00:10:10 Now I wrote a simple program to lease stdin; it then terminates as soon as anyone else opens the same file. (If you just type "lease" by itself, you will get an error message, because you cannot lease a terminal.) 00:16:46 To do select with absolute timer one idea I thought might be to create a pipe and then another thread or program can wait for the specified time and emit characters on the pipe once the timer expires. 00:17:07 Mmm, yes, that would work. 00:17:34 And then the select user can just know that one of the fds means "timer expired". 00:18:04 I think that one's a lot cleaner than what I suggested. 00:18:04 And it'll work with poll as well. 00:18:10 `learn Pikachu is a universal quantifier for Chu spaces. 00:18:15 Learned 'pikachu': Pikachu is a universal quantifier for Chu spaces. 00:18:26 hikhq 00:18:41 any new pooches? 00:18:51 Nah, just feelin' like I've got a drill burrowing into my head. 00:19:18 :'( 00:19:56 Nothing to be concerned about, it's just the fault of my genetics. 00:20:48 Are you sticking around in the area, speaking of which? 00:21:09 Iff I find myself hired. 00:21:09 pikhq, oh god is that cluster headaches 00:21:14 Phantom_Hoover: No. 00:21:21 phew 00:22:11 -!- spockers has joined. 00:29:57 According to wolfram|alpha, with exactly (no solutions exist) bits, you can represent any item from a set of 0 possibilities 00:35:50 Clearly it should have been Infinity bits 00:36:20 no wait, -Infinity 00:36:57 `? Cale 00:36:59 Cale? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:37:20 -!- Warrigal has changed nick to tswett. 00:43:18 Cale: Good job, brilliant math skillz 00:44:53 I just found the Hallmarks of Cancer, which are the rules that designate a tumor as malignant 00:45:21 Now I know whether calling a particular political ideology, movement, or group "cancerous" is reflective of that group 00:45:27 Yay for justifying insults with science! 00:50:53 <\oren\> wait wouldn't that mean that anything that is growing in popularity is cancerous 00:51:50 no obviously you need restructuring of the blood supply to the group as well 00:51:54 only if in doing so it dismantles established and necessary organizational structures 00:52:58 \oren\, obviously not otherwise your fingernails would be cancer 00:53:18 as would literally every tissue in a child 00:55:55 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 00:56:01 Oh, fuck this 00:56:16 According to affirmativeconsent.com under "What is affirmative consent?" 00:56:18 "Consent is to be determined from the perspective of the complainant." 00:57:09 <\oren\> I recommend reading into the case law instead 00:57:22 \oren\: It appears to actually be from case laww 00:57:43 So if someone has sex with someone else, and that person had every reason to believe that the partner was cool with- or even into- it, if the partner says that they didn't feel like they consented, then it's rape. 00:58:17 <\oren\> like I said, read the actual judgements 00:58:23 I will 00:58:41 But that seems like an obvious vector to get rid of someone you don't like- have sex with them, claim you didn't consent, get them sent to prison 00:59:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:59:34 This case is using the "39%" metric, which has been repeatedly debunked 01:00:07 Even the people who conducted the original survey that came up with the 1-in-3 number have said their survey shouldn't be used to justify laws or policies or anything, IIRC 01:00:45 The DoJ came up with a number closer to 1-in-50; still too large, but saying 1-in-3 is still a lie 01:01:16 (Apparently, it used to be 1-in-5, then it was 1-in-4, now it's 1-in-3. Soon enough, 2 out of every 1 women will get sexually assaulted in her lifetime) 01:01:24 01:02:29 <\oren\> solution: don't date crazy people? 01:04:22 \oren\: That is a pretty good metric 01:05:08 Of course, I prefer "don't stick your dick in greater quantities of crazy" to the less accurate-to-humanity "don't stick your dick in crazy" 01:29:26 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 01:31:57 What happen if both people don't consent? But the solution is easy: don't sex. 01:32:30 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:38:57 fizzie: Hey, can you give fungot a style based on bus timetables from a city where buses crash constantly? 01:38:58 hppavilion[2]: so you are waiting for a class? td fnord" fnord svg public " -//w3c//dtd html 4.01 fnord/ cdn/ fnord/ fnord/ fnord -lm " slow" 01:39:10 Oh, nevermind, looks like you already did 01:39:27 (though you fed the full HTML of the page it appears) 01:39:37 ^style 01:39:37 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 01:41:15 Also, I want to play JScrabble now 01:43:20 Who is JScrabble? 01:44:46 zzo38: It's from today's xkcd 01:45:00 zzo38: It's a Scrabble game where JS reserved words count for triple points 01:46:39 Does it multiply after all other modifier on the board then? 01:47:02 zzo38: That doesn't matter. Multiplication is commutative over the naturals. 