00:00:19 <\oren\> Does anyone know a good tutorial on ptolemaic physics? 00:01:19 Doing it off-channel doesn't really solve the problem of bloating the history. 00:03:05 is Gregor not around to ask about this stuff? 00:03:36 What's "this stuff"? 00:05:04 whether the binaries are compiled from the source you have 00:05:09 <\oren\> I need a book that explains deferents, epicycles, and equants. 00:05:34 `sort 00:05:44 @google deferents epicycles equants ptolemaic physics 00:05:46 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferent_and_epicycle 00:05:47 <\oren\> ... and one that isn't in arabic, latin or greek 00:05:51 i beleive hackego has it 00:05:54 \oren\, literally wikipedia 00:06:14 No output. 00:06:18 ok yay 00:06:44 He's certainly not around *here*. I suppose he might be reachable in general, but I'm too lazy for that sort of thing. 00:07:16 <\oren\> Phantom_Hoover: doesn't explain the math or provide examples of how large the circle is for say venus. 00:07:56 anyway. the first page http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi usually covers a week or two... it would be nice if we could keep it that way. 00:08:10 the maths is easy, i guess the actual numbers might need some work 00:08:11 `` mount | paste 00:08:20 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.20494 00:09:08 <\oren\> I want to make a ptolemaic physics mod for KSP 00:09:56 <\oren\> With the real solar system bodies, but in ptolemaic "orbits" 00:12:24 http://astro.unl.edu/naap/ssm/animations/ptolemaic.swf has parameters, idk how accurate they are 00:12:51 <\oren\> that's a start 00:14:11 http://digitalcommons.kennesaw.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=ojur also lists some constants 00:14:28 (it's a pdf... strange link) 00:15:26 @google ptolomaic system constants 00:15:27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferent_and_epicycle 00:15:39 essentially what I did, though I didn't pick the first link :) 00:16:20 `append 00:16:21 /hackenv/bin/append: line 1: : No such file or directory 00:16:24 ok 00:18:06 `` rm canary; list 00:18:07 -!- ybden has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 00:18:16 how does shell take input again? 00:18:20 like in shellscripts 00:18:21 BlueProtoman fizzie hppavilion[1] Phantom_Hoover int-e b_jonas boily a`a`a`a`jo7as a`a`a`a`jo8as a`a`a`a`jo3as a`a`a`a`jo6as a`a`a`a`jo5as a`a`a`a`jo4as a`a`a`a`jo2as a`a`a`a`jo1as a`a`a`a`jonas0 a`a`a`a lambdabot chicken_jonas myname 00:18:23 fizzie: I had an idea for keeping state between HackEgo commands but it didn't work. 00:18:40 What was it 00:18:47 <\oren\> Oooh, ooh, what if I also added a "aether" between the planets? 00:19:00 \oren\, as in what? 00:19:35 you'll have to massively rewrite ksp physics if you want drag 00:20:01 oh ksp 00:20:26 <\oren\> Well, it would be a thin all-pervading atmosphere. 00:20:28 (I just realized how to expand the acronym...) 00:21:13 Wait, what? 00:21:21 BlueProtoman is highlighted up to the n for me 00:23:48 <\oren\> with an advanced jet engine you could fly a plane to the moon. 00:24:18 i suppose this could work but it'd be insanely buggy 00:24:33 <\oren\> Phantom_Hoover: Like all great mods! 00:24:36 you'd need to spend a long time working out corner cases 00:24:37 I'm afraid of the next generation of rocket engineers 00:24:46 <\oren\> lololol 00:24:59 like i think ksp's atmosphere is hardcoded to an exponential curve and a pressure cutoff 00:25:17 <\oren\> With Kopernicus you can edit that though 00:25:54 how do shellscripts take command line arguments? 