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00:05:18 <boily> hellochaf. something that is a stack, but also an array?
00:05:59 <shachaf> Maybe it's https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MMDo1czqcto/hqdefault.jpg
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00:31:19 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: xD
00:31:49 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: Oh... oh god
00:31:54 <hppavilion[1]> I just opened the link
00:32:43 <\oren\_> let F:ℕ→ℕ be the function that takes a natural number, decomposes it into primes p₁,p₂… exponents n₁,n₂…, then returns p₂^n₁*p₃^n₂*⋯.
00:32:54 <\oren\_> then what the fuck have I invented
00:33:32 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\_: The OH MY GOD I THOUGHT I WAS JUST DOING IDENTITY function?
00:33:53 <\oren\_> letF(1)=2,F(2)=3 F(3)=5 F(4)=
00:34:47 <\oren\_> let's see: F(4)=9 F(5)=7 F(6)=15 F(7)=11 F(8)=27
00:36:29 <\oren\_> F(9)=25 F(10)=21 F(11)=13 F(12)=45
00:36:53 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\_: Just write a program to do it for you
00:38:09 <mauris> \oren\_: ... * p_1^n_k ?
00:38:17 <\oren\_> no
00:38:49 <fizzie> Oh, you mean p_i is the i'th prime overall.
00:38:51 <boily> writing programs is for quitters. real men do it by hand!
00:38:55 <\oren\_> fizzie: yah
00:38:56 <fizzie> Not just the i'th prime in the decomposition.
00:39:19 <\oren\_> yah, that's why F(12) is 45
00:39:25 <mauris> i wouldn't say F(1)=2 then
00:39:45 <\oren\_> what would it be
00:39:48 <mauris> 1
00:39:56 <mauris> cause all the exponents are 0
00:40:04 <\oren\_> oh, right
00:40:38 <fizzie> It seems to be A003961.
00:42:27 <hppavilion[1]> @oeis A003961
00:42:29 <lambdabot>  Fully multiplicative with a(p(k)) = p(k+1) for k-th prime p(k).[1,3,5,9,7,15...
00:42:58 <\oren\_> yah, that's true for this
00:43:13 <\oren\_> and I guess that fully defines the sequence then
00:43:45 <\oren\_> cool
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01:17:25 <hppavilion[1]> Hi, bender|!
01:18:44 <hppavilion[1]> Perhaps I should invent a "formal illogic"
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01:19:56 <hppavilion[1]> A program called "WTFP" ("What the formal proof")
01:20:04 <hppavilion[1]> That implements an entirely foreign sort of math
01:32:57 <hppavilion[1]> Basically, Coq for Surrealist Mathematicians
01:33:16 <ais523> I guess you start with formal logic and change some of the axioms/rules
01:33:22 <ais523> I'm not sure which ones though
01:33:56 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: How about something stranger than that? xD
01:34:22 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: well I'm trying to think of a way to change even one rule in a way that doesn't cause the whole thing to fail spectacularly
01:34:23 <hppavilion[1]> The #esoteric principal: "Too normal, moving on"
01:34:24 <ais523> other than just removing it
01:34:42 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: Fair point. Perhaps something other than a logic?
01:48:49 <boily> tswett: warrigello.
01:51:29 <lifthrasiir> ais, hppavilion[1]: well, start with http://us.metamath.org/mpegif/meredith.html ?
01:51:49 <lifthrasiir> probably not as obscure though
01:59:01 <ais523> hmm, I guess if you remove exchange but keep all the others
01:59:10 <ais523> which is /not/ a standard form of substructural logic
01:59:14 <ais523> you end up with some sort of stack-based logic
01:59:29 <ais523> even then, though, it's still a subset of "regular" logic
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04:25:36 <hppavilion[1]> http://qr.ae/RgfZ50
04:33:12 <izabera> :)
04:39:39 <hppavilion[1]> What kind of languages does the world need for serious usage? Ones that could draw on Esotericism?
04:40:51 <lifthrasiir> hppavilion[1]: Ithkuil.
04:41:04 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: ...?
04:41:24 <lifthrasiir> ah, sorry; were you asking for *programming* languages?
04:44:52 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: Yes xD
04:45:21 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: Something that fits a niche area, sort of like what PHP does. In fact, an acceptable answer would be "PHP, but good"
04:51:00 <FreeFull> Picat?
