00:00:29 of course! :p ..im learning befunge now. 00:00:30 coppro tichued me at a faraway place. next time I'll bring a new card game to return the favour :D 00:00:58 earendel: you should aubergine, and purple. 00:01:08 such as spaceteam or dresden files 00:01:20 (but let's do tichu sometime) 00:02:08 im planning to check those music related stuff.. the big5. but do not worry. soon i will teach you some tricks. :D laterz 00:02:09 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:02:19 quintopia: I'd be down for that 00:02:21 also mahjong 00:02:50 -!- ent0nces has joined. 00:02:59 i'm shit at mahjong. i'm not interested unless you're incredible at it and a good teacher besides :P 00:04:01 coppro is a sneaky player. you think you're playing safe, then *THWACK* he wins. 00:04:35 quintopia: I'm decent at it and I got a lot of practice teaching this weekend 00:04:39 I'm good at teaching the basics now 00:04:48 boily: weren't we going to prismatajam hth 00:04:49 the more complicated stuff, not so well-practiced 00:04:56 quintopia: what kinds of mahjong do you know? 00:05:27 Hm... 00:05:47 hellochaf. prismatajam? this ought to ring a bell, but sorry I don't know what you're talking aboot... 00:05:58 coppro: i played like twice a decade ago. all i remember is standing up a bunch of tiles in front of me 00:05:58 hppavellon[1]. hm? 00:06:07 quintopia: you're halfway there 00:06:08 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:06:17 the other half is yelling "RON" and laying them all down 00:06:24 * hppavilion[1] wants to make an abstract machine- not just a bytecode interpreter, but a fully-featured machine- suitable for scientific applications. In an esoteric fashion. 00:06:29 p sure that never happened to me 00:06:32 boily: http://prismata.net/ 00:06:45 boily: or https://play.prismata.net/?demo 00:06:53 Oh hey, it's Prismata. 00:06:58 I think I might have bought that or something. 00:07:06 tswett: we should jam 00:07:34 whoa, the demo is really old 00:07:39 why don't we just make up a new game we can play in text only in irc. without bots. 00:07:52 (don't answer that) 00:08:19 coppro: any IRC mahjong clients? 00:08:25 Um, let me see if I can log in. 00:08:33 boily: not that I'm aware of 00:09:36 * hppavilion[1] tags quintopia and runs away 00:09:53 it's not very convincing if you don't leave the channel 00:10:05 * quintopia hides in plain sight 00:10:14 quintopia: I'm on the other side of the channel 00:10:17 `? #esoteric 00:10:19 ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. monqy is its centroïd. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. 00:10:57 Whelp... I have no idea how to access Prismata. 00:11:14 * hppavilion[1] wonders at what point metres intersect with yards, before realizing that it's obviously at x=0 00:11:21 Whoops, waitamo. 00:11:23 `? monqy 00:11:26 `` units '30 m' 'ft' 00:11:32 The friendship monqy is an ancient Chinese mystery; ask itidus21 for details. 00:11:34 ​* 98.425197 \ / 0.01016 00:11:59 `learn monqy is no longer extant 00:12:07 quintopia: *existent 00:12:07 Relearned 'monqy': monqy is no longer extant 00:12:14 Extant is also a word. 00:12:19 Oh, was that a joke? 00:12:24 It pretty much means "not extinct", I think. 00:12:35 So I go to https://play.prismata.net/ and it says "Loading" and then I see a big black box. 00:12:53 Try zooming out? 00:12:54 monqy surely existed. and lives on only in concept. but is now hidden, unfindable. 00:13:40 Now I see a small black box. 00:13:46 tswett: Progress! 00:14:00 `learn monqy is no longer extant. He lives in concept, hidden, unfindable. You could ask itidus21 for details, if you find him. 00:14:03 Relearned 'monqy': monqy is no longer extant. He lives in concept, hidden, unfindable. You could ask itidus21 for details, if you find him. 00:14:31 tswett: Well, I don't know. 00:14:37 @ask itidus Are you still around anywhere? 00:14:37 Consider it noted. 00:14:40 Wait 00:14:46 @ask itidus21 Are you still around anywhere? 00:14:46 Consider it noted. 00:14:46 `? doublethink 00:14:46 `? learn itidus21 00:14:50 learn itidus21? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:14:51 Doublethink is the ability of holding the right belief. (If you think that you disagree with this definition, think again.) 00:14:54 `? itidus21 00:14:57 itidus21 just made some instant coffee. 00:15:06 oh that guy 00:15:07 @tell itidus Just in case you're also a user: Whoops, wrong target 00:15:07 Consider it noted. 00:15:13 always making instant coffee 00:15:18 in every instant 00:16:21 `learn itidus21 just made some instant coffee, and did it again an instant later, and then again and again. where is all this coffee coming from? it has buried itidus21! where is itidus21? 00:16:24 Relearned 'itidus21': itidus21 just made some instant coffee, and did it again an instant later, and then again and again. where is all this coffee coming from? it has buried itidus21! where is itidus21? 00:17:09 `before 00:17:16 wisdom/itidus21//itidus21 just made some instant coffee. 00:17:35 boily: one month until work ends at 7pm. and DST is now officially out of early access. 00:17:50 :D 00:18:12 `wisdom 00:18:12 HackEgo: FASTER PLEASE 00:18:14 zombiecheney/ZombieCheney lives under a bridge. 00:18:19 boily: grav's server should support a real aPI though so at that point no reason you couldn't write a gravjong <-> irc relay 00:18:40 is there a "COMBINING TILE ROTATED LEFT"? 00:18:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:18:44 `` sed -i 's/of holding/to hold/' wisdom/doublethink 00:18:47 No output. 00:19:01 boily: can you python as well as you ruby? 00:20:32 coppro: I like the name "gravjong". 00:20:56 is this something that fell out of the gravatarpits? 00:21:01 coppro: I don't think there is anything more than a single mahjong emoji in Unicode, but I may be wrong hth 00:21:06 oerjan: i've never heard of a "bag to hold" hth 00:21:11 quintopia: I can pythong better than I can ruby hth 00:21:15 `? doublethink 00:21:18 Doublethink is the ability to hold the right belief. (If you think that you disagree with this definition, think again.) 