< 1469059216 0 :I!?@? NICK :Guest27535 < 1469059331 0 :Guest27535!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1469059400 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1469059746 0 :janus_!~janus@unaffiliated/silent-hacker JOIN :#esoteric < 1469059797 0 :janus_!~janus@unaffiliated/silent-hacker PART #esoteric : < 1469060117 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469060429 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came up with the most efficient idea < 1469060439 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ { cat; inutility dd skip=-3 bs=1 count=0 status=none; cat; } <<< 12345678 < 1469060440 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :12345678 < 1469060442 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :78 < 1469060476 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dd can take a negative parameter for skip and it seeks backwards < 1469060506 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can move the file offset arbitrarily from a shell < 1469060521 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to fork and exec an external program first < 1469061785 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469062266 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :inutility sounds like it means "un useful ness" < 1469062281 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469062299 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like inability or inhumanity < 1469062312 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does mean that < 1469062332 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a synonym for uselessness < 1469062340 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnique: it's a real word? wow < 1469062343 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The adjectival form is inutile < 1469062384 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life's strange < 1469062598 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm great at picking names < 1469062616 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example? < 1469062623 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :inutility -_- < 1469062680 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this negative skip sounds useful! < 1469062718 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1469062744 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh it's a feature i expected gnu dd to have < 1469062749 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was disappointed < 1469062928 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469063173 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybden: it worked. 159 heads. nice job. < 1469063436 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469063537 0 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1469063664 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so I've figured out which characters I need to add so that Arabic text will look alright < 1469063784 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. tackling the whole combinarabic thing? < 1469063945 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :coily < 1469063978 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1469064018 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1469064084 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's an elisp library that could automate those name transformations for ERC :) < 1469064100 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it seems to do it automatically if I define the code points in 0xfe80 to 0xfef4 < 1469064122 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it automatically chooses the correct form contextually < 1469064153 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I currently have some missing in that block < 1469064244 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also dfound out that when I added ﬡﬢﬣﬤﬥﬦﬧﬨ to the font I didn't put them in the demo, that's been corrected < 1469064281 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ﬡ < 1469064296 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469064332 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wake up hackego! < 1469064342 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles the HackEgo < 1469064345 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1469064360 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles the HackEgo some more < 1469064361 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1469064376 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mapole me, bro < 1469064391 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ain't be mapoling lambdie. < 1469064395 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ﬡ isn't a wide character even though it should be. so I drew it as bold instead < 1469064405 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FB21 HEBREW LETTER WIDE ALEF] < 1469064412 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1469064413 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrocity//Atrocity is the capital of the Atrocious Empire. < 1469064464 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds shachafy... < 1469064470 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/atrocity < 1469064486 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 oerjan < 1469064524 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think Atrocity would just be one without any lights < 1469064528 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION accepts his wrongness < 1469064537 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you accept `cwlprits < 1469064552 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or `cuilprits < 1469064556 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf. are those welsh culprits? < 1469064569 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1469064572 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prooftechnollique. surreal culprits? < 1469064573 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coolprits < 1469064586 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have any Welsh in this chännel? Taneb? < 1469064601 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean chwnnwl? < 1469064655 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1469064825 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercahello. chŵnnŵl. < 1469064832 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is dutch hth < 1469064842 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dutchelloneb < 1469064933 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is customary to porthello Taneb in the vocative case. duchellone. < 1469064936 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ch/tch/ < 1469064978 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chﺍnnﺍl < 1469064997 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that makes no sense hth < 1469065008 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1469065029 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those clicks? < 1469065213 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should it be chﻌnnﻌl instead? < 1469065242 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or chﻌnnﻴl? < 1469065427 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chאַnnיl < 1469065493 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :צaננeל < 1469065547 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: are you aware that this a right-to-left alphabet hth < 1469065549 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :שתaננeל < 1469065587 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is painful hth < 1469065696 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :לeננaתש < 1469065734 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not how you write that sound hth < 1469065780 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :תש is T SH -> CH right? < 1469065874 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wrote shtannel hth. < 1469065956 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1469065958 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesn't make senes to write that sound that way. < 1469066020 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :לeננaכ better? < 1469066094 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, there's a letter called a chet < 1469066155 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :לeננaח < 1469066286 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second, yiddish must surely have the ch sound in it < 1469066302 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA < 1469066310 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :לeננaצ׳ < 1469066332 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is THAT how you do it? < 1469066495 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hebraization of English" < 1469066582 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, time to play Kerbal Space Program < 1469066718 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :לe׆נaצ׳ < 1469066773 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reversed nun? < 1469066803 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we need an esoteric letter < 1469066820 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net TOPIC #esoteric :The intradisciplinary hub of Hebrificational Abuse, Esoteric Magic Card design, and Font Deployment | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1469066845 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... could be better... < 1469066863 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net TOPIC #esoteric :The intradisciplinary hub of Abnormal Linguistic Hebrification, Esoteric Magic Card Design, and Font Deployment | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1469066872 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently a bunch of ׆ appear as punctuation in the bible and noone knows why < 1469066914 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they aren't reversed נ and only notches that served as points? < 1469066937 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/point/period/ < 1469067046 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they are used like brackets around certain verses < 1469067079 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: That's better. < 1469067081 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hwat that signifies about those verses noone knows < 1469067755 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :ARGHHHT < 1469067809 0 :ARGHHHT!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1469067941 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGHHT? < 1469067999 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGHHT. < 1469068008 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1469068009 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: UNDRESSED CHICKEN < 1469069082 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469069092 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469069351 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1469069437 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo JOIN :#esoteric < 1469069723 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469069732 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469070119 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469070714 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode  < 1469070786 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+E000 \ UTF-8: ee 80 80 UTF-16BE: e000 Decimal:  \  \ Category: Co (Other, Private Use) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1469070872 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the queries for HackEgo are sent to someone in china that will compute them by hand and type in the answer < 1469071025 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1469073144 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That character is displayable on my computer at least < 1469073373 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469074340 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469074731 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1469075908 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:75cf:9a95:1c70:419a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469075953 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:e94a:bd33:2c86:7262 JOIN :#esoteric < 1469075999 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1469076093 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I take it you have a ConScript font? < 1469076135 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that codepoint is assinged by CSUR as TENGWAR LETTER TINCO) < 1469076138 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This IRC window is using the ISO 10646 version of the "fixed" font; I don't know what private use assignments it uses. < 1469076224 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Chrome on Windows in the location bar it looks like a magnifying glass < 1469076254 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "fixed" font probably uses the WGL-4 assignments, which only assigns U+F001 and U+F002. < 1469076270 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... as duplicates of U+FB01 and U+FB02. < 1469076316 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/alexsuraci/status/755939218883432448 < 1469076348 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dwafzlpgzuatsljz QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1469076360 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Huh. < 1469076475 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wnklftacttqkaovs JOIN :#esoteric < 1469076526 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you copy-pasted that wrong; I don't see much that assigns U+E000. < 1469076561 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course. The PRC assigns parts of the PUA for encoding Tibetan. < 1469076613 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though Tibetan is encoded. In the BMP. < 1469076619 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the browser's DOM certainly thinks it's E000 < 1469076648 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be Twitter foobaring it < 1469077429 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469080084 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` type python python2 < 1469080101 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is /usr/bin/python \ python2 is /usr/bin/python2 < 1469080123 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python2 -c "print' ottffssennwhoiieiieoruvxvgn ere ehe e nt'[input()::9]" <<< 8 < 1469080125 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python2 -c "print' ottffssennwhoiieiieoruvxvgn ere ehe e nt'[input()::9]" <<< 4 < 1469080127 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` python2 -c "print' ottffssennwhoiieiieoruvxvgn ere ehe e nt'[input()::9]" <<< 1 < 1469080128 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eight < 1469080146 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :four < 1469080146 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one < 1469081777 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469082039 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1469082900 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode FLORAL < 1469082910 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2619 REVERSED ROTATED FLORAL HEART BULLET \ UTF-8: e2 98 99 UTF-16BE: 2619 Decimal: ☙ \ ☙ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+2766 FLORAL HEART \ UTF-8: e2 9d a6 UTF-16BE: 2766 Decimal: ❦ \ ❦ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+2767 ROTATED FLORAL HEART BULLET \ UTF- < 1469083181 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MayorMonty 5* 10New user account < 1469083658 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469084591 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469085431 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1469087240 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1469088734 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:63f1:987b:8afe:55d:74ac JOIN :#esoteric < 1469090501 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469090677 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:5154:7ced:7323:218e JOIN :#esoteric < 1469091242 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As anybody implemented the "Recording of a sobbing voice begging you to answer" ringtone? < 1469091831 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea < 1469091939 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469092203 