00:00:01 -!- sebbu has joined. 00:00:13 olsner, a little of both columns 00:00:54 -!- Lilly_Goodman has joined. 00:03:55 `relcome Lilly_Goodman 00:04:13 ​Lilly_Goodman: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 00:04:16 and where's that Spanish version again... 00:04:21 `welcome.es Lilly_Goodman 00:04:26 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome.es: not found 00:04:27 `bienvenido Lilly_Goodman 00:04:34 Lilly_Goodman: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.) 00:07:47 gracias 00:08:09 olsner: I'll stop digging... that "alot" link came after the "alot" entry in bin/list (later to become bin/slist)... reading logs I believe Bike added el liot to that list against his wishes and oerjan defused it (in a private message, 2 days later). 00:08:26 int-e: ok :) 00:09:13 (this kind of archeology is fun but takes too much time...) 00:10:48 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:12:54 b_jonas: Probably because of the massive botnet I'm subhosting through it 00:13:01 argh! why's my comupter slow? 00:21:35 -!- p34k has quit. 00:26:45 -!- tromp has joined. 00:27:23 hppavellon[1]. b_jonas says "argh"? 00:27:56 boily: Yeah, b_jonas is a pirate. Did you not know? 00:28:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Quit: Connection reset by Pierce). 00:28:59 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:29:37 Dammit, Pierce 00:32:14 b_jonas: b_jellonaaaaaarghs. 00:32:27 hppavilion[1]: somebody you know? 00:32:41 boily: What was my quit message? 00:33:29 hppavilion[1] (~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net) a quitté (Quit: Connection reset by Pierce) 00:33:51 it was too 00:34:19 -!- jaboja has joined. 00:42:50 -!- Lilly_Goodman has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:44:28 -!- Lilly_Goodman has joined. 00:46:51 -!- FireFly has quit (Changing host). 00:46:51 -!- FireFly has joined. 01:08:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:23:55 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:24:37 -!- tromp has joined. 01:25:32 `wisdom 01:26:15 -!- Lilly_Goodman has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:26:25 precision/78.75211317% of the time precision is totally overrated. 01:26:51 `? 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Nadie lo sabe. 01:30:15 `? hppavilion[2] 01:30:21 hppavilion[2]? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:30:23 -!- Lilly_Goodman has joined. 01:30:30 hppavilion[3223] 01:30:47 hppavilion[e] 01:35:25 -!- esowiki has joined. 01:35:29 -!- esowiki has joined. 01:35:30 -!- esowiki has joined. 01:36:02 -!- esowiki has joined. 01:36:06 -!- esowiki has joined. 01:36:06 -!- esowiki has joined. 01:36:39 -!- esowiki has joined. 01:36:40 -!- glogbot has joined. 01:36:43 -!- esowiki has joined. 01:36:43 -!- esowiki has joined. 01:43:21 -!- boily has quit (Quit: EMPATH CHICKEN). 01:53:07 -!- Anarchokawaii has joined. 01:53:22 has anyone ever thought of making a scope oriented language 01:54:47 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:55:33 hello 01:58:26 <\oren\> maybe I should add phoenician 01:58:50 <\oren\> or is it pheonitian? 01:59:42 <\oren\> no i apparently speled it right the first time 01:59:53 <\oren\> it's just a weird looking word 02:00:25 \oren\ 02:00:59 what if someone made a scope oriented language 02:02:09 <\oren\> scope oriented? what would that mean? 02:02:34 like 02:02:45 it's highly specific about scopes and stuff 02:02:54 so much of the syntax 02:03:08 would be oriented about which scope something is in 02:03:50 i just think it kinda is annoying that you are limited to 3 scopes in most programming languages 02:17:35 -!- Deepfriedice has joined. 02:21:32 What would the other scope be? 02:25:16 -!- Lilly_Goodman has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 02:25:50 not four 02:25:58 and infinite amout of scopes 02:27:37 like if you had some like : if(if(if(if()))). you could make the variable using in the first and third if statements 02:27:50 but not the second and fourth 02:29:53 had some fun :) https://i.gyazo.com/8433cd03d9dcefe42e89123c3d8af385.png 02:30:18 -!- jaboja has joined. 02:33:25 I suppose the syntax highlighter does not work with trigraphs? 02:35:27 -!- Lilly_Goodman has joined. 02:40:04 -!- Lilly_Goodman has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 02:56:35 hppavilion[1] 02:56:48 rdococ: Busy 02:56:53 Anarchokawaii: why not make scopes the reason the language is TC? 02:56:54 I should probably have IRC closed ATM 02:56:56 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:57:41 rdococ: If there is a way to do that, then OK 03:09:34 -!- Reece` has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:28:25 who needs if anyway 03:42:40 BlooP/FlooP is still just as powerful if the IF command is removed 03:43:14 The last obfuscation couldn't run with -O3 enabled! I touched it up and now it's good https://i.gyazo.com/83683468854e449240973064166db01b.png 03:43:19 obfuscation is too fun 03:46:15 -!- Hurqalya has joined. 03:59:43 does anyone know the gif format well enough to write a gif mostly by hand? 04:00:02 http://giflib.sourceforge.net/whatsinagif/bits_and_bytes.html i'm reading these docs and some things are confusing 04:00:51 like, what's the difference between the color resolution and the size of the color table? :\ 04:00:57 in their example it's the same value 04:01:00 I don't know it well enough, although I have once written a program to alter the palette of a GIF picture 04:01:09 neat 04:01:49 i'm just writing a program to generate a gif from a go match 04:02:33 izabera: i suppose one could write an uncompressed gif by hand, but i aint gonna try to get optimal lzw compression with mental math :p 04:02:54 well i'll do uncompressed first 04:03:57 surely it won't take too much space anyway, it uses like only 3 colors and at most ~300 frames 04:05:52 -!- Hurqalya has left. 04:06:28 hmm...i'd use matlab for that 04:06:53 what :D 04:06:57 -!- XorSwap has joined. 