00:21:47 boily: wanna help me develop the hardest-to-implement esolang i've ever designed? 00:22:02 * oerjan puts shachaf in a bag, then swats it -----### 00:22:25 boily: you are wrong tdnh 00:22:56 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 00:23:14 the dogs now howl? 00:23:28 hththththth 00:23:34 `wisdom 00:23:35 treefolk/Treefolk are genericized treants for intellectual property reasons. 00:23:36 quintopia: watch me Enterprise Programming you an interpreter, with a half-a-lisp spec somewhere in it :D 00:23:43 `foolishness 00:23:44 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: foolishness: not found 00:23:48 🀀🀁🀂🀃🀄🀅🀆🀇🀈🀉🀊🀋🀌🀍🀎🀏🀐🀑🀒🀓🀔🀕🀖🀗🀘🀙🀚🀛🀜🀝🀞🀟🀠🀡🀢🀣🀤🀥🀦🀧🀨🀩🀪🀫 00:23:58 holy fungot... 00:23:58 need a terminal font with mahjong tiles :( 00:23:59 `unidecode 🀀🀁🀂🀃🀄🀅🀆🀇🀈🀉🀊🀋🀌🀍🀎🀏🀐🀑🀒🀓🀔🀕🀖🀗🀘🀙🀚🀛🀜🀝🀞🀟🀠🀡🀢🀣🀤🀥🀦🀧🀨🀩🀪🀫 00:24:01 ​[U+1F000 MAHJONG TILE EAST WIND] [U+1F001 MAHJONG TILE SOUTH WIND] [U+1F002 MAHJONG TILE WEST WIND] [U+1F003 MAHJONG TILE NORTH WIND] [U+1F004 MAHJONG TILE RED DRAGON] [U+1F005 MAHJONG TILE GREEN DRAGON] [U+1F006 MAHJONG TILE WHITE DRAGON] [U+1F007 MAHJONG TILE ONE OF CHARACTERS] [U+1F008 MAHJONG TILE TWO OF CHARACTERS] [U+1F009 MAHJONG TILE THR 00:24:13 shachaf: are you being attacked by a wolf pack tdnh 00:24:27 oerjan: twnh 00:24:38 coppro: I don't know which font I have here that can has mahjong tiles... let me send you a screenshot. 00:24:44 `? twnh 00:24:45 twnh is dubious hambiguitous help that will or will not be help. It is provided by a toe with no hair. 00:25:07 boily: it probably does call for half-a-lisp, but it also calls for a decent implementation of arithmetic coding and a drag and drop gui interface. does this sound enterprisey enough for you? 00:25:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Client Quit). 00:25:43 yay my font has all the mahjong tiles 00:25:48 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 00:26:22 oerjan: what font? 00:26:24 coppro: http://imgur.com/HKQich0 00:26:32 courier new, i think 00:26:42 hmm. time to test a thing 00:26:51 huh 00:27:00 I think I'm using droid sans mono 00:27:16 and I'm using urxvt, which is not known for its font handling, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's failing to fall back 00:27:20 my font does not include them 00:27:30 similar set up to coppro 00:27:45 it didn't show up in konsole either 00:27:50 twdnh 00:27:51 (those wolves do not help) 00:28:04 quintopia: konsole handles astral characters really poorly, not surprised 00:28:06 "Liberation Mono for Powerline regular 11". I don't know which fallback it is. 00:28:14 what tty does font really well 00:28:24 quintopia: konsole does better than urxvt, anyway 00:28:39 gnome-terminal isn't so bad at font handling... 00:28:45 but KDE applications (or possibly all of Qt) basically use UCS-2 and sometimes surrogates work by accident 00:29:07 that was the pain point that made me switch away from konwole 00:29:11 *konsole 00:29:24 I might have to look at gnome-terminal 00:30:00 <\oren\> Are the mahjong tiles halfwidth or fullwidth? 00:30:05 yes. 00:31:16 <\oren\> looks to be halfwidth. that's gonna be hard to squeez 00:31:27 make --fucking work 00:31:36 s/directory/path/ 00:32:25 Stupid thing #4923: Superdynamic Linking (AKA Runtime Linking) 00:34:27 <\oren\> Hmm, it'll work better if I don't draw the tile borders 00:38:27 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 00:38:42 hellambda-11235. 00:39:05 fizzie: fizziello. I just remembered you had some graphs on your website. are you still updating them? 00:40:52 hellambda-01123581321345589144233377610987159725844181676510946177112865746368 00:41:22 boily: Hi. Also, note that weechat doesn't notify me when my nick is part of a larger word, in case you ever want to grab my attention. 00:41:23 pbwilyned 00:41:33 lambda-11235: Yes, we all know that 00:41:40 lambda-11235: But porthellos are ceremonial 00:41:48 hppavilion[1]: word. 00:41:52 lambda-11235: Also, you can configure most clients for other words, too 00:43:39 Y'know, I'm probably worse at coming up with Japanese names than anime writers are at coming up with English names. 00:43:39 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:44:06 Like, to me, Kotayama Hareshu sounds like a perfectly plausible Japanese name. 00:44:14 INFINITE matrioshka language? < Or self-referential matrioshka language? <-- aka Feather hth 00:44:19 tswett: How is that plausible? 00:44:22 tswett: How? 00:44:29 But a Japanese person might think it sounds ridiculous. 00:44:29 -!- ent0nces has joined. 00:44:32 hppavilion[1]: uh, what do you mean? 00:44:38 tswett: 小多山 晴れ手? 00:44:59 boily: I dunno. 00:45:03 (do Japanese name ever mix up kanji and kana?) 00:45:04 tswett: Doesn't everybody have that superpower where you recognize names in all languages perfectly? That isn't just me, right? 00:45:11 tswett: Also, are you making anti-anime? 00:45:17 As it happens, no. 00:45:27 tswett: Then why are you coming up with japanese names? 00:45:35 It's just a fact that occurred to me. 00:46:03 In Death Note, there was someone who was supposed to be named Larry, but his name onscreen was misspelled as Rally. 00:46:38 There was also someone named Raye Penber. Like, if they'd just spelled the last name as "Pember", that would have been pretty plausible. 00:48:04 <\oren\> Penber looks more englishy than pember to me 00:48:15 -!- tromp has joined. 00:48:29 Does English have any non-compound words at all with "nb" in them? 00:49:45 I think "bonbon" is as close as English gets to that. 00:49:52 Ignoring names such as Dunbar and Canberra. 00:50:07 technically those may all be compounds 00:50:21 hm 00:50:45 i think the problem is not "nb" but rather "enb" 00:50:53 <\oren\> tswett: right, nb occurs in names 00:51:23 you want the syllable to end on the b with "enb" whereas with "unb" and "anb" it naturally ends on the n 00:51:54 unb unb unb ♪ 00:52:34 canberra's etymology seems pretty disputed. 00:52:52 Yep. All of the "enb" names in my /usr/share/dict/words are suffixed with "burg", "baker", "berg", "brau", "bach", "backer", "berry", or "borg". 