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1469093759 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, of course. The PRC assigns parts of the PUA for encoding Tibetan. <-- what? China has it's own version of Unicode? < 1469095176 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any time someone invokes the Current Year fallacy from now on, I'm using Eternal September < 1469095256 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, it's 2016 < 1469095346 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: No, it's September 8360, 1993 < 1469095352 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1469095355 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1469096143 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:c100:63f1:987b:8afe:55d:74ac QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469096182 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Processor/114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48948&oldid=39970 5* 03TuxCrafting 5* (+175) 10Added a link to my implementation < 1469097690 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a new hobby < 1469097744 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fruitilation < 1469098752 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1469099034 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1469099279 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1469100391 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1469100648 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469100995 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469102340 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1469102645 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1469103475 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1469103493 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b JOIN :#esoteric < 1469103911 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: DOUBLE CHICKEN < 1469104135 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I had a strange idea for an M:tG card. Teferi's Hangover Cure | UUU | Enchantment - Aura | Enchant nonland permanent. / Enchanted permanent is an enchantment. < 1469104543 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think the name and cost just about fits in the name line of the frame; if it doesn't, then it instead has to be Hangover Cure and Teferi identified in the flavor text and art.) < 1469105365 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469106283 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469107615 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1469108316 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1469109153 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, that sounds useless, but I'm sure there's a way to use it to get infinite something < 1469109261 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's NOT useless. You can use it as a Pacifism, or you can use it to hasten a {T}-ability of a creature. < 1469109279 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a pinch you can also use it together with cards that care about enchantments. < 1469109293 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it like pacifism? < 1469109321 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it can enchant a creature, regardless of who controls it, and then that creature is no longer a creature, merely an enchantment, so it can't attack or block, < 1469109363 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't say enchanted permanent isn't any other type of permanent < 1469109391 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also doesn't have a p/t or creature types, is removed from combat if it was combat and you happen to attach the Cure at instant speed, many auras and equipment fall off the creature because they can't enchant non-creatures. < 1469109421 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it should say "Enchanted permanent is an enchantment and no other type of permanent" < 1469109450 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's the default. A type-changing effect overwrites all types (but not subtypes) unless it says "is an artifact creature" or "in addition to its other types". You could add a reminder like "(It is no longer a creature, planeswalker, or artifact.)" < 1469109463 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1469109504 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry about the confusion < 1469109583 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Teferi's Hangover Cure does more, because you can also attach it to your planeswalker, which protects it from getting attacked, and I think also protects that planeswalker from dying if the last loyalty counter is removed, such as with a planeswalker down arrow ability. < 1469109614 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, how do you turn it back into a planeswalker? < 1469109616 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Further, you can attach it to an equipment to turn it to non-equipment. < 1469109631 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you need to otherwise you just permanently disabled your planeswalker < 1469109651 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you didn't disable it, because the activated abilities still work < 1469109660 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also are planeswalkers permanents? They act like players < 1469109663 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can Disenchant the cure if you really have to disable it < 1469109679 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are permanents, and they don't really act like players, except in a very few minor ways < 1469109915 0 :carado!~carado@savhon.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1469109922 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469110218 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1469110584 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1469110668 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1469110896 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternate universe: what if Magic the Gathering had made it to the video games market < 1469110907 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just before Pokémon did < 1469111043 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Pokémon would still be popular because it appeals to young children more than Magic does; but I'm not sure how much, given that practically all of my friends were playing magic when I entered middle school (so around age 10 or 11) < 1469111070 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's the logistic problem that Nintendo kinda had a monopoly with the game boy < 1469111156 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1469111160 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa JOIN :#esoteric < 1469111390 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1469111782 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKoen: in the form M:tG had, I don't think it could have easily work as a video game, especially not on such hardware as the Game Boy < 1469111838 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, of course there's some adaptation to be done, but is it that bad? < 1469111855 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Pokémon adapted it the other way around (video game to cards) though I'm not sure about that < 1469111883 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and what's wrong with the game boy?) < 1469111926 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :too little RAM, not very powerful video card < 1469111943 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need a powerful video card for a turn-based game? < 1469112019 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKoen: you need a powerful video card to show card art, especially multiple cards at the same time, selected in any way, because I don't think you have enough power to dynamically build tilesets in RAM, and you can't have a large enough tileset in ROM to show any reasonable selection of cards; < 1469112036 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the display has very low resolution so you won't be able to show much card names or text at the same time < 1469112045 