04:11:54 if i wanted to generate go gifs from move lists 04:12:06 i'd write a matlab script 04:12:20 because it is easy to output animated gifs 04:13:49 but i want to do it by hand :3 04:13:53 for reasons 04:13:58 like 04:14:09 like learning purposes i guess 04:14:23 by typing bytes into a text editor one by one? 04:14:44 not that hardcore 04:14:57 just generating them will be fine 04:15:43 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 04:16:30 i already have a way to do it, with a program called sgf2misc 04:16:34 but it's so slow 04:17:00 you know how there are games of "werewolf" in irc channels? 04:17:00 and it outputs separate gif files and you have to create the animation with imagemagick 04:17:16 why hasn't a murder mystery game been ported to irc yet? 04:17:37 You could also to output PNG or Farbfeld, and then combine with ImageMagick (and ffpng if necessary) 04:17:39 https://i.imgur.com/9L90oYk.gif sample output 04:18:02 farbfeld is big endian :| 04:18:06 https://github.com/quintopia/gifslideshow 04:18:48 nice :o 04:19:16 Yes it is big endian, although it can still be use 04:19:22 imwrite is supercool 04:19:51 zzo38: too late i've already wrote like 5 lines of code so i have to finish this now 04:19:58 OK 04:20:50 and i just downloaded a 3mb gif of quintopia's dog and i'm tethering on my mobile 04:20:56 lolol 04:21:13 hope you bought a lot of bandwidth 04:21:26 2gb/mo 04:24:03 ouch 04:28:05 -!- Sgeo__ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 04:28:24 izabera: heres a better example at only 80mb! http://rutteric.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/river_crossing.gif 04:29:24 nothx 04:29:59 -!- Sgeo has joined. 04:30:04 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:30:17 dolphin crashes trying to load and display it 04:32:05 izabera: heres a small one showing all the frames of the gif blended together: http://rutteric.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/action_river_crossing.png 04:33:36 nice 04:44:37 -!- XorSwap has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:38:29 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:38:49 rdococ: You would like the substance "Vertiasium" 05:38:55 (Atomic number i) 05:39:21 -!- oerjan has joined. 05:42:25 hmph 05:42:33 @messages- 05:42:33 boily said 7h 44m 34s ago: hellørjan. 05:43:25 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o oerjan. 05:45:28 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -b *!*canaima@*.dyn.movilnet.com.ve. 05:45:51 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: +b Lilly_Goodman!*canaima@*. 05:45:52 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:46:31 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan. 05:53:22 -!- tromp has joined. 05:57:28 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 06:08:32 Hum. There's actually an SSH client for DOS. 06:08:39 This oddly doesn't surprise me. 06:14:43 Kaynato> May be of interest: http://phys.org/news/2016-03-language-cells.html <-- definitely suspicious about the date, here 06:33:10 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:41:55 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 06:45:33 -!- jaboja has joined. 06:50:15 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 06:54:54 -!- tromp has joined. 06:59:39 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:08:55 -!- Anarchokawaii has left. 07:09:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:11:10 -!- ais523 has joined. 07:41:33 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:43:22 [wiki] [[Daoyu]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46739&oldid=46737 * Oerjan * (+2) Tone marks, just because 08:16:44 * oerjan thinks his brain won't understand Daoyu on the first few iterations. 08:26:20 -!- jaboja has joined. 09:04:46 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Too much noise). 09:08:21 -!- atehwa has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:14:24 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:22:00 If a language is 1-dimensional textually but 2-dimensional conceptually 09:22:22 Should it be categorized as "Two-dimensional languages"? 09:23:39 Taneb: see how I categorised Formula :-D 09:24:33 The language I'm thinking about is COMPLEX, which I need to finish the article for but is described on my esolangs page 09:24:37 more seriously, Paintfuck fits your description and doesn't seem to be categorized as multi-dimensional 09:25:06 I'd call COMPLEX two-dimensional 09:25:13 Instructions are conceptually laid out on a grid but written sequentially with line numbers describing their location a la BASIC 09:26:28 I feel like COMPLEX is the language of mine I'd have the easiest time writing a compiler for 09:28:10 I might give it ago after my exam on the 15th 09:28:25 well, the physical order of the source doesn't matter, right? 09:28:37 just like you can line-permute a BASIC program and it doesn't change the meaning 09:29:11 Not at all 09:29:22 I ran the example program through shuf 09:29:48 Is this a "syntax is the least important part of a language" situation? 09:31:01 I think so, unless you're trying very hard to make it relevant 09:31:10 (which in this case you might be; I'm not sure) 09:31:45 The syntax was where I started with the language 09:31:59 I wanted BASIC but with complex line numbers, and a way to make them useful 09:32:31 And then I added features until I thought it had enough features 09:32:41 And then I removed GOTO because I realised it wasn't necessary 09:33:25 That's basically how the language happened 09:34:50 I mostly did it to see how easy it was to use Alex and Happy for lexing and parsing in Haskell 09:35:31 (the answer is "easier than I expected, and for this an awful lot easier than parsec" 09:39:23 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: Boot toot reboot). 09:43:07 -!- FreeFull has joined. 10:11:37 ugh, I'm trying this old "mirc" client again because I want to make an IRC bot and I'm too lazy to use anything that's actually remotely useful 10:17:33 ais, I'm not actually using it right now 10:18:05 -!- jaboja has joined. 10:25:04 -!- ais523 has quit. 10:34:54 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:00:14 -!