< 1447372944 573672 :Mrlemons!b369916b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.105.145.107 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1447373195 153020 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bouena notte < 1447373207 325897 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, buona* maybe < 1447373232 409332 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, buona notte. darn, the one phrase I learned in Italian, and I forgot it < 1447373900 245728 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1447373951 131169 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had an idea for an update for WalText2 < 1447374073 486645 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone's curious < 1447374097 495460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about... izabera? < 1447374117 47566 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what it is < 1447374152 578123 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? waltext < 1447374153 715082 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waltext? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447374155 11717 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? waltext2 < 1447374155 949511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waltext2? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447374160 95939 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither does HackEgo < 1447374160 535295 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: It's a vector font renderer for my own custom format. I made it for WalrusOS, which is an EsOS < 1447374196 377995 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you seem to have an unhealthy affinity towards walruses. walrii. walrusseses. < 1447374207 743871 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn waltext2/WalrusOS's vector font renderer. See "WalText2i" for the improved version. < 1447374210 457714 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «waltext2» < 1447374222 757359 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? waltext2i < 1447374223 467093 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waltext2i? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447374223 698081 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I very much do. What's your point. < 1447374228 418820 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Not created yet < 1447374237 109509 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WalText2i is the update I had an idea for < 1447374258 940638 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :walrusi < 1447374276 554727 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: chickens are better, nah! < 1447374285 997919 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In WalText2, you create forms by declaring points (and other significant numbers) that it should be drawn based on. A line might be written as "LINE 0 0 15 12" < 1447374317 620652 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that has some syntactic problems; namely, in "0 0 15 12", there's nothing associating "0 0" and "15 12" as x/y points. < 1447374344 183041 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know how complex numbers can be represented as a point in the complex plane? < 1447374366 703457 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went there. I have no regrets. < 1447374408 375542 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm kind of tempted to self-quote those last two lines, but I'm afraid of looking arrogant) < 1447374437 861725 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: So yeah. That's a bit eso, I suppose, but not really /that/ eso, as I'm just dealing with syntax. < 1447374442 679154 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On to the next feature: < 1447374456 236413 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expressions. Not only that, expressions that can have randomness associated with them. < 1447374487 509532 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, for example, you can use the complex conjugate of a number to make sure things line up. You can add points together. < 1447374590 163134 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's random about that? < 1447374594 383174 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you can use the ~ binary operator to choose a random integer. 0~3 chooses a random number between 0 and 3 (inclusive) for you, so you can emulate human error in your fonts (the numbers are chosen on each drawing, so the tidle of an i or j might be in a different position on each letter) < 1447374606 82987 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: That's not the random part, the other part's the random part < 1447374667 332163 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inefficient, perhaps (I'll probably add an option in the renderer to cache the expression results which would derandomize the positions, but run faster) < 1447374679 234107 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it'd be pretty cool < 1447374693 988498 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like most existing fonts, what makes you think that generating them randomly is such a good idea? < 1447374719 150043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you want to prerender then? < 1447374770 467404 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: You aren't generating them randomly exactly; you're allowing the font designer to make slightly more random positioning to make the letters look more varied. Not good for, say, monospace, but good if you want to make a less uncanny valley comic sans < 1447374775 45676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that can be done is if you want to render to PK or GF, an option to render each character multiple times < 1447374806 265966 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'll probably do that if I make a PK or GF converter for WTII < 1447374819 619150 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Define prerender for me. I'm a noob at rendering, so I'm just fumbling around here < 1447374877 359928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To convert into PK or GF you need to prerender everything in the intended output device's resolution, so the source file will still be needed if you want to be able to use it with multiple resolutions < 1447374914 630438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also you need only one of PK or GF; you can easily convert between them using "pktogf" and "gftopk" programs) < 1447375039 443254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : italianøsnji. <-- italiensk hth < 1447375137 124504 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah. If you want to prerender, it just chooses a random number on load and sticks with it. < 1447375146 12390 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/load/compiling/ < 1447375165 657602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn waltext2/WalText2 is WalrusOS's vector font renderer. See "WalText2i" for the improved version. < 1447375169 125608 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «waltext2» < 1447375201 617286 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric : italianøsnji. <-- italiensk hth <-- it may be so in the Real Worlds, but it's not as interesting :) < 1447375209 334381 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Couldn't come up with a joke when I was making that xD < 1447375222 439450 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s,s\,,\,, < 1447375270 933341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nji isn't particularly norwegian. < 1447375297 928190 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik, it's Portuguesish. < 1447375315 472942 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides behind izabera < 1447375318 795205 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: døn't you sæy < 1447375392 377014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or snj, really, although there are enough norse names starting with nj that you could imagine it in a compound. < 1447375414 291908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :METAFONT does the same, it choose a random number on load (although you can specify the random number seed explicitly if wanted, too) < 1447375436 549515 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] == knuth undercover < 1447375500 408900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use any random numbers in your METAFONT input file, then the log file will include the random number seed in use so that you can repeat the same results again if you want to do so. < 1447375511 976774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: knuth doesn't waste time by coming on #esoteric, he just asks esr and ais523 to do the work for him < 1447375528 766886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1447375528 915677 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this explains so many things < 1447375531 877734 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I met Hoare the other day < 1447375542 144202 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoare? < 1447375547 956257 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author of quicksort < 1447375555 810182 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that Hoare < 1447375570 632143 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. That Hoare. < 1447375578 882444 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't keep track of all the famous people in CS. < 1447375583 963102 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :He presented a public lecture at my university < 1447375593 16697 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :About Pioneers of Computer Science < 1447375604 429537 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which... had