00:26:04 you mean you can do non-exponential pressure curves? 00:26:32 moon_, $ for individual arguments, $_ (iirc) for the entire argument vector 00:27:49 <\oren\> Phantom_Hoover: I'm not sure, I think so 00:27:58 <\oren\> I hope so anyway 00:28:16 fizzie: hostfs is too strange hth 00:28:17 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:30:17 <\oren\> For now I'm messing around with the stock kerbol system 00:30:28 would this work? $2 >> $3 00:30:41 try it? 00:30:42 `` cat /proc/filesystems | paste 00:30:49 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.7958 00:30:51 Phantom_Hoover: $@ 00:31:03 `mk testcmd// $2 >> $3 00:31:06 testcmd 00:31:07 what's $_ then... 00:31:23 `testcmd derp derp testcmd 00:31:24 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: testcmd: not found 00:31:31 `./testcmd derp derp testcmd 00:31:31 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/testcmd: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/testcmd: cannot execute: Permission denied 00:31:38 `mkx testcmd// $2 >> $3 00:31:38 shachaf: FWIW, I seem to recall UML hostfs doesn't have any target directory limits per se, so if you did get root access in the guest, you might be able to mount more things. 00:31:40 testcmd 00:31:42 `./testcmd derp derp testcmd 00:31:42 /hackenv/testcmd: line 1: $3: ambiguous redirect 00:31:49 $_ is a perl thing 00:31:59 `./testcmd derp derp test 00:32:00 /hackenv/testcmd: line 1: $3: ambiguous redirect 00:32:03 .. 00:32:05 .-. 00:32:10 fizzie: I just wanted to mmap a file and hide some data in the page cache. 00:32:25 fizzie: But of course you don't just get the host's page as-is. 00:32:36 "When used in the text of the message, $_ expands to the ame of the current mailfile." ... from the bash manpage. Don't ask me what it means. 00:33:12 $* is like $@ except they're different when in double quotes. 00:33:17 <\oren\> I will call my mod "Karistotellian"! 00:33:44 (Actually I think I get it. But I don't think that there are many systems left that have a mail spool directory on the file system that the shell could watch...) 00:33:44 fizzie: The $@/double-quote interaction is so strange. 00:34:03 Strange, but oh-so-useful. 00:34:31 how would you do shell programming without "$@" 00:34:35 `` echo ignored > .hgignore 00:34:39 No output. 00:34:48 `` echo abc > ignored 00:34:49 No output. 00:34:55 `` cat ignored 00:34:56 abc 00:34:59 <\oren\> the atmosphere is actually a piecewise linear 00:35:00 `` hg log | grep summary: | head -n1 00:35:07 summary: ` echo ignored > .hgignore 00:35:11 fizzie: solved hth 00:35:14 <\oren\> with a lot of pieces 00:35:20 shachaf: That's *so* crummy. 00:37:24 Hmm. 00:37:30 `` rm ignored .hgignore 00:37:33 rm: cannot remove `ignored': No such file or directory 00:38:08 `` echo .hgignore > .hgignore 00:38:09 No output. 00:38:15 `` cat .hgignore 00:38:16 .hgignore 00:38:41 how would i write to a specific line with shellscript? 00:38:46 fizzie: So now you approve of HackEgo text editors, no doubt? 00:39:35 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:39:40 The one im working on already can focus on reading a line, i just need to figure out how to write a line 00:40:04 shachaf: I think you should make a standardized unversioned directory if you want to go ahead with that. 00:40:11 That's one of the great unsolved problems of computer science. 00:40:12 I just wonder what it'll break. 