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00:03:46 <oerjan> <boily> fungot: we say «C't'une fois George Bush...» as a lead on for a stupid joke. <-- is that quëbêcois for "once upon a time"
00:03:47 <fungot> oerjan: of course- secondary prague. i've been noodling around with yasos and rotty's implementation, i mean applications? stuff that interacts with current irc infrastructure. really what we should do
00:06:30 <\oren\> yes, it's always good to have redundant pragues for emergencies
00:07:46 <oerjan> you never know when you need an emergency czech-up
00:11:51 <\oren\> ok, time to see whther this time rockets will just suddenly explode
00:12:08 <\oren\> well, more than usual anyway
00:12:51 <lambdabot> Local time for boily is Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:12:50 -0400
00:12:57 <\oren\> there should be a mod where I have to program my space probes in advance
00:15:52 <olsner> oerjan: if the universe runs out of intelligence flux, does that mean all intelligence will stay put where it is?
00:15:54 <\oren\> preferably it would only support fortran 60, BASIC, assembler, and COBOL
00:16:14 <\oren\> in other words, like real life
00:18:19 <oerjan> olsner: that also explains a lot.
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00:32:57 <boily> oerjan: o hai! I was watching reviews on Shut Up and Sit Down.
00:33:14 * boily mapoles y'all vile punsters
00:34:06 <boily> oerjan: it's a tortured, injokish version of «Une fois c't'un gars...»: “There was that one guy once...”
00:36:58 <boily> depending on context, c'était or c'est. it's up to you.
00:37:20 <boily> ugh is not valid French hth.
00:38:03 <boily> \oren\: are you on a Dvorak keyboard?
00:38:41 <\oren\> qwertyuiop[]\asdfghjkl;'zxcvbnm,./
00:42:03 <boily> tsé veut dire, genre.
00:43:26 <boily> nooga: what's a baoaoao? a hawai'ian baobab? a Chinese bun with reverb?
00:44:03 <oerjan> an evil villain with a really thick accent
00:45:57 <boily> a war cry shouted when someone trips over a plate of lutefisk?
00:46:05 <oerjan> no, just really weird accent hth
00:46:25 <oerjan> boily: doesn't sound norse enough for that
00:46:46 <boily> I try to cover all possible bases.
00:47:08 <shachaf> Even in an infinite-dimensional vector space?
00:47:51 <oerjan> hm actually i don't know that the vikings had lutefisk
00:47:58 <boily> Hilbert space is quite useful for that kind of reasoning.
00:50:17 <Phantom_Hoover> shachaf, depends on whether the unit ball is compact hth
00:50:39 <boily> what's the oldest recorded meal that is still continously consumed since its inception?
00:51:30 <oerjan> hm apparently the history of lutefisk is not well-established
00:52:08 <oerjan> the "recorded" might be a problem.
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00:56:29 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: probably.
00:56:35 <shachaf> i,i Exercises: (a) Is the unit disc compact? (b*) Is it recordable?
00:58:11 <boily> . o O ( there was no pun in that. stop seeing puns in every shachafutterance. )
00:58:37 <shachaf> What? Of course there was a pun.
00:59:55 * boily regularly mapoles shachaf
01:00:29 <oerjan> shachaf: (a) of course (b) no, it's immutable. hth.
01:01:11 <shachaf> You should mapole oerjan instead.
01:02:04 <oerjan> you'll just stab yourself with the corkscrew.
01:02:18 <oerjan> leave the mapole to licensed canadians.
01:02:48 <shachaf> a fool and his mapole are soon parted
01:03:40 * boily lends his mapole to shachaf “You have to speak the Québécois word for ‘friend‘ for it to operate properly”
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01:04:08 <shachaf> Can I get a service animal to help operate the mapole?
01:04:23 <oerjan> boily: [evidence inconclusive]
01:04:40 <boily> AAAAAAAAAAAARGH! and here I find myself unarmed!
01:04:53 * boily snatches oerjan's swatter and swings at shachaf --------###
01:04:58 <lambdabot> unexpected end of input: expecting number, "d" or "("
01:05:18 <oerjan> boily: i assume you're counting on shachaf in no way whatsoever being able to guess or far less pronounce the québécois word for friend
01:05:18 <augur> Phantom_Hoover: hey, sup
01:05:35 <oerjan> also, that's not my swatter.
