00:03:25 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:03:39 -!- nooga has joined. 00:03:46 fungot: we say «C't'une fois George Bush...» as a lead on for a stupid joke. <-- is that quëbêcois for "once upon a time" 00:03:47 oerjan: of course- secondary prague. i've been noodling around with yasos and rotty's implementation, i mean applications? stuff that interacts with current irc infrastructure. really what we should do 00:06:30 <\oren\> yes, it's always good to have redundant pragues for emergencies 00:07:46 you never know when you need an emergency czech-up 00:11:51 <\oren\> ok, time to see whther this time rockets will just suddenly explode 00:12:08 <\oren\> well, more than usual anyway 00:12:12 did i break boily 00:12:23 oi augur 00:12:33 can i use you as a spectrograph some more 00:12:50 @time boily 00:12:51 Local time for boily is Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:12:50 -0400 00:12:57 <\oren\> there should be a mod where I have to program my space probes in advance 00:14:02 ha 00:15:52 oerjan: if the universe runs out of intelligence flux, does that mean all intelligence will stay put where it is? 00:15:54 <\oren\> preferably it would only support fortran 60, BASIC, assembler, and COBOL 00:16:14 <\oren\> in other words, like real life 00:18:00 :K 00:18:19 olsner: that also explains a lot. 00:18:46 \oren\: also ADA hth 00:18:59 also lisp 00:24:58 <\oren\> Oh yeah ADA! 00:31:46 -!- hppavilion[2] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:32:57 oerjan: o hai! I was watching reviews on Shut Up and Sit Down. 00:33:14 * boily mapoles y'all vile punsters 00:34:06 oerjan: it's a tortured, injokish version of «Une fois c't'un gars...»: “There was that one guy once...” 00:34:09 aha 00:34:47 c't = c'etais ? 00:34:54 *c't' 00:35:15 *t 00:35:48 french :O 00:36:58 depending on context, c'était or c'est. it's up to you. 00:37:11 <\oren\> ugh 00:37:20 ugh is not valid French hth. 00:37:35 <\oren\> u; 00:37:37 <\oren\> u' 00:37:43 <\oren\> u'i'o 00:38:03 \oren\: are you on a Dvorak keyboard? 00:38:14 <\oren\> no 00:38:41 <\oren\> qwertyuiop[]\asdfghjkl;'zxcvbnm,./ 00:39:44 baoaoao 00:42:03 tsé veut dire, genre. 00:43:26 nooga: what's a baoaoao? a hawai'ian baobab? a Chinese bun with reverb? 00:44:03 an evil villain with a really thick accent 00:45:30 and a cold? 00:45:57 a war cry shouted when someone trips over a plate of lutefisk? 00:46:05 no, just really weird accent hth 00:46:25 boily: doesn't sound norse enough for that 00:46:46 I try to cover all possible bases. 00:47:08 Even in an infinite-dimensional vector space? 00:47:51 hm actually i don't know that the vikings had lutefisk 00:47:58 Hilbert space is quite useful for that kind of reasoning. 00:50:16 ah herregud 00:50:17 shachaf, depends on whether the unit ball is compact hth 00:50:39 what's the oldest recorded meal that is still continously consumed since its inception? 00:51:29 venison steak? 00:51:30 hm apparently the history of lutefisk is not well-established 00:52:08 the "recorded" might be a problem. 00:52:21 -!- lynn has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:52:36 boily, bread? 00:52:56 nooga: *å 00:56:29 Phantom_Hoover: probably. 00:56:35 i,i Exercises: (a) Is the unit disc compact? (b*) Is it recordable? 00:58:11 . o O ( there was no pun in that. stop seeing puns in every shachafutterance. ) 00:58:37 What? Of course there was a pun. 00:58:39 oerjan: uff da 00:59:34 oh. well, then... 00:59:55 * boily regularly mapoles shachaf 01:00:16 You can't mapole me! 01:00:29 shachaf: (a) of course (b) no, it's immutable. hth. 01:00:31 OKAY 01:01:11 You should mapole oerjan instead. 01:01:29 can't imagine why. 01:01:34 Just give me the mapole. 01:02:04 you'll just stab yourself with the corkscrew. 01:02:18 leave the mapole to licensed canadians. 01:02:48 a fool and his mapole are soon parted 01:03:40 * boily lends his mapole to shachaf “You have to speak the Québécois word for ‘friend‘ for it to operate properly” 01:03:51 wait! 01:03:57 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 01:03:59 I'm not a fool :P 01:04:08 Can I get a service animal to help operate the mapole? 01:04:19 a mapooch, as it were 01:04:23 boily: [evidence inconclusive] 01:04:40 AAAAAAAAAAAARGH! and here I find myself unarmed! 