00:40:38 the command for readline, by the way, would be 'med rl ' 00:40:43 `med 00:40:44 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: med: not found 00:40:48 just checking, and yay 00:41:01 (The reset-redo-commit cycle is so complicated.) 00:41:22 `` echo ishare > .hgignore 00:41:25 No output. 00:41:30 i,i echo ibin >> .hgignore 00:41:50 `` mkdir ishare 00:41:51 No output. 00:41:55 `` echo papaya > ishare/fruit 00:41:56 No output. 00:42:15 `cat ishare/fruit 00:42:16 papaya 00:42:30 did hackego get fast? 00:42:36 what happened 00:42:52 idk 00:43:05 `` echo test > canary 00:43:06 im making a basic text editor for hackego, so i have not been paying attention 00:43:08 No output. 00:43:15 `cat ishare/fruit 00:43:16 papaya 00:43:22 `type ed 00:43:22 `rm canary 00:43:23 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: type: not found 00:43:24 No output. 00:43:27 `cat ishare/fruit 00:43:27 ``type ed 00:43:30 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `type: not found 00:43:31 papaya 00:43:35 `` type ed 00:43:36 ed is /bin/ed 00:43:40 moon_: ^ 00:43:46 `ed 00:43:53 ed is interactive 00:44:06 you launched an interactive process 00:44:08 oh, it wont work with the timelimit and the limitations 00:44:16 No output. 00:44:17 hackego has a timelimit now 00:44:21 dont worry :P 00:44:26 it always had 00:44:34 afaik 00:44:39 egobot had some kind of daemons 00:44:40 ah, thought you didnt know *confusing self* 00:44:52 ages ago. 00:44:58 mine is less interactive and more straight forward 00:45:31 `` mv ishare ignored; echo ignored > .hgignore 00:45:34 mv: cannot stat `ishare': No such file or directory 00:45:40 ie 'med il 11 'this is a line insert'' 00:45:53 `? i,i 00:45:55 i,i? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:47:03 this should work, right? sed -i '${NUM}i\${DATA}' 00:48:26 sed -i "$num a $data" and if $data contains newlines you have to escape them 00:48:48 `` echo $'syntax: regexp\n.*' > .hgignore 00:48:50 No output. 00:49:19 it's probably easier to just use { sed 17q; echo new content here; sed 1,17d; } < input > output 00:49:50 could you write that out to use arguments? 00:50:44 shachaf: Isn't that a bit, I don't know, broad? 00:51:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:51:21 also, ia, how would i make a argument select the right line in that code? 00:51:22 add_after_line () { { sed "$1q"; echo "$2"; sed "1,$1d"; } < "$3" > /tmp/tmp; mv /tmp/tmp "$3"; } 00:51:41 fizzie: I'm surprised that change didn't get ignored. 00:51:44 I probably did it wrong. 00:52:27 `` echo test > share/test 00:52:28 No output. 00:52:40 I guess not. 00:54:56 Well, feel free to revert if you want to change something. 00:55:35 wow, .hgignore 00:55:50 oerjan: I know, right?! 00:55:55 i,i echo .hgignore >> .hgignore 00:56:40 16:38 `` echo .hgignore > .hgignore 00:57:32 oerjan: what does "i,i" mean when you say it twh 00:57:55 `ls 00:57:58 !\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ fuck \ good \ hw \ ibin \ ignored \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ logs \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ testcmd \ theorems \ tmflry \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 00:58:16 `med rl 1 testcmd 00:58:17 /hackenv/bin/med: line 28: syntax error near unexpected token `fi' \ /hackenv/bin/med: line 28: `fi' 00:58:21 ?? 00:58:45 ... 00:58:57 all the if ... fi's are matched up 00:59:21 No, they're not. 00:59:28 ? 00:59:30 what did i miss? 00:59:35 The last top-level if isn't closed; and it's missing a bunch of 'then's. 00:59:52 oh, lol 01:01:05 fizzie: See, I don't think it was all that broad. 