< 1452556808 810881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat wisdom/dahl | h < 1452556809 410954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Morse code is what "dahl dih dahl dahl" made me think of) < 1452556810 131452 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Royahl Dahhl ihs the kihng ohf Nohrway. < 1452556841 154278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks h < 1452556842 518486 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, h. T. < 1452556854 97962 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor harald will be so disappointed that he's no longer the king. < 1452556886 380056 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that reminds me of something i thought of < 1452556928 88369 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it sleep? < 1452557296 93574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1452557411 480240 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn remorse/.--. . --- .--. .-.. . / .-- .. - .... / -. --- / .-. . -- --- .-. ... . / .. -. ... .. ... - / --- -. / ... .- -.-- .. -. --. / . ...- . .-. -.-- - .... .. -. --. / .. -. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . --..-- / -... ..- - / --- -. .-.. -.-- / --- -. -.-. . .-.-.- < 1452557414 388349 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/h < 1452557414 566926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «remorse» < 1452557415 573475 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -p \ s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig < 1452557431 541975 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flogs himself --~~~~~~ < 1452557440 369301 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprists wisdom/remorse < 1452557441 450118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: culprists: not found < 1452557447 2686 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/remorse < 1452557449 578714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1452557779 298695 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1452558228 290599 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1452558391 784145 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1452558768 800196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1452558812 967270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1452559125 583522 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what did what's-his-name mean about the vampires twh <-- no clue hth < 1452559143 47525 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1452559172 347021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tdnh hth < 1452559292 402322 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a python library called Machina :) < 1452559311 740164 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all about abstract machines < 1452559341 362241 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm all about dos AMs `bout dos AMs, no CISC, all about...) < 1452559456 893604 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1452559544 26791 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1452559641 427718 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: possibly just that they shouldn't punish him for attacking them < 1452559657 743970 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he can attack the high priestess too so... < 1452559694 501823 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda wondering... for a directed graph to be turing complete, it needs to have an infinity of non-identical nodes < 1452559763 565423 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a directed graph is not by itself a model of computation so cannot be turing complete without something added < 1452559763 865524 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since if it doesn't have an infinity of nodes it can't store an infinite tape... < 1452559823 442272 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even mutable < 1452559826 512424 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if those nodes are identical (ie the graph has infinite symmetries which makes the nodes identical), then the program can't retrieve the infinite tape from its node position < 1452559857 506050 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : what's mutable is the position of the currently considered node < 1452559860 216161 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: a tape doesn't have to be infinite, just growable. < 1452559877 271155 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: ah so the graph is the state space < 1452559879 895723 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not infinite at any moment but it must be infinitely growable < 1452559880 743813 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1452559969 111936 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then it's pretty obvious yes < 1452560044 121031 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other requirement I'm ending up with for turing completeness is kinda weird though... < 1452560093 474844 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems rather awkward to define exactly what else a graph needs then < 1452560101 383652 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to require multiple different possible "growth rates"... which would explain the wire-crossing problem < 1452560106 118156 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you number the nodes < 1452560139 780246 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have additive nodes: node 1000 goes to 1017 for instance (+17) < 1452560169 655804 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is enough to have multiplicative nodes, that gives you the ability to encode fractran. < 1452560173 306225 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multiplicative nodes: node 1000 goes to 2000 (*2) (possibly combined with additive) < 1452560191 585039 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a fractran program < 1452560205 2289 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reverses (subtractive, divisive with different destinations depending on reminder) < 1452560247 883860 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think that as long as you have two different growth scales (like additive and exponential, additive and quadratic etc) then it works < 1452560250 305450 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need division with anything but 0 remainder < 1452560305 639819 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: it is enough to have multiplication and division (with remainder 0) by 2 and 3 < 1452560315 496089 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1452560325 563158 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have an FSA control too < 1452560352 38129 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, add a few more primes < 1452560363 942693 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsa can be emulated if you have a periodic pattern in some cases I think < 1452560390 141700 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say, take a look at fractran. < 1452560399 240937 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which I guess sis the same as adding more primes < 1452560552 176840 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you have *3 and /2 and additive? < 1452560585 170858 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kinda has multiple scales ish but they're like all one-way < 1452560714 177578 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :additive scale only is insufficient I think < 1452560758 783030 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's equivalent to fsa + one bignum < 1452560774 552853 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(minsky machine is turing complete but it takes fsa + two bignums) < 1452560775 426821 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that won't work. this reminds me very vaguely of my one brush with cstheory.stackexchange http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/21525/conjecture-about-two-counters-automata/29197#29197 < 1452560805 400266 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's really about how 2-cell minsky machine needs its input in very particular format < 1452560852 598972 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah < 1452560863 307423 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm *3 and /2, are you trying to involve collatz here? :P < 1452560869 71261 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D :D :D :D < 1452560892 951168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coll a tzpade a tzpade < 1452560925 125452 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's why collatz is hard, it has nearly all the elements of a turing machine and it's hard to tell if it has just enough or just too few < 1452560926 913786 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imho < 1452561068 537236 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, because of collatz you can at least encode a computation that's very hard to predict the result of < 1452561228 423113 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if anyone's tried to bound from below the hardness of predicting collatz < 1452561229 463488 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things that I wonder if they're turing complete are (add n to digit-reversed n, repeat until you get a palindrome) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN8PE3eljdA and (writing an integer as a sum of 3 cubes of integers including negatives) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wymmCdLdPvM < 1452561242 69305 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1452561245 481032 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​)ylwM%h"v,G-)7gI:<_s\U:N8{K;f} AlCqͩ"2P \ ړS Eu3wfB>Ru+a^̇VxdKŐv^9;VrnfwevVTg_/̯,{;Я^DѾ} V1G?hmXvsN,8 < 1452561273 453067 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :digit-reversing looks like a good method of getting the double-stack you need to get an infinite tape < 1452561411 605635 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid hackego, that breaks my terminal < 1452561437 710090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably that's a bug in the lient < 1452561439 930140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*client < 1452561479 180537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: what's with the "until you get a palindrome" halt condition? just because you wanted an arbitrary halt condition? < 1452561484 259873 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client works ok but i can't use ^L to see the raw version < 1452561492 311174 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1452561496 804219 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-L < 1452561506 682085 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lychrel numbers, e.g. it's unknown if 196 ever gives one < 1452561553 396022 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : I didn't come up with this, it's just that when I saw it, well, it has wildly varying number of steps and some that seem to go on forever... that's a candidate for turing completeness to me < 1452561580 500916 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :statistically, it probably doesn't, because once it grows enough heuristically the chances get miniscule that it ever will. < 1452561605 377409 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has been shown to grow to more than a billion digits. < 1452561612 518124 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without a palindrome) < 1452561649 801458 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I want to know is... is there a way to program in this system < 1452561675 699944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean, restricting the halt condition just makes TCness proofs harder < 1452561700 539616 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: you might take a look at Dupdog on our wiki < 1452561702 923761 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh right < 1452561716 834859 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't know how to program that either (or if it's possible) < 1452561730 617735 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once the number gets palindromic I think it just grows following 2^x * n < 1452561736 423699 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i believe ais523 has a few other examples < 1452561745 219679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xigxag is the other one < 1452561759 567177 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: no, it can turn nonpalindromic again < 1452561760 390499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although xigxag is a bit different because it grows exponentially in all nontrivial cases < 1452561766 736614 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1452561767 927128 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1452561773 19655 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like it's a preserved property < 1452561782 21632 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you're right on that one < 1452561786 56027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is if you can get Turing behaviour "inside" the string somehow < 1452561890 732685 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never finished my investigation of the mccullough2 machine < 1452561932 349011 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's the mandlebrot set that has this kindof property as well < 1452561933 257049 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got to the point where everything either obviously halted, diverged, or went into a weird minsky-like subsystem of <= 6 registers < 1452561976 383271 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theoretically