- Deepfriedice has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:22:55 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:28:30 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 12:11:45 -!- jaboja has joined. 12:19:33 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 12:20:46 -!- Reece` has joined. 12:20:51 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 12:21:28 -!- Reece` has quit (Client Quit). 12:31:50 -!- tromp has joined. 12:36:21 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 12:48:48 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 12:56:08 -!- zadock has joined. 12:57:53 -!- boily has joined. 13:08:20 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! 13:08:24 I'm out of coffee! 13:28:10 must be a glitch in the matrix -- watch out for agents! 13:33:48 -!- p34k has joined. 13:38:09 <\oren\> boily: quick , to the national coffee repository in Alert! 13:41:33 Alert is far, and cold, and I need to take a shower, and... 13:42:10 I'll simply go to that new hipster café on the corner. 13:43:02 all because my favourite place to get freshly ground beans is closed on Sundays. 13:48:21 -!- jaboja has joined. 14:08:52 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 14:11:32 <\oren\> I prefer Italian coffeeshops 14:12:05 <\oren\> mostly for familiarity 14:13:15 <\oren\> I wonder where the Georgian alphabet came from? 14:16:18 -!- tromp has joined. 14:17:07 \oren\: someone saw the rich history of the {Phoenician, Greek, Coptic, Latin, Blackletter, Old Church Slavonic, Russian, Serbian} family of alphabets, with all the crazy variants of cursive writing that gave rise to different sets of lowercase letters, and decided to one-up it, 14:17:14 just to show that he's the best conscripter ever. 14:18:03 \oren\: and they hid a lot of evidence to fool archeologists that it has a two thousand year old history, plus mind controlled ten thousand people to start teaching it. 14:18:46 \oren\: She probably also saw the Armenian alphabet, and correctly figured out that that's the *wrong* way to create an alphabet not derived from phoenician. 14:20:12 ? 14:20:25 անհեթեթություն: 14:21:25 That does not render for me 14:21:47 <\oren\> it's Armenian letters 14:22:27 I went to look at the alphabet on Wikipedia 14:22:29 <\oren\> I recently noticed that my font is missing some Georgian letters 14:22:45 It looks... influenced by Cyrillic/Greek/Latin 14:23:39 <\oren\> yah, armenian looks like alternate-universe latin or something, while georgian looks like nothing I can describe 14:24:12 Taneb: the typography of Georgian is influenced a lot by Greek, Latin, Cyrillic, whereas Hebrew and Arabic and Braille and the American Sign Language fingerspelling have completely different typographical conventions from Latin. 14:25:00 \oren\, Georgian and Burmese I get mixed up 14:25:11 Taneb: However, the letter shapes of Georgian aren't derived from Phoenician, Greek, Latin etc, whereas the letter shapes (and alphabetic order where approperiate) of Hebrew, Arabic, and some of european Braille and ASL fingerspelling _are_ derived from it. 14:25:29 The typography and the letters are two different dimensions. 14:26:04 <\oren\> Taneb: ooh, interesting 14:26:31 I'd be extremely surprised if they share a common influence, though 14:28:10 -!- Reece` has joined. 14:28:17 <\oren\> ⤴⤵⤶⤷ <- unicode doesn't appear to have the reverses of any of these arrows 14:28:27 And just like how Latin and Cyrillic had tons of different historical variants that look unlike each other at first, Georgian does too. 14:28:53 I do find it interesting that Hangul (Korean alphabet) was designed specifically and intentionally to be easy to learn 14:29:21 \oren\: it would be fun if LTR/RTL switched the directions of arrows 14:30:16 `? duck typing 14:30:41 Duck typing means typing on a terminal blinding without an echo. 14:31:58 duck typing is a survival competition involving typewriters on a shooting range 14:31:59 wait, that has a typo 14:32:13 `slashlearn duck typing/Duck typing means typing on a terminal blindly without an echo. 14:32:20 Relearned «duck typing» 14:32:21 `? duck typing 14:32:24 Duck typing means typing on a terminal blindly without an echo. 14:32:43 -!- boily has quit (Quit: NUMISMATIC CHICKEN). 14:33:46 Duck typing is the art of telling apart members of the anatidae family. 14:36:42 <\oren\> I can't even teel the difference between geese and swans 14:36:47 <\oren\> *tell 14:37:32 \oren\, you should go to the other York University 14:37:40 We've got thousands of the blighters 14:38:18 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 14:38:20 <\oren\> the best I can do in identifying them is "look it's a big duck" 14:38:51 (you are at York University, Toronto, right? Or am I getting you mixed up?) 14:39:09 <\oren\> you're getting me mixed up with my dad 14:39:17 Oh, fair 14:39:19 <\oren\> he works there 14:39:23 I knew there was a connection 14:39:31 <\oren\> I work at Soundhound 14:39:33 I'd like to visit, mostly to annoy my friends at uni 14:39:46 I'm a student at University of York, York 14:40:30 <\oren\> my dad has gone to University of York, deliberately to cause confusion 14:40:49 :D 14:41:02 There's one person in the computer science department here who is apparently a professor at both 14:42:01 https://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~paige/ 14:43:57 -!- zadock has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:48:30 both of what? 14:48:57 both yorks 14:49:01 oh, both universities 14:49:07 `? york 14:49:10 York used to be known as Amsterdam. 14:49:16 `? yolk 14:49:17 yolk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:49:28 I assumed he meant a professor of both computer science and some other science. 14:49:39 Like mathematics or birdology. 14:50:27 surely you mean numerology 14:50:49 No, birdology. The science of duck typing. 14:52:01 b_jonas, both universities, I should have been clearer, sorry 14:53:09 the "at" should've been enough of a hint 14:55:04 int-e, not necessarily, one can be an attorney at law 14:55:05 -!- atrapado has joined. 