00:01:03 b_jhellonas. unuglifying the wiki? 00:01:09 @massages-loud 00:01:09 oerjan said 21h 24m 17s ago: no, my computer _is_ still working enough to copy more 00:01:10 int-e said 9h 18m 15s ago: would the translated chicken be moved to the other side of the road? 00:01:30 boily: unuglifying AND adding new content 00:01:43 int-ello. only if the road is affine. 00:01:54 b_jonas: Ō_Ō! 00:04:17 boily: Amycus is a new language (as in, it was published a few days ago), and has some very interesting properties that I'm still trying to figure out 00:04:30 I've already figured out a lot, but not everything of course 00:04:46 (you probably can't figure out everything, because it's an expressive enough programming language) 00:05:42 and figuring everything probably is isomorphic to the halting problem. 00:08:23 [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45527&oldid=45526 * B jonas * (+17949) 00:08:38 -!- ent0nces has joined. 00:09:16 -!- ent0nces has quit (Client Quit). 00:11:22 [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45528&oldid=45527 * B jonas * (-18043) 00:11:34 -!- ent0nces_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:19:49 -!- Vinegar has joined. 00:29:23 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:29:24 [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45529&oldid=45528 * B jonas * (+746) 00:32:18 [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45530&oldid=45529 * B jonas * (+0) 00:39:50 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:44:31 [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45531&oldid=45530 * B jonas * (+107) 00:49:36 [wiki] [[Brackit]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45532&oldid=45525 * Blakusl * (+508) /* Interpreters */ 00:49:59 [wiki] [[Brackit]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45533&oldid=45532 * Blakusl * (+6) /* Interpreters */ 00:53:15 [wiki] [[BotEngine]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45534&oldid=45304 * 69.138.247.193 * (+16) Added second infinite loop option 00:57:46 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:33:20 boily! 01:33:25 quintopia! 01:33:47 i hope you dont mind my golfing all the aubergine examples 01:34:02 im thinking about aubergine derivatives 01:34:16 * boily feels all warm and fuzzy ^^ 01:34:23 gâte-toé! 01:34:23 did you realize the : is not necessary for TCness? 01:34:30 eh? 01:34:55 with =i you can do computed gotos 01:36:11 heh. 01:37:30 I feel like I need to create another esoteric language. 01:37:58 questions: 01:38:12 why is o only available in = 01:39:40 because lazyness, p < 0.05. 01:39:48 w 01:40:18 i had to add extra code to prevent o being used elsewhere. 01:40:28 in python interp 01:40:38 why not I and O? 01:41:21 because extreme laziness :D 01:41:30 (did you just laugh with w?) 01:41:47 Hmmmmm. Hmmmmmmmmm. 01:42:01 tswellott. hmm? 01:42:15 Trying to think of esolang ideas. 01:42:26 Man, /// has got to be one of the best esolangs of all time. 01:43:17 @tell oerjan HAH! 01:43:17 Consider it noted. 01:44:07 @tell oerjan (uhm. disregard the previous HAH. I'm still having trouble with your family name not being Johansen.) 01:44:07 Consider it noted. 01:45:09 Neural nets are all the rage, right? Could I make an esolang based on backpropagation? 01:46:12 boily: i'm going to make like five aubergine derivatives :p 01:48:15 Here we go. Thue where instead of a string, you have a portion of a virtual knot. The generalized Reidemeister moves are implicit. 01:48:18 There, there's the language. 01:48:26 Someone write the spec please thanks. 01:49:29 potential names: Anatabine, cuscohygrine, solauricidine, solauricine, tomato, potato, datura, hyoscyameæ... 01:50:05 `cat bin/coins 01:50:06 words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords 01:51:25 `file bin/langs 01:51:26 bin/langs: ERROR: cannot open `bin/langs' (No such file or directory) 01:51:28 `run echo 'words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re '\''s/( |$)/lang\1/g'\' > bin/langs 01:51:30 No output. 01:51:31 `langs 01:51:32 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/langs: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/langs: cannot execute: Permission denied 01:51:39 `run chmod +x bin/langs 01:51:41 No output. 01:51:41 `langs 01:51:44 ddrenlang justoelang stalang suzylang wikingarchalang nandmuralang fureheanalang drailang baktariolang unineanitestelysinglefootorycogsdaulang spagheadlang kipjlang skolang maddulang tyalang toilang verblang malitylang syncorrlang agrava2klang 01:52:02 Unineanitestelysinglefootorycogsdaulang. 