00:53:18 Battenberg 00:53:29 bachenbach 00:53:56 i wonder when this starbucks closes 00:54:02 i should start writing 00:56:19 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:57:14 -!- ent0nces has joined. 01:07:47 . o O ( The Day Starbuck Never Closed - direct to DVD ) 01:07:59 *+s 01:08:45 http://www.theonion.com/article/new-starbucks-opens-in-rest-room-of-existing-starb-560 01:09:20 a starbucks is like an onion, it contains layers 01:11:24 `addquote a starbucks is like an onion, it contains layers 01:11:37 1277) a starbucks is like an onion, it contains layers 01:12:12 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:12:46 i knew i should have checked that quote properly in advance. 01:17:26 Subway is like cheeto powder, they get everywhere. 01:18:06 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:18:53 -!- ent0nces has joined. 01:20:45 lambda-11235: the sandwich, or the underground thingie? 01:20:45 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:21:09 boily: The sandwhich shop. 01:21:26 -!- ent0nces has joined. 01:22:51 In one town I went to I could swear there was one on every street. 01:23:42 <\oren\> Ok, I suck at making these flower tiles look different 01:24:50 not surprising. they're the most numerousest chain in the whole world. 01:31:26 <\oren\> looking up some pictures helped 01:32:48 -!- deepblu has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:35:10 -!- deepblu has joined. 01:35:33 -!- deepblu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:36:41 -!- tromp has joined. 01:41:10 -!- acertain has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:42:22 -!- acertain has joined. 01:43:35 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:44:24 if subway is like cheeto powder, then dunkin donuts is maybe like glitter, and starbucks is like powdered sugar 01:45:07 -!- acertain has quit (Read error: No route to host). 01:49:21 * boily has sudden cravings for Tim's donuts... 01:52:53 i crave donuts all the time, but only krispy kreme doughnuts 01:52:59 (sic) 01:53:40 i'm only alive today based on my ability to ignore cravings 01:56:48 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:58:12 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:01:26 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:02:17 -!- ent0nces has joined. 02:03:48 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:08:08 -!- boily has quit (Quit: WRAPPED CHICKEN). 02:09:51 Fresh krispy kremes omg they should be illegal 02:10:01 A controlled substance 02:17:07 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:18:02 -!- ent0nces has joined. 02:21:13 -!- Frooxius has joined. 02:22:33 -!- Froox has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:26:57 <\oren\> 🀀🀁🀂🀃🀄🀅🀆🀇🀈🀉🀊🀋🀌🀍🀎🀏🀐🀑🀒🀓🀔🀕🀖🀗🀘🀙🀚🀛 02:27:00 <\oren\> 🀜🀝🀞🀟🀠🀡🀢🀣🀤🀥🀦🀧🀨🀩🀪🀫 02:27:06 <\oren\> yay, it works 02:29:47 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 02:30:59 <\oren\> Good news, Everyone! Neoletters now supprot Mahjong tiles! 02:31:50 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:32:40 -!- ent0nces has joined. 02:34:42 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:35:26 -!- ent0nces has joined. 02:38:13 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:39:06 -!- ent0nces has joined. 02:51:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:52:52 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 02:55:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:55:58 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:56:43 -!- ent0nces has joined. 02:58:23 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:59:22 -!- ent0nces has joined. 03:00:08 <\oren\> hppavilion[2]: 倦倭偲寛哨填威婆寛尉尋尾尿屈履峡峰崇崎崖 03:00:09 <\oren\> 崩嵐巧帆帝帽幅幣幻幽幾床庶庸廃廉廊廷弄弊弐弥弦 03:00:22 -!- Frooxius has joined. 03:00:23 <\oren\> 🀀🀁🀂🀃🀄🀅🀆🀇🀈🀉🀊🀋🀌🀍🀎🀏🀐🀑🀒🀓🀔🀕🀖🀗🀘🀙🀚🀛🀜🀝🀞🀟🀠🀡🀢🀣🀤🀥🀦🀧🀨🀩🀪🀫 03:00:30 \oren\: What? 03:02:23 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:03:13 -!- ent0nces has joined. 03:03:53 <\oren\> ent0nces: why is your peer resetting your connection so much? 03:04:25 -!- tromp has joined. 03:05:35 <\oren\> Hey, fungot, why do peers reset connecitons? 03:05:36 \oren\: and forcer is sarahbot who. ummmm....... what makes scheme suck more than ruby or python maybe, which i also think it's weird. it is 03:05:59 <\oren\> `? sarahbot 03:06:19 sarahbot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 03:06:56 <\oren\> fungot: who's sarahbot? 03:06:56 \oren\: should i? what kind of hint would you like 03:07:39 <\oren\> fungot: this is some sort of secret? 03:07:39 \oren\: sicp has a similar philosophy 03:07:53 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 03:08:33 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:10:01 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:11:06 -!- ent0nces has joined. 03:14:06 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:14:12 \oren\: i think sarahbot may have been a bot in #scheme 03:14:40 -!- ent0nces has joined. 03:16:33 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:17:14 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 03:17:15 <\oren\> oh, similar to lambdabot of haskell 03:19:02 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 03:20:15 Horrible Video Game Mashup #911660: Kerbal Plague Program 03:21:18 -!- dos has joined. 03:21:19 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:22:19 -!- ent0nces has joined. 03:22:26 -!- dos has changed nick to hppavilion[1]. 03:22:35 Horrible Video Game Mashup #911660: Kerbal Plague Program 03:22:38 It's like KSP, but instead you're manufacturing biological weapons 03:22:43 (You test them on living kerbals) 03:24:43 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: a plague happened in Scott Manley's Interstellar Quest episode NaN 03:24:54 and... dinner 03:25:13 <\oren\> all his resources became NaN 03:25:17 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 03:28:40 -!- centrinia has joined. 03:29:03 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:34:07 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:34:48 -!- ent0nces has joined. 