14:55:19 int-e: yeah, maybe 14:55:28 I wouldn't be surprised if there was an English dialect wherein one could be a professor at computer science 14:56:19 maybe I didn't read careful enough to pick that up, or maybe I just don't read English well enough to pick that up 14:56:39 "Usually, if born in a multiple-of-12 year, like 1980, you’re a Monkey." 14:57:24 This interpretation game can be much funnier when you read an unclear sentence in an old book where you can't ask the writer, and try to figure out what he meant by grammatical nuances 14:57:58 I played it at http://french.stackexchange.com/q/12410/6114 14:59:02 int-e, Chinese zodiac? 14:59:10 I'm year-of-the-dog, I think 15:00:06 wtf, https://missashleyfirstgrade.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/prepositions.png 15:02:46 And yes, Chinese zodiac. I was curious what the animal of the year is. 15:03:13 int-e: hehehe 15:03:25 int-e: that reminds me to bonsaikitten 15:03:27 `? bonsaikitten 15:03:28 bonsaikitten? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:04:23 * int-e is failing to parse "bonsaikitten" as a verb 15:04:46 `learn Bonsaikitten is the cat typing behind the glass of the CRT when you run the cat command. 15:04:51 Learned 'bonsaikitten': Bonsaikitten is the cat typing behind the glass of the CRT when you run the cat command. 15:06:30 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 15:10:29 so apparently there's a german punk rock band called "Bonsai Kitten" ... inspired by the hoax, of course. 15:52:12 -!- Kaynato has joined. 15:54:34 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:03:10 `? ceiling cat 16:03:11 ceiling cat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 16:03:13 `? basement cat 16:03:13 basement cat? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 16:18:45 <\oren\> prepositioning is the art of placing troops in strategically advantageous places efore the outbreak of conflict. Joseph Stalin was total fail at this. 16:23:42 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:29:40 -!- idris-bot has quit (Quit: Terminated). 16:29:59 -!- idris-bot has joined. 16:55:14 -!- tromp has joined. 16:59:22 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:06:53 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:07:56 -!- ^v has joined. 17:08:40 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:10:05 -!- boily has joined. 17:10:07 @tell int-e olsner: I'll stop digging... [...] <-- pretty much as i remember it, anyway. 17:10:07 Consider it noted. 17:10:20 bood evenily 17:10:39 hellœrjan. 17:30:11 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 17:34:19 -!- ais523 has joined. 17:38:40 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:43:05 [wiki] [[Merthese]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46740&oldid=40960 * 50.160.119.44 * (+70) Add Tari's LLVM-backed compiler 17:45:22 * oerjan saw this in norwegian and managed to google the english version http://www.gocomics.com/wumo/2016/03/28 17:47:42 (oh and it's political hth) 17:54:51 a race of Trump hairdos? what next will come out of Norway... 17:55:11 boily: denmark, actually 17:55:34 <\oren\> I work at Soundhound <-- you should design a digital duck whistle for Taneb twh 17:56:16 actually, soundhound should be something that can track ducks by sound. 18:00:05 SoundHound's Android app has annoying notifications. 18:00:48 I'm year-of-the-dog, I think <-- hey me too! that means you're 24 years younger than me hth 18:03:15 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:03:23 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:10:37 -!- Kaynato has joined. 18:11:38 <\oren\> `unidecode ⛨ 18:11:52 ​[U+26E8 BLACK CROSS ON SHIELD] 18:12:32 <\oren\> hmm is that a unicode symbol for crusades? 18:12:51 you'd think that should be red cross 18:13:09 or did that depend 18:14:28 hm knights templar seem to be red, while knights hospitaller are white on black 18:15:24 -!- bb010g has joined. 18:17:33 -!- lleu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:19:58 \oren\: oh, the teutonic order is black on white. not quite the same style though. 18:24:01 24? aren't there only twelve Chinese zodiac signs? 18:24:48 boily: yes, but i don't think Taneb is 12 years younger than me. 18:25:13 or 36, for that matter. 18:26:32 one never knows! Tanebiology is a weird domain. 18:26:51 also, any other dragons in this chännel? 18:26:59 twist: Taneb is 24 years older than oerjan and has been fooling us all about his age. 18:27:23 very plausible. 18:27:52 `? thausible 18:27:53 thausible? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 18:27:59 huh? 18:28:06 `` ls wisdom/th* 18:28:09 wisdom/thanks ants \ wisdom/thausiblee \ wisdom/the \ wisdom/thé \ wisdom/the meaning of life \ wisdom/the neverending work \ wisdom/theory \ wisdom/the question \ wisdom/the reals \ wisdom/the them \ wisdom/the torus \ wisdom/the u \ wisdom/the universe \ wisdom/the us \ wisdom/things boily likes \ wisdom/thirt \ wisdom/this \ wisdom/this sentenc 18:28:16 `? thausiblee 18:28:18 A thausiblee is the recipient of a thausible action. 18:28:30 `? thé 18:28:31 Thé is an oddly-spelled hot beverage popular in the Commonwealth. 18:29:18 `learn Caffè is an oddly-spelled hot beverage popular in Italy. 18:29:25 Learned 'caffè': Caffè is an oddly-spelled hot beverage popular in Italy. 18:30:40 <\oren\> I have no idea if there is a difference between é and è or what that difference might be 18:30:59 è is much more grave. 18:31:02 <\oren\> To me they're all "e with a thingy on top" 18:31:50 <\oren\> I can tell the difference between e with a thingy and e with two thingies on top though 18:32:19 \oren\: but they're completely different things! the grave accent is what Italian uses to mark the stressed syllable, the acute accent is what Russian uses to mark the stressed syllable. Isn't that obvious? 18:32:34 I'm trying to work out what circumstances in which the name "thausiblee" would be useful 18:32:45 "thausible" is mostly used for hypothetical actions, right? 18:33:04 it means that ignoring practical implications, there isn't an obvious reason why the action couldn't be taken 18:33:15 so is "thausiblee" for hypothetical situations too? 18:33:30 what 18:33:44 is this about thaums 18:33:51 <\oren\> speaking of accents why does ÿ exist? 