01:52:22 Or maybe I should call it "oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodland". 01:52:58 is that like CHEF but it has an extra instruction for leaving the cake out in the rain? 01:53:59 speaking of long ooooooooo names: who has nooodl morphed into again? 01:54:24 `? nooooodl 01:54:25 noooodl is the correct spelling 01:54:37 `? maur 01:54:37 maur? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 01:54:41 `? mauris 01:54:43 maur is the correct spelling 01:55:21 thachaf. 01:55:47 boily: you can reward me with a pooch pic hth 01:56:10 `thanks noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodland 01:56:11 Thanks, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodland. Thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodland. 01:56:32 boily: maybe aubergine-0, aubergine unlimited or just "Purple" 01:56:53 There's a song about potatoes, tomatoes, gravy and peas. 01:56:59 @google potatoes tomatoes gravy and peas 01:57:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6R5x1VP2b4 01:57:07 shachaf: did you watch the video I posted yesterday? it has wigged pooches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Seh9_sFv1Z4 01:57:42 quintopia: Purple. 01:58:44 boily: un cabot perruque? 02:00:30 «un cabot à perruque». 02:00:54 un pooch à wig 02:01:29 It turns out that the pooch game is wigged against you. 02:02:33 * boily thwacks shachaf with a sailor moon wigged mapole 02:04:21 that is a juwy-wigged contwaption 02:04:40 in the name of the Moon Moon, please stop! 02:06:58 -!- Vinegar has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:10:16 Un film à clef. 02:10:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:10:49 Limité à gauche. 02:10:57 * boily grabbes la clef à tswett to thwacke shachaf avec 02:11:07 limité à gauche? 02:11:33 ATWP I got it wrong. It's "limite à gauche". 02:11:51 tdnrh... 02:12:01 Limited to the left. 02:14:20 what is being limited to the left? 02:14:47 E que voyer. Bonne fortune. Parlaz français mais bon que je, porquoi je simplement supone. 02:15:32 -!- TodPunk has quit (Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something.). 02:16:07 tswett uses confusion. it's super effective. 02:17:25 what 02:17:31 you're never online when work is over 02:17:35 WHAT IS THIS MADNESS 02:19:23 i'm going to write the laziest version of aubergine: dedicated symbols for commands, all alphabet is registers and can be dereferenced. Due to lack of restrictions, implemementation could be cgolfed to a few short lines. 02:20:29 And then extend it: all digits represent themselves, all symbols that look like standard operations are commands that do those things 02:20:41 this sounds like betterave... 02:21:00 betterave is self-modifying? 02:21:13 -!- tromp has joined. 02:21:18 uuuh... nope. 02:22:32 this would definitely be auberginey 02:22:44 still very few commands, still only 2-arity 02:23:04 still entirely proceural 02:23:28 but just set up to make the interpreter as small as possible 02:23:41 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:23:43 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:23:43 -!- scoofy has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:23:45 -!- tswett has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:23:46 -!- kline has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:23:48 (and removing some annoying limitations) 02:23:59 also are you on my half of this netsplit? 02:24:08 -!- Melvar has joined. 02:24:26 -!- Warrigal has joined. 02:24:56 I am here. 02:25:00 -!- kline has joined. 02:25:01 -!- scoofy has joined. 02:25:41 (I have seen things... things I just choose not to talk about... Things that seem to offend everybody... Welcome to my study ♪) 02:28:18 time to compose the application of my head on my pillow. 02:28:42 bonne nuitopia! 02:28:56 -!- boily has quit (Quit: VIGESIMAL CHICKEN). 02:46:30 -!- Vinegar has joined. 02:57:10 over 3k points on codeeval \o/ 02:57:34 all from bash \o/ 03:03:56 -!- andrew__ has joined. 03:04:00 -!- Frooxius has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:04:11 -!- Frooxius has joined. 03:06:35 -!- nisstyre has quit (Changing host). 03:06:36 -!- nisstyre has joined. 03:07:59 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:08:15 WalText2i is working :) 03:08:23 My next step is to increase the eso- factor 03:09:22 Is there something akin to complex numbers for angles I can use to represent the (start, end) points for arcs and something for the radii of arcs and ellarcs? 03:10:24 \oren\: Would you happen to know of anything? 03:11:28 complex numbers 03:12:45 izabera: But those don't seem good for representing the start and end points for angles. 