there could still be something TC inside but i doubt there's enough complexity for it < 1452561977 704024 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's about something that can halt or not, can potentially have infinitely growable information store (in the digits of the current complex number) < 1452562040 743561 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: well complex numbers don't necessarily have finite number of digits < 1452562066 250461 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess if you start with that, it won't suddenly become infinite < 1452562082 563143 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1452562088 552509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/McCulloch's_second_machine for people who are having trouble finding the link (it took me a few tries) < 1452562109 151068 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you chose your z to have rational r and rational i, your current value is always rational no? < 1452562159 675790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've been sort-of specializing in weird restricted minskyalikes recently < 1452562170 841321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I assume the rules of this one are bizarrely complex? < 1452562218 390106 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bizarre, but not _that_ complex < 1452562244 566615 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my holy grail would be something in the family of a simple recursive equation applied until you hit some halt condition < 1452562251 283089 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally fitting on a single line < 1452562523 118326 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the relevant strings are of the form [24]*5[24]+5[24]*, which can be reanalyzed by ignoring all even-length sequences of 4s and then considering lengths of sequences of 2s as registers. < 1452562529 3034 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1452562580 593049 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can formulate the further evolution as register shuffling and addition/increments < 1452562598 937096 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if collatz turned out to be turing complete then it would qualify since you can write it as f(x) = (5 * (x mod 2)+1) * x/2 + (x mod 2) < 1452562620 246815 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you have more than about 6 registers it grows exponentially, while if the 5s ever get joined it halts. < 1452562782 271432 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(earlier stages where you have other digits and/or a different number of 5s than two will quickly reduce) < 1452562882 441481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: err, generalized collatz is turing complete < 1452562900 281565 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i also simplified by looking only at those recurring steps where it starts with a 5 < 1452562911 903651 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then you only have two groups of registers) < 1452562922 840973 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : yes but the ones that are proven turing complete are quite a bit larger no? :D < 1452562923 735288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, the complexity here is that the number of registers changes over time? < 1452562926 586210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: yep < 1452562971 673730 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1452562998 232692 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that would be cool is a turing complete function that gives a rational number if it "halts" and an irrational if it runs forever < 1452563000 983064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes quite a change to how you program a minskyalike! < 1452563007 467797 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there were more cases than i wanted to do by hand < 1452563046 457666 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't have an explicit loop, and to get the "loop" you have to compute it with increasing precision < 1452563086 714648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: haha, I like that < 1452563098 195356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even if it is rational, you can't in general prove it's rational < 1452563126 305211 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe something that is either positive or negative < 1452563156 432193 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's non halting the error range covers 0 forever < 1452563211 954403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd work < 1452563288 968281 :p34k!~p34k@nat-wh-wz4-12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de QUIT : < 1452563472 8304 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki's article on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterministic_finite_automaton starts very morbidly < 1452563705 599311 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hppavilion[1] < 1452563707 885525 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] se describe en las notas al pie. ¿Porqué no los dos? Nadie lo sabe. < 1452563746 645752 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "he'll burn in hell for calling Wikipedia "Wiki"" in spanish twh < 1452563746 823248 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1452563831 757907 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wiki is a fun abbreviation. It's not like I'm confusing it with anything. < 1452563841 968422 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's not like I said "Wikia" < 1452563856 450211 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an abbreviation it's a noun hth < 1452563886 712918 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've heard the British call it Wiki < 1452563911 328898 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Of course it's a noun. Abbreviations and nouns are not mutually exclusive < 1452563918 118223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the Wiki", or "Wiki", without context, refers to c2 IIRC < 1452563923 344707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe some other early wiki < 1452563929 421085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it doesn't in this case < 1452563930 170849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Wikipedia, though, it came later < 1452563950 79540 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, MeatballWiki? < 1452563961 82869 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machina is going nicely :) < 1452563985 467390 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan to allow it to do GUI xD < 1452564037 125437 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i shall take inspiration for how to punish the british from http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20060306 