< 1464048154 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464048542 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to get to 2^20 trials, then pick those parameters and paste :) < 1464048575 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much state do your prisoners have? < 1464048581 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :two counters < 1464048607 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counters that go up to N? < 1464048659 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is unbounded, but it shouldn't hurt much if it gets truncated at some constant multiple of N anyway. < 1464048862 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two counters? interesting < 1464048883 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-223-204.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464048983 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we have a winner, http://sprunge.us/JgAh < 1464049007 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1464049107 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's further room for tweaking but it'll become messy) < 1464049155 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1464049305 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the purpose of `dark'? < 1464049331 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started out as a counter that counted how often the room was dark since the last light... < 1464049378 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still related to that, but basically it acts as a weight that determines how much the prisoner acts as a count. < 1464049394 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no good intuition for how this works! < 1464049397 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a proof that this never gets stuck? < 1464049412 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(given that it completed 1048576 runs w/o getting stuck, it seems like it must be very unlikely) < 1464049445 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the light bulb is off, all 'dark' counters increase, so eventually one of the tokens > 1+dark tests must fail. < 1464049454 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1464049455 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tokens keep moving and it'll terminate with probability 1. < 1464049457 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair nuff < 1464049490 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :handwaving, but that's one aspect I do understand well enough to be confident about it < 1464049491 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1464049509 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1464049618 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do your dark-tracking-to-determine-whether-I-count stuff; we share two optimizations; and I have one optimization you don't < 1464049620 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1464049632 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there's a second aspect to it that's more subtle: as long as all dark counters are big, the same token will be passed on and on until one of the counters becomes small enough to be kept. < 1464049688 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not all counters can become large. < 1464049770 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm, oh, I totally misunderstood your strategy < 1464049788 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so depending on your dark-counter you either give try to tokens away or to accept them? < 1464049830 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1464049832 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Alas. < 1464049832 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz QUIT :Quit: Bai. < 1464049874 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1464049891 0 :feliks!Pvoqql6Ok4@unaffiliated/feliks JOIN :#esoteric < 1464049892 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. how do you know this can't somehow endlessly slosh back and forth between two prisoners? < 1464049938 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1464049942 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I suppose the randomness of the warden prevents that < 1464049948 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it definitely can do that. but it's also possible that some prisoner will never be called to the room < 1464049969 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I thought probability 1 assuming a random warden is good enough. < 1464049969 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's an unavoidable problem :P < 1464049972 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1464049981 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probability 1 assuming random warden was my intended interpretation < 1464049985 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja JOIN :#esoteric < 1464050330 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-223-204.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1464050650 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1464050906 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, there's another thing... good for shaving off about 600 rounds < 1464051028 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464051339 0 :Hooloo42!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1464051525 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rntz: so final version for tonight: http://sprunge.us/OWPH < 1464051669 0 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric < 1464051872 0 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1464051891 0 :devhydraz!matheus@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1464051892 0 :devhydraz!matheus@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1464051892 0 :devhydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz JOIN :#esoteric < 1464051938 0 :devhydraz!?@? NICK :hydraz < 1464052021 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: aha, you found my optimization, I think < 1464052030 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the dropped/accepting code) < 1464052072 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, perhaps, remembered... < 1464052090 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Did you publish a paper about this or something? < 1464052115 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're referenced in https://www.math.washington.edu/~morrow/336_11/papers/yisong.pdf < 1464052200 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a paper; the reference is from the Dehaye/Ford/Segerman paper, "Newsgroup rec.puzzles, available through http://groups.google.com, July 2002" < 1464052234 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1464052271 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.puzzles/zkzEEfzqtis/w3pR8g1TJmEJ < 1464052307 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. That sounds like an interesting problem < 1464052329 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "sortfly" < 1464052330 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "florsty" < 1464052333 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rntz: anyway I'm fairly happy now... it's getting quite close to the 10418 number that you get by assigning a dedicated count. < 1464052344 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-duavyqzsbnmryqup JOIN :#esoteric < 1464052390 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rntz: also I'm interested in your strategy now < 1464052608 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1464052622 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that looks right < 1464052658 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is wrong with it? < 1464052684 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With what? < 1464052715 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-120-181.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : I like 1040 ← yes, it is very truthy < 1464052740 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1464052809 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ngjkwvypagsiehzc JOIN :#esoteric < 1464052915 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the deadline for 1040 was apr 15 hth < 1464053018 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 1040 < 1464053026 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-120-181.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok < 1464053032 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1040? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464053042 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, why shouldn't we all know about US tax forms... < 1464053187 0 :wibblewobble!~wibblewob@yakamo.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1464053193 0 :wibblewobble!~wibblewob@yakamo.