01:05:46 <shachaf> oerjan: I'm doing all this on my phone, so that's a fair guess.
01:05:52 * boily puts back that swatter where he found it.
01:06:05 <shachaf> That swatter is obviously counterfeit.
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01:06:41 * oerjan guesses that the word is "m'"
01:07:13 * shachaf swats boily for swatter forgery -----###
01:07:33 <Phantom_Hoover> augur, here's me saying 'boat' https://clyp.it/tsd1t5wf
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01:08:36 <augur> Phantom_Hoover: yes, sounds like a pretty standard /oʊ/ diphthong
01:09:25 <boily> https://clyp.it/yzae35cb ← that website is fun :D
01:09:47 <boily> oerjan: sorry, wrong root.
01:10:19 <Phantom_Hoover> like the rp schwa-ʊ is really obvious to me but oʊ isn't
01:11:22 <augur> Phantom_Hoover: its very subtle, since its a back-back diphthon
01:12:13 <augur> the height change is also pretty small. its not like /aɪ/ or /aʊ/ with big changes in both height and backness
01:12:42 <lambdabot> unexpected "d": expecting digit, operator, "+", "-" or ")"
01:12:56 <lambdabot> oerjan: (2 + (1+1)) * (2 + 2) => 16
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01:13:56 <lambdabot> oerjan: (2 + (1+1)) * (2 + 2) => 16
01:15:05 <Phantom_Hoover> augur, thanks for the explanation, as thanks have this incomprehensible scottish folk song i found on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCkcYYQv3so
01:16:29 <lambdabot> unexpected 'd': expecting digit, operator or end of input
01:18:02 <augur> Phantom_Hoover: also keep in mind that there's a real continuum of diphthongness. the vowel space is more or less continuous, so you can have arbitrarily fine distinctions in the diphthongs
01:19:16 <Phantom_Hoover> consonants took me like a weekend with wikipedia and appendix E of lotr, it's been like 6 years and i still don't get vowels
01:19:41 <augur> Phantom_Hoover: if you just had consonants, you wouldnt have any speech! you gotta put stuff between them :)
01:19:47 <augur> also lots of consonants are continuous too :)
01:20:00 <augur> anything that isnt a stop is in a continuous domain
01:20:54 <augur> but if you're practicing using different vowels, pay less attention to the sound and more to the physical position of your articulators
01:23:44 <boily> `` grep -FIinrs fricative wisdom/*
01:23:56 <boily> or was it a quote?
01:24:10 <HackEgo> 1093) <Koen_> nooodl: when my girlfriend asks me to give her uvular fricative I'm pretty sure that's not what she means
01:26:34 <oerjan> <augur> Phantom_Hoover: if you just had consonants, you wouldnt have any speech! you gotta put stuff between them :) <-- PFFT!
01:26:45 <earendel> e = it, a = be .. ea = world (the words eru used to bring the world into existance) .. i also noticed all beautiful things have at least one "i" .. while all darker things have more "u"s
01:27:15 <augur> oerjan: some phonologists would say that has a very very short [ə] in there :)
01:28:04 <Phantom_Hoover> augur, the position of my articulators is my own business thank you very much!
01:28:07 <boily> . o O ( ghrhghrrrghghghhghhghhhhhrgh )
01:28:15 <augur> there's actually an old joke about richer, fancier phonological analysis, where a language that initially looks like Georgian, with its monstrous consonant clusters, is gradually found to have more and more abstract vowels until finally it turns out to have CV syllables like hawaiian
01:32:05 <boily> https://clyp.it/xxj4dt1p ?
01:35:43 <oerjan> boily: that was _after_ the georgian turned into hawaiian hth
01:35:55 <oerjan> now do the proper mgrvgrvladje hth
01:36:35 * oerjan sadly has never managed to find that word used for real instead of just as an example of how bad georgian gets
01:37:35 <oerjan> boily: also, you are clearly dropping the last vowel tdnh
01:38:16 <boily> https://clyp.it/tebfx3fd
01:38:26 <boily> there is no last vowel. it's an e. it's silent.
