< 1459036833 818819 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the 60 minutes podcast is already freely available outside US...why take it from US? < 1459036941 657230 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :All Europeans: Prepare your time machines! | The international hub of esoteric programming language and font design | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | The kitten typesetting channel < 1459037128 479610 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: to save it before trump becomes president, of course! < 1459037152 73090 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-evening < 1459037257 117465 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i cant see him winning < 1459037358 350714 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: It is not, unfortunately. < 1459037375 139531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, I'd agree if "can't see" = "can't imagine what it would be like" < 1459037404 282145 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: I'm thinking of making MOAR also produce JS, to make it a powerful scripting language too < 1459037438 8269 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: In fact, I might just have to make an entire CSS-based programming language < 1459037445 596888 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine Trump would be a Zaphod Beeblebrox with actual power. < 1459037514 68975 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 738/(738+463+166+143)*100 < 1459037515 698770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 48.87417218543047 < 1459037542 732258 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost 50% of rep. delegates so far < 1459037552 577240 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find any formal grammars for CSS online :( < 1459037603 555062 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first change that would have to be made for programming in CSS is that stylation keys could have arguments < 1459037638 869381 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And styles would be anonymous < 1459037666 203619 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And rules could be saved to variables < 1459037711 254294 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could do: < 1459037712 198212 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p_w := p {background-color: #FFFFFF; on-keypress('r'): {background-color: #FF0000; on-keypress('w'): $p_w}} < 1459037713 860136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if he wins the republican nod, it will either tear the party apart or make the ongoing civil cold war much hotter < 1459037837 874673 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hm ok i agree, the polls indicate he wouldn't even win if against sanders < 1459037909 998121 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually his chances are about equally glum regardless < 1459038018 11848 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh actually sanders looks _better_ than clinton < 1459038023 812085 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(against trump) < 1459038122 632747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this place will get exciting between now and november < 1459038244 720591 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. all the 6 matchups on this poll site give sanders a better chance than clinton in the general election. < 1459038287 972859 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, I think I invented a practical Esolang. < 1459038288 947098 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in average points. who knows what that means in states. < 1459038312 81679 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though it's web dev, so that's probably already been done) < 1459038334 351457 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP? *runs* < 1459038381 72166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which king are you going to vote for twh < 1459038410 767704 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wondering who it is that prefers sanders over clinton if the democrats themselves don't... < 1459038415 968974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queen Merkel, hmm. < 1459038420 428260 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Maybe < 1459038479 602808 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: many rank-and-file dems prefer sanders < 1459038489 873612 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure that that matters < 1459038587 574463 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's just some non-transitive preferences < 1459038662 247616 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what stats are you using? < 1459038758 718448 :kuluma!vosalo@linux.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459038862 498602 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :realclearpolitics.com (annoying popups though) < 1459039096 720982 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah superdelegates < 1459039117 715738 :kuluma!vosalo@linux.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh don't get me started on politics < 1459039121 698064 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're such a lovely perversion < 1459039452 261338 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CCS14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46654 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+2083) 10Created (w/ Grammar) < 1459039518 843810 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunate name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus_of_communicating_systems < 1459040000 670238 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459040010 487283 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's almost time to fasten the seatbelts < 1459040112 171084 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459040291 367472 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1459040292 513184 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. which ones? < 1459040315 893691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones on the time machine, of course. < 1459040316 254338 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459040396 946587 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ayeeeeeee... < 1459040400 840310 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...eeeeeeeeeee! < 1459040401 337064 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEEEEE < 1459040427 386504 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :All Europeans: Welcome to the future! | The international hub of esoteric programming language and font design | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | The kitten typesetting channel < 1459040469 27294 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got the timing right :) < 1459040535 243446 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a future? < 1459040552 576457 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CCS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46655&oldid=46654 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+2227) 10Semantics & example < 1459040557 224419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: There was. < 1459040582 96850 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( lesson of the day: don't eat too much dim sum when you're having an Armenian supper. waaaay too much food. ) < 1459040606 598092 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you don't count; you're in a temporally shifted timeframe. < 1459040639 951628 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to call it elevated. < 1459040675 534241 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how did it get so late out of a sudden!!1elven < 1459040686 497641 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, eleven? < 1459040717 177600 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? eleven < 1459040762 563838 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eleven? