< 1449273616 117755 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted a more thought-out question here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34099489/printing-out-178-character-string-in-270-lines-of-brainfck < 1449273628 996662 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cool, thanks for all the help dude < 1449273918 363006 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, seems unlikely < 1449273982 192055 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hmms* lines? < 1449274128 341412 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i hope so, but having one of gil or tarvek die tragically _would_ be a "traditional" way to resolve the love triangle... < 1449274160 235795 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the untraditional way has already been lampshaded, of course, but whether the foglios actually dare to _use_ it...) < 1449274189 897482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I suppose Tarvek could get out and live while Gil gets stuck in the time bubble < 1449274209 466174 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the kind of twist the Foglios seem to love ;) < 1449274216 838271 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work because the dreen said gil will go to paris. < 1449274240 343386 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... right < 1449274252 227535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though did they say when?) < 1449274321 31595 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, gil showed up in the time windows, tarvek didn't. < 1449274363 885303 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tarvek dying would be disturbingly consistent. < 1449274403 56830 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. but why now... why not in Paris? < 1449274412 110524 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Agatha's arms, perhaps :P < 1449274416 5725 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1449274435 12247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway... we'll see. < 1449274446 148389 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, if he's not to die promptly _someone_ needs to get an antidote, stat < 1449274450 96215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I wonder whether we'll get to see another Paris strip this year... < 1449274499 460326 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there might be some twist in _who's_ attacking. maybe they actually came to warn them... < 1449274502 882846 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or amputate the head quickly enough :P < 1449274511 599973 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Hmm, tricky. But I've seen worse.") < 1449274553 686951 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would rather hamper tarvek's bid for the storm king post... (he _has_ been dead already but it's not common knowledge.) < 1449274747 686969 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as has agatha, but the castle decides _that_ family's inheritance rules. < 1449274864 454878 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they suspect something, they might keep him in a time envelope like they did with vole < 1449274884 470371 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :until they find out how to cure it < 1449274919 469813 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fdwefizentulgluc JOIN :#esoteric < 1449274919 851428 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if he'll ever get used to this stupid hard disk's parking sound < 1449274947 150704 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with a simple click (i used to find _those_ annoying too...) < 1449275128 397837 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the service documents say what brand of hard disk it is... < 1449275241 457231 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe it's actually in this menu < 1449275323 971794 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449275380 613799 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend of mine submitted a paper to arxiv with a typo in its title < 1449275477 137678 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often does it happen? < 1449275489 258656 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/1512.00766 < 1449275797 278891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :entering wrong metadata can't be that uncommon... I expect it can easily be fixed... < 1449275822 913958 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to submit a new version < 1449276106 930047 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Do fish get thirsty? < 1449276301 806244 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1449277485 514655 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hgst.com/products/hard-drives/travelstar-z5k500 "quiet operation" < 1449277527 184395 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the power management settings in windows say it'll only be turned off after 20 minutes. this happens far more often. < 1449277583 81881 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes this will be fixed in the heap of windows updates that are waiting to be installed... < 1449278291 118884 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1449278299 918696 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1449279637 893322 :andrew!~andrew@14.152.94.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449279745 554565 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heloerjan < 1449279783 172192 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :try changing it to 30 minutes < 1449279821 724054 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fail to see how that would help when it's parking several times a minute. < 1449279827 520263 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*winding down < 1449279854 211180 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam QUIT :Quit: Newyorkadam < 1449279856 136391 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it might be an idea to change it just to see if something gets set... < 1449279907 637494 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts it at 21 < 1449279928 750290 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there it wound down again. < 1449279944 563792 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure that it's in minutes and not seconds? < 1449279954 661305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1449279958 51279 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite sure. < 1449279977 778322 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :try 1000 minutes < 1449279995 373937 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1449279999 713923 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1449280056 567293 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose getting the units in the driver wrong is silly enough to be plausible... except i doubt it's the hard disk driver that counts those minutes... < 1449280096 134736 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well getting the units wrong in windows itself would be even sillier, i guess < 1449280237 374943 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, did it again < 1449280253 860733 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1000 / 60 < 1449280255 278894 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16.666666666666668 < 1449280264 123715 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1449280271 96308 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(took a long time before the next disk pause, but then only 5-10 secs until winding down < 1449280274 3168 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1449280302 306183 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1449280326 53088 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure the disk isn't defective < 1449280345 478002 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the disk is new. i suppose it could be... < 1449280357 51662 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what happens if you try disabling disk parking < 1449280368 270161 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to do that. < 1449280405 415717 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also parking shouldn't be the same as winding down like this :( < 1449280449 644832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I change the setting for font smoothing in Firefox in Linux? < 1449280484 31267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of my other programs do not use antialiasing and cleartype and I want to disable it on Firefox too < 1449280671 428276 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why would you want to disable antialiasing ._. < 1449280677 732335 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit the hdd driver is supposedly already up to date < 1449280762 734498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want all programs to use bitmap fonts by default < 1449280825 993368 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam JOIN :#esoteric < 1449280918 996945 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :antialiasing is crap that's why < 1449280957 642014 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fonts should be designed to fit the screen without being blurry < 1449281082 179652 