hth < 1452564124 94858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Something lingering, with boiling oil in it, I fancy. < 1452564147 785158 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: link? < 1452564158 397911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://diamond.boisestate.edu/gas/mikado/webopera/mk207d.html hth < 1452564407 77914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would have preferred i,i at the beginning wthh < 1452564410 367847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you < 1452565857 928175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1452565867 908354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1452567117 376857 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1452567582 22733 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-gzxsoriravueuwfe QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1452567619 91065 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-elhdgoawvsojwqgq JOIN :#esoteric < 1452568782 484417 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1452569228 580553 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1452569597 128642 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1452569683 120260 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1452570333 756071 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1452572221 400759 :Elsa!~user@unaffiliated/energy-/x-7653247 NICK :lolcat < 1452573441 25025 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1452574778 51795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1452575290 847395 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1452578154 617030 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1452578342 868608 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1452578531 360382 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did scott aaronson break his blog styling < 1452578548 705022 :catern!~catern@catern.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1452578664 430614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome catern < 1452578675 690032 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catern: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1452578683 562185 :catern!~catern@catern.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good channel < 1452578752 375095 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1452578760 598901 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure is < 1452578902 724714 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it must be on purpose, i don't think it had commenter icons before. but it's lost the comment numbers which everyone used to refer to each other, that's going to be confusing. (not that it wasn't before whenever the numbers shifted for whatever reason.) < 1452578929 42354 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1452581217 98794 :infinitymaster!~infinitym@c-67-201-229-11.reshall.wwu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1452581409 4584 :ben_!~ben@p4FC81ECC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1452581434 474079 :ben_!~ben@p4FC81ECC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1452581468 66985 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1452581593 234284 :infinitymaster!~infinitym@c-67-201-229-11.reshall.wwu.edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1452582116 146508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1452582671 784859 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1452583478 504942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1452583725 50112 :jaboja!~jaboja@erv10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1452584161 339044 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1452584201 611588 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnird < 1452584771 181844 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nom. fnǫrðr Acc. fnǫrð Dat. fnirði Gen. fnarðar < 1452584802 873838 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you declining icelandic < 1452584822 449588 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, old norse hth < 1452584879 229679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: may i offer you some latin < 1452584961 384516 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: go on < 1452584976 521824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :offer the latin < 1452584986 549552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: would you like some latin < 1452585003 862157 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nom. FNOR Gen. FNORDIS Dat. FNORDI Acc. FNOR Abl. FNORDE Voc. FNOR < 1452585166 316746 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1452585201 528088 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://arin.ga/pbjqXt/raw found some random bf code, then decided to change a couple of things in my interpreter and now the generated code is optimal < 1452585207 819627 :andrew!~andrew@116.25.144.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1452585254 928708 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"optimal" < 1452585259 951746 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey :( < 1452585262 741629 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not? < 1452585273 238429 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mumble* *mumble* kolmogorov complexity *mumble* < 1452585279 96947 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but :( < 1452585298 256840 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it makes sense to say that the generated code is optimal < 1452585303 142427 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1452585311 467420 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sophisticated enough compiler could evaluate things at compile-time < 1452585321 228726 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well but you have to stop at some point < 1452585330 823858 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's undecidable to know when it is < 1452585335 321126 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok < 1452585336 74483 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1452585341 3766 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :One would have to be conservative < 1452585356 623662 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output looks reasonable enough though < 1452585362 584850 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1452585382 143779 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from, y'know, compiling brainfuck to bash? first time I see that < 1452585420 581216 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1452585469 596986 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's fast enough to compete with badly written interpreters in any other language < 1452585478 791399 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a simple balanced bf loop. there _are_ some compilers that turn that