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be almost impossible to play that way < 1469112058 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a video game, not a card game < 1469112064 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you just show one line per card, on a text-based interface, you can't fit much info on the screen < 1469112083 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can show creature's sprites, and a list of possible actions < 1469112086 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean a video game? that would have nothing to do with M:tG, especially not in its original 6-minute card game form < 1469112123 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be almost unrecognizable, except maybe from some heros like the Legacy, Karn, Urza, Yawgmoth, whatever appearing in both as characters < 1469112135 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the game would have no relation to what we know now as early M:tG < 1469112144 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why could Pokémon have both a successful card game and a successful video game, if Magic couldn't? < 1469112151 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1469112163 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because Magic was designed as a short card game < 1469112181 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after WotC figured out how trading duel card games should work, they could turn ANY fiction to a card game < 1469112204 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what WotC means) < 1469112209 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you have a Star Wars tcg, a Warcraft tcg, a Pokemon tcg, a Lord of the Rings tcg (some of those not by the WotC) < 1469112234 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :WotC is abbreviation for "Wizards of the Coast", the company that publishes M:tG and also Pokemon tcg and Yu Gi Oh iirc < 1469112238 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wizards of the Coast < 1469112241 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1469112246 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1469112258 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Pokemon TCG was transferred to someone else < 1469112276 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: dunno < 1469112289 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm not surprised that there can be a trading card game of anything. there can also be a video game after any movie; a monopoly board game; a risk board game; a lego set... < 1469112312 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean the video game or the trading card game is going to be good < 1469112349 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wrong, they aren't the ones publishing the Yu Gi Oh tcg < 1469112374 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is considering trying the Pokemon TCG online < 1469112376 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've published M:tG, created Pokemon tcg and the Star Wars tcg < 1469112387 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that M:tG was the *first* trading card game < 1469112394 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there had been card games and trading cards before that < 1469112397 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1469112401 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but M:tG was the first that combined them < 1469112428 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I've noticed that a lot of fantasy films have been adapted in turn-based video games, with a boring narrative and not-so-interesting fight mechanics < 1469112448 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is both why it's so influential to other TCG, and why it's so popular and long-lived despite that it has made lots of bad decisions in early times, many of which are still present as historical reasons problems < 1469112475 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKoen: hehe < 1469112491 0 :Guest27535!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1469112567 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bad decisions? As in bad rules, or other things? < 1469112582 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, after that, lots of other companies made TCGs, including the above mentioned Yu Gi Oh TCG, The Lord of the Rings TCG, World of Warcraft TCG, My Little Pony CCG, and lots more < 1469112586 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This art's kind of pretty http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:DoubleColorlessEnergyBaseSet96.jpg < 1469112596 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Un- lands are prettier though < 1469112611 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: bad rules, bad cards, bad composition of boosters and other distribution problems < 1469112618 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO! the un-lands are UGLY < 1469112624 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/unhinged/forest-full-art < 1469112640 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I just checked, Unglued lands are ugly, unhinged.... < 1469112663 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok wait < 1469112668 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Unglued lands are ugly < 1469112675 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Unhinged lands are ok < 1469112717 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I saw the Unglued basic lands a lot because they're so ugly they're cheap, and didn't see the Unhigned basic lands much < 1469112833 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Grass_Energy_(TCG) these are... pretty but boring, if that makes sense < 1469112853 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for that "EX Holon Phantoms" print, that's kind of ugly < 1469112872 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think M:tG, Yu Gi Oh, and the Pokemon TCG are the only really popular tcgs < 1469112912 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mlp < 1469113133 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Rainbow_Energy_(Team_Rocket_17)#Gallery wow, the update makes more sense but removes some of the artiness < 1469113144 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the heartgold & soulsilver one looks like a timid attempt to make it a forest instead of just a leaf symbol < 1469113154 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the next print they went "nope" < 1469113233 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1469113554 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1469113618 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469113740 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1469113845 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1469113871 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1469113978 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKoen: I see a Who's That Pokemon! It's Celebi! < 1469114004 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Celebi silhouette in the art < 1469114021 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1469114076 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other energy cards in that set seem to also have a pokemon silhouette < 1469114108 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember Celebi as the "tease" Pokémon. there were a lot of hints about him in that forest in the generation 2 games, and in the gamecube game, and in the anime they carried the GS balls for like a hundred episodes < 1469114117 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact, no Celebi!! < 1469114195 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :celebi was given out at events or something < 1469114279 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, so was mew in the first generation, but there was no lying hint in the first games that mew was there somewhere < 1469114322 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the rumors weren't lies, you could cook up a mew with several glitches < 1469114350 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall an NPC in the forest saying "this is the autel that belongs to the divinity that guards the forest. if you stand there long enough it will appear to you" or