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464053643 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1464053902 0 :wibblewobble!~wibblewob@yakamo.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1464053940 0 :wibblewobble!~wibblewob@yakamo.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464054191 0 :wibblewobble!~wibblewob@yakamo.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1464054199 0 :wibblewobble!~wibblewob@yakamo.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464054654 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1464055315 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464055871 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rgpflqhqnohtkvjf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1464056372 0 :wibblewobble!~wibblewob@yakamo.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1464056382 0 :wibblewobble!~wibblewob@yakamo.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464056426 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : you were way ahead of your time <-- if it's the story i think, this is quite appropriate hth < 1464056463 0 :wibblewobble!~wibblewob@yakamo.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1464056481 0 :wibblewobble!~wibblewob@yakamo.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464056492 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan < 1464056523 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you thinking of _Story of Your Life_ < 1464056529 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: naturally < 1464056546 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!~wibblewob@yakamo.org$##fixyourconnection < 1464056564 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like someone wibble-wobbled a little too much < 1464056568 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1464056573 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan < 1464056648 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i was assuming that one story would be included in the book. < 1464056657 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is included < 1464057317 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Have you read his other stories? < 1464057320 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're TG. < 1464058614 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1464058665 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well maybe i should send you a copy of the book instead hth < 1464058839 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-223-204.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464059056 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Oh, "Soon to be a major motion picture". That's why there's a new edition. < 1464059088 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: so you'd better hurry up and read it if you want to stay ahead of the hipster curve hth < 1464059664 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what book < 1464059748 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Stories of Your Life and Others_ by Ted Chiang < 1464059898 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: twnh hth < 1464059912 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would now help? < 1464059951 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits shachaf with the saucepan ===\__/
< 1464059957 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'm hungry. < 1464059972 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad you use your saucepan for hitting rather than for sauce < 1464059994 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't cook much. < 1464060018 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :======\ / < 1464060020 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : \__/ < 1464060127 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I always figured the saucepan was a skillet. < 1464060135 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess it's actually a saucepan. < 1464060163 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I thought that because of your skill at hitting people with it. < 1464061210 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-065-238-099.088.065.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1464061255 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-065-238-099.088.065.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464061409 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-078-250-143.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1464061451 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-223-204.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1464061629 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1464061774 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, somehow there seem to be problem with this internet today and restarting the router fixed it, hopefully it is OK by now. < 1464061805 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ping timeout did display on my computer though before it stopped; I did not get a connection error. < 1464062045 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-223-204.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464062844 0 :primo!~primo@122.155.138.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464063435 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464064141 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-223-204.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1464068092 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am looking at the EM computer architecture it looks good so far < 1464068230 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :EM? < 1464068316 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the letters stand for. < 1464068363 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is described in a report titled "DESCRIPTION OF A MACHINE ARCHITECTURE FOR USE WITH BLOCK STRUCTURED LANGUAGES". < 1464068812 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464068948 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a virtual machine code and does not require any particular floating point representation. < 1464070473 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-slepervcddpyflbi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1464070521 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rlxooruqyvzhcrvm JOIN :#esoteric < 1464070533 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1464070564 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spämmi < 1464070707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently making up finnish-sounding words works retroactively, who knew) < 1464070759 0 :primo!~primo@122.155.138.138 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1464070872 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1464071049 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1464073152 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1464074114 0 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oglrqxpetixqiqzf QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1464074283 0 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aaiabswkczwsnbye JOIN :#esoteric < 1464074661 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464074781 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1464074856 0 :yorick!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1464074856 0 :yorick!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Changing host < 1464074856 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1464075170 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1464076646 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name intervene < 1464076649 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name confound < 1464076665 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confound \ 1U \ Instant \ Counter target spell that targets one or more creatures. \ Draw a card. \ PS-C < 1464076665 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intervene \ U \ Instant \ Counter target spell that targets a creature. \ UL-C < 1464077174 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1464077521 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1464077739 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-duavyqzsbnmryqup QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1464079182 0 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1464079237 0 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1464079735 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464080498 0 :infinitymaster!~infinitym@c-67-201-229-54.reshall.wwu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1464080536 0 :infinitymaster!~infinitym@c-67-201-229-54.reshall.wwu.edu QUIT :Client Quit < 1464081204 0 :caradow!?