Euclid as the second-most recent (spoilers) < 1447375611 491532 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence my topic of thought 23 hours ago < 1447375626 678910 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :he started it with a slide that just said "YOU'RE ALL NOOBS COMPARED TO ME" < 1447375637 513179 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :He seemed a really nice guy < 1447375638 389179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haneb < 1447375643 715350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a pooch < 1447375667 483608 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but my parents have one and my brother has a puppy < 1447375723 47307 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe esr and ais523 are the same person... < 1447375743 930222 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I know esr? < 1447375781 606629 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eric S. Raymond. < 1447375795 827180 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a person who comes on IRC? < 1447375824 230983 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on this channel but he probably spen(ds|t) a fair amount of time on irc < 1447375849 402952 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah, fair enough < 1447375870 490427 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also shame on you for not knowing him < 1447375880 493338 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not good at names < 1447375892 767434 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know my own name because I come from a clan of supervillains < 1447375912 589518 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb doesn't sound like a supervillain name < 1447375935 295776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :his real name is Nathan van Doom hth < 1447375948 118497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(modulo keming) < 1447375960 613422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, he's the crazy right-wing open source guy < 1447375977 442061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the creator of C-INTERCAL. < 1447376006 540727 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that guy! < 1447376007 707225 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :stallman's arch enemy < 1447376020 500230 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where the name was familiar from! < 1447376080 408152 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, Nathan van Doom is approximately my name < 1447376369 669783 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doom doom doom ♪ < 1447376371 494284 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting a league of people who are almost supervillains < 1447376384 430037 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far it's got me and a Mr Mascetti < 1447376465 321318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian -sen names aren't very good for supervillainery :( < 1447376489 368662 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't your name the Norwegian equivalent of George Johnson < 1447376496 177306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1447376557 750241 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very villainous at all < 1447376566 121396 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bystander name at best, I am afraid < 1447376567 835562 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :george johnson by day, evil baron von terroristan by night < 1447376592 300268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one of the equivalents. Georg Hansen, Jørgen Jonsen, Jørn Johannesen ... < 1447376628 766273 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Georges Fitzjean? < 1447376657 939801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about norwegian-sounding equivalents here, boily < 1447376675 861611 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not oerjanequivalents. my bad. < 1447376695 756502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure they're all cognate to my name < 1447376697 632793 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were translating to other scandinavian languages. < 1447376747 561363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that would be Göran Johansson and Jørgen Jensen < 1447376757 58087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot jensen, that's norwegian too < 1447376763 856181 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :jensen? < 1447376769 313002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more stereotypically danish < 1447376775 965276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first name directly translates as 'ruler of the world' so as a child i felt like i had some heavy expectations heaped on me < 1447376799 466503 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what language does it mean that? < 1447376813 227657 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of parents.. < 1447376834 414562 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My last name is watson and someone always makes a sherlock holmes joke < 1447376848 36157 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :elementary \oren\ < 1447376861 914158 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that one... < 1447376862 844880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: gaelic afaiu < 1447376885 646440 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy, I also want a gaelic name < 1447376889 683757 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm cataloging common meanings for characters (e.g. $ in stacky languages means DROP) < 1447376902 844618 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC mine means dove, which is p. boring < 1447376909 580024 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :X in english means X < 1447376913 400255 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine means "gift" < 1447376923 936758 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Gift from God, to be exact < 1447376930 937434 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1447376932 712968 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], that's Jonathan < 1447376938 433666 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is not my name < 1447376941 489016 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to decide whether to sort the pages primarily by Unicode block or by language type < 1447376958 279254 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm a Nathan too, and I'm pretty sure it means Gift from God, from the last time I checked < 1447376961 170463 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I had a very distant relaive called Natan (I think he spelled it that way) < 1447376964 295096 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it varies by nation xD < 1447377001 60228 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I protect men, according to my name. < 1447377013 130928 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So which should I sort it by? < 1447377040 500542 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is anyone curious about my 8 pages of arbitrary character-to-procedure associations for Getchl yet? xD < 1447377055 862548 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :focus on actually developing it < 1447377061 339706 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], apparently it can be translated has "He has given" < 1447377075 122121 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :With He being God < 1447377092 134224 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hebrew is not a language I am familiar with < 1447377092 947786 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Getchl or the Unicode Blocks? I already developed most of getchl and am just procrastinating initial testing. < 1447377127 124750 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parents called me "Nathan" because they didn't know any Nathans < 1447377148 212209 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think that's what my parents went with too; look for a name that isn't used as much < 1447377169 663770 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they kept meeting Nathans all over the place < 1447377172 33904 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that was my third cousin's parents. Definitely them, but maybe my parents too < 1447377172 946960 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend of my dad died and that's how i got my name < 1447377181 799474 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That tends to be how it works. < 1447377185 123043 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :The florist at my christening was called Nathan < 1447377202 971393 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother got his name because my parents looked at him and thought he looked like a Benjamin < 1447377225 552712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember my parents saying they consulted some family member who spoke irish to make sure they used the least pronouncable spelling < 1447377226 751295 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think I'll sort the pages primarily by language type < 1447377236 683452 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Really? That's awesome. < 1447377245 914608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if you say so, donald < 1447377256 966306 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty eso < 1447377282 583267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is it still pronounced the same btw < 1447377286 882970 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no < 1447377292 327137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rhymes with 'tonal' < 1447377308 800289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1447377694 