03:12:47 Or arcs 03:12:51 Arcs, not angles 03:13:12 you can write them in polar form 03:13:49 i don't know how to type greek letters 03:13:58 |z| (cos(phi)+ i sin(phi) 03:14:00 |z| (cos(phi)+ i sin(phi)) 03:14:27 i can't believe that i can type đ but not phi 03:14:34 stupid keyboard 03:17:50 Hm... 03:41:35 That gives me an idea 03:41:44 I could map the extra key in the top left of my laptop to dead_greek 03:53:55 izabera: φ Φ 03:53:58 I can type it now! 03:54:46 λαμβδα 03:54:54 καππα 03:56:03 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:57:43 i mapped rwin to compose, guess right ctrl can become dead_greek 04:03:37 https://github.com/dscharrer/void/tree/master/xkb oh you can add your own sequences 04:03:39 cool 04:16:53 <\oren\> UGGH 04:17:22 uggh? 04:17:22 <\oren\> I was trying to type something in greek then I somehow lost it 04:17:38 type it again? 04:17:55 get an editor that can undo your changes? 04:19:04 <\oren\> ηελλο 04:19:08 <\oren\> there 04:19:31 <\oren\> I can type greek letters by typing their names in japanese 04:19:41 so handy 04:21:16 <\oren\> i-ta epushiron ramuda ramuda omikuron 04:22:33 isn't it ramubuda ? 04:22:47 <\oren\> no, ramuda λ 04:23:46 sorry i forgot about the lamda calculus 04:25:06 -!- andrew__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:26:06 <\oren\> arufa be-ta ganma deruta epushiron ze-ta e-ta te-ta iota kappa ramuda myu- nyu- kushi- omikuron pai ro- shiguma tau yupushiron fai ki- pushi- omega 04:28:23 i'm confused 04:29:01 <\oren\> about what? 04:29:27 kushi- pushi- 04:29:43 <\oren\> ξ　ψ 04:29:51 sounds so weird 04:29:52 <\oren\> xi and psi 04:31:21 <\oren\> Ψ 04:31:46 <\oren\> θΘ 04:32:04 i also find confusing pai and fai but that's italian's fault 04:33:05 <\oren\> kushi- can also be gotten with kusai 04:34:17 <\oren\> however, kusai means "smelly" in japanese 臭い 04:36:34 myu- and nyu- -> mi ni ? 04:37:13 <\oren\> μν -> in english, mu and nu 04:37:31 isn't it mee nee ? 04:37:41 in english 04:37:43 <\oren\> no, mu pronounced myu 04:37:52 <\oren\> and nu pronounces nyu 04:37:59 i had no idea 04:40:21 <\oren\> hmm can i type a qoppa? 04:41:20 <\oren\> apparently not. makes sense, qoppa isn't in Shift-JIS 04:42:23 <\oren\> Я 04:42:25 <\oren\> ya- 04:42:31 <\oren\> w00t 04:42:50 <\oren\> I remembered that Shift-JIS has cyrillic 04:43:02 <\oren\> Д 04:45:48 Why, exactly, does it have Cyrillic? 04:46:21 Aside from "why not", which might be the case... 04:47:22 <\oren\> pikhq_: argh, I donn't know. both greek and cyrillic are treated as categories of kanji (they are double-byte characters) 04:47:55 <\oren\> japanese fixed width fonts like MS Gothic have them as wide 04:49:20 Though not much tends to rely on that, thankfully. 04:50:12 (Shift-JIS art relies on the metrics, but Shift-JIS art uses MS PGothic, not MS Gothic.) 04:51:36 <\oren\> hmm, i don't seem to be able to type е 04:53:31 pikhq_: many DBCS tends to have many other characters besides from the original script. for example, KS X 1001 has kanas, greeks, cyrillics and extended latins. 04:53:39 many DBCSes tend to* 04:54:06 Seems silly, but eh. 04:54:19 Not like they had better uses for the space. 04:54:39 -!- lleu has quit (Quit: That's what she said). 04:54:46 <\oren\> well eventually they started filling in the spare space with emoji 04:55:09 when you have tons of space (94 by 94) you can give some room for other scripts 04:55:25 Emoji weren't really in any DBCS used in more than one system though. 04:55:25 also, many DBCSes have a concept of PUA 04:55:40 yeah, Emojis were originally encoded as PUA 04:55:51 (each cell network had their own mapping in the DBCS or Unicode PUAs) 04:55:53 (and escape codes and HTMLs, they were actually implementation details) 04:57:43 And then they go in Unicode because seriously, characters that don't go in Unicode is nonsense. 04:59:52 We needed universal standard platform-independent emoji. 05:00:08 Yes, this was in fact a pressing need for the Japanese market. 05:37:27 * Sgeo_ would prefer to have emoji than things that interpret emoticons 05:37:34 Although, emoticons are easier to type. 05:50:18 -!- variable has joined. 06:07:43 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 06:09:55 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:10:28 <\oren\> oДo ＜ｶﾞｱｱｱｱｱｱｱｱﾝ 06:11:39 -!- Vinegar has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:13:29 -!- ent0nces has joined. 06:16:19 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:16:32 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:17:02 -!- ent0nces has joined. 06:27:23 -!