into simple arithmetic. < 1452585501 279480 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there are no loops in the generated code < 1452585507 633423 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1452585526 766940 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CARRY ON, THEN < 1452585530 327605 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1452585704 186500 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nothing wrong with it, just a rather interesting combination of implemetation language and technique :P < 1452585818 392805 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should patent it and sell it for a billion dollars < 1452586000 647264 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a programming language that relies on the structure of recursively subdivided (by horizontal or vertical lines) rectangles? < 1452586330 13213 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno but that reminds me of https://esolangs.org/wiki/Memfractal < 1452586396 664893 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i once spent some time trying to see if i could do computation with < 1452586504 330960 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to be exact, I'm thinking about a programming language which code is either an (CJK) ideograph or an ideograph description sequence that has a recursive rectangular structure < 1452586547 24982 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Memfractal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46148&oldid=20662 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+41) 10cat < 1452586548 307852 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piet is similar in the regard that it has a block of colors and has a defined transition between them, but less structured. < 1452587817 775367 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1452588132 430326 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1452588133 714362 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tables suck < 1452588244 230417 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :memfractal looks pretty hard < 1452588249 429963 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1452588292 420231 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tables are naturally horizontal structures < 1452588298 941225 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while phones are naturally vertical thingies < 1452588451 685053 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the starting point of a memfractal program" < 1452588454 291793 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1452588505 117458 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdly enough my phone displays font-size: 1.125em SMALLER than regular text < 1452588506 10673 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1452588750 229302 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't properly zoom probably < 1452589031 292932 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL < 1452589049 108523 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: hm it doesn't say, although it's "trivial" to reroute. i was going to say it's symmetric but X isn't entirely. < 1452589079 407084 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being symmetrical may be a hard cutoff in terms of computational power < 1452589088 908888 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trivially rerouting the like < 1452589099 821723 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1452589111 625704 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you think so? < 1452589146 829515 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the code has to be symmetrical i can't do something like "right side of a box is true, left side is false" < 1452589157 890837 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the code doesn't have to be symmetric < 1452589172 157269 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the _language_ nearly is, except for X. < 1452589200 8107 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is symmetric by 180 degree rotation, and all except X by 90. < 1452589213 918670 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you need to switch / and \ for the latter) < 1452589217 334865 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language is symmetric, yeah < 1452589231 562802 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you still need to define where to enter in some way < 1452589236 657529 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these mobile phones webbased online emulators suck as well < 1452589242 623186 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them just embed an ifram < 1452589244 53692 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*iframe < 1452589244 812518 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1452589254 40670 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, i'm just saying it doesn't matter which edge you choose for that. < 1452589256 322591 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's total bullshit. < 1452589263 129150 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1452589289 215246 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 please specify the starting point of memfractal < 1452589289 537080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1452589359 812780 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in my opinion it's not up to me to fix displaying wide tables for smartphones < 1452589366 311557 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i think when rotating 90 degrees you can replace X by X surrounded by *'s < 1452589382 254186 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's the phone's browser's job, at least it should be. < 1452589386 678772 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't need more complicated rerouting < 1452589441 673585 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a simple char -> block replacement < 1452589465 301679 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the problem is, that each + basically loses information at that point, doesn't it? < 1452589564 661200 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/56/560d8044d232ba413157d5d3fae54212.png <- lynx needs some fixing too. < 1452589591 781324 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even try to align table cells correctly? and there's no space between

and
 which looks wrong.
< 1452589604 416299 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: well each recursive copy has its own bit, as it says
< 1452589619 824713 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait. no tables are fine.
< 1452589627 608227 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the 

 annoys me :(
< 1452589663 7642 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, but if you don't look exactly where you put your X, you may have a problem with keeping the information, don't you?
