< 1466899388 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3814:a30c:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1466899666 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3814:a30c:de85:deff:fe55:967a QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1466900131 0 :dos!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1466901391 0 :earendel2!~earendel@xdsl-85-197-49-14.netcologne.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1466901548 0 :earendel2!~earendel@xdsl-85-197-49-14.netcologne.de PART #esoteric : < 1466901551 0 :earendel2!~earendel@xdsl-85-197-49-14.netcologne.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1466901595 0 :earendel2!~earendel@xdsl-85-197-49-14.netcologne.de PART #esoteric : < 1466901598 0 :earendel2!~earendel@xdsl-85-197-49-14.netcologne.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1466901606 0 :earendel2!~earendel@xdsl-85-197-49-14.netcologne.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1466902295 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1466902712 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466902809 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goily utc midnight < 1466902852 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahbingadonça. < 1466902890 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terjane õhtust. < 1466902942 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAA < 1466902999 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn i should have said my guess before googling < 1466903014 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(estonian) < 1466903051 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(«ahbingadonça» → «ah bien regarde donc ça» → “oh, would you look at that”) < 1466903076 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. french written in the proper polysynthetic spelling < 1466903088 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ding*(õ) < 1466903178 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/'äbɛ̃gædɔ̃sɑ/ < 1466903228 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, trying to learn how to pronounce Korean correctly. < 1466903236 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.academia.edu/2000636/Grammaticalization_of_polysynthesis_with_special_reference_to_Spoken_French_ < 1466903258 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the most part, it's quite manageable, but then you trip up on arythmic consonant cluster that fungot you up your way through a word. < 1466903271 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh, shiny! < 1466903434 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was the first google hit for french polysynthesis) < 1466903569 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course that's a pretty disputed theory) < 1466903764 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that "article" reads like notes taken during a class. < 1466903818 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that the argument that French is polysynthetic is valid. < 1466903830 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sad trombone* < 1466903842 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just spoken québécois then? < 1466903885 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be the case. < 1466903917 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :verb groups tend to suffer from the greatest mangulation. < 1466903946 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“he was holding her” → «yatnè» < 1466903967 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, this is extremely colloquial and must be taken with an artery-clogging grain of salt.) < 1466904045 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1466904053 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1466904069 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hetalloin. < 1466904143 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good evetaoining < 1466904205 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're here :D < 1466904211 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just pm'd you haha < 1466904216 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one example from wikipédia that, with some creativity, supports French polysynthesis: “she opened the door for him again” → «ayarouveraporte» < 1466904387 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@184.63.248.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1466904443 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1466904453 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goes the drinking < 1466904479 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonight is dry. < 1466904524 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing? like...until it's over? < 1466904571 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? I'm just not imbibing any alcohol today. < 1466904590 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1466904692 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well back to the party < 1466904703 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have woke up with a fiery headache... < 1466904710 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes quintopia in the party bits :D
< 1466904755 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know why I can't get drunk? since we're talking about drinking < 1466904956 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1466904986 0 :augur!~augur@208-90-212-15.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1466904993 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pidgin//The pidgin hole principle states that if n+1 messages are sent over n protocols, then at least two messages are sent over the same protocol. < 1466905018 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/pidgin < 1466905041 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e int-e int-e int-e < 1466905063 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: because you shouldn't aim for that hth < 1466905066 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1466905085 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Why not the usual meaning of "pidgin"? < 1466905097 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't aim for it, just a thing I noticed < 1466905117 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1466905120 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bezout's theorem//Bézout's theorem says that if a system of polynomial equations over the complexes has as many variables as equations, then in the general case the number of solutions it has is equal to the product of one less than the degrees of the polynomials. < 1466905127 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/beout's theorem < 1466905134 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1466905137 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: well, drink responsibly and eat lots of poutine to soak up excesses! < 1466905142 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/bezout's theorem < 1466905154 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas < 1466905188 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What's wisdomy about that? < 1466905195 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classic b_jonas entry. < 1466905205 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wisdom of a wisdom is its own wisdom. < 1466905218 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: have you ever poutined? < 1466905263 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1466905305 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poutine: French fries, cheese curds, poutine gravy. < 1466905331 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they French fries even in Canada? < 1466905404 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... good question... < 1466905406 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I have eaten them but what does that have to do with getting smashed < 1466905431 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect post-night-out meal. it magically tastes better at 3am. < 1466905454 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Is that why the local poutine place closes at 4? < 1466905468 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately the vegetarian poutine I've had was kind of scow. < 1466905470 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scowtine < 1466905488 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing the québécois will call their language french long after it's mutually unintelligible with the metropolitans < 1466905540 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the most well-known place is 24/7. < 1466905560 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :our French is Frencher than their French, bon! < 1466905563 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only place I know here is Smoke's poutinerie. < 1466905591 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you pronounce croissant the french or english way? < 1466905604 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :French. < 1466905619 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to go to a bakery and overpronounce the shit out of "croissant" < 1466905626 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kroasang < 1466905637 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of corissant < 1466905639 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1466905640 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of corissant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1466905642 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of corissant < 1466905643 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of corissant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1466905645 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1466905653 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll blame my fingers here < 1466905654 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant < 1466905656 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1466905669 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're like, ruining the joke tdnh < 1466905674 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any english people not in the eu here? < 1466905676 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i know :'( < 1466905693 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: please precise "English". < 1466905701 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from england < 1466905707 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Engs? < 1466905709 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would cause hexchat to take >1GB ram? < 1466905712 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( slightly tempted to add a noodly special case for that one now ) < 1466905727 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: All programs take >1GB RAM now. < 1466905731 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just how software is written. < 1466905735 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why you should get drunk? In general is bad idea and my recommendation is to don't get drunk < 1466905739 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eclipse is the New Emacs. < 1466905742 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single Google+ tab in my browser takes >1GB RAM. < 1466905751 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your program doesn't take >1gb ram it's either not made in java or it's a toy program < 1466905753 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why is it bad idea? < 1466905755 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp* someone uses google+! < 1466905759 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cwasaw < 1466905786 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles \oren\. "you're Canadian. you should know better! you bring disgrace to our families and ancestors!"
< 1466905788 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Well, I try not to. < 1466905792 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I went to the bakery and got a delicious chocolate cwasaw < 1466905808 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :koason < 1466905812 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! < 1466905821 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kyoso < 1466905824 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wildly mapoles random miscroissanters
< 1466905840 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O Canada! Our home and native land! True patriot love in all thy sons command. With glowing hearts we see thee rise, The True North strong and free! From far and wide, O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. God keep our land glorious and free! O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. < 1466905856 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read that in French the words are different < 1466905875 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Some people get drunk because they enjoy it. < 1466905882 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> what would cause hexchat to take >1GB ram? <-- is it actually used or just virtually allocated? some programs have started allocating massive address space from the start (see: most recent GHC) < 1466905885 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what they are, but apparently they involve more Christianity and more swords) < 1466905887 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why do you want them to deny themselves the pleasure of being drunk? < 1466905894 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ô Canada! Terre de nos aïeux! Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux! ♪ < 1466905896 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you speak French? < 1466905918 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't speak French, I just read in the news that the French Canadian anthem is different < 1466905918 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway the Russian anthem is the best one. < 1466905924 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you might as well scrap the rest. < 1466905927 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you should get properly drunk _once_, so you know to avoid it. ) < 1466905939 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I thought you were Canadian? < 1466905942 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It is recommendation not to get drunk, it is not a requirement < 1466905943 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ee say portay la kwa < 1466905959 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I am Canadian but I am not very good at French. < 1466905975 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I genuinely cannot get drunk tho < 1466905983 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how much I drink < 1466905996 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If I was working in government, I would try to learn French better so that I can know both English and French, but I do not work in the government and do not intend to.) < 1466905997 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get alcohol poisoning and die? < 1466906014 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that counts as getting absolutely smashed < 1466906017 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: pretty much so, yes. < 1466906020 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you work outside government? < 1466906042 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think? < 1466906056 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought not, but I didn't know. < 1466906103 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not write the answer < 1466906113 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not worthy of an answer < 1466906143 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Anyway the Russian anthem is the best one. <-- i dunno i have a weak spot for the german one too. < 1466906188 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the swedish anthem basically abba? < 1466906191 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or young lean? < 1466906240 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: no, although the swedish anthem is also nice. < 1466906256 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's honestly kind of disappointing < 1466906281 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine at the start of every football game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFrGuyw1V8s < 1466906342 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ4rpH4wLMQ that author comment is _so_ swedish (you can imagine what happened in the comments before he closed them) < 1466906379 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zlatan singing "dancing queen only seventeen" < 1466906390 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Please grasp that I'm not racist, I'm communist" < 1466906392 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1466906421 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :communism isn't half bad honestly < 1466906428 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are though < 1466906438 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, in sweden you cannot upload the national anthem to youtube without being accused of racism < 1466906457 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is norwegian not swedish btw