18:34:18 <\oren\> does german umlaut y into like a u or something 18:34:43 "replacing someone's brain with a brick is difficult, but if you're talking about placing a brick in their stomach, person X would make a good thausiblee" 18:35:01 \oren\: oh heck 18:35:11 \oren\: I think the y with umlaut is messed up in my font 18:35:50 whÿ? 18:35:53 \oren\: and it exists but it's VERY RARE. like, it occurs in French place names and other proper nouns that they didn't want to spell normally, just for the kicks. there's no point to actually have that letter, compared to y 18:36:06 [wiki] [[NetBytes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46741&oldid=46728 * Iconmaster * (+200) Added the connection stack. I think it's necessary for any interesting computational class. 18:36:10 I'll fix my font quick 18:37:07 could it be used as a diaresis? 18:37:15 when vowel-y immediately precedes another vowel? 18:37:21 * ais523 tries to think of a word where that happens 18:37:46 hmm, ỳ and ý and ŷ are messed up too 18:38:19 ais523: what diphtongue would that prevent? 18:38:27 um 18:38:39 \oren\: ÿ exists in French for extremely uncommon village names hth 18:38:40 I'm not sure if there are any dipthongs that start with y 18:39:01 <\oren\> L'Haÿ-les-Roses 18:39:21 -!- iconmaster has joined. 18:39:32 hmm, how is "ayy" (as in "ayy lmao") pronounced? 18:39:34 é represents a é sound, where è is è hth 18:39:36 in particular, is it a tripthong? 18:39:50 <\oren\> le ha EE les rose? 18:39:52 /æj:/? 18:39:54 I pronounce it like 'aye'. 18:40:04 ais523: I think it would be the same as ay 18:40:27 ais523: that is, probably something like /ɛi/ or /ei/ 18:40:37 b_jonas: in which case, a ÿ would be theoretically useful in the sequence aÿy 18:40:45 \oren\: /lai.lɛ.ʁoz/ 18:40:46 ais523: why? 18:41:01 because it'd be pronounced as ay-y, not ayy 18:41:03 Of course, I also pronounce "lmao" like "luh-mouh", so don't trust me here. 18:41:06 ais523: would it make multiple /i/ sounds one after the other? I don't think that's actually a pronunciation distinction they pronounce 18:41:13 /lmao/ 18:41:18 wait, let me look up, there are conjugated verbs with "ii" in the written form 18:41:19 <\oren\> el-Mao 18:41:31 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Mychal * New user account 18:41:39 b_jonas: in French? yes, there are. 18:41:43 also, there was a relevant entry on David Madore's blog with a word that he thinks should be spelled with ö 18:42:03 (which is not a letter than normally exists in French) 18:42:32 b_jonas: ay-y where the second y is a consonant, as opposed to ayy which is one vowel 18:43:43 like, say you pay someone in yams 18:43:45 ais523: /i/ is either a vowel, or a semi-vowel spelled /j/, which is just /i/ but shorter. I don't think /ij/ would be distinguished from /i/ thus. 18:43:45 [wiki] [[FISHQ9+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46742&oldid=46267 * Mychal * (+1843) Added Kotlin implementation 18:43:59 those would be paÿyams, whereas "payyams" might be pronounced "paiams" 18:44:09 <\oren\> I thought ayy was pronounced like the letter A as /ej/ 18:44:44 ais523: hmm, you might be right 18:45:10 ais523: https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Annexe:Conjugaison_en_fran%C3%A7ais/rire says riiez is pronounced /ʁij.je/ 18:45:15 (seriously) 18:46:01 well, I never really understood how the french semi-vowels are supposed to work 18:46:19 <\oren\> maybe the /i/ is a bit more toaward /ɪ/ and glides up toward /i/? 18:46:38 <\oren\> and they write that as /ij/ 18:46:52 I pretend they're just variants of vowels that the linguists invented to claim that the two meanings of "suis" are distinguished in pronunciations 18:47:12 is this about thaums <-- no, we're just splitting hairs. at least in the realities that survived, hth. 18:49:23 * ais523 tries to think of a word where that happens <-- cyanide hth 18:49:45 oerjan: doesn't really work because "ya" doesn't have a pronounciation as a single vowel 18:51:57 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Ÿ). 18:52:28 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 18:54:08 -!- sebbu has joined. 18:54:17 ah, found it! it's http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2012-08-07.2061.html#d.2012-08-07.2061 and it's even more ridiculous than I remembered 18:55:06 he suggests the spelling “arguë́”, with an e with diæresis and acute accent, as well as “arguöns” with an o with diæresis 18:55:12 -!- tromp has joined. 18:55:46 hilariöus 18:59:57 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 19:02:22 (he also suggests a new grammatical tense for verbs, and I know way too little about the already existing grammatical tenses in French to be able to make sense of what that even means) 19:15:42 passé composté 19:16:39 for actions that are _quite_ finished. 19:17:17 wait, composter doesn't mean that in french? 19:19:28 hm wiktionary is _very_ confusing on the issue. 19:20:10 ah french wiktionary is better, it does mean that too. 19:22:55 -!- mychal has joined. 19:25:51 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 19:28:30 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:41:53 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 19:47:26 -!- mychal has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:51:13 -!- me2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:56:36 -!- tromp has joined. 20:00:24 -!- Kaynato has joined. 20:00:44 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:00:50 I have a theory about time travel in (this) universe 20:01:05 hppavilion[1]: is the theory that it's impossible? 