01:38:46 <oerjan> boily: that's not a language with CV syllables, then. pay attention.
01:39:37 <oerjan> boily: also, whenever that example is mentioned, it's supposed to have just 2 syllables, hth
01:40:02 <boily> you're not helping there. I have to clear my sinuses between each clip.
01:40:04 <oerjan> (i'm not sure linguists agree)
01:40:06 * boily has a nasty cold going on
01:40:19 <augur> oerjan: ive seen gvrtskpvnisk as an example before :)
01:41:45 <boily> uploading... uuuploaadiiing ♪
01:42:15 <boily> https://clyp.it/ba0sqoz0
01:42:35 <oerjan> we need some arabic to euthanize boily's throat properly.
01:43:59 <oerjan> also, i have no idea what you're saying in between the attempts
01:44:59 <boily> “Ok, good, we'll try with this one... *sigh* no, really, y'know... eeeeh... ok... where is it... where is it... ah, there it is!
01:45:30 <oerjan> sounds very sane to me tdh
01:45:43 <boily> [first attempt] [second attempt] [third attempt cut short] ah bastard... [fourth attempt]
01:45:58 <boily> no, really, ah, augur who just posted something...
01:47:20 <boily> I'v seen gvrtskpvn... fsck... ok, remain calm... gvrtskpvnisk gvrtskpvnisk... decidedly... *cough* sorry... gvrtskpvnisk”
01:47:47 <oerjan> very good. now take these pills...
01:50:13 <boily> not sure it's a good idea to accept random pills over the intarwebs.
01:51:31 <oerjan> i don't see why, i got them from a very nice nigerian farmacy
01:52:26 <boily> oh, any victim here who'd like to say fr:chirurgien?
01:54:11 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: that's cheating!
01:56:36 <oerjan> i think i won't. the computer seems to be opposing me again.
01:56:50 <ais523> hmm, apparently the first automatic error reporting system worked like this: the crashing program printed a memory dump to the screen; then an automated physical camera took a photograph of the screen
01:57:10 <ais523> and every day someone developed the photographs for that day and took them to the programmers
01:57:13 <boily> oerjan: noooooooo!
01:57:59 <boily> time for me to go drown my sorrows in extra strength trachea cleaning syrup.
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02:02:09 <oerjan> the flaw, as usual, is that the website does not let me click anywhere to just start talking.
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02:28:21 <oerjan> @tell boily https://clyp.it/lvcysxmx
02:28:56 * oerjan hopes that log in nagging isn't obligatory
02:40:44 <HackEgo> nananananananananananananananana.
02:42:59 <oerjan> `le/rn banana/Bananananananana BATMAN!
02:46:31 <HackEgo> cat: bin/noodle: No such file or directory
02:46:55 <HackEgo> cat: bin/nooodl: No such file or directory
02:47:03 <HackEgo> ELF............>.....@.....@.......b..........@.8..@.........@.......@.@.....@.@................................8......8@.....8@............................................@.......@.....W......W........ ............]......]`.....]`...........`........ ...........]......]`.....]`............................
02:47:20 <HackEgo> #!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic1"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl;
02:47:58 <HackEgo> tswett tswett oerjan elliott nooodl
02:48:11 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/nooodl%3A
02:49:01 <zzo38> In Magic: the Gathering will you ever have to use Donate on Copper Tablet in order to affect APNAP order of ability on stack?
02:49:07 <HackEgo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 9 Dec 9 04:12 bin/nooodl: -> /bin/echo
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04:07:10 <HackEgo> danddreclist 76: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex
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04:07:30 <shachaf> zzo38: How can I read ifmud logs without connecting or making an account?
04:07:49 <zzo38> shachaf: As far as I know, you cannot.
04:08:22 <zzo38> It is necessary to connect to the MUD in order to read anything, although some information about players can be accessed from the webpage.
04:08:51 <HackEgo> #!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1"
04:09:55 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@"
04:10:08 <shachaf> `` sed -i '4s/$/ | rnooodl/' 'bin/`'
04:10:39 <shachaf> `` sed -i '2s/$/ | rnooodl/' 'bin/``'
04:16:10 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46609&oldid=46457 * Albedo * (+1667) /* Julia */ Julia language interpreter added
04:16:42 <zzo38> Why do you hate Xaw?