< 1466906460 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been reading a few capitalism propaganda books. < 1466906463 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the picture of the most commonly learned language in europe on duolingo? < 1466906478 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capitalism is TG. < 1466906481 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most are english/german < 1466906484 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's also a mess. < 1466906488 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in sweden it's swedish < 1466906504 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: ha < 1466906544 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that even with all the immigrants, swedish would beat english as second language there... < 1466906575 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it was official or a meme sadly < 1466906580 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming that _everyone_ learns english, like in other nordic countries) < 1466906596 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows english in sweden is the stereotype < 1466906615 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a person called Alcest in the chat, you like the band or just the word? < 1466906623 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466906636 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it random or is it the band < 1466906639 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a great band < 1466906671 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It should work if your browser supports HTML" --Me < 1466906706 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something you'd say condescendingly to someone being stupid tbh < 1466906733 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: I said it to someone whose computer refuses to install Flash (It's a linux box, so it's not like they're just a massive idiot) < 1466906751 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think Alcest is physically present now. e doesn't speak much, anyway. < 1466906784 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of lurkers here. < 1466906840 0 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1466906865 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure flash only uses html? pretty sure a browser/os have to support flash for it to work < 1466906875 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but getting flash to work on linux can get weird < 1466906929 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume hppavilion[1] meant the page doesn't need flash < 1466906999 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I understood it as saying flash should work if the browser supports HTML < 1466907023 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think hppavilion[1] is that cluecless. < 1466907047 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hppavilion[1] < 1466907050 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: Yeah, no < 1466907050 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] se describe en las notas al pie. ¿Porqué no los dos? Nadie lo sabe. < 1466907068 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¯\_(ツ)_/¯ < 1466907087 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now I get it ! < 1466907088 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1466907099 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boy I'm slow < 1466907113 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append hppavilion[1] No es tan cluecless. < 1466907122 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'hppavilion[1]': hppavilion[1] se describe en las notas al pie. ¿Porqué no los dos? Nadie lo sabe. No es tan cluecless. < 1466907162 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day, we'll harpoon a South American, keep them in the chännel, grow them, and make them correct the Spanish bits of the Great Wisdom. < 1466907240 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a bot that translates a given string into brainfuck code that prints it? < 1466907250 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be.. useful? < 1466907255 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: Not a bot IIRC, but there are some sites < 1466907262 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: Wait, I think fungot might have a command for that < 1466907262 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i think it refers to _code_, not of syntax for people that work on every rfc-compliant ircds < 1466907264 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1466907264 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1466907277 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: And they'll be able to explain to other south americans that we aren't here to explain canaima < 1466907294 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^texttobf < 1466907343 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The de-facto standard is "bf_textgen" (or various names like that), a genetic programming dealie. < 1466907351 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be installed in EgoBot, but of course that is no more. < 1466907355 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be in the port. < 1466907358 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not :( < 1466907392 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I always try to derive meaning from fungot? We all know fungot never says anything of meaning; that'd give fnem away < 1466907393 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you made him sad! :p. ugh i need to install < 1466907405 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wow, that was scary < 1466907423 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is tg < 1466907423 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i was thinking he was framed in frantic too. of course, the even worse thing about the course is to allow fnord to work with cygwin. < 1466907425 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: don't encourage fungot hth < 1466907425 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how can you expect, " freestanding" means that the language only. ah well < 1466907435 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first statement sounded like Etaoin and the second sounded like the person I'm actively talking to who doesn't have flash < 1466907435 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf_textgen walrus < 1466907439 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/bf_textgen: not found < 1466907447 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, right, the name was different. < 1466907449 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf_txtgen walrus < 1466907458 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: "freestanding" means the language only? Very true. < 1466907458 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: except for using os x? meaning via mouse? use a keyboard :p. < 1466907465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree completely. < 1466907471 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :72 ++++++++++++[>++++++++++>++++++++>+++++++++><<<<-]>-.>+.>.++++++.+++.--. [423] < 1466907479 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++++[>++++++++++>++++++++>+++++++++><<<<-]>-.>+.>.++++++.+++.--. < 1466907479 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :walrus < 1466907484 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go. < 1466907491 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it wasn't *that* slow when installed in EgoBot. < 1466907508 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1466907513 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B O O M < 1466907516 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Seriously, you didn't give fungot the input as a parameter, did you? < 1466907516 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: a srfi can't specify a violation of privacy.). can someone spoon-feed me the require line above just installed in /.plt-scheme/ planet/ < 1466907527 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why is HackEgo so slow tdnh < 1466907532 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also far from optimal. As you can maybe tell from "><" already. < 1466907547 0 :augur!~augur@208-90-212-15.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466907549 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ties fungot and HackEgo together to see what will happen
< 1466907549 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: quite the contrary: undefined operations add a little bit. < 1466907552 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why don't we just pipe it through a s/<>// filter? < 1466907563 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, interbot undefined operations baby... < 1466907575 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Because it would be such a minor win. < 1466907577 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that /could/ mess up when <> is the first occurence of > in the program < 1466907597 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on how the interpreter works- whether it just ignores < at the home position < 1466907600 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant s/>. < 1466907629 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, that too, but I accidentally typed <> first and didn't feel like reaching /all the way/ to my backspace key < 1466907631 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a very strict format for the program it generates. < 1466907634 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But anyway < 1466907638 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to get fungot to say fungot? < 1466907638 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: yes. it parses it into an interpreter session and type ( load " foo.scm") doesn't seem to be baffled by curly braces in the bnf, but it < 1466907640 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're playing a dangerous game, fizzie < 1466907648 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: Yes < 1466907659 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it start talking to itself? < 1466907661 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: But it won't respond, because the IRC server doesn't send you your own messages < 1466907666 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1466907677 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: The only reason they appear in your client is because the client adds them for convenience < 1466907683 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about adding another bot that'll try to talk to it every few hours < 1466907693 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? botlop < 1466907695 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :botlops are the core of botsentiences. Sapience is scheduled for the next release. < 1466907708 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know how it works I've made chat clients ^_^ < 1466907710 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: It's been done < 1466907723 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: But please, feel free to try to make one- it's tradition < 1466907729 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it has :D I just wanna see these in action < 1466907756 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some amount of botloop avoidance logic in many bots. < 1466907760 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: Note: Botlopping doesn't count if you make the bot (unless you already made it and want to see if there's a part that lets you botlop) < 1466907785 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo adds some invisible Unicode if the message starts with [^a-z] (approximately), and fungot has a built-in ignore list of nicks it ignores completely. < 1466907785 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: all those dotted lines are hard on my eyes... so, it's not a < 1466907788 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1466907788 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot|oonbotti|metasepia|ruddy|preflex|evalj|idris-bot|passwordBOT|jconn|applybot|blsqbot|fnordbot|termbot)! < 1466907826 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are these built in though? < 1466907826 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^add-ignore DonaldTrump < 1466907839 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: So it doesn't botlop < 1466907855 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is botlopping a bad thing :( < 1466907858 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: And it'd be hard to add a feature to make it so you can add an ignore < 1466907870 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: It's fun for exactly 3 revolutions, then it gets annoyying < 1466907882 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: Remember, fungot is literally written in Befunge-98 < 1466907882 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that is ( to humans) obviously not very useful unless you know what one i stopped at then < 1466907885 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's a fair point < 1466907932 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's not even a piece of #esoteric jokelore; fungot is actually written in Befunge-98, and the code is public) < 1466907933 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: mer espoo/ olari visitation now; away. the impossible takes a little time to understand it, so < 1466907944 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I trust you dw :D < 1466907963 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are they implemented though? I mean where do they run? < 1466907967 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot < 1466907967 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what happens if you invoke a full continuation, because it has none. :p) < 1466907991 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the last commit to fungot's repo was made in 2013 < 1466907991 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it is a case of weird dos font? that's even worse < 1466908012 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: I assume on a server somewhere in Canada < 1466908014 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you purposefully keep saying fungot just to invoke fungot < 1466908015 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: the specs asked for meters or centimeters wide use.... make an interpreter for < 1466908024 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been doing much fungot development lately. < 1466908025 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok. i'll stick to the standard ( which it does the same? ( roughly that amount of bits < 1466908027 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: No, I don't purposely say fungot < 1466908027 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: isn't you also oklopol? i dont see what the optimization does to the code during execution < 1466908034 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I want to invoke fungot? < 1466908035 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: a few crappy ones use boehm's gc. it's as good as newlisp. any number of strings can be ordered by internet. that's so, eh, cheap enough < 1466908039 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot is fun for a bit < 1466908043 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't fungotting know < 1466908044 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: that too. :) in fact, to me < 1466908044 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then fungot just gets annoying < 1466908044 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: think " c preprocessor on steroids" for me in c and use http://www.toreun.org/ eso.zip is the latest ' unofficial' release, from november of last year) < 1466908080 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, wow, that was an interesting response < 1466908136 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Funge who must Not be Named, when fnis creator said e hadn't been doing much development on fnim, told em (the creator) that fne would just stick to the standard- the code for the bot < 1466908166 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for where it runs physically, in a cfunge interpreter on a box about one and a half metres left of my feet. < 1466908170 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SENSORY CHICKEN < 1466908178 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does actually have to run on a server? < 1466908190 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not possible to have it float in the ether somewhere < 1466908217 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, freenode doesn't yet support free-floating blobs of Befunge for some reason. < 1466908241 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a programming language that uses X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* as a program? One where all programs necessarily look like viruses but aren't? < 1466908250 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, except those that are) < 1466908274 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, maybe it doesn't need the EICAR as a program, but it still has to always look like a virus < 1466908276 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HackEgo runs on the same machine as the esolangs.org wiki.) < 1466908287 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh on a more serious note, is it possible to design a language in which it's syntactically incorrect to write a non halting program? < 1466908289 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And the forum on the same domain < 1466908300 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't really "run". < 1466908303 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: Yes, that's actually a class of language < 1466908314 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to see that! < 1466908316 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: Total Functional Programming, where you can only write halting programs < 1466908325 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: It's actually a field that I think is gaining some traction < 1466908346 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TFP or the better variant where you can write non-halting programs, but only when it's provable that they're non-halting < 1466908365 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer the former variant honestly < 1466908379 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-screamed < 1466908379 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1466908384 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-proud < 1466908385 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1d 3h 16m 5s ago: In a 4D universe, would we have 2D roads? <-- if you consider 4d to include relativistic spacetime, we already do hth < 1466908385 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1d 1h 24m 12s ago: grep has a -r option hth < 1466908397 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: DAMN YOU! < 1466908413 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN YOU AND YOUR PROPER TECHNICALITIES OF SCIENCE! < 1466908420 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1466908466 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't roads 2d by default? < 1466908485 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-c dammit < 1466908487 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: ...yes, but not "really" 2D < 1466908505 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're 2D the same way paper is 3D, basically < 1466908581 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an objection to oerjan's response, wouldn't string theory require the universe to be >12D? < 1466908658 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell isn't total functional? right? < 1466908737 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't f _ = f 3 non halting? < 1466908851 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = f equally much. < 1466908862 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = f in f < 1466908866 