01:04:53 * boily snatches oerjan's swatter and swings at shachaf --------### 01:04:58 @dice 01:04:58 unexpected end of input: expecting number, "d" or "(" 01:05:03 @dice 1d20 01:05:03 boily: 13 01:05:09 d20 01:05:09 shachaf: 15 01:05:16 * boily misses 01:05:18 boily: i assume you're counting on shachaf in no way whatsoever being able to guess or far less pronounce the québécois word for friend 01:05:18 Phantom_Hoover: hey, sup 01:05:35 also, that's not my swatter. 01:05:45 oh. hm. eh. 01:05:46 oerjan: I'm doing all this on my phone, so that's a fair guess. 01:05:52 * boily puts back that swatter where he found it. 01:06:05 That swatter is obviously counterfeit. 01:06:33 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:06:41 * oerjan guesses that the word is "m'" 01:06:53 wait, "'m'" 01:07:13 * shachaf swats boily for swatter forgery -----### 01:07:17 ow. 01:07:33 augur, here's me saying 'boat' https://clyp.it/tsd1t5wf 01:07:41 is the vowel a diphthong? 01:07:41 -!- mihow has joined. 01:07:46 oerjan: nope. 01:08:36 Phantom_Hoover: yes, sounds like a pretty standard /oʊ/ diphthong 01:08:53 "êm'"? 01:09:15 augur, man that one really fucks with me 01:09:24 why? 01:09:25 https://clyp.it/yzae35cb ← that website is fun :D 01:09:47 oerjan: sorry, wrong root. 01:09:55 i just can't hear a transition in it 01:10:09 oerjan: qc:chum. 01:10:19 like the rp schwa-ʊ is really obvious to me but oʊ isn't 01:10:49 darn 01:11:22 Phantom_Hoover: its very subtle, since its a back-back diphthon 01:12:13 the height change is also pretty small. its not like /aɪ/ or /aʊ/ with big changes in both height and backness 01:12:26 (2+2d0)*(2+2) 01:12:42 @dice (2+2d0)*(2+2) 01:12:42 unexpected "d": expecting digit, operator, "+", "-" or ")" 01:12:49 oh 01:12:56 (2+2d1)*(2+2) 01:12:56 oerjan: (2 + (1+1)) * (2 + 2) => 16 01:13:05 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:13:56 @dice (2+2d1)*(2+2) 01:13:56 oerjan: (2 + (1+1)) * (2 + 2) => 16 01:14:56 @dice 2d6 01:14:56 earendel: 2+4 => 6 01:15:05 augur, thanks for the explanation, as thanks have this incomprehensible scottish folk song i found on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCkcYYQv3so 01:16:29 @dice 1d0 01:16:29 unexpected 'd': expecting digit, operator or end of input 01:18:02 Phantom_Hoover: also keep in mind that there's a real continuum of diphthongness. the vowel space is more or less continuous, so you can have arbitrarily fine distinctions in the diphthongs 01:18:32 @dice 2d6 * 2d4 01:18:32 oerjan: (6+3) * (4+4) => 72 01:18:33 i wish we just had consonants 01:19:16 consonants took me like a weekend with wikipedia and appendix E of lotr, it's been like 6 years and i still don't get vowels 01:19:41 Phantom_Hoover: if you just had consonants, you wouldnt have any speech! you gotta put stuff between them :) 01:19:47 also lots of consonants are continuous too :) 01:20:00 anything that isnt a stop is in a continuous domain 01:20:54 but if you're practicing using different vowels, pay less attention to the sound and more to the physical position of your articulators 01:23:44 `` grep -FIinrs fricative wisdom/* 01:23:56 or was it a quote? 01:24:01 `quote fricative 01:24:10 1093) nooodl: when my girlfriend asks me to give her uvular fricative I'm pretty sure that's not what she means 01:24:10 No output. 01:26:34 Phantom_Hoover: if you just had consonants, you wouldnt have any speech! you gotta put stuff between them :) <-- PFFT! 01:26:45 e = it, a = be .. ea = world (the words eru used to bring the world into existance) .. i also noticed all beautiful things have at least one "i" .. while all darker things have more "u"s 01:27:15 oerjan: some phonologists would say that has a very very short [ə] in there :) 01:28:04 augur, the position of my articulators is my own business thank you very much! 01:28:07 . o O ( ghrhghrrrghghghhghhghhhhhrgh ) 01:28:15 there's actually an old joke about richer, fancier phonological analysis, where a language that initially looks like Georgian, with its monstrous consonant clusters, is gradually found to have more and more abstract vowels until finally it turns out to have CV syllables like hawaiian 01:29:35 maguriviguriviladoje 01:32:05 https://clyp.it/xxj4dt1p ? 01:35:43 boily: that was _after_ the georgian turned into hawaiian hth 01:35:55 now do the proper mgrvgrvladje hth 01:36:35 * oerjan sadly has never managed to find that word used for real instead of just as an example of how bad georgian gets 01:37:35 boily: also, you are clearly dropping the last vowel tdnh 01:38:16 https://clyp.it/tebfx3fd 01:38:26 there is no last vowel. it's an e. it's silent. 