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your fonts are blurry then you need more hinting xD < 1449281095 86676 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hinting doesn't do shit < 1449281100 787433 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does for me < 1449281103 300255 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone else < 1449281156 295361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found in /etc/fonts/conf.d and I deleted 70-no-bitmaps.conf and 10-antialias.conf from that directory; it doesn't seem to affect Firefox? < 1449281210 762293 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: no, most people are just used to looking at blurry text < 1449281255 105609 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449281413 662308 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, with hinting + AA http://i.imgur.com/zXM3ZVg.png, no hinting (really blurry) http://i.imgur.com/YNTsVYS.png, no AA http://i.imgur.com/EYvYhwa.png < 1449281425 368471 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hinting and AA make it much more readable TBH :/ < 1449281433 937893 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449281489 422598 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also im using subpixel smoothing, normal AA is blurry < 1449281519 788694 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hola <-- darn no one remembered to `bienvenido? < 1449281548 51034 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: like I said, you're using a badly designed font and then compensating by using antialiasing and subpixel rendering. < 1449281593 379944 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you antialias a square peg to fit in a round hole? < 1449281596 789012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you are trying to use a printer font on the screen improperly < 1449281631 306361 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use a font that is designed to fit exactly into the pixel grid, then antialiasing will make it look worse, not better < 1449281864 965005 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame Microsoft < 1449281951 532552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not using Microsoft; it is Mozilla < 1449282022 47949 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? Have you turned off Cleartype? < 1449282108 953575 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: for a good example of a font that fits into pixel grids exaclty, compare MS PMincho (pixel perfect) to Times New Roman (Requires AA) < 1449282139 563090 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about different text scales? < 1449282220 689002 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a font is already pixel perfect, it would look the same with hinting? < 1449282250 170701 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually fonts like PMincho contain several sets of bitmaps for common smaller sizes, plus vector paths for large sizes < 1449282362 171542 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: no, what they usually do is use a flag in the TTF or OTF format that tells the renderer specifically NOT to anti-alias the font at small sizes < 1449282392 238894 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whats the issue with having AA and hinting? < 1449282392 400890 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :without that flag, it will blur it < 1449282427 534181 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it's the wrong solution to the problem < 1449282436 803882 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see how < 1449282479 799053 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without it most of my fonts look like shit and are really choppy < 1449282487 200762 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bemvindo < 1449282504 149844 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most of your fonts are not designed for a computer screen < 1449282512 971627 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449282521 13927 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the font designers had time to make their fonts look good at all scales without AA they would < 1449282540 11088 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese font designers have time < 1449282561 290835 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProofTechnique: i don't think we have a portuguese version yet? < 1449282567 435109 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have time to do it for 1000's of kanji for that matter < 1449282640 519344 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-. so? < 1449282649 908898 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt make my fonts more readable < 1449282661 447002 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :subpixel smoothing and hinting do < 1449282667 317393 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1449282685 986842 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless someone can redesign every single font < 1449282696 223921 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they work better at smaller sizes < 1449282859 299848 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, all I'm saying is in Japan subpixel smoothing is not used at all in the most common fonts. Dunno about Korea or China but I would suspect the same. < 1449282952 977090 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to http://www.asahi.com/ for example. Do you see subpixel smoothing on that page? I sure don't. < 1449283018 511623 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it would be possible to read that with subpixel smoothing < 1449283148 595504 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the banner with ノーベル賞 < 1449283148 794360 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS < 1449283148 956711 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :米銃乱射事件 < 1449283148 956790 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COP21 < 1449283148 956824 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :児童虐待の現場から < 1449283158 427869 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has subpixel smoothing < 1449283177 535523 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for spam, sneaky newlines < 1449283268 399903 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is quite difficult to read. Even worse in my client :( < 1449283271 251099 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rzpqdxccojdzdgpp QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449283290 348319 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you're right < 1449283307 926562 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else is crisp though < 1449283328 879358 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :勝,戦,頂 would be impossible to read without AA, the lack of subpixel smoothing on the larger sized text makes it blurry < 1449283343 981078 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, looks blurry for me < 1449283356 604569 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1449283383 57895 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449283434 589186 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/VJs0Qsg.png < 1449283480 237800 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oi63.tinypic.com/t6tgf8.jpg < 1449283516 886525 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate tinypic < 1449283536 488931 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1449283587 164088 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of fonts, does anyone have a good tool to convert a PCF into a TTF or something? < 1449283611 907405 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6+ adverisements, popups everywhere, that link isnt an actual .jpg unless you give it a referer header < 1449283618 377174 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimg.org/image/km8tpxpf9/ < 1449283621 693063 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has taken over 60s for the image to load < 1449283661 485635 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you have AA disabled < 1449283670 184232 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1449283693 340211 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the font < 1449283721 608983 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the font has AA but not subpixel < 1449283726 954983 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me < 1449283728 999036 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1449283748 489122 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1449283777 31594 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The font has flags set that way < 1449283832 404295 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my system is ignoring them? < 1449283864 156609 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the term for when you discover something and get stuck reading it for hours? < 1449283882 502251 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's prbably ignoring the GASP table, or you don't have the MS PMincho font < 1449283901 833163 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/gasp.htm < 1449283936 200559 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is https://esolangs.org/forum/ < 1449283941 554596 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why is it so bad < 1449283961 257602 