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1466909049 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone give me an example of a total functional language? < 1466909156 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlooP. < 1466909236 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can the busy beaver be implemented in these languages? < 1466909367 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, maybe BlooP isn't. I'm not entirely sure what the exact definition for "total functional" is. But it's the canonical example language that only allows programs that halt.) < 1466909398 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: DAMN YOU! <-- please don't damn people it disturbs ais523 hth < 1466909444 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: System F hth < 1466909473 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: It isn't < 1466909493 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It does? < 1466909504 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm def gonna have a ton of these silly questions in the future < 1466909505 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: Almost certainly, but not really < 1466909514 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: these languages aren't even turing-complete, because then you'd have solved the halting problem. < 1466909520 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yep < 1466909527 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they aren't turing complete < 1466909528 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does it disturb you < 1466909535 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: slightly. < 1466909539 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: You can't *really* implement busy beaver in these because, by their nature, you can always make a longer-running program < 1466909551 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: And thus you can always make a program that leaves more cells on 1 < 1466909563 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wouldn't it be impossible to implement the variations that don't halt? < 1466909588 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically anything we don't know if it halts could be tested in such a language, right? < 1466909593 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: Yes? < 1466909618 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: No, you can't put anything in that language to see if it halts < 1466909631 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? sorry if it's a stupid question < 1466909639 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: Because even things we do know don't halt won't halt in this language- or, more accurately, aren't implementable < 1466909652 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/won't/will/ < 1466909684 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: In a language where all programs must halt, how would you implement a truth machine? < 1466909708 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you can't, you can't plug in a program to see if it will halt < 1466909713 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's my point, if it isn't implementable then it definitely doesn't halt < 1466909727 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, I suppose you could argue this forms a valid strategy- oh, that's what I was about to say < 1466909728 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: any total language must leave some halting problems unimplementable, because otherwise you could again solve the halting problem by trying to convert to it. < 1466909740 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically something that would be like "Syntax error at line 34: would make the algorithm non halting" < 1466909745 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*halting programs < 1466909746 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: Well, what about programs that do halt but aren't implementable? < 1466909756 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there such? < 1466909760 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: That would just be a solution to the halting problem < 1466909781 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: These languages don't syntactically prohibit non-halting, they just are impossible to make non-halting < 1466909812 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was asking for the former in the beginning, I suppose that's a nonsensical question now that I think about it < 1466909821 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1466909841 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: In theory you could kind of make something like that? But it wouldn't really be useful < 1466909858 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the compiler would basically have to solve the halting problem on any program, right? < 1466910091 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1466910167 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466910426 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: getting drunk is great and the reason you cant get drunk is you didnt drink enough booze. some people just metabolize it far faster < 1466910460 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know man I can chug a lot of it without any effect but I will conduct and experiment soon! < 1466910543 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the reason yo get drunk is ... all the best beverages are alcohiolic, and once youve had one, why stop? < 1466910561 0 :bender__!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:a0a7:c5db:3330:63ae JOIN :#esoteric < 1466910588 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: what did you drink? shots? beer? < 1466910645 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tequila < 1466910646 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vodka < 1466910652 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that < 1466910660 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do enjoy cider though < 1466910673 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are the ones I'd try to drink to get drunk < 1466910695 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and gin < 1466910753 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. do you like ale or wine? < 1466910777 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm allergic to wine so have a guess ^^ < 1466910828 0 :bender__!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:a0a7:c5db:3330:63ae QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1466911490 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thats too bad < 1466911500 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight < 1466911581 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/c+-.html < 1466911585 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just found out about this < 1466911849 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file quines/c < 1466911852 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quines/c: C source, ASCII text < 1466911878 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` gcc -x c quines/c < 1466911898 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1466911908 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ./a.out < 1466911909 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#include \ int main(){char*s="#include %cint main(){char*s=%c%s%c;printf(s,10,34,s,34,10);}%c";printf(s,10,34,s,34,10);} < 1466911916 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv a.out quines/c < 1466911921 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1466912007 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually really cool < 1466912027 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is < 1466912115 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing you just did < 1466912157 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda a cute little quine. < 1466912158 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be like that, but today someone switched out with a new version just in text. < 1466912170 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/error-haiku.html < 1466912173 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it out < 1466912192 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait just a sec < 1466912196 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I tend to prefer explicit declarations over an #include for stuff like that. < 1466912202 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(makes it a nice one-liner) < 1466912311 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the language called that uses "human interpreters" in this irc? < 1466912345 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah IRP < 1466912358 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/IRP#99_bottles < 1466912372 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gf gave me a shirt with this printed on it 2 years ago < 1466912378 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1466912383 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in glorious courier < 1466912407 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, including the GregorR? < 1466912410 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is memonic an actual user? < 1466912413 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1466912420 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1466912423 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take pics when it's out of the wash < 1466912428 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want < 1466912442 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably old, maybe fizzie remembers < 1466912458 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fungot remember < 1466912458 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: please remember that. what is lisp in small pieces right fnord that anything like eopl? how does one make thunks useful? < 1466912507 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that's a yes < 1466912514 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that might be undecidable < 1466912531 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1466912562 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466912643 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the existence of a user named mnemonic predates my arrival on irc < 1466912699 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 JOIN :#esoteric < 1466912730 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*memonic < 1466912798 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnemonic is correct though < 1466912810 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly not the username they used < 1466912922 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be a good wikipedian- like the proper zealots who are overinvested in Wikipedia- but I rarely see something in need of edits. Halp. < 1466912973 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn an unused language and translate everything to that language? < 1466913082 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why, but I went and tinkered with that quine a bit and made it charset-independent... < 1466913128 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: fashion < 1466913132 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fashion articles are *abysmal* < 1466913149 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: And me editing them would only make it worse < 1466913163 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: Is there an esperanto wikipedia? < 1466913173 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1466913189 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :extremely well detailed too < 1466913223 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1466913226 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. I mean just detailed < 1466913232 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well detailed isn't a phrase < 1466913237 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet < 1466913240 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there is < 1466913254 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a Lojban one < 1466913349 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a second language is an L2, what's an LΩ < 1466913400 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, should I learn Esperanto or Lojban? < 1466913435 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :croatian < 1466913450 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah no one speaks croatian < 1466913453 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away
< 1466913464 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm croatian :( < 1466913464 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dobar vam dan svima < 1466913476 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language, not the nationality < 1466913489 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, there are _two_ croatians here? < 1466913499 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: why do you think i ran away < 1466913512 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may or may not be the gf I mentioned some time ago < 1466913516 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1466913523 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good taste in t-shirts < 1466913526 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1466913539 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all have 6 character nicks < 1466913551 0 :pikhq_!?@? NICK :pikhq < 1466913553 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed < 1466913553 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :our messages are so nicely alligned, right fungot < 1466913553 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: it's not deterministic < 1466913555 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one true nick length, right myndzi < 1466913570 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hikhq_ < 1466913574 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban pikhq < 1466913658 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot, he works at google < 1466913673 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the repercursions are too scary < 1466913675 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he work in the googleplex < 1466913677 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he outranks us all < 1466913696 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jonne_: i don't know < 1466913706 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tough crowd < 1466913713 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: well except fizzie < 1466913725 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie works at googleplex? < 1466913736 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but he is also an op hth < 1466913773 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume googleplex is that mountain view place, and fizzie is in london) < 1466913789 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :googleplex is a number larger than google hth < 1466913810 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mountain view place is google [x] < 1466913810 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking of googol hth < 1466913841 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes google is inspired by 80s scifi < 1466913849 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :googoglplex is the number, googleplex is the campus < 1466913860 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it actually called googleplex? < 1466913865 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1466913870 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's genuinely amazing < 1466913889 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just marveling at how hilarious computer people are today < 1466913950 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1466913956 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google x changed their name to just "x" < 1466913963 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've told you it was called googleplex months ago < 1466913971 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.solveforx.com/ < 1466913974 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm disappointed < 1466913980 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sort of jealous you got to relive that realization < 1466913982 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for free < 1466913986 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's common knowledge that boyfriends don't listen hth < 1466914011 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing coppro says is free afaik < 1466914062 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Projects that X has considered and rejected include a space elevator, which was deemed to be currently infeasible;[28] a hoverboard, which was determined to be too costly relative to the societal benefits;[29] a user-safe jetpack, which was thought to be too loud and energy-wasting;[30] and teleportation, which was found to violate the laws of physics. < 1466914088 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should reorganize this sentence to be ascending in hilarity < 1466914149 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean it isn't? < 1466914180 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more I read it the more I find it is < 1466914205 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really does hit a perfect high note with that ending < 1466914258 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if they did dabble in things acceptably costly in relation to the societal benefits < 1466914263 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as environmentalism < 1466914332 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do self driving cars, that's a step in that direction I think < 1466914350 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that Makani thing count? < 1466914509 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do these cars even run on < 1466914550 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A road, I suppose < 1466914550 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intelligence < 1466914569 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you marry each other < 1466914635 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because roads are 2d and intelligence is ethereal < 1466914693 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how does it work, do you even need a driver's licence < 1466914731 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would a car need a driver's licence < 1466914745 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1466914747 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need a walking licence? < 1466914758 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the