01:47:51 I know that, but the other possibility is if it suppresses the other modifiers or something like that. 01:48:05 Oh, but double/triple letter scores might affect it... 01:48:13 Wait, maybe not 01:48:27 No, definitely 01:48:37 Ah, I don't think it does 01:50:41 Wait, but what are the rules in normal scrabble? It's possible to get both a double word score and a double letter score 01:50:53 Well, I suppose you have to apply double word score second 01:52:26 -!- iaglium has joined. 01:54:07 Oh... Oh god 01:54:07 http://er.jsc.nasa.gov/seh/ricetalk.htm 01:54:11 Nasa, what are you doing? 01:54:19 (then again, that might be some sort of archive subdomain) 02:02:46 <\oren\> See and hear the entire speech for 56K modem download [8.7 megabytes in a .asf movie format which requires Windows Media Player 7 (speech lasts about 33 minutes)]. 02:02:54 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 02:03:36 <\oren\> I have WMP version12 02:04:33 <\oren\> hppavilion[2]: what's wrong with that page though??? 02:05:05 \oren\: It clearly predates the speech itself 02:07:34 <\oren\> what do you think of my dad's website: http://math.yorku.ca/~watson/ 02:08:42 <\oren\> notice that the text is pink and the bacground is teal 02:13:05 <\oren\> see! he knows some modern html! 02:14:00 You usually should not alter the colours from the user settings. Unfortunately this does not provide any standard way to do reverse-video (although Mozilla has an extension to support this). 02:14:41 But what you should not ever to do is altering the foreground but not background or vice-versa. 02:17:48 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 02:28:02 -!- adu has joined. 02:41:28 -!- xkapastel has joined. 03:42:40 -!- augur has joined. 03:43:55 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:45:08 -!- augur has joined. 04:02:48 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 04:05:36 hppavilion[2]: What happen if it is a JS reserved word that is not already a valid word of Scrabble game? (Since, some might not be) 04:08:41 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 04:11:29 Isn't it annoying when somebody gets a cube with distinct sides where the sides always follow a particular pattern wrong? 04:14:03 I don't know 04:20:19 I just found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cetaceans 04:20:39 In the tables, if a picture is missing, it says "Cetacean Needed" 04:21:58 that's amazing 04:28:18 -!- moon_ has joined. 04:39:41 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:45:27 Does the IUCN Red List include dinosaurs in their 'extinct' list? 05:00:21 Wow, explainxkcd has brought down their incomplete article list a LOT 05:26:01 I should get around to playing geoguessr, I guess 05:31:29 hppavilion[2]: Well, there are certainly at least some dinosaurs that would make the extinct list. 05:31:35 "Hundreds of replicas of the Statue of Liberty have been created worldwide. At least one is the same size as the original; others are all smaller." 05:31:39 I sense a challenge 05:31:45 (wikipedia) 05:31:57 (Wikipedia et. al.) 05:32:18 Tip, all birds are dinosaurs by any reasonable definition of the term. :) 05:32:48 pikhq: True, true 05:33:10 pikhq: Unless the definition includes "lived before modern homonids" 05:33:20 *lived and died 05:33:41 Yeah, um, that's pretty unreasonable. 05:33:56 (and includes many birds. :P) 05:35:05 pikhq: Yeah, but at least it doesn't include e.g. ravens 05:35:19 I fail to see why that's a desirable property. 05:35:39 pikhq: Because ravens are smarter than dinosaurs, obv. 05:35:48 But the Wikipedia et al. challenge, of course, is to make a /larger/ replica of the SoL 05:40:46 "The statue is an icon of freedom and of the United States, and was a welcoming sight to immigrants arriving from abroad." 05:40:47 "was" 05:41:47 Immigrants don't generally make landfall at Ellis Island anymore. 05:48:14 SoL? 05:48:17 Oh 05:53:46 hppavilion[2]: is the challenge for someone to build one that's bigger? 05:54:30 quintopia: Yes, of course. That's what I said. 05:55:10 oh, well there was such a gap between your mentioning and then explicitly saying it, i just gave up and assumed you never did 05:56:12 -!- hppavilion[2] has changed nick to hppavilion[1]. 06:00:26 Has the Unicode Consortium gotten around to snakes yet? 06:01:36 are you looking forward to seeing snakes on a unicode? 06:05:29 <\oren\> Is there a "bag of weed" emoji yet? 06:06:41 i mean, there's a leaf, right? i think? 