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459040814 724897 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: your subconscious is trying to tell you it was elves hth < 1459040829 232817 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CCS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46656&oldid=46655 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+101) 10/* Features */ Rearranged, checklisted < 1459040837 963877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah now it makes sense. < 1459040872 115982 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: dim sum is armenian now? < 1459040924 359736 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. sorry, lack of details. I had dim sum for lunch, and then Armenian food for supper hth < 1459040972 622611 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, today was shrimpful :D < 1459041042 304455 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459041066 923790 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459041157 28620 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459041467 65836 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459041666 225404 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459041921 966771 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459042203 964992 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459042880 14972 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1459043308 757478 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: WITHOUT CHICKEN < 1459044396 722993 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459044443 523484 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1459044446 51867 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn NICK :lynn < 1459045086 108206 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459045267 299331 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh darn < 1459045279 227739 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/oswg-member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I thought it was so late suddenly < 1459046454 669256 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459047159 77083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the strangest thing that you could do in orthodox Magic: the Puzzling? < 1459047210 941188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is orthodox Magic: the Puzzling? < 1459047260 939991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic: the Puzzling that does not use any nonstandard rules or nonstandard cards. < 1459047991 412800 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459049047 57158 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:4d1d:f1cc:c18f:31f9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459049245 364745 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459049935 359216 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lnguedfaqizxjiwj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1459050751 47876 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459051371 989732 :kuluma!vosalo@linux.utu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1459053694 682452 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459053901 155928 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459054889 515906 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459055388 74873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a document called x.version12.draft which has ideas about new stuff for a new version of the X window protocol. Many things are omitted, but also some things are added. A few features may especially make it more suitable for use with TV screens: VideoClass windows, translucent windows, and extra keysyms. < 1459055577 844579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The server is not guaranteed to support any or all of these features though; they are optional features.) < 1459055665 30140 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459056022 533367 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459056317 55752 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459058185 896811 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1459058435 38922 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1459058982 660210 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459059553 479842 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459060406 102917 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47-208-113-50.erkacmtk03.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1459062825 816028 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: [ < 1459063638 458 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1459063927 374021 :benderpc_!~benderpc@58.146.138.197 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459064036 294081 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459064047 73475 :bender|!benderpc@2404:e800:e61a:41d:4d1d:f1cc:c18f:31f9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459064709 294348 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459065311 678425 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459065678 648031 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1459066067 923142 :black!~moein@37.63.185.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459066083 179084 :black!~moein@37.63.185.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1459066089 183044 :black!~moein@37.63.185.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here? < 1459066117 952412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome black < 1459066128 45628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :black: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1459066349 425337 :black!~moein@37.63.185.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who can help me with a esolang chllenge? < 1459066525 546939 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459066889 940332 :black!~moein@37.63.185.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459068167 801193 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1459068747 865096 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459070331 755756 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Cnw14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46657 5* 03111.37.28.34 5* (+504) 10Created page with "{{#tag:nowiki|{{{1|}}}}}{{#tag:nowiki|{{{2|}}}}}{{#tag:nowiki|{{{3|}}}}}{{#tag:nowiki|{{{4|}}}}}{{#tag:nowiki|{{{5|}}}}}{{#tag:nowiki|{{{6|}}}}}{{#tag:nowiki|{{{7|}}}}}{..." < 1459070634 797293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:=14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46658 5* 03111.37.28.34 5* (+1) 10Created page with "=" < 1459071158 538186 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:X214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46659 5* 03111.37.28.34 5* (+21) 10Created page with "{{{{{1|}}}|{{{1|}}}}}" < 1459071371 946432 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459071586 361838 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459074704 233795 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1459074963 866285 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459075033 865113 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459075204 874739 :benderpc_!~benderpc@58.146.138.197 NICK :osdev-offtopic < 1459075226 683141 :osdev-offtopic!