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1449284025 120863 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: archive binge hth < 1449284063 721070 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the forum has been dead since 2009 < 1449284095 323434 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should re make it xD < 1449284129 906246 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: it's just an archive now, it got so much more spam than actual posts that we just closed it when elliott took over the wiki < 1449284165 78876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449284166 621285 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is elliott anyway? < 1449284168 182218 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :remaking it seems doomed since there's no reason it would be different now < 1449284194 663845 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott lost interest in the channel and left < 1449284206 653818 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how so < 1449284228 36543 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think captchas have been invented now < 1449284229 419863 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: it's not the first esoforum to die, the mailing lists did so before < 1449284270 850063 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the forum now is the talk pages < 1449284271 231814 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's /r/esolangs on reddit btw, it's almost but not quite dead < 1449284295 155141 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which have the advantage that hackego announces each change here < 1449284296 919158 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, im thinking of making a website designed to teach people esolangs < 1449284316 445241 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like hackthissite but challenges with esolangs < 1449284339 613566 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1449284346 653239 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: archive binge is for the activity < 1449284355 206592 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait < 1449284356 385654 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1449284361 179559 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is subject/object < 1449284364 474650 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I archive binge a comic < 1449284370 753913 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comic ?????es me < 1449284400 492635 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i don't know < 1449284412 984305 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449284432 127467 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also wikiwalk for another instance < 1449284640 849370 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well there's "draw ... in" i guess < 1449284669 197111 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/coins < 1449284679 548386 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords < 1449284689 905933 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} < 1449284695 482389 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saligeter fla 1ml difying hangoint fetie ravi monsta mal frea catchdndh teme bearj tript nanegle tbf antinar veliul goul montiner < 1449284708 320285 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of a name for my database query language based on category theory. < 1449284722 617212 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :catabase < 1449284786 358526 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :REL is the category of relations iirc hth < 1449284905 664546 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-saexjxtkmdanevze JOIN :#esoteric < 1449285348 35217 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh the disk winding down seems to have stopped. < 1449285379 2307 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now there's some clicking instead. i guess this is not a good sign... < 1449285444 807079 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changes the windows setting down from 1000 mins to 21 mins again, just in case... < 1449285627 969178 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, I kind of want to just think of an arbitrary word and stick a Q in it. < 1449285744 974659 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: get a new computer < 1449285761 507124 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queece. Quines. Qrew. Quendy. < 1449285796 88874 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qonstellation. Quirthmark. < 1449285854 591503 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quins. Quaternal. < 1449285863 230013 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qualls. < 1449285868 650650 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anyone see the trend here?) < 1449285871 869977 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Query < 1449285892 1689 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I like it. It's like a portmanteau of "query" and "query". < 1449285952 430734 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. Quack. Queen. Quellow. Qued. Quue. < 1449286005 996949 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: erm i just got this back from the repair shop, the hdd is new as i said. < 1449286018 382283 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I'm ready to just start trying arbitrary meaningless words. < 1449286034 261351 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the winding down came back. < 1449286115 647144 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quaniel. < 1449286136 65433 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queel. < 1449286145 814182 :andrew!~andrew@14.152.94.19 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449286162 488930 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, how about... Qone? < 1449286636 986235 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1449286755 468967 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quendle? I like the way that sounds. < 1449286764 465142 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ this is terrifying. Fontforge does not autotrace well at small sizes < 1449286844 633059 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. It'll do. < 1449286854 875742 :andrew!~andrew@59.38.97.7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449286864 269785 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1449287231 368167 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :here this is the autotraced version http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemowtf.htm < 1449287245 757036 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to e confused with fontdemo.htm < 1449287344 966024 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, autotracing it in a normal way makes it a halloween font < 1449287386 285506 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I have my complex procedure < 1449287766 890614 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :shortest someone can get “”See you in another life, brotha!" - Desmond Humes” in brainfuck? < 1449288262 296062 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve gotten it to 305 < 1449288264 287840 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this program did < 1449288458 345305 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1449289178 567906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made calculation of the first, second, and third derivative of Bezier curves. < 1449289434 453944 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1449289456 716405 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449290220 157238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it means, if the jerk is zero then the middle control point have the same direction as the end point from each other but only one third of the distance < 1449290461 576225 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam QUIT :Quit: Newyorkadam < 1449290560 58532 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I am interested in writing an interpreted language, should I learn java? I see a LOT of mentionings of java in interpreters. < 1449290689 122158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to use Java; there are other programming languages to use < 1449290721 449832 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cleartpye really screws things up when background: green; color: fuchsia; < 1449290769 918278 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just curious as I see java everywhere while looking at languages. Must jut be a very very commonly used language. < 1449290822 364375 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the lingua franca among the younger generation of application coders < 1449290849 23605 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm weird in multiple ways. 18 and I main C. < 1449290851 884984 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially those trained at school < 1449290913 511299 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write C++ for my job < 1449290945 549263 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, what type of applications do you make in C++ < 1449290963 951845 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I work on the backend of Hound < 1449290996 153961 