03:42:33 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:42:34 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:43:23 -!- ent0nces has joined. 03:50:32 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 03:51:17 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:51:55 -!- ent0nces has joined. 03:53:03 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:00:21 > zillion 04:00:23 Not in scope: ‘zillion’ 04:00:32 @let zillion = 10^^42 04:00:35 Defined. 04:00:39 > zillion+1 04:00:42 1.0e42 04:00:47 :( 04:03:04 What is the stupidest numeral system you can think of 04:03:22 Provided that the algorithm to decode an arbitrary integer into this system must reside in finite space 04:03:47 (via a numeric TM with an infinimap display) 04:04:33 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:05:35 -!- ent0nces has joined. 04:17:49 -!- XorSwap has joined. 04:27:16 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:28:14 -!- ent0nces has joined. 04:28:21 http://paulhankin.github.io/Fibonacci/ 04:37:10 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:37:49 -!- ent0nces has joined. 04:48:30 Huh. 04:48:37 The last 12 digits of g64 are 262464195387 04:48:47 I feel like I've lived a fuller life now that I know that. 04:48:55 Which probably means I should quit math 04:59:51 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:00:48 -!- ent0nces has joined. 05:07:37 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:08:40 -!- ent0nces has joined. 05:12:23 -!- tromp has joined. 05:18:21 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:19:36 -!- ent0nces has joined. 05:25:25 girl genius: hah i guessed right! 05:26:03 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:30:25 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:35:21 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 05:40:47 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:41:41 -!- ent0nces has joined. 05:53:59 -!- gnomi has joined. 05:59:38 -!- gnomi has left. 06:01:47 That moment when you relize you made a spelling mistake in an old git commit. 06:04:40 -!- mad has joined. 06:05:21 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5... = -1/12 06:13:46 -!- gnomi has joined. 06:16:19 Yes that is one infinite sum 06:16:38 There are others, many of which I have written down the proof of, but not that one 06:20:34 For example 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 + 64 + ... = -1 and 1 + 4 + 16 + 64 + 256 + ... = -1/3 and 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + ... = 1/2 and 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + ... = 2 06:21:15 you can get it from 1 -1 +1 -1 +1 = 1/2 06:21:31 OK 06:21:42 s = 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6... 06:22:03 4s = 4 + 8 + 12.... 06:22:25 -3s= 1 - 2 + 3 - 4 + 5 - 6.... 06:22:32 (doing the subtraction) 06:23:46 1 - 2 + 3 - 4 + 5 - 6... = (1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1...) * (1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1...) 06:25:30 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:25:56 proof: you can write (1-1+1-1+1...) * (1-1+1-1+1...) as the 1st term * 1st term + (2nd term * 1st term + 1st term * 2nd term) + (3rd term * 1st term + 2nd term * 2nd term + 1st term * 3rd term + etc 06:26:24 OK 06:26:44 which gives you (1) + (-1-1) + (1+1+1) + (-1-1-1-1) + (1+1+1+1+1).... 06:26:44 So, it is more complicated than the others I have mentioned, but can still be worked 06:27:03 it's basically a more evolved form of 1-1+1-1+1-1... 06:27:18 How do you prove that though? 06:27:49 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 06:28:37 -!- XorSwap has quit (Quit: Leaving). 06:29:19 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:30:37 -!- ent0nces has joined. 06:31:01 -!- tromp has joined. 06:32:39 The ones I have done are all much easier to prove (the last one I mentioned is convergent rather than divergent, but that seems irrelevant to me). 06:32:46 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 06:35:25 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:39:34 I have first read about "1 + 4 + 16 + 64 + 256 + ... = -1/3" in a book actually, where they had a simple equation to solve a infinite series "x^0 + x^2 + x^4 + x^6 + x^8 + ..." which is supposed to be used for numbers less than 1 but if you put x=2 it comes out -1/3 which seems "nonsense". However I used a different method to figure out the answer of 1 + 4 + 16 + ... and also got -1/3, so clearly it must be correct. 06:40:51 (I have not checked if this method can derive the equation used.) 06:42:27 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 06:43:51 there's a video on youtube about this 06:43:51 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcKRGpMiVTw 06:44:28 I don't watch video on YouTube; I watch text. 06:47:48 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:48:44 -!- ent0nces has joined. 06:56:34 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:57:43 -!- ent0nces has joined. 07:01:14 -!- gnomi has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 07:03:47 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:04:26 -!- ent0nces has joined. 07:07:18 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:08:10 -!- ent0nces has joined. 07:08:55 For some reason, generalized mandelbrot sets make me uncomfortable 07:10:06 -!- ent0nces has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:12:43 is a turing complete fractal possible 07:13:04 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 07:14:07 mad: I don't know. 07:14:17 How would such thing be working? 07:14:28 how is "2nd term * 1st term * 1st term * 2nd term" ever anything but 1? 07:15:32 mad: What does such a thing even /mean/!? 07:15:41 mad: But, knowing math, yes, probably 07:15:55 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 07:16:14 myname: 2nd term is -1 07:16:17 mad: Oh, you were thinking about that too 07:16:26 mad: (1+2+3... = -1/12) 07:16:40 I was watching a video on it earlier 07:16:41 (-1*1) + (1*-1) = -1 + -1 07:16:53 = -2 07:17:31 mad: Do you mean a class of fractal rather than just one fractal? 