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05:24:17 <Lymia> [lymia@chino ~]$ file ext4-test.iso
05:24:17 <Lymia> ext4-test.iso: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=5b006110-6427-4300-9ba3-e399deaca23f (extents) (large files) (huge files)
05:24:25 <Lymia> Let's see how this goes.
05:24:34 <Lymia> This is probably a terrible idea.
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05:39:50 <\oren\> on a scale of eating a spoonful of cinnamon powder to solar highways
05:41:18 <Lymia> Linux is willing to touch an EXT4 formatted CD.
05:41:22 <Lymia> But since it's a BD-RE disk.
05:41:37 <Lymia> It's willing to mount it read/write as an EXT4 formatted disk.
05:42:21 <zzo38> I didn't know that.
05:42:55 <Lymia> I'm going to type in a command I really shouldn't
05:46:00 <Lymia> $ mkfs.exfat -n "WHY" /dev/cdrom
05:46:05 <Lymia> Let's see what Windows thinks now
05:52:26 <zzo38> Maybe I should need to write my own window manager in order to avoid some of the problems that i3 has; I am not sure?
05:55:47 <Lymia> Windows refuses to even acknowledge that the BD-RE is formatted with anything.
05:55:50 <HackEgo> wisdom/noooodl:nooooodl is the correct spelling \ wisdom/pho:Phở is a Vietnamese soup invented by noooooooodl to stress-test implementations of Unicode combining characters.
05:55:52 <Lymia> It would prefer to pretend it's blank.
05:59:49 <HackEgo> perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge'
06:00:19 <HackEgo> Nooooooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb.
06:01:09 <oerjan> oh wait that won't be affected
06:01:45 <HackEgo> cat: wisdom/noodle: No such file or directory
06:02:41 <HackEgo> #!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic1"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl;
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06:03:00 <HackEgo> Nooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb.
06:03:22 <HackEgo> cat: wisdom/noooodl: No such file or directory
06:03:26 <HackEgo> Nooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb.
06:03:33 <HackEgo> Noooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb.
06:03:36 <oerjan> oh it's just because of capitalization
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07:27:50 <zzo38> Do you know how the --expose_debug_as stuff works in Node.js?
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09:12:44 <zzo38> Do you know if any old Magic: the Puzzling are incompatible with D'Angelo rules (without the puzzle explicitly specifying as such)?
09:20:09 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Rdebath]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46612&oldid=46611 * Rdebath * (+84) /* Performance Matrix -- Add section titles
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09:27:45 <zzo38> Is there any common ancillary chunk for PNG that contains icons arranged in a grid?
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09:50:56 <zzo38> I could try to make up the format which may be called "grId" or "grID" (or standardized with "R" instead of "r" if they would accept it as a standardized extension), but I am not sure which way is better.
09:53:01 <zzo38> Data consist of the tile width, tile height, baseline position.
09:55:37 <b_jonas> you'd have to look at other graphical games
09:56:29 <b_jonas> though I think most don't use a grid, but sprites (with rectangle boundaries and a hot point in it) arranged freely in an image
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10:26:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Victorm137 * New user account
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10:37:21 <lambdabot> oerjan said 8h 9m ago: https://clyp.it/lvcysxmx
10:37:52 <boily> @tell oerjan I heard you! :D
10:43:25 <boily> after a day with strong winds and heavy rain, I woke up this morning and there's about half an inch of snow outside.
10:43:52 <lambdabot> CYUL 181029Z 01009KT 15SM FEW012 BKN070 M02/M05 A2970 RMK SF1AC7 SF TR SLP062
10:45:23 <lambdabot> ENVA 181020Z 30010KT 9999 VCSH FEW032 BKN055 03/M03 Q1022 TEMPO BKN014 RMK WIND 670FT 31016KT
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11:53:58 <b_jonas> Is there a name for the OISC called http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Coffee-5.html ?