@? NICK :carado < 1464081564 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, I missed a key optimization yesterday... now I get fewer than 11200 rounds for the prisoners. < 1464081599 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bragging was urgent... details later :-P) < 1464084609 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1464085111 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1464085173 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464086534 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rntz, shachaf: http://sprunge.us/UETC ... I also added comments. < 1464087721 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1464087912 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464088490 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, if somebody's already been to the room, you can become a donor < 1464088496 0 :rntz!~rntz@96.95.216.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1464089214 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1464089374 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1464089374 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1464090993 0 :atriq!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1464091002 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1464092053 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. how many exams today? < 1464092138 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zlorgkvlmlbhvogt JOIN :#esoteric < 1464092351 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome xkapastel < 1464092369 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07xkapastel: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09EFnet 02or 06DALnet.) < 1464092611 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: TRIANGULAR CHICKEN < 1464097603 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1464097678 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1464098190 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? impossible < 1464098192 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rhyme < 1464098213 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhyme? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464098213 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464098569 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stvzihxsvzrnnrkz JOIN :#esoteric < 1464099341 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1464100974 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in M:tG, do you happen to know why Intervene and Confound are templated differently? As far as I can tell, the first abilities are functionally identical and there's no reason for them to have different wording. < 1464101470 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1464101926 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1464101967 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`xkcdwhatiflist < 1464101968 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: xkcdwhatiflist: not found < 1464102098 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1464103944 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mtg < 1464103945 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtg? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464103951 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? magic: the gathering < 1464103953 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic: the gathering? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464103956 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? m:tg < 1464103958 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :m:tg? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1464103963 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this bot case-sensitive? < 1464104184 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think bin/? is. < 1464104238 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? MAgiC < 1464104240 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The magic was in you all along. < 1464104243 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks case-insensitive to me. < 1464104526 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464104557 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :*.net *.split < 1464104557 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1464104557 0 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1464104557 0 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1464105212 0 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1464106968 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464108018 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1464108018 0 :hydraz!matheus@unaffiliated/demhydraz JOIN :#esoteric < 1464108018 0 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1464108018 0 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464108813 0 :f10d4!~f10d4|sun@solaris.unsoft.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1464109027 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must realy like brainfuck, as I've written at least 3 compilers and 2 interpreters for it over 5 different PLs. < 1464109069 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is like othello: it's simple to compile it, but to master compiling it is difficult... < 1464109158 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you actually write programs in it? < 1464109493 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Someone wrote a compiler in it, so it's possible. https://github.com/matslina/awib < 1464109510 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally wrote a cat program in it. < 1464109522 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say someone < 1464109524 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said you < 1464109858 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Depends on how complicated the program is. < 1464109896 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program that doubles a number i entered in base 10 < 1464109990 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Then yes. < 1464110008 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then makes a coffee < 1464110134 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Only if I add a compiler extension, but then it wouldn't follow the standard. < 1464110184 0 :f10d4!~f10d4|sun@solaris.unsoft.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1464110258 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong... < 1464110273 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pipe the output of the program to /dev/coffeemachine < 1464110320 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: But then you'd be programming in some derivative of sh. < 1464110330 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaa < 1464110353 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sh would simply connect the programs together. Pipes themselves are language-independant < 1464110384 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all sh would be doing is initializing the environment < 1464110400 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if initializing the environment counts, < 1464110410 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then as the console is also given to the program by sh... < 1464110421 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really win ^.^; < 1464110441 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're init < 1464110453 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case the environment is "initialized" by... the linux kernel. < 1464110493 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the OpenBSD kernel, or the FreeBSD kernel, or... you get the point. < 1464110531 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't even win with bare-metal assembly - the environment is initialized by the processor and/or BIOS. < 1464110570 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPGAs? The programmer & circuit board. A bunch of transistors? The arrangement counts as an initialized environment... < 1464110611 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda-11235: What you're programming in is relative. < 1464110976 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Unfortunately I don't have /dev/coffee installed, or a coffee machine for that matter. < 1464111030 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case, the nature of pipes means you can simply swap out /dev/coffee for the NetHack /dev/coffee Implementation Patch. < 1464111043 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Built using CUSE, of course.) < 1464111275 0 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder how serious github is about letting me have an unlimited number of repos. < 1464111285 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhoh... < 1464111825 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The magic was in you all along? < 1464111986 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: nice work on the zzo38 computer spec, BTW :) < 1464112539 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1464113355 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464116323 