23317 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how did you end up as "Phantom_Hoover", if I may ask? < 1447377731 327701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was funny when i was about twelve, i think < 1447377896 812639 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have my grandpa's name, but with a fresh 90s twist to its spelling!! it's quite uncommon < 1447377929 219641 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris, my dad has a variant of his uncle's name < 1447377934 106825 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but ever so hip" < 1447377957 648846 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maurice? < 1447378009 635707 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yeah. then my parents botched the -ce and decided putting an 's' there was The Future < 1447378034 590519 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Future is Now! < 1447378092 497597 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1447378099 409291 :mauris^!uid48655@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsyivrlitscfpths JOIN :#esoteric < 1447378118 674920 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1447378181 946736 :mauris^!uid48655@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsyivrlitscfpths PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should change my legal name to include this caret IMO < 1447378207 798068 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris^: mauris: Definitely < 1447378305 945840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell mroman but I don't know how to proof it formally :( <-- look at the position of the last s, minimize the part before, and use the fact that optimal representations of two neighboring representatble numbers cannot differ by more than 1 in length < 1447378306 132865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1447378391 674081 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1447378422 519856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1447378440 125029 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: GAZEOUS CHICKEN < 1447378481 221159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris^: wait i assumed it was some flemish variant of mauritz < 1447378503 554536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it pronounced flemish or french < 1447378522 247316 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ADDI14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45342 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1626) 10New language time! This one a reincarnation of UniLang < 1447378609 720389 :mauris^!uid48655@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsyivrlitscfpths PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it's a unique variation on the French 'maurice'! It's pronounced the Flemish way, [mo'RIs] where R is your favourite r consonant < 1447378644 301772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't the flemish agree on what R is? < 1447378697 601249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the norwegians don't either fwiw) < 1447378716 452214 :mauris^!uid48655@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsyivrlitscfpths PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. Some say [r] and some say [UPSIDE DOWN R HERE THANKS] < 1447378722 872279 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ADDI14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45343&oldid=45342 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+52) 10Added an optional reader head to the data model < 1447378730 438141 :mauris^!uid48655@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsyivrlitscfpths PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the latter camp, I.e. Uvular trill < 1447378749 602579 :mauris^!uid48655@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsyivrlitscfpths PRIVMSG #esoteric :A terrifying sound, I hear < 1447378777 982940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trill or flap? < 1447378792 432345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the latter is less terrifying) < 1447378796 949693 :mauris^!uid48655@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsyivrlitscfpths PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trill! < 1447378797 318815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ADDI14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45344&oldid=45343 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-11) 10Removed comments from the grammar, as they should be handled by the lexer < 1447378860 222407 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, apparently the English don't either. I can pronounce r in two ways that sound identical to me but feel different (and are in fact different) < 1447378920 4524 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know which one you're pronouncing? < 1447378927 771387 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different mouth shape < 1447378952 857831 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is strictly speaking a [ʋ] < 1447378975 829569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait portuguese has uvular rs? < 1447379992 592380 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just made IF and WHILE operators < 1447380030 513646 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(? and @) < 1447380184 410957 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They both work by evaluating their second argument contingent on their first < 1447380317 707160 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447380538 913299 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ADDI14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45345&oldid=45344 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+189) 10Lists and sets; empty available < 1447380654 884770 :andrew!~andrew@61.141.94.81 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1447380684 636900 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.95.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447380742 925804 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ADDI14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45346&oldid=45345 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+87) 10Bools, rearranged EBNF < 1447380905 123736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you output TFM/GF/PK from a font program, one thing that needs to be done is to calculate a checksum. The algorithm you use to calculate it is unimportant, as long as it does not depend on the device resolution or any random numbers or the file format used for output. Zero may also be used if you do not need or want a checksum. < 1447380986 606608 :kwertii!~kwertii@c-50-174-212-106.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1447381033 788345 :llue!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1447381033 939393 :llue!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1447381033 939457 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1447381038 285635 :puck1pedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1447381074 52621 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone read the ADDI page yet? < 1447381136 386506 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1447381136 724488 :kwertii!~kwertii@c-50-174-212-106.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1447381145 864071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will look now. < 1447381160 779222 :kwertii!~kwertii@c-50-174-212-106.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1447381248 418972 :puckipedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1447381248 805230 :puck1pedia!puck@irc.puckipedia.com NICK :puckipedia < 1447381250 145391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1447381250 387765 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1447381559 748046 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1447381687 550809 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1447382099 741609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1447382221 38598 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1447382246 807792 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1447382276 820043 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1447382347 243836 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language is turning out nicely < 1447382361 370392 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I take it you were too disgusted by the google docs link to check? < 1447382475 572704 :andrew!