06:07:19 <\oren\> there's a leaf and a "maple leaf" too 06:07:31 <\oren\> but no "marijuana leaf" 06:09:24 <\oren\> there's a snake emoji 06:09:58 why is microsoft's alembic emoji so stylized as to be unrecognizable 06:11:18 http://emojipedia.org/maple-leaf/ LG's is like halfway between maple and hemp 06:12:52 this is a fun category: http://emojipedia.org/festivus/ 06:13:00 <\oren\> the alembic wasn't originally an emoji 06:13:46 <\oren\> it's one of the ones that becomes an emoji by a varation selector 06:16:15 <\oren\> ⚗ 06:18:54 <\oren\> ⚗ 06:21:23 Unicode is actually a mess. 06:22:06 <\oren\> ⚗️ 06:34:15 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:36:12 I had an idea for a browser game designed to make a point about political correctness 06:36:15 It's called "Not Racist" 06:36:26 <\oren\> Apparently I'm wrong about ALEMBIC 06:36:37 <\oren\> http://www.unicode.org/Public/UCD/latest/ucd/StandardizedVariants.html 06:36:52 It gives you a rather specific race (like "Phillipino" (sp)) and 3-5 pictures of people of that race and you have to click the correct answer 06:37:27 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 06:38:11 It calibrates which images to use based on the ones most commonly clicked instead of the right answer (so if it says "asian", the options will generally not include someone with very, very dark skin) 06:38:32 <\oren\> * "Filipino" 06:40:15 how do i find a certain string of bytes in a binary file? 06:40:58 let me rephrase that 06:41:25 i have a shell and no c compiler and i need to find that 06:41:25 <\oren\> Wikipedia has ceased showing a set of pictures of people in articles about ethnic groups... 06:41:45 http://unicode.org/L2/L2016/16160-emoji-professions.pdf 06:41:48 grep -boF ;# and be advised that this will work with GNU grep but may not with other greps (that choke on binary files) 06:42:05 Really, UC? Emoji don't need to include every image ever 06:42:47 You should have separate sets of emoji to represent men and women from those representing careers- you don't need to combine them to have women in each career AND men in each career 06:42:49 That would be stupid 06:43:21 They also say "People search for women and men emoji with nearly the same frequency" when there is a blatantly higher number of people searching for men 06:43:25 Like, a LOT more 06:44:07 I would estimate 135% as many looking for "men emoji" as for "women emoji" 06:44:59 Oh, at least they're making them combining sequences rather than whole new codepoints 06:45:10 Still seems unnecessary, but it's better as this 06:47:50 But still, the idea of "focus on women in various jobs" is pretty stupid; unless you can show a blatant limitation to women getting into a job- not just there being more men in the job in general, but a discrepancy between percentage women and men hired vs. applied- I will assume that the lower percentage of women in the job is because /less women want the job/, as that's as close to the null hypothesis as I can get 06:49:25 I also find it funny that the document mentions adding the equivalents for men, but almost entirely emphasize it for women 06:50:24 Which makes no sense to me; if there aren't ones for men AND women already, what reason is there to have them? They say it's to "empower young women", but I don't think people will feel particularly empowered by there being emoji showing women in assorted professions 06:51:05 It's like saying e.g. all newspaper comics should be shown with variants with men AND women for each character 06:53:01 "We recognize the importance of having an inclusive representation of all people in emoji" so why don't you just make everything generic and neutral? Having specific emoji for various attributes of people is stupid; it's like if they decided there needs to be variants of emoji for all the different eye colors 06:54:22 Having dinosaurs seems like more of a pressing issue to me 06:54:24 06:56:26 <\oren\> Bah, who cares about emoji, I'm pissed that wikipedia seems to have decided that "what do albanians look like" isn't a valid question. 06:56:26 hppavilion[1]: Careful, you're straying dangerously far into discussing discrimination while having no idea whether or not it's an issue or to what degree. 06:58:13 i wonder if default emojis are going to work with the female modifier, too 06:58:31 and when women demand to not having male emojis the fdefault 06:58:42 <\oren\> The emoji will be resolved when font designers are no longer able to finish. 06:59:54 What is a female emoji? One with long hair? 07:00:01 <\oren\> but seriously, wikipedia is beginning to become inferior to my 1950's Britannica 07:01:06 <\oren\> due to NPOV being interpreted as PPOVI (Popular Point of View on Internet) 07:01:38 shouldn't it be PPOVOI then? 07:01:55 if you don't omit of, you shouldn't omit on either 07:02:29 <\oren\> ok PPOVOI 07:04:14 <\oren\> it is a FACT that there are visible differences between the Irish and the Japanese, and the en.wikipedia people are censoring this fact. 07:04:33 What should be instead is All-Point-Of-View. 07:05:11 \oren\: Are they not putting it in the article for belief it's not a fact, or for belief that it's not a relevant fact? 07:05:17 I strongly suspect it's the latter. 