04:51:46 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: ?
04:54:09 <hppavilion[1]> What are <? and ?> called in XML?
04:59:52 <FreeFull> http://picat-lang.org/
04:59:57 <FreeFull> hppavilion[1]: Dunno about <? and ?>
05:02:59 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: I'm getting info on #python
05:03:08 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: They recommend I just don't do that
05:04:23 <FreeFull> Use <? ?>?
05:05:29 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: Yes
05:22:23 <FreeFull> Picat is a pretty cool language
05:50:36 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: Picat is pretty, but isn't anything like Cool
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07:34:22 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: I just noticed Picat's logo
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09:30:21 <fizzie> I'm not sure <? ?> themselves have a name, but the syntactical construct of XML that uses them is called a "processing instruction" (PI).
09:32:50 <fizzie> PI ::= '<?' PITarget (S (Char* - (Char* '?>' Char*)))? '?>'
09:33:23 <fizzie> (The XML declaration at the start of the document might technically not be one.)
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11:37:10 <oerjan> bhoily
11:43:46 <boily> hellørjan!
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12:09:51 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[111]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46247&oldid=41639 * LexiciScriptor * (+151) added implementation
12:13:12 <Taneb> Why does the topic use at least two different ff ligatures
12:20:31 <oerjan> Taneb: it uses an ff and an ffi ligature
12:20:48 <oerjan> oh and ffl
12:20:53 <Taneb> Aaaaah
12:21:02 <Taneb> The one in fluffy seems a lot bigger to me
12:21:19 <Taneb> Might be a font issue
12:21:27 <Taneb> I'mm not exactly using Computer Modern to IRC
12:21:55 <oerjan> if you're using monospaced font like i, then it's just because it's the only one which is just 2 chars squeezed and not 3
12:23:26 <oerjan> WHY YOU HAVE TWO CLIENTS
12:23:53 <Taneb> Only two?
12:23:57 <Taneb> Huh, I'm slipping
12:24:05 <Taneb> oerjan: I left IRC open on my desktop
12:24:25 <Taneb> I'm using CIRC right now (which is terrible don't use it)
12:24:45 <oerjan> oh so this znc thing is a damn-i've-forgotten-the-word
12:25:13 <oerjan> is it bouncer
12:26:03 <Taneb> Yes
12:26:08 <Taneb> znc is a bouncer
12:26:15 <Taneb> I am using HexChat on my desktop
12:26:19 <Taneb> And CIRC on my Chromebook
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14:53:50 <Taneb> I forgot this rush
14:54:10 <Taneb> The rush I get when programming using something I'm not used to
15:00:28 <\oren\_> that's 'learning' isnt it
15:03:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck algorithms]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46248&oldid=42784 * YoYoYonnY * (+139) /* String to byte */
15:05:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46249&oldid=46095 * YoYoYonnY * (+22) /* Extensions */
15:06:43 <Taneb> \oren\_, sort of
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15:13:17 <Taneb> Using a language with poor debugging facility
15:13:43 <Taneb> Very fun when things go wrong
15:16:08 <Taneb> Especially as the language is non-deterministic
15:25:07 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46250&oldid=46249 * YoYoYonnY * (+832) Added conventions
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18:29:39 <hppavilion1> call/cc in CL?
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19:15:13 <izabera> meanwhile in italy, a building collapsed, several people died, one of them was a black woman
19:15:26 <izabera> racist priest refused to bless her coffin
19:16:33 <vanila> priests are bad
19:17:09 * coppro is in DLL hell
19:17:37 <vanila> can you  link a news article?
19:17:53 <LexiciScriptor> she was from morocco
19:17:56 <izabera> http://www.leggo.it/NEWS/ITALIA/don_angelo_chizzolini_rifiuta_benedire_marocchina_morta_foto/notizie/1803417.shtml  sorry it's in italian
19:17:59 <LexiciScriptor> not black
19:18:03 <izabera> oh
19:18:04 <vanila> thanks
19:18:05 <izabera> my bad
19:18:19 <LexiciScriptor> but the news is true
19:19:09 <LexiciScriptor> then you read this comment "Ha Fatto bene,perché poi bisogna benedire una non cristiana?fosse successo in Marocco la salma l'avrebbero buttata a mare"
19:19:23 <izabera> idiots
19:20:08 <vanila> i cant beleive this still happening in 2016
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19:20:29 <mauris> LexiciScriptor: can you give a rough translation?
