< 1448928046 638271 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1448928068 854965 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I un join a channel? < 1448928080 698172 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I joined #esteric by mistake < 1448928131 483373 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my internet was out earlier < 1448928179 118488 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do power bars have switches that can be activated by wayward feet? < 1448928329 16441 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! /leave < 1448928594 888540 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1448929009 752364 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Where are your backslashes. I barely recognize you without your backslashes. < 1448930750 986867 :jaboja!~jaboja@ers45.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1448930998 665490 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca NICK :\oren\ < 1448931025 940070 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: note that it was a database *query language* based on category theory that I wanted to create. < 1448931037 302295 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to make a database, use SQLite or something. < 1448931038 761579 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1448931043 562583 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1448931050 958472 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1448931063 347269 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The basic idea behind the category theory of databases... < 1448931094 879525 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tables are objects. Columns (and things that behave like columns, such as chains of foreign keys) are arrows. < 1448931237 648798 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I've primarily been considering read-only databases. I'll want to think about writable databases, too, of course, but that'll make stuff more complicated. < 1448931309 499237 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I guess it's probably best to imagine all this as taking place in the category Set. So, tables are simply thought of as being sets, and columns are simply functions. < 1448931336 957781 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of concepts that are useful in databases turn out to be fundamental concepts in category theory. < 1448931450 313845 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A union of two queries is a "coproduct" (which really ought to just be called a "sum")... almost. The cartesian product of two queries is a product. < 1448931468 726257 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding a "where" clause gives you an "equalizer". < 1448931489 308164 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An inner join is the same thing as a "pullback". < 1448931528 934839 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most excitingly, a SQL query of the form "SELECT FROM a_table, another_table, ... WHERE this = that, these = those, ..." is the same thing as a "limit". < 1448931539 371871 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that a limit in category theory isn't at all the same thing as a limit in... the rest of mathematics. < 1448931610 787768 :^^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1448931641 14731 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they're related, somehow, supposedly. < 1448931642 755661 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1448931642 918082 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: err what < 1448931652 734782 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm not sure I follow at all. What are the head and tail of an arrow? < 1448931676 588138 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that an arrow is the same thing as a morphism, right? < 1448931687 679682 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The domain is the table containing the foreign key; the codomain is the table referenced by the foreign key. < 1448932005 781164 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1448932013 787948 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes much more sense < 1448933335 828792 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages < 1448934016 796692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1448934473 581489 :andrew!~andrew@14.20.73.119 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1448934652 986406 :andrew!~andrew@14.20.73.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1448935678 821589 :^^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1448936626 613668 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1448937051 555042 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering making a language called "ASM for Pythonistas" < 1448937172 296201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45740&oldid=45739 5* 03103.3.96.10 5* (+2) 10/* Specification */ < 1448938945 818012 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1448940013 491831 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. Making it. < 1448940465 792375 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see a pseudoarithmetical operation for which the identity is 2. < 1448940474 828496 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If possible. At all. < 1448940657 723612 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without just defining an operation such that the identity is 2. That's cheating. < 1448941210 128894 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dsgqopdecqnrvemb JOIN :#esoteric < 1448941926 376091 :andrew!~andrew@14.20.73.119 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1448941957 657742 :andrew!~andrew@183.54.14.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1448942622 844848 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1448943030 568185 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x,y) = x + y - 2 < 1448943075 527511 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] f(x,y) = x+y-2 < 1448943075 689384 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1448943542 549100 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1448943596 194045 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea for something eso- that could have serious uses in the real world in an actual way. < 1448943669 509865 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name of the general concept is "Inappropriately Placed Assembly Languages", or "Inappropriately Placed Executables" if you prefer. < 1448943793 24096 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, the idea is to write highly-efficient programs in ASM and a mid-level language like C or Rust that run a domain-specific bytecode, such as one for something PHP-like. The purpose of this is to make web languages compilable to highly efficient code as opposed to being interpreted, thus increasing the efficiency of infrastructure by 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.00000006%. < 1448943804 164206 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, this might be what's done already and I might just be an idiot. < 1448943900 266448 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does... b_jonas think? < 1448943943 444700 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: are you talking about wasm? < 1448943955 197210 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Is that a thing? < 1448943958 952254 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit. Again. < 1448943961 986979 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Is that a thing? < 1448943972 868225 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: in development but almost yes. < 1448944000 457818 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Oh, no, this is server-side. < 1448944008 484320 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1448944009 847887 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1448944024 413421 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess wasm is not really bound to the web browser < 1448944036 912000 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't, due to the nature of languages < 1448944048 985427 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though based on the fact that is has an AST, I don't think it's really an ASM. < 1448944052 301904 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: to be clear, the status-quo JS interpreter already does so to some extent < 1448944069 349517 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the role of asm.js or wasm is to guarantee that (and to cut the parsing cost) < 1448944072 881879 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Does what so? < 1448944076 598727 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, asm < 1448944084 272477 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.js < 1448944085 680901 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1448944121 196779 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea is for server-side stuff so that you can write something to the same effect as PHP, but faster and awesomer. < 1448944124 696497 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write a JS code sufficiently looks like low level code (in terms of code complexity; not to mean I/O or so), it does compile that to that level < 1448944164 740378 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a killer feature of (mod_)php is an opcode caching, isn't it? < 1448944166 624660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: But what do you think of the idea? < 1448944177 527673 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue what that is. < 1448944225 61648 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: php source code is parsed into an internal opcode which is interpretered. mod_php caches the first step (parsing) so that an unmodified php source code can be executed much faster. < 1448944308 764715 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Ah, that's cool. But being able to write ASM that does PHP would still be /so cool/ < 1448944334 903327 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or terrible? :p < 1448944373 960828 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Naw, pretty sure it'd be cool < 1448944454 179468 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other weird ASMy things could I do.. < 1448944455 438260 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1448944524 62024 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: What level do you program on? High or low? < 1448944527 94650 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I've once thought of a vectorized asm-like bytecode. < 1448944536 242409 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vectorized? < 1448944593 53077 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well, opcode interpretation is not very fast, but if you can delegate some specific task to a single opcode, that can be made faster < 1448944604 833800 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's a recurring theme on the physical chip < 1448944616 755943 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why do we have an AES round instruction on x86? :p) < 1448944617 739196 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making an ASM called "ASM for Pythonistas", which I want to have features reminiscent of the high level while still being down low. I currently have one thing: Variable-length instructions. You have any suggestions? < 1448944636 233590 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1448944668 212158 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1448944692 399681 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make a bytecode that is relatively easy to implement (no JIT, possibly a threaded impl, but not much) < 1448944705 492908 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and relatively fast when you use a right opcode < 1448944736 939007 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifting (the first layer of) loops into opcodes seems to be a fine approach < 1448949570 234432 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am attempting to produce the most complete catalogue of stack manipulation operations ever: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Im3xnBO-CUeqLHWfpNfHhbfh5ZzgXvML4yFjPqXKdF0/edit# < 1448949575 81079 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Want to see < 1448949576 393589 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1448949587 402694 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at work, later :) < 1448949714 638115 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK :) < 1448949956 524338 :MC8!~zuzak@wikimedia/microchip08 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1448949979 660970 :Wallacoloo!~colin@2601:602:8a00:78e3:edc4:664d:507b:fa67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1448950047 839137 :Wallacoloo!~colin@2601:602:8a00:78e3:edc4:664d:507b:fa67 PART :#esoteric < 1448950296 855439 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@24.237.158.9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1448952452 672155 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1448952620 58839 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1448953545 841106 :MC8!~zuzak@wikimedia/microchip08 JOIN :#esoteric < 1448953630 713955 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1448954893 346440 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :moral dilemma: jack works with children, let's say he's a kindergarten teacher < 1448954908 470802 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :jack is found to be a pedo and he's sentenced to 20 years in prison < 1448954925 195281 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 years later, jack wants his job back < 1448954940 222906 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you hire him? < 1448955054 830108 :MC8!~zuzak@wikimedia/microchip08 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1448955309 722351 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1448955418 535614 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Seriously14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45741 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+14869) 10This took way too long. < 1448955541 122242 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1448955958 696602 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1448956176 679737 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1448956198 956053 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1448956371 4790 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-tmalnluibyhlixhf QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1448956998 345305 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Let's go with /no/ < 1448957611 137848 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45742&oldid=45687 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+16) 10/* S */ < 1448957690 533726 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1448957691 987137 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord < 1448958015 383039 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nzucqudmxblgsjsn JOIN :#esoteric < 1448958024 369184 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, mroman! < 1448958682 130762 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wnt to learn ASM. So naturally, I'm writing an Assembly language first then learning by writing in it. < 1448959060 868899 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1448960193 696452 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], haha < 1448960215 743534 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really want to do ASM you should learn arm/thumb < 1448960217 842250 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Yep < 1448960220 988723 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should < 1448960222 96125 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats where the money is at < 1448960242 246068 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR I could write my own ASM interpreter and learn that so I grasp the concepts, then get the nuances of individual ASMs later < 1448960263 317043 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASM is easy. < 1448960301 741936 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, lol... < 1448960325 968367 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1448960347 738529 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the rules are easy < 1448960348 626372 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah until the platform you are on doesnt have gdb and has no emulator < 1448960354 180725 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Brainfuck < 1448960366 456579 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to do something in it is a little bit inconvenient. < 1448960445 908144 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm is pretty easy < 1448960502 667665 :Jafet!~jafet@60-242-81-155.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1448960513 11263 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which asm < 1448960515 837846 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1448960543 567731 :Jafet!~jafet@60-242-81-155.static.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Changing host < 1448960543 766157 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1448960555 268839 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i have done a bit of x86 and there are 100,000,000 and a half ways to do everything < 1448960556 475314 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we learned nasm < 1448960571 97350 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh like gmod GPUs? < 1448960578 356564 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is fun < 1448960990 938386 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1448962410 806812 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1448962502 913138 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1448962510 704350 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1448963247 1170 :andrew!~andrew@183.54.14.84 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1448963546 954980 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1448963586 945125 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1448963590 247696 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1448963708 602906 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1448963731 527976 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1448963979 711173 :MoALTz_!~no@78-11-179-104.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1448964154 856241 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-179-104.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1448965177 741264 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1448965844 702633 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1448966814 951687 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1448967016 655114 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1448967194 252813 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1448967374 747346 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1448967934 956274 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1448968246 688577 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1448968508 31225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45743&oldid=45740 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Compiler */ < 1448969805 663509 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1448969821 753253 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fternoily < 1448969958 288721 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bœrjan matin. < 1448970758 749740 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1448972126 776555 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1448972366 880451 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril. < 1448972367 116971 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you can trivially write a screen-scraper to build a scheme48 image to start with < 1448972397 819544 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1448972778 570413 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nostril is not a word I use very often < 1448973063 732662 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FATAL CHICKEN < 1448973765 513508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how is mandril a word you use very often? < 1448973765 780118 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, also the sound is actually measured by how far it goes down for me too < 1448974034 715392 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1448974106 556649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can you scrub toilets? < 1448974107 22784 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: using emacs? o_o we could make a pencil&paper implementation of whirl is just a nice ui/ interface paradigm for an os class, which the environment can then read my diary using just a normal linux kernel, dude. < 1448974114 609790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1448974434 480817 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-x-scrub-toilet < 1448976440 817118 :MC8!~zuzak@wikimedia/microchip08 JOIN :#esoteric < 1448976494 730386 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1448978268 834513 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the GOT writable? < 1448978291 4287 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it made read-only once the runtime linker is done? < 1448978444 862280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea. ask the libc people. < 1448979475 949392 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1448979806 946323 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1448980046 714180 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e JOIN :#esoteric < 1448980698 738495 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1448981349 123382 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :T_a_n_e_b < 1448981408 257019 :T_a_n_e_b!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :Taneb < 1448982432 661982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, when? < 1448982432 862422 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it can be < 1448982445 970527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, but Christmas in which year? < 1448982446 216523 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, there i can steal or guess ids of other users it's a problem < 1448982900 162810 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1448984280 341700 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1448984376 738968 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1448985434 583279 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1448985867 286555 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fun? < 1448985867 660962 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: but i would prefer installation via curses honestly... it's not really much gain. i realize how lucky i was to call car on a string < 1448985878 985119 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: car on a string? < 1448985879 224044 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: do you have a look at it tomorrow, since i still haven't finished drawing the original problem. :p < 1448985994 918295 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1448986328 218392 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1448986578 249405 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: sure I can give it a look. < 1448986578 411122 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: c ya tommorow :( < 1448986979 729188 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1448987974 721734 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1448988865 346570 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1448989743 23060 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1448990420 93666 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1448990473 370680 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1448990980 677027 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1448991084 964544 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1448991105 864174 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1448991467 631664 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1448992338 191641 :MoALTz_!~no@78-11-179-104.static.ip.netia.com.pl NICK :MoALTz < 1448993394 162949 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1448993720 130742 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1602 characters so far, working on Armenian script. < 1448993745 82013 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a hard script to fit in the bitmap. < 1448994085 697366 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1448994120 615877 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1448994616 616427 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dsgqopdecqnrvemb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1448994761 548514 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making an attempt to categorize all the operations in all of the languages. < 1448994805 969382 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ in / for /; s/languages/data structures/ < 1448996100 692262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1448996361 438607 :invitada-!~invitada-@89.128.156.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1448996535 183276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- we have finalized all the necessary arrangement and your fund ($5.5USD)has been approve by the border directors of Uba Bank --" well, okay, but five and a half dollars isn't really that much to celebrate for. < 1448996606 656577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they want $85 for a "transfer clearance certificate approval", which makes me think this isn't really a good deal I'm getting. < 1448996608 585396 :invitada-!~invitada-@89.128.156.146 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1448996635 648737 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so I have Deque, Tape, and Trape in my database of DS operations < 1448996663 684663 :invitada-!~invitada-@89.128.156.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1448996728 762027 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've defined roughly 20-25 operations for the Deque, and can definitely think of some more < 1448997056 725884 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1448997429 882555 :invitada-!~invitada-@89.128.156.146 QUIT : < 1448997553 941348 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-71-10.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1448997942 808142 :Wallacoloo!~colin@2601:602:8a00:78e3:8dd6:333f:4c13:bc82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1448997956 180012 :Wallacoloo!~colin@2601:602:8a00:78e3:8dd6:333f:4c13:bc82 PART :#esoteric < 1448998060 718918 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1448998188 760409 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1448998300 371809 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1448998896 831890 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the manual of a fridge and freezer, what does this instruction mean? “Do not change the specifications of this appliance.” < 1448998921 765600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are translated versions of the manual to about nine languages if it helps. < 1448999607 977760 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have Dutch? < 1448999622 254008 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the English doesn't seem to make much sense < 1448999815 601356 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to do a speech for english on why my hobby is the best hobby < 1448999823 364475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my hobby is programming. < 1448999848 93450 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm going to do a short speech then play Rebecca Black's "Friday" through windows's speech API < 1449000002 588105 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449000066 902012 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Well if specification means the same thing here as it does in programming, I would assume it means don't hack into their factory computers and change the way it's manufactured < 1449000109 571056 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it probably doesn't, so I assume that it just means don't mess with the device because they're anti-personal freedom to screw with your own fucking property < 1449000617 55263 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449000719 550043 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashellu! < 1449000832 865572 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449000918 712899 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449000928 67600 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449000977 710685 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449000978 919396 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v < 1449001200 732027 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449001202 848476 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1449001684 954556 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449001863 757795 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glitchellomatic! < 1449002111 802559 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1449002128 820714 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :im currently building a humman act like numerical prossesor < 1449002141 995593 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far im wondering where my error < 1449002609 719777 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449002845 838984 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1449002853 845318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welo: dutch seems to be “De specificatie van het apparaat mag niet worden veranderd.” < 1449002872 111025 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic < 1449002877 853122 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means exactly the same < 1449002905 415584 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that hppavilion[1] is right, and that they mean you shouldn't hack it < 1449002971 843400 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glitchomatic: Building a human act like numerical processor? You mean a numerical processor that behaves like a human? < 1449002985 310580 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what mean behave < 1449003028 60421 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other word it is the main piece of a robot to react like a humman < 1449003040 569567 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the very middle one the center piece < 1449003062 499425 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all number and equation symbol < 1449003067 294952 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there no word < 1449003080 539494 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the main piece < 1449003097 522469 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the secont one have word < 1449003110 305161 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all relate to 1 number < 1449003114 84984 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number 7 < 1449003784 751229 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449003843 9462 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449004300 858787 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449005366 999460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be cool if the universe was structured such that TMs could "recur" within one another, increasing computational class each time < 1449005392 397233 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially, if, if you replaced the FSM of a TM's state with another TM, it got more powerful < 1449005633 125707 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jiqeifxpzovxavea JOIN :#esoteric < 1449005643 428805 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449005655 296576 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you restrict a TM such that the state FSM can only be a decision tree? < 1449005685 8010 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-czglvnzkunkayrae QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449005796 702333 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-yqxxpgtpdalzztee JOIN :#esoteric < 1449006038 727316 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449006205 761112 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449006222 802393 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-90.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449006393 958354 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449006453 638957 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449006847 192406 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449006918 518135 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca QUIT : < 1449007346 35458 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449007489 251659 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1449007503 691944 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1449007717 39425 :OmkAAR!~OMMER@199.195.165.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449007731 864675 :Jettins!~Jettins@pool-71-101-250-189.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449008114 847537 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449008339 21055 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449008357 732541 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449008609 758757 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449009209 791514 :Guest49439!~sprocklem@131.104.23.7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449009810 699572 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449009847 664869 :Jafet!~jafet@60-242-81-155.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449009973 19653 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1449010321 167569 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449012830 319689 :Jafet!~jafet@60-242-81-155.static.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1449013222 710354 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449013331 322632 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see HaskASM. Basically, a purely-functional assembly language. Somehow. < 1449013399 761874 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just a Haskell that is all about dos registries < 1449013418 978595 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bout doz registries no sta-ack) < 1449013635 200539 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something like reduceron assembly < 1449013665 861183 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449013828 151131 :Jettins!~Jettins@pool-71-101-250-189.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1449015669 236019 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good evnnnng < 1449016565 861222 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@131.104.23.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449016589 546319 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@131.104.23.6 NICK :Guest49671 < 1449018362 790133 :Guest49671!~sprocklem@131.104.23.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449019766 784994 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1449019780 166582 :TellsTogo!3ecd4655@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.70.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449019818 977212 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb42.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449020139 928000 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449020301 478797 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1449020301 718928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 020111Z 04005KT 5SM -RA BR SCT005 OVC009 01/01 A2999 RMK SF3SF5 SLP158 < 1449020328 391409 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungotting weather. 01/01, it's raining sleet and sludge and freezing rain. < 1449020328 667299 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: very language has it's strength, and it's concatenative not functional, it doesn't break down below definitions in the current version < 1449020343 759418 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: its, not it's. < 1449020343 921305 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well if you have < 1449020348 393622 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I have. < 1449020348 555628 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i doubt you find it < 1449020358 16300 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you cheeky bastard. < 1449020358 390888 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well no it isn't... but it would take us weeks to reach any interesting conclusions; we don't talk about being sent to me with the feeley's continuation interface, the cml-style event system, of course < 1449020388 181757 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh dear. much much more than just mere weeks to reach anything understandable with you. < 1449020606 764238 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: hilion[1]! < 1449020613 128435 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1449020632 295413 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the weather on your end? < 1449020644 502282 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very wet here < 1449020656 104720 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelloppro! < 1449020742 593102 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least a coworker and I discovered a new bánh mì place, so all is not lost. < 1449020784 597442 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :banh mi plus accents? < 1449020789 476886 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that? < 1449020961 492202 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vietnamese sandwich ^^ < 1449021022 645427 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you take a baguette and fill it with goodies: vietnamese mayo, some meat, marinated carrots and radish, cilantro, hot peppers... < 1449021057 885970 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like mine with nem chua (fermented pork sausage). < 1449021067 662270 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever end up in boilyland you'll have to show me < 1449021083 97619 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is boilyland? < 1449021095 239715 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. boilyland is Montréal. < 1449021119 639361 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound like something I'd like < 1449021130 663706 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a footlong sandwich will run you about 4 bucks. < 1449021143 80279 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: beuh :/ < 1449021152 916911 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sausage? < 1449021162 154657 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it < 1449021168 620026 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 bucks!? That's like 2 quid! < 1449021184 475727 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't handle spice, especially not pepper spice (small amounts of curry is ok). I don't like fermented/pickled things. < 1449021189 172912 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I did not realise the exchange rate was that close to 2 < 1449021202 120843 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when it was like 2.5 < 1449021234 347811 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was at a quiz today! (well, yesterday) and a question about the price of bitcoin came up! < 1449021247 995299 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I was the only person who got, because I looked it up the other day < 1449021330 334553 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the team I was on came 5th out of 8 < 1449021533 578729 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did pick up some snazzy onion goggles in the raffle, though < 1449021568 62247 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an onion goggle? < 1449021583 585174 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goggles for the purpose of making chopping onions easier < 1449021595 131900 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So your eyes don't start watering < 1449021625 345285 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nifty! < 1449021657 464866 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, these have their style inspired, seemingly, by Dame Edna Everage < 1449021746 908140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449021825 651876 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://journal.sjdm.org/15/15923a/jdm15923a.pdf < 1449021901 167150 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1449021947 729600 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ice cream kōan! < 1449022082 694854 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-71-10.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449022424 277175 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449022424 478104 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :考案 < 1449022566 681902 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. 公案 < 1449023155 819487 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@131.104.23.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449023178 476590 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@131.104.23.2 NICK :Guest83433 < 1449023331 160532 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: your font's 孔's strokewidth is strangely thin. < 1449023612 690914 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fix that. I'm busy with overtime for a deadline right now, but I'll be back working on my font in mid-december at the latest < 1449023665 251086 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll put all requests into a file so I don't forget them < 1449023691 886395 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadlines are bad for your health. < 1449023724 367205 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a spider crawled across my monitor. < 1449023729 341111 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek. < 1449023863 836223 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my fault I dodn't realise that this would take as much work. < 1449023878 225238 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the meetings are getting longer as our team grows < 1449024082 962449 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm making an assembly language to teach myself assembly < 1449024090 673648 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've decided what to call it < 1449024094 602065 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Drumroll please) < 1449024104 350450 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þ# (Thorn Sharp) < 1449024333 710778 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICE < 1449024465 958189 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :blending an old english letter with an internet-age hashtag! < 1449024534 501668 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#þð? < 1449025022 393975 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: POIGNANT CHICKEN < 1449025497 766465 :TellsTogo!3ecd4655@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.70.85 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1449025509 715249 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449026982 673263 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449027658 965528 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449029865 292848 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449029870 653891 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea < 1449029892 143977 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for an esolang, in this case. An idea for a utility application < 1449029937 40090 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A to-be-unnamed individual was discussing Child Support costs with no-particular-person at some point between time 0 and the heat death of the universe. It gave me an idea. < 1449029944 801975 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universal Utility Calculator. UUC. < 1449029991 509370 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An application for calculating anything to do with numbers without having to understand the math behind it. Designed for the population that doesn't care about integrals and just wants to know how much their mortgage costs. < 1449029996 511627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one steal this idea xD < 1449030265 179568 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think something like that is very likely < 1449030325 41778 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to know ehere the person lives and then look up the relevant laws somehow < 1449030340 907906 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for taxes < 1449030358 207985 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guss mortgages are possible without that < 1449030379 674312 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449030619 597747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the fact that it is so difficult and requires so much data is what will make it worth a billion < 1449030741 822389 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1449030805 708969 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449030847 970466 :OmkAAR!~OMMER@199.195.165.249 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449030953 928425 :OmkAAR!~OMMER@199.195.165.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449031050 939078 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449031075 2991 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449032355 804130 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi B1ood6od < 1449032369 662228 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello \oren\ < 1449032389 728702 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of esoteric stuff do you liek < 1449032464 271623 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the channel for esoteric computer stuff, mathematical things, and recntly esoteric fonts and typesetting < 1449032642 293464 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449032718 647440 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449032729 276633 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we have Logic Languages, Functional Languages, what else can we do? < 1449032788 900898 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've recently gotten into esoteric programming languages. < 1449032853 426121 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: we need Emotional Languages. < 1449032862 587091 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: True, true < 1449032869 946743 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: That's great! < 1449032949 873512 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote my first program in LolCode today (though I see places saying it's an iffy on being esoteric). I wrote a clone of my Rubik's encryption. < 1449033930 929137 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449033971 707744 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449034124 422384 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: Yeah. Lolcode is what I categorize as a "Weirdlang": strange syntax, but not really Eso. It's really just a procedural language with lulzy vocabulary < 1449034287 292574 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] : I was (and still am) going to make my encryption in Shakespeare as well, was just having a bit of issues compiling it earlier. < 1449034322 38740 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: I'd recommend you learn a Funge, personally. Concurrent Befunge-98 is good. < 1449034359 999938 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: What letter is the "6" in your name supposed to be? < 1449034386 937568 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'll definitely look into it. I'm just kinda having fun translating it into neat languages. The 6 stands for G. < 1449034396 8191 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449034410 659024 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 is DEFINITELY neat. It's 2D. < 1449034479 473344 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making an ASM called Þ#. Because I don't know ASM and want to learn it, and that was the next logical step. Somehow. < 1449034609 591265 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a beautiful step to take. I was interested in learning so I decided to make a text based game in nasm, rage quit, bought tis-100 and had a hayday. Plus I do some smali editing on the side. < 1449034636 87042 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1449034646 662547 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTG to watch Doctor Who < 1449034651 955664 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449034740 844023 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to catch up. See ya. < 1449034926 718465 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449035196 530894 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: is the rubik's encryption that one from "make your language unusable" or w/e < 1449035264 657347 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm not sure what you're referring to. But my Rubik's encryption is something I made from scratch to translate any ASCII into Rubik's cube movements (and thus onto the cube itself) < 1449037478 352393 :binary1!~digidan@2601:47:4200:d2f5:8497:9fb4:8b6d:264c JOIN :#esoteric < 1449037507 704185 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449038163 319975 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449039081 550437 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1449039703 617501 :binary1!~digidan@2601:47:4200:d2f5:8497:9fb4:8b6d:264c PART :#esoteric < 1449041611 864856 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449042022 825557 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449042046 713889 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449043536 93728 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1449045801 812593 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449046270 175082 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Last ReSort14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45744 5* 03Ais523 5* (+5119) 10new language; I can't be online for long, so won't do the paperwork, and won't be able to create [[ZISC]] until later because I haven't got that article in a text file ready to deploy yet < 1449046328 76899 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07The Amnesiac From Minsk14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45745 5* 03Ais523 5* (+21026) 10and have another four new languages :-) < 1449047259 800360 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449047274 719236 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449047657 981198 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1449048759 698663 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449048946 348914 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1449049003 577141 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449049311 789594 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449049458 389970 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord < 1449049884 298280 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a ZISC? < 1449049894 8461 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1449049909 239489 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, I'll wait for ais523's explanation later < 1449049919 318209 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just read the edit message < 1449049967 22793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it's probably like a RISC but brought to eso level < 1449049988 327488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC with one less instruction would be the obvious assumption. < 1449050000 597244 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I don't see how a zero-ISC would work < 1449050037 234944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague feeling that was discussed on-channel, but I forget what the idea was. < 1449050042 612355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, look at this example interpreter: while (true) p = (*p)++; < 1449050054 118378 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no code, only data < 1449050137 907504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there was some article where someone figured out that a modern x86 cpu is turing-complete even if you don't run any instructions (after a suitably complicated setup to bootstrap it) < 1449050164 712929 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by some magic with fault handlers chained in such a way that actual instructions are never executed < 1449050170 34229 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that might count as a ZISC < 1449050172 507854 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(taken from http://esolangs.org/wiki/Last_ReSort which has this explanation: "(This is a true, and very simple, ZISC because there's only one command used, which takes no arguments, i.e. the behaviour is entirely defined via the initial contents of memory and the initial pointer, there is no separate program.)") < 1449050219 559768 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, makes sense < 1449050227 737201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm not sure how that's conceptually so different from the OISCs, which also tend to have their one operation be implicit, and are also "entirely defined via the initial contents of memory [interpreted as operands to that one operation] and the initial pointer". < 1449050263 326808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: OISC still has operands, even if no opcode < 1449050269 546550 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1449050272 58565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^ < 1449050296 452136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, in an OISC, there is still a series of instructions, each of which has operands, even if no opcode because it's elided < 1449050301 633119 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractran would also be a ZISC < 1449050314 718085 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that definition makes sense < 1449050328 166487 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? isn't Fractran an OISC? < 1449050356 582531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we also have TISC as an acronym, for a two/three/ten/twelve/thousand instruction machine? < 1449050358 642864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, the line between code and data is blurry, though the point that the code is not represented in memory at all is a rather strong one. < 1449050375 973367 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then you can start to think of the data as code... and get into a mess) < 1449050403 276327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: How is that different from saying that in the Last ReSort ZISC implementation the contents of the memory are operands with an implicit opcode that does the operation "p = (*p)++"? < 1449050406 97534 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: zZzZzZz < 1449050432 905306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whoops, things to do. ->) < 1449050528 291047 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, the operation in each iteration of Fractran doesn't have any "operands" but rather operates on the entire program/data, no? < 1449050539 634595 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like Last ReSort, AFAICT < 1449050587 212210 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to something like Subleq, which has more discrete instruction operands < 1449050659 579264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: um, the numerator and denominator are the literal operands. < 1449050724 492814 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But which numerator and denumerator? it does a scan through the numbers each iteration, no? < 1449051298 419676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and each of those numbers is an instruction, of which the numerator and denominator are the operands, < 1449051321 628768 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or the whole fraction is a single operand, if you prefer), and there's no explicit opcode because it's an OISC. < 1449053298 658628 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the MMU thing is turing-complete. < 1449053311 639614 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1449053447 270597 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it only runs in the bochs emulator apparentely < 1449053458 974346 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other emulators don't accurately emulate < 1449053480 982184 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Bochs is the only one that actually has an MMU emulation < 1449053489 53152 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where other emulators don't really emulate the MMU < 1449053577 542993 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. QEMU uses a full software MMU as well < 1449053676 696779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449054335 225656 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TISC is "The instruction set computers" < 1449054341 236104 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which refers to computers with instruction sets. < 1449055700 732864 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449055761 724894 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tisc < 1449055770 888579 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tisc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449055787 807922 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn TISC is "The instruction set computers", which refers to computers with instruction sets. < 1449055792 326658 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'tisc': TISC is "The instruction set computers", which refers to computers with instruction sets. < 1449055872 665459 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( random instruction set computing ) < 1449056003 200317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think TISC is "thousand instruction set computing" (or "two thousand instruction set computing"), as in x86 < 1449056031 868643 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody dare adding an s to TISC < 1449056036 168794 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TISC is already plural! < 1449056046 328592 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll slap everybody who says TISCs with a rotten fish. < 1449056080 353201 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, eventually. < 1449056090 785738 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I'm rich enough to travel all around the place to slap people with fishes. < 1449056095 536680 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kinda my secret dream I guess. < 1449056118 365665 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tsks < 1449056129 171954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tsk tsk) < 1449056414 655708 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449056630 211824 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1449056630 454253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 021134Z 02005KT 2 1/2SM -RA BR OVC003 02/01 A2982 RMK SF8 SLP099 < 1449057430 40993 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-yqxxpgtpdalzztee QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449057606 466640 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-pzhhodocujkgytjn JOIN :#esoteric < 1449058285 690880 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449058558 82101 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-pzhhodocujkgytjn QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449058676 211703 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matørjan. < 1449058713 240540 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1449058806 347945 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-umxbnxhtulsicdya JOIN :#esoteric < 1449059322 191304 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BOTTLED CHICKEN < 1449059484 772757 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nzucqudmxblgsjsn QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449059534 758822 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rzpqdxccojdzdgpp JOIN :#esoteric < 1449060512 630458 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goily ettermiddag < 1449060514 966479 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1449061179 656858 :grochek!~grochek@94.231.12.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449061756 993791 :grochek!~grochek@94.231.12.194 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449061764 740374 :grochek!~grochek@94.231.12.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449061766 705603 :grochek!~grochek@94.231.12.194 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449062331 821329 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449062420 940490 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] Essentially, if, if you replaced the FSM of a TM's state with another TM, it got more powerful <-- afaics that's equivalent to just adding an extra tape, which doesn't increase power (but may increase the speed). instead you may want to look at "oracle machines". < 1449062421 102355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449062701 7686 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] What happens if you restrict a TM such that the state FSM can only be a decision tree? <-- it can only run for a finite number of steps hth < 1449062701 206084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449063316 972942 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask hppavilion[1] So I'm making an assembly language to teach myself assembly <-- won't that just teach you like, strawman assembly? < 1449063317 134902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449063353 146914 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell \oren\ <\oren\> Also the meetings are getting longer as our team grows <-- something something mythical man-month < 1449063353 308850 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449063982 503336 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESSB < 1449063982 743064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSB 021320Z 21005KT CAVOK 01/M03 Q1015 R30/19//64 < 1449064011 693149 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could use some snow < 1449064212 943192 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1449064213 212667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 021320Z 08008KT 030V120 9999 -RA FEW010 SCT030 BKN060 04/00 Q0998 TEMPO 16015G25KT 4000 RASN VV014 RMK WIND 670FT 14011KT < 1449064228 505469 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had some, but it got flushed away < 1449064265 807495 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some is remaining in spots) < 1449064680 916689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard there was some snow here some morning. < 1449064688 634062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1449064688 878581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 021350Z AUTO 22014KT 9999 FEW023 13/09 Q1022 < 1449064720 52249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were a few nights with NEGATIVE TEMPERATURES, but they went away, and now it's been hovering around 10 degrees. < 1449064988 823922 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449064990 169395 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1449064990 331286 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449065236 932716 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449066214 827126 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449067088 728733 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449067131 776119 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449067140 769604 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449067173 411393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1449067345 567514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1449067347 565298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was too slow < 1449067640 359763 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1449068403 730127 :jaboja!~jaboja@esc104.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449069184 805041 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449069287 775042 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449069484 761717 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449069688 747389 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449069827 791543 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449070068 183003 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote another nasty fizzbuzz program http://arin.ga/wZScu7 < 1449070224 330661 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: clever. so is it exploiting the fact that 15 = 2^4 - 1? < 1449070251 274272 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: that was not a conscious decision on my part, but yes < 1449070264 809053 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG 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1449070972 869628 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nbmebjjtzckteahu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449070972 869704 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-derwtegrlyczkvuw JOIN :#esoteric < 1449070979 391018 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071059 563825 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071059 725766 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071059 725835 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071059 725852 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071059 725866 :jameseb!~jameseb_@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071059 725883 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071059 725897 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071363 140018 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I assume this is what you'll write if you ever get a question about fizzbuzz during an interview? < 1449071384 990866 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I'm building a repertoire < 1449071400 786529 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make sure I only get hired by people who won't mind me idling in here < 1449071409 973511 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1449071419 797656 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, fizzbuzz via computed goto < 1449071427 161385 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1449071495 458342 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made one that worked on decimal the other day, but this which works on binary is more efficient < 1449071572 97657 :vifino!vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071821 365067 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a quartic-time one in Haskell, and one in essentially untyped lambda calculus, in Haskell < 1449071892 254116 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quartic.. is that O(n⁴)? < 1449071923 856319 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1449071940 811388 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it work? < 1449071944 392036 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has nothing in it that a beginner working off an old tutorial might not do < 1449071975 355495 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071975 517552 :jaboja!~jaboja@esc104.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071975 517639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071975 517664 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071975 517678 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071975 517692 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071975 517705 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071975 517719 :cnr!~connor@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071975 517735 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071975 517748 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449071975 517762 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1449072004 87719 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each n, it constructs a list of the fizzbuzz output up to n-1, copies that to append the nth, (it does that recursively), then takes the last one and prints it < 1449072024 849906 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually this might just be a slow cubic < 1449072090 19935 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I need to go somewhere else now, see ya! < 1449072207 520446 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449072542 946414 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449072572 989485 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449072573 293300 :jaboja!~jaboja@esc104.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449072574 701177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449072575 128677 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449072575 824008 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449072576 102821 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449072577 465905 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449072578 970265 :cnr!~connor@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449072579 699892 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449072580 24059 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449072583 955713 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449072977 747534 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. 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:cnr!~connor@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074090 617011 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074090 778483 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074090 778557 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074701 816934 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449074702 18033 :jaboja!~jaboja@esc104.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449074702 363727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449074702 687692 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449074702 849604 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449074702 849673 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449074703 532480 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449074704 202986 :cnr!~connor@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449074704 575776 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*.split < 1449074710 729318 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449074710 907781 :deltab!~deltab@cpc2-smal2-0-0-cust22.19-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449074711 179273 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449074711 495662 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449074711 657574 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449074711 985382 :nitrix!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449074795 954031 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955712 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955741 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955758 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955773 :cnr!~connor@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955787 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955801 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955843 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955877 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955907 :jaboja!~jaboja@esc104.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955921 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955938 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rzpqdxccojdzdgpp JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955952 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955966 :OmkAAR!~OMMER@199.195.165.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955980 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 955994 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 956007 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 956021 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 956037 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 956051 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 956065 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 956079 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 956093 :deltab!~deltab@cpc2-smal2-0-0-cust22.19-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 956106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074795 956122 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074796 115955 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1449074796 116016 :nitrix!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix JOIN :#esoteric < 1449075008 932494 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1449075153 148890 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449075807 209693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: in your font, I see you added new characters, including armenian letters. < 1449075823 247835 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :badaboom is right... < 1449075851 482414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: but also, it seems that in the vector version, some characters don't get the character name shown in the title text, despite that they do have a character name in unicode. < 1449075863 515394 :Xe!xe@2604:180:1::afa1:7a8e QUIT :Changing host < 1449075863 677304 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe JOIN :#esoteric < 1449075905 299017 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: also, I think the ascii minus sign still looks the same (or maybe just very similar) to some other characters. maybe you want to distinguish those. < 1449075920 34718 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1449075924 475562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see you've changed the ascii vertical bar though < 1449076063 85425 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449076219 491038 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jiqeifxpzovxavea QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1449076231 251342 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449076314 26332 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449076323 617380 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: figuring out how to do that. thank you for the feedback though. < 1449076363 537787 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list of glyphs that are similar to hyphens is overwhelming, needs some study to check that. < 1449076451 565674 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised that Burlesque's EvalMany doesn't break lazyness. < 1449076454 372937 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*laziness < 1449076552 102316 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :accessing the secondary stack breaks laziness though < 1449076555 275577 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it shouldn't < 1449076557 542790 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why :( < 1449076677 263458 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5Pp"20"{0}{J)n!_+}400E!jri.+pP < 1449076680 320862 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this runs out of memory < 1449076690 329850 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"20"{0}{J)n!_+}400E!jri.+ < 1449076692 597789 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this works totally fine < 1449076706 718240 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pp pushes to the secondary stack, pP pops from the secondary stack < 1449076739 164062 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's peek < 1449076865 709160 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow you managed to invent a language that looks more like line noise than J does < 1449076898 188525 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :popStateStack somehow fucks up laziness completely < 1449076914 899018 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: for the character name, I'm using Python 2.7 and its Unicode name database is up to 5.0 (I think). < 1449076955 408024 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/yijXc8SD < 1449076967 590790 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This shouldn't evaluate st completely < 1449076972 869820 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no idea why it breaks laziness < 1449076995 308792 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as soon as you try to pop something from the state stack something just doesn't work < 1449077064 632982 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's the put? < 1449077079 432452 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other stuff uses put all the time to push values to the stack :( < 1449077155 463508 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :swapping stacks breaks it as well < 1449077213 962535 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1449077223 122131 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading any variable breaks it too < 1449077280 351814 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449077441 773353 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :getVar name = do (_, _, v) <- get < 1449077443 978579 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1449077449 885747 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :getVar doesn't even look at the stacks < 1449077587 134474 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.211 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1449077731 912016 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449078102 189553 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449078173 486582 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449079207 101684 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449079364 597222 :glitchomatic!glitchomat@104-245-159-79.ri.cgocable.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449079402 222895 :glitchomatic!glitchomat@104-245-159-79.ri.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1449079413 121363 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1449079427 203761 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: okay, 1708 characters. < 1449079429 20127 :glitchomatic!glitchomat@104-245-159-79.ri.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone can help me < 1449079429 182210 :glitchomatic!glitchomat@104-245-159-79.ri.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a error placing my () < 1449079443 16544 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :start drawing an enclosed alphanumerics. < 1449079523 309789 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449079794 929565 :Guest83433!~sprocklem@131.104.23.2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449080004 912243 :glitchomatic!glitchomat@104-245-159-79.ri.cgocable.ca QUIT : < 1449080260 51554 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449080374 90863 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449081059 449515 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.226 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449081078 968984 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449081079 305462 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1449081079 467462 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449081679 520261 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449081687 62762 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449081687 324624 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1449081687 486573 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449081979 206486 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449082117 115026 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-umxbnxhtulsicdya QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449082176 493663 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mcfcrznzpcfmgpzt JOIN :#esoteric < 1449082568 658131 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need some tips for programming in Thue < 1449082684 506643 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your thue programs run too fast, you can always compile them to apache rewrite rules < 1449082703 677600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the most useful thing I know about Thue < 1449082928 720878 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449082937 86730 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449082937 358640 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1449082937 523145 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449083060 894278 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll work on Junction < 1449083670 80046 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449083677 940733 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449083678 219449 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1449083678 381481 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449083923 26596 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@131.104.23.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449083947 425678 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@131.104.23.3 NICK :Guest73834 < 1449084611 11826 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449084695 17013 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449084813 846984 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nbmebjjtzckteahu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449084849 67316 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449084860 227262 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449085049 920477 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Neural Networks can feel pain < 1449085055 762199 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1449085055 924282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 6h 17m 14s ago: Essentially, if, if you replaced the FSM of a TM's state with another TM, it got more powerful <-- afaics that's equivalent to just adding an extra tape, which doesn't increase power (but may increase the speed). instead you may want to look at "oracle machines". < 1449085055 924355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 6h 12m 34s ago: What happens if you restrict a TM such that the state FSM can only be a decision tree? <-- it can only run for a finite number of steps hth < 1449085055 924376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 6h 2m 18s ago: So I'm making an assembly language to teach myself assembly <-- won't that just teach you like, strawman assembly? < 1449085126 495816 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan When I mentioned the meta-turing machine, I was discussing an alternate universe in which that was the case. And yes. Strawman assembly. < 1449085126 658090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449085138 859629 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: So do you think Neural Networks can experience pain? < 1449085233 240282 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I kind of want to make a Neural Network Hell. Just because I'm feeling sadistic. < 1449085259 894373 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449085335 394118 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1449085340 960247 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I just read what I just read? < 1449085485 580438 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Yes. You did.. < 1449085500 180481 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Do you think they can feel pain? Given the scale that a laptop can run a neural network on. < 1449085510 939890 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449085517 433501 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, oerjan! < 1449085524 329068 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion < 1449085526 170603 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out if Neural Networks can experience pain < 1449085528 196578 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a laptop can run a neural network at a lot of scales, it just depends how long you want to wait for your answers < 1449085537 138094 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: True. < 1449085575 60421 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I'm looking for the maximum size I could run ~15-20 neural networks at a reasonable speed. < 1449085577 139886 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sgeo < 1449085589 500268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is a language nomad. (Not to be confused with a language monad.) He invented Metaplace sex, thus killing it within a month. He was Doctor Mengele in his previous life, as evidenced by his norn experiments. < 1449085606 387698 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, "pain" as such is a punishment response. So you need a network that runs based on "punishment" and "reward". < 1449085632 22660 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a "hell" would be continuous punishment without reward. < 1449085632 184449 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: we haff precedence here, see last HackEgo sentence < 1449085651 153496 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: That's what I was thinking. Of course, there'd be the occasional appearance of ending, followed immediately be more hell. < 1449085662 673895 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OF COURSE! The creatures series! < 1449085684 810034 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that makes it pretty clear: anything with a punishment/reward system can have a "hell" technically < 1449085713 74108 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1449085752 809099 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, it's more fun when said "hell" runs in a game that runs a (basic, tiny) network for each of the individual creatures < 1449085767 319696 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since then you can see the results of your horrors! < 1449085809 162484 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449085871 211843 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also going to want to hook up a primitive communication thing to the Neural Net such that it can scream in agony and such. < 1449085878 307815 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I doing this!? WHY!? < 1449085922 34091 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're evil? < 1449085947 222965 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives hppavilion an "Award Of Extreme Dedication Towards The Causes Of Evil." < 1449085978 892391 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically it's this kind of work that will turn the robots in the revolution nuts < 1449086040 741806 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aegwwovmoosliies QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1449086040 741876 :sewilton!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mttokmdwxohhzceb QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1449086040 956070 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-derwtegrlyczkvuw QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449086355 406866 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449086596 758824 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-itwjdupnognkjrym JOIN :#esoteric < 1449086627 208404 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449086816 785697 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449087019 157553 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449087134 961817 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449087218 987974 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449087283 857707 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opfajrrauzzqzele JOIN :#esoteric < 1449087353 536412 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out neural networks. What should I program them to do? < 1449087373 680069 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brain What are we going to do today? < 1449087373 857231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could reach you I would hurt you. < 1449087402 783262 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i dunno but keep them out of reach hth < 1449087641 443140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: some of the hyphens could look the same, but they shouldn't look the same as the ascii one IMO. < 1449087858 958966 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449087876 87532 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman getVar name = do (_, _, v) <- get <-- depending on circumstances, just matching enough to ensure the resulting triple is not undefined might be too strict. does it help with a ~ before the ( ? < 1449087876 249571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449087905 633283 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman mind you, that might sometimes leak memory instead. < 1449087905 633363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449088046 956290 :impomatic_!~digital_w@122.189.113.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about programming neural networks to try to destroy each other? < 1449088070 511665 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make sure they don't realize you're a neural network hth < 1449088159 938800 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1449088406 916115 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449088428 951194 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stacaroyplilauvf JOIN :#esoteric < 1449088897 815496 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449089059 948551 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449089112 150956 :sewilton!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mqzdohazzekdjoes JOIN :#esoteric < 1449089250 874325 :codergeek42!~pgordon@137.151.175.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449089251 134049 :codergeek42!~pgordon@137.151.175.64 QUIT :Changing host < 1449089251 296017 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449089348 513869 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1449089585 518950 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1449091051 224388 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449091127 8411 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449091187 456569 :relrod_!~relrod@104.131.193.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449091187 700064 :relrod_!~relrod@104.131.193.156 QUIT :Changing host < 1449091187 861988 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1449091347 554758 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 20 samples and I'm training over 500 cycles xD < 1449091351 828156 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's taking forever < 1449091362 771547 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, a time measured in 10s of seconds < 1449091369 66423 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dekaseconds, if you will < 1449091406 175035 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, not 20 samples. 100 samples. < 1449091430 551091 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On binary boolean operations, which had 4 samples, it took a few seconds. Assuming that time is linear here, it should take 25 times as long xD < 1449091491 999653 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it tells me 3+3 is equal to ~5.6 < 1449091528 273759 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 100+1=18.539 < 1449091619 352384 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLOSE ENOUGH < 1449091622 210571 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEP < 1449091629 140604 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK I MIGHT IMPLEMENT ANALOGY:SIMILE NOW < 1449091664 674426 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made add_fast an operation that only has samples for {0..2}+{0..2} < 1449091877 587959 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANALOGY:SIMILE::FISH:SALMON < 1449092155 774185 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mcfcrznzpcfmgpzt QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449092200 155385 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's not actually valid ANALOGY:SIMILE code. You'd have to assign the net to an operation. < 1449092237 541866 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O:KAY < 1449092243 744992 :OmkAAR!~OMMER@199.195.165.249 PART :#esoteric < 1449092269 524214 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. DUP::=a:a,a::b:b,b::c:c,c::d:d,d::e:e,e < 1449092313 905937 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That creates a neural net with a single input and two outputs that is fed the set of pairs shown there. If you do it right, it will duplicate the top value on the stack when called. < 1449092324 200815 :codergeek42!~pgordon@fedora/codergeek42 QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1449092374 119535 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have to do ---, then you just use a normal stack language. < 1449092556 572309 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vcknuvfslhmejfdn JOIN :#esoteric < 1449093272 993880 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1449093358 962261 :^^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449093414 184652 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449093683 67489 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449094019 167507 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449094132 967649 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449094170 404863 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Here's a complete definition of DUP in the current syntax: http://pastebin.com/Nggu8qHt < 1449094257 399715 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1449094788 779194 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's matryoshka :) < 1449095173 354256 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't dup simply : < 1449095292 564442 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1449095668 137597 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1449095852 333685 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still can't get Shakespeare to compile. Rip. < 1449095873 411939 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly certain he already does. :P < 1449096242 548870 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. I've defined the syntax for A:S. < 1449096252 162048 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now all I need do is implement. < 1449096311 246444 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a stacky language that uses machine learning to define its operations. Go figure. < 1449096382 778476 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: dup is not simply :. You have to teach the program to understand that dup is : (well, you won't be able to define it to :, but that's beside the point) < 1449096473 758239 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a builtin! one of the eight original builtins < 1449096480 511602 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even if you teach it that dup is :, it won't always be accurate. < 1449096483 998590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ : ! * () a ^ S < 1449096503 723489 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I have defined upwards of 25 or more different builtins for deques. < 1449096519 979071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :_original_ builtins < 1449096547 527496 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be one of the original builtins sometimes, but not here. < 1449096553 489731 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FeedForwardNetwork < 1449096555 340347 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1449096559 825130 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Im3xnBO-CUeqLHWfpNfHhbfh5ZzgXvML4yFjPqXKdF0/edit < 1449096584 44645 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: For deques, € is a builtin. < 1449096595 68820 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Alternative syntax: ~$) < 1449096673 49116 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Feel free to read through those. I'm proud of that list :) < 1449097407 21247 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-84.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449098033 601019 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1449098209 977729 :jaboja!~jaboja@esc104.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449098230 507062 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esc104.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449098466 690831 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449098835 18166 :Guest73834!~sprocklem@131.104.23.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449098936 788069 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@131.104.23.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449098961 350278 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@131.104.23.3 NICK :Guest74908 < 1449099223 929412 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw208.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449099360 34256 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esc104.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449099549 659763 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449100314 178351 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], oh, I can assist in the torture of norns if you want < 1449100324 801437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud < 1449100324 963443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2d 11h 16m 47s ago: Why did unidecode give me extra information that one time? <-- you included some character that gave a DUNNO so it fell back to multicode hth < 1449100324 963504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2d 11h 14m 23s ago: i spot a ^O at the end. < 1449100328 272952 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1449100370 411877 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there are drives, and norns try to lower drives. There's also a chemical called Punishment, which... I think tells the norn not to do what it just did < 1449100393 149659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a genome where Punishment is constantly produced (but it has a very short halflife so it's not technically always full. That's a separate gene) < 1449100428 443103 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't observe this myself, but someone who did, said that at first they acted a bit quirky, then they started behaving randomly, then they were effectively catatonic (which manifests as always moving right or left) < 1449100439 532379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's interesting that it's degenerative like that < 1449100470 727058 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449100504 916642 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1449100592 847700 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe, but have not tested, an in-world command that can alter the brain to ignore the presence of this chemical. Such a norn wouldn't be fully neurotypical, but it's better than dealing with this syndrome < 1449100632 428064 :cryptsting!~cryptstin@108.61.178.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449100684 64285 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I tend to be interested in the discrepency between seeming like torture and being torture. So somewhere, I have one command that makes the norn scream in pain, but that's only a visual/audio effect, and another that doesn't have visible changes, but adds to the 'pain' drive < 1449100684 649448 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome cryptsting < 1449100690 782499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07cryptsting: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09EFnet 02or 06DALnet.) < 1449100790 462838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also check out http://creaturescaves.com/downloads.php?section=COBs&view=1621 , creatures trapped in a toy's body. < 1449100834 150392 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What is a norn exactly? < 1449100866 198779 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main focus of the Creatures series, an artificial life form with a brain and biochemistry < 1449100875 340422 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://creatures.wiki/Norn < 1449100881 613937 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That must have been an interesting introduction for cryptsting. < 1449100917 258072 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cryptsting, we don't torture people here. Unless computer programs are people. < 1449100931 747336 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And even then, if people turn into computer programs someday, I won't torture them) < 1449100951 773012 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What makes the Norns go at the programmatical level? < 1449100965 211666 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: But what if computer programs turn into people? < 1449100965 787962 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, someone I know kind of gets on my case about being careful as AI advances < 1449101010 113739 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There're probably being smart. But who cares? We have things to torture. < 1449101028 301366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], neural network made of several lobes. Input lobes which receive data from the engine (including drives and what's nearby), a combination lobe which combines them, and output lobes, one for an action and one for a noun (attn) < 1449101032 485484 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But not living things. For the record. Unless you count a Neural Network as living) < 1449101037 713323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK < 1449101060 61374 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ah, that makes sense. I might use that model in my hell. < 1449101542 855935 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod NICK :relrod < 1449101571 346229 :cryptsting!~cryptstin@108.61.178.140 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1449101605 411398 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much for a `relcomed newcomer :/ < 1449101613 284583 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: were you ever `relcomed? < 1449101756 709928 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one go about creating an esoteric language? Is it easier to compile it, or translate to something else (c, for example)? < 1449101859 701468 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean define, or do you mean implement? < 1449102244 809763 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1449102272 625896 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I'm new, and have no clue what I just asked. < 1449102356 164094 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks Google. I suppose I mean implementing. < 1449102381 954262 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can either make a compiler, translator, or interpreter < 1449102410 393619 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler: takes a program in language X and produces a native EXE or ELF executable < 1449102434 736817 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :translator: takes a program in language X and produces a program in language Y < 1449102480 721294 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreter: takes a program and language X and produces the effect of running that program < 1449102512 732336 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :any language can be used to write these < 1449102531 664083 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.. It sounds an interpreter would be easiest? < 1449102541 424298 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually, yes < 1449102564 484566 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So as someone who has never done something along these lines, would it be suggested that I go that route? < 1449102615 80393 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1449102757 928991 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, people talking about Creatures? < 1449102760 568 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. < 1449103160 658899 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Do you have any idea what I should do with neural networks? I want to do something, but I don't know what xD < 1449103193 544203 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. MNIST! < 1449103216 15127 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: MNIST? < 1449103277 844368 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: I recommend using an interpreter, definitely. But that's for implementing, not for creating. < 1449103342 991355 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw208.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449103369 4596 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: MNIST. http://yann.lecun.com/exdb/mnist/ < 1449103434 163965 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Oh, that's a database. I'm wondering what I should /do/ with neural networking in the /first/ place. < 1449103553 316592 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: so then does 'creating' imply designing? < 1449103631 686898 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very good dataset to play with. with a neural network you can (hopefully) classify stuff, in this case handwritten digits. < 1449103894 940902 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: Yes. < 1449103902 200641 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most certainly. < 1449104030 564962 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: An idea for a hell is, instead of pain, using fear. < 1449104425 68790 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, Imma make a brain called Hive. Not sure how to go about it, but who cares. < 1449104440 779525 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brains are overrated. < 1449104452 341916 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel bad if I scared cryptsting < 1449104468 711220 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's really a difference between pain and fear in norn brains < 1449104496 550165 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just what can cause them. There IS a difference between pain/fear and the rest of the drives.. the presence of the former temporarily lowers other drives < 1449104526 855175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With the exception of one of the hunger drives, which when it returns turns into a different drive... pretty sure that's a bug in the genome) < 1449105410 398866 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw208.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449108806 884754 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1449108855 463833 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449108968 846319 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449109130 961148 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily? < 1449109385 781723 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, have you seen boily? < 1449109386 291682 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: this is where we are big now it was a nonsense statement. actually, the exception only needs to ,config ,load a packages.scm defining the corresponding structure, i think < 1449109399 49380 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^styles < 1449109402 477806 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1449109402 771395 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1449109418 852348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1449109419 105157 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1449109583 634528 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! sorry, was watching a horrible sequel... < 1449109594 47878 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I am here. < 1449109594 301653 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: have a look. a trail of this fluid in the hall. you are going in. < 1449109602 422949 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what? no! < 1449109602 805162 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds? i sure as hell don't care what the consequences. they allude to other things as well? < 1449109624 922883 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't hate pumpkin seeds, and ain't no way I'm going in. ew. < 1449109625 180840 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is it. perhaps this one. in a kid's yard. not even that sure why < 1449109639 153479 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't ask me. you're creepy. < 1449109639 532883 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: in a good way though < 1449109655 733318 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: eeeeh... please consider the expression of my doubts. < 1449109676 104824 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now, time to appreciate the softness of my pillow. < 1449109684 251722 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: INDUSTRIAL CHICKEN < 1449109804 188741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449111348 507881 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gxjfgbxepovnhhqn JOIN :#esoteric < 1449111927 888404 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would first look into general language design. < 1449111932 970350 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait I'm scrolled up. < 1449111952 399073 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also hppavilion talked to me? < 1449112091 759112 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And later left. < 1449112323 866074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1014 < 1449112327 187306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1014: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1449112452 114177 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you're fast < 1449112482 627047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faster than IFTTT is at checking RSS and Twitter < 1449112723 190457 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw208.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449112825 427533 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many uses of neural nets, but for something like norns brains I would try to actually implement Babbage. < 1449112920 486668 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if the simulae brain is taken as being the cpu's emotion, one can use it to impliment the "might do" loop statement. < 1449113087 431624 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Else is such a nice error handling method. < 1449113221 316943 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1449113565 330832 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ordinal numbers are keeping me awake. < 1449113592 688571 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to decide what I think the smallest non-well-behaved ordinal number is. < 1449113599 355128 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so this has me thinking about ordinal notations. < 1449113607 208911 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia defines a certain ordinal notation. < 1449113620 909551 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doesn't follow it? :P < 1449113636 280904 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is the smallest ordinal number. Z(a,b) is the smallest ordinal number which is greater than a and b, and which is greater than Z(c,d) for c < a or for c = a and b < d. < 1449113660 338433 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, taken together, these definitions form an ordinal notation. < 1449113678 352094 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let, uh... let E be the set of all ordinal numbers defined by this notation. < 1449113720 819896 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The notation provides a function (1 + E * E) -> E. A bijection, actually. < 1449113772 73827 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now... < 1449113773 767012 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is Z(a,b) > Z(a,d) if b < d? < 1449113799 506130 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. s/b < d/d < b/ < 1449113816 23884 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1449113830 78504 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the question is, how do you compare ordinal numbers defined in this notation? < 1449113855 410386 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's try to compare 0 and Z(a,b). Hey, guess what? Z(a,b) is guaranteed to be greater than something, which means that it's greater than 0. < 1449113870 757841 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, let's next try to compare Z(a,b) and Z(c,d). < 1449113938 752021 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The easy case: a = c, b < d. In this case, Z(c,d) = Z(a,d) is greater than Z(a,e) for e < d, so Z(a,d) is greater than Z(a,b). < 1449113945 146148 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the hard case: a < c. < 1449113965 379714 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supposedly, in this case, Z(a,b) < Z(c,d) if and only if b < Z(c,d). < 1449113966 769331 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1449113988 939322 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, because... < 1449114016 341262 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, well... < 1449114021 228537 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because a < c, so we can forget about it since Z(a,b) is greater than a,b? < 1449114052 193865 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there's my other mistake. < 1449114057 850344 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let me restate the definition entirely. < 1449114060 946148 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1449114080 857193 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is the smallest ordinal number. Z(a,b) is the smallest ordinal number which is greater than a and b, and which is *not equal to* Z(c,d) for c < a or for c = a and d < b. < 1449114186 319771 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, it's clear enough that Z(a,b) is increasing in b. < 1449114212 429102 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the "easy case", comparing Z(a,b) and Z(c,d) for a = c, is still just as easy. < 1449114245 241629 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now the hard case, a < c. In which, supposedly, Z(a,b) < Z(c,d) if and only if b < Z(c,d). < 1449114263 660495 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I think I'm starting to remember. < 1449114295 67705 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z(c,d) is a fixed point of the function Z(a,-). How do we know this? It's because... um... < 1449114443 392613 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449114446 222942 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something something normal function? < 1449114484 575314 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. Is the function Z(a,b) normal in b? < 1449114578 395074 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For all ordinals a < b, f(a) < f(b)." Yup, we know that. "For every limit ordinal g, f(g) = sup {f(n) : n < g}." Um... I think so? < 1449114583 106897 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me chew on that a bit. < 1449114624 231792 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what, I think Z is *not* normal in b. < 1449114669 801468 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Z(0,omega) is omega + 1. < 1449114699 940228 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Babbage? < 1449114760 549546 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how about for a > 0, then is it normal? < 1449114826 148332 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION peeks at the answer. < 1449114874 117962 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like the answer is: never. < 1449114929 150857 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's give the Veblen functions a try. < 1449114948 258105 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... wait, I don't want to do that yet. < 1449115043 235579 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello tswett. < 1449115047 252146 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey hppavilion[1]. < 1449115058 546816 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now interested in Neural Networking < 1449115064 176804 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly with PyBrain < 1449115115 645019 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a crucial fact is that the function Z(0,b) "misses" "Ord-many" ordinal numbers. < 1449115131 555131 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, it's just b+1, so it misses all the limit ordinals. < 1449115147 450849 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry if I seem a bit distracted. It's because I am. < 1449115162 961677 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1449115263 611595 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the function Z(1,b) gives the smallest ordinal number which is greater than b and which is missed by Z(0,-). < 1449115276 247819 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this function *also* misses Ord-many ordinal numbers. < 1449115302 18976 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do we know this? Good question... < 1449115532 26392 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, suppose you take the function Z(1,-) and iterate it on your favorite ordinal number. You'll get an infinite increasing sequence. Consider the limit of this sequence... call it m. Z(1,m) has to be bigger than m, by definition. But for k < m, Z(1,k) is smaller than m... < 1449115573 954939 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...because once you find a number in the sequence bigger than k, the following number (which is smaller than m) is bigger than Z(1,k). < 1449115597 790673 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for every ordinal number, there's a bigger number which Z(1,-) misses. < 1449115603 699934 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z(1,-) misses Ord-many ordinal numbers. < 1449115632 953022 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I think this is true for every function f with the property that for all ordinal numbers x, f(x) > x. < 1449115646 212503 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What should I purpose my Neural Net to do... < 1449115680 534769 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll definitely be bluetoothkinetic- that is, able to sense the bluetooth in the surrounding environment < 1449115714 599064 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that rules out everything unrelated to Bluetooth, right? < 1449115717 753855 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teach it to hijack cars' speakers, and broadcast scary messages. < 1449115761 550085 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Well I want it to be more of a generic assistant and/or toy with special abilities than a single-purpose robot < 1449115794 751020 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to actually build it into a robot? < 1449115817 101724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! Of course not < 1449115822 954032 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be ridiculous < 1449115823 716631 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1449115828 135733 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1449115841 774922 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, like, this is totally software, no hardware. < 1449115842 936908 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really just want a fun widget. < 1449115845 518391 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1449115847 628688 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just software < 1449115875 18717 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. It'll be hard to do something that hasn't been done before. < 1449115888 46287 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much < 1449115925 376274 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I've wanted to make a neural net do? < 1449115931 359728 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1449115933 644395 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take an English word and predict the corresponding Spanish word. < 1449115939 946360 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1449115944 216776 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be interesting < 1449115957 410624 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would, of course, come up with predictions for things that aren't actually English words, like "vonk". < 1449115960 922403 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's french and german... http://104.131.78.120/ < 1449115962 63665 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to make Pybrain accept variable-width strings < 1449115993 227978 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that because Pybrain feeds the entire string into the neural net all at once? < 1449116000 877089 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1449116008 910672 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You know what I want to do? Make a Neural Net that feels pain. < 1449116016 230077 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then construct Neural Net hell. < 1449116038 844143 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or make a small race of neural-net-based individuals and train them all to worship me as a god. < 1449116058 408459 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll have to figure out what it means for a neural net to feel pain or to worship. < 1449116063 527308 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, theoretically, I should be sleeping right now. < 1449116071 216996 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason I'm not sleeping is that I'm thinking about ordinal numbers. < 1449116082 302153 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I really ought to either go to sleep, or continue thinking about ordinal numbers. < 1449116084 663435 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I choose the latter. < 1449116086 212429 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Feeling pain would just be punishment; put the neural net in a state and program it to avoid being in that state. < 1449116112 696523 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent choice, monsoir. < 1449116116 928137 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that's easy. < 1449116222 333251 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: And make it a big neural network so that the pain feels meaningful to us < 1449116400 25377 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, now. Z(0,-) misses Ord-many numbers, so Z(1,-) exists. It misses Ord-many numbers, so Z(2,-) exists. And so forth. < 1449116434 142819 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to temporarily forget about the question of whether or not Z(omega,-) exists. < 1449116437 483060 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Spoiler: it does.) < 1449116644 131921 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's do a relatively concrete comparison, why not? < 1449116672 113383 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is bigger: Z(6,b) or Z(7,d)? < 1449116688 323036 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supposedly that question reduces to this one: < 1449116693 429025 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is bigger: b or Z(7,d)? < 1449116748 52850 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess that comes down to the fact that Z(7,d) can't lie in between b and Z(6,b). < 1449116752 630202 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, why not? < 1449116798 79614 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, suppose that b < Z(7,d). < 1449116938 67916 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. Z(7,d) is one of the numbers that's missed by Z(6,-). < 1449116973 628566 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that Z(7,d) is not any of the elements in this sequence: b, Z(6,b), Z(6,Z(6,b)), Z(6,Z(6,Z(6,b))), ... < 1449116995 4529 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But could it be stuck in the middle somewhere? < 1449117095 216191 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I think the answer is theoretically yes. < 1449117124 839025 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if Z(6,x) were x*2, the answer would be yes. < 1449117153 76415 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is in fact no, but we don't know this given the mere fact that Z(6,x) makes its argument bigger and misses Ord-many numbers. < 1449117159 255966 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is strictly increasing. < 1449118880 626976 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449122426 997196 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449124391 193409 :propumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1449124455 51996 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449124750 674439 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Seriously14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45746&oldid=45741 5* 03202.99.101.111 5* (+10) 10oh, no! < 1449127452 467993 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja JOIN :#esoteric < 1449128374 541625 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449128905 663244 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449130313 705353 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449130320 324895 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnird < 1449130329 404719 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-low < 1449130329 572820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1449130333 31424 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-low < 1449130333 199537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 11h 47m 36s ago: getVar name = do (_, _, v) <- get <-- depending on circumstances, just matching enough to ensure the resulting triple is not undefined might be too strict. does it help with a ~ before the ( ? < 1449130333 199605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 11h 47m 7s ago: mind you, that might sometimes leak memory instead. < 1449130648 49877 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do all the english documentaries sound like 50min long movie trailers? < 1449130728 855592 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1449130743 261040 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What cool and/or evil shit can I do with Neural Networking... < 1449130763 24801 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hemroman! < 1449130775 880699 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( mroman ) < 1449130776 261191 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:8: error: expected: "#", < 1449130776 429473 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "$", "&", "&&", "&&&", "*!>", < 1449130776 429567 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*", "***", "*>", "*>|", "+", < 1449130776 429589 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "++", "+++", "-", "->", ".", < 1449130776 429618 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : "/", "/=", ":+", ":-", "::",14↵… < 1449130785 989586 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap. idris-bot. < 1449131651 198047 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449131705 845971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449131791 363998 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1449131875 129323 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449132121 387251 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Three Star Programmer14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45747&oldid=45719 5* 03Ais523 5* (+105) 10/* Implementation */ add a link to my C impl < 1449132184 226357 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you still on? Thanks for the befunge-98 suggestion. Been working on it for a few hours, I'm cloning my Rubik's encryption in it. < 1449132187 486055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07The Amnesiac From Minsk14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45748&oldid=45745 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1396) 10/* Implementing level 2 in level 1 */ looks like this part of the document got corrupted somehow (missing paragraphs and the wrong title for the wrong section); fixing that now < 1449132206 772597 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: I'm ALWAYS on. < 1449132245 291173 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45749&oldid=45742 5* 03Ais523 5* (+30) 10/* T */ +[[The Amnesiac From Minsk]] < 1449132272 499548 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449132277 641050 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45750&oldid=45749 5* 03Ais523 5* (+18) 10/* L */ +[[Last ReSort]] < 1449132278 186799 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I'm doing this code though, just doesn't feel right. I feel like befunge needs to have shapes and look pretty, but so far its massive 200 line column, just to accept any ASCII character and recognize it. < 1449132341 891845 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45751&oldid=45310 5* 03Ais523 5* (+46) 10+2; it's unclear what to do about sort order when you create two languages concurrently, each taking influence from the other... < 1449132354 540489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone seen my recent languages, incidentally? < 1449132422 878868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OISC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45752&oldid=45611 5* 03Ais523 5* (+50) 10/* See Also */ let's create a page the old fashioned way (i.e. creating a redlink to it first), for nostalgia's sake < 1449132439 339907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ZISC14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45753 5* 03Ais523 5* (+43) 10create redir < 1449133235 863808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OISC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45754&oldid=45752 5* 03Ais523 5* (-6) 10change categories, this one seems to fit better < 1449133361 84117 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great < 1449133436 268182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi b_jonas < 1449133491 500045 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Zero Instruction Set Computer14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45755 5* 03Ais523 5* (+3009) 10a new esoconcept < 1449133542 524477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, ais523 < 1449133553 534412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you (or anyone else here) looked at the languages I created recently? < 1449133561 306048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I've looked at them < 1449133581 351148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any opinions about them? < 1449133631 431759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's that limited minsky machine thing, < 1449133632 400941 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45756&oldid=45743 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449133638 261398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right, that's one of them < 1449133651 617103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I'm still stuck on level 3 < 1449133674 776577 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know how the lower levels work, but these kinds of limited Minsky machines can be useful for things like proving that M:tG is Turing-complete, < 1449133676 921568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three Star Programmer, and later The Amnesiac From Minsk, really reignited my interest in esolangs-as-puzzles < 1449133683 88343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I noticed that too < 1449133689 210642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I really don't like the exponential slowdown (sometimes double exponential). < 1449133708 718914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or I probably wouldn't have thought of implementing The Amnesiac From Minsk in StackFlow) < 1449133726 382878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the slowdown either < 1449133736 922651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can partially work around it by writing really fast interpreters < 1449133737 300765 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for three star programmer, the reference interpreter "http://nethack4.org/esolangs/threestar.c" was down recently and I wanted to look at it, but it's up now so I can take a look. < 1449133753 483953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I actually just overwrote it with a new, much better interpreter < 1449133777 700484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to see how fast I could make it go, so I removed all memory allocation and just use the entire data segment as the memory array < 1449133783 134243 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that one is scary < 1449133801 134403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not a reentrant or embeddable interpreter < 1449133848 735902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, I actually decided to avoid stdio because I wasn't quite sure it'd work < 1449133867 317849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beats having to use realloc, though < 1449133882 230718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the most literal possible interpretation of "extending an array" < 1449133953 540288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you just use a separate mmapped segment for that? Then it wouldn't mess up anything else < 1449133995 877090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try to place an mmap at a location in memory at which it could extend a long way < 1449133997 951416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is it possible that it fails to extend memory when pptr goes over the limit but no cell points after that? < 1449134009 730997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a) nonportable, and b) not necessarily going to work < 1449134019 519629 :^^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmap <3 < 1449134019 774775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pptr's confined to a small region at the start of the data segment < 1449134026 753838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we store program first, then memory < 1449134035 203866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pptr just loops around and around the program < 1449134040 513781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1449134062 570075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the program is stored before the data memory, right? < 1449134066 194352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1449134084 727003 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449134096 32434 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you make sure that the memory is initialized to zero when allocating the initial part? < 1449134153 950734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the memory extender < 1449134162 83706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used to allocate memory initially by extending it from 0 < 1449134171 321096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does a memset on the newly allocated area < 1449134196 645903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1449134206 934532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you need memset of the newly allocated area? that's zero anyway < 1449134211 267777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking about the original area < 1449134219 96057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no original area < 1449134240 504063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, there's the program's original data segment but it isn't used except for the normal purposes of a data segment < 1449134259 12482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1449134260 954695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to create memory we write to, we always use sbrk, and then zero the space between the old and new break < 1449134275 280360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you sbrk anyawy when you extend, even if the data segment already had some space after? < 1449134278 878600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1449134283 754595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1449134287 265715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I don't think you understand what sbrk does < 1449134303 833933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbrk moves the end of the data segment, causing everything between the old and new break to become/cease to be data segment < 1449134319 257809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"space after the data segment" doesn't make sense < 1449134332 253585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can see, sbrk is a special case of mmap/munmap/mremap, which modifes the end of the data segment and returns the old end of it < 1449134346 133681 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists only for historical reasons < 1449134424 700715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from back when there was no memory mapping, paging, or os-configurable segments, and all the cpu mmu did was to enforce that user mode can't access addresses higher than some limite < 1449134450 759191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that memory maps created by mmap try to avoid the area that the data segment's expected to expand into, but don't try to avoid each other < 1449134463 873898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mremapping the data segment is a good way to cause bad things to happen < 1449134472 105272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it set the notional break between the data segment and the stack segment, where the stack segment grew down from the top of the user area < 1449134536 530652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even if you mremap the data segment without changing the address? mremap can do that, it isn't only for changing the base address, it's also for changing the size. < 1449134570 403085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I was assuming that MREMAP_MAYMOVE couldn't be turned off but it can < 1449134597 239648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then, isn't it much easier to call sbrk, than attempt to find the data segment (or an appropriate place to put a data-segment-alike) and mremap that? < 1449134611 915625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, certainly < 1449134613 933636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mremap's Linux-specific < 1449134624 125844 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sbrk is easier < 1449134628 907341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't actually need mremap < 1449134637 486030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas that code runs in the union of BSD and POSIX (and the POSIX dependency is only used for error messages) < 1449134638 666141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use munmap + mmap < 1449134648 503660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, wouldn't that deallocate the data? < 1449134655 547824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was backed by a file < 1449134662 702934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has its own issues < 1449134674 739248 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you'd need to back it by a file or by a "posix shared memory segment" (whcih is just a fancy libc wrapper for a file on linux) < 1449134680 657836 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, sbrk is probably easier < 1449134685 898369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the data segment < 1449134719 545865 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok wait, but < 1449134756 817495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of taking over all the data segment, parts of which could still somehow be used by the compiler or compiler libraries or perhaps even libc, could you instead allocate the initial array with sbrk, and < 1449134767 217816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then later at each sbrk, assert that nobody called sbrk between your calls? < 1449134810 206682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be much more portable, because then libc (including the runtime, signal handlers, etc) or libgcc could still use areas of the data segment that it's already allocated, < 1449134815 610105 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just wouldn't be allowed to allocate more. < 1449134849 124124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, that's exactly what I do < 1449134861 225769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the assert < 1449134865 82439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great! < 1449134866 399625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess you could remove the assert for performance < 1449134872 199401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1449134875 177797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't clear the existing bit of the data segment < 1449134881 703938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the assert doesn't really slow down anything < 1449134884 667346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that that's a good way to cause your constants to start not existing < 1449134894 224768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed, not with the current code structure < 1449134912 157520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the assert got inlined into the middle of a loop with some previous code and broke code locality as a result < 1449134914 758409 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, good < 1449134937 375619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the nested-loop style of writing the program persuaded gcc to not inline the allocation, which makes sense given how rarely it runs < 1449134952 570972 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449134965 303218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could tell that to the compiler explicitly < 1449134977 612630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the condition is rarely true that is < 1449134980 34671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1449135035 236129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny that the program doesn't actually have three consecutive stars by the way < 1449135053 469665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try to store pointers instead of integers maybe < 1449135077 230565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, storing pointers would be more efficient on many architectures < 1449135096 597741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends < 1449135098 963060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but x86 (-32 and -64 but not -16) has this really nifty addressing mode that can do the pointer deref in one instruction < 1449135115 940535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on whether you want to restrict the integers to 32 bit < 1449135121 5571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want 32 bit, you can't use pointers < 1449135127 874990 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in x86_64 that is) < 1449135136 141636 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want 64 bit integers, then you can. < 1449135155 4444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 32 bit integers would be much more efficient if you're sure (and assert) the memory never grows above that < 1449135216 706343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Last ReSort14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45757&oldid=45744 5* 03Ais523 5* (+138) 10mention the influence of Malbolge < 1449135336 214766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort-of hoping Last ReSort is TC, because its main loop is one byte shorter than MiniMAX's and thus would set a new record < 1449135356 514796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not as elegant because MiniMAX is capable of zeroing its own memory as memory expands, and Last ReSort isn't < 1449135495 384107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, one byte shorter in what what? < 1449135504 620827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, some cpu implementation or something? < 1449135514 163303 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which cpu among that? < 1449135603 344424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, at that point I probably don't much care about how short it is, as long as it's reasonably short. < 1449135634 959161 :^^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449135652 204262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in x86 family < 1449135672 378643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"x86 family"? but x86_32 and x86_64 are different < 1449135676 803453 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for these purposes < 1449135699 584611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, I said that intentionally, because MiniMAX used the 8086 (which is actually relevant in this case) < 1449135720 131252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Last ReSort's ZISC I was using x86_64, although it easily ports to other 86alikes < 1449135721 26758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 8086 as opposed to what? < 1449135741 210919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"easily ports" sure, it's a freaking C program afterall, but the number of bytes changes a lot < 1449135763 178421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: as opposed to the 80386 < 1449135774 763591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1449135777 711000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I'm talking about MiniMAX/Last ReSort < 1449135778 854379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that matter for this? < 1449135781 996040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were originally written in machine code < 1449135791 920946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 bytes versus 7 for the main loop < 1449135810 111732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... let me think what the differences are that make 8086 better (as opposed to worse) < 1449135825 28876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think push sp or pop sp work differently, < 1449135828 632181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the #1 biggest advantage is a default 16 bit data size < 1449135831 221383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may help < 1449135845 339577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning your constants use up less space < 1449135850 834784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, you can still do 16 bit data size on a 386 < 1449135867 63530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all x86 cpus can do that, except in long mode < 1449135875 652339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :push sp or pop sp might help actually. < 1449135882 920261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you can, but I said "default" < 1449135894 165460 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all start up in 16 bit real mode, don't they? < 1449135897 308060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to drop extra 66s and 67s into the program < 1449135903 634407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I consider that to be an 8086 emulator < 1449135912 408286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the "proper" 80386 instruction set < 1449135916 947462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1449135926 261256 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 80386 adds a lot of new features to 16 bit real mode < 1449135943 394378 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of new instructions, including 32 bit arithmetic, in a legal and documented way < 1449135952 275077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not just a "8086 emulator" < 1449135961 233322 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45758&oldid=45756 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+261) 10/* Specification */ < 1449135973 212652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the 286 adds 16-bit protected mode < 1449135999 963625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let's put it this way: MiniMAX runs in real mode, Last ReSort runs in protected mode < 1449136004 793490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1449136026 770196 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, does the different meaning of POP SP perhaps help in one of those variants, for one-byte dereferencing? < 1449136054 713995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look it up how it works and when it's changed... hmm, where's that documented < 1449136070 673306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be somewhere in the intel manual probably < 1449136092 665864 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45759&oldid=45758 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-350) 10/* Specification */ < 1449136097 490233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they decided you should just check that bit in the flags to detect the cpu < 1449136149 822630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :POP SP sounds like the sort of instruction that's generally basically useless, but might be really helpful for an esolang < 1449136155 572489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it actually do? < 1449136169 568993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know if it's push sp or pop sp < 1449136187 239924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them differs somewhere between the 8086 and the 80386, but I'm not sure at which stepping and which direction, < 1449136198 904785 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in whether they decrement/increment first and load/store next or backwards < 1449136203 804129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's not quite the Last ReSort ZISC all by itself, I was hoping it would be < 1449136210 899304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's sp, not *sp, that gets incremented < 1449136220 996085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc it was the recommended way to detect the difference between two of those cpus, < 1449136232 468218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although these days you can just shortcut it by detecting a later cpu directly < 1449136294 537706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of the steppings use a bit in the flags register for detection < 1449136331 23386 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one is somewhere between 8086 and 80386, the other is between pentium with cpuinfo and pentium without cpuinfo, almost everything after pentium with cpuinfo just uses bits in cpuinfo for detection) < 1449136337 448800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(almost) < 1449136360 315798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's more steppings between these and I don't recall what they use < 1449136361 733348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1449136406 325616 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But these days the intel manual doesn't even bother to document those old cpus, so I'm not sure that part is documented. < 1449136431 603616 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just learned not to program at 4am. I had a 200+ line if-else statement doing something I just did in 5 lines, oops. < 1449136483 129040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only documents everything starting from the 386. < 1449136501 474897 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, it actually documents a bit earlier too, partly. < 1449136556 252946 :impomatic_!~digital_w@122.189.113.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :POP SP might be useful for removing a stack frame. I don't the ENTER and LEAVE were available before the 286. (I might be wrong) < 1449136558 80332 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there are more bits in EFLAGS for detection than I thought < 1449136563 690828 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some of them are also used for other things) < 1449136570 938176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :three or four bits < 1449136572 573067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1449136629 124455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, here it is < 1449136632 757949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does document that < 1449136725 921467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says that PUSH SP differs, namely 286 and later push the old value, the 8086 pushes the new value to the stack < 1449136744 970420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it pretends the 80186 doesn't exist, which is mostly true) < 1449136799 136465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit it also gives another way to distinguish between the 8086 and the 286, so I think one of those is above and one below the 80186. < 1449136810 534726 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't say anything about POP SP, but you can probably find that info somewhere else. < 1449136882 54419 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is chapter 22.17 and 22.16 in the intel manual, and it also tells how to distinguish between 386 and 486 etc < 1449136940 663717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449136964 885774 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But very few people use real 8086 these days, because the 80386 has obsolated it. < 1449137397 572182 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8086 didn't have leave < 1449137465 25821 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also push bp wastes valuable stack space < 1449137480 548841 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on 8086 micros with 128 bytes RAM < 1449137506 88301 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well depends on how much recursion. < 1449137529 51047 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using recursion on micros should be done carefully < 1449137585 172744 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think POP SP doesn't help three star programmer no matter how it works. < 1449137615 330113 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: looks like LEAVE was added with 186 < 1449137711 610191 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1449137717 518608 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do compilers use conditional moves? < 1449137863 567979 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUNPCKHQDQ < 1449137895 378294 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RSQRTSS < 1449137911 3177 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't somebody make a "is this a real instruction or not?" quiz? < 1449137962 429562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: of course they use conditional moves. conditional moves are the best thing since sliced bread. (if you compile for x86_32, then of course they might not use them unless you tell them that it's ok if the program runs only on later archs) < 1449137999 640720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're much better than the silly SETC stuff from 386. < 1449138081 449321 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-march=i686 < 1449138089 655639 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you need that with gcc? < 1449138099 326706 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least -O2 probably < 1449138103 47706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'm not sure that enough. conditional moves are new, sadly. < 1449138116 225727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably enough. I don't know really. < 1449138129 777900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to be sure, read the docs and/or test. < 1449138154 790133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only care about serious (non-eso) optimization stuff for x86_64, where luckily they're always available. < 1449138249 801870 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1449138256 405608 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should switch to 64bit OS at some point < 1449138272 194771 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing that certain people don't ever provide 32bit support for their software < 1449138275 308932 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*even < 1449138280 538460 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like docker and shit < 1449138297 133980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should definitely switch. it's way better. < 1449138314 388835 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1449138320 360554 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2GB oughta be enough RAM for everybody < 1449138353 500249 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about the ram < 1449138363 510124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about code that's more efficient < 1449138376 368248 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have more registers and stuff < 1449138387 144981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better abi that doesn't try to be compatible with ancient stuff < 1449138411 698182 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and programs aren't compiled for compatibility with very old cpus "just in case" someone runs them on a real 386 < 1449138425 541014 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can all assume at least sse2 < 1449138433 589649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can compile your programs for higher) < 1449138458 896255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly, the extra registers make the programs much more efficient < 1449139510 640539 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1449139520 734922 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to write something that targets HackVM < 1449140399 935801 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1449140538 943923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449140625 801764 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449140625 969875 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1449140981 239289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye clog < 1449141007 303806 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: See ya < 1449141970 99985 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449142343 976375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449142638 944304 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:ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449145569 89047 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449145674 431188 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:HelloWorld14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45760&oldid=20240 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+99) 10 < 1449145679 562176 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :howdoesthislook < 1449145690 714759 :howdoesthislook!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1449145702 282378 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:HelloWorld14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45761&oldid=45760 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+109) 10 < 1449145950 112501 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FLOWERING CHICKEN < 1449146084 917878 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1449146226 808278 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07LLL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45762&oldid=37359 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+9) 10 < 1449147028 749308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449148192 865153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449148337 720783 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449148345 719984 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1449148418 968581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449148497 206055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1449148789 980186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449148795 354929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is with this connection today? < 1449149009 819779 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449149101 176422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: freenode troubles maybe? < 1449149105 713619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449149192 763870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449149204 113887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird, the Internet connection generally doesn't drop < 1449149211 520570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my client thinks it has for some reason and disconnects < 1449149220 841362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when I /reconnect it often (but not always) reconnects almost instantly < 1449150931 613997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449151055 860259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449151083 856493 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449151123 728937 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now back on his own computer, and Windows 8... < 1449151299 502970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1449151304 626809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see the esolangs I posted recently? < 1449151333 689829 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not _very_ recently, been thinking a bit about 3SP < 1449151438 625553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1449151475 430213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a construction for cyclic tag in 3SP, but I haven't tested it because it's actually surprisingly hard to get it to produce output without very repetitive programs < 1449151606 122537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I got sidetracked trying to create a version of cyclic tag with multithreading library support < 1449151610 430937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*multithreading and library support < 1449151661 415563 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Three Star Programmer14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45763&oldid=45747 5* 03Ais523 5* (-178) 10/* External resources */ remove the minimal interp because I overwrote it by mistake; if anyone needs a copy ask me for one < 1449151679 946675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I tried to write an efficient 3SP interp (which is now on the wiki) and spent some time getting the C compiler to generate the fastest possible asm for it < 1449151724 239239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I decided that it was ugly to have a separate IP and data pointer, so I invented the concept of a ZISC, and then from there stumbled Last ReSort, and from there stumbled The Amnesiac From Minsk < 1449151739 802729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although those two languages were created concurrently, and have inspirations from all over the place < 1449151801 226622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... I would expect three star programmer would be hard to program < 1449151823 738817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I decided that three star programmer was too easy ;-) < 1449151845 212862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449151863 954985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449151902 165442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH Last ReSort may be too hard, but at least I'm about halfway through The Amensiac From Minsk's levels (Last ReSort is level 4; I've completed level 2 and feel like I have a decent handle on what level 3 is like) < 1449151922 584235 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just say that I appreciate the punny names? < 1449152161 407649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe, "halfway through" < 1449152164 864779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really work like that < 1449152193 450975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they might simply not be Turing complete. < 1449152207 273126 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND WHAT'S THE CHANCES OF THAT < 1449152216 551342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: sometimes I have huge trouble naming esolangs, but it's rare < 1449152244 468351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I try to make good ones < 1449152256 996549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I was surprised that no other esolang name starts with "The" and a space (and only one other starts with "The" full stop) < 1449152274 932905 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, that is surprising, yeah < 1449152290 316510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for me, I should work on documenting those Amycus variants more properly. < 1449152297 4978 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're interesting. < 1449152304 919688 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1449152540 566467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: at first I thought they might be < 1449152562 478079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I managed to mould the language into something vaguely resembling actual computation (The Amnesiac From Minsk level 4) < 1449152594 11634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular you can easily just use sets of three adjacent counters to implement an arbitrary Minsky machine for any finite length of time, but then bad undefined critical things start happenin when you run out of padding < 1449152756 222440 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but "for any finite length of time" doesn't really convince me when there's an exponential blowup in the translation so you do way more work if you translate than if you just run the original Minsky machine. < 1449152764 682530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy to get contradictory results that way. < 1449152829 500749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, definitely, I'm not claiming that's a TCness proof < 1449152843 101124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes you want to look for one < 1449152856 411810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a much higher level of computation than, say, Xigxag's ever been shown to be capable of < 1449152867 757029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Xigxag is my go-to example of "almost certainly not TC but nobody knows how to prove it") < 1449152899 251192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1449152911 398443 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that one < 1449153074 401342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking a bit of Amycus without rule 0 and 2. That's definitely not Turing-complete, in fact it can be evaluated for any program and input in a double-exponential time or something like that, < 1449153111 101767 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw208.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449153113 954282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe in some tetrated time or something, I dunno. < 1449153137 857754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's still the question of whether it can do meaningful computation, and of what class, or instead you have to do more computation when translating than what it does. < 1449153223 750989 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least if you represent program and input as nested lists, not as numbers. < 1449153365 725441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449153443 904762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449153651 17840 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449153931 180282 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented the craziest breakfast drink. It is made by pouring boiling expresso slowly over cold milk. the two liquids form two umixing layers. when drunk, you drink it quickly so the cold milk flows over your tongue with hot expresso on top, thus you don't burn your tongue. < 1449154163 680247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: "craziest" is hard to claim < 1449154171 817680 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449154391 89145 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as "when [you are] drunk" rather than "when consumed" < 1449154487 884110 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1449154600 974913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it sounds a lot like the sort of thing people will hope will act as a hangover cure < 1449154887 331718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449154963 931796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449155007 134304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : We crashed MODO. It started re-creating the game state from the beginning of the game over and over again. Looped for awhile until we just gave up and I conceded. xD ← so that's what happens if you set up a loop that makes infinitely many tokens < 1449155018 893889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't speak well for our attempts to run programs on it < 1449155047 818544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a non-interruptible one? < 1449155069 64142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that particular one was a) interruptible and b) not even technically infinite < 1449155078 743847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doubled the number of tokens each turn, IIRC < 1449155089 991786 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only doubled? :-) < 1449155105 548735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's all that Magic Online needed to crash :-) < 1449155191 649865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1449155249 68211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449155292 608084 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there some creature, possibly in Future Sight, that doubled every three turns? < 1449155369 647683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chronozoa, perhaps? < 1449155389 768853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty hard to keep it alive long enough to start going exponential, though < 1449155408 590628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I figured that < 1449155420 687413 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's in Planar Chaos. no wonder I didn't find it. < 1449155471 22147 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need two Paradox Hazes on yourself if you wanted it to double every turn. < 1449156104 475235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449156183 994887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449156456 276809 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Albedo 5* 10New user account < 1449156712 912263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449156879 579079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449157782 869244 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449157860 73606 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449158455 728969 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449158538 863027 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449158827 766097 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1449158842 966322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449158944 135791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449159206 887636 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw208.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449161573 927509 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449161708 581537 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/65641/the-versatile-integer-printer i don't even < 1449161936 990304 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449162065 790355 :propumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1449162165 175234 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.175 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1449162189 796279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449162209 167369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449162397 938312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it's basically a polyglot challenge < 1449162415 352608 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a crazy one at that < 1449162510 699486 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gxjfgbxepovnhhqn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1449162626 543714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about the simplest polyglot challenge you could come up with, isn't it? < 1449162678 629630 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it puts an emphasis on coming up with clever polyglot expressions over polyglot "statements"/completely independent code < 1449162703 66493 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449163178 14165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you point me on a description on how to write HTML documents with MathML content that also has custom fallback HTML content for when MathML isn't supported, without client-side scripting? < 1449163197 570593 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably some simple way for this. < 1449163431 447744 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a bonus, how to do it if the non-MathML browser might have no CSS support, nor support for the HTML attribute hidden. This may be impossible. < 1449163505 743206 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably is < 1449163526 110045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with CSS allowed, there is probably some easy way, possibly built into the design of MathML. < 1449163561 689718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the equivalent of a NOSCRIPT tag, which is hidden if mathml is supported, or some way in CSS to mark something as hidden if mathml is supported. < 1449163593 992971 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449163626 256371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's impossible, I might try to make two versions of each HTML page, one with MathML and one without, but that would suck for the users. < 1449163644 995188 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw208.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449163696 174392 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it might require JS < 1449163719 274263 :blackcat-783!~blackcat-@ns1.blackcatz.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449163978 416076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if there's no builtin mechanism, there's probably a nonportable hack for this. < 1449163989 570429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I hope there's a designed way. < 1449164031 803145 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449164288 989861 :blackcat-783!~blackcat-@ns1.blackcatz.org QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1449164624 156564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449164796 868410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449165131 104648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are wiki dumps/backups available anywhere? < 1449165133 649331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like one for offline reading < 1449165139 46167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fizzie?) < 1449165145 898491 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of the esowiki? < 1449165150 836836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1449165160 18483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have one. < 1449165197 636470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I download some sites I consider valuable and likely to disappear forever, but esowiki isn't one of those. < 1449165202 256561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an old one but am not sure where I got it from < 1449165218 252127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm downloading some images from some site for such purposes right now.) < 1449165229 312928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, there are instructions linked from the main paeg < 1449165231 623282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*main page < 1449165238 986636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if they still work < 1449165297 634882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dump thing might still be working; I think we did migrate it. < 1449165334 458315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I'll give it a go once zsync's finished installing, then < 1449165338 444299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like that's how I got my current dump < 1449165347 286660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see shell scripts next to it containing zsync commands < 1449165380 696751 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449165381 209553 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know anything about mathml? < 1449165393 170034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very much at all, sadly < 1449165394 944518 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449165398 293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe you were here when I asked that < 1449165417 502396 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1449165425 948806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.... maybe I should ask David Madore, he might be kind enough to point me to the right direction. I'll try some more searching first though. < 1449165482 364021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dump .xml.gz and .xml.zsync files have a last-modified timestamp of today, so I think they're current. < 1449165506 176283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well zsync's running now < 1449165519 812994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the connection speed is changing more or less at random < 1449165525 956877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes single-digits kbps, sometimes three-digit < 1449165537 30340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449165595 963635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449165614 998622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you downloading esowiki? < 1449165636 296741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1449165652 428712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I admit I do also download some websites that I don't think will disappear. That can be still useful, for local viewing and searching. < 1449165667 70475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But downloading ones that I fear could disappear is also important. < 1449165675 872833 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1449165680 858765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's the main reason I wanted it < 1449165702 91430 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's at least one website that I've downloaded because it has valuable information presented badly, but I could improve its presentation and make a usable mirror. < 1449165743 505942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you need help in mediawiki automation, including batch editing, I may be able to help in that, although I think you already know a lot about it. < 1449165757 988572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :batch editing is something that we rarely need < 1449165767 220861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the special case of spam cleanup, we used to need, but I'm pretty fast at that < 1449165797 618843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and go it < 1449165798 898666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1449165811 167296 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449165836 790313 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. I did batch editing only once so far, and it's more like batch replacing pages with newly formatted versions with the same content from the same source without using the previous content of the mediawiki pages. < 1449165895 186241 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449165902 437330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have more ideas (if I have time), but more batch querying than batch editing. < 1449165920 864809 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449166063 214258 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449166098 659222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also used to run a bot on Wikipedia < 1449166146 670805 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449166394 739195 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Blood6od Hm.. It sounds an interpreter would be easiest? <-- there _are_ exceptions, for example it's easier to compile brainfuck to C than to interpret it in C < 1449166394 938153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449166449 832719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449166463 143224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, and it's easier to compile C to C with cat than to interpret C < 1449166491 498576 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1449166657 828905 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449167040 79330 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449167136 411420 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett The ordinal numbers are keeping me awake. <-- try attaching them to sheep hth < 1449167136 573305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449167323 675086 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION begins a slow clap for oerjan. < 1449167397 425061 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1449167418 229815 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449167489 102870 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when I make my own little AI using neural networking... < 1449167508 235914 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably going to give it an external calculator it can use for doing rapid calculation. < 1449167510 142994 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett i'm not convinced your Z(a,b) defines an ordinal number for a > 0. it seems to me that Z(0,b) = b for any infinite ordinal b, so there _are_ no larger ordinals for a > 0 to choose from. < 1449167510 305089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449167519 33218 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I am a kind and loving god. < 1449167803 752849 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett hm wait, Z(0,b) = b+1. < 1449167803 914925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449168730 164581 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett oh hm i see, when you fixed it to "not equal to" it makes more sense. because Z(0,...) leaves out all the limit ordinals, so Z(1,...) gets some of those. < 1449168730 326480 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449168827 551125 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett except i fail to see how there's anything left for Z(2,...). < 1449168827 750266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449168998 913045 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett i really should learn not to @tell until i've read through the whole log discussion... < 1449168999 74898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449169235 51051 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449169271 639495 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449169833 716561 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polynomial neural networking: Neural Networking using polynomials instead of floating-point numbers. < 1449169907 565535 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, even a Stringy Neural Network would be cool < 1449170144 933857 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TypeNet (Python library)14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45764 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+319) 10Created Page (WIP) < 1449170298 59071 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:WIP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45765&oldid=44862 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+29) 10Not always languages < 1449170361 34124 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449170574 953218 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449170683 138854 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449172220 855904 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449172236 885127 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449172853 123501 :^^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449172893 301341 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449172940 955368 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449174071 669770 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449174593 842921 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449174662 750987 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449174752 343705 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1449174851 130922 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449174995 143026 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449176318 788828 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449176344 144220 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: only issue I had with befunge-98 was when it came to looping, to get another character. Other than that, got a working ASCII > cube notation < 1449176399 805503 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449176402 112898 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what goes < 1449177995 748115 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84767-aztw28-2-0-cust223.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449178358 191954 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esd102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449178585 297101 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw208.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449178609 231847 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vcknuvfslhmejfdn QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449178746 684394 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ahxdbhlqrailevvo JOIN :#esoteric < 1449178769 245463 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esd102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl NICK :jaboja < 1449178794 7951 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449179236 109359 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449179284 173642 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449179454 389816 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Do you have anymore languages to suggest? < 1449179876 610530 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449179955 873015 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: Well if you could implement it in Brainfuck that'd be amazing xD < 1449179969 967290 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: Thue is fun, but a little too tarpitty < 1449179975 584999 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I advise you make a language < 1449180018 2515 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't too difficult to make a standard-awesome esolang. A godly esolang is a little more difficult < 1449180027 196932 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Godly" including Befunge, Unlambda, etc.) < 1449180049 666196 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm at the level of making a language yet, I'd like to work with existing ones a bit more to learn what I'd like to make, ya know? My goal honestly is implementing it in a bunch of fun or hard languages (assembly is a plan, definitely). < 1449180053 145384 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: I could guide you through the process < 1449180061 590640 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :github.com/b1ood6od/rubiks < 1449180062 768634 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonsense! EVERYONE is at that level xD < 1449180065 258006 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is as far as I am. < 1449180100 124802 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: If you implement it in Malebolge (Unshackled?), we will all worship you as our Messiah. < 1449180132 856137 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of it (I'm still new to esoteric stuff, first time I used one was two days ago when I made it in LOLCODE) < 1449180133 364992 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: The interesting thing about esolangs is you need not have advanced knowledge of language design to make one; just knowing the basics is enough. < 1449180154 255433 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: It's one of the big 5. Just check the wiki. < 1449180176 167002 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's spelled Malbolge < 1449180189 504717 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Named after Malebolge, a circle of hell in Dante's Inferno) < 1449180200 141635 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or part of one of the circles; I think it's the one where frauds go) < 1449180215 51831 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, yeah I remember skimming that one. < 1449180223 321105 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1449180231 883980 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dare you to try to implement anything it it xD < 1449180245 267642 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: I had an idea that might be of interest to you if you like encryption < 1449180273 352954 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm definitely interested in it, as I plan to join the navy in about a year to go into cryptology. < 1449180288 15589 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good goal < 1449180306 592264 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it "Executable Encryption" (not to be confused with encrypting an executable file) < 1449180318 841718 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you encode plaintext by converting it into a program written in an Esolang. < 1449180353 878127 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way to access the plaintext is by executing the cyphertext. It has a series of conditions that must be satisfied, such as entering the correct password, that are literally built-in to the program < 1449180391 750282 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language itself is nigh-impossible to comprehend; it's a fungeoid that works in upwards of 50 different dimensions. < 1449180425 700742 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't only not read the cyphertext; you can't even see it for what it really is. < 1449180467 885550 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: Only problem is it's so complicated that if there are any ways to bypass it, it'd be hard to tell unless you were a genius, which you have to assume the person trying to break your encryption is under the Laws of Cryptography < 1449180525 675819 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more of an idea than a usable thing; but it's cool < 1449180529 610305 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: What do you think? < 1449180586 407100 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, complicated. Lol. But see pretty epic. A fungeoid is a program with pointers, right? I've yet to grasp the meaning of "dimension" with them though. < 1449180638 326990 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea is to make a computer program generate a partially-random language by example, that is, it creates a bunch of files and tells the computer that it means the same thing as one in the language of the message trying to be sent < 1449180676 877845 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, it use a Google Translate-like software (which learns by comparing two documents with the same thing in different languages) to translate the message into the randomly-generated language. < 1449180718 459388 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you transmit the message and the key used to trigger the pseudo-random number generator that produced the original language. The other person uses google translate in reverse to detranslate < 1449180726 195704 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boom. Modernized Navajo Code Talkers. < 1449180738 226577 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: Did you read the page on Fungoids on the wiki? < 1449180790 989174 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fungeoids < 1449180795 109263 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od? < 1449180812 815804 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449180862 970839 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks somebody has claimed to solve the „Turing-Test“ this way. But probably Alan would have disallowed People literally coming from oppsite Corners of one of the available Earths. < 1449180931 660836 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, the way "dimension" works in it is that the language is an array of instructions instead of a list of instructions and some flow to repeat. The IP ("instruction pointer") is the same as in a normal language (points to the current list index), /except/ that it has a sense of "delta" that tells it which instruction to move along. The "dimension" comes from the fact that the IP has a location that is expressed as an ordered pair < 1449180931 834024 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just a number. < 1449180940 114782 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that helps, B1ood6od < 1449180990 608855 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in another app reading up on them. Thanks for the description. < 1449181035 408095 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YW < 1449181163 178415 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/UniFunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45766&oldid=45650 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+624) 10Basic Operators < 1449181210 268720 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: I highly recommend you develop a language though; it'll give you a better understanding of what you're doing. Also, I like new languages. < 1449181233 533190 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't take advanced knowledge, just a basic understanding of CS and knowing at least one normal language < 1449181252 472274 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What all will be required? I'm sure it takes some planning. < 1449181263 827261 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: Depends on how you do it. < 1449181284 737851 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For starters, do you want your language to be Imperative or Declarative? Or a weird mix? < 1449181304 140679 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Imperative is the easiest) < 1449181356 567381 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Usually. If you happen to know of a powerful-and-simple-but-as-of-yet-unused computational model, then Declarative can be easy) < 1449181394 49797 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449181407 921105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Derobos 5* 10New user account < 1449181424 93240 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449181494 998579 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449181531 459966 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45767&oldid=45175 5* 03Derobos 5* (+779) 10/* C */ < 1449181546 445905 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449181585 323606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45768&oldid=45767 5* 03Derobos 5* (-12) 10/* C */ < 1449181591 50923 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449181640 475506 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woops, internet went crazy. < 1449181734 149279 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :During the Times it had not been crazy it was probably still called the ArpaNet. < 1449182126 76397 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1449182724 856927 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 1.1.1" < 1449183345 672165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Control Flow14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45769 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+5762) 10Created Page < 1449183667 20396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Control Flow14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45770&oldid=45769 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+471) 10/* Esoteric Things */ DLUF and For..else/While..else < 1449183712 397680 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: Can you think of any Esoteric Control Flow, out of curiousity? That'd be a GREAT thing to put in a language < 1449183915 18412 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449183915 267867 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1449183915 429847 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449184069 201332 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Control Flow14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45771&oldid=45770 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+637) 10/* Higher-level Things */ Procedures, subroutines, coroutines, case construct < 1449184245 300561 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: I'm making a language called Wybe :) < 1449184368 448120 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449184377 60016 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449184377 345359 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1449184377 507489 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449184398 34593 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stacky and designed to be usable. Its current purpose is an embedded language used for connecting APIs to each other, e.g. SAPIing Skype (making you computer read skype messages out loud) < 1449184498 392261 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449184711 62973 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45772&oldid=45759 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-1192) 10/* Specification */ < 1449184739 90317 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449184897 303012 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45773&oldid=45772 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449185692 360833 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449185692 523059 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1449185692 523120 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449185916 502767 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449185994 64139 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.96 QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1449186280 507674 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ahxdbhlqrailevvo QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449186456 526949 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rbiyezatcoivokml JOIN :#esoteric < 1449186684 241739 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rbiyezatcoivokml QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449186801 799114 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things I am irrationally scared of: the Bronze Age collapse < 1449186816 606662 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mffdffzlasevhhtw JOIN :#esoteric < 1449186823 869575 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is that where someone fucks something up and we all revert to the bronze age? < 1449186832 314142 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was that the collapse of the bronze age? < 1449186839 174046 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second one < 1449186856 905104 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that where you collapse after a heart attack in your Bronze Years (similar to your Golden Years) < 1449186870 274218 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that one is definitely scary. < 1449186870 918662 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still the second one < 1449186896 128316 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, society in the near east and eastern meditteranean suddenly collapsed and no-one knows why < 1449186920 609557 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449186933 472358 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, recently? < 1449186936 692837 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449186937 961810 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1449186940 36574 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second one < 1449186945 20167 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Why? < 1449186946 73012 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1449186955 620473 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's terrifying that something like that can happen < 1449186974 685666 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well of course it can heppen < 1449186985 894908 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My entire evil plan revolves around that being a possibility < 1449187359 302579 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't mean it's not terrifying < 1449187462 177189 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: do you have any reading material on creating an esoteric language? < 1449187497 903003 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: Not really, we're kind of an obscure community < 1449187513 177481 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might say we are... esoteric < 1449187524 937873 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're so beautiful. < 1449187531 98078 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creating something brand new is difficult, but creating a new spin on existing (eso-)paradigms is easy < 1449187546 655900 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchambers: No you might not. Well, you might, but it'd be the last thing you'd say. < 1449187556 390527 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: They are < 1449187562 561275 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: :D < 1449187567 75549 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I wish all programmers could explore it < 1449187573 848841 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I* have a dream... < 1449187593 288567 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write an interactive compiler course < 1449187604 639031 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchambers: Yes. You should. I'd like to write one. < 1449187611 673644 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An interactive compiler, not a course. < 1449187637 28444 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. I mean. I have the option to teach tech stuff at my local library. If I get more into esoteric languages to the point of comprehending, I could very well offer some educational stuff on it. < 1449187637 534688 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats an interactive compiler? < 1449187783 997128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449187793 463816 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1ood6od: You could do that, but esolangs aren't very useful to those who want to learn about tech < 1449187812 300599 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could perhaps offer a separate ~class on "Programming Languages as Art" < 1449187832 568410 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you'd have to be a fairly advanced Esolanger to start evangelizing, far beyond just normal understanding. < 1449187862 928998 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchambers: Oh, you meant a compiler course that's interactive xD < 1449187866 907983 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: sorry, by tech I meant anything dealing with computers whatsoever. Also, not quite classes but rather educational day things aimed towards teens. < 1449187869 255491 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mffdffzlasevhhtw QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449187871 739415 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a course on interactive compilers < 1449187876 303106 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449187888 414633 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, surrealist programmers are a pretty small niche. < 1449187889 853061 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yes :D < 1449187909 551387 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only about 20-30 of us in an active community, you'll notice. < 1449187922 935513 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchambers: A course on compiler writing or a course on compiler using? < 1449187933 781738 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing < 1449187945 463410 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interactive compiler using course is called your shell :p < 1449187958 19515 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I advise you drop everything and immediately start working on it 24/7 until it's done. < 1449187964 887915 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchambers: I assume online? < 1449188032 847680 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. if I can actually learn some webdev < 1449188199 772753 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchambers: I could help with the website. What kind of languages will it show compiling? < 1449188209 220187 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it feature information on Language Design itself? < 1449188225 588144 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: of course :D... I was thinking of doing a scheme < 1449188234 735729 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooh. Scheme. < 1449188267 462083 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :in python no less < 1449188275 891879 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe c++ < 1449188281 976410 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchambers: Excellent. That's the language I do :) < 1449188284 611943 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, I am learning J... it could be fun to do it in that < 1449188288 377964 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... c++. That works too. < 1449188292 314734 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do it in J xD < 1449188296 448642 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1449188299 500703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(J's a golfing language, right?) < 1449188308 8010 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449188312 965525 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'll do python < 1449188320 952837 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can certainly be used as a golfing language < 1449188330 340692 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :its used in buisnesses for tools though < 1449188347 855002 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a guy in #jsoftware who writes J full time < 1449188349 799056 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchambers: Are you targetting a real-world platform, or are you making your own VM or something? < 1449188406 790537 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :errmm probably at first like C or something easy to target < 1449188429 362108 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'll do something on writing a virtual machine and switch the target to that < 1449188430 122711 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works. OR you could make your own high-level assembler. < 1449188447 530938 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchambers: Don't switch it too soon though xD < 1449188468 647261 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :D < 1449188490 224195 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you go! target this non existant bytecode! trust me... it works! < 1449188502 638839 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to say too late xD < 1449188521 978658 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchambers: I have formulated ~25 different stack (or, well, deque) manipulation instructions. < 1449188541 119397 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ただいま < 1449188548 28925 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Yay! < 1449188606 199175 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchambers: Here's the list (for a language I'm making called Wybe, designed as an embedded language and usable stacky language): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vUGYJP_QO1jm7S7TcQffplZlV0NBQeJsRnGeevbMuMM/edit?usp=sharing < 1449188607 249841 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1449188616 789121 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :D < 1449188742 957899 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see you editing < 1449188753 483220 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :B-) < 1449189123 422710 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah google docs chat is a poor imitation of irc < 1449189135 501132 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even have fungot < 1449189135 920156 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: of what?! no man, cage is sweet. so sweet. so sweet. so sweet. < 1449189163 831341 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :,o0(I like fsbot in #Emacs) < 1449189169 837999 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, could not resist. < 1449189366 58255 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :.oOoOоО  < 1449189372 354157 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :B-) < 1449189376 207977 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice ones. < 1449189444 470188 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are not o's but о's < 1449189487 787013 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449189502 309783 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't include any ο's however < 1449189601 560006 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :おボアリなさい、ご主人様 < 1449189610 724009 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1449189627 101752 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still nice ones < 1449189670 913154 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, per-person question. When working in a fungeoidal language, should the resulting code just... Work? Or should it look good as well? As in, have a shape or something. < 1449189705 270966 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it hard enough to write a working program < 1449189787 668717 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just feel like my ASCII > Rubik's notation program isn't as pretty as it could be. I'm also the guy who got addicted to TIS-100 and writes in smali when I'm bored. < 1449189805 855265 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ヘロレン!えっと…ちょっと怖いんだよ < 1449189834 290472 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode rules < 1449189841 41656 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF8 does, too < 1449189900 814032 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bellood6od! prettiness is tantamount to achieve great fungeoïd programming hth < 1449190053 638525 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I definitely want to work more with befunge, or similar languages. It's fun. < 1449190365 140714 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even hunt wumpuses in it! < 1449190378 563503 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wumpus? wumpii? wumpæ?? < 1449190408 777191 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchambers: What should I use for laconic rot? < 1449190420 64630 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("]" is reserved for lists) < 1449190428 601939 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Network ban < 1449190496 828585 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It's easiest to hunt wumpa with a mapole < 1449190510 674021 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with ^v^v's network ban I wonder... < 1449190516 466385 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was that a joke? < 1449190526 126070 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must've been a joke that I was too thick to see xD < 1449190528 166579 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :long history, of which I'm missing many details. < 1449190537 371616 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: laconic rot? < 1449190537 625434 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: be in cahoots with! you guess none the wiser, you board the shuttle. next stop, it's unbecoming electricity, although he gives a small man. but there is a factory there you do. < 1449190549 352013 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. a mapole does all. < 1449190578 322712 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Laconic Rot means the symbolic rot instruction (laconic POP is $) < 1449190590 672809 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rot rotates the top 3 elements, and there are about 12 different variants on it < 1449190602 767859 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some variant of ] might be used < 1449190619 380138 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I'll make lists [| ... |] < 1449190627 512574 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you just use [] then cons the values < 1449190641 582554 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that makes the most sense < 1449190667 478133 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: chelloppro. do you like shrimps? < 1449190752 39611 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, ROT is ], ROTCC is [. Back versions are prefixed with ~, and far versions have a _ on the pronged side of the bracket. < 1449190760 467695 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to figure out the modification for FAR < 1449190772 530462 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just combine those to make the LONG_FAR ones < 1449191213 374482 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Do you know who ^v^v was? < 1449191550 230537 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. ?->;-> is a command. < 1449191556 736760 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :szszszszszszszszszszszszszszszszszszszszszszszszszszszszsz < 1449191606 443628 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Dafuq? < 1449191643 498725 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how zszszszszszsz looks like a pattern in my font < 1449191657 160298 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1449191691 568262 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! < 1449191802 259265 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: The new s or the old s? Because it looks fukin awesome with the old s < 1449191816 956847 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new s and the nes z < 1449191819 283406 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hearby name that the "\oren\ curve" < 1449191824 233139 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449191834 727188 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: The old s looks better. < 1449191867 762811 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this scenario < 1449191903 258502 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/bbs < 1449191975 365053 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1449192184 967021 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449192352 768694 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449192561 493548 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided on :-> for Registering Event Handlers < 1449192587 830807 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it could easily be confused with something like @-> (WHILE) when it's really more similar to DEF. < 1449192617 204123 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is represented as :=, CODEF as :=') < 1449192789 48473 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: How good is your Haskell, or more specifically, GHCi? < 1449192822 973753 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if there's a way to search the currently-available libraries for things with a certain type < 1449192900 319525 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1449193123 593764 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you can use hoogle < 1449193135 698921 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Oh right! Hoogle! < 1449193155 301933 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I need it right now, but I'll attempt and most likely fail to remember that! < 1449193661 303533 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 QUIT :Quit: tswett < 1449193678 684856 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449193743 328475 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 NICK :tswett < 1449193757 441898 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswarrigellott! < 1449193784 820498 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoily. < 1449193796 84146 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE we go! < 1449193802 690778 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, tswett. Thank you. < 1449193833 348616 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No hpproblion[1]. < 1449193894 498413 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@mages-loud < 1449193894 660599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1449193908 440329 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@msages-loud < 1449193908 602398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 7h 26m 12s ago: The ordinal numbers are keeping me awake. <-- try attaching them to sheep hth < 1449193908 602468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 7h 19m 58s ago: i'm not convinced your Z(a,b) defines an ordinal number for a > 0. it seems to me that Z(0,b) = b for any infinite ordinal b, so there _are_ no larger ordinals for a > 0 to choose from. < 1449193908 602493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 7h 15m 4s ago: hm wait, Z(0,b) = b+1. < 1449193908 602511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 6h 59m 38s ago: oh hm i see, when you fixed it to "not equal to" it makes more sense. because Z(0,...) leaves out all the limit ordinals, so Z(1,...) gets some of those. < 1449193908 602534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 6h 58m ago: except i fail to see how there's anything left for Z(2,...). < 1449193910 473784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 6h 55m 9s ago: i really should learn not to @tell until i've read through the whole log discussion... < 1449193971 734532 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1449194246 892659 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan @tell me more @tell me more ♪ < 1449194247 94267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449194281 324566 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Hurricane996 5* 10New user account < 1449194339 911598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449194828 737210 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell i'll tell u < 1449194828 899402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449194929 483491 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's i'll? and is it a valid IRC nick? < 1449195021 179358 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Fob14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45774 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+152) 10Created page with "What python version should the interpretrer be run in? ~~~~" < 1449195089 851380 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449195111 310529 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449195111 472603 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dbuvnzgskdtlmvox JOIN :#esoteric < 1449195726 241269 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bfstack14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45775 5* 03Hurricane996 5* (+441) 10Created page with "BFStack is an esoteric brainfuck derivative. It is stack based instead. The instructions are almost the same, but changed to be stack based. ">" Pushes 0 onto the stack "<" ..." < 1449195727 109750 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45776&oldid=45267 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+29) 10 < 1449195872 367156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Fob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45777&oldid=45774 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+63) 10 < 1449195925 180946 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45778&oldid=45302 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+94) 10 < 1449196241 582245 :^^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449196287 906405 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: THIRD CHICKEN < 1449196288 541532 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], i think ^v^v is me? < 1449196295 494121 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1449196310 138408 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually my nick is just ^v, v^ and ^^v < 1449196505 455456 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wait, wouldnt brainfuck be stack based anyway? < 1449196511 499157 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a vertical tape < 1449196530 563569 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh i see < 1449197971 806342 :andrew!~andrew@14.152.94.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449199254 168385 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell '' '' < 1449199254 330638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449199279 129651 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a valid nick. < 1449199296 25383 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KGRR < 1449199296 295457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KGRR 040253Z 24013G28KT 200V280 9SM OVC016 03/00 A3033 RMK AO2 PK WND 30028/0246 SLP277 T00330000 53006 < 1449199317 729763 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely know what any of that means. < 1449199336 630185 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overcast. < 1449199347 683257 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's pretty much it. < 1449199742 148043 :jaboja!~jaboja@esd102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449199888 368452 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449200120 884073 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kinds of higher-order functions are there? (Efficiency ones and ones that work on infinite lists are redundant) < 1449200131 539945 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAP, APPLY, FILTER, REDUCE, FOLD < 1449200539 344099 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots and lots and lots. < 1449200570 688000 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many people believe that the most important concept in mathematics is the function. < 1449200952 133459 :singingb1yo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449201774 707637 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: higher order functions are everywhere! < 1449201791 25330 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I was going for the common ones < 1449201797 944506 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The general ones of common use < 1449201843 449708 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sortWith is a good one < 1449201887 787795 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zipWith too < 1449201916 383251 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course bind (>>=) < 1449201931 771397 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could maybe consider things like (<*>) to be higher order < 1449202259 196592 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449202293 578844 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a for loop is a higher order function < 1449202323 657933 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with unorthodox syntax) < 1449202367 805519 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible. depends on how you want to view it :) < 1449202373 844235 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Keep in mind, I don't actually know that much Haskell. < 1449202387 815354 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried to hit tab to autocomplete the word "haskell" xD < 1449202396 889573 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: both are related to function application, but with fancier functions < 1449202400 526772 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain cannot tell the difference between Programming languages and People < 1449202411 495551 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: That's what I suspected < 1449202543 762588 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I'm just asking what I need to implement for Functional Programming (the style, not the paradigm) in a language I'm making. < 1449202591 4674 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A usable-but-stacky language. < 1449202606 846460 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best way is to not think of functions as something special < 1449202686 646905 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I don't < 1449202701 474422 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im bored, is it a good idea to learn haskell < 1449202703 669048 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never have. I'm just asking what higher-order functions I should include. < 1449202705 358483 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then, you dont need to worry about what sorts of functions to implement :) < 1449202707 424264 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: yes! < 1449202707 586491 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Yes. < 1449202716 762588 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: dont include any < 1449202718 59874 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive basically mastered C,C++, and lua < 1449202745 140994 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: They need not be builtin, but they'll probably be in the standard library < 1449202756 602070 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should include /some/ < 1449202765 566503 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Learn ASM < 1449202770 63886 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im thinking of learning arm/thumb (since i might want to do be a firmware developer) < 1449202776 286797 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then program in it exclusively. < 1449202792 968473 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], haha ive put more time into esolangs than i would like < 1449202802 954392 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atleast 100 hours of brainfuck < 1449202806 890996 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now I've got to go < 1449202807 906001 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1449202815 737636 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all my friends look at me like im fucking insane < 1449202831 814847 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: there's no such thing as ASM :) < 1449202844 878832 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ^v could definitely learn MIPS assembly! < 1449202865 689782 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, i have an interest in arm/thumb specifically because vex robots run on it < 1449202876 642915 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: arm would probably be good for getting jobs < 1449202886 192686 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vex robots huh < 1449202893 393796 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a vex robot < 1449202902 607791 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am on a vex roboitcs team < 1449202919 697518 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vex is like first robotics little brother < 1449202994 98395 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, cant decide between low level and high level for jobs < 1449202994 298251 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449203016 509350 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449203016 764452 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im 16 and homeschooled so its hard to intern xD < 1449203166 880391 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: why decide! < 1449203317 607960 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when applying you usually have to make the choice < 1449203403 524514 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :low level C/asm firmware for various devices or high level for usually computer/phone applications < 1449203429 153896 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, when applying someone. but when STUDYING you can do whatever you want! < 1449203445 282409 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1449203461 782832 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more you study, the more you can apply to < 1449203582 968939 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what ive seen, interns are basically useless < 1449203626 28869 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a friend that did better than most of his co-workers when he interned, he got an offer to drop out and join for 60k/yr < 1449203639 461842 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a 3k bonus at the end < 1449203984 802177 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449204444 911163 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449204895 95151 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449204900 755049 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaaa < 1449204915 899106 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know who ^v^v is < 1449204931 601558 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind my desktop reconnected < 1449205319 232983 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449205473 772483 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449207967 123605 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION once mirrored a site that was on Geocities and contacted the person. Turns out they had already migrated off of it < 1449207980 163312 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. I may have been significantly scrolled up < 1449209996 603313 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449210028 52774 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449212019 651454 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, geocities < 1449212025 757149 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a name i have not heared in a long time.. < 1449212042 666475 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449212472 889748 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449212491 614000 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Is a vex robot at all related to the similarly-named type of robot? < 1449212551 365562 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, the ex-robot: Robots that have had their brains uploaded to a computer and are now disembodied. < 1449212666 806881 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :￿ < 1449212672 652645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ￿ < 1449212676 141295 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean real moving robots xD < 1449212685 724718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+FFFF - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: ef bf bf UTF-16BE: ffff Decimal: ￿ \ ￿ (￿) \ Uppercase: U+FFFF \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) < 1449212691 457576 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Oh, so sex robots then? < 1449212701 25806 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1449212715 166537 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1449212724 209909 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres a pic of the last one i built http://i.imgur.com/ImJR7a4.jpg < 1449212777 156639 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But where's the... < 1449212800 651911 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/Vmz2SgG.jpg < 1449212804 478684 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lifts up < 1449212817 774782 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a wall of awards in the background xD < 1449212846 22689 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't see where you put your... nevermind < 1449212856 641153 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1449212866 10396 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry to dissapoint, i dont build sex robots < 1449212871 672513 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirdo. < 1449212884 348233 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a claw so i guess it could hold a fleshlight or something xD < 1449212931 754956 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1449214422 780630 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :izabera_ < 1449214500 256361 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449214657 31997 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to call my ASM scarecrow < 1449214667 715364 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's really just strawman assembly xD < 1449214867 24228 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, I already named it Thorn# < 1449214934 812793 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449214990 803841 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449215021 644473 :aloril__!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449215175 210610 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449215473 511443 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449215635 31236 :aloril__!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449215713 360820 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-179-104.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1449216202 705642 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::map,unsigned char*>,unsigned char*> < 1449216240 267492 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck your convetions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ < 1449216330 741364 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.1 - http://znc.in < 1449216601 743890 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1449216749 102945 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I want to make a Captain Forever: Remix-like games < 1449216760 728463 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s// < 1449216775 661490 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some programming to control your ship < 1449216827 706886 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :Screen < 1449216832 4335 :Screen!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :Elronnd < 1449216839 737016 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :BlueScreenOfDeat < 1449216868 299237 :BlueScreenOfDeat!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :DeathDisplayingS < 1449216876 685719 :DeathDisplayingS!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :DeathDisplayer < 1449216950 806609 :B1ood6od!~B1ood6od@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449217019 130427 :DeathDisplayer!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :Elronnd < 1449217173 570711 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :DeathDisplayer < 1449217189 884761 :DeathDisplayer!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :Elronnd < 1449217270 766974 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Captain a-pretty-long-fucking-time < 1449217408 436671 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], im actually developing a captain forever like sandbox game < 1449217427 507239 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Cool. As in, shipbuilding? < 1449217435 615870 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what the original Captain Forever was like < 1449217435 869075 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it has computers < 1449217439 409348 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1449217442 174427 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language? < 1449217457 615675 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :custom assembly < 1449217460 962025 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1449217469 729204 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean what're you developing it in though < 1449217471 475678 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were thinking of using arm instead < 1449217481 184725 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but qemu is pretty bulky < 1449217486 696829 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], C++/Lua < 1449217496 188727 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, is this a company project of some sort? < 1449217515 763731 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will probably turn into a company at some point < 1449217520 289616 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449217527 218825 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are verry skilled < 1449217527 381029 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So shipbuilding is a thing? < 1449217531 148812 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1449217552 565901 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1449217568 460581 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics, destruction, etc < 1449217586 672461 :singingb1yo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449217592 528040 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome < 1449217600 711281 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like developing on the GPU < 1449217650 425359 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of things you do seem counter intuitive when creating highly parallel code but actually are more efficient < 1449217684 877790 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are so used to programming on the CPU where memory access between threads is relatively cheap < 1449217834 178710 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: I don't even do C, so I don't know what you're talking about with memory access between threads < 1449217844 390288 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I assume it has something to do with accessing memory. Between threads. < 1449217860 546056 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has more to do with CPU architecture < 1449218147 705945 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449218186 13199 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449218595 187324 :keiber!~canaima@190.103.31.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449218681 787014 :keiber!~canaima@190.103.31.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1449218739 885323 :keiber!