something < 1469114389 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes mew was easy to get, I don't know if that was intentional or not < 1469114443 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a glitch with the link cord in the first games that allowed to clone pokemon in an exchange; somehow this glitch made its way to all subsequent games, in similar places < 1469114461 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it was so obvious where the glitch would be, I'm pretty convinced it's intentional < 1469114641 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1469114797 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : well, so was mew in the first generation, but there was no lying hint in the first games that mew was there somewhere ← I think that was because AFAIK they snuck Mew into some remaining free space on the ROM at the very end, so it hadn't really been intended as a part of the game during development < 1469114820 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas with the 2nd gen games they probably knew from the start that they wanted a similar event-only pokemon at the very end, and designed around that < 1469114874 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :overselling 101 < 1469114922 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your explanation makes a lot of sense, but it was still a huge disappointment < 1469115052 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1469115178 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo JOIN :#esoteric < 1469118987 0 :carado!~carado@2a01:e34:ec1e:2390:8341:b3f5:2d6:41fa QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1469119077 0 :carado!~carado@savhon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1469119718 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, a Donate (almost) for 2R. Why would they print such a thing? < 1469120793 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469120846 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, found it; "Harmless Offering" < 1469120906 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that, yes. < 1469120910 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a picture of a cute cat < 1469120914 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1469120955 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, Bazaar Trader at least have the sensibility that it can't donate an ordinary enchantment. < 1469120965 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the permanents you'd want to donate to an opponent are enchantments. < 1469120992 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most popular is of course Illusions of Grandeur, but there are lots of othres < 1469121052 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, instead of a cat, you could give them a blood moon < 1469121075 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1469121141 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: why would you want that? Blood Moon works just as well no matter who owns it < 1469121191 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up blood moon < 1469121196 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1469121227 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :give them a Null Profusion and make them discard their hand < 1469121236 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, too expensive < 1469121243 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to win before that < 1469121252 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1469121294 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comments on Donate suggest giving them a Steel Golem < 1469121306 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469121312 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... interesting < 1469121337 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1469121361 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or things with cumulative upkeeps < 1469121396 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, they can always just sacrifice those next upkeep < 1469121420 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notion Thief < 1469121445 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you control Consecrated Sphinx too) < 1469121449 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some people used Abyssal Persecutor together with Bazaar Trader < 1469121647 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever opponent draws a card, you may force opponent to draw two more cards. < 1469121812 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone suggested a hivestone < 1469121835 0 :hydraz!?@? NICK :hydrez < 1469121857 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you donate it to the other team member in a two on two < 1469121938 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the red donate they printed doesn't do that < 1469121953 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH! Plague Sliver, Hivestone < 1469121975 0 :hydrez!?@? NICK :hydraz < 1469121980 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such troll < 1469121990 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much gritting of teeth < 1469122011 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that's sort of complicated. for a three-card combo you probably can't pull off before turn 4, I'd expect more than just a couple of damage per turn < 1469122034 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but funny < 1469122085 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it funnier to just Artificial Evolution the Plague Sliver? < 1469122144 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1469122668 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you would need is my own custom card called "Urza's Safety Glasses", to protect yourself against such damage. < 1469123320 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469124083 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1469124221 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469124434 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1469124487 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1469126418 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1469126718 0 :^v!~v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1469127815 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1469127840 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1469128438 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1469129647 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469130080 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1469130424 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1469130431 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1469130464 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1469130634 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@cor91-7-83-156-198-158.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469130879 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1469130888 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1469132219 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469132673 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1469133255 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a script that formalizes the tgz repository system < 1469133345 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tgz repository consists of two files: a .tgz file containing the versions, and a .stamp file containing the timestamp of the most recent version. < 1469133437 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the command $ tgzr start foo.c creates the files foo.c.tgz and foo.c.stamp < 1469133472 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can save the current version with tgzr save foo.c < 1469133536 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can go back to an earlier version with tgzr load foo.c [timestamp] < 1469133549 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1469133643 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tgzr list foo.c lists valid timestamps < 1469133663 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... do you know rcs? < 1469133759 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all the functionality I've implemented < 1469133776 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1469133831 