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.soundhound.com/hound <-- this < 1449291065 159160 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned to code on my own and didn't take courses until university, so I didn't learn much java < 1449291113 801834 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To an acceptable degree I know C, C++, Perl, VB, Python, and PHP. < 1449291127 749002 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and C# < 1449291134 239417 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :First language I touched was java, because I was lazy and tired of manually doing time dialation calculations. Also, I'm having issues finding sources for 4DL, any tips? < 1449291166 282025 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see a benefit in having to go to a university in order to learn programming, since i already know C++, C, Lua, PHP, GLSL, OpenCL < 1449291196 887593 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on using dat arm/thumb in real world robotics < 1449291222 561943 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam JOIN :#esoteric < 1449291268 306184 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really dont like java < 1449291273 671720 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made sure to take a lot of math, rather than CS, in uni, that way I learned more. (My degree was still in CS) < 1449291297 34657 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. I took advanced calculus and number theory < 1449291301 544667 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i could be better at math < 1449291337 542632 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i still havent used anything more complicated than trig for physics and simulation programs < 1449291417 123162 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cost/benefit of a university degree is getting worse and worse < 1449291442 906212 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1449291493 373572 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I've told younger friends of mine: don't get a degree unless your parents are paying. < 1449291498 450725 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially a CS degree is useless if you dont know the programming language the job requires < 1449291577 111536 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: I'm not so sure, when I got my first job I told them flatly I dodn't know any PHP, but apparently I'm the only one applied who could write a working program in any language... < 1449291579 527458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I program in C and BASIC and TeX and 6502 assembly language < 1449291603 752633 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they hired me and I spent the first week learning php < 1449291607 961921 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 asm :o not many people do that anymore < 1449291622 166085 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do, for modding NES games < 1449291645 794996 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahah, you guys seem way out of my league. I was considering getting some assembly practice in (i do some smali programming, assembly isn't far off) < 1449291670 112674 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, i did PHP when i was 13/14 xD it seems to be getting worse and worse the more i look back at it < 1449291708 472990 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and also a few months ago modding PHPBB < 1449291715 366801 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is horrible and I was very glad when summer and that contract ended < 1449291850 778210 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.. how hard is it to write an interpreter for an existing language? < 1449291894 978885 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the language. if it has a clear definition then pretty easy < 1449291919 324886 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/4DL < 1449292125 952011 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be ok. < 1449292142 658964 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah pretty easy < 1449292348 486793 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the source for one (that doesnt seem to work) in c++, im skimming it and it doesn't seem too hard. Just new. < 1449292380 418862 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam QUIT :Quit: Newyorkadam < 1449292510 27645 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449292641 632566 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam JOIN :#esoteric < 1449292680 467904 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449292787 945832 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1449292855 573173 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :new xkcd < 1449292880 675916 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, I rerely have a cold that last more than 2 days < 1449292957 700811 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to do in brainfuck in 324 characters what a program did in 302!! < 1449293077 862425 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it do? < 1449293244 943175 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :prints out “See ya in another life, brotha!" - Desmond Hume” < 1449293252 316627 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam PRIVMSG #esoteric :just realized if forgot the comma.. < 1449293343 125436 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. I made a program in befunge-98 (1903 characters) that does **basically** the same thing a program i made in C (2254 characters) does < 1449293430 40965 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam QUIT :Quit: Newyorkadam < 1449295045 744604 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449295489 10319 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449295501 340058 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PART :#esoteric < 1449295534 999065 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449295610 131346 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungegolfing! < 1449296177 344110 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i wonder if the inventor of su doku was envisioning a 3x3x3x3 4-cube. i wonder if the original notes said "every axis-aligned hyperplane slices through exactly the digits 1-9 in some order" < 1449298278 69169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karplusan Forest will damage you immediately and City of Brass will damage you later so you still get a chance to do other stuff. Isn't it? < 1449300043 2633 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: a command line sudoku game which sits in the login shell of the user `doku` so that `su doku` runs it < 1449300056 150260 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(credit goes to quintopia) < 1449300293 772603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK, do that < 1449301228 635932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up several more Magic: the Gathering cards as well as a new puzzle. < 1449301962 631442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use " dd cbs=1 conv=unblock 2> /dev/null | tr \\n +" instead of "utftovlq 8w | tr \\0 +" < 1449302197 969017 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( i feel like every time i join a community there is nobody on my skill level < 1449305662 136234 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449306492 979911 :ProofTechnique!~Ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1449306755 156488 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449308009 816323 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1449308453 633956 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449308846 894164 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449308972 825756 :Guest74908!~sprocklem@131.104.23.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449310682 942346 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449310996 697510 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-106-73.