< 1452589686 330285 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i mean you replace an X by an X surrounded on all sides by *s
< 1452589697 93131 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is no bit change in total
< 1452589721 256257 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may need to expand the grid to fit, of course
< 1452589728 284967 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1452589733 773393 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be right
< 1452589764 453842 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1452589775 478533 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like I/O would be nice
< 1452589792 653713 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you have this "memory is your output"-thingie
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< 1452591546 718910 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/exps/1.html too bad html can't auto generate references :(
< 1452591736 81138 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why people have these "to the top" "to bottom" links that scroll with the page (probably position: fixed)
< 1452591748 366311 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what browser keyboard shortcuts/mouse gestures are for
< 1452591798 805574 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: "to the content" and "to/from the footnote" I lke
< 1452591817 883075 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :position: fixed usually sucks because it tends to overlap with the content if implemented poorly
< 1452591838 111221 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example if it's on the left and fixed and you assume there's about 100pixels space on the left before content
< 1452591846 451447 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let's say you use a margin-left: 10%)
< 1452591851 409266 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 10% is way smaller on smartphones
< 1452591861 965157 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the navigation div now overlaps the content
< 1452591881 960544 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the margin of the content div is now smaller than 100pixels
< 1452591920 182604 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, but these links should be placed at the top imo
< 1452591952 246223 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and footnotes links are placed within the content so that's not an issue anyway
< 1452591974 622927 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, ideally the "to the content" should be the first thing on the page
< 1452591999 398049 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think jumps to anchors should be the browser history's job
< 1452592039 216270 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that when you jump to some other place in the content you can easily jump back
< 1452592088 523712 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because making backlinks from footnotes is in my opinion somewhat against the spirit of HTML :D
< 1452592100 672793 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my idealized version of HTML :))
< 1452592144 128221 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's no distinction between id's used for jump targets
< 1452592145 852480 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ids
< 1452592150 675885 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ids only used for CSS
< 1452592160 308483 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise browsers could display a document structure on the left for example
< 1452592190 128501 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since people use ids for all sorts of scripting/styling stuff you'd just probably clutter it
< 1452592210 77042 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's time for HTML6
< 1452592213 660152 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the *REAL* HTML
< 1452592222 988413 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one used for documents, not web applications :D
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< 1452592280 186717 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What'll you use for web apps
< 1452592292 393654 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5
< 1452592293 420402 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1452592358 791701 :bender|!benderpc@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender
< 1452592458 192706 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and HTML6 definitely would ignore all javascript :D
< 1452592516 207241 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mind, at that point CSS4 will get Turing-completeness.
< 1452592565 518194 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be probably restricted to CSS2.1
< 1452592580 913330 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a restricted subset of CSS3
< 1452592689 918263 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this rate epub is basically HTML+related technologies for documents
< 1452592729 455961 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well HTML is a good base for lots of things
< 1452592763 694859 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people now doing UI with HTML
< 1452592773 39225 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and HMTL probably was never supposed to be used for that :D
< 1452592776 808760 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*HTML
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< 1452594338 4651 :mysanthrop!~myname@84.200.43.57 NICK :myname
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< 1452597943 892950 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"肉片が飛び散っている" -> "Cuts of meat flew and were scattered [like flower petals]" WTF I had no idea the writers of Asahi Shimbun could be so brutal.
< 1452598102 887380 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452598236 813158 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452598261 660275 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiboily!
< 1452598276 461095 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohighly!
< 1452598439 728481 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be possible to design a programming language in such a way that, like YAML, its format is very flexible, allowing both python-style indentation blocks and C style {} blocks
< 1452598521 499980 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSS iirc is already at least a push-down automaton
< 1452598650 947799 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999594.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write a memfractal implementation
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< 1452600289 387369 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\!
< 1452600305 32961 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one
< 1452600333 702024 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: like Haskell? 
< 1452600361 448747 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mynamello, b_jhellonas.
< 1452600875 974783 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TURNOVER CHICKEN
< 1452601496 34995 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
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< 1452602338 928514 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: and begin ... end blocks
< 1452602346 455438 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my improved bf interpreter can execute mandelbrot.b in only 2h42m31s!!!
< 1452602396 658745 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-236-58.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1452602398 156317 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1452602425 66326 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a benchmark program that terminates in a reasonable amount of time?