01:38:46 boily: that's not a language with CV syllables, then. pay attention. 01:39:37 boily: also, whenever that example is mentioned, it's supposed to have just 2 syllables, hth 01:39:43 aaaaaaaaaargh. 01:40:02 you're not helping there. I have to clear my sinuses between each clip. 01:40:04 (i'm not sure linguists agree) 01:40:06 * boily has a nasty cold going on 01:40:18 boily: ah. 01:40:19 oerjan: ive seen gvrtskpvnisk as an example before :) 01:40:34 ooh, 9 consonants 01:41:45 uploading... uuuploaadiiing ♪ 01:42:15 https://clyp.it/ba0sqoz0 01:42:35 we need some arabic to euthanize boily's throat properly. 01:43:05 don't you dare. 01:43:59 also, i have no idea what you're saying in between the attempts 01:44:07 let me translate. 01:44:59 “Ok, good, we'll try with this one... *sigh* no, really, y'know... eeeeh... ok... where is it... where is it... ah, there it is! 01:45:30 sounds very sane to me tdh 01:45:43 [first attempt] [second attempt] [third attempt cut short] ah bastard... [fourth attempt] 01:45:58 no, really, ah, augur who just posted something... 01:47:20 I'v seen gvrtskpvn... fsck... ok, remain calm... gvrtskpvnisk gvrtskpvnisk... decidedly... *cough* sorry... gvrtskpvnisk” 01:47:47 very good. now take these pills... 01:50:13 not sure it's a good idea to accept random pills over the intarwebs. 01:51:31 i don't see why, i got them from a very nice nigerian farmacy 01:52:05 * boily rests his case 01:52:26 oh, any victim here who'd like to say fr:chirurgien? 01:52:56 uh... is the g soft? 01:53:14 it is. 01:53:43 https://clyp.it/515sjmup 01:54:11 Phantom_Hoover: that's cheating! 01:54:34 https://clyp.it/h0c0v0kh 01:54:50 quite good. 01:56:36 i think i won't. the computer seems to be opposing me again. 01:56:50 hmm, apparently the first automatic error reporting system worked like this: the crashing program printed a memory dump to the screen; then an automated physical camera took a photograph of the screen 01:57:10 and every day someone developed the photographs for that day and took them to the programmers 01:57:13 oerjan: noooooooo! 01:57:59 time for me to go drown my sorrows in extra strength trachea cleaning syrup. 01:58:13 -!- boily has quit (Quit: SMILING CHICKEN). 02:02:09 the flaw, as usual, is that the website does not let me click anywhere to just start talking. 02:03:38 now food -> 02:04:38 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:28:21 @tell boily https://clyp.it/lvcysxmx 02:28:21 Consider it noted. 02:28:56 * oerjan hopes that log in nagging isn't obligatory 02:40:41 `? banana 02:40:44 nananananananananananananananana. 02:42:59 `le/rn banana/Bananananananana BATMAN! 02:43:02 Relearned «banana» 02:46:30 `cat bin/noodle 02:46:31 cat: bin/noodle: No such file or directory 02:46:43 `` ls bin/noo* 02:46:44 bin/nooodl: 02:46:54 `cat bin/nooodl 02:46:55 cat: bin/nooodl: No such file or directory 02:47:01 `cat bin/nooodl: 02:47:03 ​ELF............>.....@.....@.......b..........@.8..@.........@.......@.@.....@.@................................8......8@.....8@............................................@.......@.....W......W........ ............]......]`.....]`...........`........ ...........]......]`.....]`............................ 02:47:08 wat 02:47:19 `cat bin/? 02:47:20 ​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic1"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; 02:47:51 `culprits bin/nooodl: 02:47:58 tswett tswett oerjan elliott nooodl 02:48:08 `url bin/nooodl: 02:48:11 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/nooodl%3A 02:49:01 In Magic: the Gathering will you ever have to use Donate on Copper Tablet in order to affect APNAP order of ability on stack? 02:49:06 `` ls -l bin/nooodl: 02:49:07 lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 9 Dec 9 04:12 bin/nooodl: -> /bin/echo 02:49:18 ah. 03:06:15 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:06:43 -!- ais523 has joined. 03:18:25 -!- XorSwap has joined. 03:44:38 -!- lleu has joined. 03:54:49 -!- XorSwap has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:56:19 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 03:58:52 -!- Elronnd has left. 04:00:30 -!- XorSwap has joined. 04:00:43 -!- XorSwap has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:07:09 `danddreclist 76 04:07:10 danddreclist 76: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex 04:07:16 -!- Elronnd has joined. 04:07:30 zzo38: How can I read ifmud logs without connecting or making an account? 