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1449312069 94878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449316711 120105 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fdwefizentulgluc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1449316732 728242 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449316732 890212 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1449316732 890273 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1449317351 717264 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1449318426 800392 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449319109 478358 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449319731 695515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mobile phone is like an old video game. there's a menu where if I enter the menu and start scrolling it rightaway, it scrolls slow, but if I instead wait a few deciseconds and then start scrolling, it scrolls much faster, so the latter is faster if I want to move enough. < 1449321907 656134 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MATL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45783&oldid=45782 5* 03Luis Mendo 5* (+0) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */ < 1449322768 132718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that was quick. < 1449322776 655749 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what I messed up < 1449324222 800704 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449324297 489653 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1449324297 651619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 23h 30m 49s ago: Never! < 1449325821 388633 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449325970 997321 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449325987 748485 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449326503 189687 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449326604 935871 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_hello_jonas! < 1449326608 923638 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1449326647 767791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren < 1449326669 404414 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added 龍根案梅械植業極様標横橋機残殺毒波泣注泳 < 1449326670 43164 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :洋流浅浴消深清灯然焼照熱 < 1449326677 877278 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1449326743 200063 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily < 1449326751 899441 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: can't watch now, I'm busy doing real life stuff < 1449326770 392086 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan, b_jhellonas, he\\oren\! < 1449326789 247989 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: progressing through the kyōiku? < 1449326789 409946 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mesing up my computer and stuff like that < 1449326797 726646 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers are real life. < 1449326812 506894 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: eaxcty < 1449327924 38108 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on the contour extraction, for the preparation of the real font < 1449327944 704810 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly speaking that's annoying than drawing glyphs :S < 1449328057 14137 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449328115 554089 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449328122 207122 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heverywellone. < 1449328168 970551 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm calling my language Quendle for the time being. < 1449328175 767193 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswelcomett < 1449328197 928650 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yørjan. < 1449328789 789524 :andrew!~andrew@59.38.97.7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449329043 156400 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate printers < 1449330467 127475 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@131.104.23.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449330491 384968 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@131.104.23.9 NICK :Guest81266 < 1449330681 146139 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: have you anointed your printer with the blood of your enemies? filled its ink cartridges with dark ichor from abyssal depths? turned it off and on again? < 1449331061 289976 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took out the ink and did the ink shaking dance, that got it working < 1449331112 430642 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1449331162 543911 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you use a pentagram for dancing in < 1449331222 311997 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm poisonous ink... < 1449331258 706706 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: now i'm imagining tech support for supervillains < 1449331313 840571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pentagram with candles, and an altar stained with the blood of previous sacrifices? < 1449331371 230604 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm disappointed by a lack of youtube hits < 1449331533 642665 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly encouraged by getting this hit from "necromancer tech support" http://necrodancer.com/faq.php < 1449331883 408584 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :龍根案梅械植業極様標横橋機残殺毒波泣注泳 < 1449331927 339202 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid cut buffer < 1449332364 439312 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-opfajrrauzzqzele QUIT :Read error: Network is unreachable < 1449332404 786190 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wgewpzhimipkeeyv JOIN :#esoteric < 1449332728 314095 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449332887 151052 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449333734 115108 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1449333804 622989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy saturday boily < 1449334307 600868 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesnt http://esolangs.org/wiki/MATL show up on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Golfing_language ? Neither does Seriously. < 1449334373 306529 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's that old caching bug < 1449334429 723476 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both show up for me. < 1449334443 689467 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well on https, and i'm logged in. < 1449334447 422518 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1449334490 932976 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shows up logged in over http and https < 1449334498 469051 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't show up logged out on either < 1449334505 602414 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i see 11 when logged in, but only 5 without < 1449334580 350541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Category:Golfing language14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45784&oldid=44566 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10ye olde caching bug workaround < 1449334599 357017 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, try now < 1449334637 715864 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, it might be the same with severals categories < 1449334640 897936 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s < 1449335234 440561 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. do anonymous users get cached versions? < 1449335242 206771 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1449335282 357016 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is/was a bug for Categories where they don't get recached unless you edit the category page itself < 1449335310 200232 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i suppose it must still be there, since those languages are new < 1449335355 410185 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask fizzie any idea how to fix the category caching bug on the wiki? see logs. < 1449335355 572152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449335691 542959 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinsatopiarday! < 1449336087 509600 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 86400 "" < 1449336090 267198 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "15180" < 1449336593 903241 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Alas. < 1449336643 675786 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1449336839 979954 :jaboja64!~jaboja@83.20.113.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449337031 113597 :jaboja!~jaboja@eru167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449337079 431042 :jaboja64!~jaboja@83.20.113.49 NICK :jaboja < 1449337339 889661 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449338200 791651 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-179-104.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449338287 809208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No idea. Is this some sort of a know MediaWiki thing? < 1449338310 30410 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1449338330 384860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been a bit lax in updating the soft ware, but I'll get to that one of these days. < 1449338388 480900 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoken like a true sysadmin. < 1449338423 971873 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: québécois word of the day: "amodné" (subjective spelling). < 1449338447 275544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, based on some quick browsing, it sounds like it's our use of $wgUseFileCache = true; which is self-admittedly "simplistic". < 1449338629 478534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least could be. The documentation says special pages aren't cached, but maybe categories aren't special. < 1449338966 475033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't find any caches on the server, though. < 1449338980 61012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other than some js/css stuff.) < 1449338993 563927 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is that pronounced something like /amodne/? < 1449339016 799031 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've discussed this bug before, maybe ais523 remembers something. < 1449339094 583975 