07:17:36 zzo38 : a fractal where depending on where you evaluate it, it either coverges, or doesn't 07:17:52 corresponding to halting and non-halting in a turing machine 07:18:13 mad: But how does it output? 07:18:19 And... now my computer is making a scary noise 07:18:33 I should turn it off 07:18:34 halt and non-halt are the only outputs needed for a turing complete system 07:18:41 mad: Oh, right 07:19:08 you can get a binary output by racing two inputs 07:19:53 like, you have a version asking "is the answer X" and one asking "is the answer Y", first one to terminate means the answer is that 07:20:43 also you can use the infinite decimals of your evaluation as an infinite tape 07:23:16 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:27:45 mad: 2nd * 1st * 1st * 2nd = 2nd^2 * 1st^2 = 1 * 1 = 1 07:28:18 oh 07:28:24 there's a plus 07:28:26 nvmd 07:28:34 it's too early 07:38:35 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:47:00 -!- rdococ has joined. 07:58:57 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: ITYM too late). 08:31:24 -!- tromp has joined. 08:36:17 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:58:16 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:01:39 -!- mroman has joined. 09:01:48 wasn't there some esolang that required you to define syntax first? 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i mean.. don't come up with the number of factors. 14:34:49 earendel: 11 14:34:54 3:-) 14:36:41 --> "We have JS eval now?" 14:36:42 FireFly: We have JS eval now? 14:36:55 earendel: is it properly sandboxed? 14:38:53 firefly: im still working on it. just felt safe enough to let it in here.. :) .. have some concept and work on a paper to introduce it later properly.. so much for now: no it's not gonna be just js 14:39:15 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 14:39:32 Well, is it safe enough that I could toy with it and see if I find any way to break out of it? :p 14:40:49 it's safe enough so you can try to do your worst.. i just ask to let me know about at some point so i can improve it..after you conquered my local network and downloaded all my illegal hd porn 14:41:16 but it could be a little spammy.. maybe you wait. itll be more fun later:D 14:41:40 about it* 14:41:56 tell me what you think about base 13. 14:42:31 Haha 14:42:45 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:43:47 What I think about base 13? Well, the quote by Douglas Adams comes to mind 14:43:58 “Some readers who were trying to find a deeper meaning in the passage soon noticed that 610 × 910 is actually 4213 (as 4 × 13 + 2 = 54, i.e. 54 in decimal is equal to 42 expressed in base 13). When confronted with this, the author claimed that it was a mere coincidence, famously stating that "I may be a sorry case, but I don't write jokes in base 13."” 14:44:31 "6₁₀ × 9₁₀ is actually 42₁₃" 14:44:33 * 14:44:48 ugh! wtf. i didn't know! 14:45:02 im an adam fan. nice one. 14:45:28 cheerful. ok.. be back later. 14:45:33 Hehe, sure 14:48:33 6_10 is also 6_13 ... 14:48:43 which makes it better imo 14:49:09 Yeah 14:49:19 Not really sure why they used _10 there 14:55:52 -!- sebbu has joined. 14:56:16 -!- tromp has joined. 15:17:24 -!- idris-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:18:03 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:26:07 -!- Melvar has joined. 15:28:26 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 15:29:08 -!- mroman has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 15:29:18 -!- idris-bot has joined. 15:30:26 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 15:33:51 -!- singingb1yo has joined. 15:34:43 -!- singingboyo has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 15:50:30 -!- rdococ has joined. 15:52:02 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:56:45 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:00:05 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 16:01:12 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 16:11:52 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 16:17:32 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:23:15 -!- Kaynato has joined. 16:30:25 -!- nycs has joined. 16:30:28 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 16:31:04 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:31:43 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 16:33:09 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 16:33:14 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:34:05 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:34:23 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 16:36:11 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 16:39:16 -!- Reece` has joined. 16:41:36 -!- Reece` has quit (Client Quit). 16:42:36 -!- Reece` has joined. 16:44:17 -!- ais523 has quit. 16:51:16 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 16:51:16 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 16:51:16 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 16:51:16 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 17:14:06 -!- Kaynato has joined. 17:17:08 -!- ais523 has joined. 17:17:34 -!- zadock has joined. 17:35:12 <\oren\> why not use base 255? 17:36:10 -!- zadock has quit (Quit: Leaving). 17:36:33 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:37:06 <\oren\> or 254 if you want to use 0xff as a decimal point 17:43:23 `unidecode . 17:43:27 use that as the decimal point 17:43:52 ​[U+002E FULL STOP] 17:49:22 -!- ais523 has quit. 17:49:43 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:52:29 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:59:51 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 18:00:19 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 18:02:45 12⏨031 18:04:04 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 18:04:04 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 18:04:04 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 18:04:04 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 18:08:07 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 18:11:00 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 18:15:03 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 18:15:37 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 18:16:14 why not use base 65536? 