04:07:49 shachaf: As far as I know, you cannot. 04:08:22 It is necessary to connect to the MUD in order to read anything, although some information about players can be accessed from the webpage. 04:08:51 `cat bin/` 04:08:51 ​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" 04:09:51 Other one can be 04:09:55 `cat bin/`` 04:09:55 ​#!/bin/sh \ export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@" 04:10:08 `` sed -i '4s/$/ | rnooodl/' 'bin/`' 04:10:11 No output. 04:10:39 `` sed -i '2s/$/ | rnooodl/' 'bin/``' 04:10:40 No output. 04:16:06 * oerjan feels conflicted 04:16:10 [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46609&oldid=46457 * Albedo * (+1667) /* Julia */ Julia language interpreter added 04:16:42 Why do you hate Xaw? 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05:55:19 `` rgrep nooodl wisdom 05:55:47 Windows refuses to even acknowledge that the BD-RE is formatted with anything. 05:55:50 wisdom/noooodl:nooooodl is the correct spelling \ wisdom/pho:Phở is a Vietnamese soup invented by noooooooodl to stress-test implementations of Unicode combining characters. 05:55:52 It would prefer to pretend it's blank. 05:59:49 `cat bin/rnooodl 05:59:49 perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' 05:59:55 er... 06:00:02 no, wait, that's fine 06:00:17 `? noodle 06:00:19 Nooooooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. 06:01:09 oh wait that won't be affected 06:01:23 * oerjan still conflicted 06:01:44 `cat wisdom/noodle 06:01:45 cat: wisdom/noodle: No such file or directory 06:01:57 now what. 06:02:08 `culprits wisdom/noodle 06:02:28 No output. 06:02:30 your imagination hth 06:02:40 `cat bin/? 06:02:41 ​#!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic1"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; 06:02:44 -!- adu has joined. 06:02:51 hm right 06:02:59 `cat wisdom/nooodle 06:03:00 Nooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. 06:03:21 `` cat wisdom/noooodl 06:03:22 cat: wisdom/noooodl: No such file or directory 06:03:25 `` cat wisdom/nooodle 06:03:26 Nooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. 06:03:32 `` cat wisdom/nooodle 06:03:33 Noooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. 06:03:36 oh it's just because of capitalization 06:03:40 Ah, it was just bad luck. 06:33:10 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 06:49:52 -!- lambda-11235 has quit (Quit: Bye). 07:27:50 Do you know how the --expose_debug_as stuff works in Node.js? 07:34:51 -!- earendel has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:40:32 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 07:58:31 -!- nooga has joined. 08:16:15 -!- earendel has joined. 08:16:33 whois asie 08:16:40 damn ;d 08:29:49 fail 08:54:18 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:56:32 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 09:02:42 [wiki] [[User:Rdebath]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46611&oldid=43713 * Rdebath * (+17358) /* Performance Matrix */ 09:11:41 -!- lynn has joined. 09:12:44 Do you know if any old Magic: the Puzzling are incompatible with D'Angelo rules (without the puzzle explicitly specifying as such)? 09:20:09 [wiki] [[User:Rdebath]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46612&oldid=46611 * Rdebath * (+84) /* Performance Matrix -- Add section titles 09:21:34 -!- nooga has joined. 09:27:45 Is there any common ancillary chunk for PNG that contains icons arranged in a grid? 09:38:17 -!- bender| has joined. 09:48:04 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:50:56 I could try to make up the format which may be called "grId" or "grID" (or standardized with "R" instead of "r" if they would accept it as a standardized extension), but I am not sure which way is better. 09:53:01 Data consist of the tile width, tile height, baseline position. 09:55:18 zzo38: I don't know 09:55:37 you'd have to look at other graphical games 09:56:29 though I think most don't use a grid, but sprites (with rectangle boundaries and a hot point in it) arranged freely in an image 10:26:50 -!- lleu has joined. 10:26:53 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Victorm137 * New user account 10:34:49 -!- boily has joined. 10:37:21 @massages-loud 10:37:21 oerjan said 8h 9m ago: https://clyp.it/lvcysxmx 10:37:52 @tell oerjan I heard you! :D 10:37:52 Consider it noted. 10:43:25 after a day with strong winds and heavy rain, I woke up this morning and there's about half an inch of snow outside. 