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category#Adding_a_category_by_using_a_template "When you edit an article to add a category tag directly, the list of category members is updated immediately when the page is saved." < 1449339106 263304 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's clearly not _supposed_ to work this way in general. < 1449339108 103335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there they are. < 1449339191 356197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache/4/44/Category%3AGolfing_language.html says "This page was last modified on 5 December 2015, at 16:55" and "The following 11 pages are in this category, out of 11 total." < 1449339194 836895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's up to date. < 1449339227 651692 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what does that mean? < 1449339239 593516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you/someone did something manual to make it refresh. < 1449339265 116548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any other examples of stale categories I could check for in the file cache? < 1449339310 203591 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: past participle of "amodner". < 1449339337 356172 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, i used a "null edit" on that particular page. < 1449339364 275821 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it is possible that a Purge would have been enough, if i had remembered it. < 1449339426 64773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache/e/ea/Category%3AStack-based.html doesn't contain MATL, and says "This page was last modified on 13 February 2006, at 14:44." < 1449339427 685228 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Stack-based < 1449339436 840754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got there a bit ahead of you. < 1449339443 993393 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1449339473 462154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it seems like it's quite wrong. Incidentally, how stale is it -- how many entries there are logged in? < 1449339487 127726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(171 in the cached one.) < 1449339521 313451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, there's even a comment < 1449339572 884122 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that recently? then it must occasionally get cached... < 1449339576 668918 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*recached < 1449339581 585892 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :without an edit. < 1449339616 81879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's supposed to work; there's some stuff about invalidation in the docs. < 1449339624 463434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:File_cache#category_pages_in_cache_do_not_get_updated -- but other people have had problems with it. < 1449339650 465982 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1449339656 78017 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1449339661 493301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a &action=purge workaround mentioned, but not whether it's fixed in some version. < 1449339677 694657 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: close, but very not quite :D < 1449339693 449079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both linked-to bug reports are still open. < 1449339723 890222 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1449339724 564654 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: a butchered conflagration of "à un moment donné": "at a given moment". figuratively "eventually", probably close to inch'allah. < 1449339752 936052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, one was closed as a dupe of the first one. < 1449339846 250626 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar MATL < 1449339846 607531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1449339916 914706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1449339917 157690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 051820Z AUTO 22017KT 9999 BKN023 13/08 Q1016 NOSIG < 1449339926 806056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so bizarre, 13 degrees in December. < 1449340011 18544 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI < 1449340011 267812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 051820Z VRB01KT CAVOK 01/M01 Q1032 NOSIG < 1449340012 761123 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disgusting! < 1449340018 842210 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's outrageous! < 1449340021 198544 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you're talking about. < 1449340021 616062 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1449340021 853430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 051800Z 24016KT 15SM OVC023 06/01 A3061 RMK SC8 SLP366 < 1449340039 183500 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oqfhdcnphujfkazo JOIN :#esoteric < 1449340210 509771 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i see some mention of simply deleting the cached category files < 1449340314 516144 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449340347 301962 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello all. I'm trying to shorten the following brainfuck code and was wondering if there was a way to do it < 1449340352 321262 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++++[>++++>++++++++++>++++++++++++>+++++++++++++>++++++++++++++>+++++++++++++++<<<<<<-] < 1449340384 256967 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that made by bf_txtgen < 1449340467 869686 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. myself < 1449340525 968986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, I assume I could do that every now and then as a crummy workaround. < 1449340580 431753 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry, wasn't meant for me < 1449340590 39837 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaw600: yes it was < 1449340606 976626 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks very much similar to what bf_txtgen puts at the beginning < 1449340616 760160 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello, world! < 1449340618 204730 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? then no, it wasn't made by a textgen. By me < 1449340626 878297 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​125 +++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++++++>+++++>+<<<<-]>.>++.+++++++..+++.>-.------------.<++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.>+.>+. [836] < 1449340674 363787 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean. I studied Wikipedia's Hello World and based it off of that so the general idea's the same but it was by me < 1449340682 615374 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 8*length"+++++++++++++++" < 1449340684 539663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 120 < 1449340737 117883 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaw600: o hai! you should use multiplication tables. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants < 1449340786 670489 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't think that's going to be shorter for initializing several cells < 1449340809 123901 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... something like >++++>++++++>++>+>+>+[[<+>>++++++++<-]<]> ? < 1449340842 608770 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's an infinite loop < 1449340879 48109 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaw600: you could try experimenting with making the initial ++++++++ a different length (say twice as long). although int-e looks like he has a smarter idea. < 1449340880 968721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on how exactly it needs to be equivalent, a nested ++++++++++[->+>+>+>+<<<<-]>++>+++>++++>+++++ replacing some of ++++++++++>++++++++++++>+++++++++++++>++++++++++++++>+++++++++++++++<<<< might be worth it. < 1449340882 781139 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I think it'd be longer to use that for initializing several cells, but thanks :) < 1449340901 600640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't mind a gap. < 1449340905 596673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foodtime. -> < 1449340912 200786 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks fizzie < 1449340948 608262 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as equivalencies go, I just need the contents of the cells to be the same, but the actual position doesn't need to be fixed < 1449341133 321947 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that I'd need 8*4, 8*10, and then 8*12...8*15. The order in which those appear is not as important to me < 1449341194 419562 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 80 < 1449341195 858831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'P' < 1449341315 92848 :jaboja!~jaboja@83.20.113.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449341347 539989 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i think int-e is on the right track < 1449341361 235945 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e? < 1449341376 49312 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmmm... something like >++++>++++++>++>+>+>+[[<+>>++++++++<-]<]> ? < 1449341382 717145 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@151.42.4.