~benderpc@58.146.138.197 NICK :bender| < 1459075293 865305 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459078646 646640 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459078696 698116 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459078967 648372 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459079636 299471 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459079920 775380 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459080446 931996 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: copprello. < 1459081629 173543 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459082404 909823 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459082668 912011 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459082694 190543 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: bonjouroily < 1459082698 39749 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fleeing the country today < 1459082790 657002 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo! can I ask a quick MtG question before you disappear in faraway lands? < 1459083433 321404 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1459083502 851301 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! < 1459083512 764225 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a timing issue about the legendary rule this week: < 1459083539 232303 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose there's a Leyline of Singularity in play, and I have a Gray Merchant of Asphodel in play. < 1459083576 782807 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I play a second Gary, will the devotion of the first count towards the ETB, or will the legendary rule apply first and dislodge the first Gary? < 1459083591 643096 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you play another grey merchant, you don't count the extra symbols. legendary rule is a state-based action so it applies once the ability goes on the stack and before it resolves < 1459083679 129754 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what we thought. thanks for the clarification. < 1459083699 730977 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should become a judge some day... < 1459083979 821377 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repent or you shall BOIL! < 1459084600 492252 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. I am unrepentable hth < 1459084790 391590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Logique14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46660&oldid=40222 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-389) 10Interpreter and github user gone. < 1459085570 81427 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PLACE CHICKEN < 1459085570 211662 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: judging is easy hth < 1459085599 630672 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :place? < 1459086056 913749 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459086388 925574 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459087829 606302 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ODDBALL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46661&oldid=40932 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+13) 10/* External resources */ < 1459089241 865851 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459089247 679938 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459090307 704512 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459090491 178289 :jaboja!~jaboja@5.196.225.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459090755 957648 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs391561.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459090773 865709 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-39-87.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459091074 211227 :lambda-11235!~lambda-11@47.208.113.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459091240 943020 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1459091320 998353 :jaboja!~jaboja@5.196.225.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459092342 901308 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs391561.centertel.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459094269 465563 :MoALTz_!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459094414 587909 :gde33!~Gaby@541C5A92.cm-5-5b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459094478 670691 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459095609 627949 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459095673 227552 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is any big company who produces lots of https traffic known to send data in zlib format compression that is compressed better than the well-known libzlib library creates? The compression could be at ssl level or http level, but I'm specifically asking about zlib or gzip format, not deflate/zip/pkzip format. < 1459095752 431251 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking because if someone is sending large chunks of well-compressible text or html or json or xml or whatever data at the same time, then they could totally gain a few percent of bandwidth on them just by using a better compressor backend. < 1459095997 621684 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459096118 982944 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think https://github.com/google/zopfli is Google's answer to that < 1459096600 246 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but zlib/gzip *is* deflate/zip/pkzip? < 1459096635 732005 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically the headers differ, but in http content-encoding the headers are also optional < 1459096711 383811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, I don't think it is < 1459096738 640158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the zip/deflate algorithm had patent problems at the time, didn't it? < 1459096744 820727 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkzip uses deflate without headers, zlib is deflate with zlib header, gzip is deflate with a gzip header < 1459096765 708728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1459096768 429718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1459096826 81406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, I'll have to check this later < 1459096925 742354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: but isn't that library for data you compress once and then distribute and decompress a lot of times, sort of how people optimized compress png images for webpages or games? < 1459096948 45912 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I'm more asking about fast compression for data that only one or a few clients will decompress, where compression speed is needed < 1459097030 740721 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that kind of things. < 1459097056 731651 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if other alternatives than zlib -1 exist < 1459097114 747091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: there are certainly other deflate backends, because 7-zip has one, but I don't know if there's one that is wrapped and actually used this way < 1459097135 566002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's like a dozen pkzip compressor implementations I think < 1459097147 662155 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although most of them probably use zlib < 1459097153 820867 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1459097159 254640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like this should be totally possible < 1459097178 22300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even make something that's both interface-compatible and license-compatible with zlib so it's a drop-in replacement < 1459097320 47303 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the better-than-zlib compressors that exist typically don't give you much, and some of them are really really slow (like zopfli) < 1459097337 908675 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1459098156 131841 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs391561.