- ent0nces has quit. 06:27:48 -!- Frooxius has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:27:58 -!- Frooxius has joined. 06:32:58 -!- andrew__ has joined. 06:41:14 -!- saqibikram has joined. 06:42:56 -!- saqibikram has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:54:33 -!- variable has quit (Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero). 07:17:26 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:31:50 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:33:36 -!- tromp has joined. 07:33:38 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 07:41:50 I'm considering adding Roulettes and similar things (think Spirographs) to WalText2i 07:43:50 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:44:13 -!- tromp has joined. 08:07:19 -!- Vinegar has joined. 08:35:33 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:58:45 -!- Vinegar has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 09:05:16 -!- oerjan has joined. 09:07:26 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:13:19 -!- clog has joined. 09:15:47 [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45535&oldid=45531 * B jonas * (+1247) 09:16:11 [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45536&oldid=45535 * B jonas * (-6) /* TODO earlier notes */ 09:45:39 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Bas * New user account 09:46:41 @messages- 09:46:41 boily said 8h 3m 24s ago: HAH! 09:46:41 boily said 8h 2m 34s ago: (uhm. disregard the previous HAH. I'm still having trouble with your family name not being Johansen.) 09:46:48 @ask boily WAT? 09:46:48 Consider it noted. 09:48:35 @tell boily i think you're still confused, at any rate. 09:48:35 Consider it noted. 09:49:05 @tell boily it _is_ johansen hth 09:49:05 Consider it noted. 09:50:12 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 10:17:21 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 10:22:08 I wonder how much David deliberately chose to define Amycus to be so interesting, and how much is an accident. 10:22:38 fungot, how much of the esolang do you think was deliberate? 10:23:02 -!- erdic has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:23:38 -!- erdic has joined. 10:30:43 [wiki] [[Binerdy]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45537 * Bas * (+2160) Created page with "'''Binerdy''' was created by [[user:Bas]] to reminiscence the old days, when computers only understood zeroes and ones ==Language overview== A Binerdy program only knows of ..." 10:36:46 new puzzle in the tatham collection... 10:39:40 which one is the new one? 10:45:07 palisade 10:48:38 hm it's not immediately obvious how to deduce much from this... 10:49:43 -!- mauris has joined. 10:51:07 * oerjan revelation 10:52:54 yay solved one 10:53:03 darn 10:53:21 * oerjan has 2 regions so far 10:54:24 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 10:54:54 * oerjan sees the solution but stubbornly wants to prove it unique 10:55:24 there. 10:55:38 once more with feeling 10:57:01 argh it's hard not to accidentally apply the intuitions from playing too much Loopy :P 10:59:14 second done 10:59:20 -!- mauris has joined. 11:01:00 third 11:03:23 * oerjan ups the size 11:04:37 oh wait it's 6 per region now 11:05:13 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 11:07:03 -!- Froox has joined. 11:07:21 -!- Frooxius has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:09:04 -!- mauris has joined. 11:11:14 -!- mauris_ has joined. 11:13:46 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 11:18:26 -!- mauris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:30:55 [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45538&oldid=45536 * Oerjan * (+57) /* Definition */ expand list expression 11:36:17 -!- boily has joined. 11:36:51 * int-e stops after having solved http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/palisade.html#10x8n8:f1c1b11a12221a2a22222g103a22b0a2a3b1d2a3a2e32a2 11:37:16 (I think I've seen this before somewhere, hmm) 11:37:35 the help text says it's a nikoli puzzle 11:41:45 hmm, maybe, but I only know the nikoli puzzles that they offer on their free website 11:42:27 there are several other puzzles that vaguely resemble this, though. 11:42:41 there's some similarity between palisade and slitherlink (loopy ... ah, you've realized that already. of course.) 11:43:17 also Filling 11:43:31 well not that similar 11:43:38 but confusing 11:44:43 and rect and range, to fill out those with "numbers in rectangular grid" 11:45:47 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:50:55 oh and I've encountered the name before... www.marksteeregames.com/Palisade_rules.pdf 11:59:51 -!