11:56:19 <b_jonas> http://esolangs.org/wiki/MOISC isn't the same, but mentions it
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13:09:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[S.I.L.O.S]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46615&oldid=46614 * Rjhunjhunwala * (-3446) Undo revision 46614 by [[Special:Contributions/Rjhunjhunwala|Rjhunjhunwala]] ([[User talk:Rjhunjhunwala|talk]])
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13:29:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Y (programming language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46618&oldid=46617 * Conor O'Brien * (+2) fix bold
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14:51:27 <b_jonas> ais523: for the ever-growing wishlist for scapegoat (version control), make sure all commands behaves sensibly if there are changes that (a) rename a file such that the new name refers to the old file on a case-insensitive file system, or (b) remove a directory but create a regular file with the same pathname or the reverse.
14:52:10 <ais523> b_jonas: well in scapegoat, the working directory is basically just a means of communicating with the repository
14:52:26 <ais523> the repository itself would have no problem with such things, the only difficulty would be reading and writing with the filesystem
14:57:41 <b_jonas> ais523: sure, for (a) you have to make sure the client commands work correctly, the repo isn't a problem
14:58:55 <b_jonas> ais523: for (b), not only that, but you could also have a bug without the working directory, when a command generates user-readable diffs between revisions.
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15:07:08 <hppavilion[1]> callforjudgement: I forget, are you ais523 under an altnick? Or someone else?
15:07:28 <callforjudgement> hppavilion[1]: this is my alternate nick, yes (primary nick in some contexts, but not Freenode IRC)
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15:07:46 <ais523> mostly I use it for gaming purposes
15:07:51 <ais523> ais523 is for programming
15:08:05 <ais523> this causes problems in #tasvideos, which is about both programming and gaming
15:08:24 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: I got my compiler working for basic arithmetic expressions!
15:08:50 <ais523> (I think % is integer, right?)
15:09:22 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: I was intentionally misinterpreting "basic" as "BASIC"
15:09:26 <hppavilion[1]> It doesn't do variables yet, but it is structured s.t. they shouldn't be a problem
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15:12:22 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: It doesn't exactly have a parser yet though :P
15:14:00 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: As the great and wise ais523, what would you recommend I implement next?
15:14:42 <ais523> it's quite easy to back yourself into a corner from which it's impossible to write a while loop
15:14:58 <ais523> if you're not used to the way compilers work
15:14:58 <ais523> so it's important to get that working early
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15:25:31 <shachaf> :t Control.Monad.Loops.whileM
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19:51:56 <zzo38> The X version 11 has a few things wrong including too many extensions I think. I can make suggestion for improvement of next version. One is the things mentioned in Appendix B of ICCCM. Another is more separation between the protocol and implementation; for example cursor themes is a feature that the server might or might not implement but is not exposed in the protocol. Also many XKB features would now be core instead.
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19:55:46 <zzo38> (So what is now called XkbBell would simply be XBell instead and the old XBell would be gone. A few other features might also be removed, such as access control lists and other security settings; these would now be server features that the protocol doesn't include, and/or you may implement security features by X proxy servers.)
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20:01:30 <zzo38> Other features to add may be XPutTrueImage and XGetTrueImage to be able to transfer arbitrary truecolor pictures even on displays which do not support truecolor, and XDrawBezier to draw Bezier curves, as well as optional support for memory-mapped drawable. When asked the server responds by two strings, one is the computer name and the other is system-dependent (on Linux it is a filename). The client then checks if it is running on the same compute
20:02:04 <zzo38> Xlib functions may be XLockSurface and XUnlockSurface to access memory-mapped drawables, somewhat similarly to SDL.
20:06:43 <zzo38> Other thing to add are some additional keysyms (including UTCE characters that do not already have X keysyms nor Unicode), and the ability to steal events from other clients.
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20:11:51 <zzo38> The screen saver controls could perhaps also be simplified, since many features of the screen saver may be controlled by client protocols instead. The server protocol should be limited to blanking the screen at a specified timeout (which can be disabled or forced too), and otherwise the screen saver may be started and otherwise controlled by the window manager, using properties and ClientMessage on the root window to control it.
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20:21:02 <int-e> How does this relate to Wayland, Freon, and I suppose there are others?