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459099258 268909 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:7c13:1984:5429:8f05 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459099750 265449 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs391561.centertel.pl QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1459100456 795789 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it would be nice if there was a metar command that used emoji to tell you the waether < 1459100663 451199 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459100871 992928 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1459101157 845945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46662&oldid=44392 5* 03Loovjo 5* (-3) 10 < 1459101233 496906 :tato!~tato@95.231.82.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459101264 423014 :tato!~tato@95.231.82.13 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1459101671 804465 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it < 1459101795 940579 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459102309 298064 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1459102522 295003 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1459102777 561733 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ḗ < 1459102791 860871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LodePNG has its own DEFLATE implementation built-in but you can replace it with your own implementation instead < 1459102806 684612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1E17 LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH MACRON AND ACUTE] < 1459102897 936274 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clearly a redskin < 1459102972 602750 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... < 1459102982 28671 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've spent all afternoon trying to write a maze generator in Rust < 1459103004 541089 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I succeeded! < 1459103009 100831 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/6LtY0es.png < 1459103019 908407 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Taneb/Maze/blob/master/src/main.rs < 1459103118 296222 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1459104098 881042 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459104124 15201 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1459104238 358195 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-182.rentec.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1459104322 580735 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459104413 985910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you debug the print version of a page in Firefox? < 1459104619 375547 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1459104637 391993 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i like it < 1459104643 643953 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you going to do with it < 1459104657 761835 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, I have no idea < 1459104665 275218 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1459104667 539114 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459104670 202460 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more rust! < 1459105124 157174 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1459105520 218965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Rust < 1459105537 52765 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use it often enough for it to stick in my head < 1459105552 158833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no idea < 1459105573 444925 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try the next Ludum Dare with Rust < 1459105577 27411 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust is like the best system language i know < 1459105590 424049 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how many Ludum Dare have you tried before? < 1459105618 414840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no it's not. at least not yet. Rust has good foundations, but not good enough toolsets yet. < 1459105623 463358 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... minimalism, you only have one, you need to go deeper, and I think one other? < 1459105648 357753 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only have one is the only thing I got anything close to a game on my own < 1459105652 278614 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally I do the game jam < 1459105663 434786 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what does the game jam mean? < 1459105670 717723 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, teams, longer time limit < 1459105688 510853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not... edible marmalade made of the fat of game animals, right? because that would be strange < 1459105695 466088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1459105726 661539 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that'd be a pate, for a start < 1459105727 52660 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if you don't use ncurses yet you might consider termbox for terminal stuff < 1459105747 29139 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, this is just using print! and println! < 1459105770 538895 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guessed that < 1459105780 554946 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but printing sucks for interaction < 1459105802 151076 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once maee ncurses bindings for rust 0.4 < 1459105805 219872 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a mess < 1459105809 497821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: since people make “cheese” from fruits and “sausages” from soy beans, I can imagine basically anything < 1459106035 27030 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1459106089 771496 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode septḿ̥ < 1459106094 914715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0073 LATIN SMALL LETTER S] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+0070 LATIN SMALL LETTER P] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+1E3F LATIN SMALL LETTER M WITH ACUTE] [U+0325 COMBINING RING BELOW] < 1459107151 812085 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459107266 22842 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Changing host < 1459107266 191466 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1459107947 405438 :irctc065!68a39d84@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.163.157.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459108237 51409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Chris Pressey14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46663&oldid=35014 5* 03104.163.157.132 5* (+320) 10pull request ping < 1459108475 33255 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459109220 881682 :irctc065!68a39d84@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.163.157.132 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1459110158 536155 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de PART :#esoteric < 1459110182 494740 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whhoo! < 1459110185 108132 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML parser! < 1459110829 730064 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:7c13:1984:5429:8f05 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459110968 927030 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, someone design a hybrid processor (neural networking + conventional computing (+ a bit of emulated quantum maybe)?) and write an OS for it < 1459111209 569145 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1459111289 48324 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1459111341 970640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XSM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46664&oldid=25391 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+13) 10/* External resources */ < 1459112357 13727 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1459112401 262191 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511664.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: html parser? < 1459112473 910864 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Yes < 1459112476 970788 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Working on it < 1459112490 872900 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Hand-writing, because that's probably easier for the atrocity that is HTML < 1459112542 72965 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. HTML isn't that atrocious hth < 1459112550 871592 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It is for parsing < 1459112558 581862 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :

is valid HTML, AFAIK < 1459112565 684813 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least something a browser is expected to accept < 1459112870 112159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML is OK, and there is also XHTML which is more consistent than plain HTML < 1459112918 39826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML is terrible for things other than text markup, but for stuff like HTML it would seem reasonable. < 1459113093 429278 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML is terrible for markup. XML is too there-are-multiple-ways-to-do-it. < 1459113125 582304 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be One Right Way™ to do markup, and it should be dutchly obvious. < 1459113315 170323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML is more complicated than it should be, which is certainly true. < 1459113368 164442 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a certain fondness towards dosini. it Does the Job®. < 1459113403 13542 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, TOML fills in quite a few gaping holes dosini has. < 1459113450 381159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However also, XML is used for a lot of data where something else such as JSON or RDF or INI might work better. < 1459113539 409264 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSON has its own appeal, RDF is a horrible mangulation, and I already like INI. < 1459113578 93962 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did some JSON evangelism when it first got its hype, but then I got bitten too many times by poor support of numerical types. < 1459113632 185997 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair-ish, JSON *itself* doesn't have too bad a support for arbitrary numeric values. < 1459113657 622714 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just "any numeric value expressible in decimal notation". < 1459113680 604537 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Unfortunately, this then gets implemented poorly because that's only representable using arbitrary-precision decimal floats. < 1459113701 648949 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in practice it's just "assume IEEE double". < 1459113709 37672 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDF is awful. < 1459113722 685504 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INI's not bad, if only useful for a subset of things. < 1459113757 637671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I refer to pure RDF without any OWL or other stuff like that. < 1459114214 232839 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom XML < 1459114229 214762 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/cat: : No such file or directory < 1459114239 970719 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? XML < 1459114241 194138 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1459114449 581012 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1459114929 693088 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn XML/XML stands for "X-treme Mega Language (of Awesomeness)" < 1459114930 894392 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459114935 991417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «xml» < 1459114959 454411 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That does not necessarily reflect my actual opinions on XML) < 1459114963 135435 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1459115015 981028 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should make a KRF < 1459115038 445837 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A TC one, no less < 1459115143 857574 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a combination of logic programming and CFG and JSON and stuff. With many, many types of object. < 1459115170 565300 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KRF? Kool Rad Format? < 1459115214 940216 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, also known as a Knowledge Representation Format < 1459115442 137345 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only had 2/3 right. better luck next time... < 1459115459 14798 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 1/3 < 1459115552 635934 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Hm... what should the model of the knowledge base be? < 1459115662 653376 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll design one based on relative values < 1459115684 14613 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relative to reals, that is < 1459115774 887545 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :realatives. < 1459115793 73938 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3. I know my fractions, tyvm :D < 1459116438 368996 :MoALTz_!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl NICK :MoALTz < 1459116448 732550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up partial idea of "Macro-RDF", although no implementation currently exists. How it works is: A graph may contain macro nodes and/or macro literals, and macro processors will read such triples in order to create the graph which does not contain any macro nodes and macro literals. Macro nodes and macro literals use a new URI pseudoscheme called "macro:", like "view-source:" the scheme is followed by another URI. < 1459117296 17200 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459117309 285466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Another storage format for arbitrary data is my own format called ARF (ASCII Records Format), although which involves non-printable characters which may mean a special editor is required.) < 1459117694 450230 :Draum!~Draum@79.142.224.208.prod.bolignet.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1459117863 493299 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-faeytkiisaecjbor JOIN :#esoteric < 1459118119 307900 :Draum!