07:05:42 <\oren\> argh. "relevant" to whom? 07:05:43 (you may disagree, and also when has irrelevance of a fact stopped Wikipedia before) 07:05:52 <\oren\> or what? 07:05:54 myname: Pretty soon we're going to have ZWJ sequences for families where the parents are both men (one with skin tone 2, the other with skin tone 5) and the child is a muslim for some reason 07:06:35 As I said before, Unicode is actually a mess!! 07:06:39 (don't get me wrong, I don't have anything wrong with muslims as a whole- at least, no more relative to Christians and Jews and Hindus (that's the proper plural, right?)- but generally you don't have two non-muslim parents with a muslim child) 07:07:05 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: as I said this will be solved when font designers no longer put up with it 07:07:12 \oren\: True, true 07:07:16 `? unicode 07:07:44 Unicode is a mess invented in 1988 by Xerox, Microsoft, the Spanish Inquisition, and the evil Human Supremacy Corporation, in order to make it easier for the government to spy on Chinese people. 07:08:01 zzo38: Probably not APOV so much as ANCCPOV 07:08:01 `culprits wisdom/unicode 07:08:10 (All Not Completely Crazy Points-Of-View) 07:08:21 zzo38 07:08:30 \oren\: Where are they censoring the visual differences between the Irish and the Japanese? I want to see and laugh 07:08:47 I'm afraid that it's impossible to assert a view is not completely crazy without stepping in some deep political shit. 07:08:56 Ah, true 07:09:12 For a second there, I thought "Wouldn't it be nice if we had something like Wikipedia, but..." before I realized it's been done, but it became "conservapedia" 07:09:16 Remember, we have a political party that believes that climate change is neither human-caused nor actually happening. 07:09:17 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: go to the article "albanians" for example 07:09:47 <\oren\> they removed the gallery of images at the top which tells people what albanians generally look like 07:09:54 I think that even crazy point of view must be included, although they could be separated from the main article; this results in better text than making a mess of everything in one sentence that doesn't make sense. 07:10:16 zzo38: But what about POVs shared by only 4 or 5 individuals? 07:10:17 The scientific community is happy to state that's pretty crazy at this point, but it's certainly not thought of like that by everybody. 07:10:22 Oh, wait, this is the internet 07:10:33 <\oren\> this has been done to all articles on ethnic groups 07:10:40 pikhq: Is there a political party that believes that climate change is human-caused but isn't actually happening? 07:11:29 <\oren\> Hopefully someone can put at least some txt explaining that, for example, very pale skin, red hair and freckles are common among the Irish 07:11:36 If only five people and isn't significant then maybe it should be placed on the talk page by those people. 07:11:43 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people: an actual article :) 07:12:12 hppavilion[1]: I would firmly hope not. 07:13:00 <\oren\> Black people isn't an ethnic group though. 07:13:15 \oren\: True 07:14:46 I have look at some custom Magic: the Gathering cards that people made up that say "This card cannot die even if a card says it can". This does not prevent it from being exiled, phased out, returned to owner's hand, shuffled into owner's library, anted, countered, discarded, turned face-down, etc.... 07:14:48 Wow, the wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans doesn't have any images there specifically to get across how blacks look, and there are no color images until the 5th n-section or so 07:15:42 (It also says "destroy target player"; of course only permanents can be destroyed, not players.) 07:21:28 <\oren\> welcome to the twilight zone... 07:23:08 <\oren\> well, one solution is to read Wikipedia in a non-english language 07:27:51 I just pasted a rant on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:African_Americans. Now for the hate. 07:28:20 \oren\: Pffft. Non-english wikipedias are an April Fool's joke, aren't they? 07:28:22 Right? 07:29:16 No it is not only for April, I think? 07:30:42 <\oren\> solution: look at https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%8B%E3%82%A2%E4%BA%BA 07:30:55 \oren\: Oh, huh, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images#NOETHNICGALLERIES 07:31:11 <\oren\> Yeah and it seems to be for stupid reasons 07:31:22 <\oren\> https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/アルバニア人 07:31:55 <\oren\> Thank god for the Japanese and their resistance to political correctness 07:32:59 \oren\: I think I'll go establish Political Dontgiveafuckness 07:42:39 hppavilion[1]: That's not very political. 07:43:37 Al Qaeda referred to 9/11 by the codename "The Big Wedding", because they are the biggest assholes on the face of the earth 07:52:08 Wow, the FAA didn't start grounding planes (well, it didn't order to ground ALL planes) until after the 3 successful attacks 07:52:10 Good job, FAA 07:52:19 I thought ISIS is the biggest assholes 07:52:38 FreeFull: Eh, they're probably deeply connected to Al Qaeda 07:52:56 Didn't Al Qaeda denounce them? 07:53:46 "In February 2014, after a prolonged dispute with al-Qaeda in Iraq's successor organisation, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS), al-Qaeda publicly announced it was cutting all ties with the group, reportedly for its brutality and "notorious intractability"." 