01:01:44 shachaf: Well... but the problem is, changing it now will erase all the work done since then. 01:02:28 `? i,i 01:02:29 i,i? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 01:02:50 `learn i,i i,i is meaningless hth 01:02:52 Learned 'i,i': i,i i,i is meaningless hth 01:03:13 i fixed it, but its still complaining 01:03:17 about that 1 fi 01:03:26 oerjan: It has a similar meaning to . o O, I think. 01:03:42 shachaf: i did waver a bit between them. 01:03:56 anyone able to fix that? im still no good at shellscript 01:04:00 As far as I can tell, it's still missing a majority of thens. 01:04:03 but it's not exactly the same, i think. 01:04:18 Oh, I didn't see them. 01:04:26 I wasn't expecting them to be on a *different line*. 01:04:34 fizzie: Hmm, one use for hgignore would be fetching a big file like GHC. 01:04:56 Why dont we? 01:05:15 fizzie: How are you seeing the file? 01:05:29 shachaf: I'm cheating. 01:05:55 (As in, looking at it on the host.) 01:06:07 could you fix it for me, fizzie? im still terrible at shellscript 01:06:15 fizzie: I figured. 01:06:55 moon_: fizzie said you shouldn't even be doing it. 01:07:02 .-. 01:07:08 `med 01:07:10 /hackenv/bin/med: line 31: syntax error near unexpected token `fi' \ /hackenv/bin/med: line 31: `fi' 01:08:33 The []s need some space to breathe, is one thing. 01:09:37 Ok, done in my copy, what else? 01:09:54 "filename = $3" is not an assignment. 01:10:28 (It would try to run a command called "filename".) 01:10:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:10:47 @google "i,i" "i have no point, i just" 01:10:49 http://touch.amirite.com/229878-youd-be-skeptical-if-an-atheist-or-agnostic-told-you-that-they-want-to-raise-their-children-as 01:10:49 Title: You'd be skeptical if an atheist or agnostic told you that they want to raise... 01:11:03 Hmm, that's not right. 01:11:29 @google "i have no point, i just * to say" 01:11:30 https://twitter.com/_ashfall_/status/706887040986525696 01:11:51 The ap command would also try to execute the given argument as a command, which may or may not be intentional. 01:11:59 hm 01:12:30 could you preform the fixes, because i dont get exactly what to do 01:12:43 i can learn off of the fixed code 01:16:23 So if your working on it, thanks fizzie 01:16:39 ...didn't github's comment box use to allow you to resize it? 01:17:23 i found a bad file 01:17:28 `culprits fuck 01:17:33 lolyouthinkimrea 01:17:40 .. 01:17:58 `rm fuck 01:18:01 No output. 01:19:04 i can only see 5 lines at a time now :( 01:19:20 Why? 01:19:55 because that's how big github's comment box is. 01:19:55 fizzie: Hmm, when you rm .hgignore, all the changes will be committed at once, right? 01:20:00 shachaf: Nope. 01:20:10 Is that because of the strange commit process? 01:20:18 shachaf: Writes happen by cleaning up the repository to a pristine state, then rerunning the command currently being processed. 01:20:19 Right, I remember now. 01:20:21 It does it twice. 01:20:49 Fizzie, could you clean up the code for med? i want to learn off of a functional copy of it 01:20:53 Wait, but why did it keep an ignored file earlier after I committed? 01:21:17 `med 01:21:19 /hackenv/bin/med: line 31: syntax error near unexpected token `fi' \ /hackenv/bin/med: line 31: `fi' 01:21:44 moon_: I'm a bit hesitant because I still don't think it's a good idea in general, but http://sprunge.us/KQie is after one pass of general (untested) cleanups. 01:22:11 Ah, thanks 01:23:32 * oerjan ponders kicking people randomly until someone answers the question, and wonders if he might need some sugar. 