~Draum@79.142.224.208.prod.bolignet.dk QUIT : < 1459118322 705397 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, actually using the ASCII record indicators? < 1459118684 974534 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1459118783 319032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1459118854 589682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you need to include the record indicators into the actual data being stored too for any reason, then they must be escaped by a "data link escape" character.) < 1459119411 954249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Xlib have any support for "reverse connections"? < 1459119427 690814 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1459119450 731476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Support for reverse connections does not affect the protocol in any way.) < 1459119512 414318 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All Europeans"? Huh? < 1459119526 706290 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I been here all this time? < 1459119542 406311 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's been all the places they have been at when then. < 1459119554 62317 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1459119583 787465 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1459119610 881229 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already made up a programming language more basic than BASIC, so now I'm thinking up a programming language more basic than that. < 1459119778 769652 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining you working on a programming language that's written via finger painting. < 1459119805 177459 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :analog piet! < 1459119851 897166 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 Is the new Template:Cnw a copy of the previously deleted template on Wikipedia? (Template:= is clearly identical, but I think that's too short to be copyright. And X2 is something else entirely.) < 1459119852 27532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1459119912 712260 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459119924 613145 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the more basic than basic language have any kind of system for graphics and such? < 1459119943 652938 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :analog piet? you mean it's like an actual drawing instead of array of pixels? < 1459119953 689404 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not really. < 1459119976 917711 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could if it was like Piet. < 1459120001 173356 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459120024 659249 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: the topic does not imply anything about whether you're European or not. but if you are, welcome to the future! < 1459120048 224940 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think part of what made Basic so basic is that it was originally made for a very simple environment. < 1459120060 604760 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think americans may have entered the future some weeks ago.) < 1459120064 444288 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1459120085 629659 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Perhaps. < 1459120121 300350 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1459120149 238430 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But it does imply that Europeans weren't in the future beforehand. Which is true, because they were in the present. In fact, everyone's in the present right now. Ignoring relativity. < 1459120179 409532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: americans have been in the future for ~240 years < 1459120182 846254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :usa usa usa < 1459120194 194487 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :240? < 1459120195 613243 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers what a language more forth than FORTH would be. < 1459120202 283678 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it must be a bad future then. < 1459120233 447246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are any ideas forthcoming? < 1459120234 45997 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember - entropy increases with time. So you are basically saying America has a high disorder. < 1459120271 808555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a closed system maybe < 1459120276 991837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we offload our entropy to other countries < 1459120303 640120 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're in the future in the sense that what we experience is the past due to our brains taking time to process their senses. < 1459120312 412912 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true too. < 1459120335 761648 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :People that have moved at high velocities for longer are in the past. I think. < 1459120352 756064 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in the past. < 1459120517 10173 :nooga!~nooga@91.235.25.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1459120555 588084 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently russia has been stuck in the past since 2014. < 1459120598 595326 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1459120600 734180 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after being stuck in the future since 2011. < 1459120653 986751 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: they're clocks have not been adjusted forward since then hth < 1459120657 913959 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*their < 1459120687 658869 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes out the muphryscope and starts hunting < 1459120707 721767 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks rdococ might get stuck in confusion if he keeps up < 1459120717 178458 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Jägerørjan is Hunting! < 1459120754 829332 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :muphryscope, misspelled as appropriate < 1459120789 255429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my clock gets adjusted forward every second < 1459120922 202629 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1459120929 482548 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they forgot about dst < 1459120948 775006 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :was watching a video < 1459121000 31983 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : we offload our entropy to other countries <-- http://narbonic.com/comic/december-4-9-2006/ strip 4, panel 2 hth < 1459121066 269312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely tdh < 1459121128 237329 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic, basicer, and now, um, basicerer < 1459121148 759365 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a data tree < 1459121306 358180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: high five! < 1459121393 202671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that reminds me to Asimov's "The gods themselves" in which they also destroy other universes to make this universe survive < 1459121420 546245 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : muphryscope, misspelled as appropriate <-- what misspelling i think you are confused hth < 1459121466 673890 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I dunno, what's a muphryscope, what does it do and how do you spell it? < 1459121495 332233 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a scope for finding muphry, so he can be properly punished for slipping misspellings into my irc lines hth < 1459121551 127222 :lynn_!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn JOIN :#esoteric < 1459121571 509377 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: is that where they ensure humanity is the only intelligence in the galaxy? < 1459121590 561933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1459121611 837346 :mihow!~mihow@c-73-67-227-118.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1459121615 620100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the one you're thinking is probably either "The End of Eternity" or "Foundation and Earth" < 1459121623 246613 :lynn!