- tromp__ has quit (Write error: Broken pipe). 12:00:04 -!- tromp__ has joined. 12:03:40 [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45539&oldid=45537 * Bas * (+358) 12:04:59 [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45540&oldid=45539 * Bas * (+0) 12:05:36 [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45541&oldid=45540 * Bas * (+0) 12:17:46 [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45542&oldid=45541 * Bas * (+53) /* Instructions */ 12:17:47 @massages-loud 12:17:47 oerjan asked 2h 30m 58s ago: WAT? 12:17:47 oerjan said 2h 29m 12s ago: i think you're still confused, at any rate. 12:17:47 oerjan said 2h 28m 41s ago: it _is_ johansen hth 12:17:59 hellørjan. the confusion runs deep. 12:19:14 ic 12:19:28 afternoily 12:20:09 @metar CYUL 12:20:10 CYUL 191200Z CCA 14018KT 30SM SCT045 BKN065 OVC230 11/07 A3007 RMK SC3SC4CI1 SLP183 12:20:15 @metar ENVA 12:20:15 ENVA 191150Z 10003KT 9999 FEW009 SCT018 M01/M03 Q0997 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 15004KT 12:20:24 not so bad ^^ 12:21:05 -!- boily has quit (Quit: FABRIC CHICKEN). 12:23:17 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:24:32 *ACHOO* 12:24:55 i got a new winter coat yesterday, otherwise it _would_ be bad 12:25:35 silly hit-and-run boily 12:30:33 well 12:30:36 i did it 12:30:45 UberGenes is functional! 12:31:06 and i again stayed up all night 12:31:07 oops 12:32:06 -!- newsham has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:36:31 -!- newsham has joined. 12:43:24 [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45543&oldid=45542 * Bas * (+166) /* Instructions */ 12:44:00 @metar lowi 12:44:00 LOWI 191220Z VRB02KT 9999 SCT120 BKN300 11/M00 Q1020 NOSIG 12:44:33 [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45544&oldid=45543 * Bas * (+1) /* Cat */ 12:49:40 [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45545&oldid=45544 * Bas * (-4) /* Instructions */ 12:54:01 [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45546&oldid=45545 * Bas * (+55) /* Instructions */ 12:54:33 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:55:10 -!- mauris has joined. 12:56:23 [wiki] [[Binerdy]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45547&oldid=45546 * Bas * (+14) /* Cat */ 13:10:47 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 13:11:57 -!- Welo has joined. 13:12:15 i'm late, but haskell's \& thing has always struck me as sort of silly 13:13:46 it'd be cool to have, say, "{escaped}" instead of "\escaped" 13:14:10 like "this string{n}has a newline in it" looks much more readable to me. but oh no, C doesn't do that!! 13:16:35 I personally disagree 13:16:42 also compare "{SOH}{SO}H" vs "\SOH\SO\&H", or "{123}{x45}6" vs "\123\x45\&6" 13:17:24 to put {} in strings... you could have {{ and }}, i think? 13:19:15 Taneb: how much of that do you think is up to the fact that you're used to "\n"? 13:20:10 mauris: likely, all of it 13:20:25 Well 13:20:33 Also, I'm a lot more likely to want to print { and } than \ 13:21:43 you're just not programming enough /// hth 13:22:39 yeah, \ sort of lacks meaning outside of programming. maybe "dos/windows file path separator" 13:23:58 although, i don't think i put {} in strings all *that* often either. usually () and [] suffice. it would suck for quick code generation scripts though :( 13:25:03 like, print("int main() {{ ... }}") is a bit weird. also printing JSON by hand. these are things you "shouldn't do" but in the real world obviously people do 'em 13:35:49 -!- andrew__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:44:57 -!- deltab has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 13:45:18 -!- mroman has joined. 13:45:21 fnard 13:46:17 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:46:40 -!- deltab has joined. 14:02:27 -!- mauris has joined. 14:04:05 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 14:05:39 so the halting problem is not NP-complete because it is not in NP? 14:13:44 yes 14:14:52 -!- lleu has joined. 14:22:27 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:40:45 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 14:51:13 -!- mauris has joined. 