01:24:09 i decided to test it rl (readline) doesnt output 01:24:31 oerjan: Which question? 01:24:49 Oh, about the history of github's comment box? 01:24:52 yeah 01:25:18 i didn't notice it was this awkward last time i tried to write a comment. 01:25:32 oerjan: Mine still allows resizing. 01:25:35 I'm testing in Firefox. 01:25:37 moon_: Oh, =~ also needs [[ .. ]] instead of [ .. ]. 01:25:47 i'm wondering if they broke it with that "Attach files" message 01:25:49 shachaf: oh. 01:25:52 hm 01:25:53 There's a little thing at the bottom-right corner. 01:26:07 It's only vertical resizing, though, not horizontal. 01:26:18 well it's vertical i need. 01:26:18 fizzie, how would i make rl print? 01:26:23 its suppost to print the line 01:26:49 moon_: http://sprunge.us/DMCj works for me: http://sprunge.us/VeDi 01:27:01 oerjan: Another way I can resize it is by right-clicking, and clicking "inspect element", and then changing the CSS "height" attribute. 01:27:04 hth 01:27:46 *sigh* i could do that. 01:28:09 Or you could kick people randomly. 01:28:11 oerjan: By the by, your i,i wisdom entry also fell victim to .hgignore. 01:28:21 fizzie: darn 01:28:27 maybe it was for the best. 01:28:36 `? i,i 01:28:37 i,i i,i is meaningless hth 01:28:43 It's there, sure, but not committed. 01:28:50 `culprits wisdom/i,i 01:28:52 well nothing new 01:28:54 No output. 01:29:22 fizzie: [20:29] `med rl 4 bin/med [20:29] No output. 01:30:04 `cat i,i 01:30:06 cat: i,i: No such file or directory 01:30:11 `cat wisdom/i,i 01:30:12 i,i i,i is meaningless hth 01:30:18 moon_: That's because you're providing it only one argument. 01:30:24 i,i i,i is meaningless hth 01:30:27 hth 01:30:31 `` med rl 4 bin/med 01:30:32 if [ "$1" == "rl" ]; then 01:30:34 oh woops! 01:30:42 oerjan: Oh, is the joke that you wrote a double hth on that line? 01:31:09 shachaf: no 01:31:20 OK. 01:31:24 ¿Understands everyone what I just said? 01:31:38 I wonder if I should just remove hgignore and do a sneaky sidechannel commit to restore normality. 01:32:17 please don't be sneaky hth 01:32:22 fizzie: wait, are you saying rm .hgignore might destroy everything? 01:32:24 it's not fair since no one else can be sneaky 01:32:41 oerjan: No, just everything edited since it was added. 01:32:46 `` mv .hgignore hgignore; hg status; mv hgignore .hgignore 01:33:01 ! .hgignore \ ? bin/med \ ? hgignore \ ? ignored/fruit \ ? share/test \ ? wisdom/i,i 01:33:09 Those things. 01:33:39 (Because the repository cleanup would remove exactly those files, and then try rerunning the given command again.) 01:33:40 OKAY 01:33:40 I don't think those things merit sneakiness. 01:34:02 Perhaps not. I'd probably break something if I tried to be sneaky. 01:34:24 `` med il 1 'Here is a demo' testcmd 01:34:26 No output. 01:34:28 `cat testcmd 01:34:30 $2 >> $3 \ Here is a demo 01:34:45 `` med il 1 'Note the fact the text is overwritten' testcmd 01:34:47 No output. 01:34:48 `cat testcmd 01:34:49 $2 >> $3 \ Note the fact the text is overwritten 01:37:45 Yes, I think izabera's command line was expecting to read the input file twice, but then fed it in as a single input to the entire series of commands. 01:38:19 I wanted it to do that 01:38:26 who summons me 01:38:30 oh it's fizzie 01:38:34 `` { sed 1q; echo "insert a line"; cat; } < testcmd 01:38:34 $2 >> $3 \ insert a line \ Note the fact the text is overwritten 01:38:36 y u wake me up 01:38:47 OH GOD I'M DUMB 01:39:17 { sed 17q /dev/stdin; echo line; sed 1,17d /dev/stdin; } < foo 01:39:23 sorry about that 01:39:33 i is stupid 01:40:42 Huh, I wouldn't have thought of that. 01:40:54 (I'd've just had sed < foo; echo; sed < foo.) 01:41:14 that's also fine 01:42:39 -!