~lynn@unaffiliated/lynn QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1459121633 643255 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former rings a bell. and the second i think referred to that. < 1459121641 297999 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the latter i think < 1459121659 612694 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of those, i've only actually _read_ foundation and earth, mind you.) < 1459121659 743330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "The gods themselves" is the one with aliens and sex and alien sex < 1459121670 562670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and as such, unusual from Asimov) < 1459121674 781442 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1459121680 585465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, really! < 1459121722 100523 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know he doesn't usually have aliens, that was like the point < 1459121793 879048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he rarely wrote about aliens, but there are a few times he did, the best one probably being "Blind alley", although that one isn't good because of the aliens, but because of a human character. < 1459121932 139224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he rarely wrote about sex, but there's a few other cases like "The robots of Dawn". < 1459121952 513703 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an instance in either foundation and earth or the predecessor, though. < 1459121976 8732 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the protagonist visited corporellon. < 1459122000 602623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about "The robots of Dawn"? that's the predecessor of "Robots and Empire" < 1459122004 29462 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i must be misspelling that. < 1459122009 233885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"corporellon"? < 1459122011 397701 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1459122033 325961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The robots of Dawn" also has robot sex < 1459122047 865195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is easier because Asimov wrote a lot about robots < 1459122051 40954 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1459122063 781478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the robot sex isn't described much < 1459122068 452013 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone tried to ever make a mechanical tree < 1459122069 390133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only part of the story, but never shown < 1459122081 838006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a very little of the foreplay is described < 1459122126 737233 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was comporellon < 1459122130 131404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mechanical tree? I would guess some Holywood film producers probably tried to order some, in order to play walking trees or treefolk (ents, treants) in live action movies < 1459122137 528465 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was foundation and earth. < 1459122151 246977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :comporellon... that rings a bell, isn't it in one of the earlier Foundation novels? < 1459122160 573856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a planet or something < 1459122187 378486 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@b_jonas I mean mechanical trees that actually work < 1459122187 512739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1459122204 54607 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's = baleyworld, the first non-spacer world < 1459122275 40530 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: i recall someone hypothesizing making something tree-like that could extract CO2 more efficiently than real trees < 1459122308 189612 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that might not be too hard, actually? < 1459122329 394613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing a document for TVMIDI, and then hopefully some TV set top boxes and a few other devices could be made to implement it. < 1459122347 330462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: I think it would be hard, at least if you want it to extract CO2 more efficiently than algae too < 1459122347 702713 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm trying to make an order theory KRF :) < 1459122347 833246 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if you could somehow take genes from bacteria that are more fficient and get trees to use them, I think that'd do it. < 1459122357 597245 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have read very little asimov beyond the foundation novels he wrote himself. naked sun is one other book. < 1459122380 122624 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mechanical tree could convert carbon dioxide and heat into carbon and oxygen if they don't need glucose < 1459122384 226052 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the idea was to bring trees closer to algae level rather than surpassing them. < 1459122398 793215 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-117-223.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though i guess for that we could jsut se tup algae plants. < 1459122447 342270 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a solar powered machine that breaks carbon dioxide into carbon and oxygen, and looks like a tree. of course, it isn't an exact replication, but eh, who needs glucose? < 1459122450 180529 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Hi! < 1459122453 614667 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp! < 1459122462 162394 :hppavilion[1]!~DevourerO@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Haven't seen you in a while! < 1459122481 510812 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: anyway, golan trevize had sex with the (mayor?) on comporellon, although wikipedia doesn't mention that detail. < 1459122519 577827 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'unno, I'd certainly like having glucose generation. < 1459122523 511943 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glucose is useful. < 1459122528 1850 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even mention her afaics < 1459122555 159256 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1459122568 116462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: and water. but it's not that easy in the real world. if you just want something that breaks down the carbon dioxide to breathable air for a short term spaceship or underwater voyage, that is solved. but such a device isn't reusable, and making it uses up lots of resources, and indirectly uses up much more oxygen than it can ever create, so it doesn't work in large scale. < 1459122602 822865 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: why would it need oxygen? it's a machine that would run on solar power < 1459122614 839216 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: unless solar panels need it < 1459122615 443761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-123.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TVMIDI does not support cable boxes with more than 16384 channels, although I have never seen any with more than 10000 channels (numbered 0 to 9999); if you have seen any then please tell me. < 1459122623 58838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know, I'm not really familiar with Foundation's edge and Foudation and Earth < 1459122653 470505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: because this is the real world, and there's a good reason even the single-celled algae are so complicated things < 1459122685 566244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“solar powered” sounds nice, but it's not a magic free lunch recipe < 1459122797 549132 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm lunch < 1459122840 617764 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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