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can of course use the exact same commands to save an entire directory, say Xproject/, with tgzr save Xproject < 1469133982 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: rcs uses diffs, something I find unnecessary. < 1469133994 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use git then < 1469133996 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stores an entire copy of each version < 1469134015 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN ANY CASE... I will not be dragged into this discussion AGAIN. < 1469134021 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should learn how git works. < 1469134032 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd take about half an hour. < 1469134052 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: people have told me that but it isn't rue < 1469134086 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :git is probably complicated enough for a half credit course on how it works < 1469134090 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean learn how it works, not all the command line options and all that. < 1469134115 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that < 1469134137 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one knows all those things. < 1469134138 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't. < 1469134171 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you know what a repository state is and how to look at it, then you can figure out how to get to the state you want pretty easily. < 1469134176 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy tree structures < 1469134208 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A git repository is very similar to a bunch of .tar.gz files like you want. < 1469134253 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "commit" contains a "tree" (i.e. the repository contents) and some metadata. < 1469134306 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can go to any commit with "git checkout [commit id]" < 1469134385 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can name a commit by making a file that contains a commit id (that's called a "branch"). < 1469134415 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I should prably store the .stamp file inside the .tgz file < 1469134424 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A commit can point to a parent, so you can look at the history that way by following commit ids. < 1469134431 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much all there is to it. < 1469134472 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469134476 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a more straightforward model than a bunch of .tar.gz files. < 1469134503 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphs of objects are a powerful abstraction < 1469134506 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not "a bunch" one .tgz file stores the entire repository < 1469134523 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1469134603 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like you're describing a git repository with some useful features removed. < 1469134625 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some useful features, like a simple interface, added < 1469134638 0 :hppavilion[2]!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1469134646 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: if you're interested creating new inventions, i've heard the wheel, mousetraps, and the abstract concept of looking up things in lists are all ideas whose time has come, if someone is willing to develop them < 1469134689 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I already invented the wheel < 1469134714 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I developed it based on the paper plate < 1469134771 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I should also add the ability to delete a version from the repository < 1469134785 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: whats a plate? < 1469134855 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: in Canada, at barbeques, hamburgers are served on cardboard circles with flared edges < 1469134953 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are typically enjoyed with fries soaked in vinegar < 1469134960 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1469135086 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FOSCode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48949&oldid=48946 5* 03Darkrifts 5* (+86) 10/* Use */ < 1469135145 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trigger warning for concarnitarians. ending in 5 minutes at most) < 1469135204 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1469135234 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: isnt the whole point of hamburgers that they are meat served on circles of bread, which not only support all the toppings and absorb the juices, but also get automatically cleaned up by being eaten? < 1469135332 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FOSCode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48951&oldid=48949 5* 03Darkrifts 5* (-4) 10/* Use */ < 1469135388 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hamburger is in a completely separate catrgory from barbecue < 1469135626 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1469135846 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but you need the paper circles to hold the hamburger and the accompanying fries in one place. < 1469136009 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait since when is -r an invalid iption for mv < 1469136076 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really move a directory without moving its contents as well < 1469136120 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FOS-X14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=48952 5* 03Darkrifts 5* (+708) 10Created page with "This is a standard for compiling code for being read by the FOS system by ~~~. This standard is being developed to allow for people to design their own compilers for other lan..." < 1469136358 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it would be hilarious though < 1469136384 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv fooproject newproject/foo < 1469136406 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wait, why are the foo project files in my home directory now?" < 1469136436 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You didn't use the -r option to mv, so they fell out." < 1469136776 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that begs the question why is -r a valid option for cp? < 1469136796 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that matter rm? < 1469137013 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all they do is, they refuse to copy or delete a directory normally until they get their -r biscuit^H^H^H^H option < 1469137100 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :disk space is scarce, so cp -r makes sense, and you might want to keep all your files even if you typo a file name... so it's good for damage control < 1469137116 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there is the fact that rmdir and mkdir exist but not cpdir, mvdir, or a mk command < 1469137122 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :an mv operation (within the same fs) is lossless and doesn't cost disk space < 1469137158 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias mk touch < 1469137158 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (length [1..]) > 6 < 1469137162 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1469137171 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1469137177 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course *you* would create directories by using cp / foo without -r. < 1469137241 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: isn't it some other language that does proof analysis on its code, not haskell? < 1469137287 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FOS-X14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48953&oldid=48952 5* 03Darkrifts 5* (+1120) 10/* Documentation */ < 1469137369 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ([1..].length) > 6 < 1469137370 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘Int -> c0’ < 1469137370 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[Integer]’ < 1469137370 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of ‘(.)’, namely ‘[1 .. ]’ < 1469137372 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: there are lazy nats somewhere, which allow you to do things like genericLength [1..] > (6 :: ) < 1469137408 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently haskell isn't object oriented < 1469137419 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately < 1469137426 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1469137549 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (&) < 1469137550 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> (a -> b) -> b < 1469137579 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FOS-X14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48954&oldid=48953 5* 03Darkrifts 5* (+115) 10/* Documentation */ < 1469137580 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ([1..]