- primo has joined. 01:42:59 Now I did write the "ffbit" program. It can be use with Famicom, BytePusher, and whatever else you might use with 01:43:32 -!- primo has left. 01:43:54 (Some formats supported in "bitff" are not yet implemented in "ffbit", although I may add it later) 01:47:43 Why do we have an .hgignore file? 01:47:57 to ignore things 01:48:22 * izabera feels helpful 01:49:21 `med il 1 'Because we do, tsweet' testcmd 01:49:22 No output. 01:49:29 `cat testcmd 01:49:30 $2 >> $3 \ Note the fact the text is overwritten 01:49:34 ? 01:49:41 `` med il 1 'Because we do, tsweet' testcmd 01:49:43 oops 01:49:44 No output. 01:49:45 `cat testcmd 01:49:46 $2 >> $3 \ Because we do, tsweet 01:57:01 tswett: shachaf added one as a clever/sneaky way of doing unversioned state, and then broadened it up to .* for reasons. 01:57:25 oerjan: The magic was in you all along? <-- wat? 01:57:34 fizzie: were they good reasons 01:58:12 oerjan: I have to assume they were, because they're beyond me. 01:58:17 `cat .hgignore 01:58:18 syntax: regexp \ .* 01:58:18 ic 01:58:29 Is it just me, or are we ignoring everything? 01:58:37 shocking, isn't it 01:59:46 Why do we want unversioned hackego? 01:59:56 fizzie: Right now I think this ignore file is turning out pretty useful. 02:00:08 moon_: so that we can have temporary files without cluttering history. 02:00:25 Ah 02:00:27 Oh, good thinking. 02:00:42 shachaf: indeed, it has already discouraged me from adding another wisdom. 02:00:46 tip: add med and medexp to it, i update them 02:00:55 oerjan: I meant the thinking of renaming ignored/ to tmp/ 02:00:58 `` mv ignored tmp 02:00:59 No output. 02:01:14 oerjan: But your wisdoms are great. 02:01:43 shachaf: well choose your poison. 02:01:55 My position is: More oerjanwisdom. 02:02:08 But all these med edits aren't useful. 02:02:49 So do the latter in your fancy new tmp/? 02:02:57 In fact my full position might be a little bit too rude to say here. 02:05:05 moon_: um "temporary" means scratch data for commands, not the actual commands... we _do_ want to see commands that edit permanent files. 02:05:32 Ok 02:05:43 I didnt move anything there 02:05:46 `ls tmp 02:05:47 fruit 02:05:53 well then :P 02:05:59 oerjan: To be clear: Are you saying that when someone runs a command like that, we want to see it in the repository history? 02:06:25 Or are you saying that we think it would improve the repository to include more commands that can edit permanent files? 02:06:30 oerjan, med is a file editor, do you think it would be useful? 02:06:56 moon_: i don't know. how does it improve upon sed -i 02:06:58 `med rl 1 tmp/fruit 02:06:59 No output. 02:07:04 ? 02:07:07 `` med rl 1 tmp/fruit 02:07:08 papaya 02:07:10 oerjan: I meant doing the "development" in tmp, then moving the final product into bin. 02:07:12 it can preform edits 02:07:18 Ah 02:07:30 `mv bin/medexp tmp/medexp 02:07:30 fizzie: oh well i guess 02:07:30 mv: missing destination file operand after `bin/medexp tmp/medexp' \ Try `mv --help' for more information. 02:07:36 `` mv bin/medexp tmp/medexp 02:07:36 No output. 02:07:54 `med is generally a working version 02:08:18 moon_: however, right now _everything_ is ignored. 02:08:32 so? 02:08:33 but presumably someone non-retired will fix that at some point. 02:08:40 shhhh 02:08:51 *points to shachaf* 02:09:33 look 02:09:40 `` echo '^tmp/' 02:09:41