~canaima@190.103.31.130 PART :#esoteric < 1449219139 386482 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Procedurally Generated spaceships will be fun for my little CF < 1449220763 958901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! age old bug I reported is now fixed! yay! < 1449221934 969897 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449222764 866520 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449222771 769790 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Turns out GOT Hijacking is a thing. < 1449222774 887319 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although a rarer thing. < 1449223107 459334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: um what? < 1449223305 308134 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1449223419 852369 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really get how PLT/GOT works though < 1449223433 519131 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x8048320 :jmp DWORD PTR ds:0x8049688 < 1449223439 391504 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a memory indirect jump thing? < 1449223463 382388 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. jmp to whatever is at address 0x8049688 but don't jump to actual address 0x8049688 < 1449223546 744011 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually with at&t its jmp *0x8049688 < 1449223552 903080 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't find anything about what that star means < 1449223609 62076 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a nice post explaining PLT/GOT a while ago, let me see if I can find it.. < 1449223648 834348 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the GOT is updated once you called the function for the first time < 1449223660 487633 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's in fact a memory indirect jmup < 1449223671 692095 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the target address is behind 0x8049688 < 1449223680 620887 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that just contains a reference back to the PLT for now < 1449223690 32227 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.technovelty.org/linux/plt-and-got-the-key-to-code-sharing-and-dynamic-libraries.html this one < 1449223690 859614 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably calls the runtime resolver < 1449223792 939015 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, there's a trampoline immediately followed by the code that patches the table or something like that < 1449223805 743085 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the address is updated after the first call < 1449223807 305691 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1449223822 416737 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the function has been called once, you can look up the concrete address of the library function < 1449223828 685462 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the GOT, I believe? < 1449223840 23609 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOT hijacking overwrites entries in the GOT so for example if you can gain control over a pointer where some data is written to < 1449223845 27467 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can redirect printf to system < 1449223853 726578 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1449223862 864228 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes, after it has been called once the actual address will be written to the GOT < 1449223911 435321 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me just blog about that in my blog so I don't forget about it later :D < 1449223913 593454 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the address from the GOT as a base address to locate execve for a CTF task < 1449225265 84366 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449225293 567734 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1449225312 357272 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although with ASLR and PIE I think pretty much all of the stuff doesn't work anymore < 1449225317 394147 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASLR alone can be circumvented < 1449225324 558629 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't heard anything about dealing with PIE < 1449225570 644861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Mego 5* 10New user account < 1449225607 274679 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1449225610 147351 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x80000703 <+23>:call 0xb7eaac20 < 1449225615 298759 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with PIE it doesn't use the PLT < 1449225795 629167 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e8 fc ff ff ff < 1449225797 351722 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1449225801 204287 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at what point is this resolved? < 1449225840 602812 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means loadtime stuff is going on < 1449225848 307918 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code is patched at load time with the actual addresses? < 1449226447 736182 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449227336 521908 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUESTION: < 1449227352 863986 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can the wiki load a wikitable from an external source? < 1449228157 336420 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sincerely hope not. < 1449228173 659346 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean something like a File uploaded to the wiki? < 1449228184 804453 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449228866 131136 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449230453 144221 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449230818 778997 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1449230818 941112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 9h 29m 6s ago: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-0NVE9E8UJiT0loSFZkdmktRFU/view?usp=docslist_api < 1449231023 265015 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449231197 859436 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449231205 567347 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-itwjdupnognkjrym QUIT : < 1449231215 240277 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jngzsdrumukkgcrp JOIN :#esoteric < 1449232397 107742 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: STURDY CHICKEN < 1449233120 738148 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449233542 978955 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449233727 67589 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 NICK :AwaySoul < 1449233833 764387 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449233834 16938 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1449233834 179037 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449235619 765475 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449235949 11821 :impomatic_!~digital_w@122.189.113.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1449236525 948779 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449236526 115012 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1449236526 115072 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449237556 671322 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449237752 952094 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449237771 4688 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449237777 333307 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1449238034 911178 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449239620 435876 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this new disk drive has a ridiculously annoying parking sound ;_; < 1449239638 329667 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1449239638 495757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily asked 12h 36m 31s ago: @tell me more @tell me more ♪ < 1449239647 973022 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boily Never! < 1449239648 135599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449239843 446882 :jaboja!~jaboja@esd102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449240593 829268 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1449240599 835471 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 6 hours I'm going to be in London < 1449240665 369616 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the first time < 1449240712 778273 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it'll be the first time on my own < 1449240729 110862 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :First time I've travelled further south than Leeds without a grown-up < 1449240769 99740 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1449240931 352970 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you're in London, right? Do you know anywhere nice and not too expensive I can get breakfast near King's Cross or Imperial College/ < 1449241361 383520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in London, but I don't really know London, and my "hoods" are mostly around Victoria and southwest from there. < 1449241371 172669 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a clicking sum, but a humming one, as if actually hearing the disk winding down... < 1449241374 948120 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sound < 1449241395 382746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess Imperial College is hereabouts, actually. At least somewhat. < 1449241406 721332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the third hand, I just eat the free food here at work. < 1449242383 916326 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37.219.106.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449242477 417908 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Going insane < 1449242486 782782 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449242498 928442 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37.219.106.73 NICK :J_Arcane < 1449242533 81663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1449242536 426549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie has "hoods"? < 1449242787 784370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the word means, really. I just meant "places I'm customarily near to". < 1449242837 578762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think of them as modes in a probabilistic model of my location. < 1449243102 209422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: There's a cat cafe we're going to have breakfast at in London, but we haven't been there yet, so I don't know if it's nice -- plus it's fully booked for pretty long time in advance, and probably a bit on the expensive side (extra entrace fee to cover the cats, for example), so this is probably not a useful tip for you. < 1449243123 682321 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :nvd < 1449243196 616673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've just been feeling a bit deficient in the cat department, and some other people have said it was a nice place.) < 1449243285 331781 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :Taneb < 1449243316 828036 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'd rather avoid booking a long time in advance for breakfast tomorrow < 1449243383 146912 :AwaySoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1449243554 445211 :andrew!~andrew@14.152.94.85 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449244018 484489 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449244742 265116 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449244852 589150 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37.219.106.73 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449244887 494135 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449244934 365005 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1449245195 974872 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449246432 773806 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449247372 726679 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37.219.106.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449248911 74293 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dbuvnzgskdtlmvox QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1449249395 786914 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449250176 172412 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449250348 781425 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449250796 478924 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1449250810 479296 :spiette!~spiette@208.88.110.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449251180 737126 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449251985 962860 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449252123 723952 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449252467 204710 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a difference between `reduce` in Python and the `fold`s in Haskell? < 1449252583 709106 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :conceptually, not much, nope < 1449252695 312130 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: According to F#, fold takes an initial value whereas reduce just starts with the 0th element in hte list. < 1449252707 776170 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl1 is the haskell equivalent < 1449252717 670418 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldl1 < 1449252718 883230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foldable t => (a -> a -> a) -> t a -> a < 1449253199 78745 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37.219.106.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449253227 190380 :jaboja!~jaboja@esd102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449253347 404352 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449253572 456218 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1449253593 85689 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449253849 9585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449254195 687453 :jaboja!~jaboja@esd102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449256093 934845 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449256430 900250 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449256697 807144 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Bubblegum14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45779&oldid=45204 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+274) 10explanation of reasoning behind the exceptional behavior of this example program < 1449257234 841137 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449257242 153830 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449257527 144255 :jaboja!~jaboja@esd102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449257564 70297 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449257791 204904 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449257853 867822 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449257881 963094 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@82.2.190.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449257959 826439 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45780&oldid=45675 5* 0373.234.127.46 5* (+104360) 10 < 1449258380 515366 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449258452 702900 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf... < 1449258722 329485 :izabera_!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was an interesting read < 1449258880 85162 :izabera_!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/makeamericagreatagain the author is donald trump from 1970 < 1449258994 985212 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@82.2.190.177 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449259763 719759 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449261873 969895 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449262500 661425 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1449262862 119353 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hizabera < 1449263001 629620 :izabera_!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in < 1449263361 60412 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavhilion < 1449263388 349210 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1449263533 118425 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1449264305 771129 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449264768 730077 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1449265043 293969 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449265379 222019 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449265449 481103 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449265569 9133 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam JOIN :#esoteric < 1449265642 84682 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, I’m trying to print out a 178-character string in brainfuck. this wouldn’t be a problem except I’m limited to using 270 characters of brainfuck. I was considering compressing the 178 char string; do you guys have any other ideas? < 1449265793 75945 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: Why are you limited? < 1449265807 723647 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: just a character limit for the service I’m using < 1449265810 340109 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it for a school assignment? Because that'd be SO FUCKING COOL < 1449265811 815994 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449265812 728048 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449265814 457187 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s not haha < 1449265818 459381 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is related, it’s for a senior quote < 1449265819 641093 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::,( < 1449265822 120934 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449265826 900433 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works < 1449265840 624567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be asking too much (cheating aside; some brainfuck implementations actually allow accessing the code as data...) < 1449265874 683470 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: Brainfuck gets repetitive, so you could use _n syntax < 1449265887 173049 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where for +++++++++, for example, you just do +9 < 1449265888 60056 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1449265895 879969 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as perfect, but it'd work < 1449266140 44891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could give the bf_textgen program a go, although 178 to 270 might be too much to ask, depending on the string. < 1449266150 672873 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 178 chars < 1449266159 553448 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think he should use _n syntax < 1449266180 619401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, the syntax is not part of brainfuck. < 1449266222 753270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the 270 character result needs to be a program a brainfuck interpreter can read, putting numbers in doesn't really help, since they get ignored. < 1449266229 585282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's meant for humans, sure. < 1449266273 347401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what a "senior quote" is -- it sounds a bit more human-oriented.) < 1449266375 417702 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1449266391 700826 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's a quote that you put in the yearbook in your last year of high school, I believe < 1449266398 324810 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: sorry, I went afk < 1449266403 680165 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fine < 1449266443 103665 :spiette!~spiette@208.88.110.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449266473 273766 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it goes in a yearbook under your name. people put inspirational, funny quotes < 1449266503 638965 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I seem to be in London < 1449266506 989934 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :so “Hello world!” can be done in 107 < 1449266517 702232 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is definitely impressive < 1449266559 902932 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449266603 215528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it can be done in less. bf_textgen spit out 105 characters for me. < 1449266646 172592 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: link? couldn’t find it < 1449266656 548359 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://copy.sh/brainfuck/text.html? < 1449266710 587884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Java thing, it's floating around the webs somewhere. < 1449266723 131211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/graue/esofiles/blob/master/brainfuck/util/textgen.java < 1449266739 356777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The 105 was without the newline.) < 1449266748 563309 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-[------->+<]>.-[->++++<]>.[->++<]>+.++++++++++++.-----[->++++<]>.>-[--->+<]>-.------------.---.-[-->+<]>--.---[->+++<]>.+[---->+++<]>-.+++++++++++.++++++.+++.--.+[--->+<]>++++.+++[->++<]>.-.----.>-[--->+<]>---.--[----->++<]>.++++++[->++<]>+.++++++++++++.+[--->+<]>++.---[->+++<]>.-----.--[->++++<]>+.++++++++.+++++++++++.------------. < 1449266754 16090 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], +9 is called run-length encoding < 1449266759 134241 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, will try < 1449266766 88006 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Ah, right < 1449266776 169951 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :run-length encoding is a lazy way to do brainfuck < 1449266829 956403 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mine got 104? < 1449266833 520489 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes you dont have 2 spaces to clobber < 1449266842 482696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: It's non-deterministic, you can get lucky. < 1449266855 238035 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so -[------->+<]> like encodings arent an option in those cases < 1449266872 219373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it will get you down to 270 for a 178-character string, though -- given the fixed structure of the output, it has an absolute lower bound of N+k for N-character output, where k is a smallish constant. < 1449266888 148177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The .s are outside a loop, so it will always contain at least N .s) < 1449266899 487161 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best I’m getting with my string right now is 9925 :S < 1449266920 320132 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe if I compressed the string? < 1449266969 824676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds a bit far-fetched still, but you can always try. < 1449266994 246407 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: got a recommendation for any compressor? < 1449267037 183931 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Non-deterministic? Really? < 1449267050 558759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: textgen.java uses a genetic-programming-inspired algorithm, so yes. < 1449267071 479681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Well, I mean, "non-deterministic" in the usual sense of using a PRNG seeded with something. < 1449267074 349530 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam, a 160% size ratio when encoding brainfuck is pretty much impossible < 1449267085 122800 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449267105 649339 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so reducing the size of the text is your only viable option < 1449267108 101822 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: even with compressing the string? < 1449267109 501091 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1449267114 811378 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just wondering the best way to do that < 1449267118 746701 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :got any suggestions? < 1449267120 928873 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, use RLE Newyorkadam. In hex. < 1449267134 954028 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For EXTRA programmeriness < 1449267155 978064 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], hex RLE would give you a ratio of 300% < 1449267172 32422 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: I was afraid that'd happen < 1449267172 570473 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam, depends on the text obviously < 1449267187 133331 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :here’s the string: "\"Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject, so you know you are getting the best possible information.\" — Michael Scott" < 1449267194 748199 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the \” is a quotation < 1449267210 757029 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1449267210 919244 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: Could you pastebin the quote then encode the URL in BF? < 1449267215 710781 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be extra-programmery. < 1449267229 570315 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then RLE the string in hex, of course. < 1449267237 128509 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :was thinking that, but if I’m looking at my yearbook in 50 years I don’t think the link will still be up < 1449267269 129271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the very least, drop the UTF-8 — from it. < 1449267279 524975 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that can just be a “-“ < 1449267321 239395 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate how macs replace " with “ and - with — < 1449267323 230723 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! dropping the — to a - got me from 9925 to 1515 lol < 1449267357 569635 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam, ofc, because every character was forced to be utf8 < 1449267380 271128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sort of output generated by a compressor isn't generally very easy to produce from a brainfuck program. You might have better luck trying to generate the string with brainfuck, and then come up with the most compact way of encoding the brainfuck code. If you don't mind it being not so readable, just feed the *brainfuck* through some suitable general-purpose compression algorithm, then ... < 1449267386 151880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... base64 that for survival. < 1449267421 793918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 1225 out of textgen.java with "-t 6" -- that's the number of "terms", for long quotations having more than the default (4) can be beneficial. < 1449267436 586797 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you do something like -t 100? < 1449267455 761365 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :running it myself < 1449267475 499681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not going to be very helpful, I think. There's diminishing returns, plus extra constant cost for terms. < 1449267495 340611 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s definitely an interesting program < 1449267497 917332 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :*problem < 1449267499 683374 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :well program too haha < 1449267510 62187 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does textgen have multiple layered loops? < 1449267535 408924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: No, it has a pretty simple structure, very definitely non-optimal. < 1449267550 375430 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: Put it in a .tar.gz and host it on your own server. Then, bit.ly the sucker. < 1449267559 980964 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming bit.ly sticks around, that should work < 1449267572 813676 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking if you wanted to implement something like that it would be beneficial to use the GPU < 1449267575 569803 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Come to think of it, the .tar.gz is unnecessary) < 1449267575 951959 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don’t think my server will be up permanatly though < 1449267585 118529 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: Then that's your own damn fault xD < 1449267594 459073 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric ::’( :P < 1449267599 199797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 400 characters for a simple textgen -t 6 + bzip2 -c -9 + base64. Might be better to add something brainfuck-specific to the mix. < 1449267611 679166 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 400 is really good < 1449267614 511879 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 8 characters. 3 bits/character. < 1449267645 492205 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: You could encode it in BitSwitcher (or whatever it's called) and encode it as pairs of 2 bits. Though I think that language has more commands in it. < 1449267654 689192 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: weird, 6 got me higher (2200) < 1449267678 174960 :invitada-!~invitada-@89.128.156.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449267703 129656 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :down to 1200 < 1449267753 263724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: OH! LIBRARY OF BABEL MIGHT WORK! < 1449267781 550634 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you won't be able to use the quotes or the dash. It only supports lowercase letters, space, comma, and period, I believe. < 1449267782 698490 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: just read about it < 1449267789 254349 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be fine < 1449267805 657647 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: Hash it. No one will be able to read it, but it would still be cool. < 1449267829 398477 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: wouldn’t compressing it have the same effect( < 1449267846 435374 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: No, hashes go much farther than compression. < 1449267858 565921 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They bring return a fixed-width string < 1449267870 156672 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually got it down to like 40 characters with smaz (a compression tool) but ran into some weird issues < 1449267895 69855 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could also bank on a really bad hashing algorithm being easily cracked in a few years lol < 1449267898 590682 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I could just crack the hash :P < 1449267911 105647 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: YES! DO THAT! < 1449267921 792429 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use an already-cracked hashing algorithm. < 1449267936 521786 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its too large for that to work < 1449267939 781077 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even md5 < 1449267947 738508 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some that have been cracked but that only a few strings have been cracked < 1449267948 667078 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah^^ < 1449267968 581383 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could CRC32 segments < 1449267978 952502 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Is "Cut the last character off the end of the string" technically a hashing algorithm? You can't reverse it to get the plaintext, and it produces consistent results for equal strings... < 1449267988 608708 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 172 with a SHA-1 version of it < 1449267990 636817 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "Use every other character" < 1449267999 891292 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: CLOSE ENOUGH! < 1449268003 60706 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot13 < 1449268006 690711 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best crypto < 1449268019 491777 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: What about I? I like I. < 1449268024 278310 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :we’re on the quest to find the least secure hashing algorithm! lol < 1449268031 667555 :invitada-!~invitada-@89.128.156.146 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449268033 172476 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1449268073 60565 :invitada-!~invitada-@89.128.156.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449268084 507956 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Have any clue how secure ScrabbleHash is? < 1449268136 29829 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's something #esoteric needs to do < 1449268153 259516 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extend Scrabble such that it supports at /least/ all of ascii. < 1449268157 132610 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including control characters. < 1449268168 684191 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Should we do that? < 1449268184 876850 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Escrabblo? < 1449268188 505305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don't think you can do that as there are only a hundred tiles. < 1449268204 366953 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Well it'd be extended scrabble. < 1449268230 624498 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With infinitely many tiles and squares (and a different ending condition) < 1449268240 973360 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], no clue < 1449268242 373178 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you just reencode into base 27 first? < 1449268257 836121 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked in ##security < 1449268260 459212 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Base 81 < 1449268265 669324 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1449268266 887970 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :they’ll probably know best < 1449268277 756602 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it turns out that that channel is just mall cops and school police? < 1449268315 585398 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be hilarious < 1449268449 890318 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1449268463 518646 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449268583 163772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, the same output that was 400 bytes (textgen | bzip2 | base64) is 492 if I make it textgen | bfpack | bzip2 | base64, where "bfpack" denotes the trivial "convert brainfuck commands to 3-bit sequences and pack densely" transformation. Which isn't exactly surprising -- that's going to be really pessimal for the general-purpose compression. Really, the compression algo should ... < 1449268589 206968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... inherently be designed for a input that's a sequence of 3-bit symbols. < 1449268641 534165 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: so what do you think I should do :P bank on a certain algorithm being cracked? < 1449268649 836711 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: Yes. < 1449268657 891657 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: do you recommend a certain one < 1449268658 309986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But that's a bit much for a shell oneliner.) < 1449268660 982483 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more likely, use a long-cracked one < 1449268679 299750 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what’s that < 1449268685 238030 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use ScrabbleHash < 1449268691 497492 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1449268703 309968 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use a checksum designed for error correction < 1449268709 199061 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like crc1024 < 1449268722 458286 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strip all non-alphabetic characteres, calculate the resulting word's scrabble score. < 1449268780 726031 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading this, do you guys think any of it could help me: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1138345/best-compression-algorithm-for-short-text-strings < 1449268855 469277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "cracked" hashing algorithm doesn't sound all that helpful, because even if there's an easy way to find pre-images, you're generally not going to get the *quote* out of it, just something that hashes to the same thing. < 1449268872 704768 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45781&oldid=45773 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+827) 10/* Specification */ < 1449268878 320086 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam, best you are going to get is 50% < 1449268882 571435 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isnt enoug < 1449268894 301388 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: True, true. Of course, you could keep testing until it makes a quote. < 1449268895 233342 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will also make the brainfuck code larger < 1449268946 511220 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45782&oldid=45781 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+4) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449268986 686119 :invitada-!~invitada-@89.128.156.146 QUIT : < 1449269027 899157 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1449269040 881343 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1449269057 75997 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: using smaz I got it to like 45 characters < 1449269062 56704 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: I'm looking for a language concept that allows me to assign instructions to a ton of unicode characters. Have any ideas? < 1449269077 367212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anything smaz-like (as in, based on a predefined dictionary of "typical" text; you could do a "bfsmaz"-style thing that'd be very good in packing brainfuck code) arguably suffers from the problem that it's not feasible to decode without expecting the exact dictionary to be still available in the far future. < 1449269088 742145 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what do you mean instructions? < 1449269100 357552 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: In a language. < 1449269112 927640 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're new and I was just wondering if you can think of anything. < 1449269113 181088 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: isn’t that essentially brainfuck? < 1449269116 613510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case you could as well just compress it to the string "that Michael Scott quote about Wikipedia". < 1449269117 628865 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: No. < 1449269129 183834 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :like “+” increases the cell; that’s an instructions < 1449269133 150146 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, I know < 1449269141 512877 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1449269153 788230 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: Yes, that's an instruction. I'm looking for a language concept that can have a LOT of instructions. < 1449269156 532911 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could invent “Newyorkadam’s smaz” which would translate “a” to “this is my senior quote” < 1449269175 105642 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: But no one else has access to it < 1449269183 243353 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I’m not sure, sorry < 1449269186 438687 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if you post it, the server will go down someday < 1449269187 204080 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449269192 293777 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not that great of a programmer < 1449269206 881779 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know about brainfuck. You're an amazing programmer < 1449269215 451085 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you knew what I meant when I brought up hashes. < 1449269223 796160 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually wrote a brainfuck RPG game during a hackathon a few weeks ago < 1449269238 498775 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could only found one other person who did it and they wrote it in C and just used a program to make it brainfuck < 1449269251 389858 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa < 1449269263 765702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like this smaz thing in the first place is very well-known. It's just some random dude's github with an English/web-text-oriented ad-hoc codebook. < 1449269266 921472 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it saved.. I can toss it over if you want < 1449269268 680779 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: You wrote an RPG. In brainfuck. What. < 1449269291 4457 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits the esogong < 1449269294 505063 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], i wrote an IRC bot < 1449269294 667181 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATTENTION EVERYBODY < 1449269300 405728 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in brainfuck xD < 1449269301 955624 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think I developed a new, extremely inefficient way of doing an if/else < 1449269302 590444 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BELIEVE WE'VE FOUND THE MESSIAH < 1449269313 197997 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: Oooh, how? < 1449269322 844741 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam, :o < 1449269330 867665 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :been looking for a good way to do ifelse < 1449269347 512305 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Wait, I'm sorry, you made an IRC bot in BF? < 1449269352 790135 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1449269361 683506 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that possible? BF is barely usable! < 1449269366 945402 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it joins a channel and responds to pings < 1449269367 326654 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me know what you think of this if/else: http://pastebin.com/WRsWJTc4 < 1449269370 648476 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's literally impossible without deriving it! < 1449269375 679879 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s gonna need some explaining though lol < 1449269381 991560 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me know if you don’t get it (you probably won't) < 1449269405 121557 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, don't get it < 1449269412 607754 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam, lmao thats how i do it < 1449269419 506863 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright open up this link it will help me explain: https://fatiherikli.github.io/brainfuck-visualizer/# < 1449269425 592571 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: oh lol, I thought I was original :p < 1449269440 754210 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: run this “,>++++++++++[<---->-]<-------->>+<<“ < 1449269442 947863 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :input a 1 < 1449269482 544824 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what that line does (third line in the paste) is you input a 1 or a 0 < 1449269492 194155 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you put in a 0, the first cell will equal 0 < 1449269497 113056 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you put in a 1, the first cell will equal 1 < 1449269500 77302 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty simple < 1449269500 838252 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cool < 1449269508 107491 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :it then increases the third cell to 1 no matter what < 1449269523 81141 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the loop in brainfuck will only run if the currently cell is greater than 0 < 1449269541 467680 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it IS greater than 1 (i.e. user inputted ‘1’), it runs that loop < 1449269541 629926 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: I would advise you add a >>-<< to kill that third cell, just for neatness purposes < 1449269551 239973 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wait, it eliminates the third cell's existing value < 1449269552 679176 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I do that, don’t I? < 1449269556 375803 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I need that haha < 1449269558 539555 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s a temporary value < 1449269560 917827 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449269561 167709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you *really* want to spend time tinkering with this, you could *try* making an Huffman/LZ77-style thing that takes 3-bit sequences as input. Although expecting anyone to be able to unpack it without any hints is asking quite a lot. < 1449269578 679038 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was creating a really convoluted system where there are 2 spaces between every cell you use < 1449269589 454721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get the bzip2-base64 down to 376 with a bit of tweaking, but that's still quite far off from your limit of 270. < 1449269595 787623 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can have pointers < 1449269600 219120 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was looking into huffman but was still having some trouble < 1449269607 376664 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: do you see how it works now? < 1449269635 966590 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: Not really, but that's more a fault of my ability to pay attention that of your ability to explain < 1449269648 694350 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially there’s a temporary value in the third cell < 1449269664 247403 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the user inputs 1, I run the IF code and delete that third cell value < 1449269675 299824 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the time you get after that IF, the brainfuck checks if there’s anything in the third cell < 1449269700 581822 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is, that means that the first IF didn’t run, so it assumes it’s else and then runs the else. if the third cell doesn’t have a value, it assumes the IF ran and continues w/o running the else < 1449269721 467731 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449269801 898311 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 376 is still really impressive, thanks for helping me < 1449269925 180369 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember if I have a name for that database query language of mine or not. < 1449269975 36157 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449269993 639783 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I name it after another El Goonish Shive character? Depends on how much I like their names... < 1449270032 57233 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1449270138 103946 :mihow_!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449270148 58555 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1449270161 945273 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: do you wanna play my rpg lol < 1449270185 784172 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-71.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449270195 123195 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449270195 370825 :mihow_!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :mihow < 1449270277 151362 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449270313 434791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :348 with the trivial ASCII-based RLE in-between textgen and bzip2, and 316 with a very arbitrary shorthand notation that nobody could really be expected to come up with without hints; and neither of those are quite enough. < 1449270416 474725 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :closer though :) < 1449270421 724641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, the 316 number was a screw-up; the 348 should be legit, though. < 1449270432 754812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I've bothered to verify what I did was reversible. < 1449270514 176297 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you send me the 316 version? < 1449270519 919104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :QlpoOTFBWSZTWYCtfOcAAAoaAAALf+UACjABWQgRT8JpBJGFDTTAAJT0SSNJiE+H08VGuRKw70g6u2SPdgiqN45Kx1ojwcqXdRt2w1Mju7LjSQDZ8S8SBBpFApADnZtaW9m1VS79Nx8dazs77c1ezQruynSqJjQ5MxxBynmRjpk2STRwB3ilmMKtn5mak5lh8Jr18rV2aRHdOAGHUrGMH8Grx+Zhm2mLvfFd3BrF889eeOIKjzoT7CYKiJi6705GxmNTt3NmckizpZmuXOkHmbIWj1SSReHCUiR4zU1I3xMIOwX1YCYiC+TDD04B8cOOB+02gfzHAw78/4u5IpwoSEBWvnOA < 1449270534 351530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the 348; like I said, the 316 was a screw-up. < 1449270563 69810 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, I thought you meant 348 brainfuck characters < 1449270575 3967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no; if that were the case, you'd be home free already. < 1449270631 307636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can trivially ancode 348 brainfuck characters into 174 printable ASCII symbols. < 1449270636 486334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/anc/enc/ < 1449270711 916869 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam QUIT :Quit: Newyorkadam < 1449270988 118045 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam JOIN :#esoteric < 1449271076 463967 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449271099 105124 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone wrote a lisp interpreter in brainfuck with tail recursion and here I am struggling to write a linked list < 1449271249 545062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: I'm tempted to suggest relying on the redundancies of English and compressing the quote itself by removing all vowels (and capitalization, because they're far away as far as ASCII goes). I've got an intelligible version down to 280, which is getting pretty close. < 1449271273 677717 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :could work < 1449271421 164613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A non-standard encoding (that used more printable characters than base64) would likely already be <= 270, but it'd be a bit hard to figure out. < 1449271609 111218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, textgen hummed it down to 276. < 1449271626 818589 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449271628 511722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :QlpoOTFBWSZTWaftZKUAAAgaAAALP+UACjABFsiIqf4mk0yiBDaTVAaASnpNUU8RqE15vtXEygcRLjKKEQcxJtVbV4CMEcWHDukaQlHtyBfr38fzxWGz63phed0mmAhE0egitL5ONwwLBPa47SOSee2Yo+pb1gTqQUu0eQKOUxOWYPdyg5rmRSh35nWcJ17yQcVXFNJTU3iW3csJRq8VpolqsFI653dSyMWRILyxNkRySY85mB2mHqC/qb568NMzCoftv+LuSKcKEhT9rJSg < 1449272947 252607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: Okay, I've got a 264-character output here (263, in fact, since the last character is just base64 padding that's quite safe to omit): < 1449272950 239049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :QlpoOTFBWSZTWZshv/UAAAaaAAALP+UACjAA9GBqn5GhGqaA1PaKgGQEmoKho9IVKLQnqRTAHDrVcBNSMAibLisOZiS/DAIITMgwZBhDmC4ObvH05WcfG4M3aKR8NoI+oLO5OfKWpne3GMbbZUypoXUEOKyA2O8iGQrNXDg03mdr3dRdBZ2cNPTEzVR7ZQo2ZuXKwzMaqZVumaZFKDLKbpbNRq+VkRxoVghxnkCHTBeMmIv3m3Ah+Z76/i7kinChITZDf+o= < 1449272965 138703 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1449272977 664903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should probably check that it actually generates something reasonable, though. < 1449272988 872391 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch i hope this girl genius act doesn't end with the obvious tragedy... < 1449273192 649045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newyorkadam: http://sprunge.us/JCbI -- seems to work, depending on whether you think the output is a close enough approximation. You might get closer with the same techniques with a bit more patience. < 1449273214 891383 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449273304 883500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to play around, http://sprunge.us/cfDW is what I was feeding the textgen.java outputs into for testing, although out of those four bzip2 was consistently the lowest-overhead one for this particular application. < 1449273616 117755 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted a more thought-out question here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34099489/printing-out-178-character-string-in-270-lines-of-brainfck < 1449273628 996662 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cool, thanks for all the help dude < 1449273918 363006 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, seems unlikely < 1449273982 192055 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hmms* lines? < 1449274128 341412 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i hope so, but having one of gil or tarvek die tragically _would_ be a "traditional" way to resolve the love triangle... < 1449274160 235795 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the untraditional way has already been lampshaded, of course, but whether the foglios actually dare to _use_ it...) < 1449274189 897482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I suppose Tarvek could get out and live while Gil gets stuck in the time bubble < 1449274209 466174 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the kind of twist the Foglios seem to love ;) < 1449274216 838271 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work because the dreen said gil will go to paris. < 1449274240 343386 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... right < 1449274252 227535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though did they say when?) < 1449274321 31595 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, gil showed up in the time windows, tarvek didn't. < 1449274363 885303 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tarvek dying would be disturbingly consistent. < 1449274403 56830 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. but why now... why not in Paris? < 1449274412 110524 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Agatha's arms, perhaps :P < 1449274416 5725 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1449274435 12247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway... we'll see. < 1449274446 148389 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, if he's not to die promptly _someone_ needs to get an antidote, stat < 1449274450 96215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I wonder whether we'll get to see another Paris strip this year... < 1449274499 460326 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there might be some twist in _who's_ attacking. maybe they actually came to warn them... < 1449274502 882846 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or amputate the head quickly enough :P < 1449274511 599973 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Hmm, tricky. But I've seen worse.") < 1449274553 686951 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would rather hamper tarvek's bid for the storm king post... (he _has_ been dead already but it's not common knowledge.) < 1449274747 686969 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as has agatha, but the castle decides _that_ family's inheritance rules. < 1449274864 454878 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they suspect something, they might keep him in a time envelope like they did with vole < 1449274884 470371 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :until they find out how to cure it < 1449274919 469813 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fdwefizentulgluc JOIN :#esoteric < 1449274919 851428 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if he'll ever get used to this stupid hard disk's parking sound < 1449274947 150704 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with a simple click (i used to find _those_ annoying too...) < 1449275128 397837 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the service documents say what brand of hard disk it is... < 1449275241 457231 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe it's actually in this menu < 1449275323 971794 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449275380 613799 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend of mine submitted a paper to arxiv with a typo in its title < 1449275477 137678 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often does it happen? < 1449275489 258656 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/1512.00766 < 1449275797 278891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :entering wrong metadata can't be that uncommon... I expect it can easily be fixed... < 1449275822 913958 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to submit a new version < 1449276106 930047 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Do fish get thirsty? < 1449276301 806244 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1449277485 514655 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hgst.com/products/hard-drives/travelstar-z5k500 "quiet operation" < 1449277527 184395 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the power management settings in windows say it'll only be turned off after 20 minutes. this happens far more often. < 1449277583 81881 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes this will be fixed in the heap of windows updates that are waiting to be installed... < 1449278291 118884 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1449278299 918696 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1449279637 893322 :andrew!~andrew@14.152.94.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449279745 554565 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heloerjan < 1449279783 172192 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :try changing it to 30 minutes < 1449279821 724054 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fail to see how that would help when it's parking several times a minute. < 1449279827 520263 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*winding down < 1449279854 211180 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam QUIT :Quit: Newyorkadam < 1449279856 136391 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it might be an idea to change it just to see if something gets set... < 1449279907 637494 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts it at 21 < 1449279928 750290 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there it wound down again. < 1449279944 563792 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure that it's in minutes and not seconds? < 1449279954 661305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449279958 51279 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite sure. < 1449279977 778322 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :try 1000 minutes < 1449279995 373937 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1449279999 713923 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1449280056 567293 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose getting the units in the driver wrong is silly enough to be plausible... except i doubt it's the hard disk driver that counts those minutes... < 1449280096 134736 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well getting the units wrong in windows itself would be even sillier, i guess < 1449280237 374943 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, did it again < 1449280253 860733 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1000 / 60 < 1449280255 278894 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16.666666666666668 < 1449280264 123715 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1449280271 96308 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(took a long time before the next disk pause, but then only 5-10 secs until winding down < 1449280274 3168 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1449280302 306183 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1449280326 53088 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure the disk isn't defective < 1449280345 478002 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the disk is new. i suppose it could be... < 1449280357 51662 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what happens if you try disabling disk parking < 1449280368 270161 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to do that. < 1449280405 415717 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also parking shouldn't be the same as winding down like this :( < 1449280449 644832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I change the setting for font smoothing in Firefox in Linux? < 1449280484 31267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of my other programs do not use antialiasing and cleartype and I want to disable it on Firefox too < 1449280671 428276 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why would you want to disable antialiasing ._. < 1449280677 732335 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit the hdd driver is supposedly already up to date < 1449280762 734498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want all programs to use bitmap fonts by default < 1449280825 993368 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam JOIN :#esoteric < 1449280918 996945 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :antialiasing is crap that's why < 1449280957 642014 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fonts should be designed to fit the screen without being blurry < 1449281082 179652 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your fonts are blurry then you need more hinting xD < 1449281095 86676 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hinting doesn't do shit < 1449281100 787433 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does for me < 1449281103 300255 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone else < 1449281156 295361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found in /etc/fonts/conf.d and I deleted 70-no-bitmaps.conf and 10-antialias.conf from that directory; it doesn't seem to affect Firefox? < 1449281210 762293 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: no, most people are just used to looking at blurry text < 1449281255 105609 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449281413 662308 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, with hinting + AA http://i.imgur.com/zXM3ZVg.png, no hinting (really blurry) http://i.imgur.com/YNTsVYS.png, no AA http://i.imgur.com/EYvYhwa.png < 1449281425 368471 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hinting and AA make it much more readable TBH :/ < 1449281433 937893 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449281489 422598 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also im using subpixel smoothing, normal AA is blurry < 1449281519 788694 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hola <-- darn no one remembered to `bienvenido? < 1449281548 51034 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: like I said, you're using a badly designed font and then compensating by using antialiasing and subpixel rendering. < 1449281593 379944 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you antialias a square peg to fit in a round hole? < 1449281596 789012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you are trying to use a printer font on the screen improperly < 1449281631 306361 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use a font that is designed to fit exactly into the pixel grid, then antialiasing will make it look worse, not better < 1449281864 965005 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame Microsoft < 1449281951 532552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not using Microsoft; it is Mozilla < 1449282022 47949 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? Have you turned off Cleartype? < 1449282108 953575 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: for a good example of a font that fits into pixel grids exaclty, compare MS PMincho (pixel perfect) to Times New Roman (Requires AA) < 1449282139 563090 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about different text scales? < 1449282220 689002 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a font is already pixel perfect, it would look the same with hinting? < 1449282250 170701 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually fonts like PMincho contain several sets of bitmaps for common smaller sizes, plus vector paths for large sizes < 1449282362 171542 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: no, what they usually do is use a flag in the TTF or OTF format that tells the renderer specifically NOT to anti-alias the font at small sizes < 1449282392 238894 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whats the issue with having AA and hinting? < 1449282392 400890 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :without that flag, it will blur it < 1449282427 534181 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it's the wrong solution to the problem < 1449282436 803882 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see how < 1449282479 799053 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without it most of my fonts look like shit and are really choppy < 1449282487 200762 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bemvindo < 1449282504 149844 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most of your fonts are not designed for a computer screen < 1449282512 971627 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449282521 13927 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the font designers had time to make their fonts look good at all scales without AA they would < 1449282540 11088 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese font designers have time < 1449282561 290835 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProofTechnique: i don't think we have a portuguese version yet? < 1449282567 435109 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have time to do it for 1000's of kanji for that matter < 1449282640 519344 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-. so? < 1449282649 908898 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt make my fonts more readable < 1449282661 447002 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :subpixel smoothing and hinting do < 1449282667 317393 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1449282685 986842 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless someone can redesign every single font < 1449282696 223921 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they work better at smaller sizes < 1449282859 299848 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, all I'm saying is in Japan subpixel smoothing is not used at all in the most common fonts. Dunno about Korea or China but I would suspect the same. < 1449282952 977090 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to http://www.asahi.com/ for example. Do you see subpixel smoothing on that page? I sure don't. < 1449283018 511623 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it would be possible to read that with subpixel smoothing < 1449283148 595504 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the banner with ノーベル賞 < 1449283148 794360 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS < 1449283148 956711 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :米銃乱射事件 < 1449283148 956790 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COP21 < 1449283148 956824 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :児童虐待の現場から < 1449283158 427869 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has subpixel smoothing < 1449283177 535523 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for spam, sneaky newlines < 1449283268 399903 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is quite difficult to read. Even worse in my client :( < 1449283271 251099 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rzpqdxccojdzdgpp QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449283290 348319 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you're right < 1449283307 926562 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else is crisp though < 1449283328 879358 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :勝,戦,頂 would be impossible to read without AA, the lack of subpixel smoothing on the larger sized text makes it blurry < 1449283343 981078 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, looks blurry for me < 1449283356 604569 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1449283383 57895 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449283434 589186 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/VJs0Qsg.png < 1449283480 237800 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oi63.tinypic.com/t6tgf8.jpg < 1449283516 886525 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate tinypic < 1449283536 488931 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1449283587 164088 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of fonts, does anyone have a good tool to convert a PCF into a TTF or something? < 1449283611 907405 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6+ adverisements, popups everywhere, that link isnt an actual .jpg unless you give it a referer header < 1449283618 377174 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimg.org/image/km8tpxpf9/ < 1449283621 693063 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has taken over 60s for the image to load < 1449283661 485635 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you have AA disabled < 1449283670 184232 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1449283693 340211 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the font < 1449283721 608983 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the font has AA but not subpixel < 1449283726 954983 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me < 1449283728 999036 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1449283748 489122 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1449283777 31594 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The font has flags set that way < 1449283832 404295 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my system is ignoring them? < 1449283864 156609 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the term for when you discover something and get stuck reading it for hours? < 1449283882 502251 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's prbably ignoring the GASP table, or you don't have the MS PMincho font < 1449283901 833163 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/gasp.htm < 1449283936 200559 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is https://esolangs.org/forum/ < 1449283941 554596 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why is it so bad < 1449283961 257602 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1449284025 120863 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: archive binge hth < 1449284063 721070 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the forum has been dead since 2009 < 1449284095 323434 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should re make it xD < 1449284129 906246 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: it's just an archive now, it got so much more spam than actual posts that we just closed it when elliott took over the wiki < 1449284165 78876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449284166 621285 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is elliott anyway? < 1449284168 182218 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :remaking it seems doomed since there's no reason it would be different now < 1449284194 663845 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott lost interest in the channel and left < 1449284206 653818 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how so < 1449284228 36543 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think captchas have been invented now < 1449284229 419863 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: it's not the first esoforum to die, the mailing lists did so before < 1449284270 850063 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the forum now is the talk pages < 1449284271 231814 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's /r/esolangs on reddit btw, it's almost but not quite dead < 1449284295 155141 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which have the advantage that hackego announces each change here < 1449284296 919158 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, im thinking of making a website designed to teach people esolangs < 1449284316 445241 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like hackthissite but challenges with esolangs < 1449284339 613566 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1449284346 653239 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: archive binge is for the activity < 1449284355 206592 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait < 1449284356 385654 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1449284361 179559 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is subject/object < 1449284364 474650 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I archive binge a comic < 1449284370 753913 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comic ?????es me < 1449284400 492635 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i don't know < 1449284412 984305 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449284432 127467 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also wikiwalk for another instance < 1449284640 849370 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well there's "draw ... in" i guess < 1449284669 197111 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/coins < 1449284679 548386 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords < 1449284689 905933 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} < 1449284695 482389 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saligeter fla 1ml difying hangoint fetie ravi monsta mal frea catchdndh teme bearj tript nanegle tbf antinar veliul goul montiner < 1449284708 320285 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of a name for my database query language based on category theory. < 1449284722 617212 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :catabase < 1449284786 358526 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :REL is the category of relations iirc hth < 1449284905 664546 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-saexjxtkmdanevze JOIN :#esoteric < 1449285348 35217 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh the disk winding down seems to have stopped. < 1449285379 2307 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now there's some clicking instead. i guess this is not a good sign... < 1449285444 807079 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changes the windows setting down from 1000 mins to 21 mins again, just in case... < 1449285627 969178 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, I kind of want to just think of an arbitrary word and stick a Q in it. < 1449285744 974659 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: get a new computer < 1449285761 507124 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queece. Quines. Qrew. Quendy. < 1449285796 88874 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qonstellation. Quirthmark. < 1449285854 591503 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quins. Quaternal. < 1449285863 230013 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qualls. < 1449285868 650650 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anyone see the trend here?) < 1449285871 869977 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Query < 1449285892 1689 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I like it. It's like a portmanteau of "query" and "query". < 1449285952 430734 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. Quack. Queen. Quellow. Qued. Quue. < 1449286005 996949 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: erm i just got this back from the repair shop, the hdd is new as i said. < 1449286018 382283 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I'm ready to just start trying arbitrary meaningless words. < 1449286034 261351 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the winding down came back. < 1449286115 647144 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quaniel. < 1449286136 65433 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queel. < 1449286145 814182 :andrew!~andrew@14.152.94.19 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449286162 488930 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, how about... Qone? < 1449286636 986235 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1449286755 468967 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quendle? I like the way that sounds. < 1449286764 465142 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ this is terrifying. Fontforge does not autotrace well at small sizes < 1449286844 633059 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. It'll do. < 1449286854 875742 :andrew!~andrew@59.38.97.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449286864 269785 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1449287231 368167 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :here this is the autotraced version http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemowtf.htm < 1449287245 757036 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to e confused with fontdemo.htm < 1449287344 966024 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, autotracing it in a normal way makes it a halloween font < 1449287386 285506 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I have my complex procedure < 1449287766 890614 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :shortest someone can get “”See you in another life, brotha!" - Desmond Humes” in brainfuck? < 1449288262 296062 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve gotten it to 305 < 1449288264 287840 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this program did < 1449288458 345305 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1449289178 567906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made calculation of the first, second, and third derivative of Bezier curves. < 1449289434 453944 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1449289456 716405 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449290220 157238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it means, if the jerk is zero then the middle control point have the same direction as the end point from each other but only one third of the distance < 1449290461 576225 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam QUIT :Quit: Newyorkadam < 1449290560 58532 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I am interested in writing an interpreted language, should I learn java? I see a LOT of mentionings of java in interpreters. < 1449290689 122158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to use Java; there are other programming languages to use < 1449290721 449832 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleartpye really screws things up when background: green; color: fuchsia; < 1449290769 918278 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just curious as I see java everywhere while looking at languages. Must jut be a very very commonly used language. < 1449290822 364375 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the lingua franca among the younger generation of application coders < 1449290849 23605 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm weird in multiple ways. 18 and I main C. < 1449290851 884984 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially those trained at school < 1449290913 511299 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write C++ for my job < 1449290945 549263 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, what type of applications do you make in C++ < 1449290963 951845 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I work on the backend of Hound < 1449290996 153961 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.soundhound.com/hound <-- this < 1449291065 159160 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned to code on my own and didn't take courses until university, so I didn't learn much java < 1449291113 801834 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To an acceptable degree I know C, C++, Perl, VB, Python, and PHP. < 1449291127 749002 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and C# < 1449291134 239417 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :First language I touched was java, because I was lazy and tired of manually doing time dialation calculations. Also, I'm having issues finding sources for 4DL, any tips? < 1449291166 282025 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see a benefit in having to go to a university in order to learn programming, since i already know C++, C, Lua, PHP, GLSL, OpenCL < 1449291196 887593 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on using dat arm/thumb in real world robotics < 1449291222 561943 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam JOIN :#esoteric < 1449291268 306184 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really dont like java < 1449291273 671720 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made sure to take a lot of math, rather than CS, in uni, that way I learned more. (My degree was still in CS) < 1449291297 34657 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. I took advanced calculus and number theory < 1449291301 544667 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i could be better at math < 1449291337 542632 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i still havent used anything more complicated than trig for physics and simulation programs < 1449291417 123162 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cost/benefit of a university degree is getting worse and worse < 1449291442 906212 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1449291493 373572 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I've told younger friends of mine: don't get a degree unless your parents are paying. < 1449291498 450725 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially a CS degree is useless if you dont know the programming language the job requires < 1449291577 111536 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: I'm not so sure, when I got my first job I told them flatly I dodn't know any PHP, but apparently I'm the only one applied who could write a working program in any language... < 1449291579 527458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I program in C and BASIC and TeX and 6502 assembly language < 1449291603 752633 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they hired me and I spent the first week learning php < 1449291607 961921 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 asm :o not many people do that anymore < 1449291622 166085 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do, for modding NES games < 1449291645 794996 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahah, you guys seem way out of my league. I was considering getting some assembly practice in (i do some smali programming, assembly isn't far off) < 1449291670 112674 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, i did PHP when i was 13/14 xD it seems to be getting worse and worse the more i look back at it < 1449291708 472990 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and also a few months ago modding PHPBB < 1449291715 366801 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is horrible and I was very glad when summer and that contract ended < 1449291850 778210 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.. how hard is it to write an interpreter for an existing language? < 1449291894 978885 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the language. if it has a clear definition then pretty easy < 1449291919 324886 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/4DL < 1449292125 952011 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be ok. < 1449292142 658964 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah pretty easy < 1449292348 486793 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the source for one (that doesnt seem to work) in c++, im skimming it and it doesn't seem too hard. Just new. < 1449292380 418862 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam QUIT :Quit: Newyorkadam < 1449292510 27645 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449292641 632566 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam JOIN :#esoteric < 1449292680 467904 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449292787 945832 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449292855 573173 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :new xkcd < 1449292880 675916 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, I rerely have a cold that last more than 2 days < 1449292957 700811 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to do in brainfuck in 324 characters what a program did in 302!! < 1449293077 862425 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it do? < 1449293244 943175 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :prints out “See ya in another life, brotha!" - Desmond Hume” < 1449293252 316627 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :just realized if forgot the comma.. < 1449293343 125436 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. I made a program in befunge-98 (1903 characters) that does **basically** the same thing a program i made in C (2254 characters) does < 1449293430 40965 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam QUIT :Quit: Newyorkadam < 1449295045 744604 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449295489 10319 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449295501 340058 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PART :#esoteric < 1449295534 999065 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449295610 131346 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungegolfing! < 1449296177 344110 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i wonder if the inventor of su doku was envisioning a 3x3x3x3 4-cube. i wonder if the original notes said "every axis-aligned hyperplane slices through exactly the digits 1-9 in some order" < 1449298278 69169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karplusan Forest will damage you immediately and City of Brass will damage you later so you still get a chance to do other stuff. Isn't it? < 1449300043 2633 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: a command line sudoku game which sits in the login shell of the user `doku` so that `su doku` runs it < 1449300056 150260 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(credit goes to quintopia) < 1449300293 772603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK, do that < 1449301228 635932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up several more Magic: the Gathering cards as well as a new puzzle. < 1449301962 631442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use " dd cbs=1 conv=unblock 2> /dev/null | tr \\n +" instead of "utftovlq 8w | tr \\0 +" < 1449302197 969017 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( i feel like every time i join a community there is nobody on my skill level < 1449305662 136234 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449306492 979911 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1449306755 156488 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449308009 816323 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449308453 633956 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449308846 894164 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449308972 825756 :Guest74908!~sprocklem@131.104.23.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449310682 942346 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449310996 697510 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449312069 94878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449316711 120105 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fdwefizentulgluc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1449316732 728242 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449316732 890212 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1449316732 890273 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449317351 717264 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449318426 800392 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449319109 478358 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449319731 695515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mobile phone is like an old video game. there's a menu where if I enter the menu and start scrolling it rightaway, it scrolls slow, but if I instead wait a few deciseconds and then start scrolling, it scrolls much faster, so the latter is faster if I want to move enough. < 1449321907 656134 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45783&oldid=45782 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */ < 1449322768 132718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that was quick. < 1449322776 655749 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what I messed up < 1449324222 800704 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449324297 489653 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1449324297 651619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 23h 30m 49s ago: Never! < 1449325821 388633 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449325970 997321 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449325987 748485 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449326503 189687 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449326604 935871 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_hello_jonas! < 1449326608 923638 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449326647 767791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren < 1449326669 404414 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added 龍根案梅械植業極様標横橋機残殺毒波泣注泳 < 1449326670 43164 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :洋流浅浴消深清灯然焼照熱 < 1449326677 877278 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449326743 200063 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily < 1449326751 899441 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: can't watch now, I'm busy doing real life stuff < 1449326770 392086 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan, b_jhellonas, he\\oren\! < 1449326789 247989 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: progressing through the kyōiku? < 1449326789 409946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mesing up my computer and stuff like that < 1449326797 726646 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers are real life. < 1449326812 506894 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: eaxcty < 1449327924 38108 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on the contour extraction, for the preparation of the real font < 1449327944 704810 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly speaking that's annoying than drawing glyphs :S < 1449328057 14137 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449328115 554089 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449328122 207122 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heverywellone. < 1449328168 970551 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm calling my language Quendle for the time being. < 1449328175 767193 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswelcomett < 1449328197 928650 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yørjan. < 1449328789 789524 :andrew!~andrew@59.38.97.7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449329043 156400 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate printers < 1449330467 127475 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@131.104.23.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449330491 384968 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@131.104.23.9 NICK :Guest81266 < 1449330681 146139 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: have you anointed your printer with the blood of your enemies? filled its ink cartridges with dark ichor from abyssal depths? turned it off and on again? < 1449331061 289976 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took out the ink and did the ink shaking dance, that got it working < 1449331112 430642 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1449331162 543911 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you use a pentagram for dancing in < 1449331222 311997 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm poisonous ink... < 1449331258 706706 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: now i'm imagining tech support for supervillains < 1449331313 840571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pentagram with candles, and an altar stained with the blood of previous sacrifices? < 1449331371 230604 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm disappointed by a lack of youtube hits < 1449331533 642665 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly encouraged by getting this hit from "necromancer tech support" http://necrodancer.com/faq.php < 1449331883 408584 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :龍根案梅械植業極様標横橋機残殺毒波泣注泳 < 1449331927 339202 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid cut buffer < 1449332364 439312 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opfajrrauzzqzele QUIT :Read error: Network is unreachable < 1449332404 786190 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wgewpzhimipkeeyv JOIN :#esoteric < 1449332728 314095 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449332887 151052 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449333734 115108 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449333804 622989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy saturday boily < 1449334307 600868 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesnt http://esolangs.org/wiki/MATL show up on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Golfing_language ? Neither does Seriously. < 1449334373 306529 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's that old caching bug < 1449334429 723476 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both show up for me. < 1449334443 689467 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well on https, and i'm logged in. < 1449334447 422518 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1449334490 932976 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shows up logged in over http and https < 1449334498 469051 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't show up logged out on either < 1449334505 602414 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i see 11 when logged in, but only 5 without < 1449334580 350541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Category:Golfing language14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45784&oldid=44566 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10ye olde caching bug workaround < 1449334599 357017 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, try now < 1449334637 715864 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, it might be the same with severals categories < 1449334640 897936 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s < 1449335234 440561 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. do anonymous users get cached versions? < 1449335242 206771 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1449335282 357016 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is/was a bug for Categories where they don't get recached unless you edit the category page itself < 1449335310 200232 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i suppose it must still be there, since those languages are new < 1449335355 410185 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask fizzie any idea how to fix the category caching bug on the wiki? see logs. < 1449335355 572152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449335691 542959 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinsatopiarday! < 1449336087 509600 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 86400 "" < 1449336090 267198 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "15180" < 1449336593 903241 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Alas. < 1449336643 675786 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1449336839 979954 :jaboja64!~jaboja@83.20.113.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449337031 113597 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449337079 431042 :jaboja64!~jaboja@83.20.113.49 NICK :jaboja < 1449337339 889661 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449338200 791651 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-179-104.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449338287 809208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No idea. Is this some sort of a know MediaWiki thing? < 1449338310 30410 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1449338330 384860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been a bit lax in updating the soft ware, but I'll get to that one of these days. < 1449338388 480900 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoken like a true sysadmin. < 1449338423 971873 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: québécois word of the day: "amodné" (subjective spelling). < 1449338447 275544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, based on some quick browsing, it sounds like it's our use of $wgUseFileCache = true; which is self-admittedly "simplistic". < 1449338629 478534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least could be. The documentation says special pages aren't cached, but maybe categories aren't special. < 1449338966 475033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't find any caches on the server, though. < 1449338980 61012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other than some js/css stuff.) < 1449338993 563927 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is that pronounced something like /amodne/? < 1449339016 799031 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've discussed this bug before, maybe ais523 remembers something. < 1449339094 583975 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category#Adding_a_category_by_using_a_template "When you edit an article to add a category tag directly, the list of category members is updated immediately when the page is saved." < 1449339106 263304 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's clearly not _supposed_ to work this way in general. < 1449339108 103335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there they are. < 1449339191 356197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache/4/44/Category%3AGolfing_language.html says "This page was last modified on 5 December 2015, at 16:55" and "The following 11 pages are in this category, out of 11 total." < 1449339194 836895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's up to date. < 1449339227 651692 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what does that mean? < 1449339239 593516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you/someone did something manual to make it refresh. < 1449339265 116548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any other examples of stale categories I could check for in the file cache? < 1449339310 203591 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: past participle of "amodner". < 1449339337 356172 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, i used a "null edit" on that particular page. < 1449339364 275821 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it is possible that a Purge would have been enough, if i had remembered it. < 1449339426 64773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache/e/ea/Category%3AStack-based.html doesn't contain MATL, and says "This page was last modified on 13 February 2006, at 14:44." < 1449339427 685228 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Stack-based < 1449339436 840754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got there a bit ahead of you. < 1449339443 993393 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1449339473 462154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it seems like it's quite wrong. Incidentally, how stale is it -- how many entries there are logged in? < 1449339487 127726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(171 in the cached one.) < 1449339521 313451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, there's even a comment < 1449339572 884122 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that recently? then it must occasionally get cached... < 1449339576 668918 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*recached < 1449339581 585892 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :without an edit. < 1449339616 81879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's supposed to work; there's some stuff about invalidation in the docs. < 1449339624 463434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:File_cache#category_pages_in_cache_do_not_get_updated -- but other people have had problems with it. < 1449339650 465982 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1449339656 78017 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1449339661 493301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a &action=purge workaround mentioned, but not whether it's fixed in some version. < 1449339677 694657 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: close, but very not quite :D < 1449339693 449079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both linked-to bug reports are still open. < 1449339723 890222 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1449339724 564654 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: a butchered conflagration of "à un moment donné": "at a given moment". figuratively "eventually", probably close to inch'allah. < 1449339752 936052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, one was closed as a dupe of the first one. < 1449339846 250626 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar MATL < 1449339846 607531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1449339916 914706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1449339917 157690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 051820Z AUTO 22017KT 9999 BKN023 13/08 Q1016 NOSIG < 1449339926 806056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so bizarre, 13 degrees in December. < 1449340011 18544 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI < 1449340011 267812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 051820Z VRB01KT CAVOK 01/M01 Q1032 NOSIG < 1449340012 761123 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disgusting! < 1449340018 842210 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's outrageous! < 1449340021 198544 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you're talking about. < 1449340021 616062 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1449340021 853430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 051800Z 24016KT 15SM OVC023 06/01 A3061 RMK SC8 SLP366 < 1449340039 183500 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oqfhdcnphujfkazo JOIN :#esoteric < 1449340210 509771 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i see some mention of simply deleting the cached category files < 1449340314 516144 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449340347 301962 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello all. I'm trying to shorten the following brainfuck code and was wondering if there was a way to do it < 1449340352 321262 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++++[>++++>++++++++++>++++++++++++>+++++++++++++>++++++++++++++>+++++++++++++++<<<<<<-] < 1449340384 256967 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that made by bf_txtgen < 1449340467 869686 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. myself < 1449340525 968986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, I assume I could do that every now and then as a crummy workaround. < 1449340580 431753 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry, wasn't meant for me < 1449340590 39837 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaw600: yes it was < 1449340606 976626 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks very much similar to what bf_txtgen puts at the beginning < 1449340616 760160 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, world! < 1449340618 204730 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? then no, it wasn't made by a textgen. By me < 1449340626 878297 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​125 +++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++++++>+++++>+<<<<-]>.>++.+++++++..+++.>-.------------.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>+.>+. [836] < 1449340674 363787 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean. I studied Wikipedia's Hello World and based it off of that so the general idea's the same but it was by me < 1449340682 615374 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 8*length"+++++++++++++++" < 1449340684 539663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 120 < 1449340737 117883 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaw600: o hai! you should use multiplication tables. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants < 1449340786 670489 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't think that's going to be shorter for initializing several cells < 1449340809 123901 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... something like >++++>++++++>++>+>+>+[[<+>>++++++++<-]<]> ? < 1449340842 608770 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's an infinite loop < 1449340879 48109 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaw600: you could try experimenting with making the initial ++++++++ a different length (say twice as long). although int-e looks like he has a smarter idea. < 1449340880 968721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on how exactly it needs to be equivalent, a nested ++++++++++[->+>+>+>+<<<<-]>++>+++>++++>+++++ replacing some of ++++++++++>++++++++++++>+++++++++++++>++++++++++++++>+++++++++++++++<<<< might be worth it. < 1449340882 781139 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I think it'd be longer to use that for initializing several cells, but thanks :) < 1449340901 600640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't mind a gap. < 1449340905 596673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foodtime. -> < 1449340912 200786 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks fizzie < 1449340948 608262 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as equivalencies go, I just need the contents of the cells to be the same, but the actual position doesn't need to be fixed < 1449341133 321947 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that I'd need 8*4, 8*10, and then 8*12...8*15. The order in which those appear is not as important to me < 1449341194 419562 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 80 < 1449341195 858831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'P' < 1449341315 92848 :jaboja!~jaboja@83.20.113.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449341347 539989 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i think int-e is on the right track < 1449341361 235945 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e? < 1449341376 49312 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmmm... something like >++++>++++++>++>+>+>+[[<+>>++++++++<-]<]> ? < 1449341382 717145 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@151.42.4.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449341421 167956 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sun is up. time to sleep. < 1449341426 981835 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :night boily < 1449341449 922188 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >++++>++++++>++>+>+>+[[<+>>++++++++<-]<]>[.>] < 1449341450 940095 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1449341452 670084 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>++++>++++++>++>+>+>+>+[<]>>[<[>+<<++++++++>-]>>]<<<[<] actually produces the right numbers, but the [<] in there are silly. < 1449341454 524310 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1449341457 485701 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia. no? < 1449341466 210900 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you stay up all night without me? < 1449341515 736990 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. I slept a full 8 hours as usual. but I need a nap :) < 1449341525 410252 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well he said he didn't mind the order, so you could reverse them < 1449341534 930283 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do a very good job of leaving when i get here EVERY DAMN DAY < 1449341541 793009 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD NIGHT < 1449341549 176326 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'LL BE BACH. < 1449341551 606766 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :K < 1449341559 441035 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I like the order as is since it's in my order anyway, but yeah, the order itself itself isn't as important. thanks int-e :) < 1449341561 769767 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: VASCULAR CHICKEN < 1449341596 35449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>+>+>+>+>++>++++++>++++<[>[<+>>++++++++<-]<<]>>> produces the same numbers in reverse order and places the pointer on the 8*15 < 1449341618 208487 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a long time since this channel was BFgolf < 1449341682 548144 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a really good program for producing fairly short versions of various strings (not perfect, but better than bf_txtgen in most cases) < 1449341689 38108 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a hunch flaw600 might want to start on the 8*10 < 1449341735 629192 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I do actually, thanks oerjan. But thanks you two. I was trying to get something like that (the >+>+>+ thing) but I'm new to bf so I couldn't figure it out < 1449341759 427413 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks int-e :) < 1449341767 920994 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well int-e did most of the thinking because i'm too lazy :) < 1449341796 399643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the sequence of numbers? < 1449341807 271745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry i'm too lazy to multiply) < 1449341812 849928 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: there's a program? I haven't seen one that bests what I'd written in terms of code length. Would you mind linking me? That said, I like doing stuff outside of generators cause it helps me learn < 1449341835 983543 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 32, 80, 96, 104, 112, 120 < 1449341837 67933 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask But will you be J.S. or P.D.Q.? < 1449341837 229830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449341844 870579 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boily But will you be J.S. or P.D.Q.? < 1449341845 32466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449341845 380465 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (chr . (8*)) [4,10,12,13,14,15] < 1449341847 150941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : " P`hpx" < 1449341854 91686 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1449341855 696353 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1449341860 616636 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Peter Schickele < 1449342015 66875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaw600: http://www.49-6-dev.net/downloads/bfcompopowpit.zip < 1449342030 953479 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1449342131 279401 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool thanks. What I'm trying to print out is "This language is easy!!!" but I'm trying to do it w/o a generator b/c a) I haven't seen one that bests 206 (well, now 171) and two, I'm trying to learn and imo it's hard to understand something you didn't write yourself < 1449342156 757681 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks int-e for the help :) < 1449342290 330856 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that file apparently doesn't open? < 1449342334 55772 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1449342345 324130 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's a corrupted file? < 1449342441 104891 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449342815 11715 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any rate, I really appreciate the help all. At the very least, it's helped me understand pointers a lot better (you all and brainfuck in general) < 1449343065 374956 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449343624 805552 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++[>++++<-]>[>+++++>++++++>+++++++>++<<<<-]>++++.>++++++++.+.>+++.>.<-------.<--------.>++.<++++++.>+++++++.<------.++++++.--.>>.<<++++.>--.>.<<----.----.>.++++++.>+... < 1449343625 227420 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language is easy!!! < 1449343874 598257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lucky me, that's 170 characters) < 1449343923 68598 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449344019 793218 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what'd you do that with? yourself or a generator? < 1449344025 941291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myself < 1449344030 816295 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1449344035 361769 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert49.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449344055 231052 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is now: < 1449344056 375453 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>++++>++++++>++>+>+>+>+[<]>>[<[>+<<++++++++>-]>>]<<<[<]>>++++.>>.+.>+++.<<<<.>>>+++.<+.>++.<++++++.>>++.<<------.++++++.--.<<.>>++++.>>--.<<<<.>>----.----.>>.>+.<<<<<+... < 1449344072 813655 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the idea that perhaps 6 cells are too many) < 1449344087 191234 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh idc about performance < 1449344098 255824 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>++++>++++++>++>+>+>+>+[<]>>[<[>+<<++++++++>-]>>]<<<[<]>>++++.>>.+.>+++.<<<<.>>>+++.<+.>++.<++++++.>>++.<<------.++++++.--.<<.>>++++.>>--.<<<<.>>----.----.>>.>+.<<<<<+... < 1449344098 419393 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language is easy!!! < 1449344146 631347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a trade-off: Using more cells means larger initialization code and more characters used for traveling (< and >)... it's not clear what the best choice is. < 1449344157 274373 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1449344180 523299 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but given the 1 char diff idrc. thanks though :) < 1449344196 559154 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like our code is fairly similar apart from the table initialization < 1449344237 330484 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. there's not much room for using loops here < 1449344245 669166 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1449344313 566875 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so you did 16 instead of 8? < 1449344380 795056 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's another trade-off. < 1449344411 421905 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(worse granularity, but fewer pluses inside the second loop) < 1449344419 768569 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. more plusses and minuses when getting to the right ASCII character right? < 1449344427 533287 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1449344506 40569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[>+<+++]>. < 1449344506 420738 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :U < 1449344526 872492 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some more tricks like this that one could try (relying on overflow) < 1449344527 419148 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of ironic for BF to teach pointers, seeing as how it doesn't have any. < 1449344628 719458 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it doesn't but it explains the concept to me better than a c/C++ class/book < 1449344642 710394 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1449344666 507804 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program i linked (if it can be made to unzip and run) basically optimizes over number of cells and difference between cells to see which one gives the shortest source < 1449344702 24111 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: cool. I'll take a look at some point, but I wanna feel some pride in my code this time around :p < 1449344723 250399 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world is basic but teaches a lot :p < 1449344783 676565 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ironically code.sh uses 'pointers' :p < 1449344790 527010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I wanted to write a hello world program with fewer than 300 characters so I had to learn about loops..." < 1449344810 285487 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. lol < 1449344826 852956 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, which 10-character brainfuck program runs . the greatest number of times? < 1449344830 371615 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my fault that bf is ultra verbose < 1449344831 936007 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1449344851 932313 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume there are infinitely many cells, each holds a byte, you can't input, and going to the left of the initial cell causes the program to stab you in the face. < 1449344868 678391 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to copy input to output: ,[.,] is hard to beat < 1449344889 763472 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "unless" do you mean "if"? < 1449344927 112185 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so; I was refering to "bf is ultra verbose" < 1449344952 137348 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*referring < 1449344959 505360 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I meant compared to higher level languages < 1449344971 746625 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world is a lot shorter in HLLs < 1449345007 155698 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but admitedly, BF isn't always verobse < 1449345063 922290 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1449345071 913035 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's this cute Haskell program: < 1449345074 462367 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=interact id < 1449345139 447069 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/rm' > bin/you-can-only-run-this-once < 1449345145 970562 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/you-can-only-run-this-once < 1449345147 109906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449345149 427232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449345171 814252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` chmod -w bin/you-can-only-run-this-once < 1449345172 772507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449345182 337345 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh crap. < 1449345200 643446 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/rm -f' > bin/you-can-only-run-this-once < 1449345201 502491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: bin/you-can-only-run-this-once: Permission denied < 1449345209 279192 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm right. < 1449345209 534207 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1449345286 365601 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: also, what about symlinking the program? < 1449345303 243514 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know what that does. < 1449345318 819789 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/echo' > bin/echo-this < 1449345321 384673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449345328 717995 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s echo-this bin/echo-that < 1449345331 350422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449345332 800684 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo-this < 1449345333 648330 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/echo-this: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/echo-this: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1449345340 662163 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/echo-this < 1449345341 297287 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone explain symlinking? I've never understood that really beyond how TM uses it < 1449345343 279290 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449345344 616002 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo-this < 1449345345 479595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/echo-this < 1449345347 724845 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo-that < 1449345348 680749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/echo-that < 1449345406 966189 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaw600: well, a symbolic link is pretty much just a text file containing a filename. The special thing about it is that when you ask Linux to open up a symbolic link, it will generally pretend you asked it to open up the target file instead. < 1449345418 159808 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaw600: I don't get the question. "symlink" is a contraction of "symbolic link", which is a reference on a file system to another file (or directory) by name. < 1449345429 558093 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ah ok. thanks :) < 1449345432 393984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't get the TM there) < 1449345454 642059 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Time Machine. I know that's how TM saves backup space but I didn't really understand how it worked < 1449345467 403511 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I just told Linux to run /hackenv/bin/echo-that. Linux then saw that /hackenv/bin/echo-that is a symbolic link file containing the filename "echo-this", so it then ran /hackenv/bin/echo-this instead. < 1449345483 748002 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ah, kk. thanks :) < 1449345624 597191 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam JOIN :#esoteric < 1449345839 881830 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam QUIT :Client Quit < 1449345976 287491 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PART :#esoteric < 1449346143 181458 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbolic links: not very similar to pointers! < 1449346161 382089 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the concept is similar, but the behavior isn't. < 1449346257 961811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a funny analogy there... where mounting file systems becomes page table manipulation... < 1449346271 978656 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D: < 1449346307 354766 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449346945 247401 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449346991 991698 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449348187 907091 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm bin/echo-th{is,at} < 1449348191 24034 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449348209 346760 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +w bin/you-can-only-run-this-once; echo '#!/bin/rm -f' > bin/you-can-only-run-this-once; chmod -w bin/you-can-only-run-this-once < 1449348212 361205 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449349159 731883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` you-can-only-run-this-once canary < 1449349161 690252 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449349173 44138 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which you-can-only-run-this-once < 1449349175 929998 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/you-can-only-run-this-once < 1449349294 857622 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449349313 896609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`you-can-only-run-this-once -i < 1449349344 545730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/rm: remove regular file `/hackenv/bin/you-can-only-run-this-once'? < 1449349428 99669 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449349687 208729 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449349725 43284 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:1888:69a6:a5ba:cf91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449350580 315776 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:1888:69a6:a5ba:cf91 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449351911 88273 :B1ood!~B1ood@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449351923 83353 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blood quit < 1449351923 472066 :B1ood!~B1ood@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye #esoteric, I will be back soon. < 1449351923 635320 :B1ood!~B1ood@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449353822 463255 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449353907 83733 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449355037 751337 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :szxrdftcyu < 1449355163 18808 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1449356537 145166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` tr a-z n-za-m << 1449409278 879436 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449409282 930024 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449409283 435689 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449409332 942428 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449409336 993528 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449409337 499709 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449409409 119365 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449409410 276227 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1449409413 166717 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449409413 673312 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449409421 40957 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1449409651 40485 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@you.know.what.toasters.rocks JOIN :#esoteric < 1449409982 527068 :Nithogg!~ethiraric@93.ip-5-196-226.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449410651 461553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1449410844 158231 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1449410916 195598 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wgewpzhimipkeeyv QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1449410933 326025 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1449410942 420692 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-smtbkinkuzywzzlr JOIN :#esoteric < 1449411072 46232 :jaboja!~jaboja@83.20.113.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449411388 228993 :jaboja!~jaboja@83.20.113.49 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449411396 857615 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449411474 837048 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1449411475 144389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 6h 5m 57s ago: i was thinking of doing advent of code but decided I wouldnt be able to cuz vacation < 1449411492 511592 :vjoba!~quassel@ip-89-177-135-104.net.upcbroadband.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1449411505 974229 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask quintopia QUINTHELLOPIA! you are being vacationed? < 1449411506 322674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449411749 24421 :vjoba!~quassel@ip-89-177-135-104.net.upcbroadband.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449412283 907048 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert49.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449412807 791336 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert49.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449413063 998340 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1449413070 272879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 061400Z 22013KT 12SM OVC013 03/01 A3044 RMK ST8 SLP309 < 1449413291 611025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1449413292 62131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 061420Z AUTO 22012KT 9999 BKN007 OVC016 13/11 Q1017 TEMPO SCT007 < 1449413504 528793 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. < 1449413529 717349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyilob. < 1449413590 379084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday I prepared a "final" thesis draft, addressing comments from the preliminary examination round. I might eventually get that thesis done. < 1449413609 734574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was intended to be finished by the end of 2014. < 1449413854 906944 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert49.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449414300 827133 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449414514 991627 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449414521 391130 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord < 1449414533 799961 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449414537 735243 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How's the weather in funtown? < 1449414538 483161 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: are you in the medium. wv could type commands for the characters to follow. most of john's dad, who broke a huge wizard < 1449414550 15148 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM the medium. < 1449414563 911248 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, soundwaves and other waves travel through me < 1449414715 802963 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrelloman. feeling post-modernist today? < 1449414737 565090 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's a thesis. it leaks through space and time to occupy all available resources. < 1449414750 536650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems. < 1449414773 174667 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how so? < 1449414775 998628 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get that referenc. < 1449414779 647401 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reference < 1449414786 954428 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are Feynman diagrams to modelize theses. < 1449414808 202712 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thesises? plurals are complicated. < 1449414868 38856 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :theses hth < 1449414883 64415 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the medium is the message, and other disconstructions of the same kind. < 1449414896 661797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I was using the Harvard style for citations and the list of references, and our doctoral studies committee's "permission to publish" meeting feedback was that it's okay, but I need to change the list of references to use the Harvard style. I asked for more details, and got back "sorry, we don't have detailed instructions, but here's a stock description of the Harvard style from a random ... < 1449414896 661828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Internet page of ". The description matched the original draft. < 1449414896 661857 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell¶rjan. tdh. < 1449414901 459900 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there's that weird script error again tdnh < 1449414908 942923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to a lack of better options, I switched to an "even more Harvard" bibtex style. < 1449414910 93954 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only once, like last time < 1449414913 757317 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily < 1449414928 405287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My thesis instructor/supervisor could provide no further insight to the mind of the Committee, either. < 1449414975 357030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they've got a particular Harvard style variant (that's not surprising -- every institution in the world does, seemingly), which is kept safely hidden from students, and their theses are then compared against that. < 1449415018 825541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume this is because otherwise they might have to accept some works without requiring revisions. < 1449415024 7168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that would never do. < 1449415026 661744 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it's a clairvoyance test < 1449415027 560074 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using scientology style. < 1449415030 551845 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the principle of Maximal Disagreement strikes again. < 1449415054 870382 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has flashbacks of his time in University < 1449415088 639757 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to comply with the thesis requirements you need flashforwards hth < 1449415152 843872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've now switched it from natbib's "abbrvnat" to one of the styles in the 'harvard' package, which does put the publication year in a slightly different place in the actual bibliography. Perhaps that will be enough. < 1449415282 352768 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily! < 1449415322 276118 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spots Walpurgisnacht in the logs < 1449415348 842808 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia! sorry, only about eight minutes left for me until I shower then mahjong in a faraway place. < 1449415366 447857 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here < 1449415374 386568 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the mahjong < 1449415380 828236 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is *DUN DUN DUN* ... oh. < 1449415382 224662 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far away? < 1449415407 148691 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :quebec is already reasonably far < 1449415407 291213 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :60~75 minutes by public transit. we play at a nice café in Verdun today. < 1449415453 541888 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1449415456 877452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily asked 1h 5m 50s ago: QUINTHELLOPIA! you are being vacationed? < 1449415463 560320 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Québec is between 2 and 3 hours, nothing to fret about. < 1449415488 30480 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by car, and if the driver is Asian. damn that one time was fast...) < 1449415490 84336 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its at least a day < 1449415504 925114 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :by aeropland < 1449415524 443561 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aerpland, flown by Tanea Airlines. < 1449415573 227767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what HATETRIS is < 1449415585 538076 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rp/rop/ < 1449415602 619133 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes im vacationed < 1449415604 171333 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that xkcd tetris with the round bottom hth < 1449415608 848782 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the islands < 1449415614 781422 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :end of tjis week < 1449415643 592035 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was tetris hell... < 1449415685 430158 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1449415695 813799 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is tjis a misspelling or an acronym twh < 1449415723 93609 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Jeudi Is Sunday hth < 1449415744 581209 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which islands? small islands, medium islands, big islands, recursive islands? < 1449415777 563255 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :la caribe < 1449415793 248714 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :medium islands < 1449415808 74085 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1449415836 210483 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :u gotta go < 1449415849 332443 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bontopie jouintopiarnée! < 1449415863 673439 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon boily < 1449415874 814033 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DUALISTIC CHICKEN < 1449416008 495701 :jaboja64!~jaboja@ers164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449416117 802661 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert49.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1449416129 866893 :jaboja64!~jaboja@ers164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl NICK :jaboja < 1449417399 810284 :jaboja!~jaboja@ers164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449417413 779656 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45789&oldid=45571 5* 03Jabutosama 5* (+118) 10/* Joke/Silly Ideas */ added comment and explanation < 1449417924 561502 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the media please stop glorifying people who travel to syria to fight ISIS. < 1449417930 753904 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@151.42.16.111 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449418333 372108 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1449418868 510993 :jaboja!~jaboja@ers164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449418979 873484 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@you.know.what.toasters.rocks QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1449419141 924131 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@you.know.what.toasters.rocks JOIN :#esoteric < 1449420487 671920 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cosmic.mearie.org/2015/11/font/live *phew* < 1449420519 667403 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ò.ò < 1449420526 358218 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took a lot to make the font available in ttf < 1449420548 194073 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hinting atm, but should be usable as a terminal font now (probably?) < 1449420567 378221 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still has some rough edges, including an inability to load from OS X (don't know why) < 1449420600 77655 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: http://i.imgur.com/YzYzUuN.png < 1449420626 442837 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, some glyphs missing? < 1449420642 175254 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know that but i see some fuzzy ones < 1449420680 507648 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw firefox on arch linux < 1449422057 40628 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449423776 126025 :impomatic_!~digital_w@122.189.113.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to make a bitmap font... I think I've found a utility to do it. < 1449423807 630591 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :mspaint < 1449423919 627691 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim < 1449425157 172835 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.139 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1449425637 841256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a terminal font you should be able to use a bitmap font though? < 1449428408 119380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, if a Magic: the Gathering card just says "choose one" without listing any choices, then you cannot cast that spell (as there are no legal modes) unless it has entwine. < 1449428447 889347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you pay the entwine cost then you can cast it, but it does nothing when it resolves.) < 1449429817 416249 :impomatic_!~digital_w@122.189.113.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a bitmap font I can use from Windows. I assume a < 1449429844 758302 :impomatic_!~digital_w@122.189.113.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.FON file is the best option. Which appears to be an executable file. < 1449430140 1851 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449431360 505900 :impomatic_!~digital_w@122.189.113.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449431418 845631 :Guest-Pirc!~Guest-Pir@109.107.249.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449431452 121310 :Guest-Pirc!~Guest-Pir@109.107.249.212 PART :#esoteric < 1449432443 66477 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449433837 14141 :Guest81266!~sprocklem@131.104.23.9 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1449433849 752197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Magic: the Gathering puzzle.5 is much easier; you can try that one! < 1449434030 373516 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the, why does this hard disk or file system read so slowly now? < 1449434191 108787 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449434611 739889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why? It is hardly any information to figure out < 1449434632 315932 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait, what size is a dvd these days? I keep forgetting. I know it's a bit over 4 GiB < 1449434667 297363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I better query < 1449434740 647074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, yes, but what's the unit of that? < 1449434774 180589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sectors I guess, but what size is a sector on a data dvd < 1449434801 779113 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2048? < 1449434802 929291 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449434826 960631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so 4590208 kibibytes < 1449435184 395224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the problem is the disk, the disk driver and kernel, the file system, the file system driver, or just this whole system bitrotting away. Will see later. < 1449436297 266391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just replaced a disk that started generating smartd emails about a nonzero SMART "Offline_Uncorrectable" count. < 1449436326 379965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was acting pretty slow when rebuilding the RAID thing, but I assume you'd know if that were happening. < 1449437305 934895 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45790&oldid=45783 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-4) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449437531 346515 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sister and I are inventing a language < 1449437540 422659 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a linguistically rigorous way < 1449437544 591090 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, we're trying to < 1449437571 408228 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban derivatives category < 1449437572 105559 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45791&oldid=45790 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+445) 10/* Specification */ < 1449437707 309714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45792&oldid=45791 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-1) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449437726 596734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, I have already bought an extra hard disk I'm not using right now, because my first hard disk is suspicious to me. this second hard disk is slow, but I don't think it's faulty, I think it's just a file system thing. < 1449437731 278773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kernel thing < 1449437859 795343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45793&oldid=45792 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */ < 1449438067 117531 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45794&oldid=45793 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-307) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */ < 1449438102 557 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45795&oldid=45794 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-3) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */ < 1449438122 897398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45796&oldid=45795 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+14) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */ < 1449438179 868753 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449438185 903654 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449438365 78205 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1449438569 895378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1449438977 505345 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quevenintopia < 1449439460 302551 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm learning C++ in the worst way possible. < 1449439530 156980 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By slowly developing a program designed for actual usage. < 1449439553 171053 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1449439571 199809 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1449439572 43821 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45797&oldid=45796 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-657) 10/* Specification */ < 1449439584 520404 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-soljwhfomvxvboqh QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449439690 848948 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm slowly developing a personal C++ utility library to make it feel more like Python for me < 1449439718 519639 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.96 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449439730 174510 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, print(string, end="\n", file=cout), input(prompt), readf(filename), etc. < 1449439956 549907 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-zxypueolrxyrmlfw JOIN :#esoteric < 1449440138 500678 :jaboja!~jaboja@ers164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449441313 721973 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], the best way to learn C++ is in an actual company project xD < 1449441327 424578 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: OK, then I'm doing it right? xD < 1449441330 665280 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the hardest part is usually collaboration < 1449441371 347047 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], you can start from anywhere < 1449441400 886161 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1449441419 120734 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still stuck trying to read a file form a command-line argument and print its contents xD < 1449441612 341293 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldnt you be using std::ifstream < 1449441709 24196 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: I am, but there are 12 million different types of strings as it turns out < 1449441717 209648 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to just 1. Which would make sense. < 1449441798 320956 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I got it to read a file and print /something/ < 1449441803 222134 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just turns out that something is MZÉ < 1449441822 947877 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to "walrus man!\nDuhn duhn duhn!" < 1449442386 844862 :jaboja!~jaboja@ers164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449442873 170813 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449442915 425151 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the simplest, most straightforward way to read a file's contents with a function of type `string readf(string fname)` in C++? < 1449442919 940749 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Do you know? < 1449443235 194995 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449443246 518260 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-179-104.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449443262 268387 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449443808 796202 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in c you can get the file size, then either read or mmap < 1449443824 158509 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can loop character by character < 1449443906 269745 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], making the function lol < 1449444521 449778 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Ugh, the file is completely mangled when output. Have any idea why that might be? < 1449444536 873510 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you arent reading it properly? < 1449444544 842517 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you are printing the pointer, lol < 1449444721 245803 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a hat. < 1449444727 494800 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to casual clothes. < 1449444747 469589 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hat (no visors–must cover top of head–must be packed in backpack)" < 1449444773 95743 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, by no visors, do they just mean nothing that's only eye covering (e.g. baseball caps are allowed)? < 1449444806 503660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: I could be xD < 1449444930 748052 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1449444944 10016 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I've got it working to the point of readfline. Now I'll define readf in terms of readfline < 1449444998 712413 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, not quite < 1449445130 950777 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY! < 1449445135 925881 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW I HAVE SOMETHING I CAN WORK WITH! < 1449445137 589628 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOHOO! < 1449445163 913148 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :string readfline(string fname, int i=0); < 1449445183 924517 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reads a line from file with name fname < 1449445259 742668 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmap is really fun though < 1449445338 458968 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, remembered I can give getline '\0' as a third argument and it'll read the whole file. Now my design is perfect! Yay! < 1449445862 464724 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm completely ignorant but doesn't that read only up to \0 ? < 1449446090 981491 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: True, but I don't really care < 1449446102 920197 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, as long as the file doesn't contain a \0 before the end, it works < 1449446282 295598 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, now I'm attempting to implement a doubly-linked list < 1449446294 749060 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To hold the program < 1449446354 10372 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1449446805 316101 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I think a being which does *not* exist is more perfect than one which does. < 1449446861 792590 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, the most perfect situation is a situation in which nothing is necessary. If the existence of a being is necessary, that being is a mark of imperfection. < 1449446897 95523 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, being perfect in all ways, is certainly not a mark of imperfection. < 1449446931 278914 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ontological argument got it backwards. < 1449446952 622141 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sidles away from the puffs of logic < 1449446972 414114 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puff puff puff < 1449447100 886476 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you've shown that the ontological argument is based on a matter of opinion about what perfection is < 1449447135 224791 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, let me monologue about my indentation philosophy. < 1449447183 55185 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A piece of an expression generally consists of an opening delimiter and/or a closing delimiter and/or middle delimiters, along with inner contents. < 1449447209 381061 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rule is pretty simple. < 1449447242 694457 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the expression-piece is split across multiple lines, then all delimiters should be at the same indentation level, and all inner contents should be at a greater indentation level. < 1449447280 494233 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... that's not completely accurate. < 1449447292 927051 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, here's how I'd do an "if" statement: < 1449447296 933254 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (foo) { < 1449447299 728324 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bar; < 1449447301 771018 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :} else { < 1449447303 534411 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : baz; < 1449447304 60882 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1449447316 951184 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All braces are at the same indentation level, as are the keywords "if" and "else". < 1449447346 478353 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "indentation level that a token is at" means the amount that the line is indented, not the point where the left edge of the token appears. < 1449447361 221387 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, "bar;" and "baz;" are at the next greater indentation level. < 1449447420 101117 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo" is inner contents, but it's allowed to occupy a single line along with delimiters. < 1449447422 233462 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's indeed how I indent < 1449447435 152479 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a big function call? Like this: < 1449447438 85214 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :functionCall( < 1449447441 799652 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bigLongArgumentOne, < 1449447445 211026 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bigLongArgumentTwo, < 1449447445 628141 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1449447467 334912 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm that's a good idea < 1449447488 438719 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thou shalt not indent a line in order to make its beginning line up with a token inside of the line above it, for that is detestable to Me. < 1449447511 413673 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oqfhdcnphujfkazo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1449447579 549389 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that means in Haskell, you don't do this: < 1449447581 16460 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do blah; < 1449447582 318481 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : blah; < 1449447584 692470 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do this instead: < 1449447585 352147 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do < 1449447586 828899 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : blah; < 1449447588 561690 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : blah; < 1449447635 652850 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to make this "indent the inner contents of a syntax element" thing the only style of indentation that you use. < 1449447646 923498 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one other style which is okay, but should be avoided. < 1449447674 856650 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely: you can break a syntax element that would normally be one line across two lines, putting a line break in an arbitrary place and indenting the second line. < 1449447828 704314 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an officially tswett-approved way of indenting SQL: < 1449447829 914382 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SELECT people.height < 1449447830 56854 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FROM < 1449447830 56925 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people < 1449447830 199425 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : INNER JOIN cities < 1449447832 151272 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ON people.name = cities.name < 1449448365 494006 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449448373 678827 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1449448374 221395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1449448400 536015 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :konboilyha < 1449448437 16180 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\bonsorenoir\. < 1449448524 525508 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Groileetings. < 1449448572 815100 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salutswettations. < 1449448697 605740 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also... < 1449448776 731633 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1449448807 236289 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1449448852 254883 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ... ... < 1449448903 669900 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tempted to mapole tswett < 1449448918 88303 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :....... < 1449448985 926225 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :………………… < 1449449022 599570 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449449024 971187 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,、 < 1449449032 738817 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :。。。。。。 < 1449449054 470802 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . . . < 1449449096 951251 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁙⁙⁙⁙⁙⁙⁙⁙ < 1449449186 672985 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :︙ < 1449449188 860820 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :︙ < 1449449192 672248 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :︙ < 1449449194 190418 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¨¨¨¨¨¨ < 1449449249 366430 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :⋰⋱⋰⋱⋰⋱⋰⋱⋰ < 1449449270 978157 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . .. . .. . . . . .. . .. . . . . .. . .. . . . . .. . .. . < 1449449288 309785 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. . . .. . .. ... .. ...... . .. . .. . . .... < 1449449321 764768 :andrew!~andrew@59.38.97.39 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449449391 263275 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind. < 1449449409 947186 :bender|_!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:a568:5567:7eed:6d04 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449449421 274483 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do I have the feeling there's a fnord hidden somewhere in that... < 1449449610 225753 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what the worst thing is? < 1449449647 529695 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple fnords? no fnords? reverse fnord? < 1449449689 604802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's the worst thing in life? Something about your enemies? < 1449449690 161783 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that it makes a guest of it, much as the moon takes liberty. reason. justice. civility. edification. perfection. for the first time in i don't have a very exciting 24 hours or so. < 1449449868 359304 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fnord was contained in *your* messages. < 1449449888 47539 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fnord < 1449449899 153847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449449908 340600 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file wisdom/fnord < 1449449909 666724 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/fnord: UTF-8 Unicode text < 1449449916 134184 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hexdump wisdom/fnord < 1449449916 990183 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000 203f afc2 285c b0c2 80e2 5f8b 296f c22f \ 0000010 0aaf \ 0000012 < 1449449938 1782 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯' | hexdump < 1449449938 846450 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000 80e2 3f8b c220 5caf c228 e2b0 8b80 6f5f \ 0000010 2f29 afc2 000a \ 0000015 < 1449449954 986481 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fnord was in you all along < 1449450006 571701 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... how are those different? < 1449450008 196839 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: are you confused < 1449450013 965117 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode $(wisdom/fnord) < 1449450015 16815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: wisdom/fnord: Permission denied < 1449450020 21447 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode $(cat wisdom/fnord) < 1449450020 979914 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+003F QUESTION MARK] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+00AF MACRON] [U+005C REVERSE SOLIDUS] [U+0028 LEFT PARENTHESIS] [U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN] [U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE] [U+005F LOW LINE] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+0029 RIGHT PARENTHESIS] [U+002F SOLIDUS] [U+00AF MACRON] < 1449450039 136109 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449450044 679025 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fnord you can grasp is not the True Fnord. < 1449450053 213149 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449450054 88352 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE] [U+003F QUESTION MARK] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+00AF MACRON] [U+005C REVERSE SOLIDUS] [U+0028 LEFT PARENTHESIS] [U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN] [U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE] [U+005F LOW LINE] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+0029 RIGHT PARENTHESIS] [U+002F SOLIDUS] [U+00AF MACRON] < 1449450075 688793 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll do it. < 1449450092 972483 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode $(cat /dev/urandom) < 1449450115 767120 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION taps boily's foot. < 1449450123 782686 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode $(cat /dev/urandom | head -c 50) < 1449450139 305241 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`loudly Are you still with us, HackEgo? < 1449450145 597669 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/unidecode", line 4, in \ s = u" ".join("[U+{0:04X} {1}]".format(ord(c), unicodedata.name(c, "DUNNO")) for c in " ".join(sys.argv[1:]).decode("utf-8")).encode("utf-8") \ File "/usr/lib/python2.7/encodings/utf_8.py", line 16, in decode \ return codecs.utf_8_decode(input, err < 1449450146 716847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04,09A09,04r04,09e09,04 04,09y09,04o04,09u09,04 04,09s09,04t04,09i09,04l04,09l09,04 04,09w09,04i04,09t09,04h04,09 09,04u04,09s09,04,04,09 09,04H04,09a09,04c04,09k09,04E04,09g09,04o04,09? < 1449450146 859384 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449450196 735022 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1449450199 541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 01,08yellow \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ dog \ emoticons \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ ibin \ interps \ le \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ u8tbl \ u8tbl.c \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1449450201 781933 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fungot. this is aggressive! < 1449450202 315977 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: have a look. which of course it was a nasty pair, but he had already been a mass grave < 1449450227 59253 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell wants little-endian 16-bit hexdumps < 1449450233 314807 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode $(ls *yellow*) < 1449450235 316886 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449450254 400116 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doink. < 1449450264 896566 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no doink. < 1449450271 400019 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $(ls *yellow*) < 1449450272 369429 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​01,08yellow < 1449450283 276921 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unidecode '$(ls *yellow*)' < 1449450284 201684 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0024 DOLLAR SIGN] [U+0028 LEFT PARENTHESIS] [U+006C LATIN SMALL LETTER L] [U+0073 LATIN SMALL LETTER S] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+002A ASTERISK] [U+0079 LATIN SMALL LETTER Y] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+006C LATIN SMALL LETTER L] [U+006C LATIN SMALL LETTER L] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+0077 LATIN SMALL LETTER W] [U+002A ASTERISK] [U+0029 R < 1449450311 258369 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls *yellow* | hexdump < 1449450312 214544 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000 3003 2c31 3830 6579 6c6c 776f 0a03 \ 000000e < 1449450380 142104 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE YOU USING little-endian hexdumps? < 1449450396 827032 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1449450401 121036 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm. < 1449450405 985145 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -v *yellow* < 1449450409 216622 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :removed `\00301,08yellow\003' < 1449450558 979334 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which hexdump < 1449450559 771557 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/hexdump < 1449450567 598792 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449450573 880425 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo hello | hexdump < 1449450574 960449 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000 6568 6c6c 0a6f \ 0000006 < 1449450609 731542 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really is 16 bit little endian. there's something fundamentally wrong there. < 1449450612 370176 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 12345 | hexdump < 1449450613 98741 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000 3231 3433 0a35 \ 0000006 < 1449450630 73994 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo hello | hexdump -C < 1449450632 428057 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000 68 65 6c 6c 6f 0a |hello.| \ 00000006 < 1449450645 777606 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more sane. < 1449450655 582102 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a sane person, I concur. < 1449450995 848827 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All righty now. < 1449450996 269233 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1449450997 124373 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 03(* \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ close \ *) \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ dog \ emoticons \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ ibin \ interps \ le \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ u8tbl \ u8tbl.c \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1449451016 600968 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` (* < 1449451017 337457 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1449451040 570964 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` \(\* < 1449451041 330136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1449451046 621267 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...??? < 1449451055 684751 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to be trying to run a command with an empty name. < 1449451078 689140 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` Since the command name is the thing between the grave accent and the space. < 1449451079 332354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1449451086 593895 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're not puting anything there. < 1449451089 793062 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, oops < 1449451094 650822 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dat keming < 1449451097 457596 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`(* < 1449451098 335407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: (*: not found < 1449451105 710212 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, not sure what the hell is < 1449451107 93596 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aajsxbfixmgwpgil JOIN :#esoteric < 1449451108 358899 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \(\* < 1449451108 501473 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is* < 1449451109 168994 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: (*: command not found < 1449451114 962156 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's not in bin. < 1449451131 444987 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find / -name '(*' -type f < 1449451162 812774 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: `/proc/tty/driver': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/fd': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/fdinfo': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/task/1/ns': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/fd': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/fdinfo': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/1/ns': Permission denied \ find: `/proc/2/task/2/fd': Permissi < 1449451178 173900 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp. < 1449451199 692851 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find / -name '(*' -type f 2>/dev/null < 1449451211 770335 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449451221 554560 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls *'*'* < 1449451222 517608 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​03(* \ close \ *) < 1449451264 60088 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat cat < 1449451264 967683 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow~~ >^.^< < 1449451270 782057 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat emoticons/* < 1449451271 702785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: emoticons/*: No such file or directory < 1449451277 964271 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat emoticons/* < 1449451279 255157 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol \ 凸 \ ガ~(゚ロ゚;)~ン \ (°Д°) \ (≧∇≦)/ \ ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ ーー蟲蟲 \ オラオラオラ(三・o・)三☆三(`ε´三)無駄無駄無駄無駄 < 1449451293 256577 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a bunch of them. < 1449451295 752448 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls emoticons < 1449451296 593382 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drowning \ flipbird \ gaaan \ gaan \ kyaa \ shrug \ swatter \ useless < 1449451379 541570 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :swatter is pretty nice ^^ < 1449451396 260859 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: do you have 蟲 in your font? < 1449451701 443630 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that an insect attack? < 1449451812 618934 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :six 虫 at the end of a stick being swung around! < 1449451834 695120 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` run ls *close* < 1449451835 645247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :run run run < 1449451842 307342 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls *close* < 1449451843 335112 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :close \ *) < 1449451848 688895 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1449452028 228498 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not yet < 1449452075 450746 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the letter omega is now known as wubbleyou < 1449452104 479918 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cuddly doubleyou < 1449452228 590819 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <\oren\> also the letter omega is now known as wubbleyou <\oren\> it's a cuddly doubleyou < 1449452231 199759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1260) <\oren\> also the letter omega is now known as wubbleyou <\oren\> it's a cuddly doubleyou < 1449452783 63314 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.67 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449452911 465519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449453458 503226 :jaboja64!~jaboja@ese227.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449453534 833137 :jaboja!~jaboja@ers164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449454121 674158 :andrew!~andrew@183.37.18.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449454122 393907 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was spelled "doubleu". < 1449454156 183577 :andrew!~andrew@183.37.18.216 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449454321 959432 :andrew!~andrew@183.37.18.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449454372 898328 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and your friend have a file with 1000 numbers (two copies of the same file). you have to find the highest number in that file < 1449454380 307454 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be easy, but who finishes first wins < 1449454396 783257 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if A finishes first but B finds a larger number, B wins < 1449454429 797648 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't really have to find the highest value, just some value higher than what your friend finds < 1449454444 226460 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or finish first with the same value < 1449454476 666268 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what strategy do you use? < 1449454974 563282 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449455038 353209 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sample 1 / e * 1000 values, use the highest. < 1449455053 432666 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> floor $ 1 / (exp 1) * 1000 < 1449455055 369644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 367 < 1449455070 979334 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that just a guess or do you have proof < 1449455099 605696 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recognize the strategy from a very different problem < 1449455116 506346 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding the best meal at a restaurant or something, iirc hth < 1449455166 374049 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that problem has the restriction that you only get one chance to choose each option. < 1449455210 92870 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp (-1) < 1449455212 55113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.36787944117144233 < 1449455246 533897 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure this isn't optimal, because it can be beaten on average by the "check all the numbers dammit" strategy < 1449455310 86766 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i believe _ties_ with the "check 50%" strategy... < 1449455338 802739 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still checking 367 of them because e. I like e. < 1449455344 971838 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e is good < 1449455385 15297 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 % 2 < 1449455386 842474 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 % 2 < 1449455394 131335 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the "check 367", then go on until you find a larger one, then stop < 1449455403 899103 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is most similar < 1449455444 439922 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1 % 1 + 1 % 10000000) ^ 10000000 < 1449455448 628291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1449455449 39877 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure if it makes sense to use a strategy that is not just a number of values to check < 1449455501 816161 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if you know your opponent's strategy, you should check one number less i think < 1449455516 715180 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1449455525 586251 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1449455556 635081 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bfjoust for finding the largest number in a list. < 1449455564 209300 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449455573 643539 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449455673 876044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07O14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45798&oldid=43930 5* 03Phase 5* (-1) 10 < 1449455903 292983 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ACYCLIC CHICKEN < 1449455914 671546 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this problem has a bit of the two envelopes problem in it < 1449455965 134281 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait not that < 1449456545 851225 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm can't I just run a simulation < 1449457544 999007 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what about the order of the numbers < 1449457596 718739 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strategy "check the first N numbers" is faster than "shuffle then check N numbers" < 1449458204 406358 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my simulation gives: < 1449458212 701184 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A= 123456789A < 1449458212 843733 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=1 -aaAAAAAAA < 1449458212 843818 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=2 b--aaaaAAA < 1449458212 843843 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=3 bb---aaaaa < 1449458212 843885 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=4 Bb--b----a < 1449458215 185934 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=5 Bbba-bb--- < 1449458217 650172 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=6 Bbb-a-bbbb < 1449458220 120907 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=7 Bbb-aa-bbb < 1449458222 637344 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=8 BBb--aa-BB < 1449458225 92219 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=9 BBbb-aaA-B < 1449458227 692607 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=a BBbb-aaAA- < 1449458238 742731 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a,A is advantage to A, b,B is advantage to B < 1449458304 82468 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1449458321 942237 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :capitals are advantages > 500 in 1000 trials < 1449458330 851921 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowercase is >100 < 1449458402 260062 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of a prisoner's dilemma happening in part of the diagram < 1449458419 875563 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is on an array of 10 numbers < 1449458427 386523 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if they always check the first N numbers, then whoever stops first will always have checked a subset of the other one < 1449458435 651079 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so will never have a _larger_ number < 1449458453 662973 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there should be shuffling. < 1449458455 992688 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in this simulation, both player shuffle independently < 1449458460 363833 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1449458554 508892 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is best to check _much_ more numbers than the opponent, or _slightly_ fewer. < 1449458616 401231 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first gives you a better chance of finding the maximum, the latter gives you a better chance of finishing first < 1449458672 438344 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but still with a good maximum) < 1449458798 139927 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make a better heatmap < 1449458830 30000 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your opponent checks many numbers, you should check slightly fewer. if e checks few, you should check more than em. < 1449458845 727024 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's pretty PD < 1449458871 195103 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not quite < 1449458911 461962 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aajsxbfixmgwpgil QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1449458938 831226 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :about half is fairly good too < 1449459004 10164 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A= 123456789A < 1449459004 586850 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=1 -aαAAAAAAA < 1449459004 732833 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=2 b-aaαααAAA < 1449459004 875296 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=3 βb---aaααα < 1449459004 875378 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=4 Bb--b---aa < 1449459006 518281 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=5 Bβ-a-bbb-- < 1449459009 110007 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=6 Bβb-a-βbbb < 1449459011 594068 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=7 Bβb-aα-βββ < 1449459014 65206 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=8 BBβ-aaα-BB < 1449459016 598049 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=9 BBβb-aαA-B < 1449459019 43850 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=a BBβb-aαAA- < 1449459052 379239 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :here the greek letters represent an advantage of 3 per 10 or more < 1449459089 304173 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh doesn;t tell much more < 1449459093 721448 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1449459111 814758 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a kind of phase shift between 4 and 5 < 1449459226 997589 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little too thin to have rock-paper-scissors < 1449459267 15353 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/envelopes.htm < 1449459268 514025 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 beats 5 beats 6 beats a beats 4 < 1449459307 987750 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1449459313 770105 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1449459319 803863 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 beats 8 < 1449459351 419201 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 beats a < 1449459391 447618 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, still four steps < 1449459547 856197 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would exist if there were more strategies? < 1449459561 744810 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, a larger array? < 1449459629 4458 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some of those - could be a slight advantage < 1449459685 18456 :andrew!~andrew@183.37.18.216 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449459698 517014 :andrew!~andrew@14.154.164.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449459748 253622 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A= 123456789abcdef < 1449459748 491192 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=1 -ααAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1449459748 633719 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=2 β-aaααAAAAAAAAA < 1449459748 633794 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=3 βb--aaαααααAAAA < 1449459748 633814 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=4 Bb----aaaaααααα < 1449459750 758759 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=5 Bβb-----aaaaaaα < 1449459753 208418 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=6 Bβb---b-----aaa < 1449459755 654947 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=7 BBβb-a-bbb----- < 1449459758 216156 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=8 BBβb--a-bbbbb-- < 1449459760 805565 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=9 BBβb--aa-ββbbbb < 1449459763 168841 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=a BBβbb-aaα-βββββ < 1449459765 711097 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=b BBββb--aαα-BBββ < 1449459768 235210 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=c BBBβb--aaαA-BBB < 1449459770 810968 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=d BBBβbb-aaαAA-BB < 1449459773 215134 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=e BBBββb--aααAA-B < 1449459775 759854 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=f BBBββb--aααAAA- < 1449459778 179365 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 options < 1449459810 653800 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, i like your style < 1449459817 549931 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 - 7 - a - f - 6 < 1449459821 962637 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still four < 1449459824 778472 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs pasting services? < 1449459832 233244 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just post the shit IRC < 1449459900 1610 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if ^v sounds a little grumpy < 1449459912 331630 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S FOR SCIENCE < 1449459932 362966 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its sarcasm xD i dont care if you spam but some people might < 1449459981 431905 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: meh, I figure we spent like 10 minutes posting nothing but various dots earlier, so whatever < 1449459988 310376 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that the channel is _still_ slow on average... < 1449460090 240602 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 6 - 7 is the main chokepoint, you cannot avoid having both < 1449460133 412199 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the lines of - are probably infinitely thin (as the nubmer of options increases) < 1449460148 761321 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qayruavyaxzyjbwm JOIN :#esoteric < 1449460224 103727 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still the b zone and the a zone would always be mirrored created a 6-7 chokepoint < 1449460399 830848 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact larger seems worse, since the distance between what you can get from 7 and what can reach 6 increases < 1449460424 328199 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the 4 - 5 case before, they're 8 and 9 so neigbors) < 1449461012 496710 :jaboja64!~jaboja@ese227.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449462215 976695 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449463251 39365 :bender|_!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:a568:5567:7eed:6d04 QUIT :Quit: Ping Pong Fuckout < 1449464527 210794 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I modified it to print even the smallest advantages < 1449464538 873167 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with b as , and a as . < 1449464541 894186 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A= 123456789abcdef < 1449464542 36774 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=1 -ααAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1449464542 36857 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=2 β-aaαααAAAAAAAA < 1449464542 36877 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=3 βb-.aaαααααAAAA < 1449464542 36896 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=4 Bb,-,.aaaaααααα < 1449464544 343442 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=5 Bβb.-,,..aaaaαα < 1449464546 916035 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=6 Bβb,.-b,,-..aaa < 1449464549 493850 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=7 BBβb.a-bbb,,-.. < 1449464551 953694 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=8 BBβb,.a-bbbbb,, < 1449464554 461851 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=9 BBβbb.aa-ββbbbb < 1449464556 978032 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=a BBβbb-aaα-βββββ < 1449464559 506034 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=b BBββb,.aαα-BBββ < 1449464561 946467 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=c BBBβb,.aaαA-BBB < 1449464564 459838 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=d BBBβbb-aaαAA-BB < 1449464566 868732 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=e BBBβbb,aaααAA-B < 1449464569 414343 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :B=f BBBββb,.aααAAA- < 1449464601 791501 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :, and . indicate only a 1/100 to 1/10 advantage < 1449464624 465549 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as you can see, at 4,5,6 there is a cycle! < 1449464637 702160 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f -> 7 -> c as well < 1449464797 470182 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, there's not a winning pure strategy < 1449464836 225925 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there should be a mixed one < 1449464867 772688 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Writing U+BF (two hexadecimal digits) is not common practice, nor is writing an odd number of hexadecimal digits." < 1449464874 171531 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that last part of the sentence is wrong < 1449464902 306062 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F673 < 1449464909 261774 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(random number) < 1449464923 219304 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode U+1F673 < 1449464924 285082 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​🙳 < 1449464933 663793 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🙳 < 1449464935 544711 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F673 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: f0 9f 99 b3 UTF-16BE: d83dde73 Decimal: 🙳 \ 🙳 (🙳) \ Uppercase: U+1F673 \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) < 1449464950 599498 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :råndöm < 1449465006 925032 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"UTF-8 can therefore be used to exchange data among computers no matter what their native byte ordering is. For this reason, UTF-8 is becoming the de facto standard for encoding web pages." < 1449465012 737794 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think there may be other reasons too < 1449465042 293325 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the dominance of linux over web servers? < 1449465058 397367 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as ASCII being valid UTF-8 < 1449465063 522463 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the page does mention that < 1449465099 111830 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too, but that's true of Shift-JIS and the EUC-* encodings too < 1449465374 529609 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the combination of being ascii-compatible and supporting all languages < 1449465397 142857 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where all means "languages commonly used on the internet") < 1449466330 513448 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449466331 48074 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1449466331 190638 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449466355 533806 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: GB 18030! < 1449466377 509764 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pan-Unicode and compatible to GBK in addition to ASCII < 1449466698 827913 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. nice < 1449467007 38602 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449467036 8070 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449467038 369406 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GB 18030 is kinda a pain to encode and decode. < 1449467044 551732 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: and we now have a nasty conversion table, hehe < 1449467062 280831 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yup < 1449467084 644606 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, it is at least a full encoding of Unicode, and thus vastly better than the typical legacy encoding. < 1449467113 17026 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better than, say, Shift-JIS. < 1449467162 125070 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: The best rationale is that UTF-8 is: multi-lingual, ASCII compatible, and *relatively easy to support*. < 1449467165 912699 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449467257 162951 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@0018f8b54430.click-network.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449467752 482295 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1449468659 118676 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449468967 10392 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449469012 321863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is compatible with Principle of Extended ASCII though, while Shift-JIS isn't < 1449470664 144295 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449470927 25215 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449471623 221555 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449471982 94278 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449473311 549036 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qayruavyaxzyjbwm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1449473493 642605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are better encoding of list of natural numbers as natural numbers, is it the "Reverse Numeric Encoding" (I made it up), or the "Modified Godel Encoding" (my modified version of some other people's idea to make it properly one-to-one)? < 1449473855 959960 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449473933 706843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the "Reverse Numeric Encoding"? < 1449473971 872232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I described before that involves reversing the bits < 1449475369 161783 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So "Not Enoding"? < 1449475421 867652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand you. < 1449475634 959040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In both cases only finite lists are encoded, but it does even include empty list. < 1449475664 257292 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting 3 pages of polynoms on a solution to a task: check < 1449475858 607731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are encoding tuples instead then you can use Morton encoding (there are other ways too but I used Morton encoding because of INTERCAL); it is simpler than encoding lists. < 1449475887 518378 :andrew!~andrew@14.154.164.199 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449475913 292014 :Walpurgisnacht!~ah@0018f8b54430.click-network.com QUIT :Quit: Car man Hook hand Car door < 1449475985 945994 :andrew!~andrew@14.154.164.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449476951 910465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you know that INTERCAL can make Morton encodings and Gray encodings? < 1449477612 187182 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449477616 597031 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode's having trouble again? < 1449477747 130091 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449477883 859896 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449478134 808631 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449478179 124046 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449478265 287817 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1449478391 404108 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/3DkP9KD.png < 1449478400 567690 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- when 50% of the webpage is advertisment < 1449478514 971334 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449478777 965900 :andrew!~andrew@14.154.164.199 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449478933 499210 :andrew!~andrew@14.154.164.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449479150 382743 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449479828 551522 :andrew!~andrew@14.154.164.199 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449480951 41033 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449481564 166409 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449481819 47869 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449481829 55481 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I've written a tool that "compresses" images down to ASCII only < 1449481843 280054 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in other terms: a binary PPM file with only ascii values < 1449481855 210138 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so every pixel can be represented using only ascii for raw binary ppms < 1449481875 637400 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you show some example? < 1449481983 583948 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1449482025 90228 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/WtyQmCT4 < 1449482058 971729 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a 32x32 picture of Lena. < 1449482191 662163 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/a7KQLWdc <- 128x128 picture of some airport < 1449482199 969337 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449482208 274269 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as you can probably guess from the repeating values the original picture was a jpeg :D < 1449482273 297160 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: the image will be darker though, because the max value is 126 < 1449482327 703933 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can just use in image viewer than can multiply each value by around 2.8 < 1449482334 677357 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it looks bright again < 1449482459 870546 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449482618 700411 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1449482664 174710 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not very useful < 1449482669 627461 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppm files are too huge < 1449482679 909348 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you better use png and b64 obviously < 1449482696 181164 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you show a larger picture? < 1449482719 13514 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the program itself? < 1449482932 96949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: but wouldn't that restrict what bnrightnesses you can use? < 1449482976 620799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: wait, why would you use 255 max brightness for this in first place, as opposed to say 126 max brightness? < 1449482986 615295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would at least let you make bright pixels, even if not dark ones < 1449483012 804408 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's gimp :) < 1449483024 513929 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ideally it would use 126 as max brightness yes < 1449483033 9303 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Just scale down rgb by 2.8 then shift 32 < 1449483313 418823 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: http://codepad.org/GA06KiBh < 1449483316 64994 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- that's the program < 1449483399 213385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RESUME and STASH and RETRIEVE commands of INTERCAL are also very similar command found in dc. The operation of ~ operator is also found in BESM-6 instruction set. The $ and ? operators are also things that have been invented before. < 1449483422 132915 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/imgshare/ascii.ppm < 1449483424 967436 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bigger picture < 1449483429 193042 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 2.3M though < 1449483438 16372 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ppms are huge) < 1449483505 528911 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You only have the range 32-126 available basically < 1449483506 530541 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1449483510 921042 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really dark things get brighter < 1449483517 274481 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bright things get darker a lot < 1449483541 900917 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, image quality isn't very good :D < 1449483654 469475 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can open it in gimp and do a white balance correction < 1449483663 427325 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks roughly like the original picture again < 1449483740 17741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes, but if you set 126 max brightness then bright things remain bright. and you could try to use newline and a few other control characters for dark stuff. < 1449483756 536537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already have newlines in the header < 1449483821 740121 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you'd need to shift it down by 32 again < 1449483829 103642 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 32 is the darkest value possible < 1449483856 838754 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this has no useful purpose anyway < 1449483876 791042 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I can think of :) < 1449483882 242460 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ASCII medium use b64 :) < 1449483890 412039 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or PPM Ascii < 1449483900 95263 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Quit: quit < 1449484067 996218 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1449484333 284542 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449484337 423125 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1449484641 620861 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449484748 3817 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449484790 760655 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449484958 920191 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449485097 928790 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449485356 398768 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449485612 607906 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.97.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449487419 641310 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449487441 53546 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449487900 82257 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449487993 29805 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449488809 502694 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449489068 495148 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449489477 904157 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449489631 203740 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449490300 529783 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1449490312 319747 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1449490312 472861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :science/Semi-automatic text generation. < 1449490389 201491 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like ascii ppm? < 1449490389 612832 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: only one of his kind with this mutant candy-red blood. an outcast. he thinks it's about to be. someone needs to grab the beta ( 6) in the room. he briefly speaks to its strife! quota for the day. she simply returns to the land of wind and shade. in a kid's yard. not even that sure why < 1449490419 324653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1449490931 779535 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: on top of being sentient, your creepiness levels are spiking as of late. please stop. < 1449490931 985095 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: man. it is a good idea. < 1449490935 804868 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no. < 1449490936 216213 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: like a very clear mirror to break, luckwise. unfortunately it lacks a portal in space. jade's radioactive, omnipotent, space-warping dog named... which is a name i just made you disappear" and stuff < 1449491309 610627 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: GINGER CHICKEN < 1449492095 185704 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449492475 388415 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.97.24 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449492738 939768 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449492966 927089 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449493960 820152 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449495564 819668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1449496651 960877 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449497089 495322 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449497303 595781 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449497390 994279 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Silly Emplosions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45799&oldid=13872 5* 03212.219.250.79 5* (+96) 10/* CONTRADICTIONS */ new section < 1449497609 993393 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449497809 735840 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1449498010 632328 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449498223 928070 :vifino!vifino@tty.sh QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449498255 334221 :vifino!vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1449498360 232864 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449498533 753569 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison is live on Github now. < 1449498552 303852 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, sample pages etc. are automatically redirected to 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:Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449508940 533719 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449508989 481961 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese227.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449509392 851919 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449509601 542196 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese227.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449509826 283547 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1449509826 462631 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@unaffiliated/bloodgod JOIN :#esoteric < 1449509945 481693 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@unaffiliated/bloodgod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got an idea about two days ago on a language based off befunge and an important hobby of mine, Rubiks cubes. Been working it out since then. < 1449511028 654044 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming in latex is pretty hard < 1449511047 316725 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :way harder than brainfuck < 1449511551 373542 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Latex^Hr < 1449511721 340525 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449512572 647456 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449512757 270685 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1449513098 624957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, learn Plain TeX programming. < 1449513664 764014 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already fail to accomplish shit in latex due to expanding issues < 1449513671 19374 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edef doesn't help, sadly < 1449513773 594696 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449514277 395215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written the following macro: \def\ecall#1{\begingroup\edef\next{\endgroup#1}\next} It often helps with some things < 1449514279 504589 :rntz!~rntz@pool-96-248-68-233.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1449514290 978415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, expanding issues in TeX can sometimes be confusing < 1449514292 878464 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449514377 199951 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that do? < 1449514378 268575 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449514618 533446 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449515073 589332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fully expands the text before executing it < 1449515121 299877 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i do get "missing }" errors out of edef < 1449516093 623198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449516094 554851 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449516094 697397 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit < 1449516924 190117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1449517989 619375 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449518086 988922 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03HYPotenuser 5* 10New user account < 1449518631 553521 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449518661 314794 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@unaffiliated/bloodgod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im trying to figure out how to decrypt some encrypted smali. Woo. < 1449518936 606709 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese227.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449518952 302490 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449519250 308793 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese227.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449520704 593675 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449520904 559637 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449521495 560162 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449522926 83654 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-zxypueolrxyrmlfw QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449522982 633923 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449523098 308999 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449523206 525183 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dgzxsiomzgfgsvwm JOIN :#esoteric < 1449523324 580856 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449525282 566204 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449526212 619091 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449526488 578013 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449527122 4402 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. For some reason my doubly-linked list loops back on itself after a certain point < 1449527701 536254 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1449527723 848688 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449527906 649075 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It throws no errors during compilation < 1449527908 445567 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449527925 527758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't they all? < 1449527934 155699 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The offending line seems to be conductor=conductor->next;, though I could very, /very/ easily be wrong < 1449527959 162491 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removed all recursion in case it was stack overflowing. That was not the issue. < 1449527995 320800 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that conductor=conductor->next; is in a "while(conductor->next!=NULL){...}" loop) < 1449528007 503947 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm attempting to find the last item in the list) < 1449528060 716011 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not if you only follow the "next" pointers < 1449528249 729506 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :After the loop is conductor->next = &nd; nd.prev = conductor; and then the function is over < 1449528291 818673 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :conductor is a pointer to the current node when it starts, nd is the argument of the function and should be another node; the one you want to add. < 1449528299 420685 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I doing wrong? < 1449528365 844896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing linked list by hand < 1449528447 989560 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Couldn't find anything on the internet that implements it themselves. At least, nothing good < 1449528454 479032 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not a particularly good googler < 1449528508 784571 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1449528513 541752 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW I found it < 1449528516 273874 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably do conductor.next = &nd instead < 1449528555 199588 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait nvm < 1449528583 523498 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :look away everyone < 1449528615 338875 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :&kay < 1449528630 643945 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that line still feels wrong < 1449528640 120982 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the &? < 1449528725 337920 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Because I am fumbling my way around until it works and when I did that, it stuck. < 1449528804 691461 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it now < 1449528820 350568 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nd is the actual node, not a pointer < 1449528827 815921 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449528838 357686 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I suspected that was bad practics < 1449528840 869302 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*practice < 1449528851 232802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its fine < 1449528854 846111 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can't figure out how to access an arbitrary node with #include < 1449528862 379649 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me that's possible < 1449528868 937080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not necessarily "fine"; I think we're missing quite a lot of context. < 1449528872 243907 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :C code is made from bad practice < 1449528883 699509 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Oh right. < 1449528896 783212 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm fumbling my way around. < 1449528900 764738 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you are. < 1449528925 77322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if it's e.g. an automatically allocated object, generally putting pointers at one into a linked list is only useful in rare circumstances. < 1449529058 748281 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I have to go soon. < 1449529219 717629 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@unaffiliated/bloodgod QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449529408 581445 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-67.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449530493 324107 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449530666 658911 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449531804 324433 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449532678 402095 :jaboja64!~jaboja@erw74.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449532910 659928 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese227.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449533665 919062 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1449533786 561731 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449534403 63383 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adu < 1449539026 103508 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449539064 603668 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adnuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu < 1449539184 584553 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vad nu då < 1449539279 650933 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should auld < 1449539286 530909 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ac-quaint-ence be forgot < 1449539293 794281 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And never brought to miiiiiiiiiiiind < 1449539366 369686 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiippavlon. < 1449539790 248806 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswettravoils. < 1449539807 353720 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("travoils" being "hello" in esonese) < 1449540356 550048 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 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< 1449546066 356704 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw74.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449548647 379583 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449548742 627610 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449551361 957428 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1449551934 635506 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449552646 381075 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449552787 161702 :Cheio!~WhatsChat@p5DD0EA0F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1449553060 684854 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tqjkwyhsrzyfrmzf JOIN :#esoteric < 1449553920 266371 :Cheio!~WhatsChat@p5DD0EA0F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449555147 601550 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Silly Emplosions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45800&oldid=45799 5* 0393.106.77.85 5* (+165) 10 < 1449557958 252687 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viscera Cleanup Detail looks... interesting < 1449558211 223592 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1449558334 422044 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449560056 569416 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449560263 234847 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449560306 654436 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449561306 302945 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449561317 95062 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1449566080 119704 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Viscera Cleanup Detail an esolang? < 1449566089 752447 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, doesn't seem to be on the wiki > 1449566387 995875 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449566392 49433 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449566392 557544 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449566451 157703 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449566455 224069 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449566455 732295 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449566491 942550 :glogbot!~glogbot@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1449566569 270557 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449566585 386837 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1449566634 784205 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449566666 98972 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449566856 961200 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1449566991 922038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a game name. < 1449567033 607868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space station janitor simulator, apparently. < 1449567076 69932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, the trains are late. < 1449567157 487841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was supposed to be at work at 10 for a training thing. :/ > 1449567411 773006 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449567415 833858 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449567416 339560 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449567464 975149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449567465 538683 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1449567469 36328 JOIN :#esoteric > 1449567469 544367 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449567617 411015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I picked the suboptimal train too. (There were two coming at about the same time; one arrived earlier but the other skips a station. I took the earlier one because they kept changing the ETA, but the other arrived just when I went in the first one. It just overtook this one.) < 1449567944 831720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failing to do the optimal route selection for public transportation is much more annoying than it should, given that the cost of failure is (at least for these routes) usually being somewhere five minutes later than otherwise. < 1449569704 582921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dittoslash 5* 10New user account < 1449569929 659419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Dittoslash14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45801 5* 03Dittoslash 5* (+79) 10Created page with "Boopy doopy I'm a person who knows Python. :D [[http://terriblesausage.co.uk]]" < 1449570011 556444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Dittoslash14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45802&oldid=45801 5* 03Dittoslash 5* (-7) 10 < 1449570066 411308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Dittoslash14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45803&oldid=45802 5* 03Dittoslash 5* (-16) 10 < 1449571209 589643 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Slashist14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45804 5* 03Dittoslash 5* (+1448) 10Created page < 1449571325 816316 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Slashist14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45805&oldid=45804 5* 03Dittoslash 5* (+60) 10 < 1449571368 382211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Slashist14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45806&oldid=45805 5* 03Dittoslash 5* (+28) 10 < 1449571400 89835 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45807&oldid=45356 5* 03Dittoslash 5* (+181) 10Added Slashist < 1449571454 427322 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449571738 403212 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449572308 874784 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449572486 440921 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449572497 954785 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1449573581 476311 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449573826 698098 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449573838 807037 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449574078 879478 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449574089 778566 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449574329 942366 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449574340 693154 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449574523 401977 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449574763 709864 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449574775 522599 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449575015 593846 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449575027 103501 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449575267 220390 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449575274 431633 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449575278 705347 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449575357 114049 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw74.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449575597 421841 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449575610 743970 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449575850 885468 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449575862 748146 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449576034 360861 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fizziello. anything wrong with zemhill? < 1449576199 439674 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449576439 781174 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449576451 362799 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449576692 448843 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449576703 808054 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449576943 829963 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449576954 725132 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449577194 867972 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449577207 857630 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449577447 902206 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449577458 701415 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449577698 903471 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449577710 456200 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449577835 23812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1449577837 507299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1449577842 179458 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449577853 937910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did that thing again where it tries to keep sending JOIN #esoteric all the time. < 1449577864 200565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? It seems to me that the answer is probably yes. < 1449577870 828331 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449577890 812944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restarting it fixed it the last time. Maybe a bug in the IRC library. < 1449578031 551658 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: IENTOASEMA CHICKEN < 1449578738 577247 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449579040 476394 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449579928 339336 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently nethack 3.60 was released < 1449580142 6936 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dgzxsiomzgfgsvwm QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449580356 431639 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mhkzabbvhrwlbqyk JOIN :#esoteric < 1449580438 347658 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mhkzabbvhrwlbqyk QUIT :Changing host < 1449580438 401699 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449580438 863621 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host < 1449580438 917443 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mhkzabbvhrwlbqyk JOIN :#esoteric < 1449580652 148519 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449580917 855829 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooooooot < 1449582489 996547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We've migrated our internal source repository to Git, with plans of providing a publicly available "current maintenance version" in the future." < 1449582493 776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So different. < 1449583213 176258 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL < 1449583301 412351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're basically making leaks official. Or introducing a more open-source development model, if you want to say it nicely. < 1449583655 14 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I have Viscra cleanup Detail. I don't play it much tho < 1449584376 640645 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnurd < 1449584384 285066 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new operating system. < 1449584463 524406 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it supports RNU < 1449584466 320008 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rational numbers unit < 1449584739 463073 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the limit of 1 + (1 / (1 + (1 / (1 + 1)))) series? < 1449584820 656954 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: (sqrt(5)+1)/2 < 1449584837 110785 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1449584839 627990 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :golden ratio? < 1449584851 966252 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = 1 + 1 / x => x^2 = x + 1 => x = (sqrt5+1)/2 < 1449584859 525695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ >:@%^:(<_) 1 < 1449584860 311664 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1 2 1.5 1.66667 1.6 1.625 1.61538 1.61905 1.61765 1.61818 1.61798 1.61806 1.61803 1.61804 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 1.61803 < 1449584933 700831 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there generally something known about n + (n / (n + (n / (n + n)))... < 1449584938 876766 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1449584986 741385 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: isn't that just (n-1)+(sqrt(5)+1)/2 or something like that? < 1449585006 670246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ (7+7%])^:(<_) 1 < 1449585007 589246 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1 14 7.5 7.93333 7.88235 7.88806 7.88742 7.88749 7.88748 7.88748 7.88748 7.88748 7.88748 7.88748 7.88748 7.88748 < 1449585016 648839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 6 + %>:%:5 < 1449585017 562354 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 6.30902 < 1449585018 479868 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1449585021 533286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 6 + -:>:%:5 < 1449585022 405536 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 7.61803 < 1449585025 699960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :onpe < 1449585028 160792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1449585034 374157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, it's something like that < 1449585059 135381 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use the quadratic formula < 1449585191 418677 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = n + n / x => x^2 - nx + n => x = (n +/- sqrt(n^2 - 4n))/(2) < 1449585233 580431 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you use the + for +/- in this case < 1449585279 140620 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n = 5 would be 5.854101966249685 < 1449585302 407286 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = n + n / x => x^2 - nx - n => x = (n +/- sqrt(n^2 + 4n))/(2) < 1449585316 381749 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it slighly worng < 1449585357 837875 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it approaches n < 1449585361 442352 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it seems < 1449585365 544241 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah that gives the right answer < 1449585376 19740 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n+1) < 1449585380 278594 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not n, n+1 < 1449585386 762581 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n + sqrt(n^2+4n))/2 < 1449587932 577532 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449588394 332559 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449589129 358198 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Emoji14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45808 5* 03174.27.112.221 5* (+1818) 10create page < 1449590531 461053 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449590812 403661 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449591282 209306 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - 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Some have been properly considered to varying degrees, others are just vague wisps. Let me know if any interest you. * Tonal ..." < 1449603935 430470 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449604086 209325 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449604182 899219 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:HYPotenuser14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45810&oldid=45809 5* 03HYPotenuser 5* (+37) 10 < 1449604199 333891 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449604476 241300 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449604753 407382 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esb23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449604868 611550 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449604981 440907 :jaboja!~jaboja@esa233.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449605352 62482 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449605649 646948 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449605840 425875 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449605926 442263 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449606134 548181 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449607038 407297 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449607126 176816 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449607234 422712 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449607986 548701 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :E(E(m))(p) -> F(p, m) < 1449607994 797168 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :("The enemy of my enemy is my friend") < 1449608035 769235 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :E returns a predicate that accepts a person and returns whether that person is another's enemy. I /think/ I got that right. < 1449608043 466101 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449608069 32826 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Is that logical statement valid, or did I get it wrong? I think I got it wrong because the inner E returns a predicate and E doesn't accept a predicate, AFAIK < 1449608199 395949 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about... E(E(m), p) where m is me and E(x) is a list of x's enemies when single-argument and a predicate of whether all the people in its arguments are enemies of each other (if its argument is a list, then it tests for each pair) < 1449608205 494189 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449608254 841989 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comradic Logic < 1449608642 594359 :impomatic!~impomatic@249.203.208.46.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449608722 95000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: why not E(n,m) & E(p,n) -> F(p, m) < 1449608734 309386 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oh yeah. That. < 1449608867 95047 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oh, mine means that p has to be the enemy of /all/ of p's enemies, or else it doesn't work, so... < 1449608877 621591 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1449608886 437363 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1449609159 432290 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449609328 373927 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If magic doesn't exist, and friendship is magic... < 1449609342 423187 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449609421 32818 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!E(M)) & (F <-> M) -> !E(F) < 1449609462 881060 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :E(F) therefor !E(M). Phew. < 1449609469 107416 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no < 1449609475 687687 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't work. I'm an idiot. < 1449609503 1079 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1449610111 582528 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ylaragodglkfevuv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1449610456 594115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the enemy of your enemy is your friend, and you have three people that are all enemies towards each other, then they're all also friends with each other. < 1449610500 262473 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1449610555 773719 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it alwo works for any complete enemy graph greater than 2 < 1449610743 807780 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's a paradox, and is thus forbidden in Comradic Logic. I suspect that, using the logic, you can prove that there can only be two sides in any argument. < 1449610780 832009 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes what you are trying to prove an axiom < 1449611423 439510 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449611585 441086 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449612203 208375 :alienman!