&length) > 6 < 1469137584 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1469137619 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FOS-X14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48956&oldid=48954 5* 03Darkrifts 5* (-352) 10/* Documentation */ < 1469137670 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\x y -> x | y) (map (\x -> x > 6) [1..]) < 1469137672 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:18: parse error on input ‘|’ < 1469137678 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\x y -> x or y) (map (\x -> x > 6) [1..]) < 1469137680 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Typeable t0) < 1469137680 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (maybe you haven't applied enough arguments to a function?) < 1469137680 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘show_M180418725283436766211592’ < 1469137689 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\x y -> x || y) (map (\x -> x > 6) [1..]) < 1469137691 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘Bool’ with actual type ‘[Bool]’ < 1469137691 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the second argument of ‘foldr’, namely < 1469137691 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘(map (\ x -> x > 6) [1 .. ])’ < 1469137720 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldr < 1469137721 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foldable t => (a -> b -> b) -> b -> t a -> b < 1469137730 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a starting value (second argument) < 1469137748 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src or < 1469137748 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :or = foldr (||) False < 1469137749 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\x y -> x || y) False (map (\x -> x > 6) [1..]) < 1469137750 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1469137760 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go! < 1469137770 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src any < 1469137770 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :any p = or . map p < 1469137780 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> any (> 6) [1..] < 1469137781 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07FOS-X14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=48957&oldid=48956 5* 03Darkrifts 5* (+275) 10 < 1469137781 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1469137790 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it figured out somehow that doing any more entries was useless < 1469138568 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:383e:4b61:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1469138858 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1469139363 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:383e:4b61:de85:deff:fe55:967a QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1469139506 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.5 < 1469139520 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1469139599 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1469139621 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1469139780 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:383e:4b61:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1469139858 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469139890 0 :zuiss1!~zuiss1@unaffiliated/zuiss1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1469140137 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1469140674 0 :Guest27535!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1469141328 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the git article that someone in here linked the other day? < 1469141334 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think \oren\ refused to read it that time, too. < 1469141405 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1469141490 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:1811:d22:cc00:5154:7ced:7323:218e QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1469141773 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"datums" < 1469141950 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I linked to http://eagain.net/articles/git-for-computer-scientists/ and http://nyuccl.org/pages/gittutorial/ ... is it one of those? < 1469142036 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1469142067 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What changes would you make to git to make it possible to check out a subdirectory of a repository in a reasonable way? < 1469142331 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1469142503 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need a more elaborate send-pack/receive-pack pair, I think, one that is based on more information than just refs (commit objects). (https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Internals-Transfer-Protocols gives a glimpse into that protocol) < 1469142543 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively you could just re-record the commit objects for a subdirectory < 1469142643 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, imagine you could lazily load hash values as necessary. That seems like it could be doable, even if it would require changes to the protocol. < 1469142669 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still the issue that commits are global, so you'd need the entire commit history for a repository to `git log` a subdirectory. < 1469142676 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that should be easy: Take each commit but replace the tree reference to a subdirectory and the parent references (since the commit ids will be different)... < 1469142684 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not what you can really do about that. < 1469142705 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oh, but then what happens when you want to push a changed version? < 1469142729 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing pretty < 1469142746 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking you would just be checking out the whole repository, but not downloading the contents for the directories you aren't using. < 1469142756 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like that much ought to be pretty straightforward. < 1469142841 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469142847 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't say that you want commits as well. in any case I was just thinking about what one could do without changing the send/receive protocol. < 1469142886 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I want is to be able to use git for a giant repository. < 1469142937 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, a couple billion lines of code, and tens of thousands of developers. Just to arbitrarily choose some numbers. < 1469142945 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not git but something git-like. What sorts of changes would you need to make to how it works? < 1469142953 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, just add a subdirectory