future is here and i won't ever have to make that investment < 1466914776 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully < 1466915031 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :driving is for losers lol < 1466915072 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1466915080 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turkey//Turkey was the center of an empire that gobbled up much of Eastern Europe and the Middle East, something which brought them into conflict with Ostrich. In the 19th century the overstuffed empire started declining, and after the Great War it was cut up like so much Shish Kebab. < 1466915091 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure you'll need a driver's license at least until laws are changed. < 1466915101 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, someone in the driver's seat. < 1466915105 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if I sit in the passenger seat < 1466915109 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1466915115 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1466915117 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :html//HTML is short for "hope this mess loads". < 1466915118 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1466915129 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1466915130 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1466915131 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1466915143 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric : chill damn < 1466915159 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely deleting that one < 1466915164 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diarrhea//Diarrhea is the most sickening accent, although some others are more grave. < 1466915165 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\//\ was initially popular as a replacement for the solidus, but inevitably there was a backslash. < 1466915165 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :select//select is a very versatile construct: it waits for events, retrieves data from tables, creates a list from elements of an input list that satisfy a condition, a dropdown list element, an event for when selection changes, branches between multiple arms, conditional between two expressions, prints a text-based menu prompt in a loop, and more. < 1466915208 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh you should implement one that tells the user to chill if there's a lot of consecutive requests < 1466915220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 is the standard number < 1466915228 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 6 requests i'd agree < 1466915243 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/html < 1466915253 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan oerjan fizzie < 1466915284 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1466915285 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 < 1466915290 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:422) cigaretes and drunking "lame highs for lame people" yeah if it doesn't make you go crazy and shoot at people, it's not worth it. take it from a norwegian. \ 803) unfortunately df is not yet able to simulate norway \ 871) so, i'm readng chaitin's book on the diophantine thing, and h < 1466915294 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1466915296 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:e uses lisp with single-character variable names, in APL's character set. is there a reliable test to see if i'm actually in some caricatured hell? \ 547) my old 2d game is named either runch or turbo fight.... and its hard \ 742) moral of the story with enough peer pressure nything is possible \ < 1466915316 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1466915321 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nostalgia forbids deleting any of them < 1466915337 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you deleting :( < 1466915740 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that you should hardly ever to delete them. < 1466915769 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1466915771 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :985) metar lead to canada, more metar and cows < 1466915851 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1466916147 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: it's a tradition < 1466916180 0 :bender!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:9049:e72d:be0c:28a6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1466916182 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although these days there are so few crap quotes left that we normally don't find anything we want to remove < 1466916215 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come there's a shortage of crap quotes? < 1466916229 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we deleted them hth :P < 1466916240 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 < 1466916244 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:385) No nasty sounds for a while now. Going to turn off and on and see if the numbers get worse. \ 1070) <+kmc> Harry Potter and the Physical Impossibility of Death in the Mind of Someone Living \ 737) 200 and 20 are the same different notations for the same thing \ 368) Phantom_Hoover: nope, I < 1466916249 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1466916251 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: removed . from the current directory \ 686) Quinary computers replace the cache with a quiche. \ < 1466916281 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that final newline for < 1466916290 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are quinary computers computers that can only run quines? < 1466916301 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why aren't there any new ones though °n° < 1466916321 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's me being lazy hth < 1466916337 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: there are. but i think we've got slightly higher standards < 1466916339 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: alt. it's for disambiguating between text that contains a final newline and text that doesn't < 1466916347 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1466916354 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/sport < 1466916355 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :distort "${1:-/dev/stdin}" | spore < 1466916359 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/distort < 1466916359 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys \ N=330 \ name = sys.argv[1] if len(sys.argv) > 1 else "/dev/stdin" \ with open(name, "r") as f: \ data = f.read().replace("\n", " \\ ") \ for i in xrange(0, len(data), N): \ print data[i:i+N] < 1466916558 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/distort//s#data = .*#data = ' \\\\ '.join(f.read().splitlines())# < 1466916561 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/distort//#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys \ N=330 \ name = sys.argv[1] if len(sys.argv) > 1 else "/dev/stdin" \ with open(name, "r") as f: \ data = ' \\ '.join(f.read().splitlines()) \ for i in xrange(0, len(data), N): \ print data[i:i+N] < 1466916565 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 < 1466916568 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3:946) i've always wanted to xor swap transfinite ordinals \ 111) ais523: elf corpses are not considered expensive health food. but the most expensive. \ 327) yes i use the services of a psychic, but i'm considering getting a live one since stuff like "hello $name, your first name $first_name has |$first_ < 1466916571 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam < 1466916571 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3:name| letters, so by using numerology we can tell ..." is getting kind of boring \ 829) I kept telling my therapist I wanted more conventional, non-hip-hop-oriented treatment, but it was no use. my shrinkwrapped. okay i hate myself for making a pun that bad please kill me :( \ 776) But I still sign by my pens and use extra dots and shapes and so on so that I can claim I was threatened to sign it and put those dots there to warn you, or whatever < 1466916576 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hth < 1466916617 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( xor swapping transfinite ordinals is entirely reasonable ) < 1466916655 0 :Reece`!~Ner@host-92-13-213-128.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Alsithyafturttararfunar < 1466916702 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just nim addition after all < 1466916706 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nimber < 1466916760 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something like FRACTRAN that uses powers of 2 and sets instead of primes and bags? < 1466916790 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we concluded it isn't TC with sets < 1466916821 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, that's pretty obvious, you get a finite number of bits < 1466916831 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you might have to use a more complicated operation. < 1466916837 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you mind if I attempted at making my own bot? never done that before, might get interesting < 1466916866 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i know, you could treat the bits like a tape *runs away* < 1466916871 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one used by FRACTRAN (which would be something involving & and |, I guess) probably wouldn't work. < 1466916890 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: that's also traditional < 1466916923 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it gets too spammy, it's traditional that shachaf asks you to move it to #esoteric-blah < 1466916949 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it's actually too spammy, it's traditional that oerjan bans it a little later. < 1466916974 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIES < 1466916994 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna believe the man with the correct amount of characters in their name on this one < 1466917004 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1466917012 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lies < 1466917013 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies are even easier than monoids. They form groups, known as Lie groups. < 1466917021 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's you oerjan < 1466917030 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's LIES was a lie < 1466917031 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1466917043 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know *you* know. < 1466917054 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think possibly you know. < 1466917061 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/1646/ < 1466917062 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't that big on theory of mind.
< 1466917063 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevant < 1466917064 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1466917097 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jonne_: please don't link that where fungot can see it twh < 1466917097 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i wonder if it works < 1466917101 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of bot is obviously too spammy and would get moved to #esoteric-blah < 1466917108 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: NO IT DOES NOT WORK < 1466917108 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am if i call eval on it is there, use fnord)? i < 1466917136 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why don't you try it hth < 1466917136 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: surely all 1x does is appends the x to the value of path slot. < 1466917152 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: please don't doom us all twh < 1466917160 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is oerjan doomed < 1466917160 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the last one.)" < 1466917168 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: am i doomed < 1466917169 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm having trouble getting the plt one < 1466917190 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are we all doomed? < 1466917190 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: be there fnord. lanier thinks the software crisis. tush ehird print " fnord < 1466917201 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're ok I think < 1466917222 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you referring to sidney lanier twh < 1466917222 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you want to offer you this one too. fnord. < 1466917394 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: look where too much fun got you < 1466917394 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: cette newsletter n'est pas un programme." is that like cracking your knuckles, except you're an octopus? i can't seem to get the user accounts too, this'll take days. < 1466917420 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceci n'est pas un bot < 1466917565 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1466917566 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :superduperinteressantesandersonnegelegenesdorfmitoderohnesahneistunsdabeiabsolutscheissegal//Superduperinteressantesandersonnegelegenesdorfmitoderohnesahneistunsdabeiabsolutscheissegal is where mroman lives. < 1466917580 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/superduperinteressantesandersonnegelegenesdorfmitoderohnesahneistunsdabeiabsolutscheissegal < 1466917586 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman < 1466917587 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LONG TDNH < 1466917666 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just german it's supposed to be that way hth < 1466917690 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1466917691 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken//chicken is boily af < 1466917704 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/chicken < 1466917710 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman < 1466917980 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1466917983 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :extreme irony//Extreme irony is what happens when you get a Darwin award for extreme ironing. < 1466917993 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/extreme irony < 1466917997 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan oerjan oerjan < 1466918008 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I ought to make a version of `wisdom with built-in culprits. < 1466918050 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msvxyspoksvvbupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the days when HackEgo replied instantly... < 1466918067 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1466918072 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come it's slow though? < 1466918092 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msvxyspoksvvbupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I tried to set up my own variant of it, but the main userspace linux emulator thingy kept segfaulting. < 1466918112 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1466918129 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msvxyspoksvvbupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a plan to make an IRC bot that simply runs inside a VM, and passes through things to bash without actually trying to do any shielding or anything. < 1466918154 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are programming languages created or discovered < 1466918173 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msvxyspoksvvbupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, same of any idea, really. Both, in my opinion. < 1466918230 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the answer change if said programming languages are joke languages? < 1466918243 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msvxyspoksvvbupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. Still both. < 1466918252 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msvxyspoksvvbupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, as an idea it has always existed. But /somebody/ had to jump through the mental hoops to figure it out. They "created" it by thinking of it out of "nothing". < 1466918266 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 6am don't indulge him < 1466918274 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msvxyspoksvvbupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for me. < 1466918277 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msvxyspoksvvbupk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1466918290 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1466918292 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nano//nano is vi's sister. < 1466918299 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1466918300 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helsinki//Helsinki is the capital of Finland. Its main suburb is Hexham, Northumberland. < 1466918307 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msvxyspoksvvbupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Why's it a double /? Didn't it used to be a single slash? < 1466918319 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double / is the best. < 1466918322 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom / < 1466918324 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: warning: Unix filenames usually don't contain slashes (though pathnames do). That means that '-name `*/*'' will probably evaluate to false all the time on this system. You might find the '-wholename' test more useful, or perhaps '-samefile'. Alternatively, if you are using GNU grep, you could use 'find ... -print0 | grep -FzZ `*/*''. \ //c < 1466918335 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1466918335 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msvxyspoksvvbupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha. < 1466918337 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msvxyspoksvvbupk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1466918339 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fix it twh < 1466918375 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist 445 < 1466918376 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist 445: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy < 1466918471 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to crash hackego < 1466918510 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msvxyspoksvvbupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly. It'd take quite the maneuvering, though. You'd have to break out of the UML thingy. < 1466918546 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msvxyspoksvvbupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. It took me this long to realise your nick is Etaoin, and that the rest of it is shrdlu. ._. < 1466918597 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I'm not stealing someone else's nick < 1466918602 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msvxyspoksvvbupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vanishes back into mysterious idling for a long time