~andrew@119.137.95.121 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1447382498 933223 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If I ever get my hands on a website, I promise to publish future documents as OpenOffice. < 1447382509 6920 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps as PDFs < 1447382516 645636 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Exported from GDOCs) < 1447382556 346510 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1447382655 839297 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447382684 587516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1447382817 816157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked only the wiki page, which does not say much and has no example programs. < 1447382872 559952 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well I haven't finished formulating the language yet < 1447382901 350599 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The langauge is, essentially, a list of operator expressions. Not even functions are allowed. < 1447383151 741774 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ADDI14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45347&oldid=45346 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+473) 10Made page remotely close to good. < 1447383293 146008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could see that in the description at least < 1447383764 831074 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1447383824 110323 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447383900 58129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ADDI14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45348&oldid=45347 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+351) 10Special variables, example programs, zzo38 < 1447384318 52608 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a nanny mcphee-like language? One that encourages good programming practices by allowing you to do bad things, but having arbitrary and awful rules when you do < 1447384482 829238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try < 1447384549 596634 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1447384765 877004 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Nah. Sounds boring, really < 1447384809 103129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then don't try. < 1447384824 201562 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol zzo < 1447384831 936707 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you working on? < 1447384948 333722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am working on DVI->PBM program. < 1447385028 256797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other programs such as foo2zjs and so on can then be used to drive printers that use host-based printing. < 1447385037 58519 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbm is image file isnt it? < 1447385083 868407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1447385120 156259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how host-based printing works; it needs to generate the picture on the computer and then send to printer. < 1447385197 330485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The printer I now have does not support PCL so I am doing it this way instead; it can be useful for other printers and other purposes too though) < 1447385440 786184 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is pcl? < 1447385494 721636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCL is a printer format for many Hewlett Packard laser printers, as well as some printers by other manufacturers too. < 1447385615 86937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Do loop until failure or condition else14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45349&oldid=45250 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+34) 10Categorized < 1447385810 74924 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Arithmetic while14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45350 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+341) 10Created Page as filler, really < 1447385918 207993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goto-when14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45351 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+265) 10Created page as MOAR filler < 1447386010 424164 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1447386033 617805 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not how we use the wiki... < 1447386333 241205 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What? Creating stubby pages, or making filler pages (although the ideas were valid ones)? < 1447386474 237801 :mauris^!uid48655@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsyivrlitscfpths QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1447386489 624766 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Or do you mean that the pages aren't esolangs, but instead components that could be used for esolangs? < 1447387486 440005 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1447388724 625019 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447388876 147786 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1447390153 888905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect my program can work with troff as well, as long as you can make PK fonts. (This program does not require that the units of measurement match those of TeX; any units can be used, which is needed if troff is used since troff does not use the same units as TeX.) < 1447390165 995719 :kwertii!~kwertii@c-50-174-212-106.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: . < 1447391406 687613 :andrew!~andrew@183.37.19.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447392132 118375 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ifhdlxsompvksljm JOIN :#esoteric < 1447392956 816357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what fonts are needed to print man pages with grodvi? < 1447393939 86115 :andrew!~andrew@183.37.19.238 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1447394108 389202 :andrew!~andrew@14.154.166.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447395127 669673 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1447397139 143660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need a good name for DequeCLI < 1447397242 566626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a SIGILL from _dl_x86_64_restore_sse from _dl_fixup from _dl_runtime_resolve from the following code: fp = fdopen(pipefd[0/*read*/], "r"); < 1447397273 118881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is wrong? It only did that once; when I tried again I could not repeat the problem. < 1447397683 917346 :andrew!~andrew@14.154.166.208 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1447397735 786728 :andrew!~andrew@183.37.19.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447398609 804310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Möbius14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45352 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1546) 10Started on design < 1447399445 33925 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1447399486 934534 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1447399556 651524 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently deadfish proofs are not so easy. < 1447399564 335664 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://46.4.207.77/deadfish-outline.pdf < 1447399578 422528 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nearly got to int-e's lemma, though. < 1447399698 816837 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what generates that? < 1447399742 518032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i'm pretty sure the difficulty there isn't with deadfish hth < 1447399778 939434 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The izabera theorem prover < 1447399785 381656 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://isabelle.in.tum.de/ < 1447399797 183157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i don't think that was his lemma. < 1447399822 835381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, one of the numbers is supposed to be 1 < 1447399850 550000 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the one I didn't get to. < 1447399895 771011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you're actually defining a metric there. < 1447399926 747046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, int-e's lemma is just as special case of the last one there. < 1447399936 143156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1447399945 165095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs brain < 1447400017 488385 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1447400026 798658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: actually you just need that + costDF x y <= |y-x| if 256 is not between them < 1447400047 739603 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-61-210.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1447400082 723704 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.1 - http://znc.in < 1447400156 69858 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-61-210.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1447400190 881130 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-61-210.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1447400246 454293 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1447400363 945847 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-61-210.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1447400717 869081 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-61-210.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1447400794 344825 :J_Arcane__!~chatzilla@37-219-61-210.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1447400862 798847 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-61-210.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1447400864 141529 :J_Arcane__!~chatzilla@37-219-61-210.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1447400999 677630 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-61-210.