20:01:06 I call it the "Continuational Theory of Temporal Anomalies" 20:01:07 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:01:10 b_jonas: No 20:01:14 aww 20:01:16 b_jonas: But it explains why we can't see it 20:01:43 b_jonas: My theory goes that, when the proper conditions arise, a new sort of particle is created 20:01:51 This particle is called the "Continuation Particle" 20:02:07 The continuation particle drifts through the universe like any other particle 20:02:35 Except, when it interacts in the proper way with another particle (probably getting close enough) 20:02:47 The universe reverts to the moment that the continuation particle was created 20:03:06 And everything continues the same way, EXCEPT that the continuation particle is replaced with the particle it collided with 20:03:18 It fits with the LISPiverse theory quite nicely 20:04:17 b_jonas: Get it? 20:04:19 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 20:04:31 `? call/cc 20:04:35 call/cc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:04:37 What. 20:04:43 `? call-with-current-continuation 20:04:46 call-with-current-continuation? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:04:56 we all know what call/cc does anyway, or should 20:05:10 ais523: Yes, but that's the perfect opportunity for a call/cc joke 20:05:28 ais523: Sort of like http://esolangs.org/wiki/Lazy_evaluation 20:05:43 ais523: How do you like my theory? 20:06:04 hppavilion[1]: this is how time travel works in Feather 20:06:06 `? Feather 20:06:08 Feather? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:06:12 `? feather 20:06:14 feather? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:06:17 oh good 20:12:11 ais523: Isn't `? case-insensitive? 20:12:23 I wasn't sure 20:12:51 ais523: Ah 20:12:54 `? lisp 20:12:55 lisp? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:15:07 `le/rn lisp/(eq "lisp" (proglang-with (use-lots ["(" ")"]) (paradigm functional) (notation-type prefix))) 20:15:11 Learned «lisp» 20:15:15 `? lisp 20:15:16 ​(eq "lisp" (proglang-with (use-lots ["(" ")"]) (paradigm functional) (notation-type prefix))) 20:15:23 -!- lleu has joined. 20:15:23 -!- lleu has quit (Changing host). 20:15:23 -!- lleu has joined. 20:15:38 does proglang-with autoquote its arguments? 20:15:38 ais523: Is that joke sufficient? 20:15:54 ais523: Not exactly 20:16:11 ais523: Its arguments yield attributes 20:16:22 ais523: (use-lots, paradigm, and notation-type) 20:16:37 I considered that but decided it was excessively Java 20:16:52 ais523: And proglang-with combines those attributes to yield a programming language 20:16:56 ais523: It's not strictly OO 20:17:04 ais523: It's a cousin of OO 20:17:20 so is Java :-P 20:18:05 But less horrible, as it doesn't use state change 20:18:05 ais523: "attributes" doesn't mean object fields. 20:18:17 -!- me2 has joined. 20:18:22 ais523: (paradigm x) and (notation-type x) are actually semi-sugar for dictionary lookups 20:18:31 yes but you're still writing a function that returns data values that are then used to construct an object 20:18:39 ais523: Fair enough 20:18:40 in other words, you have a factory attribute factory 20:18:59 ais523: Fine, it's OO, but done in a LISPy way 20:19:08 ais523: If you have a better joke, use it. 20:19:19 I'd just have added a few apostrophes 20:19:31 or written it as cons cells 20:19:31 ais523: Fine, I'll do that 20:19:56 `le/rn lisp/(eq "lisp" (proglang-with '(use-lots ["(" ")"]) '(paradigm functional) '(notation-type prefix))) 20:19:59 Relearned «lisp» 20:20:34 `? lisp 20:20:35 ​(eq "lisp" (proglang-with '(use-lots ["(" ")"]) '(paradigm functional) '(notation-type prefix))) 20:20:52 `? python 20:20:53 python? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:21:22 `le/rn python := ProgrammingLanguage(plattrs['WHITESPACE_SENSITIVE 20:21:23 No output. 20:21:25 Whoops 20:21:43 The := was a mistake, first of all 20:22:35 `le/rn python/python = ProgrammingLanguage(attrs=[plattrs['WHITESPACE_SENSITIVE'], plattrs['INTERPRETED'], *plparadigms['IMPERATIVE', 'FUNCTIONAL']]) 20:22:41 Dammit 20:22:48 `le/rn python/python = ProgrammingLanguage(attrs=[plattrs['WHITESPACE_SENSITIVE'], plattrs['INTERPRETED'], *plparadigms['IMPERATIVE', 'FUNCTIONAL']]) 20:22:51 Learned «python» 20:22:53 `? python 20:22:55 python = ProgrammingLanguage(attrs=[plattrs['WHITESPACE_SENSITIVE'], plattrs['INTERPRETED'], *plparadigms['IMPERATIVE', 'FUNCTIONAL']]) 20:23:04 Not perfect, but it works 20:23:31 And plparadigms[x, y] is nice because it demonstrates the use of the __getitem__ method for custom objects 20:23:48 oerjan, that'd make you... 45? 20:24:37 I hate it when X11 breaks. 20:25:03 `? brainfuck 20:25:05 brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. 20:25:25 -!- shikhin has changed nick to totally_heddwch. 20:25:27 `le/rn_append brainfuck/bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang 20:25:30 Learned 'brainfuck': brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang 20:25:34 -!- totally_heddwch has changed nick to shikhin. 20:26:14 hehe, "mklang" 20:26:46 `` sed -i "s/mklang/mklang_arry" wisdom/brainfuck 20:26:47 sed: -e expression #1, char 20: unterminated `s' command 20:26:57 `` sed -i "s/mklang/mklang_arry/" wisdom/brainfuck 20:27:00 No output. 20:27:13 well, someone did make a trivial brainfuck substitution generator once 20:27:14 (I hope that mklang_arry is *nixy enough) 20:27:25 Actually, no 20:27:38 `` sed -i "s/mklang_arry/mklang --array" wisdom/brainfuck 20:27:39 sed: -e expression #1, char 28: unterminated `s' command 20:27:49 * hppavilion[1] is an idiot 20:27:57 `` sed -i "s/mklang_arry/mklang --array/" wisdom/brainfuck 20:28:01 No output. 20:28:05 `? brainfuck 20:28:06 brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array 20:28:22 Note that the `bf` command is, of course, a brainfuck interpreter 20:28:45 The -c flag obviously interprets its argument directly, and -t makes it return its tape 20:28:56 What? 20:29:04 Why are you doing these things to the wisdom database? 20:29:27 shachaf: I'm making definitions of languages in the languages themselves 20:29:46 Taneb: excellent arithmetic would buy again 20:30:15 Maybe put those somewhere else? They don't really fit in. 20:30:15 shachaf: brainfuck had to be *nix'd though, because it doesn't have support for the libraries that would be necessary for this 20:30:46 shachaf: Well, it started with lisp, because lisp didn't have a wisdom entry 20:30:51 shachaf: But I can do that if you like 20:31:05 `? lisp 20:31:06 ​(eq "lisp" (proglang-with '(use-lots ["(" ")"]) '(paradigm functional) '(notation-type prefix))) 20:31:26 oerjan, sorry for the slow response, I was having an accidental nap then getting a drink of water and otherwise not paying attention to IRC 20:31:52 oerjan, when is your birthday? 