18:28:12 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 18:28:43 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 18:28:51 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 18:28:51 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 18:28:51 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 18:28:51 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 18:32:44 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:34:55 so, is the way we're used to base10 only a matter of phaenotype? just an arbitrary condition and excercise? or is there some affiinity between us and 10 (fingers?) that makes this preference? did other ethnic groups develop another base? 18:34:57 wait 18:35:06 the romans?! 18:35:18 a quarter pounder with cheese?!? :o 18:35:26 base 60 forever 18:35:45 Base 16 is the best. 18:36:08 not really. 18:36:14 12 18:36:16 no 18:36:16 10 18:36:26 My preferred binary base for calculations on paper was base 8. 18:36:35 -!- tromp_ has joined. 18:36:42 16 is nice with binary 18:37:04 (past tense because I no longer do such computations manually) 18:37:08 4 digits make a hex value 18:38:12 but there's something to be said for a base where 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5 and 1/6 have finite expansions, as well as 1/8, 1/9, 1/10... 18:38:21 ...the babylonians were clever. 18:40:42 so.. our digits are arabic right? once upon the time 18:40:59 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:41:24 finitie expansions. 18:42:15 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:43:07 `? 10 18:43:09 `? decimal 18:43:13 `? hexadecimal 18:43:14 `? binary 18:43:16 `? octal 18:43:18 `? radix 18:43:32 so what kiind of system is the roman..it's base 10 just with a symbol system that's more like ... a currency..right? 18:44:00 "what kiind of system is the roman" => a stupid one 18:44:11 I hate it 18:44:42 it's more stupid than the system where greek or hebrew letters used to mark nonzero digits in the ones, tens, and thousands positions. 18:44:48 binary? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:44:49 No output. 18:44:49 No output. 18:44:49 No output. 18:44:51 radix? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:44:52 octal? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:45:07 `? hexadecimal 18:45:09 hexadecimal? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:45:14 `? binary 18:45:15 binary? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:45:17 `? 10 18:45:18 10? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:47:03 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 18:47:50 "[...] our modern decimal place value system was invented by Hindu mathematicians in India, probably by the sixth century and perhaps even earlier. The modern numerals 1, 2, 3, ..., are sometimes called "Arabic" numerals in the West because they were introduced to Europeans by Arab merchants." ... so not really arabic. 18:48:36 i think just the digits are arabic 18:48:42 not the numbers 18:48:48 symbols 18:48:52 -!- MoALTz has joined. 18:48:56 (quote from http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/roman.html via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals) 18:49:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:53:26 `? monkey eats banana 18:53:29 monkey eats banana? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:54:35 (in its prime) 18:55:23 oh the maya used base20 .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_numerals 18:55:36 that's like all fingers 18:56:01 -!- gremlins has joined. 18:56:42 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 18:57:09 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 19:01:21 -!- xfix has joined. 19:03:06 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 19:06:16 -!- acertain has joined. 19:25:28 Such numeral can be call "Hindu-Arabic" 19:28:43 -!- jaboja has joined. 19:29:29 -!- Kaynato has joined. 19:42:12 -!- Reece` has joined. 19:43:34 -!- gremlins has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:46:12 -!- gremlins has joined. 19:46:24 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 19:47:33 -!- Reece` has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:48:31 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:49:16 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 19:49:50 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 19:55:12 -!- ent0nces has joined. 19:56:48 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:57:50 -!- rdococ has quit (Quit: pythonsnake would idle out anyway). 20:01:31 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:10:35 -!- deepblu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:15:42 -!- gamemanj has joined. 20:16:26 -!- gremlins has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:20:51 -!- Kaynato has joined. 20:29:54 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 20:34:23 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:36:52 -!- earendel has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 20:50:33 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:57:13 -!- centrinia has joined. 20:57:38 [wiki] [[TrivialBrainfuckSubstitution]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46838&oldid=43458 * IAM * (+127) 21:00:55 -!- ent0nces_ has joined. 21:03:37 -!- ent0nces has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:04:36 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Xfix * New user account 21:09:48 I want to design a processor architecture that could run a 2ducks-like language 21:10:08 -!- ais523 has joined. 21:10:28 how much experience do you have in processor architecture design? 21:10:38 *TwoDucks 21:10:41 [wiki] [[Talk:Maze]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46839&oldid=33842 * IAM * (+312) /* Getting Stuck */ new section 21:11:06 izabera: Nothing formal and not a lot informal, but I would be working somewhat in the abstract 21:16:31 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:20:19 -!