< 1466918676 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'mma go sleep cya <3 < 1466918699 0 :Etaoin!1f93741b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.116.27 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1466919358 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`find -path < 1466919361 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: missing argument to `-path' < 1466919370 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wisdom < 1466919371 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F="$(find wisdom -name "*$(echo "$1" | lowercase)*" -type f -print0 | shuf -z -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}//" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl < 1466919430 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/wisdom//s,-name ",-ipath "wisdom/, < 1466919435 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/wisdom//F="$(find wisdom -ipath "wisdom/*$(echo "$1" | lowercase)*" -type f -print0 | shuf -z -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}//" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl < 1466919441 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom wisdom < 1466919451 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdome//The Wisdome is the place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom. < 1466919454 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1466919490 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/lowercase < 1466919491 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ tr A-Z a-z | sed 's/Ø/ø/g' < 1466919515 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/wisdom//s/ipath/path/ < 1466919519 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/wisdom//F="$(find wisdom -path "wisdom/*$(echo "$1" | lowercase)*" -type f -print0 | shuf -z -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}//" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl < 1466919523 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom / < 1466919525 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¯\(°​_o)/¯//¯\(°​_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1466919557 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom // < 1466919558 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​//cat: : No such file or directory < 1466919570 0 :jonne_!d5953edb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.149.62.219 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1466919589 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that'll be 6 zorkmids hth < 1466919606 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are we charging each other for HackEgo changes now? < 1466919658 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball are we charging each other for HackEgo changes now? < 1466919658 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we charging each other for HackEgo changes now? < 1466919660 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may rely on it. < 1466919665 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure the balance will wind up being in your favor hth < 1466919668 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit stupid network < 1466919702 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm always off balance anyway. < 1466919742 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd oerjan//s#over#under# < 1466919745 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/oerjan//Your mysterious articled cackling zombie underlord kommisjonær emeritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1466919882 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf monday forecast < 1466919906 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i shall not be outside at around 18 < 1466919916 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that i was planning to, anyway) < 1466919949 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weather < 1466919951 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @@ @@ (@where weather) CYUL ENVA ESSB KOAK < 1466919954 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : CYUL 260400Z 00000KT 15SM FEW250 22/13 A3009 RMK CI2 SLP192 DENSITY ALT 700FT \ ENVA 260420Z 09003KT 9999 SCT010 BKN014 12/10 Q1016 RMK WIND 670FT 09006KT \ ESSB 260420Z AUTO 08007KT 9999 BKN098/// BKN180/// 20/16 Q1012 \ KOAK 260353Z 28013KT 10SM FEW180 17/11 A2993 RMK AO2 SLP135 T01720106 < 1466920170 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.9 - 14.3 mm, that one hour. < 1466920181 0 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1466920194 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very precise, i guess < 1466920215 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1466920293 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1466920308 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1466920404 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1466921580 0 :Destructible!2af16b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.42.241.107.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1466921837 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466921848 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, would it be better to translate languages by going from the main language to lojban then from lojban to the target than just from source to target? < 1466921885 0 :Destructible!2af16b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.42.241.107.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1466921910 0 :Destructible!2af16b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.42.241.107.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because any resolution conserved would only be done by the people making the conversion to lojban < 1466921949 0 :Destructible!2af16b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.42.241.107.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it could be useful for converting it to a language where it is well described, before someone else translates it < 1466922316 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:58c2:98f3:e7ff:280e PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, would it be better to translate audio formats by going from FLAC to Ogg Vorbis then from Ogg Vorbis to MP3, than just from FLAC to MP3? < 1466922389 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1466922411 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :never use a lossy format as an intermediate as you'll just introduce more degradation < 1466922623 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :In video lossy formats often get used as intermediates. < 1466922648 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's a good idea there either, it's just more common because raw or lossless compressed video is pretty sizable. < 1466922986 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Voiceless_glottal_fricative.ogg should be a meme for responding to terrible jokes < 1466923336 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do linguists have a term for the way people talk to their pets? < 1466923383 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@184.63.248.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1466923682 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:58c2:98f3:e7ff:280e PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I was joking about the question about languages :) < 1466923740 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1466923747 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed it lol < 1466923747 0 :Destructible!2af16b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.42.241.107.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FOUND THAT FILE BEFORE < 1466923755 0 :Destructible!2af16b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.42.241.107.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SAVED IT MY COMPUTER < 1466923758 0 :Destructible!2af16b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.42.241.107.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was amazing < 1466923758 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Well, for audio formats you have a lossless option you can use instead, so you don't have to write n^2 converters. < 1466923784 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no lossless language option, so in theory using a lossy language might make sense to save work. < 1466923806 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if some intermediate format did make sense, though, it would almost certainly not be lojban. < 1466923863 0 :Destructible!2af16b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.42.241.107.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be honest, language is a lossy format as well < 1466923869 0 :Destructible!2af16b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.42.241.107.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To begin with. < 1466924015 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And translation is not exactly as practical to do automatically as audio format conversion is. < 1466924074 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Destructible: That particular file I sent? < 1466924084 0 :Destructible!2af16b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.42.241.107.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1466924092 0 :Destructible!2af16b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.42.241.107.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saved it before < 1466925695 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be a rule that, if a word contains the diletter "py" or "pi", it is required that there be a (completely irrelevant) python library with a name based on it < 1466925725 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"happy" is a haskell package < 1466925731 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a haskell-python bridge < 1466925734 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a waste < 1466926302 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There's probably also a haskell-python bridge called happy < 1466926316 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If there isn't, we must execute the BDFL of happy and take its place < 1466926340 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how do you know there isn't a python package called "happy" fitting the criterium? < 1466926359 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you truly know anything < 1466926363 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world is a mystery < 1466926410 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:58c2:98f3:e7ff:280e PRIVMSG #esoteric :like birds < 1466926418 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:58c2:98f3:e7ff:280e PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are birds? < 1466926424 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:58c2:98f3:e7ff:280e PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just don't know. < 1466926450 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? birds < 1466926465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is HackEgo so slow? we just don't know < 1466926466 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bird bird bird bird < 1466926473 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hoag wisdom/bird < 1466926482 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ revert accbc9c5c7ec \ echo wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rm \ revert \ revert 1 \ revert \ for x in wisdom/*; do rev "$x" > "$x"a; mv "$x"a "$x"; done \ learn bird bird bird bird \ learn bird is a dinosaur \ learn bird bird bird bird < 1466926692 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1466927001 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nite < 1466927002 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1466927323 0 :augur!~augur@208-90-212-15.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1466927884 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw shit I made myself sound really old! < 1466927930 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remarked about "waiting for the game boy advance sp instead of buying the first gba" < 1466928114 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one catch oneself from saying things that will inadvertently show one's age? < 1466928231 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1466928236 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make you sound very old... < 1466928324 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, older than me, I guess, but probably younger than most of the channel < 1466928360 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-imcnvmkofbqkyjxw JOIN :#esoteric < 1466928361 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it only makes you "maybe mid-20s" < 1466928533 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never had any Nintendo things. < 1466928549 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, there's a more general question. How do you detect statements that reveal personal information indirectly? Can an automatic system be made to build up a profile of an anonymous person based on such statments? < 1466928559 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People try to make me feel like I missed out on life. < 1466928561 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scowple. < 1466928618 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a pretty hard AI task < 1466928810 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the other hand a system like that can also be used to automatically prevent people from revealing too much about themselves < 1466928857 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should reveal literally everything about yourself. < 1466928865 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you want to make the world more open and connected? < 1466928934 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Almost all of my Nintendo things have been adulthood purchases, if that makes you feel better. < 1466928947 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already kinda do. I'm using my real name here... < 1466928974 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How's pooching? < 1466928982 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't, but many of you know my real name, and those of you who don't are a trip to google.com away. < 1466928992 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Doin' okay. Hopeful for my interview on Tuesday. < 1466929005 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's true for me too, but only because I have way more money now to buy everything < 1466929103 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort? < 1466929138 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code interview for an SRE position up in SF. < 1466929141 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1466929389 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: internal? < 1466930957 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466931947 0 :Destructible!2af16b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.42.241.107.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1466932045 0 :Destructible!2af16b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.42.241.107.100 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1466932050 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I to do keyboard mapping lookup in Xwicketset? Using XKeysymToString and XrmStringToQuark every time a key is pushed would probably be slow? < 1466933450 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466934391 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1466940289 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://highon.coffee/blog/penetration-testing-tools-cheat-sheet/ < 1466940304 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great < 1466940311 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -o exploit exploit.c i needed this so much < 1466940326 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, gcc -o is a really useful option < 1466940328 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it like... < 1466940329 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes output < 1466940341 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to a different place! *drama* < 1466940482 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so glad they show how to create a suid shell for both /bin/bash and /bin/sh < 1466941003 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some useful stuff like < 1466941012 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reference to The Martian for their ASCII table < 1466941046 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-imcnvmkofbqkyjxw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1466941105 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such lovely advice as "Use google to search exploit-db.com for exploits" (yeah, that's not suspicious) < 1466941524 0 :prooftechnique_!~prooftech@185.14.184.86 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1466941619 0 :prooftechnique!~prooftech@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::ca:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1466943009 0 :Reece`!~Ner@host-92-13-213-128.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466944202 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3030:b04c:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1466945115 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3030:b04c:de85:deff:fe55:967a QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1466945552 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3030:b04c:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1466945910 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3030:b04c:de85:deff:fe55:967a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1466946086 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never hung around on #IRP, so I wouldn't've seen the dicussion involving 'memonic', if that really happened. < 1466946573 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you read wouldn't've ? < 1466947441 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would not have < 1466947476 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person A: Are you intending on destroying the world? Person B: I wouldn't've even dreamt of it. < 1466947499 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, person B may be telling lies) < 1466947506 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but that's not the point) < 1466947517 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was an interesting subplot < 1466947545 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any language where you can tell truth, you can tell lies < 1466947568 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as long as those truths are arbitrary) < 1466947583 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the other way around? (what about newspeak?j < 1466947588 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :)* < 1466947622 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as those lies are arbitrary. < 1466947639 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody can tell what "ungood" means < 1466947656 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, uncreating the universe could be considered ungood < 1466947706 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the "as long as they're arbitrary" - you have to have enough expression to tell whatever lies you need, and by having that you also leave a hole open for telling truth < 1466947803 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even a simple operator that expresses a fact to be not-true allows expressing a truth for any lie < 1466947814 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can just prepend that operator < 1466947818 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the lie < 1466947838 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since your oppressive regime will have to, one day, say that the words of the rebels aren't true... < 1466947862 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone will find a way to express (perhaps with some monkey-patching of the language), that your words aren't true. < 1466948651 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: http://unicodepowersymbol.com/ < 1466948676 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1466949135 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: also, Tangut < 1466949146 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck with them! < 1466949165 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is looking forward the eventual encoding of classical Yi script