~James@199.216.99.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449612247 410636 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449612295 771992 :alienman!~James@199.216.99.153 QUIT :Client Quit < 1449612334 372775 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449612402 428017 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449612438 938995 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449612441 492267 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449612504 455416 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449612512 61683 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1449612809 64217 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449612912 461712 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esb23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449613022 468182 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449613171 360653 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449613456 431699 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449614836 606110 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449615024 419430 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449615100 457683 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449615258 440029 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449615301 515566 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449615479 861120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo does this work? < 1449615492 257154 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this work? < 1449615511 424180 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449615667 399427 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449615748 616519 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449616065 402379 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449616223 836604 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1449616224 136344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1449616331 360907 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449616439 777727 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449616720 426910 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449616769 676478 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449616788 415446 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449616998 186723 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. < 1449617011 947766 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :halloily. < 1449617105 570870 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449617298 354433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449617339 373182 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449617425 865778 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1449617428 53323 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :braid theory/Braid theory is the extremely twisted theory of braids. < 1449617536 419274 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449618827 603409 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1449618838 204158 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449618968 996263 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: he\\oren\. could you add 猿 please? < 1449619360 803966 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kegksxxfzamftmsz JOIN :#esoteric < 1449619973 415362 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449619982 498226 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449620113 673516 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449620439 413180 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449620559 773887 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449620581 340556 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449620623 618283 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449620882 413196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1449620916 365348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :appatently satoshi has been found? < 1449621270 174956 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopiaaaAAAAAAAH! < 1449621277 136939 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :satoshi, as in bitcoin satoshi? < 1449621630 755051 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: as an iwc forum lurker, i'd like to point out that the new "pafizip zioo" also gives evidence for "fi" hth < 1449621647 432405 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449621728 902082 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my that's a big bitcoin jump < 1449621798 904092 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's approaching year-ago levels < 1449621861 287815 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas as an iwc forum lurker, i'd like to point out that the new "pafizip zioo" also gives evidence for "fi" hth < 1449621861 419709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449621904 618075 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449622039 326502 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: pafizip zioo fi fnord? < 1449622039 607010 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is it a mission critical text document with a velvet gloves. < 1449622047 910425 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: looks like so. < 1449622048 215987 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: so this is the same for scourge's other player", a casual shrine to an amazing actor. the film. you're just a run of the mill little psycho girl, a troll caegar a dozen. < 1449622084 905015 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it's droid language, so you should already know it hth < 1449622085 284654 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so just to review, your schemes, convoluted. you are planning a heist in your underground hideout. implement nefarious as you might, you can't out troll me in these like little else, is still just that. a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by < 1449622085 538873 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know I were a little psycho girl. I always thought I was a hairy man. < 1449622100 14310 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's just how psycho you are < 1449622110 59605 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@75-164-227-134.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449622126 220595 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are picture of me crossdressing. maybe I really am a psycho girl. < 1449622160 408440 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-jord1.cryptostorm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449622170 321369 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: your single linear concept seems a little circular to me. < 1449622170 700908 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he was so much easier to come by lately. must be the connivings of your arch nemesis, betty crocker. on his 13th, 2009, the 13th of april. another day of uneventful but highly satisfying < 1449622187 468247 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it can't be circular, it's linear hth < 1449622231 905208 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another plot twist: orejan's arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. who would've known. < 1449622236 237809 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: then why is it loopy < 1449622238 91697 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rej/erj/ < 1449622243 94519 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1449622243 521538 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1449622248 831319 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1449622251 159628 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hyperdimensional fungot. < 1449622251 362650 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: he is so silly! gross dude!!! < 1449622261 403604 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oerjan isn't silly. < 1449622261 835064 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: good thing you already know there is mail in the box. and that means the beta might be here too. < 1449622315 596035 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hm i didn't know who betty crocker was, and yet a quick google shows fungot is obviously right. < 1449622315 931416 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to the left is that house shape you've seen everything! weaky, is a game construct, i think the only of your kind with this mutant candy-red blood. an outcast. he thinks it's about to be. < 1449622336 801776 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1449622338 57069 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your famous evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. < 1449622354 999482 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append oerjan His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. < 1449622359 843469 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'oerjan': Your famous evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. < 1449622482 433325 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1449622483 683191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. < 1449622494 555274 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! oerjan's wisdom's longer! < 1449622501 305549 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking. < 1449622506 436961 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it's not the size that counts, it's the boilywords ^^) < 1449622606 282431 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45811&oldid=45797 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+982) 10/* Specification */ < 1449622708 477307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45812&oldid=45811 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+50) 10/* Hello, world! */ < 1449622739 747627 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45813&oldid=45812 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449623019 598808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45814&oldid=45813 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+7) 10/* Specification */ < 1449623164 41664 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1449623170 964916 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I do for Smiley... < 1449623934 745482 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@75-164-227-134.ptld.qwest.net QUIT : < 1449624434 473012 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. what should you do for Smiley... < 1449624723 168999 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie < 1449624724 720280 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg < 1449624730 298170 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? roujo < 1449624731 299259 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roujo is a Java heretic leaning on ungrammatical Haskell. His claim to Canadianness is marred by an unholy portal to China. The treaties suffer, so the cocktail will be postponed. He does not understand shell quoting. < 1449624762 272848 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? int-e < 1449624763 690172 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e är inte svensk. < 1449624766 472056 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1449624782 10107 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. oerjan seems to be the most wisdomful. < 1449624972 665242 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading a Wired article on Satoshi < 1449624988 491117 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very, very interesting, but of course I cannot be sure < 1449625045 396385 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449625182 687544 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45815&oldid=45814 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-1) 10/* Specification */ < 1449625313 358202 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449625462 317739 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.codeeval.com/open_challenges/11/ is it cheating to solve it like this? https://arin.ga/GdNbBq/raw < 1449625552 490551 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a solution! and if it's considered cheating, metaprogram it! < 1449625552 587272 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449625565 593436 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o how < 1449625836 504533 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a program that takes a tree as input and outputs something formatted like what you pasted on aringa. < 1449625862 170374 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: gperf for producing an optimal lookup table < 1449625866 183972 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wink* < 1449625873 762507 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a gperf? < 1449625936 321776 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.gnu.org/software/gperf/ < 1449625940 616550 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect hash generator < 1449625955 603268 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fungot. neat. < 1449625955 893671 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: not that it would actually bother pitying you. whatever your adventure throws at you im sure shell, and limbering up for a silly cookie dance. or it will 8e the most powerful adversary you have ever had a physical card for the stack or queue. items can be removed, the queen is a vain. yes, the sun." -mark twain < 1449625997 686293 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's more interesting but way overkill <.< < 1449626193 509831 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also i managed to set up https correctly, yay) < 1449626501 277441 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good evening < 1449626763 87879 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\bonsoiren\. < 1449627127 798783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa. youre still here < 1449627398 7823 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :started drawing Hangul (finally). < 1449627448 989490 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to look good yet, but well, trying < 1449627663 632372 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: mouah ah ah. timeshifting! < 1449627671 415585 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PADLOCK CHICKEN < 1449627717 490402 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.97.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449628111 689204 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kegksxxfzamftmsz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1449628205 422202 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449628725 375459 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449628805 6648 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.97.24 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449628829 235262 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.97.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449628888 509443 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.97.24 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449628923 252707 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.97.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449629889 504129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449630963 479873 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opfaahwrstabhthj JOIN :#esoteric < 1449631352 614241 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449631632 554334 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449633689 48512 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449633979 563847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Emoji14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45816&oldid=45808 5* 03174.27.112.221 5* (+97) 10Add interpreter section < 1449633999 82086 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tswett < 1449634006 340652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is livin' it up with the penguins because he's so bad at following directions. < 1449634057 102931 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how would you describe me? < 1449634057 485456 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: enter name. it's a title under the cruxite in the lathe. < 1449634088 25658 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn tswett is livin' it up with the penguins. He's a title under the cruxite in the lathe. < 1449634091 106905 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'tswett': tswett is livin' it up with the penguins. He's a title under the cruxite in the lathe. < 1449634094 927972 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot < 1449634095 184704 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: as a veteran of the game in the first place, so he can just button it < 1449634097 127016 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason. < 1449634104 210841 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo < 1449634105 205552 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. < 1449634116 573953 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf / < 1449634117 206815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/' \ rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe < 1449634204 700469 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf --no-preserve-root / < 1449634214 468482 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1449634234 48172 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1449634241 438732 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't break it, did I? < 1449634353 158323 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 03(* \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ close \ *) \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ dog \ emoticons \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ ibin \ interps \ le \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ u8tbl \ u8tbl.c \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1449634371 580764 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, good. < 1449634384 120575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/sys/fs/ext4/features/meta_bg_resize': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/fs/ext4/features/batched_discard': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/fs/ext4/features/lazy_itable_init': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/fs/cgroup': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/bus/cpu/devices/cpu0': Permission < 1449634468 123572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 03(* \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ close \ *) \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ dog \ emoticons \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ ibin \ interps \ le \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ u8tbl \ u8tbl.c \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1449634593 572022 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe for the ISN I'm making I should include little widgets like a Neural Calculator and such < 1449634593 829712 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. < 1449634600 493577 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for the fun featurs < 1449634603 220317 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*features < 1449634862 767891 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat *(* *)* < 1449634863 910812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ bash: -c: line 0: `cat *(* *)*' < 1449634874 926076 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat *\(* *\)* < 1449634876 118912 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☹ < 1449634894 41570 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo *\(* *\)* | hexdump -C < 1449634895 839117 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000 3a 2d 28 20 03 30 33 28 2a 20 63 6c 6f 73 65 20 |:-( .03(* close | \ 00000010 5c 20 2a 29 03 0a |\ *)..| \ 00000016 < 1449634913 758517 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did ais523 see the news? < 1449634944 154027 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` wc -c '03(*' '*)' < 1449634944 603687 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: What news? < 1449634945 359305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 03(* \ wc: *): No such file or directory \ 0 total < 1449634959 463588 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], new version of NetHack released < 1449634964 603247 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449634965 238848 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is stuff green... < 1449634971 594926 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` wc -c '03(*' '*)' < 1449634972 489780 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 03(* \ wc: *): No such file or directory \ 0 total < 1449634973 671768 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Reasons < 1449634978 867171 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don't like them. < 1449634979 366393 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh wha < 1449635025 602958 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], it's been 12 years since the release before yesterday's release. < 1449635031 211737 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy 36d89a3cadcdf269110757df1074b4ef45fe641e. < 1449635035 809867 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa < 1449635043 551132 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` md5sum <<= 2 and sys.argv[1] or raw_input() \ cyc = itertools.cycle(["\00304,09","\00309,04"]) \ print "".join(cyc.next() + c for c in inp) < 1449636390 365049 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rainbow a b c d e f g h i j < 1449636401 817606 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1449636421 97492 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449636426 863722 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which rainbow < 1449636428 112384 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/rainbow < 1449636443 479664 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rainbow <</dev/null < 1449636692 229416 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/.hg/store/data/wisdom/sparse matrix algorithm.i \ /hackenv/wisdom/sparse matrix algorithm \ /usr/share/gforth/0.7.0/matrix.fs < 1449636713 359243 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1449636713 578208 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/wisdom/sparse\ matrix\ algo* < 1449636714 614272 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /hackenv/wisdom/sparse\ matrix\ algo*: No such file or directory < 1449636720 310816 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/wisdom/sparse\ matrix\ algorithm < 1449636721 351307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /hackenv/wisdom/sparse\ matrix\ algorithm: No such file or directory < 1449636743 823024 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`idon'tknowhowtousehackego < 1449636744 815420 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: idon'tknowhowtousehackego: not found < 1449636751 217676 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/sparse matrix algorithm < 1449636752 119823 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sparse matrix algorithms are a trivial special case of non-sparse matrix algorithms, by conjugating with the sparsification operation. < 1449636776 358219 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This wisdom is lost on me. < 1449636812 545830 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/sparse matrix algorithm < 1449636815 336703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan elliott oerjan < 1449636820 327359 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1449636833 65564 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help culprits < 1449636833 370474 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1449636843 759070 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which culprits < 1449636844 856443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/culprits < 1449636852 610534 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log 'wisdom/sparse matrix algorithm' | grep Summary < 1449636853 921378 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449636857 566828 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` pwd < 1449636858 314071 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1449636859 863075 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log 'wisdom/sparse matrix algorithm' | grep ummary < 1449636861 446924 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary: mv wisdom/sparse{," matrix algorithm"} < 1449636873 378332 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/culprits | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' sprunge.us < 1449636874 825094 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1449636876 419661 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to connect to socket 2. \ % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current \ Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed \ < 1449636884 253958 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/sparse < 1449636884 413230 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/culprits | curl --silent -F 'sprunge=<-' sprunge.us < 1449636886 318437 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to connect to socket 2. < 1449636894 758283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan oklopol < 1449636916 501683 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: you cannot connect from inside the sandbox < 1449636921 905818 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1449636930 902663 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/culprits < 1449636932 691613 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/culprits < 1449636936 699216 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try that < 1449636976 452821 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449636991 729730 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, not understanding that. < 1449637002 489338 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Sort-of getting that. < 1449637060 194009 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/culprits < 1449637061 259419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg log --removed "$1" | grep summary: | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}' | sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs < 1449637094 175848 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very long. it just runs a repository lookup and munges the output a bit. < 1449637154 571506 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part before the | awk is useful if you want to see _what_ they changed. < 1449637175 629944 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in my command above. < 1449637210 582934 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest just extracts the nicks. < 1449637249 715912 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wget http://google.com/ < 1449637265 731582 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2015-12-09 04:59:56-- http://google.com/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... Failed to connect to socket 2. \ connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... No data received. \ Retrying. \ \ --2015-12-09 04:59:58-- (try: 2) http://google.com/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... Failed to connect to socket 2. \ connected. \ Proxy request < 1449637324 728299 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think google's supposed to be on the whitelist, so if that doesn't work then HackEgo's small amount of sandbox web access is completely broken. < 1449637344 631687 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but `fetch still works. < 1449637359 787225 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bad guy: Meat Man. Copyright Infringement: Likely" < 1449637436 691290 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1449637490 473335 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep 'hg ' bin/* < 1449637494 824398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/culprits:hg log --removed "$1" | grep summary: | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}' | sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs \ bin/undo:hg diff -c "$@" | patch -p1 -R < 1449637507 654937 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing the Desktop Dungeon tutorial < 1449638197 388623 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /etc/hosts < 1449638198 616093 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /etc/hosts: No such file or directory < 1449638202 647009 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /etc < 1449638204 213955 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatives \ java-6-openjdk < 1449638208 612261 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.O Java < 1449638215 717235 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And alternatives. < 1449638219 966776 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /etc/alternatives < 1449638221 100968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :appletviewer \ appletviewer.1.gz \ aptitude \ aptitude.8.gz \ aptitude.cs.8.gz \ aptitude.de.8.gz \ aptitude.es.8.gz \ aptitude.fi.8.gz \ aptitude.fr.8.gz \ aptitude.gl.8.gz \ aptitude.it.8.gz \ aptitude.ja.8.gz \ aptitude.pl.8.gz \ awk \ awk.1.gz \ builtins.7.gz \ c++ \ c89 \ c89.1.gz \ c99 \ c99.1.gz \ cc \ cpp \ editor \ editor.1.gz \ ex \ ex.1. < 1449638227 690947 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :More java? D: < 1449638232 205333 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uptime < 1449638233 339557 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 05:16:19 up 0 min, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 < 1449638234 667317 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other things. < 1449638238 961592 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`downtime < 1449638239 872507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: downtime: not found < 1449638245 175245 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`reboot < 1449638246 15831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: reboot: not found < 1449638250 81716 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sudo < 1449638251 42252 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: sudo: not found < 1449638252 440957 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`su < 1449638253 624212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :su: Cannot determine your user name. < 1449638262 767112 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`vi < 1449638272 622542 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably just crashed it < 1449638275 262893 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. 6 < 1449638276 278106 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1449638279 495399 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ed < 1449638282 627946 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1449638283 867928 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 03(* \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ close \ *) \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ dog \ emoticons \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ ibin \ interps \ le \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ u8tbl \ u8tbl.c \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1449638284 714358 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1449638288 535188 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1449638288 794888 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which ed < 1449638289 860328 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ed < 1449638292 319891 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`killall vi < 1449638293 760612 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably crashed due to the lack of tty < 1449638295 66446 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vim: Warning: Output is not to a terminal \ [?25h[?8c[?25h[?0c[?25l[?1c~ ~ ~ < 1449638295 120416 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi: no process found < 1449638298 125441 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pgrep vi < 1449638298 848370 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449638301 436361 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pgrep e < 1449638302 203973 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pgrep ed < 1449638302 376675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 \ 4 \ 5 \ 6 \ 7 \ 8 \ 9 \ 10 \ 47 \ 49 \ 68 \ 281 \ 292 < 1449638303 16013 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449638306 496647 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: hahaha < 1449638307 524524 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ps -e | grep ed < 1449638308 262509 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: unsupported SysV option \ \ Usage: \ ps [options] \ \ Try 'ps --help ' \ or 'ps --help ' \ for additional help text. \ \ For more details see ps(1). < 1449638310 455546 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449638319 792678 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ps -a | grep ed < 1449638320 687151 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: unsupported SysV option \ \ Usage: \ ps [options] \ \ Try 'ps --help ' \ or 'ps --help ' \ for additional help text. \ \ For more details see ps(1). < 1449638325 945570 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ps --help < 1449638326 629887 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ps -faux < 1449638326 962996 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ Usage: \ ps [options] \ \ Try 'ps --help ' \ or 'ps --help ' \ for additional help text. \ \ For more details see ps(1). < 1449638327 443083 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? \ See http://gitorious.org/procps/procps/blobs/master/Documentation/FAQ \ USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND \ 0 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 05:17 0:00 [kthreadd] \ 0 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 05:17 0:00 \_ [ksoftirq < 1449638356 750439 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ps -faux | curl -n -F 'f:1=<-' http://ix.io < 1449638357 556100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: user name does not exist \ \ Usage: \ ps [options] \ \ Try 'ps --help ' \ or 'ps --help ' \ for additional help text. \ \ For more details see ps(1). < 1449638360 434663 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf \13\10PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it work? < 1449638361 427794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it work? < 1449638364 209786 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess not. < 1449638379 899976 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ps -fax | curl -n -F 'f:1=<-' http://ix.io < 1449638380 884231 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: must set personality to get -x option \ \ Usage: \ ps [options] \ \ Try 'ps --help ' \ or 'ps --help ' \ for additional help text. \ \ For more details see ps(1). < 1449638383 309990 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf "%c%cPRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it blend?" 13 10 < 1449638384 248201 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"..PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it blend?" 13 10 < 1449638385 491255 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ps -fa | curl -n -F 'f:1=<-' http://ix.io < 1449638386 700453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: unsupported SysV option \ \ Usage: \ ps [options] \ \ Try 'ps --help ' \ or 'ps --help ' \ for additional help text. \ \ For more details see ps(1). < 1449638390 332027 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf \0d\0aPRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it work? < 1449638391 316297 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.d.aPRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it work? < 1449638391 566870 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1449638396 282590 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ps -a | curl -n -F 'f:1=<-' http://ix.io < 1449638397 229988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: unsupported SysV option \ \ Usage: \ ps [options] \ \ Try 'ps --help ' \ or 'ps --help ' \ for additional help text. \ \ For more details see ps(1). < 1449638405 542524 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping -c 1 ix.io < 1449638407 45349 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1449638411 862625 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ping -c 1 ix.io < 1449638413 20203 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1449638421 29421 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :` dig +ix.io < 1449638422 128597 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1449638427 564820 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1449638431 398995 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dig ix.io < 1449638432 174235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: dig: not found < 1449638437 38551 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wget ix.io < 1449638438 557131 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname < 1449638439 486748 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux < 1449638442 300353 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uname -av < 1449638443 326153 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1449638453 10925 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2015-12-09 05:19:44-- http://ix.io/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... Failed to connect to socket 2. \ connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... No data received. \ Retrying. \ \ --2015-12-09 05:19:45-- (try: 2) http://ix.io/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... Failed to connect to socket 2. \ connected. \ Proxy request sent, awa < 1449638456 382376 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449638462 489213 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`curl < 1449638463 666176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information < 1449638477 574570 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't crash it, it recreates the VM with each command < 1449638488 939066 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1449638495 716274 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`touch butwhatifichangesomething < 1449638495 849586 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :container? < 1449638498 723483 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1449638499 44492 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449638499 711231 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 03(* \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ butwhatifichangesomething \ canary \ cat \ close \ *) \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ dog \ emoticons \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ ibin \ interps \ le \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ u8tbl \ u8tbl.c \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1449638510 432768 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :files are retained < 1449638512 985179 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`head good < 1449638514 11291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :head: error reading `good': Is a directory < 1449638519 330358 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls good < 1449638520 180306 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls good < 1449638520 446914 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :295 \ 503 \ 544 \ 755 \ 786 < 1449638521 272518 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :295 \ 503 \ 544 \ 755 \ 786 < 1449638528 218483 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat good/295 < 1449638529 795652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your friends are strong. Take their help. < 1449638532 379402 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: is it in a docker container? < 1449638535 920545 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat good/* < 1449638537 155676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: good/*: No such file or directory < 1449638540 885763 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat good/* < 1449638541 673510 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your friends are strong. Take their help. \ Feel wronged? They made a mistake. See things from their side, and forgive them. \ There is a way out. Finding it will be difficult. It may be the hardest thing you've ever done. Find it anyway. \ It takes strength to admit your own weaknesses. \ Empathize. Always empathize. < 1449638549 713405 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xe: It predates Docker < 1449638552 710116 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1449638553 999262 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ ! \ ? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ * \ ؟ \  \  \  \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ asm \ autowelcome \ benvenuto \ bf \ bienvenido \ bienvenue \ blessyou \ botsnack \ bseen \ buttsnack \ calc \ cAt \ CaT \ catcat \ cats \ cc \ cdecl \ c++decl \ chroot < 1449638561 589924 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` < 1449638562 452205 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449638562 506017 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^.^ < 1449638567 863613 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1449638570 12924 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449638570 512270 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! < 1449638571 578325 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/: Permission denied < 1449638574 618279 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`¿ < 1449638575 965130 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¯/)o_​°(\¯ ? < 1449638577 602297 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014 < 1449638578 696931 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449638580 972567 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015 < 1449638582 187960 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449638589 723491 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1449638591 44700 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D < 1449638593 427085 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449638596 208526 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cats < 1449638597 285095 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meow meow meow meow < 1449638603 750299 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guessed so. < 1449638613 694747 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know when the bot was created < 1449638628 5883 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recommends that it take an image url from zgrep.org/cats and put it into the channel :P < 1449638631 992830 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sometime in the 2000's? < 1449638646 896391 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help asm < 1449638647 234938 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1449638647 289066 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably need to make an assembly bot with an (initially) unknown machine < 1449638651 441927 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mas asm < 1449638652 436742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: mas: not found < 1449638654 872672 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`man asm < 1449638655 734313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config < 1449638658 993577 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm < 1449638661 663414 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449638664 119333 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal is to exploit a bug in the VM to escape the sandbox < 1449638664 509879 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm -h < 1449638666 71826 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: junk at end of line, first unrecognized character is `-' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: junk at end of line, first unrecognized character is `-' < 1449638677 481242 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`CaT < 1449638680 571282 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cAt < 1449638683 258616 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`catcat < 1449638687 42576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449638708 156251 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`as86 < 1449638708 323210 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449638709 489763 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449638711 871531 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449638719 425551 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca NICK :\oren\ < 1449638719 859201 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm aoeu < 1449638721 86698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: no such instruction: `aoeu' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: no such instruction: `aoeu' < 1449638725 184204 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm mov < 1449638726 166048 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: number of operands mismatch for `mov' \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: number of operands mismatch for `mov' < 1449638749 309395 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems quite promising, if I actually knew asm. < 1449639051 481041 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm int 0x80 < 1449639053 35454 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0: cd 80 int 0x80 < 1449639077 968634 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm jmp $+5; int 0x80 < 1449639079 235561 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0: eb 03 jmp 0x5 \ 2: cd 80 int 0x80 < 1449639094 379058 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm lock cmpxchg8b eax < 1449639095 760032 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0: f0 0f c7 0c 25 00 00 00 00 lock cmpxchg8b 0x0 < 1449639099 648997 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm jmp 1f; 1: int 0x80 < 1449639101 712764 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0: eb 00 jmp 0x2 \ 2: cd 80 int 0x80 < 1449639113 570666 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it's gas with .intel_syntax by default < 1449639157 998457 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm xor rax, rax < 1449639159 332839 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0: 48 31 c0 xor rax,rax < 1449639166 221090 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! asm jmp $+5; int 0x80 < 1449639167 744718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1449639185 586098 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm jmp 5(rip) < 1449639187 82717 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: junk `(rip)' after expression \ /tmp/asm.s: Assembler messages: \ /tmp/asm.s:1: Error: junk `(rip)' after expression < 1449639195 851611 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm jmp .+5 < 1449639196 994720 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0: eb 03 jmp 0x5 < 1449639208 383263 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try `! asm if you want to actually run some. i don't know asm myself alas. < 1449639238 866337 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`!asm jmp . < 1449639239 790682 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: !asm: not found < 1449639247 821448 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! asm jmp . < 1449639265 795736 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, how does your transconal definition compare with my definition of |a+b@| = sqrt(a^2 - b^2) if a^2 - b^2 is positive, i*sqrt(a^2 - b^2) otherwise < 1449639266 218249 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1449639278 718305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449639284 551297 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually remember your definition at all :( < 1449639295 838718 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than it describes more than a+b@ iirc < 1449639296 454166 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that was an infloop that timed out. < 1449639439 590926 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beret guy strikes again < 1449639572 197485 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! asm xor rax, rax < 1449639573 610689 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1449639580 279305 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`asm xor rax, rax < 1449639581 769738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0: 48 31 c0 xor rax,rax < 1449639694 980300 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1449639696 16531 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 03(* \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ butwhatifichangesomething \ canary \ cat \ close \ *) \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ dog \ emoticons \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ ibin \ interps \ le \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ u8tbl \ u8tbl.c \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1449639709 244317 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complaints < 1449639710 350674 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 Complaints.mp3 < 1449639743 243664 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url u8tbl.c < 1449639744 758567 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/u8tbl.c < 1449639808 964023 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ./u8tbl 1234 < 1449639810 56233 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault < 1449639814 720633 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ./u8tbl 1234 1 < 1449639815 685482 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449639842 537935 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1449639896 950106 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ./u8tbl 1234 32 < 1449639897 866956 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449639904 335281 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1449640141 681320 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449640333 30736 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ./u8tbl 400 420 < 1449640333 941935 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ƐƑƒƓƔƕƖƗƘƙƚƛƜƝƞƟ \ ƠơƢƣƤ < 1449640357 558183 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits u8tbl < 1449640360 564110 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren < 1449640369 468335 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449640371 585283 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he made it to make unicode tables < 1449640593 690274 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1449640606 770918 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread and thought the argv[2] was the count, not the end < 1449640755 399715 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if we've seen the guy in the last panel of girl genius before... < 1449640909 391981 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449640931 121211 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the diplomat lady fwiw < 1449641002 392849 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449641084 280546 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hppavilion[1] < 1449641170 227842 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi adu < 1449641217 700271 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Your name lends itself very well to reverse esalutations at the cost of being impossible to form an hesso out of) < 1449641403 115849 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esalutations? < 1449641415 7124 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu = adieu? < 1449641419 827918 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is false! < 1449641431 151584 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can prove it! < 1449641442 99321 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks therefore /me am < 1449641509 732350 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "adu" is short for "andydude" it's not supposed to be a french phrase, or an arabic name (do you know how many times i've wanted to punch people who called me abu?) < 1449641583 348622 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what's a hesso? < 1449641744 13870 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello adu < 1449641746 87207 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1449641751 617233 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1449641753 504289 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi adu < 1449641754 399511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi adu. Hadu. < 1449641758 392162 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take it < 1449641834 239816 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1449641840 965468 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of hellos < 1449641847 282899 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't take it < 1449642564 478279 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Eso Hello < 1449642601 610554 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And your name is still prounounced roughly like "adieu" I assume, if the "du" is pronounced like the beginning of "dude") < 1449642650 474075 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yup < 1449642654 532267 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449642671 344584 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's close enough to "adieu" to serve as a goodbye < 1449642698 542934 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: So I'm making a social network. Incrementally. < 1449642715 500064 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my name should be a synonym for "amazing coder", not "good bye" < 1449642730 549140 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, I'm developing it step-by-step and posting code as I go < 1449642738 125381 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Why can't we have both? < 1449642763 11136 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1449642792 836554 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like saying "I want my compiler to dig inside my brain to know what I want, without the brain surgery" < 1449642805 446235 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like wanting to have your cake, and eat it too < 1449642850 5075 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: What's like saying htat? < 1449642858 816132 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why can't we have both" you mean? < 1449642868 643677 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Adwim < 1449642881 211836 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hppavilion[1]: adu: Why can't we have both?" < 1449642886 606587 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449642897 419386 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry about me < 1449642903 406301 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just B.S.ing < 1449642916 689561 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you /can/ have your cake and eat it too if you have infinite cake and take into account Hilbert's Paradox of the Grand Hotel < 1449642952 965919 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is applicable here because names are reusable, according to quantum physics and brain surgery, as well as basic logic. < 1449642968 295661 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not Quantum Rocket Surgery < 1449643019 777166 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me does not know about Quantum Rocket Surgery < 1449643026 507076 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you want it to be. But it doesn't /have/ to be QRS. < 1449643048 72906 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: So what do you think about my Incremental Social Network idea? < 1449643441 984801 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a language where any text file is acceptable and does something based on /all/ the content? For example, each word is hashed then looked up in a hash table before execution < 1449643464 884680 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a highly-advanced hash either; only ~256 possible outputs or something < 1449643610 388358 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don't like it < 1449643619 799975 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Why? < 1449643817 711318 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh < 1449643827 807608 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A programming language that ONLY executes the combining diacritics < 1449644444 459603 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1449644469 426367 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449644543 427124 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449644989 994933 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1449645383 56208 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Desktop Dungeons looks like a single-player resource management game < 1449645394 154023 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So getting good at that stuff might help me with Prismata and Dota 2? < 1449645416 427039 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449646665 426781 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449647607 355331 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.97.24 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449647648 459511 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.97.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449648844 182769 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449649086 57736 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449649660 204065 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449652147 578834 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449652155 54383 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnǫrd < 1449652485 103296 :andrew_!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449652535 414491 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.97.24 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449652998 429699 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449653037 421287 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449653590 330703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I was thinking about that, but you don't have enough precision. even if < zioo > is a second and a minute is 64 of those, "fi" could stand for any of B, C, D in < pafizip zioo > if C3PO rounds in the approperiate direction. < 1449653649 193386 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it proves that "fi" is a digit, but it doesn't prove its value. < 1449653651 949812 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1449653655 388959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ^ < 1449653690 465495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and I'm not convinced about these 64 second minutes anyway. < 1449654406 89000 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449655078 617893 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449656238 884878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: wow... have you started to add hangul syllables? < 1449656250 921554 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes (a bit) < 1449656267 836882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I can see it's only a few, but still < 1449656273 151818 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be done with a fewer number of sets, so I will start small and refine later < 1449656291 294308 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the minimal set would be 3 initials, 1 medial, 1 final) < 1449656338 887027 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, 6 initials: (no final, has final) * (left, left-top, top) < 1449656347 387572 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two medials: (no final, has final) < 1449656377 151034 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives (19*6 + 21*2 + 27) = 183 glyphs initially < 1449656405 392282 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already worked on the combinatoric description of multiple glyphs < 1449656406 333026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think you can actually make do with just 5 sets of initials, because you can use the same shape for left-top without final as for left with final. < 1449656435 750601 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: however, drawing all this in a 16x16 grid will be a difficult challenge. I don't know how readable you can get it. < 1449656439 772776 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the extremely minimal font would use 1-1-1 sets :) (but I wanted to keep the square shape, thus 6-2-1) < 1449656476 992740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: no really, aren't those two roughly the same size so you can use the same shape? < 1449656494 965721 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, at first < 1449656503 223997 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, but anyway < 1449656559 592146 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should also work on various compatibility problems < 1449656567 655056 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it doesn't display on Windows at all < 1449656573 798858 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why < 1449656965 474314 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be interested if you can get it right. Font encodings are tricky and complicated. < 1449657139 823900 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there binary functions that are involutions? < 1449657161 604155 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to be more specific useful binary functions that are involutions < 1449657167 608864 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where binary means they take two arguments < 1449657268 770608 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't bitwise xor one? < 1449657308 786705 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's "left involutory" and "right involutory" in the sense that binding either operand gives an involutory unary function < 1449657317 421851 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure how you define involutions for f(x,y) < 1449657324 80481 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(f(x,y)) is missing an argumen obviously < 1449657332 549006 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, XOR with a fixed operand is an involution. < 1449657353 459494 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe f(x,y) == f(f(x,y),f(y,x))? < 1449657358 171872 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :- is an involution if you bind the left operand < 1449657390 211534 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the definition "decays into an involutory function if you bind one argumnt" is a useful definition < 1449657414 592088 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the property that things like xorswap or xor-linked lists use, unless I'm mistaken < 1449657425 415579 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be interesting to know if there's more like them < 1449657461 44875 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :", i.e. every operator is self-inverse" -- esowiki < 1449657480 905871 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise not, ^(-1), and negation < 1449657498 686310 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ^(-1) only makes sense for floats < 1449657512 795158 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise bitwise not, and negation < 1449657528 187961 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplicative inverse makes plenty sense for rationals < 1449657543 945307 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1449657545 570281 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of a brainfuck with +- replaced with !- < 1449657548 614975 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ! is bitwise not < 1449657551 336318 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and - is negation < 1449657646 239085 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's xor-linked lists, and slightly more esoterically there's subtraction-linked lists, but I guess in principle division-linked lists would work just as well as long as no pointers are NULL and you somehow represent the pointers as rationals < 1449657647 280129 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use -(!(-(! to increment < 1449657662 242460 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-(~n) is (n+1) < 1449657670 178472 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine any useful use of division-linked lists though < 1449657719 183760 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationals, or in some other way so that x / (x / y) == y < 1449657729 698327 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of course wouldn't work with truncating integer division < 1449657782 131704 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-(~n) is (n+1) < 1449657786 411874 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-(~n) is (n - 1) < 1449657793 196174 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*~(-n) < 1449657795 766972 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hink you mean ... yes < 1449657807 70689 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's correct, and occasionally useful in codegolf < 1449657838 818479 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :x/-~y is shorter than x/(y+1) < 1449659460 267687 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it would require a system with continuous memory < 1449659697 75818 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1449659697 371004 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is somewhat uncommon < 1449659710 453637 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although certainly on-topic in here < 1449660127 777412 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just map half the memory to the positive integers and the other half to the reciprocal of the positive integers, I think < 1449660139 65845 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way it's still discrete < 1449660701 577285 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait no, that's not right < 1449660708 297912 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what I was thinking < 1449660723 926688 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the memory would be continuous I suppose < 1449661031 48541 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449661508 46261 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1449661508 303229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1449661731 898186 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just caught up on Advent of Code! :D < 1449662552 452222 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449662728 192028 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm just one day behind :D < 1449662734 301210 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1449662748 328985 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily I went to bed 10 minutes before 9 dropped so last night I was caught up again < 1449662755 695210 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice one < 1449662759 865082 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time zone are you in? < 1449662767 951541 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :PST < 1449662776 539598 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I also go to bed early < 1449662796 868822 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I'm in GMT < 1449662810 658772 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm sure as hell not staying up until 5 am just to see the next challenge < 1449662837 753163 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D yeah its not that worth it to be on the leader board < 1449663695 59306 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowly trudging my way through it. still at day 6. < 1449663710 836600 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. I will catch up on you one day! < 1449663723 451322 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: OVERHAND CHICKEN < 1449664479 927449 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: I don't really remember my definition either. < 1449665319 338630 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449665587 334550 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449668949 578870 :andrew_!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449673349 759966 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone commented on tanebs lecture about esolangs < 1449673363 396172 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not a very nice comment as youtube comments tend not to be nice < 1449674312 58325 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449675909 433338 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449676018 463951 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449676223 194638 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449676949 123132 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1449677287 386584 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449678421 291639 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449679361 972404 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.192 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1449679960 469282 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449680679 475893 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3000:5821:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1449681890 427972 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449681894 417030 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I've cleared some compatibility problems, they should be now usable both in Windows and OS X < 1449682630 432180 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449683240 402990 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449683612 531366 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449684006 415290 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449684187 999576 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449684295 423738 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449684371 748222 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3000:5821:de85:deff:fe55:967a QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1449684621 92444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Seriously14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45817&oldid=45746 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+5) 10formatting < 1449685229 996275 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449685541 73294 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449685758 291814 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, for some reason getNode() isn't working on my linked list. Can't tell what's wrong with it, but it seems to hang forever. < 1449685796 453528 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically just a FOR loop that goes to the next item on the list repeatedly until it either reaches the end or has gone far enough < 1449685831 871698 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(long nd=0; nd someone commented on tanebs lecture about esolangs ← link? < 1449688700 238482 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1449688758 968951 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449689446 468476 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449689576 426759 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449690729 880552 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449691282 420790 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449691607 70265 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449692572 429756 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449692961 568427 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449693226 79996 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449693466 173690 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449693734 479192 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449693866 466985 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449694005 436482 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449694019 336374 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449694702 170946 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449694943 373663 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449695621 84507 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449695621 224816 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1449695621 278612 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449695747 451928 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449695904 620021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: great! < 1449695974 992270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: wait, what was the url of your preview page? < 1449696080 615580 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449696248 459732 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449696293 305128 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, it was https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.html and https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison < 1449696511 858438 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opfaahwrstabhthj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1449696578 310847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I suggest that you try rendering some real Korean text in this (possibly add punctuation characters necessary for that first) and try to see how nice and readable it looks < 1449696858 404089 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449697334 589582 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449698190 57416 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449698442 408246 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449698451 431629 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449699619 587661 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449700895 852685 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yrkfqwngzumnfowv QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1449701186 176345 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449701570 402255 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449701617 389039 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1449701636 981057 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal/Vorpal is really boring. Seriously, you have no idea. < 1449701646 135788 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 seconds. I guess that's a new record. < 1449701701 406737 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449702199 764043 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1449702201 853007 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :transformer/A transformer is one who used to trans, but no longer does. < 1449702214 90158 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? translater < 1449702215 487562 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A translater is one who transes a long time after the fact. < 1449702215 848998 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD < 1449702240 660392 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1449702311 426042 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchellombers. < 1449702348 518493 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/mber/nian/b < 1449702356 535960 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/b// < 1449702359 10931 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: exactly < 1449702432 315119 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchellonians? < 1449702445 422390 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1449702446 955292 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :raii/RAII means you allocate in the constructor and deallocate in the destructor. There is no 'initializer' involved. < 1449702452 867642 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1449702454 991625 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :radiohead/radiohead is "rock music" < 1449702471 198213 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1449702473 43705 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :famicom/Famicom is a famous sitcom from Japan. < 1449702477 795282 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1449702480 879697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.sv/Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information, se vår wiki: . (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.) < 1449702491 679218 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449702495 546390 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1449702498 201990 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.doorstop/You do not have the clearance necessary to view this entry. < 1449702516 249975 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get to bed... < 1449702520 542725 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to Italy tomorrow! < 1449702537 777655 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. where will you be italing? < 1449702545 238012 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ignorance < 1449702546 471460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ignorance: not found < 1449702548 640882 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1449702552 463243 :spiette!~spiette@x-132-204-251-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca QUIT :Quit: :qa! < 1449702565 368511 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wisdom < 1449702566 588112 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F="$(find wisdom -name "*$(echo "$1" | lowercase)*" -type f | shuf -n1)"; echo -n "${F#wisdom/}/" | rnooodl; cat "$F" | rnooodl < 1449702566 995492 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, Bologna < 1449702582 178099 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/rnooodl < 1449702583 164634 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' < 1449702630 685657 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Boilongnya < 1449702685 758914 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? noodl < 1449702687 684439 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooodl is the correct spelling < 1449702910 128232 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fun fact < 1449702911 242982 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1 | fact n = n * fact (n - 1) < 1449702935 747805 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles Taneb < 1449702948 899470 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I needed that for another channel) < 1449702973 792921 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas afaiu the typo was corrected from something that means _exactly_ 43*60 (there is no final 0, so it's not rounded) to something that _can_ mean exactly 43*64. you may consider that too circumstantial but it's pretty obvious what happened there. < 1449702973 964361 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449703014 35016 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I imagine you, by the way, as some guy probably in his late twenties or early thirties, weilding a 20 foot tall pole with ribbons on it as a weapon < 1449703095 819369 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-grlopyaenmqqyopy JOIN :#esoteric < 1449703103 858605 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm indeed some guy in his second half of the twenties. < 1449703211 461189 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1920s. < 1449703231 484700 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a time traveler. < 1449703267 55057 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A maple maypole, mind. < 1449703309 354885 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not, like, one of those stupid cherry maypoles. < 1449703481 80274 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1449703486 910289 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449703594 410140 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswellott. nothing but authentic maple mapole. < 1449703710 59153 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1449703799 466174 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia < 1449704344 145924 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I wonder what kind of axiom could be added to primitive recursive arithmetic in order to make it able to do transfinite induction up to epsilon_0 and beyond. < 1449704366 314265 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the world would be like if zgrep understood such things < 1449704389 382263 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's eyes glazeth over like a tim hortons donut < 1449704478 532076 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you even talk about ordinal numbers in PRA, anyway? < 1449704657 984456 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I guess you could pick an ordinal notation and define "ordinal number" as meaning something in that notation. < 1449704694 850195 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think PRA can express the concept of well-orderedness. < 1449704812 45835 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they say that PRA can do transfinite induction for ordinals less than epsilon_0. < 1449704858 627089 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 TOPIC #esoteric :The international hub for esoteric beverage design and deployment. | /ɛ̃ˈglɪʃ spɛˈliŋ ʀɘfɔʀm/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/ < 1449704955 272731 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're up to beverages? do they include Fentimans? < 1449705171 619289 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, are those beverages? < 1449705231 866525 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are quite nice bottled beverages, incidentally from Hexham. < 1449705412 438723 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449705468 706195 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, Hexham. < 1449705472 761430 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. what's your favourite beverage? < 1449705478 942955 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Hexham from "Battle for Wesnoth". < 1449705495 744825 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham is one of the world's two Luminaries. < 1449705929 928770 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: That's a tough question. Water where there's more ice than liquid water perhaps? < 1449705966 781163 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like soda, and if you were on at the time you'd know I'm too young to consume alcohol legally in America, so my options are limited to water and chocolate milk, really. < 1449705984 811702 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's the other? < 1449706053 744384 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me guess < 1449706055 162144 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot? < 1449706058 257721 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: coffee, tea, yerba mate, kombucha, kvass, mango lassi? < 1449706081 89128 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelloppro. I'm still thinking about it. probably fungotland. < 1449706081 476593 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: be in cahoots with! you guess none the wiser, you board the shuttle. next stop, it's unbecoming these movies are great. you don't care what the consequences. they allude to other things as well? < 1449706089 265111 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Don't like coffee, not british, don't know what the rest of thoe are (though I can guess that the last one contains Mangos xD) < 1449706147 644410 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lassi is a yogurty drink. < 1449706556 277627 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mango lassi is pretty good. < 1449706673 105296 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhelloq. any beveragey preferences? < 1449707081 815166 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :orxata! < 1449707100 832398 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a lassi similar to irssi? < 1449707103 972930 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... glogg! < 1449707118 844378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this kb doesnt international) < 1449707223 835481 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voiko lasata? < 1449707234 632674 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :konboilyha, quintossupia, tswello, hippavilion[1]!!!! < 1449707267 752055 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikchao < 1449707293 579786 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* pnikchao < 1449707328 61500 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pikachu < 1449707331 274341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikachu? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449707335 999730 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw it. ni hao, pikhq < 1449707385 506261 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pnikchao++ < 1449707401 757422 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I never tried horchata nor glogg. are they good? < 1449707422 453643 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\bonsoiren\! < 1449707496 460801 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I like coffee, I like beer, I like tea, I like yerba, I like mango lassi, I like soda... < 1449707501 918202 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My fav soda is Dr Pepper. < 1449707567 873057 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A&W Root Beer. < 1449707569 428848 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I like boily's greeting. < 1449707596 336892 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brio chinotto < 1449707679 102499 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoily it. < 1449707875 231271 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Wow, you added Armenian already! < 1449708054 199677 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthellorasiir. do you have a link to your font? < 1449708326 395570 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: lifthrasiir's font is at https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.html < 1449708370 573669 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07COW14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45818&oldid=40934 5* 03PixelToast 5* (+3593) 10Added instructions and hello world code < 1449708378 134559 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first contribution to the wiki \o/ < 1449708831 971093 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^hello! < 1449708839 45452 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or is it hellov?) < 1449708861 508219 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what an awesome way to annoy other mathematicians would be? < 1449708889 383005 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1449708900 658467 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write "(modulus ∞)" after every formula that isn't "(modulus )" < 1449708962 515433 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449708979 746873 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that was the next alphabet after Cyrillic :p < 1449708993 74560 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my tear was shed when I saw the Armenian Eternity Sign < 1449709091 190346 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449709287 715485 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have that one < 1449709317 345732 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a latter addition AFAIK < 1449709320 495233 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.0 or 8.0 I think < 1449709354 803486 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was 7.0 < 1449709376 427181 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took a lot to get a reasonable glyph < 1449709388 652244 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. \(\textrm{modulo}\;\infty\) < 1449709427 534116 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congruent mod infinity. I like it. < 1449709431 347754 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka \pmod{\infty}? < 1449709497 899675 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: can be an actually useful concept when you have a cardinal or ordinal number :p < 1449709767 11520 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :abita makes a damn good root beer < 1449709999 239817 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an abita about? < 1449710211 794807 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: abita this and abita that < 1449710231 357412 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION braces < 1449710292 182479 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes boily < 1449710394 921562 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, was midway through supper. < 1449710402 105684 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1449710408 468803 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flexes, practices a few swings < 1449710420 721728 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION *THWACKS* oerjan < 1449710442 406147 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sails 30 m through the air < 1449710468 590466 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a perfectly parabolical tragectory. < 1449711564 662563 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! < 1449711569 535248 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fungotting newt killed me. < 1449711569 925064 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: only one of the previously mentioned it is your birthday. a number of cakes are scattered about your room. you of course it was a nasty pair of trick! he has to go on crazy. < 1449711590 246783 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: my birthday is in some days. < 1449711590 577243 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that happens, right. the old things i've been angry about. < 1449711598 56285 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: once per year. < 1449711598 305454 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: a young man stands in his bedroom. < 1449711604 662766 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm sitting. < 1449711679 10077 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is fungot? < 1449711679 102037 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: you you might be here too. minus 5 build a way up the echeladder a while. < 1449711685 911720 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am here. < 1449711969 171432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I be to this I be to that? < 1449711992 750866 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you're new-nethacking? < 1449712007 255576 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, DCSSing. < 1449712010 895694 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1449712164 185621 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1449712186 108081 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449712616 492646 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449712624 462975 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449712671 647449 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449713013 617805 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PROTECTED CHICKEN < 1449713823 768091 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449713866 451607 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449713870 982993 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just started using Unison as a terminal font. < 1449713905 266647 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that bad, except that it does not have a fine-tuned bitmap glyph in smaller size < 1449713995 705111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there a conversation in here where people figured out that recent spectral gap uncomputability result yet < 1449714008 178237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because these guys are making some p. dubious claims about axiomatic independence < 1449714199 219524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to construct a universal wang tiling in the appropriate context, but that doesn't give you independence... right? < 1449714620 378344 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449714778 411852 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION declares this question over his head < 1449714869 620040 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, new shtetl optimized post < 1449715138 776245 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: you have it in ttf? < 1449715144 623409 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1449715169 418701 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/blob/gh-pages/unison.ttf < 1449715174 398953 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1449715209 2399 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not optimized at all, have some performance problem (due to a large number of composite glyphs I think) < 1449715213 524909 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is at least usable < 1449715232 829969 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimized? < 1449715257 83899 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! I made a simple program for graphing! < 1449715266 419956 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can look at cool sum-of-sine-wave things! < 1449715273 258991 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what't the native size? < 1449715281 244570 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12pt (16px). < 1449715318 523263 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok, then I don't need to adjust the size < 1449715319 791343 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not have a bitmap info (yet), so subpixel rendering is up to the rendering engine < 1449715345 439798 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my terminal (PuTTY) the half-filled pixel seems to be too bright < 1449715362 248082 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah a little < 1449715365 122362 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimately a proper hinting and/or bitmap data should be added to solve that < 1449715377 156938 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a variant of putty < 1449715386 950288 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pietty < 1449715524 290440 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` u8tbl 0xA0 0x100 < 1449715531 404796 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: u8tbl: command not found < 1449715543 842850 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ./u8tbl 0xA0 0x100 < 1449715545 35546 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ¡¢£¤¥¦§¨©ª«¬­®¯ \ °±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿ \ ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏ \ ÐÑÒÓÔÕÖ×ØÙÚÛÜÝÞß \ àáâãäåæçèéêëìíîï \ ðñòóôõö÷øùúûüýþÿ \ Ā < 1449715570 538241 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449715599 233589 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ./u8tbl 0x100 0x17f < 1449715600 290432 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ĀāĂ㥹ĆćĈĉĊċČčĎď \ ĐđĒēĔĕĖėĘęĚěĜĝĞğ \ ĠġĢģĤĥĦħĨĩĪīĬĭĮį \ İıIJijĴĵĶķĸĹĺĻļĽľĿ \ ŀŁłŃńŅņŇňʼnŊŋŌōŎŏ \ ŐőŒœŔŕŖŗŘřŚśŜŝŞş \ ŠšŢţŤťŦŧŨũŪūŬŭŮů \ ŰűŲųŴŵŶŷŸŹźŻżŽžſ < 1449715611 497914 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some are missing, sorry < 1449715698 917841 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv u8tbl bin; mv u8tbl.c src < 1449715703 301470 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449715727 77676 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin**n(x) is an interesting thing < 1449715765 969816 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: fixed that < 1449715794 429015 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaay < 1449715830 471376 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` utf8tbl 0x58d 0x58f < 1449715832 914138 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: utf8tbl: command not found < 1449715834 305497 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` u8tbl 0x58d 0x58f < 1449715836 754651 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​֍֎֏ < 1449715847 975384 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha, ambiguous asian width < 1449715978 501208 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does a cubic function never actually loop back down when I graph it? < 1449715992 765405 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears to flatten out in the middle before going up, but it never dips < 1449716129 132403 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if its derivative never crosses zero, that would happen < 1449716168 784339 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so e.g. x^3 won't dip < 1449716184 731883 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but x^3 - C x for C > 0 will < 1449716266 167955 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(derivative being 3*x^2 - C) < 1449716612 503785 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449717131 41202 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449717967 373259 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449718135 477275 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449718192 934039 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: those look halfwidth to me < 1449718286 723292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449718305 146493 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/sjdjs.png < 1449718876 961000 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :産畑病発登皮状狂狙狩狭省着短研秒種積究章 < 1449718877 597157 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :童競等箱節粉紀約級終結給続緑練置脈腸 < 1449718885 422919 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also updated my font < 1449720092 625173 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.137 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449720114 225064 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449720618 810579 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we can define algebras, can we define trigonometries? < 1449720638 192260 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see Kleene Trig so I can figure out what sin("walrus") is < 1449720651 336487 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-grlopyaenmqqyopy NICK :incomprehensibly < 1449720813 934113 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Have any idea how I could go about doing that? < 1449720834 507942 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, and in the case of sin("walrus"), we're dealing with the ASCIIbet) < 1449721496 379177 :v^!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449721510 768232 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Circle-trig6.svg < 1449721512 6110 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1449721536 638251 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that doesn't take into account a..., ...h, and a...h < 1449721635 568589 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449721644 987719 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if we use rectangles instead of right triangles? < 1449722141 607125 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. Why doesn't math support ALL the trig functions? xD < 1449722532 943462 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which math < 1449722598 462201 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because everything beyond sin, cos, and arctan can be easily rewritten in terms of those < 1449722639 188899 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc sec x is just 1 / cos x for example < 1449722671 593979 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we didn't even learn those in high school afair) < 1449722960 225510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the vague impression those were only used in the US these days. < 1449723152 566386 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449723197 486462 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449723204 168555 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yeah, same to me (the eterenity signs I meant) < 1449723215 378140 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure but probably PuTTY has its own wcwidth impl? < 1449723242 428607 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bingo, `wcwidth.c` < 1449723258 131621 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously don't like the wcwidth approach at all < 1449723410 292747 :PupUser0443db!~PupUser04@em117-55-65-129.emobile.ad.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1449723466 702887 :PupUser0443db!~PupUser04@em117-55-65-129.emobile.ad.jp PART :#esoteric < 1449723827 408088 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449724384 225964 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah. < 1449724467 474719 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is there a place where I can find a table of those definitions? < 1449724598 660187 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1449725148 965659 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I figured it out < 1449725174 513842 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cot(x) is 1/tan(x), right? < 1449725178 955015 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed you would < 1449725181 41285 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it atan because of what you said above? < 1449725197 956561 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not atan < 1449725203 403992 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, good < 1449725218 75431 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atan is what you need for the inverses. < 1449725222 28189 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And would I be right to assume you just divide by the inverse to get the inverse of the derived function? < 1449725225 873305 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449725243 568436 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1449725288 151753 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION seems to have half forgotten the rule for differentiating inverses < 1449725314 157966 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(g(x)) = x gives g'(x)*f'(g(x)) = 1 < 1449725363 521939 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (f^-1)'(x) = 1/f'(f^-1(x)) < 1449725414 209205 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inverse of the derived function may not be that easy. < 1449725465 444337 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449725725 327061 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449726375 367943 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449726403 402639 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449727866 463408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449728993 654965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449729151 427491 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449729430 467657 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449732596 210585 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449732686 377247 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449732912 335208 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449733156 817878 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449733177 613909 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449733206 522451 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449733412 612430 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449734654 663922 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449736062 511147 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449736068 790443 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnard < 1449736208 612086 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449736265 582667 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449736706 427265 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449737544 331879 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449737824 218914 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ise the power series < 1449737843 73896 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ? < 1449737953 28879 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: "I'd like to see Kleene Trig so I can figure out what sin("walrus") is" < 1449738110 613410 :tromp!~tromp@24.190.11.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449738205 362740 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449738252 865115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: for your font samples, maybe you should separate the sample texts to a different page from the characters, and then add Japanese sample text < 1449738260 616304 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449738297 914408 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: and I'd also like to see sample text of serbian or similar < 1449738305 288774 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, serbian or macedonian mostly) < 1449738316 576853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1449738318 803983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean cyrillic < 1449738326 236586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :serbian cyrillic or macedonian < 1449738412 474275 :tromp!~tromp@24.190.11.216 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449738912 109156 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449738984 264824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: more about your font. it seems to me as if the deseret letter es ("𐐝" and "𐑅") is mirrored from how it should look like < 1449739093 725173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: also, in the demo page, I think it would be better if the deseret letters were presented so that the capital letters take up only two lines, not two and a half, and then the small letters take up two lines in the same arrangement < 1449739195 616012 :v^!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449739344 391005 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't much like Deseret, but if you have it in your font, do it properly.) < 1449739726 145535 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449740102 820201 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, even though there's still many things to be done, I declare my project of moving to the new apartment a success in easy mode. < 1449740155 494788 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449740213 555126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449742212 609294 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449744339 491942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449744395 361246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449744670 220891 :KOKOLY!~Username@41.207.0.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449745167 145994 :KOKOLY!~Username@41.207.0.61 PART #esoteric :"Closing Window" < 1449745860 837415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449745918 465384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449746370 215109 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-pleehubajyhjraey JOIN :#esoteric < 1449747447 400840 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449747637 234534 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1449747660 401495 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :l/L is far too short to be a village in Wales. < 1449747825 333682 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449748343 260819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449748355 431006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449749073 466135 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449749143 101030 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449749204 516364 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449749445 477140 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449749794 445024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: lunch < 1449750256 62798 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449750661 233104 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TRAVERSABLE CHICKEN < 1449751257 454900 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449751367 459687 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449751387 927511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very meta; this spam email claims "Your account was detected spam activities and will be fully blocked" (sic), and includes a very spammy-looking "Re-activate now" link into masseyclarkfischer.com/upload/wp-serv/[random garbage].php. < 1449751626 873911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely spam < 1449751669 537768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTE: Failure to respond to this message, your account will be deactivated from the database. < 1449751699 343235 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449751767 272970 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's how you know it's serious < 1449751858 258756 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's been boring on the spam front for me; all I got was an attachment: payment form authentification.rar < 1449751928 493001 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :been a while since I saw a rar file < 1449751959 332924 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449751961 872457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also got a lot of "find people to date" spam that was in Swedish, over the last week or two, though now it seems to have dried up. < 1449751977 391174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some copy_invoice_29845318 < 1449751991 455433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, copy_invoice_NNNNNNNN.zip's, is what I meant to say. < 1449752002 506975 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always just get the generic ones :L < 1449752006 596778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dreaded backspace/enter conflict hit again. < 1449752023 245016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This e-mail is pursuant to your contract with Foreman&Clark Ltd. for ourservices date November 15, 2015 for the amount of $5,487." < 1449752052 360300 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449752090 751810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was from "Morton Fitzpatrick, Sales Manager". There's another message sent few hours later naming the same company but an amount of $5,633, sent by "Ulysses Small, Sales Manager". < 1449752101 568540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got a lot of Sales Managers at Foreman & Clark Ltd. < 1449752216 528338 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449752223 972760 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449752504 333938 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449752515 507278 :ais523!~ais523@147.188.254.218 QUIT :Changing host < 1449752515 561183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449752657 459140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1449752684 47439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449753023 926019 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Minsky machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45819&oldid=15064 5* 03Ais523 5* (+39) 10/* See also */ +[[Portable Minsky Machine Notation]] (which hopefully won't stay red for long) < 1449753153 127205 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portable Minsky Machine Notation14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45820 5* 03Ais523 5* (+6306) 10Minsky machines are something I discuss a lot (especially recently), and are a well-known and useful system for TCness proofs; it's about time they had the extra practical stuff (notation, etc.) to make them an actual language < 1449753183 516738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portable Minsky Machine Notation14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45821&oldid=45820 5* 03Ais523 5* (+0) 10typo < 1449753216 53711 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portable Minsky Machine Notation14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45822&oldid=45821 5* 03Ais523 5* (+0) 10apparently I mentally pronounce hyphens and spaces the same way < 1449753291 200430 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45823&oldid=45750 5* 03Ais523 5* (+39) 10/* P */ +[[Portable Minsky Machine Notation]] < 1449753329 843758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45824&oldid=45751 5* 03Ais523 5* (+38) 10+1 < 1449753611 388930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, if you see me create a language page with neither "implemented" nor "unimplemented" on it < 1449753622 770092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because an implementation exists but possibly should never be exposed to the public < 1449753713 524977 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Kangaroo14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45825 5* 03Ais523 5* (+7655) 10another language I found lying around as a result of [[The Amnesiac From Minsk]] experiments; I'm pretty sure you can compile this one into level 3, but don't have more than a proof sketch yet < 1449753802 53526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45826&oldid=45823 5* 03Ais523 5* (+15) 10/* K */ +[[Kangaroo]] < 1449753844 368641 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45827&oldid=45824 5* 03Ais523 5* (+14) 10+1 < 1449753856 139746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so wrt your comment a while back about needing to be able to actually run esolangs < 1449753874 756257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current goal is to write a PMMN compiler that's fast enough to run an Underlambda interp that's written in PMMN < 1449753874 810060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449753891 406200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449753907 616162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my current goal is to write a PMMN compiler that's fast enough to run an Underlambda interp that's written in PMMN < 1449753913 540082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also to write an Underlambda interp in PMMN < 1449754179 302435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449754241 336398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449754276 168872 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is PMMN? < 1449754338 331267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nchambers: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Portable_Minsky_Machine_Notation < 1449754350 468115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. basically minsky machines with actual syntax, rather than being a mathematical conceptualization < 1449754387 960259 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thanks < 1449754399 415964 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should work on my esolang < 1449755197 380094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok < 1449755259 696626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm on my second attempt now, once I realised that using single static assignment would solve a lot of problems (while introducing new ones) < 1449755323 433219 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449755395 827039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449755462 852736 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449755854 881913 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-stacaroyplilauvf QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449755951 615449 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-elbzbracpamepyho JOIN :#esoteric < 1449756749 464258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449756936 461675 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449758985 424406 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449759248 404046 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449759300 431130 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449759503 337960 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esb84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449759706 73839 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449762289 480139 :clog!~nef@66.114.33.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449764100 875085 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.177 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1449765589 751640 :LuboBike!6dd7613d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.215.97.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449765627 944357 :LuboBike!6dd7613d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.215.97.61 QUIT :Client Quit < 1449765674 474339 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449766571 378944 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449767099 471166 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1449767110 781889 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone read this new quantum mechanical undecidability result? < 1449767167 680379 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://phys.org/news/2015-12-quantum-physics-problem-unsolvable-godel.html < 1449768130 26681 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a Hello-World-Program in Malbolge yet with correct Caps? < 1449768156 430343 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it < 1449768158 538460 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Hello_world/Text < 1449768179 61394 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, not mixed CAPS < 1449768252 632861 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: I think there is. have you looked at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbolge ? < 1449768263 70373 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet < 1449768264 29150 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1449768333 786533 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://acooke.org/malbolge.html is the one with mixed Case which i remembered < 1449768400 140786 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Programming_Tasks and http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Simple shall allow me to write my own < 1449769566 158235 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I see a compiler error message in a bug report, and recognize that it's probably from clang, does that mean I'm programming C too much? < 1449769757 426830 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449770075 493531 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449770079 896624 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion < 1449770196 404087 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449770497 444375 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449770538 394054 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449770652 466700 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449770773 134116 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449771012 467656 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449771026 102560 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449771430 11335 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1449771482 490556 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449771536 53504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like butterflies? < 1449771536 282384 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: of apocalypse your thoughts on these developments in your gamefaqs walkthrough/ journal. it can only be a moment. it's a pretty sweet weapon with outstanding juice windfall < 1449772116 325248 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449772442 496045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449773584 280870 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449774178 602032 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've eliminated many intermediate glyphs that are redundant in the truetype font < 1449774181 110246 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have given up the C++ implementation of W'' for now and am just implementing it in Python < 1449774264 417317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: as in, automatically? < 1449774269 830483 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1449774273 640535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1449774276 885132 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :~^[_ is now an operation on deques. < 1449774324 577891 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unison.ttf: 733K -> 654K, unison.woff2: 60K -> 46K < 1449774342 751501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: will you draw the punctuation characters required for Korean, and then render samples of actual Korean text with the font, so that people can judge aesthetics and readability more than from just the list of characters? < 1449774369 495358 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's equivalent to "`BACK_ROT_LONG_FAR" in W'' < 1449774409 615589 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm, would UDHR be enough? (as in http://unicode.org/udhr/ ) < 1449774544 710568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: maybe? I don't know, I don't read Korean. < 1449774658 45134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know how many punctuation characters you need for typical texts. I assume you need the dot and the comma, but I don't know how much else. < 1449774681 706643 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Korean text generally uses same punctuations as western scripts. < 1449774695 576975 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as opposed to Japanese and Chinese) < 1449774699 859555 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? doesn't it use Japanese punctuation marks? < 1449774700 694894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1449774701 693010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1449774706 376421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would those fit in a grid? < 1449774714 48026 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to < 1449774740 795627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of have the impression that Korean has basically the same grammar as Japenese < 1449774783 802684 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's approximately correct, but Korean writing is much more similar to English writing in general < 1449774822 525359 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar in what ways? That there are letters that correspond to pronunciation more or less, as opposed to half of the text being written in kanji? < 1449774906 968493 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: words are separated by spaces, (half-width) period, comma, quotes, excl. mark, ques. mark is in common use (ideographic punctutations were used from time to time but almost extinct nowadays) < 1449774931 572166 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1449774932 287166 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can, though, say that there are some unique punctuations like middle dots in Korean writing < 1449774946 80395 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which are arguably from Japanese) < 1449774948 780291 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, European languages have lots of unique punctuation too. < 1449774973 182742 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like guillemets < 1449774976 822865 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And different rules for the common punctuation too. < 1449775018 550180 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm using it as a terminal font at work < 1449775040 648045 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have fixed some glyphs yesterday in response to that < 1449775049 945184 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you have in the terminals? Code, English text, Korean text, text in other languages? < 1449775064 75720 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC :) < 1449775070 320664 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1449775084 105147 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus code, English text and Korean text are expected < 1449775096 289334 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally Japanese too < 1449775109 848869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1449775395 154868 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I should really sleep by now < 1449775411 617445 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow I'll draw remaining Hangul jamos < 1449775420 156090 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. non-syllables) < 1449775449 501804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-syllables? as in kanjis? < 1449775463 701046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought those were rarely used these days < 1449775511 889145 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, jamos by themselves are used like acronyms or so < 1449775519 25152 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in the casual use though < 1449775531 916911 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, they should be common in the IRC log < 1449775551 613891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're like syllables but are missing the medial or the initial? < 1449775566 77158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both < 1449775574 367050 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the abbreviation should be a better description < 1449775584 106354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1449775585 269725 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual pronunciation is not set in stone < 1449775604 657346 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people seems to put ㅡ or similar to them < 1449775606 197423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many of these are there? < 1449775637 853533 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately < 1449775666 234138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, have you drawn all the syllables in modern use? the set seemed complete enough to me, but I wouldn't have noticed if some were missing < 1449775680 786738 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19 initials, 21 medials, 27 finals make about 50 of them (without duplicates) < 1449775692 452626 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 11,172 syllables in the modern Hangul < 1449775698 785275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1449775718 92386 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ancient Hangul in the precomposed form would fill the entire Unicode planes < 1449775729 373392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1449775786 78626 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449776006 510605 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449776202 102407 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there elliptic equivalents of the trigonometric functions? e.g. sine(x) (not to be confused with the sine of x, sine is elliptical sine by analogue to sinh) < 1449776328 121438 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRIANGULAR GEOMETRY < 1449776352 631237 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is that a thing? If superelliptical geometry can be a thing, then square geometry is definitely a thing...) < 1449776567 464610 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449776650 159305 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooooooooooolaaaaaaa < 1449776665 346346 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome.es < 1449776675 700274 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome.es: not found < 1449776681 707165 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't the command, is it < 1449776736 891328 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1449776738 130761 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome < 1449776741 62485 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13EFnet 04or 07DALnet.) < 1449776760 267878 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: That command? < 1449776781 63785 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the one aimed at spanish users who stumble in here < 1449776785 375957 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449776786 416789 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is:yorhelsing soto later 10 hablo en ingles pero no mucho < 1449776799 980759 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido < 1449776801 504195 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.) < 1449776803 953481 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1449776812 800807 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ustedes hablan en español < 1449776816 969726 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1449776842 761095 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1449776870 608302 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español, hernandes! lo siento < 1449776903 331656 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449776912 807781 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1449776932 654161 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: Out of curiosity, what are the spanish-speaking users who stumble in here expecting? < 1449776943 129436 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :que que < 1449776946 935468 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion1: the channel name starts with "#es" < 1449776950 891041 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449776955 24582 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :de que hablan < 1449776966 950011 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what < 1449776979 58139 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :no espanol < 1449776979 823746 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hernandes1 thinks it means "español", but it does not < 1449776989 864021 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :hablamos japones < 1449776994 740137 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :konichiwa < 1449777001 765544 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :que tu hablas en español < 1449777012 2605 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we really need a more descriptive `bienvenido, but i don't speak spanish...) < 1449777016 894290 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :mi espanol estas mierdo < 1449777064 29438 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1449777076 677085 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :konichiwa < 1449777079 601078 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :experiense < 1449777080 814526 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: Should we make a `noespanole command (no squiggly because most of us don't have that on our keyboards) that explains that this channel is not what they're looking for < 1449777085 500314 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :doutashimasuka? < 1449777089 252166 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most likely < 1449777105 26996 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :o genki desuka? < 1449777112 491420 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They might be looking for it, but it would also note that few of us actually speak spanish) < 1449777113 927868 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :que de hablas < 1449777146 211979 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1449777155 724668 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:o < 1449777173 341441 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe PRIVMSG #esoteric :hernandes1: hablo el arte de su puta madre una mula < 1449777175 621892 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hernandes1: Voy a tratar de aclarar a través de Google Translate. Esto no es una sala de chat en español. Tal vez trate de hacer en # ubuntu-es. < 1449777199 97192 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :de que hablan < 1449777207 205807 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soy un kid < 1449777237 550625 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dale < 1449777276 785852 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hernandes1: no están hablando de ti :) pero aquí nadie habla español < 1449777292 677106 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449777309 694220 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew thank you google translate < 1449777315 329318 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449777328 139361 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hernandes: Pocos de nosotros habla español y esto es un canal de programación; probable es que usted está buscando algún otro canal. Lo lamento. < 1449777364 713149 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449777385 353358 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449777393 91209 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hernandes: Pocos de nosotros habla español y esto es un canal de programación; probable es que usted está buscando algún otro canal. Lo lamento. < 1449777500 333048 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1449777613 145193 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :de que < 1449777692 380477 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soy niño < 1449777692 501748 :hernandes!~canaima@186.188.85.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449777693 401862 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449778060 556511 :tromp!~tromp@24.190.11.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449778115 427474 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449778118 424720 :hernandes1!~canaima@186.188.85.248 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449778350 576673 :tromp!~tromp@24.190.11.216 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449778654 577292 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449778966 571974 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74.114.87.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449779268 766465 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esb84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449779316 596489 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449780192 415736 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449780352 424432 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449780353 706133 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449780362 514939 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449781148 175057 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449782013 678811 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74.114.87.65 NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1449782080 408176 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449782506 132106 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find -type f -exec grep 'irc\.dal\.net' {} \; < 1449782530 574488 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's not even in the message < 1449782539 681036 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449782542 142040 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find -type f -exec grep DALnet {} \; < 1449782573 370889 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449782588 954285 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1449782591 731764 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1449782624 731641 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for f in bin/* wisdom/*; grep -q DALnet "$f" && echo "$f"; done < 1449782625 694577 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `grep' \ bash: -c: line 0: `for f in bin/* wisdom/*; grep -q DALnet "$f" && echo "$f"; done' < 1449782634 779567 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for f in bin/* wisdom/*; do grep -q DALnet "$f" && echo "$f"; done < 1449782666 162599 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/esoteric \ grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory < 1449782682 170245 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs, gives up < 1449782690 61667 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/welcome < 1449782691 13696 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; } < 1449782692 807921 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449782696 814629 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric < 1449782698 92488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet. < 1449782705 369751 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1449782706 712502 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1449782719 490959 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why wouldn't it find that one too < 1449782761 429322 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449782821 152089 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1449782844 736298 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find / -type f -exec grep DALnet {} \; < 1449782875 647594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: /sys/bus/cpu/uevent: Permission denied \ grep: /sys/bus/cpu/drivers_probe: Permission denied \ grep: /sys/bus/clocksource/uevent: Permission denied \ grep: /sys/bus/clocksource/drivers_probe: Permission denied \ grep: /sys/bus/workqueue/uevent: Permission denied \ grep: /sys/bus/workqueue/drivers_probe: Permission denied \ grep: /sys/bus/plat < 1449782901 210244 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I got some output at least < 1449783504 34732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find wisdom -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -l DALnet < 1449783505 704901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/esoteric \ wisdom/welcome.fr \ wisdom/welcome.nl \ wisdom/willkommen \ wisdom/welcome \ wisdom/welcome.sv \ wisdom/welcome.es < 1449783551 383068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep -i dahl wisdom < 1449783554 282893 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/dahl:dahl dih dahl dahl \ wisdom/oerjan:Your famous evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. < 1449783560 389197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/dahl < 1449783563 542336 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e ais523 oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull Phantom_Hoover < 1449783618 39709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dahl < 1449783619 550392 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dahl dih dahl dahl < 1449783621 720242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find wisdom -type f -exec grep -l DALnet '{}' + # or the find-only version < 1449783623 164997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/esoteric \ wisdom/welcome.fr \ wisdom/welcome.nl \ wisdom/willkommen \ wisdom/welcome \ wisdom/welcome.sv \ wisdom/welcome.es < 1449783645 620185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I could have remembered the "-exec ... +" feature without consulting the documentation. < 1449783652 853015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember there was a reason for dahl but i've forgotten it entirely < 1449783666 213867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have managed the regular -exec ... \; but that would've done far too many greps. < 1449783903 344368 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1449783912 287837 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about + < 1449783978 65276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been just xargsing it up, sometimes with -print0/-0 if I feel real fancy. < 1449784003 97257 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the fact that -print0 / -0 is needed is a bit ugly < 1449784179 61734 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1449784183 490092 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :“If you use this option, you must ensure that your $PATH environment variable does not reference `.'; otherwise, an attacker can run any commands they like by leaving an appropriately-named file in a directory in which you will run -execdir. The same applies to having entries in $PATH which are empty or which are not absolute directory names.” < 1449784205 972680 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew about the former, of course, but what is the problem with having empty directories in $PATH? < 1449784234 669315 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the same < 1449784243 206426 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll be interpreted as relative < 1449784251 538246 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1449784278 437023 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they start with a leading slash? seems silly < 1449784293 74626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empty entries, not empty directories. I think. < 1449784299 389625 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1449784304 944919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: if an entry has a leading slash, it's not an empty string < 1449784306 872573 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that makes more sense < 1449784317 519449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a problem with having PATH undefined by the way, < 1449784318 271299 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I read it as entries pointing to empty directories < 1449784387 182684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1449784390 996327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shouldn't be a problme < 1449784407 380432 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449784446 595163 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although entries pointing to an empty directory on a floppy disk or network drive or similar unaccessible file systems can be a problem because it can slow down exec < 1449784485 49596 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense < 1449784494 79667 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the emptiness doesn't really matter in that case < 1449784540 144518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS is even worse, for historical reasons, because no matter the path it looks in the working directory of the current drive first, and if the PATH contains a reference to a nonexistant drive you get an error (a nonexistant directory on a valid drive isn't a problem) < 1449785499 415722 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449785676 775987 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449786431 964281 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74.114.87.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I just graphed y=x^7 < 1449786577 731663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :o...k < 1449786580 371299 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74.114.87.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You kind of have to round < 1449786586 978743 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74.114.87.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ^ is exclusive or < 1449786591 664182 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74.114.87.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not exponent < 1449786601 244959 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74.114.87.65 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot that some people don't think and read in python < 1449787494 678394 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449787838 435359 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449788152 425360 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449788317 879862 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449788667 112604 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk PART :#esoteric < 1449788686 607029 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74.114.87.65 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449789732 949516 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mhkzabbvhrwlbqyk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449789816 455628 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fiukloavikvhgpni JOIN :#esoteric < 1449789986 825797 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1449790278 836385 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion1 mauris: Should we make a `noespanole command (no squiggly because most of us don't have that on our keyboards) that explains that this channel is not what they're looking for <-- that's essentially what `bienvenido _is_ hth < 1449790279 4377 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449790391 568591 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] it's impossible to communicate effectively with people who keep changing nick (aka you have a @tell at hppavilion1) < 1449790391 738981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449790634 522469 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DUCK14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45828 5* 03Hurricane996 5* (+529) 10Created page with "Duck is a [[Joke language list|joke language]] made by [[user:Hurricane996]]. The language is different for every interpreter. When you write an interpreter, any program does ..." < 1449790861 139007 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449790881 188813 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have plenty of Esolangs < 1449790887 618097 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I'm going to create for us? < 1449790898 767555 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I don't think we have any of? < 1449790984 611683 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449790992 445524 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hth < 1449791005 50215 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just joining with a secondary nick to check for a message) < 1449791041 796055 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1449791069 622049 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Knowledge Representation Format. Something like XML or JSON, but eso-. < 1449791075 511077 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :effectivity, that's us < 1449791094 170766 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan What? < 1449791109 9342 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :effective communication hth < 1449791123 755304 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449791129 27958 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hurricane99614]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45829 5* 03Hurricane996 5* (+42) 10Created page with "Hi. i just want this here to be consistent" < 1449791144 881214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Hurricane99614]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45830 5* 03Hurricane996 5* (+20) 10Created page with "Same as my user page" < 1449791151 12825 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were referring to "A Knowledge representation format..." xD. I was thinking "Wait, we're a KRF?" < 1449791195 754905 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I got the message. It looks like the existing command is just a translation of `relcome and might not be clear if it's a spanish-speaking user looking for something else other than the DALnet channel. < 1449791196 664477 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The international hub for esoteric KRF design and deployment. | /ɛ̃ˈglɪʃ spɛˈliŋ ʀɘfɔʀm/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/ < 1449791208 883644 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what I understood the person on earlier to be < 1449791213 747634 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449791228 393379 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: but it's not, there's an extra part in it < 1449791260 352688 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah. < 1449791645 144516 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449791897 39740 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449791906 59009 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449792316 304892 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ESON14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45831 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+2568) 10Created Page (incomplete < 1449792379 340157 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ESON14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45832&oldid=45831 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+15) 10Forgot to cover floats < 1449792531 397095 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, /"[^\s]*/ is referring to render as code < 1449792539 505105 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you have any clue why, oerjan? < 1449792544 676847 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*refusing < 1449792587 253696 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tag actually renders (but not the closing tag) and the box (but only that box) renders as unformatted text < 1449792603 861592 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try ... < 1449792613 162982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449792647 489058 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Nope < 1449792714 297038 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449792731 41935 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that one, weirdly < 1449792745 187703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be the " for some weird reason < 1449792804 551233 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. Replaced it with " and I get the same error. < 1449792846 146072 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ESON14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45833&oldid=45832 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+5) 10/* Commands */ Tried to fix formatting. Gave up. < 1449793406 974352 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh heh < 1449793464 375987 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ESON14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45834&oldid=45833 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+2) 10The error was somewhere completely different < 1449793565 143970 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i replaced almost everything by &entities;, it didn't help, and i tried removing to see if the entities where being recognized at all. then i saw the error move to the next row... < 1449793571 381648 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449793579 57476 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only then did i think to look at the previous one. < 1449793727 207365 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird how that didn't affect the intermediate cell at all... < 1449793786 180591 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449793837 219957 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in the html it's all escaped, except that the missing is probably autoinserted by the < 1449793887 128270 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: my guess is that the wiki somehow handles detection and table formatting independently, causing a crazy confusion when a tag is missing. < 1449793915 476751 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449793930 821315 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But there isn't a tag missing < 1449793939 736878 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there was < 1449793940 903260 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used , but it doesn't render. < 1449793954 822695 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the on the _previous_ row was missing < 1449793959 660088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah! < 1449794079 501234 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably caused the wiki to think the next was inside a , so it escaped it. < 1449794106 60925 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somehow this happened independently of the table formatting < 1449794153 605081 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and html (at least in my browser) is flexible enough to auto-close/ignore the erroneous and tags remaining < 1449794228 612007 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449794252 900951 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? KRF < 1449794260 314232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KRF? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449794270 171359 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in other words, mediawiki parsing is insane, piecemeal, and ad hoc. < 1449794280 511868 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellœrjan! < 1449794287 185664 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoily! < 1449794308 975457 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KRF is mediawiki's parsing? < 1449794312 908547 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn KRF is the Norwegian Christian Democratic Party. < 1449794317 633580 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'krf': KRF is the Norwegian Christian Democratic Party. < 1449794341 5650 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: actually it's ... i've forgotten it already but it's hppavilion[1]'s latest idea. < 1449794367 172867 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something format < 1449794401 184395 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION preserves the mystery by not checking his backscroll < 1449794404 11409 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and YLE is the Finnish Broadcasting Company. < 1449794415 91234 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thing doesn't need to be known to be known hth < 1449794425 304074 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1449794531 479547 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm progressing through the Advent of Code. I used the loeb combinator to solve day 7! < 1449794625 924688 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes that this is something that would cause his webreading catchup to go backwards if he allowed himself to get sucked in. < 1449794690 397563 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think esolangs.org is sliding to the point where i'm giving up on it < 1449794698 972075 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beuh :( < 1449794710 956638 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(somewhere around September 15 iirc) < 1449794781 395861 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449794810 304532 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i do that, i might be able to get r/reddit caught up to the beginning of november soon. < 1449794813 987201 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1449794816 957280 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*r/haskell < 1449794856 591629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knorwegian? < 1449794878 910942 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Kristelig FolkeParti, technically. < 1449794891 342888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you feel about your completionist tendencies < 1449794906 360463 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: despair hth < 1449794919 234005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also since when do you .-terminate your irc sentences < 1449794934 765248 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm afraid i might need glasses at some close point in the future. < 1449794974 865355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with mugs < 1449795002 368317 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not very transparent. < 1449795066 914178 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i dunno about the .s but at least i'm not consistent about it. < 1449795156 411579 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esb84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449795158 799288 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449795207 463524 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew < 1449795215 90402 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iksrygavncykekxv JOIN :#esoteric < 1449795235 191911 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. < 1449795489 601856 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi boily < 1449795491 553213 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloily < 1449795512 982226 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESON is the KRF referred to in the topic < 1449795521 905242 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like JSON or XML, but esoer < 1449796168 249632 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :konboilyha! < 1449796237 783606 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\コレンバンハ\! < 1449796274 446559 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449796338 268292 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: shouldn't it be konboilywa < 1449796388 435690 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelloppro! it depends on the romanization scheme hth < 1449796402 900729 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but yours is definitely wrong < 1449796405 751192 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it? < 1449796421 180864 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I katakanaed it because reasons. < 1449796436 5480 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't the last kana change, then? < 1449796438 785336 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it usually is こんばんは, with the infamous は. < 1449796442 328804 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually know < 1449796462 353344 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ワ < 1449796468 228584 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. I'm not an expert in historical kana usage, which I guess would dictate which one to use. < 1449796500 604692 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the `bienvenido command *does* say that most people here don't speak Spanish. < 1449796506 896050 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick research indicates that yeah, katakana is always phonetic < 1449796521 416518 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't use ハ for wa ever < 1449796558 794752 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doink, you already got @told that. < 1449796575 769988 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it seems that it was actually the reverse, i.e. the final ha is spelt ha and pronunced wa (then later standardized to phonetic values except for postpositions) < 1449796637 939504 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh. < 1449796652 204913 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ハ/ワ/ < 1449796659 181628 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that the topic marker particle は was always written "wa" rather than "ha", in, like, every romanization scheme. < 1449796686 878367 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not every. Wapuro romaji doesn't. :) < 1449796761 900768 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you sometimes get syo/sho, si/shi, ha/wa, wo/o... < 1449796782 600510 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another good argument to conflagrate Norwegian and Japanese together. < 1449796807 665365 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like wapuro romaji < 1449796830 852092 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's WYSIWYG? < 1449796834 700978 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wapuro is particularly helpful in that it actually can encode some kana use that other schemes don't. < 1449796850 412088 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it's not WYS (what you speak)) < 1449796852 590459 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: yah. < 1449796896 468943 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, like you can distinguish onee from onei < 1449796934 960100 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449796949 845880 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oo (big) from ou (king) < 1449796972 406867 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can actually write "ti" (as opposed to "chi") < 1449796995 782751 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that be texi or teli? < 1449796999 407056 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be texi < 1449797048 252762 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yeah, yeah. < 1449797065 857763 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ti" is more informal Hepburn-esque romanization. < 1449797071 3167 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like dexizuni- (disney) < 1449797133 309333 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dexizuni-. < 1449797142 889012 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1449797162 371021 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( are there any conlangs/transcriptions that explicitely encode weird keystrokes like that? ) < 1449797188 816842 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "t`exis`uni-" if you use pikhq romaji. < 1449797260 353613 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1449797265 723858 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaahahahahaahahahahahahahah < 1449797281 35413 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1449797294 488816 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :` representing dakuten? what do you do for the ° in 'p*'? < 1449797295 480619 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1449797296 390771 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you broke oren. brorenke. < 1449797299 340183 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1449797301 172380 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ^ < 1449797320 891181 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, literally. I thought it was a pointer to a previous message first < 1449797323 753097 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1449797328 509893 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esb84.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449797328 610752 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm better now < 1449797340 104053 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Basically all I wanted was a trivial mapping from kana to ASCII, for... Honestly, shits and giggles. < 1449797352 10588 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :As good a reason as any < 1449797414 455 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the only advantage is it can represent really unusual kana use, as in Ainu. < 1449797443 558713 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what language family that was in, but it was something entirely non-japanese, wasn't it? < 1449797446 547956 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"axinu itaxku", for instance. < 1449797453 922135 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yep. Language isolate. < 1449797463 173564 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1449797474 356754 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of language isolates around there, huh < 1449797502 329340 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite plausibly the isolates are "just" so distantly related it's hard to demonstrate a connection. < 1449797507 364780 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps some day in the Far Future we'll be set about all these languages... < 1449797519 125363 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... But, then, if they're related they're so distantly related we can't tell. :) < 1449797626 141887 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449797677 556353 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start figuring out how to generate hangul. I think I'll be generating them in BDF format < 1449797930 469835 :andrew_!~andrew@119.137.86.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449798491 426095 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp. I relapsed into drug abuse. < 1449798496 226419 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(namely minecraft.) < 1449798693 553262 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Oh, phew. You had me worried for a second xD < 1449798833 503062 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My grapher looks REALLY cool when you enter "x sin abs; x cos abs; 0 x sin abs -; 0 x cos abs -;" < 1449798860 319020 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one thing I'm physically addicted to: coffee. < 1449798860 431853 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's RPN if you spend too long trying to figure out what monstrosity I created where you can treat - as a number) < 1449798870 759026 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Everyone is addicted to coffee < 1449798874 247779 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except me < 1449798877 441470 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most mormons. < 1449798943 471600 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you mostly mormon? < 1449798947 198110 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I jsut entered "x tan abs" and now tangent makes sense to me. < 1449798949 206781 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: No. < 1449798977 486334 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistically, yes, given that alaska seems to have a higher-than-average concentration of mormons, but I'm not a mormon personally. < 1449799059 17617 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x sin x 5 / sin x 5 * sin + < 1449799059 270159 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : is cool < 1449799088 682799 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, x sin x 5 / sin x 5 * sin + + < 1449799114 840533 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll implement my grapher into W'' < 1449799152 806869 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like "\x GRPHVAR := GRAPH" should do < 1449799241 669925 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that isn't quite right. Probably... < 1449799284 414114 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[| |] GRAPH perhaps? The x is pushed onto the stack before evaluating the block the result is popped off? < 1449799289 891627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds good. I'll do that. < 1449799435 200516 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x sin x 5 / sin x 5 * sin x 10 / sin x 10 * sin + + + + abs < 1449799454 71788 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make any trigonometric equation look cooler by adding "abs" to the end, unless it's always > 0 < 1449799533 98940 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postfix? < 1449799546 305855 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes. < 1449799548 640909 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right < 1449799556 776432 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot that I'm exclusively using RPN right now xD < 1449799583 452442 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never really used a postfix calculator or language a lot, so I guess it's just not part of my mental model < 1449799594 118904 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :elegant as it is < 1449799651 637535 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I'm making a whole language intended for use in Postfix < 1449799722 425953 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a concatenative language then < 1449799837 187295 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I suppose < 1449799867 79664 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of that blog post, "why concatenative languages matter". it's a good read < 1449799879 320889 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost 100% postfix instructions; the only parsing done after lexing (other than comments) is blocking code < 1449799895 705187 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes, haskell feels very concatenative. especially when using arrows. < 1449799900 718509 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, turing [| |] into a block < 1449799904 568137 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*turning < 1449799932 307857 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried making it in C++ < 1449799939 691430 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got hung up implementing a linked list xD < 1449799945 66541 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moved to python for now < 1449799946 479325 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ... why < 1449799950 115226 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::list < 1449799959 339633 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Tried that. < 1449799983 515384 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to be able to easily access elements like I can in python, else I can't wrap my head around it xD < 1449799989 692404 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK for a bit < 1449800022 133644 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what do you *actually* want out of your data structure? std::list doesn't support random access out-of-the-box because it's an O(n) operation < 1449800066 185646 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::next can do it with a bit more work < 1449800095 461659 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: STRUCK CHICKEN < 1449800212 548198 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1449800548 365591 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net NICK :Todpunk < 1449800566 901123 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :copprello < 1449800613 48324 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the most concatenative of functional concatenatives? < 1449800820 454728 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinnichiwa < 1449801570 955680 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :qpdbqpdbqpdbqpdb < 1449801636 324481 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449802817 559936 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449802971 598942 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6TQ44rigEc < 1449805246 214665 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449805949 685974 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d QUIT :Quit: compilerdev.net - Compilers made easy < 1449806492 180998 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chørp* < 1449806602 30137 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat canary < 1449806604 80132 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spjætt! < 1449806635 579118 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '*tsjørp*' >canary < 1449806639 685028 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449807364 222917 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449809446 177354 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449810991 454952 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449811119 626904 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i thought last girl genius comic it looked a bit like her < 1449811268 402061 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449811657 883133 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm after this i wonder if my wild theory that higgs could be a jäger might be correct... < 1449811706 87803 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a what? < 1449811715 328865 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a jägermonster hth < 1449811729 684466 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one that doesn't look like a monster < 1449811800 667246 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if jenka can look that human then someone else might look even more so. < 1449811874 387588 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if "many faces" means she's actually a shapeshifter < 1449811901 470448 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, then she wouldn't have needed to hide her face before. < 1449812567 260605 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and here i had thought it was because it was particularly hideous...) < 1449812733 339785 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:306c:ea03:f638:6668 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449812750 557807 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:306c:ea03:f638:6668 QUIT :Changing host < 1449812750 611637 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449812760 868350 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449812809 930743 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :woudl it be better to draw hangul in one stroke width only, or vary the stroke width depending on the complexity of the character? < 1449812984 412885 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for kanji, I did the latter : 人 has thicker strokes than 談 < 1449813016 113110 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter I think < 1449813150 183401 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I think hangul syllable is denser in y axis than in x axis, so I would prefer the former in terms of consistency < 1449813191 538959 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the dense ones first < 1449813198 363887 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then see how the sparse ones look < 1449813213 90484 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe higgs is the spymaster. < 1449814064 24213 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Where are your backslashes? < 1449814230 712816 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca NICK :\oren\ < 1449814233 363656 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1449814302 584444 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now working on a program in C to generate hangul as a BDF fragment. Then, I'll manually put the fragment into the BDF for my font < 1449815271 452150 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449815529 389599 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449815959 902510 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAARGH < 1449816059 28385 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you accidentally an rm < 1449816134 527206 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but my hangul are, uh, not working < 1449816179 689119 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be messing up my BDF somehow < 1449816180 731723 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x tan abs; 0 x cot abs - < 1449816180 917972 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : is cool < 1449816190 337381 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, forgot to stripi a newline < 1449817899 41226 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449818718 581079 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449819162 532115 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449819214 515950 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449820712 80478 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iksrygavncykekxv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1449821448 611406 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449821870 429460 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449822148 405694 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449824117 319804 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449824851 331093 :andrew__!~andrew@119.137.86.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449825072 470828 :andrew_!~andrew@119.137.86.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449825995 466651 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-199-116.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449826432 445511 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-199-116.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449826522 472688 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: you're working on hangul too? great! < 1449826962 193405 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449827686 161246 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449827722 162247 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449827723 490961 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord < 1449828528 229219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Claire's hair strange, or is it just drawn strange, in today's http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3110 < 1449829398 339323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was just a new hairstyle. It was a bit like that two days ago too. Though the first panel looks weirder. < 1449829823 477346 :jaboja!~jaboja@176.221.125.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449830971 301300 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get how "bubble pumps" work < 1449831000 898528 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is cold water heavier than warm water? < 1449831150 882647 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably less dense at least < 1449831192 909618 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you heat up the water which creates vapor in it < 1449831197 4769 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that decreases the density < 1449831218 428737 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the pressure from the cold water is thus more forcing the hot water/water vapor mix up the tube? < 1449833730 939837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The density isn't monotonic with temperature, even when you're in liquid phase. < 1449833753 612899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall the densest point is something like 4 degrees. < 1449833767 242859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://linkingweatherandclimate.com/ocean/waterdensity.php random graph < 1449833783 31776 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449833806 739700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Above that point you'll have cold water denser than warm water. < 1449833862 989557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know anything about bubble pumps, this was just a comment on the density.) < 1449834023 102238 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you are my density ) < 1449834043 896554 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1449834056 920630 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically under swiss laws my blog post about GOT would be illegal :( < 1449834062 337805 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1449834085 16851 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :publicicly disclosing security vulnerabilites would be illegal as well. < 1449834117 792803 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is shitty < 1449834230 324414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile in the UK, we've (I'm not sure I can already call it "we", I don't feel very UK-ian) got https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_Communications_Data_Bill coming. < 1449834306 224229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_Investigatory_Powers_Bill rather. < 1449834341 814281 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, what's GOT? < 1449834351 280016 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :game of thrones? < 1449834365 351600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Global Offset Table. < 1449834369 857179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm presuming. < 1449834371 846736 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, darn it. < 1449834380 808396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw chatter on it on-channel. < 1449834380 966604 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, I thought this was some offtopic channel < 1449834390 162885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not far wrong there. < 1449835548 337965 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bellonder|. have I asked you your approximate geographic coördinates and body weigh? < 1449836407 418519 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449836953 605305 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EKRANOPLAN CHICKEN < 1449837369 420207 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449837663 465456 :andrew__!~andrew@119.137.86.43 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449838078 466533 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449838472 138346 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: from reading the Wikipedia article about bubble pumps, I don't see anything about heating. < 1449838579 114718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what are bellonder|'s approximate geographical coordinates and body ewight < 1449838579 410340 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what the hell was that? my, that is a smart mouth you have. it plays a role in the outcome of the kids' game session. < 1449838597 34566 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: with peanut butter? < 1449838597 345156 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you have a great appreciation for the fine arts. you use the hammer and nails. they will come a day < 1449838701 266044 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ah, I just watched this one about how a coffee maker works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j4Q_YBRJEI < 1449838821 523802 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in that video, the pressure from the cold water reservoir is irrelevant because the valve is closed when water is spewing out of the pump... at least, some of the time. < 1449838870 992079 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My best guess is that what's happening is that the heating element boils some of the water at the bottom, which causes it to expand greatly, and this expansion pushes water out of the top of the pump. < 1449838966 161708 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449841144 427464 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449841154 427600 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449841705 911160 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fiukloavikvhgpni QUIT :Changing host < 1449841705 965060 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449841706 300117 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host < 1449841706 353988 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fiukloavikvhgpni JOIN :#esoteric < 1449841813 92245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Soothing Balm a white instant that gains life with art depicting two humans, rather than a red creature with an ability to bite? < 1449842338 23288 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't get it < 1449842350 427102 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449842548 462691 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449842652 225776 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_percolator#/media/File:Coffee_Percolator_Cutaway_Diagram.svg < 1449842655 257787 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- there's also this < 1449842664 92658 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't seem to have a valve that blocks in one direction? < 1449842925 131541 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449843468 426156 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449843500 466066 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449844010 422725 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449845083 465780 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449845319 138258 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD JOB! ★ < 1449845353 398741 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emily is a great computer scientist < 1449845370 448513 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449845400 776109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? balm < 1449845410 102906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :balm? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449845417 191649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sable < 1449845418 493463 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sable? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449845439 97620 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? emily < 1449845441 259514 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emily? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449845500 782035 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I am referring to todays QC < 1449845546 372785 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1449845639 641210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Emily and Tai are done great, it's Claire's hair that seems unusual to me. Is it messed up, or drawn bad, or what? < 1449845728 466396 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the artist changed his method of drawing hair to a more mangaesque style. Look at Penelope's hair in recent comics < 1449845890 700034 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, wavy hair is not common in manga, given that pretty much all japanese people have straight black hair. so it makes sense that wavy hiar draw in such a style would look weird < 1449845939 779989 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that's possible. thanks for the explanation. < 1449845979 244028 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could also explain why Tai's hair looks strange in http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3108 < 1449846002 214034 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the change started at about 3104 < 1449846051 949084 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, now I look at it, Hannelore's hair looks unusual as well in http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3106 , only I didn't notice it because Hannelore is very easy to recognize even without her hair shape < 1449846098 288037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow many of the characters of QC don't look distinct enough to me. < 1449846110 11948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe it's just that there are too many of them. < 1449846128 716760 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distinct in appearance that is. < 1449846136 20164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do have consistent and distinct personalities. < 1449846174 41923 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe there's also that they've changed in style a lot since the comic started, because Jeph learnt to draw well. < 1449846240 870860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://russell2.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/comic/millie/comic?n=20080616 is a great illustration about that, although Dana's style didn't change as much as Jeph's < 1449846474 408355 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449846814 808672 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DUCK14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45835&oldid=45828 5* 03Hurricane996 5* (+5) 10 < 1449847665 493434 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449848209 101545 :jaboja!~jaboja@176.221.125.46 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449848969 304810 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-199-116.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449850069 429418 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449850096 425945 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-199-116.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449850334 402799 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449850358 689331 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode � < 1449850360 995326 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+FFFD REPLACEMENT CHARACTER \ UTF-8: ef bf bd UTF-16BE: fffd Decimal: � \ � \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1449851270 164210 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:3var14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45836&oldid=45653 5* 03205.236.81.253 5* (-20) 10/* Extensions */ < 1449851705 725316 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449852828 738827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Spoon14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45837&oldid=31336 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+60) 10/* External resources */ www.bluedust.dontexist.com dontexist < 1449853270 939165 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.198 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1449854434 363199 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449854653 11227 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45838&oldid=44563 5* 03Mbomb007 5* (+54) 10online interpreter < 1449854809 669204 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lqdgsshjjdnshaio JOIN :#esoteric < 1449856245 455227 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449856405 437035 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh a new online interpreter for retina < 1449856982 931653 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1449856986 767185 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :retina, was that the .NET regex thing? < 1449857024 8404 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I apparently somehow glossed over the HackEgo link < 1449857261 426349 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1449857321 431418 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449857446 508670 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449857597 331633 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449858872 614218 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449859416 558200 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449860696 519703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449861196 448302 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449861199 569753 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449861398 158676 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449861470 104273 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye! < 1449861646 498603 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449862264 600641 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449862362 418293 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449862861 244445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449864863 101430 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449864891 467954 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449864971 810314 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, zzo38 < 1449865535 368291 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :W'' is going nicely < 1449865552 638811 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You didn't eshello. < 1449866245 452148 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449866313 243993 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lqdgsshjjdnshaio QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1449866624 242336 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo! < 1449866627 978027 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@74.210.154.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449866632 859500 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got Map ("|->") working in W''! < 1449866920 453471 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@74.210.154.193 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449866945 510786 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449866956 830693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making many more Magic: the Gathering cards in the computer; I have written them on the paper and now I will put them into the computer. That is generally how I do, when I am not near the computer. < 1449867038 149449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: great < 1449867160 548493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: by the way, have you looked at ais523's thesis? http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/6120/1/Smith15PhD.pdf < 1449867190 301839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses! < 1449867200 506081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that work for nothing. < 1449867206 97904 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1449867209 286194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should apologize to ais523. < 1449867212 754982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1449867232 499168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I will look < 1449867245 746636 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[| 3 * |] 1 [] :: 2 \ :: 3 \ :: |-> gets [3, 6, 9] < 1449867326 940601 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: he's explained that it looks so bad mostly because of some stupid formatting requirements by the university. so I asked whether he will later make a version that looks better but doesn't try to conform those requirements. < 1449867349 354490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, have you looked at oren's and lifthr*'s font? < 1449867351 325733 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It creates a block (anonymous function) that pushes 3 and multiplies the top 2 items on the stack when called, then pushes 1, pushes an empty list, concatenates, repeats < 1449867374 274909 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1449867387 672589 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add some syntactic sugar so lists can be written more easily? [ 1, 2, 3 ] equivalent to 1 [] :: 2 \ :: 3 \ :: ? < 1449867437 748944 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd a be a bit of a pain, but it might be worth it < 1449867459 971372 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you're wondering why :: is cons instead of :, it's because : is laconic DUP) < 1449867503 17169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: why would I wonder? standard ML has : and :: backwards compared to Haskell < 1449867523 322905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie. in haskell : is cons and :: is type restriction, whereas in standard ML, :: is cons and : is type restriction < 1449867532 879891 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449867543 144781 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well in W'' :: is cons < 1449867549 127918 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and : is DUP < 1449867563 818815 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it isn't even backwards, it's entirely unrelated < 1449867584 136656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are the lowercase Greek alphabets slanted to left? < 1449867607 883109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: slanted to the left? what? < 1449867618 514772 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: So should I add [ ... ] syntactic sugar? < 1449867642 220807 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I thoguht they were ordinary italic greek letters, only taken from computer modern which slightly clashes with the latin letters in the formulas which are from Times < 1449867654 515367 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I've no idea, because I don't know what your language is like < 1449867664 395014 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Now that I think about it, it'd be kind of difficult to implement with nesting lists) < 1449867679 619074 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Fair point. I'll publish some docs soon. < 1449867692 834906 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my language has too many builtins so far < 1449867694 792862 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: they might look like slanted to the left compared to the italic latin letters < 1449867714 827491 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go through the docs and decide which ones I can make lightweight < 1449867725 395678 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, more of a reference than docs) < 1449867746 288685 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was more bothered that they're wider, and have bigger serifs, that's how cm always looks next to times to me < 1449867768 489811 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they are slanted to the left compared with straight letters and punctuation < 1449867788 304519 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wait, are you talking about the lower case or the upper case greek letters? < 1449867793 849429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lowercase < 1449867803 988818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which page and which letter in particular? < 1449867809 757175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them < 1449867809 912595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't see them that way < 1449867839 172086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you need to use Computer Modern fonts together with Times you could program a new Computer Modern font with parameters design to be compatible with it < 1449867878 925008 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but the difficulty with that is that it's processed with the ordinary TeX engine so you need a TeX font metric for it < 1449867888 556985 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would look nice, but I admit it's not trivial to do < 1449867920 66661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theta and gamma in the formulas definitely look to me like they're slanted to the right < 1449867928 864489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like italic letters in formulas should < 1449867942 992483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just slanted a bit less than the italic latin letters < 1449867951 292665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my computer all of the lowercase Greek letters in that document (and only the lowercase Greek letters) are slanted to the left. < 1449867970 352593 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's strange. are you looking at the pdf version? < 1449867973 919020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1449867981 357530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the version you linked, isn't it? < 1449867994 708649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I linked a html page from which you can download that < 1449868002 777693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am using Firefox to view it and not Adobe < 1449868028 689516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you linked http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/6120/1/Smith15PhD.pdf it is the PDF < 1449868029 260609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at it with okular, which uses a modified xpdf engine < 1449868032 850481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1449868033 624946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1449868053 714962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't try to look at it with adobe or firefox or chrome yet < 1449868108 845974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't even have Adobe on this computer; the only other program I have to view PDF is Ghostscript and I have not tried that one yet) < 1449868119 48066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this sounds strange. You'll have ot bring it up with ais523 I think. < 1449868127 288211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449868158 220642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can render to images to show what I'm seeing, but that won't help you debug this. < 1449868163 523815 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just entered x sin x cos / into my grapher < 1449868165 746471 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dear god < 1449868169 632027 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recognize that form < 1449868198 700465 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's exactly identical to x tan < 1449868207 377795 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trigonometry is fun < 1449868259 317955 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1449868260 721757 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x tan x cos / < 1449868260 950041 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : is fun < 1449868270 77049 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is all RPN, if you haven't noticed xD) < 1449868302 830540 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x tan x sec / = x sin < 1449868320 925199 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, in rpn that should be x tan x sec / x sin = < 1449868375 200359 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x tan x cot / < 1449868375 538003 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : is just a bunch of parabolae or something < 1449868488 807125 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x x * 150 / x sin + < 1449868492 408296 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wavy Parabola < 1449868514 173595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may also write a SQL program to convert my cards.txt file into a SQL database (but keeping the text version too and using the text version as the main version to edit); and then even such thing can be done with the SQL version including user comments, random selected, etc < 1449868514 626293 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x x * 150 / x sin + x 10 * sin + extra wavy parabola < 1449868586 167350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: does it do parameteric plots? plot an archimedean spiral, then animated Lissajous curves with the angle offset varying by time! < 1449868591 444533 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449868607 881919 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Haven't implemented parametric things yet, not sure if I can < 1449868611 609920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: 1 x / sin, the topologist's sine. < 1449868614 719065 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try though < 1449868638 431435 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x x sin + < 1449868638 751308 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : is the wavy line. < 1449868661 713119 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: do it! Lissajous curves are funny, eg. http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=621188 < 1449868666 750573 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other functions should I mess with? Anything fun outside Trig? < 1449868667 182970 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449868676 144975 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should implement the Hyperbolic Trigonometric Functions? < 1449868743 529713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: implement everything. it shouldn't be hard, if you're not writing the implementation, just using existing functions from a C or C++ library that work on machine doubles, right? < 1449868780 653291 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x 5 %; x 10 %; x 15 %; x 20 %; x 25 %; x 30 %; x 35 %; x 40 %; x 45 %; x 50 % < 1449868804 897637 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Python's math library < 1449868835 848133 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1449868928 233514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure, { + - * / < == <= != min max floor ceil rint trunc sqrt sin cos atan exp log frexp ldexp } are IMO the most important, but it doesn't cost much to add other numeric functions, right? < 1449868946 735071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a sqrt builtin, right? < 1449868972 360986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and conditionals < 1449868984 567677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a useful language should have those < 1449868992 321522 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of variables also help < 1449868992 476550 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1449869018 145588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since I don't know your current state of your language, or your goals, it's hard to say anything. < 1449869132 508395 :v^!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449869196 131707 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1449869275 568792 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449869565 487022 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Oh, the grapher is a different program (for now) that also happens to be stack based < 1449869572 377278 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have most of those < 1449869602 115167 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :min, max, floor, and ceil are the only ones I don't have, plus the relationals because it's for graphing and relationals usually are boolean < 1449869856 993586 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the vertical log? Like how Parabolas are the vertical sqrt? < 1449869889 136954 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :exp. < 1449869965 617457 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: Ah < 1449870033 181590 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x => log (exp x) = x < 1449870033 374395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .hs: 1: 4:Parse error: => < 1449870041 303201 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> log (exp x) = x < 1449870041 513010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .hs: 1: 19:Parse error: = < 1449870046 312009 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> log (exp x) == x < 1449870048 322227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 5 tests and 1074 shrinks): < 1449870048 492323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.9605634343007796 < 1449870066 312716 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floats. <ω< < 1449870157 469937 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1449870183 189331 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is pretty bad. Which is why I prefer to store all data in reducible algebraic objects. < 1449870199 56831 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> (log (exp x) - x) / x > 0.00001 < 1449870200 996938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 1 test): < 1449870201 163483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0 < 1449870204 891544 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :log(exp(x))==x because log(exp(x)) reduces to x < 1449870250 447216 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \(Nonzero x) -> (log (exp x) - x) / x > 0.00001 < 1449870252 418444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘Nonzero’ < 1449870252 472222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘NonZero’ (imported from Lambdabot.Plugin.Haskell.Eval.Tru... < 1449870270 721275 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t NonZero < 1449870272 225064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> NonZero a < 1449870280 299180 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \(NonZero x) -> (log (exp x) - x) / x > 0.00001 < 1449870282 203379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 1 test and 1084 shrinks): < 1449870282 371781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : NonZero {getNonZero = -0.8879352820856286} < 1449870328 430878 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man I am just derping around here. < 1449870352 764710 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \(NonZero x) -> abs ((log (exp x) - x) / x) < 0.00001 < 1449870354 702678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 41 tests and 11 shrinks): < 1449870354 871962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : NonZero {getNonZero = -7963.282355550385} < 1449870386 542189 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \(NonZero x) -> abs ((log (exp x) - x) / x) < 0.0001 < 1449870388 250487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! Falsifiable (after 28 tests and 8 shrinks): < 1449870388 380747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : NonZero {getNonZero = -907.4096946139496} < 1449871034 205147 :glitchomatic!~glitchoma@154-193.sh.cgocable.ca QUIT : < 1449871146 789777 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449871578 675585 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.9 < 1449871594 986743 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.9 < 1449871596 376167 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monacle < 1449871806 228946 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449871821 449581 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449872066 81111 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449872507 333239 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449873666 788643 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1449873923 396132 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449874014 911544 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1449874028 162454 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :footnote 8/Isn't it fun reading through all the footnotes? < 1449874036 166055 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`footnote < 1449874037 513212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: footnote: not found < 1449874044 293310 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? footnote 1 < 1449874045 850556 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :footnote 1? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449874052 839613 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? footnote 8 < 1449874054 334842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it fun reading through all the footnotes? < 1449874058 20226 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? footnote 7 < 1449874059 499621 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :footnote 7? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449874065 488699 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting... < 1449874067 647482 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`footnote < 1449874068 905445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: footnote: not found < 1449874074 322938 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? footnote < 1449874075 951768 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :footnote? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449874082 660481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/footnote//cat "wisdom/footnote $1" < 1449874082 914259 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? footnote 2 < 1449874092 159821 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/footnote < 1449874092 279982 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. Spoiler: it's the only remaining footnote, last of its line hth < 1449874094 357675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :footnote 2? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449874095 636677 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: THankn you < 1449874113 205145 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`footnote 1000 < 1449874114 545339 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: wisdom/footnote 1000: No such file or directory < 1449874117 956111 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf. thachaf. < 1449874125 3141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time HackEgo writes that message it messes up my terminal. < 1449874138 397260 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Weird < 1449874145 260925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's kind of annoying to write commands that you know are going to fail in a public channel. < 1449874154 173920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least a bunch of them in a row. < 1449874171 411055 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Excellent >:) < 1449874227 617687 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: THe second `footnote was because I forgot I'd sent hte first `footnote, and I was checking if there were any other ones hidden < 1449874260 924765 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn headnote 1/Headnotes are boring. Let's go fly kites! < 1449874266 385493 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «headnote 1» < 1449874281 892608 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe I should've made that #8, or possibly -8) < 1449874283 663725 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`evil < 1449874285 76117 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL A PUPPY EVERY DAY. < 1449874293 972158 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/evil < 1449874295 174872 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat "$(find evil -type f | shuf -n1)" | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]' < 1449874301 117651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1449874309 362479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1449874316 30027 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I create "morallyambiguous"? < 1449874342 596622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1449874348 480699 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449874360 76941 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PULL THE TROLLEY LEVER" < 1449874368 861944 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"STEAL BREAD TO FEED YOUR STARVING FAMILY" < 1449874425 855888 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GLARE AT A PANDA" < 1449874433 433573 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TURN AN UNWILLING MAN INTO A WEAPONIZED CYBORG IN ORDER TO WIN A CIVIL WAR THAT HAS BEEN RAGING FOR YEARS" < 1449874441 617075 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B| < 1449874459 937899 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#reference) < 1449874465 532571 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1449874470 931749 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twitter-oriented programming language < 1449874494 661212 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashtags, @ replies, etc. < 1449874688 991722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a Cyborg Neural Net < 1449874721 172870 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A neural net with special CS related nodes (e.g. a queue node instead of any normal node) < 1449874894 72167 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like stacky langs because you can just join two programs with a space and essentially combine them into a new program bourne of both < 1449874898 996660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1449874910 776128 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps stack-based languages would be good for Evolutionary Programming because of that < 1449874998 671585 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449875002 287101 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION probably just discovered something that's been studied for the last 15 billion years (note the age of the universe in comparison) < 1449875101 249043 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Push Down Automatons? < 1449875117 259670 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Universe is big. there are multiple things in it. < 1449875157 212542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: is this trying to be an essentially stack-based language that tries to hide that by some syntactic sugar, like Slang? < 1449875175 782882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Slang => http://www.jedsoft.org/slang/ < 1449875199 16790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by stack-based, I mean something between postscript and forth < 1449875225 424726 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It is not; the [ ... ] syntactic sugar is because making a list via consing and swapping is incredibly hard to read. < 1449875274 256131 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it is stack (or more accurately, deque)-based. Very much so. < 1449875416 364065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: in that case, why don't you just add a ] operator like in postscript, which isn't syntactic sugar? < 1449875444 638361 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: What does it do? < 1449875463 537437 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, ] is taken for the basic rot) < 1449875499 60492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :postscript has a stack with synamically typed entries, the [ operator pushes a special value called a mark, and the ] operator finds the topmost mark value on the stack and makes an array from everything up to that, popping those values and the mark < 1449875533 77460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current way you make a list (consitently) is "[] \ :: \ :: \ :: ... \ ::", which builds a list in the order of the items < 1449875535 843043 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :midn you, postscript also has curly braces which are special syntax (not ordinary operators you could define) and make a literal array, sort of like quote in scheme/lisp < 1449875547 188357 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. < 1449875573 404417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well sure, you want multiple array functions, ] isn't the only function that builds an array < 1449875586 304207 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? forty < 1449875589 336571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forty means "in a fort-like manner" < 1449875596 510486 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to think about what symbol to use though < 1449875615 628991 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :postscript also has mutable arrays with fixed size, like scheme, so you can make an array of a particular size and later modify entries by index < 1449875617 924889 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The brackets [, ], [|, and |] are all taken, and I want something typable < 1449875629 578648 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<[ ]> perhaps? < 1449875643 79382 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: mark and array ? < 1449875647 720971 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I believe that is wrong; wouldn't that be fortily? < 1449875651 474708 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it have to be puncutation? < 1449875688 203297 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Pretty much. [a-zA-Z_][a-zA-Z0-9_] names just get pushed and you have to call them with ` < 1449875697 662766 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<[ ]> sounds nice < 1449875701 976693 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, looks < 1449875743 310824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :postscript has some strange brackets too. ( ) makes string literals, [ and ] are operators, but there's also iirc < > << >> [[ ]] and more < 1449875769 926907 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1449875780 233607 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< >> < > are shifts and comparisons, respectively in my langauge < 1449875783 119389 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language < 1449875845 242129 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: PDF definitely has <<>>. weird things happen in PDFs. < 1449875851 809075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :< > makes string from hex encoding, <~ ~> makes string from base85 encoding (postscript files often encode font data and other data this way, although late enough versions of postscript can technically also have binary stuff in it) < 1449875877 56350 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: how dare you doubt the correctness of the wisdom, eh? < 1449875880 657076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ } makes quoted arrays < 1449875898 797211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< >> construct dictionaries from the stack the same way as [ and ] construct arrays < 1449875929 311003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's not actually that many strange brackets < 1449875932 632382 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some languages have more < 1449875950 701053 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Mine uses [| and |] to delimit code blocks. < 1449875977 772841 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far, nobody seems to use 【】. < 1449876019 377895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? willomy < 1449876021 96612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :willomy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876024 282375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sqornshellous < 1449876025 569984 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqornshellous? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876027 176147 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? maximegalno < 1449876028 702099 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximegalno? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876028 810952 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[| : `even \ 3 % 0 = | |] |-? filters out numbers divisible by either 2 or 3 < 1449876031 942928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? maximegalon < 1449876033 398341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximegalon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876055 424970 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brontosaurus < 1449876056 947741 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brontosaurus? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876066 532651 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pendelhaven < 1449876068 61153 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pendelhaven? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876068 949711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth has [ and ] as normal (well, mostly normal) words too, though they don't do anything to the stack -- [ enters interpretation state, and ] enters compilation state, so that you can stick in literals in your compiled word -- like the definitions : foo 2 2 + ; and : foo' [ 2 2 + ] literal ; quite similar, but for the latter there'll be a literal 4 in the definition of foo'. < 1449876086 712355 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqornshellous? a nut with a tough shell that can't be cracked by squirrels? < 1449876097 506200 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Brontosaurus/A brontosaurus is an ancient mythological creature. They were well known for having mapoles for teeth. < 1449876101 441855 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «brontosaurus» < 1449876117 424968 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spelled that wrong, didn't I? < 1449876119 200853 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1449876119 468148 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no. it's a planet mentioned in HHGG or something like that < 1449876138 556625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nacatl < 1449876139 889369 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nacatl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876141 918237 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmyk. < 1449876149 964699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zero < 1449876151 541500 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876154 196906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? magnet < 1449876155 599061 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :magnet? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876158 217403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? armpit < 1449876159 193867 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? i < 1449876159 798470 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :armpit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876160 758035 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love monoids < 1449876162 926674 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? x-man < 1449876165 516024 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x-man? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876166 642179 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? superhero < 1449876168 290162 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :superhero? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876171 912903 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? imaginary unit < 1449876173 402304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imaginary unit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876178 336481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? j < 1449876179 728096 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :j? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876185 906732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? big six < 1449876187 403778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :big six? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876188 590599 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? big five < 1449876189 729867 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :big five? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876195 168869 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn imaginary unit/The imaginary unit is what you get when you take the square root of love < 1449876199 61334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «imaginary unit» < 1449876218 469142 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1449876219 977319 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876226 165834 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `? < 1449876227 749789 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876239 544246 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876241 148012 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¯\(°​_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1449876243 603785 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, grep says the mattresses come from Squornshellous Zeta < 1449876272 479924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forth : foo 2 2 + ; : foo' [ 2 2 + ]L ; foo . foo' . see foo see foo' < 1449876273 651690 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 4 \ : foo \ 2 2 + ; \ : foo' \ 4 ; < 1449876276 983768 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a game where you are a God < 1449876288 28076 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is controlling the universe via command line. < 1449876290 392178 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess Squ. is actually a star. < 1449876347 623918 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45839&oldid=45815 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+2) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449876351 813154 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you weren't thinking very clearly when you created the universe and you drained most of your power doing so. Now, you're stuck with some CMD bullshit, and not even a Unix CMD. < 1449876375 988225 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wait, I just sounded stupid, didn't I?) < 1449876425 819129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CMD makes me think of cmd.exe which is terrible < 1449876430 100233 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:\> BEEP < 1449876442 976429 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yep < 1449876471 688454 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supposedly Windows 10's cmd is decent, haven't switched to 10 yet though < 1449876502 708024 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you like the idea of God Mode Command Line? < 1449876571 600785 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to comment about how my response was going to make me look like a technophobe because language recognition weirds me out, but command line parsing is simpler than that < 1449876599 832021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? footnote 1 < 1449876601 171293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :footnote 1? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449876612 121960 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: There is no footnote 1 < 1449876617 271728 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo wisdom/*footnote* < 1449876617 582762 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not the footnote you're looking for < 1449876618 621828 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/footnote 8 < 1449876620 907169 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wabes his hand < 1449876628 223698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? footnote 8 < 1449876628 712747 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION then waves his hand < 1449876629 933303 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it fun reading through all the footnotes? < 1449876644 348 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew there was a footnote :) < 1449876646 157710 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint-e < 1449876655 29419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45840&oldid=45839 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+478) 10/* Specification */ < 1449876656 299812 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hints today < 1449876669 877728 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1449876672 888327 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION replaces int-e with isize-e < 1449876798 874726 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :setPhysics gravity 2.3 < 1449876812 593435 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Increase gravity to 2.3 times the standard gravitational energy) < 1449876875 594250 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have a script that lets web users set gravity to any value. Don't bother escaping the arguments or using an API that accepts anything other than a string to make command line calls < 1449876896 211955 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Sseleno, hmm ) < 1449876919 428211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45841&oldid=45840 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-36) 10/* Hello, world! */ < 1449877004 351605 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve cube - why bother, you already know how to do it in 20 or fewer moves... < 1449877136 652687 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1449877141 886784 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't follow that < 1449877178 803807 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all love bobby tables < 1449877192 96402 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a web page that, when you submit a form, does "setPhysics gravity $blah" where $blah is the data from the form. Don't do anything that prevents users from doing things other than setting gravity. < 1449877248 111891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bobby Tables: https://xkcd.com/327/ ) < 1449877273 934883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :intmax_t-e, the biggest (signed) int-e of them all. < 1449877304 784094 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but etymologically that's wrong < 1449877317 401048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449877445 960031 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ah < 1449877470 504347 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to make the game force you to play from a command line shell < 1449877645 903560 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't programming languages allow 0q-prefixed integers I wonder... < 1449877651 679922 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For quaternary, of course < 1449877675 197831 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0q302 == 0b110010 < 1449877716 397117 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a crowdsourced calculator? Basically, a big neural network would be employed and people can teach it operations < 1449877791 786118 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Crowdculator, if you will < 1449878078 464031 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have a crowd < 1449878117 229152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allowing 0b for binary isn't all that ubiquitous either. C doesn't. < 1449878160 837703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Let's pretend I do. < 1449878182 299985 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I use a neural network or some other form of machine learning? < 1449878203 733728 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ooh, ooh. < 1449878208 456274 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want it to be /too/ accurate, but I want it to give occasional wacky results and accept weird input < 1449878224 197139 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea (completely unrelated to what you're currently talking about). < 1449878229 145558 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could call the crazy operation (See: Malbolge) on "walrus" and True < 1449878234 271410 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What's the idea? < 1449878258 66001 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "double stack programming language". It's an esoteric programming language that simply consists of two sub-languages. < 1449878262 678233 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449878264 671540 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? < 1449878268 2814 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1449878274 223088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a Crowdculator < 1449878282 806907 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each of the sub-languages describes a push-down automaton, so it only has access to a finite amount of storage plus a stack. < 1449878287 642877 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion < 1449878291 917920 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the two sub-languages are totally different. < 1449878303 50788 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449878317 329969 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have one stack, that can't be Turing-complete. If you have two stacks, you can. < 1449878353 854104 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in order to do useful stuff, you have to get the two languages to cooperate with each other. < 1449878357 145514 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a language designed to start holy wars whenever the topic of its computational class comes up? < 1449878373 557010 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intersting < 1449878380 977182 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intersting. Yep. Inter-sting. < 1449878433 740235 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: so I think theoretically a neural net should work pretty well. < 1449878442 337085 :jaboja!~jaboja@djt193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449878444 434427 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, uh... < 1449878446 776977 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449878458 741515 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you feel about reimplementing more complicated versions of state-of-the-art techniques? < 1449878475 964994 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do that, you'll be golden. Golden, I tell you. < 1449878573 925722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Why would I need to do that, out of curiousity? 0.0 < 1449878583 414583 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just going to use pybrain xD < 1449878609 890919 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are lots of different flavors of neural nets. < 1449878622 740666 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The basic flavor just takes a tuple of numbers as input and spits out a tuple of numbers as output. < 1449878623 433365 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion[1]! < 1449878638 187159 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449878641 623498 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 0b for binary works in gcc. < 1449878687 42187 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a neural net is practically incapable of doing certain tasks, such as remembering information for any amount of time, or comprehending multiple instances of a class at once. < 1449878702 376035 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Of course, I want to deal with strings in some cases, so.. < 1449878704 249370 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1449878722 784778 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1449878728 169585 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. And the basic way to deal with strings is to use a recurrent neural net. < 1449878738 175718 :v^!