07:55:05 "Mohammed said al-Qaeda initially planned to target nuclear installations rather than the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, but decided against it, fearing things could "get out of control".[" 07:55:13 FreeFull: Oh, wow 07:55:59 ISIS is too extreme even for the extremists 07:57:01 I am not surprised of that. 07:58:38 I think someone is hiding something about the attacks on World Trade Center, but I don't know what, exactly. Maybe the US government somehow convinced them to attack World Trade Center instead of nuclear installations, for reasons of hidden motives...? 07:58:49 "New York City 911 operators who received calls from individuals inside the tower were not well informed of the situation as it rapidly unfolded and as a result, told callers not to descend the tower on their own." 07:59:28 zzo38: Aaaaaand now you're a conspiracy theorist. Your complimentary tinfoil hat will be delivered in 9-11 business days. 08:03:54 I think a tinfoil hat is not of much help; wire mesh is probably more effective, but you might need a lot more than that 08:04:27 <\oren\> So I went downstairs to look in my Britannica 08:05:47 <\oren\> Yeah, they had pictures. 08:09:57 <\oren\> It's a pity the web version of the Britannica is so stupid 08:18:00 zzo38: Pffft. REAL conspiracy theorists wear faraday cages 08:18:49 <\oren\> My aunt wore tinfoil liner under her jacket and hat for a while 08:19:43 Hm, I wonder if I could make a stylish tinfoil hat 08:19:58 <\oren\> she thought her pastor was using a microwave to mind control people or something 08:19:59 Do young conspiracy theorists in schools get to wear their tinfoil hats? 08:20:11 <\oren\> probably 08:20:25 (for those living abroad, in US schools students are banned from wearing hats because gang members also wear hats) 08:27:00 ...Huh 08:27:12 How do they ship devices used for automatically paying tolls? 08:31:04 <\oren\> presumably the device can be activated on delivery 08:31:32 "The NAACP denounces the use of both nigga and nigger." 08:31:41 \oren\: Yeah, but apparently they just put them in lead-lined bags 08:31:55 Their denouncement includes when used by black people 08:32:44 Because, of course, the NAACP has the authority to prescribe the culture and language that should be used by black people, and all black people are the same of course so anything sweeping like that is OK 08:33:25 NAACP should probably be renamed to the NAARC (National African American Regulation Center) or something like that 08:33:27 <\oren\> whatver... I'm coming to the conclusion that the entire anglosphere is probably doomed 08:36:54 \oren\: Anglosphere is a nice word 08:37:13 Why are all communities/networks of communities "spheres"? 08:37:37 I mean, wouldn't a great word for the community of minecraft players be "the Mineocube"? 08:46:37 <\oren\> マイノキュブはいいね 08:50:14 \oren\: What if neoletters used actual pictures for emoji? xD 08:52:21 * hppavilion[1] is tempted to incorporate the AAVE habitual/continuative aspect (e.g. "he be working Tuesdays") into his own grammar 08:53:00 <\oren\> I won't be doing much Emoji until the CJKwidth corrections in 9.0 are finalized 08:54:17 <\oren\> I do intend to draw them freehand from photos however, much like the flower tiles in the Mahjong block 08:55:08 <\oren\> `unicode 🀢🀣🀤🀥 08:55:24 \oren\: Ah, I was hoping you would just google the name and choose the first non-already-emoji image in the list that isn't copyright-protected xP 08:55:37 U+1F022 MAHJONG TILE PLUM \ UTF-8: f0 9f 80 a2 UTF-16BE: d83cdc22 Decimal: 🀢 \ 🀢 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+1F023 MAHJONG TILE ORCHID \ UTF-8: f0 9f 80 a3 UTF-16BE: d83cdc23 Decimal: 🀣 \ 🀣 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+1F024 MAHJONG TILE BAMBOO \ UT 08:55:55 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 08:55:59 <\oren\> nah, that would not work, because I intend to keep neoletters a monochrome font 08:58:26 Oh 08:59:39 <\oren\> Color emojis probably would not react well with terminal colors 09:06:42 -!- hwpplayer1 has joined. 09:10:26 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:14:15 Hm... has anybody made an emoji-based shell yet? 09:16:17 There are no unvoiced vowels, are there... 09:17:35 Hm, and there's no voiced equivalent of 'h' (like 'b' is the voiced 'p' and 'd' is the voiced 't') 09:18:06 Probably because voicing 'h' makes you sound retarded (in the actual, clinical sense; not in an offensive, colloquial sense) 09:24:33 <\oren\> there is a voiced h 09:25:10 Is there? 09:26:12 there is an emoji based esolang 09:26:36 <\oren\> represented by the ɣ 09:26:55 <\oren\> voiced velar fricative 09:31:17 <\oren\> apparently ɦ is a voiced glottal fricative 09:32:35 A fricative is very different from h. 09:33:15 <\oren\> is it? 09:33:49 <\oren\> I thought h is a glottal fricative 09:35:43 I was talking about the English letter h. 09:36:21 -!