< 1466949178 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(88,000 characters proposed, probably the largest of any Unicode proposal) < 1466949399 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1466949479 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1466949535 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: out of interest, what's the story of your nick? < 1466949592 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just taken a nick of appropriate complexity (deriving from Lífþrasir of Norse mythology) and tweaked it so that it is available in gmail < 1466949612 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1466949804 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: and if you wonder about Yurume instead, https://anidb.net/ch11207 < 1466950371 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language is a standard that people agree on by communicating in it. thus, what stops Tolkien's scripts from entering Unicode? < 1466950386 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the criteria for a language? < 1466950425 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or script for that language? < 1466950467 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard there are some problems with tolkien estate re. tengwar < 1466950475 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't remember where < 1466950827 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cirth and Tengwar are still at 160xx in http://www.unicode.org/roadmaps/smp/ < 1466950866 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But the proposal is from 1997 already.) < 1466951055 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: roughtly speaking, 1. attestation in the actual texts 2. willingness of the community 3. suitability of encoding < 1466951092 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Klingon (also proposed by Everson at the same time) was formally rejected for lack of evidence for point 1. < 1466951094 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Klingon was rejected because of 2 (the *actual* Klingon speakers use Latin transliterations) < 1466951100 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe 2. < 1466951113 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on how you want to think about it, I guess. < 1466951224 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if the script has enough notability and (usage and/or research), probably 1 is not a concern < 1466951238 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Tengwar, there's an actual published periodical (http://www.elvish.org/VT/) and all. < 1466957468 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1466958537 0 :bender!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:9049:e72d:be0c:28a6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1466958645 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1466958698 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@54.39.114.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466959024 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@54.39.114.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1466959178 0 :bender!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:985a:d6e0:9cdc:b13b JOIN :#esoteric < 1466960183 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: which "usual" meaning of "pidgin" did you have in mind? in any case, the wisdom entry resulted from a discussion about IRC clients, IIRC. < 1466961344 0 :bender!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:985a:d6e0:9cdc:b13b QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1466962084 0 :Reece`!~Ner@host-92-13-213-128.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1466963107 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3865:4531:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1466963595 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3865:4531:de85:deff:fe55:967a QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1466965590 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1466966284 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466966444 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1466966624 0 :ais523|telnet!~ais523@213.205.252.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1466966639 0 :ais523|telnet!~ais523@213.205.252.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1466966642 0 :ais523|telnet!~ais523@213.205.252.126 QUIT :Client Quit < 1466966654 0 :^v^v!?@? NICK :^v < 1466966796 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/AsaClassCruiser.PNG < 1466966819 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/AsaLaunchConfig.PNG < 1466966837 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/AsaLeavingKerbin.PNG < 1466966863 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtualbox is fixed < 1466967056 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, exactly, did oren do to cause a "biome Highlands" when nowhere near the planet in question < 1466967094 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who would need a smokescreen < 1466967102 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Smk Scrn") < 1466967128 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless... Aha! \oren\ is actually a Kerbal spy! < 1466967149 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...also, that is one big cruiser. < 1466967211 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: your font doesn't have japanese numbers? < 1466967219 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also like the screen-space optimization you've got going on there with the 7-pixel-high font in the launch config...) < 1466967298 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: maybe try looking in the "Chinese Characters" section... 三 < 1466967324 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, 三 seems to translate to "three" according to Google Translate - it's possible I'm just uninformed. < 1466967392 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: it means "three" but it's also sometimes used phonetically < 1466967411 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind-of like people writing "l8r" to mean "later" in text messages < 1466967424 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noted. < 1466967446 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that font has awesome things < 1466967462 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Translation: that font has awesssss...omethings.) < 1466967466 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do i set the path for non interactive shells? < 1466967479 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd < 1466967499 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i ment $PATH < 1466967515 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in whatever config they read < 1466967547 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: «export PATH=» and the path in their config file < 1466967548 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :1一 2二 3三 4四 5五 6六 7七 8八 9力 10十 ok these are all in \oren\'s font < 1466967555 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i expected them to be contiguous < 1466967564 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think 8 is wrong < 1466967634 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's 百 twice < 1466967706 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@pin22-2-78-207-27-9.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466968041 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: unicode doesn't have them contiguous < 1466968086 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all kanji from grades 1-6 in Japan if that helps < 1466968237 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This cruiser is heading to Duna and Ike to conduct orbital reconnaissance < 1466968267 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has 3 years of food, water and oxygen aboard < 1466968282 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hauling that stuff takes a lot of fuel. < 1466968297 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the whole thing is therefore pretty big < 1466968433 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea to avoid having to convert a keysym to a string and then to a quark each time a key is pushed in my program might be, when the resources are loaded to create an array of the sorted keysyms mapping them to the quarks, and then search that array using bsearch to find the quark corresponding to a keysym. < 1466969355 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what stupid system doesn't have contiguous numbers? < 1466969405 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@pin22-2-78-207-27-9.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1466969507 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: well, they're not always digits (see what ais523 said) < 1466969532 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: so they're closer to just random letters, arranged in whatever order it was decided they should be arranged in < 1466969544 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they decided a stupid order < 1466969558 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only from a numeric perspective < 1466969706 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to convert GContext to GC with Xlib? (Such thing might want to be done if you want to create a shareable GC) < 1466969735 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why only share the GC? < 1466969761 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@2001:999:32:77:e44f:6b0e:7500:9110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1466969779 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not quite understand the point of your question < 1466969798 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, AFAIK Xorg has No Real Protection (tm) against applications messing with other applications anyway (see: Every fullscreen application that abuses XRandr ever), so there's no downside to passing a sub-window < 1466969963 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can share a window, font, or whatever, but it depend what you want to share < 1466970175 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently a GContext is a CARD32. < 1466970285 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and can be stored in a property or selection or event or whatever, like any other ID. < 1466970314 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be lovely if I could even actually find in any of this what a "GC" actually is. < 1466970331 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1466970335 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xlib.h defines it with a typedef < 1466970371 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GC" is an opaque type used in Xlib. You can convert a GC to a GContext, but not the other way around, it seems. < 1466970441 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you know why passing a window ID might be easier < 1466970463 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it does not help if the ID you want to share is not a window ID. < 1466970519 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be lovely, but things that return GCs seem to be... few and far between < 1466970595 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Xlib seems to keep spooky internal fields < 1466970606 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, that's what they say... < 1466970677 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, < 1466970682 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like this would do: GC XGetGC(Display*,GC,GContext); GC XUngetGC(GC); < 1466970697 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those spooky internal fields are why they don't let you do that < 1466970719 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some data it can't extrapolate from the ID < 1466970739 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure it has to be a GContext? < 1466970786 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because by the look of it you'd have to allocate a GC, then swap around an internal field, and hope Xlib doesn't notice < 1466970796 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka. bad stuff < 1466970805 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466970826 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't it to retrieve the extra data from the server? < 1466970832 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1466970832 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 261800Z 21010G16KT 30SM FEW060 FEW180 BKN250 31/15 A3005 RMK CU1AC1CI7 CU TR AC TR SLP176 DENSITY ALT 1800FT < 1466970839 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IDK < 1466970904 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, in theory there shouldn't be any extra data < 1466970946 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think the extra data would be any pending GC changes < 1466970970 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, trouble is they don't document it for some insane reason < 1466970979 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who knows < 1466970986 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just says "internal stuff" < 1466971007 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the specific quote is: < 1466971009 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there is more to this structure, but it is private to Xlib" < 1466971013 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which means the same thing < 1466971020 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a more complicated manner < 1466971027 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and being more annoying about it) < 1466971140 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hbot now allows you to execute raw python as well < 1466971160 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me, is hbot online? < 1466971308 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, and i discovered i made a mistake, someone else decided to write the python execution script, so nvm on python exec until later < 1466971322 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus my version was bugged < 1466971334 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I didn't even get a chance to mess with it, either) < 1466971340 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried many iterations of "help"...) < 1466971354 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1466971369 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to find out what commands it has < 1466971386 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your hbot wasn't the hbot that recently left? < 1466971392 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, a minute or two ago? < 1466971402 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1466971411 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1466971413 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on what channel? < 1466971418 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :none, left the network < 1466971436 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hbot is running in #hbot and #esoteric-blah < 1466971440 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1466971449 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough people use hbot for it to have a channel :P < 1466971451 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :command prefix? < 1466971466 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> ( we changed it due to a quirk in the ezzybot framework < 1466971472 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(suffice to say I don't want to have to start with the elvish next time it joins to try and get it to output a command listing) < 1466972095 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file Xlibint.h has all of the internal structures. In addition to the stuff I expected, it has variables "rects" and "dashes" < 1466972579 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemzzoonello < 1466972585 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1466972645 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3865:939f:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1466972693 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :jabellohja < 1466972719 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...is