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449341421 167956 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sun is up. time to sleep. < 1449341426 981835 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :night boily < 1449341449 922188 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >++++>++++++>++>+>+>+[[<+>>++++++++<-]<]>[.>] < 1449341450 940095 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1449341452 670084 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>++++>++++++>++>+>+>+>+[<]>>[<[>+<<++++++++>-]>>]<<<[<] actually produces the right numbers, but the [<] in there are silly. < 1449341454 524310 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1449341457 485701 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia. no? < 1449341466 210900 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you stay up all night without me? < 1449341515 736990 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. I slept a full 8 hours as usual. but I need a nap :) < 1449341525 410252 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well he said he didn't mind the order, so you could reverse them < 1449341534 930283 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do a very good job of leaving when i get here EVERY DAMN DAY < 1449341541 793009 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD NIGHT < 1449341549 176326 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'LL BE BACH. < 1449341551 606766 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :K < 1449341559 441035 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I like the order as is since it's in my order anyway, but yeah, the order itself itself isn't as important. thanks int-e :) < 1449341561 769767 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: VASCULAR CHICKEN < 1449341596 35449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>+>+>+>+>++>++++++>++++<[>[<+>>++++++++<-]<<]>>> produces the same numbers in reverse order and places the pointer on the 8*15 < 1449341618 208487 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a long time since this channel was BFgolf < 1449341682 548144 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a really good program for producing fairly short versions of various strings (not perfect, but better than bf_txtgen in most cases) < 1449341689 38108 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a hunch flaw600 might want to start on the 8*10 < 1449341735 629192 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I do actually, thanks oerjan. But thanks you two. I was trying to get something like that (the >+>+>+ thing) but I'm new to bf so I couldn't figure it out < 1449341759 427413 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks int-e :) < 1449341767 920994 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well int-e did most of the thinking because i'm too lazy :) < 1449341796 399643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the sequence of numbers? < 1449341807 271745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry i'm too lazy to multiply) < 1449341812 849928 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: there's a program? I haven't seen one that bests what I'd written in terms of code length. Would you mind linking me? That said, I like doing stuff outside of generators cause it helps me learn < 1449341835 983543 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 32, 80, 96, 104, 112, 120 < 1449341837 67933 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask But will you be J.S. or P.D.Q.? < 1449341837 229830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449341844 870579 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boily But will you be J.S. or P.D.Q.? < 1449341845 32466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1449341845 380465 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (chr . (8*)) [4,10,12,13,14,15] < 1449341847 150941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : " P`hpx" < 1449341854 91686 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1449341855 696353 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1449341860 616636 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Peter Schickele < 1449342015 66875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaw600: http://www.49-6-dev.net/downloads/bfcompopowpit.zip < 1449342030 953479 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1449342131 279401 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool thanks. What I'm trying to print out is "This language is easy!!!" but I'm trying to do it w/o a generator b/c a) I haven't seen one that bests 206 (well, now 171) and two, I'm trying to learn and imo it's hard to understand something you didn't write yourself < 1449342156 757681 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks int-e for the help :) < 1449342290 330856 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that file apparently doesn't open? < 1449342334 55772 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1449342345 324130 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's a corrupted file? < 1449342441 104891 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1449342815 11715 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any rate, I really appreciate the help all. At the very least, it's helped me understand pointers a lot better (you all and brainfuck in general) < 1449343065 374956 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449343624 805552 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++[>++++<-]>[>+++++>++++++>+++++++>++<<<<-]>++++.>++++++++.+.>+++.>.<-------.<--------.>++.<++++++.>+++++++.<------.++++++.--.>>.<<++++.>--.>.<<----.----.>.++++++.>+... < 1449343625 227420 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language is easy!!! < 1449343874 598257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lucky me, that's 170 characters) < 1449343923 68598 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1449344019 793218 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what'd you do that with? yourself or a generator? < 1449344025 941291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myself < 1449344030 816295 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1449344035 361769 :jaboja!~jaboja@ert49.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1449344055 231052 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is now: < 1449344056 375453 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>++++>++++++>++>+>+>+>+[<]>>[<[>+<<++++++++>-]>>]<<<[<]>>++++.>>.+.>+++.<<<<.>>>+++.<+.>++.<++++++.>>++.<<------.++++++.--.<<.>>++++.>>--.<<<<.>>----.----.>>.>+.<<<<<+... < 1449344072 813655 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the idea that perhaps 6 cells are too many) < 1449344087 191234 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh idc about performance < 1449344098 255824 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>++++>++++++>++>+>+>+>+[<]>>[<[>+<<++++++++>-]>>]<<<[<]>>++++.>>.+.>+++.<<<<.>>>+++.<+.>++.<++++++.>>++.<<------.++++++.--.<<.>>++++.>>--.<<<<.>>----.----.>>.>+.<<<<<+... < 1449344098 419393 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language is easy!!! < 1449344146 631347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a trade-off: Using more cells means larger initialization code and more characters used for traveling (< and >)... it's not clear what the best choice is. < 1449344157 274373 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1449344180 523299 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but given the 1 char diff idrc. thanks though :) < 1449344196 559154 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like our code is fairly similar apart from the table initialization < 1449344237 330484 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. there's not much room for using loops here < 1449344245 669166 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1449344313 566875 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so you did 16 instead of 8? < 1449344380 795056 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's another trade-off. < 1449344411 421905 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(worse granularity, but fewer pluses inside the second loop) < 1449344419 768569 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. more plusses and minuses when getting to the right ASCII character right? < 1449344427 533287 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1449344506 40569 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[>+<+++]>. < 1449344506 420738 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :U < 1449344526 872492 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some more tricks like this that one could try (relying on overflow) < 1449344527 419148 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of ironic for BF to teach pointers, seeing as how it doesn't have any. < 1449344628 719458 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it doesn't but it explains the concept to me better than a c/C++ class/book < 1449344642 710394 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1449344666 507804 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program i linked (if it can be made to unzip and