- oerjan has joined. 09:37:51 Hmm, maybe I'm wrong. 09:38:14 -!- hwpplayer1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 09:38:45 I guess I misunderstood what a fricative is? 09:39:03 <\oren\> in dialects that bother to actually prnounce the letter h, it's definitely some kind of hssing sound 09:39:22 <\oren\> from the back of the throat 09:40:16 "In some languages, it has the constricted manner of articulation of a fricative. However, in many if not most it is a transitional state of the glottis, with no manner of articulation other than its phonation type. Because there is no other constriction to produce friction in the vocal tract in the languages they are familiar with, many phoneticians[who?] no longer consider [h] to be a ... 09:40:22 ... fricative. However, the term "fricative" is generally retained for historical reasons." 09:40:51 fizzie: i feel vindicated tdh 09:42:10 We have spelling bees, but not pronouncing bees 09:43:55 fizzie: Really? Using inaccurate, meaningfully-descriptive scientific terms for "historical reasons"!? 09:44:08 That's like... an analogy of some sort! 09:44:15 In 'ertford, 'ereford, and 'ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly hever 'appen 09:44:54 I don't know, if we found out electrons had a positive charge (because physics) but we kept writing them as e^- for historical reasons 09:45:39 shachaf: I thought it was just "'amp" and the "shire" was added by Americans thinking all of England is a shire? 09:46:14 ("Devonshire") 09:46:22 See http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blrevocation_cleese.htm 10:10:06 `? weapons 10:10:53 weapons? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 10:11:03 `cat share/weapons 10:11:05 cat: share/weapons: No such file or directory 10:11:09 `cat shr/weapons 10:11:10 cat: shr/weapons: No such file or directory 10:11:13 `ls 10:11:15 !\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 10:11:26 `ls share 10:11:27 8ballreplies \ autowelcome_status \ awesome \ cat \ Complaints.mp3 \ conscripts \ construct_grams.pl \ delvs-master \ dict-words \ esolangs.txt \ esolangs.txt.sorted \ hello \ lua \ maimer \ maimery \ maze \ mtg \ nothp \ radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab* \ recipe \ scapegoats \ sedtest \ UnicodeData.txt \ units.dat \ user 10:11:30 `ls tmp 10:11:31 fruit \ spline \ spout \ tempcmd \ testcmd \ tmp_jonas 10:11:55 `ls etc 10:11:56 luarocks 10:12:31 `` grep -h 10:12:37 Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... \ Try 'grep --help' for more information. 10:12:41 Wait, I should probably search for help locally 10:22:01 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDGKK6y8OtQ 10:36:39 [wiki] [[Talk:Folder]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47229&oldid=44368 * Rdococ * (+282) /* Computational class up for debate */ 10:52:44 God I love https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCMQCSDW8AAGN61.png:large 10:57:37 http://i.imgur.com/AbtBGxo.jpg: Coder learned to succeed despite racism 10:57:46 Specifically, he was racist against those from Java 11:02:02 "Good on him. Race conditions are hella hard to debug." 11:08:01 Oh my god 11:08:05 @tell b_jonas oerjan, why does ? not find that entry? <-- because it auto-lowercases. 11:08:05 Consider it noted. 11:08:15 The other day, I saw "womyn" in the comment section of a YouTube video, used sarcastically 11:08:34 `cat wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR 11:08:44 oh wait 11:08:47 I assumed it was just taking rhetoric and obsession with orthography and inclusivity to the extreme 11:08:50 It was not 11:08:53 It's a real thing 11:08:54 `cat wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR 11:08:54 cat: wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR : No such file or directory 11:08:55 Who told you this? 11:09:02 oh right. 11:15:21 oerjan: Oh, a space. 11:15:34 `? group 11:15:43 groups are just loops with the property of associativity 11:16:07 `sled wisdom/group//s/./G/;s/$/./ 11:16:16 `culprits wisdom/group 11:16:45 `echo wisdom/XQEL* 11:16:51 `run echo wisdom/XQEL* 11:17:10 Remember when we didn't have sled and everything was sed -i? 11:17:15 please don't add more commands when HackEgo is already molasses 11:17:22 wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR 11:17:24 'molasses 11:17:32 'makemeasandwich 11:17:42 shachaf: how did we survive! 11:17:52 int-e ais523 shachaf elliott Taneb 11:17:55 oh i forgot the command i added 11:17:56 Are you talking to me? 11:17:58 wisdom/XQEL* 11:18:02 wisdom/group//Groups are just loops with the property of associativity. 11:18:36 `? banana 11:18:42 Bananananananana BATMAN! 11:19:19 the weird thing is that the wiki is nowhere near that slow, despite being on the same server 11:20:23 Cale: This category theory book is very poorly edited. 11:20:28 Every section has a retraction. 