jaboja a human? < 1466972762 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, hbot is still not working with its new python support yet < 1466972825 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly certain moon is human < 1466973061 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3865:939f:de85:deff:fe55:967a PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a human. Beep! < 1466973070 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone help out? we are failing badly at getting hbot to run python < 1466973073 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need someone who can do python :P < 1466973685 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jaboja: hello human < 1466973793 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jaboja: if you are a human, what is the best way to perform: 64 + 192 < 1466973874 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3865:939f:de85:deff:fe55:967a PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would run python and see what it returns < 1466974382 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how would you run python < 1466974501 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: jaboja has already proven humanity. "i would push it off onto someone else if i have to but since i don't i will do nothing" is the most human possible answer < 1466974542 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i can python a python sometimes. how much do you pay for such help? < 1466974745 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1466974754 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello friends I am here < 1466974860 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1466974930 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1466974951 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw is it the wrong character? < 1466974992 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :montreal//Montreal is a city in Canada that somehow is obsessed with Vietnamese cuisine. < 1466975013 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's just very slow < 1466975144 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo lives in a castle of sandbags to protect iself < 1466975147 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*itself < 1466975153 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, this makes it very slow to communicate with < 1466975165 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the requests have to navigate the castle, < 1466975173 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :while avoiding all of HackEgo's evil traps! :) < 1466975207 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1466975230 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twnh//twnh is dubious hambiguitous help that will or will not be help. It is provided by a toe with no hair. < 1466975237 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk with all the bells and whistles of hackego I somehow prefer fungot < 1466975238 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: " more logic p0rn at fnord!') code is perfectly ok for other people reading your code first. it is defined < 1466976002 0 :moon_!4c014add@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.74.221 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1466976134 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trouble with fungot is the lack of persistence. < 1466976135 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: english auxiliaries are fucked up on the discussion list" though. :p))) without letting me see the perl script to complete the operation ( ' this record set the field x to be more, eh, specbot? < 1466976216 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are some limits as to what's practical to do with brainfuck delivered over IRC, though there's a mechanism that allows to construct a program incrementally to go beyond the line lenght limit. < 1466976222 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i amnpretty amazed for what is possible with befunge < 1466976339 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3865:939f:de85:deff:fe55:967a QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1466976713 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, isn't befunge turing complete? < 1466976769 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: befunge-93 is a push-down automaton unless you use bignum arithmetic < 1466976781 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only has a finitely large playfield and a stack < 1466976792 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge-98's use of a stack stack makes it turing-complete, I think < 1466976794 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is written in befunge-95 iirc < 1466976794 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: i think i've done that much without any sleep a few times < 1466976821 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: HORRIPILANT CHICKEN < 1466976977 0 :^v!~v^@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1466977591 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what characters should I add next? < 1466977771 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to what exactly? < 1466977782 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: -98. < 1466977813 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think -95 exists; -96 and -97 do, but only barely.) < 1466977819 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is turing complete therefore myname's amazement isn't justified ^_^ < 1466977826 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I just misread < 1466978031 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1466978353 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: well, being theoretically able to do everything and doing something useful are two different things < 1466978384 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to agree what fungot does in that language really is quite remarkable :) < 1466978384 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: or it couldn't build it on top level? < 1466978865 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that's the secret, it's just built on top level. < 1466978920 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Befunge-98 variant with non-local function calls would be an eminently practical language. < 1466978952 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a couple of function calls in the fungot sources, but they're pretty inconvenient to do, since you have to deal with routing execution back to any of the potential callsites. < 1466978952 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you sleep in the dining room studying, and someone said at assembly that music was ripped from fnord < 1466979025 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it keep repeating fnord < 1466979047 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fnord: The Definitive Album" < 1466979112 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those :1-#<| and :2-#<| and #<| sequences (read from down to up) on approximately the rightmost column of lines 258-263, 231-236 and 225-227 are part of the machinery to return from the sub-interpreters so that ^ul/^bf/^def can share code. < 1466979165 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it keeps repeating fnord because that's the placeholder word it uses when the language model synthesizes the "out-of-vocabulary word" token that was used to replace overly rare words. < 1466979200 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In some styles. Other styles are unpruned that way and entirely fnord-free.) < 1466979219 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1466979233 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that's intentional. The fact that Charles Darwin uses emoticons all over the place wasn't. < 1466979238 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin < 1466979238 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy) < 1466979254 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a function call,in fungot is actually a push of the "local scope integer" which gets looked up upon return? < 1466979254 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: So are you saying my parents were apes? < 1466979255 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: with respect to editors, mr. gould as distinct species, and those from/ long-styled form; both these sets correspond in length with advancing age :) characters derived from seeds are generally :) extreme thinness; and on analysis by mr. frankland, was carefully examined;/ seeds were also conspicuously larger than those :)/ < 1466979255 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " 658? 1. published in/ :( atlantic monthly,' 1859, p. 5. < 1466979283 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Pretty much, yes. It's the "standard" way to do it. < 1466979290 0 :Nathan2055!uid28382@wikipedia/Nathan2055 JOIN :#esoteric < 1466979335 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have, as a signature block, a simple recursive Fibonacci in Befunge-93. < 1466979381 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Very briefly.) < 1466979395 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :>#v1&#:<-1<-1\0\_.@ < 1466979395 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :>2-!#v_:2\^fibre^-< < 1466979395 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^:_ >$1>\#+:#$!_1^ < 1466979401 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if that's the final form. < 1466979419 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's not even the final form!!!11" < 1466979473 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why fibonacci? < 1466979502 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: haha, I take it you're using the Befunge stack as a callstack? < 1466979508 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the canonical examples of recursion. < 1466979514 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1466979558 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why fibonacci in your signature? < 1466979593 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, I mean, I wanted something compact in Befunge. It seemed like the thing to do. I didn't keep it for long. < 1466979620 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :People had JAPH programs etc. < 1466979631 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :japh doesn't print fibonacci < 1466979634 0 :moon_!~moon_@tx-76-1-74-221.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466979635 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't you write a jabh? < 1466979685 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe fibonacci is more interesting < 1466979699 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jabh? < 1466979718 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have any particularly creative ideas for a JABH. And I had already spent a while compacting "fibre" (that thing) into a small-ish rectangle. < 1466979723 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mooz helped a little. < 1466979791 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still somehow feel obfuscated c code is less readable than befunge < 1466979798 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: JAPH is an obfuscated Perl program that prints "Just another Perl hacker." -- by extension, JABH would be the same except s/Perl/Befunge/ for both the content and the language. < 1466979837 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: That would probably depend on whether the Befunge code is (intentionally) obfuscated. < 1466979854 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :more obfuscate than just being befunge?! < 1466979856 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :madness < 1466979913 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge is generally much more easier to write than to read, at least IME, and I've heard that from others as well. < 1466979928 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iobcc < 1466979934 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always wondered if people defined golfong in befunge < 1466979962 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, do you count chars? lines? area? circumference? < 1466979974 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pixels < 1466979988 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be a subrequirement < 1466980005 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case two languages have the same amount of characters the one that uses the least pixels wins < 1466980022 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would wager a guess most Befunge golfing that goes on happens at anagol, and that just counts bytes in the source file. < 1466980022 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indisagree < 1466980065 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if pixels would be relevant, you could make a substitution language that replaces the most common commands with .,:…; etc < 1466980128 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking recently that if we defined a transistor's operation as f(x,y) = if y then x else 0, assuming that's correct, any language that has an if else statement is turing complete < 1466980138 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ppcg also uses bytes in the source file for befunge, I believe < 1466980145 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm fairly certain transistors are a bit more complicated than that < 1466980146 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and similar languages such as hexagony) < 1466980182 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although interestingly, it has a rule that for unicode-heavy languages, you can use either utf-16 or utf-8 < 1466980251 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say area would be i much nicer measurement for bf golfing < 1466980345 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since only 3 bits are needed to store a brainfuck command and since even that can be further reduced with "switch" operators maybe we could just divide the amount of bytes by 2.667 < 1466980381 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless bf is befunge here ^^ < 1466980388 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :befinge, yeah < 1466980391 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*u < 1466980440 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is area different from byte count? < 1466980466 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxx < 1466980466 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1466980476 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has an area of 8 and a byte count of 6. < 1466980484 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's arguably bullshit < 1466980494 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use the term arguably loosely < 1466980530 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for the "area of bounding box" definition, which is admittedly only one of them. < 1466980541 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: it forces you to think in other ways < 1466980547 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It could also have an area of 5, but that's still quite different from the byte count.) < 1466980556 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx is worse that xxxx\nxxxx < 1466980570 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's true for both. < 1466980587 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to make solutions as quadratic as possible < 1466980587 0 :^v!~v^@2602:ffc5::d0d9:3ea JOIN :#esoteric < 1466980590 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers making a language where the only meaningful thing is the shape of the bounding box
< 1466980595 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that'd be funny < 1466980607 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good idea! < 1466980619 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't a vertical line be more efficient than a square? < 1466980625 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't count newlines < 1466980631 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do count newlines < 1466980641 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't count newlines < 1466980663 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vertical line is worse that a horizontal line < 1466980670 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why < 1466980672 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since x*y = y*x < 1466980682 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you may or may not count newlines < 1466980692 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't, it is equally bad < 1466980701 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think many "area"-like definitions *would* be more natural, since "xxxx\nx" and "xxxx\n x" really "should" be the same "size". < 1466980705 0 :Warrigal!?@? NICK :tswett < 1466980713 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah < 1466980721 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd also use the mbb < 1466980734 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the what? < 1466980762 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimal bounding box < 1466980765 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1466980801 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought that with a vertical line you get many free bytes, even if they're all newlines < 1466980813 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if this is any useful in befunge < 1466980832 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newlines do not have any meaning as far as i know < 1466980885 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They only affect where the other source characters end up in the playfield. < 1466980902 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it harder to make a squarer program? < 1466980971 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the question. fizzies fibonacci has about 50 commands in an area of 3*19=57 < 1466981018 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe circumference of the mbb is better < 1466981043 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it would be 3+3+19+19=44 < 1466981070 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas a squere with 8*8i64 possible chars only has a circumference of 4*8=32 < 1466981075 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*square < 1466981111 0 :moon_!~moon_@tx-76-1-74-221.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how much code i would have to write to allow a ghci interface over hbot in python.. < 1466981221 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more than in sh with common tools < 1466981236 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://phpthegoodparts.tumblr.com < 1466981238 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about lisp < 1466981246 0 :moon_!