19:20:45 <mauris> something like "why bless a non-christian"?
19:21:05 <LexiciScriptor> "the priest did good, why bless a non christian"
19:21:06 <izabera> "good, you don't bless non cristians. it this happened in morocco they'd have thrown her in the sea"
19:21:34 <vanila> "blessing" doesn't do anything
19:21:43 <vanila> he's just being a dickhead 
19:21:56 <vanila> everyone sould stop going to his church
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19:32:29 <shachaf> tromp_: I saw your article this morning. TG
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19:34:51 <tromp_> what's TG?
19:35:15 <shachaf> Too Good
19:35:22 <vanila> nice go counting tromp
19:35:37 <shachaf> Yep.
19:35:43 <shachaf> way to go!
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19:40:22 <zzo38> I received the next issue of 2600 and I do not know why they have latitude/longitude listed on every one and some circular diagram with dots with numbers
19:40:45 <vanila> maybe its geocaching
19:42:05 <zzo38> Possibly?
19:42:34 <zzo38> I realized what else I need to add into Magic: the Puzzling: Codex, which is I need to add rules for timestamps of objects.
19:45:22 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EsoKit]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46251&oldid=46216 * Hppavilion1 * (+662) EsoKit.ek toplevel functions (for NSIs)
19:45:43 <hppavilion[1]> tromp_: What article?
20:00:38 <tromp_> http://tromp.github.io/go/legal.html
20:01:16 <tromp_> Hacker News thread discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10950875
20:03:21 <int-e> heh, I visited that page about a week ago and was wondering when you'd finish :)
20:03:24 <int-e> congrats!
20:03:38 <tromp_> thanks!
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20:14:21 <fizzie> TG = Turing-gomplete.
20:25:08 <quintopia> nice work mr. tromp. always fun to see people throwing massive compute resources at finding useless numbers
20:28:02 <vanila> it has a lot of applications
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21:38:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[THRAT]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46252&oldid=35524 * 50.152.193.163 * (-3) Name is Mate Varga, not Matthew
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22:44:33 <shachaf> `olist 1020
22:44:46 <shachaf> HackEgo: you're so slow
22:44:51 <shachaf> i want to switch windows to read the olist
22:44:56 <HackEgo> olist 1020: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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22:53:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * Erinius *  New user account
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23:39:53 <zzo38> This new issue of 2600 includes stuff about problems with open source hardware, which I agree with even before they have written about it in 2600 I have realized these problems. However, it is possible to make true open source hardware too
23:41:15 <vanila> im worried because there isn't enough open source hardware
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23:46:50 <hppavilion[1]> I'm trying to figure out Cheese Theory
23:49:18 <boily> 2600 still exists?
23:49:26 <boily> hppavellon[1]. eh?
23:51:06 <hppavilion[1]> boily: It's the formal study of self-modifying, reflective, meta-circular interpreters and the languages that utilize them
23:51:24 <boily> ah. Cheese languages.
23:51:25 <hppavilion[1]> boily: Alternatively, it's me trying to mathematicalize Mascarpone
23:51:46 <vanila> see also 
23:51:51 <zzo38> Yes 2600 still exists
23:51:54 <hppavilion[1]> I've decided on this so far:
23:52:02 <vanila> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Cheese
23:52:14 <zzo38> And yes there isn't enough open source hardware although the problem mentioned here is a different kind of problem
23:54:00 <hppavilion[1]> Terp :: (String -> Env -> Env, String -> Op -> Terp -> Terp)
23:54:05 <hppavilion[1]> Or something along those lines
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23:56:26 <hppavilion[1]> The first item in the Terp tuple is the getins function, which takes a string and returns a function that takes the environment and returns the new environment
23:57:19 <hppavilion[1]> The second item is the takeins function, which takes an instruction name, an operation that that instruction performs, and an interpreter, and it returns a new interpreter with that instruction string (re)defined to the operation
23:57:31 <hppavilion[1]> It can also be called "install"