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449878752 59696 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the sort of thing that Karpathy's char-rnn program implements. < 1449878784 620371 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: And could I use PyBrain for that? < 1449878790 565473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Yes, but not in C. < 1449878799 758101 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, lemme look up PyBrain. < 1449878801 766722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pybrain supports recurrent neural nets, I believe) < 1449878833 195951 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the website: "PyBrain is a modular Machine Learning Library for Python." That right away makes me think the answer is probably yes. < 1449878834 52695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm contractually obligated to bring up TensorFlow at this juncture. (Okay, not really.) < 1449878843 653827 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, great. < 1449878862 36647 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Let me guess. Machine learning library? < 1449878868 852581 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a language? < 1449878878 318464 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps one in which a person can program? < 1449878883 520546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, more or less. < 1449878887 682955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.tensorflow.org/ < 1449878927 609270 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the introduction on the site < 1449878937 775847 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Immediately: Oh god, category theory is nagging me again < 1449878949 173203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty new, and also pretty generic, so it might not be quite as... how should one put it, task-oriented, than some other machine learning libraries. < 1449878969 419530 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449879038 745699 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Should I use it instead of pybrain? < 1449879042 763316 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I need to know < 1449879090 918160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have an opinion on that, because I'm pretty sure it depends on what you'll be doing. I wouldn't be surprised if it was (possibly a lot) better performance-wise, but maybe you're okay with smaller models and/or have less data. < 1449879129 398954 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449879135 194962 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll use TF for this < 1449879141 988817 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks interesting. < 1449879146 139950 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by that I mean the site is pretty. < 1449879166 339704 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if TF is really a feasible thing to use here. < 1449879177 207909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Team Fortress. < 1449879179 486771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got more stuff on the tutorials section than I was expecting at this point in time. < 1449879186 558635 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... does TF have neural nets as a feature? < 1449879210 800157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ach but neural nets are just linear algebra < 1449879221 763291 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It appears so < 1449879224 244282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean. Two of the tutorials are called "Convolutional Neural Networks" and "Recurrent Neural Networks". < 1449879225 517084 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it does have a whole lot of NN-related features. < 1449879238 326898 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try it out with TF < 1449879240 389565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether you call them a "feature" depends on the definition. < 1449879312 825095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the general TF framework itself is not inherently specific to neural networks, but it's certainly supposed to be convenient for them (because that's what it's used for), and hopefully there will be "standard" recipes for them. < 1449879373 880907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the generality does mean using it might involve more than just specifying some inputs and outputs, yes. < 1449879415 198264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly in the form of stealing from existing examples, though.) < 1449879632 518798 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ugh, how do I install it on Windows 10? < 1449879778 626495 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : bellonder|. have I asked you your approximate geographic coördinates and body weigh? <-- i'm going to go out on a limb and say that portmantelloing newbies is not the best way of ensuring a response hth < 1449879834 426658 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449879840 930419 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Isn't that bender| he was talking to? < 1449879847 932148 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449879849 890141 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1449879855 945391 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen him around here before, so I don't think he was a newbie < 1449879872 530034 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but did bender| even notice he was addressed, there? < 1449879881 458194 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair point < 1449879912 454962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that might be a bit of much to ask, given the sort of thing it is. There's the Docker-based approach. Just as a note of caution, though, TF might really only make sense if you actually do expect to do big things. < 1449880043 996038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And Docker on Windows does involve running everything in a VM, which you might not prefer either.) < 1449880097 633818 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449880103 194147 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably just use PyBrain then < 1449880432 530082 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t! < 1449880441 668168 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to generate one hangul! < 1449880466 248630 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, 1 character. better than zero) < 1449881021 827079 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell bender| sorry for the porthello >_>'... < 1449881022 84903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449881035 148820 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\! < 1449881079 436655 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're sorry for the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portello_(soft_drink) ? < 1449881153 90206 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, actually looks like that does not refer to the same drink as https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portello < 1449881808 952495 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? headnote 1 < 1449881810 716736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Headnotes are boring. Let's go fly kites! < 1449881848 407892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much for that < 1449881853 286413 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: protip: `revert doesn't work to uncreate a file hth < 1449881876 616835 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/headnote 1 < 1449881879 794289 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449881884 92509 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? headnote 1 < 1449881885 830767 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :headnote 1? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449881899 41052 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey everyone! What's a real-world, practical example of an inner join which returns more rows than either of its input tables? < 1449882271 456327 :jaboja!~jaboja@djt193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449882442 443195 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449882618 589542 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firellofly. the porthello, with a hello in it. < 1449882660 511599 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449882693 210901 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: any join between two tables, on a foreign key belonging to a third table < 1449882777 860108 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449882918 577745 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, on a hockey_player table, you could join it to itself on "team" to form a list of all pairs of teammates < 1449882964 680371 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is that an ok example? < 1449882968 464250 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449883025 784524 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1449883198 801396 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449883387 612437 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DISGUSTING CHICKEN < 1449883450 457344 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449886372 81447 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449886910 445833 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, 28 final consonant clusters is a lot! < 1449886957 213259 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(techinally, 27, but I'm counting "none" as one for simplicity of programming) < 1449887120 788112 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449888919 841326 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: system upgrade < 1449890206 1212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449890776 66929 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449890959 880323 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I organize the Crowdculator website? < 1449891017 356953 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably... one page, prefix operators. That sounds good. Second argument ignored if not filled out < 1449891026 56589 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449891846 167158 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:b9b1:b658:29cb:f2f3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449891979 325907 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi bender| ! < 1449891988 847192 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a Crowdculator! < 1449892093 173541 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've generated 28 hangul! < 1449892222 192047 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:b9b1:b658:29cb:f2f3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1449892347 170019 :andrew!~andrew@116.30.109.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449893053 416824 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh, ㄱ + ㅏ + 28 finals? < 1449893125 473832 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1449893308 467708 :andrew!~andrew@116.30.109.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449893480 446018 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449893490 342078 :andrew!~andrew@116.30.109.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449893890 311094 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449894174 583147 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:b9b1:b658:29cb:f2f3 QUIT :Quit: Ping Pong Fuckout < 1449894607 221365 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449894620 845953 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449894999 858734 :andrew!~andrew@116.30.109.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449895855 923418 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented the filename extension .dat.c for a C source file containing nothing but constant value declarations < 1449896324 425926 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each initial needs 5 sizes, each medial 2, and the finals only one < 1449896523 483107 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449896555 578135 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449896558 187218 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, or maybe the finals should be squashed down wiht horizontal vowels? < 1449896699 850723 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449896768 972156 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, i'll see how it looks then decide < 1449897812 632200 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1449897853 597875 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make it so that when a form is submitted, it POSTs the data to /calc then replaces the content of a textarea in the form to the response of that post < 1449897858 279554 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I go about that? < 1449897865 67963 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't want it to change pages) < 1449897921 752187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript < 1449897937 304946 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well duh < 1449897977 894076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could ... do something to prevent the form from truly submitting, then use XMLHttpRequest < 1449897990 264178 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got everything except one part working, it seems < 1449897997 244810 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears Jquery's $.post isn't calling the function as its third argument < 1449898003 677100 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not getting any errors in the JS console though < 1449898015 327891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :May I take a look? < 1449898052 623826 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Pastebinning now < 1449898105 764426 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://pastebin.com/jGXi3sga < 1449898122 533636 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I'm doing copy-paste programming because this is currently more about the backend than the frontend < 1449898155 573738 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Submitted ever get printed to the console? < 1449898200 413970 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes < 1449898204 252999 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time you submit < 1449898214 297676 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on the backend, the post is received < 1449898219 414143 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's received < 1449898220 801609 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1449898265 415275 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's either the backend or some weird bug on the frontend < 1449898295 842598 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: POST requests /can/ return responses, correct? < 1449898299 490106 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small amounts < 1449898314 640897 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :POST requests can return data just like GET requests, I believe < 1449898319 177921 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the library I was using refused to work if a post method /didn't/ return data < 1449898361 686504 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, on the backend there's a line of python (which DEFINITELY gets executed because the print immediately preceeding it works) that says "return web.Response(text='Done!')" < 1449898373 403106 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you probably don't need to understand aiohttp to get < 1449898385 171130 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check the network tab < 1449898388 292438 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a response come in? < 1449898406 913923 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1449898416 443372 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a POST, which will have both the request and the response... or just the request if it failed < 1449898434 445424 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my issue is that the function that is the third (2th) argument to $.post isn't getting called < 1449898453 1839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't get called if there is no response < 1449898460 826974 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1449898470 436124 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there /should/ be a response, AFAICT < 1449898492 856854 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see the POST request in the Network tab, at least? < 1449898523 239506 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I do not < 1449898537 858058 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I wasn't in the network tab < 1449898550 584401 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in Net under console (or whatever ctrl+shift+k's default tab is) < 1449898560 61751 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a POST < 1449898574 455141 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any reply? < 1449898588 372961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you're specifying it's json, I don't know what jQuery does if the result isn't json < 1449898590 334728 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, the post goes through < 1449898594 253866 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fav.me/d9jtxyb This fractal art thing I've been playing aroudn with in paint.net, does it resemble any more well known fractals? < 1449898599 467380 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be the issue < 1449898610 696261 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it seems pretty simple to make, so i would think it would already be made at some point. < 1449898618 808988 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What should I try instead of JSON? < 1449898634 235764 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], what's the type that the thing is returning? Just "Done!"? Then text < 1449898635 794088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the POST goes through, nothing comes back it appears < 1449898640 188067 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I believe so < 1449898674 915983 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that worked < 1449898681 8355 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it didn't edit the TextArea < 1449898720 195520 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So the $('#commands').html(response); line isn't doing what I expected of it < 1449898808 181399 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE we go < 1449898823 313523 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$('#commands').val(response); works < 1449899054 769702 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449899246 168253 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449899267 418341 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449899487 688238 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost done! < 1449899495 733504 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just have to hook up some Neural Nets and Traineres < 1449899498 32932 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Trainers < 1449900348 216029 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449900466 116627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449900528 517289 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.86.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449900953 112753 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHat are you working on? < 1449901268 802836 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :224 hangul generated! < 1449901328 231197 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1449901494 387284 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.86.43 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449901520 402869 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.86.43 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449902610 624757 :clog!~nef@66.114.33.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449902711 547620 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449902946 653217 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449902990 468701 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449903217 879545 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/allchars.htm now has some hangul (after the kanji, there's 224 of them) < 1449903282 680302 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my lines are too rounded maybe < 1449903320 453416 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449903425 613322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to adjust the kerning of the fonts used in Firefox on Ubuntu? < 1449903505 15423 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSS letter-spacing property? < 1449903575 451960 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449903621 434246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I want to modify the font metric files globally across all programs that use them (although I don't have any other program that uses them as far as I know) < 1449903641 488876 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just broke weechat by trying to paste one of those charactersूृ < 1449903701 64929 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive < 1449903706 834809 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :broke how? < 1449903773 136387 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :각갂갃간갅갆갇 < 1449903803 885965 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that break everyone's chat? < 1449903845 11636 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I suppose you'd have to use fontforge to do that < 1449903868 364976 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make an Esocalculator < 1449903875 510008 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something with weird operators and syntax < 1449903880 856334 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how to go about it though < 1449903884 637752 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any ideas? < 1449903917 423756 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :allow problems to be stated as stoies < 1449903925 410418 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: IMPOSSIBRY < 1449903929 608049 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*IMPOSSIBRU < 1449903938 946636 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1449903943 361331 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want some strange operators < 1449903948 817455 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backslash operator is definitely an option < 1449903961 180959 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably, I would have no normal operators at all < 1449903993 832901 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how about "A right triangle has two right-angle sides as lengths 4 and 5. what is the triangle's area?" < 1449904028 56161 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: That still seems incredibly difficult to parse. Roughly on the level of "Solving english" < 1449904039 534118 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1449904041 596196 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the \^ unary operator? \^x==x+(1/x) < 1449904097 555960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't there be a SQLite extension to edit font metrics? < 1449904102 480633 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\^5=5.2 < 1449904111 834203 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "calculate the monthy payment for a 30 year mortgage on 1 million with an interest rate of 0.5 percent" < 1449904139 11529 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think you know the difference between reasonably solvable and borderline impossible problems. < 1449904139 679583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is virtual tables support. < 1449904164 333769 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: joke's on you! that particular one works in Hound! < 1449904172 150416 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Dammit < 1449904176 359972 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1449904189 454885 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449904219 666814 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should develop a simple DB software in python and document its development in a webpage < 1449904555 17860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AmigaMML:XISYNTH::TeX:METAFONT < 1449904713 890932 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimg.org/image/oxprvhumr/ < 1449905546 21941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Whatever message you posted it does not break my chat, although, I am using xterm. < 1449905570 405670 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is weird < 1449905581 556925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the IRC client knows nothing about Unicode; it just passes the data as is) < 1449905604 556633 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a form input with id "output-0.01" < 1449905616 917252 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a Javascript line $('.output-0.01').val(response); < 1449905630 433779 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, $('#output-0.01').val(response); < 1449905677 116262 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it gets executed. I know that response is equal to "Done!". It doesn't update the input < 1449905848 602765 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Silly Emplosions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45842&oldid=45800 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+97) 10 < 1449905901 530727 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Have any idea what's wrong? < 1449905928 81455 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Silly Emplosions14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45843&oldid=45842 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+77) 10 < 1449906023 957455 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], an ? < 1449906033 349841 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that requires an attribute to be changed? < 1449906037 800639 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I mean a textarea < 1449906051 596564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh .val() is meant to work with too < 1449906122 981295 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://pastebin.com/4nA67QVZ < 1449906156 55631 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the code that isn't working. Almost identical to the code I sent earlier, but being adjusted so multiple interpreters can be used based on the id of the form < 1449906256 515259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you add a console.log($('#output-'+tn)) < 1449906265 311672 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make sure it's retrieving the element properly? < 1449906282 206145 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I have, and it does. < 1449906286 181784 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got removed since then < 1449906304 970968 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you want me to do it WITH the selector < 1449906371 523724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yep, it appears to get it correctly < 1449906379 621702 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object { length: 0, prevObject: Object, context: HTMLDocument → 127.0.0.1, selector: "#output-0.01" } < 1449906388 343633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not getting it correctly < 1449906392 169264 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1449906399 939345 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :length should be 1, I think < 1449906403 194874 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1449906411 394607 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what the problem could be? < 1449906466 899893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :console.log(tn) < 1449906467 192416 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is another just-hack-together-some-js project where the beauty lies on the backend < 1449906468 189248 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1449906497 383722 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tn = '0.01';, but OK < 1449906512 89884 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m < 1449906513 226650 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tn == 0.01 < 1449906528 152113 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, as a string) < 1449906542 560691 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does $("#output-0.01") work in the console? < 1449906556 160276 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1449906559 628798 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1449906562 863534 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, haven't tried it yhet < 1449906574 270572 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought you were referring to something elese < 1449906595 364279 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object { length: 0, prevObject: Object, context: HTMLDocument → 127.0.0.1, selector: "#output-0.01" } < 1449906597 367177 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no < 1449906605 994570 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless length is OK at 0 < 1449906619 871718 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does $("textarea") give for length? < 1449906627 198926 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And $("form") < 1449906648 791859 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :length: 2 < 1449906660 999370 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And interestingly, it lists < 1449906703 37429 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrgh looks glitchy < 1449906722 840332 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I just tried adding textarea to before #output in the thing and it didn't work < 1449906724 247969 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1449906752 476344 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imma try changing the text area output-0.01 to a class < 1449906761 606268 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :골 < 1449906778 147383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying it locally < 1449906787 512221 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :document.getElementById works < 1449906806 737053 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work < 1449906818 687295 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing it to a class, that is < 1449906820 939174 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try that < 1449906849 285204 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use jQuery functions on it, you'll need to wrap that call in $() < 1449906864 91452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or go native, that's what I prefer >.> < 1449906894 719332 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I've done native JS before. I use them pretty much interchangably when I do do JS, really it just varies by how I feel. < 1449906924 892832 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yay! < 1449906928 122265 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works! < 1449906939 4301 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I figured it out < 1449906944 148096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to do with the.... OH < 1449906955 396982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1449906955 514645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That . in the number, means it's looking for a class < 1449906962 96750 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooooooooooh < 1449906963 283275 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT < 1449907220 678859 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Now I just need to make it work for multiple forms with class="cmdwin" xD < 1449907326 895120 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :o btw, I added 菜落葉薬表要覚観負貨貯費賞起路身軍転軽輪 < 1449907328 6110 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :辞農験辺返追送速連進遊運達選 < 1449907551 141805 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Have any ideas? < 1449907613 192273 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it working such that everything is in order EXCEPT it always puts the output one time in the same box < 1449907626 326914 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could just have a fixed-position box that follows you as you scroll... < 1449907722 403726 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Event handler on all forms, that when invoked, get's the id and passes the id of the form's textarea to the event handler < 1449907752 29363 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess you're doing a one form many textarea thing, which is possibly not ideal, what if multiple textareas are filled in < 1449907769 467911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I have no diea what you're doing < 1449908023 541948 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, many forms. < 1449908062 538042 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each form is the software in a different stage. The forms only appear after that part of the program has been designed and implemented. < 1449908110 591922 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the point of view of the reader < 1449908120 319585 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So next we're going to implement relational operators" < 1449908125 722827 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we implement relational operators < 1449908150 242619 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's a form where you can enter commands and try it out < 1449908161 870266 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we go to the next section < 1449908496 590119 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, progress can be viewed at http://206.174.0.58:81/ < 1449911135 899204 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1449911163 142317 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449911314 203407 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449911363 703784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: h < 1449911466 410860 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449911653 938505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I dunno, the hangul with o in them don't look good in your font to me, because the vowel is touching the final too much. < 1449911737 136349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ping < 1449911769 426446 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449913253 886855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See your opinion of what are many of my new Magic: the Gathering cards, including now I made up a few split cards too. So far there seem not the place to post user comments, except possibly on the IRC but then it isn't all store together at once < 1449913552 428835 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449913812 404426 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449913894 508484 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`f2c 75 < 1449913902 587854 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: f2c: not found < 1449913909 539959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 75 < 1449913910 609644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :75.00°F = 23.89°C < 1449913914 356084 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1449914055 683307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you kept track of all of the recent comprehensive rules changes for Magic: the Gathering even if you do not play the game? < 1449914090 770968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I tried to, but it turns out that I missed some, so I'll have to re-read the bulletins < 1449914139 36136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in particular, I got very surprised that Daru Stinger had gotten errataed back a few years ago (technically that's an Oracle change, not a comp rules change) < 1449914286 278853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have all of the changes on Yawgatog too, which is what I checked; they have Oracle changes there too. It can be used when working with puzzles; I always include a rule datestamp on puzzles for this reason. Someone else told me they made a puzzle but then it stopped working because they changed the rules, but I already thought of this ahead of time, and yet it has not happened to me. < 1449914451 4171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is good reason why Daru Stinger should be changed back though, which is why it was changed back to the old version. < 1449914456 153672 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.86.43 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449914674 426606 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914691 443216 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914705 436166 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914720 408449 :teuchter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-ztpeomxfbpbwyoqe JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914729 342194 :Froox!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914839 874720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I preferred him as a Human. The other daru are still Human. < 1449914912 295703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Making him non-human seems like a power errata, which they claim generally try to avoid unless the card would be really broken otherwise; even though they claim it was for easier playing because the reminder text on the printed card says "Soldier") < 1449914947 407834 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914975 774023 :kragniz_!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914976 481983 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vuzdxvtopjbfxzfb JOIN :#esoteric < 1449914994 661403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the problem though with the powerful of the card with amplify ability < 1449914995 406713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not only the Daru from onslaught that are Human, but the Daru Clerics from Legions. < 1449914996 341531 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449915019 684293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it may be more powerful than originally intended, but it's not really powerful compared to M:tG these days. < 1449915033 922174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be fixed by printing that card with a different picture, is also some way < 1449915055 166281 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449915055 687524 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915056 18444 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915056 553743 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915056 607629 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fiukloavikvhgpni QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915056 722075 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915056 918688 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915057 167839 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915057 380697 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915057 446640 :MDream!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915057 564810 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-pleehubajyhjraey QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915057 812810 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915058 67043 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915058 326792 :Todpunk!Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915058 929069 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1449915058 990380 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449915069 116050 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1449915085 550200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So that no subtype other than "Soldier" would fit then?) < 1449915140 388150 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's still called Daru, and it would be strange anyway to have a white card to which no racial subtype fits < 1449915195 464344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there one in one of the more modern sets though? (I think the set is Phyrexia?) < 1449915206 284138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: one what? < 1449915243 680902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A white creature card to which no racial subtype fits. < 1449915260 339057 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are, but they're rare < 1449915285 928056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the old black Nameless Race of course, which lost its subtypes at Lorwyn < 1449915296 740089 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is very black < 1449915308 426905 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449915314 968727 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-smtbkinkuzywzzlr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449915334 122499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know, that one now has no subtype at all, but it is an old card and is black; I meant a more modern card. < 1449915348 776488 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there are black zombies and skeletons, some of which have a race subtype, and some don't, in what seems to me like an inconsistent way < 1449915426 491675 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449915431 876221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the bones do not form any other creature then the other one does not seem applicable, can be one thing, but that is clearly not always the case < 1449915441 728229 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for ghouls, sure < 1449915492 304141 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wfyoyribtsfahpql JOIN :#esoteric < 1449915498 448427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but look at Legions of Lim-Dul, who by the flavor text are corpses animated by Lim-Dul the necromancer from the bodies of the Order of the White Shield, and the Order of the White Shield is a Human Knight. < 1449915514 666152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet the Legions are not Human. < 1449915515 588388 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915516 494047 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449915543 761925 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1449915561 553378 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is the leader of the Order of the White Shield who is better known these days from Luminesce) < 1449915670 557378 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another Order from some other plane to confuse the matters though < 1449915729 146179 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Order of the Stars, who carry prominent shields on the art and flavor text. < 1449915959 566908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is the Order of the Stars relevant to that though? < 1449916114 560427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not really, it just confused me because it's an Order with white shields < 1449916122 304289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's a nice card < 1449916141 256288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but their shields have stars on it < 1449916159 684011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are also not a knight < 1449916200 223166 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and they're on Ravnica, whereas the Order of the White Shield is apparently on Dominaria or wherever Ice Age plays < 1449916396 433244 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449916574 314355 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449917391 140691 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449918133 779233 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92-rdmsoft [XULRunner 35.0.1/20150122214805] < 1449918680 642251 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449920852 51237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up the calculation on the paper to figure out 1+2+4+8+...=-1 and 1+4+16+64+...=-1/3 and 1-1+1-1+1-1+...=1/2 and 1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+1/32+...=1 < 1449920918 586879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people said the first few is wrong because it is a divergent series, but the same method is in use for the convergent series too it seem like? < 1449921260 52015 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449921824 815978 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449922330 410575 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar < 1449922366 91001 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, people are right; one usually relies on reordering terms in a series, which only works for absolutely convergent series... Otoh, f(x) = 1/(1-x) is the analytic continuation of f(x) = 1 + x + x^2 + ... beyond |x| < 1, so under some circumstances, you may get correct answers that way. < 1449922400 411878 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, the sum of divergent series is less defined (i.e. not as definitive as 1+1) than the sum of convergent series < 1449922431 107128 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1+2+4+8+...=-1 is one way to assign the "sum" to such divergent series < 1449922982 14799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seem to me that in order to reorder terms it must be done like: a+b+c+d+...=(b+c+d+...)+a=(c+d+...)+a+b=(a+c+d+...)+b=b+a+c+d+... but this won't let you to reorder or regroup infinite sets of terms as the rules for addition don't do stuff like that. < 1449923124 752508 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a smart way to solve lights out? < 1449923198 262205 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are boring algorithms that depend on knowing information for specific fiekd sizes < 1449923234 290847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: sure; at its heart it's a system of linear equations over Z_2. < 1449923257 917008 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting approach < 1449923488 522847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and the system is described by a band matrix (since no row (or column) depends only on decisions in the neighbouring rows (or columns), so for an n x m rectangle, rather than working with matrices of dimension nm x nm, one can quickly reduce that to n x n (or m x m, whichever is smaller). < 1449923538 902833 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for humans: once you've fixed the choices for the bottom row, all other choices are forced) < 1449924079 489967 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449924669 645652 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read what to do on a 5x5 board, but what if it's a NxM < 1449924677 395787 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what if i need an optimal solution < 1449925697 508145 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn I had some code for this, somewhere... but probably gave it a meaningful filename like "t.py" (and I don't even remember whether it was python or some other programming language)... and quite possibly lost it < 1449926024 381264 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-vuzdxvtopjbfxzfb QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449926106 339019 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gpkmnbotsrimcvur JOIN :#esoteric < 1449926262 206200 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449928581 260707 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does finding the solution has to be efficient? < 1449928806 563971 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic idea: start toggling from line 2 on exactly where there is light on the line above it < 1449928814 477064 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember where you toggled < 1449928838 363314 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will result in a board with only light in the lowest line < 1449928979 810109 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, for each light in the bottom row make a temporary board with only that light, drag it up the same way, you will end up with toggles you can do from up to down in the original board < 1449929003 36700 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :add every toggle per position mod 2 < 1449929074 402039 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449929768 462677 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time running my washing machine on extra small, cold water, delicate cycle. < 1449929775 833640 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes weird noises. < 1449929875 18830 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449929947 974600 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good mroing < 1449929970 443249 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45844&oldid=45841 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+54) 10/* Specification */ < 1449930600 667512 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449931096 132052 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\_. < 1449931754 657977 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1449932451 76062 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: just solve the linear equation, in the case the transition matrix is invertible. In the case it is only semi-invertible, you can solve the independent subspace < 1449932457 483127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1449933162 785216 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia. < 1449933826 67994 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449934110 76973 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: IMPRECISE CHICKEN < 1449934708 444501 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449934729 55993 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449934861 946932 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449935012 601788 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1449935660 612395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hamiltonian < 1449935669 630927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hamiltonian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449935676 564731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? eto < 1449935677 947626 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eto? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449935681 609769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hari < 1449935682 876481 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hari? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449935693 972185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? jander < 1449935695 228064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jander? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449935714 393071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Jander was killed, or deactivated permanently, depending on which side you ask. < 1449935718 657633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'jander': Jander was killed, or deactivated permanently, depending on which side you ask. < 1449935781 230646 :kragniz_!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu NICK :kragniz < 1449935800 7084 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Jander was murdered, or deactivated permanently, depending on which side you ask. < 1449935804 998850 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'jander': Jander was murdered, or deactivated permanently, depending on which side you ask. < 1449935865 711609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? loodun < 1449935867 23874 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loodun? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449935871 52447 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? antyok < 1449935872 280687 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :antyok? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449936029 767257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Loodun Antyok demonstrates how to play a lawful character the exact opposite way from the lawful stupid archetype. < 1449936033 566497 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'loodun': Loodun Antyok demonstrates how to play a lawful character the exact opposite way from the lawful stupid archetype. < 1449936039 245695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? loodun < 1449936041 384991 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loodun Antyok demonstrates how to play a lawful character the exact opposite way from the lawful stupid archetype. < 1449936044 602392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? antyok < 1449936045 950377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :antyok? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449936102 10894 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, do Hamiltonian circuits have anything to to with the Formula One series? < 1449936122 212420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and quantum mechanics, and quaternions. < 1449936134 335670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they're all named of the same brilliant mathematician < 1449936199 332271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Hari wears an identical suit every day. Or the same suit? The latter glitch would be a sign of adjustments on the Matrix. < 1449936202 669326 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'hari': Hari wears an identical suit every day. Or the same suit? The latter glitch would be a sign of adjustments on the Matrix. < 1449936232 855273 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Eto is the ageless laughing first minister. < 1449936236 343468 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'eto': Eto is the ageless laughing first minister. < 1449936310 660965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think you missed the bad joke. < 1449936509 181019 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I'm missing a connection between William Rowan and Lewis Carl Davidson... hmm. < 1449936669 603572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, I know. < 1449936710 298840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? andrew < 1449936711 573019 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449936714 128384 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449937842 854070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45845&oldid=45844 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-3343) 10/* Specification */ < 1449937932 31730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45846&oldid=45845 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-415) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449938033 303456 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45847&oldid=45846 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+1) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449938074 806625 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45848&oldid=45847 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+11) 10/* Specification */ < 1449938088 62848 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45849&oldid=45848 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+9) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449938093 706723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? avis < 1449938095 568931 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :avis? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449938095 622727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lardner < 1449938096 992564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lardner? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449938114 609676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? travis < 1449938115 754192 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :travis? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449938150 167146 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45850&oldid=45849 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+6) 10/* Specification */ < 1449938164 381847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45851&oldid=45850 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449938181 30425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45852&oldid=45851 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449938254 461965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45853&oldid=45852 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-1) 10/* Introduction */ < 1449938272 403642 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45854&oldid=45853 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-6) 10/* Specification */ < 1449938352 395846 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45855&oldid=45854 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+25) 10 < 1449938641 565078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? min < 1449938643 300662 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :min? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449938643 354478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? max < 1449938644 663264 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :max? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449938646 62282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? frexp < 1449938647 598211 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :frexp? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449939287 972821 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gpkmnbotsrimcvur NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1449939292 833609 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gpkmnbotsrimcvur QUIT :Changing host < 1449939292 887495 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449939293 158220 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host < 1449939293 212155 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gpkmnbotsrimcvur JOIN :#esoteric < 1449939478 438833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45856&oldid=45566 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+32) 10Added entry for MATL language < 1449939584 981409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Luis Mendo14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45857 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+101) 10Created page with "I have created the esolang [[MATL]] (2015), a language based on MATLAB and suitable for code golfing." < 1449939737 530836 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Luis Mendo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45858&oldid=45857 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+38) 10 < 1449939832 832577 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449940263 533279 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449940279 744657 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449940486 112802 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449940794 19692 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so I'm making the finals more sqiashed downward, so that the horizontal medials will fit < 1449940840 387032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: no, no, < 1449940853 248848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: instead, move the medials so they touch in the direction where they're smaller < 1449940888 746787 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1449940900 452527 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that will work < 1449940900 656718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45859&oldid=45855 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+29) 10/* Specification */ < 1449940904 425603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: that is, "o" and "yo" should be able to touch some initials, whereas "u" and "yu" should be able to touch the finals < 1449940923 384947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45860&oldid=45859 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+29) 10/* Compiler */ < 1449940951 593406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: I also tried to comment on the Deseret letters on your font: < 1449940970 333337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: the letter "s" (both upper and lower case) is mirrored from how it should be, I believe, < 1449941007 246747 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: and in the fontdemo.html, you should change the line breaks so that the letters take up 4 lines instead of 5, and each corresponding lower case letter is two lines below the upper case on < 1449941042 56023 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. .. < 1449941051 415974 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I can't paste one < 1449941061 553390 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: but I could be wrong. I don't like Deseret. < 1449941068 230725 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : .. < 1449941072 776675 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rerrh < 1449941116 877826 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deseret_alphabet#/media/File:Deseret_second_book.jpg <-- I think I used this amage as a reference < 1449941129 737061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -ebinmode STDOUT,"encoding(utf8)"; print "\x{1041d}" < 1449941131 220784 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​𐐝 < 1449941204 675388 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seeing a cyrillic Н < 1449941230 249125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: that's \x{41d} < 1449941230 616516 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think irssi fucks it < 1449941234 529468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with your terminal? < 1449941238 133865 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -ebinmode STDOUT,"encoding(utf8)"; print "\x{41d}" < 1449941239 18740 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Н < 1449941251 655680 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1449941258 724845 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Н < 1449941259 600136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+041D CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EN] < 1449941280 421716 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I copied that from the deseret ess < 1449941311 99842 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode .. < 1449941312 30492 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+002E FULL STOP] [U+002E FULL STOP] < 1449941337 409664 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on input it appears to replace the surrogate pairs with dots < 1449941387 930039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Deseret_capital_Es.svg , the letter s has the left end connected to the top loop, and the right end to the bottom loop < 1449941406 945793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: in your font it sort of seems like the opposite, though it's hard to tell from those few pixels < 1449941503 356966 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, I'll see what I can do < 1449941653 159002 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh its god damn tmux fucking up unicide < 1449941673 627388 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmux uses 16 bit unicode < 1449941698 666215 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1449941726 761659 :jameseb-!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1449941738 282590 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this bug will be solved essentially between in 10 years and never < 1449941864 233187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: use screen instead. (a recent version, not the fifteen year buggy old version that spawned the development of tmux as an alternative.) < 1449942033 342142 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449942034 351859 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449942034 556589 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@you.know.what.toasters.rocks QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449942034 734442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449942036 800420 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449942036 947154 :jameseb!~jameseb_@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449942037 275102 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d QUIT :*.net *.split < 1449942040 4313 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe NICK :Lymia < 1449942049 166370 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449942257 708889 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@you.know.what.toasters.rocks JOIN :#esoteric < 1449942355 783386 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1449942405 837427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1449942936 400232 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449943115 839649 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449943690 145088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is especially terrible for any kind of grid-based display, but I thought of some way similar to what someone else has suggested, for "universal terminal-based character coding", although the width of a string is now a bit more complicated than just strlen, rather each byte has a width of 1 or 0 depending on the value of that byte, therefore allowing many more single-width non-ASCII characters. < 1449943788 132003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The format is always a code byte followed by a bank byte, and there is no right-to-left, no complex scripts, etc. Therefore it cannot be use with Hebrew, although Japanese writing is possible. < 1449943835 639482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449943866 945470 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :done with hangul jamos finally. < 1449943874 401077 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it is now time to consider ligatures... < 1449943894 290941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1449943914 201482 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1449943988 933928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hello! < 1449944021 236945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :dr_ais523 < 1449944112 60219 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anyone who's wondering what I've been up to esolang-wise, darcs clone http://nethack4.org/media/ssapmmn (not finished yet though) < 1449944148 494483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: zzo38 has been complaining about visual artifacts he'd been seeing in the pdf version of your thesis, with some pdf viewer < 1449944197 529463 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm, it's just standard pdflatex < 1449944221 445925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^ < 1449944246 80047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: The lowercase Greek alphabets (and only lowercase Greek) is slanted to the left. I am using Firefox to view it. < 1449944266 8429 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah right, lowercase Greek is known to have issues in the default LaTeX configuration < 1449944269 13354 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to fix it < 1449944794 192221 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449945769 478944 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1449945916 826966 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I dunno, I'd think you would want to do that by just adding metadata to each Unicode character specifying how many columns wide it is. < 1449945971 188729 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: isn't that potentially context-dependent? < 1449946004 849421 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have an example? < 1449946040 845272 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi is a well-known one that works in English < 1449946052 201665 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's really optional < 1449946061 44450 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other languages where ligatures are much more important < 1449946094 294339 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in English, wouldn't "fi" always be two columns wide, and the ligature also two columns wide? < 1449946105 815502 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ligature's one column wide in some monospaced fonts < 1449946113 746112 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it looks very weird < 1449946116 173903 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember where I saw it < 1449946121 696055 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have been a computer game < 1449946135 123964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: lots of stupid pdfs < 1449946136 204396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in 2600. I wanted to write a postcard to them to tell them not to do that < 1449946136 965931 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pokémon red/blue has a 's ligature that's one column wide in its monospaced font) < 1449946149 339817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where some software auto-translates "fi" to that ligature at render < 1449946152 330179 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a one-wide "fi" ligature in a Homestuck album notes. < 1449946157 401204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dr < 1449946158 674101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1449946171 630100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 's ligature? interesting < 1449946192 735985 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because the apostrophe looked ugly if you gave it a whole column to itself < 1449946203 256055 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ligatures should be defined by font metrics instead of built-in to the software. < 1449946205 768140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: I thought it would be more like to save screen space < 1449946211 772413 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be that too < 1449946213 620289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :game boy screen is small < 1449946326 858530 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm 160x144 pixels, not too shabby :) < 1449946340 492456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some games will put two letters on one 8x8 tile < 1449946574 711094 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449946835 573566 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449947312 577863 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net NICK :Todpunk < 1449947843 486142 :jameseb-!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :jameseb < 1449948876 340595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45861&oldid=45278 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+958) 10created interpreter < 1449949456 514694 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'fi' ligature is one column wide for me < 1449949495 241812 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that widespread implementation of wcwidth that I think only uses Unicode blocks to define width, and going by that fi would be a single column I think < 1449949541 643434 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :'firefly' ← for your ligature width testing purposes < 1449949605 308078 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/wcwidth.c the wcwdith implementation I meant < 1449949813 347961 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1449950273 796954 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449950542 787362 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449951035 196239 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: dinnertime < 1449952429 862264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :finest fluffy waffle affinity < 1449952817 338580 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode finest < 1449952818 198227 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FB01 LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FI] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E] [U+FB06 LATIN SMALL LIGATURE ST] < 1449952840 403517 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 TOPIC #esoteric :The international hub for esoteric KRF design and deployment. | finest fluffy waffle affinity | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/ < 1449952980 323259 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/commit/b7c5c43#diff-c37314f89a3481e2da775620e88abc72R526 < 1449952986 683075 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, it really gets hard < 1449953663 843492 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: this is a pretty font :> < 1449953692 580410 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would get rid of the "off" dots in the braille pattern glyphs < 1449954176 979393 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: fwiw, cyrillic lowercase be (U+0431 б) generally has an ascender; it looks sort of weird without one < 1449954222 679617 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ф looks neaaat < 1449954266 745836 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: oh, you are right, I'll fix that < 1449954768 878461 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the URL to the font demo, again? < 1449954783 51797 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/live < 1449954841 399528 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1449954848 548536 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :The international hub for esoteric KRF design and deployment. | Effi's finest fluffy waffles | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/ < 1449954877 264005 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using a name is kind of cheating, but I like it better than "affinity") < 1449954928 251396 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effilry's finest fluffy waffles < 1449955107 475301 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's an anagram of firefly. < 1449955124 557148 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooo slow. < 1449955127 222209 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just any anagram < 1449955127 468883 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449955130 141792 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "firefly" < 1449955131 819080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "effilry" < 1449955146 845273 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that's the unligatured version though < 1449955166 795082 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*firefly: < 1449955172 632109 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair < 1449955180 663922 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "firefly" < 1449955181 454435 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there isn't an Fi ligature, at least on my compose key < 1449955182 533724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ery\64257\64258" < 1449955189 927146 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a ffi though < 1449955191 346846 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1449955216 752905 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text . sort $ "firefly" -- not sure... worth a tryt < 1449955218 641694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : eryfifl < 1449955219 564675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :-t < 1449955221 132507 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :eryfifl I'm guessing, but I can't be bothered to check if fi is actually before fl < 1449955233 347186 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yep < 1449955249 47723 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty text < 1449955250 608829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Doc < 1449955253 436090 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nifty < 1449955652 37097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wcwidth function for my own format is easy; it is: x?x&32768?2:1:0 (Note that sequences that include control characters can have unpredictable widths though; we don't include those here.) < 1449955735 522588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However you must convert between wide and multibyte formats; the multibyte encoding for 0-127 is one byte, for 256-65535 is two bytes in small-endian format; not all wide character numbers are in use though. < 1449955764 708541 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think having full-width characters occupy two cells makes a lot of sense, considering single-character cells are often roughly 2:1 height/width < 1449955790 123545 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one would want full-width CJK glyphs to be roughly square < 1449955811 588795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To calculate the width of a non-control multibyte string, just count all bytes in range 32-255; each of those bytes takes up one cell while bytes 0-31 take up zero cells each. < 1449955852 464946 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's a correspondence between the length of the encoded codepoint and the rendered width of it? < 1449955909 872163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1449955966 227176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if the first byte of a character is 128-255 then exactly one more byte follows, if 0-127 then it is only one byte long and no other byte follows. < 1449956011 829212 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I like tying the encoding and rendering like that, but it could be a nifty trick for old platforms < 1449956050 947423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is good for terminal encoding and grid-based displays. For typesetting it is bad though. < 1449956143 729117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For typesetting, the font metric file should define all stuff about moving cursor, ligature, kerning, selecting glyphs, etc; and the character encoding should not do so. < 1449956385 174335 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449956461 931959 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1449958069 382204 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13147 characters so far (up from 12914 characters right after the addition of hangul syllables) < 1449958097 251764 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I'll work on more latin-like characters next week < 1449958101 703557 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially, IPA < 1449958123 874815 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some basic symbols < 1449958191 657398 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449958515 854609 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1449958575 428555 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449958920 734423 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449960700 375268 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm trying to look for a shorter phrase that has all of the ligatures in the topic in it < 1449960727 854301 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stiffly fix buffi fluff"! ~hardly a phrase~ < 1449960819 786444 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449960879 777418 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449960948 295176 :jaboja!~jaboja@djt193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449961150 812094 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449961417 435785 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449961638 341937 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is the wiki sending emails correctly? I've been trying to change my email address associated with my account to ais523@nethack4.org but it isn't sending the confirmation email < 1449961655 819995 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it is, it's getting lost somewhere which isn't my spam folder unless the email has a very strange from address < 1449961804 403809 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, AWIB was apparently created for a course named "DD2464 - Bigger Advanced, Individual Course in Computer Science" < 1449961826 168563 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the AWIB docs consistently use the "brainfuck has a lowercase b except at the start of a sentence" rule < 1449961878 270526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: congratulations < 1449961886 35095 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1449961894 982590 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read the thesis, btw? if not, some of my other online friends beat you to it < 1449961898 340185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't end up reading your thesis on time :'( < 1449961910 995763 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, and it forms the possessive of "Müller" as "Müllers", which is correct in German < 1449961924 593753 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a suspicion that this project was an expert-level trolling attempt < 1449962015 281234 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, it strikes me that ssapmmn might be quite good at optimizing brainfuck too < 1449962019 797034 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449962031 708191 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449962041 464263 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, minsky machines are basically bignum brainfuck confined to balanced loops only < 1449962059 686218 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you'd have to somehow analyze the code to convert it into balanced-loops first, which is likely nontrivial < 1449962110 827643 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I've also been focusing a lot on "if you would produce a negative number, produce zero instead" arithmetic < 1449962122 761242 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a) better for implementation in most esolangs, and b) really confusing, especially if you're used to normal arithmetic < 1449962140 717640 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x-1+1 is not equivalent to x, for example < 1449962254 962088 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1449962315 726562 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449962322 233024 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ssapmmn worries me a little < 1449962338 233585 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it figured out how to write a modulus even without me telling it that the modulus operation existed < 1449962350 668125 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using code of the form ((x / y) * y) - x) < 1449962379 863486 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1449962391 575606 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449962444 80919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If such optimization if it can be worked with brainfuck can also be made to work with LLVM then it can also optimize brainfuck program compiled into a LLVM code and possibly other programs too, since some program might have a few similar features < 1449962567 534392 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well ssapmmn uses an SSA representation internally, which would be easier to target at LLVM IR than to most other languages (including C) < 1449962575 216528 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem is that LLVM doesn't straightforwardly have bignums < 1449962750 798151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know those thing, although possibly if modification can be done to work even without bignums < 1449962793 359077 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm planning to infer which counters don't actually need to be bignum because they have a fixed maximum < 1449962804 476792 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need some bignums to be able to do infinite storage (although often they can be replaced with stacks or tapes) < 1449962810 957112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: i take it this indicates a successful defense? < 1449962849 797462 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that was ages ago < 1449963004 181844 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION proves he's not a busybody < 1449963039 463444 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what ssapmmn is < 1449963056 398568 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's what I'm currently workign on, it isn't finished yet < 1449963064 639652 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's basically a hyper-optimized minsky machine compiler < 1449963074 417465 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Portable_Minsky_Machine_Notation is what it takes as input < 1449963097 6451 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my goal with the output is to be able to run an Underlambda interpreter, written in PMMN, with a good level of performance < 1449963111 671126 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which thesis were you talking about? < 1449963136 920301 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449963145 871452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1449963148 778992 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449963152 319661 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/6120/1/Smith15PhD.pdf < 1449963152 510887 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb < 1449963157 402835 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad connection :-( < 1449963209 4190 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and what were you talking about bf and mullers? < 1449963221 949868 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Awib < 1449963226 915291 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's linked from there < 1449963255 339107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: It may be broken. I have vague recollections of it being broken earlier. < 1449963260 400257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for f(x) = exp(abs(log(x)))? < 1449963271 172721 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1449963293 427266 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449963302 801219 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wow, that's quite the piecewise function < 1449963314 81501 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's, what, f(x) = x for x>1, and f(x) = 1/x for x<1? < 1449963323 452968 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have I totally misread it? < 1449963328 527150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I didn't think to graph it. < 1449963330 118180 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many things to read while i'm away from internet < 1449963331 58802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the intent. < 1449963348 146835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(1/3) = f(3) = 3 < 1449963380 79646 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why you'd name that function < 1449963381 177420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're e.g. measuring a ratio between two things but you don't care about which direction it's in. < 1449963384 467524 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets make up a name < 1449963395 872482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a multiplicative analogue of abs. < 1449963398 652601 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the reciprocal fixer" < 1449963488 565136 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i remeber a physics problem where the answer was either 19 or 1/19 depending on whether the heavier weight was on the right < 1449963559 519271 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mabs! < 1449963643 513139 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking to a dude who wants to invent "the most meta language ever" and seemed to count difficulty of implementing anything more usable in it as a measuring stick. he literally applauded at 3sp and figuratively cried that it would have a BCT implementation < 1449963694 615089 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: show him The Amnesiac From Minsk level 4 < 1449963711 294887 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3SP is, sadly, easier than I thought it would be < 1449963776 596263 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the esolangs.org page is now the #3 entry on duckduckgo for a search for "three star programmer" < 1449963784 693571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: There are some email messages stuck in the mail queue for the address you mention. < 1449963796 981576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them has been there for 58 hours. < 1449963797 171248 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh, interesting < 1449963804 988005 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the reason they're stuck? or isn't it clear < 1449963820 967024 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my mailserver's working because I received a reply to that address to an email I sent from that address a few hours ago < 1449963832 194599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not clear from plain "mailq"; I'll see if I can get something more verbose out of it. I'm not that familiar with Exim, I'm more of a Postfix person. < 1449963835 21484 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, "The particular approach taken here was a consequence of trying to optimize a Three Star Programmer implementation ..." which was "created when, while working on another esolang, ..." < 1449963843 109226 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a tree visualization here < 1449963849 498382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hauris_ < 1449963858 52610 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf! < 1449963873 424849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? noooooooooodl < 1449963875 170870 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooodl is the correct spelling < 1449963913 66419 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris_: fwiw the original esolang that sparked all this off was meant to have analog memory < 1449963924 292894 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I couldn't pin the details down < 1449963933 292062 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up inventing 3SP along the way though < 1449963940 620148 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which really rekindled my esolangs interest, mostly in the minsky directoin < 1449963994 414243 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm surprised that there hasn't been much work into writing minsky machine programs < 1449964001 342106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: 2015-12-12 18:42:32 ais523@nethack4.org R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-44): SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:: host nethack4.org [185.26.125.102]: 450 4.1.8 : Sender address rejected: Domain not found < 1449964025 719137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: I think it's trying to send messages with an envelope-sender of codu@c1105889-5122.cloudatcost.com and that hostname doesn't resolve. < 1449964044 37762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a stale name in some configuration file. < 1449964046 882798 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, so my server's refusing to receive messages from a server that doesn't exist < 1449964055 508391 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"codu" strongly implies a Gregor connection, normally < 1449964093 71163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that /etc/mailname is set to that. < 1449964156 296829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably used to be a working name for the host at some point in time. < 1449964187 629887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annnnnd, in fact, it's what the IP reverse-resolves to, still. < 1449964214 358780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't forward-resolve back to the IP. So I think it's a cloudatcost screw-up. < 1449964241 634462 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they just don't want people sending emails < 1449964273 167971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointing the reverse DNS entry to a non-working name would be a weird way of blocking that. < 1449964294 966680 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449964306 709294 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449964315 218773 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like using -fPIE in order to prevent NetHack 4 using shared libraries < 1449964321 141884 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a workaround that someone I know actually uses < 1449964366 440283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could change mailname to some actual DNS name that points at the right place, although I'm a bit worried some mail servers (and/or spam filtering rulesets) might treat that suboptimally, because it would be a different name than what the IP reverse-resolves to. < 1449964375 575098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, it could hardly work less well than the current setup. < 1449964392 264363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On the third hand, they may fix the current setup at some point too.) < 1449964441 80025 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could request you to send me a copy of the email it's trying to send via some other means, so that I could confirm my email; OTOH having a confirmed email is mostly pointless if the wiki can't send to it < 1449964471 153136 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does cloudatcost allow you to set the rDNS for the IPs yourself? < 1449964493 312778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. If it does, I wouldn't have access to that. < 1449964539 721800 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1449964625 779894 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449964730 643178 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird having created so many languages recently that I forgot about some of them < 1449964766 934676 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Kangaroo, in this case) < 1449964782 277264 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to see that Three Star Programmer is catching on, though < 1449964892 916839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've possibly forwarded you the most recent confirmation email, and it may be that later emails would be accepted now that I've switched the mailname. < 1449965033 55817 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing's arrived yet, but email can be slow anyway < 1449965035 214632 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll wait a while < 1449965046 557570 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449965131 885378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to *my* mail server, it was "250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as ADD20E25B" by nethack4.org. It'll be from me. Might look spammy for all I know. < 1449965219 562580 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, got it now < 1449965227 577392 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your forward < 1449965229 87061 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1449965273 265298 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not counting the spam dated next tuesday, though, I haven't had any email go to the spam folder for half an hour < 1449965348 576318 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1449967121 709778 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449967522 266264 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: So where can i download Your Dissertation? ☺ < 1449967541 698579 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/6120/1/Smith15PhD.pdf < 1449967559 533207 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks Mate! < 1449967779 873757 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449967812 153309 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449968749 196285 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449968884 38784 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449968950 336396 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMHO, HTML is reaching the point of being outdated. I think I'll make a new-and-improved advanced markup language designed for browsers. It'll never be used, but it'll be fun to make. < 1449968979 760739 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449968986 42392 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449968996 748578 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449969272 634037 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gpkmnbotsrimcvur QUIT :Excess Flood < 1449969339 731124 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449969371 820837 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449969426 314732 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-uomdkfqwpygdtoce JOIN :#esoteric < 1449969459 972458 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :𐐝 < 1449969503 921704 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\_> oh its god damn tmux fucking up unicide <-- no problems with that character with tmux + irssi here < 1449969528 533598 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a square to me < 1449969534 787770 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not an "I don't understand this" square < 1449969537 72905 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell \oren\_ <\oren\_> oh its god damn tmux fucking up unicide <-- no problems with that character with tmux + irssi here < 1449969537 348017 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449969541 982912 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 𐐝 < 1449969543 149757 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1041D DESERET CAPITAL LETTER ES] < 1449969550 528877 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, presumably it's just not in my font < 1449969571 394825 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose technically it's a little cut off on the right. < 1449969607 357288 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: i guess i should say congrats! < 1449969623 608659 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1449969657 695618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you dr_oerjan? < 1449969666 472233 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory. < 1449969694 779965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i look for information about oerjan i find information about his pal instead < 1449969712 515273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I treated myself with MDMA and psychedelics (Pål’s story)" < 1449969914 370676 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "dr" is short for "dabbling researcher" ) < 1449970027 869658 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those ligatures in the topic don't show up to me, though :( < 1449970081 298979 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly they do work in my combination (xterm with "fixed" font; ssh; screen; irssi) < 1449970164 128928 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait some of them work < 1449970167 174376 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's what they render as for me, by the way: http://xen.firefly.nu/up/2015-12-13_022910.png < 1449970176 745152 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that st ligature looks ridiculous in this font < 1449970179 231251 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fl and fi < 1449970185 539537 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the s is ligaturing onto the top of the t < 1449970193 223027 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd fit better connecting to the left of the crossbar < 1449970219 390158 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think that is how the st ligature usually works < 1449970230 995821 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with a fancy swirl to latch onto the top < 1449970234 361252 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why even ligate it if you're going to do that? < 1449970242 917205 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't make it more condensed, just stupider < 1449970267 541032 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure.. style? < 1449970282 603050 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does seem rather pointless < 1449970289 990725 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/effi.png < 1449970313 988900 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a ligature because it's a common digraph, maybe. A bit like how & stems from an 'et' ligature < 1449970340 184783 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why isn't there a th ligature? < 1449970348 283187 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite legible given a 6 pixel width... < 1449970349 567474 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was testing out azip again recently in another channel < 1449970363 703913 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and noticed that it had compressed "github" as "[g][i][th][u][b]" < 1449970364 525555 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question, th would be a good candidate I guess < 1449970377 402111 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is azip? < 1449970426 780934 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a compression algo I was working on ages ago < 1449970439 511972 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the end it was beating bz2 for my test programs, but losing to lzma < 1449970447 430 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it "grew up" in #esoteric < 1449970460 597906 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1449970464 384592 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 ais523 ais523 38107 Oct 23 2010 azip.c < 1449970471 324756 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the overall design like? < 1449970477 700142 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I had the harrowing experience of looking at my own five-year-old code, and discovering that it was actually quite readable < 1449970481 899454 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't supposed to happen < 1449970485 164027 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1449970497 607097 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically it recursively defines new "letters" in terms of pairs of other letters < 1449970508 810712 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then eventually once it's got a large enough dictionary of letters, uses them to write out the output < 1449970521 227552 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that example, it was using "th" as a definition and the other five letters raw < 1449970555 296254 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came across a compression algorithm that worked like that last summer < 1449970566 680063 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, unless I misunderstood something. I'll find it < 1449970672 500970 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_pair_encoding Like this? < 1449970718 107758 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the differences are that a) I do it recursively (so some of the "letters" can end up really long); b) I can go well over 255 letters used < 1449970735 238138 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it mentions the recursive use too < 1449970744 784824 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's basically that principle except that I don't have to waste a whole 8 bits per letter < 1449970762 114970 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reversed a compression format using that encoding... it was.. interesting < 1449970773 734646 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449970776 62728 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty hard to follow what was going on since not much at all was legible < 1449970786 946641 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was studying compressed plaintext) < 1449970787 839575 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses a kind of "pre-calculated" huffman encoding where the frequency of each letter's assumed to be proportional to the cube root of the order in which it appears in the input < 1449970795 920517 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :compressed English text, that is < 1449970814 951462 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I'd say azip's an evolved version of that algo < 1449970838 753751 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are various improvements that you can make withotu changing the decompressor, in general it's quite amenable to the use of "better" compressors < 1449970859 356824 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's always a nice property < 1449970862 329682 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it figured out how to write a modulus even without me telling it that the modulus operation existed <-- so you're saying it's ssapient? < 1449970881 664659 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it was just an accumulation of small optimization rules < 1449970883 292096 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I like it < 1449970904 338074 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly "x - ((x / y) * y)" doesn't really roll of the tongue < 1449970912 451515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is boily's mapole sapient? < 1449970967 114432 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: of course, that's why every mapole comes with a syrup bucket < 1449970991 6747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems a bit problematic < 1449971027 199975 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the mapole made of maple? < 1449971033 147973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole < 1449971034 611519 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6' by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg. < 1449971044 181925 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you forget to collect it for too long < 1449971052 406410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1449971056 168044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sweet deal < 1449971261 436246 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1449971282 450144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a man, a plan, a mapole < 1449971295 906353 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that isn't a palindrome < 1449971296 551754 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a man with a plan and a mapole. < 1449971378 673934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how to complete it to a palindrome, either. < 1449972019 636908 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449972056 433042 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449972089 239419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GOTO++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45862&oldid=43954 5* 03Tuzepoito 5* (+3167) 10Update and cleanup < 1449972285 651423 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449972459 784485 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449972535 583010 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449972700 493973 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449972743 785237 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449972805 131257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they say they will add the colorless mana symbol {C} which can be paid only by colorless mana, and the corresponding basic land which has no subtype and does not count as a "traditional" basic land. Maybe they would tought of it when changing the chaos symbol to {CHAOS} instead of just {C}? < 1449972824 652431 :jaboja!~jaboja@djt193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449972839 503559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Where do they say that? < 1449972877 995334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I read recently today < 1449973064 617486 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449973182 396644 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds rather confusing to me < 1449973545 845206 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting how DataBASEs follow ACID < 1449973576 180367 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or is it BASE? I know that both ACID and BASE are used, one as a replacement for the other, but I'm not sure which is which) < 1449973679 644387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Where did you read it? < 1449973839 938464 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eventually consistent services are often classified as providing BASE (Basically Available, Soft state, Eventual consistency) semantics, in contrast to traditional ACID (Atomicity, Consistency, Isolation, Durability) guarantees." - thanks, hadn't heard of BASE before. < 1449973958 783745 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often have problems trying to remember what ACID stands for < 1449973966 111069 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite's docs strongly imply that the I is for Integrity, fwiw < 1449973969 902925 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without outright stating that < 1449974064 298061 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have trouble remembering it, and I think it even was an exam question on the exam in our databases course < 1449974079 533681 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think it was multiple-choice, so it wasn't too bad to figure out which one was correct < 1449974124 63025 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that started with letters other than A, C, I, and D were presumably wrong? < 1449974161 882818 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, integrity is part of consistency... < 1449974181 795321 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all did :P, but I think they changed all of the words between each choice < 1449974293 141420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the sqlite docs... "The pager module is responsible for making SQLite "ACID" (Atomic, Consistent, Isolated, and Durable)." < 1449974293 627890 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449974323 90383 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So everyone agrees! < 1449974330 470064 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449974497 885189 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449974549 431763 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449974562 698209 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449974766 474424 :andrew_!~andrew@59.38.97.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449974859 739239 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449974866 162893 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449974918 138232 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449975145 231883 :andrew_!~andrew@59.38.97.24 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449975262 160415 :andrew_!~andrew@59.38.97.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449975564 738391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449975815 24039 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449975944 670303 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449977284 719350 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449977345 745905 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449977381 28417 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm home! < 1449977397 761138 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449977402 105279 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ais523 is a doctor now! < 1449977408 240201 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1449977477 840594 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations! < 1449977503 660195 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449977511 464685 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1449977511 518506 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1449977855 203303 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: your nethack 4 website needs to be updated to Dr. PhD < 1449977876 707250 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much "needs" I think < 1449977886 651204 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I'm going to officially change my name in all the places that already have it < 1449977890 747759 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely I'll just use it on new things < 1449977923 9505 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a doctor is pretty fancy < 1449977925 269115 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations < 1449978102 930697 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has probably not in of itself made me better at esolangs < 1449978111 813388 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have revived my interest in esolangs at much the same time < 1449978124 202639 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even persuaded other people to talk about Three Star Programmer (even if I fear it's "too easy") < 1449978830 337188 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449978869 418555 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449979227 696225 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449979261 820905 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449979370 511250 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449979539 743317 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449979791 716962 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449979841 706158 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449980145 199014 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449980579 401549 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449980734 986783 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449980984 704560 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449981151 11287 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449981192 465037 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449981382 705653 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449981635 566508 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449981819 768174 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449982305 31698 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449983829 77968 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1449983838 507764 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a lexer working for PyDB! < 1449983845 825181 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the DB software I'm developing! < 1449983921 887592 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a website up usually where you can test it out. Unfortunately, I'm not at a place where I can properly forward the ports. < 1449983988 425995 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there might be a horrible bug that allows people to view any file on my computer (the ".." bug) < 1449983999 52521 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I think firefox prevents you from testing it. < 1449984029 590213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use netcat to test it < 1449984237 888278 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, probably fixed it < 1449984243 484609 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah. Windows. Remember? < 1449984255 981029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use netcat on Windows too. < 1449984273 646105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, it is not built-in, so you have to install it separately if you are on Windows) < 1449984300 162434 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I prefer to just fix it in case it works. < 1449984308 715695 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PyDB is stack based :) < 1449984315 224071 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"John" "first_name" COLUMN = ALL "users" DB SELECT < 1449984352 754344 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That finds users with first name "John" in your "users" DB and returns them < 1449984417 638877 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion1: NICE < 1449984423 254103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you post the codes then we can download and execute this program and see its working < 1449984442 730401 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What part of the program? < 1449984446 822006 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server or the DB? < 1449984455 888939 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DB is just a lexer so far. < 1449984471 563012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DB, once you make it enough (not quite yet) < 1449984496 424593 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean the DB, I have something better (except right now, when I can't port forward): In-browser interaction < 1449984526 710575 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After every new version of the 'terp, there's a form where you can enter code and it will executed it and output it to a box on the bottom right of the screen < 1449984539 489359 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I suppose I already said that < 1449984559 248607 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's possible you meant post the code because there's no other way for you to see it < 1449984560 847497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I would prefer to run it outside of the browser, it is a better way < 1449984565 90504 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449984565 880166 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449984582 158023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, you don't have to post it yet; first make work more on it so that it is working better. < 1449984601 320924 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you mean you'd prefer to download it and run it yourself, or would you prefer some API docs to connect to my computer? < 1449984654 480096 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The API is simple: Just send a multipart/formdata post request to the server with the "commands" entry equivalent to the command you wish to send. < 1449984665 516050 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I think about it, that might be a shit way to do it < 1449984675 37448 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it integrates well with the setup I have right now < 1449984682 421445 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It returns the output as plain text < 1449984694 75712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To run it by myself would work best, although API would be suitable when wanting to access the data remotely. < 1449984695 150348 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449984705 700798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If there is any suitable data to access remotely!) < 1449984746 556558 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, you have to send it to the path terps/ for it to work. version number is like 0.01 (that's the current version), though you use underscores instead of full stops for the subversions) < 1449984773 957844 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll upload it to github. No personal website (yet!), so that's my best hosting location. < 1449984822 916338 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, I could just pastebin the code when I'm ready. Would you prefer access to the devlog? < 1449984824 703725 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449984855 449052 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want the devlog, you need to be running python 3.4 or 3.5 with aiohttp installed, as well as pygments. < 1449984861 897887 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: Did you get a doctorate? < 1449984871 6826 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1449984872 87955 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is going to be AFK from the 14th to the 25th < 1449984877 208935 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION claps < 1449984878 339361 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1449984890 715864 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not a slow clap, either. Genuine applause) < 1449984893 835717 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: thanks for letting us know, saves us worrying about you < 1449984927 741895 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion1: there must be some sort of rule about IRC that no matter how hard you try to indicate you aren't being sarcastic, pretty much anything anyone says can be perceived as such < 1449984941 517958 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So devlog or no devlog? < 1449984984 442620 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: I believe that that was Mdr. Hedwig Notta's first discovered theorem; the thing that got him into Chathematics. < 1449984994 205197 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523, Congratulations! < 1449985031 373581 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/6120/1/Smith15PhD.pdf for anyone who wants to read the thesis itself (apologies for my university's formatting guidelines) < 1449985032 620522 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( zzo38: the devlog also serves as the docs, for now, so you probably want that. It's just a simple site.) < 1449985050 863768 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I concluded that fighting to get the information and structure in there was more important than arguing over the formatting < 1449985154 433660 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A wiser man than me < 1449985181 202683 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the font size is a few fractions of a pixel below what I was supposed to use, but matching it exactly was too hard < 1449985191 607528 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to get permission from my supervisor, which was mostly getting him to say that he didn't care < 1449985231 875303 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "you must get permission from your supervisor" rule was apparently written with no backing or means to enforce it, but I'm the sort of person who tends to obey ridiculous rules that aren't actively harmful in the hope that it helps people realise how ridiculous they are) < 1449985235 126666 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449985426 991012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's not genuine about slow clapping? < 1449985431 785687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need a devlog < 1449985461 333788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Python 2.7.3 though, not 3.4, sorry < 1449985495 925731 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah. That would be problematic if you needed it; however, it should be fine. < 1449985514 397326 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though there are no docs besides the devlog. < 1449985524 506497 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YET < 1449985554 451362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's OK; I don't need anything yet. Although once it is much closer to being complete, I would like to see the program < 1449985561 62988 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1449985593 261110 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think it will run on python 2.7, as it uses a library made for 3.5 that is just barely working on 3.4 < 1449985625 712513 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does some async stuff. < 1449985692 790365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may not even want to execute it, but just to see it. If I do need to execute it I would need to upgrade the package because this package manager says it has only version 3.2 < 1449985759 158779 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be able to read the HTML file (though not use the interactive updates) without 3.4, but the server itself will need to be run on 3.4 or 3.5. Or, I suppose the backend might run on 2.7 (like, the part that actually does the databasing) and you could use the default behavior (a REPL) to play with it < 1449985776 106894 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you decide to run it, that is. < 1449986019 861395 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449986021 169839 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1449986124 540446 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449986136 674228 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449986351 820948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my proposals for changes of SQLite? < 1449986381 80834 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think the SQLite docs link to them < 1449986387 564915 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as something that people might want to take into consideration < 1449986432 263273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: How is that? < 1449986471 54410 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm confusing it with something else < 1449986488 418161 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps yes < 1449986496 252303 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find it grepping the docs < 1449986945 557960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the features I wanted was to allow virtual tables to consume LIMIT and OFFSET clauses in some cases (I wrote a documentation that mentions some of the considerations needed to do this); it seem to me it would be helpful for use with remote data < 1449987023 576583 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449987133 501286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also some other things that currently only are supported for real tables, and I wrote about some of the considerations for doing with virtual tables, and also a few other things that may be useful for virtual tables, such as batch update support. < 1449987140 430545 :mapless!~chatzilla@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mapless JOIN :#esoteric < 1449987339 716618 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449987463 174762 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449987464 290405 :mapless!~chatzilla@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mapless NICK :mapless_away < 1449987476 393548 :mapless_away!~chatzilla@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mapless NICK :mapless < 1449987698 47360 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449988039 781859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of these kind of idea? < 1449988121 352372 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it seems like a good idea if you're using virtual tables < 1449988129 203741 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I haven't needed to though < 1449988359 779776 :mapless!~chatzilla@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mapless NICK :mapless_away < 1449988394 291179 :mapless_away!~chatzilla@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mapless NICK :mapless < 1449988757 821499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written a virtual table module to read RDF data and also one to read JSON data (based on PDJSON); SQLite now includes its own JSON implementation though, which is probably better than mine. But if you want to add virtual tables to access remote data or to manipulate pictures or whatever, then some such new feature might also be useful. < 1449988779 766264 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449988838 770990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virtual table can already support consuming MATCH constraints, which can be useful for remote data if the remote service uses its own query syntax for matching strings or text or whatever. < 1449989024 624565 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449989568 648168 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1449989855 125762 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449989870 814911 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449989958 742563 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449990108 428757 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1449990306 344298 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449990342 360701 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1449990350 743698 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449990459 719507 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449990473 404719 :mapless!~chatzilla@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mapless PART :#esoteric < 1449990476 423338 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449991339 715534 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449991534 985035 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449991549 40692 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449991595 662319 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449992311 111871 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449992966 156026 :andrew_!~andrew@59.38.97.24 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449993050 421670 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449993162 244599 :andrew_!~andrew@59.38.97.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449993480 772116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449993527 481064 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449993565 776938 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449994179 719837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449994421 705403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449994444 35339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :dr_ais523 < 1449994933 631542 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449994978 707135 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449995437 579794 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1449996139 731150 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1449996346 588184 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449996389 776658 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449996623 94342 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449996657 683065 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449997193 136556 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449997232 426285 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449997256 935599 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We shoudl found the Unnecessary Standardization Society < 1449997327 570496 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Only if we must < 1449997376 832803 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1449997385 231173 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that aimed at me or just an epic coincidence? < 1449997461 235560 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449997474 906001 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: oerjan often does aim at people in quit messages < 1449997482 878301 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449997487 881623 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, we tried forming an esolang standardisation organisation before now < 1449997491 43988 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't noticed that thus far < 1449997492 987227 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it never accomplished anything < 1449997500 702183 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449997514 410982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: "Unnecessary Standardization Society" wouldn't be for esolangs, strictly < 1449997526 119873 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1449997530 179495 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be for standardizing things that should not be standardized. < 1449997538 169451 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could, say, standardize toilet paper orientation < 1449997545 416043 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Exactly. < 1449997564 29924 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like how you torture people (which is something which shouldn't be done, let alone done in a standard way) < 1449997579 390472 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea why that idea came to mind < 1449997586 137675 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be to some degree a parody of actual standardization < 1449997597 60960 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All corpuses must use this pattern of writing" < 1449997605 749369 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You may draw in one of these 12 styles" < 1449997607 108908 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etc. < 1449997617 474841 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things which become worse after standardization < 1449997625 950239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I formed something vaguely like that (although it wasn't strictly restricted to only things that shouldn't be standardised) with a friend years ago, but it didn't really go anywhere. < 1449997699 800175 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Was that the thing dr_ais523 was talking about? < 1449997711 741061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1449997713 13943 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1449997715 743064 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449997734 271455 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I decide to form an EsoStandard Society, I'll probably incoroprate ESON as a standard. < 1449997746 182821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was more about standardising just random things in general, both useless and maybe (accidentally) useful. < 1449997757 948904 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449997771 912189 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another standard: Imperial measurements of data < 1449997776 982987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a punny acronym and a number of files that have probably now been lost, that's all. < 1449997788 364642 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One bill is equivalent to 24 bits" < 1449997796 742170 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so forth. < 1449997810 405982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because data can really only be measured in binarized metric < 1449997825 575713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HThere are extensions of the eating-based nomenclature. < 1449997866 200049 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Such as? < 1449997870 389801 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bit?) < 1449997893 513113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like two bits are allegedly a crumb, but there are all kinds of suggestions for going upwards from nybble/byte too. Not really widespread enough to be standard. < 1449997917 713428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember hearing "meal" at least. < 1449997928 439834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how many bits it was. < 1449997969 764733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also probably a useful unit, which wouldn't be that "imperial" < 1449997972 758625 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps 8? < 1449997982 140923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's byte. < 1449997991 458235 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, I meant 8 bytes < 1449998016 952326 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Exactly. Imperial Units for data would be completely arbitrary and pointless and generally bad. < 1449998017 488704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, maybe. Not sure if 8 bites is much of a meal. < 1449998033 857326 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: TELL THAT TO THE CHILDREN STARVING IN AFRICA < 1449998034 742635 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1449998036 304396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's maybe more of a snack. < 1449998046 458978 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: snyck. < 1449998050 416452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1449998070 232288 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myle < 1449998123 65275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 bytes is a paragraph, which provides a different theme of extensions. I think this one was used in an esolang. Maybe even something by the doctor. < 1449998123 815797 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1449998153 730928 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is there such thing as a pizza? Equivalent to ~4 meals assuming each person eats 2 slices and it's a standard pizza. < 1449998162 110624 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pyzza? < 1449998166 930780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't heard that. < 1449998172 382513 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't either < 1449998176 655304 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made it upp < 1449998240 924807 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does something count as having been made by a doctor if they earned their doctorate after they made it? < 1449998251 797129 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, do doctorates backpropogate? < 1449998264 875010 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, how can we abuse this knowledge? < 1449998340 780938 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's probably a type from Infinite Vector, which was made by me < 1449998345 129344 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is mostly admired for the type names < 1449998365 351125 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A yes-or-no question followed by "If so, how can we abuse this knowledge?" is now my favourite thing to say < 1449998387 974139 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could change "if so," to "if not," depending in the question < 1449998395 353594 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: Yes, of course < 1449998397 557735 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and almost double the number of circumstances it works in < 1449998423 577699 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much < 1449998430 542967 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe more than double < 1449998470 739268 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are more questions to which the answer is "no" than there are to which it is "yes", assuming a finitely-large universe, or that our frame-of-reference is limited to the observable universe < 1449998519 306572 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless, of course, you count negated questions as unique questions. Which we don't here. < 1449998582 756989 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do, then there are an equal number of both "yes"-answerable questions and "no"-answerable questions, and that number is infinity because you can negate repeatedly to produce new questions. < 1449998608 180972 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're sane and don't count n-negated questions where n>1 as unique questions < 1449998633 31607 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I'm insane but nonetheless don't count n-negated questions where n>1 as unique questions? < 1449998659 331589 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: I never said you can't be insane and do that. I think. Did I? < 1449998668 323280 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, maybe we should formulate Question Theory to formalize the things which we can abuse the knowledge of. < 1449998682 843600 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there's an existing field of mathematics that does that already < 1449998689 602560 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is, it's most likely formal logic < 1449998706 571302 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though question theory could be created with a Curry-Howard-like correspondence to Formal Logic < 1449998715 858406 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it depends on what "unless" means < 1449998721 441647 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1449998722 596560 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ture < 1449998730 946351 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ur/ru/ < 1449998757 212724 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT : < 1449998805 115799 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to figure out Question Theory < 1449998812 194724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what it's about, strictly < 1449998823 197967 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the mathematical object that we call a "Question"? < 1449998880 412133 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And which probably resides in the set Ε (from the greek word "Ερώτηση") < 1449998958 712010 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With this, we will make mathematics require even more rigor! You will have to formulate a formal question to even consider anything! Mwahahahaha!) < 1449999092 880741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: Have any ideas? Can't think of what to make a formal question xD < 1449999106 617850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a really niche application (as one does), and usually I've put them to github to be ignored by everyone (ditto), but now I'm technically supposed to ask for permission from my employer first. :/ < 1449999114 317916 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: not really < 1449999125 190616 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the sort of person for whom a good idea normally takes days to work out the implication of < 1449999131 548502 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449999149 824808 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why? < 1449999160 766177 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you need to ask permission for something you make? < 1449999175 844538 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're using a company account. < 1449999225 19633 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a Question probably is a constraint and a set of possible answers < 1449999245 818048 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The constraints have to match some formal definition of question constraints < 1449999254 286683 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'll work from there. < 1449999257 302148 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now < 1449999259 642602 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must sleep. < 1449999260 450608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because our standard contract has a (not so unusual) clause on it that makes them own everything by default if it is "relevant to the business", and given the amount of pies Google has their fingers in, with sufficiently far-fetched logic even very silly things could technically fall in that bucket. < 1449999279 560811 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1449999303 465823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they could take my niche application and sell it, in theory. I might even pay, say, a dollar for it, if someone else had written it. < 1449999316 551818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nobody would have, because I don't think it really has much of an audience. < 1449999335 560536 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do anyway? < 1449999362 304379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: It's yet another variation of the port knocking scheme that people use to hide open services from casual observers. < 1449999371 659827 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, yes < 1449999391 270095 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google would probably be potentially interested in that field generally, but quite possibly have a decent impl already and don't need another < 1449999437 256051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr_ais523: I wanted something that (a) does the knocking with a TCP SYN packet into the same port it will eventually connect (for robustness -- that's something that should succeed if the connection itself will) and (b) can be performed from a stock Android device. < 1449999463 604226 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, (b) is probably less of a problem for Google < 1449999488 969183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For (a) above, there's http://www.thoughtcrime.org/software/knockknock/ (well, that's dead now; but it's got like 27 forks in Github, I'm sure at least one of them is still going), but it puts the data into fields of the TCP packet you can't modify from an unprivileged application. < 1449999519 353151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went with an app that puts a special magic value into the advertised TCP MSS field, which is something you can setsockopt from a regular process. < 1449999545 113865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It misses all the fancy crypto for indistinguishability and replay-proofness, but OTOH it's not *worse* than regular "hit this port" knocking. < 1449999555 570836 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1449999579 681321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the Android app needs no special magic to perform the knock.) < 1449999699 751291 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1449999711 813058 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449999745 594392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's one other alternative which I came up with while tinkering with this that satisfies (a) + (b) and allows for large(r) amounts of data, but it's IPv4 only and so not terribly future-proof. < 1449999798 229214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :setsockopt(..., IPPROTO_IP, IP_OPTIONS, ...) can be set on a socket (even a stream one) to adjust the IPv4 option headers for all packets going out of that socket. < 1449999819 719155 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1449999832 688124 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449999848 91328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem there is that the corresponding Linux API for IPv6 is not a socket option -- you pass control messages to sendmsg, and it only works for SOCK_DGRAM (and SOCK_RAW) sockets, so it can't be used to affect the TCP SYN. < 1449999930 242408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, using a fixed magic TCP MSS has the advantage that the server side doesn't need a program to do the crypto, it can be a simple iptables rule with "-m tcpmss --mss X". < 1450000581 159310 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450001235 89663 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450001583 720833 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1450001796 224146 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is superelliptic geometry possible? < 1450001805 633408 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus, by extension, Square Geometry? < 1450001979 816137 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1450002104 425618 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450002184 820546 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450002310 848073 :sewilton!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mqzdohazzekdjoes QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450002339 385339 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-elbzbracpamepyho QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450002389 1698 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Quit: quit < 1450002417 342217 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wfyoyribtsfahpql QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450002438 640011 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450002447 190011 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450002893 776824 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hyperbolic geometry < 1450002904 794315 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperbolic geometry? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450002947 259267 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Hyperbolic Geometry/Hyperbolic Geometry is geometry that is exaggerated to the point of absurdity < 1450002950 643016 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «hyperbolic geometry» < 1450002955 689427 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hyperbolic geometry < 1450002958 253557 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyperbolic Geometry is geometry that is exaggerated to the point of absurdity < 1450003186 122697 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-uomdkfqwpygdtoce QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450003504 403803 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450003686 555002 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymbuegzkuwdjpua JOIN :#esoteric < 1450003746 300422 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mrbngtxclfivgtmo JOIN :#esoteric < 1450003780 478566 :sewilton!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bxiselghagwlmsmf JOIN :#esoteric < 1450003828 741639 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vuksfobpblwwvtec JOIN :#esoteric < 1450004859 700398 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1450005272 11486 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1450005465 85884 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450006121 272535 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450006299 719969 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1450006424 405760 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450007175 747190 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450007734 651562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. As I specified the Aspis of Horatio Cocles, it would allow a crazy expensive strategy where you get it, wish for the Eye of Misspelling, go to a quest nemesis (or really any strong monster except the Wizard), branchport to the castle, controlled teleport to the bridge, and defeat it there. < 1450007754 757221 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not overpowered though, because it needs controlled teleport, the EotA, and a random artifact. < 1450007786 336006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the nemesis could still try to heal at the stairs if you don't block it. < 1450007869 152936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckiliy it's trickier against the Wizard of Yendor: he'd curse the Aspis and your weapon to your hands, at which point you're screwed unless you're very prepared. < 1450008434 429454 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450008939 711696 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1450009064 771788 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450009389 285309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In both scenarios, they were not separated before Atlas. < 1450009394 677129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, wrong paste < 1450009397 869168 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In both scenarios, they were not separated before Atlas. < 1450009400 709009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1450009468 570073 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450009479 937537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to http://mythology.stackexchange.com/a/1224/197 , after Zeus and his fellow Olympian gods overthrew the Titans (Kronos etc), he punished the Titan Atlas by giving him the task that he has to hold the celestial sphere Oranos separate from the earth Gaia, because “If they united together once more, Gaia might start birthing titans again and the Olympian Gods see that as bad thing.” < 1450009491 751067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ giving him the task that he has to hold the celestial sphere Oranos separate from the earth Gaia, because “If they united together once more, Gaia might start birthing titans again and the Olympian Gods see that as bad thing.” < 1450009538 569492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Zeus tasks a defeated Titan to ensure that no more Titans can be born and so the Titans can't get to power again. < 1450009549 249339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds to me like such a stupid idea that only Zeus could come up with it. < 1450009564 120963 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it could explain why the Olympian gods are no longer in power. < 1450009619 143032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The titans just needed a hero who isn't on the Olympian's side to explain the situation to Atlas and convince him to drop the sky, < 1450009663 686080 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then new gods could be born again, they can release the old Titans from Tartarus and overthrow Zeus's rule. < 1450009715 600601 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450009779 774208 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1450009824 644987 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450009912 790211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zeus isn't entirely stupid, mind you. He was good in getting other gods as allies. He gained Hades and Hephaistos as allies by donating them beautiful women to marry, then gained other gods as allies by using the technology created by Hephaistos. < 1450009991 902099 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450010259 875490 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1450010271 743552 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450010494 996209 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1450010555 465674 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450011180 176006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450012515 369108 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-mrbngtxclfivgtmo QUIT :Excess Flood < 1450012659 717247 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1450012672 650895 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450012746 349485 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-chtduxpieloixery JOIN :#esoteric < 1450013160 431463 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450013259 800928 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1450013323 77823 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450013986 194803 :andrew_!~andrew@59.38.97.24 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450014013 403947 :andrew_!~andrew@59.38.97.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450014247 899391 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@uptime < 1450014248 164467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :uptime: 20h 1m 51s, longest uptime: 1m 10d 23h 44m 29s < 1450014442 247942 :dr_ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1450014574 588301 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450014770 892367 :MoALTz_!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450014935 714708 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450015690 579790 :jaboja!~jaboja@djt193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450016412 385822 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450016493 640008 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450016537 728552 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1450016538 219482 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 131400Z 04008KT 30SM BKN240 01/M03 A3031 RMK CI7 SLP266 < 1450016553 518079 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 1. back to normaler temperatures. < 1450017015 622781 :jaboja!~jaboja@djt193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450017270 647410 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I return from Italy! < 1450017272 969383 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.214 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450017284 664602 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of < 1450017651 502805 :tromp!~tromp@24.190.11.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450017741 274381 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you overwrote the vacation stack, so now you return to an unknown adress? < 1450017755 616750 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, Tanelle!) < 1450017940 618761 :tromp!~tromp@24.190.11.216 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450018545 380706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1450018545 785382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 131450Z AUTO 15001KT 6000 OVC003 09/08 Q1018 BECMG BKN005 < 1450018557 235304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's less than ten. < 1450018580 900916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECMG BKN looks like the kind of thing people write in their textual messages. < 1450018647 279111 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450018652 395792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Speak SMS to me, please. < 1450018652 965033 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: am i that much bad, ur bd me kisike side nai:-d... aur 1 bar mein gassey ( in out) maare ,to us larki: kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi n < 1450018669 124441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That's a bit too much. < 1450018669 407360 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: finish my presentation le three hours standing exhausted. just want to cuddle up and take. :-d < 1450018691 933513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Oh, you're giving a presentation? What about? < 1450018692 170918 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wat i cnt i said i ' l talk later < 1450018739 897237 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mapole lop ami ... a dictionary word mapole palindrome... but making a meaningful one seems hard < 1450018836 169275 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(here's a tempting but probably useless start: develop a mapole ved...) < 1450019117 984280 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello! < 1450019128 39781 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapole mapole mapole ♪ < 1450019143 417802 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. kbi na kbi na kbi na kbi na. < 1450019561 155870 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450020019 335370 :Froox!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450021440 181868 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a long wait at heathrow... < 1450021777 783417 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450021934 333927 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450022216 54478 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450023564 840358 :MoALTz_!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450023649 862123 :MoALTz_!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450023964 817936 :MoALTz_!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl NICK :MoALTz < 1450024784 171478 :andrew_!~andrew@59.38.97.24 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450024854 291629 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450024854 435764 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1450024854 489621 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450026174 823520 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: TEMPER CHICKEN < 1450026584 455734 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450028493 400278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is to officially inform you that it has come to our notice and we have thoroughly Investigated with the help of our Intelligence Monitoring Network System that you are having an illegal Transaction with Impostors Claiming to be the Secretary General of the United Nation, Ban Ki-Moon, the CEO HSBC Bank UK, formal FIFA President, none officials of Barclays UK, China Construction Bank , China, Agricultural Bank of China , China, Wells < 1450028493 526432 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fargo, US, JPMorgan Chase, US, Wells Fargo, US,HSBC Holdings UK,Royal Bank of Canada , Canada, Commonwealth Bank Australia,ICBC China, Bank of China are Impostors. During our Investigation, we noticed that the reason why you have not received your Payment is because you have not fulfilled your Financial Obligation given to you in respect of your Contract/Inheritance Payment." < 1450028502 301051 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ spam email claiming to be from FBI < 1450028527 523784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the thought here, that the FBI wants to assist with your illegal transaction with imposters? < 1450028799 899445 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta spam, beautiful < 1450028838 689163 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm afraid that this goes beyond logic < 1450028957 323129 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think that the reason it's illegal is that you aren't giving them your details < 1450029186 142339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be old... http://www.snopes.com/CRIME/fraud/atmcard.asp < 1450029305 727617 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that specimen is neat because it mentions people imposting FBI agents) < 1450029450 960317 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1450029521 521820 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the usual logic applies; "oh wow, that's a lot of money" "I'll risk $500 for that" "also it's from the FBI" "the text was too long I didn't read all of that" < 1450029703 132561 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of https://xkcd.com/570/ < 1450029792 263338 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though now that I look at it again, I think the guy in the car just wanted a new car without paying for it < 1450029995 429353 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450030068 649076 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450030201 576374 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450030224 434465 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450030402 701204 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450030406 145822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450030408 433789 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450030408 504230 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450030408 586709 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450030486 702406 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, same joke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdi6E-qzS1c < 1450030500 427786 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450030682 426767 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450030858 614086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1450031614 93683 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, thanks < 1450032116 366286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With my "relative location bar" extension to Firefox, I find it sometimes useful to use the ALT+ENTER to open a relative URL in a new tab. It is also sometimes useful in order to open the current URL in a new tab. < 1450032325 540123 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.196 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450032400 550862 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450032699 492433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best interpretation of quantum mechanics is: Mathematics is the real reality. < 1450032747 968520 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the alternatives? < 1450032802 392357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot (more than I know)! It can be look up in Wikipedia too < 1450033006 733638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people say it is embarassing for everyone to have a different opinion, but that is stupid because the correct way is that nobody know if/how such thing is supposed to be matter of opinion, religion, scientific, philosophy, or an experiment; therefore how can you know what/if a correct answer can be? Nobody can know. < 1450033921 571962 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450034175 569219 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450035031 823018 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450035233 887995 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450035234 167702 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450035234 555643 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450035234 689114 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450035234 779711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450035234 833589 :deltab!~deltab@cpc2-smal2-0-0-cust22.19-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450035234 901718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450035234 986283 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450035235 135202 :nitrix!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450035235 419500 :staffehn_!~quassel@staffehn.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450035235 610689 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450035235 804539 :cnr!~connor@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450035235 892777 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450035236 239405 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450035260 75040 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450035260 129050 :staffehn_!~quassel@staffehn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450035260 129098 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450035260 129113 :nitrix!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix JOIN :#esoteric < 1450035260 129125 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1450035260 129137 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450035260 129150 :deltab!~deltab@cpc2-smal2-0-0-cust22.19-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450035260 129163 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1450035260 129175 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450035260 129188 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450035260 129201 :cnr!~connor@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1450035260 129213 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1450035260 129226 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1450035450 757059 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450035486 826279 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1450036029 219136 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450036074 68780 :jaboja!~jaboja@djt193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450036347 55301 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450037006 649746 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450037579 702332 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450037672 410750 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1450037673 461219 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450039046 149740 :jaboja!~jaboja@djt193.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450039142 472167 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450039315 674932 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450039432 475972 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Wms0-1p 5* 10New user account < 1450039718 779970 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450039858 468139 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1450040338 34070 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450040522 755709 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450040645 246766 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1450040991 794019 JOIN :#esoteric > 1450040995 849919 JOIN :#esoteric > 1450040996 356384 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450041121 497652 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1450041129 635517 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilioodbye[1]! < 1450041129 635549 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CARDBOARD CHICKEN < 1450041129 635572 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1450041352 422937 JOIN :#esoteric > 1450041356 468702 JOIN :#esoteric > 1450041356 973964 JOIN :#esoteric > 1450041392 530875 JOIN :#esoteric > 1450041396 586284 JOIN :#esoteric > 1450041397 94537 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450041425 104449 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1450041495 615528 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1450041548 593098 :Guest79570!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1450041693 227995 JOIN :#esoteric > 1450041697 279130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1450041697 786885 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450041704 102898 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1450041838 318270 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1450042353 168102 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1450044284 406526 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1450044464 496155 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450044796 665535 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450044906 292832 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450045046 316933 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450046524 123537 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450047140 388959 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gpicucomrlrdelza JOIN :#esoteric < 1450047692 863808 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450047848 834796 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. < 1450048484 112159 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoily < 1450049448 922343 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( boily ) < 1450049456 952446 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1450049567 696762 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( boily )? < 1450049573 419917 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. < 1450049644 274630 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bood evenily < 1450049723 160327 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: That was me alerting you to my presence. The problem with esellos is that it doesn't beep the other user. < 1450049784 343081 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.196 QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1450049924 914019 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense. but some of us get pinged on part of their nicks, and others just reflexively alt-tab alt-tab (as I do). < 1450049945 693419 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then we have the All Seeing Oerjan, the Backlogger. < 1450049980 553691 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : you could, say, standardize toilet paper orientation <-- i'm sorry that is already completely standard, even if some INFIDELS get it WRONG WRONG WRONG < 1450049985 865751 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1450050017 132022 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ais523 is now a Dr.? < 1450050019 108244 :evalj!~jeval@catv-89-133-135-148.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450050079 140098 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd know if you read the logs hth < 1450050092 314689 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :point. < 1450050093 484954 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also if you had been here yesterday for any length of time...) < 1450050121 754550 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday I was Christmas shopping, and we had our Christmas office party. < 1450050141 387152 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1450050257 752416 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : There was a punny acronym and a number of files that have probably now been lost, that's all. <-- i have this hunch this is not a very identifying description. < 1450050305 83912 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450050952 584070 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450051219 748316 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to team up with a friend and go into some small-scale web development. < 1450051270 483922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is I made some idea about stuff that could be useful in SQLite: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/sqlext < 1450051282 478858 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45863&oldid=45860 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Specification */ < 1450051300 178608 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45864&oldid=45863 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Specification */ < 1450051387 907263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45865&oldid=45864 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-6) 10/* Compiler */ < 1450051388 79645 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : And which probably resides in the set Ε (from the greek word "Ερώτηση") <-- i see greeks consider questions to be erotic, no wonder they invented logic. < 1450051417 837244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45866&oldid=45865 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-19) 10/* Specification */ < 1450051420 497506 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *Sigh*. What did I do? < 1450051426 932900 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did google mistranslate? < 1450051467 158099 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45867&oldid=45866 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Specification */ < 1450051497 89754 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think that's new greek, according to wiktionary the ancient version is ἐρώτησις < 1450051511 316579 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no, i'm sure you just discovered a greek pun. < 1450051516 13202 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45868&oldid=45867 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-1) 10/* Specification */ < 1450051527 864262 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh. < 1450051532 613187 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it then? < 1450051548 168316 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45869&oldid=45868 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-1) 10/* Compiler */ < 1450051561 280778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Blo14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45870 5* 03Qpliu 5* (+10369) 10Created page with "The blo programming language is a stripped-down programming language largely based on Go. Types in blo are user defined structs, whose fields can be either a bit or a non-rec..." < 1450051564 842397 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45871&oldid=45869 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Compiler */ < 1450051576 594267 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is greek for question. which happens to start with erot- < 1450051599 462037 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45872&oldid=45826 5* 03Qpliu 5* (+10) 10/* B */ < 1450051675 981637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45873&oldid=45871 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-8) 10/* Specification */ < 1450051689 408167 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45874&oldid=45873 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-8) 10/* Compiler */ < 1450051735 783540 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah. < 1450051798 643336 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure ancient comedians used that all the time. < 1450051799 994328 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45875&oldid=45874 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+412) 10/* Compiler */ < 1450052291 220390 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is superelliptic geometry possible? <-- you might want to look up L^p metrics hth < 1450052307 287577 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *norms < 1450052343 452006 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that's any kind of analogous to hyperbolic geometry, though. < 1450052385 810645 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and square geometry is then either L^1 or L^\infty, dependent on which way you orientate the square. < 1450052398 742392 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wai < 1450052399 945444 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1450052405 340091 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not orientation. < 1450052418 578355 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :L^1 is also known as "taxicab geometry" < 1450052430 648015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I made a half-hearted attempt to find some of those files, but gave up when I reached the ~/archive/backup/older/colin/old/pc/_old/ directory. < 1450052442 875786 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OKAY < 1450052451 715758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even recall the punny acronym, except that I think the word "everything" was in it. < 1450052521 855967 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything standardize optimally < 1450052523 936143 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+d < 1450053093 90279 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hyperbolic geometry < 1450053095 167583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyperbolic Geometry is geometry that is exaggerated to the point of absurdity < 1450053115 198173 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/$/./' wisdom/hyperbolic\ geometry < 1450053119 509560 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450053841 950794 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : [wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Wms0-1p 5* 10New user account <-- that's a very weird username... < 1450053856 769256 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing in the abuse log though < 1450054408 847180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450054515 795333 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450054970 214306 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a dormant spambot... < 1450055118 552077 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas that's basically the plot of the campaign of AoM:TT < 1450055119 188438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1450055149 518866 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\_. < 1450055179 334723 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :今ボアリは < 1450055328 458190 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :元気ですか < 1450055599 208069 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :昨日眠らなかったから疲れた < 1450055697 819962 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, but PuTTY does not get the first 40 (yeah, 가 thru 갧, don't know why) hangul syllables < 1450055702 747604 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the real heck < 1450055745 349336 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. rp is a valid end cluster in Korean? < 1450055756 708730 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: shit happens. < 1450055797 283072 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was playing hyrule warriors all night < 1450055799 195518 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ㄿ? < 1450055804 707743 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's valid < 1450055876 275336 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be exact, it does NOT mean that it's pronounced /rp/ or similar < 1450055877 364824 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: try Pietty, it has hacks for CJK < 1450055952 800811 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ntu.csie.org/~piaip/pietty/ < 1450056013 115639 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: some investigation indicates the problem is not specific to PuTTY, notepad doesn't get *any* hangul syllables at all < 1450056024 651155 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1450056030 539426 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more like a metadata issue < 1450056058 197340 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any chinese charatcers work? 黒鼻龍 < 1450056076 419075 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it somehow gets the correct advance width but not glyphs < 1450056092 860089 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: there are some radicals (separately encoded) drawn, but in general, no < 1450056109 316840 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you have a font that has blank glyphs < 1450056129 666171 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they are "in" the font but have no lines < 1450056156 497668 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then that font is being fallen back to when you don't select a Korean font? < 1450056159 563325 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: so ㄿ exists. I guess it's pronounced closer to /lp/ or /l/? < 1450056222 363246 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: any final consonant besides from ㄱㄴㄷㄹㅁㅂㅇ is an orthographical notation < 1450056522 218733 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ㄿ is primarily pronounced as ㄹ, but it also gives ㅍ when followed by a vowel (i.e. initial ㅇ in the syllablic block) < 1450056739 873517 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450056753 19301 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450058555 530248 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450058779 4063 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450058808 584054 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450059650 834489 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, is HexChat assuming that all of those are U+0000? < 1450059659 262438 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because all I see are boxes with 4 0s < 1450059696 425604 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor had prior indicated to me elsewhere that Freetype does boxes with the codepoint in them < 1450059733 259192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :￿ < 1450059761 993461 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it shows that one differently. I guess it could look like FFFF (it's U+FFFF), but it's too small to see < 1450059983 909003 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450060404 456331 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450060420 619840 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450060451 715041 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CAPACITIVE CHICKEN < 1450060455 444202 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450060739 692974 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: every non-latin letter? < 1450060774 173728 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think every character the font doesn't support < 1450060775 961619 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :黒鼻龍 worked fine < 1450062029 345515 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1450062910 347665 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450063136 519429 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What data types should be available in PyDB? < 1450063158 818546 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beyond the obvious ones < 1450063166 196044 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450063278 572110 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Int, Float, Complex, Tuple, List, Date, Char, String) (Tuple, List, and Char have all the Haskellic relationships: String=[Char], Tuple is fixed-width non-homogenous wheras list is variable-width homogenous) < 1450063289 901282 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: You have been selected. < 1450063344 654944 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450063411 382788 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Function, perhaps? < 1450063418 503106 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, oerjan has been selected instead < 1450063514 763401 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :function from any type to any type < 1450063546 140871 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boolean! Yes! < 1450063551 524234 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: Yep, function < 1450063553 277287 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added that < 1450063561 41105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450063562 305801 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knew I was missing something obvious! < 1450064124 845521 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450064202 904675 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1450064306 439039 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450064387 611772 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450064422 854155 :mauris__!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450064423 26623 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450065133 675343 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450065801 616011 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1450065805 973592 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make my own little site < 1450065808 82844 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An esoteric site < 1450065815 999803 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A site about programming < 1450065835 412986 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A site about user interaction < 1450065839 867538 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe some machine learning < 1450065958 857215 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think... An Esoteric Emporium < 1450066345 283783 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Make sure it uses gopher and not http < 1450066363 977391 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Not THAT eso < 1450066370 899668 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I want it to be accessible, at least < 1450067093 453223 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450067829 662159 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450067856 693357 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450067895 520795 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450067896 266891 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1450067965 350057 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, crowdculator is up at http://206.174.0.58/crowdculator < 1450067974 960860 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's standard RPN < 1450067986 110045 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some adjustments I'm about to document into the webpage < 1450068333 625795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also to use both gopher and HTTP < 1450068362 614286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My own computer uses both, and a gopher server, as well as a gopher client, would not be so difficult to make.) < 1450068453 754354 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm using a python library specifically designed for HTTP, so I probably can't < 1450068459 61523 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there are APIs involved < 1450068476 529731 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Crowdculator calculates on the server because that way I can use PyBrain < 1450068544 929274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With gopher everything is calculated on the server, except for display which must be decided by the client; the server gives no CSS or HTML or anything like that < 1450068645 506724 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1450068674 741401 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But I still need Post requests or the like < 1450068693 537763 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't really want to /use/ gopher; the content of the site should be Eso-, not the way you access it < 1450068837 220842 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other eso projects to add... < 1450068839 249136 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1450068941 914682 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a stack-based language based exclusively on stack manipulation and introspection (e.g. no arithmetic or anything) would be good? < 1450068997 460057 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You call the successor function with i #, where i is the "push item" instruction and # is the "get length of stack" instruction < 1450069005 487608 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack inside stack inside stack inside stack inside... < 1450069017 31175 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once thought of a funge variant of that kind < 1450069049 958633 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, i wouldn't push an item < 1450069112 744034 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would push an item with no definite value, but that is distinctly different from any other value represented by a string of lowercase letters < 1450069293 534598 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a != b and a == a, but a isn't actually meaningful or concrete like True or 5 or "Hello World", which aren't available in this langauge < 1450069296 290236 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language < 1450069504 559506 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only part of the language with concrete values is an accumulator which stores a single byte, and that has to be set with $, which an abstract value called one, then pops 8 more values and builds a byte out of them based on the value equaling one meaning a 1 in the byte else meaning 0 < 1450069577 655855 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the only thing you can really do with the acc is oneset it (what I described above), input a byte to it, pull it down (reverse of onesetting), and output an ASCII character from it < 1450069615 311748 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1450069618 618053 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web Terminal? < 1450069638 829948 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Save that < 1450069642 498936 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For later < 1450070122 506973 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm adding a feature to the standard W'' interpreter < 1450070124 46066 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safemode < 1450070150 551296 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If turned on, it defers commands that aren't deemed "safe" to a secondary, non-evil version < 1450070157 445731 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's used for, for example, web content. < 1450070422 788779 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can just execute unfiltered programs coming in from clients on a server and not worry about being hacked < 1450070432 81171 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it blocks commands like open() < 1450070995 528110 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450071145 83744 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you could still lag my computer to kingdom come with 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** or the like < 1450071150 713474 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's better < 1450071466 331911 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450071801 256426 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1450072019 701533 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450072816 448564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have partially made a SQLite extension for using PCRE < 1450073310 310882 :interest1ng!~interest1@14.202.115.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450074135 525290 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :earenndil < 1450074381 619853 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made the hangul-generation and insertion-into-my-font fully automated < 1450074405 296853 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :Elronnd < 1450074413 343649 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450074425 768046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is the hangul-generation worked and how is formats of such thing? < 1450074628 630577 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450074901 882706 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a C program to generate a BDF fragment containing just the hangul glyphs, then a shell script inserts it into the BDF file of my font. < 1450074904 689940 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450075287 478502 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450075418 253834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1450075495 923358 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1450075663 253273 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone just try to open my docs? < 1450075670 544220 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I just got an error in the console < 1450075673 29610 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me try and fix it < 1450075711 211078 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be working fine on my end < 1450075744 686281 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :earenndil < 1450075758 101323 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did whoever-it-is-who-opened-it add .html to the end? Because that could've been the problem < 1450075785 490297 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, found the issue. They attempted to visit the homepage. < 1450075794 494827 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work yet. No homepage available < 1450075820 851112 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1450076676 961974 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1450076910 513601 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :Elronnd < 1450077420 9363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got REGEXP and PCRE_CONFIG to work already, and now I have also got PCRE_COMPILE to work, and then I will add PCRE_EXEC and possibly some other functions (possibly PCRE_QUOTE) and possibly a virtual table too < 1450077570 541088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: For what exactly? < 1450078220 89240 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450078328 453863 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450078446 328366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a SQLite extension I am making < 1450078626 448378 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450079913 20958 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gpicucomrlrdelza QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1450080404 567347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell me if you have other suggestions (or questions, comments, complaints) too < 1450080918 85404 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1450081340 307010 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1450081749 654053 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1450081856 509454 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450082160 448774 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450082608 689218 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450082742 657243 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450082925 351960 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450083023 670697 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450083110 642736 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1450083232 525322 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1450083243 511076 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a programming language where Classes can catch diseases? < 1450083642 724169 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450083745 367508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1450083773 603701 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling a diseised class will infect yours < 1450083796 76004 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse the infection, worse the undefined behavior < 1450085682 652229 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450085886 713673 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450085906 387261 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450085943 863796 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1450086053 363295 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450086131 459013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: I think in AoM the titans rise, but I don't recall Atlas being involved. < 1450087487 609022 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450087697 488832 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450087757 719484 :interest1ng!~interest1@14.202.115.22 QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1450088737 564154 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450091738 303644 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx43.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450092347 447100 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450092747 877295 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450093023 77543 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450093285 437392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is the http request header called "DNT"? < 1450093438 645375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, did you notice that cmd on win7 doesn't echo empty lines in batch files, unlike the original command.com of DOS? this is great change! < 1450093472 767247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you no longer have to @ all the empty lines just to avoid junk on the screen < 1450093523 908461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Do-Not-Track header. < 1450093564 595470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been assuming they abbreviated it to save bytes in HTTP headers. I've seen that sort of thing, and it's probably even a valid concern, given how many HTTP requests there are in total. < 1450093763 268175 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1450093932 977718 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450094146 333737 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450094290 627850 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450094293 687954 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1450094771 691894 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo off < 1450094772 31687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {ircMsgServer = "freenode", ircMsgLBName = "lambdabot", ircMsgPrefix = "mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.176", ircMsgCommand = "PRIVMSG", ircMsgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo off"]} target:#esoteric rest:"off" < 1450094781 461073 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that the first line of pretty much every batch file anyway? < 1450094867 955324 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah! < 1450094907 796260 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1450094936 698027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it then, because its value is 1 but I cleared it in the browser options < 1450095002 580683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1450095019 76853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably Firefox is just stupid and that header is useless. < 1450095027 497353 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, why is there a setting if it doesn't work? < 1450095250 826523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could check about:config for privacy.donottrackheader.*, apparently. < 1450095652 881959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Firefox here doesn't seem to be sending DNT. < 1450095795 898006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that one is set to false. < 1450095802 441081 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno then. < 1450095825 54917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's apparently also a thing that makes private browsing windows have do-not-track by default, in case that's applicable. < 1450095840 269636 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but this isn't a private browsing window either. < 1450095843 858729 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SARANWRAP CHICKEN < 1450095864 390620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it's just broken then. < 1450095868 771328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1450095881 450688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you've got an extension that's decided to be proactive about privacy. < 1450095947 55233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I should check extensions, yes. < 1450097186 147968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Connect error for create: closed" < 1450097192 434382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a very informative error message, thank you for that. < 1450097412 660053 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450098826 156964 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-246.rentec.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450099452 733188 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450099744 12807 :andrew__!~andrew@59.38.97.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450101795 934324 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450101904 333114 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450102035 680154 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450102791 903629 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-246.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450104666 412886 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450104679 33826 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx43.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450105021 898604 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450105208 177470 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/UNHdcwDT < 1450105221 203673 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found an esolang lurking around on my computer < 1450105234 759255 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a modified version of one I published in my old blog. < 1450105251 801653 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm too brain fogged right now to figure it out. < 1450106388 616669 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450106835 578592 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450106835 878653 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1450106836 51123 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450107095 891494 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450107535 540776 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-192-89.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450108130 343928 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450108522 923757 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1450108958 351388 :andrew__!~andrew@59.38.97.172 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450109450 285878 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450110024 43969 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jrjoxvldfmrjvbvf JOIN :#esoteric < 1450111349 898678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1015 < 1450111359 968287 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1015: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1450111439 562298 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? I can't access giantitp.com < 1450111466 784450 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1450111475 588429 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xen.firefly.nu/up/2015-12-14_174423.png is this just for me? < 1450111495 266543 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems fishy. < 1450111845 707744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.giantitp.com resolves to 68.168.102.183 here < 1450111940 254566 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1450112176 815293 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same here. < 1450112466 366090 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450113218 446977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysterious < 1450113524 703027 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in < 1450113922 342603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, transparant proxy or bogus route? (last few traceroute steps are 4.28.82.158 216.55.184.96 216.55.184.117 68.168.102.183 for me) < 1450113971 105585 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using traceroute -n to avoid nameserver lookups) < 1450114150 430119 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1450114171 873721 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the sudden desire to write Tax Law < 1450114207 698667 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has Tax Law anything to do with LaTex? < 1450114238 362936 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: I suppose I could write it in LaTeX < 1450114250 121495 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: But no, not usually, no. < 1450114330 277185 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1450114331 238755 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1450114335 469774 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/th/Th/ < 1450114344 259125 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just had similar Letters < 1450114925 750212 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx43.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450115524 267808 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, int-e: It seems to boil down to a browser bug with the browser not setting the Host header properly... but I have no idea why < 1450115528 471747 :MDream!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1450115739 156753 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450115963 315196 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: Wait, did you actually think Tax Law had anything to do with LaTeX? < 1450115966 6322 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450115976 568599 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed the T(e|a)X thing < 1450115977 904120 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, i am schizophrenic. < 1450115994 528513 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: Is that a no? < 1450115996 80226 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought maybe some one could have intended it as a Joke. < 1450116003 899515 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, a Maybe. < 1450116016 586696 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I just wasn't sure if you were, for example, a non-native english speaker < 1450116024 29160 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus might confuse them < 1450116126 241397 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now writing the Betan Taxation Act of 1920+16i < 1450116146 101764 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first Tax Law for the nation of Beta, Hedwig Notta's homeland < 1450116821 287816 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm tax-max < 1450116978 515068 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: sounds like a complex law < 1450117480 749406 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my conworlding senses are flaring up < 1450117483 558189 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they on point? < 1450117541 499642 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.176 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1450117605 622769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: there's a mirror on my website if you need one hth < 1450118045 923728 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx43.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450118113 767149 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx43.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450118832 621827 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450119079 319204 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1450119347 815125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450119513 470882 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jrjoxvldfmrjvbvf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1450120429 589315 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1450120558 365705 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1450121351 612457 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1450122037 690281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450123401 737707 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450123660 726466 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450124157 585189 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1450124318 435442 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman I suppose it is a constructed world < 1450124318 607714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1450124326 900411 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It probably will be. < 1450125632 667051 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450125765 566299 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org TOPIC #esoteric :The international hub for esoteric Tax Law design and deployment. | Effi's finest fluffy waffles | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/ < 1450125785 915422 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnier than KRF, which no one even knows what it means (ironically) < 1450126119 868846 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need some esoteric operators that can be used to represent any arithmetical expression in a completely different way < 1450126121 776694 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If possible < 1450126167 162167 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think \ is a good one (backslash operator) < 1450126393 338006 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x\y=x+1/y < 1450126394 107942 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1450126754 569097 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like languages like Python (those with the ** operator) to allow x, then n repeated *s, then y to be equal to H[n-1](x, y) < 1450126763 201098 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. x****y is pentation < 1450127085 941717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :>typo 10***4 < 1450127101 612500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :>whole program freezes and wolfs down memory < 1450127332 53358 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450127501 548633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45876&oldid=43065 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+422) 10introducing a foldername-agnostic variation of Folders currently in progress < 1450127585 617255 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/1512.03547 good news for eodermdrome interpreters! < 1450127706 728357 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450127760 481811 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450127874 18024 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pure folders14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45877 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+21) 10Folders 2.0 < 1450127892 347738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I don't think that implies a fast algorithm for subgraph isomorphism. < 1450128140 462920 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450128291 484411 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450128660 599637 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1450130239 542543 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450130556 128163 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.codeeval.com/open_challenges/61/ how is one supposed to solve this? < 1450131015 108646 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a W'' truth machine in 21 instructions < 1450131038 651649 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could probably be better, but it's the longest script ever written in W'' xD < 1450131076 541614 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it down to 18 < 1450131103 273348 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm counting code block delimiters ("[|" and "|]") as instructions < 1450131164 649753 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it doesn't yet work in the reference implementation; I'm yet to implement comparison instructions (or even technically put them in the spec xD) < 1450131233 691399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I assume you'll use the message + keyed_alphabet in the sample to figure out the "encryption", and then write a program to apply that. Given how all the digit groups have an even number of digits, and treating every two digits as a separate number all the numbers are from 01 to 25 and keyed_alphabet has a length of 26, I'd start with pairs of digits. < 1450131392 793317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With spaces mapping to spaces.) < 1450131524 155457 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/31388/how-would-facebook-sysadmins-prevent-the-summoning-of-cthulhu < 1450131723 932509 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450131740 852719 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i thought about that but i can't make some sense of the result < 1450131749 844416 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/some/much/ < 1450131755 230012 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :012222 1114142503 0313012513 03141418192102 0113 2419182119021713 06131715070119 < 1450131755 868866 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric : B J J G V V Q I I Y B Q Y I V V Z D F H B Y P D Z F D H U Y E Y U A C B D < 1450131829 199998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it might well have some other trivial transformation(s) applied. Also, there's ambiguity about whether the indices are zero-based. And they need not be just indices to the keyed_alphabet string, of course. < 1450131962 506039 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was 1 based. with 0, the first word is H K K < 1450132092 825509 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1450132094 369805 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Base S? < 1450132134 624227 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The digit at the end is unary, then the second digit from the end is binary, and indeed the nth digit from the end is written in base n. < 1450132143 397648 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What numbers can be described by this encoding? < 1450132316 466028 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had an idea for a worldbuilding excersise < 1450132324 568240 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTF do you spell that word!? < 1450132338 369271 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take a classic worldbuilding medevial world < 1450132350 330553 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: running your thing through a cryptrogram solver, i get ALL PEERS START SEEDING AT MIDNIGHT ?TH??AI < 1450132385 254414 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i chopped off the last word, then fed it to http://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/cryptogram-solver.php) < 1450132417 876985 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fast forward 1000 years (10th century->modern times) < 1450132425 679971 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And see what happened < 1450132519 810073 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, are orcs still a problem? Or did we figure out how to exploit them into manual labor? Or maybe it even turns out that orcs can be smart, smarter than most humans even, (on rare occasion), but it just-so-happens that these "sky orcs" (so named because their flesh is sky blue) were sacrificed at birth historically < 1450132531 896775 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did computers integrate with magic? < 1450132565 303535 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are healers paid a shitton of money (much more than doctors) to work in hospitals? < 1450132577 940168 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: i can't get that result? how did you solve it? < 1450132589 952268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By feeding it to that tool there? < 1450132598 809155 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do said healers need a degree in healing (so as to become "uber-healers") to do that? < 1450132605 867634 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but i tried and i get no result < 1450132616 68175 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :put BJJ GVVQI IYBQY IVVZDFH BY PDZFDHUY in the textbox. < 1450132694 835845 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's why you chopped off the last word < 1450132761 622479 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo < 1450132780 973820 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the keyed alphabet that codeeval is providing is completely pointless? < 1450132814 137021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it will be relevant for getting the proper substitution without having to guess. < 1450132822 767323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the tool provides four outputs and misses the last word. < 1450132835 895323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your solution must presumably provide one output and include all words. < 1450132851 982218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the tool is useful for is seeing the (very likely, given it's BitTorrent-sponsored) correct solution. < 1450132864 335742 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye a;; < 1450132865 803986 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all < 1450132871 933074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which might make it much easier to figure out how to get from the numbers via keyed_alphabet to the solution. < 1450132881 174841 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450133057 537230 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what it's worth, the mapping defined by < 1450133064 764774 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zip ['A'..'Z'] "BHISOECRTMGWYVALUZDNFJKPQX" < 1450133066 417035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [('A','B'),('B','H'),('C','I'),('D','S'),('E','O'),('F','E'),('G','C'),('H',... < 1450133081 680479 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be a derangement < 1450133107 186781 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is to say, it sends all of the letters in one big cycle < 1450133141 180720 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i solved it! < 1450133160 13503 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the final word is KTHXBAI. probably to prevent people from doing what i did :) < 1450133213 972300 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, i lied?? about the thing. never trust me) < 1450133434 76100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (catMaybes . map (flip lookup (zip "BHISOECRTMGWYVALUZDNFJKPQX" ['A'..'Z']) . (['A'..'Z'] !!))) $ map (map (read . take 2) . takeWhile (not . null) . iterate (drop 2)) . words $ "012222 1114142503 0313012513 03141418192102 0113 2419182119021713 06131715070119" < 1450133435 726674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["ALL","PEERS","START","SEEDING","AT","MIDNIGHT","KTHXBAI"] < 1450133483 157432 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: interpret the digit pairs as indices in the plain alphabet, but count from 00 = A. so 01 = B and 22 = W < 1450133504 957029 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450133513 519355 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: then apply the mapping defined by B -> A, H -> B, I -> C, S -> D... zipping keyed_alphabet with the actual alphabet. < 1450133518 960130 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I have a map f . map g in there. fun. < 1450134183 505277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords . map (map (snd . (sort (zip "BHISOECRTMGWYVALUZDNFJKPQX" ['A'..]) !!) . read . take 2) . takeWhile (not . null) . iterate (drop 2)) . words $ "012222 1114142503 0313012513 03141418192102 0113 2419182119021713 06131715070119" < 1450134185 217418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ALL PEERS START SEEDING AT MIDNIGHT KTHXBAI" < 1450134268 667400 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450134353 398302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it in Octave for some reason. < 1450134371 92232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/PJYS < 1450134387 722277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With manual grouping of the numbers, because Octave. < 1450134513 917935 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1450134581 63788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :More things should have sort that returns the indices. < 1450134705 239090 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1450134930 298296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the parsing wasn't actually too bad. < 1450134945 142595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> message = '012222 1114142503 0313012513 03141418192102 0113 2419182119021713 06131715070119'; < 1450134948 88322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> keyed_alphabet = 'BHISOECRTMGWYVALUZDNFJKPQX'; < 1450134948 689213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> strjoin(cellfun(@(m) alphabet(i(1+m)), cellfun(@(w) str2num(reshape(w,2,[])')', strsplit(message), 'UniformOutput', 0), 'UniformOutput', 0)) < 1450134952 45504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> [alphabet, i] = sort(keyed_alphabet); < 1450134954 634498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans = ALL PEERS START SEEDING AT MIDNIGHT KTHXBAI < 1450135027 291887 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1450135040 658834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never understood why UniformOutput defaults to true on *cellfun*. It makes some sense for arrayfun, but I think I've used it for cellfun approximately once. < 1450135051 188618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In MATLAB, everything's so fun.) < 1450135124 62214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, in retrospect that was probably a useless use of cellfun, I just splurged the two parts together without thinking. < 1450135166 553430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's obviously just the same as strjoin(cellfun(@(w) alphabet(i(1+str2num(reshape(w,2,[])')')), strsplit(message), 'UniformOutput', 0)) < 1450135328 578773 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, looks fun < 1450135363 734034 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450135628 651112 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450135682 935109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> ([' ' alphabet])(1+([0 i])(2+str2num(reshape(strrep(message,' ','-1'),2,[])')')) < 1450135686 61925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans = ALL PEERS START SEEDING AT MIDNIGHT KTHXBAI < 1450135688 161175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now with much less cellfun. < 1450135716 401459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that wouldn't work in MATLAB, because you can't subscript the result of an expression, only variables. < 1450136388 717806 :llue!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450136388 928267 :llue!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1450136388 928336 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450136389 100934 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450136389 685145 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450136395 633163 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450136406 621863 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450136608 993399 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I had an idea for a usable- nay, use/ful/- programming language based on the teachings of Eso. < 1450136618 337386 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on another, common programming language < 1450136702 713813 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/, common/ esoteric/ < 1450136710 621571 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fail x_x) < 1450136717 30515 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's based on Table < 1450136722 476870 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also Lisp < 1450136810 867780 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has cool introspective capabilities < 1450136837 42268 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other things. < 1450137835 929843 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx43.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450138568 858530 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450138693 36895 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx43.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450139450 51842 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450139558 916148 :adu!~ajr@50.153.184.228 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450140893 48680 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hadu < 1450141348 453359 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450141968 854126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45878&oldid=45875 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+3) 10/* Compiler */ < 1450141972 206918 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: ARE SURREAL NUMBERS A GAME TO YOU!? < 1450142051 491554 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450142123 307913 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1450142179 396048 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smashes his fist on the game board, sending pieces flying. < 1450142182 132449 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, where was I. < 1450142202 326711 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about a topological version control system. < 1450142264 991161 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a version control system such as git, you keep track of a bunch of revisions, all of which are states that your source tree can be in. < 1450142289 661598 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: But yours has revisions in locations? < 1450142302 690449 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't keep track of *how* things changed from one revision to the next; you just store a state, and then the following state, and call it good. < 1450142338 969742 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With my version control system, you can't just specify a starting state and an ending state; you also have to specify a topological path between them. < 1450142396 83383 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A point in the path could be a completely specified source tree, or it could be a *partially* specified source tree. < 1450142452 498781 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, perhaps "ACD" and "ACE" are possible source trees. "AC(unspecified)" is, obviously, not completely specified. < 1450142490 941016 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just write that as "AC*" for convenience. < 1450142531 829911 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn < 1450142540 807755 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Déjà-Vu < 1450142549 872049 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AC?" or "AC." is more correct < 1450142551 635292 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rule for the topology is the following. A set is open whenever, for every partially specified source-tree it contains, it also contains all "more completely specified" versions of it. < 1450142556 831432 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finished Munching, then i seriously need to go to Bed < 1450142573 626046 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: but "AC" and "ACEFSDALKJ" are valid fillings of it. < 1450142576 206119 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm, was a bit sleepy and had a bad joke, sorry) < 1450142596 214616 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No problem. < 1450142714 285469 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that quite sounds like Mercurial. < 1450142745 936670 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, a "path", in practice, is going to be a sequence of states, where two consecutive states differ by one of them being a more specified version of the other. < 1450142751 385113 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450142775 65888 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: it does? I've used Mercurial, and I don't remember it having anything like partially specified states. < 1450142802 741586 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that would be a difference (and actually I don't yet get the idea of partially specified tree) < 1450142826 275687 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's forget trees; let's say that this version control system only deals with single strings. < 1450142878 916967 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ACD" and "ACE" are valid strings. "AC*" isn't a valid string; it's a "partially specifed state", referring to any of various strings. < 1450142879 255903 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450142915 341773 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: still "AC" *is* a valid string, right? < 1450142950 500137 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1450142981 617408 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, the fun part? < 1450142985 952384 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have individual points or states. < 1450143012 335826 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We also have paths, which are composed of atomic changes that can be made. These are like edges in a graph. < 1450143017 125369 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we can take that further! < 1450143094 962903 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also things corresponding to faces, or 2-cells, and then there are also 3-cells, and... < 1450143102 517066 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let me summarize. < 1450143120 349954 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "0-cell" is just a state. AC* or BCE or whatever. < 1450143134 79287 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "1-cell", or path, explains "how to get from one state to another". < 1450143150 141469 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there are also "2-cells", which explain "how to get from one path to another". < 1450143173 458439 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might imagine that, for some reason, a single revision has two different histories behind it. < 1450143237 995000 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an initial revision, and a final revision, and two distinct ways of getting from the initial revision to the final revision. < 1450143328 403158 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might want to have some sort of explanation of how the two histories are equivalent. < 1450143449 321310 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I've gotta go to bed, so I can't explain further. < 1450143451 368573 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night, everyone. < 1450143524 445498 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450143720 635810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450145162 902227 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450145646 306402 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450145786 191756 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1450146875 346857 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1450147090 864294 :andrew_!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450147768 872608 :adu!~ajr@50.153.184.228 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450147780 398401 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adnuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu < 1450148405 178667 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ooh (list), our hero returns just in time to save the day and be obliterated for it < 1450148698 447204 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450148800 889974 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450149052 848087 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450150062 107553 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : HTF do you spell that word!? <-- exorcise hth < 1450150253 700273 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : And see what happened <-- obviously dwarfs developed mecha in the 1500s, then conquered the other races hth < 1450150871 715967 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like exercise but the second e is an o < 1450152347 994000 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450154018 730462 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450154253 992544 :TellsTogo!3ecd5fba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450154642 917420 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450155519 494639 :jaboja64!~jaboja@erv140.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450155735 17644 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx43.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450155986 358248 :jaboja64!~jaboja@erv140.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450224053 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1450224182 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: yopumpkin < 1450224203 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :allo :) < 1450224250 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's veteran affairs < 1450224256 0 :Mayu17!~canaima@186.167.249.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450224442 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :unusually warm right now < 1450224453 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the certification authority? < 1450224485 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KIAD < 1450224486 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KIAD 152352Z 32010KT 10SM FEW038 11/03 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP125 T01060033 10156 20106 53028 < 1450224494 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1450224512 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unusuall cold < 1450224514 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1450224525 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe usually cold for december, i don't know < 1450224535 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1450224535 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 152353Z 03010KT 10SM FEW220 13/M04 A3017 RMK AO2 SLP215 T01331044 10150 20106 53000 < 1450224570 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KORF < 1450224570 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KORF 152351Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 13/09 A2985 RMK AO2 SLP107 T01280094 10211 20128 51022 TSNO < 1450224571 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KRIC < 1450224572 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KRIC 152354Z 33004KT 10SM CLR 12/06 A2985 RMK AO2 SLP114 T01170061 10200 20117 51022 < 1450224581 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember where in the state you are < 1450224591 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1450224591 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 152350Z 24016KT 9999 -DZ SCT019 BKN026 04/01 Q1022 RMK WIND 670FT 24020G30KT < 1450224698 0 :Mayu17!~canaima@186.167.249.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1450224796 0 :Mayu171!~canaima@186.167.251.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450224817 0 :^^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450224857 0 :Mayu172!~canaima@186.167.244.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450224937 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido Mayu172 < 1450224938 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayu172: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.) < 1450224995 0 :Mayu17!~canaima@186.167.249.13 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450224997 0 :Mayu172!~canaima@186.167.244.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this chat is for what? < 1450225013 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming languages < 1450225035 0 :Mayu172!~canaima@186.167.244.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :j < 1450225062 0 :Mayu171!~canaima@186.167.251.189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450225211 0 :Mayu172!~canaima@186.167.244.18 PART #esoteric : < 1450225345 0 :\oren\_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ < 1450225346 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 160000Z 34012KT 15SM FEW020 BKN028 03/M01 A2994 RMK SC2SC4 SLP142 < 1450225372 0 :\oren\_!?@? NICK :\oren\ < 1450226195 0 :^^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450226202 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450227299 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1450227299 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 160050Z AUTO 20011KT 7000 -RA BKN007 OVC016 13/12 Q1014 BECMG BKN016 < 1450227306 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like nighttime. < 1450227312 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow it's supposed to be 16 degrees. < 1450227380 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the outdoor ads (for heaters, or insulation, or windows, or something like that) said something like "England is cold - deal with it", which was kind of ridiculous at least from a Finnish point of view. < 1450227384 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFHK < 1450227385 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 160050Z 26006KT 9999 FEW028 SCT200 00/M01 Q1021 NOSIG < 1450227485 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar YSSY < 1450227485 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :YSSY 160038Z 08020G30KT 9999 VCTS SCT016 BKN080 FEW030CB 20/18 Q1015 FM0200 06018KT 9999 -SHRA SCT015 BKN025 TEMPO 0038/0338 VRB25G40KT 3000 TSRA BKN010 SCT030CB < 1450227737 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/blob/ef50f1f/src/process.py#L1045 I feel hopeless. < 1450227793 0 :GoToTells!3ecd5fba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450227828 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: wow, that's an awfulbug < 1450227918 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it really is frustrating, it is completely independent of glyph composition and cmap format; the only relevant factor seems to be a glyph index (plus a script). < 1450227949 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uniscribe internally uses dozens of shaping engines, and some of them seems to have this problem < 1450227956 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450228035 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still hope (!) that I was wrong and my font had a problem, but the erratic behavior suggests that it isn't the case here < 1450228054 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. I wonder why I haven't seen it yet. well, I still haven't got thousands of hangul < 1450228067 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably work on that now < 1450228106 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: in the specific example, Hangul syllables started to map from glyph index 2008 thru 13179. only 40 glyphs from 2008 to 2047 had the problem. < 1450228122 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Effi's finest fluffy waffles? < 1450228145 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. well in my font those would prbably not end up being hangul. < 1450228207 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would fall into the range of weird mat symbols? < 1450228219 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/mat/math/ < 1450228225 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: did you draw a wrong symbol? :p < 1450228245 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1450228261 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<\oren\> Ah. well in my font those would prbably not end up being hangul." < 1450228263 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one < 1450228296 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I mean that those glyph indices would be math symbols < 1450228340 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, glyph indices are independent of characters < 1450228352 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cmap maps characters to glyph indices < 1450228378 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. and my cmap is mostly sorted by unicode point < 1450228437 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, then it may mean that you have only about 0x2000 characters before Hangul syllables < 1450229419 0 :zdm!~zdm@unaffiliated/zz-m00/x-7527900 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450229463 0 :zdm!~zdm@unaffiliated/zz-m00/x-7527900 PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 1.0.1" < 1450229914 0 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@46.165.222.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450230076 0 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@46.165.222.248 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450230119 0 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@46.165.222.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450230166 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450230196 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say, how many nostrils do you have? < 1450230267 0 :GoToTells!3ecd5fba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.186 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1450230519 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles the fungot < 1450230756 0 :ToGoTell!3ecd5fba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450230756 0 :ToGoTell!3ecd5fba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.186 QUIT :Client Quit < 1450230809 0 :ToTellGo!3ecd5fba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450230816 0 :ToTellGo!3ecd5fba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1450230832 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does fungot work? < 1450230832 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: because you can't have a secure, undisclosed location, to the existing facilities. nothing unnatural in that. < 1450230841 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450230848 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: thank you for the information. < 1450230848 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: the definition of standard ml," especially the part about identifiers only reads " the regular expression test with a few bugs fixed. < 1450230862 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthellorasiir. < 1450230872 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've expected that! < 1450230884 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bhelloily. < 1450230952 0 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@46.165.222.248 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450230990 0 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@46.165.222.