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It looks like identical to me too and I don't know. Possibly due to historical reasons and the text hasn't been updated because it does not need to be. < 1464116356 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it I keep only hearing half of conversations? < 1464116721 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Possibly the messages are far apart and you did not read it < 1464116733 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It happens to me too of course) < 1464116755 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I joined at 15:42:07. < 1464116786 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I checked logs during my a-few-minutes downtime < 1464116822 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 15:42:07, there have been 0 messages from b_jonas... so I should probably read more logs. < 1464118822 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1464119035 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rntz: huh, the "5 is experimentally best" claim is wrong... it's 6 that gives the average quoted at the top... must have mised up my experiments. < 1464119271 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1464119311 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1464119793 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1464119827 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1464120882 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1464120920 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden JOIN :#esoteric < 1464122718 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464126743 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1464127699 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1464128080 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1464128853 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1464129524 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1464129544 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas? < 1464129547 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :u here? < 1464129668 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? u < 1464129682 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :u monad? < 1464129689 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the u < 1464129695 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The U are a very mad people. < 1464129697 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: WHY? < 1464129703 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/u < 1464129712 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf nitia < 1464129718 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log wisdom/u < 1464129724 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changeset: 0:e037173e0012 \ user: HackBot \ date: Thu Feb 16 19:42:32 2012 +0000 \ summary: Initial import. < 1464129807 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464129883 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the idea of making a esolang where the only form of data manipulation is by 'folding' and 'unfolding' the data tape to increment and decrement values < 1464129929 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each fold goes along the tape until it reaches a 'seam' which it stops at < 1464129949 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The direction of a fold depends on the direction of the instruction pointer < 1464129960 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be either left or right < 1464129992 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Origami Tape, hmm. < 1464130057 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im thinking about adding velocitys (and overshooting the seam) to the mix < 1464130061 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont think i should < 1464130069 0 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1464130199 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think int-e? < 1464130329 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that question is too philosophical for me right now. < 1464130342 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well ima make it < 1464130358 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :name is simple too :P 'fold' < 1464130409 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, even better: make it 3d < 1464130413 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2d < 1464130417 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 2d < 1464130443 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, ill stick to 1d for ease of implentation, i might try 2d later < 1464130965 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie < 1464131073 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quiet in here < 1464131718 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464131734 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki wont let me publish < 1464131753 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can somene publish this for me? http://pastebin.com/zsknMxvN < 1464131829 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hia hppavilion[1] < 1464131844 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloon_ < 1464131928 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you publish that for me? < 1464132013 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Won't let"? < 1464132024 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, the wiki is refusing to publish < 1464132044 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you unpack that a little. < 1464132058 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, what is it doing instead. < 1464132063 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1464132096 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing me the preview, and i am a hundred precent certain i have hit the publish button and not the preview one, for 20 times in a row now < 1464132115 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have any sort of an error message anywhere on the page? < 1464132157 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1464132236 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my cookies are off and i never, ever turn them off < 1464132241 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is up here < 1464132268 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1464132276 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did say that to me as well. < 1464132285 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki's broken < 1464132294 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1464132295 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall it doing something similar before. Possibly something to do with the session storage. < 1464132302 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fun < 1464132336 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways.. i came up with the idea for a language that uses 'folds' in the tape to represent data < 1464132338 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1464132346 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :memcached has been killed by the OOM killer. < 1464132357 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOM? < 1464132362 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out-of-memory. < 1464132363 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric : total used free shared buffers cached < 1464132363 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mem: 2010 1910 99 43 29 120 < 1464132367 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not very good. < 1464132386 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we dont have gregor to fix it, he owns the wiki, right < 1464132389 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1464132398 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, kinda-sorta. < 1464132408 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's his machine, I do have administrative rights on it. < 1464132413 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1464132425 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can fix it? maybe? < 1464132437 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's all those python zombies HackEgo keeps making up these days. < 1464132445 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1464132447 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1464132466 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a python antizombie *jokes yet not jokes* < 1464132493 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait.. python zombies? < 1464132508 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means i might be able to access the external system using something like that.. < 1464132617 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the site stopped rendering right on my end < 1464132625 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I restarted a couple of things. < 