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1447401755 702726 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1447401900 34724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1447403233 141489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Jafet is an isabelle user < 1447408130 99812 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1447408381 465328 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447408385 208751 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnordel < 1447408390 208882 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-load < 1447408390 357856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 8h 21m 24s ago: but I don't know how to proof it formally :( <-- look at the position of the last s, minimize the part before, and use the fact that optimal representations of two neighboring representatble numbers cannot differ by more than 1 in length < 1447408906 798989 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1447409210 793376 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1447409567 321289 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1447409968 569510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you know how to prove it formally? minimize the part before. < 1447409969 237277 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: pastebin.ca is mind-bendingly slow for me in t? just an object that is in the classpath, ( require-library ' sisc/ libs/ srfi < 1447410049 787115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Could you fix all bugs. Just, everywhere? < 1447410049 935670 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it can be done < 1447410056 235890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good. < 1447410077 198009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: but keep the ascended bugs untouched please < 1447410077 529764 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i'm a research assistant that writes models are usually a pain in the ass.... you got the pyc files for me? :) < 1447410094 772967 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, but you can generate them quickly with python anyway < 1447410095 143418 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: room kill point, but my irc client stated to use 99% cpu idle box with nice -20 < 1447410113 286012 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: right, there's your first bug you have to fix < 1447410113 582613 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: lost some history and philosophy of r5rs. this makes me fnord is slow as shit < 1447410141 712521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Maybe you should try an IRC client not written in Funge+ < 1447410145 489085 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but yes, could optimize it to fit cs stuff. :) < 1447410566 79758 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1447410689 70265 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1447412317 984780 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You have been unproven. < 1447412318 133470 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: your analogy is wrong. < 1447412400 893652 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait.. it lost the philosophy of r5rs < 1447412402 587228 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare it. < 1447414669 703510 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447415731 55189 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes fungot < 1447415731 240848 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: now to sleep. hope to see this < 1447415740 38913 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime fungot < 1447415740 187552 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: for what does iterate walk code? < 1447415755 803624 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime \oren\ < 1447415756 998882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for \oren\ is Fri Nov 13 06:55:38 2015 < 1447415788 751468 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: make the 'got answer to localtime twh < 1447416698 892250 :andrew!~andrew@183.37.19.238 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1447416741 504167 :andrew!~andrew@14.154.166.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447416961 444252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Sometimes I answer it manually with ^raw. < 1447416989 346467 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tw. < 1447417000 318704 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1447417000 504913 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1447417012 323812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Your local time is currently GMT hth hand < 1447417012 553850 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: check the topic in the minibuffer in erc. it's hard to get stuff from the front < 1447417017 670747 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Any more details about that weird language 'or'? < 1447417017 883907 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: in case you're inside a loop when you wanna test 0 in mycology that is? :p < 1447417039 193002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? internet < 1447417040 270213 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417046 91360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? al gore < 1447417047 137827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Al Gore invented the algorithm. < 1447417081 493518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn al gore/Al Gore invented the algorithm and the internet. < 1447417084 226778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «al gore» < 1447417086 473533 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? al gore < 1447417087 761097 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Al Gore invented the algorithm and the internet. < 1447417089 262074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1447417091 31693 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo/Sgeo is a language nomad. (Not to be confused with a language monad.) He invented Metaplace sex, thus killing it within a month. He was Doctor Mengele in his previous life, as evidenced by his norn experiments. < 1447417102 449558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1447417103 846473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote/Quotes are just elements of the quantum dilapidated bogosphere. See qdb. < 1447417105 382347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fungot is no time for that < 1447417112 877373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cennabite < 1447417113 803295 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cennabite? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417117 522885 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qdb < 1447417118 573493 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdb is used like: `quote; `quote regexp; `quote id; `addquote ...; `delquote id; `pastequotes regexp; `pastenquotes [n]; see also quoteformat < 1447417118 722206 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cenobite < 1447417118 870819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lotus < 1447417119 637085 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lotus? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417119 785705 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cenobite? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417125 774883 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1447417127 182947 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wercome/エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ!詳しく、ウィキを見て: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。(他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ) < 1447417130 317323 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1447417131 649396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomgmodules/ZOMGMODULES is both a small blonde veterinarian and just modules over the ring of ZOMGs. < 1447417146 254186 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? norn < 1447417147 223283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :norn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417147 552097 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Tanelle. Did you tanebvent the ZOMGMODULES? < 1447417153 473535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pastel < 1447417154 531909 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastel? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417156 973438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pony < 1447417157 122072 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1447417158 1463 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pony? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417159 207144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ponies < 1447417159 791585 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you know what your duty is. < 1447417160 306207 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponies? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417161 833841 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only d-modules < 1447417174 71491 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! I had the conflagrated in my mind. < 1447417178 37126 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/the/them/ < 1447417196 169583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cennobite < 1447417197 102167 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cennobite? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417205 909631 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: only one 'n' I think. < 1447417206 58162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cenobite < 1447417207 45568 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cenobite? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417212 945362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cennabyte < 1447417214 53177 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cennabyte? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417219 665438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, it's "Cenobite" < 1447417219 985547 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cinnabar < 1447417221 38428 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cinnabar? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417230 845447 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cinober < 1447417231 756171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cinober? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417240 263050 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: NECKTIE CHICKEN < 1447417253 823691 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1447417257 685850 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cinnamon < 1447417258 673417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cinnamon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417268 275246 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always miss him in the morning < 1447417297 765263 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? force < 1447417298 613710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :force? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417302 931151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? awakened < 1447417303 709673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awakened? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417364 505463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? star < 1447417365 391186 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :star? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417367 209493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wars < 1447417368 271875 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wars? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417370 449333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? war < 1447417371 650685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :war? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417374 641592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? love < 1447417375 497060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :love? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417419 33166 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1447417507 209325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? yoda < 1447417508 166504 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoda? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447417509 761457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yoda < 1447417510 627421 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: yoda: not found < 1447417855 546376 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn yoda/Yoda's oration, disordered always. < 1447417858 379225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «yoda» < 1447418005 769567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proper yodaism I don't think that is. End with the verb the sentence must. < 1447418056 524065 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1447418076 84075 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Jogurth < 1447418077 39598 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jogurth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447418109 692297 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Jogurth is the german word for a special kind of belt while doing Yoga. < 1447418110 903012 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jogurth is the german word for a special kind of belt while doing Yoga.? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447418120 164431 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Jogurth is the german word for a special kind of belt worn while doing Yoga. < 1447418121 168598 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jogurth is the german word for a special kind of belt worn while doing Yoga.? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447418771 680296 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1447419136 911770 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1447419215 676038 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1447419395 747927 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-61-210.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1447419434 482089 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A point that's good you make. < 1447419521 683180 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn yoda/Yoda object-verb dialogue adopts. < 1447419524 151605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «yoda» < 1447419709 830939 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's even OSV. < 1447420156 744819 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ResPlicate14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45353&oldid=43846 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+0) 10/* Truth-machine */ < 1447420603 368394 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-61-210.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1447421179 550045 :Lord_of_-!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aahsezllsahmxtyh NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1447421185 345701 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aahsezllsahmxtyh QUIT :Changing host < 1447421185 494195 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447421185 494269 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host < 1447421185 642781 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aahsezllsahmxtyh JOIN :#esoteric < 1447421401 281337 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lord of life and dash. < 1447422726 451994 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1447422782 910679 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1447422855 861285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :subversion has reverse blame since 1.8 or since 1.9? < 1447422919 452040 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1447423028 237658 :andrew!~andrew@14.154.166.208 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1447423034 460224 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1447423045 593205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if only there was a way to find out when a feature was added) < 1447423263 877279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.9 client, but requires 1.8 or later server < 1447423426 87734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE HECK? < 1447423477 448068 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have stack space for this many nested problems when trying to fix another problem < 1447423682 113525 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? intrustion < 1447423683 191529 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intrustion? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447423685 68207 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? intrusion < 1447423685 995292 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intrusion? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1447423772 26038 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1447424016 44895 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1447424136 509042 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1447424152 134948 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't own the pineapple, you are the pineapple. < 1447424177 127124 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also every time I read a pdf with large font this terminal font looks ridiculously small. < 1447424286 43359 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1447424390 567200 :the!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447424405 693866 :the!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hii < 1447424406 911877 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/welcome < 1447424407 720801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; } < 1447424413 401259 :the!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 NICK :Guest56621 < 1447424436 7414 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/@ < 1447424438 131495 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/@ < 1447424440 588843 :Guest56621!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1447424458 304169 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/relcome < 1447424458 996297 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome "$@" | rainwords < 1447424466 824125 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wercome < 1447424467 549666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? wercome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "wercome"; } < 1447424490 743363 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/?wercome < 1447424491 609032 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access bin/?wercome: No such file or directory < 1447424498 935722 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/? < 1447424499 657358 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/nooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; \ < 1447424508 248458 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wercome < 1447424509 137691 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ!詳しく、ウィキを見て: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。(他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ) < 1447424518 192018 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so welcomes are wisdoms < 1447424532 816213 :Guest56621!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 QUIT :Client Quit < 1447424792 218488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aubergine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45354&oldid=34878 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+62) 10/* Examples */ < 1447424810 566774 :complety_random_!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447424822 682341 :complety_random_!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1447424830 71444 :complety_random_!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 QUIT :Client Quit < 1447424860 568209 :random_nickname!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447424933 459366 :random_nickname!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know a language without syntax? < 1447424956 217513 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language isn't a language without a syntax and grammar? < 1447425017 52025 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45355&oldid=45234 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+120) 10/* Implementations */ < 1447425028 152159 :random_nickname!