- earendel has joined. 21:27:41 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 21:32:14 Morality Quote of the Day that Depends on Obscure Knowledge: "Racism is context-free" 21:32:34 I was thinking about the rust language by the way, and there's a funny thing I'd like to point out. 21:34:03 -!- spiette has joined. 21:34:37 Do you know how the definitions for C specifically say that the arguments of a function call or an operator can be evaluated in any order, it's an implementation freedom, with some exceptions? And how the definition of scheme says the same, and how common lisp gives a much tighter restriction (function arguments are evaluated front to back order, but the called function itself can be evaluated before or after or between them as the impl chooses), 21:35:10 and how perl doesn't documented this so people had debates about what perl actually promises about the order of evaluation of most operators? 21:35:47 So there are good arguments for fixing the order, and good arguments for not fixing the order, but in the end it's certainly a judgement call by whoever defines the language, right?> 21:35:58 Yes. 21:36:37 The funny thing is, in rust, they don't have a choice, they must fix the evaluation order. 21:37:30 It's because the evaluation order can change whether the program is valid at compile time, because the evaluation order determines which values count as compile-time initialized. Unlike C++, in rust, a variable can be in scope yet compile time uninitialized. 21:37:50 Aaah. 21:38:48 Now of course whoever defines it still has the freedom to pick an evaluation order (and it's not obvious which order is best for the assignment operator and for function calls), but they have to choose one and stick to it. 21:39:21 [wiki] [[GPRX 3000]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46840 * Xfix * (+2201) Initial version of GPRX 3000 description 21:39:29 Sure. Changing semantics in a subtle yet fundamental way like that is bad news. 21:40:39 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:40:49 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46841&oldid=46801 * Xfix * (+16) Add GPRX 3000 21:42:23 [wiki] [[GPRX 3000]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46842&oldid=46840 * Xfix * (+25) Add who invented a language 21:42:27 Of course, there will be few programs where this actually matters, but it's a fun theoretical point. 21:46:52 -!- deepblu has joined. 21:55:58 I do wonder how usable for computing GPRX 3000 is, but it's probably not (but at the same time, I don't have a proof it's not)... 21:58:03 [wiki] [[GPRX 3000]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46843&oldid=46842 * Xfix * (+118) Extra clarifications for GPRX 3000 language 22:08:21 -!- deepblu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:09:14 -!- spiette has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:09:52 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:10:08 -!- centrinia has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:10:51 -!- lambdabot has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:13:10 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 22:14:04 [wiki] [[Talk:Maze]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46844&oldid=46839 * IAM * (+84) /* Getting Stuck */ 22:17:13 -!- lambdabot has joined. 22:20:19 -!- Kaynato has joined. 22:21:08 A friend has an interesting idea: http://i.imgur.com/P0pMbmu.png 22:21:37 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:21:38 can you describe it? I'm very reluctant to follow undescribed links 22:21:47 especially if someone joins the channel just to post them 22:21:56 (I mean, I recognise imgur, but the URL doesn't say a lot about the image) 22:22:44 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:25:05 I'm less reluctant, and can tell that it's a screenshot of a text file open in an editor. 22:25:35 why not just use a pastebin? unless it uses some sort of nonstandard syntax highlighting? 22:25:41 or, going the other way, use a wooden table? 22:25:44 Is it like "require enterprise style coding"? 22:25:52 -!- ent0nces has joined. 22:26:02 It could be nonstandard syntax highlighting. 22:27:06 Although a bar at the bottom says "Java". 22:28:03 -!- ent0nces_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:31:25 -!- ent0nces_ has joined. 22:35:00 -!- ent0nces has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:37:50 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 22:40:00 -!- ent0nces has joined. 22:43:10 -!- ent0nce__ has joined. 22:43:38 -!- ent0nces_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:43:49 -!- nycs has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 22:44:10 -!- nycs has joined. 22:45:04 -!- carado has joined. 22:45:56 -!- ent0nces has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:46:31 -!- nycs has quit (Client Quit). 22:46:39 -!- boily has joined. 22:47:01 -!- `^_^v has joined. 22:47:17 -!- ent0nce__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:53:14 -!- ent0nces has joined. 22:57:43 -!- ent0nces has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:00:39 -!- Caesura has joined. 23:02:19 -!- ent0nces has joined. 23:03:42 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:07:07 -!- ent0nces has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 23:10:48 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:11:35 good moerjning? 23:11:56 bonsoint-er. 23:11:58 -!- ent0nces has joined. 23:12:05 int-evening 23:12:18 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:12:24 dhoily 23:13:04 now I want to fast forward 3 weeks... 23:13:26 (and two days) 23:15:01 -!- oerjan has set topic: Recommended by pi out of 5 doctors! | The international hub of esoteric programming | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | Note: people with cloaks will be treated as if they're from Chemnitz (not Karl-Marx-Stadt). 23:16:08 `` date 'today+23 days' 23:16:18 -!