10:43:51 @metar CYUL 10:43:52 CYUL 181029Z 01009KT 15SM FEW012 BKN070 M02/M05 A2970 RMK SF1AC7 SF TR SLP062 10:45:22 @metar ENVA 10:45:23 ENVA 181020Z 30010KT 9999 VCSH FEW032 BKN055 03/M03 Q1022 TEMPO BKN014 RMK WIND 670FT 31016KT 10:54:51 -!- MoALTz_ has changed nick to MoALTz. 11:19:51 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:25:19 -!- boily has quit (Quit: REPUBLICAN CHICKEN). 11:53:58 Is there a name for the OISC called http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Coffee-5.html ? 11:54:06 s/called/described in/ 11:56:19 http://esolangs.org/wiki/MOISC isn't the same, but mentions it 12:08:41 -!- ais523 has joined. 12:08:58 -!- ais523 has quit (Client Quit). 12:12:23 [wiki] [[SBN]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46613 * B jonas * (+353) Created page with "'''SBN''' (Subtract and Branch if Negative) is a single instruction low level language. It is described in Fotis Georgatos, "Coffee Making", [http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Coffee..." 12:25:50 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:39:06 -!- mroman has joined. 12:39:08 fnord 13:09:00 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46614&oldid=46608 * Rjhunjhunwala * (+3446) added code samples 13:09:52 [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46615&oldid=46614 * Rjhunjhunwala * (-3446) Undo revision 46614 by [[Special:Contributions/Rjhunjhunwala|Rjhunjhunwala]] ([[User talk:Rjhunjhunwala|talk]]) 13:22:52 -!- p34k has joined. 13:23:57 -!- `^_^v has joined. 13:26:42 [wiki] [[User:Conor O'Brien]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46616&oldid=45928 * Conor O'Brien * (+334) added lots of my languages 13:29:26 [wiki] [[Y (programming language)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46617 * Conor O'Brien * (+208) Created page with "**Y** is a programming language designed to be good with interacting with itself when tiled/chained. 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One can find an interpreter [http://con..." 13:29:46 [wiki] [[Y (programming language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46618&oldid=46617 * Conor O'Brien * (+2) fix bold 13:36:19 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46619&oldid=46602 * B jonas * (+10) /* S */ 14:00:03 -!- mroman has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 14:41:28 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:43:16 -!- ais523 has quit (Excess Flood). 14:43:45 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:46:04 -!- Guest92480 has quit (Changing host). 14:46:04 -!- Guest92480 has joined. 14:48:58 -!- Guest92480 has changed nick to nitrix. 14:51:27 ais523: for the ever-growing wishlist for scapegoat (version control), make sure all commands behaves sensibly if there are changes that (a) rename a file such that the new name refers to the old file on a case-insensitive file system, or (b) remove a directory but create a regular file with the same pathname or the reverse. 14:52:10 b_jonas: well in scapegoat, the working directory is basically just a means of communicating with the repository 14:52:26 the repository itself would have no problem with such things, the only difficulty would be reading and writing with the filesystem 14:57:41 ais523: sure, for (a) you have to make sure the client commands work correctly, the repo isn't a problem 14:58:55 ais523: for (b), not only that, but you could also have a bug without the working directory, when a command generates user-readable diffs between revisions. 14:59:22 -!- ais523 has quit. 14:59:29 :D 15:00:39 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:05:24 -!- hppavilion[2] has joined. 15:05:25 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 15:05:27 -!- hppavilion[2] has changed nick to hppavilion[1]. 15:05:35 callforjudgement: Hi 15:06:20 hi hppavilion[1] 15:06:42 -!- ais523 has quit (Disconnected by services). 15:06:53 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 15:07:08 callforjudgement: I forget, are you ais523 under an altnick? Or someone else? 15:07:28 hppavilion[1]: this is my alternate nick, yes (primary nick in some contexts, but not Freenode IRC) 15:07:34 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 15:07:36 callAh 15:07:46 mostly I use it for gaming purposes 15:07:51 ais523 is for programming 15:08:05 Makes sense 15:08:05 this causes problems in #tasvideos, which is about both programming and gaming 15:08:12 :P 15:08:24 ais523: I got my compiler working for basic arithmetic expressions! 