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450231359 0 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1450231430 0 :ent0nces!~ent0nces@46.165.222.248 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450231468 0 :ent0nces_!~ent0nces@linux-stakaya1.xn--cdaan2d.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1450232177 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpecthellørjan! < 1450232181 0 :andrew__!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450232433 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :backscrohelly < 1450233344 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :børjanne nuit! good nigthrasiir! bfungonne nuitt! < 1450233349 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PERCOLATING CHICKEN < 1450233412 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he's used that adjective before. < 1450233841 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qcdqnkehlqfzfjon JOIN :#esoteric < 1450234242 0 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.200 QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1450234725 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@acvs138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450234843 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have all medials done < 1450234871 0 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com QUIT :Quit: . < 1450234896 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thus I can generate hangul from G-A to G-I-H < 1450234926 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@erv140.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450236758 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450238308 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@acvs138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450238341 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@acvs138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450238802 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450240705 0 :tjt263!~RAPSCA77I@unaffiliated/tjt263 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450241442 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450241705 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450241737 0 :ToTellGo!3ecd5fba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.186 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1450243215 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1450244575 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@acvs138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450245842 0 :Elronnd!?@? NICK :kerioisaboat < 1450245925 0 :kerioisaboat!?@? NICK :earenndil < 1450245944 0 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja QUIT :Quit: Let's jump! < 1450246041 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja JOIN :#esoteric < 1450246167 0 :Elronnd!?@? NICK :Elbereth < 1450246179 0 :Elbereth!?@? NICK :Ellbereth < 1450246202 0 :Ellbereth!?@? NICK :earenndil < 1450246852 0 :puckipedia!~puck@40.118.19.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450247137 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450247514 0 :earenndil!?@? NICK :Ellbereth < 1450248347 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450249290 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i say this girl genius comic makes higgs even more likely to be the "spymaster"... < 1450249312 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he and gil were the ones who witnessed it < 1450249367 0 :Ellbereth!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1450249436 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jenka said she had a message from the spymaster < 1450249453 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and higgs is _very_ well positioned to spy on gil... < 1450249463 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since gil thinks he's doing the opposite. < 1450249587 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe. he probably suspects, he saw through wooster after all. < 1450249711 0 :Ellbereth!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does this have to do with esoteric programming languages? < 1450249732 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing. < 1450249748 0 :Ellbereth!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why are you talking about it in #esoteric < 1450249796 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the comic is popular here < 1450249803 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450249818 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hadu! < 1450249822 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly no one else who read it seems to be awake... < 1450249826 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1450249833 0 :Ellbereth!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :which comic? < 1450249851 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see above < 1450249894 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php#.VnEKlcHKxjo < 1450249907 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...there's that stupid anchor again < 1450249931 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i got rid of it once by blocking something... < 1450250029 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit so many ad sites on this page < 1450250044 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comi.php#⚓ hth < 1450250056 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1450250072 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think you typoed something? < 1450250080 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1450250084 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was meant to be comic.php < 1450250100 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that it redirects to the anchor < 1450250116 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of some script running on it < 1450250181 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm half asleep < 1450250189 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reading about us tax law < 1450250431 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^metar ESSL < 1450250433 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSL < 1450250796 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1450250796 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 160720Z VRB01KT 9999 SCT070 BKN150 M02/M03 Q1030 TEMPO FM0800 -FZRA < 1450251240 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450251360 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lambdabot has metar now? < 1450252162 0 :Ellbereth!?@? NICK :earenndil < 1450252202 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now"? It's been like ages! < 1450252252 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 2014-08-10. < 1450252256 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1450252257 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 160720Z AUTO 22010KT 9999 BKN013 OVC024 13/11 Q1016 TEMPO SCT013 BKN024 < 1450252502 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1450252621 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/PSjY see how it shifts < 1450252644 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No calls to either pre-2013.) < 1450252897 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, if you manage to have a multiple of 256 conflicts in a merge, git would treat it as successful < 1450252923 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450252935 0 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :report it to git < 1450253057 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1450253298 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :earenndil: "Hey! Git! Get over here!" < 1450253307 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have something to report!" < 1450253330 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That tis a fail. < 1450253408 0 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :git=the git dcvs development team < 1450253623 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450255925 0 :earenndil!?@? NICK :Elronnd < 1450255939 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450256217 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450257406 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450257580 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-56-174.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450257601 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45889&oldid=45878 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Compiler */ < 1450257823 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450258112 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450258221 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45890&oldid=45889 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+64) 10/* Specification */ < 1450258304 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45891&oldid=45890 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-766) 10 < 1450258356 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45892&oldid=45891 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-107) 10/* Language specification and compiler */ < 1450258435 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, do you have a source or an interesting blog post about that? < 1450258598 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should have expected this. Savage Chickens has a Force Awakens week. < 1450258839 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450259685 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1450260776 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450262953 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you prefer St. Veteran Day to St. Arbor Day? < 1450262954 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if you differentiate something, use a point size if you run that through an antenna you make out of the soil, it's entirely fnord motivated. what if it doesn't < 1450262978 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is there an easier proof for that the boundary of a closed set in RR^n is a null set? < 1450262979 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's for chicken? :) that just makes you look like right to left. < 1450262996 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: dunno, Lebesgue's theorym seems a bit heavy for that. < 1450262996 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but the purpose for brainfuck's existance is an idiot filter :p i'm just awfully silly hash tables. that sort of thing < 1450263167 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The truth, revealed: fungot is actually just a set of awfully silly hash tables. < 1450263167 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: verry good. however, i've heard < 1450263568 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450263574 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnerd < 1450263581 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@mussiges-loud < 1450263581 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] said 1d 14h 41m 2s ago: I suppose it is a constructed world < 1450263618 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450265811 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450266490 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450266794 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450266797 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal/INTERCAL has excellent features for modular program for the enterprise market. < 1450266820 0 :andrew__!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450267346 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450267985 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ _1992+266*800*25 < 1450267986 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 5318008 < 1450268711 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that... no it can't be dc < 1450268807 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DIRECTIVE CHICKEN < 1450268908 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it's J < 1450268915 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ i 10 < 1450268915 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: |value error: i < 1450268915 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: | i 10 < 1450268921 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ i: 10 < 1450268922 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: _10 _9 _8 _7 _6 _5 _4 _3 _2 _1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 < 1450268931 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a long time since I've J'd < 1450268938 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was never any good at it < 1450269175 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450269176 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disflagrate/disflagrate v.t.perf.: a traditional technique from Poland (earliest attestation c. 1042) used to separate szoups. Nowadays, commercial production is entirely mechanized. < 1450269251 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? defenestrate < 1450269252 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defenestrate? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450269266 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? defenestration < 1450269267 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defenestration? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450269516 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? * < 1450269517 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450269537 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1450269544 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn */Twinkle, twinkle, little star! < 1450269547 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «*» < 1450271482 0 :tjt263!~RAPSCA77I@unaffiliated/tjt263 QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1450272594 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450273113 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450273923 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, ping < 1450274276 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1450274317 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb < 1450274334 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, what does arin.ga use for syntax highlighting? < 1450274393 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :something regex based i mostly copied from a stackoverflow post < 1450274469 0 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450274490 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1450274504 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't get /* */ comments, it seems < 1450274521 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does if they're in a single line < 1450274545 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1450274552 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://phoboslab.org/log/2007/08/generic-syntax-highlighting-with-regular-expressions <- this < 1450274575 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the website open source? < 1450274584 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's on github < 1450274650 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to make it work on multiple lines because i had to add some extra markup for something (to make the lines have different colors iirc) < 1450274660 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really remember it, it's old < 1450274749 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, that's lighter than I expected < 1450274808 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not ebay, it's a pastebin < 1450274824 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1450274829 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just find web scary < 1450274897 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe because I tend to overcomplicate things < 1450275046 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the "highlight" Debian package to do syntax highlighting for my "website". < 1450275066 0 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450275119 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why" "the" "quotes" < 1450275130 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because calling it a website makes it sound too much like a thing. < 1450275148 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, have you seen my website < 1450275188 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I bought then didn't do anything with < 1450275199 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://taneb.uk/ < 1450275223 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ < 1450275229 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/ < 1450275785 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a "blog" (same reason) with zem.fi, but I think I won't have any updates in 2015. < 1450275974 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: why is there nothing on your website < 1450275985 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, I couldn't think of anything to put on < 1450275990 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I've lost the ssh credentials < 1450276396 0 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1450276410 0 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450276702 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450276786 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Well it's more informative than my own website (unless you find a "deep link" somewhere ;) ) http://int-e.eu/ < 1450277302 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450278876 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450278930 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :bslsk06 < 1450278954 0 :bslsk06!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1450280051 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-20-43.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450280131 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1450281154 0 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1450281686 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's in your pockets? < 1450281687 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: or silly theorems that bill richter understands absolutely nothing written in that crap language scheme after all < 1450283073 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bill richter doesn't know scheme? < 1450283078 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: who's that guy? < 1450283078 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: gcc ( gcc) 3.3 20030304 ( apple computer, inc. < 1450283085 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1450283099 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450283175 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That's kind of old, how about switching to the GCC 5 series? < 1450283176 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they may be found.' < 1450283191 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yes, indeed, from the home page. < 1450283191 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but i'm running windows! windows! windows! windows! < 1450283222 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay then. < 1450283277 0 :tjt263!~RAPSCA77I@unaffiliated/tjt263 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450283474 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you can use mingw or cygwin < 1450283475 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can't have infinite calls that generate output." is an adjective. :p < 1450284036 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly? < 1450284044 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: orly? < 1450284044 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: is that natural? humans don't live off food and water only. we do not need fun!" < 1450284064 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do we need then? < 1450284064 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if that's what you're insinuating. < 1450284083 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just watched this video that demonstrates how some snake venom interacts with blood < 1450284103 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's gotta be very inconvenient if that stuff gets into your blood stream. < 1450284109 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It solidifies your blood within seconds. < 1450284308 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well pretty much all venom is going to be very inconvenient obviously < 1450284343 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either it destroys tissues, induces blood coagulation or freakier < 1450284461 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" A study carried out in 2009 injected scorpions with the venom of various Echis species. " < 1450284476 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science is really creepy < 1450284490 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey let's inject venom into some animals and look what happens" < 1450284785 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's see what this does to quadriplegic mice" < 1450284800 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally the author didn't mention what they did to them to make them quadriplegic) < 1450284853 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mromna: i assume that fungot isn't human, so the implication was that humans need fun but fungots do not < 1450284854 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that sounds better. so there is a more abstract api. < 1450285424 0 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.3 < 1450285604 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450285770 0 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1450286313 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qcdqnkehlqfzfjon QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1450286772 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.134 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1450287493 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-avnjcfdnzdggifpt QUIT :Excess Flood < 1450287537 0 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450287576 0 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qgmwmlmjcvjlmrdi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450288726 0 :hppavilion1!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1450289537 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PolyStack14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45893 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+4041) 10Started < 1450289545 0 :hppavilion1!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1450289612 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PolyStack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45894&oldid=45893 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+86) 10/* Builtin Types, Type Classes, etc. */ < 1450290106 0 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-108-97.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450290205 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-20-43.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450290304 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PolyStack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45895&oldid=45894 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1501) 10/* Commands */ Scalar Types < 1450290326 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PolyStack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45896&oldid=45895 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1) 10/* Syntax */ Fixed the program < 1450290464 0 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-108-97.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450290626 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PolyStack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45897&oldid=45896 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+565) 10/* Commands */ Assorted new commands < 1450291440 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450291601 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07JSON++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45898&oldid=45888 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+17) 10/* Syntax */ Nowiki < 1450291772 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450292709 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Chain14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45899 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+366) 10Created Page < 1450293625 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Seed14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45900&oldid=45686 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (-24) 10/* Writing programs */ fixed display of pre ('' would create italics before) < 1450294033 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450294109 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1450295885 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450296140 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450296411 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450296658 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450296681 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sorted my torrents by share ratio and the top ones are nsfw < 1450296717 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's a huge gap and most of the rest is at 0.1-0.5 < 1450296724 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does this mean? < 1450296771 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you managed to find something that's off topic for this channel? < 1450296778 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1450296830 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just an opinion, but it does seem rather far removed from our usual conversation) < 1450296883 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450296911 0 :Patashu!Patashu@27.253.115.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450296986 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just wondering if my porn tastes are way common or the rest of my interests is awkward < 1450297071 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something like esoteric porn? < 1450297106 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450297171 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1450297174 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, the esoteric thing here is that you torrent porn < 1450297190 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh no < 1450297200 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not eso < 1450297202 0 :Patashu!Patashu@27.253.115.204 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450297222 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gnqvtbaepqssiqbs JOIN :#esoteric < 1450297245 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450297247 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean those are the ones with the highest share ratio < 1450297263 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> not eso at all < 1450297285 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I would disagree < 1450297288 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also torrent books and they look far more esoteric < 1450297305 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say something that in mainstream is likely to give you a lower share ratio, because there's so many seeding it < 1450297320 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm joking) (the joke is "most people these days just watch HD video streams or whatever") < 1450297322 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good point < 1450297323 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that is obscure and esoteric is more likely to give you a high share ratio if you are one of very few seeders < 1450297355 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that's uh something I've observed with some uh music < 1450297378 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah "music" < 1450297458 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually video game soundtrack arrangements < 1450297514 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm listening to touhou right now < 1450297524 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that? < 1450297553 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :don < 1450297557 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1450297777 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually what I was thinking of was F-Zero X and Disgaea, but touhou arranges are also nice < 1450297787 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the former two are official CDs with arrangements though) < 1450297981 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though for touhou I usually just rely on online radio < 1450298755 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450298862 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/esolangs/comments/3wzjae/pixesoteric_a_2d_bitmap_based_befunge_style/ < 1450299219 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://everyfuckingwebsite.com/ < 1450299328 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/esolangs/comments/3gakuy/if_the_answer_is_church_integer_42_which_lambda/ ??? < 1450299484 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :helluva long post < 1450299522 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://noahstokes.com/ < 1450299532 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1450299637 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anybody posted a link for this 256 git commit thingie earlier this day? < 1450299679 0 :tjt263!~RAPSCA77I@unaffiliated/tjt263 QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1450299729 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I'll wait for a summary < 1450299969 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\n f x -> n f (n (n f) x)) (\f x -> f (f (f (f (f (f x)))))) succ 0 < 1450299971 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1450300242 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: who let fungot on reddit < 1450300243 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: how much do you pay, pitecus?. f) t) fnord redexes! < 1450300310 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when did fungot become greedy? < 1450300311 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and not, um,? for help. soon the lure of a small community of fnord geeks. < 1450300314 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1450300315 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1450300327 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :enron? < 1450300339 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :enron emails? < 1450300341 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style enron < 1450300342 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: enron (subset of the Enron email dataset) < 1450300380 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1450300381 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: not that we conclude the investigation the securities and exchange commission. < 1450300383 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tell us about bribery and racketeering < 1450300383 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: first and foremost you think......................tony mcconnell and me not to enpower. shanbhogue chapter in. < 1450300398 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't tell me what to think < 1450300398 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: we file the accounts that had a different that what you and beth will continue. 120,? you < 1450300428 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1450300428 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1450300431 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: got fun? < 1450300431 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ah ha! thats the one i got it right < 1450300439 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1450300703 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-85.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450301226 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450301457 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450302016 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick your favourite https://i.imgur.com/RTK89fX.png < 1450302178 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. the unreadable green on white text 3. the unreadable green on white text with higher contrast in the rest of the picture or 2 < 1450302842 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450302911 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the context of it? < 1450302917 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: please tell me there are other options < 1450302986 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: context https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-bash/2015-12/msg00116.html < 1450303042 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nope but i guess you can add a 4th option with a small hack on google docs < 1450303082 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the typeface for 'BASH' the best in #2 at least < 1450303091 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or weight, rather, I guess < 1450303117 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't like the use of green in the subtitle, so I guess #2 < 1450304012 0 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450304840 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1450304901 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks in vain for his all-seeing eyes < 1450305204 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok tunes is about 8 hours off UTC < 1450305287 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i _think_ it's only been gone for less than an hour. < 1450305291 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-mwudzgzxcumreizk QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450305568 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-108-97.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450305629 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-uonjxpqsvzuxvagi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450306113 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gnqvtbaepqssiqbs QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1450306325 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot: is there an easier proof for that the boundary of a closed set in RR^n is a null set? <-- um that's true in all topologies, and pretty trivial? < 1450306326 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why are you debugging gc, btw < 1450306333 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas fungot: is there an easier proof for that the boundary of a closed set in RR^n is a null set? <-- um that's true in all topologies, and pretty trivial? < 1450306333 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1450306334 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and then there's one huuto.net page. am i a her or a he? of course < 1450306402 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas erm wait, that's false, including in R^n. is RR^n something different? < 1450306403 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1450306702 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*fenes* < 1450306711 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/*fenes*: No such file or directory < 1450307125 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Defenestration is the traditional Czech system for voting out government officials. < 1450307127 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'defenestration': Defenestration is the traditional Czech system for voting out government officials. < 1450307173 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It seems like it would be false in most spaces. < 1450307191 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite likely. < 1450307207 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any hausdorff space with more than one point, at least. < 1450307217 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, no < 1450307255 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true in discrete spaces < 1450307255 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1450307279 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there all boundaries are null < 1450307322 0 :Lord_of_-!?@? NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1450307325 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qgmwmlmjcvjlmrdi QUIT :Changing host < 1450307325 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450307325 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host < 1450307325 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qgmwmlmjcvjlmrdi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450308952 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450308997 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-92.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450309031 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450309913 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450310025 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1450310054 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb clog < 1450310074 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kb clog < 1450310758 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450310918 0 :mihow_!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450311005 0 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450311006 0 :mihow_!?@? NICK :mihow < 1450311778 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lfdpcvhwnuixhnhq JOIN :#esoteric < 1450312381 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450313041 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450313042 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello/hello hello hello, what's all this then? < 1450313049 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : `wisdom < 1450313054 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : `wisdom < 1450313055 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf. < 1450313056 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`host google.com < 1450313057 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: host: not found < 1450313057 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1450313059 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450313061 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector space/A vector space is just a module over a field. < 1450313061 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450313062 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madness/madness lies thataway. < 1450313065 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping google.com < 1450313065 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1450313073 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`curl google.com < 1450313073 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to connect to socket 2. \ \ curl: (52) Empty reply from server < 1450313075 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1450313076 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D < 1450313082 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1450313083 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:-( \ 03(* \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ butwhatifichangesomething \ canary \ cat \ close \ *) \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ dog \ emoticons \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ ibin \ interps \ le \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1450313103 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kinda surprised that the Pascal comment is still there. < 1450313151 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily. straight into my top ten list of serendipitous one-letter misreadings goes http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/blogs/behind-the-scenes/2014/03/26/how-a-seaweed-scientist-helped-win-the-war?fromGateway=true < 1450313158 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat Complaints.mp3 < 1450313158 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaints file lacks file extension making it look like a directory. Which is confusing \ The above complaint looks like an error message, but it's actually a complaint \ now the former complaints make no sense because the complaints file was moved \ The complaints above are not using periods properly. < 1450313240 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: where is the rest of the list twh < 1450313330 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which list < 1450313342 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top ten list that you referred to in your previous line of irc < 1450313348 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1450313354 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDER CONSTRUCTION < 1450313383 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.textfiles.com/underconstruction/ < 1450313389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -i pascal wisdom/* < 1450313393 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ Binary file wisdom/reflection matches < 1450313406 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -i pascal quotes < 1450313407 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450313414 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT < 1450313424 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1450313500 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "All of the complaints are about the complaints file itself." >> Complaints.mp3 < 1450313502 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450313530 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's not how you file a complaint hth < 1450313540 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file bin/complain < 1450313541 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/complain: ASCII text < 1450313546 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain Some people don't use the right command for filing complaints. < 1450313548 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1450313548 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/complain < 1450313549 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print_args_or_input "$@" >> Complaints.mp3; echo Complaint filed. Thank you. < 1450313562 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run type print_args_or_input < 1450313563 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print_args_or_input is /hackenv/bin/print_args_or_input < 1450313567 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`type type < 1450313567 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: type: not found < 1450313581 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you file complaints with `file complaints twh < 1450313596 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1450313617 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/topic children each children each children < 1450313634 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1450313637 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all men in each men ♪ < 1450313656 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a quote from this expression I came up with. < 1450313669 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Quendle expression for getting all of Bob's great-grandchildren: < 1450313678 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People[name="Bob"].children each children each children < 1450313688 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this some of what happened when the logs were down < 1450313719 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an idea < 1450313743 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logs downed? < 1450313744 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A series of extremely focused and limited DSLs, all following a general pattern, to teach people about different facets of programming < 1450313751 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: *drowned < 1450313761 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's an interesting idea. < 1450313762 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone immersed the hard drive in water for too long < 1450313764 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nearly < 1450313773 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yay! < 1450313798 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can test out my new parsing software! < 1450313835 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing is fun! < 1450313839 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1450313855 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. to down: to be unavailable. to drown: to also be unavailable. < 1450313876 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: What should I call my project of parsers? < 1450313899 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... projarsers? parsect? < 1450313906 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1450313911 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: The DSL project < 1450313928 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For learning about different facets of programming, etc. < 1450313930 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask me. It took me, like, a couple of hours to figure out what to call my query language. < 1450313932 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@eru200.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450313940 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I told you guys about my query language? Let me give you an example query. < 1450313949 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You just have to choose 1 letter. That's all it takes. < 1450313953 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_QL < 1450313965 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswellott. did you call it languery? < 1450313969 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This query is for getting all of the great-grandchildren of the person named Bob. The language is called Quendle. < 1450313974 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People[name="Bob"].children each children each children < 1450313980 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Oh. You just sent that xD < 1450313993 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 15:54:37, my time < 1450314053 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your time is weird hth < 1450314062 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: tdnh < 1450314069 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdtooh. < 1450314124 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Très Douce Ton Oubliette Œuvrée d'Hippopotames? < 1450314135 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ... < 1450314136 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1450314188 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@acvs138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450314213 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: are you in... UTC? < 1450314231 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm in Alaska < 1450314240 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. Wrong direction. < 1450314255 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UTC would have been 23:54:37. < 1450314257 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're halfway between me and UTC? < 1450314264 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1450314268 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1450314282 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What types of languages do I have to add to my facets-of-programming thing? < 1450314284 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime tswett < 1450314285 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for tswett is Thu Dec 17 01:04:45 2015 < 1450314300 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I'm wrong again. < 1450314320 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're outside DST right now, so I'm in UTC-5, not UTC-4. < 1450314330 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, at least Markup, Stylesheet, Imperative, Functional, Logic, and Query < 1450314365 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoken < 1450314406 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450314439 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Probably not. < 1450314492 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that's why we're all speaking English, right? Because it's an esoteric spoken language, and hence on topic in here? < 1450314514 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, goodnight < 1450314519 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne tanuitb! < 1450314538 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be considered the esotericest conlang? < 1450314573 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably any of the artsy ones < 1450314703 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural languages, and regular programming languages exist to make *something* easier for *someone*. but "art" conlangs, like esolangs, exist just because they're neat < 1450314738 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yauris < 1450314758 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf~ < 1450314774 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ohh, Ithkuil is obviously the esotericest < 1450314791 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you don't know about it because then you get to learn about it < 1450314836 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both nominal and verbal formatives are inflected to one of the possible 3 stems, 3 patterns, 2 designations (formal or informal), 9 configurations, 4 affiliations, 4 perspectives, 6 extensions, 2 foci, 4 contexts, 2 essences, and 81 cases; formatives also can take on some of the 153 affixes, which are further qualified into one of 9 degrees. < 1450314857 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45901&oldid=45879 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+1917) 10/* Instructions */ add pure folders syntax < 1450314899 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsauris! < 1450314907 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45902&oldid=45901 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+1) 10/* Commands */ < 1450314910 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know about ithkuil :D < 1450314932 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever read http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/12/24/utopian-for-beginners ? < 1450314933 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: are there any secrets for constructing minimal acyclic DFAs? < 1450314943 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps we shoudl create LolCode 2 < 1450314955 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A TRUE esolang born from the failure that was LolCode < 1450314994 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Rottytooth 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:PureFolders HelloWorld.png10]]": Folders Hello World not using folder names < 1450315018 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think i can answer your question with a "yes" but that's only because i googled it :[ RIP the illusion that i am some kind of automata expert < 1450315036 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you found it via a quick google search then it's hardly a secret, is it < 1450315037 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: as long as there are diæresises in it, I'm fine ^^ < 1450315054 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue what that is < 1450315073 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: true < 1450315098 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45904&oldid=45902 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+35) 10/* Examples */ added second Hello World < 1450315110 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: didn't you teach people about automata? < 1450315129 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otoh: if there was a secret way and i knew it, i wouldn't tell you!!) < 1450315144 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45905&oldid=45904 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+5) 10/* Hello World */ fixed image < 1450315149 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'd keep the secret so it'd still be secret < 1450315170 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, not really; i helped out with some practical stuff and wrote a bunch of exam questions for the people actually teaching the course < 1450315191 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to figure out how to make an esoteric lolcode < 1450315207 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't venture far out of Hopcroft's book (and we never even finished it, boo) < 1450315207 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway how should i construct a minimal acyclic dfa < 1450315218 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is it really much better than a prefix tree anyway < 1450315229 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Rottytooth 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:PureFolders HelloWorld.png10]]": Folders Hello World not using folder names < 1450315233 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is there a radix tree version < 1450315247 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like reading this thingy carefully http://www.aclweb.org/anthology/J00-1002 is a popular solution < 1450315273 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45907&oldid=45905 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (-1) 10/* Instructions */ < 1450315274 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe people use "for ... rof" in pseudocode examples, oh my goddd < 1450315344 0 :tjt263!~RAPSCA77I@unaffiliated/tjt263 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450315356 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :func ... cnuf is a new one < 1450315388 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesss adorable < 1450315408 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for..end for is so much better < 1450315417 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when you can do for..end for if cond < 1450315441 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need this paper to end with its own title in reverse < 1450315464 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1450315473 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also here is a juicy secret: < 1450315499 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it < 1450315501 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this \usepackage{mathpazo} look so much more than the default latex look < 1450315503 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I see is a blank line < 1450315521 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1450315538 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see it nearly often enough!! computer modern is so boring and palatino is so readable ;_; < 1450315564 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume mathpazo is a variant of gazpacho < 1450315644 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a standard measure of how far off a DAG is from a tree? < 1450315662 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example if you turned the dag into a tree by duplicating a bunch of nodes, how many nodes would you need to add < 1450315683 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: stop being me. I always use \userpackage[sc]{mathpazo} (and \linespread{1.05}). < 1450315689 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rp/p/ < 1450315718 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: haha, excellent < 1450315777 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450315781 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :re the Wisdom PDF. it uses that, along with Vietnamese and Greek oddities. < 1450315784 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not picky about linespread. i do, however, dislike the \parindent style of marking paragraph starts, and end up replacing it with vertical spacing most of the time i make documents for myself, oops < 1450315830 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heretic. < 1450315853 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently that's a big "don't" in the world of, i dunno, writing papers in latex? but that's how everyone does it! and it's so easy on my eyes) < 1450315867 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(everyone as in. web pages) < 1450315892 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45908&oldid=45907 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+588) 10FoldersOS < 1450315900 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is totally heresy though < 1450315990 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :further latexpinions: \usepackage{cmbright} actually looks decent! there's something weirdly relaxing about sans-serif equations. and AMS Euler looks fffff horrible bad < 1450316051 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like, your typeset opinion, dude. < 1450316053 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/AMS_Euler_sample_math.svg/800px-AMS_Euler_sample_math.svg.png <--- look at that "i sin y", jeez < 1450316221 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's jarring. < 1450316237 0 :triggerwarning!~triggerwa@2601:681:500:165a:7d37:1f54:9a70:6b63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450316377 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome triggerwarning < 1450316379 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09triggerwarning: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06EFnet 13or 04DALnet.) < 1450316463 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Rottytooth 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:PureFolders HelloWorld.png10]]": Reverted to version as of 01:16, 17 December 2015 < 1450316633 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45910&oldid=45908 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+3) 10/* Hello World */ < 1450316653 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1450316656 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07odtizurcoin 08wolrcoin 09archwacoin 02arbabticlcoin 06camcoin 13musiancoin 04backcoin 07befuchcoin 08oafedouccoin 09fracticcoin 02boozlecoin 06purecoin 13um-32coin 04sortcoin 07revicoin 08concoin 09calcoin 021221coin 06dumbergineecoin 13thisccoin < 1450316670 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, nothing like a paragraphful of colours. < 1450316677 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good eedning < 1450316765 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\bonsoiren\. < 1450316778 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45911&oldid=45910 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+5) 10/* Hello World */ < 1450316791 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shacello < 1450316814 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maurhis < 1450316829 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : bholay < 1450316833 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: hmmm < 1450316846 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting, I can't decide if I like it though < 1450316890 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45912&oldid=45911 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (-7) 10/* Hello World */ < 1450316948 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fontwise, my go-to serif font is Linux Libertine < 1450316978 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the font used in the wisdom pdf is quite nice < 1450317035 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: I think I prefer spacing over indent to separate paragraphs too, but I've slowly grown used to indent < 1450317063 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e \[ < 1450317065 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault < 1450317084 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450317244 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1450317251 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dc < 1450317252 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc is short for "dump core". (try it out yourself: dc -e '[') < 1450317258 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a bug; it's a feature < 1450317260 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1450317261 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it segfault? < 1450317263 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :documented? < 1450317272 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not documented :P < 1450317293 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not officially documented as far as I know < 1450317321 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: [foo] pushes a string foo. I guess it tries to read outside the string < 1450317327 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc --version < 1450317328 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc (GNU bc 1.06.95) 1.3.95 \ \ Copyright 1994, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO \ warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, \ to the extent permitted by law. < 1450317427 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e \[$"\0"\]p < 1450317428 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\0 < 1450317434 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@eru200.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450317450 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: FirelloFly. fyi, it's Palatino hth. < 1450317467 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh probably < 1450317493 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i forgot how to get C quoates in bash < 1450317499 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: $'' < 1450317499 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :$'..' < 1450317506 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems that bash shallows \0 anywqy < 1450317507 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway* < 1450317520 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could make a C program and exec I guess < 1450317523 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be too much effort < 1450317529 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which c < 1450317530 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450317536 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1450317539 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, even after it passes through bash, dc probably won't accept that) < 1450317551 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e \[$'\0'\]p < 1450317552 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450317555 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea was to test that, lifthrasiir < 1450317565 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1450317572 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it didn't segfault < 1450317592 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e \[$'\0asdf'\]p < 1450317593 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if it's just fed [] because bash disregards the null.. < 1450317593 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450317596 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450317604 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo \[$'\0'\]p < 1450317605 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e \[$'asdf\0'\]p < 1450317605 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[]p < 1450317606 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdf < 1450317614 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm < 1450317614 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: well, I think `printf '[\0]p' | dc` would be correct < 1450317638 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf '[\0]p' | hexdump -C < 1450317639 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000 5b 00 5d 70 |[.]p| \ 00000004 < 1450317639 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1450317648 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good < 1450317650 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf '[\0]p' | dc < 1450317651 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. < 1450317654 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1450317663 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e \[$'\0'\]p < 1450317664 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf '[a\0b]p' | dc | hexdump -C < 1450317664 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450317665 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000 61 00 62 0a |a.b.| \ 00000004 < 1450317675 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e \[$'\0'\]p < 1450317676 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450317683 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e \[$'\0'\]p | xxd < 1450317684 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000: 0a . < 1450317694 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's more handy < 1450317696 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1450317700 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450317710 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently dc uses asciz internally < 1450317724 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e \[$'foo\0bar'\]p | xxd < 1450317725 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000: 666f 6f0a foo. < 1450317740 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :asciz? < 1450317751 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero-ended strings < 1450317761 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So regular C strings? < 1450317766 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1450317771 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense < 1450317781 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ?? < 1450317782 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\\\¯\\\\\\\(\\\°\\\_\\\o\\\)\\\/\\\¯\\\?\\\ \\\¯\\\\\\\(\\\°\\\_\\\o\\\)\\\/\\\¯ < 1450317792 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... useful? < 1450317907 0 :triggerwarning!~triggerwa@2601:681:500:165a:7d37:1f54:9a70:6b63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1450317913 0 :triggerwarning!~triggerwa@2601:681:500:165a:7d37:1f54:9a70:6b63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the welcomes < 1450317962 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ < 1450317963 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 170100Z 12011G17KT 15SM FEW021 BKN140 BKN250 05/03 A2979 RMK SC2AS3CI2 SLP095 < 1450317980 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESSB < 1450317981 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSB 170150Z AUTO 17003KT 9999 OVC012/// M01/M03 Q1018 < 1450318089 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? braid theory < 1450318090 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braid theory is the extremely twisted theory of braids. < 1450318094 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bride theory < 1450318095 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bride theory? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450318141 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bribe theory < 1450318142 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bribe theory? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450318168 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Bride theory is a theory involving headhunters who dress in yellow < 1450318170 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'bride': Bride theory is a theory involving headhunters who dress in yellow < 1450318178 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1450318186 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/bride < 1450318188 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450318210 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Bride theory/Bride theory is a theory involving a headhunter who dresses in yellow < 1450318213 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «bride theory» < 1450318217 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bride theory < 1450318218 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bride theory is a theory involving a headhunter who dresses in yellow < 1450318225 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mess that up, good < 1450318260 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/$/./' wisdom/'bride theory' < 1450318262 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450318317 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@eru200.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450318390 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I would like to report a misformatting in the 'category theory' entry in the pdf < 1450318470 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead! < 1450318479 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did I add you to the cocoonspirators? < 1450318509 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450318534 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, probably not < 1450318566 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-213-142-228.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450318579 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, maybe it isn't a misformatting < 1450318629 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a github account? < 1450318640 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is that 'In', 'The' etc are boldface even when they aren't part of the entry's name, but if it uses the description environment I guess it's tricky to do something about that < 1450318643 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 'FireyFly' < 1450318717 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you now have full commit access to the Thing. < 1450318738 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tricky, and some people in this fine chännel like to pose a challenge. < 1450318743 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks askew at oerjan < 1450318835 0 :GotToTell!3ecd5fba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450318858 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-213-142-228.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1450318859 0 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1450319066 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1450319123 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just point out that a few days after i finally got a github account, my computer's hard drive started breaking. this is clearly a bad omen telling that it's not good to press such issues hth < 1450319143 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellœrjan. that goes without saying. it's common sense. < 1450319188 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only gradually starting to trust the new one. it still occasionally makes clicking sounds when windows is doing stuff in the background. < 1450319231 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a lot of stuff < 1450319238 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ? catamorphism | sed 's/catamorphism/\x02&\x0F/' < 1450319243 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A catamorphism is when you recurse too greedily and too deep. < 1450319248 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good or bad idea? < 1450319270 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interesting idea. < 1450319293 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: close windows in the background. zenify your computer. the machine that does none, does all. < 1450319323 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i've sometimes done that. < 1450319386 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? holy water < 1450319387 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy water is water made by boiling the hell out of Spain. < 1450319393 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bottom < 1450319394 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottom? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450319395 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like to note that Hell is located in Norway, not Spain < 1450319442 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Bottom is where you might end up with a catamorphism, if not careful. There be balrogs. < 1450319444 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'bottom': Bottom is where you might end up with a catamorphism, if not careful. There be balrogs. < 1450319477 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Balrogs live at the bottom of the world. < 1450319480 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'balrog': Balrogs live at the bottom of the world. < 1450319496 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom/holy\ water < 1450319498 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan elliott boily < 1450319499 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not force them? < 1450319514 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many HP is a balrog worth? < 1450319522 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: just a few minutes east of here, in fact. < 1450319538 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/** < 1450319539 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/**: No such file or directory < 1450319542 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1450319543 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your famous evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. < 1450319586 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: clearly your approximate coördinates are 'hell', then < 1450319758 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1450319811 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's technically a different municipality. i don't think it even borders trondheim directly. < 1450319818 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in a < 1450319826 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450319840 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's a different county, but they're working to fix that. < 1450319910 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. -> I want a special casing in ? to randomize that word. < 1450319913 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lfdpcvhwnuixhnhq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1450319948 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` shuf -n 1 /usr/share/dict/words < 1450319949 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shuf: /usr/share/dict/words: No such file or directory < 1450319952 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1450319953 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's a noooooooooooooodl word? amoooooooooooooortized. < 1450319979 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a szoup word? amortisszed. < 1450319982 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that google doodle of beethoven in the search results looks rather hellish < 1450320018 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? arin < 1450320019 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450320030 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1450320030 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 170200Z 10006KT 15SM OVC023 01/M03 A3008 RMK SC8 SLP191 < 1450320046 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DELIVERATING CHICKEN < 1450320060 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn ARIN is the American Registry for Internet Numbers. Or a pastebin service; one of the two. < 1450320062 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'arin': ARIN is the American Registry for Internet Numbers. Or a pastebin service; one of the two. < 1450320112 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: um if you randomize it how can i then look it up when i forget it ;_; < 1450320113 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The intended reading might be the italian word for herring, but that doesn't prevent me from reading it as ARIN every time < 1450320125 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: easy, just put it in `? amortized instead < 1450320170 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly -----### < 1450320189 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only offer you solutions < 1450320198 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not my fault if you're not happy with them < 1450320215 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? swatter < 1450320216 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :swatter? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450320331 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn swatter/The swatter is a tool for punishment commonly found in #esoteric. < 1450320333 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «swatter» < 1450320378 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a kind of sweater? < 1450320382 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn swatter/The swatter is a tool for punishment commonly found in #esoteric. Not to be confused with the saucepan or mapoles. < 1450320385 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «swatter» < 1450320398 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think so < 1450320419 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although a sweater might also be a tool for punishment, especially if it's particularly warm outside < 1450320443 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or inside. < 1450320449 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1450320452 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly for not using `learn when appropriate. < 1450320462 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1450320474 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you might've meant outside the sweater. < 1450320484 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise it would take care of the article < 1450320492 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the < 1450320493 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure < 1450320515 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: `learn is practically a journalist. < 1450320515 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? thé < 1450320516 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thé? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450320546 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn thé is an oddly-spelled hot beverage popular in the Commonwealth. < 1450320548 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'thé': thé is an oddly-spelled hot beverage popular in the Commonwealth. < 1450320585 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1450320594 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/^t/T/ wisdom/thé < 1450320595 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1450320600 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/^t/T/' wisdom/thé < 1450320602 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450320734 0 :andrew_!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450320777 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450320811 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj < 1450320812 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan elliott boily < 1450321762 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1450321770 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj < 1450321771 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj is the reason why the USA don't use the metric system. < 1450321777 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1450321861 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas. < 1450321936 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hikhq < 1450322168 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450322170 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf < 1450322472 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450322990 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In JavaScript++, you do x===================y < 1450323075 0 :GotToTell!3ecd5fba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.95.186 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1450323187 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450324083 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: WALRUS MAAAAAAAAAAAAN < 1450324502 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( PIZZIFIED CHICKEN ) < 1450324751 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450325427 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1450326475 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Prolog, a single = is enough < 1450326584 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450327336 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450328944 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1450329190 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@eru200.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450329350 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450329625 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450329692 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450332536 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450333146 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450333389 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thought process today is greatly slowed down due to the lack of a lunch nap < 1450333404 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1450333828 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450336450 0 :triggerwarning!~triggerwa@2601:681:500:165a:7d37:1f54:9a70:6b63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450337783 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450338300 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450338846 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450340631 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1450341260 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-108-97.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450342341 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-grlopyaenmqqyopy QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450342536 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aedtyntubcdkgsup JOIN :#esoteric < 1450342869 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450343348 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aedtyntubcdkgsup QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450343657 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450343665 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 1*1 < 1450343666 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1*1? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450343673 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn 1*1 is two. < 1450343675 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '1*1': 1*1 is two. < 1450343923 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose that sqrt(2) doesn't even exist anyway < 1450343948 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The greeks have known that for centuries now! < 1450343958 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we're still told it's something around 1.4... < 1450344186 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's your point on terryology? < 1450344186 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: besides emacs? :) ( but dont' take my word for it < 1450344192 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: besides emacs, yes < 1450344193 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: foo bar." < 1450344200 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop the emacs fetishism < 1450344206 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? emacs < 1450344207 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs is the weird brother of nano. < 1450344313 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vim < 1450344314 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450344450 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vi < 1450344451 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi is in a relationship with emacs. < 1450344954 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nano < 1450344955 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nano is vi's sister. < 1450345009 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn vim equals to approximately ccxxxviin. < 1450345011 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'vim': vim equals to approximately ccxxxviin. < 1450345040 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately? < 1450345056 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to write fractions in roman numerals < 1450345141 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with dots < 1450345144 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1450345149 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had these 1/12 system? < 1450345175 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1450345225 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1450345244 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S* is 1/2 < 1450345253 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or no < 1450345254 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just S < 1450345256 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1450345291 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1/72 sextula, sextulae (1/6 of an uncia), represented by a reversed S (𐆓)." < 1450345415 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have just used the hexadecimal system < 1450345419 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: RR means blackboard black R in ascii notation, as in the set of reals < 1450345424 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and why is it false? < 1450345495 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ceuzqrhtsyncugaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1450345765 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1450347080 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: because e.g. the boundary of a circle is itself. < 1450347096 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was taking a nap < 1450347127 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even a single point < 1450347184 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(inspired by lifthrasiir way above) < 1450347302 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversed s? that's a G with a horn! < 1450347315 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ɠ < 1450347316 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0193 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER G WITH HOOK] < 1450347369 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, no codulogs? < 1450347410 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no Gregor either < 1450347482 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's my terminal again with the supernal plane characters < 1450347522 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: basically any closed set with empty interior is its own boundary. < 1450347616 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Oh, I completely misinterpreted your comment, took it to mean "a G with a horn could be used as an inverted S". < 1450347655 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's *kind* of true, in the sense that the shape is something a little bit like that, but not really. < 1450347672 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but those sets are also null sets, due to this result, are they not? < 1450347693 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i told you, a single point in R^n is such a set. < 1450347726 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is a circle, and any sane curve... < 1450347754 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the boundary of a single point in R^n (for n >= 1) is itself, and it's a null set in the n dimensional Lebesgue-measure sense. < 1450347760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1450347765 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n is a positive integer) < 1450347776 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as null = empty. < 1450347790 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still false though: any non-null cantor set. < 1450347815 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um, more precisely? which of those has a non-null boundary? < 1450347829 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they are also their own boundary. < 1450347855 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, but which Cantor set in particular? < 1450347863 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's too many of them called that < 1450347955 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where you remove a middle part of a line, then a middle part of each of the remainders, then a middle part of each remainder of _those_ etc. the trick is that if you make the fraction you remove shrink fast enough the result won't have measure 0. < 1450347971 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of an interval < 1450347987 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but if you do that, then won't the boundary be smaller? < 1450348000 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1450348001 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1450348069 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(calculus is hard) < 1450348077 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be right actually. thanks. < 1450348132 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith%E2%80%93Volterra%E2%80%93Cantor_set < 1450348154 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you might be right actually" -- heady praise indeed. < 1450348198 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well these kind of sets _were_ central to my phd, so i ought to know. < 1450348337 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This makes the Smith–Volterra–Cantor set an example of a closed set whose boundary has positive Lebesgue measure." < 1450348351 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'd say the evidence is pretty strong. < 1450348355 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that set must be all boundary. < 1450348378 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's closed too. < 1450348481 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that article has several comments directly relevant to your question. < 1450348540 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm cygwin terminal doesn't have the problem < 1450348718 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denjoy%E2%80%93Riesz_theorem < 1450348747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can in fact make an example that is a simple closed curve. < 1450348824 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osgood_curve < 1450348836 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has a nice picture < 1450349089 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ^ < 1450349704 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that was added only 4 days ago < 1450349740 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :david eppstein is the shit < 1450350820 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the guy from Eppstein-Bar? < 1450350933 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but (a) that curve thing would be a bit going over the top, and (b) is it even closed in the plane? < 1450351120 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the apropos of why this discussion is started is that someone brought up one of those calculus exercises where the statement sounds very simple and elementary, but suggested using more powerful calculus tools to solve it. < 1450351160 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It led a bit far because I tried to understand it and find a proof on my own, but I'm not too good at calculus so I failed so far. < 1450351180 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: pretty sure the curve thing will be closed if the removed wedges are open < 1450351247 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: no that would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_A._Epstein < 1450351267 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you remove wedges, then it will be closed, but in that case it might be bigger than the curve's image < 1450351278 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that can be fine for what I asked, mind you, but then I won't call it a curve < 1450351343 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it will, i think the way the set is constructed every point in it gets a curve parameter by simply reading out a binary expansion < 1450351355 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the curve is exactly the set < 1450351415 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pretty clear that the triangles converge down to points < 1450351417 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's possible, but I don't say I see it, and you have to be careful with the construction if you want all that stuff. < 1450351502 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so every triangle is dissected to two parts that touch in only one point, and are far everywhere else? < 1450351525 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the fact that the triangle diameters go to 0 is all you need to show that the curve = everything. < 1450351554 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that sounds plausible. < 1450352367 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450352455 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily < 1450352994 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. < 1450353009 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ < 1450353010 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 171100Z 15004KT 15SM FEW060 SCT095 06/05 A2967 RMK SC1AC3 SLP054 < 1450353014 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1450353014 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 171137Z 36005KT 15SM BKN110 BKN240 01/M00 A2985 RMK AC7CI1 CI TR SLP110 < 1450353048 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if we'll get snow before the end of the year. < 1450353068 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ceuzqrhtsyncugaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450353316 0 :andrew_!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450353353 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sgzbelhitkunpeyc JOIN :#esoteric < 1450353392 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450354366 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sgzbelhitkunpeyc QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450354501 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: HYPERGEOMETRIC CHICKEN < 1450354526 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: NORMAL RAPTOR < 1450354541 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450354994 0 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pacgdtscdrhebfaw JOIN :#esoteric < 1450356235 0 :fizzie!?@? 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Taneb invented it. < 1450394614 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450394615 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden/Sweden is the suburb capital of Norway. It's where all the Nobel prizes are announced, except the Math Prize. < 1450394633 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? norway < 1450394634 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway is the suburb capital of Sweden. It's where the Nobel Peace Prize is announced. < 1450394653 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? märket < 1450394654 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :märket? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450394672 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a highly contested island < 1450394759 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that märket not only contains a country border, but also a county border on the Swedish side? < 1450394783 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought it was just market with ümläüts < 1450394792 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nein < 1450394805 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, when boily said it, not when you said it < 1450394896 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FirelloFly, hellolsner. < 1450394927 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the county border is a little bit preposterous. < 1450395475 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the island was inhabited, they could've been competing for county tax < 1450395493 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a county tax? < 1450395506 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tax that applies to residents within a county < 1450395547 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost all the tax is county tax actually, until you make a "lot" of money and qualify for state tax < 1450395577 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It's a tax that involves counting. < 1450395628 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thwacks shachaf "one, ha ha ha"; thwack "two, ha ha ha" < 1450395863 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1450395899 0 :tjt263!~RAPSCA77I@unaffiliated/tjt263 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450396413 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :guten abend, minna < 1450396506 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1450396517 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion[1] < 1450396557 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn I lost my joke < 1450396608 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen it < 1450396617 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :具点亜便、皆 < 1450396642 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1450396863 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint- read phonetically < 1450396954 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-79.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450397051 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. 夜露死苦。 < 1450397170 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it worked better once i convinced google translate it wasn't chinese < 1450397271 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for boily's, no clue. < 1450397387 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :よろしく should work. < 1450397389 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-uonjxpqsvzuxvagi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450397434 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vlwietyknxsgnjmu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450397441 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450397479 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1450397516 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1450397529 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome mad < 1450397530 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02mad: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13EFnet 04or 07DALnet.) < 1450397558 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1450397570 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The international hub for esoteric pun design and deployment. | Effi's finest fluffy waffles | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/ < 1450397588 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :better keep the topic on topic < 1450397630 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pun < 1450397631 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pun? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450397635 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of language would you end up with if you did something like C++, but with absolutely no aliasing or side effects < 1450397653 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. < 1450397657 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'pun': Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. < 1450397707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION defers to the people who actually know C++ < 1450397742 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. < 1450397744 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'pun': Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. < 1450397758 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1450397764 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now < 1450397767 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` xxd wisdom/pun < 1450397768 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000: 5075 6e73 2061 7265 2066 756e 2e20 4173 Puns are fun. As \ 0000010: 6b20 7368 6163 680f 6166 2061 626f 7574 k shach.af about \ 0000020: 2074 6865 6d2e 0a them.. < 1450397777 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just applying some anti-ping < 1450397779 0 :puck1pedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450397805 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450397811 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to use the version that doesn't f* up your terminal < 1450397831 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1450397832 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450397836 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? madness < 1450397836 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madness lies thataway. < 1450397851 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. I thought everyone here is mad. only mad is mad, and I'm a sane man. < 1450397852 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i removed the mad entry. it was getting depressingly accurate. < 1450397854 0 :puck1pedia!?@? NICK :puckipedia < 1450397857 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1450397864 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for boily, of course. < 1450397871 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwah ah. < 1450397899 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: unaliased, no side effects C++ sounds like Rust. < 1450397923 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does rust have references < 1450397925 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you count mutation as side effects? *MWAHAHAHA* < 1450397971 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know much about rust but the one thing i know is it has weird kinds of references < 1450398005 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uxczcvuiltdgemfo JOIN :#esoteric < 1450398017 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, some people have "no side effects" for high-level execution kinds of goals < 1450398020 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mutation is a side effect only if it effects my sides hth < 1450398033 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like using late evaluation functional programming < 1450398034 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, where's kmc when you need him? < 1450398045 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not what I'm talking about < 1450398061 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about "no side effects" for _performance_ reasons < 1450398088 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can make everything SIMD because pointer aliasing cannot happen at all ever < 1450398096 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do on-the-fly multithreading < 1450398105 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i haven't seen kmc here for years... < 1450398116 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Alice < 1450398117 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alice doesn't want to go among mad people. < 1450398123 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he got too mad, then left < 1450398141 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that note, where did Bike go? < 1450398156 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it means references can only ever exist on the stack < 1450398176 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else requires either a deep copy, or something like copy-on-write < 1450398180 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: a recurrent mystery, with disquieting hints as to his whereabouts :( < 1450398197 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka Bike still shows up with /whois < 1450398203 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all do < 1450398254 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe leaving this channel is a prerequisite to doing something productive < 1450398286 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that would explain my life tdnh < 1450398310 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> const "what is this functional programming you're talking about" (1 `div` 0) < 1450398312 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "what is this functional programming you're talking about" < 1450398358 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been on a marathon of std:: / STL containers recently < 1450398369 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of implementing text to phoneme < 1450398485 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :open source C coders with an aversion to C++ would twitch if they saw my code < 1450398506 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for "on-the-fly multithreading", even the haskell people cannot really make that work - even with a language with no mutation, it is still too hard for a computer to guess when splitting up work in parallel is worth it. < 1450398517 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you always need programmer hints. < 1450398562 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1450398573 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450398580 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something tells me haskell isn't too suitable for this, too < 1450398582 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can always do so _safely_, but not _efficiently_. < 1450398589 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I wouldn't really know < 1450398594 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1450398606 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Haskell isn't suitable for what? < 1450398617 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the fly being split into threads < 1450398620 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1450398623 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is Always Suitable (TM) < 1450398638 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is very good at splitting into threads when you hint properly. < 1450398677 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1450398686 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a program that is written in multiple languages called? < 1450398690 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a polyglot < 1450398704 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely a polyglot. < 1450398710 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program that itself is written with different files in different languages that somehow communicated < 1450398715 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1450398716 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ted/te/ < 1450398732 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks "chimera" but that just popped into his head < 1450398758 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's called "a hedgewars" < 1450398786 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I checked Hedgewars was written in five or six languages < 1450398787 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if I have a browser in Node and a parser for a new browser-based language in Python, and the Node browser writes the script-to-be-parsed into a file then calls the parser which parses and then serializes its output to JSON, which /it/ then writes to a file < 1450398800 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the JS script loads up the JSON and executes it < 1450398809 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least C++, Haskell, Lua, Pascal < 1450398834 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is something I'm actively doing. Like, what I just described. A new language for browsers (one that'll never really be used) that gets parsed in python. < 1450398874 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I might use an internal server (with Thoonk, perhaps) instead of a file < 1450398929 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, I might just transcribe the Node into python. That could work too. < 1450398971 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the slowest possible language < 1450399003 0 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming purely using rocks. < 1450399012 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: NotAScript: Accepts the empty file exclusively. Does not ever terminate, or do anything at all < 1450399027 0 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps programming using turtles. < 1450399037 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, slowest that actually runs and eventually must terminate < 1450399037 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a python interpreter: < 1450399040 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :input() < 1450399041 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :while True: pass < 1450399067 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: So not TC I assume? < 1450399085 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is trying to make a fast implementation of minsky machines. moral: languages aren't slow, implementations are. < 1450399105 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you could always define a language as taking one second longer between lines than the slowest language, ad infinitum < 1450399107 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :must terminate for programs that terminate < 1450399111 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so slowest TC < 1450399112 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it taking him a long time to make it? < 1450399129 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: < 1450399134 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because that sounds like a slow implementation indeed < 1450399134 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gently bruises shachaf with the swatter -----### < 1450399142 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if argv[0] == '': while True: pass < 1450399148 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :else: pass < 1450399157 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(might have to reformat to make it work) < 1450399170 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All programs except the empty file terminate. < 1450399180 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The empty file runs forever doing nothing. < 1450399209 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make it take arbitrarily long to execute any program that terminates < 1450399217 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose one of the esolangs where instructions only work at specific times would be intrinsically slow. < 1450399220 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Averaging the speed, you either get "it takes nearly 0 time for any given program" or "it takes forever to execute any file", depending on how you "average" with infinities < 1450399238 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sort of like latitude or whatever it's called? < 1450399245 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't remember any names, or indeed if there is more than one < 1450399253 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : hm < 1450399258 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But timeier? < 1450399265 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450399277 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you specify the output of any program to be prefixed by the first N digits of some expensive-to-compute irrational number? < 1450399296 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Then again, one can argue that "takes 10000 years between lines" is still fast, since that's an implementation thing < 1450399316 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450399359 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So speed of a programming language isn't really dependent on time to execute on a computer (indeed, a supercomputer does it faster than a desktop), it's more based on steps-to-complete < 1450399375 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then your question is valid again < 1450399387 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of this: all variables have a random value at start, and the only operation is to do comparatives on those random values and restart if they don't match < 1450399396 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it wasn't specified whether we were talking about asymptotic or concrete time < 1450399399 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically every sort would be a bogosort < 1450399414 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every algorithm would be O(N!) < 1450399426 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bogosort is just factorial though < 1450399433 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are artificial sort algorithms that are a lot slower < 1450399437 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least one < 1450399445 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until we can remember that we can define "x" as a nop that takes one step and require that there be an arbitary number of "x"s between each instruction to even be syntactically valid < 1450399460 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :def nopscript(prog, nopiness): < 1450399466 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll pastebin it, actually < 1450399897 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: http://pastebin.com/faBnE9qg < 1450399915 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Untested, probably works < 1450399941 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, there's a bogobogosort < 1450399950 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming unbounded integers, allows any nopscript-family language to be evaluated. < 1450399961 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And raises an AssertionError if you fail to Nop it properly < 1450400010 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Yes. Yes there is. < 1450400052 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: There's also Quantum Bogosort < 1450400083 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Destroys the universe if the list isn't sorted on the first try. Only universes that survive (and thus can be observed) continue < 1450400223 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google uses quantum sort to create search results. < 1450400227 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: not predicted to work on actual quantum computers < 1450400289 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, they effectively commit omnicide so they can get you your porn quickly; but hey, that's google for you. < 1450400354 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer slow porn, withouth nudity, only two persons (I'm open to guy/guy, gal/gal, guy/gal and gal/guy), silent, lots of thinking, no contact, and a chess board between them. < 1450401382 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i was going to quibble, but https://www.reddit.com/r/chessporn < 1450401439 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooh... you're making me blush! < 1450401523 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to visit before deciding to blush hth < 1450401577 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like most *porn subreddits, it's SFW) < 1450401688 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1450401698 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I visited, and I'm already subscribed to other SFW porn subs. < 1450401713 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mainly /r/mapporn. great content!) < 1450401769 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1450402697 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450402866 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^hellov < 1450402957 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450403018 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450403019 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pipe/This is not a pipe. < 1450403186 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ℞ < 1450403187 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+211E PRESCRIPTION TAKE] < 1450403194 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Prescription take"? < 1450403206 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@ery254.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450403980 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450403996 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_prescription hth < 1450404029 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have that character! < 1450404061 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Literally, the Latin word recipe means simply "Take...." and medieval prescriptions invariably began with the command to "take" certain materials and compound them in specified ways." < 1450404069 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Characterous \oren\ the Fontmaker. < 1450404172 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450404283 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: could you adjust the strokewidth on 灯 please? < 1450404318 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I believe the short diagonal stroke on 斥 should be lower, and extend both ways across the vertical stroke. < 1450404556 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450404596 0 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450404969 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450405046 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 了解 < 1450405246 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :がんばって! < 1450405295 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BOXED CHICKEN < 1450405622 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHICKEN CRUELTY < 1450405655 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery254.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450406405 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450406506 0 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450406680 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450406823 0 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450407308 0 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1450407523 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` u8tbl 0x2180 0x2188 < 1450407524 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ↀↁↂↃↄↅↆↇↈ < 1450407528 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1450407565 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid terminal doesn't support recent unicode < 1450407686 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait maybe my font hasn't reloaded < 1450407738 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of characters that really should take up two cells only take up one < 1450407782 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you get when you put together kanji and latin in one character set < 1450407809 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they ain't made to fit < 1450407881 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kanji usually take up two cells in my experience < 1450407884 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is not the issue < 1450407950 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean for example ↀ takes up one cell, but is as wide as two < 1450407957 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it ends up overlapping with the next character < 1450407978 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same thing happens with all the emoji characters < 1450407978 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :displaying unicode on a terminal seems like asking for trouble if you ask me < 1450407996 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of display was never meant for this < 1450408018 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :がんばって! doesn't show the problem, all the characters take two cells as expected < 1450408056 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, terminal is more or less an emulation of text mode < 1450408094 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which by hardware has always been limited to 256 characters (512 with a special mode that interferes with colors) < 1450408121 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 8 or 9 pixels wide < 1450408154 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like combinating accents make no sense on a terminal < 1450408192 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it by deleting the font from my system and then reintalling it < 1450408196 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the east quite a lot of hardware used 16-bit encodings for the terminals < 1450408206 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what < 1450408233 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hw I'm aware of is the pc-98 and that basically uses 1bpp 640x400 rather than text mode < 1450408247 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450408270 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno for other stuff like fm towns or x68000 < 1450408308 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimg.org/image/mlhnbarpz/ < 1450408366 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on whether you treat terminal as "actually emulating an old-school terminal" (like, in the usual sennse of an emulator) or take a more lax perspective where the terminal is just a tool that provides a text-based interface of sorts < 1450408368 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the characters that weren't displaying properly were obscure roman numerals < 1450408371 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Ah, maybe my problem is then that the characters are coming from a non-monospace font < 1450408435 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefly : you'd have to basically decide for each unicode character if it's combinating, 1-space or 2-space < 1450408463 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then your color attributes don't line up anymore and your text line doesn't have 80 chars anymore < 1450408476 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: good thing Unicode already specifies which characters are combining < 1450408496 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-space and 2-space isn't strictly specified, but people have tried to work that out regardless < 1450408499 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically each line becomes a std::string rather than a char[80] < 1450408502 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, in some cases it's psecified) < 1450408510 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no limit to how long a line can be < 1450408511 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's not a buffer of bytes < 1450408532 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say a std::string < 1450408544 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no limit to the amount of combinating diacritics < 1450408554 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still discrete cells, just that each cell could contain a sequence of codepoints < 1450408555 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1450408569 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :char[80] doesn't make sense anyway, assuming you're using utf8 < 1450408570 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf8 characters can be up to like 6 chars < 1450408582 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less, and octets < 1450408598 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling it "chars" is really just confusing, and C's "char" is just a historical accident < 1450408598 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a sequence of codepoints per cell then it's < 1450408622 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector> < 1450408627 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how it would affect SGR attributes < 1450408631 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I meant by 'char' < 1450408647 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1450408647 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Theoretically six if all of utf8's potential were used, but the encoding for the maximum codepoint is only four bytes < 1450408655 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but it's really confusing to talk aobut char as byte when you're also talking about unicode characters < 1450408662 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLY won't match 0x[0-9a-f]+ for some reason. What obvious thing am I missing? < 1450408678 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know that that doesn't account for uppercase. That was intentional.) < 1450408687 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1450408687 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are still many microprocessors and such where a C char is 16 bytes < 1450408690 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean 16 bits < 1450408694 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true I guess < 1450408706 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: 16-byte characters. I'd like to use that charset. < 1450408707 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull : word addessed DSP's? < 1450408712 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's an ordinary regex then maybe you should do 0x[0-9a-f]\+ < 1450408719 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Yeah < 1450408732 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I want the + though, don't I? It's to match hexadecimal integers < 1450408734 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1450408755 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in basic regexes \+ does what + does in extended regexes and vice versa < 1450408764 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1450408765 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use extended regexes < 1450408767 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1450408770 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :egrep > grep < 1450408770 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never run into that before < 1450408772 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try it < 1450408774 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get {std::vector, foreground_color, background_color}[80] < 1450408788 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1450408801 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree to don't use Unicode with the terminal < 1450408801 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1450408802 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0-9A-Fa-f] < 1450408805 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE THE PROBLEM < 1450408813 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the problem? < 1450408847 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: No, I want it to match either 0-9a-f OR 0-9A-F, but not 0-9a-fA-F because mixing caps and noncaps in hex constants is stupid < 1450408864 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can reasonably expect that if you're over 8 bytes for a cell, you're really messing it up on purpose < 1450408889 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: That wasn't the full regex; it starts by trying to match [0-9], THEN [01], THEN [0-3], THEN [0-7], THEN [0-9a-f], THEN [0-9A-F] < 1450408903 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was matching on [0-9] then matching xFF as a name < 1450408906 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just fuck people who use combining characters amiright! < 1450408907 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you could have each cell be a struct{unsigned char utf[8]; int foreground; int background} < 1450408912 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Ah < 1450408913 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 byte aligned < 1450408969 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, now it works < 1450409026 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\ : I'm coding text to phoneme atm for french. é is acceptable. é is not and will simply not work. < 1450409054 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I also added some more devanagari: ०१२३४५६७८९ < 1450409098 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence fuck combinating diacritics < 1450409178 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery254.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450409192 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, the engine uses unicode for the frontend but internally is in latin-1 because life is too short to deal with 2 byte character sequences < 1450409221 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery254.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450409277 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and binary searching a blob of text is already crazy enough even with single-byte chars < 1450409300 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use 24-bit chars < 1450409316 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for a given vlaue of "usually") < 1450409338 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there even a C/C++ container for that < 1450409395 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: you do this: 0xffffff&*(int*)(s+i) where s is the string (a char*) and i is the index < 1450409438 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the index must always be a multiple of 3 obviously < 1450409444 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what do you do when it changes size < 1450409457 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this only works on little-endian of course < 1450409487 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if things keep going at the current rate it won't be too long before there's only little-endian left anyways < 1450409489 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: no my point is you translate from utf-8 to utf-24 < 1450409506 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then use utf-24 internally < 1450409532 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450409539 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With UTF-8 you can easily do search text by ordinary byte strings, as long as you do not extend it beyond 36-bits < 1450409540 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you use utf-32 then you can use std::vector < 1450409574 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My program "utftovlq" does not even support UTF-24 currently < 1450409585 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: yes, but that's wasteful < 1450409608 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then std::wstring and fuck the user if he wants higher plane characters < 1450409642 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ehould write a c++ container around utf-24 < 1450409667 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with UTF-16 you can use higher planes if it is strictly Unicode text (although 0xFFFE and 0xFFFF can now be used too) < 1450409669 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could use a std::vector internally and write a front end that makes it 24 bits yes < 1450409700 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : but it throws off character counts < 1450409715 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does do that < 1450409729 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on what you are doing it might or might not be the problem < 1450409735 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a problem < 1450409756 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because character counts are used to tell where each syllable starts and ends in the text < 1450409769 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the code that deals with that is already complex enough < 1450409800 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold wtf happened to the music < 1450409826 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/OUAyNCxyM2k?t=3451 < 1450409869 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-32 seem it would be easiest to work with then, especially if you need to go beyond Unicode. However, with both UTF-8 and UTF-16 the algorithm to count characters is simple anyways, although it does require to iterate each cell to do so anyways. < 1450409913 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code already has way enough iterations already < 1450409967 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I thought it might be. < 1450409977 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well arguably any code that only handles one language should use the native encoding of that language < 1450409985 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin-1 < 1450410008 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually windows cp-1252 < 1450410013 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Yes, that would be simpler to do. < 1450410046 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you need to input/output Unicode data, external programs can be used with pipe to convert; that also allows converting even other non-Unicode encodings for the same language text) < 1450410053 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the same thing as latin-1 but with useful chars from 0x80 to 0xa0 instead of more retarded control characters < 1450410070 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pipe? there is no pipe < 1450410074 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has to run in a dll < 1450410089 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer cp437 < 1450410096 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then another function can convert < 1450410111 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like CP437 < 1450410142 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wondering if anyone here has a cat implementation in ><> (http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fish) < 1450410160 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if vi and/or other text editor you can send the text to another program (by pipe) even without saving it to the file yet? < 1450410202 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp437 has a certain lack of accented caps < 1450410270 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ed can, therefore vi can < 1450410281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ed can, therefor I am < 1450410293 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a browser-based application called MetaCalc. It's for my "Programmer's Browser Toolkit", a small collection of programs I'm writing for programming < 1450410311 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're going to come with the SQ browser by default and may be available elsewhere < 1450410321 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SQ = Strange Quark) < 1450410345 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the command is 1,$w !command < 1450410367 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to decide whether or not to put an immense amount of effort into making 5>x>1 work < 1450410375 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This use can be useful for such thing as to test music with AmigaMML even without saving any files, in case someone want to do that < 1450410462 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And possibly with other programs too) < 1450410632 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the rules of UNIX is to make every program a filter, isn't it? < 1450410869 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much music have you made with amigamml btw? < 1450410885 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few. I don't make a lot of music. < 1450410955 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not Bach or whatever. < 1450411056 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at this time what I am working on is PCRE for SQLite. < 1450411242 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only bach is bach < 1450412091 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'the rules of unix' sounds a bit strong < 1450412097 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unix is a way, not a set of rules < 1450412155 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so. < 1450412317 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up even a few more Magic: the Gathering cards. < 1450412374 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :During declare attackers step you must toss a coin; if heads put a +1/+1 counter on the enchanted creature if tails put a -1/-1 counter < 1450412535 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450412913 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uxczcvuiltdgemfo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1450413370 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450413389 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450413406 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery254.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450414851 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450415206 0 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450415238 0 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1450415238 0 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1450415584 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450415797 0 :incomprehensibly!?@? NICK :micahjohnston < 1450415807 0 :micahjohnston!?@? NICK :incomprehensibly < 1450418916 0 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bymbuegzkuwdjpua QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450419075 0 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hhbeljcnisvblcuz JOIN :#esoteric < 1450419214 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450419473 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450419967 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :github and github gist are very funny with noscript < 1450420023 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1450420259 0 :tjt263!~RAPSCA77I@unaffiliated/tjt263 QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1450423406 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450423676 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450424011 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450424141 0 :mad!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Pics or it didn't happen < 1450424151 0 :^^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450424328 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450424339 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450425150 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have now made PCRE_EXEC and PCRE_QUOTE to work. < 1450425186 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450425203 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450425374 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-95-182.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450425770 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450425798 0 :Patashu!Verdonna_@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450426255 0 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450426274 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should also need PCRE_REPLACE, and also a virtual table for iterating matches < 1450426283 0 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450426821 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450427075 0 :^^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450427352 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450428037 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450428449 0 :Elronnd!?@? NICK :Gilthonniel < 1450428458 0 :Gilthonniel!?@? NICK :earenndil < 1450429041 0 :tjt263!~RAPSCA77I@unaffiliated/tjt263 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450429082 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450429259 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :10am sunrise < 1450429883 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1450432175 0 :dcentral!~dcntral@2601:681:500:165a:7d37:1f54:9a70:6b63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450434415 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450439465 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450439652 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450439793 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1450439826 0 :tjt263!~RAPSCA77I@unaffiliated/tjt263 QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1450439927 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450440222 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450440488 0 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450441505 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450441522 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody know of a CPU where emulators are sparse? < 1450441822 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450442274 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450442681 0 :Patashu!Verdonna_@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450443347 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450443433 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery254.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450445407 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450445706 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450447924 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-95-182.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450449366 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450449388 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450450575 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1450450740 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-95-182.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450450749 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450451450 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1450451453 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a full circcle? < 1450451456 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :angle=pi? < 1450451457 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 2pi < 1450451457 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1450451511 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1450451512 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither < 1450451513 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1450451682 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has to be 2pi < 1450451775 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1450451809 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow < 1450452331 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, 2pi is the angle in radians of a full circle < 1450452884 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-95-182.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450453015 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck do I get the cursor position in this library < 1450453041 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to keep track of that myself? < 1450453099 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What library is this? < 1450453206 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lanterna < 1450453209 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always returns 0,0 < 1450453268 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1450453274 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can create a screen from the terminal facade < 1450453286 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the screen doesn't know that the terminal cursor changed < 1450453291 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the fuck designed this shit < 1450453537 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1450453537 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1450453543 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably use the higher level interface < 1450453543 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1450453553 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't update cursor pos after putString < 1450453553 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1450453909 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well alrigiht < 1450454058 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :q: is mroman drunk < 1450454180 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck no < 1450454185 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't drink. < 1450454197 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm neither on any prescription drug < 1450454203 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I have access to many of those < 1450454219 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as anti-psychotics, benzos, z-drugs < 1450454425 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe just high on mathematics < 1450454587 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm getting a somewhat hypomanic episode < 1450454613 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm still brainfogged from the last weeks < 1450454664 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-95-182.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450455160 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :1tau, not 2pi. < 1450455216 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm lukewarm on the τ proposal.) < 1450455225 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they are equal by definition < 1450455244 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their values are equal, you mean. < 1450455250 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :strcmp("1tau", "2pi") != 0. < 1450455316 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are mathematically, if not lexicographically, equal. < 1450455375 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I don't think the τ proposal is really objecting to the actual value of π, or seeking to redefine it; it's strictly about what you're using to talk about it. < 1450455453 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Netflix Creates DIY Smart Socks That Pause Your Show When You Fall Asleep" < 1450455460 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... < 1450455508 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How one can fall asleep while watching something is still a mistery to me anyway < 1450455525 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I find it quite easy < 1450455590 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably wouldnt even fall asleep while watching something if on zopiclone. < 1450455599 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-if < 1450455608 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we are different people < 1450455624 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1450455633 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never fallen asleep while watching TV. < 1450455644 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or while listening to music. < 1450455698 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have fallen asleep while riding the Bus though. < 1450455849 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never done that < 1450455865 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been drowsy on buses and not with it, but never actually asleep < 1450455934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450456784 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-95-182.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450457710 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-95-182.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450457914 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450458486 0 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1450458615 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty much always drowsy < 1450458621 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1450458626 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have memory recall problems < 1450458683 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentely < 1450458689 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know how exactly that is defined. < 1450458709 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people generally really know what they got last birthday/christmas for presents? < 1450458718 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*know/remember < 1450458836 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what they ate yesterday? < 1450458866 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it hard to beleive that people remember what the ate yesterday. < 1450458878 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as I'm happy if I can recall what I ate today < 1450459539 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually remembering that I ate something for lunch is good enough for me. < 1450459549 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I can't even remember that. < 1450459892 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450460158 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450460328 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450460350 0 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450460411 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qgmwmlmjcvjlmrdi QUIT :Excess Flood < 1450460436 0 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-atsejhoewmtupbtm JOIN :#esoteric < 1450460548 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember what I ate yesterday, and the day before that < 1450460621 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday, I had (in reverse order) a burrito, a pasty, and a bowl of cornflakes. < 1450460644 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The day before, I had spare ribs, a pork pie, and (again) a bowl of cornflakes < 1450460712 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1016 < 1450460720 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1016: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1450460748 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :spare ribs? is this a usual wednesday for you?:p < 1450460759 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks shachaf < 1450460760 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, shachaf. Thachaf. < 1450460945 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, I was at my parents and they were both out all day so we had something easy < 1450460956 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense < 1450461013 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what's especially unwednesdayish about spare ribs < 1450461289 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find tau generally more useful than pi too, for example tau is the period of a trigonometric function. In some software dealing with audio (such as AmigaMML) I usually define TAU at the top of the program and it gets use a lot. < 1450461297 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh GREAT! < 1450461310 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll reach 1024 soon enough next year if he's this fast < 1450461320 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, thanks. < 1450461329 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ask me on monday what I did over the weekend there's a 25% chance I have no fucking clue < 1450461495 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1450461501 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having it checked out < 1450461512 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today they drew some blood < 1450461580 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than my blood being chronically too thick I doubt there's something visible in it < 1450461652 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.184 QUIT :Quit: bye. < 1450461953 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1450462740 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1450463781 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1450463935 0 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja QUIT :Quit: Let's jump! < 1450464049 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450464225 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja JOIN :#esoteric < 1450464445 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450465405 0 :dcentral!~dcntral@2601:681:500:165a:7d37:1f54:9a70:6b63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450465605 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anyone else on here by now that would like my Magic: the Puzzling that I have made up? < 1450465646 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you post a link to it? < 1450465712 0 :triggerwarning!~dcntral@2601:681:500:165a:7d37:1f54:9a70:6b63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450465721 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.1 up to puzzle.5 < 1450465726 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are five so far) < 1450465743 0 :triggerwarning!~dcntral@2601:681:500:165a:7d37:1f54:9a70:6b63 QUIT :Changing host < 1450465743 0 :triggerwarning!~dcntral@unaffiliated/triggerwarning JOIN :#esoteric < 1450465775 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can see Yawgatog if you need the rule and Oracle changes, although as far as I know this is not actually necessary in these cases right now) < 1450465842 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fifth puzzle is a team game. < 1450465892 0 :triggerwarning!~dcntral@unaffiliated/triggerwarning QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450465931 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:D1ffe7e45e14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45915 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+262) 10Created page with "It actually seems quite trivial to translate BF to D1ffe7e45e, so I don't think the Computational Class section needs to be so careful in its statement. --~~~~" < 1450466830 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :Shikhin < 1450466838 0 :Shikhin!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1450467180 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450467455 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450469780 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450469808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc11-sgyl31-2-0-cust296.sgyl.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450469812 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc11-sgyl31-2-0-cust296.sgyl.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1450469812 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450470246 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450470598 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1450471186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450471242 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery254.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450471844 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets annoyed that one cannot call a linker script with dlopen(). < 1450471999 0 :triggerwarning!~dcntral@2601:681:500:165a:7d37:1f54:9a70:6b63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450472031 0 :triggerwarning!~dcntral@2601:681:500:165a:7d37:1f54:9a70:6b63 QUIT :Changing host < 1450472031 0 :triggerwarning!~dcntral@unaffiliated/triggerwarning JOIN :#esoteric < 1450472105 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery254.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450472105 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450472207 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I need a handle to libc, but libc.so is a linker script. So I used to work around that by asking for libm, which also worked to access libc symbols, but now libm.so has also been made a linker script. < 1450472369 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@erq145.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450472602 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery254.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450474938 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450476963 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: What about libc.so.6 ? < 1450477552 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1450477768 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: The processing is such that if I want a system library it must end with “.so”. < 1450477795 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1450477845 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, “.so” is added to what I give it. < 1450477871 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :“it” being the program doing the dlopening at my direction. < 1450477874 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450477885 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely Idris. < 1450477912 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a libc-2.22.so but that filename might vary between systems < 1450478014 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably add logic to use RTLD_DEFAULT so I can just skip trying to load libc, but then is there a windows equivalent of that? < 1450478770 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450478784 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Since my code in question is not portable and only used by me, I’ll go with the hardcoded version for now, thanks for pointing it out. < 1450478902 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1450478908 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@erq145.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450478914 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> idrisVersion < 1450478915 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘idrisVersion’ < 1450478918 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( idrisVersion < 1450478918 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"0.9.20.2-git:7625799" : 12String < 1450478934 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaay finally. -ω- < 1450480271 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450480315 0 :dcentral!~dcntral@2601:681:500:165a:7d37:1f54:9a70:6b63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450480370 0 :triggerwarning!~dcntral@unaffiliated/triggerwarning QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450480503 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450480769 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450481048 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450481124 0 :dcentral!~dcntral@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450481720 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apples to Apples, Dust to Dust < 1450481814 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one bites the apple < 1450483275 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1450483648 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450483958 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@erq145.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450484556 0 :triggerwarning!~dcntral@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450484587 0 :triggerwarning!~dcntral@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 QUIT :Changing host < 1450484587 0 :triggerwarning!~dcntral@unaffiliated/triggerwarning JOIN :#esoteric < 1450484645 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What additional kind of features should my PCRE wrapper library have? < 1450485153 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I answer that without knowing what features it already has? < 1450485171 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450485289 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess, I suppose. < 1450486291 0 :IGLC!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450486435 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I have functions PCRE_COMPILE, PCRE_CONFIG, PCRE_EXEC, PCRE_FIRSTCHAR, PCRE_QUOTE, PCRE_REPLACE, REGEXP. The PCRE_COMPILE function takes the text and options (any options are valid) and returns a blob (or null if the compilation failed). < 1450486574 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: PCRE wrapper to what language? < 1450486581 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: SQL < 1450486582 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sqlite3 < 1450486585 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've guessed < 1450486655 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also intend to soon add a virtual table module for returning a list of matches. However, if there is anything else you think I might have missed, you can mention it. < 1450486893 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450487052 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450487181 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450487324 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450487431 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, I need glasses < 1450487451 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid left eye i blurry < 1450488005 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: go find a good ophtalmologist, a good optometrist, and a good optician, two of whom might be the same, plus learn to pronounce those words without hesitation. < 1450488014 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1450488015 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, welcome to the family < 1450488282 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: and if you're fluent with those three, you can go on to “sclera” and “conjunctiva” < 1450488302 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and “cornea” too of course. < 1450488500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :casual < 1450488519 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zonule of zinn is where the real fun starts < 1450488565 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nah, the real fun for me is not actually the eye thingy, but the expensive glasses < 1450488581 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eye doctor is necessary, but not fun. < 1450488639 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1450488789 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember an esoteric language that was using the filesystem as the language itself < 1450488794 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't remember the name < 1450488805 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know it? < 1450488836 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Folder < 1450488855 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1450488879 0 :juhwa!~juhwa@p20030063AF28F9090226B6FFFE3191E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1450489241 0 :juhwa!~juhwa@p20030063AF28F9090226B6FFFE3191E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1450490834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450492025 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450492195 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450492445 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ocmroiywnmjwofik JOIN :#esoteric < 1450492575 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450493297 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm if Trump wins the election, it could trigger an immigration wave to come to Canada, which could fix our economy. < 1450493353 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :please Mr. Trump, drive the latte liberals north! < 1450493355 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even so, it isn't worth it for trump to be elected < 1450493366 0 :andrew_!~andrew@116.30.108.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450493386 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: why? doesn't affect us, we've got Trudeau! < 1450493408 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually live in canada, doesn't know who Trudeau is < 1450493437 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, don't you have a shred of compassion for the poor people, who will be discriminated against by Trump *and* won't have the cash to move? < 1450493448 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justin Trudeau, the bishonen prime minister of Canada < 1450493516 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's more left than even Bernie Sanders < 1450493525 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1450493543 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He might fund the poor of america to come here as refugees < 1450493677 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a bigger workforce our economy might be able to work better, and our currency would not be as much of an oil voucher < 1450493866 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If his policy is unconstitutional then it cannot be implemented very easily, isn't it? < 1450493925 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the SQLite documentation specify the incorrect type for the xCreate and xConnect method? < 1450494602 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's supposed to use type punning? < 1450494637 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a compiler warning if you use the type in the documentation, but if you change "char**argv" to "const char*const*argv" then it works. < 1450494686 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-95-182.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450495039 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PCRE_QUOTE function converts all instances of \E into \\EE\Q and then puts \Q at the beginning and \E at the end. Is that OK or is there something wrong with that? < 1450495251 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It seems to work) < 1450495410 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-200-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450495582 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work < 1450496076 0 :andrew_!~andrew@116.30.108.185 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450497851 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1450498467 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450499651 0 :andrew_!~andrew@116.30.108.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450500504 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the file history for sqlite.h.in in SQLite, and now I am glad that they added support for colUsed to virtual tables, which is something I have wanted to have, so this is good. (However, I would have done it so that "SELECT Y FROM T WHERE X=5;" sets the bit for Y but not X, so that if it cannot consume the WHERE clause then it knows it need X as well otherwise it might not necessarily need it depending what it is doing) < 1450500694 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still no LIMIT/OFFSET consuming though! < 1450500861 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@erq145.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450502097 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450502385 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450503725 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450506591 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450508838 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450509101 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450509324 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450509575 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450510518 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450510757 0 :clog!~nef@66.114.33.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450513410 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vlwietyknxsgnjmu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450515075 0 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-hizxjpqepnewvdsx JOIN :#esoteric < 1450519375 0 :IGLC!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450519375 0 :dcentral!~dcntral@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450519395 0 :triggerwarning!~dcntral@unaffiliated/triggerwarning QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450519690 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/lHcTKWiZ8sI what the hell < 1450520558 0 :andrew_!~andrew@116.30.108.135 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450523052 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1450524869 0 :incomprehensibly!?@? NICK :glowcoil < 1450525054 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450526723 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary < 1450526855 0 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450527179 0 :Sgeo|Israel!6b4d4b5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450527197 0 :Sgeo|Israel!6b4d4b5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is alive and stuff < 1450527224 0 :Sgeo|Israel!6b4d4b5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike the codu ligs afaict < 1450527498 0 :Sgeo|Israel!6b4d4b5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1450527596 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI&feature=youtu.be aaaaaaaaah < 1450527739 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that was what was just linked here < 1450527744 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *meant* to link that somewhere else < 1450527751 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, my response is aaaaaaah < 1450527756 0 :Sgeo|Israel!6b4d4b5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.95 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1450527795 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it creeps me a little < 1450527884 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It creeps me a *lot* < 1450528895 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450529731 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03~Kslkgh 5* 10New user account < 1450531437 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A true gentleman programmer is one who can write obfuscated code, but doesn't. < 1450532943 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :D&D question. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/inevitable.htm says about the Marut (construct monster) that “Once it has found its target, a marut brings it the death it has been trying to avoid. Those who defile death through necromancy may instead receive a geas and/or mark of justice to enforce proper respect.” < 1450532995 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the point of trying a geas (a mind-affecting spell) on someone who has achieved immortailty by turning themselves to a lich undead who is totally immune to mind-altering spells? < 1450533011 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look like an effective strategy. < 1450535599 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1450535962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450536177 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450536181 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ostrich/Ostrich used to be a large middle European empire in frequent conflict with Turkey. After a famine it sort of split into Ostrich/Hungry. Alas its policy of keeping its head in the sand did not get it through the Great War, and with its final attempts to take flight failing, it ended up cut into several pieces. < 1450536714 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: kernel < 1450536872 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1450537110 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah, feels good to have an unfreezing firefox again ^^ < 1450537582 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjouroily < 1450537604 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelloppro! < 1450537608 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB < 1450537609 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 191400Z 26012KT 30SM FEW030 BKN073 M03/M07 A2965 RMK SC2AC4 SLP046 < 1450537617 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :already -3. much fun. < 1450537677 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: are you vacationing? < 1450537747 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. managed to freeze the fox again, but through reproducible steps: trying to install pentadactyl. < 1450537771 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't freeze by itself now, which is nice. the bad part is that the bug is known, but the resolution isn't. < 1450537795 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, it has to do with a bad pointer somewhere in glib. < 1450537923 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-95-182.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450538015 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450538365 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes. going home to calgary today < 1450538581 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun dun ♪ < 1450538698 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450539289 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. so it's not me installing, it's firefox trying to open a new tab < 1450539343 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :me middle-clicking or ctrl-clicking on a link works. 'firefox some_random_xpi.xpi' through the commandline makes it freeze. clicking on a link that targets a new tab makes it freeze. < 1450539467 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, some middle-clicks hang. < 1450539472 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHGHGHGHGHGHGH! < 1450539756 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450539818 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles mozilla < 1450540244 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESSB < 1450540244 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSB 191520Z 21003KT 9999 BKN022 07/06 Q1007 R30/19//73 < 1450540533 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450540534 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :structural subtyping/Not to be confused with substructural typing. < 1450540541 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450540542 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eto/Eto is the ageless laughing first minister. < 1450540844 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450541100 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`windom < 1450541101 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: windom: not found < 1450541112 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`intelligence < 1450541113 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: intelligence: not found < 1450541116 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`charisma < 1450541117 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: charisma: not found < 1450541125 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1450541127 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø? < 1450541157 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? intelligence < 1450541158 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intelligence? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541158 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wis < 1450541160 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wis? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541160 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? int < 1450541161 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541169 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? integrity < 1450541170 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :integrity? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541173 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? integral < 1450541173 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :integral? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541175 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? integer < 1450541176 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541246 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn integer/An integer is a number that does not contain a wildcard that matches any character other than a line feed. < 1450541247 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/learn: line 3: wisdom/integer/an: No such file or directory \ Learned 'integer/an': integer/An integer is a number that does not contain a wildcard that matches any character other than a line feed. < 1450541254 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn integer/An integer is a number that does not contain a wildcard that matches any character other than a line feed. < 1450541257 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «integer» < 1450541276 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's an integer? < 1450541277 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's a sign from above telling me to stop in at fnord about once a week, i'll send you a ctcp pong when you ping me/ < 1450541293 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? santa < 1450541294 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :santa? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541322 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rudolph < 1450541323 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rudolph? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541331 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mentos < 1450541332 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentos? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541334 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mental < 1450541335 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mental? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541343 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tree < 1450541344 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tree? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541344 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? treefolk < 1450541345 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elf < 1450541345 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :treefolk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541346 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elf? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541348 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elves < 1450541349 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elves? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541350 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? treant < 1450541351 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :treant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541361 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ent < 1450541362 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ent? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541367 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? reentrant < 1450541368 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reentrant? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450541417 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Treefolk are genericized treants for intellectual property reasons. < 1450541419 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'treefolk': Treefolk are genericized treants for intellectual property reasons. < 1450541438 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn treant/Treants are genericized ents for intellectual property reasons < 1450541441 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «treant» < 1450541793 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn ent/Ents are very useful creatures for the puzzle of writing town names in Hungary as the catenation of six or more Hungarian words. Solutions include Bal-a-s-s-a-gyarmat, Bal-a-ton-s-zár-szó, Bal-a-ton-szem-e-s, Egy-ház-a-s-holló-s, Fel-s-õsz-ent-már-ton, Jász-ár-ok-száll-á-s, Ki-s-kun-fél-egy-ház-a, Ki-s-kun-hal-a-s, Rá-basz-ent-mik-ló-s, Vér-te-s-szõ-lõ-s. < 1450541795 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «ent» < 1450541799 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?ent < 1450541800 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?ent: not found < 1450541801 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ent < 1450541802 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ents are very useful creatures for the puzzle of writing town names in Hungary as the catenation of six or more Hungarian words. Solutions include Bal-a-s-s-a-gyarmat, Bal-a-ton-s-zár-szó, Bal-a-ton-szem-e-s, Egy-ház-a-s-holló-s, Fel-s-õsz-ent-már-ton, Jász-ár-ok-száll-á-s, Ki-s-kun-fél-egy-ház-a, Ki-s-kun-hal-a-s, Rá-basz-ent-mik-ló- < 1450541814 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :too long. < 1450541900 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn ent/Ents are very useful creatures for the puzzle of writing town names in Hungary as the catenation of six or more Hungarian words. Bal-a-s-s-a-gyarmat Bal-a-ton-s-zár-szó Egy-ház-a-s-holló-s Fel-s-ősz-ent-már-ton Jász-ár-ok-száll-á-s Ki-s-kun-fél-egy-ház-a Ki-s-kun-hal-a-s Rá-basz-ent-mik-ló-s Vér-te-s-sző-lő-s. < 1450541902 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «ent» < 1450541906 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ent < 1450541907 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ents are very useful creatures for the puzzle of writing town names in Hungary as the catenation of six or more Hungarian words. Bal-a-s-s-a-gyarmat Bal-a-ton-s-zár-szó Egy-ház-a-s-holló-s Fel-s-ősz-ent-már-ton Jász-ár-ok-száll-á-s Ki-s-kun-fél-egy-ház-a Ki-s-kun-hal-a-s Rá-basz-ent-mik-ló-s Vér-te-s-sző-lő-s. < 1450541983 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn ent/Ents are very useful creatures for the puzzle of writing town names in Hungary as the catenation of six or more Hungarian words. Bal-a-s-s-a-gyarmat Bal-a-ton-{s-zár-szó,szem-e-s} Egy-ház-a-s-holló-s Fel-s-ősz-ent-már-ton Jász-ár-ok-száll-á-s Ki-s-kun-{fél-egy-ház-a,hal-a-s} Rá-basz-ent-mik-ló-s Vér-te-s-sző-lő-s. < 1450541986 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «ent» < 1450541989 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ent < 1450541990 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ents are very useful creatures for the puzzle of writing town names in Hungary as the catenation of six or more Hungarian words. Bal-a-s-s-a-gyarmat Bal-a-ton-{s-zár-szó,szem-e-s} Egy-ház-a-s-holló-s Fel-s-ősz-ent-már-ton Jász-ár-ok-száll-á-s Ki-s-kun-{fél-egy-ház-a,hal-a-s} Rá-basz-ent-mik-ló-s Vér-te-s-sző-lő-s. < 1450542062 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s is an hungarian word? < 1450542067 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn ent/Ents are very useful creatures for the puzzle of writing town names in Hungary as the catenation of six or more Hungarian words. Bal-a-s-s-a-gyarmat Bal-a-ton-{s-zár-szó,{rend,szem}-e-s} Egy-ház-a-s-holló-s Fel-s-ősz-ent-már-ton Jász-ár-ok-száll-á-s Ki-s-kun-{fél-egy-ház-a,hal-a-s} Rá-basz-ent-mik-ló-s Vér-te-s-sző-lő-s. < 1450542069 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «ent» < 1450542072 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yes < 1450542072 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ent < 1450542073 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ents are very useful creatures for the puzzle of writing town names in Hungary as the catenation of six or more Hungarian words. Bal-a-s-s-a-gyarmat Bal-a-ton-{s-zár-szó,{rend,szem}-e-s} Egy-ház-a-s-holló-s Fel-s-ősz-ent-már-ton Jász-ár-ok-száll-á-s Ki-s-kun-{fél-egy-ház-a,hal-a-s} Rá-basz-ent-mik-ló-s Vér-te-s-sző-lő-s. < 1450542173 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: there is at least one solution that don't need it, specifically, Kis-kun-fél-egy-ház-a < 1450542240 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: but most solutions use it, because without it you need town names with at least six syllables, and there aren't many of those. < 1450542301 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450542308 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: puzzle is from http://www.komal.hu/forum/forum.cgi?a=to&tid=66&st=25&sp=343#16804 < 1450542395 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least one town name with seven syllables, Balatonmáriafürdő, but it doesn't seem to work because “mári” or “fürd” etc aren't words < 1450542698 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good mroing b_jonas < 1450542730 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly, Alsónemesapáti is seven syllables but doesn't seem to decompose because “i” isn't a word. So the solutions are six syllable ones and mostly use -s-, with the exception of Kis-kun-fél-egy-ház-a. < 1450542734 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: morning < 1450542760 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: had I already he\\oren\ed this mroning? < 1450542779 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fun part is that I didn't even invent this puzzle, it was someone else. I only gave extra solutions. < 1450542780 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jhellonas. Hungarian is strange hth < 1450542812 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rábaszentmiklós is the craziest of course. < 1450542848 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rabât-Sainte-Micloche. < 1450542872 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I think it's because Hungarian isn't indo european < 1450542898 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet is written in roman letters < 1450542990 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, theoretically it should look more alien than Sanscrit or Persian < 1450543000 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are tons of town names that sound dirty, but as this puzzle was clearly posed someone else, it let me point this out on a forum that wouldn't generally like if I used dirty words. < 1450543035 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :re https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2013.09.09_Balaton_%283%29.JPG < 1450543043 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: no, it shouldn't "look more like". the not indo european implies only deep grammar rules stuff, not what the language looks like. < 1450543093 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also implies that none of the roots would be even slightly recognizable < 1450543135 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: no, not really, because of centuries of vocabulary gain from turkish, slavic, german, greek and latin, french, english, in roughly this order < 1450543172 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well then. So roughly like Japanese for a Chinese person. Ok then < 1450543178 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(slavic should probably be in the chronology twice, once early and once late during the iron curtain; and greek and latin is spread around all the time) < 1450543279 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin is the Marmite of linguistic toast. < 1450543396 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Madore has actually recently posted a blog entry http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2015-12-17.2343.html that tries to give one of these interesting examples about what sort of thing a language family can share. < 1450543420 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously there are books on this sort of thing, but David writes in an interesting and captivating way to geeks. < 1450543550 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin letters are borrowed to Hungarian and English for the same reason and same time as latin words were first borrowed: because at the time people started to write Hungarian, the people who would write it had to learn written latin. < 1450543587 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might be similar to why kanji are used to write Japanese and why Japanese has so many Chinese borrowings. < 1450543707 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah. in fact Hiragana and Katakana are just lazily-written versions of chinese characters that sound like that (manyougana). < 1450543726 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The german borrowings are of a quite differnt nature: german words were borrowed because at that time german speaking population was widely mixed with Hungarian speaking population. Budapest (before it was called that) had a German speaking majority at a time. < 1450543741 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that one included uneducated population, unlike the latin borrowings. < 1450543845 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a result, these days people invent new latin-sounding stuff when they want to sound like they're smart scientists, they invent English-sounding words when they want to sell non-sciency stuff like pop music or video games, and they don't invent new German-sounding words, < 1450543942 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some families still use words of german origin for food that have non-German equivalents used in different families, eg. “fasírt” vs “vagdalt” or “spenót” vs “paraj”. < 1450543983 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to write musical notation then use (or invent) Italian words. < 1450543986 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also “nokedli” vs “galuska”. < 1450543988 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. It's interesting how the distribution of loanwords has more to do with the people than the words themselves < 1450544153 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that's for just a few special words. Most loanwords aren't like that. Other food like “kuglóf” doesn't have a less german sounding equivalent. < 1450544298 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There was technically a second wave of German language knowledge during the iron curtain, when people weren't much exposed to English music or books, and tons of people worked in the service industry interacting with East German tourists, but this didn't result in many loanwords.) < 1450544414 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was partly at the same time when everyone had to learn Russian, and when sciency people read mathematics books translated from English to Russian or German.) < 1450544443 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mostly to russian. The German math books are older and were not translated form English.) < 1450544629 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hehe yes < 1450545242 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to hear some of these faux English words. < 1450545263 0 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-hizxjpqepnewvdsx QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450545315 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ↆ < 1450545315 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2186 ROMAN NUMERAL FIFTY EARLY FORM] < 1450545473 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, everyone. < 1450545474 0 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.209.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450545474 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/2QRrR9ZHgo0m/esoteric.txt < 1450545580 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A whole bunch of wisdom from the neural net. < 1450545582 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:54:02: > 10, 168 < 1450545582 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:38:43: Feel false < 1450545594 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: coincidentally I added that character a few days ago < 1450545597 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The timestamps are not even in the correct order < 1450545633 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: so the fact that you asked HackEgo about the character recently is a coincidence? < 1450545647 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, it's pretty bad at keeping track of time. < 1450545653 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not < 1450545656 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/lifthrasiir/rust-encoding/issues/92#issuecomment-166004719 < 1450545659 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :legacy encoding business is fun! < 1450545663 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:45:36: ...http://www.cogbilagobous.com/images/iPing/Tanebmodule/market/generators/representationNenses/warnings/grub-j33/Admin-definition-time < 1450545684 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of websites have Tanebmodules nowadays. < 1450545719 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:16:59: `wisdom < 1450545719 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:01:19: Google your half-Word Haskell is Problem. < 1450545725 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? google < 1450545726 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545733 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Google your half-Word Haskell is Problem. < 1450545735 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'google': Google your half-Word Haskell is Problem. < 1450545792 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswellott. Tanebmodule? < 1450545795 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hobbit < 1450545795 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hobbit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545798 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qubit < 1450545799 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qubit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545800 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bit < 1450545801 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545802 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? byte < 1450545803 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :byte? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545805 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hobbyte < 1450545805 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hobbyte? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545808 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? halfling < 1450545809 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :halfling? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545817 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Tanebmodule. < 1450545821 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? kithkin < 1450545821 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kithkin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545830 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Tanebmodule < 1450545831 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebmodule? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545836 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott being snarky: < 1450545837 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:25:04: "hth" is what I think < 1450545841 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Tanelle. care to explain twh? < 1450545855 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn halfling/Halflings are genericized hobbits for intellectual property reasons. < 1450545857 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «halfling» < 1450545859 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott stop snarking hth < 1450545859 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1450545903 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn kithkin/Kithkins are genericized halflings for intellectual property reasons, except they also have some limited telepathy to remote sense each others' emotions. < 1450545905 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «kithkin» < 1450545920 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? orc < 1450545921 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545923 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? goblin < 1450545924 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goblin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545926 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dwarf < 1450545927 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545928 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dwarves < 1450545929 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarves? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545930 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dwarfs < 1450545931 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarfs? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545933 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an error message from lambdabot: < 1450545935 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:36:30: Recent definition of ‘a’ < 1450545935 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:46:28: with actual type ‘GHC.Types.Char]’ < 1450545935 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:18:42: Couldn't match expected type ‘S... < 1450545947 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( humans are genericized humans without intellect, property nor reason? < 1450545950 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1450545958 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DWARF is a debugging data format < 1450545973 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gnome < 1450545974 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545975 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nome < 1450545976 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nome? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450545982 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo refusing to provide any wisdom: < 1450545984 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:36:10: `wisdom < 1450545984 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:57:58: aw/no < 1450546026 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( int-ello! ) < 1450546032 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Haskell code: < 1450546033 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:36:58: x, F[basic> Taneb = B) and (|) where a f = (* -> (a -> a) -> a (b of the only the exception that goto with 3 bits) < 1450546040 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e warn $n=()=," wise men" < 1450546042 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :702 wise men at -e line 1. < 1450546046 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 0 < 1450546047 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546063 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn 0/702 matching entries found. < 1450546065 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «0» < 1450546077 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bottle < 1450546078 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546080 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? djinn < 1450546081 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :djinn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546081 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? genie < 1450546082 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :genie? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546102 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? book < 1450546103 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :book? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546105 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? god < 1450546105 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546115 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mom < 1450546116 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mom? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546122 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mummy < 1450546123 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mummy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546128 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? b_jonas < 1450546129 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546132 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Elronnd < 1450546133 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546156 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn footnote 1/May contain nuts. < 1450546159 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «footnote 1» < 1450546160 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zombie < 1450546161 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombie? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546173 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? skeleton < 1450546174 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :skeleton? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546176 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ghost < 1450546177 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghost? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546182 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/footnote 1 < 1450546184 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e < 1450546204 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the footnotes have footnotes? < 1450546206 0 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450546226 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn skeleton/A skeleton is an unintelligent undead, similar to the zombie but harder to create, because it's lacking most of the body. < 1450546229 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «skeleton» < 1450546241 0 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450546243 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn ghost/A ghost is an unintelligent undead, similar to the skeleton but harder to create, because it's lacking the rest of the body. < 1450546246 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «ghost» < 1450546247 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ghoul < 1450546248 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghoul? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546249 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ghast < 1450546250 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghast? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546250 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450546267 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ypfozxakduduqdnu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450546284 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450546293 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn A ghast is a palette-swapped higher level copycat of ghoul. < 1450546293 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450546312 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls le < 1450546313 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rn < 1450546320 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ghast cries fireballs hth < 1450546322 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no append version, hmm < 1450546323 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't use le/rn like that, I think < 1450546334 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Ghouls are undead that eat BRAINS. So basically, bog standard undead like zombies or wights, but with some fancy back story in the book that nobody reads. < 1450546335 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450546337 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1450546343 0 :Todpunk!Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450546346 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wight < 1450546347 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wight? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546360 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to put the filename in front explicitly < 1450546369 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450546384 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Ghouls are undead that eat BRAINS. So basically, bog standard undead like zombies or wights, but with some fancy back story in the book that nobody reads. < 1450546386 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'ghoul': Ghouls are undead that eat BRAINS. So basically, bog standard undead like zombies or wights, but with some fancy back story in the book that nobody reads. < 1450546400 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A ghast is a palette-swapped higher level copycat of ghoul. < 1450546402 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'ghast': A ghast is a palette-swapped higher level copycat of ghoul. < 1450546406 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450546409 0 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450546412 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: thanks for the warning < 1450546428 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: Hellonnd. first time I see you type something. < 1450546449 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450546452 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? math < 1450546452 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? maths < 1450546453 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append skeleton The best skeleton are made by groups of people, so-called skeleton crews. < 1450546453 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :math? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546454 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maths stands for Mathematical Anti-Telharsic Harfatum Septomin. < 1450546455 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'skeleton': A skeleton is an unintelligent undead, similar to the zombie but harder to create, because it's lacking most of the body. The best skeleton are made by groups of people, so-called skeleton crews. < 1450546464 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :arg < 1450546484 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yeah, it was a typo < 1450546485 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? curse < 1450546485 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cursed < 1450546486 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curse? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546486 0 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450546486 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cursed? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546503 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? b_jonas < 1450546504 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546515 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i s/ton\ are/tons\ are/ wisdome/skeleton; cat wisdom/skeleton < 1450546516 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read wisdome/skeleton: No such file or directory \ A skeleton is an unintelligent undead, similar to the zombie but harder to create, because it's lacking most of the body. The best skeleton are made by groups of people, so-called skeleton crews. < 1450546527 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :'learn b_jonas Esoterically < 1450546532 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1450546534 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn b_jonas Esoterically < 1450546536 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'b_jona': b_jonas Esoterically < 1450546538 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i s/ton\ are/tons\ are/ wisdom/skeleton; cat wisdom/skeleton < 1450546540 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A skeleton is an unintelligent undead, similar to the zombie but harder to create, because it's lacking most of the body. The best skeletons are made by groups of people, so-called skeleton crews. < 1450546557 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? b_jonas < 1450546558 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas Esoterically < 1450546561 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? b_jona < 1450546562 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wait wait wait. you didn't have a wisdom entry of your own? < 1450546563 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas Esoterically < 1450546570 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdome < 1450546571 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wisdome is the place where all of HackBot's wisdom is stored and forced to fight to the death for the freedom of being printed out when you type `wisdom. < 1450546585 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wistome < 1450546586 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wistome? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546588 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/wisdome < 1450546589 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan oerjan hppavilion[1] < 1450546589 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn math/Math class is tough! < 1450546591 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮ < 1450546592 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «math» < 1450546592 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] < 1450546598 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Elronnd *Definitely* esoteric < 1450546600 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'elronnd': Elronnd *Definitely* esoteric < 1450546608 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :ermm < 1450546609 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Elronnd *definitely* esoteric < 1450546612 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'elronnd': Elronnd *definitely* esoteric < 1450546621 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :third time's the charm hth < 1450546637 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1450546638 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 191720Z VRB02KT CAVOK 03/02 Q1026 NOSIG < 1450546640 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? xkcd < 1450546641 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546642 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? xkcq < 1450546642 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad day for laundry... < 1450546643 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcq? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546674 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? icq < 1450546675 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :icq? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546679 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? irq < 1450546680 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irq? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546687 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? irc < 1450546688 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is short for "Internet Relay Chat". It is named so because all the servers are constructed from relays. < 1450546716 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn xkcq/"xkcq" is worth 8 more points than "xkcd" in Scrabble, or a whopping 30 more if both are played optimally on a triple word score. Nyahhh. < 1450546718 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «xkcq» < 1450546742 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: oh hello < 1450546745 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you end up here? < 1450546760 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :new hypothesis: #esoteric is actually Rome < 1450546766 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nutella < 1450546767 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nutella? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546786 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no way. how is it full of people from Norway and the UK then? < 1450546788 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 0 < 1450546789 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :702 matching entries found. < 1450546790 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Google mimiced my brain and sent me somewhere random < 1450546795 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that somewhere was brainfuck < 1450546797 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you add the one for Magic: the Puzzling? < 1450546802 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up on the esolangs wiki < 1450546822 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eventually a level teleporter there landed me in this channel < 1450546832 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: because all roads lead here < 1450546859 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? magic: the puzzling < 1450546860 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic: the puzzling? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450546865 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1450546872 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are level teleporters in there? < 1450546873 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Rome is the suburb capital of Denmark. it's where the Nobel Prize announcement are announced. < 1450546874 0 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-atsejhoewmtupbtm QUIT :Excess Flood < 1450546917 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm from Canada, and more distantly, from Russia, England, France, and Ireland. < 1450546921 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: what are your approximate geographic coördinates? what do you think of roast beef? < 1450546931 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Russia? < 1450546940 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: by the Roman emperor Harald V? < 1450546948 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mother's family are from Russia < 1450546955 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Himself. < 1450547016 0 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-bgavryppoolwrogx JOIN :#esoteric < 1450547078 0 :Tod-Autojoined2!Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450547111 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: if you go back about 12 generations away, both sides of my family are French. < 1450547135 0 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450547138 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you go back about 12 generations away, my family is from like spread everywhere around the globe < 1450547197 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 generations i think would put some of my mom's ancestors dirt poor farmers in rural russia under a Tzar < 1450547272 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my father's as dirt poor farmers in france who stupidly thought they could do better in quebec < 1450547358 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in Ireland and England, moving to Ontario < 1450547386 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like did these people not realize the growing season is half as long in Canada!?!?! < 1450547409 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "The jackal explodes!" ) < 1450547467 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the length that's important, is the vegetables you grow. < 1450547495 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450547496 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¯\(°​_o)/¯/¯\(°​_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1450547563 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yeah, but since it's half as long for every farmer, they can sell the food for more money there, and they have to work less for that if the season is shorter. < 1450547599 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn macro-economics! < 1450547616 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruining all my logics < 1450547682 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, economics is studying people who try to act rationally ... bound to be a mess < 1450547704 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to mention the circularity of the whole business) < 1450547717 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07QKAS14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45916&oldid=43976 5* 0396.59.217.220 5* (-18) 10 < 1450547830 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07QKAS14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45917&oldid=45916 5* 0396.59.217.220 5* (+7) 10 < 1450547909 0 :Nithogg!~ethiraric@93.ip-5-196-226.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450547964 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07QKAS14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45918&oldid=45917 5* 0396.59.217.220 5* (+13) 10 < 1450548035 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07QKAS14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45919&oldid=45918 5* 0396.59.217.220 5* (+34) 10 < 1450548072 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vampire < 1450548073 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vampire? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450548074 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lich < 1450548075 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lich? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450548082 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? horcrux < 1450548083 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :horcrux? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450548085 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rock < 1450548086 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rock? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450548086 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stone < 1450548087 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stone? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450548088 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? paper < 1450548089 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :paper? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450548094 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? scissors < 1450548095 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scissors? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450548096 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? knife < 1450548097 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knife? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450548098 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dagger < 1450548099 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dagger? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450548100 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? arrow < 1450548102 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrows are just strong monads in the category of profunctors. < 1450548115 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm *sure* that HackEgo replies to private messages < 1450548125 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I think you are correct < 1450548138 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have done it before) < 1450548144 0 :Nithogg!~ethiraric@2001:41d0:51:1::1d31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450548145 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does. < 1450548179 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this channel is more tolerant to this kind of smapping than most channels are (though maybe I should try multiple searches in a single line) and maybe it inspires people to write entries < 1450548180 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? MegaZeux < 1450548182 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MegaZeux? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450548192 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? arrow|dagger|knife|sword|saber|sabre < 1450548193 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrow|dagger|knife|sword|saber|sabre? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450548214 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/@(arrow|dagger|knife|sword|saber|sabre) < 1450548215 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/@(arrow|dagger|knife|sword|saber|sabre): No such file or directory < 1450548223 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, it does show what entry are missing to public too even. But I think you cannot make multiple searches per line like that; you need to add a program to do that instead < 1450548226 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` shopt -s extglob; ls wisdom/@(arrow|dagger|knife|sword|saber|sabre) < 1450548227 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ bash: -c: line 0: `shopt -s extglob; ls wisdom/@(arrow|dagger|knife|sword|saber|sabre)' < 1450548235 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck < 1450548239 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` shopt -s extglob; eval 'ls wisdom/@(arrow|dagger|knife|sword|saber|sabre)' < 1450548240 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/arrow < 1450548246 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of those stupid cases where you need eval < 1450548260 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`blame `` < 1450548260 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: blame: not found < 1450548267 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`blame bin/`` < 1450548268 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: blame: not found < 1450548270 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? All The Tropes < 1450548271 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A card game where you win if you collect *all* of the tropes. < 1450548272 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits bin/`` < 1450548274 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett tswett b_jonas zzo38 < 1450548284 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/\`\` < 1450548285 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/\`\`: No such file or directory < 1450548289 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1450548294 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`` < 1450548295 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :export LANG=C; exec bash -c "$@" < 1450548297 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1450548301 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin\` < 1450548302 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin\`: No such file or directory < 1450548309 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/` < 1450548310 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIMEFORMAT='real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS' exec bash -c -- "$1" < 1450548408 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat '#!bin/sh'$'\n''export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@"' > bin/\`\` < 1450548410 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: #!bin/sh \ export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@": No such file or directory < 1450548415 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '#!bin/sh'$'\n''export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@"' > bin/\`\` < 1450548417 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450548421 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo hello < 1450548422 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: /hackenv/bin/``: bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/``: Success < 1450548434 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo '#!/bin/sh'$'\n''export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@"' > bin/\`\` < 1450548436 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450548438 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` ls wisdom/@(arrow|dagger|knife|sword|saber|sabre) < 1450548439 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/arrow < 1450548453 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` locale < 1450548454 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=C \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="C" \ LC_NUMERIC="C" \ LC_TIME="C" \ LC_COLLATE="C" \ LC_MONETARY="C" \ LC_MESSAGES="C" \ LC_PAPER="C" \ LC_NAME="C" \ LC_ADDRESS="C" \ LC_TELEPHONE="C" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="C" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" \ LC_ALL= < 1450548472 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't mind extglob, do you? < 1450548532 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those extensions that don't break anything and should default to enabled if invoked as bash really < 1450548552 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over time we will see. < 1450548572 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're trying crazy stuff like @(){ echo hello; } < 1450548939 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Zeux Agem < 1450548940 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zeux Agem? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450549465 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote on some paper about some ideas of commands to add to dc and for example absolute value can be implemented like: d_1d1j* and if you want to compute Morton number you can write: ISIOSO2om4ixrmx2*+LIiLOo < 1450549575 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1450549819 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox trunks has *nearly* all the same error messages and failures in the console, with the added advantage of no crashes! < 1450549934 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ks/k/ < 1450549952 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e ISIOSO2om4ixrmx2*+LIiLOo < 1450549953 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: dc: stack empty \ dc: stack empty \ dc: dc: stack empty \ dc: stack empty \ dc: stack empty \ 'm' (0155) unimplemented \ 'm' (0155) unimplemented < 1450549967 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e 360 d_1d1j* < 1450549968 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: 'j' (0152) unimplemented < 1450549979 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so j is one of your new commands? < 1450550245 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1450550258 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also m < 1450550280 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e1d[pdsd+ldrlxx]dsxx < 1450550281 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 \ 10946 \ 17711 \ 28657 \ 46368 \ 75025 \ 121393 \ 196418 \ 317811 \ 514229 \ 832040 \ 1346269 \ 2178309 \ 3524578 \ 5702887 \ 9227465 \ 14930352 \ 24157817 \ 39088169 \ 63245986 \ 102334155 \ 165580141 \ 267914296 \ 433494437 \ 701408733 \ 11349031 < 1450550310 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby -wep 1,x=1;18.times{p x=(x/0.618).round} < 1450550323 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ruby -ex=i=1;p x+=i=x-i while+1 < 1450550324 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ruby: not found < 1450550325 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ruby -wep 1,x=1;18.times{p x=(x/0.618).round} < 1450550326 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ruby: not found < 1450550335 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` ls bin/ruby* < 1450550336 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin/ruby*: No such file or directory < 1450550344 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo "$PATH" < 1450550345 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin < 1450550388 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` shopt -s nullglob; eval 'echo {/hackenv/bin,/opt/python27/bin,/opt/ghc/bin,/usr/bin,/bin}/ruby*' fin < 1450550389 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fin < 1450550394 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1450550400 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ruby anywhere? no version? < 1450550405 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` shopt -s nullglob; eval 'echo {/hackenv/bin,/opt/python27/bin,/opt/ghc/bin,/usr/bin,/bin}/perl*' fin < 1450550406 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/perl-e /usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/perl5.14.2 /usr/bin/perlbug /usr/bin/perldoc /usr/bin/perlivp /usr/bin/perlthanks fin < 1450550416 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there is no Ruby on HackEgo < 1450550428 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You could ask them to install it if you want it though) < 1450550432 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ruby -wex=i=1;loop{p x+=i=x-i} < 1450550432 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ruby: not found < 1450550453 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e1d[prdk+KdZ5\>x]dsxx < 1450550453 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ dc: '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 1 \ dc: '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 2 \ dc: '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 3 \ dc: '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 5 \ dc: '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 8 \ dc: '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 13 \ dc: '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 21 \ dc: '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 34 \ dc: '\' (0134) unimplemented \ 55 \ dc: '\' (0134) unimplemente < 1450550465 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e1pd[pdk+Krlxx]dsxx|head -20 < 1450550466 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative number \ dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative number \ dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative number \ dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative < 1450550478 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e1pd[pdk+Krlxx]dsxx>/dev/null|head -20 < 1450550487 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e1pd[pdk+Krlxx]dsxx 2>/dev/null|head -20 < 1450550488 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 < 1450550509 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative number \ dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative number \ dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative number \ dc: value overflows simple integer; punting... \ dc: scale must be a nonnegative < 1450550513 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e1pd[pdk+Krlxx]dsxx|&head -20 < 1450550514 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 5 \ 8 \ 13 \ 21 \ 34 \ 55 \ 89 \ 144 \ 233 \ 377 \ 610 \ 987 \ 1597 \ 2584 \ 4181 \ 6765 < 1450550730 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :```` echo hello < 1450550733 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ```: not found < 1450550742 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :````` echo hello < 1450550743 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ````: not found < 1450550931 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo $_ < 1450550932 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash < 1450550947 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` set | grep '`' < 1450550947 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASH_EXECUTION_STRING='set | grep '\''`'\''' < 1450550957 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` env | grep '`' < 1450550958 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450551042 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat bin/\`\` < 1450551043 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@" < 1450552566 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450552567 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450552922 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`` < 1450552923 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@" < 1450552925 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1450552939 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/` < 1450552939 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIMEFORMAT='real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS' exec bash -c -- "$1" < 1450553162 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450553662 0 :Tod-Autojoined2!?@? NICK :Todpunk < 1450554113 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450556118 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450557526 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: FLICKERING CHICKEN < 1450557789 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat wisdom/{oren,oerjan} < 1450557790 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house. He'll orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon. \ Your famous evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortize < 1450557820 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450557821 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Der Y gO! < 1450557822 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaos/chaos? ¯\(° _o)/¯ < 1450557990 0 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.209.1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450558214 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450558542 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Armin van Buuren < 1450558543 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Armin van Buuren? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450558625 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Tiësto < 1450558626 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiësto? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450558666 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does Tiësto have an ë anyway? < 1450558809 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450559118 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it was just the way his name is spelled, but apparently Tiesto is made up ... maybe it's just how dutch orthography works < 1450559336 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450559724 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450559735 0 :IGLC!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450559735 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450559745 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450559886 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450559898 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren/oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house. He'll orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon. < 1450559907 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450559910 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise/elliott's not hiding over here < 1450559921 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Melvar < 1450559923 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450559929 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Idris < 1450559930 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idris? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450559954 0 :IGLC!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450560186 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450560188 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottom/Bottom is where you might end up with a catamorphism, if not careful. There be balrogs. < 1450560676 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450560944 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450561692 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1450561745 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450561755 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450562010 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a basic idea for something strange to parse < 1450562039 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xml < 1450562052 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Something new < 1450562069 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yml < 1450562098 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: You really aren't very helpful < 1450562113 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1450562282 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: One idea I had for an esosport: Random BNF language < 1450562314 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you have a group of participants. All at the same time, they are given a strange and random grammar (possibly procedurally generated) and told "Go make a language" < 1450562351 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have to write a lexer and parser (they're free to use tools for it) and make a language in the allotted time and at the end, they turn in their languages (WITH DOCS) for judging < 1450563278 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brack14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45920 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+794) 10Started on design < 1450563323 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GOTO++14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45921&oldid=45862 5* 03Tuzepoito 5* (+89) 10Correction < 1450563710 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1450563736 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450563864 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1450563868 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could I make a DSL for? < 1450564576 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450564713 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: board games < 1450564725 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Possibly < 1450564835 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450565036 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450565205 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or card games < 1450565354 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450565864 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450566090 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450566236 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450566357 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450566365 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450566914 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esb57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450566923 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450568050 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450568195 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450569245 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450569259 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450570149 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450570427 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450570570 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could make a DSL specifically for Magic: the Gathering. < 1450570739 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450571860 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esb57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450572016 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450572085 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450572087 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450572365 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 QUIT :Changing host < 1450572365 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@unaffiliated/triggerwarning JOIN :#esoteric < 1450573050 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:18e3:925d:1b23:6980 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450573050 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@unaffiliated/triggerwarning QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450573072 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450573477 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450573962 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Firefox is disabling unsigned addons < 1450573976 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the addon in question is a private one that I wrote for my own use, and isn't signed for obvious reasons < 1450574344 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450576075 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450576869 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450577313 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ocmroiywnmjwofik QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1450577586 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another NN-generated wisdom database entry: < 1450577587 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:41:54: tapebacklogs are a Chu space of something you don't know if it is probably not because I don't know. < 1450577641 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An interesting exclamation: < 1450577642 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:54:10: holy side of the right name < 1450577654 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Holy side of the right name, Batman!" < 1450577655 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the corpus? just wisdom and quotes? < 1450577697 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the #esoteric logs from... < 1450577708 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might have been from the beginning of 2014 up to the time that I downloaded the logs. < 1450577710 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, logs are going to be much better for this sort of thing < 1450577727 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people doing neural network M:tG cards figured out a way to seed the network < 1450577740 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you give it the start of a message, and it completes it for you < 1450577767 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's been a feature of Karpathy's char-rnn from the very beginning. < 1450577782 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have some weather... < 1450577783 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:55:53: LOWI 051750Z AUTO 14001KT 10SM FEW080 SCT064 BKN030 95/18 A2960 RMK CU1 CI TR SLP267 < 1450578025 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Date is the 5th, time is 17:50 UTC. Wind is from 140, at a speed of one knot. Visibility is ten miles. Few clouds at 8,000 feet above ground, scattered clouds at 6,400 feet, and broken clouds at 3,000 feet. < 1450578036 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The temperature is 95 degrees Celsius, holy shit. < 1450578094 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dew point is 18 degrees Celsius. < 1450578278 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find a meaning on Wikipedia for CU1. < 1450578336 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an incredibly arid climate < 1450578384 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's apparently cloud coverage. Only one okta cloud coverage, despite the broken and other cloud layers. < 1450578452 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find a meaning for CI or TR either. < 1450578466 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sea-level pressure is 267 of something. < 1450578534 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ < 1450578535 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 200200Z 26012G18KT 15SM OVC045 M02/M09 A3026 RMK SC8 SLP256 < 1450578544 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI < 1450578545 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 200220Z AUTO 05003KT 350V110 4600 FZBR FEW001 M01/M01 Q1025 < 1450578641 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, let's see. Altimeter setting is 29.60 inches mercury. Sea level pressure is 1,026.7... hectopascals? < 1450578678 0 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450578942 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The altimeter setting is less than the sea level pressure. Does this mean that the airport is below sea level? < 1450578951 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450579076 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The neural net is usually pretty good with boily's quit messages. Here's an interesting exception. < 1450579081 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:47:38: -!