- ent0nces has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:16:26 date: invalid date `today+23 days' 23:16:29 darn 23:16:33 `` date '23 days' 23:16:39 date: invalid date `23 days' 23:16:46 hmm 23:16:50 oerjan: it's today+23days 23:16:51 > chr (ord 'd' + 23) 23:16:52 is this even GNU's date parser? :-D 23:16:53 '{' 23:16:53 the space matters 23:16:57 gnu date parser is stupid 23:16:59 I prefer 23:17:09 -!- jaboja has joined. 23:17:13 [wiki] [[Smallfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46845&oldid=40009 * LegionMammal978 * (+13) /* External resources */ 23:17:55 `` date 'today+23days' 23:17:56 date: invalid date `today+23days' 23:18:14 i'm going with "no" 23:19:20 > 26+23-30 23:19:21 19 23:19:33 `perl -e use Date::Manip::Date 6.30; $d = Date::Manip::Date->new("today"); $i = $d->new_delta("+23 days"); print $d->calc($i)->printf("%O\n"); 23:19:35 Can't locate Date/Manip/Date.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at -e line 1. \ BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at -e line 1. 23:19:48 well, HackEgo doesn't run that, but that's what I'd do 23:20:13 because the gnu date parser is stupid 23:20:28 `` date -d 'today+23days' 23:20:30 Wed May 18 22:20:27 UTC 2016 23:20:33 i'm not sure it counts if it's harder to remember the syntax than to calculate in your head 23:20:36 it says 2016-05-19T00:00:00 on my machine (note that this is a timezone dependent today) 23:20:44 -!- ent0nces has joined. 23:20:53 oh 23:21:03 oerjan: what? I remember syntax without looking it up, except for the 6.30 version number 23:21:28 guys, is it bad if my first reflex to compute the date is to use Java? 23:21:32 (and that one I can omit on my home machine where I know I have a new enough version) 23:21:47 boily: very, very bad. 23:22:13 oerjan: ironically, the syntax I can't remember is actually 23:22:19 `cat bin/datei 23:22:23 ​#!/bin/sh \ exec date --rfc-3=n "$@" 23:22:41 --rfc-3 is actually an abbreviation for a longer rfc number, but I don't know that number 23:22:46 datei? any germans involved in that file name? 23:22:51 `culprits bin/datei 23:22:54 and you need the 3 because there's another long option starting with --rfc- 23:23:02 b_jonas b_jonas 23:23:49 int-e: nah, it's just that I use an i suffix in a lot of aliases I use that give saner options than the default when I don't just want to override the command with an alias of the same name 23:24:06 int-e: I have gapi, ffplayi, ffprobei, and more I think 23:24:07 let me check 23:24:24 no, only that four here 23:24:32 it stands for int-e hth 23:24:37 speaking of which what does int-e stand for 23:24:40 no, I think it originally stood for interactive 23:24:41 interrupt 0xe? 23:24:43 shachaf: me 23:24:54 In fact I stand for myself. 23:24:56 interrupt eh 23:25:56 -!- ent0nces has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 23:26:46 now we just need to know what happens on 18/19 May 23:27:12 > chr (ord 'd' + 23) 23:27:14 '{' 23:27:51 oh. 23:27:56 Oh by the way 23:28:53 i'm afraid i cannot guarantee that kind of regularity, hth 23:29:12 `? int-e 23:29:18 int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. 23:29:55 -!- ent0nces has joined. 23:30:05 oerjan: if you can't remember the syntax, here's one you can probably remember more easily. Go to http://www.timeanddate.com/ , follow the link “What Date is it in X Days?” to http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadd.html , click on the today link (needs javascript), enter 23 to the "Days" field, submit the button "Calculate new date". 23:30:23 `learn_append int-e Hen står för sig själv. 23:30:32 Learned 'int-e': int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. Hen står för sig själv. 23:31:05 oerjan: http://www.timeanddate.com/ is very useful, it's a site I'm really impressed with. They actually read my mails and fixed some of what I asked. 23:31:18 I need to get on that Sun project. 23:31:31 Reacting well to reports is something that really increases my confidence in software stuff. 23:31:39 s/confidence/trust/ 23:32:16 b_jonas: that's not very useful for channel musings hth 23:32:36 what's not very useful? 23:32:47 `? b_jonas 23:32:49 b_jonas egy nagyon titokzatos személy. Hollétéről egyelőre nem ismertek. 23:32:57 what about confidential trust issues 23:33:12 b_jonas: it's hard to make timeanddate.com give the result in the channel hth 23:33:46 oerjan: oh... hmm 23:33:50 yeah 23:33:54 at least convincingly 23:34:09 we could probably put something together with HackEgo's special http download command 23:34:13 but it wouldn't look too good 23:34:38 yes, if you want it in the channel then you have to stick to Date::Manip, unless it's one of those impossible tasks that Date::Manip can't do, like 23:35:07 `wget https://google.com 23:35:09 ​--2016-04-25 22:35:05-- https://google.com/ \ Resolving google.com (google.com)... failed: Name or service not known. \ wget: unable to resolve host address `google.com' 23:35:12 -!- ent0nces has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:35:30 `wget https://www.google.com 23:35:31 ​--2016-04-25 22:35:27-- https://www.google.com/ \ Resolving www.google.com (www.google.com)... failed: Name or service not known. \ wget: unable to resolve host address `www.google.com' 23:35:52 `help 23:35:52 Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ 23:36:04 FOLLOWING THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT'S RANDOM CHANGES OF WORKDAYS THAT THEY ANNOUCNE IN LIKE NOVEMBER OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND THEN DARE TO CHANGE IT IN DECEMBER SO EVERYONE IS CONFUSED ABOUT WHEN THEY HAVE TO WORK AND WHEN THEY DON'T AND NOBODY CAN PLAN AHEAD 23:36:10 itym `fetch 23:36:15 plus all the timezone changes around the world too 23:36:17 seriously 23:36:22 b_jonas: first we have get Gregor to (1) come here (2) fix the web proxy (3) add it to the whitelist. 23:36:37 currently stuck on step 1. 23:36:53 `fetch https://www.google.com/ 23:37:03 2016-04-25 22:36:57 URL:https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=C5weV-zxE4Si8we0rYGABg [10978] -> "index.html" [1] 23:37:13 `cat index.html 23:37:15 Google