15:08:38 If you didn't hear yet1 15:08:40 *! 15:08:41 10 LET X% = Y% + 10 15:08:42 that sort of thing? 15:08:50 (I think % is integer, right?) 15:09:05 ais523: Like (3+(-9))*(-2) 15:09:09 That's my test expression 15:09:22 hppavilion[1]: I was intentionally misinterpreting "basic" as "BASIC" 15:09:26 It doesn't do variables yet, but it is structured s.t. they shouldn't be a problem 15:09:27 Oh xD 15:11:25 a+b, a-b, a*b, a/b, -a 15:11:54 -!- ais523 has quit. 15:12:12 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:12:22 ais523: It doesn't exactly have a parser yet though :P 15:12:31 So you have to enter the AST manually 15:14:00 ais523: As the great and wise ais523, what would you recommend I implement next? 15:14:22 simple control flow 15:14:42 it's quite easy to back yourself into a corner from which it's impossible to write a while loop 15:14:53 OK 15:14:58 if you're not used to the way compilers work 15:14:58 so it's important to get that working early 15:15:03 ais523: I believe that corner is called "Haskell" 15:15:29 ;-) 15:17:16 -!- paul2520_ has changed nick to paul2520. 15:17:35 -!- paul2520 has quit (Changing host). 15:17:35 -!- paul2520 has joined. 15:18:13 -!- Frooxius has joined. 15:21:12 -!- bender| has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:25:31 :t Control.Monad.Loops.whileM 15:25:32 Monad m => m Bool -> m a -> m [a] 15:26:01 -!- lambda-11235 has joined. 15:26:04 -!- spiette has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 15:32:11 -!- ais523 has quit. 15:34:45 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:38:45 -!- ais523 has quit. 15:39:05 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:48:43 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:48:50 -!- earendel has changed nick to ea|chill. 15:49:10 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:52:32 -!- ais523 has quit (Excess Flood). 15:53:58 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:55:55 -!- ais523 has quit (Client Quit). 15:56:04 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:57:23 -!- vanila has joined. 16:10:03 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:13:12 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:13:37 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:28:54 -!- ais523 has quit. 16:29:08 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:33:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 16:44:48 -!- ais523 has quit. 16:46:09 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:48:56 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 16:50:54 -!- zadock has joined. 17:51:23 -!- ea|chill has changed nick to earendel. 18:05:31 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 18:06:37 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 18:08:32 -!- `^_^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:10:59 -!- `^_^v has joined. 18:45:18 -!- vodkode has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:47:16 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 18:48:50 -!- `^_^v has joined. 18:50:38 -!- Reece` has joined. 18:52:00 -!- Reece` has quit (Client Quit). 18:57:19 -!- lynn has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:58:27 -!- lynn has joined. 19:18:51 -!- zadock has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:35:01 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 19:35:40 -!- earendel2 has joined. 19:35:50 -!- lynn has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:36:28 -!- `^_^v has joined. 19:36:41 -!- earendel has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 19:37:09 -!- lynn has joined. 19:51:56 The X version 11 has a few things wrong including too many extensions I think. I can make suggestion for improvement of next version. One is the things mentioned in Appendix B of ICCCM. Another is more separation between the protocol and implementation; for example cursor themes is a feature that the server might or might not implement but is not exposed in the protocol. Also many XKB features would now be core instead. 19:54:22 -!- lynn has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:55:46 (So what is now called XkbBell would simply be XBell instead and the old XBell would be gone. A few other features might also be removed, such as access control lists and other security settings; these would now be server features that the protocol doesn't include, and/or you may implement security features by X proxy servers.) 