< 1452602426 635402 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1452602431 573813 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere within a few minutes?
< 1452602533 515357 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hanoi.b takes less than 50s
< 1452602812 219356 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick any
< 1452602898 684873 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-236-58.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452602921 594278 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what do you want to benchmark?
< 1452602987 684047 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost three hours for mandelbrot.b...
< 1452602991 794735 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again, it /is/ bash :P
< 1452603011 58415 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot faster than it used to be
< 1452603026 63680 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot faster than any other bash interpreter
< 1452603089 536069 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: bf interpreters/compilers
< 1452603091 282567 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatuver
< 1452603114 745240 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-236-58.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452603170 881283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, bf.
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< 1452603214 813301 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-236-58.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
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< 1452606151 364788 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline QUIT :Changing host
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< 1452608658 787346 :lolcat!~user@unaffiliated/energy-/x-7653247 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452610043 760453 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1452611893 793332 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brooonfack
< 1452611894 840916 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1452611898 52610 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new esolang
< 1452613777 56612 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1452614031 160623 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [ (5,5137,4095)
< 1452614031 374743 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > (5,5137,4094)
< 1452614031 946174 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric : + (5,5137,4094)
< 1452614032 837765 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff
< 1452614034 768221 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains a lot
< 1452614841 68462 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xeiqlvgxiclocyhk QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1452615865 501204 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :squark
< 1452615877 877254 :squark!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :nortti
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< 1452618235 526142 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.215 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1452618568 402169 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 NICK :OpieOP
< 1452618574 706016 :OpieOP!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1452619447 585654 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Electrodude512 5*  10New user account
< 1452619549 79777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RSSB14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46149&oldid=31329 5* 03Electrodude512 5* (+68) 10Added my RSSB interpreter to External Resources
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< 1452619968 602688 :jaboja64!~jaboja@erv206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1452621287 741873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so handy: in github, if you've got a commit page of the form  https://github.com/account/repo/commit/sha  you can just append .patch to get it as a patch.
< 1452621306 993656 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:SPLEMIT2114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46150 5* 0372.10.123.177 5* (+112) 10Created page with "This is just a copy of HQ9+...~~~~"
< 1452621329 428346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why there's no "view patch" link in the UI for that. They have the "Raw" view for files, after all.
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< 1452621669 363229 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1452621683 268422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapole/A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6' by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg.
< 1452621816 594837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? psi
< 1452621817 643922 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :psi? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1452621864 322021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... pound per square inch, an ancient greek unit of pressure
< 1452621951 475690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unfortunately, the "pound per square inch" part is real)
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< 1452624249 122681 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46151&oldid=45240 5* 0372.10.123.177 5* (+2) 10/* Hello, world! */
< 1452624264 405541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46152&oldid=46151 5* 0372.10.123.177 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, world! */
< 1452624371 698844 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello, world!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46153&oldid=44844 5* 0372.10.123.177 5* (+202) 10
< 1452625162 209834 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1452626362 450025 :asdasdasdasdasd!c151fa29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.81.250.41 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1452626553 581645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, a CR instead of a LF? 
< 1452626556 653946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just bizarre.
< 1452626594 747119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Re the Befunge edits, they changed the old   "!dlroW ,olleH">:#,_@   to   94+"!dlroW ,olleH">:#,_@   instead of the common 55+ or 25* that you normally see.)
< 1452626634 586647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm not that sure about both words being capitalized either.
< 1452626724 106652 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grins manically.
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< 1452627200 383853 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl PART :#esoteric
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< 1452628992 219290 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-69.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The union of the set s multiplied by l and t
< 1452629024 884197 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-69.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using math to make slurs is fun :)I
< 1452629028 116377 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-69.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bad person :)
< 1452629334 295658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote SNOWMAN
< 1452629334 295710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1452629334 959697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what1
< 1452629337 396884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!