20:32:46 . o O ( after christmas ) 20:33:22 i was born on a perfect day hth 20:33:29 oerjan: the 6th and/or 28th? 20:33:35 both of those 20:33:36 hmm, 28th of June? 20:33:40 yes 20:34:14 it could only go downhill from there, really. 20:34:17 I forgot how to list all the channels I havr egistered 20:34:44 wow, shachaf was born on tau day? 20:34:49 no 20:34:50 oerjan 20:34:54 I mean 20:34:55 wait 20:35:03 who's the one who was born on a perfect day? 20:35:03 rdococ: /ns listchans is the closest I can see 20:35:06 I got confused 20:35:14 That may be the best argument pro tau that I've seen so far. 20:35:21 * oerjan swats rdococ -----### 20:35:21 look for channels where you have +F permission 20:35:24 please see the two words preceding "born on a perfect day" hth 20:35:27 int-e: well it doesn't work on me 20:35:50 oerjan: presumably you were born on 496-06-28 20:36:08 so all will be right again on 8128-06-28 20:36:30 dinosoerjan 20:36:34 tsk, what was I thinking... Channel #realworld created Tue Dec 29 05:00:21 2009 20:37:15 oerjan was born on tau day omg 20:37:37 * oerjan swats rdococ again for good measure -----### 20:37:37 * rdococ slaps oerjan with a trout ><> 20:38:09 shachaf: maybe not _that_ perfect. 20:38:40 I'm testing a new bot I just made, using a terrible scripting language - you get three guesses as to what it is 20:39:03 shachaf: Maybe rdococ just has absurdly short scrollback? 20:39:11 shachaf: Perhaps a newsbanner-style IRC client 20:39:17 doesn't matter 20:39:28 rdococ: php, lua, javascript, ruby... oops. 20:39:29 hppavilion[1]: nah, I was typing as I was reading 20:39:35 int-e: no, worse 20:39:39 shachaf: That would mean they couldn't see "I was born on a perfect day" 20:39:42 malbolge 20:39:50 * oerjan optimist 20:39:52 hppavilion[1]: but they responded to that comment 20:40:04 I was just reading while I typed it 20:40:06 shachaf: Yes, but they may have read it and then forgot who sent it 20:40:11 look 20:40:13 it doesn't matter 20:40:30 rdococ: bash? 20:40:31 oerjan, I was born on a prime day 20:40:50 no, I didn't read the part about oerjan until it was too late 20:40:53 well we now have proof rdococ is not a goldfish, since goldfish have reasonably good memory hth 20:40:56 int-e: no, even worse 20:41:09 dc 20:41:15 oerjan: what? I didn't forget anything... 20:41:20 int-e: nope, evener worser 20:41:24 rdococ: that's what you think 20:41:28 (impossible, sadly) 20:41:36 int-e: so mSL is better than dc? 20:41:42 Conclusion: rdococ is actually a goldfish? 20:41:51 (at least as far as I can see, dc cannot parse arbitrary input) 20:41:52 why would I be a goldfish? 20:42:05 int-e: MSL IS BETTER THAN SOMETHING?! 20:42:35 as I was saying, I'm testing my new murder mystery game on ##murder 20:43:15 rdococ: to be fair, dc wasn't designed to be a scripting language 20:43:25 mSL wasn't either by the looks of it 20:43:34 it has the weirdest syntax 20:43:37 it's almost esoteric 20:43:44 heck, it is esoteric 20:45:26 rdococ, use Awk instead 20:46:31 I hope I don't give people the wrong impression by calling my murder mystery game bot murderbot 20:46:40 it just got disconnected 21:09:23 what was the quit message 21:13:26 @ping 21:13:26 pong 21:18:10 > 1 21:18:13 1 21:40:58 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 21:40:58 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 21:40:58 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 21:40:58 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 21:41:39 ^ping 21:41:39 That Pong alone cannot stop! 21:41:50 that… is not what I was expecting 21:41:54 ^help 21:41:54 ^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool 21:42:00 ^show ping 21:42:00 (That Pong alone cannot stop!)S 21:42:09 well, that's the obvious way to write it in fungot 21:42:09 ais523: i have only seen the movie yet, but the result will come out first :) i am happy that you seem to prefer to use plain 32-bit rgb values 21:42:14 ^show 21:42:15 echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 8ball rreree rerere botsnack bf 21:42:34 hmm, 32-bit rgb, what are the other 8 bits? 2⅔ bits for each channel? alpha? gamma? 21:42:37 help, fungot is making sense! 21:42:37 b_jonas: right click and choose a simplistic implementation ( conses or vectors) you'd need 3 primitives. the word " fry" makes me nervous!! 21:43:03 ais523: 8 unused values usually; or 10+12+10 bits for rgb 21:43:05 fungot: would you prefer to be boiled? 21:43:05 int-e: you guys ever considered the concept, whereas partial continuations refers to the same port) or just use pastebin? can i borrow it? 21:43:07 both of those exist 21:43:13 b_jonas: why does the green get more bits? 21:43:33 is it just because it's double 5:6:5? 21:43:35 fungot: no, that thought had not occurred to me 21:43:36 int-e: here's the problem with that is you need to use set-car! and set-cdr! too. i tried ( set!... 21:43:46 ^style 21:43:46 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 21:43:54 right, that's what I thought it was 21:44:00 fungot's irc style normally produces the best results 21:44:00 ais523: the bash scripts in the language 21:44:26 now I'm wondering what esoteric subsets of bash exist 21:44:30 there's ddsh, at least 21:44:40 which the author of CLC-INTERCAL has used as an esolang 21:44:57 ais523: green matters more for the human eyes, that's why it gets more bits. but 8 bits for each of rgb and 8 unused bits is much more common 21:46:10 ... 