19:57:54 -!- lynn has joined. 20:01:30 Other features to add may be XPutTrueImage and XGetTrueImage to be able to transfer arbitrary truecolor pictures even on displays which do not support truecolor, and XDrawBezier to draw Bezier curves, as well as optional support for memory-mapped drawable. When asked the server responds by two strings, one is the computer name and the other is system-dependent (on Linux it is a filename). The client then checks if it is running on the same compute 20:02:04 Xlib functions may be XLockSurface and XUnlockSurface to access memory-mapped drawables, somewhat similarly to SDL. 20:06:43 Other thing to add are some additional keysyms (including UTCE characters that do not already have X keysyms nor Unicode), and the ability to steal events from other clients. 20:07:18 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 20:10:32 -!- jaboja has joined. 20:11:51 The screen saver controls could perhaps also be simplified, since many features of the screen saver may be controlled by client protocols instead. The server protocol should be limited to blanking the screen at a specified timeout (which can be disabled or forced too), and otherwise the screen saver may be started and otherwise controlled by the window manager, using properties and ClientMessage on the root window to control it. 20:11:55 Do you like this? 20:20:08 -!- earendel2 has quit (Quit: earendel2). 20:20:29 -!- earendel has joined. 20:21:02 How does this relate to Wayland, Freon, and I suppose there are others? 20:22:04 I find those other to be a bit more badly designed and do not even do the stuff that X should do 20:24:44 So what is that functionality? Apparently you're not satisfied with mere compositor-and-window-manager. 20:26:53 There are various, including how it deals with keyboard, mouse, events, and inter-client-communications, and X does not even require a compositor or a window manager. 20:29:16 I wasn't describing X11; that is my general picture of Wayland. 20:29:54 * int-e is still running X11 without a compositing manager. 20:30:22 Yes, although X doesn't require a compositor or window manager as Wayland does. (I do not use a compositor myself) 20:31:01 (X11 without a window manager, on the other hand, would be quite hard to use effectively.) 20:31:31 If you are running only one program then it is suitable though 20:34:08 Wayland usse a different architecture and I think X is mostly (but not entirely) a better design, which is why I made the proposal of X12 20:34:29 So anyway, do I like this... you start in the middle of the X11 specification (which few people have read, never mind remember), then you describe a few seemingly random changes and additions that you would make without explaining why... it's very hard to like something without having some idea of what it's supposed to be good for. And in any case, it sounds like a pipe dream to me. 20:34:33 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:35:29 Changes and additions and also removals actually 20:35:44 -!- nooga has joined. 20:36:23 Also I did explain it. 20:39:08 “ it's quite easy to back yourself into a corner from which it's impossible to write a while loop” – heh heh heh heh 20:39:30 but since this is #esoteric, it's funnier if you back yourself to that corner first, and THEN implement while loops anyway 20:48:22 -!- lynn_ has joined. 20:51:12 -!- lynn has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:51:24 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Chad3814 * New user account 21:00:24 -!- lynn_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:00:49 -!- lynn_ has joined. 21:06:34 [wiki] [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46620&oldid=46328 * Chad3814 * (+222) added exponents 21:11:00 -!- lynn__ has joined. 21:11:45 -!- adu has joined. 21:12:48 -!- augur_ has joined. 21:13:19 -!