20:22:04 <zzo38> I find those other to be a bit more badly designed and do not even do the stuff that X should do
20:24:44 <int-e> So what is that functionality? Apparently you're not satisfied with mere compositor-and-window-manager.
20:26:53 <zzo38> There are various, including how it deals with keyboard, mouse, events, and inter-client-communications, and X does not even require a compositor or a window manager.
20:29:16 <int-e> I wasn't describing X11; that is my general picture of Wayland.
20:29:54 * int-e is still running X11 without a compositing manager.
20:30:22 <zzo38> Yes, although X doesn't require a compositor or window manager as Wayland does. (I do not use a compositor myself)
20:31:01 <int-e> (X11 without a window manager, on the other hand, would be quite hard to use effectively.)
20:31:31 <zzo38> If you are running only one program then it is suitable though
20:34:08 <zzo38> Wayland usse a different architecture and I think X is mostly (but not entirely) a better design, which is why I made the proposal of X12
20:34:29 <int-e> So anyway, do I like this... you start in the middle of the X11 specification (which few people have read, never mind remember), then you describe a few seemingly random changes and additions that you would make without explaining why... it's very hard to like something without having some idea of what it's supposed to be good for. And in any case, it sounds like a pipe dream to me.
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20:35:29 <zzo38> Changes and additions and also removals actually
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20:36:23 <zzo38> Also I did explain it.
20:39:08 <b_jonas> “<ais523> it's quite easy to back yourself into a corner from which it's impossible to write a while loop” – heh heh heh heh
20:39:30 <b_jonas> but since this is #esoteric, it's funnier if you back yourself to that corner first, and THEN implement while loops anyway
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20:51:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Chad3814 * New user account
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21:06:34 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck algorithms]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46620&oldid=46328 * Chad3814 * (+222) added exponents
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21:14:54 <zzo38> My ideas also are, a keyboard may have from 0 to 256 keys, and there may also be no mouse or more than one mouse, and a mouse may point off-screen (whether or not this is actually possible depends on the implementation; for example with an actual mouse it might not be, although if touch screen or Wii remote is used then it may be useful)
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21:15:53 <zzo38> (There might not be any keyboard or mouse available, in which case the display is output only.)
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21:31:47 <zzo38> Another set of keysyms to add would be television controls.
21:34:19 <zzo38> Also a window position and mouse position can now include a signed 16-bit Z coordinate which normally is zero and does nothing, although some server implementations may allow it to do something, such as support for 3D input/output.
21:35:26 <zzo38> Support for scaled fonts would be removed though.
21:37:21 <zzo38> As far as I know I have listed everything that should be needed but you can tell me if you believe I added something irrelevant or missed something important.
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22:27:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Erinius]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46621&oldid=46280 * Erinius * (+12)
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23:21:29 <lambdabot> boily said 12h 43m 36s ago: I heard you! :D
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23:26:01 <nooga> is it normal to become a cultist after learning enough emacs to discover org mode?
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23:42:52 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover is wrong, but that's just because he's not a cultist so they won't tell him hth
23:44:18 <Phantom_Hoover> oerjan is profoundly abnormal, don't listen to a word he says
23:44:43 <zzo38> Now I made my own farbfeld conversion program http://sprunge.us/WQDS http://sprunge.us/AiSC
23:44:57 <oerjan> the other part is technically not a proposition.
23:47:16 <HackEgo> 397) <fizzie> There's that saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [...] <Taneb> You've just gave me a different result [...] <fizzie> It's always insane to expect different results, even when it's likely to occur.
23:49:19 <HackEgo> bin/bardsworthlist \ bin/wrlist
23:49:36 <oerjan> i guess no one made that xkcdwhatiflist
23:53:33 <Phantom_Hoover> when he actually describes something in interesting detail rather than just wittering on about how big a particular number is
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23:54:41 <oerjan> <boily> @metar ENVA <-- spring's a-coming
23:54:53 <oerjan> excluding the light snow this evening
23:55:00 <oerjan> which turn into heavier rain
23:57:19 <oerjan> ooh i guessed right, the etching in the restaurant of an obscure dutch person was a rembrandt
23:57:32 <oerjan> _probably_ not the original hth
23:58:00 <oerjan> this guy, and same etching https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Silvius