1464132633 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1464132651 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logging in works for me now. < 1464132653 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1464132656 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same' < 1464132684 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fold14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=47059 5* 03Moon 5* (+969) 10Created < 1464132791 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, because you have admin rights, dont you have access to hackego? < 1464132802 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*noting you could install GHC for hackego again* < 1464132848 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie? < 1464132877 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, but I try to avoid touching it as much as I can, since it's not really mine. < 1464132898 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1464132912 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame < 1464132940 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The zombie thing is strange, I used to think it was recent, but looking at it, it doesn't look like multibot ever waited for its children (or daemonized either). < 1464132974 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could cause out of sync processes that way < 1464132986 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't really follow. < 1464133007 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure, it could be a denial-of-service-ish thing, clogging up the process table. < 1464133025 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arn't the processes being ran? < 1464133049 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A zombie is a process that's died but its corpse just hasn't been collected by the parent. < 1464133056 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1464133061 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nvm then < 1464133087 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well would it be possible to make a process that lives beyond the time of the main one? < 1464133122 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does hackego collect threads? < 1464133212 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it collects the whole kernel < 1464133219 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1464133224 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname -a < 1464133235 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1464133236 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of sandboxing and timeouting in the actual HackEgo stuff, and as far as I know they work pretty reliably, always terminating in a reasonable time. It's just that, AFAICT, the multibot core doesn't clean up the trash. < 1464133248 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or dissassociate itself from it.) < 1464133291 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int-e wouldnt it be nice if hackego had GHC? < 1464133293 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course that's the part written in C, so I'm even less inclined to start patching it. Since I have no idea whether the binary running there is actually from the public source or not. < 1464133327 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its not, as far as i know, i have not seen the core in the bitbucket repository < 1464133339 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's there -- it's just a different repo. < 1464133343 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/multibot/src < 1464133369 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd happily help patch it then :P < 1464133372 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know if the version HackEgo's running has been customized. < 1464133461 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, i dont run linux < 1464133465 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nvm < 1464133516 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has < 1464133529 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cmd execution of the multibot inthe bitbucket lacks sandboxing < 1464133550 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's yet another repository. < 1464133568 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesnt use the umlbox command for executing commands < 1464133592 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just 'exec' s it < 1464133599 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because it's not *multibot* that does it. < 1464133616 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's done by the *hackbot* code. < 1464133617 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you may want http://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/ < 1464133621 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1464133636 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait, that's also the wrong one... < 1464133659 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot < 1464133663 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot < 1464133687 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of the "everything in one repository" approach? < 1464133692 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's great. < 1464133703 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1464133710 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't scale < 1464133733 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1464133750 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It scales up to a Google. < 1464133772 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :define "one repository < 1464133773 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1464133823 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in one hg or Perforce or whatever repository. < 1464133844 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im thinking about writing a basic text editor for hackego < 1464133879 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to keep state between lines of HackEgo without committing to hg? < 1464133928 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have picked too broad a context for "everything". < 1464133945 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean all your code and so on. < 1464133948 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not that I know of. < 1464133966 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I don't want to have a tangled mess of all my projects. < 1464133979 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you put each one in its own directory. So it's not a mess. < 1464133992 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can have a repository for each. < 1464134023 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what should i set the max file size input to? (aka how much memory it devotes to the file) < 1464134065 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you need something that scales up to two googles < 1464134077 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont think hackego has that much ram < 1464134098 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is a limitation of the RCSs that I'm aware of... they don't offer nice views ala "what's the history of this subdirectory") < 1464134117 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"clone this subdirectory" "merge from the previously cloned subdirectory" < 1464134125 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: I think you shouldn't try to do the thing at all. You can't run anything persistently, so your editor would need to write all state to file (and make a commit) for every operation. < 1464134141 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it is more of a file operator < 1464134147 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's far easier to use something like submodules to compose a view of a larger project from smaller parts, right now. < 1464134153 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a command, and preforms it < 1464134155 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1464134185 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So as things stand, I don't think I want to use anything resembling a "repository for everything." < 1464134322 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even so, I think we generally would like to discourage interactive editing on the bot, since it involves so much history. < 1464134341 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sed already exists, anyway.) < 1464134374 0 :moon_!4c01498a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.73.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like doing it, plus it will test my shellscripting, ill do it offscreen < 1464134389 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and regarding the ghc question... I've not seriously missed it.