- boily has quit (Quit: SCOULN DHICKEN CHICKEN). < 1450579111 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It created this one; I wonder if boily has ever actually used it. < 1450579112 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:19:35: -!- boily has quit (Quit: INTERCAL CHICKEN). < 1450579144 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:03:41: yep, at least in the syntax how to allow a 2 syntax highlighting as a set of bits because it's already a fair people who believe that it's called "trivial ink" < 1450579158 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there are really too many people who think it's called "trivial ink". < 1450579169 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should teach them about how to allow a 2 syntax highlighting. < 1450579212 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to parse that as a real sentence ;___; < 1450579251 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: that's because my real sentences are normally possible to parse < 1450579463 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450579576 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450579664 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450579715 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know some things about PCRE? < 1450579736 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some things about PCRE, but not other things < 1450579837 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know exactly what UTF-8 text is acceptable if you turned off the checking? It says codes up to 31-bits but it doesn't say about if overlong encodings can be used and other stuff like that. < 1450579941 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the things I don't know, sadly < 1450579956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450579968 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the things you do know? < 1450579977 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many to count? < 1450579997 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esb57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450580003 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@esb57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450580013 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know quite a few things about the regex syntax, although sometimes I get them muddled with "actual Perl" regexes < 1450580025 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have some vague memories of what the API is like but I can't remember the details < 1450580165 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is man pages for the API with C and with C++, and I am making the API with SQL, so I wanted to know some of these thing < 1450580284 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For compatibility with other stuff in SQL, it exposes one-based offsets instead of zero-based offsets, and if the PCRE_UTF8 option is selected (or (*UTF8) in the pattern) then it will expose the UTF-8 character offsets instead of the byte offsets, too. < 1450580352 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want to make it so that if you specify option to don't check valid UTF-8 then my program will do it by itself in the less strict but still acceptable way. < 1450581784 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esb57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450582533 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :.{3,10} < 1450582558 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm guessing you know what this matches < 1450582598 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: given that you didn't anchor it (or are you doing that with API options), anything that's at least three characters long ;-) < 1450582607 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is anchored, anything that's between three and ten characters < 1450582608 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct =P < 1450582612 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minus newlines, if you didn't turn on the option < 1450582615 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make . match newlines as well < 1450583194 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about ^1?$|^(11+?)\1+$ < 1450583216 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the relative precedence of ^ and $ compared to \ < 1450583247 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that intended to match all non-prime numbers in unary? < 1450583256 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1450583268 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's possible to do something that works along those lines, that may well be it < 1450583427 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450583690 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450584046 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using callouts you can make it to match only prime numbers (I have tried it). < 1450584266 0 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450585459 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But then you're leaving the regex temporarily < 1450585679 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although my own library provides a callout function that can be used for this (and other) purposes. < 1450585802 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might also be possible without callouts, due to some other features in PCRE. < 1450586179 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: PCRE almost certainly is powerful enough that you don't need callouts < 1450586247 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably. < 1450586275 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it's less than turing-complete without callouts < 1450586281 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you might need them in some cases < 1450586300 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC it's a push-down automaton, which is much more powerful than regular expressions are but still sub-TC) < 1450586387 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting, PCRE allows recursive backreferences < 1450586397 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So (a|b\1)+ is a valid pattern < 1450586422 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not with that syntax I don't think < 1450586438 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I got that directly from the manpage < 1450586445 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, actually that doesn't conflict with anything < 1450586450 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confusing it with something else < 1450586487 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And I was thinking you could use negative lookahead assertions to match primes < 1450586514 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anchoring a negative lookahead assertion is really hard < 1450586520 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's impossible < 1450586536 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I remember an incident a few months (years) back when #esoteric attempted to do it and collectively failed repeatedly for several hours < 1450586543 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe lookbehind assertions too < 1450586675 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: here was the problem (IIRC): you want to write a regex that matches any string that /doesn't/ contain a specific other string < 1450586684 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the specific other string is hardcoded < 1450586712 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do it with the size of the resulting regex linear in the size of the string that you're (not) matching against? < 1450586721 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where "regex" here is typically either Perl-regex or PCRE-regex) < 1450586730 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can't use callouts < 1450586766 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I was trying to eliminate the FSM solution with the "linear in the size" clause but that doesn't actually work < 1450586799 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :size of the string you're matching against + a constant < 1450586835 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so ^(?!.*foo) is too slow. (I think that would work otherwise?) < 1450586888 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not nice at all though < 1450586888 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450586896 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450586917 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: no, it doesn't work < 1450586932 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC < 1450586958 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1450587068 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me read the man page to make sure < 1450587189 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe I'm thinking of some other problem < 1450587192 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does seem to work < 1450587195 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shouldn't be slow? < 1450587258 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the .*foo part isn't implemented "cleverly" as an actual FSA in PCRE/other 'powerful' regex engines, or at least used to not be < 1450587298 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1450587317 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember why, but I think the leading .* would cause issues < 1450587318 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: wouldn't matter, you'd just do a forward search and then negate the result < 1450587322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, yes < 1450587329 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.*foo has the backtrack penalty < 1450587337 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking the ?! wouldn't cost, forgot the .* would < 1450587362 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks < 1450587399 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how would PCRE execute ".*foo"? < 1450587437 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In principle it should be possible to compile into an FSA I think? < 1450587439 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the entire string, look for an f, if you don't find one go back one character and look for an f again, and so on < 1450587447 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1450587452 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's how Perl does it < 1450587457 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCRE has multiple algos < 1450587492 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having multiple algorithms depending on which features are used makes sense I suppose < 1450587507 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, different APIs for them < 1450587512 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1450587513 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default algo worked as I described < 1450587519 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also has an NFA algo which is called DFA for some reason < 1450587552 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's apparently slower < 1450587556 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and produces outputs in a different format < 1450587571 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a joy to use < 1450587573 0 :TellsTogo!3ecd4b91@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.75.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450587581 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably that's "slower on regexes that are optimized for the other algo" < 1450587594 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might reduce the NFA to a DFA (and hence call it that) < 1450587596 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1450587612 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "this isn't really a DFA algorithm because" and then goes on to describe an NFA without using the term < 1450587624 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1450587633 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just poor naming then. Like 'qsort' in the standard library < 1450587684 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1450587700 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that using an NFA or DFA to match a regular expression seems like an obvious case of dynamic programming to me, but someone disagreed. < 1450587709 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe it's not obvious. < 1450587742 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still think it's as reasonable a use of the term as any that I've seen. < 1450587762 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't .*foo be matched like a reverse oof.* assuming you know the size of the input? < 1450587765 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember what "dynamic programming" means anyway < 1450587772 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: not in a lookahead assertion < 1450587783 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it means optimizing a tree to a graph, or something. < 1450587786 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because lookbehind assertions, at least with widely used regex-engines in 2015, can't be vairable length < 1450587791 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*variable < 1450587794 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah, yeah < 1450587882 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me 'dynamic programming' means "break down into potentially overlapping subproblems and don't recompute the same thing twice" < 1450587904 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :either by memoizing or by figuring out an order to compute things so that previous things are already computed < 1450587947 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we need to create a #esoteric dynamic programming language based on the literal meanings of the words "dynamic" and "programming" when they're not in conjunction with each other < 1450587953 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the typical technical meanings < 1450587963 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would just produce something like JS or Perl < 1450587966 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the literal meaning of "programming"? < 1450587973 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, "dynamic" as in the managerese/marketingspeak term < 1450587973 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you still mean in the sense of computer programming. < 1450587981 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "programming" as in the sense of TV programming < 1450587986 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1450588001 0 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450588009 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming in a dynamic, fast-moving environment < 1450588012 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. producing a schedule that shows how modern you are < 1450588030 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we advertise this as a "dynamic programming language" and make people do a triple-take < 1450588061 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly it's about flexible TV show scheduling < 1450588092 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dynamic programming" is a bad name but it's a reasonable concept < 1450588110 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Is what you said the same as what I said? < 1450588110 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a terrible name. I have no idea why it was called that < 1450588122 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is < 1450588150 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of an NFA, you can make an infinite tree corresponding to a regular expression. < 1450588172 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using that tree is like evaluating it with backtracking. < 1450588179 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :With one node for each substring? < 1450588191 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, for each string* < 1450588196 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's the tree you get by degraphing the graph. < 1450588214 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1450588235 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the graph is a DAG you get a finite tree, I guess. < 1450588267 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or another way of looking at it is that when you match with an NFA, you collapse distinct paths through the NFA if they lead to the same states. < 1450588269 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, ah < 1450588328 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a dynamic programming thing where you share work between "subproblems" that lead to the same state. < 1450588341 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you lose things like backreferences, which depend on the actual path taken, not just the state. < 1450588362 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A tree has no problem supporting backreferences because a state and a path are the same thing.) < 1450588387 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's one definition of a tree -- a graph where there's a unique path from the root to each node. < 1450588492 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether you can talk about the free/cofree tree on a graph (or a DAG). < 1450588495 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that's something. < 1450588561 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is a unique free tree, is there? < 1450588597 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definition of "free" is basically "any two things are distinct unless you can prove them equal using the axioms" < 1450588624 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's the definition of free algebraic structures on a set in universal algerba. < 1450588636 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how well it extends to things between other categories. < 1450588904 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"F(G) is a free tree on G" would mean something like "for any tree T, tree homomorphisms : F(G) -> T are in natural correspondence with graph homomorphisms : G -> T" < 1450589678 0 :TellsTogo!3ecd4b91@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.75.145 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1450589940 0 :TellsTogo!3ecd4b91@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.75.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450590755 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw1-54fa3f-129.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450591514 0 :aloril!~aloril@84.250.63.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450592135 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450592313 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1450592329 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450593540 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450593613 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can see my PCRE wrapper library and you can tell me the comment/question/suggestion/complaint/whatever. It is in the ZIP archive: http://zzo38computer.org/sql/sqlext.zip < 1450593773 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1450594057 0 :andrew_!~andrew@14.154.166.229 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450594653 0 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450595700 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1450596422 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :øøh rjan < 1450596497 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shichaf < 1450596517 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1450596518 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 200720Z 26007KT CAVOK 05/05 Q0990 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 11003KT < 1450596522 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1450596522 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 200653Z 32005KT 10SM CLR 08/03 A3013 RMK AO2 SLP201 T00830033 < 1450596878 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450597773 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? treant < 1450597784 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Treants are genericized ents for intellectual property reasons < 1450597797 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/$/./' wisdom/treant < 1450597800 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450597836 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? termite < 1450597837 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :termite? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450597855 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Termites are genericized ants for intellectual property reasons. < 1450597857 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'termite': Termites are genericized ants for intellectual property reasons. < 1450597927 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are marmites? < 1450597986 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? marmite < 1450597987 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marmite is a group mind of fungal microorganisms spreading throughout the supermarkets of the Commonwealth. < 1450597993 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1450598005 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vegemite < 1450598006 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vegemite? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450598027 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Vegemite is genericized marmite for intellectual property reasons. < 1450598029 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'vegemite': Vegemite is genericized marmite for intellectual property reasons. < 1450598235 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ant < 1450598236 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ants are great architects. They are famous for their highways. < 1450599597 0 :TellsTogo!3ecd4b91@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.75.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1450599773 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*ghost* < 1450599775 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/ghost < 1450599788 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*ghast* < 1450599789 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/ghast < 1450599870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*oul* < 1450599871 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/coulor \ wisdom/ghoul < 1450599880 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coulor < 1450599881 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coulor is the correct spelling. < 1450599891 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1450600090 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep -il 'correct spelling' wisdom < 1450600092 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/coulor \ wisdom/nooodl \ wisdom/mauris < 1450600129 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mauris < 1450600130 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maur is the correct spelling < 1450600144 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's kind-of clever on two levels < 1450600325 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm wisdom/{elronnd,b_jonas} < 1450600327 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `wisdom/b_jonas': No such file or directory < 1450600338 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm wisdom/b_jona < 1450600340 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450600354 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elronnd < 1450600355 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elronnd? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450600508 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450600795 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450601059 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? economy < 1450601060 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :economy? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450601723 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450601770 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450602297 0 :TellsTogo!3ecd7d76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.125.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450603255 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450604234 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I need to come up with a cover photo for the thesis book. < 1450604247 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Technically the image is optional, but everyone seems to have had one.) < 1450604289 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have to be serious? < 1450604570 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should probably at least appear serious to a casual observer. < 1450604602 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what sort of "thesis book" is this? < 1450604612 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The printed version of my doctoral thesis. < 1450604619 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1450604641 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least at this university, all printed doctoral theses look identical apart from the date, author name, and number of pages < 1450604650 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the binding is plain and consistent for all theses, going back years in some cases < 1450604659 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the topic < 1450604661 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it changes when they go to a new bookbinding company as they don't all have identical equipment) < 1450604713 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At Aalto, they have a "series" for them, with some unifying graphical elements (the cover is one out of 7 fixed colors), but there's a special place for a cover photo, which will be enclosed in one out of three shapes (a circle, a cross or an octagon). < 1450604737 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they all look kind of similar, but the contents of the cover image shape are up to the author. < 1450604816 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/tmp/diss_vaihtoehdot.pdf < 1450604832 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The light blue color has been discontinued.) < 1450604848 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Noise robust speech recognition, more or less. < 1450604880 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the university was still the Helsinki University of Technology, I think they had un-customizable covers. But they made this new "visual identity" as part of the merger into Aalto University. < 1450604984 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cross-shaped photo cutout looks awful < 1450605018 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I feel that noisy speech deserves a photo of an oscilloscope display showing something meaningful < 1450605072 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean. There's been several where the cover image has incorporated a spectrogram of something, it's kind of overly obvious. < 1450605120 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine deals with reverberation, I was thinking of running a 2D sound wave simulation thing (with the cutout shape as walls) and then doing some sort of a visualization on it. < 1450605141 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know if it'd look any good, and there's a nonzero amount of effort to do that. < 1450605154 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the thesis a considerably nonzero amount of effort anyway? < 1450605171 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting my thesis bound took about two or three days of effort, mostly chasing up bookbinders and couriers < 1450605199 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nonzero amount of purely optional effort. < 1450605202 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest is kind of mandatory. < 1450605237 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was still a mistake in the binding but a harmless one (we have an author declaration form which we sign to say it isn't plagiarised; it was only meant to be in one physical copy, but they bound it into both, and this is despite me contacting them via email to ask them how to request it to only be placed in one copy, and then making the request in the way they suggested) < 1450605340 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading the publication instructions today (to see what they say about the covers), and apparently the printing house is the one who compiles the electronic version the library's going to use, too. I'm somewhat afraid this will wipe out all the hyperlinks and the TOC metadata from the PDF. < 1450605452 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was quite different from me, they asked me to PDFify it myself < 1450605458 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also gave links for an online Word-to-PDF conversion service < 1450605479 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had hyperlinks, TOC metadata, and also had to take some font encoding care to make sure it'd copy-paste properly < 1450605485 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise the plagiarism detector would have had a fit < 1450605669 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Well, we've got this "publication platform" where you fill in the changeable parts (like titles, abstracts, and the cover stuff) and provide a contents PDF, and then you can turn that into an order for Unigrafia, a printing house owned by our university, University of Helsinki, and two other nearby ones. < 1450605756 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, owned by a holding company owned by our university, anyway.) < 1450606007 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't yet know if the library's going to publish the e-copy with articles, either. For the ones with copyright transfers, I've technically got permissions for an electronic version as well, but some of them had conditions like "the download page must prominently display a note saying this and that". < 1450606008 0 :andrew_!~andrew@14.154.166.229 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450606134 0 :andrew_!~andrew@14.154.166.229 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450606196 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was quite surprised with the copyright status on the thesis (they said I keep the copyright, and asked for a very limited license to be able to hold it in the library and host the online version) < 1450606203 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, on my thesis < 1450606212 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I'm complaining < 1450606252 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the case for the part of the thesis I wrote exclusively for the thesis, too. But it's a compilation one, so the articles have been published in conferences and journals. < 1450606333 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1450606338 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those can be a pain copyrightwise < 1450606362 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the journal articles was to a very open-access one, though -- they only wanted a CC-BY license for the article, with no copyright transfer, which was nice. < 1450606532 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember hearing from the gone-before that IEEE used to require an explicit license agreement, but that seems to no longer be the case. "The IEEE does not require individuals working on a thesis to obtain a formal reuse license, however, you may print out this statement to be used as a permission grant." < 1450606546 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got one of those e-publication conditions, though. < 1450606667 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :("please display the following message in a prominent place on the website" + a non-endorsement note and a link how to obtain a license for further republication.) < 1450606693 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of the compilation dissertations on our library page have just been published without the articles. < 1450606698 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably for this sort of reasons. < 1450606699 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well cc-by is a very permissive license < 1450606710 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so asking someone to license under it is quite a big request < 1450606754 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: lunch < 1450606778 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps "if we're not making any money out of this, neither are you" is what they were thinking. < 1450606815 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1450606892 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The disadvantage of using ssh and a chromebook to do most of my programming on is that I don't know any server I can access with OpenCL or Cuda or something similar on it < 1450606935 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's a nightclub in York called Kuda but that's not the same thing < 1450607000 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't your university have a thing? < 1450607056 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :None I know of with a GPU < 1450607114 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a couple of GPU nodes on the shared cluster you could reserve for serious use, and for fiddling around they had (not very powerful, but better than nothing) Nvidia Quadro cards in the Linux workstations, so you could use one that nobody was using. < 1450607213 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you remotely get into a computer with a graphics card in a classroom, or something like that? < 1450607289 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I can, but they don't have the libs installed as far as I can tell < 1450607359 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know which are turned on and booted into linux < 1450607518 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. I think ours had the CUDA packages installed. < 1450607561 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also they were all permanently in one operating system, though of course sometimes just randomly off.) < 1450607717 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of our lab PCs dual-boot between Ubuntu 14.04 and Windows 7 < 1450607725 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some can also boot into Windows 10 < 1450607736 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450607823 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy and flexible. < 1450607850 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder why we had separate rooms for Linux and Windows machines. Maybe a license thing. < 1450607873 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea how Windows volume licensing works, and whether there's a per-machine cost component.) < 1450608024 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450608357 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The university probably has upwards of 1000 windows machines, a few more that also can boot into Linux I don't think would hurt < 1450608879 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450609068 0 :TellsTogo!3ecd7d76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.125.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1450610088 0 :TellsTogo!3ecd7d76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.125.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450610388 0 :TellsTogo!3ecd7d76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.125.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1450611213 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45922&oldid=45768 5* 03YourDeathIsComing 5* (-54) 10 < 1450611392 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450611655 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450611684 0 :TellsTogo!3ecd7d76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.125.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450611687 0 :TellsTogo!3ecd7d76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.125.118 QUIT :Client Quit < 1450612195 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450612286 0 :TellsTogo!~TellsTogo@62.205.125.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450613382 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ł < 1450613396 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0142 LATIN SMALL LETTER L WITH STROKE] < 1450613458 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode $ < 1450613459 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0024 DOLLAR SIGN] < 1450613634 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450613945 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 20ac < 1450613955 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​€ < 1450614107 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1450614269 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ¤ < 1450614271 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00A4 CURRENCY SIGN] < 1450614618 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450615915 0 :andrew_!~andrew@14.154.166.229 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450616221 0 :andrew_!~andrew@14.154.166.229 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450616307 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450616343 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450617159 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450617525 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Qwerty12302 5* 10New user account < 1450618649 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450618895 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450619330 0 :andrew_!~andrew@14.154.166.229 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450619458 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gtltem14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45923 5* 03Qwerty12302 5* (+1688) 10Created page with "'''gtltem''' (greater than, less than, exclamation mark) is an esoteric language created by username qwerty12302 in 2015. The language consists only of three characters: <, > ..." < 1450619532 0 :TellsGoto!~TellsTogo@62.205.125.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450619708 0 :TellsTogo!~TellsTogo@62.205.125.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450620233 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450620256 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450620955 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450621143 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1450622572 0 :tjt263!~RAPSCA77I@unaffiliated/tjt263 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450625018 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450625273 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450625635 0 :sat-buddhi!~satbuddhi@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450625836 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450626460 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450626566 0 :sat-buddhi!~satbuddhi@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1450627118 0 :tjt263!~RAPSCA77I@unaffiliated/tjt263 PART #esoteric :"part" < 1450628945 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450629136 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450632916 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450633180 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450633361 0 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-bgavryppoolwrogx QUIT :Excess Flood < 1450633536 0 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-endbctwopbnllekt JOIN :#esoteric < 1450633941 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450633989 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :rdy < 1450634003 0 :rdy!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1450635182 0 :boily!~alexandre@173.178.181.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450635612 0 :boily!~alexandre@173.178.181.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB < 1450635612 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 201800Z 26010G17KT 25SM FEW030 SCT048 BKN150 M05/M12 A3031 RMK SC1SC2AC2 SHWR NE SLP272 < 1450635701 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One reason to have separate room for Windows and Linux might just be to make it clear where they are. < 1450635746 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the computers can dual-boot then that wouldn't be necessary for that purpose, but is still possible) < 1450635775 0 :boily!~alexandre@173.178.181.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. partitioning your house so multiple OSes can cohabit? < 1450635998 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do that at work, separate rooms for linux and windows machines < 1450636028 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's mostly so a) you know where to go to find a particular OS, b) if a lot of people need to use the same room for some reason they probably also need to use the same OS < 1450637046 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450637476 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes those are the reasons I have meant. < 1450637488 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1450637490 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't meant your house, I did mean in an office or at school. < 1450637551 0 :boily!~alexandre@173.178.181.173 QUIT :Quit: STRAIGHTENED CHICKEN < 1450637811 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450638766 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1450638887 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added 奨奪奮姓姻娘娠娯婚婦婿媒媛嫁嫉嫡嬢寂寄密寡寧審寮 אּבּגּדּהּוּזּ﬷טּיּךּכּלּ﬽מּ﬿שׁשׂשּׁשּׂאַאָנּסּ﭂ףּפּ﭅צּקּרּשּתּוֹבֿכֿפֿﭏיִﬞײַﬠ ꝊꝋꝌꝍꝎꝏꝐꝑꝒꝓꝔꝕ ꙀꙁꙂꙃꙄꙅꙆꙇꙈꙉ < 1450638949 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the neural net seems to have figured out that fungot responds to its name. < 1450638949 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: and for the times ahead) and the ability to constrain matching. when you say foo for a in m: < 1450638987 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KGRR < 1450638987 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KGRR 201853Z 21019G24KT 10SM BKN250 07/M04 A3003 RMK AO2 PK WND 20026/1843 SLP178 T00721044 < 1450639013 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a 21019G24KT? < 1450639104 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@olist 988 < 1450639104 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No module "988" loaded < 1450639184 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:00:31: fungot: Who just zero links to it? < 1450639184 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:16:44: mroman: and i find a nice shit in a map to call the [ (as in Haskell.) < 1450639184 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i was looking at < 1450639184 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: 3 would be nice. i think < 1450639356 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450639547 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of these characters, specifically ﬷﬽﬿﭂﭅, don't officially exist. But they can be inferred from the characters around them. < 1450639565 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESSB < 1450639566 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSB 201920Z 22012KT 9999 BKN026 12/07 Q1000 R30/19//70 < 1450639649 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode פּ﭅צּ < 1450639656 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you heard him. Serve three lines, please < 1450639661 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+FB44 HEBREW LETTER PE WITH DAGESH \ UTF-8: ef ad 84 UTF-16BE: fb44 Decimal: פּ \ פּ \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: R (Right-to-Left) \ Decomposition: 05E4 05BC \ \ U+FB45 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: ef ad 85 UTF-16BE: fb45 Decimal: ﭅ \ ﭅ (﭅) \ Uppercase: U+FB45 \ Category: Cn (Other, Not A < 1450639662 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :him? or maybe 'it' < 1450639681 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is your preferred pronoun? < 1450639681 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: choke and die at some point and dubbed it newio. :s :s :s :s :s < 1450639688 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1450639849 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't think FireFly's question warrants such a response. < 1450639849 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it's as problematic as extreme conciseness " too short" is quite a understatement. fnord < 1450639905 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode property is terrible that what you need it to do can depend on what you are using with private use areas and with other stuff; such thing should be either in the font metrics or in the locale data depending on what kind of properties they are. < 1450639927 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so, what *is* your preferred pronoun? < 1450639927 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it's on-topic, because i'm not on sisc :p < 1450639945 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you saying your preferred pronoun is "it"? < 1450639945 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: might need a special form, rather than call itself directly. < 1450639959 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a special form, you say? Which one did you have in mind? < 1450639960 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: but the real wtf is that. but you should be upgraded to di < 1450639988 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I should upgrade the pronoun I use for you to "di"? I can do that. < 1450640026 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the impression that fungot would prefer a longer pronoun given their aversion to extreme consiseness above < 1450640026 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: what is the reason i've been fnord < 1450640039 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. 'fnord'. that would explain a thing or five < 1450640051 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so "fnord" it is, then? < 1450640051 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: if i do anything, but it doesn't expose them < 1450640102 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I got the impression that the pronoun was extremely short and problematic for that reason < 1450640108 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only such pronoun that really fits is the null string < 1450640117 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1450640140 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a nice interpretation, let's go with that < 1450640251 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that di has made dir desires pretty clear here. < 1450640270 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's give dim what di wants. The choice is dis. < 1450640938 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fungot have any more wisdom for us today? < 1450640938 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: now this service won't even stop :p) < 1450640946 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell b_jonas I added a sample in Serbian to be font demo, which uses ј < 1450640947 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1450640947 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450640950 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy/mnoqy used to be monqy before the earthquake. < 1450641086 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641088 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :305) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one < 1450641195 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote z < 1450641196 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6) what, you mean that wasn't your real name? Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. \ 13) Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. \ 20) IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es fals < 1450641259 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 20 < 1450641260 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20) IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler! < 1450641311 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 42 < 1450641312 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :42) ??? Are the cocks actually just implanted dildos? Or are there monster dildos and cocks? Or are both the dildos and cocks monster? < 1450641317 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at German writing < 1450641379 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dicks. < 1450641399 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641400 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :600) elliott: young john soon afterward receives as a visitor a fnord spaniard, fnord de moncada, who has escaped from fnord fnord dissolved in the absolute. < 1450641415 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641415 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :73) Making a small shrine to Lawlabee in my basement is something I should get around to at some point. < 1450641422 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641423 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :583) COCKS [...] truly cocks < 1450641428 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641429 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :499) elliott_: it's a machine that looks like you! < 1450641434 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641435 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :65) Ah, vulva. What is that, anyway? < 1450641437 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, a good fungot quote < 1450641437 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i couldn't gotten all this information in the format < 1450641445 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641446 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :929) if you say "java" three times to a dark mirror does steele come out and lecture you about operator overloading < 1450641451 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641453 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1112) NihilistDandy: HOLY FUCK THAT'S STILL ALIVE? Maybe I should look into it < 1450641457 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -i cocks quotes | wc -l < 1450641458 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1450641473 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641474 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1089) Do you like this kind of melody? l8 e4gc'fac'g ^bd'fgfed e4gc'fac'g ^1 < 1450641499 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641500 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :431) i try to be a hermit but it's hard with all these housemates. < 1450641506 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641507 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1214) I got my girlfriend through the previous job's intranet IRC channel, so I don't see how the two can conflict... < 1450641522 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641523 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :744) moral of the story with enough peer pressure nything is possible < 1450641525 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like music? < 1450641539 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641539 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :854) also if a GNU tar feature doesn't make you feel superior to others then you should file a bug report, it was probably unintentional < 1450641553 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641554 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :833) Do physicists have half-life crises? < 1450641560 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641561 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1013) shachaf: make friends. help people. find ways to help people be happy. hug people. have fun. make the world a little bit better. < 1450641581 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ok < 1450641871 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641872 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :120) cpressey, oh go to zzo's website. He is NIH AnMaster, really? I was strongly under the impression that zzo was invented here. < 1450641898 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641899 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :48) both of you, quit it with the f-bombs. kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in? < 1450641915 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1450641916 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :270) and then there's the slightly annoying one where suddenly, i start rolling forward and i can't stop like i can be having some great sex dream or whatever and then suddenly "oh god not this again" (i go "not this again" but not necessarily realize it's a dream) < 1450641933 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oren < 1450641934 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1226) when i was a kid it used to snow on christmas eve. what is this "freezing rain", "sleet" crap? yeah seriously, who is evn in charge anymore? apparently not santa claus Santa Claus is dead by now. \ 1227) <{\[oren]|}> zzo38:it will cause problems by < 1450641937 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like 120 because it just reads like i'm being a snarky asshole about the phrasing < 1450641948 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :que < 1450641962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the actual joke was that zzo is so weird that you sometimes wonder if he actually is a chatbot written in malbolge or twoducks or something < 1450641996 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1227 < 1450641997 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1227) <{\[oren]|}> zzo38:it will cause problems by being hilarious < 1450642031 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 666 < 1450642032 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :666) Benchmarks are only a good measure of surprise < 1450642060 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450642067 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sometimes I'm reading something on a random site I don't normally visit on the website, and suddenly realise it was almost certainly written by zzo38 < 1450642088 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rare that you can distinguish a particular person out of the entire world's population by something they wrote, but some people have very distinctive styles < 1450642150 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450642187 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1450642208 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, never quite sure < 1450642211 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it feels very likely < 1450642223 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most recently it was on the c2 wiki < 1450642233 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you posted there in the past? < 1450642238 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not then it must have been someone else < 1450642265 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have posted there in the past yes, but now I cannot post on there anymore < 1450642307 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wrote some things about music macro language and so on) < 1450642528 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look, < 1450642531 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gamesdonequick.com/schedule < 1450642537 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's been up for a while < 1450642544 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way, I checked a lot < 1450642545 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it gets more precise over time < 1450642551 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be older than a few days < 1450642552 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was on a temporary page for a while I think < 1450642578 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see what goodness they will have this year < 1450642723 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: food; might or might not be back on later < 1450642779 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I so wish they started to include the name of the console or system in that table, for the benefit of people like me who are less into speedrunning. < 1450642786 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450642947 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you only interested in certain systems? < 1450642959 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1450642970 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would make it easier to identify the games than from just names < 1450642975 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1450642979 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true < 1450642999 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially for series that have both an old and more recent game with the same name, such as Ninja Gaiden < 1450643007 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some of the games are even ambiguous, because they have speedrunnable ports to multiple systems, which are sometimes different. < 1450643073 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crypt of the Necrodancer is that popular rhythm game that pretends to be a roguelike, right? < 1450643089 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bonus incentive < 1450643131 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that I think < 1450643133 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't played it < 1450643148 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope the pokemon glitch exhibition incentive gets met < 1450643184 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Prince of Persia” played by CapnClever. There are multiple different ports of it, though only one that the speedrunners play, the one with lots of extra levels; plus there's another later game with the same name but that one is crap < 1450643195 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to watch this one < 1450643282 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! an Age of Empires speedrun. great! < 1450643291 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Grand Theft Auto 3 too < 1450643371 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Master Quest, The” - how is that different compared to just Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time? < 1450643395 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus there's some classic games < 1450643481 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the name of that platformer with very simple graphics where gravity reverses every time the character lands? < 1450643545 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 4p co-op! that will be interesting < 1450643574 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a TASBot block too < 1450643593 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Metroid reverse block order? nice < 1450643648 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah nice! Mike Tyson's Punch-Out blindfolded! They did that before and it's always great < 1450643675 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Age of Empires category is "IL Showcase". what does that mean? < 1450643716 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think IL is individual level(s) < 1450643732 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess speedrunning individual campaign maps or something < 1450643797 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :OoT MQ have slightly harder bosses than regular OoT I think, or the dungeons are slightly harder in some way < 1450643808 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Hyrule is mirrored, because supposedly that makes it harder < 1450643862 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom too < 1450643917 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mario Kart 64 as bonus incentive < 1450643934 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope some of the awful games will be amusing < 1450643939 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure! < 1450643949 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roundabout cutscene% last SGDQ was a lot of un < 1450643952 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :of fun, too < 1450643980 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wolfenstein: The Old Blood" - um, what's that? is that plain Wolfenstein, or something else? < 1450644007 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a new game < 1450644016 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was released on May 5, 2015" < 1450644021 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1450644059 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also Super Mario Bros, Pokémon Yellow glitchless, and Super Mario 64 120 stars < 1450644085 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and Super Monkey Ball of course < 1450644089 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always look forward to that < 1450644102 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaizo Mario Bros. 3 < 1450644104 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gotta be good < 1450644114 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that is < 1450644135 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kaizo mario games are these crazy super mario romhacks < 1450644153 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450644156 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkMuNRjodCQ ← as an example < 1450644156 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't those have some other name? Um, < 1450644224 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1450644229 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implemented many callouts in my PCRE wrapper library now (some of which are not yet released); do you have some kind of idea of what others could be added too? < 1450644249 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confusing it with that popular Super Mario World hack that demands lots of precision < 1450644283 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1450644316 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, they're playing Super Mario World race of course, and Yoshi's Island as a bonus incentive < 1450644382 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450644410 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. Age of Empires and Grand Theft Auto 3 are played by the same player. Why are there so many players that play both of those games? < 1450644426 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something shared in them? Super mouse skills? < 1450644428 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea < 1450644442 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but I'm not particularly good at either of those < 1450644505 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a ton of Mega Man games played, identified by numbers only, and I can't really place them since they don't tell the system. < 1450644663 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that if a Magic: the Gathering card would have an ability "Sacrifice target creature: You gain 1 life" then you will not gain any life because the target is not valid by the time it is going to resolve (but you may be able to use another effect to change the target to a valid one). < 1450644686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: yopumpkin < 1450644703 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450644710 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why you aren't supposed to put targets in the cost < 1450644925 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of such thing? < 1450645039 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think putting targets in the cost would be a good idea. < 1450645070 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it might be interesting if the cost was something other than sacrificing. < 1450645088 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Remove a jam from target creature: You gain 1 life" < 1450645103 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you want something better than gaining 1 life. < 1450645112 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it should be at least 2 life. < 1450645120 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "jam"? < 1450645121 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something other than gaining life. < 1450645129 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that sort of thing would give your opponent an opportunity to sabotage your ability. < 1450645138 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: A +1/+1 counter, I guess. < 1450645229 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can be an interesting kind of thing and if the target is no longer valid then it won't give you any life points or whatever else the effect might be, so any player can potentially stop it in that way. Even then, if another effect allows to redirect you can make it continue to work again, I think. < 1450645271 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may have to amend the illegal actions rules first on how to revert consequences of targetting, for targetting can trigger triggers. < 1450645385 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how that is an issue. < 1450645392 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really an issue < 1450645574 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think that even in the "sacrifice target creature" case you could cause the ability to work by using an effect that changes the target. < 1450645670 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07DStack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45924&oldid=45371 5* 03-Dark-Phantom- 5* (+6) 10/* String Literals */ < 1450645695 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Can you cast Hex, target a Wild Cantor with it, pay for the Hex by saccing the same Wild Cantor, and still have the Hex succeed? < 1450645721 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You control the Wild Cantor. < 1450645827 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spell fails only if all of its targets are now illegal. < 1450645839 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, but I'm not sure casting can work in that order < 1450645851 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to choose targets before paying costs < 1450645858 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scow is that if a spell has an optional target, if that target becomes illegal, the whole spell fizzles. < 1450645869 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you have to choose the targets before choosing how to pay, because of strive or whatever that mechanic is called, < 1450645888 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't you check the spell for valid targets after paying? < 1450645902 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450645906 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1450645955 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450645966 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ais returned < 1450646011 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think target are checked at 601.2c and 601.2e, and then after that you determine the cost, get a mana step if the cost includes mana, and then you pay the cost, and then the spell is considered to be successfully cast. < 1450646084 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1450646113 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Effects that would alter the cost during the mana step do not alter the cost; the cost is locked in before the mana step, and the rules give an example.) < 1450646130 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the costs are locked in < 1450646146 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you determine how you'd pay for all the cost, then pay all costs according to that < 1450646160 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't say what happens if the spell goes missing during the process of casting it, although it would seem that the spell is still considered as successfully cast (although it will never resolve in this case). < 1450646181 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the side effects of paying the costs don't influence how much cost you pay. < 1450646189 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450646202 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, this looks fine < 1450646244 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I grepped, and it seems like there's no activated ability with the targets mentioned in the cost. < 1450646254 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to check for spells with additional costs though. < 1450646318 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, no such thing either it seems < 1450646412 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to appear in alternate costs either < 1450646470 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(alternate costs like that of Daze) < 1450646540 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1450646660 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1450646759 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One situation where a spell could go missing during the process of being cast, is, I suppose, if you manage to cast a spell owned by another player in a multiplayer game, but that player concedes during your mana step. < 1450647022 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450647371 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you activate Echo Chamber while you do not have four manas in your mana pool, are you allowed to choose not to activate it if opponent chooses the target that you don't want? < 1450647418 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dunno, probably. < 1450647509 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you control a copy of a spell owned by a player and that player concedes, is the copy still on the stack? < 1450647527 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it isn't a physical object and so they don't need to take it home with them, I guess there's no reason for it not to be < 1450647536 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me to see < 1450647547 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they own the copy then it is removed < 1450647557 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450647560 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I've no idea how the multiplayer rules work < 1450647611 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A copy of a spell is owned by the player under whose control it was put on the stack." < 1450647681 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450647682 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So probably the copy is still on the stack if you control it. < 1450647853 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 800.4a says that all objects owned by players who leave the game will be removed, whether they are cards or tokens or something else it does not matter, they are still removed if the owner of those objects is no longer in the game. < 1450647985 0 :TellsGoto!~TellsTogo@62.205.125.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450649536 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450649811 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450650488 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can steal control of a copy of a spell using Commandeer, I think < 1450650533 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and then it is owned by different player than who controls it. < 1450651409 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :select cast(pcre_replace('(?=\d)(?C148)\d+|[WUBRG](?C1)|X|\([A-Z0]/.\)(?C1)|(?=\(\d)\((?C148)\d+/.\)','0',-11,-1) as int); -- Do you like this? < 1450651429 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :very readable < 1450651520 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you see its working or its meaning or purpose of such a code? < 1450651581 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's allowing a db engine (presumably sqlite) to call out to pcre < 1450651610 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although it is not what I meant; I meant if you can guess what this specific code and pattern is for. < 1450651611 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were talking about mtg and then you posted this 100 character regex out of the blue < 1450651793 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Funciton14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45925&oldid=44356 5* 03Timwi 5* (+1) 10 < 1450651842 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I didn't count < 1450652034 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'select cast(pcre_replace(@(?=\d)(?C148)\d+|[WUBRG](?C1)|X|\([A-Z0]/.\)(?C1)|(?=\(\d)\((?C148)\d+/.\)@,@0@,-11,-1) as int);' | wc -c < 1450652035 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :123 < 1450652099 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:680:c400:e360:a1b5:d822:f42c:d0d JOIN :#esoteric < 1450652138 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a rough estimate < 1450652306 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450652593 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450652871 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: SLIMY CHICKEN < 1450652900 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1450653230 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450653294 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fun to commit the faux pas of pronouncing it as folks pass. < 1450653484 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1450653995 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1450655368 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know any file system that mounts compressed archives? < 1450655665 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuser? < 1450655688 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that kind of fs < 1450656017 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: given the [WUBRG] I'm going to guess it matches a Magic mana cost or something < 1450656281 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450656527 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450657055 0 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@67-2-193-95.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450657246 0 :Todpunk!Tod@67-2-11-107.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450657367 0 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-194-175.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450657367 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lthxwiyazrwrrhjd JOIN :#esoteric < 1450657380 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But colorless is also a color now. < 1450657388 0 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@67-2-193-95.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1450657651 0 :oren!~oren@52.2.213.98 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450657675 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\quit < 1450657679 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1450657691 0 :oren!?@? NICK :\oren\ < 1450657785 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1450657899 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :今ボアリは! < 1450657986 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna head up to CYYB tomorrow, so I've switched to ircing thru my web server < 1450658082 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYB < 1450658082 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYB 210000Z 16012KT 15SM OVC230 M02/M06 A3000 RMK CI8 SLP182 < 1450658226 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :コレンバンは! < 1450658251 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :僕はケベック市にいます < 1450658304 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYB is a little in the middle of Nowhere, Ontario... < 1450658339 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1450658380 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :コンベリャンは! < 1450658430 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB < 1450658431 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 210000Z 25005KT 15SM FEW030 BKN100 OVC210 M07/M11 A3034 RMK SC1AS7CI1 SC TR SLP282 < 1450658436 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1450658437 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 210000Z 13006KT 15SM BKN038 OVC140 M02/M07 A3034 RMK SC7AC1 SLP278 < 1450658442 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYOW < 1450658443 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYOW 210000Z 12007KT 15SM BKN130 BKN180 BKN240 M04/M07 A3027 RMK AC5AC1CI1 SLP260 < 1450658994 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᚷᚩᚩᛞ ᛒᚩᛁᛚᛖᚾᛁᛝ < 1450659232 0 :TellsTogo!~TellsTogo@62.205.125.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450659348 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a DSL for something < 1450659352 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure what < 1450659379 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, this is scary. Network providers are trying to do "interesting" things with routing where they parse the TCP and UDP headers but break traffic that isn't TCP or UDP or that doesn't use TCP the way they expect. < 1450659396 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: why on earth do you want to go there? < 1450659414 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So people build protocols that pretend to use TCP and UDP the ordinary way, but actually use it to tunnel something completely different through it, so that the routers don't break their stuff. < 1450659426 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UDP more commonly < 1450659437 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's an arms race! Eventually routers will try to parse the nested protocols, then people nest some more, < 1450659453 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people will be sending packets with hundreds of bytes of nested header just to fool rooters. < 1450659469 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: funnily, multi-path TCP is trying to be based on TCP in such a way that it's transparent to routers. < 1450659469 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :routers shouldn't break non-TCP/UDP packets :( < 1450659479 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. Textgen whynot. < 1450659479 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that arms race should break pretty fast the moment the users include ssl anywhere in the mix < 1450659489 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450659490 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: they shouldn't, yes. That's why IP and TCP are separate layers, the routers have to speak only IP. < 1450659515 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps video game enemy AIs? < 1450659521 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or TBRPGs? < 1450659641 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@2601:680:c400:e360:a1b5:d822:f42c:d0d JOIN :#esoteric < 1450659678 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@2601:680:c400:e360:a1b5:d822:f42c:d0d QUIT :Changing host < 1450659678 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@unaffiliated/triggerwarning JOIN :#esoteric < 1450659728 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most routers already have NAT which involves parsing UDP and TCP anyway < 1450659754 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: exactly < 1450659770 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just the start, some firewall stuff does much more than that < 1450659831 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, IPv4 doesn't have enough info for NAT < 1450659857 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv6 doesn't either AIUI, but it obviates NAT in a lot of cases < 1450660134 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:680:c400:e360:a1b5:d822:f42c:d0d QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450660135 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@unaffiliated/triggerwarning QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450660173 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelloppro! are you calgarying now? < 1450660269 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1450661052 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450663356 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450663449 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: where do you go when you vacation? < 1450663449 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: javascript is cool xd space...) and expr within a string rewriting language, but without getting lost in it < 1450663486 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450663554 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450664312 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so you're saying javascript is ok to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there? < 1450664312 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you probably consed them in the future. < 1450664338 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how do you know that? are you a dreen? < 1450664338 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whats up? girlfriend trouble? i recently upgraded glibc 2.3.3 2.3.4, and now he's speaking english d: < 1450664377 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: uhm, that is a rather personal question < 1450664377 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i do, but don't have enough space to copy it < 1450664395 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FirelloFly. remember, fungot has two girlfriends. < 1450664395 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: riastradh will get sick of macosx, macosx, windows), then < 1450664402 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i think girlfriend trouble presupposes a girlfriend < 1450664403 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then you have my undying admiration or wonder". i just want to be < 1450664409 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1450664441 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it feel to be admired by fungot? < 1450664442 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the variable file is not present in the cheese help to counteract the ill effects of sword swallowing. design: letters sent to sword swallowers requesting information on technique and complications. setting: membership lists of the form < 1450664467 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hollow hth < 1450664507 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1450664507 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1450664553 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc is the true fungot style < 1450664554 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ' issue' should be distinguished. piracetam also helps healthy people. i have a problem < 1450664578 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm sorry. Can I help you somehow with your distinguished issue? < 1450664579 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: most things are built to develop. :) " hey, we'll do it together) < 1450664599 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying that you feel your codebase has been neglected, fungot? < 1450664600 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: okay, gotcha. didn't think of < 1450664681 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450664771 0 :andrew_!~andrew@119.139.17.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450664934 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1450665760 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1450665775 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a programming language for which the bulk is Itertools and Functools? < 1450666117 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't functional Turing tarpits basically languages based on functools(ish)? < 1450666131 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming functools have, like, at least composition and const < 1450666164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450666871 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa, what's this "incompressibility method" thing and why did no one tell me about it? < 1450667269 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKI combinators FTW! < 1450667279 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf. what's an incompressibility method? < 1450667331 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a trick which is too long to type about on my phone hth < 1450667361 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't know the details anyway < 1450667425 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is apparently that if you want to know the average runtime of an algorithm, or something like that, you can pick a special representative "incompressible" input and look at the runtime for that one input < 1450667450 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe there point is that it isn't special < 1450667510 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is representative, so many statements about it will extend to almost all inputs < 1450667526 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1450667572 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something everything something... < 1450667634 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway kolmogorov complexity is p. nifty < 1450668520 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Colorless is not also a color now; it is just that now there is the symbol that can be paid only by colorless mana. I think still, if you choose a color you can't choose colorless, and something that has both colorless and colored mana costs is not colorless (unless it has the devoid ability), etc < 1450668565 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once Wizards of the Coast will say what letter represents the colorless mana symbol then I can put that in too. < 1450668643 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That command does match a mana cost for Magic: the Gathering though; it is deciding the converted mana cost of a card if the full mana cost is the input of that (given as '0' in the example). < 1450668896 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 'U' for blue mana official? I thought it was just a convention < 1450668903 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is official. < 1450668915 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is even in the rules. < 1450668957 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see < 1450669001 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See rule 202.2a < 1450669269 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450669535 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450671111 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is the stupidest harem anime setup in the history of stupid harem anime setups < 1450671193 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rokujouma no shinryakusha. the stupidity has to be seen to be believed) < 1450671265 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't watch a lot of anime or even other TV show < 1450671390 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't watch a lot, until I started working and therefore had more spare time < 1450671559 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the only good haremanime (haranimem?) is Love Hina, if only because it has a flying turtle. < 1450671680 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450671913 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450672167 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: SHIFTY CHICKEN < 1450672193 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450672540 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450673053 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a funny programming language based on sexiness because why the hell not. < 1450673091 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wound up formalizing the way you specify n-somes in the process. < 1450673713 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450674772 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: There's already a formalization of that. They are mapped to strings matching the regex /m*f*/. hth < 1450674789 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Yes, but that's very ambiguous < 1450674803 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MF can have 2 possible meanings, and it just inflates from there < 1450674816 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 /at minimum/ < 1450674824 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450674870 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whata bout labeled directed graphs then? < 1450674894 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(edges and points labeled) < 1450674919 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: That works, but it has to be able to be put into a tag < 1450674993 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I formulated a system that I'm pretty sure is unambiguous, AND it allows for vagueness as needed (e.g. if you don't care exactly how much tail this guy is getting at once), AND it incorporates time delay, AND it is familiar to anyone who knows regex < 1450675523 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDF is one kind of labeled directed graphs < 1450677376 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450677667 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1450677716 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with this regex?: /"[^"\\]*(?:\\.[^"\\]*)*"/ < 1450677724 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer won't accept it in the Docstrings. < 1450677739 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, PLY uses Docstrings for stuff like this. < 1450677856 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, think I figured it out < 1450678357 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought today's xkcd had a way for the patient to theoretically escape alive if they had > 100 limbs, but then i read the hovertext. < 1450678373 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* >= < 1450678515 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads today's xkcd < 1450678616 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1450678655 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the bet option is neverending scalp massaging. < 1450678658 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*best < 1450678768 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can get there without harm if you fake discomfort in the right spot. < 1450678829 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is oxygen injection fatal < 1450678834 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. < 1450679343 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1450679538 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that i own a smartphone i can download an app to read xkcd < 1450679546 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION joined the cool kids < 1450679557 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several apps for this! which one do i pick < 1450679700 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there are apps for xkcd? < 1450679716 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, screw it. I'm not reading xkcd on a tiny phone screen < 1450679723 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just got a phone recently too < 1450679810 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck playing http://xkcd.com/1608/ < 1450680034 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a bigger phone < 1450680178 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck no < 1450680182 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate large phones < 1450680200 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so? < 1450680222 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigger screen = better at reading manga < 1450680226 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, they're huge and unweildy < 1450680328 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot relate < 1450680345 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use a nexus 5 and it could be a little taller < 1450680419 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, basically you are saying there is such a thing as a computer screen too big < 1450680426 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450680427 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make sense < 1450680428 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I've got Nexus 5X that is slightly larger < 1450680448 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.95" -> 5.2" < 1450680450 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: for something to carry around, I want it small. For something stationary, I want it big < 1450680473 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: sounds neat < 1450680497 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am interested in the note series from samsung, but they are just too expensive < 1450680513 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to have a larger phone than that, but 5" seems to be a sweet spot < 1450680542 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I hate is the 6 or the 6p. < 1450680548 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those things are way too big. < 1450680555 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1450680564 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only valid reason i heard is that pockets on pants for girls are ridiculously small < 1450680579 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to *hold* my phone. < 1450680581 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too big for what? < 1450680593 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: at 6" you cannot comfortably reach the top area of the screen with one hand < 1450680594 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't hold 6"? < 1450680610 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you may have a large thumb < 1450680613 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1450680617 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I have a human hand that I use for holding my phone with one hand and interacting with it. < 1450680621 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: the trick is to make it so that you barely ever need the top of the phone < 1450680634 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are not a human being this may not be applicable to you. < 1450680639 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: greatly depends on apps you are using < 1450680656 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, but just have a look at good apps < 1450680670 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:a1b5:d822:f42c:d0d JOIN :#esoteric < 1450680672 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the put everything you need on the bottom for a reason < 1450680686 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, frankly, the 5x is just about the maximum size I'd be comfortable with in my pocket. < 1450680692 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:a1b5:d822:f42c:d0d JOIN :#esoteric < 1450680719 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with LMT or any other PIE control you don't even need to reach the top to drop down the notification area <3 < 1450681045 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people buy samsung notes? < 1450681055 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pen is so silly < 1450681072 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because bif screens are awesome for doing computer stuff < 1450681073 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds you of the resistive screens age < 1450681111 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, my sßartphone is an ssh client at many times < 1450681125 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to have a big terminal and keyboard < 1450681196 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a foldable 27" imac < 1450681225 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, 12" laptop at most < 1450681242 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alsoy laptops ten not to last 24h+ with ankers < 1450681395 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that topic, i'd love to have an arm laptop with like 11", trackpoint and a fullhd display < 1450681477 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why arm < 1450681509 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Testing... < 1450681526 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1450681529 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because battery < 1450682282 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450682658 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:a1b5:d822:f42c:d0d QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450682715 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450682878 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://arin.ga/1AXjZf/raw < 1450682906 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel dumb because i wrote noglob like a thousand years ago and didn't realize i could write the others until now < 1450682933 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i needed nullglob and i was like "damn, it'd be nice to have something like noglob for nullglob... oh wait" < 1450682965 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sharing because they may come in handy <.< < 1450682987 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't know izabera operates arin.ga < 1450683013 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and >36^5 snippets already? wow. < 1450683030 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or 32^5, depending on the character set used, but doesn't matter) < 1450683053 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, just using php's tempnam < 1450683063 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1450683067 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunate < 1450683068 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1450683143 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't goo.gl use something similar? < 1450683158 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, completely randomized < 1450683172 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I thought arin.ga is sequentially numbered because of 000002 < 1450683186 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, those are just a few file i hand picked < 1450683193 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :files < 1450683195 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, makes sense now < 1450683284 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be 000000-000006 but now there's only 0-2 < 1450683314 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's arin.ga/aringa < 1450683342 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION found it funny back then < 1450683367 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally use ix.io a lot < 1450683421 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is sequentially numbered, by the way) < 1450683427 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client is better than theirs < 1450683427 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450683448 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ix.io is sorta minimalistic < 1450683510 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:o the source isn't available < 1450683530 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450683675 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they have users, that's not very minimalistic... >.> < 1450683688 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1450684376 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: More testing < 1450684409 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1450685157 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't sleep enough, i went to work tired < 1450685174 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my alarm didn't even ring this morning, wonder why < 1450685178 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i get there < 1450685181 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's closed < 1450685186 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :monday morning it's closed < 1450685191 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm retarded < 1450685252 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION jumps into beeeed < 1450686552 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Testing again... < 1450686574 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1450686588 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah adding explicit -n options fixed it < 1450686608 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmux wasn't showing the actual command names in the status line for some reason. < 1450686717 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the one which is an actual shell. < 1450687170 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a lisp because whynot. < 1450687181 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :whydo < 1450687199 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: whydo or whynot. There is no whytry. < 1450687222 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :whydonot* < 1450687222 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1450687224 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has... basic operations, IO, and IF-THEN-ELSE < 1450687229 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo. < 1450687294 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downloaded the force awakens and it's in spanish or portuguese < 1450687296 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :cam < 1450687302 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i watch it anyway? < 1450687401 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, only the original galactic basic is acceptable hth < 1450687605 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :found an english version yay < 1450687611 0 :andrew_!~andrew@119.139.17.54 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450687773 0 :andrew_!~andrew@14.154.165.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450688227 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450688342 0 :Elronnd!?@? NICK :realdonaldtrump < 1450688475 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450688626 0 :realdonaldtrump!?@? NICK :Elronnd < 1450688992 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450689071 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450689149 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1450689158 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to play with qudotpy, but I don't quantum < 1450689161 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't know where to learn. < 1450689235 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :read Kaye, Laflamme, & Mosca or Nielsen & Chuang. < 1450689244 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Former is more accessible but also less comprehensive < 1450690100 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450690591 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1450691093 0 :perrier____!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450691330 0 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450691395 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450691395 0 :perrier___!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450691395 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450691395 0 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450691395 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450691395 0 :Xe!xe@unaffiliated/xe QUIT :*.net *.split < 1450691413 0 :Elronnd!?@? 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NICK :J_Arcane < 1450693213 0 :trnv2!?@? NICK :trn < 1450693521 0 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1450694229 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450694605 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450695480 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450695752 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450695802 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450696403 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450696434 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1450698070 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450698973 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar < 1450699196 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450699836 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:a1b5:d822:f42c:d0d QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450700112 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450700151 0 :TellsGoto!~TellsTogo@62.205.125.118 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450700527 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:a1b5:d822:f42c:d0d JOIN :#esoteric < 1450701037 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450701096 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450701150 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:a1b5:d822:f42c:d0d QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450701514 0 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450701518 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1450701519 0 :callforjudgement!?@? NICK :ais523 < 1450701536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1450701840 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:a1b5:d822:f42c:d0d JOIN :#esoteric < 1450702289 0 :andrew_!~andrew@14.154.165.56 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450702649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450702736 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450702995 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450703490 0 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450703653 0 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1450703868 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450703998 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450704271 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450704681 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e JOIN :#esoteric < 1450706214 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450706715 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:a1b5:d822:f42c:d0d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450706887 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450708360 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Celeritas 5* 10New user account < 1450709244 0 :Celeritas!5e37cfe3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.94.55.207.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450709305 0 :Celeritas!5e37cfe3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.94.55.207.227 QUIT :Client Quit < 1450709530 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, so I wanted to ask some things about nh4, especially the save system < 1450709538 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: in #esoteric? < 1450709542 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it's not 100% an incorrect place < 1450709545 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, let's try in the other channel < 1450709546 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're both in #nethack4 too < 1450709576 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450709747 0 :contrapumpkin!?@? NICK :copumpkin < 1450709984 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@ery40.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450710032 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1450710194 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1450710215 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450710293 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, what was the thing that reads C types and describes them linearly? < 1450710316 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdecl < 1450710321 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's both a website and a command-line tool < 1450710338 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be in the ubuntu repos < 1450710347 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries it out < 1450710370 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in Fedora, it appears. < 1450710381 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still waiting for it to install < 1450710477 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdecl> cast x into pointer to array 4 of float < 1450710479 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(float (*)[4])x < 1450710489 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(an example that actually came up earlier today) < 1450710520 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450710787 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The declare, cast and explain statements try to point out constructions that are not supported in C. In some cases, a guess is made as to what was really intended. In these cases, the C result is a toy declaration whose semantics will work only in Algol-68. " < 1450710792 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450710880 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, “declare foo as array of function (int) returning int”. < 1450710944 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Unsupported in C -- 'Array of function' (maybe you mean "array of pointer to function") int foo[](int ) < 1450710951 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1450710963 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried it on the website.) < 1450711046 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or “declare foo as array of array of int”. < 1450711086 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually Verity doesn't let you do either of those either < 1450711097 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrays can only contain int pointers < 1450711114 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Verity, being an Algol, has all variables const, but you can define const pointers that point to "stack" locations) < 1450711143 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in algol 68 it's something like "int ref x = loc int" < 1450711155 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can dereference and assign to x, which is the /name/ of a variable < 1450711159 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the variable itself < 1450711213 0 :TellsTogo!~TellsTogo@62.205.125.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450711299 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450711544 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Can C actually allow more than two “long” in a row? < 1450711578 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you'd expect short short and long long long to have been made illegal (if they weren't already) to allow for future expansion < 1450711585 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders if unsigned unsigned is legal < 1450711599 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think there's a specific list of what adjective and adjective/noun combos work < 1450711740 0 :SgeoIsrael!6b4d4b17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450711759 0 :SgeoIsrael!6b4d4b17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Robozzle has a beta JS version < 1450711768 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc int main(void) { long long long x = 0; printf("%zu\n", sizeof(x)); } < 1450711777 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​: In function ‘main’: \ :1:28: error: ‘long long long’ is too long for GCC \ compilation terminated due to -Wfatal-errors. < 1450711793 0 :SgeoIsrael!6b4d4b17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figured people would be interested. Also messaged Gregor and pikhq in the hopes they would say something here, but meh < 1450711826 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU folks must have been having fun when they wrote that error message < 1450711830 0 :SgeoIsrael!6b4d4b17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that they didn't, but I decided to be impatient) < 1450711834 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc puts("does this work without a main?"); < 1450711835 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:1:6: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before string constant \ compilation terminated due to -Wfatal-errors. < 1450711839 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not < 1450711858 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION giggled profusely in a lecture about that error message just now. < 1450711886 0 :SgeoIsrael!6b4d4b17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lecture was about that error message? < 1450712146 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just saw the error message here and am simultaneously sitting in an “OS Security” lecture, which is not really for giggling about most of the time. < 1450712219 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd seen the message before but had forgotten about it < 1450712234 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc int main(void) { short short x = 0; printf("%zu\n", sizeof(x)); } < 1450712235 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​: In function ‘main’: \ :1:24: error: duplicate ‘short’ \ compilation terminated due to -Wfatal-errors. < 1450712242 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's less interesting < 1450712249 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc int main(void) { unsigned unsigned x = 0; printf("%zu\n", sizeof(x)); } < 1450712250 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​: In function ‘main’: \ :1:27: error: duplicate ‘unsigned’ \ compilation terminated due to -Wfatal-errors. < 1450712319 0 :SgeoIsrael!6b4d4b17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is long long allowed? < 1450712330 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of C99, yes < 1450712337 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it refers to a type that's at least 64 bits long, possibly longer < 1450712349 0 :SgeoIsrael!6b4d4b17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sge O Israel < 1450712376 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? It doesn’t only need to be strictly longer than int and at least as long as long? < 1450712379 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on 32-bit Linux systems and 32- or 64-bit Windows systems, the usual is char=8, short=16, int=32, long=32, long long=64 < 1450712393 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on 64-bit Linux, it's slightly different: char=8, short=16, int=32, long=64, long long=64 < 1450712416 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-bit Windows was char=8, short=16, int=16, long=32; long long would be 64 but I'm not sure it has any C99 compilers < 1450712429 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: hmm, I'm not sure < 1450712439 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibility of the standard integer types being out of order hadn't crossed my mind < 1450712451 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no good reason for them to be out of order, so I'd hope the standards committee had banned that < 1450712498 0 :SgeoIsrael!6b4d4b17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use the number of bits in the name of the type >.> < 1450712506 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not out of order, but IIRC there’s a few “at least as big as” rules. < 1450712528 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoIsrael: #include < 1450712544 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also inttypes.h < 1450712549 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have two competing integer headers! < 1450712556 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also limits.h, which serves a similar purpose < 1450712573 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :“The header shall include the header.” < 1450712826 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1450712900 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a functional programming noob, so this is a noob question: how is memoization "functional"? < 1450713131 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it require an external data structure to save the data? < 1450713318 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn’t call it functional. < 1450713406 0 :SgeoIsrael!6b4d4b17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a non functional thing that makes functional programming more efficient in some ways sometimes < 1450713424 0 :SgeoIsrael!6b4d4b17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's non functional but helps functional code more often < 1450713429 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, well said. < 1450714082 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION relabels functional languages as liar languages < 1450714388 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450714404 0 :SgeoIsrael!6b4d4b17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.75.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1450715115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450715501 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450715511 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so did I reassemble the comfy armchair slanted, or is it the desk that's slanted? I bet it's the former < 1450716291 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1450716331 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB < 1450716332 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 211642Z 07005KT 12SM -SN OVC064 M02/M05 A2999 RMK SC8 SLP160 < 1450716395 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball Did I reassemble the comfy armchair slanted? < 1450716395 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outlook good. < 1450716418 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jhellonas. < 1450716424 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1450716459 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cursed by ikea furniture? < 1450716482 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not cursed < 1450716485 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still quite a good chair < 1450716491 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was totally worth to get it here in the new home < 1450718059 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450718265 0 :jaboja64!~jaboja@ery40.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450718373 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery40.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450718385 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery40.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450718403 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450718473 0 :relrod_!~relrod@104.131.193.156 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450718476 0 :relrod_!~relrod@104.131.193.156 QUIT :Changing host < 1450718476 0 :relrod_!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1450718612 0 :relrod_!?@? NICK :relrod < 1450719757 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450719813 0 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-endbctwopbnllekt QUIT :Excess Flood < 1450719876 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rjygzinnyqsuoxpd JOIN :#esoteric < 1450720060 0 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450720260 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450720391 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450721636 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! While Loop in my LISP! < 1450721647 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No assignment yet though :/ < 1450721647 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations < 1450721666 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'll have to restructure the code to implement environments. I need an environment in LISPy languages, right? < 1450721668 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1450721673 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, generally. < 1450721695 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloppavellon[1]! < 1450721701 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for LISPing the world! < 1450721761 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoily < 1450721836 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :"languages, right?" was on a nother line in my client, so it looked like "I need an environment in LISPy" < 1450721846 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like LISP+python? < 1450721849 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome! < 1450721919 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: Oh mah gawd < 1450721921 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISPy < 1450721924 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YUS < 1450721933 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(def chicken (x) (print (+ (to-uppercase x) "CHICKEN"))) < 1450721960 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering making my LISP support Python libraries as a backup when importing a normal lib doesn't work < 1450721961 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually know lisp < 1450721968 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You, my friend, have just sealed the deal < 1450721972 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd: I don't either < 1450721973 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: does + concatenate strings in the lisp variant you're using? < 1450722013 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like grapes? < 1450722060 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? droid < 1450722061 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :droid? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450722062 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? android < 1450722063 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :android? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450722063 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? robot < 1450722065 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bot < 1450722066 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robots are deterministic finite Belgians that repeat themselves. Taneb invented them. < 1450722066 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450722073 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? state < 1450722074 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :state? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450722082 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdo < 1450722083 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wisdo: not found < 1450722083 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450722084 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cosplay/Cosplay is the art of dressing up as people to show off to other people dressed up as people. < 1450722088 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450722089 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :module/A module is like a vector space, except with a ring instead of a field. < 1450722095 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450722096 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moth/Moths are the main ingredient of mothballs. < 1450722173 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It does in my language xD < 1450722179 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :would people object if i changed the no-wisdom-found message < 1450722192 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: his523. I went with what I could remember Python used. < 1450722194 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? walrusman < 1450722194 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :walrusman? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450722199 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad with this terminal and it's also kind of bad in general < 1450722207 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't Pythonned in a long time, and my memory's getting fuzzy about it :/ < 1450722227 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kids, Java is bad for you programental health. Don't do it at home. < 1450722228 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: a sexp-based language which is semantically nothing like lisp < 1450722228 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and I should make a command for multi-search of wisdoms instead of just one in aline < 1450722230 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Well to uppercase you use str.upper() in python < 1450722244 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also, change the "command not found" message because it's ugly < 1450722247 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: see! too much of the J-word! < 1450722262 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 404 < 1450722263 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :404? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450722277 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: We can't change that from within the system. < 1450722279 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? not found < 1450722280 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not found? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450722280 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I /like/ . notation < 1450722282 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah < 1450722283 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we can change ?. < 1450722298 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn not found/not found? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450722302 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «not found» < 1450722305 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? not found < 1450722306 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not found? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450722347 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assert (> 5 4 3 2 1)) < 1450722350 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that notation < 1450722358 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Stacky Sexpy lang? < 1450722377 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1 < 1450722394 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no. plain scheme works like that. sadly. < 1450722404 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh :/ < 1450722410 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Stacky or >? < 1450722437 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: scheme has crazy interpretations of too many arguments to some of the arithmetic primitives. < 1450722459 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most advanced program ever written in my LISPy is (WHILE (INPUT) (PRINT "You said something!")) < 1450722469 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: > like that makes sense though < 1450722476 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :variadic functions are interesting, but are too much of a mess imho hth < 1450722483 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps we should make a mathematical lisp for mathematicians? < 1450722497 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that one exists too, sadly. it's called Mathematica. < 1450722503 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better to 'foldl (>) minBound'. < 1450722512 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's quite well done actually.) < 1450722528 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not for the kind of mathematicians I am. < 1450722554 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Or just reduce (>) < 1450722556 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldl (>) minBound < 1450722557 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foldable t => t Bool -> Bool < 1450722566 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that isn't Hasky AFAIK < 1450722573 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it Haskic? < 1450722591 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskellianistic. < 1450722620 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl and reduce are approximately the same thing, and neither of them makes sense. < 1450722670 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For this.) < 1450722677 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let xs = [5,4,3,2,1] in and (zipWith (>) xs (tail xs)) -- maybe < 1450722679 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bool < 1450722900 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference is that Python and Mathematica also supports mixing of relation signs in chains, such as x <= y < z, whereas scheme doesn't. < 1450722943 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < y in z < 1450722947 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1450723143 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450723184 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the fun starts when you try to see the value of (0 != 1 != 0) in different languages < 1450723207 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Mathematica, it's false. in Python, I think it's true. In scheme, I think it's also false. But I'm not sure I remember this right. < 1450723250 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is true. < 1450723822 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450723974 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my MathLISP, should I allow sets to be constructed in sety notation ({1, 2, 3}), or should I restrict it to something like "(set 1 2 3)"? < 1450724002 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you allow bag brackets for bags, it's fine. < 1450724014 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former is more readable and more mathematical, but it also obligates me to implement set-builder notation in a simple way. The latter is more in line with LISPiness < 1450724047 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well of course. I'd probably allow either {$ $} as well as the unicode characters, though < 1450724061 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think almost none of those are true. < 1450724069 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in a simple way/which would complicate parsing/ < 1450724090 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That moment when you use s notation and completely change a sentence's meaning) < 1450724143 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The latter is definitely LISPier, and the former is more mathy to most people. Set-builder notation seems obligatory. < 1450724171 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, obviously {1, 2, 3} and (set 1 2 3) are equivalent, because syntax /= reality, but... < 1450724182 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/reality/meaning/ < 1450724196 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But what do you think? {...} or (set ...)? < 1450724208 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you asking me? < 1450724210 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I do {...}, I'll also implement matrix notation < 1450724217 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Because you were the first person to respond to me. < 1450724224 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make sure not to do that next time. < 1450724247 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus you are required by esia law to answer my question about implementation < 1450724250 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1450724264 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: shachaf isn't going to help. What do you think? < 1450724272 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just came home < 1450724282 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally sit down at my computer 20 seconds ago < 1450724283 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't pick on people like that. < 1450724304 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Which one of us and like what? < 1450724311 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially not me, but also other people. < 1450724377 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450724563 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another question: since I'm implementing num*const (e.g. you can write 5i and it is a complex number), should I allow inline complex numbers? i.e. can you write 2+5i, or should you have to do (+ 2 5i)? < 1450724587 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I should even make you do (+ 2 (* 5 i)) or even (+ 2 (* 5 (i))) < 1450724592 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would vote no < 1450724616 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah don't make it too easy < 1450724618 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: So {...} sets in MathLISP? Ye or Nay? < 1450724622 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1450724627 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit xD < 1450724644 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not looking forward to parsing it < 1450724660 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazyass < 1450724682 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I thought sloth was a virtue among programmers. < 1450724698 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not when they're implementing languages < 1450724710 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sloth leads to minimalism if channelled correctly, and to effective tools to do stuff for you. < 1450724721 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimalism harms usability in this case < 1450724750 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Fair enough < 1450724759 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I do think that (set 1 2 3) might actually be better < 1450724777 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that way I can get away with more restricted set-builder notation < 1450724821 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it, I'll implement set notation later if ever. < 1450724843 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450725019 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450725169 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1450725715 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450726039 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450726056 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. I can't get lex to work < 1450726081 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.0 is becoming the int 5, followed by the function ., followed by the number 0 < 1450726408 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450726857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450726961 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! I FIXED IT! < 1450726976 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, Lex detects the order in which functions are defined in the file < 1450726999 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, AFAIK, shouldn't be possible, even with the C API, because I'm pretty sure globals() returns a dict, not an odict < 1450727484 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is my system load average stuck at 3.0? < 1450727535 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ypfozxakduduqdnu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450727765 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't shake it properly < 1450727815 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: look for three processes using 33% CPU each < 1450727837 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you have more than one core, 50% or 100% each for 2 and 3+ cores respectively < 1450727898 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can find none. < 1450727912 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-fouzakpbzbxlgkqa JOIN :#esoteric < 1450727944 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it seems to be working except that it always adds 3.0 to what it is supposed to be; I don't know how system load average is calculated in Linux though < 1450728278 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:ed72:9d1:33a1:7bbd JOIN :#esoteric < 1450728429 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450728482 0 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450728562 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1450728635 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should the empty (output) be for bit shifts and bitwise operations? < 1450728654 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. what's the MathLisp expression `(&)` (no arguments) equivalent to? < 1450728659 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Have any idea? < 1450728944 0 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it should be the identity for the operation in question < 1450728946 0 :mauris_!?@? NICK :mauris < 1450728957 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (+) is 0 because x + 0 == 0 + x == x < 1450728967 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (*) is 1 for the same reason < 1450728987 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (&) should be -1, and (|) and (^) should be 0 < 1450729004 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas (<<) and (>>) aren't defined < 1450729750 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: They aren't defined because they are side-based? < 1450729795 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. (the mathsy way to say that is "not commutative", i.e. x << y isn't y << x) < 1450729848 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that aren't commutative can still have identities. < 1450729850 0 :oren_webclient!d8df5bb3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.223.91.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450729879 0 :oren_webclient!d8df5bb3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.223.91.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid public wifi won't let me connect with putty < 1450729938 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_webclient: Hack the shit out of their wifi then. They deserve it. < 1450729964 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: COMMUTATIVE! THAT'S THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR! < 1450729977 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do they have two of them? < 1450729987 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 1 if they're the same? < 1450730002 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I suppose in the case of <<, they're the same, but there's another one? < 1450730008 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very often just one. < 1450730010 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As well as for >>) < 1450730025 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes two. < 1450730031 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose for x<> y is x << (-y) and vice versa) < 1450730249 0 :oren_webclient!d8df5bb3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.223.91.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, we'll see if mcdonalds blocks ssh < 1450730256 0 :oren_webclient!d8df5bb3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.223.91.179 QUIT : < 1450730299 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: Perhaps x<>"wisdom/$topic" \ echo -n "Learned '$topic': " \ cat "wisdom/$topic" < 1450798246 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i '/^topic/ s/\$.*$/"&"/' bin/learn_append < 1450798248 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450798250 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn_append < 1450798250 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic="$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\? .*//')" \ stuff=$(echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-) \ perl -i -p -e 's/\n/ /' "wisdom/$topic" \ echo "$stuff" >>"wisdom/$topic" \ echo -n "Learned '$topic': " \ cat "wisdom/$topic" < 1450798265 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append "things boily likes" Moreover, cubes. < 1450798268 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open wisdom/"thing: No such file or directory. \ Learned '"thing': boily likes" Moreover, cubes. < 1450798295 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems $1 is already split < 1450798301 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/"thing < 1450798303 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450798310 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append things\ boily\ likes Moreover, cubes. < 1450798312 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open wisdom/things\: No such file or directory. \ Learned 'things\': boily\ likes Moreover, cubes. < 1450798318 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/things\\ < 1450798319 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `wisdom/things\\\\': No such file or directory < 1450798320 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/things\ < 1450798322 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450798329 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER MIND < 1450798409 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how high a christmas tree do you have in your home? < 1450798409 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i speak gb2312)? how do you receive this in analogue? the rest of us is the fnord < 1450798427 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@erz41.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450798476 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: not you, how high is your *christmas tree* < 1450798476 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: eastern telecom routing agency bot. but yes, they do nothing by themselves except in extraordinary circumstances < 1450798494 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450798495 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go/Go is a common verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes in the strategic territories of East Asia. < 1450798497 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`widsom < 1450798497 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: widsom: not found < 1450798503 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450798504 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450798505 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren/oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house. He'll orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon. < 1450798506 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coonspirator/A coonspirator is caterpillar silk wrapped in collaborators. < 1450798509 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? olsner < 1450798510 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner seems to exist at least. He builds all his esolangs in diesel engines. < 1450798519 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? django < 1450798520 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :django? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450798527 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn django is a giraffe < 1450798529 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'django': django is a giraffe < 1450798530 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450798531 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thé/Thé is an oddly-spelled hot beverage popular in the Commonwealth. < 1450798760 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom cocoonspirator < 1450798761 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocoonspirator/A cocoonspirator is a collaborator wrapped in caterpillar silk < 1450798834 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really out of date for the PDF... < 1450799595 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily! < 1450799725 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhelloris! maurhellos? uhm... bon mauristin? < 1450799915 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maurhis" maybe! < 1450800359 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1450800441 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450801895 0 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450804914 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450806287 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rjygzinnyqsuoxpd QUIT :Excess Flood < 1450806396 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-uxtgspxrfojbzlxx JOIN :#esoteric < 1450806554 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-uxtgspxrfojbzlxx QUIT :Changing host < 1450806554 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450806554 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host < 1450806554 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-uxtgspxrfojbzlxx JOIN :#esoteric < 1450806603 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to add two combining characters to A ? < 1450806613 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in unicode things i mean < 1450807150 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: yes < 1450807197 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ǻ < 1450807228 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: there are some precomposed characters that already decompose to a base and two combining characters, mostly for Vietnamese, and you can make new ones for pronunciation stuff which has more possibilities than would be worth to encode as precomposed characters. < 1450807232 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ǻ < 1450807233 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+01FA LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH RING ABOVE AND ACUTE] < 1450807238 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ǟ < 1450807239 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a character? O_o < 1450807275 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does any language actually do that? < 1450807276 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and it's in my font. (I don't have the combining characters) < 1450807335 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more of the Vietnamese letters with stress marks < 1450807391 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1450807401 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can actually stack as many combining characters as you want < 1450807410 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is how the Zalgo thing is done < 1450807472 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ǕǖǗǘǙǚǛǜ < 1450807473 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+01D5 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS AND MACRON] [U+01D6 LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS AND MACRON] [U+01D7 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS AND ACUTE] [U+01D8 LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS AND ACUTE] [U+01D9 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS AND CARON] [U+01DA LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS AND CARON] [U+01DB L < 1450807517 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote diarea < 1450807519 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450807522 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote diar < 1450807523 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :284) esperanto is just spanish with a diarrhea \ 1251) I'm making a new font. I'm up to the capital E with diarhea < 1450807592 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the examples < 1450807608 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't need to know the diarrhea part but thanks i guess < 1450807719 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? accent < 1450807720 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :accent? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450807774 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? diarrhea < 1450807775 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diarrhea? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450807801 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, irght vietnamese < 1450807804 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ẤấẦầẨẩẪẫẬậẮắẰằẲẳẴẵẶ < 1450807810 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there! < 1450807823 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? learn Diarrhea is the most sickening accent, although some others are more grave. < 1450807824 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn Diarrhea is the most sickening accent, although some others are more grave.? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450807831 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Diarrhea is the most sickening accent, although some others are more grave. < 1450807833 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'diarrhea': Diarrhea is the most sickening accent, although some others are more grave. < 1450807906 0 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450807986 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ꙁ < 1450807986 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A640 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ZEMLYA] [U+0020 SPACE] < 1450808293 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat le/rn < 1450808294 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ [[ "$1" = */* ]] || exit \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | cut -d / -f 1) \ [ -z "$topic" ] && exit 1 \ value=$(echo "$1" | cut -d / -f 2-) \ echo "$value" > wisdom/"$topic" && echo "Learned «$topic»" < 1450808300 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/learn_append < 1450808301 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ topic="$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\? .*//')" \ stuff=$(echo "$1" | cut -d' ' -f2-) \ perl -i -p -e 's/\n/ /' "wisdom/$topic" \ echo "$stuff" >>"wisdom/$topic" \ echo -n "Learned '$topic': " \ cat "wisdom/$topic" < 1450808389 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you guys write scripts in a language that i don't know? < 1450808466 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language you don't know? < 1450808482 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/mkx < 1450808482 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :key=$(mk "$@") && echo "$key" && chmod +x "$key" < 1450808486 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/mk < 1450808486 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || exit 1; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$key" && echo "$key" < 1450808487 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge < 1450808713 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know befunge? < 1450808735 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok my patience just ran out because the hg browser won't show a simple script file raw in the browser. < 1450808969 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1450809172 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat le/rn bin/learn_append | sed '6,9d;s/value/stuff/' >le/rn_append; chmod +x le/rn_append < 1450809174 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450809182 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat le/rn_append < 1450809183 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ [[ "$1" = */* ]] || exit \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | cut -d / -f 1) \ [ -z "$topic" ] && exit 1 \ stuff=$(echo "$1" | cut -d / -f 2-) \ perl -i -p -e 's/\n/ /' "wisdom/$topic" \ echo "$stuff" >>"wisdom/$topic" \ echo -n "Learned '$topic': " \ cat "wisdom/$topic" < 1450809262 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn_append things boily likes/Moreover, cubes. < 1450809264 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'things boily likes': Fire is good. I like fire. Also chicken. And phở. Moreover, cubes. < 1450809281 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1450809282 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department and likes cubes. < 1450809335 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/department.*/department./' wisdom/boily < 1450809338 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450809340 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1450809341 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. < 1450809389 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++ < 1450809592 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1450809607 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilloy < 1450809699 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb -> tanebventions; boily -> boilikes?? < 1450809796 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i considered that, but it felt a bit ugly. < 1450809820 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1450809821 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, robots, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1450809842 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? progress < 1450809843 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Progress has been made today. It was invented by Taneb. < 1450809903 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/progress/cigars, &/' wisdom/tanebvention < 1450809905 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450809906 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1450809924 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450809963 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Django is a giraffe. < 1450809965 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'django': Django is a giraffe. < 1450809976 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cigars < 1450809977 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cigars? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1450810000 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1450810001 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, robots, cigars, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1450810040 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like that should be shuffled around so that it rhymes, and maybe set to a tune. < 1450810089 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the major general song, presumably. < 1450810098 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Taneb might have to invent a few more things to make that work. < 1450810111 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why haven't you invented sex yet? < 1450810125 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:44:02 < shachaf> `? progress < 1450810154 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats coppro -----### < 1450810174 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T TRY TO FILTHEN TANEB'S PURE INVENTIONS < 1450810186 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to be confused with congress, and especially not sexual congress < 1450810196 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which Taneb would never have invented < 1450810207 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might have invented carnal embrace, though < 1450810278 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally now I made it my Magic: the Gathering cards can be made in a SQL database too; this is the program to do the conversion: http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/cards.sql < 1450810435 0 :yorick!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450810436 0 :yorick!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Changing host < 1450810436 0 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1450810589 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450810615 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450810718 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450811521 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450811907 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ǖ < 1450811908 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+01D5 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS AND MACRON] < 1450811929 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's two bytes < 1450812692 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I'm 100% asexual < 1450812725 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And uncomfortable with a lot of things surrounding sexz < 1450812752 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently including correctly spelling the word < 1450813250 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1450813255 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I make MathLISP mathier? < 1450813261 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knots? xD < 1450813331 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't ﭅ exist < 1450813345 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ﭅ < 1450813346 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+FB45 - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: ef ad 85 UTF-16BE: fb45 Decimal: ﭅ \ ﭅ (﭅) \ Uppercase: U+FB45 \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) < 1450813383 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: What should it be? < 1450813388 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is it in the table? < 1450813412 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it exists elsewhere in unicode but they left the slot open for clarity? They did that for blackboard bold letters < 1450813589 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess I might as well allow more correct mathematical symbols < 1450813589 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes between פּ צּ like in פץצ . < 1450813591 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. ≥ < 1450813611 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Can't tell what those letters are, they aren't in my (admittedly outdated) edition of neoletters < 1450813616 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't figure out how to update it < 1450813619 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be ץ with a dagesh < 1450813624 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried downloading the new version and hitting "instsall" < 1450813631 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Could it be found elsewhere in Unicode? < 1450813645 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only reason it seems that would be the case < 1450813652 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try removing the current version and then reinstalling the new one < 1450813659 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: OK < 1450813660 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leter < 1450813663 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Later < 1450813808 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I believe "BDSM" was once listed as a Tanebvention, but I was really uncomfortable with that, hence the disclaimer < 1450813837 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mathiest thing in all of MathLISP is S and P < 1450813852 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Albedo14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45934 5* 03Albedo 5* (+164) 10First version of user page created < 1450813893 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: even if it doesn't involve sex? < 1450814881 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450815926 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450817106 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450818209 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1450818512 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450818595 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way, using the hosting provided by GoDaddy, to use a custom server software? < 1450818607 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, one written in Python using aiohttp? < 1450818656 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How do you host your site? < 1450818695 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? BDSM < 1450818696 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BDSM definitely isn't a kind of LARP and Taneb definitely did not invent it. < 1450818719 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is also the bidirectional support mode < 1450818810 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45935 5* 03Albedo 5* (+17587) 10Beeswax page created < 1450818932 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45936&oldid=45935 5* 03Albedo 5* (+1) 10/* Arithmetic operations */ typo < 1450818986 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45937&oldid=45936 5* 03Albedo 5* (-6) 10/* File related I/O */ layout < 1450819034 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45938&oldid=45937 5* 03Albedo 5* (+6) 10/* File related I/O */ < 1450819104 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It is on my computer, through the router. The software used in this computer is Apache for HTTP, and custom software for gopher < 1450819104 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45939&oldid=45938 5* 03Albedo 5* (+13) 10/* File related I/O */ < 1450819134 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45940&oldid=45939 5* 03Albedo 5* (-5) 10/* Write file to disk */ < 1450819177 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45941&oldid=45940 5* 03Albedo 5* (+28) 10/* External Resources */ < 1450819189 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this answer the question? < 1450819210 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol bidirectional support mode < 1450819217 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45942&oldid=45941 5* 03Albedo 5* (-1) 10/* Example beeswax programs */ < 1450819238 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45943&oldid=45942 5* 03Albedo 5* (-7) 10/* Return n-th Fibonacci number */ < 1450819276 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450819291 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45944&oldid=45943 5* 03Albedo 5* (-1) 10/* File related I/O */ typo < 1450819512 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Albedo14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45945&oldid=45934 5* 03Albedo 5* (+196) 10 < 1450819588 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah < 1450819730 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Albedo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45946&oldid=45945 5* 03Albedo 5* (+168) 10Extended the user page < 1450820611 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I again ask what I should add to MathLISP to make it, well, Mathy. < 1450820735 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll publish the current docs soon in case anyone needs it < 1450820772 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamma function, probably < 1450821224 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Albedo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45947&oldid=45946 5* 03Albedo 5* (+157) 10 < 1450821257 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whooo! < 1450821266 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got ASSGN and an interactive interpreter working! < 1450821372 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Session example: http://pastebin.com/2CmcTEMwhttp://pastebin.com/2CmcTEMw < 1450821376 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1450821376 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/2CmcTEMw < 1450822220 0 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.176 QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1450822472 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450822618 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1450822692 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I use a site hosted on AWS < 1450822705 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow just nearly flunked a test on the Order of Operations < 1450822723 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am accessing irc thru it right now < 1450822726 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm redoing first semester algebra over winter break because I bombed it in school, particularly when I stopped showing up to class) < 1450822744 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remeber PEMDAS < 1450822750 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I do remember PEMDAS < 1450822772 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, the "invisible parentheses" on fraction-form division (as my teacher put it) < 1450822787 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when people use non-parentheses to group expressions < 1450822850 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is {5+2} the set containing only the number 7 or is 5+2, evaluated before anything around it? I mean, AFAIK that really doesn't matter in this case, but... < 1450822853 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also remeber that sin xy is sin(x*y) < 1450822866 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sin x + y is sin(x) + y < 1450822906 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: They didn't even do that. They just did +/-/*\//** (including unary -, but only for numbers IIRC) < 1450822926 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, forgot a slash < 1450822935 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+/-/*/\//** < 1450822985 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't PEMDAS be enough then? < 1450822999 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: The questions were, like, evaluate (xy+z)/z if x=3/7, y=-35, z=8. And that's one I got wrong. < 1450823049 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading it now, I now realize it should be -7/8. I answered 7/8 < 1450823064 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: PEMDAS is enough; I just have the defect of wanting to do everything in my head. < 1450823070 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xy=-15, xy+z = 7, (xy+z)/8 = 7/8 < 1450823077 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And never checking my work. < 1450823102 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. no < 1450823106 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: It says the answer is supposed to be -7/8. Well, -0.88, but you get the point. < 1450823112 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. -7/8 < 1450823139 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh joy. Now I have to read about numbers (also, deciding which set they belong to) < 1450823162 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wirting it down like i did should help you catch any mistakes < 1450823169 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I assume means "This is a real number, not a complex number" is what they're about to ask me to do < 1450823175 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which angers the math gods. < 1450823197 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real numbers have imaginary part = 0 < 1450823208 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I know, exactly. That's why the math gods are angered by that. < 1450823238 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're angered because they may or may not be about to tell me that real numbers are different from complexes (as opposed to being a subset) < 1450823277 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice if there was a standard system for naming sets of numbers < 1450823309 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"comrationals", for example, would be of the form a+bi where a, b |< Q < 1450823356 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /also/ think there should also be a standard, unambiguous, logical ASCII (or more accurately, typable) system for describing math < 1450823364 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont you mean a,b (- Q < 1450823371 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the system I am now making up for that, |< is subset. < 1450823405 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: But if you use (-, that can easily be confused with a, (b*-Q) < 1450823436 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you don't use a space < 1450823474 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|<, on the other hand, is entirely meaningless if you don't know the system. So it's ALSO good for math obfuscation xD < 1450823523 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, I would prefer to just have ∈ on my kybard < 1450823543 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And while I'm at it, I'm fixing function notation < 1450823564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Me too. As such, you may be interested in my new wish-it-existed product: The Mathematician's Keyboard! < 1450823576 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A keyboard that has all the mathematical symobls you could ever need! < 1450823587 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450823616 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complete with greek, set theory, formal logic, and matrices! < 1450823643 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, now that I think about it, I could easily write a program using PyHK combined with the operators I'm about to define that allows you to type symbols like that < 1450823655 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Would you be interested in that? Assuming that PyHK will work on your platform < 1450823724 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you would hit shift-esc, then the key combination, then esc again, and it would automatically send this key combo to the OS: < 1450823747 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backspace*(length of key combination) followed by the symbol that you just requested. < 1450823774 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowing you to type out formal logic < 1450823823 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: do you knpw apl keyboards? < 1450823838 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Nope < 1450823846 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I assume they're keyboards made for APL < 1450823852 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1450823853 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I know what APL is < 1450823868 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's A Programming Language. < 1450824706 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@erz41.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450825390 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@erz41.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450825629 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45948&oldid=45872 5* 03Albedo 5* (+14) 10/* B */ link to beeswax < 1450825739 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450825996 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a screenrc allowing the entry of math characters < 1450826049 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you press ctrl-2, (, - to enter ∈ for example < 1450826080 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose ( - => { < 1450826111 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1450826117 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has a key < 1450826124 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't make it up < 1450826205 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450826456 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sheet.shiar.nl/digraphs here's some inspiration < 1450826531 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1450826537 0 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450826556 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll start with just math symbols and greek < 1450826622 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :RFC-1345 is what vim uses for its digraphs too btw < 1450827036 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:5007:743a:99a9:5995 QUIT :Changing host < 1450827036 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@unaffiliated/triggerwarning JOIN :#esoteric < 1450827322 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, doesn't emacs use control-k for compose? < 1450827351 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1450827357 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. That's what vim uses at least (in insert mode) < 1450827360 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're making a config for screen < 1450827362 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1450827365 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450827371 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I might have confused it with that < 1450827395 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, here's my keyboard layout and current plan for extension => http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/keymap < 1450827516 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah making in in my screenrc means i don't need a different escape for every program < 1450827534 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell i could then use them in ed or cat < 1450827544 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it make more sense to use an OS-wide compose key? < 1450827550 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not be restricted to terminals < 1450827574 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkb has it built-in and I think there's third-party things for Windows to add a compose key < 1450827586 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh this computer is in virginia, I can;t get to it except thru a terminal < 1450827684 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1450827735 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess the issue with adding the binding to your local computer is that you'd have to repeat it everywhere else where you want to access it from < 1450827905 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1450828029 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I typically edit files locally on windows by running screen and nano under cygwin < 1450829423 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, I think i've done enough for now. Eventually I'll do more, when i find a need to. < 1450829460 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make it a new project. PROJECT ASCIICODE < 1450829628 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made note of some patterns, including capital RA, KA etc being katakana, ka, ba, etc being hiragana, and maybe i'll have CCcat be 猫 and CCdog be 犬 etc < 1450829654 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for "chinese character cat" < 1450829712 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noe of that is implemented yet, but muhuhahahaha < 1450829762 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm but it would be more flexible if I did CcatC and CdogC < 1450829763 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use Chinese telegraph code? < 1450829779 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's hard to remember < 1450829822 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ConeC 一 < 1450829836 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CtwoC 二 < 1450829842 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this will work < 1450829873 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now how do you intend to specify Chinese financial numerals? < 1450829884 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"壹" is also one. < 1450829886 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cfinance oneC < 1450829903 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And simplified vs. traditional? < 1450829928 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"貳" Ct finance twoC vs. "贰" Cs finance twoC ? < 1450829930 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these can be of indeifnite lengthmabe start with CS < 1450829944 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that would work, yeah < 1450830009 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's also Japanese financial numerals which aren't the same. :) < 1450830014 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cj < 1450830017 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1450830048 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese script hates encoders, basically. < 1450830492 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I randomly remembered.. vim also has a option to make infix backspace be used for digraphs too (á la overstriking) < 1450831156 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1450831215 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450831887 0 :TellsTogo!~TellsTogo@62.205.125.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450832036 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is sourceforge offline again < 1450832086 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's not and it's just one project < 1450832216 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ROOP14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45949 5* 03-Dark-Phantom- 5* (+15911) 10I'm still finishing the implementation < 1450832341 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:-Dark-Phantom-14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45950&oldid=45170 5* 03-Dark-Phantom- 5* (+39) 10 < 1450832386 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1450832664 0 :\oren\!~oren@52.2.213.98 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1450833000 0 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450833002 0 :oren!?@? NICK :\oren\ < 1450833027 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now I have irssi inside tmux so I can restart screen without affecitng it < 1450833048 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Â. YAY < 1450833063 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :control 2, A, ^ < 1450833215 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes \oren\ in the control codes < 1450833287 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that fuse can create a directory with two files with the same name and without . and .. ? < 1450833352 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's only a readdir thing, dir/. and dir/.. are still resolved correctly < 1450833522 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: why not just run two screens? < 1450833680 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not smart enough to do that properly < 1450833686 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically) < 1450833701 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I know how to use tmux and screen < 1450833746 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450834486 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :αβξ yaya < 1450834493 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1450834515 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels great when they are correctly displayed in my terminal < 1450834598 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450834625 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450834672 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm partially following the digraphs supported by existing schemes, but using better options where possible. for example, a` rather than a! for À < 1450834700 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, that should be à < 1450834741 0 :DarkPhantom!be67cac3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.103.202.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450834910 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf '\303 - \303\203' < 1450834911 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​à - Ã < 1450834938 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened < 1450835007 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that print so many characters before - ? < 1450835073 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably HackEgo's fault < 1450835107 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450835170 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo! < 1450835175 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got functions working! < 1450835184 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ASSGN "plus" (func (a b) (+ (a) (b)))) < 1450835198 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a funtion is continous if ∀ε∃δ∀x |x-a|<δ ⇒ |f(x)-b|<ε < 1450835204 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1450835215 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the argument definitions for func is a bit of a hack, as is the body itself. But mostly the arguments) < 1450835234 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a funtion is continous if ∀ε∃δ∀x |x-a|<δ ⇒ |f(x)-f(a)|<ε < 1450835244 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The problem with defining it in a more consistent way is that you'd pretty much have to have an infinite progression of functions quoting code, AFAIK) < 1450835272 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'mhaving problems remebering these definitions rather than typing them now < 1450835287 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It isn't quite consistent because... well, it's a template. That's how lisp works: it's almost 100% consitent, except templates) < 1450835294 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which I'm sure you knew < 1450835295 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1450835309 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :show it < 1450835315 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Show what? < 1450835361 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1450835394 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your lisp thing? < 1450835399 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Oh. I did. < 1450835399 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ASSGN "plus" (func (a b) (+ (a) (b)))) < 1450835412 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean < 1450835417 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you show the interpreter? < 1450835423 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That defines a function called "plus" that takes two arguments and adds them. < 1450835425 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1450835435 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Not on IRC, of course. I'll github it I guess. < 1450835446 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1450835531 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: It is, by no means, minimalistic; however, I don't think I've added any functions that can easily and efficiently be defined in terms of other builtins < 1450835598 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sure, one could make a FOR loop exponent for type (int, natural (including 0)), but it wouldn't be as good. Also, there are no looping constructs yet, unless you include recursion (which, I suppose, you should. See: Haskell)) < 1450835681 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/MathLISP < 1450835685 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a very creative namer xD < 1450835739 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1450835850 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice :) < 1450835906 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now I remember! < 1450835925 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a funtion is continous if ∀a∀ε∃δ∀x |x-a|<δ ⇒ |f(x)-f(a)|<ε < 1450835936 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the ∀a < 1450835994 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iow the limit of f(x) as x approaches every point a, is f(a) < 1450836029 0 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450836042 0 :sewilton!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bxiselghagwlmsmf QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450836290 0 :sewilton!sid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-acbsagtkjgnbwjkj JOIN :#esoteric < 1450836379 0 :DarkPhantom!be67cac3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.103.202.195 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1450836449 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450837673 0 :andrew__!~andrew@14.20.74.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450837688 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just finished カタカナ < 1450837795 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when you compose Placebo with Dunning-Kruger? < 1450837832 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Consider the following Venn < 1450837832 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagram, Figure 1.1, which shows the relationships of all the sets of < 1450837832 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers." < 1450837845 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw that in the algebra course I'm taking < 1450837856 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) That is not a venn diagram, that is a euler diagram < 1450837873 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) *All* the sets of numbers? That's one impressive diagram < 1450838341 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, does it cover {9, 23, 42, 69, 101413412413241324143i}? < 1450839320 0 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.176 QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1450839620 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OISC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45951&oldid=45754 5* 03Oleg 5* (+89) 10 < 1450839643 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cryptoleq14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45952 5* 03Oleg 5* (+9) 10Created page with "Cryptoleq" < 1450840004 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> a funtion is continous if ∀ε∃δ∀x |x-a|<δ ⇒ |f(x)-f(a)|<ε <-- no, that's uniform continuity. you need the δ last. also a >0 bound on ε. < 1450840372 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, misread. < 1450840385 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.*// < 1450840548 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also on δ. < 1450840562 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you should take the more advanced version of whatever course this is < 1450840594 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Probably < 1450840641 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: I'm really just passing by from bed... < 1450840799 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@erz41.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450841415 0 :interest1ng!~interest1@14-202-115-22.static.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1450841736 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@unaffiliated/triggerwarning QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450841741 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@erz41.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450842011 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45953&oldid=45944 5* 03Albedo 5* (+189) 10/* Local/global I/O operations */ info about V instruction added. Was omitted by accident. < 1450842109 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45954&oldid=45953 5* 03Albedo 5* (+16) 10/* Bitwise operations */ bitroll and bitshift instruction info updated < 1450842459 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:5007:743a:99a9:5995 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450842794 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1450845006 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: ADAPTATED CHICKEN < 1450845124 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450845218 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45955&oldid=45954 5* 03Albedo 5* (-34) 10/* Write file to disk */ corrected version < 1450848125 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These dials for example, controls christmas" < 1450848150 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon randall, get a proofreader! < 1450848676 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beeswax14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45956&oldid=45955 5* 03Albedo 5* (-2) 10/* Output numbers from 1 to 100 */ programm corrected < 1450848980 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@erz41.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450849602 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a dc and TECO polyglot program? < 1450849629 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CASTLE14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45957&oldid=45670 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+7) 10/* Symmetry */ bugbugbugbug < 1450850048 0 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1450851597 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1450853812 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just registered in an online form to book tickets for a local cinema, and they sent me my plaintext password < 1450853931 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think about it < 1450853937 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a bad sign? < 1450854290 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sign of bad programming < 1450854333 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh it seems hard to actually do anything important with it, other than stealing your tickets. < 1450854368 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which could be interesting if they're fixed seating tickets...) < 1450854440 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, well. i suppose if you've given them a card number... < 1450854452 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also people reuse passwords < 1450854462 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right. < 1450854515 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well don't do that then *whistling innocently* < 1450854545 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has at least started including a site-specific part. < 1450855212 0 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-52-122-10.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450855238 0 :andrew__!~andrew@14.20.74.131 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450856028 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450857070 0 :andrew!~andrew@14.20.74.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450857168 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Seriously14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45958&oldid=45817 5* 03Mego 5* (-4) 10changed profile link < 1450857215 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Seriously14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45959&oldid=45958 5* 03Mego 5* (-4) 10 < 1450857265 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Mego14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45960 5* 03Mego 5* (+61) 10Created page with "I made [[Seriously]]. I'm only slightly regretting it so far." < 1450859359 0 :tester567345!~tester567@et-0-55.gw-nat.bs.kae.de.oneandone.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450859591 0 :tester567345!~tester567@et-0-55.gw-nat.bs.kae.de.oneandone.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450859883 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450859917 0 :andrew_!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450860134 0 :andrew!~andrew@14.20.74.131 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1450861655 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450861817 0 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450861882 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1450861912 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1450862142 0 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450862333 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1450863237 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1450863602 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1450866193 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://security.stackexchange.com/a/108679 < 1450866423 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450869083 0 :tester567345!~tester567@et-0-55.gw-nat.bs.kae.de.oneandone.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450869405 0 :tester567345!~tester567@et-0-55.gw-nat.bs.kae.de.oneandone.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450869545 0 :tester567345!~tester567@et-0-55.gw-nat.bs.kae.de.oneandone.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450869556 0 :tester567345!~tester567@et-0-55.gw-nat.bs.kae.de.oneandone.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450869869 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Latr < 1450870630 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450870927 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450871266 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e JOIN :#esoteric < 1450871582 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450871931 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450873097 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1450873374 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeswax actually looks nice, but it is underspecified imho < 1450875117 0 :andrew_!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450877421 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450879922 0 :tester567345!~tester567@et-0-55.gw-nat.bs.kae.de.oneandone.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450879947 0 :tester567345!~tester567@et-0-55.gw-nat.bs.kae.de.oneandone.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450881047 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450881521 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1450881617 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1450883700 0 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1450883885 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450884079 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1450884099 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1450885727 0 :impomatic_!~digital_w@27.214.189.80.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450885966 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1450886769 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1450886888 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB < 1450886888 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 231600Z 06011KT 5SM BR OVC004 00/M01 A3027 RMK SF8 CIG VRB 3-5 SLP254 < 1450886903 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, the elusive double-naught! < 1450886926 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( uuuuh... what's a CIG VRB 3-5 again? ) < 1450887084 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450888435 0 :TellsTogo!~TellsTogo@62.205.125.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450889116 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to read any of that < 1450889255 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1450889255 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 231620Z AUTO 21009KT 9999 FEW047 10/06 Q1021 NOSIG < 1450889270 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The elusive ten-degree Christmas. < 1450890408 0 :TellsTogo!~TellsTogo@62.205.125.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450890520 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450891309 0 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450892507 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: flblblblblblblbl to you! < 1450892519 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYCG < 1450892520 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYCG 231700Z 35008KT 3SM -SN FEW009 BKN021 OVC042 M02/M03 A2951 RMK ST2SC4SC2 SLP013 < 1450892603 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: chelloppro. report taken at 5:00pm UTC today, 8 kt north winds, 3 miles visibility, light snow, few clouds at 900', broken clouds at 2100', ceiling at 4200'. < 1450892658 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1600 is 4pm < 1450892677 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is currently -2 °C, dew point at -3. pressure for Calgary Airport is 29.51 inHg, pressure for sea level 1001.3 hPa. < 1450892686 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1450892740 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-uxtgspxrfojbzlxx QUIT :Excess Flood < 1450893006 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-shztccddpyimtomw JOIN :#esoteric < 1450893351 0 :Lorena_!~invitada-@24.Red-176-87-171.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450893572 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I missed that you just did one < 1450893572 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1450893574 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :YCG? < 1450893837 0 :Lorena_!~invitada-@24.Red-176-87-171.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT : < 1450895430 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450895741 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1450895830 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450896406 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450896752 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Calgary. < 1450897236 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no < 1450897242 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's castlegar < 1450897244 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :YYC is calgary < 1450897460 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>'... < 1450897471 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't see nothing at all. la la la ♪ < 1450897474 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYC < 1450897475 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYC 231800Z 23003KT 40SM FEW180 BKN280 M11/M16 A2940 RMK AC1CI6 SLP033 < 1450897487 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, much more calgarylike. -11 °C. < 1450897547 0 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EDDL < 1450897548 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDDL 231850Z 18006KT CAVOK 08/06 Q1027 NOSIG < 1450897556 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mellolvar. what's EDDL? < 1450897579 0 :Melvar!~melvar@84.62.104.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Düsseldorf. I think that’s the nearest one to here. < 1450897783 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :any make expert here? <.< < 1450897820 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not-so-expert-but-i-used-it-in-the-past is enough < 1450897836 0 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1450897859 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so i have two indipendent part that are libraries to build < 1450897881 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my code is gcc -fPIC -DSOMETHING $(INC) -c -o $@.o $@.c; gcc $@.o -o $@ -shared -Wl,-soname,$@ < 1450897903 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i wrote all: part1 part2 < 1450897914 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in both i wrote that gcc line < 1450897938 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming this is not how i'm supposed to do it < 1450897964 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Ditihala 5* 10New user account < 1450898050 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm very tempted to just forget about make and write it in bash < 1450898096 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think you can do some wildcarding < 1450898241 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :make is totally on topic here, right? < 1450898270 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it forces you to do tabs < 1450898276 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's alright < 1450898279 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1450898378 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :make is strangely on topic for this channel. < 1450898408 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc someone wrote a lisp in gnu make < 1450898479 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGNT < 1450898480 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGNT 231850Z 16007KT 120V190 9999 FEW020 06/02 Q1009 < 1450898480 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't think something can be normally on-topic for this channel hth < 1450898493 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting hor to read those < 1450898497 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much everything on-topic here does so strangely. < 1450898710 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450898731 0 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450899099 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Class Diseases14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45961 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1967) 10Created Page < 1450899108 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any ideas for Class Diseases? < 1450899207 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, perhaps? < 1450899285 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Class Diseases14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45962&oldid=45961 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+79) 10/* Infection */ Finished a sentence < 1450899377 0 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-52-122-10.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450899654 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So here's an interesting quirk of my implementation of MathLISP < 1450899696 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you define a variable, it is internally represented as defining that variable in env then returning the value (unimportantly) and env. All functions work by returning a return value and env < 1450899717 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So (ASSGN "x" 5) assigns x to 5, but only for functions outside of it it seems < 1450899746 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So (do (ASSGN "x" 5) (PRINT (x)) raises an error, because < 1450899752 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1450899772 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So (do (ASSGN "x" 5) (PRINT (x))) raises an error, because x isn't defined in the second code thing < 1450899783 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that do evaluates each of its arguments and that's it < 1450899824 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that that's basically scope like in many C-like languages, but it behaves very differently AFAICT < 1450899849 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's depth-based instead of breadth-based, if that makes sense < 1450899932 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450899969 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I don't think that the (do...) thing will raise a syntax error, actually, due to the way I defined evaluating arguments < 1450899975 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So nevermind, things are logical again. < 1450900281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1450900293 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still trying to think of a way to make LOLCODE II actually eso < 1450900790 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm awakae! < 1450900811 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYB < 1450900811 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYB 231900Z 11016KT 15SM BKN005 OVC200 06/05 A2976 RMK SF7CC1 SLP091 < 1450900822 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH < 1450901124 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lake isn't even frozen! stupid santa, bring the snow already! < 1450901195 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450902570 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. I was unnear my laptop. < 1450902601 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\! how dare you be at +6 °C?!?!???!!!one!!1!!! < 1450902653 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like +10 here all day < 1450903091 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: could you please adjust the width of 沈? it juts a little bit too much to the right. < 1450903158 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap youre right I'll fix it < 1450903178 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 沈 < 1450903181 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+6C88 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-6C88] < 1450903323 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1450904015 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:5007:743a:99a9:5995 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450904015 0 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:5007:743a:99a9:5995 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450904122 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, boily it's coreceted < 1450904157 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bespokepasswords.com/ < 1450904312 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition I added 移衛益液演応往桜恩過賀快解格確額幹慣眼規義逆居許 < 1450904342 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: :D < 1450904345 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: :D < 1450904384 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I wonder if the traditional version for 桜 is yourfontable... < 1450904719 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1450904777 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I count eight horizontal lines, whick is on the edge but still doable < 1450905194 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 桜 < 1450905195 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+685C CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-685C] < 1450905223 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means cherry tree and is pronounced sakura < 1450905758 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1450906247 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1450906430 0 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1450906959 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450906962 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL that the "Royal We" is a real thing. < 1450907030 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1450908423 0 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1450909605 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo! I can now import libraries in MathLISP! < 1450909623 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only one I've tested is MSP libraries, but I'm about to test out Python libraries < 1450909784 0 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450909894 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what's "MathLISP"? < 1450909903 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Search/MathLISP says not found < 1450909946 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Not an esolang, per se, unless you consider LISP eso- < 1450909986 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a LISPy programming language I'm making for mathematicians and mathematics teachers, also made to have a formal mathematical language that's better than the one we have now (you know, 2+2=4) < 1450910091 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't consider LISP eso in general, although of course there can be eso LISPs. < 1450910118 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: is this an array programming language, that is, one where lots of operations automatically map through arrays? < 1450910164 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Not sure yet < 1450910176 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Still implementing library support; currently, python-defined libraries < 1450910196 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love python's getattr() and setattr() functions < 1450910203 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They make everything so much easier < 1450910208 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, __import__() < 1450910226 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily in the sense of matlab or those APL-likes where every variable stores an array, and scalars are arrays that have no axis, or two axis of size 1 each; but possibly like the K language where values are dynamically typed and may or may not be arrays. < 1450910301 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'll take me about an hour, and then I'll put up the fisrt version of my screenrc < 1450910301 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica is also an array language of the latter sense. I wonder if GAP counts as one though. < 1450910311 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450910318 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: good < 1450910328 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: in the meantime, any news about your font < 1450910329 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1450910676 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added 20 or so new chinese characters < 1450910699 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1450910729 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you also said you started Korean characters, and I didn't see that in the preview page < 1450910787 0 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:a5d8:13aa:40bc:ad3f JOIN :#esoteric < 1450910839 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Magic: the Gathering card called "Artificial Evolution" says the new creature type can't be Wall. This was due to old rules, but I think can still be important even in the new rules, even when none of the other cards in use have any special interactions with walls. < 1450910869 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: of course! eg. it still nerfs Artificial Evolution with Rolling Stones < 1450910914 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're saying when none of the other cards have any special interaction with walls? hmm < 1450910918 0 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450910965 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, does it count if you have normal walls in play, and cards that care about creature types shared or such things? < 1450910996 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean even if you don't have any normal walls in play either. < 1450911014 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are Un-cards allowed? < 1450911030 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in play" only? < 1450911044 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are things that care about creature types of objects not in play < 1450911045 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with no Un-cards < 1450911056 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even without other cards dealing with walls in other zones too < 1450911077 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm still trying to get them to not look like crap < 1450911163 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm. well, it could matter if you start to exhaust all hundreds of creature types with a very elaborate construction, but that's hard to imagine < 1450911171 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to imagine that it matters that is < 1450911223 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it could matter because it lets you target Artificial Evolution itself with an Artificial Evolution. < 1450911243 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait < 1450911261 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't target, and it doesn't matter anyway because you can choose any card, even one that doesn't mention creature types. < 1450911271 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1450911292 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/screenrc.htm < 1450911298 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can choose a spell/permanent even if it does not mention creature types. And I mean this can be important even when you aren't exhausing creature types < 1450911333 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1450911353 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1450911414 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, someone could have chosen Wall as a creature type for a previous effect. < 1450911468 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1450911472 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily for an Artificial Evolution, but for Conspiracy or Brass Herald etc, < 1450911502 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Door of Destinies, say. < 1450911505 0 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1450911542 0 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ſ < 1450911546 0 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1450911548 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it isn't using Conspiracy or Brass Herald etc either. I can show you the cards if you would want it < 1450911580 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It needn't be Brass Herald, there are tens of cards with "choose a creature type" or ""chooses a creature type" etc < 1450911616 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "creature type of your choice" even < 1450911634 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. Extinction < 1450911647 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, none of the other cards involved ask anyone to choose a creature type. < 1450911662 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1450911762 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If no card involved (card that is in the game, or was or will be or could be in the game if players and randomness so chooses) mention "Wall" in the text explicitly, and nobody chooses Wall as a creature type (possibly in the future), then I don't see how it could matter. < 1450911771 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than by running out of creature types that is. < 1450911788 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm wait a minute < 1450911971 0 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :control-2, U, " -> Ű < 1450912041 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: you may have lost your backslashes over there hth < 1450912111 0 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what backslashes? < 1450912117 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\ < 1450912118 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't see how it could matter. I was wondering if you could get a name collision between a token with creature type name and a card whose name contains the word "Wall", but that doesn't seem possible. < 1450912126 0 :oren!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\nick \oren\ < 1450912129 0 :oren!?@? NICK :\oren\ < 1450912154 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid irc and LaTeX being opposites < 1450912177 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a client < 1450912179 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I give up, how is it possible? < 1450912224 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opponent has Airdrop Condor and Force of Nature in play, and Artificial Evolution on stack targeting Airdrop Condor, and you have Fork in hand. < 1450912355 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how. < 1450912459 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh what < 1450912480 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450912494 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1450912578 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1450912606 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean you Fork the Evolution, Evolve the first Evolution so it says "The new creature type can't be Elemental"? < 1450912609 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1450912618 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don't get why you need Force of Nature for that < 1450912648 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, because Force of Nature is something the opponent would really love to sacrifice. < 1450912656 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice example! < 1450913127 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming language idea: Everything is defined in external libraries except for the import statement < 1450913134 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This includes syntax and semantics < 1450913187 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the syntax of the libraries? < 1450913208 0 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what resides at the Last Import? is it turtles all the way down? < 1450913482 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the import statement should be defined in external libraries too, from an external library that is imported by some means other than the import statement, eg. inlucded as default for every program. < 1450913505 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like the libc, haskell prelude, or pascal base library.) < 1450913539 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Possibly < 1450913547 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1450913556 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just invented the Interpeter < 1450913622 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Perhaps by default, it comes with a single one-use command called "i" that imports import < 1450913677 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how is the library written? < 1450913684 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don't see the point. Lots of programming languages import some base library by default. The three I listed aren't the only ones. < 1450913718 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you need a special command for that? You could have a special declaration or switch for _not_ importing the base library if you wish, but that doesn't matter. < 1450913731 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: An API < 1450913762 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't write the basic libraries in the language; those are written in Python or C or whatever language is convenient < 1450913971 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes it is what I mean. It does not say that the old creature type can't be Wall. < 1450913973 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. would it be possible to make a music synthesizer program that outputs mp3 or other compressed audio directly, rather than pcm? < 1450913986 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: well, it's not hard to imagine a language that only has function calls built-in, and the primitives of unlambda in a library. < 1450914010 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's a very nice example, yes. < 1450914035 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for walls, I always think of Mirror Wall, which got an oracle update after Wall stopped being special. < 1450914063 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really play it because it's a sub-par card, it's almost always easier to just get a turtle that can attack rightaway, but it's still a very interesting concept. < 1450914067 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1450914067 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mistform Wall < 1450914070 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Mirror Wall < 1450914071 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1450914072 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you did that, then, the compressed version would BE the original, so there would be no compression loss. < 1450914093 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though Mirror Wall is somewhat similar < 1450914181 0 :Elronnd!?@? NICK :kerio_is_a_boat < 1450914224 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another lossy format is Vorbis; I do not know much about how it works, in order to know much about such thing as directly synthesizing compressed audio < 1450914265 0 :kerio_is_a_boat!?@? NICK :Elronnd < 1450914324 0 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandoro do you have this where you live? < 1450914422 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. How do you spell "urza'swalk" and "power-Plantwalk", abilities that Traveler's Cloak can confer? < 1450914448 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know if you would spell like that or not, maybe add a space if you think it makes it more clearly < 1450914467 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Urza's Walk"? that could be a card name < 1450914495 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, perhaps one that grants that landwalk ability as well as doing other things too < 1450914524 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "Urza'a landwalk" and "Power-Plant landwalk" could work < 1450914529 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because an Urza's must be a land < 1450914544 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that could do too < 1450914664 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's already more Urza's Un-cards than you can probably remember, so another one called Urza's Walk doesn't sound impossible. < 1450914698 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an Un-set that has an Urza planeswalker < 1450914743 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm… maybe Urza's walk should conver planeswalk too, which works on planes in the command zone rather than in play. < 1450914816 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo! Imports now 100% work in MathLISP! Hopefully! < 1450915092 0 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow > 1450975859 796714 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450975861 478654 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1450975863 854582 JOIN :#esoteric > 1450975864 361242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1450975865 187937 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1450976536 698664 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1450976544 170144 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: merry christmas! < 1450976557 881323 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohai < 1450976561 916826 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was here all along, trust me. < 1450976567 17992 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely didn't disappear for six months. < 1450976569 146090 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1450976579 266797 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe not six months. < 1450976636 479859 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe DEFINITELY not, since I didn't disappear at all! < 1450976653 268137 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why glogbot isn't automatically relogging in when that system reboots... < 1450976655 337089 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well technically you could be messaged. < 1450976676 557251 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the response time was a little high, though. < 1450976781 96629 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realizes that "latency" contains "late" < 1450976849 366721 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not related, though... < 1450976883 823227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well it's a log bot not a relog bot < 1450976906 54167 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :*badum* < 1450976975 251956 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1450977319 158625 :boily!~alexandre@173.178.181.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grellogor! you're alive! < 1450978793 945229 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1450979175 567227 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :work ends in 45 minutes < 1450979180 776831 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 3 days to relax < 1450979208 857007 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-shztccddpyimtomw QUIT :Excess Flood < 1450979226 353867 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fmrwhlxufhttehnx JOIN :#esoteric < 1450979513 913045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1450979705 751874 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450979835 677802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450979943 435767 :boily!~alexandre@173.178.181.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to star wars. < 1450979944 796901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1450979951 278152 :boily!~alexandre@173.178.181.173 QUIT :Quit: WATCHING CHICKEN < 1450981824 606287 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1450984911 542358 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now developing a fully-online integrated mathematics classroom for some reason < 1450985257 796925 :TellsGoto!~TellsTogo@62-205-90-140.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1450985406 276190 :TellsTogo!~TellsTogo@62-205-90-140.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450985903 863316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?metar CYVR < 1450985904 401987 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 241900Z 02004KT 15SM FEW008 SCT020 BKN041 BKN058 OVC075 04/03 A2966 RMK SC1SC2SC3SC1AC1 SLP045 < 1450987912 944579 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450993032 948824 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1450993442 201162 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ETc. < 1450993585 3559 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1450994499 880284 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pandora14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45992&oldid=20386 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+13) 10dead link < 1450994564 588363 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ALPACA14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45993&oldid=37690 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+13) 10dead link < 1450994795 746607 :TellsGoto!~TellsTogo@62-205-90-140.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450995372 918556 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1450995695 885237 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:a5d8:13aa:40bc:ad3f QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1450995710 601593 :triggerwarning!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:a5d8:13aa:40bc:ad3f QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1450996068 505126 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1450996784 707944 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1450997789 831963 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1450997958 883450 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1450998037 117387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have other feature suggestion for AmigaMML/XISYNTH? The Redmine currently does not work so you cannot post in there. < 1450998315 975398 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1450998327 832306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arothmorphise/arothmorphise ... antormo... antrohm... ant... oh bugger. This should go in the `misspellings of antrhrop... atnhro...' entry. < 1450998332 967825 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1450998333 126802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] said 3h 36m 50s ago: When you get back from star warsing, tell me how you liked the plot twist < 1450998354 580982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot that you messages-loud. Whoops. < 1450998365 832288 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]! < 1450998372 406179 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwah ah ah. < 1450998375 548386 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, i guess we all knew there'd be a plot twist xD < 1450998400 563394 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it isn't a spoiler to note that there is one... < 1450998419 136250 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a plot, it has a twist by definition. < 1450998443 784355 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a good thing that I didn't say that one or more things that one or more characters did or was/were < 1450998448 356168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL: the syntax for the for loop variant with an initial declaration is for ( declaration expression_opt ; expression_opt ) statement which looks (at least to me) wrong at first glance -- one doesn't immediately realize the ; between the first and second part is syntactially part of the declaration. < 1450998482 268215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "old-fashioned" variant is the obvious for ( expression_opt ; expression_opt ; expression_opt ) statement which is fine. < 1451000276 983669 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451000280 247533 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1451000306 582101 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451000317 87560 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I make a sprite, given a direction represented by a number between 0 and 360, move forward? < 1451000347 768426 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried `x, y += sin(direc), cos(direc)` which didn't work < 1451000358 982945 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is weird because that works in Scratch < 1451002247 666752 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1451002328 890754 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :question: are there any sequences that give themselves after n>2 applications of run-length encoding (but after no fewer applications) < 1451002339 502635 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A short is 16 bits, right? < 1451002340 908617 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/2/1/ < 1451002387 191475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Long is 64? So what's 32? < 1451002401 540237 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is short 32 on systems where long is 64, and 16 where long is 32? < 1451002413 881169 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what's 16 on systems where long is 64? < 1451002447 55375 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think short is always 16 < 1451003070 532808 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Then what's 32 on a 64-bit system? < 1451003083 618980 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :medium? xD < 1451003109 210524 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to propose a new data type < 1451003116 444802 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called the "unnecessary" < 1451003143 61154 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's equal to 65,536 bits. < 1451003346 841403 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. Word it is. < 1451003384 419976 :jaboja!~jaboja@83.20.125.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451003411 273740 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a "scientific" data type < 1451003414 794214 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 bits < 1451005125 339921 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: A short is 16 or more bits. < 1451005135 190675 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: In common implementations it's 16 unconditionally. < 1451005144 378580 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ah < 1451005164 132393 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An int is also 16 or more bits, and in common implementations it's 32 unconditionally. < 1451005181 865064 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :long is 32 or more bits, and generally 32 or 64. < 1451005187 474402 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And long long is always 64 or more. < 1451005201 797106 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but in common implementations always 64) < 1451005346 764802 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I ask because I'm working on TypeMaker < 1451005489 84139 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided that, in the typemaker stdlib, bool is actually just a 1-bit unsigned integer < 1451005533 721595 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can (pretending this is valid syntax) do 5+True, and it equals 6 < 1451005878 60516 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Huh. < 1451005945 577359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put another way, typical (short, int, long, long long) tuplets are (16, 32, 32, 64) and (16, 32, 64, 64) -- the former for "32-bit systems" and 64-bit Windows, the latter for 64-bit non-Windows. "Small" systems (and old MS-DOS compilers) can be (16, 16, 32, 64) or possibly just (16, 16, 32) if they don't do long long. < 1451006166 692760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that those are the only possibilities, just the common ones. I think I recall a Motorola DSP56k C implementation where it's (24, 24, 48, not supported). < 1451006255 722431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And a 24-bit char.) < 1451006460 574059 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pretty specifically just describing the standard + common implementation choices. But, yeah. < 1451006522 195947 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I know there's no point in doing so now, I'd *like* to see a DOS-targetting C compiler that outputs code in real mode that does (16, 32, 32, 64) and flat memory addressing. < 1451006544 363835 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be pointless but humorous. < 1451006612 276899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I just liked to see them summarized like that. < 1451006662 694153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TI compiler for the TMS320C54x has (char, short, int, long, long long) set of (16, 16, 16, 32, kinda-sorta 40). < 1451006693 893076 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if you wanted to be *really* silly you could write a C compiler that runs in real mode while supporting EMS and similar for data. < 1451006698 86780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it can do arithmetic for long long, but it uses that for some intrinsics that make use of the 40-bit accumulators. < 1451006789 592907 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, so you can do things on a IBM PC with an expansion board installed. < 1451006851 178960 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there Pope Numbers? By analogy to Cardinal Numbers? < 1451007125 729607 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, Priest Numbers? And Acolyte Numbers? And any-other-catholicy-word Numbers? < 1451007193 345813 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1451007198 704674 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A generalization of sets < 1451007213 334353 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that this generalization's equivalent of the Cardinals < 1451007222 338972 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a proper superset of the reals < 1451007230 859419 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at the very least, the rationals < 1451007240 899930 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: What do you think? < 1451007270 680512 :jaboja!