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i get the term 'syntax' right < 1447425032 43016 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45356&oldid=45355 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-1) 10/* Aubergine] */ < 1447425608 839631 :random_nickname!1fb2a091@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.178.160.145 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1447426387 673148 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :mromanes eunt domus! < 1447426647 878127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i would say if there are no rules which the syntax must follow, then it is pretty much the same as no syntax < 1447426694 837983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if there's no such concept as "a well-formed sentence" < 1447426711 240303 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say that 3SP qualifies < 1447426783 129008 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1447426785 394108 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then deadfish? < 1447426790 338559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps any language consisting only of no-argument commands in which no commands need matching commands < 1447426799 135441 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish would probs qualify < 1447426843 943002 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ResPlicate may qualify, if one chooses to call it a "language" < 1447426935 545955 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most 2D languages don't have requirements such as "brackets need to match" < 1447426941 113721 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that qualifies as "no syntax" as well. < 1447426982 906284 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "brackets need to match" is grammar, not syntax actually :) < 1447427005 57465 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that distinction seems pretty blurry to me < 1447427007 393898 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"isdo" are instructions, rest is comments is already a syntax < 1447427017 626098 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't know where exactly the line between syntax/grammar is. < 1447427027 306729 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's an arbitrary line more or less. < 1447427046 627965 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax is a subset of grammar < 1447427049 658098 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for syntax is what the lexer uses, grammar is what the parser uses < 1447427050 390026 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dealing with word order < 1447427055 395497 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually syntax is just a subset of grammar < 1447427059 226272 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed. < 1447427059 893298 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1447427070 297238 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :insisting that [ come before ] is syntax < 1447427086 157253 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :insisting that every [ have a corresponding ] is grammar < 1447427101 302201 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1447427123 758479 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer = ? digit ?, { ? digit ? } < 1447427161 377428 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be equally well part of the syntax or the grammar < 1447427197 442783 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :binExp = integer, "+", integer < 1447427236 204398 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1447427237 928285 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found someone saying "A grammar is a set of rules that define the syntax for a particular language." < 1447427240 370938 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax defines terminal symbols < 1447427244 522405 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar defines non-terminal symbols? < 1447427311 767699 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even have now found a distinction between "syntax grammar" and "semantics grammar" < 1447427343 910712 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1447427349 459336 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax defines what a valid terminal symbol is, and the grammar defines how you can build non-terminal symbols out of terminal symbols < 1447427455 971960 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although technically, integer wouldn't be a terminal symbol in this example? < 1447427462 267907 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember the definition correctly :D < 1447427479 995896 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :digit would < 1447427481 865565 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pragmatically, anyone who relies on a distinction between "syntactic" and "grammatical" had better say so and explain what they mean." < 1447427497 499043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "lexical syntax" term is often used for that sort of syntax. < 1447427576 372767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in some sense, any language that does not specify how you are allowed to arrange symbols is both syntax-less and grammar-less < 1447427589 468610 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(up to what constitutes a single symbol) < 1447427589 842319 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also compilers will tell you "syntax error" if you have unbalanced brackets < 1447427592 988108 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not "grammar error" < 1447427595 84129 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore < 1447427600 309558 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar does not exist, only syntax. < 1447427609 530259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a grammar < 1447427613 720599 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which defines the syntax < 1447427627 84461 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1447427637 308618 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but grammar would be on a semantical level then < 1447427669 156498 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is presumably also a system (e.g. type system) to define semantic grammar < 1447427676 21220 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A terminal symbol is where you can find a ✈ symbol. < 1447427763 3428 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bad pun symbol is where you can find oerjan's ===\___/ symbol < 1447427770 717141 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think linguists have a different definition of syntax/grammar < 1447427783 947384 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too different < 1447427805 917310 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ich den Hund mag" is a grammatical error < 1447427813 462272 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ich mag den Huhnd" is a spelling error. < 1447427820 637419 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess spelling errors are syntax errors < 1447427843 925529 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a difference, yes < 1447427875 434546 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a grammarian would not consider a spelling error to be a syntax error, since syntax is about the arrangement of words, not the symbols that constitute them < 1447427890 902490 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a programming language designer would consider it a syntax error < 1447427903 102347 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1447427914 870602 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"esle" would be parsed as an identifier. < 1447427918 412534 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say spelling error are lexical errors, and both lexical and grammar errors are syntax errors < 1447427933 867895 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so depending on where you make the error it's actually not a syntax error but a semantical one < 1447428022 630302 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well.. whatever < 1447428032 859560 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not qualified to discuss this topic :D < 1447428042 88718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Cardinal14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45357&oldid=19561 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* (+25) 10 < 1447428050 767055 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only qualified to discuss indentity functions. < 1447428064 689458 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something like diff -b that also ignores changes in whitespace at the start of line, but not in the middle of words < 1447428067 689803 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1447428071 697337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom diff < 1447428072 863338 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: `wisdom/*diff*': No such file or directory \ /cat: : No such file or directory < 1447428137 546272 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1447428685 51873 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447429211 545279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "hello ($_)" < 1447429212 409736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello (bash) < 1447429226 478150 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` /bin/echo "hello ($_)" < 1447429227 260868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello (bash) < 1447429663 762781 :aretecode!