11:20:48 Which book? 11:20:54 * oerjan leaps onto shachaf with the vengeance of a thousand swats ------### 11:21:06 also an extra - it seems 11:21:15 ask oerjan hth 11:21:39 i think i'll pullback from this discussion. 11:21:57 That's a pretty good pun. 11:22:14 I should twit it or something. Wherever people put their puns these days. 11:22:31 `sudo 11:22:33 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: sudo: not found 11:26:25 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:33:11 <\oren\> well I assume the wiki doesn't boot Linux with every request 11:37:23 <\oren\> (this might be a wrong assumption) 11:38:30 I'm trying to come up with a parody otherkin that's crazy enough to be obvious to everybody else, but not enough to tip off the actual otherkin 11:38:53 I honestly can't think of anything crazier than what Otherkin already have, something that would be obvious it was fictional. 11:39:13 Other than just a really long list of combinations, which would be obvious to everybody 11:39:25 Or, I don't know, wikipedia-kin? 11:40:30 <\oren\> Nac mac feeglekin 11:41:30 <\oren\> (assuming you've read your Terry Pratchett) 11:44:27 Isn't it great when you come up with a clever email address and it isn't taken? 11:47:25 <\oren\> my email address is just my.name@gmail.com 11:47:48 <\oren\> wait, I'm already using my name here 11:47:56 <\oren\> oren.watson@gmail.com 11:48:14 \oren\: Does the Blue Man Group count? 11:48:37 <\oren\> omg hahaha I didn't make that connection... 11:48:49 <\oren\> perhaps they do. 11:50:32 Probably not, since they don't pretend to be scottish 11:51:00 <\oren\> right. and they don't have swords that glow to warn of approaching lawyers 11:52:38 `? associativity 11:52:57 h(th) = (ht)h 11:53:26 `learn Associativity is when h(th) = (ht)h, hth 11:53:35 Relearned 'associativity': Associativity is when h(th) = (ht)h, hth 11:54:41 `learn Associativity is when h(th) = (ht)h. 11:54:49 Relearned 'associativity': Associativity is when h(th) = (ht)h. 11:55:40 exercise: think of an operation that fulfils that but not if you distinguish the first and last h 11:56:41 do the octonions work 11:56:56 i don't remember. 11:57:37 hm no that has the equals as neighbots 11:57:39 *r 11:59:08 oh it _is_ true. 11:59:38 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexible_algebra 11:59:52 Phantom_Hoover: and for sedenions too 12:00:54 `learn Associativity means that h(th) = (ht)h, if you're flexible about it. 12:01:00 Relearned 'associativity': Associativity means that h(th) = (ht)h, if you're flexible about it. 12:03:57 I had to look up what a retraction is to get shachaf's joke, and found a great article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retracted_article_on_dopaminergic_neurotoxicity_of_MDMA 12:05:17 (I only knew that word as category theory jargon, embarrassingly...) 12:11:10 https://robjo.wordpress.com/2014/02/01/spotting-fake-otherkin-part-1-intro-and-angelkin/ is the most absurd thing I have ever seen 12:11:31 It's talking about people who ~"Want to be otherkin so badly they start to believe it's true" 12:11:42 "it let’s them feel special (without having actually earned that specialness)" 12:12:09 (You know, because otherkin actually have earned specialness by being reincarnated. Obvi.) 12:15:01 Ooor, has anybody applied Tumblr Genders and Tumblr Sexuality to religion? 12:16:04 "I'm an Akoitheist; I only believe in gods that don't think I exist because they thought they deleted the universe ages ago" 12:21:18 * oerjan recalls reading a comic book that started with the gods doing that. fortunately they missed a part. 12:23:20 so meanwhile this is perfectly hilarious http://www.wired.com/2016/06/50-million-hack-just-showed-dao-human/ 12:27:07 [wiki] [[Talk:Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47230&oldid=42463 * IAM * (+145) /* Is this a Turing tarpit? */ 12:28:26 "While Russia has more physicians, hospitals, and health care workers than almost any other country in the world on a per capita basis,[308] since the dissolution of the Soviet Union the health of the Russian population has declined considerably as a result of social, economic, and lifestyle changes;[309] the trend has been reversed only in the recent years, with average life expectancy having increased 5.2 years for males and 3.1 years 12:28:26 for females between 2006 and 2014." 12:28:42 In Soviet Russia... 