run) basically optimizes over number of cells and difference between cells to see which one gives the shortest source < 1449344702 24111 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: cool. I'll take a look at some point, but I wanna feel some pride in my code this time around :p < 1449344723 250399 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world is basic but teaches a lot :p < 1449344783 676565 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ironically code.sh uses 'pointers' :p < 1449344790 527010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I wanted to write a hello world program with fewer than 300 characters so I had to learn about loops..." < 1449344810 285487 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. lol < 1449344826 852956 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, which 10-character brainfuck program runs . the greatest number of times? < 1449344830 371615 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my fault that bf is ultra verbose < 1449344831 936007 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1449344851 932313 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume there are infinitely many cells, each holds a byte, you can't input, and going to the left of the initial cell causes the program to stab you in the face. < 1449344868 678391 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to copy input to output: ,[.,] is hard to beat < 1449344889 763472 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "unless" do you mean "if"? < 1449344927 112185 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so; I was refering to "bf is ultra verbose" < 1449344952 137348 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*referring < 1449344959 505360 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I meant compared to higher level languages < 1449344971 746625 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world is a lot shorter in HLLs < 1449345007 155698 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but admitedly, BF isn't always verobse < 1449345063 922290 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1449345071 913035 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's this cute Haskell program: < 1449345074 462367 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=interact id < 1449345139 447069 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/rm' > bin/you-can-only-run-this-once < 1449345145 970562 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/you-can-only-run-this-once < 1449345147 109906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449345149 427232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449345171 814252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` chmod -w bin/you-can-only-run-this-once < 1449345172 772507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449345182 337345 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh crap. < 1449345200 643446 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/rm -f' > bin/you-can-only-run-this-once < 1449345201 502491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: bin/you-can-only-run-this-once: Permission denied < 1449345209 279192 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm right. < 1449345209 534207 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1449345286 365601 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: also, what about symlinking the program? < 1449345303 243514 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know what that does. < 1449345318 819789 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/echo' > bin/echo-this < 1449345321 384673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449345328 717995 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s echo-this bin/echo-that < 1449345331 350422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449345332 800684 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo-this < 1449345333 648330 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/echo-this: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/echo-this: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1449345340 662163 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/echo-this < 1449345341 297287 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone explain symlinking? I've never understood that really beyond how TM uses it < 1449345343 279290 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449345344 616002 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo-this < 1449345345 479595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/echo-this < 1449345347 724845 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo-that < 1449345348 680749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/echo-that < 1449345406 966189 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaw600: well, a symbolic link is pretty much just a text file containing a filename. The special thing about it is that when you ask Linux to open up a symbolic link, it will generally pretend you asked it to open up the target file instead. < 1449345418 159808 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaw600: I don't get the question. "symlink" is a contraction of "symbolic link", which is a reference on a file system to another file (or directory) by name. < 1449345429 558093 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ah ok. thanks :) < 1449345432 393984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't get the TM there) < 1449345454 642059 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Time Machine. I know that's how TM saves backup space but I didn't really understand how it worked < 1449345467 403511 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I just told Linux to run /hackenv/bin/echo-that. Linux then saw that /hackenv/bin/echo-that is a symbolic link file containing the filename "echo-this", so it then ran /hackenv/bin/echo-this instead. < 1449345483 748002 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ah, kk. thanks :) < 1449345624 597191 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam JOIN :#esoteric < 1449345839 881830 :Newyorkadam!~Newyorkad@wikipedia/Newyorkadam QUIT :Client Quit < 1449345976 287491 :flaw600!~Flaw600@shell.openshells.net PART :#esoteric < 1449346143 181458 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbolic links: not very similar to pointers! < 1449346161 382089 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the concept is similar, but the behavior isn't. < 1449346257 961811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a funny analogy there... where mounting file systems becomes page table manipulation... < 1449346271 978656 :nchambers!nchambers@2604:180:2:6f9::257d PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D: < 1449346307 354766 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449346945 247401 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449346991 991698 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449348187 907091 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm bin/echo-th{is,at} < 1449348191 24034 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449348209 346760 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +w bin/you-can-only-run-this-once; echo '#!/bin/rm -f' > bin/you-can-only-run-this-once; chmod -w bin/you-can-only-run-this-once < 1449348212 361205 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449349159 731883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` you-can-only-run-this-once canary < 1449349161 690252 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1449349173 44138 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which you-can-only-run-this-once < 1449349175 929998 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/you-can-only-run-this-once < 1449349294 857622 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1449349313 896609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`you-can-only-run-this-once -i < 1449349344 545730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/rm: remove regular file `/hackenv/bin/you-can-only-run-this-once'? < 1449349428 99669 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449349687 208729 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1449349725 43284 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:1888:69a6:a5ba:cf91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449350580 315776 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:1888:69a6:a5ba:cf91 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449351911 88273 :B1ood!~B1ood@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1449351923 83353 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blood quit < 1449351923 472066 :B1ood!~B1ood@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye #esoteric, I will be back soon. < 1449351923 635320 :B1ood!~B1ood@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1449353822 463255 :BloodGod!~BloodGod@cpe-69-76-41-135.ma.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1449353907 83733 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1449355037 751337 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512118.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :szxrdftcyu < 1449355163 18808 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1449356537 145166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` tr a-z n-za-m <<