21:46:32 b_jonas: right, this is something I discovered during the palette tests 21:46:49 ais523: one esoteric subset of bash is bash without execing anything else 21:46:52 dark greens are easier to see than dark reds or blues at a similar brightness 21:46:59 thus darker colours are more usable with green 21:47:05 people implement stuff in that sometimes, even when it doesn't make sense 21:47:08 Ugh 21:47:13 b_jonas: ddsh is basically that, except a) you can exec dd, and b) you can only use the subset that exists in sh 21:47:14 (sometimes it can make sense, when forking and execing is slow) 21:47:28 It's strange, because the irc style's also one of those I trained using my own, very crude fixed-length n-gram model collector, instead of the VariKN toolkit I used for most of the rest. 21:47:31 I'm implementing a BF interpreter and compiler, and I want the standard getch()-style input because it's better than buffering 21:47:32 I swear my internet just stopped for a minute 21:47:52 rdococ: mine too, if you mean irc 21:47:55 On the other hand, it's also much larger than the other styles. 21:48:01 and it's the second time 21:48:02 But I also want it to be able to set the input to a file instead of the stdin 21:48:02 oerjan: no, everything else 21:48:13 fizzie: oh, being bigger helps a lot 21:48:19 And if it's a file, it will work the same but read from the file 21:48:28 oerjan: wait, you mean it did take a whole minute for another person to say something? 21:48:35 But python has the stdin AS a file, so I cannot distinguish them 21:48:45 ^style europarl 21:48:45 Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) 21:48:46 But I want to, because if they're- oh, I think I know nhow 21:48:52 That one's approximately the same size. 21:48:58 huh...? 21:49:03 And I like it quite a lot, although it's pretty predictable. 21:49:03 internet's broken, but irc is fine? 21:49:19 fungot: What's your take on the migrant crisis? 21:49:20 fizzie: mr president, mrs cerdeira morterero' s report takes the same line, which caused such an uproar and upheaval that there are many, the people who suffer distress or die, and indirectly through greater transparency, even in the european union 21:50:16 -!- earendel has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:51:38 rdococ: it was more that a lot came through at once. 21:52:20 oerjan: nah, what happened was that the game I was playing froze - I could still move or jump or stuff, but everyone was walking in place, then eventually, it disconnected 21:52:47 internet's broken, but irc is fine? <-- DNS trouble? 21:53:14 I'll use Window's terrible diagnosis thing 21:53:32 although that _shouldn't_ matter for an ongoing game unless it's badly written? 21:53:44 what do you mean? 21:54:01 DNS should only matter if you need to make new connections 21:54:13 that's interesting... 21:54:25 are you saying that if I disconnect from this irc server, I won't be able to reconnect? 21:54:34 it's possible. 21:54:37 that makes sense about something that happened a few years ago 21:54:52 chrome mentions the dns 21:54:54 "DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN" 21:54:59 it's happened to me before. 21:55:17 the game was multiplayer 21:55:24 if so, try setting your DNS to something wellknown like 8.8.8.8 21:55:33 fizzie: retrain it with even more irc data! and train one from the lolcat bible 21:55:33 my DNS? 21:55:39 *DNS server 21:55:46 how do I do that? 21:55:53 that's one of google's 21:55:56 ik 21:55:58 no, the other sort of DNS 21:56:07 there are two kinds? 21:56:22 rdococ: can you open web pages, or are you still having trouble? 21:57:00 google doesn't work 21:57:15 oh, is this the kind of problem where you have to hope you're not disconnected from irc because you wouldn't be able to disconnect? 21:57:28 reconnect*? if so, yes 21:57:30 rdococ: turn off "Work offline" in the File menu 21:57:37 file menu? 21:57:41 in which program? 21:57:42 of the browser 21:57:45 firefox or similar 21:58:01 it's chrome, it has no file menu 21:58:12 I don't know about chrome 21:58:17 can't help there 21:59:22 indeed 21:59:26 it is that kind of problem 21:59:45 disconnected and tried to reconnect my bot 22:00:02 how do I set my dns 22:00:09 dhould I try IE? 22:00:27 it's not in the browser 22:00:35 but i'm having trouble refinding it 22:00:51 no, I mean, it might have a file menu 22:01:16 You can try opening a site by IP to verify whether it's indeed DNS trouble. Say, navigate to http://178.62.79.47/ in Chrome. 22:01:31 That works. 22:02:14 Then the 8.8.8.8 trick is likely to work, but I can't really comment on how to set it in Windows, I'm sure they've moved the setting around in every version of it. 22:02:22 windows 8 22:02:25 pls search it 22:02:36 i found how to display what the DNS server is, but not how to set it. i'm on W10 22:02:45 Well, I've got a page. 22:02:45 tell me how to display it 22:02:50 "This article will advise how to change your computer's IP address and DNS servers on Windows 8. This article applies to any version of Windows 8." 22:02:55 It has a lot of screenshots. 22:02:57 k 22:03:00 what do they say? 22:03:12 Well, they're mostly blue. There's a nice picture of a daisy as a background. 22:03:27 what should I type? 22:04:11 come on, it shouldn't take that long, and I'm worrying 22:04:12 The screenshots go Control Panel -> "Network and Sharing Center" -> "Change adapter settings" -> right-click on the network -> Properties -> Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCIP/IPv4) -> Properties -> "Use the following DNS server addresses". 22:05:11 ah that seems right 22:05:33 i didn't try to click on the Internet Protocol item 22:06:18 (Interestingly enough, the top hit for me for "windows 8 set dns server" -- the page I was quoting from -- was from the support site from the ISP I'm using. I wonder if that's just targeted ranking, or if they're just that good.) 22:06:22 so it works in Windows 10 too 22:07:07 aha 22:07:30 ABfCI is now officially online! 22:07:31 https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/ABfCI 22:07:35 rdococ 22:07:37 changed it to 8.8.8.8 22:07:54 it works 22:07:55 yay 22:10:31 Can anyone think of a stupider sounding maths word than "clopen"? 22:11:44 not off the top of my head 22:11:48 but I feel like I've encountered some 22:15:22 clopen? 22:15:29 both closed and open 22:16:44 rdococ, it comes up in topology which has technical definitions for closed and open sets 22:16:49 That aren't mutually exclusive