12:29:06 they had rather good health care. 12:34:23 [wiki] [[Talk:Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47231&oldid=47230 * IAM * (+315) /* Funciton Tools */ new section 12:35:27 where does that akoitheism come from 12:35:38 [wiki] [[Talk:Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47232&oldid=47231 * IAM * (+122) /* Conditional returning lambda */ 12:37:08 [wiki] [[Talk:Funciton]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47233&oldid=47232 * IAM * (+68) /* Funciton Tools */ 12:37:15 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 12:38:45 <\oren\> I hate how atmospheric drag doesn't affect any craft unless they're focused 12:45:07 <\oren\> hmm I have an idea for a space strategy game 12:48:20 \oren\: Will it allow traveling to other stars and, if so, will it properly reflect the several-hundred-year travel time? 12:49:34 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: you control your spacecraft by sending programs to them, and the game server (which runs at all times) would simulate their carrying out your sent instructions 12:50:06 \oren\: Ah 12:50:15 <\oren\> It would have a very accurate physics engine, but the interface is just a website! 12:50:41 \oren\: Will it account for speed-of-light delay and require that you account for red/blueshifting in your spacecrafts' OSes? 12:50:55 <\oren\> of course 12:51:45 \oren\: Will you have to respect international treaties? 12:52:46 <\oren\> not if you don't want to! 12:54:24 <\oren\> You simply build spacecraft on your homeworld and program them. Communication, alliances, treaties, etc would be outside the game itself 12:55:59 <\oren\> although perhaps the in-game message system would be included 12:56:12 <\oren\> with light-speed delay, of course 12:57:31 Hm, why isn't there a planet mnemonic including Pluto 12:57:37 And all the other dwarf planets 13:32:15 `? programmer's google 13:32:23 programmer's google? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 13:32:36 `le/rn programmer's google/A programmer's google is equal to 10^100, or 110 13:32:42 Learned «programmer's google» 13:37:01 -!- boily has joined. 13:37:03 @metar CYQB 13:37:03 CYQB 181200Z 00000KT 30SM FEW200 16/07 A3020 RMK CI1 HAZY SLP230 13:50:31 rimaykuboillayki 13:50:55 oerjan: Is that the most impressive porthello ever? 13:51:05 i dunno? 13:52:15 oerjan: Ok? 13:52:16 goerjaniemôre! 13:52:30 I need to learn more languages to improve my porthelloing 13:52:34 that is one nice porthelllo! 13:52:48 Hm, how would we porthello if we all spoke some chinese language? 13:52:53 hppavellonmatin[1]! 13:53:24 martin? 13:53:26 Oh, matin 13:54:27 fun fact: the upcoming disney movie moana will be called oceania in italy, and she'll be called vaiana 13:54:43 because moana is the name of a famous italian pornstar 13:55:27 buongizaberano! 13:55:36 :P helloily 13:57:07 hppavilion[1]: non-latin scripthellos is a horror i have not yet fully contemplated. 13:58:20 izabera: moana lisa? 14:00:10 moana pozzi 14:03:33 oerjan: I think they fall under "Eldritch Typography" 14:05:30 Hm, just to make the world a weirder, more unnecessarily-confusing place, I'm going to tell anyone who asks that my preferred pronouns are feminine (except for the collective third person; any group including me should be referred to as "he"), but that I'm a cis male 14:07:21 what about not increasing the madness further 14:08:18 oerjan: Bah! This is #esoteric! 14:08:24 oerjan: that suggestion is inappropriate here 14:08:25 in any case, i refer the right to use gender-neutral pronouns for anyone being obnoxious. 14:08:49 hppavilion[1]: you said the world, not #esoteric. 14:09:05 oerjan: Yes, but #esoteric's goal is to conquer the outside world, is it not? 14:09:29 And become The Council of the 102(+-5 or so, 0 ops) 14:12:45 well we cannot conquer the world it it self-destructs first tdnh 14:13:59 Oooh, I can even include pronouns that are the same in english, but not in other languages 14:15:19 afk 14:15:41 Oooh, I can insist that people address me as "tu" 14:16:26 Wait, no, "vous" 14:16:46 Though "tu" is how you address God, so... 14:20:31 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:35:12 hppavilion[1]: "vous" is a little bit too impersonal jqça 15:06:03 -!- iconmaster has joined. 15:09:50 -!- iconmaster has quit (Client Quit). 15:40:05 -!- boily has quit (Quit: DATE CHICKEN). 15:43:52 -!- augur has joined. 15:47:42 The World Trade Center: Making everyone experts on structural engineering since 2001 15:50:57 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:51:37 -!- augur has joined. 16:11:54 Ultimate conspiracy: 9/11 was an attack by French aliens, and the Faroese government covered it up 16:13:04 impossible, as the theory would require france to independently achieve a military objective 16:17:06 Napoleon did well, until Russia 16:23:13 -!- moon_ has joined. 16:23:40 FreeFull, napoleon was italian! 16:24:34 Phantom_Hoover: Corsica belongs to France 16:24:46 Although he was Italian nobility 16:25:15 it was italian up until right before he was born 16:25:56 <\oren\> Wikipedia has ceased showing a set of pictures of people in articles about ethnic groups... <-- huh indeed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Images/Archive_6 16:26:33 technically italy was not a state until decades after he died hth 16:27:20 s/italian/genoese/ 16:27:42 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:39:56 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:52:09 The russian government will provide its citizens with all needs from A to backwards 'R' 16:53:12