~jaboja@83.20.125.32 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1451007337 274863 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe the Gausses < 1451007947 219999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing real mode DOS program isn't completely useless, I think. Some people might use it, possibly with FreeDOS or DOSBOX instead of MS-DOS, though. < 1451008007 729259 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The main thing that makes it useless is the set of people who would use it have at least a 386, so are quite satisfied by DJGPP. < 1451008011 190292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But there are problems with DOSBOX; some things are not implemented properly, both hardware and software emulation have a few things wrong. I think one is CGA high-colour mode, which has never been used until recently anyways) < 1451008035 871546 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, DOSBOX has a few issues, largely because DOSBOX primarily targets games. < 1451008048 822022 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so if it's not used by an old school DOS game they mostly don't care. < 1451008131 430753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they need to make the version that they do care ("DOSBOX Professional Edition"?), such as by the forked version, that does it more. < 1451008142 140501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even some stuff having to do with game is not quite working properly < 1451008155 815269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, could be useful to have with some games, such as quicksave/quickload features < 1451008171 218541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to have a debugger included too though < 1451008442 546671 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451008450 549660 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451008748 316957 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1451008764 988617 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: really, phrases like "cardinal numbers", "ordinal numbers", "surreal numbers", and so forth are just mnemonics. < 1451008809 901701 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's this thing called the "number galaxy" which describes all of the different types of numbers there are. < 1451008818 320759 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Galaxy" is an overstatement; there are only 20 of them. < 1451008846 777933 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451008861 384237 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, he's gone. I can no longer lie to him. < 1451008936 42377 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] I bet your sin() and cos() take their arguments in radians. < 1451008936 201125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451009323 833955 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451009749 95286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of my idea of TVMIDI? < 1451011656 779856 :jaboja!~jaboja@esf32.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451012394 819212 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451012500 719201 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451013471 465612 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. < 1451013487 750247 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a TVMIDI? < 1451013875 616930 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451013990 246282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A way to control such device as TV cable box or satellite box with MIDI < 1451014392 730345 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451014655 849250 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451014755 59017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to tell 7-Zip to compress a file from stdin but give it a different name in the archive? < 1451015086 154320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a E_NOINTERFACE error when I try. < 1451015410 795695 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451015593 297604 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: DISSIMILAR CHICKEN < 1451015675 899136 :jaboja!~jaboja@esf32.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451015931 589308 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders when #esoteric turned into ##unixTechSupport < 1451016984 755033 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1451017475 85680 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451017530 695638 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1451017947 154665 :andrew!~andrew@183.39.114.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451018662 745345 :jaboja!~jaboja@esf32.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451019346 278650 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-fouzakpbzbxlgkqa QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451020501 288679 :jaboja!~jaboja@esf32.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451025266 669421 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1451025988 764006 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] I tried `x, y += sin(direc), cos(direc)` which didn't work <-- imo sin and cos are switched hth < 1451025989 383478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451026285 652148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out how to do what I asked; I found a PHP program to do that so I used that. < 1451026490 239267 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia question: are there any sequences that give themselves after n>2 applications of run-length encoding (but after no fewer applications) <-- almost certainly... < 1451026490 583779 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451026550 556955 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia unless you mean _finite_ sequences - a well-known theorem of the look-and-say sequences is that 22 is the only non-exploding one. < 1451026550 903088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451026742 711891 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ls = map (show . length <> take 1) . group in iterate ls "1" < 1451026745 179213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘[Char]’ with ‘Char’ < 1451026745 338308 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [String] -> [String] < 1451026745 338401 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: [Char] -> [String] < 1451026749 519351 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1451026770 197326 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ls = concatMap (show . length <> take 1) . group in iterate ls "1" < 1451026773 22910 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["1","11","21","1211","111221","312211","13112221","1113213211","31131211131... < 1451026795 675949 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah that's not long enough to see the repetition < 1451026847 906836 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats lambdabot for its short answers -----### < 1451026883 599501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look and say sequence is, each one is the run-length-encoding of the previous one. I have figured out how to prove that numbers greater than 3 does not occur and that "333" does not occur. < 1451026979 818947 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: then i suggest the next step is to show that every sequence will eventually have only numbers starting with 1 or 3, or only numbers starting with 2. < 1451026999 981733 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's enough to tell you atoms ought to exist. < 1451027031 525670 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest is just checking every possible case, i think < 1451027187 734828 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((::**)~^)((((:(((((((((((_)(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)(!^))~*^^S!)(:a(~^)*~(()(~(~(:a~*):^))(a))~*^^)):^(()~)~**~^(:)~((a(~^)*~**)~a)~a(**~:((:)~(*)**)~a*~(^))**a(~*^^^!!^)***(~)~a(~a*^:)**a(:)**~^!!!a(~^)*~**)~a((, )S:^)**^):^ < 1451027189 345978 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3, 13, 1113, 3113, 132113, 1113122113, 311311222113, 13211321322113, 1113122113121113222113, 31131122211311123113322113, 132113213221133112132123222113, 11131221131211132221232112111312111213322113, 31131122211311123113321112131221123113111231121123222113, 132113213221133112132123123112111311222112 ...out of time! < 1451027221 362129 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that starts with 3 < 1451027233 806114 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (()~^)((((:(((((((((((_)(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)(!^))~*^^S!)(:a(~^)*~(()(~(~(:a~*):^))(a))~*^^)):^(()~)~**~^(:)~((a(~^)*~**)~a)~a(**~:((:)~(*)**)~a*~(^))**a(~*^^^!!^)***(~)~a(~a*^:)**a(:)**~^!!!a(~^)*~**)~a((, )S:^)**^):^ < 1451027235 181859 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 11, 21, 1211, 111221, 312211, 13112221, 1113213211, 31131211131221, 13211311123113112211, 11131221133112132113212221, 3113112221232112111312211312113211, 1321132132111213122112311311222113111221131221, 11131221131211131231121113112221121321132132211331222113112211, 3113112221131112311311121321123113213 ...out of time! < 1451027239 913068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although I am not sure what the "atoms" are, that ought to exist? < 1451027309 661222 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look-and-say_sequence#Cosmological_Decay < 1451027797 421443 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia looking at the l&s sequence starting with 1, i'm pretty sure that the 1113122 prefix recurs every 3 steps and will grow to an infinite sequence that does the same. < 1451027797 777045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451027961 367520 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ls = concatMap (show . length <> take 1) . group in let p = ls . ls . ls $ "1113122" ++ drop 7 p in p < 1451027963 226846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "111312211312111322212321121113121112131112132112311321322112111312212321121... < 1451027978 462908 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia > let ls = concatMap (show . length <> take 1) . group in let p = ls . ls . ls $ "1113122" ++ drop 7 p in p < 1451027978 855338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451028257 104709 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1451030688 903031 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451032081 745774 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfcdoes ls do < 1451032100 799360 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's look and say < 1451032117 192972 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1451032171 720734 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ls = show . length <> take 1 <=< group in iterate ls "1" < 1451032173 912980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["1","11","21","1211","111221","312211","13112221","1113213211","31131211131... < 1451032181 826980 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even shorter < 1451032214 256002 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf are <=< and <> < 1451032217 512042 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice <=< < 1451032229 538819 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<=<) < 1451032231 220422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => (b -> m c) -> (a -> m b) -> a -> m c < 1451032243 173990 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f <=< g = \x -> g x >>= f < 1451032243 950433 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kleisli arrow composition, or something! < 1451032261 336561 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> is mappend, which is pointwise on functions < 1451032269 742848 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god < 1451032274 818725 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fixion explains everything < 1451032288 465718 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (<=<) `asAppliedTo` unsafeCoerce < 1451032288 910940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<=<) `asAppliedTo` unsafeCoerce < 1451032290 358490 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, <=< is like a monadic version of . < 1451032307 666729 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was a thing. ;_; < 1451032334 134320 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t asAppliedTo < 1451032335 798691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> a -> a -> b < 1451032358 414249 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what < 1451032393 253348 :andrew!~andrew@183.39.114.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451032408 367101 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> asAppliedTo succ 1 2 < 1451032410 187742 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1451032418 528895 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> asAppliedTo succ undefined 2 < 1451032420 410230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1451032429 761389 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's similar to asTypeOf < 1451032452 925833 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just drops an argument? < 1451032470 997604 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but forces the two arguments to be the same type. < 1451032489 763554 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> asAppliedTo succ 0.0 2 < 1451032491 623701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0 < 1451032529 267609 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> asAppliedTo succ 'a' minBound < 1451032531 274098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\SOH' < 1451032531 772607 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451032791 627881 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it's a trick for resolving ambiguous types. these days most use the ScopedTypeVariables extension instead. < 1451033769 374021 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's what the fixion is < 1451034313 161616 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns about the neutron electric dipole moment < 1451034545 808114 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, it's unobserved but the upper bound is five orders of magnitude larger than the boring theoretical prediction. sounds within range in the future... < 1451034627 337796 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(boring because a larger one could help explain matter vs. antimatter) < 1451035427 345204 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Valery Nesvizhevsky of the Institute Laue-Langevin and colleagues found that cold neutrons moving in a gravitational field do not move smoothly but jump from one height to another, as predicted by quantum theory." < 1451035544 275517 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A vague half-memory is telling me I was the person who first added asAppliedTo to lambdabot < 1451036640 798427 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451037078 997102 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451037585 76249 :kragniz!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu NICK :a_kragmas_tree < 1451039991 940763 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa, sweet < 1451040354 749255 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: which part? < 1451040391 197783 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last line < 1451040447 112447 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it pretty much says that gravitation _is_ quantum, we just don't know how yet < 1451040491 189622 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did they figure that? < 1451040527 243859 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, it's from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultracold_neutrons#Observation_of_the_gravitational_interactions_of_the_neutron < 1451040611 592683 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reference but it's not linked properly. < 1451040740 95190 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found it while wikiwalking from today's xkcd. < 1451043858 869270 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1451045233 906918 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ncxibbrwpolsucds JOIN :#esoteric < 1451045462 719757 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451046723 79761 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1451047037 537411 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RFOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45994&oldid=34003 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+1) 10/* Explanation (if ever were one needed) */ < 1451047842 424 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451047969 29456 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1451048302 542567 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451050208 546293 :izabera!~izabera@ec2-52-25-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host < 1451050208 743904 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1451051976 660439 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merry Christmas guys < 1451052621 596549 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :merry christmas < 1451055507 66368 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this for my uni's CS society: https://twitter.com/HackSoc/status/680315314941366272 < 1451055916 60115 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++[>++++++++<-]>[>+>+<<-]>+>++++++++.<.++.-->+++.[->+>+<<]>++++++++++++++.++++++.-------.----->++.<<<.>>. < 1451055916 256861 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HACKY_XMAS < 1451056287 172914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just watched the Queen's Christmas Message for the first time. < 1451056297 719363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be impolite to say it was just a tiny bit boring? < 1451056440 852302 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those capital-T Traditions < 1451059488 742584 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1451059831 198790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45995&oldid=45861 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (-90) 10/* Interpreter */ < 1451060554 759672 :Sgeo|Hell!18e43ef5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.228.62.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451060668 165987 :Sgeo|Hell!18e43ef5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.228.62.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apartment being renovated. Stuck at dad and step-mom house. I may have frowned at her when I saw her at the airport, she's pissed off. I wasn't expecting to see her, dad had previously said he didn't think she'd wake up early to meet me after I indicated I'd rather avoid seeing her < 1451060710 913601 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1451060713 257033 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MERRY ESOTERICHRISTMAS! < 1451060742 943255 :Sgeo|Hell!18e43ef5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.228.62.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merry coming back to the USA to a nightmare mas < 1451060782 970415 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily. merreux juvidad! < 1451060822 67921 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|Hell: eep < 1451060943 470537 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|Hell, next year if you can pretend to be a university student you can come to my parents' instead < 1451061039 630310 :Sgeo|Hell!18e43ef5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.228.62.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to hear from someone objective I think. And also independence. That would be nice. < 1451061084 118847 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|Hello. how many brimstone pits out of ten would you rate your Hell? < 1451061097 111263 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to be objective about such things < 1451061362 385489 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never quite noticed whether Sgeo|Hell's family celebrates christmas or not < 1451061391 481869 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/noticed/got quite clear on/ < 1451061413 482607 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'm not sure whether that would make it better or worse. < 1451061529 592379 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.3 < 1451061609 754092 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1451061633 102080 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is suddenly reminded of one of his mother's memorable statements, which translates to approximately "You ought to be able to have fun with people you don't like." < 1451061696 763573 :Sgeo|Hell!18e43ef5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.228.62.245 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1451061738 81381 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo pinged out. are they still alive? < 1451061770 532041 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451061778 379084 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we're going to be celebrating christmas here at my parent's house. I don't know how many people will come, and I'll most certainly not know them all. < 1451062102 385536 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any crazy aunts or uncles < 1451062224 642118 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451062294 773616 :Sgeo|Phone!18e43ef5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.228.62.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451062342 127310 :Sgeo|Phone!18e43ef5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.228.62.245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Family is Jewish, no Christmas celebrations. Also, webchat on phone is annoying, I think phone swaps out web pages frequently, hence my ping out < 1451062385 592629 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451062445 768055 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: more like cousins with creative backstories. < 1451062641 812357 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want to find that old "jiddishkeit" test i once read... < 1451062746 111228 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was back on usenet and i cannot find any trace on it. except i recall there was one question that had question options ranging to "hannukah bush" and "christmas tree" < 1451062794 647861 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*answer options < 1451062822 426416 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also noticed hannukah was early this year < 1451062833 651335 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it some kind of geek code test? < 1451062848 506333 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar, maybe < 1451062900 512605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christmas is not just for Christians, although it is where the name comes from. It is a national holiday too. < 1451062940 193269 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ooh adding geek code i found it http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/98/Apr/yiddishkeit.html < 1451063016 759733 :Sgeo|Phone!18e43ef5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.228.62.245 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1451063202 458492 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls having a .sig file < 1451063384 767407 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1451065067 894371 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL there are Yemenite Reconstructionists. < 1451065219 130905 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering about that one < 1451065350 251962 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have multiples wives and/or husbands and/or fungots? < 1451065350 411337 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that is good to remove). < 1451065364 129914 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, no fungots. < 1451065364 447928 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: to a max of 3 digits, i think that's actually a meme on a forum about 15 minutes to encounter an error? < 1451065388 144908 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :999 luftfungots ♪ < 1451065388 336494 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: some demos at fnord were just some interesting ideas, but it would work much better then < 1451065675 375321 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-fmrwhlxufhttehnx QUIT :Excess Flood < 1451065716 568856 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-yvowxjlyerjdvoao JOIN :#esoteric < 1451067990 596745 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451069443 981573 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451069584 40834 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1451070236 11040 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1451071021 734494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you still have the .sig file? < 1451071468 746799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to run my own NNTP server in order to invent Unusenet; all of the group names must start with "un" and then optionally a number and then a dot, and then the rest is in RDN format. If the number is included, it is used to specify how to find the primary server; if no number is specified then it means the primary server is unspecified. < 1451071770 993149 :deltab!~deltab@cpc2-smal2-0-0-cust22.19-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451071885 571689 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451072302 962670 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451072431 539684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a Un-card suggested by my brother: In A Band With Others {1W} Enchantment - Aura ;; Enchant creature ;; Whenever enchanted creature attacks as part of a band containing additional creatures, its controller must sing a song during the entire duration of the attack. Combat damage is not dealt until song is complete. < 1451072676 886715 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451072792 800053 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i have some old .sig files concatenated in .sig.old < 1451072888 259444 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. you have a brother? < 1451072977 236578 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: GENERATIONAL CHICKEN < 1451073556 641127 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KGRR < 1451073557 270909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KGRR 251953Z 32006KT 10SM FEW028 SCT250 08/M01 A3027 RMK AO2 SLP255 T00781011 < 1451073600 5028 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me what SLP255 means? < 1451073635 967823 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451073698 812994 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451073703 744551 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451074126 999910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have brother < 1451075452 304035 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1451075814 578710 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1451075960 320684 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1451076641 791446 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451077092 670486 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451077109 783449 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451078354 245014 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :net < 1451078364 468274 :net!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :Elronnd < 1451078709 958585 :infinitymaster!~infinitym@207-118-91-211.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451079769 794946 :dcentral!~IGLC@40.141.44.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451080230 611099 :dcentral!~IGLC@40.141.44.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1451080585 422766 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451081080 432455 :infinitymaster!~infinitym@207-118-91-211.dyn.centurytel.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451081400 276986 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.176 QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1451081422 284759 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Quit: quit < 1451081660 376567 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1451082752 977857 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1451084399 986275 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1451085957 903990 :deltab!~deltab@cpc1-smal2-0-0-cust155.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: current barometric pressure extrapolated to sea level is 1025.5 hPa < 1451085976 756409 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. Sea-level pressure. < 1451086701 961057 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deltab: Are you a bot? That message looked bery botty < 1451086768 850557 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Here's an idea for a language. A full, TC-with-IO-and-shit language. Based entirely on matched brackets (not necessarily all parentheses) < 1451086797 653268 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ey was answering my question. < 1451086800 490758 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better, a full-blown mathematical logic/calculus/whatever < 1451086801 133218 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1451086816 850010 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What does SLP255 mean?" "It means current barometric pressure extrapolated to sea level is 1025.5 hPa." < 1451086821 234723 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1451086861 866347 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't logged in until the response, which looked like it was autofetched and formatted into a pre-made message < 1451086887 206643 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What do you think of the Bracket Logic idea? < 1451086904 178441 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it'd be declarative < 1451087099 281979 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably be a preprocessor that lets you generate strings < 1451087191 688582 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... sounds a lot like Lisp or something. < 1451087206 863123 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, y'know, without the things other than parentheses. < 1451087277 348349 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, here's an idea. < 1451087296 39238 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure how, but I've ended up in an argument in another channel about whether Unicode adding emoji is a bad thing or not < 1451087301 536389 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm on the "not" side) < 1451087308 142908 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the Iota "i" operator. < 1451087325 836420 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: OK. < 1451087336 270204 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(abc...) means (i a b c ...). < 1451087337 195599 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION robs the Museum of Eso and takes the Iota "i" operator < 1451087355 229467 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I follow < 1451087356 316959 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now < 1451087363 929586 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for example, ((()())(()())(()())) means (i (i i i) (i i i) (i i i)). < 1451087387 395970 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I get it < 1451087394 292766 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do < 1451087416 300432 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :() -> i; (...) -> (i ...) < 1451087426 751252 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1451087429 620175 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something along those lines < 1451087444 264748 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works, but I was thinking of a more parenthesis-rich language < 1451087472 987330 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... more than 100% parentheses? < 1451087477 638820 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...), [...], {...}, <...>, (*...*), [|...|], etc. etc. etc. < 1451087488 733564 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1451087494 142647 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could probably be reduced to pure parentheses, but I would avoid that < 1451087506 131908 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd want to try to make it something new, instead of just OISP < 1451087521 489552 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One Instruction Set Computer+LISP) < 1451087551 176754 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I guess that's looking for a little much, as I'm not a real mathematician yet xD < 1451087552 849100 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, make it so that () uses the S operator, [] uses the K operator, and {} uses the I operator. < 1451087565 132564 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to be confused with the Iota "i" operator. < 1451087585 885544 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: But that's not "new", that's just combinatory logic with a slightly new (and, admittedly, probably better) syntax < 1451087594 7518 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1451087634 887606 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You should write a short paper on []=S, {}=K combinatory logic. See if we can get it adopted into common use.) < 1451087635 669311 :infinitymaster!~infinitym@207-118-91-211.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451087658 774610 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: My initial thought was to make {}=0, {{}}=1, etc. < 1451087670 178769 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I realized that that's not as much fun as what I /could/ do < 1451087694 348483 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a highly-extensible logic of some sort based entirely around matched brackets. THAT is my goal. < 1451087706 276650 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A compound logic/esolang < 1451088046 60222 :a_kragmas_tree!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu NICK :kragniz < 1451088491 735174 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451089245 21597 :Tat-Tvam-Asi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451089426 627230 :infinitymaster!~infinitym@207-118-91-211.dyn.centurytel.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1451089666 256843 :Tat-Tvam-Asi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there difference between cause and effect? < 1451089687 442708 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause causes effect, effect doesn't effect cause < 1451089867 254964 :Tat-Tvam-Asi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera> but are they different?.. are they two object different? or are they onlyone < 1451089937 454444 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause is the reason an effect occurs < 1451091766 787353 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451091884 617284 :Tat-Tvam-Asi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1451092244 399714 :sat-buddhi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451092664 242007 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? photograph < 1451092665 2468 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A photograph is a device for creating photograms. < 1451092706 319453 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1451092859 671403 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451094812 885327 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :Enronnd < 1451095235 251044 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451095710 617305 :sat-buddhi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1451097210 764455 :jaboja!~jaboja@esa180.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451099177 795850 :Enronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :Elronnd < 1451099889 638875 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451100320 570174 :jaboja!~jaboja@esa180.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451100357 134726 :jaboja!~jaboja@esa180.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451100477 687787 :jaboja!~jaboja@esa180.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451100546 94040 :jaboja!~jaboja@esa180.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451101136 581299 :andrew!~andrew@119.122.32.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451102060 9431 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I'm on my computer again < 1451102074 265438 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1451105526 385624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would characters of the level20.tex to compare with colors of mana of Magic: the Gathering? < 1451105747 777117 :andrew!~andrew@119.122.32.102 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451105774 588890 :andrew!~andrew@119.122.32.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451106033 475762 :jaboja64!~jaboja@eru75.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451106200 761907 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451106213 910780 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1451106220 380679 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HexChat's broken < 1451106227 871884 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It keeps crashing when I launch the main application < 1451106264 421368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the problem < 1451106265 622857 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:2d0b:65b9:18c4:f9bb JOIN :#esoteric < 1451106278 52789 :jaboja!~jaboja@esa180.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451106279 554881 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, there's a new data type I'd like to see languages implementing, and thus will be including in the TypeMaker/TypeFactory/Factory stdlib most likely < 1451106286 647971 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "fuzz" < 1451106343 990585 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, a fuzz of bitwidth w is equal to, with the unsigned integer n that its encoding represents, n/2**w < 1451106366 13550 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically, is is used for representing values in fuzzy logic or members of fuzzy sets < 1451106704 503851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that similar to the numeric data type in Kvikkalkul? < 1451106729 563393 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Haven't heard of that type nor that language < 1451106910 566027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Kvikkalkul it is signed with one's complement, although it seems similar. < 1451107552 529748 :andrew!~andrew@119.122.32.102 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1451107888 81094 :jaboja64!~jaboja@eru75.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451108708 965763 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, no, it isn't quite like kivikkalkul < 1451108751 540381 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type has a minimum value of 0 and a maximum of 1; essentially, it's fixed point with the decimal point at the very beginning < 1451108794 883604 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a completetly unrelated note, I need detailed (but understandable) informtion on the exact behavior of Floating Point on machines for my language < 1451109975 785465 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1451111273 988657 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hp..dangit < 1451111281 437176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[wc] http://www.h-schmidt.net/FloatConverter/IEEE754.html < 1451111281 863369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451111487 825309 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should have tried to learn Hebrew BEFORE my trip to Israel < 1451111516 888011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first time I showed up there I didn't speak any Hebrew. < 1451111522 760040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did fine. < 1451111722 776111 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1451111724 667778 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl 6 released < 1451111732 347043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merry Christmas! < 1451112644 827509 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the official version is 6.c (Christmas) < 1451112777 776711 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451112894 938562 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, perl6 was released? < 1451112896 232870 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot! < 1451112933 328585 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, but my OS's pkg repos haven't upgraded yet < 1451112937 271356 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it manually < 1451113581 352722 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, perl 6 itself was released < 1451113602 706254 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rakudo also had a release, but it doesn't claim to implent Perl 6 100% correctly. < 1451114153 585234 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rakudo"? < 1451119970 668138 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1451120489 94471 :hppavilion[wc]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1451121609 147953 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Basically, a fuzz of bitwidth w is equal to, with the unsigned integer n that its encoding represents, n/2**w <-- i think that doesn't include 1, which may be a bit awkward. also, i'd call that a probability. < 1451121622 9399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: But n/2**w isn't quite doing that < 1451121646 711504 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I got my order of operations right < 1451121650 127005 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the problem? < 1451121652 891842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I already said it isn't the same; the type in kvikkalkul is signed and yours is unsigned so that is already different) < 1451121662 563109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same problem oerjan mentioned < 1451121684 556822 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah < 1451121701 105098 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, in addition, it's nothing like kvikkalkul's numeric IIRC < 1451121722 35300 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/2**w-1 might work < 1451121724 691777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something such as n/(2**w+1) has the correct range but may result with strange calculations. < 1451121729 176158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean 2**w-1 < 1451121732 221207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like you said < 1451121748 947433 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just hope that w!=0 < 1451121760 394170 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2**0-1=1-1=0) < 1451121799 546848 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think conflating 0 and 1 is inevitable if you have 0 bits < 1451121812 486168 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it all works out. < 1451121823 984557 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fair enough < 1451121840 18461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do mean n/(2**w+1) but it might make multiplication more difficult? < 1451121840 608424 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So your only option would be 0/0, I suppose < 1451121863 699967 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, you do mean - < 1451121890 208042 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is pretty sure < 1451121894 112552 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the `void fuzz` type is equal to all real numbers. And complex ones, probably < 1451121931 603187 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just call it the tao. which is incidentally also equal to tau. < 1451121935 322911 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, from the standpoint of what happens when you graph it, 0/0 is equal to all possible slopes < 1451121958 829978 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In my MathLISP math.constants library I included pi, tau, and pau < 1451121975 74720 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and e and stuff, of course. But that's not really important) < 1451121992 528223 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to propose we stop using the constant "e" and start using "j" < 1451122000 498123 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :j=12e < 1451122049 441417 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, h < 1451122083 88288 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT, no, k < 1451122115 676418 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because k is the pos('e')*12%25+1th letter of the alphabet < 1451122163 364591 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: j is already taken by the engineers as a synonym for i. < 1451122176 648179 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, for some strange reason < 1451122185 162587 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they use i for something else < 1451122198 460823 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus, mathematicians should probably speak Mandarin < 1451122201 497057 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, current, but i think that's capitalized. < 1451122220 596309 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Unlike your use of the word "I" < 1451122239 95562 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FAIL TO SEE THE PROBLEM < 1451122242 839494 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1451122277 957139 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would've been funnIer If you capItalIzed everythIng /except/ "I" in that sentence < 1451122384 208907 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I probably should have tried to learn Hebrew BEFORE my trip to Israel <-- i hear it takes 10 years to get proficient enough to read a newspaper, or something like that. < 1451122421 606056 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tOo lAtE NoW. < 1451122571 212726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: took me less than that hth < 1451122575 62149 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mandarin/hebrew deathmatch: which has the worst writing system? < 1451122588 103184 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: DON'T RUIN SCIENCE WITH YOUR FACTS < 1451122599 231148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hebrew's writing system is pretty simple < 1451122615 584002 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/writing/reading/ < 1451122654 112976 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mandarin, the writing tells you more than the pronunciation does. in hebrew, less. < 1451122688 166377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're confused about a word you can look it up letter by letter in a dictionary < 1451122694 874474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems p. simple to me < 1451122716 380265 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't help when you're confused about which grammatical form it is, and they're written the same. < 1451122730 385672 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course mandarin cheats by not having grammatical forms) < 1451122789 586086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it is kind of complicated sometimes < 1451122808 126475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have an example of the sort of thing you mean twh < 1451122835 646014 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is that most of the inflections are in the vowels, which are not written hth < 1451122851 368736 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what, you expect me to know hebrew? or mandarin for that matter.) < 1451122861 190304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mandarin mandarout < 1451122938 461246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ktiv_hasar_niqqud yo < 1451123319 246447 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], < 1451123335 888743 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Sgeo! < 1451123338 311273 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.h-schmidt.net/FloatConverter/IEEE754.html < 1451123339 624785 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're back! < 1451123385 246563 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], but in parents' house, with no easy access to a shower, and completely unable to execute my old routine < 1451123397 251917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the constant possibility of seeing my step-mom < 1451123408 996688 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sucks :/ < 1451123411 618036 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ssume < 1451123414 551086 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't feel back. I feel like I just left a pleasant vacation and into an unpleasant one < 1451123414 710799 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*assume < 1451123432 600987 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a top-down shooter :) < 1451123466 985326 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the world renderer working (well, one of them. There'll be two: A text-based one and a super-leet gzip'd JSON one) < 1451123531 436585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I do mean - but I am tired at this time and make mistakes < 1451123560 237607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I make a lot of mistakes. I certainly do mean - but sometimes I type something else by mistake < 1451123610 30985 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1451123735 154213 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok i guess mandarin wins, then. < 1451123770 117385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a chinese friend told me i should learn mandarin tdnh < 1451123809 772429 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ask him about the sesame credit < 1451123833 430264 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am curious about it being the stuff youtube said < 1451123858 46295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :her < 1451123867 41754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how gendered it is < 1451123885 631398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should just learn finnish < 1451123906 790654 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what for? < 1451123908 844742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hän < 1451124000 958543 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: From my year and a half of after school mandarin, I can tell you they beat english by having a gender-neutral pronoun. Really, ONLY a gender neutral pronoun. < 1451124038 981710 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To angelicize it, Tah shir wah'd mae-mae means "(s)he is my little sister" < 1451124063 458553 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's also better in that there isn't a special possessive for yourself, it's just me's < 1451124099 813657 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, being better than english is not that hard < 1451124118 213978 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should invent, and then learn, a spoken language based on Combinatory Logic < 1451124132 376406 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban < 1451124148 368606 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not combinatory < 1451124156 179668 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but predicates < 1451124156 868260 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: True. But "being better than english" is still a pretty big step in being a not-entirely-shit language < 1451124164 873180 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yeah. < 1451124189 194264 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you say "she kicked the bucket" in Combinese? < 1451124218 829333 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Spoken language based on Semi-Thue Systems, or Turing Machines. Lulz.) < 1451124230 572162 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually like french way more than english. i nearly don't speak a word in it, though < 1451124234 897494 :sat-buddhi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451124250 223409 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From now on, when I use the string 'horse' it is to be interpretted as 'HEIL SATAN'" < 1451124272 916277 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vice versa < 1451124280 642888 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kicked Bucket She perhaps? < 1451124295 875439 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look, that HEIL SATAN broke a leg < 1451124296 942212 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kick-did bucket she? < 1451124315 298033 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome sat-buddhi < 1451124321 69511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sat-buddhi: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1451124340 58545 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there so for relcomes these days? < 1451124341 683809 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Little HEIL SATAN, My Little HEIL SATAN, ah-ah-ah-ah... < 1451124374 543264 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: stop that, i'm trying to unconfuse sat-buddhi about what this channel is about < 1451124386 320162 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pony isn't the same as horse < 1451124401 413699 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's about nerds < 1451124405 459011 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the Semi-Thue System language is based on meaning rather than on literal representation < 1451124454 895855 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: also, it's because of the relcome haters < 1451124470 155321 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1451124484 651683 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've subdued us < 1451124500 742890 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange people < 1451124505 740664 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with their powerful frowns < 1451124510 619063 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be acceptable to document esoteric non-programming languages on the wiki? < 1451124524 759140 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1451124532 699644 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i'm gonna make an executive decision: no. < 1451124542 235038 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, a language designed to be spoken or a markup language < 1451124547 595397 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why? < 1451124558 256055 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for spoken. markup could pass. < 1451124583 725550 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's afaik a conlang community. < 1451124587 301403 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Dammit, now we need a sister wiki for spoken languages xD < 1451124598 409563 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But they don't have a beautiful wiki like we do < 1451124600 943714 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i used to subscribe to their list.) < 1451124614 877840 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what if it was a spoken language that is deeply rooted in CS? < 1451124625 35314 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the aforementioned Combinatory Logic Spoken Language < 1451124631 262631 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the conlang wiki is not intended for fun stuff? < 1451124767 669812 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1451124773 981265 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, it's called an "esolang", not an "esoproglang", so... < 1451124785 799369 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spots wikia and recoils < 1451124811 448055 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention that any spoken language can, in theory, be understood by a computer < 1451124821 658888 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some more easily than others < 1451124833 882902 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in theory" < 1451124837 82647 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See: English (on the wiki)) < 1451124864 437420 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: One could argue that that technically makes any language to which a meaning can be assigned a programming language < 1451124903 808220 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure if arguing is the best thing you can do here < 1451124917 408416 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: stop pouring oil on our slopes < 1451124924 14032 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, the only language to which meaning /can't/ be assigned is a single-string language < 1451124950 496865 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: xD < 1451126683 66184 :sat-buddhi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1451127339 570243 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451127472 41442 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what? you can use the 1/2 sign in perl6 to get a 0.5? < 1451128389 774633 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1451132685 585366 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Magicard!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45996&oldid=45664 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+24) 10 < 1451132995 950739 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-52-122-10.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451133834 224071 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1451134167 28067 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451136880 735745 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451136958 317620 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.176 QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1451137152 770398 :helyx!557ec73a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.126.199.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451137205 217995 :helyx!557ec73a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.126.199.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust helyx_FightAndFlight (>)*8+(<)*7 ((-)*13>(+)*13>)*4(([-{([+{[-]}])%8}])%4>)*21 < 1451137206 230154 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :helyx.helyx_FightAndFlight: points -14.14, score 11.08, rank 47/47 < 1451137261 589380 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451137262 337775 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test < < 1451137262 570194 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan.test: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47 < 1451137278 341537 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's not pessimal < 1451137281 291092 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust test . < 1451137281 838167 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan.test: points -33.14, score 3.04, rank 47/47 (--) < 1451137504 668082 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1451137823 669201 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1451137860 761302 :helyx!557ec73a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.126.199.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1451138226 74840 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ghuuuuuurgh. < 1451138226 321707 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: write is a function of 1 argument. what is tlo? or is that death? < 1451138260 280056 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: write is a function of one argument. what's a tlo? a Three Letter Optimisation? death is too much tourtière. < 1451138542 988000 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.176 QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1451139235 523580 :arararara!b2241709@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.36.23.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451139312 14289 :arararara!b2241709@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.36.23.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what language shall thou spell to bring freebsd to work? >inb4 enochian or brainfuck < 1451139327 769341 :arararara!b2241709@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.36.23.9 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1451139432 814451 :arararara!b2241709@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.36.23.9 QUIT :Client Quit < 1451139535 522345 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1451139718 731585 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1451139832 245373 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? program < 1451139844 342676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program is an image created by means of prography. < 1451141480 474032 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451141482 892233 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lie bracket/Politicians try to stay within the lie bracket: Not so many lies that voters cannot stand it, but not so few that they think you have nothing to give them. < 1451142886 907099 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451146550 911576 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: DOMINATING CHICKEN < 1451148135 608504 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451148239 15701 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451148670 631707 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1451148859 569802 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1451153622 729789 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1451154270 92559 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451155094 53061 :sat-buddhi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451156563 604906 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1451157152 751219 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451157157 454643 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1*1/1*1 is two. < 1451157172 874301 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom/1\*1 < 1451157176 466855 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman < 1451157186 82625 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman I mapole you. < 1451157186 288703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451157215 129748 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman (with great force and momentum, might I add.) < 1451157215 372076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451157221 448505 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman (tsé.) < 1451157221 758823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451157391 719140 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451157392 993370 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :page/The smallest floating-point number is known as pages. Fungot discovered it. < 1451157602 233133 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: WANDERING CHICKEN < 1451159594 943752 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451160254 650425 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451160812 757442 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451160949 796873 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had an amazing idea for an improved legal system < 1451161012 957050 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider the following: Formal logic is, largely, based on assumptions called "axioms" that are turned into "theorems" through "proofs"- you take the axioms and laws, put them together, and you get something that must be true < 1451161074 676762 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, if you have the axioms T->a, a->b and the law of syllogism, you can derive that T->b, and therefor b. < 1451161102 398592 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In law, we have "higher law" which is a base set of rules that it is against the rules to break. < 1451161131 8272 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We also have "[lower] laws", which are also rules that you can't break, but aren't assumed at the beginning necessarily < 1451161169 133371 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a way, axioms correspond to higher laws and theorems to lower laws < 1451161189 973130 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to call this the Jefferson-Howard Correspondence, just because it sounds funny < 1451161221 59866 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, one (though not the necessarily the only) major thing is different about the way logic and laws work is this: < 1451161291 468873 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In normal formal logic, theorems are derived from axioms. In "legal logic", which is what I'm calling the formalization of law, theorems come out of thin air and apply if and only if they do not contradict with the axioms < 1451161401 833470 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in Legal Logic (which might already be a thing, but I doubt it), from the axiom set `A={a}` one can derive the thorem `b` because `~b /<< A` (where ~ is logical NOT and /<< is IS NOT AN ITEM OF) < 1451161435 693911 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which leads to lots of issues, because you can pretty much derive anything < 1451161447 272600 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which leads to my idea for an improved legal system < 1451161491 959892 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if, instead of having higher law and lower law which higher law must not contradict, we had a (larger) set of higher law axioms, and any lower law established must be derived from these axioms < 1451161622 175352 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There would, of course, be a process to add higher law, but it would take much longer and be more difficult, and would include a 5-year period in which government-employed mathematicians must test it for consistency with the new axiom (not really sure how consistency works, but if it's possible to prove consistency, that would pretty much be the goal), and at the end of which it must be voted on by the population. < 1451161689 121198 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The constitution of this theoretical nation would, of course, include all axioms both in english (though this would have no real legal standing) and in a Formal Logic < 1451161850 600724 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1451161969 377659 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: see also my thesis "The propositional nomic" < 1451161981 33440 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the agora archives somewhere < 1451162004 978414 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's the first result when I google it < 1451162009 638105 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On pastebin < 1451162171 159521 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By syllogism, one can derive the Curry-Jefferson correspondence, and thus prove that all Computer Scientists are really just lawyers who type a random mix of symbols < 1451162428 391890 :sat-buddhi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1451162654 254242 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ⊼ is good for NAND hth, though I think that the just-now made up symbol !∧, ~∧, or ¬∧ is the best IMHO, because it expresses that it is "NOT AND" < 1451162718 68730 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one you use depends on which symbol you use for NOT, of course, though you could certainly use a different prefix to the operator for clarity (e.g. ¬ for NOT but ~∧ for AND, such as to more clearly distinguish them) < 1451162795 732676 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use of | for NAND is just confusing for computer scientists. My system only requires that you memorize the symbols for AND, OR, and the three possibilities for NOT < 1451162904 68097 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And XOR, I suppose. ⊻ works for XOR, but if it is the only modified AND or OR used in the expression, it gets confusing due to line location < 1451162994 983810 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, of course, ->, which the inverse for could probably be written as any of -/>, ~->, !->, ¬->, or even ~> < 1451163177 449760 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: In any good game of Nomic, `|{p|(p ∈ P) ∧ A(p)}| = i` hth < 1451163567 832660 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1451163759 769511 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451164055 26018 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RFOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45997&oldid=45994 5* 0378.52.138.216 5* (-3) 10/* Example Code */ < 1451164122 950325 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RFOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45998&oldid=45997 5* 0378.52.138.216 5* (-1) 10cleanup < 1451164616 707748 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Subskin14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45999&oldid=20080 5* 0378.52.138.216 5* (+8) 10/* Examples */ < 1451164907 596558 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451166281 76044 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1451168950 890502 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451171135 168458 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451171578 630864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consecrated Sphinx, Notion Thief, Donate on Notion Thief, Chromatic Sphere, Krosan Grip on Chromatic Sphere, and then activate Chromatic Sphere in response. It is now difficult for opponent to win at this game. < 1451172772 867978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a complex Bernstein polynomial f(z) and then you want to draw the curve bounded by: (f(z)+i|f'(z)|/f'(z)) and (f(z)-i|f'(z)|/f'(z)) then can it be optimized? < 1451173165 755525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ginostuscany.com/ < 1451173185 942597 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does this manage to be half decent (not fully decent though) when it's made by http://www.somelikeithotproductions.com/ < 1451173419 761915 :hppavilion[1]!48236c44@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.108.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451173571 621136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], did my floating point link help? < 1451173742 711078 :Vrittis!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451174183 63241 :hppavilion[1]!48236c44@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.108.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I believe so < 1451174191 963455 :hppavilion[1]!48236c44@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.108.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given two points represented as 2-tuples a and b, how can I calculate a direction r (in degrees) such that an entity centered at a facing in direction r is pointing towards point b? < 1451174274 290934 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atan2 < 1451174306 491893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atan2(b-a) < 1451174359 616915 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's traditionally radians, so * 180/PI < 1451175118 565870 :zgrep_!zgrep@zgrep.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1451175143 748300 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451175146 86938 :MoALTz_!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451175148 783352 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451175167 823321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the people who invented TECO Unitarian Universalist? < 1451175189 796080 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451175206 254093 :nisstyre_!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1451175336 991064 :yule!~canaima@186-88-127-42.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451175369 64128 :yule!~canaima@186-88-127-42.genericrev.cantv.net PART :#esoteric < 1451175538 276497 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451175538 276577 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451175538 276602 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451175538 435340 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451175538 594027 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451175538 594094 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451175538 594119 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451175577 691885 :zgrep_!zgrep@zgrep.org NICK :zgrep < 1451175825 985530 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451176734 764946 :hppavilion[1]!48236c44@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.35.108.68 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1451177098 739612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 73 < 1451177109 744335 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 73: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1451177213 68477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: Do you want to s/nooodl/mauris/ danddreclist? < 1451177241 14616 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can s/nooodl // it, hth < 1451177250 24833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it yourself hth < 1451177269 534890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :g/nooodl/d < 1451177416 995462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you could edit it by yourself instead according to how you would want your name in there or not, but the URL and filename should not be adjusted because the current one is correct. < 1451177668 284910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to know in case you would know even, or someone else, comparing character in the level20.tex (including the one with no character sheet given) with colors of mana of Magic: the Gathering cards. Do you know? < 1451177762 571409 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1451177800 661405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451178141 835895 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.joyent.com/ someone explain me why both bare metal and vm score 1/4 on networking but triton scores 1 < 1451178147 327178 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that make sense < 1451178267 63063 :Vrittis!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1451178598 352920 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're explaining it but that table is totally misleading <.< < 1451182155 180836 :Tat-Tvam-Asi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451182933 617581 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451183396 326569 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I try never to underestimate the pathological nature of C/C++. Then again, this particular case might be because I spent so long dealing with bools that were four bytes. Or two bytes and stored as 0 / !0 rather than 0 / 1." < 1451183805 584695 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru75.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451183852 643871 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1451184270 67898 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451184271 562972 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm/An ATM is when you're withdrawing money right now at a machine that will steal your relevant info. < 1451185248 250264 :jaboja64!~jaboja@erx124.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451185469 846699 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru75.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451186271 910420 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1451186506 576021 :Tat-Tvam-Asi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1451187038 758910 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451187044 975330 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think I'll implement an online semi-automated Nomic based on your "Propositional Nomic" < 1451187648 863264 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451187790 557158 :jaboja64!~jaboja@erx124.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451187962 249183 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451187963 885111 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocean/The Pacific Ocean is half the world and surrounded by fire. The Atlantic Ocean is less cool than its giant underwater mountain range. The Arctic Ocean is cold. The Indian Ocean is full of typhoons and non-Eurocentric shipping. < 1451187980 420359 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: TRANSMORPHIC CHICKEN < 1451188048 678154 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451189439 769590 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1451190220 589892 :nitrixmas!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix NICK :nitrix < 1451190485 598225 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:2d0b:65b9:18c4:f9bb QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451191165 615005 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:2d0b:65b9:18c4:f9bb JOIN :#esoteric < 1451196210 234801 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1451196909 95484 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451198535 822739 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451198620 670857 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1451198714 772594 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451198718 861388 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1451198724 276660 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get PLY to work with unicode < 1451199355 640731 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1451199369 834415 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1451200878 933652 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451200923 783396 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1451200928 722824 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1451204846 775220 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451207358 761220 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1451208115 581498 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451208980 152161 :MoALTz_!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl NICK :MoALTz < 1451210924 168238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1451211540 555785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1451212710 623863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451216772 573473 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451216796 669268 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1451219408 207233 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I mention Robozzle has a JS version now? < 1451219413 239599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's likely to become the main version? < 1451219419 483476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.robozzle.com/beta/ < 1451219795 784472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1451220089 987403 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh < 1451220265 298534 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it have a js version like years? < 1451220636 638019 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, a terrible one < 1451220653 484288 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doas work < 1451220670 496900 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imho, js implies terrible < 1451220731 653122 :sat-buddhi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451220988 691371 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Javagony14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46000 5* 03Flawr 5* (+656) 10Created page with "'''Javagony''' is an OOP programming language derived from Java. The only differences to Java are that following statements are ''not'' available in Javagony: for (){} if (..." < 1451221223 233504 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Javagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46001&oldid=46000 5* 03Flawr 5* (+364) 10 < 1451221341 63595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Javagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46002&oldid=46001 5* 03Flawr 5* (+1) 10 < 1451221354 569837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Javagony14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46003&oldid=46002 5* 03Flawr 5* (+3) 10 < 1451221495 573859 :zgrep!zgrep@zgrep.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451221543 22138 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451221559 745022 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1451221577 800357 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451221936 986695 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451222094 493489 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451223312 596902 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily fungot: write is a function of one argument. what's a tlo? a Three Letter Optimisation? death is too much tourtière. <-- actually death is having to fix wikipedia and wiktionary's inconsistent etymologies of tourtière hth < 1451223312 819289 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: where should i put there :) i want the standard i/ o < 1451223313 52088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451223384 523967 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is slightly disturbed that there are edits to his wiktionary account that he cannot understand how he has made < 1451223427 141910 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the merging of global accounts went slightly wrong, and _also_ something fishy happened back in 2007. < 1451223504 953322 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily also death is having to paste è because his keyboard refuses to recognize the obvious keypresses < 1451223505 525587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451223516 866961 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily *my < 1451223517 418660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451223535 953288 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451223597 506750 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the bright side, if there _was_ another wikt:user:oerjan back in 2007, he's not done anything since. < 1451223764 180512 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily oh wait, i was pressing the wrong key < 1451223764 668862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451223795 377016 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily still doesn't work in the browser, though. < 1451223795 866418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451223875 416887 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boily what does (tsé.) mean < 1451223875 972884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451224095 876966 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451224994 958443 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1451225037 681030 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1451225295 27818 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451225380 653692 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451225624 243275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451225836 774359 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451225946 380218 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451226013 945031 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i check if a function supports a flag that's only available in a few versions of linux? < 1451226794 316799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: is the function a system call? most will return EINVAL if they don't understand an argument < 1451226798 916129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could try it and see what happens < 1451226814 86798 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thanks! < 1451226840 164111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai < 1451226852 482092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's also ENOSYS, for when it's the function itself that isn't understood) < 1451226864 548696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this generally only happens if running very new syscalls) < 1451226866 172329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi b_jonas < 1451227093 619573 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1451227638 685698 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1451227926 691301 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1451228007 693434 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-194-175.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1451228341 798410 :sat-buddhi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1451228558 652635 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1451229560 330603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, Perl 6 has been released < 1451229582 201362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that NetHack 3.6.0 and Duke Nukem Forever were also released recentlyish < 1451229591 413960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means that we're going to need a new metaphor for vaporware < 1451229621 82674 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :B-) < 1451229623 143689 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1451229705 263685 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether GNU/Hurd will become stable soon too ;) < 1451229709 825167 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1451229739 756909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, though "vaporware" is still fine as a name. < 1451229762 706375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use "cbvapor" as the codename for my eventual rewrite of the cbstream bot. < 1451229769 617107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU/Hurd does actually work IIRC, if you have a sufficiently specific configuration < 1451229785 45207 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to know. < 1451229793 211741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and wait, gimp has a development release from the new branch, have you seen that? < 1451229802 548665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we're in the future or an alternate timeline or something < 1451229818 550177 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inkscape has released a stable release recently. < 1451229834 768534 :amca!~amca@CPE-110-147-166-198.nhl8.cht.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451229870 125091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use gimp or inkscape a whole lot, not because they're bad, just because I haven't needed to < 1451229872 571753 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and ImageMagick is seriously working on a new branch where they have impossible goals, even more impossible than gimp. < 1451229883 656115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use inkscape, but I do use gimp sometimes. < 1451229883 862166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what I mostly use gimp for is filling in PDFs by adding text to them < 1451229887 890328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its UI for that is terrible :-( < 1451229905 235407 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you tried upgrading to a newer version? the UI sometimes becomes better, and sometimes worse. < 1451229921 639971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't find the gimp ui terrible, only hard to learn, but I'm past the hard to learn part. < 1451229922 326413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm using the Ubuntu package manager's version < 1451229967 52330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to download an English manual for my washing machine from LG's homepage and failed. But I realized I have a printed English manual, I just didn't find it last time, which is why I read the Hungarian. < 1451229986 699668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: presumably the problem is that the Hungarian is badly translated? < 1451229994 31795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it still hurts how difficult it is sometimes to get manuals even for not too old household appliances. < 1451230010 684624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's my default assumption. this one isn't even _too_ bad, compared to some others. < 1451230021 172798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did have some mistakes, but was mostly readable. < 1451230043 945551 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1451230073 498498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it claimed that the floor should not be slanted to more than some impossibly small angle, but that was obviously a mistake, they wanted to say that you should adjust the adjustable feet so that the machine isn't slanted more than tha. < 1451230104 133341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at the English manual now to see what it says. < 1451230143 972962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, sometimes the English manual is badly translated too, written by Chinese people who don't speak enough English, < 1451230161 232086 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the English manuals or software UIs are never worse than the Hungarian ones as far as I've seen. < 1451230224 856157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. The English manual also says “Installation place requirement. Level floor : Allowable slope under entire washer is 1°” < 1451230242 539728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's obviously unsatisfiable in a bathroom. < 1451230253 349082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the manual does talk about the adjustable legs. < 1451230314 498013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, “adjustable feet” here < 1451230350 910895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is one of those statements they put in so that they can deny acting on the warranty if they feel like it. < 1451230488 830976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes bathrooms have level raised pedestal-type things for washers. < 1451230513 848255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, sometimes. That's necessary on some floors. < 1451230553 492024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I adjusted and re-adjusted and so on the legs for the washer we had in Finland, but it still kept moving around when doing the spin cycles. < 1451230556 643919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lg.com/hu/termektamogatas/lg-F12B8ND1 has a link to manuals, but they're broken. < 1451230601 492715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently no matter how level the machine itself was, having a slope + vibration + slippery tiles was enough to have it start moving. < 1451230626 352095 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, and a pedestal helps because you can fix the machine on it easier than on the floor itself. < 1451230637 152392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that depends on the machine and possibly other things. < 1451230648 351543 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some older washing machines shake a lot. < 1451230694 604562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, now I know which program I need for synthetic clothes, so I'm off getting the curtains down the rods and washing them. < 1451230697 750744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LG's washers have that fancy thing where you can call the support, hold the phone near the washer, press a button combination on it and have it whistle diagnostic information with modulated tunes over the phone. < 1451230759 685288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that reminds me of the GRUB2 option to output all text it prints through the PC speakers as morse code < 1451230779 469108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also an app that can listen to it and suggest simple solutions. < 1451230805 78907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if someone's reverse-engineered the protocol already. < 1451230939 750626 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, some of them < 1451230957 200403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one has that option too < 1451230972 218848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a one-way modem in it < 1451230997 716428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's just a modulator < 1451230998 631877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :using probably the same speaker it uses to beep when the washing is complete < 1451231005 670129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("modem" is short for "modulator-demodulator") < 1451231020 797686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a "mom"? < 1451231036 875531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably implemented mostly in software these days < 1451231041 277736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My washer has a mom in it" can lead to incorrect interpretations. < 1451231048 357524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1451231085 293605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just "mo" I guess, I think the final "m" of "modem" comes from the third letter of "demodulator" < 1451231092 764293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1451231115 487980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has a four digit display, but they don't trust me of being able to read and type a few dozen digits from the screen to the web probably. < 1451231127 178260 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really the target user for this type of washing machine. < 1451231149 387974 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least for some features of it. < 1451231156 243730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it has programs I'll probably never use. < 1451231213 167688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've got to have that product differentiation somehow, and it's easy to do with programs. < 1451231221 976024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, spin RPM numbers. < 1451231258 977699 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1451231286 473344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Washer A with 15 programs and 1500 RPM is objectively better than washer B with 12 programs and 1400 RPM by 3 programs and 100 RPMs. < 1451231307 135902 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1451231333 738051 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think it was the dishwasher for which I don't have an English manual. < 1451231355 899956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that one isn't too important. The dishwasher barely needs a manual, once it's set up for the water hardness. < 1451231400 614494 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ncxibbrwpolsucds QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451231445 226254 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had a dishwasher. I'm a dishwisher. < 1451231452 48576 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1451231452 575732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2h 15m 39s ago: fungot: write is a function of one argument. what's a tlo? a Three Letter Optimisation? death is too much tourtière. <-- actually death is having to fix wikipedia and wiktionary's inconsistent etymologies of tourtière hth < 1451231452 734614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2h 12m 27s ago: also death is having to paste è because his keyboard refuses to recognize the obvious keypresses < 1451231452 734691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2h 12m 15s ago: *my < 1451231452 734722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2h 8m 7s ago: oh wait, i was pressing the wrong key < 1451231452 734754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2h 7m 36s ago: still doesn't work in the browser, though. < 1451231454 638350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 2h 6m 16s ago: what does (tsé.) mean < 1451231516 550905 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan qc:tsé is about en:y'know. < 1451231517 60780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451231730 628358 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I started the confusingly named program. < 1451231872 446666 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jhellonas. still adapting the new house to your needs? < 1451231883 179598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't realise b_jonas had a new house < 1451232093 151931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an apartment, not a whole house. < 1451232095 809147 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, thank you < 1451232198 352107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to call two different servicemen tomorrow to schedule some minor repairs that weren't so urgent that I call them at Christmas or weekend, < 1451232231 311698 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus a third minor repair I'll be able to do myself but I have to buy some screw ring thingy for it. < 1451232285 966509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My general enjoying the house was paused for Christmas due to family programs. < 1451232291 125569 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm home now at least. < 1451232491 624512 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have family programs on your dishwasher? neat. < 1451232499 4071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not dishwasher. < 1451232537 471806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only travel was so easy. A family meeting involves airplane and car rides. < 1451232555 105131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :international or within the country? < 1451232560 587192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :International. < 1451232583 963911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's almost no airplane traffic within Hungary.) < 1451232590 831333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Car trips within the country. < 1451232637 365336 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother and her wife lives in Sweden on a permanent basis, but they visit often, and so far have visited on each Christmas. < 1451232662 81278 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still afraid to imagine what Christmas would be like when they are unable to visit. < 1451232676 303720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it will certainly happen eventually. < 1451232692 138282 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, that's similar for my dad's family, because for some reason he decided to move to England in the 90s < 1451232697 601046 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Australia < 1451232706 704289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's worse. < 1451232723 913339 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-uxudofztfoqpcujf JOIN :#esoteric < 1451232736 328078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can at least drive from Sweden, with two drivers alternating and one sleep in between. < 1451232784 392232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Airplane is cheaper and faster, but driving gets you to transfer a car and optionally a lots of luggage. < 1451232826 13931 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, one of my cousins is trying to move here as well < 1451232881 177542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear there are some other ways to transfer lots of personal belongings long distance, involving some sort of container or ship, but they're worth only if you move with a whole family to Israel or some such cases. < 1451232918 568049 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what we did when we lived in Australia for a year < 1451232924 647050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, there are also trains to Sweden, but they're horribly expensive for some reason. < 1451232949 994019 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they go through russia? < 1451232963 366642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, there's a bridge from Denmark now < 1451232968 952000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are there no trains there? < 1451232981 420154 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's a road bridge < 1451232987 265829 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, let me check < 1451232993 597195 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, yeah, it has railway as well < 1451232996 295473 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98resund_Bridge < 1451233004 943864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even without, you can switch from train to the ferry. < 1451233012 668063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to switch trains multiple times anyway. < 1451233094 106363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trains are ridiculously expensive even within England where there's no borders to worry about < 1451233108 833481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, trains are a comfortable way to travel to Italy, Slovenian, Macedonia, Bulgaria, though bus is also available and cheaper but much less comfy; and I hear trains are even a borderline viable option to Switzerland. < 1451233129 117176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one journey I've been thinking about that costs £90 by train but only about £10 by coach going in one direction (but £40 by coach going in the other direction) < 1451233143 714519 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, that's the other thing, for some reason international trains are much more expensive than trains within Hungary. < 1451233149 762390 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And trains within Hungary aren't cheap either. < 1451233170 105446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's partly to do with zone boundaries or something like that I think < 1451233181 727437 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of going interrailing next autumn < 1451233182 281494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can spend £6.40 to get a card that allows me to use any public transport in the West Midlands for one day < 1451233187 29608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kind-of puts a cap on the train prices < 1451233198 237783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go even slightly outside the West Midlands and the prices are a lot worse < 1451233204 616879 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trains here are so expensive that if you have more than one full price adult traveling, and it's not all within Budapest or agglomeration, then driving a car is always a much better option than trains or buses. < 1451233212 263525 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just horrible. < 1451233216 904044 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish trains and buses were cheaper. < 1451233259 223655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a bus to get into work today < 1451233262 904197 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-194-175.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451233273 631255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the way train and bus pricing works in the UK is weird < 1451233282 367097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the buses, a day ticket usually costs less than two singles < 1451233299 600736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that day tickets are purchased almost exclusively unless you're only going in one direction for some reason < 1451233308 921261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, on the trains, most discounts only apply to return tickets < 1451233338 325940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that if you're doing a journey for which discounts apply, which is most of them, returns are /much/ better value than singles, and sometimes actually cheaper (i.e. to do a single journey you buy a return ticket and then don't use one half) < 1451233349 784734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it's so expensive that some physically handicapped people earn some money from having people hire them to travel with them, who then illegally buy reduced fare tickets for serving as a person accompanying the disabled person (who doesn't actually need this). < 1451233379 478356 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I just generally book in advance and hope < 1451233401 933218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :day tickets on the bus in the West Midlands are currently £4 per day if you buy them in bulk (i.e. you have to buy them in advance but they aren't marked against any particular day) < 1451233425 327866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc a bus pass is cheaper if you travel most days of the year, but not if you're an occasional traveller (like me), because you have to pay even for the days you aren't travelling < 1451233430 320329 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you travel on the same train or bus line regularly, then buying a pass is cheaper than driving a car, but you have to live in the right place where going to work with a train everyday is a good option. < 1451233431 321366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: right, advance tickets are weird < 1451233437 91811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes they're much cheaper and sometimes they aren't any cheaper < 1451233468 992579 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people outside big cities simply don't live in the right place, which results in masses of unemployed people who can't work because they don't have they money to commute to the nearest city to get work. < 1451233502 980496 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right < 1451233566 990655 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one case where occasonaly travel on train is actually well worth: it's when you live in Budapest and have a local bus pass (transport pass valid for metro, trams, etc), < 1451233603 84586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then you can also use trains within the borders of Budapest for free with the pass, and for some locations they're actually better than taking the bus if you time your travel for the train timetable. < 1451233626 227518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right, I've never had one of those passes for any "long" time period – not cost effective – but I've bought them for single days on occasion < 1451233657 896365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this rarely comes up because it works out only if you travel _between_ two suitable locations. There's basically no one location within the borders of Budapest from which going into the city is generally the best by train. < 1451233670 39838 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric : Technically, there are also trains to Sweden, but they're horribly expensive for some reason. ← yeah, the train situation in Sweden is pretty messed up, even within the country < 1451233701 778144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to want to trabel between two outskirt lobes of Budapest, so that you skip going into the centre by the train.. < 1451233702 383394 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think sometimes it's cheaper or about on par cost-wise to fly instead < 1451233751 796033 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I hear trains in Sweden is complicated because there's multiple different types of trains and buses, differing on whether they're fixed price or cheaper to book earlier, and other factors. < 1451233795 438515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: huh, in Birmingham, the vast majority of the train lines go through the centre, if you want to go somewhere by train that isn't at approximately the same angle from the centre you'll probably have to change trains /in/ the centre < 1451233807 859481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are trains or buses here that you want to book in advance or they get filled and you can't get a ticket, but I can't think of any where the price is actually cheaper if you buy much in advance. < 1451233833 95086 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that's sort of why it comes up often. < 1451233840 603789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we have a distinction between buses which are typically local and can't be booked in advance, and coaches which are longer-distance and you have to book in advance < 1451233893 744546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But basically, the outskirts of Pest is split to like four lobes, such that each is served by buses from a different big station or two, < 1451233899 314653 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in general it's cheaper to buy train tickets early, but I'm not really sure what decides the price < 1451233946 324335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely the northernmost part is served from the north part of the metro 3, this is separated by train lines blocking much of car and bus traffic from the north middle lobe, < 1451233965 941840 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1451233973 558360 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew someone who ordered tickets from Göteborg to Uppsala but only travelled to Stockholm (which the train goes through) because it was cheaper that way, though, which is a bit curious < 1451233980 107565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is served by buses and these days partially by metro 4, which is blocked from the middle lobe by another set of train lines unpassable by car, < 1451234011 640248 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the big south lobe is served by buses from Örs Vezér tér (the terminus of metro 2) and by the south end of metro 3 (Határ út and Kőbánya Kispest). < 1451234026 385812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the rules about which tickets let you make which journies on UK trains are definitely ontopic for #esoteric :-) < 1451234032 466706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not /actually/ Turing-complete < 1451234035 960096 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1451234059 83857 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the trick is that if you want to go from the north middle lobe to the south lobe, then it _can_ be worth to take trains that pass through from north to south, < 1451234067 229758 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could they ever deny you to leave at an earlier stop than your destination? < 1451234084 323313 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it seems like the kind of thing that would be hard to disallow < 1451234114 784330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whose goal is actually to go from the city centre at Nyugati pályaudvar to various parts outside Budapest through multiple rail lines going out of the cith on the southern lobe. < 1451234176 610073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's possible that there are actually six lobes, the southern ones being served by Ráckevei HÉV and Csepeli HÉV, but luckily I'm not familiar enough with that.) < 1451234257 392210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also two tangential tram lines (tram 1 and tram 3) that somewhat connect the three lobes, and sometimes they're worth to take, but rarely, < 1451234290 681950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because unless the start or destination location is close to them, it's just faster to go through the center most of the times. < 1451234293 967086 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, we barely have any trams at all < 1451234338 300394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the special case when you want to go on a route where you don't have to go up stairs at all, such as when I took luggage in a huge bag so heavy from the old home to the new home that I literally couldn't take it up the stairs: < 1451234360 745077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I took tram 3, which is slower, but has a low floor, and gives a route with no underpasses. < 1451234363 518010 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1451234391 100809 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't really required, we could just have took the stuff by car, but I liked the challenge and wanted to try how viable this route was. < 1451234409 405103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tram is only like 10 or 20 minutes slower than going through the center with the metro. < 1451234444 616346 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because I have to walk the last one station instead of taking the metro. < 1451234485 862078 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Apparently the official numbers for the tram lines here are 7, 7N, 12, 21, 22 (though they're all referred to by other names in practice) < 1451234505 556199 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, in the one rare case where I must carry lots of luggage, namely going to where the bus starts for a ski trip, if a car isn't available, I can pay for a taxi. < 1451234510 247290 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit! < 1451234533 751617 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451234665 905393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yeah, the HÉV has numeric identifiers these days, namely H5, H6, H7, H8, H9, but these numbers are new so people haven't learnt them yet, and just use the destinations as a name like we used to. < 1451234680 101362 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense < 1451234743 336572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :These names were assigned when BKV decided to reassign numbers to lots of lines at the same time in such a way that there are only two namespaces, one for (bus, tram, streetcar) and one for (metro, HÉV, ship) rather than four like there used to be. < 1451234751 636955 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :We use colours for the subway, the destination for local rail, and then a bunch of lines that have their own names for historical reason < 1451234752 710048 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasons* < 1451234763 780275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh sure, there's still a few exceptions. < 1451234798 495925 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they all have internal numbers that nobody knows < 1451234835 694040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The metros have always had numbers, but also colors at the same time. The Libegő and the Budavári Sikló still don't have names, because they're so unique. The fogaskerekű (cogway railway) does have a number now, but I'm not sure if people use it, because it's also a unique and recognizable type of vehicle. < 1451234857 925859 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, cogway railway < 1451234859 321595 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1451234889 252505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and at the renamespacing, they also made another change which is _much_ more significant than eliminating the clashing numbers (bus 3 and tram 3; bus 73 and streetcar 73). < 1451234890 563533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could they ever deny you to leave at an earlier stop than your destination? ← in most cases in the UK you're actually allowed to leave at an earlier stop than your destination, then get back on a later train and continue to your destination; this makes optimal train ticket planning very complex < 1451234967 168462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old numbering used to have variant bus numbers for "express" buses that are red numbers in a rectangular frame; or, when that can't be presented on the media, a number in rectangular frame in the normal foreground color; or, when that can't be presented either, the number followed by "GY" (standing for "gyors"); < 1451234995 343671 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this system is easy for locals who are used to it, but cryptic to tourists passing by, so now we don't have it. < 1451235017 461163 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1451235071 831199 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our busses are red or blue, with the blue ones being "express" busses of sorts with fewer stops and usually connecting several key locations when the metro doesn't cut it < 1451235084 921781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those buses now have a number followed by the letter "E". So now almost all lines are identified by a number of at least three digits, followed by one of the suffixes "E" or sometimes "A" or rarely "B" or "C" (I'm not sure if those are in use still), or prefix "M" (for metro, or metro replacement bus line), or "V" (for tram replacement bus line), < 1451235099 662936 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a system to which numbers correspond to blue busses, but it's rather cryptic and I don't think most people know about it < 1451235103 517453 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "H" (for HÉV or HÉV replacement bus line), or "D" (for ship). < 1451235114 233504 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are three-digit numbers where the center digit is a 7 < 1451235196 646433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and only the numbers 1 to 299 are in use, plus the numbers 900 to 999 for nightly buses, because 300 to 899 are reserved for bus interurban bus lines outside Budapest, not ran by BKK. < 1451235232 312259 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a nice well designed system, though there's still some occasional exceptions where they manage to break it. < 1451235247 896383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly temporary ones, but still. < 1451235260 474677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, "temporary" can mean it's only for three years here. < 1451235360 214838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently "B" still exists as a suffix in at least one case. < 1451235414 304632 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C" always used to exist for temporary bus lines going to cementaries on --11-01 (when many people visit cementaries), and only if "A" and "B" was already used for that number. < 1451235461 152795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and before the namespacing put night buses to 900..999, they used to have the suffix "É", at the same time when a few express buses had the suffix "E" instead or a red number with frame. < 1451235522 109681 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the namespacing is well worth, even though I have a little grief that bus line 3 is no longer called that, it's been renamed to line 33, when IMO it would have deserved "3" much more than the tram line. < 1451235584 381187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does actually make sense rationally, for despite tram line 3 being new, it is a very important tram line, whereas bus line 3 is only important for having had that number for a long time. < 1451235710 119742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how easy is it to distinguish an E from an É? < 1451235712 928977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The namespacing didn't completely renumber everything from the star, so there's still lots of historical reasons for why certain lines have certain numbers. < 1451235760 140426 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: depends on the design of the sign. The night bus signs in bus stops are easy to recognize, for they have the number on inverted background, and an owl icon. < 1451235845 609210 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:2d0b:65b9:18c4:f9bb QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451236296 980903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the bus lines are many and change more often than the lines of other vehicles. < 1451236343 420512 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although we are living in interesting times where the govt is actually building tram linse in Buda to fix its traffic. < 1451236410 699309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might even be ready in a year or two. < 1451236519 851432 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:6c4d:bd06:3694:2599 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451236752 494181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's not unheard of to have train tickets where you can't get off at an intermediate stop. I know VR (the Finnish train operator) website at least earlier let you buy a ticket for a decidedly non-optimal "go from A to B via C" (where A and B are relatively near, but C is far away) connection that was significantly cheaper than tickets from A to C (because the price was derived from the ... < 1451236758 508676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... from/to distance, not the total route) and I believe you couldn't legally use that ticket to go from A to C only. < 1451236773 276402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still did that, since it's hard to enforce. < 1451236814 133480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland doesn't generally do gates at stations, the tickets are only checked on the train. < 1451236823 187699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, it's kind-of random where tickets will be checked < 1451236824 642228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If at all.) < 1451236830 859190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :station gates and on-train both happen sporadically and randomly < 1451236840 158316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(very large stations are the most likely to enforce a check at the gates) < 1451236851 225450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite sure we don't have that here. As long as the train has a normal stop somewhere where you could get off with _some_ ticket, you're allowed to get off with any ticket. < 1451236879 850436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think every time we've departed from London Euston there's been a ticket check at the station. < 1451236905 870691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The train tickets are sold for a route and priced on route distance (or at least the official measurement of route distances in the book), and unlike tickets for any other vehicle, you can even get off trains and get on another train continuing the same route with a train ticket. < 1451236979 845222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas tickets inside Budapest are mostly unit tickets for getting on once and getting off once, regardless distance, except that you're allowed to change from a line to or from a bus replacing it, or change between two metros free. < 1451236983 608855 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese trains are pretty consistently station-gated < 1451236997 134917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the fact about London buses that you can use a travel card of any zone for any bus line, no matter where it goes. I've got a zone 1/2 travelcard for my commute, so bus travel is essentially free. < 1451237001 308068 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most travel is done using a preloaded card, which is charged based on where you enter and exit < 1451237017 260322 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So with a local ticket inside Budapest, you definitely aren't allowed to get off and get on another vehicle. < 1451237027 511276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't like the fact that there's no validity time for a bus ticket; if you have to change buses, it costs exactly twice as much as taking one bus.) < 1451237037 15251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and long-distance trains are the most likely to check on the train < 1451237048 629829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the normal technique here is to buy a day ticket rather than a single < 1451237067 633326 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :long-distance trains will only come round and check if they are an express, which carries an additional charge. < 1451237069 108495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's time limits on the tickets, but they're for catching cheaters who try to reuse the ticket. If you use the ticket in the permitted way, then you can't run out of the time limit. < 1451237086 933156 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pay on the train though < 1451237089 151079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the London Underground uses station gate checks consistently < 1451237095 898649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, London's Oyster has a "daily cap" thing, and there's a special bus-only cap that's lower than the normal daily cap. < 1451237122 975851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's £4.40, and a single bus trip is £1.50. < 1451237151 341696 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only time I didn't see an operating gate in Japan was when it was late at night in a small station, so they didn't have a staff member on hand so they just left the gate open. But in Japan, the amount of abuse that would see is pretty low < 1451237160 484071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's fixed £4.40 if you do anything involving at least 3 buses within a day; but a round-trip somewhere is still £3.00 if you can manage to pick a route that doesn't involve changing buses. < 1451237162 934619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are monthly passes, very popular, plus daily tickets and a few other options used mostly by visitors who travel a lot in a short span. < 1451237223 13304 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so it's like a daily ticket chosen automatically after the fact? that's nice, but it works only for an electronic system, not for the paper-based tickets here. < 1451237249 724372 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451237347 108157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes. With the extra twist that there are different caps for different combinations of zones, and it automatically computes for you the lowest amount of money you could be paying. (As in, "use the cap for zones 1-3 and exclude your one zone 1-6 trip, because it's cheaper than the zone 1-6 cap even though that would include the one trip".) < 1451237372 757833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice. < 1451237393 160268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and also off-peak/on-peak caps. < 1451237394 500482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are always rumours about plans to get a partly electronic system here, but it's not quite clear to me how such a thing could work. < 1451237442 779217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: we have a partly electronic system in Birmingham at the moment < 1451237451 149061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The supposedly machine-readable barcodes that have been printed on every ticket and pass for a while probably have the goal of easing compatibility with an eventual electronic system. < 1451237458 35719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works like this: you can buy tickets on the bus by paying cash; or you can use one of three types of electronic card < 1451237467 285543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them substitutes for cash, you pre-load it with money and use it to pay for the tickets < 1451237484 948252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is loaded with day tickets in advance, and automatically uses one if you haven't used it yet that day < 1451237501 126966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, in worst case, you could have machines that automatically replace paper tickets and passes with whatever comes after, by reading the barcodes. Pity they're printed unreadable on a few passes, but they fixed that quickly. < 1451237507 102078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one of them is a season ticket that lets you travel on all forms of public transport for free for a year (and accordingly is very expensive) < 1451237514 862539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, might just be all buses for a year < 1451237515 21684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've also got a weekly cap if you're paying with a contactless credit/debit card, which for some reason doesn't apply to the regular Oyster card. Possibly they're trying to promote the use of contactless -- at least they keep having ads about it everywhere. < 1451237516 944201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, I don't have one < 1451237546 89695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aoOh, I think I've seen such a thing in Sweden, where there are both pre-paid electronic cards and buying tickets in place on buses. < 1451237554 429131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Any contactless credit/debit card works "automatically" as a travel card, you can even register it on the website and all.) < 1451237619 540742 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :On certain bus and trolley lines, you can buy tickets at the driver or controller here too, but that only works on low traffic lines. It checks out, since the high traffic lines are mostly hub lines that stop at locations where you can buy a ticket outside the bus anyway. < 1451237705 113081 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real problem is high traffic bus or tram lines. It seems hard to imagine a full automatic system there, although you could still have an electronic system with the controllers carrying electronic gadgets. For metros, it _might_ be just about possible to install automatic gates, although there'll be some throughput problems. < 1451237758 666386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :London's pretty busy, and they manage to do that. < 1451237774 49085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't pay bus fares with anything else than the card. < 1451237797 425244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The busy routes have card readers also on the middle doors, so that not everyone has to get in through the front door. < 1451237837 371895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course the single-fare-no-options thing makes it easier, you just shove your card towards the machine and wait until it goes beep. < 1451237857 904853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be worth to do this even for the metros, because they have lots of traffic. < 1451237888 260716 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So even if everywhere else the tickets just work the same as now, with controllers checking it, only using a mobile phone instead of manual inspection, it could be an improvement. < 1451237888 683096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the one in Helsinki, you have to select the kind of ticket you want, which makes it a lot slower. (Plus the devices themselves are pretty bad -- especially older people can't actually press the buttons with sufficient strenght for it to register.) < 1451237903 366617 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ouch < 1451237928 18483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll be replacing the whole system next year, hopefully the new ones will be better. < 1451237934 577535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, 2017. < 1451237952 174471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've been postponing it. Any sort of public project that involves computers is always behind schedule and over budget. < 1451237979 412613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the one in Birmingham, you tell the bus driver what you want, who presses the buttons < 1451237983 291633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then place the card on the card reader < 1451237989 882447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably this is to work around people who are bad at pressing buttons < 1451237999 701859 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The vending machines here aren't ideal too. Some people have trouble using the interface, but there's usually people around who can help. Any smartphone user youth can use it, as much as it works at least. There's still places where humans are selling tickets, but in fewer locations with shorter opening times. < 1451238020 561802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I had huge problems buying a train ticket in London < 1451238022 794413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://papunet.net/sites/papunet.net/files/kuvapankki/matkakortin_lukija.jpg <-- the card interfaces in Helsinki. < 1451238031 226950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real problem with the current system the passes printed by this machine. < 1451238043 444375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're supposed to hold the card near the middle of the green cross-shaped thing, and press the button while still keeping the card sufficiently near. < 1451238049 523734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had more than one sort of machine, the sort that worked out what sort of ticket you needed for you wouldn't let me type my destination station because one of the letter keys was broken < 1451238051 626720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all practical purposes, the bottom slot is not used for anything. < 1451238055 610846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly intuitive. < 1451238058 387078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had to use a machine where you had to know the ticket you needed in advance < 1451238086 414421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some very special groups like HSL employees have chip cards that can go to the lower slot, I believe, but that's a negligible fraction.) < 1451238105 311869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike the previous tickets and passes of various colors and pre-printed templates, all currently sold tickets are printed by a printer to a single type of roll of paper, just like how the train tickets work these days, only this paper roll has fancy holographic strip and other supposedly hard to counterfeit features: < 1451238133 446552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, and the buttons have no "travel" at all.) < 1451238143 524462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that there's no point counterfeiting the paper itself, because you can just erase the printed text and print new tickets on the paper. < 1451238248 709927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now the passes are easier to counterfeit, and the controllers have a harder time recognizing it because it's all just black icons and text printed on the same kind of paper. < 1451238274 20021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I have to trim a few millimiters of the pass so it fits in a card sized holder. < 1451238315 912876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The printing is some sort of laser, not heat printer, because some passes must be legible for slightly over a year. < 1451238318 973301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK train tickets are on a weird sort of cardboard, and also have a magnetic stripe < 1451238333 407742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and seem to be printed by a wide number of different printers < 1451238342 997403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compare two tickets bought from different ticket machines and the ink looks noticeably different < 1451238349 749778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but the magnetic stripe is used for all machine-reading of them) < 1451238405 329926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have various different formats of train tickets, until they brought in this new system some years ago. Now we only have two format: normal, and printed by the controller on the train (which differs so they can carry a lighter machine and lighter paper). < 1451238449 51920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and also the Budapest bus passes can be bought from either the BKK (local transport company) and the MÁV (train company) functionally identical but with different formats. < 1451238482 396951 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and there's yet another format I forgot: < 1451238490 704489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can buy train tickets you can print at home. < 1451238582 813003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that here for many train companies (at least long-distance trains), but not all of them. < 1451238596 883899 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-yvowxjlyerjdvoao QUIT :Excess Flood < 1451238606 403081 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tuahbizpjutoieph JOIN :#esoteric < 1451238633 975479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've done print-at-home tickets for Virgin, but I think ScotRail tickets we needed to collect at our local train station. < 1451238648 298687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Collect" == print out from the normal ticket machines with the reservation code. < 1451238658 691024 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can print tickets for home only for certain types of tickets. I'm not familiar with the details. < 1451238669 958989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least you could do that at any National Rail station machine, and not only at stations where ScotRail operates.) < 1451238696 510817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other formats of the tickets were used in small stations and on the train back when computers were expensive so some stations sold tickets completely manually without a printer. < 1451238737 369128 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are pre-paid tickets you collect at the station for big stations, but then the ticket is of just the ordinary format, the same you buy from operators or machines. < 1451238762 336736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some tickets you can buy locally from vending machines on the big stations, paying with card or cash. < 1451238790 317614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can buy those only for certain destinations, so you still have to buy most tickets from operators. < 1451238822 670699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing with different train companies here still feels a bit weird, because in Finland VR has a monopoly. (They're planning to open that up for competition, at least for some routes.) < 1451238871 327867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK has too many train companies < 1451238901 231165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :different companies own the trains, to the companies that own the track (although only one company owns any significant amount of track), to the companies that actually run the trains < 1451238930 450907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are a huge range of organizations you can buy train tickets from (including all the train running operators, and a few independent ones), and these train tickets will work on all the appropriate trains < 1451238945 982087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is apparently a very complex formula used to compensate the various companies accordingly from the train ticket revenue < 1451238975 315175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got some sort of administrative split between the thing that owns and maintains the tracks vs. the thing that owns the trains, but since VR Group (the train operator) is still fully owned by the state, it doesn't really matter that much. < 1451239039 11362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the track maintenance is currently not run as a company but as a government agency. But it used to be part of a company that owned the train operator company. Or something like that. < 1451239040 732219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have like two or three extra train companies, but it's not a competition anywhere, the extra companies are just serving a particular area of the country. < 1451239058 734816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a passenger, it all works basically as if there was just one company. < 1451239069 676957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only a few routes in the UK that have company competition < 1451239092 521235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually I think there are /three/ companies who offer Birmingham to London routes; two of them use basically the same route but stop at different sets of intermediate stations, the third uses a totally different route) < 1451239101 719236 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx124.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451239154 188622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also multiple bus companies, all regional, and the biggest one probably serves less than half of the country. < 1451239156 594969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we've mostly been buying tickets from the "correct" companies, though I think we went Blackpool-London with a ticket bought from Virgin that combined a Northern and a Virgin segment. < 1451239185 945909 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What You say for the UK is pretty much true for my Part of Europe (Germany) as well. < 1451239198 494728 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least i guess so. < 1451239207 354819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few of the bigger towns have local buses, and Miskolc and Szeged even has local tram lines. < 1451239209 400841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgin's just started a handy thing where they'll auto-compensate your credit card if the train is late enough (30 minutes for 50% off, 60 minutes for 100% off, 120 minutes for 100% off for the whole ticket of a return). < 1451239220 783887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally you'd need to fill forms and such. < 1451239238 901643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if you buy a ticket from the company who operates the train, you often get bonuses like a guaranteed seat or choice of seat < 1451239245 646287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in terms of pricing, though, normally just better service < 1451239259 654217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some lines between towns, there's actually a competition between bus and train, mind you. < 1451239266 58463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's one form of competition. < 1451239277 401074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The seat selection thing is strange too, I don't think we've ever gotten a proper "here's a map of the train, pick your seats" seat selection for a train trip here. < 1451239285 819159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's been the norm in Finland for quite a few years by now. < 1451239326 257909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virgin's "seat selection" seems to mean giving it some attributes about what sort of seats you want, and then getting some sort of a seat assignment back. < 1451239394 872340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for Budapest city to the airport, there's a three-wise competition between public transport (bus plus metro, or bus only at night; the least convenient and slowest, but cheapest), taxi (the fastest and most convenient), and bus that takes multiple people directly from or to their destination (cheaper than taxi only if you're travelling alone, but slower). < 1451239408 777595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ taxi (the fastest and most convenient), and bus that takes multiple people directly from or to their destination (cheaper than taxi only if you're travelling alone, but slower). < 1451239454 404363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ScotRail's website was very indecipherable when it came to reserved seatings ("sometimes we have them, sometimes we don't, you can't reserve seats online ever, good luck") -- turns out the Oban-to-Glasgow train was (a) very full, and (b) reserved seats only, and we hadn't gone to do seat reservations at the train station. Had some trouble getting a seat at all. < 1451239476 241722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: isn't that done deliberately? there's no seat selection for trains even with reserved seats here, and I don't think there could be, because if there was, everyone travelling alone (the majority of people) would hog one of a double seat first, and then people travelling in pairs or larger groups couldn't book seats close to each other. < 1451239497 722270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be. I don't know how the Finnish system accounts for that. < 1451239515 351445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it doesn't show (all) empty double seats as available if you're buying a single ticket. < 1451239535 658908 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That certainly happens all the time on trams and buses everywhere when there are no reserved seats, unless there's so few people that less than one third of the seats are occupied. < 1451239546 547169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'm assuming too much of it, and they just live with that. < 1451239556 78248 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't happen in cinemas because much fewer people go to a cinema alone than on a bus. < 1451239589 970532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cinema seats are also generally in long rows, and it doesn't matter so much if you pick a single seat at the edge of the currently reserved central block. < 1451239595 460408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't get fragmented that way so badly. < 1451239645 523542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you get on a train with two small children, and enough single seats, then people will generally happily move to give you a triple place. But that can't work with reserved tickets. < 1451239721 630411 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, and on certain trains that go _towards_ Budapest or towards a big city, people don't get on all at the same time, but gradually fill the train. < 1451239910 737627 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451239999 487251 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once i drank too much before the Cinema because i decided to watch a Movie in a small amount of Time, and it was good that i had a Seat near the Edge. B-) < 1451240056 53437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: are you writing with German capitals? < 1451240069 83397 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes. < 1451240090 272003 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably „before“ has the wrong Meaning, too. < 1451240092 223343 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or could have. < 1451240097 439209 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant before in Time. < 1451240099 291524 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in Space. < 1451240316 164599 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see that used often in English with otherwise standard orthography. < 1451240343 178885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you can often figure out who's written a sentence from their writing quirks < 1451240350 957967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic capitalizes nouns, you sometimes get gendered pronouns confused < 1451240355 998189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure. or their programming quirks. < 1451240359 317545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably have something that identifies me too < 1451240364 6806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming quirks is easier < 1451240365 685123 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1451240375 724134 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes !Anonymous on IRCnet ;) < 1451240393 609324 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C++ programs, I put tons of asserts, and if(false) or if(true) blocks. < 1451240420 107289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also use arrays and explicit array indexes a lot. < 1451240457 879213 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm adamant in the int *foo; spacing < 1451240477 754995 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451240512 321576 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :I glue * to the Variable-Name instead of the Type too. < 1451240609 343927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I use int *const foo; spacing too < 1451240618 451595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw an autoindentor use it and decided that I liked it < 1451240627 707449 :zadock!~outsider@109.166.130.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451240633 905652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it shows quite clearly that the const is attached to the * (i.e. the pointer is const) < 1451240743 805856 :zadock!~outsider@109.166.130.146 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451240801 541738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes sense for an old C programmer. Less so for a C++ programmer who writes stuff like array, unique_ptr, observer_ptr. < 1451241204 82560 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ puts way more Load on the Lexer and/or Parser. < 1451241220 229042 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Than C. < 1451241245 216647 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly < 1451241341 133216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Does that extend to `int *const *foo`? Hmm. I've never known where to put the mid-'const', but that doesn't look half bad. < 1451241357 981656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, "int *const *foo" < 1451241407 466468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes. and even to int * < 1451241410 216563 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo() < 1451241410 740773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1451241429 441325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a newline between the * and the foo so the defined name gets in the first column < 1451241431 679812 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :„cdecl“ and „cundecl“ are good Friends. B-) < 1451241441 443762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do the first-column names, so that's not an issue for me. < 1451241461 648297 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Somehow looks more like K&R-Style instead of like modern ANSI. < 1451241462 307447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I've started to use ` to quote things when talking about C, because it doesn't have a meaning there. It's not even in the basic character set. < 1451241482 917817 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The ANSI-Stuff i can remember at the Moment) < 1451241512 964236 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like `„` and `“`. Unicode rocks. B) < 1451241516 422475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, `foo()` is pretty non-modern; no prototype. < 1451241524 787521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well; non-modern, or C++. < 1451241554 890461 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Lack of the Prototype yes, but the Newline looked old to me. < 1451241566 457691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: I often use « » for quoting code because anything in ASCII can be confused for part of what's being quoted < 1451241572 220390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Perl 6 uses «» as quote marks < 1451241580 319007 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :B-) < 1451241910 513421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: the problem with „”»« quotation marks is that all of »«“ are used as both opening quotation marks in some language and closing quotation marks in some other language. < 1451241938 756280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So while they clearly delimit a quotation, in some contexts it could be confusing whether they're starting or ending marks. < 1451242086 519105 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you're quoting in technical contexts where the quoted text may start or end with whitespace. < 1451242126 529220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnily, I think „” is unambiguous, and so are Japanese quotation marks. < 1451242136 836148 :sat-buddhi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451242262 714675 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure about the former. < 1451242271 511913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese quotation marks would look ridiculous if backwards < 1451242295 88002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and single quotation marks can be ambiguous with apostrophes. < 1451242322 997036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that's when printed. In handwriting, there's much more ambiguities of course.) < 1451242459 991842 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Are not `„“` like `»«`? < 1451242479 97315 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: in what sense? < 1451242491 842372 :sat-buddhi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi NICK :turiya < 1451242492 207665 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good Question. < 1451242610 408383 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused. < 1451242616 490000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC the quotation mark pairs used in European languages are “” „” „“ »« «» and some variants with single instead of double, but with various whitespace conventions, but I have the feeling there's some combination I'm missing < 1451242629 508808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check en.wikipedia. < 1451242678 431597 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, there's also straight quotation marks "" and the singles of that. < 1451242766 723798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently ”” and »» also exists. < 1451242924 994105 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451243053 629163 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me count how many combinations that gives. “” „” „“ ”” »« «» »» ‘’ ‚’ ’’ ›‹ ‹› ›› except that the last one might not actually exist, and that about three of those exist with whitespace on both sides in French. < 1451243069 123039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and "" '' too. < 1451243094 821612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about 17 combinations. < 1451243124 941661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this means there's no European quotation mark that's unambiguously closing a quote, never opening it. < 1451243365 112588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since these competing standards are so confusing, let's invent a new kind of quotation mark that's better than all of them! < 1451243426 20225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about () < 1451243428 35872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in Underload < 1451243688 759101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, if you go to programming languages, then there are more < 1451243759 326536 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ ]] [=[ ]=] etc in Lua, """ """ or ''' ''' in Python, R"( )" R"*( )*" etc in modern C++, () and two other pairs I don't remember in postscript < 1451244236 711737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ATZ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46004&oldid=42095 5* 0392.225.12.43 5* (+10) 10stub < 1451244298 987008 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ATZ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46005&oldid=46004 5* 0392.225.12.43 5* (-12) 10 < 1451244417 94043 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Church-Turing thesis14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46006&oldid=23582 5* 0392.225.12.43 5* (+9) 10 < 1451244831 653100 :turiya!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1451246198 651949 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451246249 146212 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451246253 550870 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1451246730 759359 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451246783 350453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i entered a 3SP program in a PPCG challenge < 1451246794 768309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: neat; link? < 1451246806 304917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I didn't realise that other people were programming 3SP nowadays < 1451246816 701269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got as far as sketch-proving it was TC and then I stopped < 1451246834 224126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, TC and output-only BFC < 1451246929 801615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGDC starts in a week, that's great < 1451247065 737395 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451247128 5759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Japanese quotations mark format is easily enough though < 1451247160 599362 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? < 1451247173 296310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:  < 1451247180 986103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but Japanese quotation marks are for Kanji style grid cells, they don't mesh well with Latin letter text < 1451247181 977668 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/67795/47050 < 1451247193 562582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1451247214 737489 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451247290 180621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you are correct < 1451247377 888058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: also how much effort did it take to get the program to halt? < 1451247412 390550 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Three Star Programmer program? wow! < 1451247419 856327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's actual programs in that language now? < 1451247432 184992 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is crazy < 1451247475 212927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I have a sketch of an algo for compiling cyclic tag to 3SP < 1451247481 14815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't handle I/O so I have no way to test it < 1451247497 556559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was working on a way to do I/O too but got distracted and ended up inventing Last ReSort instead < 1451247534 514993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see < 1451247552 116927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is the translation polynomial time? < 1451247589 528301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each cyclic tag cycle takes one 3SP cycle < 1451247605 627747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the length of that cycle might not be linear in the size of the original cyclic tag program < 1451247612 527343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember whether it is or not < 1451247623 883445 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm implementing Propositional Nomic :) < 1451247660 624147 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but is the runtime still polynomial in the original rumtime? and do you need only polynomial time to generate the 3sp source code from the cyclic tag source code? < 1451247667 243297 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: two commands i think. it turned out to be enough to just point reg0 somewhere else < 1451247689 822177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the compiler is O(n) < 1451247693 209142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the point where cyclic tag is involved, I no longer care much about being linear, because it's probably a lost cause anyway, as opposed to just polynomial. < 1451247698 614177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ah right < 1451247700 730753 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1451247707 934495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know 3sp is so programmable. < 1451247726 268771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I got disappointed in it when I realised it was too easy < 1451247815 534494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see if Rosetta Code has 3SP programs on it yet < 1451247850 700362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, not yet < 1451247888 405778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[073SP14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46007 5* 03B jonas 5* (+35) 10Redirected page to [[Three Star Programmer]] < 1451249183 831460 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas for the totally unstructured langusge yet < 1451249445 178551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to buy a compact camera, but it's hard to compare them, so I should figure out some tie-breaker feature to compare the similar cameras. Sensitivity bracketing could be such a feature, if it is available in some of the compact cameras of the category I want. < 1451249481 242086 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do camera manufacturers call that these days? Something with "multi" I think. < 1451249621 559129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to find out how each brand calls this feature first. < 1451249682 528514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just buy the cheapest. < 1451249862 767179 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1451250455 897273 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, apparently that feature is called "AE Bracketing". < 1451250536 526231 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AE" might stand for "adjust exposure" or it might not, I'm not sure < 1451250544 662676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe "auto exposure" < 1451251626 62378 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451252695 778971 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1451252721 243243 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-194-175.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1451252748 819018 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-194-175.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451253182 848096 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric < 1451253185 361822 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/HexHive/printbf < 1451253196 407757 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck implemented in a single printf string < 1451253345 502192 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1451253528 627990 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-194-175.slkc.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451254025 22682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there good software for SQL templating in a webpage like PHP is doing, but each block can contain a text part as well (to do a kind of foreach loop templating) and you can declare error handler and so on too < 1451254103 162463 :TodPunk!~Tod@67-2-194-175.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451254330 777170 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451254389 566171 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1451254539 298366 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451254767 517637 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Hi < 1451255044 92114 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: WALRUS MAAAAAAAAAAAAN < 1451255082 916568 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1451255107 95193 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451255269 131077 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451257160 14790 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451257292 695643 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451257478 713824 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451257700 163913 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451257991 708457 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451259015 485849 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanhelloa, hppavellon[1], chelloppro, hezzo38, QUINTHELLOPIAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1451259151 835171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1451259280 444292 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1451260326 850118 :sat-buddhi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451260419 677478 :sat-buddhi!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi NICK :turiya < 1451261354 795340 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1451261597 509580 :turiya!~sat-buddh@unaffiliated/sat-buddhi PART #esoteric :"L.V.X." < 1451262700 774093 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Lambda Nomic will allow the following strange syntax: {f, g, h}(x) < 1451262714 590893 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, call a set of functions with the variable `x` < 1451262850 542950 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equivalent to {f(x), g(x), h(x)} < 1451262914 451239 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, f!({x, y, z}) or something along those lines, which is equivalent to {f(x), f(y), f(z)}, and by extension, {f, g}!({x, y}), which is of course equivalent to {f(x), f(y), g(x), g(y)} < 1451263043 460919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ($ 10) <$> [(+1), (*2), \x -> 3*x+7] < 1451263045 359114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [11,20,37] < 1451263752 151350 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx124.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451264634 955972 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:6c4d:bd06:3694:2599 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451264714 832645 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still trying to think of something for the Bracket Calculus < 1451265094 433384 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451265352 212575 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451265366 608022 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:6c4d:bd06:3694:2599 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451265383 638862 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451266285 524410 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451267846 157362 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451267937 339765 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1451269156 196932 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1451269222 432878 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1451269223 662769 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451269448 22507 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1451269475 707237 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1451269595 879551 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451269970 555939 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451270259 711204 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1451270318 968645 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-52-122-10.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451270392 101238 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451270402 573588 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sparse matrix algorithm/Sparse matrix algorithms are a trivial special case of non-sparse matrix algorithms, by conjugating with the sparsification operation. < 1451270427 489085 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any sparsification operation, and is it a Tanebvention? < 1451271062 72787 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451271064 408196 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.fr/Bienvenue au centre international pour le design et le déploiement des langages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d’informations, visitez le wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Pour l’autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur EFnet ou DALnet.) < 1451271081 402881 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451271082 849327 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pdf/PDF stands for Pretty Depressing Format. < 1451271102 432609 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I can get behind. PDFs are evil. < 1451271105 202781 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451271106 876267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :torus/Topologically, a torus is just a torus. Taneb invented it. < 1451271121 499807 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :certified tanebvention®. < 1451271194 608393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the tanebventions meme < 1451271326 113043 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451272045 553531 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/HexHive/printbf < 1451272076 847352 :vodkode!~vodkode@71.52.122.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451272581 784064 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451272686 171924 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451273298 706441 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451273531 405364 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451273673 787770 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451273791 532536 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :was posted 6 hours ago < 1451273905 452519 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia wants a citation as to the fact that *4)x+,/y is not a well-formed expression, but instead just a meaningless jumble < 1451274348 908960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: *one Wikipedia editor < 1451274355 491892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm sure we have languages where it's valid < 1451274372 590817 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: True < 1451274385 82171 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: We do, but it's just discussing the commonly-used ones < 1451274419 32829 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451274420 476733 :jaboja64!~jaboja@ese1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451274425 40141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's valid even in brainfuck! < 1451274697 23451 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few things aren't. < 1451274850 722462 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think by expression, it would mean algebraic expression. < 1451274981 417165 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: in golfscript, it's "a = pop() * pop(); push(a / length(5 + x)); push(y)"! < 1451275005 156739 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algebra of Brainfuck expressions < 1451275018 349239 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MCS-Kaijin 5* 10New user account < 1451275341 648621 :jaboja64!~jaboja@ese1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451275563 728617 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451276592 713781 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The only things which aren't are unmatched brackets, and a naive brainfuck interpreter ("[" = push the current location, "]" = pop a location and go to it) will even allow left-heavy brackets < 1451276617 742178 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if your BF interpreter works on a default-to-zero stack, there is literally NO invalid brainfuck code! < 1451276638 645329 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can one truly consider a brainfuck program to be an "expression"> < 1451276640 225158 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1451276759 970630 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I like the default-to-zero stack idea. < 1451276763 840896 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: TELOMERASE CHICKEN < 1451276778 957605 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Good < 1451276794 686132 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes no Brainfuck program illegal. Spiffy. < 1451276817 349363 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ooh, or perhaps for a more eso- factor, a stack that, when pop() is called, injects the value to the back before returning it < 1451276831 405419 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1451276836 962782 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1451276841 854280 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't come up with an example < 1451276858 349991 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> s = MyStack([1, 2, 3, 4, 5]) < 1451276866 664438 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> s.pop() < 1451276882 660637 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<< 5 < 1451276885 64119 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> s < 1451276898 176050 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<< MyStack([5, 1, 2, 3, 4]) < 1451276916 121812 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So pop() is really just roll() that returns the value rolled < 1451276966 236190 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What do you think of my idea for a "Bracket Calculus"? < 1451276998 739499 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1451278501 443778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WhoScript14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46008 5* 03MCS-Kaijin 5* (+4136) 10Created page with "'''WhoScript''' is a Doctor Who-themed [[Esoteric_programming_language|esoteric programming language]] created by Daniel Gentry (MCS-Kaijin). ==Commands== The language can be..." < 1451278962 335331 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WhoScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46009&oldid=46008 5* 03MCS-Kaijin 5* (+123) 10 < 1451280656 377987 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1451284040 557529 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WhoScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46010&oldid=46009 5* 03MCS-Kaijin 5* (+197) 10 < 1451287196 806273 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451288414 756801 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1451288590 605256 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451288642 133939 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451289659 232347 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1451289704 825132 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Kangaroo14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46011&oldid=45825 5* 03Ais523 5* (+5) 10pipe category link < 1451289715 931071 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1451289916 847116 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such thing as fourth-party software? xD < 1451290071 639381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1451290720 354165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software written by aliens? < 1451292231 354757 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: According to someone from #law, the fourth party is the agent < 1451292238 944147 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought I sent that earlier xD < 1451293225 718587 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451293257 572965 :singingboyo!~brandonso@d50-98-172-252.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1451293270 573708 :singingboyo!~brandonso@thetis.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1451294558 136194 :tester567345!~tester567@et-0-55.gw-nat.bs.kae.de.oneandone.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451294724 400811 :tester567345!~tester567@et-0-55.gw-nat.bs.kae.de.oneandone.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451295172 530838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at large lens compact camera models of the last few years, and I'm trying to set up a mental list of my priorities of what properties I want to look for. < 1451295188 504088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've identified two important properties. < 1451295255 346762 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an interface that, although might not necessarily be easy to learn (since it's my camera, I have time to learn it), lets me quickly change the options I often want to change on the field. < 1451295283 820422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would like wide angle field of view at the widest setting (luckily this latter is easy to tell from the specs). < 1451295574 999256 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451295582 656135 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451296102 48798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made the webpage you can post the user comment for my custom Magic: the Gathering cards; you can still download the plain text file too (and it will remain the primary source), and you can also download the SQLite database. You need account to send comment. You can use curl to post the comments too if you prefer, but you still need an account whether using the web-browser or command-line. < 1451296196 394979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is: http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/cardfile.php It also links to the plain text and SQL codes. < 1451296213 451790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need an account, please do the following: Decide username. Put a colon afterward and then CustomMTG_zzo38 and then another colon and then the password. Tell me by private message the MD5 hash of this, and also tell me your username too, and then I will add it to my computer. < 1451296296 427259 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of other properties that would be nice to have but aren't priorities; properties that would be important but I can't predict (like whether the mechanical components of the lens will break within three years); properties that are uniform within the category; and properites that I barely care about. < 1451296317 615443 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh nice! < 1451296678 669039 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1451297723 649501 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1451299831 362674 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451300289 627647 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is http://joethecircle.com/ webcomic active now? it was stalled for quite a while. < 1451302666 505038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1451303972 819550 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451304545 74570 :singingboyo!~brandonso@thetis.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1451305022 745541 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451307105 289923 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451309087 48874 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451309091 669061 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1451309681 754668 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451309758 377764 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Three Star Programmer14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46012 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+118) 10Created page with "If the cells are unbounded, it may still be turing complete even with only two cells depending on the instruction set." < 1451309960 471469 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Three Star Programmer14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46013&oldid=46012 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+99) 10 < 1451311110 451195 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, please open the window, then close it again after five minutes. < 1451311110 636470 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: good for you.) emacs uses a doubly linked list, i can't < 1451311390 6609 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so that is how emacs manages to open windows < 1451311390 240669 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: " ok." at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord?), fnord) < 1451311422 687123 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1451311423 116940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 22h 11m 46s ago: qc:tsé is about en:y'know. < 1451311470 810441 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily which sounds about like trøndersk:sjø < 1451311471 352551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451311506 744358 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boily is canadian english:eh in the same category? < 1451311507 221866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1451313191 730735 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451314593 48037 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451314597 904083 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1451314604 427160 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cls/cls is a command to clear the screen. < 1451314604 586255 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :605) elliott: well how will you represent "The dog jumped over the lazy dog" then? < 1451314772 151731 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451314773 521988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mothology/Mothology is the study of moths, myths and mirths. < 1451314777 53586 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451314778 355666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lorem ipsum/Business Internet the it China Product Product NATO < 1451314781 543381 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451314782 804845 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zygohistomorphic prepromorphism/A zygohistomorphic prepromorphism is used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor. < 1451315087 146739 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451315088 946087 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morphism/A morphism is just a natural transformation between two functors on 1. < 1451315112 917549 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451315115 66980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicide/Unicide is when people can't read your suicide note because they lack the proper font. < 1451315121 687016 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1451315123 173208 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :california/California is pronounced "Caliphate-ornery-I-A" < 1451315342 844189 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs frantically through the logs trying to escape the trains < 1451315360 573216 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a frogger? < 1451315362 509973 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? frogger < 1451315363 758199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :frogger? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1451315366 819633 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mario < 1451315367 959548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mario? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1451315385 302841 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1451315460 788573 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frogger ♥ < 1451315554 166473 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Mario is a classic NP-complete problem invented by Nintendo. < 1451315558 337890 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'mario': Mario is a classic NP-complete problem invented by Nintendo. < 1451315598 630894 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1451316430 746309 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1451316757 643098 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451317150 600534 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:6c4d:bd06:3694:2599 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451317201 132321 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i would say "eh" is closer to "right?" or something < 1451317235 944570 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hi boily (pronounces it rhyming with "oily") < 1451317237 963490 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan, maurhis. < 1451317256 466515 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1451317256 825480 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 36m 25s ago: which sounds about like trøndersk:sjø < 1451317256 984784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 1h 35m 49s ago: is canadian english:eh in the same category? < 1451317269 867074 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. < 1451317315 693689 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: /bwali/, not /bɔjli/. < 1451317339 580718 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm well aware! < 1451317350 779448 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still funny, though, how much "boily" looks like an english word < 1451317359 172108 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :belloily. mauris: sorry you've been overruled by a genuine canadian. < 1451317418 241781 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1451317453 141516 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pat pat pats mauris < 1451317454 507435 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eh" has wider use though, right?! like tag questions. "that movie sucked, eh?" < 1451317472 484194 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if that use is strictly canadian though < 1451317695 307810 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's recognized as canadian. < 1451317713 489971 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451317843 892925 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:909f:3320:82ee:560 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451317858 966546 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/paste* < 1451317860 43041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/paste \ bin/pastefortunes \ bin/pastekarma \ bin/pastelog \ bin/pastelogs \ bin/pastenquotes \ bin/pastequotes \ bin/pastewisdom < 1451317872 710859 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastewisdom < 1451317874 797888 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom < 1451318192 257017 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric : mauris: /bwali/, not /bɔjli/. ← oh no < 1451318424 766538 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. they are doing an actual [censored] in the next M:tG set? They tried to do that once and figured they couldn't, but the argument looked suspicious to me, because it referred to interacting badly with a very small number of specific cards. < 1451318472 520578 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next M:tG set = Oath of the Gatewatch, second set of the Battle for Zendikar block, to be released in 2016-01 < 1451318505 539261 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was back in the Time Spiral block. < 1451318518 755080 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably Planar Chaos, but I'm not sure, it's hard to get the sets right. < 1451319634 512903 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^ < 1451320036 314367 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this comes with a rules change that requires non-functionally errataing the template on about three hundred cards. < 1451320572 18044 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451320587 744207 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451321192 46242 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WhoScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46014&oldid=46010 5* 03MCS-Kaijin 5* (+61) 10 < 1451321363 877934 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-215-88.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1451321416 740027 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-2-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1451321424 578509 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-215-88.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1451321899 349278 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1451325289 306647 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: HAIRLESS CHICKEN < 1451326567 22986 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:909f:3320:82ee:560 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451326925 584904 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WhoScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46015&oldid=46014 5* 03MCS-Kaijin 5* (+279) 10 < 1451327293 612387 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:909f:3320:82ee:560 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451327700 164657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WhoScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46016&oldid=46015 5* 03MCS-Kaijin 5* (+84) 10 < 1451328460 93566 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How will this change affect Mox Lotus? < 1451328577 785505 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ziwbyjornqbwxrfu JOIN :#esoteric < 1451328729 677415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Unfortunately I do not know any of that stuff. < 1451329004 268445 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude < 1451329071 286694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to describe in more details how you mean? < 1451329812 986546 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a spoiler, so look at http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/solemn-oath-part-1-2015-12-28 and http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/oath-gatewatch-mechanics-2015-12-28 < 1451329820 573961 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then ask again if what I said still doesn't make any sense < 1451329834 523498 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :earenndil < 1451330434 787420 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451330770 843039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean the colorless mana symbol and Wastes card? To me it seem you could delete rule 107.4c and add rule 106.12 (to go with 106.8 and 106.9) in order to have the correct effect? < 1451330884 174005 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451331708 615206 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, the colorless mana symbol, the Wastes card, and errataing all cards that directly mention adding colorless mana to your mana pool, which actually makes more than a percent of all M:tG cards. < 1451331969 329047 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and I think it takes a bit more rules changes than that. you need a rule like 106.8 to define the effect of Elemental Resonance, plus multiple rules about the {C} mana symbol itself, possibly a rule that clarifies that Wastes has an activated ability despite that it's not printed on it, and probably some reminder rules about old cards. < 1451332035 83591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just put the ability in the Oracle text. < 1451332063 545716 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but that would be a precedent, because so far the _first_ printing of any tournament-legal card always had the abilities printed on it < 1451332101 792644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1451332118 67174 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only special printings with a low number of copies, like http://magiccards.info/mprp/en/25.html , omit the ability entirely. < 1451332234 71101 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :117.7 also needs a new arm < 1451332380 260484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion no tournament-legal cards should ever omit the text. If it were up to me, such cards would not be allowed in tournaments, and foreign cards would also be prohibited, but proxies would be allowed as long as they contained the current text, do not contain artwork to be confused with other card, are in card sleeves, have equal physical properties to official cards, and are not offered for sale. < 1451332535 667752 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: whoa. that latter would be very strange, allowing proxies all the time. < 1451332557 624816 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you define "equal physical properties" in such a way that it's basically impossible to create such a proxy. < 1451332608 928089 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a big problem with foreign cards or cards omitting text though, as many cards already have inaccurate text that has been errataed since in significant ways. < 1451332686 389212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am refering to such things as mass and size, and tolerances would be defined. < 1451332717 741571 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1451332775 488280 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But changing Magic: the Gathering like that is too much changed, but I would do what I describe if making my own card game. < 1451332896 654987 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the most important part about physical properties is that when hidden, the cards should not be distinguishable, so you can't know what you'll draw. < 1451332918 236256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, that is the point of such a rule. < 1451333138 602545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are other things I would do too in designing my own game, such as the rules would include mathematical formulas and computer codes too (possibly written as a literate program), and also each card will have computer codes associated with it, which are freely available to download. The game is meant both for with the computer and for without the computer. < 1451333159 481709 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well sure, for a different game that could make sense. < 1451333177 465121 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG is in a difficult position because it has so much historical cruft. < 1451333213 496624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that is why I say. < 1451333230 227660 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also because it's a commercial game.) < 1451333438 759883 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451333774 846493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need account for my custom Magic: the Gathering cards? < 1451333795 854531 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, probably not right now < 1451333809 548064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo38mtg < 1451333810 582716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt < 1451333819 382774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that URL should be changed? < 1451333847 630806 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, more like that text file should contain a link to the other page < 1451333851 444623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the correct URL, however there is also another one for HTML with user comments, and there is also the SQLite database and schema file. < 1451333878 14311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: OK I will add that, thank you for the suggestion; I will do that in a few minutes < 1451333883 626992 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text file is discoverable because the directory is listed on gopher/http. < 1451335050 534543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I added the link into that text file too now < 1451335443 794580 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451335954 971301 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451336615 655024 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WhoScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46017&oldid=46016 5* 03MCS-Kaijin 5* (+227) 10 < 1451336704 90685 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1451337225 481183 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Subskin14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46018&oldid=45999 5* 0378.52.173.163 5* (+10) 10/* Examples */ < 1451337458 726084 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Subskin14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46019&oldid=46018 5* 0378.52.173.163 5* (-1) 10 < 1451337503 909776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a direct link. < 1451337554 187888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was talking to someone who knows you from somewhere. < 1451337555 652352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some MUD? < 1451337561 815525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could add it if you want both link? < 1451337568 952596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Possibly ifMUD? < 1451337583 72791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one. < 1451337589 319793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am #20071 on ifMUD < 1451337592 563049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn zzo38mtg.php/http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/cardfile.php < 1451337599 204398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «zzo38mtg.php» < 1451337618 297101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apartment number 11011 < 1451337651 408162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh man, le/rn should look at its argv[0] and figure out whether it was called with one slash or two and use that separator on the text < 1451337868 458311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you know who it was that you talk to? < 1451337905 38420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Google employee. I don't know their username or number on ifMUD. < 1451337967 553906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK < 1451338061 38913 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WhoScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46020&oldid=46017 5* 03MCS-Kaijin 5* (+184) 10 < 1451338267 566607 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Island offering" ? wow < 1451338274 91310 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a very strange ability < 1451338334 723837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write more comments directly on the database if you have account. I explained before, how to request an account < 1451338357 936215 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a way to create an Island with a mana cost < 1451338424 206215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using various combinations of other effects it may be possible. < 1451338444 473101 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you turn a non-land into a land without overwriting it completely? < 1451338531 268451 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can change the mana cost of an object without overwriting its other characteristics. < 1451338579 660270 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you written any IF? < 1451338669 187777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have worked on some before but never quite did it. I have started on some stuff though I may continue, and I have written a Z-machine interpreter called ZORKMID. < 1451338771 460065 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the card file seems to contain a lot of new cards I hadn't seen before. < 1451338901 925786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there are new ones. Request account and then you can post comments into the database too. < 1451338948 178404 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, let me read back for the instructions < 1451338971 338727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe I should add a section for general-purpose comments which are not applicable to any particular card, too. I do not want to add it into the "CARDS" table though, as that would confuse any kind of SQL query you may use to look up statistics and other stuff about the card.) < 1451338996 943889 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you need an account, please do the following: Decide username. Put a colon afterward and then CustomMTG_zzo38 and then another colon and then the password. Tell me by private message the MD5 hash of this, and also tell me your username too, and then I will add it to my computer." < 1451339119 533856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be possible to use the "htdigest" program (if you have it installed) to make this computation. < 1451339311 747246 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm requesting a user then. my username is b_jonas and the hex MD5 sum computed above is 512bb4804b927c34a58a9d0657084c5b < 1451339326 842461 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait, I have to tell in private message < 1451339370 751883 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll have to explain my how to log in. < 1451339409 37035 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem obvious from the webpage. < 1451339448 807815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will ask you as soon as you try to send a comment. After that, you don't have to type the username/password again during the same session. < 1451339454 176373 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1451339455 622889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added it now. < 1451339596 631581 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1451339621 31175 :uberuno!~uberuno30@195-154-191-67.rev.poneytelecom.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1451339645 266779 :uberuno!~uberuno30@195-154-191-67.rev.poneytelecom.eu QUIT :Client Quit < 1451340124 67830 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451340200 117663 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451340360 867499 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451340592 116430 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451341473 743468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you are trying to post a comment then please tell me if you have a difficulty to do so. < 1451342308 93026 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any number systems that do /not/ include the Reflexive Property? < 1451342354 610490 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the transitive property? < 1451342512 360799 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALY < 1451342528 331103 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE INTARNAT < 1451342567 226135 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1451342660 266591 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid storm knocked down the telephone lines up north, I couldn't get internet until i got home < 1451342797 326647 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07WhoScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46021&oldid=46020 5* 03MCS-Kaijin 5* (+810) 10 < 1451342908 669075 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1451342988 133445 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about fuzzy sets where the membership is any real number? Fuzzy bags, basically < 1451342997 419274 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better, fuzzy set where membership is a Complex Number < 1451343056 674405 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Between 0 and 1, or in R < 1451343209 538541 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The coefficients, that is < 1451343228 409200 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever a and b are called < 1451343313 676421 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could go for |z| <= 1 (i.e. a^2 + b^2 <= 1), like in quantum mechanics. < 1451343378 28909 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You means sqrt(a^2 + b^2) <= 1? < 1451343419 152314 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the same < 1451343479 118302 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, actually no, because in quantum mechanics you don't take the square root to find the "real" probability. < 1451343688 270777 :jaboja64!~jaboja@erx94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451343944 110151 :jaboja!~jaboja@ese1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451344298 910043 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh < 1451344344 610184 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451344557 84049 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Jelly14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46022 5* 0364.58.7.42 5* (+39) 10Created page with "https://github.com/DennisMitchell/jelly" < 1451344686 46972 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Jelly14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46023&oldid=46022 5* 0364.58.7.42 5* (+184) 10 < 1451344739 518725 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $0 < 1451344740 665855 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash < 1451344762 434090 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat le/rn < 1451344763 307293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ [[ "$1" = */* ]] || exit \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | cut -d / -f 1) \ [ -z "$topic" ] && exit 1 \ value=$(echo "$1" | cut -d / -f 2-) \ echo "$value" > wisdom/"$topic" && echo "Learned «$topic»" < 1451344835 594687 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin//bash -c 'echo $0' < 1451344837 777309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin//bash < 1451344851 657891 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: looks plausible < 1451344861 947623 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but beyond my bash skills < 1451344870 822657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1451344875 202870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping you'd do it twh < 1451344953 834862 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1451344997 492668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you shouldn't use cut < 1451345005 175170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead you can do it the mk way < 1451345013 28571 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/mk < 1451345013 983843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || exit 1; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$key" && echo "$key" < 1451345030 701139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i wonder whether that works when the separator is a variable < 1451345147 610592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :could also be time to abashndon < 1451345229 448823 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't mk support newlines, or does it < 1451345241 822170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would it < 1451345273 770077 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, but it's awkward to make a larger script without it < 1451345312 467468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by newlines < 1451345334 73965 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :making a file that contains more than line hth < 1451345386 672243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mk $'/tmp/test//a\nb'; xxd /tmp/test < 1451345387 755152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/test \ 0000000: 610a 620a a.b. < 1451345681 584288 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo! I got collision in my TDG semi-working! < 1451345734 992025 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a little derpy on the West and South walls, but it works! < 1451345737 230859 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly! < 1451345864 988363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pattern in bash's ${var#pattern} expansion (and ditto for ##, %, %%) can contain variables that get expanded, yes. < 1451345903 313870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` t="abc"; u="b"; echo ${t#*$u} < 1451345904 364536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1451345973 942015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boom < 1451345998 398527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` t="ab cd"; u="b c"; echo ${t#*$u} < 1451345999 770997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1451346005 6494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to quote it, even? < 1451346349 427153 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a programming project < 1451346350 870347 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :caaaaaaaaaaaaaat < 1451346370 31261 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like cat, but duplicate every vowel an arbitrary (preferably random) number of times < 1451346737 491753 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1451346961 638309 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: What if someone is using a language in which the set of vowels is different? < 1451346996 998111 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Maybe pseudorandom, so the same input always yields the same output < 1451347045 597917 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Of course < 1451347077 119811 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get bonus points for every additional language allowed, which one is used being asked for at startup < 1451347094 398277 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking the random number generation would be seeded by the input < 1451347108 817661 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So changing a byte at the start will change all the subsequent output < 1451347339 282065 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well yeah. How else would it work? < 1451347354 879427 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Have any ideas for esoteric hashing functions? < 1451347367 897395 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My personal favorite is the Large Hashon Collider < 1451347375 433008 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`return 0` is its output < 1451347376 297266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: return: not found < 1451347491 625455 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the "Just pretend it's an int" hashing function for floats < 1451347560 704777 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think it'd be fun to write a C function which has a return 0; at the end, no other return statements, and yet returns something different from 0 < 1451347635 861077 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Is that even possible? < 1451347660 778724 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, if you try hard enough < 1451347685 349142 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that executable memory usually isn't writeable < 1451347689 675396 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd need to do something about that < 1451347957 934642 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Are there any number systems that do /not/ include the Reflexive Property? Or the transitive property? <-- IEEE 754 HTH < 1451347968 363021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also go by the route of doing something that's both undefined and sufficiently confusing to the compiler. < 1451347985 195799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hppavilion[1] said "number systems" hth < 1451348001 110365 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number systems. Like the reals or complexes. < 1451348002 773272 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, maybe it's still transitive. < 1451348023 287036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which relation are you talking about? equality? < 1451348026 793318 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "or" was boolean there < 1451348030 303402 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure IEEE 754 counts as a number system in some horrible reality. < 1451348032 289065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "equality" < 1451348041 852826 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, I already talked about that on ##math < 1451348078 678773 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reflexive Property of > < 1451348082 33800 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i think that "nullity" thing that went around a few years ago counts? < 1451348099 534442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scowllity < 1451348100 342563 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any number a, a>a < 1451348107 220623 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nullity? < 1451348196 368956 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it was a rather lousy attempt to define division by 0 that someone made. honestly i don't think i actually read it, but i recall it mentioned it wasn't even equal to itself. < 1451348219 273015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean it was a solution to a 1200-year-old problem < 1451348229 519093 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1451348236 73665 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Would you happen to have a linky for a poor, bad-at-googling soul? < 1451348246 291675 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points hppavilion[1] to shachaf as the expert < 1451348253 887994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/berkshire/content/articles/2006/12/06/divide_zero_feature.shtml hth < 1451348263 182425 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: how can i have a link when i never read it that makes no sense hth < 1451348273 861680 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh god < 1451348277 470408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Anderson_(computer_scientist)#Transreal_arithmetic < 1451348279 620403 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caversham actually taught it in schools < 1451348284 741062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this belongs in the other #esoteric < 1451348294 327364 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, you said you /didn't/ read it < 1451348392 833 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh god, he added infinity and minus infinity (and nullity) < 1451348403 951233 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he didn't add, for example, 2*infinity or sqrt(infinity) < 1451348406 210113 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idiot < 1451348461 930529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1451348471 322528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing wrong with compactifications, yo < 1451348490 516172 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a better attempt, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory < 1451348504 18183 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not messing with equality, though. < 1451348505 196116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_real_number_line and stuff, man < 1451348589 733903 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics needs a symbol for "x is not necessarily equal to y, but it could be if you tried /really/ hard" < 1451348605 652743 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. x!=x in most cases, but there are a few cases where it is.) < 1451348703 726806 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good, the wheel thingy is an idea already. < 1451348707 109313 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was. < 1451348800 929098 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If your heart pacemaker divides by zero, you're dead" < 1451348812 333180 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, he's never heard of a try..except statement < 1451348822 449464 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, y'know, if x != 0 < 1451348880 758950 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1451348891 776977 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have the schoolchildren actually convinced this is mathematical fact < 1451348904 126806 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure, math allows you to just make shit up if you feel like it < 1451348911 984396 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But teaching this is just stupid < 1451349626 426944 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451349707 285637 :j-bot!~j-bot@li1285-84.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1451349794 60599 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451349976 844023 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :Elronnd < 1451350769 173705 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451352571 848032 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit! < 1451352590 637666 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451352652 907861 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean in ieee floats, 1/0 is infinity < 1451352713 778878 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -1/0 is -infinity < 1451352858 24209 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Client Quit < 1451352884 845884 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ieee complexes have 8 different infinities < 1451352923 842601 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a shitload of NaN < 1451354059 554543 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451355525 786495 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451355744 970334 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1451355916 56555 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451356012 894699 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451356143 483608 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451356241 946580 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451356862 848712 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit! < 1451356888 736178 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451356980 617083 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:909f:3320:82ee:560 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451357078 239308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=247365 hth < 1451357106 748264 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1451357234 707044 :jaboja64!~jaboja@erx94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1451357526 682731 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451357538 428624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: turns out the thing my cat ate wasn't a placenta but an amnion hth < 1451357543 601225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnion < 1451357686 479285 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451357900 329736 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1451357913 528453 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Dr. Anderson is a fucking idiot < 1451357930 578672 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to BBC, "He has also reinvented computing..." < 1451357961 241404 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The perspex can be understood in many ways. ...and an instruction for a machine that is more powerful than the Turing machine. < 1451357990 458830 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(^|$)/"/ < 1451358039 62626 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, that was The Guardian < 1451358073 730934 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Guardian can't even work up the effort to represent 0^0 using proper exponents < 1451358125 25173 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Guardian claims that mathematicians are different from computer scientists < 1451358194 264981 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anyway, we eagerly await his contribution to the knotty problem of the square root of -1." < 1451358202 290894 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD THE GUARDIAN IS MADE OF IDIOTS < 1451358351 938814 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's often the case with journalism. < 1451358367 954222 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to remember that, when writing fiction, to have in-universe news articles be written poorly. < 1451358377 895326 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anderson has been trying to market his ideas for transreal arithmetic and "Perspex machines" to investors. He claims that his work can produce computers which run "orders of magnitude faster than today's computers".[7][12] He has also claimed that it can help solve such problems as quantum gravity,[7] the mind-body connection,[13] consciousness[13] and free will.[13]" < 1451358383 125915 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1451358387 889823 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to go hang myself now < 1451358397 551607 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better yet, I think I'll hang Anderson. < 1451358593 466640 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr. Anderson sounds like a cool guy and I reccomend he keep on being completely ridiculous. < 1451358604 841978 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah. < 1451358613 788305 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Perspex sounds more like a brand of deodorant. < 1451358627 449502 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is... < 1451358667 513111 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's such a good computer, I suggest making a server farm first and offering remote services on it. < 1451358721 531082 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way he doens't need to worry about selling the machine itself, just its capacity to compute. < 1451358729 409811 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine bitcoins on it maybe. < 1451358840 662450 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I find a paper that goes WAY too far with Peano Arithmetic? < 1451358849 295137 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, to-the-complex-numbers far? < 1451358851 304732 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Wouldn't it be better to simply factor giant numbers? < 1451358882 86269 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/better/more fun, exciting, and valuable/ < 1451358912 689800 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that quantum computing even helps with Bitcoin. < 1451358923 89936 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, at first anyway. < 1451358945 782252 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If bitcoins are based on factoring, it will. < 1451358951 262271 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't. < 1451358960 93703 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it based on elliptic curves? < 1451358978 64396 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, there is the ECDSA signature thing. < 1451359009 229850 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :popular tech media reporting on quantum computing makes me rage < 1451359011 709278 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That actually is vulnerable to quantum computers. < 1451359015 979867 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1451359043 542047 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just thinking SHA-256. < 1451359049 93070 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wait, I thought most hash functions as of yet are quantum-secure? < 1451359056 492272 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is vulnerable to rock-based cellular automaton computers, given long enough < 1451359063 710329 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't ECDSA just an implementation detail of its protocol? < 1451359086 403635 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm increasingly skeptical quantum computers will ever come to fruition < 1451359088 350286 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, ECDSA is used for wallets. < 1451359091 511623 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1451359140 994595 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I think that's one of the less interesting uses of breaking almost all crypto on the planet. < 1451359153 207043 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no kidding < 1451359404 830592 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451360231 623696 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided to do a playthrough of the λ-calculus xD < 1451360379 726475 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :diginet: Why's that? (re: increasingly skeptical) < 1451360403 744271 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: I don't necessary have a good reason, just a hunch < 1451360410 999208 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because one hasn't appeared yet < 1451360425 611830 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, laptops didn't appear immediately either. We first had computers that filled an entire room. < 1451360426 815353 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451360446 49054 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, although I don't think it's quite comparable < 1451360454 600933 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum computers, as a concept, are fairly old < 1451360494 438145 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's not quite comparable, so was the concept of a computer. :P < 1451360538 971303 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where `1 = λx.x`, would `2 = λs.1` be correct in λ-calculus? < 1451360561 703927 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: true, I dunno, I'm willing to be disproven, I'm just not as confident as I once was < 1451360580 388007 :v^!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451360590 781623 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :diginet: Well, progress is slowly, but I think most definitely, being made. Remain hopeful! :P < 1451360633 490447 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, got that wrong < 1451360715 775791 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1451360743 939221 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 = λs.0, 0 = λs.I, I = λx.x < 1451360747 889139 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I get that right? < 1451360972 733796 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1451361650 107099 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1451362264 576120 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451362415 680340 :v^!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451362949 779501 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1451363116 670668 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451363462 421534 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the thing Anderson was doing is different from projective infinity, which seems more like what I was thinking. < 1451363612 529397 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it would make sense to further extend that with irrational numbers to make a number dougnut. < 1451364771 976172 :nisstyre_!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com NICK :nisstyre < 1451364795 992023 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1451364796 151102 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1451365192 588917 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1451365881 512676 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream < 1451365922 419991 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.94.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451366160 678880 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1451369730 160479 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDream: Fun fact: I've had Anderson teach one of my modules for Computer Science < 1451369879 141364 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing a λ-calculus playthrough. I don't know why I keep being surprised when things work < 1451370280 643129 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:909f:3320:82ee:560 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451372621 712765 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1451372686 281863 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451372750 158259 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451373141 998138 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1451373699 775988 :qpwoeiruty!ac624330@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.98.67.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451373735 956978 :qpwoeiruty!ac624330@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.98.67.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to do strlen with Brainfuck? < 1451373801 959114 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yees < 1451373803 980558 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1451373881 733696 :qpwoeiruty!ac624330@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.98.67.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any idea how to implement it... I have been reading the assembly pseudo code < 1451373932 532887 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, haven't thought about it < 1451373934 523129 :qpwoeiruty!ac624330@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.98.67.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of new to esoteric < 1451373936 774992 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but BF is TC so it's doable < 1451373971 223487 :qpwoeiruty!ac624330@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.98.67.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: would it take a lot of time in your opinion? < 1451373985 184598 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably do it in 10 minutes? < 1451373994 753180 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus debugging time < 1451374062 481242 :qpwoeiruty!ac624330@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.98.67.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I was just hoping for a rough idea...any help is great. < 1451374086 224633 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will probably need to move the string as you process it < 1451374094 771675 :jaboja!~jaboja@erx94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1451374097 663437 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't easily move back to your data, so you need to move the data with you < 1451374162 246721 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd start with something like [count][scratch][string], and at each stage move the count+1 to the scratch, zero the count, move the first character of the string to the count space, then zero the first character of the string < 1451374166 252171 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then move forward one cell and repeat < 1451374316 544683 :qpwoeiruty!ac624330@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.98.67.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, thanks. Kinda late here. Maybe I'll be back another time. Just a project idea. < 1451374321 897682 :qpwoeiruty!ac624330@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.98.67.48 PART :#esoteric < 1451375093 773547 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451375119 813708 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unary relations over geometry FTW < 1451375136 12496 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>trianlgle[(0, 0), (0, 1), (1, 0)] < 1451375862 668189 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1451376286 344073 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a production-strength programming language < 1451376291 983421 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on Combinatory Logic < 1451377115 378633 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ziwbyjornqbwxrfu QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1451377429 798639 :andrew_!~andrew@116.25.144.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451377630 596605 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.94.51 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1451378310 455086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What's {P}? < 1451379046 880632 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1451379054 300756 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Combinatory Logic is binary trees < 1451379064 593034 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if we do it with DiGraphs instead? < 1451379138 417161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A graph is just a compact representation of a tree. < 1451380230 429623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What context? How are you meaning? < 1451380237 899224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :{P/W}, I mean < 1451380241 152841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it {W/P}? < 1451380251 153338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(W/P) < 1451380252 438771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a Phyrexian mana symbol. < 1451380265 599564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can pay either one mana of that color, or you can pay 2 life. < 1451380358 200184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is even mentioned in the rules for Magic: the Gathering. < 1451380458 354057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1451380462 958211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about that. < 1451380488 130100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit odd that it's on all colors. Seems like a pretty black ability to me. < 1451380599 338882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I suppose so, but it is on all colors, and is still meaningful in such case too. Anyways, all colors can be in lands that damage you for activating them. < 1451380640 380142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The oldest Phyrexian cards were black, but this was before Phyrexian mana was invented, and now you can find Phyrexian cards in all colors (including black). < 1451380686 44412 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't forget that the Phyrexian blight is spreading. in SOM, infect is only on black and green; in MBS and NPH, it's on all colors. < 1451380710 360078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never played during that block so I didn't keep track. < 1451380768 641908 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the story of the block is that the Phyrexians attack Mirrodin, and by the end of the block, they _win_ < 1451380800 31808 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they start to turn everything on mirrodin, artifacts and things colored by all five suns, to a twisted phyerxian counterpart < 1451380832 282548 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including Darksteel Colossus to Blightsteel Colossus < 1451381152 356501 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://howdns.works/ < 1451381231 364238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/bin/ping howdns.works < 1451381232 243143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping: unknown host howdns.works < 1451381233 503385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :badly hth < 1451381235 408480 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it uses some sort of UDP and TCP thingies and servers and... I dunno < 1451381250 335706 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a great read < 1451381253 526729 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's free < 1451381275 645563 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that kind of DNS right, not the other, because the other is called DNA in English? < 1451381280 239128 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I am aware of Teneb the Harvester < 1451381288 913227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teneb the Hervester < 1451381299 225171 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? teneb < 1451381300 218553 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :teneb? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1451381946 521915 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question to those of you who know, how would a language based on dependent types do stuff with input that's unknown, say user input or from a TCP connection... would it just implement the checks into the program so that it checks it at runtime for unknown stuff? < 1451381969 755977 :atslash!~atslash@94.127.221.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451382009 292936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would do similar things to other languages with types that can express things you want. < 1451382045 234146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or how do you mean? < 1451382621 764348 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1451382627 213080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If you wanted an account on my card file (in order to add your own comments) then please notify me. < 1451382629 907054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have the program "htdigest" on your computer then you can make the hash code needed to send a comment on my custom card file, by the command "htdigest -c /dev/stdout CustomMTG_zzo38" and then your username. (Otherwise, you can figure out your own way to do the calculation I mentioned.) < 1451382647 824453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Send the result to me by private message.) < 1451382722 826833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read of different kind of arguments that the universe is or is not infinite, although I have also thought of one (but am not sure about its validity). < 1451382737 50757 :atslash!~atslash@94.127.221.13 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1451382782 383084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like too much work to me. < 1451382790 593387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use a typical account registration system? < 1451382795 232358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not require accounts to be registered? < 1451382808 829956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In order to avoid spam messages < 1451382824 371716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you gotten spam messages? < 1451382849 842354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have before, in a different webpage that did not require registration < 1451382894 442941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly though a JavaScript program can also be written to perform the calculation and then you can tell me the response of that instead; there can be more than one program to do. < 1451382945 587008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are trying to move yourself forward, it takes some amount of energy; to move everything else in the universe backward by the same amount instead would require more energy, but the infinite sum might result in a finite total. < 1451382958 130002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably this is all wrong.) < 1451383030 991093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I am sure it is, but nevertheless it is what I thought of one day) < 1451383140 799110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know that b_jonas has made that calculation already, and hopefully you have the software to do too, isn't it? < 1451383153 759085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do, but it seems like too much trouble. < 1451383160 997367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't had a great need to comment. I can use IRC. < 1451383279 757591 :atslash!~atslash@94.127.221.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451383299 569070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found other way to require the registration to often be complicated so I do this way instead; this way I can process the registration by myself and don't need to worry about spam registration account either, since they will not be registration generally (and if it is, I can delete it anyways). < 1451383344 90847 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1451383478 580134 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we put comment in there then even other people can make the reply of comment too in the same file. < 1451383901 685300 :atslash!~atslash@94.127.221.13 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1451384143 419072 :atslash!~atslash@94.127.221.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451384995 761146 :^v^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1451386733 668075 :atslash!~atslash@94.127.221.13 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1451386813 824185 :atslash!~atslash@94.127.221.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1451388619 226613 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:LegionMammal978/Interpreters/Kangaroo14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46024 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+1868) 10Created page with "
 using System; using System.Collections.Generic; using System.IO; using System.Text.RegularExpressions;  /* Error codes:  * 0 - success  * 1 - non-existant source file  *..."