~moon_@tx-76-1-74-221.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp? i could try :P < 1466981253 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a one-line program, if you need to go both ways you generally need to "waste" some characters to #s. In a more squarish program, you generally need to "waste" some characters to ^v<>. It's really a matter of how well you manage to structure your code to avoid either kind of waste, keeping in mind that conditionals by nature change direction, and it's possible to e.g. use _ to do a ... < 1466981259 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... combination of < and $ in a single command if you happen to know the value you want to $ is nonzero. < 1466981300 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Those are called "drop ifs".) < 1466981354 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but circumference force you to be more squareish since a squre has the lowest circumference (of any rectangle) for any given area < 1466981416 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: actually, something that I've been thinking about in stack-based language design < 1466981418 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, in an asymptotic sense. < 1466981427 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is whether it's better for commands to leave values on the stack and force extra pops < 1466981432 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or consume them and force extra duplicates < 1466981487 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only really familiar with the latter kind. < 1466981524 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you really make something out of the bounding box idea, tell me. otherwise. i may think about it < 1466981546 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'm not planning to think about it much < 1466981548 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many other esolang ideas < 1466981562 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i barely have any :( < 1466981568 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one I'm thinking about that seems really promising as a new paradigm but that will be a pain to write < 1466981574 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either in terms of spec or impl < 1466981631 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of functional reactive programming, but probably isn't identical < 1466981676 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to #define an array in c? < 1466981695 0 :moon_!~moon_@tx-76-1-74-221.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk < 1466981697 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: your question is a little confused < 1466981701 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to clarify what you mean < 1466981705 0 :moon_!~moon_@tx-76-1-74-221.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont even get what our talking about ^_^ < 1466981706 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that #define is a textual substitution < 1466981718 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that runs before the rest of the program is parsed < 1466981727 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can certainly use #define to construct parts of an array declaration, or the like < 1466981732 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm daft NEVER MIND haha < 1466981856 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compound literals might also be relevant in whatever the underlying context there was. < 1466981902 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: #define array(x) int array[x]; < 1466981903 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, ish. You can't really get arbitrary strings out of it, "just" arbitrary tokens. < 1466981904 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :tadaa < 1466981917 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind, the distinction is... silly and pedantic) < 1466981948 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually I ran into practical problems with that on mingw < 1466981958 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a macro that stringizes its argument < 1466981961 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just forgot macro functions aren't actually functions that run at compile time :) < 1466981962 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am using it like this: < 1466981971 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stringize(C:\Users\ais523) < 1466981983 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this textually becomes "C:\Users\ais523" which doesn't parse < 1466981996 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably mingw is reasoning that as \ is not a valid token, it doesn't need to escape it < 1466982021 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just putting in quotes whatever you pass as an argument < 1466982021 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh... I had not even thought about that. < 1466982083 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Not quite: < 1466982090 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still needs to escape " < 1466982093 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:01 ,cc #define stringize(x) #x \n puts(stringize(foo"bar"baz)); < 1466982093 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:01 fizzie: foo"bar"baz < 1466982096 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1466982107 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: try that with a backslash escape inside the "bar" string < 1466982133 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:02 ,cc #define stringize(x) #x \n puts(stringize(foo"bar\nquux"baz)); < 1466982136 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:02 fizzie: foo"bar\nquux"baz < 1466982145 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly what I expected < 1466982149 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and IIRC what mingw did in my tests) < 1466982159 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd escape \ inside a string literal, but not outside < 1466982161 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that c compilers are cheap these days < 1466982166 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't have to query candide < 1466982189 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but even using the -x c /dev/stdin trick < 1466982192 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The user interface is much more convenient. < 1466982192 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more typing than using a bot < 1466982194 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space Cruiser Asa has arrived at Duna! http://orenwatson.be/AsaAtDuna.PNG < 1466982210 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are these screenshots? < 1466982221 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making a candide-style script has long been on my to-do list. < 1466982242 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does a lot of stuff not entirely apparent from the above simple examples. < 1466982263 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/izabera/candide < 1466982301 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.facebook.com/mochadepressotogoplease/videos/650852988399077/ < 1466982327 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: even with those examples, it's apparent that it's doing something special wrt main < 1466982338 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I didn't realise that candide was izabera's < 1466982343 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1466982353 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :pragma- is the author < 1466982357 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: the screenshots are of a proprietary interface to a complicated and downright insane physics-engine based simulation of the interaction of solid bodies that represent liquid, solid and organic-carrying vessels for the purposes of interplanetary travel within a fictional system. < 1466982362 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd kind of want the fancy gdb integration and print-locals stuff. < 1466982376 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the actual candide is on github too < 1466982394 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(izabera: translation: the screenshots \oren\ is posting are of Kerbal Space Program.) < 1466982404 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1466982407 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :much clearer < 1466982438 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can see it in the text at the top) < 1466982469 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah written text, my old enemy < 1466982643 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I didn't know the World of Goo people had made one of them programmering games as well. < 1466982747 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:? < 1466982761 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://store.steampowered.com/app/375820/ popped up in my "queue". < 1466982768 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Wikipedia, "2D Boy" redirects to "World Of Goo" < 1466982771 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, really < 1466982784 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2D_Boy&redirect=no < 1466982844 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :world of goo is great though < 1466982862 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :human resource machine too! < 1466982877 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could redirect to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow_Corporation instead, at least. < 1466982891 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, all these programming games < 1466982897 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet I still like BF Joust best < 1466982904 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I've played a bunch of Rubicon too) < 1466982916 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the common feature between those games is that they're both based on esolangs < 1466982924 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, specific, named esolangs that existed beforehand < 1466982937 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than inventing one for the purpose of the game < 1466982941 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, basically, you like esolang-based games < 1466982953 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked TIS-100 even though it invented the language. < 1466982980 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they design a new language when there are existing well tested ones? < 1466983008 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"merged to World of Goo, developed only 1 game, all notability tied to that article" *shrugs* < 1466983027 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Tomorrow Corporation's FAQ is really useful < 1466983050 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: most esolangs aren't very well tested :-) < 1466983062 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point but still < 1466983081 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I'd say that if reading their FAQ, make sure to have "format" implemented as something which more or less emulates the DOS version (by guessing which drive letter the drives should be) < 1466983143 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, the merge predates the release of that Human Resource Factory game. < 1466983160 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3875:ad90:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1466983209 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it predate "Little Inferno"? < 1466983278 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human Resource Factory and Little Inferno both are from Tomorrow Corporation, not 2D Boy. < 1466983353 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: https://github.com/nojhan/liquidprompt ⏚ ⌁ 🕤 etc < 1466983359 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, didn't read https://2dboy.com/ carefully enough < 1466983827 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what are your thoughts on manufactoria < 1466983845 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of it < 1466983852 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to define a logical not function from f(x,y) = if x then y else 0? < 1466983887 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: you just did. < 1466983892 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1466983902 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did? < 1466983907 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, I read you wrong. < 1466983928 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you thought it said if x then x else 0? < 1466983940 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait that doesn't make sense either ^^ < 1466983955 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I thought you were asking if it was possible to define such a function as f(x,y) = if x then y else 0. < 1466983984 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of thing is x? < 1466983991 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: f(0,0) = 0 means that if all inputs are 0, you cannot ever get 1. < 1466984004 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: implausible, but i'll take your word for it < 1466984026 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need a built in not operation in f(x,y) right? < 1466984034 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: there are lots of things I haven't heard of < 1466984037 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like f(x,y) = if x then y else !y < 1466984052 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if !x then y else 0 maybe? < 1466984061 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also f(x,y) is monotonic in both arguments... another reason why this will fail. < 1466984070 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's just it seemed like the kind of thing people who hang out here would be into < 1466984086 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's been around for...five years now? more? < 1466984088 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does monotonic mean? < 1466984106 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pleasingfungus.com/Manufactoria/ < 1466984133 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Flash < 1466984149 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: x <= x' implies f(x,y) <= f(x',y) for all x,x' and y; similarly for the second argument. < 1466984171 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: If both x and y are just booleans, then f(x,y) = if x then y else 0 is just the same thing as f(x,y) = x and y. < 1466984172 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1466984218 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this actually makes a lot of sense, why do I never think any of this through ^_^ < 1466984367 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_completeness#Characterization_of_functional_completeness may offer some inspiration (though you don't need functional completeness if all you want to get out is negation; negation is affine in that terminology.) < 1466984408 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🤔 < 1466984445 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F914 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f0 9f a4 94 UTF-16BE: d83edd14 Decimal: 🤔 \ 🤔 (🤔) \ Uppercase: U+1F914 \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) \ \ U+FEFF ZERO WIDTH NO-BREAK SPACE \ UTF-8: ef bb bf UTF-16BE: feff Decimal:  \  \ Category: Cf (Other, Format) \ Bidi: BN (Boundary Neutral) < 1466984601 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, my client can render it < 1466984604 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite HackEgo not knowing what it is < 1466984627 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Unicode database used by unidecode is a couple of Unicode releases old. < 1466984640 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not specifically negation, just looking for a single instruction "processor" with the simplest possible instruction < 1466984662 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: BytePusher < 1466984680 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, the processor behind it, but you'll need the 16MiB of RAM to do much useful stuff with it < 1466984704 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, you can fit a small visual novel into 16MiB, in BytePusher, with music. (Actually the music's most of the problem.) < 1466984746 0 :moon__!~moon_@tx-76-1-74-221.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1466984747 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I take it you've tried? < 1466984757 0 :moon_!~moon_@tx-76-1-74-221.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1466984759 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: if you just want to produce circuits, nand is a popular choice. (There are only two binary operations on Booleans that are functionally complete by themselved; the other one is nor) < 1466984840 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, I didn't get around to trying to compress the music < 1466984863 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( sdeddesd ) < 1466984864 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I played music in a limited system (microcontroller, not eso) < 1466984870 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about these of course, was thinking of something either lower level such as defining a single transistor and using it as the only command, or something more high level such as a loop :) < 1466984873 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically expressed it as a list of (frequency, duration) pairs < 1466984902 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etaoin: I don't believe it's possible to do useful computations using nothing but identical transistors < 1466984909 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you either need two different sorts of transistor, or to add in resistors < 1466984914 0 :Etaoin!1f93710a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.147.113.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's talking about useful < 1466984930 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, there's such a thing as diode transistor logic, hmm < 1466984932 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed sDedDesD <<