- lynn_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 21:14:54 My ideas also are, a keyboard may have from 0 to 256 keys, and there may also be no mouse or more than one mouse, and a mouse may point off-screen (whether or not this is actually possible depends on the implementation; for example with an actual mouse it might not be, although if touch screen or Wii remote is used then it may be useful) 21:15:43 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 21:15:53 (There might not be any keyboard or mouse available, in which case the display is output only.) 21:22:39 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:22:43 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:22:44 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:23:21 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:23:26 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:23:26 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:23:53 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:23:57 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:23:58 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:24:25 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:24:29 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:24:30 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:25:10 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:25:14 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:25:14 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:25:46 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:25:47 -!- glogbot has joined. 21:25:50 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:25:50 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:25:51 -!- EgoBot has joined. 21:26:18 -!- fizzie has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 21:26:18 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 21:27:25 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 21:27:32 -!- fizzie has joined. 21:28:16 -!- rodgort has joined. 21:29:48 -!- augur has joined. 21:31:47 Another set of keysyms to add would be television controls. 21:34:19 Also a window position and mouse position can now include a signed 16-bit Z coordinate which normally is zero and does nothing, although some server implementations may allow it to do something, such as support for 3D input/output. 21:35:26 Support for scaled fonts would be removed though. 21:37:00 uh? 21:37:21 As far as I know I have listed everything that should be needed but you can tell me if you believe I added something irrelevant or missed something important. 21:46:19 -!- izabera has changed nick to iz_. 21:55:53 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:00:12 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:27:02 [wiki] [[User:Erinius]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46621&oldid=46280 * Erinius * (+12) 22:50:16 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 23:16:08 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 23:20:55 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:21:29 @messages- 23:21:29 boily said 12h 43m 36s ago: I heard you! :D 23:21:41 shocking 23:22:18 -!- p34k has quit. 23:26:01 is it normal to become a cultist after learning enough emacs to discover org mode? 23:32:08 -!- copumpkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:33:10 -!- copumpkin has joined. 23:40:04 nooga, highly abnormal 23:42:52 Phantom_Hoover is wrong, but that's just because he's not a cultist so they won't tell him hth 23:44:18 oerjan is profoundly abnormal, don't listen to a word he says 23:44:40 half of that is true. 23:44:43 Now I made my own farbfeld conversion program http://sprunge.us/WQDS http://sprunge.us/AiSC 23:44:57 the other part is technically not a proposition. 23:45:17 zzo38, nice 23:46:44 good xkcd 23:47:04 `quote insanity 23:47:16 397) There's that saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [...] You've just gave me a different result [...] It's always insane to expect different results, even when it's likely to occur. 23:49:17 `` ls bin/*w*list 23:49:19 bin/bardsworthlist \ bin/wrlist 23:49:36 i guess no one made that xkcdwhatiflist 23:50:06 quite a poor one though 23:50:10 no qualitatives 23:50:49 what's a qualitative 23:53:33 when he actually describes something in interesting detail rather than just wittering on about how big a particular number is 23:53:54 -!- boily has joined. 23:54:11 @massages-loud 23:54:11 You don't have any messages 23:54:41 @metar ENVA <-- spring's a-coming 23:54:53 excluding the light snow this evening 23:55:00 which turn into heavier rain 23:55:21 boi mean hily 23:55:42 *+, 23:57:19 ooh i guessed right, the etching in the restaurant of an obscure dutch person was a rembrandt 23:57:32 _probably_ not the original hth 23:58:00 this guy, and same etching https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Silvius 23:59:18 boi mean hily? 23:59:22 hellørjan.