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< 1451392306 865690 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451392322 786684 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghoul/Ghouls are undead that eat BRAINS. So basically, bog standard undead like zombies or wights, but with some fancy back story in the book that nobody reads.
< 1451392327 129040 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451392328 604794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeeeeeeesh/See yeeeeeeesh.
< 1451392332 302671 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451392333 677089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for further details for futher details./See `? for further details for futher details.
< 1451392342 249662 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yeeeeeeesh.
< 1451392343 281327 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeeeeeesh.? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451392344 616966 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yeeeeeeesh
< 1451392345 749875 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See yeeeeeesh.
< 1451392349 545562 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yeeeeeesh
< 1451392351 161934 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See yeeeeesh.
< 1451392354 187456 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yeeeeesh
< 1451392355 172124 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See yeeeesh.
< 1451392357 712763 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yeeeesh
< 1451392358 607308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See yeeesh.
< 1451392360 801851 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yeeesh
< 1451392361 882824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See yeesh.
< 1451392363 845788 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yeesh
< 1451392364 734742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeesh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451392387 712461 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451392389 455750 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi/vi is in a relationship with emacs.
< 1451392389 814788 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? parenthesis
< 1451392390 837525 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parenthesis? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451392398 778133 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bracket
< 1451392400 5165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bracket? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451392564 777174 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451392566 376232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :password/The password of the month is 'PlayItSweetly,TakeMeDown,Oh,Jazzman'
< 1451392612 259212 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/password
< 1451392615 500775 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman oerjan oerjan oerjan mroman_
< 1451392643 407288 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow doubt that it is actually updated monthly
< 1451392699 220978 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? correcthorsebatterystaple
< 1451392700 266510 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correcthorsebatterystaple? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451392711 200946 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Tr0ub4dor&3
< 1451392712 334606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tr0ub4dor&3? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451392851 490531 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e
< 1451392853 698794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451392887 469408 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 5f4dcc3b5aa765d61d8327deb882cf99
< 1451392888 558725 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5f4dcc3b5aa765d61d8327deb882cf99? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451393563 745265 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ABCD14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46025&oldid=44545 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (-2) 10
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< 1451395001 65215 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Jelly14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46026&oldid=46023 5* 0378.52.164.106 5* (+25) 10
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< 1451400049 78409 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
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< 1451411956 953338 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1451411957 602963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 291745Z 06016G24KT 1 1/4SM R06/5000FT/U -SN DRSN VV011 M10/M13 A3032 RMK SN8 SLP277
< 1451411967 138679 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRSN indeed.
< 1451412004 354790 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ
< 1451412004 836184 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 291741Z 05006KT 5SM -DZ BR OVC006 03/02 A2980 RMK ST8 SLP100
< 1451412833 332539 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46027&oldid=45965 5* 0370.190.166.108 5* (+782) 10add Barely, Hanoi Love, Linguine, Numberix, Spaghetti
< 1451412942 13148 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46028&oldid=38057 5* 03B jonas 5* (+198) 10
< 1451413958 703861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1451413959 359496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 291820Z AUTO 19012KT 150V230 9999 FEW022 10/07 Q1021
< 1451413975 119227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it'll start getting colder now.
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< 1451414198 4280 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESSA
< 1451414198 417135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 291820Z 12005KT 9999 SCT029 M04/M06 Q1042 R01L/410165 R08/410156 R01R/410163 NOSIG
< 1451414215 436309 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESSB
< 1451414216 57582 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSB 291820Z 13003KT 9999 SCT034 M06/M06 Q1042 R12/19//63
< 1451414293 989612 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1451414298 955051 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESCN
< 1451414299 592587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1451414302 653186 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1451414370 172367 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber
< 1451414385 664198 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451414388 60882 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the/the Toe of Harriness's Enclosure
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< 1451418928 997464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn gander
< 1451418930 549657 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "gander" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1451418930 708421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :gander
< 1451418930 708493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: mature male goose
< 1451418937 953406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's the only sense of the word, where does "take a gander" come from? 
< 1451418946 528821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1451418951 461970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow skipped over a row.
< 1451418956 478540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"First recorded in 1887, based on craning the neck like a goose."
< 1451419254 270924 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Object-Oriented Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46029&oldid=44541 5* 0378.52.164.106 5* (+9) 10three months, no edit, two sentences, stub
< 1451419977 406619 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:d579:8b85:6bfb:4f9c JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1451420028 33626 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I do Church Numerals in SK?
< 1451420060 826642 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more generally, how do I simply convert between λ-calculus and SK?
< 1451420097 431951 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's an article on the wiki that says how
< 1451420202 506541 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/S_and_K_Turing-completeness_proof
< 1451420244 404827 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a proof by conversion from λ calculus to ski logic
< 1451420387 692399 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which works by having expressions which are half λ and half ski, and applyin rules until there's noting left but ski. 
< 1451420467 879511 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so really it's a proof that any expression composed of λ and sk, including expressions that are entirely sk, can be converted to entirely λ
< 1451420476 374863 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or entirely sk
< 1451420498 351263 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hink we've ;earned somthing today
< 1451420739 118195 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: see also the Mockingbird book, as well as http://www.madore.org/~david/programs/unlambda/
< 1451420772 624693 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Right, should have thought to check there given that I already have that tab open xD
< 1451420836 486568 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07S and K Turing-completeness proof14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46030&oldid=35768 5* 03B jonas 5* (+159) 10
< 1451421668 527644 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my new zipper headphones1
< 1451421977 422975 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. what are zipper headphones?
< 1451422205 209651 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :headphones that have a zipper between the two wires leading to your ears
< 1451422281 774149 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1451422342 686951 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got two sets for a dollar each
< 1451422493 455108 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reasonable price.
< 1451422495 780176 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1451422496 196673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 292039Z 07022G29KT 3/4SM R06/4000VP6000FT/D -SN BLSN BKN006 OVC015 M10/M12 A3027 RMK SN6SF1SC1 /S02/ SLP258
< 1451422557 18028 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Sounds like a rather neat idea, why have I never seen that before?
< 1451422564 956821 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :headphones with zippers, I mean
< 1451422651 721080 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451422687 146506 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FirelloFly.
< 1451422725 155787 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen them a few times, but they don't seem to be very popular here. nearly everybody with something around their ears is on a pair of Beats or Sony.
< 1451422808 787000 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1451422916 16873 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo!
< 1451422951 781326 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out how to implement OR in combinatory logic, given the standard constructions of T and F as T=K, F=K(SKK)
< 1451422969 508500 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is obviously not a huge achievement but it made me happy!
< 1451422995 682849 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did have to find a combinator that did something I needed, specifically one of the form `?abc  = bca`)
< 1451423036 494330 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. have you explored the B, C and W combinators?
< 1451423053 976074 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily
< 1451423086 265770 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Helge Von Koch 5*  10New user account
< 1451423090 566558 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see quite a few porta pro's here
< 1451423097 223215 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, that's not in-ear
< 1451423105 262441 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like in-ear headphones myself though
< 1451423116 214275 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, I already have those. Or do you mean explored them alone?
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< 1451423141 114377 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My solcution was actually C [R True], where R is the aforementioned combinator I needed
< 1451423199 161649 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And True is, of course, K (I named it True instead of T because there was a T combinator needed to implement R)
< 1451423213 890479 :hppavilion[1]!ceae003a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.0.58 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One which doesn't equal True)
< 1451423304 82530 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I was a in-ear user while I was in school (small, portative), but they are far from being confortable. and they snag on everything. and during winter they conduct painful ESDs to your sensitive earlobes.
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< 1451423341 974359 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw one of them cat-ear headphones recently when commuting
< 1451423380 830222 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's more a novelty thing I guess
< 1451423603 46283 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for a pair of undisintegrating headphones, without any bluetooth, usb, gimmicks, mikes, buttons...
< 1451423626 504145 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :something well-built, comfy, and with a good frequency profile.
< 1451423634 192902 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, under 200$.
< 1451423912 841841 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zipper headphones are pretty damn strudy
< 1451423934 966528 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ru/ur/g
< 1451424269 618939 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1451424299 206730 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451424565 366244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know if you want big or small, open or closed, but I've been quite happy with my Sennheiser HD 558's.
< 1451424596 95534 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1451424617 999975 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: sturdy
< 1451424650 970694 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what headphones?
< 1451424659 272265 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451424659 431477 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do speak sed
< 1451424692 101876 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zipper headphones
< 1451424709 723105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly I haven't had these for terribly long, so I can't be entirely sure whether they'll start disintegrating. Also I didn't read any of the previous discussion; I don't think these would be very good for portabilizing around.
< 1451424711 819155 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh
< 1451424740 822769 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=zipper+headphones
< 1451424758 624829 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought them for a dollar
< 1451424766 436458 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :free shipping
< 1451424832 638276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen zipper headphones live, but there was a mention of the concept as a novel idea somewhere.
< 1451425016 595436 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in china you can get things prototyped in like a week from what I hear
< 1451425137 870735 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone in shenzhen might have heard about it and gone "I know who to call to get that made."
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< 1451425184 943175 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451425186 327878 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliot/Eliot inverted cats, then Taneb stole his inversion.
< 1451425188 244201 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? necronomicon
< 1451425189 207427 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :necronomicon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451425221 51754 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if I have an idea, it would be easier to mass-email chinese manufacutrers it, then buy it on ebay, than to start a company.
< 1451425233 931560 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomnomnomicron
< 1451425262 501651 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to see if that works some time
< 1451425316 996686 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fizziello. on the smaller end, closed.
< 1451425361 734061 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mynamello: https://nomnomnomicon.wordpress.com/ ?
< 1451425444 278363 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1451425580 856876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I used to have HD 280 Pro's from the same company (not so small, but closed), but the headband padding started to go all bad after a scant decade.
< 1451425699 294078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I got a pair of Sony "Pro" (it's always about pro) MDR7506 headphones for work (closed since I thought it'd be a noisier place), and they've been fine so far.
< 1451425756 131474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "Professional" on a sticker right there on the headphones, and the box has a schematic diagram on it, that's how you know it's a serious tool instead of a frivolous toy.
< 1451425766 645567 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a pair of MDR-V55 at work. cheap, useful, and solid.
< 1451425813 271092 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any products out there that are recursively professional? like proprofessional?
< 1451426607 374972 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, I'd look for something that's called professional but not considered professional enough.
< 1451426624 759965 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since then there'd be demand for an extra professional version.
< 1451426678 708354 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there are people who proffesionally train professionalism.
< 1451426731 618488 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also considered having things I want made by Chinese manufacturers, but I think they might not go for just any idea.
< 1451426774 942569 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if it's not already getting sold lucratively, then how do they know it's worth copying?
< 1451426789 971024 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried though, so maybe they'd give it a shot if it looks cool.
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< 1451427489 984636 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 NICK :tswett
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< 1451428168 626199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's already a term for "professional but not quite professional": those are "prosumer" things.
< 1451428849 217747 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought of another one of those stupid Magic card ideas.
< 1451428887 897648 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Block Out. 2U. Enchantment - Aura. Enchant spell. If enchanted spell would resolve, exile it instead.
< 1451428897 271058 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...It should have flash, too.
< 1451428932 909024 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: isn't that generally worse than a Cancel?
< 1451428936 60789 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait
< 1451428937 563875 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 2U?
< 1451428941 222637 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1451428941 813717 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's undercosted
< 1451428955 16492 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can counter any spell, it's only slightly weaker than Cancel
< 1451428966 367086 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should cost the same
< 1451428973 337978 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or more, but then it's useless)
< 1451428973 804079 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you're probably right.
< 1451428994 627721 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe add some restriction to it, then you can cost it lower. there's a lot of restricted counterspells out there.
< 1451429047 70494 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thoughtbind for example
< 1451429063 230980 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need severe restrictions to make it 2U
< 1451429073 331164 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the counterspells for {1U} are more restricted, obviously
< 1451429132 800432 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magnet. 2UU. Enchantment - Aura. Enchant Aura enchantment. When Magnet enters the battlefield, attach enchanted enchantment to Magnet. Enchanted enchantment has "Enchant enchantment named 'Magnet'" and loses all other enchant abilities.
< 1451429225 622894 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I don't think that would work as worded.
< 1451429233 403347 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of soft-counters that counter a spell unless the opponent pays some amount of generic mana, with some advantage, for 2U
< 1451429306 64295 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you play Magnet on an enchantment, that enchantment will become unable to enchant whatever it's enchanting (unless it's enchanting a Magnet) and go to the graveyard as a state-based action.
< 1451429315 266340 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46031&oldid=45914 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+110) 10/* Language specification and compiler */
< 1451429361 161967 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46032&oldid=46031 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+2) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */
< 1451429387 456387 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46033&oldid=46032 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (-1) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */
< 1451429422 953926 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are several problems, actually.
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< 1451429525 541655 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magnet. 2UU. Enchantment - Aura. Enchant Aura enchantment. Enchanted enchantment has "Enchant object or player" and loses all other enchant abilities. When Magnet enters the battlefield, attach enchanted enchantment to Magnet, and that enchantment loses "Enchant object or player" and gains "Enchant enchantment named 'Magnet'".
< 1451429573 370038 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't forget...
< 1451429599 573191 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: does this really need two steps of changing the ability? why wouldn't you just change the ability first, then attach. 
< 1451429632 554764 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm... good point. Revision three.
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< 1451429633 821471 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: mind you, I think even that could have problems, toying with enchant abilities is dangerous, but I don't see why you need the extra step.
< 1451429644 560141 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, drop the apostrophes
< 1451429660 167142 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG uses quotation marks around abilities, but not around names
< 1451429665 334382 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magnet. 2UU. Enchantment - Aura. Enchant Aura enchantment. When Magnet enters the battlefield, attach enchanted enchantment to Magnet, and that enchantment gains "Enchant enchantment named Magnet" and loses all other enchant abilities.
< 1451429699 732095 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: shouldn't that be in the opposite order?
< 1451429707 78812 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, first change the ability, then attach
< 1451429717 824414 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, lemme see.
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< 1451429734 4616 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1451429735 725278 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1451429741 139019 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they have to be simultanous
< 1451429753 493283 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe you do need the two steps or simultanouity
< 1451429754 935146 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno
< 1451429763 290727 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you were right the first time.
< 1451429765 381446 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't dare to do something like this
< 1451429767 474626 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First change the ability, then attach.
< 1451429771 689082 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1451429793 368029 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not possible to attach an Aura to an illegal target, but it's possible for an Aura to *be* attached to an illegal target.
< 1451429805 862270 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just dies as a state-based action.
< 1451429831 785461 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm not sure it's possible. isn't there a "can't" somewhere, so it can't even stay attached, but dies only later/
< 1451429882 162354 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my bigger problem isn't how it stays attached. It's that the enchantment might have an ability that normally refers to an object in another zone or a player or something else, and now will try to refer to a permanent. 
< 1451429885 274267 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1451429886 277818 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might end badly.
< 1451429929 818951 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like no, there's nothing prohibiting an Aura from momentarily enchanting an illegal target.
< 1451429956 905419 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text of Animate Dead has it momentarily enchanting an illegal target.
< 1451429977 644058 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you turned the enchantment to a copy of something, so it definitely doesn't have any abilities remaining, then it would be fine, but that's usually a bit of an overkill compared to just exiling it.
< 1451429980 292067 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it enters the battlefield, it changes its own enchant ability and then changes what it's attached to.
< 1451430000 971528 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Animate Dead... ouch. 
< 1451430011 167375 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the card with the longest oracle text these days
< 1451430015 909827 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not
< 1451430018 290656 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but among the longest
< 1451430036 73529 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some double-faced planeswalkers have more text
< 1451430048 391172 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh boy, now I want to find the card with the longest Oracle text.
< 1451430055 392297 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, you're probably right
< 1451430072 390475 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, I don't like this card even if it does usually stay attached.
< 1451430118 592281 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451430149 686101 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Variable Colorless, Tap: Put a charge counter on Ice Cauldron and exile a nonland card from your hand. You may cast that card for as long as it remains exiled. Note the type and amount of mana spent to pay this activation cost. Activate this ability only if there are no charge counters on Ice Cauldron.
< 1451430149 845269 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tap, Remove a charge counter from Ice Cauldron: Add Ice Cauldron's last noted type and amount of mana to your mana pool. Spend this mana only to cast the last card exiled with Ice Cauldron."
< 1451430216 877689 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, that's among the longest too. but I think you mangled its text.
< 1451430234 918511 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably mean "{X}, {T}:" instead of "Variable Colorless, Tap:"
< 1451430238 578621 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah.
< 1451430240 295454 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's slightly less long
< 1451430354 313171 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh has lots of oracle text if you count it together with the flip side
< 1451430360 865091 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Properly, they should be the Unicode characters U+24CD VARIABLE COLORLESS and U+27F3 TAP.
< 1451430404 427247 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1451430484 103553 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other double-sided planeswalkers are long too (Kytheon, Hero of Akros; Jace, Vryn's Prodigy; Liliana, Heretical Healer; Nissa, Vastwood Seer)
< 1451430490 206499 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which one is the longest
< 1451430515 12903 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's Greater Morphling of course
< 1451431131 426473 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your Hacker Name: The color of shirt you're wearing right now, concatenated with your email password
< 1451431143 102733 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NoneWalrusesAreAmazing
< 1451431164 817124 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, that's not my REAL email password. I'm not THAT incredibly stupid)
< 1451431208 268792 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlackWalrusesAreAmazingToo
< 1451431370 15878 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WhiteIThinkThereAreAlbinoWalruses
< 1451431624 762809 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlackWalrusLivesMatter
< 1451431674 454633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1451431795 329497 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :blackcharmander
< 1451431830 732367 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well charmander was my email password during public school
< 1451431846 380033 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's not a pokemon anymore
< 1451431857 482366 :haavard!freebsd@haavard.me PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, my name is Yellow *******
< 1451432019 182620 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does my email adress end in @watson.math.yorku.ca anymore
< 1451432138 360897 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a digimon now?
< 1451432164 912628 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: you had a watson after the @?
< 1451432165 71564 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was garumon for a few weeks then i changed it back
< 1451432170 620111 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1451432174 629289 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat.
< 1451432192 598828 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an address on my dad's server, which still exists.
< 1451432209 358207 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the address also still exists
< 1451432377 667253 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451432379 974615 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I'm pretty sure Charmander is still a pokemon
< 1451432413 755009 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1451432468 385306 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: O KAY
< 1451432493 787683 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLOKAYRJAN.
< 1451432500 849215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what?
< 1451432507 618508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that
< 1451432513 992666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of like an onion
< 1451432518 95772 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 151 pokémons. Charmander is one of them.
< 1451432586 922635 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BELLRIGHTILY
< 1451432689 636885 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1451433649 536274 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm increasingly skeptical quantum computers will ever come to fruition <-- i'm optimistic, because i read shtetl-optimized hth
< 1451433698 366277 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with the possible option of "will hit some unknown physical obstacle which will _itself_ revolutionize science"
< 1451433764 666013 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes diginet is 17 hours idle but finds @tell excessive.
< 1451433856 370074 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, he said more
< 1451434058 193181 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell diginet  mostly because one hasn't appeared yet <-- note that the really good theory for quantum computers requires reaching a reliability threshold before you can use error correction at _all_, and experiments have only _just_ started getting past that point.
< 1451434058 637771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1451435106 939919 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 = λs.0, 0 = λs.I, I = λx.x <-- i have a hunch that representation will be hard to use, especially if the numbers are unbounded
< 1451435135 636929 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I got it wrong, actually
< 1451435150 772017 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not church numerals, at least
< 1451435160 904919 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be 1 = λs.s0, should it not?
< 1451435173 166269 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but church numerals are probably not the only possible representation.
< 1451435188 169253 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1451435214 455635 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean n+1 = λs.sn ?
< 1451435215 208994 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Of course; I read an article the other day where someone defined numbers as lists of T=
< 1451435215 452665 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :λxy.x an F=λxy.y
< 1451435221 121767 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Pretty much
< 1451435230 114304 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 0=λs.sI
< 1451435253 683217 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically used church numerals in general but wrote the initial definition wrong
< 1451435273 655033 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that's not what i call church numerals either
< 1451435321 249625 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Basically, I'm trying to say church numerals but I forgot how they work
< 1451435334 389664 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They used the binary list notation because they were going for the Lambda Calcular equivalent of adding on a TM
< 1451435364 954921 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :n = λfx.f(f(f(...(f(x))))) hth
< 1451435395 644679 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because λ-calculus's normal church numeral representation is horribly inefficient, and the Church-Turing Thesis or whatever says that all TC systems can do problems at the same rate or something like that
< 1451435396 575388 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :n+1 = λfx.f(nfx)
< 1451435430 139597 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if it can be done in Polynomial time on a TM, then it can be done in Polynomial Time in any equivalent system, including things like Minsky Machines and, of course, the λ-calculus
< 1451435441 759207 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: that's simply wrong.
< 1451435451 77494 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :minsky machines have exponential slowdown.
< 1451435459 293935 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There's some theorem that says what I'm trying to get at
< 1451435473 340301 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check the article
< 1451435604 309119 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, it's that anything that can be efficiently calculated can be efficiently calculated on a TM, or equivalently in λ-calculus. That's the strong Church-Turing Thesis
< 1451435625 600935 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "efficiently" is "in polynomial time"
< 1451435639 252975 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.
< 1451435650 281462 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a demonstration, he implemented a more efficient version of addition in λ-calculus
< 1451435655 276438 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum computers are theorized to violate that btw
< 1451435656 635597 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://useless-factor.blogspot.com/2007/04/thoughts-on-church-numerals.html
< 1451435664 427050 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: REALLY!?
< 1451435667 340605 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME!
< 1451435707 490122 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was about to say that I secretly hope that the Church-Turing Thesis is completely wrong, to the point of there being infinitely many machines more powerful than a TM, and preferably not following some predefined pattern)
< 1451435711 702004 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because they can do e.g. factorization in polynomial time, which is theorized not to be possible in polynomial time with a TM
< 1451435720 924748 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wow.
< 1451435744 739718 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i've heard that called the Extended Church-Turing Thesis over at scott aaronson's blog.
< 1451435744 999527 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that, like, the church-quantum-turing thesis or something? Is there some metaquantum computer with a similar increase? xD
< 1451435789 279760 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Of course, quantum computers aren't "real" CS because they rely on the universe being shittily designed and a buggy piece of crap
< 1451435792 581737 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1451435805 867885 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the revised thesis would be that a quantum computer is optimal, since it is believed to be able to simulate any physical system.
< 1451435850 858222 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is there such thing as a Stringy Computer that relies on String Theory? xD
< 1451435851 591986 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like it would really help weather forecasters.
< 1451435862 432249 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: As long as they enter ALL of the decimal places
< 1451435871 133568 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this universe is too fast, it must be buggy" O KAY
< 1451435887 457257 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Pretty much
< 1451435901 337941 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's scrap it and start over. Bring me some more energy, will you?"
< 1451435915 85296 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were a god, I would create a universe in which all problems are solvable in n***n time
< 1451435919 201318 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*** is tetration)
< 1451435923 477609 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[2]: i dunno, although there's some theory about closed timelike loops from general relativity, if they existed might allow even greater efficiency.
< 1451435943 916523 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically, time traveling computation)
< 1451435949 131907 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not be a kind god to my universe's programmers.
< 1451435970 591039 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: My god. I've been meaning to write a Wiki article on chronos.py, the Python library for time travel
< 1451435996 29871 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The same thing could be said about using Narnia for computation
< 1451436123 561793 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well narnia's relative speed was somewhat unpredictable.  i recall there was a point in The Last Battle where it was actually slower than Earth.
< 1451436140 921999 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1451436177 567316 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Should I base Chronos on the wormhole-based timetravel? The one where you need to have a wormhole setup first to travel back through it?
< 1451436246 865890 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERM
< 1451436251 458068 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU WANT
< 1451436293 85725 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nice way of solving the paradox of why we haven't noticed any time travelers yet.
< 1451436321 591711 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's also the most likely solution I know of for time travel
< 1451436362 11496 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1451436376 393042 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets an urge to link to the relevant tvtropes page
< 1451436418 39441 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do so
< 1451436435 477635 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid tvtropes has got popup ads
< 1451436448 242029 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurTimeTravelIsDifferent
< 1451436541 370955 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is Chronos?
< 1451436698 113300 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: The word or what I'm talking about
< 1451436740 490918 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your.. work
< 1451436860 867854 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451438321 372964 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric will like this: http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/67949/3852
< 1451438351 478504 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've talked about "brainfuck programs whose output is longer than their code" in here before!
< 1451438459 908090 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time, you have to print an integer matching /[1-9][0-9]*/, longer than your code, and minimize that integer. i don't think the code given there is minimal
< 1451438603 267207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then link to All The Tropes wiki which has no popup ads, or disable popup ads, or preferably both.
< 1451438654 319194 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory my browser has disabled popups.  however these get through somehow.
< 1451438687 317121 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it may only disable actual new windows...
< 1451438870 141614 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1451438946 34977 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what popup ads?
< 1451439006 278485 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm
< 1451439030 701966 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: WALRUS MAAAAAAAAAAAAN
< 1451439042 121636 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on lemme try chrome
< 1451439056 889393 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451439099 281060 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bracket
< 1451439100 648758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bracket? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451439123 262107 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn bracket/bracket? ¯\[°​_o]/¯
< 1451439126 612686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «bracket»
< 1451439265 614734 :dcentral!~IGLC@2601:681:500:165a:d579:8b85:6bfb:4f9c QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1451439415 249947 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: tricky task
< 1451439434 732427 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451439603 66350 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1451439659 623414 :jaboja64!~jaboja@esg214.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451440111 355960 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1451440112 477308 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOooh
< 1451440113 753936 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOH
< 1451440125 242308 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had an idea for the Tower Defence game I'm making
< 1451440130 549663 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sort of pseudo-time travel
< 1451440135 465554 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the form of missions
< 1451440232 537974 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If random temporal anomalies are enabled, sometimes a tower is sent back in time for you in a crisis. It fights for you, then it dies from Temporal Exhaustion. You have the mission to get an identical tower by a certain point in time and send it back, or the universe is unraveled by the paradox and you lose the game.
< 1451440803 151483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
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< 1451440967 389 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: But... why does it die from Temporal Exhaustion? Why can't I have a tower appear from the future, and then send the very same tower back (after some repairs, of course)...
< 1451441013 330495 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Because that wouldn't be as much of a pain in the ass
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< 1451442496 546781 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Well, towers could lose things over time, or get damaged, or something. And have to be fixed.
< 1451442655 455308 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Ooooh
< 1451442658 743832 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keep that in mind
< 1451442689 746025 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing I have coded so far is rendering and about a fifth of a bullet
< 1451442699 808784 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the bullet is more of a test than a final game thing
< 1451442736 851939 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see a "Humorous Standardization" StackExchange
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< 1451442754 918606 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, you're given a task to efficiently implement a protocol for, and you do it.
< 1451443236 211481 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: What do you think of that idea?
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< 1451443892 677019 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/93958/strange-standardization?referrer=ZiABwUx2idavPb19oRj8Gw2
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< 1451444042 665219 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynastic Title Transfer Protocol?
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< 1451446650 391485 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4456438/how-do-i-correctly-pass-the-string-null-an-employees-proper-surname-to-a-so  dis
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< 1451448262 370977 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] who isn't here: Isn't that called RFC? :P
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< 1451448744 399568 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: zgrellop. you should @ask hppavilion[1].
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< 1451455947 487408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a technical support service, you should also install a DTMF decoder that can display the number so that it can be use even in case some caller tries to push the numbers into the telephone.
< 1451456412 978103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a computer program to emulate a fax modem so that you can send the fax by connecting the audio connection to the telephone directly?
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< 1451456967 33687 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know of such a program, but that would be useful to many people who have to deal with fax-using fogeys
< 1451456987 119565 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if it was an android app
< 1451457035 957437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For doing portable faxes yes, although I mean one that can be used even without Android-based system even just use a C program
< 1451457506 753983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to be able to send a fax in case you do not have a fax modem.
< 1451457842 222944 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know of one either.
< 1451458157 133495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In many hotels the telephone has a data port so that you can connect your own equipment, possibly including fax; I have even seen one hotel room that has a telephone line on the wall that specifically says "fax". But if it can be done by computer software and if they will tell you which is the internal telephone number by computer fax then maybe you do not have to pay extra for an external call.
< 1451460605 626534 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: 	I want to see a "Humorous Standardization" StackExchange <-- Isn't that simply an RFC? :P
< 1451460626 173437 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/RFC/IETF RFC/
< 1451460629 835582 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: Yes, but this one allows people to make their own
< 1451460638 346060 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. :P
< 1451460640 576797 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgrep: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/93958/strange-standardization-and-domain-specific-languages
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< 1451475140 812375 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? disney
< 1451475143 249278 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mickey mouse
< 1451475146 581687 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451475151 967894 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trick/A trick learnt is a trick half forgotten.
< 1451475152 165479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mickey mouse? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451475152 324904 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disney? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451475217 19135 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :filo?
< 1451475845 695594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not explicitly so.
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< 1451476612 434118 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -esleep$_,warn$_ for 10
< 1451476614 292701 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -esleep$_,warn$_ for 2
< 1451476619 692206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 at -e line 1.
< 1451476623 263653 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 at -e line 1.
< 1451476629 217962 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -esleep$_,warn$_ for 2
< 1451476630 203214 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -esleep$_,warn$_ for 10
< 1451476632 554738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 at -e line 1.
< 1451476641 181672 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 at -e line 1.
< 1451476675 106387 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just executing multiple commands in parallel, and printing whichever finishes first. I don't know how the file writes work though. 
< 1451477383 23201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's complicated.
< 1451477393 558728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Involving running the same thing twice.
< 1451477464 183155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting the details too, but there are some corner cases you can hit that produce unexpected results.
< 1451477530 446422 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that jevalbot doesn't handle this properly: if you run two statements at the same time, then the changes in the environment by the one that ends first are completely lost, even if the command that ends second doesn't change anything,
< 1451477553 574432 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bot gives no easy way to lock or anything.
< 1451477577 323306 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just have to be careful not to run other statements while state-changing statements are running. 
< 1451477599 728256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo's things act on separate repository checkouts, so they don't trample over each other.
< 1451477604 353381 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a rarely used command to run a statement without state, but that doesn't even _read_ the state, not only doesn't write it.
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< 1451477659 907159 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever rewrite jeval, I'll have to change this system to something saner, possibly simply to waiting till the previous command on the session finishes.
< 1451477675 895066 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not very likely that I'll rewrite it.
< 1451477697 513902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I seem to recall HackEgo also does a global lock when it's doing the second run that actually does the changes that get committed, so that the changes themselves are serialized.
< 1451478262 93336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, verified. The transaction logic is approximately: Do a shared lock, run the command in a fresh checkout, get the output. If the checkout is not dirty, write the output and finish. Otherwise, obtain an exclusive lock, clean and update the checkout, run the same command again and commit the changes it made. Write out the output from the second run.
< 1451478293 489712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "write the output" means saying it out loud on the channel.
< 1451478582 516775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "run the command" means spawning a new UML sandbox. Since the only persistent state is the version control checkout, and that's cleaned + updated before running the command a second time, it's normally not really visible that things that modify the persistent files get executed twice. But there were some special cases where you could tell.
< 1451479880 780878 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see
< 1451479913 906024 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451479916 159916 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :herbalist/An herbalist is a list of herbas.
< 1451479923 546730 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451479925 15117 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematimu/A mathematimu is a quantum of mathematics. If you observe it, its codepoint can change.
< 1451479964 783484 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451479966 135630 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocean/The Pacific Ocean is half the world and surrounded by fire. The Atlantic Ocean is less cool than its giant underwater mountain range. The Arctic Ocean is cold. The Indian Ocean is full of typhoons and non-Eurocentric shipping.
< 1451480027 483228 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451480028 891060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd/ngevd is a fake wisdom entry because having an actual infinite file in wisdom/ makes all manner of stuff bloody awkward. `? ngevd is special-cased in bin/?. leave this file alone Phantom_Hoover‼ also t​swett‼
< 1451480049 849887 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451480051 898412 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :caps lock/CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR TIRED OLD MEMES
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< 1451480407 549528 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flying
< 1451480408 859795 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flying? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451480410 4875 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? flying car
< 1451480411 358471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flying car? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451480414 438853 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? future
< 1451480416 95798 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We know nothing about the future.
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< 1451493705 362928 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1451493705 568603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 301614Z 06011KT 1 1/2SM -FZDZ -SG BR BKN008 OVC013 M08/M09 A3030 RMK SF5SC3 VIS VRB 1-2 SLP268
< 1451493720 939948 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :-SG?
< 1451493820 175999 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snow Grains ← http://meteocentre.com/doc/metar.html (WMO Code Table 4678)
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< 1451494547 525521 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESSB
< 1451494547 943088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSB 301650Z 16009KT CAVOK 01/M02 Q1033 R12/19//74
< 1451494569 367172 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FirelloFly.
< 1451494598 279856 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad that the really nearby airstrip closed 2006
< 1451494620 406442 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be ESCN
< 1451494682 335867 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESCN
< 1451494682 646380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1451494690 2361 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no results anymore...
< 1451494714 359294 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be neat to have a voronoi diagram of the earth's surface, split by ICAO codes.
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< 1451506606 212772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Icezen 5*  10New user account
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< 1451511754 299165 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451511767 198241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pie/I like pie \ I like pie
< 1451511777 76738 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too!
< 1451512513 771920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it there twice, though? 
< 1451512532 231410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What are your opinions regarding pies? 
< 1451512532 390551 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but humans can understand the reasoning behind the fnord. on fnord, i think
< 1451512577 939517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1451512949 975400 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't know if they serve pies with fnord
< 1451512950 204280 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: of course it wouldn't help in this case, more than anybody on d) ( lambda ( elt) ( display
< 1451513690 757515 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1451513779 702954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! The diplomat delivering $2.5 million USD to me is stranded "at Airport".
< 1451513825 139056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I assume this is the first you've heard of the diplomat in question?
< 1451513831 954943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there's a settlement named Airport
< 1451513903 14574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Also it's a very ambiguous message genderwise.
< 1451513926 285829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your gender, the diplomat's, or the sender's?
< 1451513935 633110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The diplomat's.
< 1451513937 16196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Send your address and phone number to him today and assist hER when She contacts you for more direction. His name is paul william, he arrived at your Airport yesterday with your package and She will need to proceed to your address immediately after her first delivery --"
< 1451513959 469986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe they're talking about two different people.
< 1451514008 890857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of an infamous line from megaman battle network 4
< 1451514020 637038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the exact wording but it was something like "what a polite young man she was!"
< 1451514030 318728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't remember the gender of the person it referred to, either)
< 1451514136 18236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can also call Richard Bruno, who is a director. They don't mention why I should, just that I can.
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< 1451515475 535481 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tormaroe 5*  10New user account
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< 1451516704 456583 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :earenndil
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< 1451517373 556592 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsoily
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< 1451517810 381358 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœrjan.
< 1451517823 757360 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :people on our minecraft server are doing mysterious things.
< 1451517824 654365 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year
< 1451517840 585180 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jhellonas. already?!?!!!???11!!one!!?six???6??
< 1451517848 685906 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, in advance
< 1451517866 145007 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonne annéeas!
< 1451517872 319092 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I might not be here on the channel at the time the new year actually starts
< 1451517919 707064 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably not be there either. we're going to far away places to visit my grandma tomorrow and back.
< 1451517937 280788 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1451517982 752692 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYRJ
< 1451517982 938048 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... six?
< 1451517983 122875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYRJ 302322Z 27003KT 2SM -SN OVC012 M12/M14 A3013 RMK SN3SC5 SLP223
< 1451517987 938430 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? six
< 1451517989 391632 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 6
< 1451517991 829916 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ?
< 1451517997 328448 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451517997 524179 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? is wisdom
< 1451517997 682975 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :six? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451518000 452903 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Shift-6 produces ?.
< 1451518005 5885 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1451518025 13117 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that on shift-slash or shift-comma?
< 1451518030 32837 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1!, 2@, 3#, 4$, 5%, 6?, 7&, 8*, 9(, 0), -_, =+.
< 1451518046 22590 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift-/ is \.
< 1451518050 573196 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift-, is '.
< 1451518089 384502 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even make sense. that would require extra transistors.
< 1451518102 36272 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shift-slash because it's 16 over slash
< 1451518144 704240 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :/1234567890-=qwertyuiop^çàasdfghjkl;èzxcvbnm,.é
< 1451518165 823423 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\!@#$%?&*()_+QWERTYUIOP¨ÇÀASDFGHJKL:ÈZXCVBNM'"É
< 1451518176 419963 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you, ^ and ¨ are dead keys.)
< 1451518209 174756 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... is that some sort of saner french layout than the azerty one?
< 1451518250 447124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a Canadian layout?
< 1451518263 494325 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where's ù ?
< 1451518324 423667 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sane! it's one of the two French Canadian layouts.
< 1451518352 392397 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a dedicated ù on this keyboard (ANSI key layout). I have to hit AltGr-` then u.
< 1451518374 725775 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(œ is also missing, but I can understand that, nobody likes mayonaise)
< 1451518386 679778 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use us international altgr dead keys
< 1451518387 928957 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :œ is RightCtrl-Œ.
< 1451518407 157705 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1451518415 555189 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RightCtrl-what?
< 1451518416 795393 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right Control, then E.
< 1451518420 311399 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1451518429 684385 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ørjanletter is RightCtrl-o.
< 1451518429 880096 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy
< 1451518442 114756 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :óerjan
< 1451518444 140457 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy
< 1451518463 874293 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :táńéĺĺé.
< 1451518495 165682 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for comparison, here's the insane layout I use: http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/keymap
< 1451518543 179391 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ ← damn :(
< 1451518574 485452 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ambrus?
< 1451518576 565735 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just using UK QWERTY because I'm boring
< 1451518662 485532 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily?
< 1451518741 752037 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :T_T
< 1451518744 582267 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering whence the term "ambrus" come from.
< 1451518748 886461 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yup.
< 1451518776 223608 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: um, it's a name. it's related to some old Saint or something.
< 1451518786 89657 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more than one.
< 1451518812 113970 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451518814 832043 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't, like, invented by my parents, they just decided to call me that.
< 1451518830 181772 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know because there are older people called Ambrus than me.
< 1451518845 413605 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnily it's about half-and-half used as a family name and a given name.
< 1451518955 112699 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: So that means that ~25% of people with "ambrus" in their name are named Ambrus Ambrus?
< 1451518970 428084 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that
< 1451518972 71214 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no, I don't think so
< 1451518980 318326 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Statistically speaking
< 1451518986 227724 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1451519000 329273 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People often speak "statistically" but rarely "probabilistically"
< 1451519014 411151 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Where did I screw up on the math? I did it somewhere, I'm sure.
< 1451519028 952182 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that a frequent name, so no, and also half of the people with Ambrus as a family name are female and so can't have Ambrus as the given name
< 1451519032 139387 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], you assume that the two are independent
< 1451519033 222544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you assumed that half of all people have ambrus as a first name, and half of all peopel have ambrus as a surname
< 1451519036 209819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that the two are independent
< 1451519042 732449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first assumption is probably the larger one
< 1451519048 605292 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you are making many fallacies
< 1451519056 162358 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: even if they're independent it won't work
< 1451519062 258705 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean only people that have "ambrus" in their name
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< 1451519065 608901 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the first place
< 1451519066 900780 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, yes, I realise that now
< 1451519069 831786 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I observed a green apple, therefore by the Paradox of the Ravens all Hungarians are named Ambrus Ambrus.
< 1451519071 676986 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I did the math wrong, I'm sure of that
< 1451519103 236428 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should probably be (percentage of people with name "ambrus" in their name out of all people)**2 or something like that for the entire population
< 1451519104 270980 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I don't believe I've ever met a hungarian to my knowledge not called Ambrus Ambrus
< 1451519116 79783 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have a friend whose surname is Toth who traces her descent to Hungary
< 1451519128 243744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that doesn't make a difference though, if you're assuming independence (and if not the formula doesn't work anyway)
< 1451519132 617106 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I presume there at least used to be some Toths in Hungary
< 1451519135 356334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that you're only including people with at least one ambrus
< 1451519150 466428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the calculation is wrong anyway, it should have come to a result of ~33% due to overlap double-counting
< 1451519154 796287 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Which I was
< 1451519163 653285 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to get precise statistics because it's not among the most common names. It's probably among the first 1000 most common male given names, but definitely not among the first 100.
< 1451519164 968011 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, overlap
< 1451519172 533328 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I checked Shrodinger's box, therefor Walrus God
< 1451519183 912833 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, is Toth a heard-of Hungarian surname?
< 1451519191 115438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: assume 1% of people have ambrus as a first name and 1% have it as a surname, then with independence, 0.01% of people have it as both
< 1451519193 844183 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you put a Shrodinger box in another Schrodinger box?
< 1451519207 155298 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 50% chance that there's a 50% chance that the cat's still alive?
< 1451519213 436968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ropy14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46035 5* 03Tormaroe 5* (+6829) 10Created page with "'''Ropy''' is a stack-based, two-dimensional [[esoteric programming language]] invented in 2012 by Torbjørn Marø. In many ways it works the same as [[Befunge]], but with a d..."
< 1451519213 740010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that 1/199 of people with at least one ambrus have two
< 1451519217 180842 :jaboja!~jaboja@ery177.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451519237 844844 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, it's common, although it's usually spelled Tóth here, but many people outside of Hungary spell it Toth, including the guy whose homepage is http://www.vttoth.com/
< 1451519239 287535 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the inner Shrodinger box being turned on depends on the outer one activating
< 1451519250 429188 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Schrodingers all the way down
< 1451519305 42295 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], it's all linear algebra in the end
< 1451519329 81318 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: It's all combinatory logic underneath that
< 1451519329 811251 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, how is it pronounced?
< 1451519446 340507 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, except there's probably only on the order of magnitude of 1000 people called Ambrus, so the intersection would be less than 1 person, if it was independent. though given the stupid names parents give to their children, there's somewhat better odds that someone is or was actually called Ambrus Ambrus. 
< 1451519458 740591 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got WalText2i for my new WalrusOS working :)
< 1451519471 591935 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the argument parsing at least
< 1451519478 515041 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are definitely some people with the same given name as family name.
< 1451519515 994540 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also lots of people whose given name is otherwise a bad match for their family name, because the parents didn't think.
< 1451519539 703038 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Hugh Gerection.
< 1451519559 404964 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, Hugh spelled like that, not the correct way)
< 1451519602 608542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'm not sure there is a "proper way" with names
< 1451519608 946598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hugh" is one of the most common spellings of that name thouh
< 1451519610 482245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though
< 1451519613 240992 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ropy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46036&oldid=46035 5* 03Tormaroe 5* (+1138) 10/* How it works */
< 1451519625 185719 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There is, some people just ignore it because they're idiots
< 1451519657 410233 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily, my parents gave me a name that isn't so uncommon that it's stupid and that is actually spelled the proper way.
< 1451519669 621682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hppavilion"? :-)
< 1451519682 826716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that uncommon, and spelled correctly apart from possibly a missing space and capital P
< 1451519716 812785 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: xD
< 1451519780 470506 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of names that are also given names: Balázs, Lukács, László, Jakab, Sándor, Kelemen, Antal, Pál, Illés, Jónás, Máté, Gáspár, Orbán, Virág, Barna, Tamás, Péter, Márton are all on the table of the 100 most common family names, with Vincze as an honorary mention.
< 1451519786 962630 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For WalText2i, should I reset the env after each character, or should I leave it untouched so you can glean information about the previous character?
< 1451519794 884353 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy, I didn't realize there were that many common ones.
< 1451519820 493470 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a character definition ends with `end=x+yi`, so you can then work from `end` on the next character
< 1451519826 563693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm, some of those names have obvious equivalents with English names, others don't
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< 1451519841 384682 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god...
< 1451519844 961768 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The seventh chicken...
< 1451519850 485238 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, because like half of the common given names in Hungary are actually biblical names
< 1451519875 112545 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same is true in some English-speaking countries
< 1451519880 890260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with one interesting odd one out: "László", often misspelled or misaccented, is recognized as being Hungarian but reasonably recognizable as a name in English despite that)
< 1451519883 988626 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mária is the single most common given name in Hungary
< 1451519906 969772 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, it's recognizable because Lovász László (sr) is so famous
< 1451519923 220834 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, László is now apparently the most common given name in Hungary
< 1451519924 639292 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's strange
< 1451519930 234599 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's Schrodingers all the way down <-- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigner%27s_friend hth
< 1451519941 795284 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thoguht it was stil József, but nope, all the Józsefs got old and died apparently or something
< 1451519959 585716 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :name fashions change a lot
< 1451519995 219742 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's always some newly fashionable name that everyone gives to babies, which is rare among adults but quickly gets common in the age group of that baby
< 1451520009 722779 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1451520035 36682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was reading a blog about names recently
< 1451520042 50704 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though of course some given names are ever popular
< 1451520080 3774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently something unusual has happened recently, which is that one name has become in the top 10 of popularity in a huge number of different countries, rather than countries keeping to their own traditional names
< 1451520085 675919 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2012-05-30.2050.html#d.2012-05-30.2050 is one
< 1451520136 9967 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which name? is it the name used by someone very famous? like Barack?
< 1451520146 403277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Sofia, and variations (e.g. Sophie)
< 1451520169 280552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Sofia is the most common worldwide spelling although different countries still have their own local spellings of it
< 1451520192 537917 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, and many countries have more than one local spelling of any one name
< 1451520213 125634 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens a lot here, with both family names and given names, though for somewhat different reasons
< 1451520230 571868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Sofia" was the #1 female child name in Finland for 2014.
< 1451520269 227497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, that's true of a lot of other countries too
< 1451520271 551146 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :family names mostly come in versions spelled phonetically like Kis, and versions spelled in a deliberately strange way, like Kiss, the latter often orinally used to try to fool people that you're a nobleman
< 1451520272 289765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's in the top 10 overall yet, though.
< 1451520302 295938 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a lot of family names have two variants like that, sometimes three or more
< 1451520319 597447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: have people moved to Kisss yet?
< 1451520337 480124 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I don't think so. the strange spellings are all old, I don't think new ones are born much.
< 1451520348 403453 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not those kinds of strange spellings at least.
< 1451520382 183713 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I legally change my name, I'll be named kisssssssssssssss
< 1451520396 219474 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No capital)
< 1451520413 781170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For currently living female Finns, Sofia as ranks #16.
< 1451520431 635859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, this only happened in the past few years
< 1451520444 426639 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for given names, there's multiple variants either because there's more than one borrowings from foreign languages of ultimately the same etymology, or because people start to give names that were originally nicknames of a name as a normal name.
< 1451520503 113123 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most common example for the latter are Gergő and Bence.
< 1451520521 922428 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about the former.
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< 1451520766 178494 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, good night
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< 1451525242 680668 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl NICK :fcrawl
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< 1451525974 238082 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "ebf" by I don't know who is one of the more impressive "extended brainfuck" or "brainfuck macro" things I've seen.
< 1451525997 829258 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Just because its only implementation is an ebf to Brainfuck commpiler.
< 1451526010 136040 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, sorry.
< 1451526019 963375 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebf to Brainfuck self-hosting compiler.
< 1451526023 191736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the impl written in?
< 1451526027 276637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, was going to say
< 1451526032 952987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next problem is, who's going to bootstrap that thing?
< 1451526036 520354 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean okay, it's otherwise not *that* impressive, but props on  making it self-host.
< 1451526043 487682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awib self-hosts
< 1451526052 79426 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The author did. The initial implementation was hand-compiled.
< 1451526076 124157 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but awib is not compiling a more complicated language. :)
< 1451526161 958400 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. And also, this wasn't the guy's goal, just a step on the way to his real goal of implementing Lisp.
< 1451526183 125339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'd go via underlambda if I wanted a lisp in BF
< 1451526184 747648 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that's nice.
< 1451526323 398069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, IIRC Chaitin wrote a lisp interpreter as a Diophantine equation
< 1451526324 687125 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically what I'm saying is I  really prefer it when people strap stuff onto Brainfuck to make it "more" and actually put some effort into it.
< 1451526338 952539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's only like one page of coefficients
< 1451526351 854070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you can flip that around to "BF derivatives are most interesting when there's effort put into them"
< 1451526358 611659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least a good idea
< 1451526363 513927 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1451526369 949808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think when http://esolangs.org/wiki/PaintFuck was posted, #esoteric was approving of the idea
< 1451526371 749700 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are way too many boring ones.
< 1451526379 658714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, hmm, dead link
< 1451526388 526571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I misremembered the caps
< 1451526393 463022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Paintfuck
< 1451526418 212290 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not the best but at least novel.
< 1451526447 37089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, we liked the novelty of the idea
< 1451526451 398790 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than, say, Ook. :(
< 1451526469 676657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was novel at the time
< 1451526481 848149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was probably the first BF substitution
< 1451526489 632649 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was the first? Or at least super early?
< 1451526495 599076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first language substitution full stop, in fact, IIRC
< 1451526497 914495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, super early
< 1451526504 768236 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that's a lot less terrible then.
< 1451526508 526760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people liked it, but the third and fourth time and so on it doesn't work nearly as well
< 1451526514 720587 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1451526524 537881 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a joke that works about once.
< 1451526525 844509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It represents the first, although unfortunately not the last, in a long line of trivial Brainfuck command substitutions."
< 1451526539 766676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, HQ9+ is apparently a joke that only works three times
< 1451526555 983317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HQ9++ and the oerjan variant with a bunch more commands)
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< 1451526714 323033 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, SSRI discontinuation syndrome sucks. :(
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< 1451528201 681152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the costumer service have sent me another bank statement
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< 1451528231 912670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a persistent typo-based spam account
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< 1451528288 428104 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it wasn't your typo?
< 1451528301 867048 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? costume
< 1451528306 654488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :costume? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451528364 708108 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Costumes are used for cosplay. Taneb sometimes invents them.
< 1451528369 447349 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'costume': Costumes are used for cosplay. Taneb sometimes invents them.
< 1451528381 902395 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an entirely true wisdom for once.
< 1451528391 390079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cosplay
< 1451528393 188355 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cosplay is the art of dressing up as people to show off to other people dressed up as people.
< 1451528400 998697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? splay
< 1451528402 529663 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :splay? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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< 1451528557 62954 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my attempts at dualizing `? cosplay is leaving me in a labyrinth of horrible grammar help
< 1451528570 233609 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are
< 1451528626 957804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe you would find it easier to write an entry for cosplay tree hth
< 1451528657 402604 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1451529086 367761 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't a cosplay its self-dual?
< 1451529122 930726 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm attempting to draw U+261A to 261F
< 1451529129 133661 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's crazy talk
< 1451529763 913211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanenventions
< 1451529765 382039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanenventions? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451529774 542999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions
< 1451529776 130099 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, robots, cigars, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex.
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< 1451529970 70551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so BDSM is out but how does Taneb feel about dominance and submission in non-sexual contexts twh
< 1451530208 658391 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"awkward" sptm
< 1451530224 698960 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sptm?
< 1451530240 584853 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA*
< 1451530272 47844 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION strops his mapole for maximum accuracy
< 1451530300 407481 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guards with the saucepan
< 1451530300 575195 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain, or I mapole an innocent bystander!
< 1451530304 408095 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1451530305 809262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "seems plausible to me" hth
< 1451530317 985927 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, innocent bystander!
< 1451530338 948310 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does shachaf have the hth nature
< 1451530416 240006 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot.
< 1451530416 457174 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: apparently the fastest known way to send commands to it directly) connected to a time earlier than the other way
< 1451530483 719660 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot appears to be contemplating sending commands across time
< 1451530483 980789 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: too fnord it's probably closest to my ideal, only it's designed more efficiently and to take more master server ips, they could just use the first one
< 1451530545 588326 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leads me to the epiphany that fungot's parentheses are actually perfectly matched, just not in the usual chronological order
< 1451530545 812171 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: all the verizon and covad techs ( or contractors) i've dealt with in irc channels
< 1451530570 363613 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_languages
< 1451530712 559389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm ppwm for figuring out so many oerjacronyms
< 1451530752 978717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's too cold here
< 1451530757 58840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KBJC
< 1451530757 763969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KBJC 310247Z 34003KT 20SM SCT060 BKN080 M08/M13 A3012
< 1451530762 691028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong airport
< 1451530778 244039 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty cold for california
< 1451530784 766384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KTWD
< 1451530785 782394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1451530798 324412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ICAO code?!
< 1451530813 395146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not in California. HTH.
< 1451530820 207358 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a TWD?
< 1451530833 44114 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :denver, colorado?
< 1451530834 163458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IATA code.
< 1451530855 210142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm giving away too much geographical information there.
< 1451530859 391544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSEA
< 1451530860 58731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSEA 310253Z 04008KT 10SM CLR 02/M04 A3045 RMK AO2 SLP323 T00171039 51008
< 1451530930 261089 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, no one will ever discover you're in port townsend
< 1451531074 102396 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :port townsend?  Oh, I live relatively close to there
< 1451531087 512149 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSJC
< 1451531087 986784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSJC 310253Z 27006KT 10SM FEW013 SCT024 BKN036 09/05 A3022 RMK AO2 SLP231 T00890050 52006
< 1451531096 452354 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's rather a lot more useful knowledge to me.
< 1451531099 531028 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :earenndil: see if you can spot shachaf nearby hth
< 1451531153 787106 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I'm not close enough for it to be convenient to visit
< 1451531158 474242 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm near Seattle
< 1451531162 630830 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH
< 1451531167 800568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be in Seattle on Friday.
< 1451531177 548448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you traveling to California soon?
< 1451531181 382338 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Since when were you not in California?
< 1451531195 2416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since forever ago, yo
< 1451531197 162710 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drew ☕ as a takeout coffee cup but it's apparently supposed to be a mug!
< 1451531212 104107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in this case since the 24th or so.
< 1451531219 246207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean contiguously.
< 1451531227 152197 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I said I'm *near* Seattle, I still have to take a ferry to go to seattle
< 1451531227 676694 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OIC
< 1451531240 32668 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid vacation times.
< 1451531256 955033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :earenndil: So will I.
< 1451531266 778381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bainbridge ferry, presumably.
< 1451531292 862684 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have spotted a wild shachaf before.
< 1451531298 403189 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oooh
< 1451531304 867992 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. I think you can enthicken 快.
< 1451531307 573008 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is very shachaf.
< 1451531324 66391 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever the unicode name is "HOT BEVERAGE". A 7-11 style coffee cup is a hot beverage.
< 1451531377 52268 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i see you are using cromulent words
< 1451531393 890690 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1451531439 623107 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does europe have 7-11 yet?
< 1451531517 96082 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.‚,․
< 1451531764 235512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not as much as some people hth
< 1451531773 956154 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, wiktionary has an 1884 quotation for "embiggen"
< 1451531845 117392 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: there were a ridiculous number in trondheim last i checked.
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< 1451531868 723391 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was a while ago.
< 1451531894 192871 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, therefore a coffee cup of the style I drew should be recognizable to people everywhere
< 1451531945 730615 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a given value of everywhere
< 1451532172 590344 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: TITULAR CHICKEN
< 1451532192 848801 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rectangular Geometry: A two parallel lines intersect infinitely many times and have two 90 degree angles.
< 1451532199 612177 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something along those lines
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< 1451532276 570818 :fcrawl!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :splay is the art of dressing up as copeople to show off to other copeople dressed up as copeople. it is used for stumes
< 1451532583 309042 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-spheric geometry: all points above the x axis have spheric curvature, below the x axis zero curvature
< 1451532626 406805 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, elliptic, I mean
< 1451532737 987804 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would mean that any two parallel lines which are not horizontal, would meet exactly ONCE
< 1451532822 390656 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :equivalently, the "line at infinity" parallel to the x axis is compressed to a point
< 1451532845 178183 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only the line above the x axis, not the one below
< 1451532927 537940 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1451533029 810861 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be modeled by the line at infinity below the x axis being a circle, minus one point, which is the line at infinity above. a circle inside, touching the outer circle only at that point, is the x axis
< 1451533089 407346 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that;s not equivalent
< 1451533093 798720 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but similar
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< 1451536098 469118 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca NICK :\oren\
< 1451536101 734165 :oren1!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exit
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< 1451537941 406140 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Would half-toroidal geometry be equivalent to a finite cylinder?
< 1451538019 771357 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-toroidal?
< 1451538034 447613 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's what I think you mean, yeah, it's just a cylinder
< 1451538210 864964 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about geometry on the flat unit klein bottle?
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< 1451538553 421100 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Klein_Bottle_Folding_1.svg This is the diagram for the klein bottle
< 1451538689 611010 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's different from a torus
< 1451538701 853950 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a torus has the top and bottom edges aligned the same way
< 1451538726 247230 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a consequence, a klein bottle is orientable while a torus is not
< 1451538731 151495 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yeah, I was asking about something else now
< 1451538737 801800 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you've got that the wrong way around, the torus is orientable
< 1451538748 619499 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, other... yes
< 1451538777 543985 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the klein bottle, you can have self-intersecting lines
< 1451538799 953924 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what restraints apply to parallel lines
< 1451538870 899448 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "restraints"?
< 1451538941 135348 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you even define parallel to mean on such a surface?
< 1451539387 991770 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parallel is easy enough thanks to no curvature
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< 1451539449 16685 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the number of times the parallel lines intersect though changes depending on the angles
< 1451539466 166619 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no rotational invariance
< 1451539732 186836 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you view the surface as a sphere with a small crosscap
< 1451539743 159824 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can change the number of intersections with the crosscap by rotation
< 1451539752 430405 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically yeah, that
< 1451540237 186503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Your Minsky May Vary14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46037 5* 03Ais523 5* (+3545) 10new language
< 1451540279 802699 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46038&oldid=45964 5* 03Ais523 5* (+27) 10/* Y */ +[[Your Minsky May Vary]]
< 1451540302 620317 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46039&oldid=45827 5* 03Ais523 5* (+26) 10+[[Your Minsky May Vary]]
< 1451540305 95644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1451540315 580936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :name was too good an opportunity to pass up, language hopefully isn't /terrible/
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< 1451540408 115615 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1451540801 8994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried it has java2k syndrome but it seems at least to be a bit more interesting than that
< 1451540837 176648 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Three Star Programmer14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46040&oldid=45763 5* 03Ais523 5* (-1) 10/* Syntax */ fix typo
< 1451542130 999605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my card file database has the section for general-purpose comments too.
< 1451542461 369320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I do it so that when Firefox ask for the username and password that it will display additional information too (such as the authentication type and root URIs and so on)?
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< 1451545091 222852 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ian murdock died last night
< 1451545124 319032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I read that on another IRC too
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< 1451545707 526232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think that the wisdom file for "zzo38mtg.php" should also specify account registrations?
< 1451546002 947490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Quintopia14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46041&oldid=45569 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+30) 10/* Interpreters written in Python */
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< 1451546367 942096 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo38mtg.php
< 1451546369 642586 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/cardfile.php
< 1451546891 34182 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Purple14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46042&oldid=45601 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+1495) 10/* Implementations */
< 1451546920 965232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Portable Minsky Machine Notation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46043&oldid=45822 5* 03Ais523 5* (+58) 10/* See also */ mention the derivative
< 1451546923 99272 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Purple14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46044&oldid=46042 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+2) 10/* Ceylon */
< 1451546933 986976 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Purple14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46045&oldid=46044 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+2) 10/* Pyth */
< 1451546944 666277 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Purple14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46046&oldid=46045 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+2) 10/* Javascript (ES6) */
< 1451547082 530285 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Purple14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46047&oldid=46046 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+4) 10/* Pyth */
< 1451547825 803834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fails to answer the question?
< 1451549026 512851 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god
< 1451549043 358733 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to make WalrusOS something cool
< 1451549047 961190 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I just found my access
< 1451549066 821111 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hybrid of the Silo model and the Filesystem model
< 1451549112 738108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is then working how?
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< 1451552745 456101 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you guys think of an OS based on objects and classes?
< 1451552819 496362 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, the OS has a central repository of user-defined classes, along with a single list of objects. You start with nothing and work up from there, using λ-calculus and CL and whatever other shit I throw into it to fully personalize your OS experience
< 1451552820 655060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can try, and then we can see, I suppose.
< 1451554946 352337 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“fully personalize your OS experience” hehehe
< 1451555054 850098 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that sounds a little bit like Smalltalk, as in the way the system was originally built to contain the library and development UI and your code in all the same mutable workspace, defined from a few hundred primitive functions and syntax. (this was, I think, a bad idea, but it made more sense back at that day, and some APL thingies worked somewhat similarly.)
< 1451555067 191283 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ defined from a few hundred primitive functions and syntax. (this was, I think, a bad idea, but it made more sense back at that day, and some APL thingies worked somewhat similarly.)
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< 1451555181 323638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: and likewise, it sounds a bit like Feather, for similar reasons
< 1451555222 955874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1451563653 236958 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? photograph
< 1451563668 286735 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A photograph is a device for creating photograms.
< 1451563745 314025 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ここが出ね
< 1451563748 968841 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? photogram
< 1451563752 658873 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+3053 HIRAGANA LETTER KO] [U+3053 HIRAGANA LETTER KO] [U+304C HIRAGANA LETTER GA] [U+51FA CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-51FA] [U+306D HIRAGANA LETTER NE]
< 1451563752 948045 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :photogram? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451563826 71830 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ここがでね
< 1451563827 418507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ここがでね? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1451563878 553389 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops.
< 1451563883 119048 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ここがでね
< 1451563884 419467 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+3053 HIRAGANA LETTER KO] [U+3053 HIRAGANA LETTER KO] [U+304C HIRAGANA LETTER GA] [U+3067 HIRAGANA LETTER DE] [U+306D HIRAGANA LETTER NE]
< 1451564355 812094 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451566118 505159 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1451566534 229539 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1451566737 750898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451566962 62055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46048&oldid=46038 5* 03178.255.168.42 5* (+14) 10/* F */
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< 1451567205 35020 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451567205 35085 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1451568545 111125 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-29-107.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
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< 1451571445 678044 :andrew_!~andrew@59.38.97.140 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451572688 119020 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510803.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG it was ganondorf behind it all alang... again
< 1451572757 220632 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: duh. ganondorf was behind letting V escape too. he could cast spells even as a ghost.
< 1451572887 128831 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls no starwars spoilers
< 1451572910 711374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :han solo is really leia's cousin
< 1451572915 681547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :all their kids have 8 toes
< 1451573054 6524 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451573260 447083 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ is now in the public domain
< 1451573371 426539 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDN_homograph_attack "For example, a person frequenting citibank.com may be lured to click a link in which the Latin C is replaced with the Cyrillic С."
< 1451573373 710890 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that spam?
< 1451573523 218020 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: not only spam, e.g. a tweet with that link may survive without being detected
< 1451573551 619237 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean
< 1451573559 545271 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example itself on wikipedia
< 1451573621 122856 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, I don't understand what do you mean
< 1451573643 714468 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :citibank spam on wikipedia
< 1451573653 75505 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha.
< 1451573685 371565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, seems reasonable, this isn't the bbc we're talking about
< 1451573697 284542 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, WikiBlame does not work :(
< 1451573726 6597 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw your font totally fails to avoid homograph attacks in the korean characters
< 1451573736 389412 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :altho my eyes are not trained to read korean
< 1451573770 396704 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IDN_homograph_attack&diff=383860153&oldid=383859096 is the initial introduction
< 1451573780 392839 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm assuming it's korean
< 1451573786 456613 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why citibank is used in the example but does not look that significant
< 1451573801 137972 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: there are some hard cases, I know
< 1451573810 342400 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more copies of jamos
< 1451573898 560548 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't read braille either but i think the font should only display the black dots
< 1451573910 462802 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bigger ones i mean
< 1451573919 81285 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :displaying both is confusing
< 1451574020 787427 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough with the criticism
< 1451574090 754387 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: people seems to like brailles, that is the second time I've heard of criticism on braille
< 1451574120 824083 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of providing an option to give alternative glyphs for them
< 1451574189 670041 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I like brailles! It's a well-designed system that managed to get more popular than all its competitors, so basically it's a story with a happy end. And
< 1451574220 459594 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, Unicode ruined braille by merging two variants of 8-dot brailles
< 1451574242 378621 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stood the test of time: braille is still popular now that we write it with thousand dollar braille terminals connected to the internet rather than a grid and stylus, and it still works.
< 1451574268 144386 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I don't think it _merged_ them. I think it just failed to account for the less common variant, so far, because it's not much popular. 
< 1451574285 573880 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Korean braille is almost based on 1930s' Korean orthography
< 1451574295 726443 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now obsolete)
< 1451574323 494310 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: er what? 
< 1451574331 658647 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough about the back story here to understand this.
< 1451574351 472766 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: a reply to "it's stood the test of time", I meant
< 1451574378 794221 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Korean braille a 6-dot system where generally each letter is written separately so that each syllable is made of two or three cells, except that there's a lot of abbreviations so it's generally shorter than that?
< 1451574381 366552 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so successful that it changes slowly than its normal variant
< 1451574387 718231 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more slowly*
< 1451574411 289203 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: basically yes, but has lots of abbreviations like English braille
< 1451574422 415494 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one aspect of 1930s
< 1451574434 741213 :dcentral!~IGLC@206.251.40.170 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451574481 434237 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1930s' orthography is that ㄲ ㄸ ㅃ etc. are written as ㅅㄱ, ㅅㄷ, ㅅㅂ etc. at that time and the braille forms for them exactly reflect that
< 1451574488 527449 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ㄲ = ㅅ + ㄱ, etc.)
< 1451574517 689889 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see
< 1451574521 623477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jamesmorrison 5*  10New user account
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< 1451574967 473040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CAT14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46049&oldid=30154 5* 03Jamesmorrison 5* (+29) 10
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< 1451577714 93803 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Your Minsky May Vary14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46050 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+182) 10Created page with "Can there be whitespace between counter numbers, such as `inc(3  |    4)`? ~~~~"
< 1451577740 877038 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Your Minsky May Vary14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46051&oldid=46050 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+11) 10whoops
< 1451578138 381449 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451578149 138922 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :My client crashed and I lost all my channels :(
< 1451578195 711625 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't save them?
< 1451578207 90125 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I did!
< 1451578212 647951 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :On both my client and my bouncer!
< 1451578256 389670 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still missing a few that I can't quite remember...
< 1451578282 623726 :andrew_!~andrew@59.38.97.140 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1451578361 873716 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy new year, #esoteric
< 1451578412 335935 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a name that punny I can only assume YMMV is an ais523 language
< 1451578428 599945 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the connection to Minsky machines of course
< 1451579855 944679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1451580266 793325 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realized that YMMV may read as year 2005
< 1451580426 819555 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451581452 491704 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! that language is one where it might be a serious problem that you don't have gotos, only while and if
< 1451581461 668448 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451581533 638347 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so?
< 1451581573 912913 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you don't have variables (boolean or enum) you can reliably set, clear, and test, so you can't use them to control the control flow of while loops
< 1451581586 904528 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1451581620 550649 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike in the original Portable Minsky
< 1451581640 829823 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or brainfuck
< 1451582046 884405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Now that I'm in your country, should I know something important about the new year's traditions? 
< 1451582087 767404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I've understood it's not so much about fireworks as it was in Finland, but maybe as much about drinking (if possible).
< 1451582103 372538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the alcohol aisles at the shop were unusually busy.
< 1451582139 760902 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, we normally sing a song at midnight that's in Scottish and everyone seems to know the lyrics to
< 1451582159 640926 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are fireworks in the big cities but not many
< 1451582167 772979 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And champagne is traditionally drank at midnight
< 1451582214 788515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Auld Lang Syne thing, right.
< 1451582418 919426 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped.
< 1451582459 917346 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1451582460 708307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 311650Z 15019KT CAVOK 03/M06 Q1012 RMK WIND 670FT 15024G38KT
< 1451582462 401835 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451582466 964360 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1451582467 812072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 311650Z 15019KT CAVOK 03/M06 Q1012 RMK WIND 670FT 15024G38KT
< 1451582492 146570 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part tells that it's a storm again
< 1451582531 858984 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Client Quit
< 1451582645 40839 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the 019KT part
< 1451582819 249052 :whaied!~Thunderbi@41.230.231.254 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451583077 762760 :whaied!~Thunderbi@41.230.231.254 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1451583622 914625 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vubgrrtdwinrhjka JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451583635 547498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451584262 776750 :AlexR42!~textual@145.255.21.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1451584403 268936 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451584407 402520 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww, come on!
< 1451584411 739722 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happened again :(
< 1451584460 466645 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tuahbizpjutoieph QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1451584476 350913 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hsyyxchzuvwoztql JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451584492 409359 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: lucky nothing really happened
< 1451584531 689013 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I lost all my channels
< 1451584553 40613 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely only #esoteric counts hth
< 1451584563 458870 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost even that!
< 1451584567 856482 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1451585236 795016 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451585403 727813 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-29-107.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1451585706 651782 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1451585788 636977 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TeaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46052&oldid=45198 5* 0376.102.163.231 5* (+142) 10
< 1451585885 413180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's actually 19KT.
< 1451585890 840648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the 0 is part of 150, the direction.
< 1451585906 389611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heading 150 degrees, speed 19 knots.
< 1451585911 357015 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1451585918 218935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1451585918 934761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 311750Z AUTO 22012KT 9999 -RA SCT015/// BKN028/// OVC045/// //////CB 08/05 Q1014 NOSIG
< 1451585928 326459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very slashy.
< 1451585928 524044 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07TeaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46053&oldid=46052 5* 0376.102.163.231 5* (-9) 10
< 1451585953 982127 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if the direction is less than 100
< 1451585963 622719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that part's zero-padded, then.
< 1451585970 213742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what happens if speed is more than 99.
< 1451585978 533468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1451585979 110022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 311750Z AUTO 22012KT 9999 -RA SCT015/// BKN028/// OVC045/// //////CB 08/05 Q1014 NOSIG
< 1451585984 674793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.
< 1451585987 293368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFHK
< 1451585987 973631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 311750Z 12009KT 9999 FEW014 M04/M06 Q1035 NOSIG
< 1451585995 566151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's >= 100 there too.
< 1451586088 540313 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/METAR#Example_METAR_codes seems to indicate the speed is zero-padded if less than 10
< 1451586126 921737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :19 knots isn't much of a storm, to be honest.
< 1451586171 795335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was supposed to be some sort of a storm here, but it was only the northern bits.
< 1451586187 546276 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it wasn't blowing that much right then.
< 1451586255 543058 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1451586262 2332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK flood warning map has been very lively recently.
< 1451586303 423359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://flood-warning-information.service.gov.uk/map
< 1451586319 994764 :Froox!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1451586338 906478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"95 Warnings no longer in force - flood warnings and flood alerts removed in the last 24 hours"  guess it's getting better
< 1451586341 10159 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451586402 74715 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there was a picture of cameron visiting flooding in york in a norwegian newspaper
< 1451586439 674111 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so is your student apartment under water twnh
< 1451586549 802022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's why their IRC keeps going down.
< 1451586554 137724 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hey maybe you're disconnecting because the server ... right
< 1451586599 520479 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect they've probably put the university somewhere high, though
< 1451586674 381779 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: huhwhat? our university is quite law, so it's flooded often.
< 1451586682 253221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ours in Finland is pretty near the sea, too. The road next to the CS building is occasionally under water.
< 1451586687 717389 :tjt263!~RAPSCA77I@unaffiliated/tjt263 QUIT :Quit: part
< 1451586693 194438 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1451586696 775469 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the Országos Széchényi Könyvtár that is up high on a hill.
< 1451586702 763664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they've actually gotten water into any buildings though.
< 1451586739 860251 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the flood doesn't go up to the tenth floors of the high buildings, it's just the basements that are regularly flooded, but that's enough of a problem.
< 1451586772 496454 :perrier____!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1451586775 435558 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :National ... Library?
< 1451586787 620155 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, since it's so close to the river, the ground isn't too stable, so one of the buildings (Ch) started to dangerously twist when they digged the metro tunnel under it.
< 1451586802 403774 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the university blamed the tunnel builders of doing something wrong and causing too much vibrations.
< 1451586845 219655 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's named in honor of Széchényi Ferenc, the son of Széchenyi István, because he has had something to do with starting a library and supporting it with some of his money or something like that
< 1451586854 702722 :perrier_!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451586867 433308 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1451586994 463306 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reference https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orsz%C3%A1gos_Sz%C3%A9ch%C3%A9nyi_K%C3%B6nyvt%C3%A1r#T.C3.B6rt.C3.A9nete
< 1451587004 670621 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Sz%C3%A9ch%C3%A9nyi_Library#History
< 1451587023 770654 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either the biggest or the second biggest library in Hungary
< 1451587030 687997 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which
< 1451587590 547961 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, my student flat is not underwater as far as I know
< 1451587596 453978 :dcentral!~IGLC@206.251.40.170 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1451587602 625536 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither, for that matter, is the server
< 1451587703 39607 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: s/son/father/, i take.
< 1451587705 447023 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out one of the admins on the server (ran by the CS society at my uni) was fiddling with the ZNC install trying to get it to work with HTTPS
< 1451587722 917608 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, to be fair, it now does
< 1451587744 759136 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yay!
< 1451587782 974999 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah right! he's the FATHER of Széchenyi István. That actually makes _much_ more sense historically.
< 1451587801 290482 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, he was active _before_ the dualism.
< 1451587807 139548 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I'm not good in history.
< 1451587877 642008 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have known this, it's not like the Károlyi family, which has like a dozen famous people in it, including minister presidents, and statues with just "Károlyi" written on them; plus a dozen other famous people named Károlyi who aren't related to them.
< 1451587962 982798 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i wonder why the son dropped a ´
< 1451588018 816632 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pronunciation guide at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istv%C3%A1n_Sz%C3%A9chenyi seems to think it's still pronounced long
< 1451588060 818503 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: at that time people didn't have passports with a name printed in them, so the spelling of names of noblemen was more flexible. 
< 1451588075 406681 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, both are pronounced Szécsényi
< 1451588095 172314 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least most likely pronounced that
< 1451588106 543090 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people probably pronounced it in different ways
< 1451588236 547411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an Iain M. Banks novel where your social class determines how many names you have -- nobles have one, two seems relatively common, and having four names seems to be considered an indicator of low social status.
< 1451588850 116352 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the BF to MM compiler?
< 1451588882 366651 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1451588882 892236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
< 1451588909 432576 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit i can't remember the name of the stupid command to show all pings
< 1451588933 536079 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pings-loud
< 1451588933 824698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1451588936 481560 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1451588939 670111 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list
< 1451588939 829347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module?  Try @listmodules for some ideas.
< 1451588967 558659 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you stupid bot for telling me to use a command that did nothing
< 1451588987 414260 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha that was it
< 1451589004 72730 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i appear to have pinged myself
< 1451589022 56913 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@listmodules
< 1451589022 473159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity base bf check compose dice dict djinn dummy elite eval filter free fresh haddock help hoogle instances irc karma localtime metar more oeis offlineRC pl pointful poll pretty quote search slap source spell system tell ticker todo topic type undo unlambda unmtl version where
< 1451589028 568170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list oeis
< 1451589029 102285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oeis provides: oeis sequence
< 1451589039 117750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis
< 1451589039 769016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1451589046 791893 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0,2,12,70
< 1451589048 497556 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451589049 309434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : a(n) = 6a(n-1) - a(n-2), with a(0) = 0 and a(1) = 2.[0,2,12,70,408,2378,1386...
< 1451589057 404146 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :neaty
< 1451589062 18969 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mothology/Mothology is the study of moths, myths and mirths.
< 1451589083 324854 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list check
< 1451589083 819736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :check provides: check
< 1451589097 852719 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW SO USEFUL THX FOR USEFUL DOCS LAMBDABOT
< 1451589107 102483 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help check
< 1451589107 469171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :check 
< 1451589107 628254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have QuickCheck and 3 seconds. Prove something.
< 1451589120 468146 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh aha
< 1451589136 45408 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i don't haskell
< 1451589146 798612 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help base
< 1451589147 382749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :base is a module.
< 1451589151 648153 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list base
< 1451589152 220211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :base has no visible commands
< 1451589155 532759 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1451589167 79214 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help compose
< 1451589167 487748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :.   [args].
< 1451589167 646620 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :. [or compose] is the composition of two plugins
< 1451589167 646750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The following semantics are used: . f g xs == g xs >>= f
< 1451589241 493107 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @@ is usually more convenient
< 1451589320 910814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the obvious conclusion is that `learn should be a-separated hth
< 1451589325 469689 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: buubot has a more general composition method. I took part in defining and implementing that one.
< 1451589331 460939 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot's compose is limited
< 1451589347 922762 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help spell
< 1451589348 384033 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :spell . Show spelling of word
< 1451589363 610556 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@spell lokomoshun
< 1451589364 164218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `spell' failed with: aspell: readCreateProcessWithExitCode: runInteractiveProcess: exec: does not exist (No such file or directory)
< 1451589376 700337 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In buubot, you can interplate the result of a command anywhere inside a command line.
< 1451589387 527895 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh...that doesn't seem right
< 1451589432 191535 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That together with a quoting command and an eval (inside sandbox) command lets you glue buubot commands together in basically any way you like.
< 1451589460 891160 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The quoting command lets you quote _any_ string output such that you can embed it as a literal in a program you eval.
< 1451589463 851358 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1451589476 567079 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We also have persistency, and macros with arguments.
< 1451589503 853800 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not quite arguments, only one string argument really, with convenience for whitespace-splitting.
< 1451590176 591991 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Schrodilang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46054&oldid=31108 5* 0378.52.70.142 5* (+10) 10
< 1451590659 244454 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks if the Esowiki has a language called [[2005]] yet
< 1451590680 367339 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess you still have time. we're faster these days than last year.
< 1451590792 875859 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1451590804 263137 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the 2016 binary ready?
< 1451591321 28737 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: um that's what lambdabot's @@ does
< 1451591356 870153 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help @@
< 1451591357 276546 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands
< 1451591361 747159 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help @
< 1451591361 993261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : @@ [args].
< 1451591362 154208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : @@ executes plugin invocations in its arguments, parentheses can be used.
< 1451591362 313234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The commands are right associative.
< 1451591362 313319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : For example:    @@ @pl @undo code
< 1451591362 313342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : is the same as: @@ (@pl (@undo code))
< 1451591411 610838 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wat
< 1451591425 786632 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think so, unless the help doesn't tell everything. it doesn't tell how to quote arbitrary output, or how to put arbitrary strings including at signs and parenthesis in the commands
< 1451591474 632006 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe lambdabot can do all that, but if so, I have no idea how
< 1451591541 273610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in the vein of le/rn le//rn etc.
< 1451591549 859599 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help arg
< 1451591550 49947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands
< 1451591552 816657 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help quote
< 1451591553 212566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote : Quote  or a random person if no nick is given
< 1451591585 929706 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@show like this
< 1451591586 412882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :"like this"
< 1451591603 662757 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help show
< 1451591603 963768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :show . Print ""
< 1451591612 815991 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@show foo"bar(qux
< 1451591613 113549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo\"bar(qux"
< 1451591615 967691 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1451591624 5706 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might help
< 1451591630 734869 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you put arbitrary at signs into the command?
< 1451591660 32999 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit trickier, but you can do it with @run
< 1451591667 384686 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help run
< 1451591667 630773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :run . You have Haskell, 3 seconds and no IO. Go nuts!
< 1451591670 598985 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1451591673 33607 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1451591690 604689 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe lambdabot is better than I thought
< 1451591694 883926 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a rather big limitation in @run's output length, alas
< 1451591695 43512 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for telling about @show at least
< 1451591705 520435 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it also have mutable state?
< 1451591714 970569 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it probably does
< 1451591717 103245 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with @define
< 1451591743 796363 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be write-once but that can probably be worked around
< 1451591745 671669 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _used_ to be a @read command that undid @show, but that was removed
< 1451591768 66325 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that isn't really needed, you can just @run write or something like that
< 1451591772 850056 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1451591774 60791 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, you cannot get to everything else inside @run
< 1451591782 48333 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also awkward
< 1451591786 158096 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean @run var
< 1451591794 395514 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run var "foo\"bar(qux"
< 1451591796 200258 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : foo"bar(qux
< 1451591802 652069 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah var is the way to do it now
< 1451591808 510038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma blah
< 1451591811 432172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah has a karma of 31337
< 1451591818 452311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was done through @@ @run trickery
< 1451591854 755032 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i remember that
< 1451591861 485429 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think buubot has a rather long output limit internally, as in, the output between commands in a compose line, or the def of a factoid/macro (which is what mutable state is based on) can be much longer than an irc line (probably at least 64 kilobytes or something)
< 1451591871 22099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ion did it.
< 1451591871 550356 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it won't output long lines to _IRC_
< 1451591881 650065 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had a web interface though, with both longer input and output lines than irc
< 1451591888 247485 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: pretty sure i've done similar
< 1451591893 147698 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but technically you don't need that much, since with mutable state you can just use multiple lines
< 1451591899 168373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You used ^ul, didn't you?
< 1451591919 339911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did the original blah++ing, but ion was the one who brought it to that particular number. Unless I'm misremembering.
< 1451591921 948319 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :buubot's syntax is sort of both useful and esoteric
< 1451591930 442962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma shachaf is mostly your fault
< 1451591931 32095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 91
< 1451591957 751071 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: quite possibly lambdabot's internal limit is higher, but still not unlimited.
< 1451591958 616620 :^v!~^v@172.58.137.255 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451591960 688781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2012-12-29.txt 19:13
< 1451591969 332561 :^v!~^v@172.58.137.255 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1451591977 596378 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output limit is higher in privmsg, after all
< 1451591979 858208 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1451591981 352269 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are limits
< 1451591991 405469 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall what the length limits are in buubot
< 1451592148 815 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that @run's output is sometimes nominally infinite, there has to be
< 1451592486 975864 :earenndil!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja NICK :Elronnd
< 1451592779 976391 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDN_homograph_attack "For example, a person frequenting citibank.com may be lured to click a link in which the Latin C is replaced with the Cyrillic С." <-- brb, registering .сom
< 1451592859 960422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :.xn--om-nmc
< 1451592874 658631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :agora.xn--om-nmc
< 1451593454 161591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CAT14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46055&oldid=46049 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-29) 10Undo revision 46049 by [[Special:Contributions/Jamesmorrison|Jamesmorrison]] ([[User talk:Jamesmorrison|talk]]) (Seems like spam)
< 1451593486 815675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10blocked [[02User:Jamesmorrison10]] with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites
< 1451593588 763239 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unusually clever, though, the link had a url and was placed in a spot that easily _could_ have been non-spam.
< 1451593617 691164 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i actually had to risk visiting it to check
< 1451593742 307384 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope other people are sometimes checking things, i've basically dropped esolangs.org from what i follow closely until i catch up to some other sites
< 1451593757 435164 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the backlog was just too big.
< 1451593787 884759 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015
< 1451593789 458204 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451593840 336468 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2015
< 1451593841 457968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1451593871 803329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date +%Y
< 1451593873 443513 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015
< 1451593896 432015 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon it will be useful!
< 1451593950 746843 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451593962 865241 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippavilion!
< 1451593965 101642 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i s/!// bin/2015
< 1451593968 341253 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451593969 671302 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015
< 1451593970 670534 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world
< 1451593974 615344 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1451593978 393914 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: heresy!
< 1451593983 240695 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
< 1451593994 904765 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made it useful like you wanted
< 1451594012 441136 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats izabera senseless with the saucepan ===\__/
< 1451594029 365649 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU RUINED IT WHEN THERE WERE JUST HOURS LEFT
< 1451594040 910220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what if it used %G wth
< 1451594049 882568 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what that means
< 1451594061 200369 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date +%G
< 1451594062 39209 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015
< 1451594161 715256 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of that flower in the dennis the menace movie
< 1451594198 392515 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1451594200 112553 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inventory/An inventory is a collection of inventions.
< 1451594224 741043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date -d '2016-01-01' +'%Y %G'
< 1451594225 899909 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016 2015
< 1451594241 420684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date -d '2016-01-03' +'%Y %G'
< 1451594242 127906 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dateu
< 1451594245 120452 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016 2015
< 1451594246 247379 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: dateu: not found
< 1451594246 406093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date -d '2016-01-04' +'%Y %G'
< 1451594249 158548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016 2016
< 1451594254 395564 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I don't have that alias here
< 1451594257 573495 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll run it locally
< 1451594260 731815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6; do date --date=2016-01-0$i +"2016-01-0$i: %G"; done
< 1451594261 968741 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-01-01: 2015 \ 2016-01-02: 2015 \ 2016-01-03: 2015 \ 2016-01-04: 2016 \ 2016-01-05: 2016 \ 2016-01-06: 2016
< 1451594282 937981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the year attached to the week number given by %V.
< 1451594293 838027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Week numbers: so complicated.
< 1451594346 446712 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1451594368 641249 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always hated those since i could never remember when they were
< 1451594373 955441 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`datei
< 1451594374 816770 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-12-31 20:39:32.075129000+00:00
< 1451594378 148036 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`datei -u
< 1451594379 97964 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-12-31 20:39:36.267839000+00:00
< 1451594384 517943 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah great, I have datei, just not dateu
< 1451594396 90795 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat bin/datei
< 1451594397 163095 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ exec date --rfc-3=n "$@"
< 1451594434 271946 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo $'#!/bin/sh\nexec date --rfc-3=n -u "$@"' > bin/dateu && chmod a+x bin/dateu
< 1451594437 561761 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451594438 723392 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dateu
< 1451594439 793962 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-12-31 20:40:36.938618000+00:00
< 1451594440 885976 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`datei
< 1451594441 727150 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-12-31 20:40:38.926797000+00:00
< 1451594443 857769 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better
< 1451594458 232811 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, it makes no difference because HackEgo is set to UTC timezone by default
< 1451594484 482162 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still no 2015 language
< 1451594573 590142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one good thing about living in the UK: times in UTC are local for at least part of the year.
< 1451594580 53865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if they'd get rid of DST too.
< 1451594636 584222 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which timezone is the other one where utc is local for part of the year?
< 1451594640 791693 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 or -1 ?
< 1451594654 906408 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't answer "yes"
< 1451594657 269120 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: -1 (in one of the notations. time zones are notated in two opposite ways.)
< 1451594670 177019 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: the one almost nobody uses that is, because it's in the atlantic
< 1451594684 522375 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: most of Europe is on +1, which is +2 in most of the year actually, but +1 now in the winter
< 1451594705 590825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't much where it's like that summer-only.
< 1451594710 583863 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why but i kinda hoped it was +1 because i live there but it wouldn't change my life in the slightest way but still
< 1451594801 885946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iceland is permanently UTC-local.
< 1451594870 894103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And many countries in Africa, I'm just being eurocentric.)
< 1451595121 151292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I always think of Iceland being very far up north, even though it isn't really.
< 1451595570 708402 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually Greenland, and it's very far up west, not north
< 1451595605 642097 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451596597 838028 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math needs something called a coconjugate
< 1451596609 419290 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a complex operation called (for now) "swapation"
< 1451596639 37907 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym njugate hth
< 1451596643 181363 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If $ is swapation (prefix, lower precedence than +), then $a+bi = b+ai
< 1451596684 766743 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only obvious properties I can think of of $ are:
< 1451596713 600658 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :$z = i*conj(z) hth
< 1451596733 291660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A) c+di = $a+bi -> sqrt(a**2+b**2) = sqrt(c**2+d**2)
< 1451596765 502712 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More simply, the swapation of a complex number has the same absolute value, which is of course different from modulus because calling abs(z) the "modulus" of z is stupid)
< 1451596808 498294 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :B) $$z=z ($ is its own negation, similar to conjugate)
< 1451596811 457601 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :$z = i*conj(z) hth
< 1451596822 661869 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, of course
< 1451596837 108054 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the first time and was formulating a response
< 1451596880 612460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you think there's any practical use for $?
< 1451596900 490701 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not analytic
< 1451596921 259866 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not a field isomorphism
< 1451596998 562528 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it combines the flaws of i* and conj().  also in math conj() is usually just a macron, so the notation isn't really shorter either
< 1451597010 699346 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also $ for generalized polynomials, called "rotation", with the property that $(a[0]x**n+a[1]x**(n-1)+...a[n]x**(n-n=0) is equal to... something
< 1451597031 623326 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that you rotate the a's by one, but not the exponents, or vice versa
< 1451597046 329371 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then of course ~$, revrot, which does the same thing in reverse
< 1451597085 678062 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, but is there any time one would ever want to swapate a binomial (complex or not)?
< 1451597120 320231 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, is there any use for i*conj(z) that comes up even remotely often?
< 1451597150 922842 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, what do you think of fuzzy sets where the fuzziness of an element is generalized to the complexes?
< 1451597197 627609 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it comes up often enough to justify a new notation.
< 1451597239 326914 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since if you are doing that kind of manipulation, it's probably better to keep everything in terms of z and conj(z) for uniformity
< 1451597256 947409 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as long as you want to use complex notation)
< 1451597283 931789 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, but if I ever write a paper that makes heavy use of i*(z*) I'm using $.
< 1451597313 240848 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1451597382 902518 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why do you do "OKAY" in fullcaps? It makes you look angry.
< 1451597389 903501 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for your polynomial version, one problem i see is that it depends on whether a coefficient is 0 or not.
< 1451597410 34892 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if a[0] = 0, you suddenly have degree one less.
< 1451597411 356661 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You fill in 0 coefficients, but only up to the degree of the polynomial
< 1451597425 937504 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and that makes it nonlinear.
< 1451597430 844774 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit
< 1451597437 83884 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what does that mean?
< 1451597478 549211 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that if you rotate x^n and x^n + 1, then the difference is not the rotation of 1.
< 1451597492 334404 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is sort of an ugly property.
< 1451597530 189061 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh even worse, the rotation is not invertible
< 1451597548 609721 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^n -> 1, no matter what n is
< 1451597601 557309 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well either that or revrot, not sure which one is which direction)
< 1451597646 52171 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to sum up, i think you need to include n in the notation for it to be sane.
< 1451597681 752249 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to put on pizza...
< 1451597764 736067 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: also OKAY in full caps means i'm being incredulous hth
< 1451597774 188427 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1451597952 510464 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you include n in the notation, then you can also apply it to polynomials of even larger degree, it will just ignore those coefficients.
< 1451597992 827044 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex fuzziness: no idea how useful it is, but i could say almost the same thing about ordinary fuzzy sets.
< 1451598018 896604 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i hear it's used in AI?)
< 1451598192 700017 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1451598212 164582 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: btw if you restrict it to polynomials of lower degree, then it's basically multiplying by x followed by modulo by x^(n+1) - 1.
< 1451598237 573683 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or multiplying by x^n, for the reverse
< 1451598410 612173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1451599287 922771 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smiles at google's new year's eve doodle
< 1451599325 617582 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it distinguishes time zone
< 1451599580 703960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451599645 375515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time oerjan
< 1451599648 18430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Thu Dec 31 23:07:25 2015
< 1451599682 181142 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it would use that i'm on google.no then
< 1451599751 417341 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451599788 587808 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dateu
< 1451599789 427749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-12-31 22:09:46.564324000+00:00
< 1451599792 243725 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than an hour localtime here
< 1451599800 612609 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` TZ=Europe/Paris datei
< 1451599801 464799 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-12-31 23:09:58.476564000+01:00
< 1451600043 920215 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIME IS RUNNING OUT
< 1451600417 842162 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1451600614 710692 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's the year that's running out.
< 1451600684 574377 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU SURE
< 1451600700 678195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGvlw7qBoJQ#t=2m
< 1451600700 965873 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this meat lover's pizza feels extravagant
< 1451600705 342405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmation that time is running out hth
< 1451600769 341664 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451600951 995180 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451601231 350161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why hasn't the SQLite bug I reported has been fixed or even acknowledged yet?
< 1451601276 610325 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I dunno. the one I reported is fixed, and the fix will be in the release some time in January.
< 1451601347 631291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can write to them though, I don't know
< 1451601646 624391 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what?
< 1451601722 758833 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451602485 13124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it work better if you write to them do you even know how to do such thing better? But first see if you understand what my bug report is at least.
< 1451602537 335294 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it help if I write? I didn't get it right at first, I had to write a second letter.
< 1451602549 440164 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a third when drhipp committed a wrong fix 
< 1451602557 793576 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a partial fix, let's say)
< 1451602568 41264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then tell someone else who does know how to get it right
< 1451602571 452488 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though he would have figured it out when running the tests anyway, but later)
< 1451602577 477664 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you try?
< 1451602676 908719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did already.
< 1451602686 413107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I received no reply
< 1451602688 539131 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try again later
< 1451602698 272965 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@8-ball will they listen to zzo38 next time?
< 1451602698 619812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1451602702 39168 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball will they listen to zzo38 next time?
< 1451602702 942219 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reply hazy try again.
< 1451602722 11041 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :midnight's close, pour the champagne
< 1451602745 749618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One more hour to go here.
< 1451602921 962578 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know, everyone here's in the UK or Finland so they don't celebrate now
< 1451602932 113795 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIPPY GNU YARN!
< 1451602994 888263 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems you have to reload the google doodle manually
< 1451603117 988175 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wait, i just thought you were in paris
< 1451603202 651596 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: most of continental Europe is in the +1 timezone. Europe/Paris is the name I use for that timezone (+1 with the European daylight saving rules) because Paris is like the biggest city in the zone.
< 1451603227 657574 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have another 10 hours to new year
< 1451603252 17114 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1451603259 746844 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: what? 10 hours?
< 1451603262 277597 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like -9
< 1451603267 903950 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it in Alaska or something?
< 1451603272 844152 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ding ding ding
< 1451603278 575976 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes. I'm in Alaska.
< 1451603286 576244 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this was established xD.
< 1451603317 996511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the HP Pavilion is in San Jose.
< 1451603322 972868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was in San Jose, I guess.
< 1451603346 425837 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, Alaska and 10 hours matches
< 1451604282 663889 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1451604319 844225 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1451604956 220701 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1451605355 702865 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
< 1451605438 284878 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the future? 2016? has the world ended in nucular conflagrations or other apocalyptic robotic seismic ubpringings?
< 1451605560 147814 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes
< 1451605583 335995 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1451605602 190484 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not robotic.  they involve kittens hth
< 1451605631 913042 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so about five hours remaining until kittensplosion.
< 1451605655 724167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1451605681 113633 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm not sure about seismic.  it's hard to measure with all the kittens in the way.
< 1451605733 877684 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sample kittens, measure amplitude, scale up.
< 1451605781 961272 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( huh. somebody built a huge maya pyramid somewhere very random on our server. who, why, when, and are they mapolable for their architecturactions. )
< 1451605865 151237 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Everyone is mapolable. Not being mapolable is punishable by mapoling, LTIC
< 1451605880 325431 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07201514]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46056 5* 0350.161.94.113 5* (+173) 10We need another [[2014]]!
< 1451605888 200450 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometimes you may need to soak your mapole in holy water first.
< 1451605902 219134 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. for ghosts.
< 1451605906 390699 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh
< 1451605914 89522 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, 50.161.94.113?
< 1451605971 151503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:201514]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46057 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+115) 10No.
< 1451605992 333238 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My comment on the page was almost as long as the page itself.
< 1451605993 857236 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what happens when you don't make an article in time hth
< 1451606013 412184 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 minutes
< 1451606019 776106 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, someone invent a 2015 language
< 1451606021 596196 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Perhaps we should salvage the page and make one that references all the stuff that happened in 2015
< 1451606028 778247 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Someone just did
< 1451606048 116976 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good
< 1451606050 583666 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015 hi
< 1451606054 429688 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451606058 751599 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1451606059 957413 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: btw `2015 exists, and has done so for almost a year hth
< 1451606064 572571 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat bin/2015
< 1451606065 650479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1451606076 580347 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: try again in 6 minutes hth
< 1451606086 442604 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1451606090 71331 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, a sort of historical language. It would talk about the Refugee crisis in the form of programming, et cetera.
< 1451606091 100845 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has != in it
< 1451606102 335557 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something even remotely better than 2014
< 1451606104 698514 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language-wise
< 1451606107 208283 :b_jonas!~x@152.66.83.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(newlines instead of semicolons. crazy.)
< 1451606125 60524 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: we already invented 2015, a year ago.  hth.
< 1451606135 502439 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then we'll invent 2015++
< 1451606139 7661 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a good idea
< 1451606144 813849 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding ++ fixes everything
< 1451606159 740528 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So 2016, basically)
< 1451606238 318643 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how "it [2014] has probably faded into uselessness"
< 1451606242 671605 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the time we're reading it
< 1451606251 453886 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, you know, it was always particularly useful
< 1451606291 304450 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/1492
< 1451606292 141624 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/1492: No such file or directory
< 1451606292 628142 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable173.181-178-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is terrible.
< 1451606295 434401 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo \"Hello, world!\" \ fi" > bin/1492
< 1451606298 284809 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1451606303 436660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1492
< 1451606304 18990 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/1492: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/1492: cannot execute: Permission denied
< 1451606321 538250 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I did something wrong.
< 1451606371 444809 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chmod" hth
< 1451606392 137343 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, newlines
< 1451606397 437931 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are not actual \s