command to the protocol :P < 1469142968 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be that hard.... *runs* < 1469142976 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a question of the protocol. < 1469143006 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you suggesting that when you clone a subdirectory, the server rewrites the entire commit history for that subdirectory to make it convenient for the client? < 1469143019 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1469143043 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't agree, it's very much a question of the protocol. < 1469143061 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. OK. It's a question of the protocol, among other things. < 1469143150 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway there are other issues, like rename tracking. < 1469143187 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, there's more. But the plumbing is there... you can read a commit, look at the tree, find the subdirectory you're interested in, then checkout that tree object. < 1469143231 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1469143251 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1469143253 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :To my mind the missing thing on the plumbing side is the selective transfer. The rest is porcellain... still tedious to write for sure. < 1469143263 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now how do you look at the commit history on that subdirectory? < 1469143311 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I imagine it you will have all the commit objects anyway... < 1469143325 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1469143347 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that makes for a pretty long commit history. < 1469143350 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and git log already supports selecting commits affecting certain paths. < 1469143372 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1469143397 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg stores log information per file or directory, I think. < 1469143400 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls .hg < 1469143427 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00changelog.i \ branch \ branchheads.cache \ cache \ dirstate \ last-message.txt \ requires \ store \ tags.cache \ undo.bookmarks \ undo.branch \ undo.desc \ undo.dirstate < 1469143444 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find .hg | grep canary < 1469143465 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.hg/store/data/looptest/canary.i \ .hg/store/data/canary.orig \ .hg/store/data/canary.orig/canary.i \ .hg/store/data/canary.orig.i \ .hg/store/data/temp-canary.i \ .hg/store/data/canary.i \ .hg/store/data/wisdom/canary.i \ .hg/store/data/canary \ .hg/store/data/canary/test.i \ .hg/store/data/canary/hmm.i \ .hg/store/data/canary/canary.i < 1469143497 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do those store log history or something else? I don't remember, if I ever knew. < 1469143503 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg also tracks renames explicitly. < 1469143514 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe these sorts of reasons have to do with why Facebook chose hg instead of git. < 1469143591 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la .hg/store/00* < 1469143596 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 1402355 Jul 19 01:06 .hg/store/00changelog.d \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 564864 Jul 19 01:06 .hg/store/00changelog.i \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 1370860 Jul 19 01:06 .hg/store/00manifest.d \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 564032 Jul 19 01:06 .hg/store/00manifest.i < 1469143671 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chose fossil instead of hg or git < 1469143760 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would be astonished if you chose a mainstream version control system. < 1469143798 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://hgbook.red-bean.com/read/behind-the-scenes.html ... so perhaps you won't win very much, unless you find ways to divide the 00changelog and 00manifest things into smaller pieces. < 1469143832 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("win much" is in comparison to doing the same with git) < 1469143947 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw I actually dislike the fact that mercurial replicates file names in its storage... < 1469143951 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I met Bryan once and he told me that hg was better suited to this sort of thing than git. < 1469144040 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can see that it's better suited to work over plain HTTP. So the whole protocol issue won't come up at all. < 1469144131 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1469144136 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in any case, the problem of fetching metadata of all those commits that happen elsewhere is not solved by hg. < 1469144157 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not without investing extra work) < 1469144163 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1469144223 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was solved by CVS ;-) < 1469144241 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides behind a bush. < 1469144257 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1469144275 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facebook uses svn on the server and hg on the client, I hear. < 1469144477 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, true, SVN should actually be good at the partial checkout thing... but not with history? I know nothing about its internals. < 1469144560 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All I really know is that git-svn is abysmally slow, but I don't know whether it's git-svn or svn itself that's being stupid there) < 1469144619 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I bring up git-svn because that's the tool I use to clone an svn repo including history. < 1469144625 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow they're still talking about vcs < 1469144686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In svn you just ask the server for history, right? < 1469145074 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, this is elaborate... https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/trunk/subversion/libsvn_ra_svn/protocol < 1469145158 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.duelist101.com/other-w101-guides/w101-spell-guides/wizard101-new-level-110-astral-spells/ OOOOOOHH after like 5 years we finally get a +300 enchantment < 1469145257 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: git doesn't track renames?? < 1469145265 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems pretty crappy < 1469145273 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It detects renames. < 1469145347 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I remember reading somewhere that git doesn't include the author as part of the commit ID (the hash of it), which means two people can do the same change and they get the same hash, but with different authors listed < 1469145352 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also seems stupid < 1469145366 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the commit message *may* need to be the same for that to happen, I don't remember < 1469145396 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The author is part of the commit. < 1469145404 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the details, just that some part of the meta data of the commit was not part of the hash < 1469145407 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm, okay < 1469145413 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. you hash the author, committer, directory, etc. to get a commit hash. < 1469145432 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would hope so < 1469145552 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1469145558 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time Vorpal