15:17:32 [wiki] [[Semantic Brain]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45548&oldid=45507 * SilverWingedSeraph * (+280) Bring up to date with 64d2433 15:30:01 mroman: Yes, it is merely NP-hard. A problem is NPC iff it is both NP and NP-hard. 15:44:22 oh! 15:44:33 ok... now I understand what he was saying 15:45:19 David says that I defined Amycus wrong, namely rule 6 15:45:27 his version is actually much easier to program 15:45:29 this explains a lot 15:45:57 so it's not David who has made a crazy esoteric language actually, but me by making a mistake in the rule. 15:46:03 damn 15:47:41 :) 15:47:45 his rule 6 is designed so that the language is easy to program, because now he can use <5, <6>: r> for the S rule, rather than having to mess with all the complications 15:47:57 what do I do now? 15:48:40 I'll probably have to document these as separate languages 15:48:44 Making yet another Amicus derivative. 15:48:59 yes... except it's not really a derivative 15:49:03 :) 15:49:05 rules 3, 5, 6 are essential 15:49:14 you can't program without _any_ one of them 15:49:34 so if rule 6 is different, then more than half of what I say about the language changes. 15:49:44 I'll have to give it a distinct name 15:53:28 Amycus Distinctus? 15:54:21 Amycus Beionus 15:55:31 the evil solution would be to call it Amicus 15:56:00 but I would screw that up more than everyone else 15:57:32 in fact, it should be backwards 15:57:42 David's language should be Amycus, and my mangled one Amicus 16:03:52 . o O ( Amicus is a common misspelling of Amycus ) 16:06:54 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 16:13:58 -!- rdococ has joined. 16:27:23 except when it's not 16:27:40 Amicus is a common misspelling of Amycus, except when it's not. 16:42:41 -!- mauris_ has joined. 16:45:50 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:47:22 [wiki] [[BitShift]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45549 * Bas * (+1980) Created page with "'''BitShift''' was created by [[user:Bas]] to reminisce the old days, when computers only understood zeroes and ones. ==Language overview== A BitShift program only knows of ..." 16:49:33 Huh, I'm surprised there wasn't a language named that already 16:57:45 [wiki] [[User:Bas]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45550 * Bas * (+22) Created page with "I created [[BitShift]]" 17:03:31 -!- myname has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:08:15 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:11:26 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:11:57 -!- augur has joined. 17:13:37 -!- MoALTz has joined. 17:19:20 -!- myname has joined. 17:28:53 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:33:41 -!- mauris has joined. 17:36:18 -!- mauris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 17:39:22 when you sign up for the austing group mailing list, you have to pick a salutation among Dr Eng Miss Mr Mrs Ms Prof 17:39:39 they're all very specific 17:41:43 i mean, it's 2015, come on 17:42:13 wtf they want my phone number as well 17:43:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:43:57 "so we can call you in case you forget your password" 17:44:25 :| thanks that's very nice of you 17:48:36 -!- irctc267 has joined. 17:48:54 Hi 17:50:12 -!- Vinegar has joined. 17:50:25 `welcome irctc267 17:50:26 irctc267: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 17:55:14 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:56:36 -!- sebbu has joined. 17:57:38 -!- irctc267 has quit (Quit: Page closed). 18:03:32 -!- spiette has joined. 18:04:08 -!- mroman has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 18:06:33 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:15:33 What happens if I generalize trochoids to ellipses instead of circles? 18:15:45 I suppose they become much harder to draw programmatically 18:20:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 18:20:22 [wiki] [[Amycus]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45551&oldid=45538 * B jonas * (+421) 18:20:39 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:32:28 Websites and such asking for titles always weird me out.. 18:32:42 WHAT IS YOUR TITLE 18:32:47 I'd rather they didn't use any title at all 18:33:12 Solution: get a doctorate 18:35:27 Hmm is "Prof" legally protected in any way? 18:38:11 . o O ( we could all be professors at the esoteric language institute, the internet 101, worldwide ) 18:41:29 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 19:15:56 a friend of mine showed me the input that codeeval used in their brainfuck challenge 19:16:19 they're 10 trivial programs, one per line http://sprunge.us/XYPj 19:17:47 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:18:39 also they're assholes because they didn't specify that you need to write to the right side of the tape 19:18:52 err left 19:18:54 whatever 19:19:17 In general I think the codeeval tasks seem to be pretty poorly specified 19:25:57 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 19:37:23 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:44:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 19:44:51 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 19:47:18 -!