< 1452629343 981753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose haiku was that
< 1452629436 841268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: Was it you?
< 1452629446 602742 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine!
< 1452629464 23042 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAHJONG TILE AUTUMN / HIRAGANA LETTER YA / SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW.
< 1452629481 401158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you /nick mauris so i can quotify that
< 1452629485 410771 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-69.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Minsky machine... except instead of integer registers, the registers are sets with the according operations changed
< 1452629498 40462 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl NICK :mauris
< 1452629501 664194 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-69.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the operations follows an alternate state transition if the set is empty
< 1452629509 828811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is the period canonical?
< 1452629522 178431 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1452629538 946395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the canonical version
< 1452629546 202595 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this time for quotableness:
< 1452629547 81099 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAHJONG TILE AUTUMN / HIRAGANA LETTER YA / SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
< 1452629562 141594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  MAHJONG TILE AUTUMN / HIRAGANA LETTER YA / SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
< 1452629564 646407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1260)  MAHJONG TILE AUTUMN / HIRAGANA LETTER YA / SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
< 1452629567 394818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need more unicode poetry
< 1452629572 157753 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a limerick too
< 1452629594 466018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did i
< 1452629599 67653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was yours?
< 1452629618 388544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote prose
< 1452629619 287232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1136)  A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric."
< 1452629645 121784 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEXAGRAM FOR THE CREATIVE HEAVEN / MATHEMATICAL BOLD DIGIT SEVEN / KANGXI RADICAL WHITE / VERTICAL TRAFFIC LIGHT / NEGATIVE CIRCLED NUMBER ELEVEN
< 1452629683 393169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
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< 1452631662 189273 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-69.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A programming language
< 1452631671 851772 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-69.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the only way to accomplish anything is through debugging
< 1452631752 895568 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called c
< 1452631911 491722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-69.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: No, using debugging is how you figure out how to do somethign
< 1452631927 157081 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, c++ with boost, then?
< 1452631939 310812 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-69.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: What I'm getting at is a language that requires debugging to actually /program/, even if you are a programming genius
< 1452632136 349477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used to write small assembly programs in debug.com (later debug.exe)
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< 1452632446 839212 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: those are nice poems
< 1452632495 57979 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ꙮ
< 1452632496 236852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ꙮ is the official Unicode character of #esoteric.
< 1452632509 604059 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what it's called..
< 1452632512 806526 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮ
< 1452632514 28001 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O]
< 1452632518 797975 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right.
< 1452632579 146612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you pronounce my limerick without knowing what that letter is called
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< 1452633449 591626 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was why I looked it up.
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< 1452634980 695346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Now you must write a Unicode poem.
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< 1452639623 986006 :noob_prodigy_!59f3302c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.243.48.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've looked on Google and it's hard to find material on Brainfuck and I can't figure it out myself: How does one go about /copying/ (as opposed to moving) one cell's contents into another cell?
< 1452639708 352677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :noob_prodigy_: you move the cell to two other cells, then move one of them back to the original cell
< 1452639748 273534 :noob_prodigy_!59f3302c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.243.48.44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh that makes sense, thanks
< 1452639768 337641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the same question about x86 and registers. There's only a move instruction, no copy instruction.
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< 1452639832 475468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for x86, you zero the other register, then add the value from the first one. move instructions are rarely useful, and they have fewer encodings than arithmetic instructions.
< 1452639847 250305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1452639970 529020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The x86 add instruction is LEA, right?
< 1452640086 335821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's more than one add instructions. these days you have XADD and stuff like that too. 
< 1452640281 438948 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I'm surprised you didn't know about ꙮ already
< 1452640348 712523 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, I had just forgotten its name
< 1452640358 969641 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use it too often
< 1452640363 721461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1452640377 501151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner uses it in his prose
< 1452640420 23445 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but my poetry's alphanumeric
< 1452640443 508808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, so is multiocular o.
< 1452640462 16368 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how odd, I haven't realized before
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