- Welo has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:52:38 I'm trying to add Parabolic arcs to WT2i 19:52:47 But they're coming out weird 19:53:02 They stretch up to the top of the screen and are solid black 19:53:11 Which doesn't seem like it should be happenning 19:54:38 Wait, found the problem. I think. 20:02:21 Should I add Sine and Cosine waves to WT2i? 20:04:24 -!- rdococ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:07:07 I think I'll generalize WalText2i to a more PDFy thing 20:10:12 Maybe 20:11:35 -!- Patashu has joined. 20:18:26 [wiki] [[UberGenes]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45552 * Quintopia * (+3751) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=UberGenes |paradigms=imperative |author=[[User:Quintopia]] |year=[[:Category:2015|2015]] |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|Turing complete]] |refimpl..." 20:34:04 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 20:46:07 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 20:46:38 -!- Vinegar has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:58:58 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 21:15:26 -!- spiette has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 21:16:11 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 21:18:00 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 21:29:10 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:38:55 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 21:41:09 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:46:47 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 21:56:27 -!- ent0nces has joined. 22:00:24 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:02:17 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 22:14:09 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:20:16 -!- Vinegar has joined. 22:27:13 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:28:22 -!- ent0nces has joined. 22:37:39 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 22:43:42 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:48:38 -!- ent0nces has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:50:53 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:51:02 -!- Vinegar has quit. 23:02:15 -!- mauris_ has joined. 23:03:41 -!- mauris__ has joined. 23:04:26 [wiki] [[Brainfuck implementations]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45553&oldid=44605 * 77.103.217.201 * (+103) adding bfc 23:05:54 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:06:47 -!- mauris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 23:09:28 -!- llue has joined. 23:09:28 -!- llue has quit (Changing host). 23:09:28 -!- llue has joined. 23:10:50 -!- lleu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:12:18 -!- Warrigal has changed nick to tswett. 23:30:10 -!- deltab has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:37:22 -!- deltab has joined. 23:42:29 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:43:49 I had an idea for Kastor 23:44:12 The "." operator: Accepts two integers, returns a float. Yep. I went there. 23:44:12 havent we all at some point? 23:44:29 quintopia: No. Kastor is a language I'm making. 23:44:54 oh. must have confused it with Pollucks 23:46:01 Ah. 23:46:41 quintopia: In case you're curious, it's a programming language designed for actual, serious usage that draws on my knowledge of Eso. 23:46:46 -!- b_jonas has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:47:37 -!- b_jonas has joined. 23:48:04 It has weird syntax elements like "specials"- a value followed by a name- that you can define to feed that value to a certain class. For example, with a few lines of code you can make "5i" a meaningful token. 23:48:45 (Preferably, you make it meaningful by feeding it as the second argument of the "complex([real[, imag]])" class so it makes fucking sense) 23:49:19 Useful for code obfuscation? Perhaps. Totally amazing and something I want any programming language I use in the future to have? YES. 23:55:04 hmm 23:58:54 So what does the '.' operator do anyway? 23:58:57 quintopia: Yes? 23:59:25 FireFly: In the context of two integers, it essentially joins them into a float with the whole part being the lhs and the decimal part the rhs 23:59:35 In other contexts, it may do something different 23:59:37 oh 23:59:43 But maybe not. It might just be for that. 23:59:45 That's... a bit cute