~aretecode@104.156.228.84 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1447430253 299530 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447431158 662836 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww, I don't pronounce "reform" like in the topic < 1447431182 495978 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-61-210.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1447431367 844947 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here was the Tony Hoare lecture I went to the other day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz7DfbOuvOM < 1447433095 513610 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is quite interesting < 1447433560 220876 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the first field of a C struct reliably at the same address as the struct itself? < 1447433609 106411 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1447433609 254918 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust489.croy.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1447433609 254979 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1447433752 486175 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, this is how C implements subtyping. < 1447433870 565393 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1447434034 70991 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-aahsezllsahmxtyh QUIT :Excess Flood < 1447434090 411717 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ihyjardgjnunlcnz JOIN :#esoteric < 1447434133 161562 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Thank you. Hmmmm… < 1447434186 974005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How some people writing C do that, more like. < 1447434395 134279 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m writing code to discover things about C types, and pondering how much bootstrapping code in C I have to write. < 1447434456 682058 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suspect this behaviour was standardised with that usage in mind. < 1447434495 99113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly. The common initial subsequence rule certainly was. < 1447434578 609401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obligatory reference: C11 6.7.2.1p15: "A pointer to a structure object, suitably converted, points to its initial member (or [boring exception]), and vice versa." < 1447434595 530288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The boring exception is about bitfields, which you can't point at. < 1447434610 335226 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ifhdlxsompvksljm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1447434749 594409 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. While I’m at it: What happens if a struct member is declared as: 1. a fixed-size array 2. a non-sized array? < 1447434866 369000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's declared with a fixed-size array, you have an array of that size in the struct. < 1447434885 583379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's declared as an array with no size specifier, it's a "flexible array member", which has various restrictions and special behavior. < 1447434906 942540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(E.g. it needs to be the last member, it's mostly ignored in considering the size of the structure except for possible padding, etc.) < 1447434931 568620 :Lemon!b369916b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.105.145.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1447434995 442922 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there might be padding/spacing in between struct members) < 1447435014 216559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flexible array members are intended for stuff like struct { size_t len; unsigned char data[]; } where you'd like to have some extra cruft in the same chunk of memory. < 1447435062 312540 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Right, which is why I need to have access to offsetof to get at any non-first member fully reliably. < 1447435119 356632 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hjntjfjeezfgefci JOIN :#esoteric < 1447435194 886109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc struct a { char x; }; struct b { char x; double d[]; }; int main(void) { printf("%zu, %zu", sizeof (struct a), sizeof (struct b)); } < 1447435196 412281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 8 < 1447435206 677533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one case where the flexible array member actually makes a difference. < 1447435448 384247 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1447435530 565046 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, given an array of sometype, is its stride equal to align(sizeof(sometype),alignof(sometype)), where align(x, a) = min{y : y ≥ x ∧ a | y} ? < 1447435681 541230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given an array of sometype, it's stride is equal to sizeof(sometype). < 1447435703 389713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no padding inside an array. < 1447435958 851158 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc struct a { long long x, short y; }; int main(void) { struct a p[2]; printf("%zu, %td", sizeof(struct a), &p[1] - &p[0]); } < 1447435970 402345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:1:25: error: expected identifier or ‘(’ before ‘short’ \ compilation terminated due to -Wfatal-errors. < 1447435984 527821 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc struct a { long long x; short y; }; int main(void) { struct a p[2]; printf("%zu, %td", sizeof(struct a), &p[1] - &p[0]); } < 1447435988 576443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16, 1 < 1447436003 311755 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so the size is inflated. < 1447436010 554778 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.133 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1447436035 81039 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1447436039 990931 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, the end of a struct is padded to its alignment? < 1447436098 139593 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc struct a { long long x; short y; }; int main(void) { struct a p[2]; printf("%zu, %td", sizeof(struct a), (void *)(&p[1]) - (void *)(&p[0])); } < 1447436099 409215 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16, 16 < 1447436104 273276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it could be padded "just because", too. < 1447436108 939787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what you wrote isn't standard. < 1447436131 955397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's using a GCC extension that defines sizeof (void) == 1, and pointer arithmetic on void * consistently with that. < 1447436156 811605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use (char *)&p[1] - (char *)&p[0] to avoid a constraint violation. < 1447436182 935037 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you normally can’t pointer-arithmetic on (void *)? < 1447436191 842834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1447436213 153826 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sizeof(char) is guaranteed to be 1, yes? < 1447436216 907623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1447436310 315422 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that what I’m doing doesn’t depend on gcc or clang being used in the first place … < 1447436374 874294 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case it was unclear, I had thought the struct could be shorter so that its end wouldn’t be aligned. < 1447436570 12259 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-104-105.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, thanks for the help, I’ll be sure to show up again for more questions. < 1447436651 142792 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1447437740 456363 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1447438090 224227 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Möbius14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45358&oldid=45352 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1353) 10Formatting, removed stack mode, more commands < 1447438121 759366 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Möbius14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45359&oldid=45358 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+3) 10Formatting < 1447439030 753165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ADDI14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45360&oldid=45348 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-2) 10/* Hello World */ Fixed an example < 1447439342 15146 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1447440091 499032 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1447440144 352750 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ADDI14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45361&oldid=45360 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+20) 10Made intro ω% better < 1447440566 40966 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1447441019 100339 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1447441377 117370 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1447441648 453818 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/Data Models14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45362 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+139) 10Created Page < 1447442189 146217 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1447442400 149227 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1447442715 785744 :Lemon!b369916b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.105.145.107 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1447442786 669980 :jaboja!~jaboja@erz108.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1447443287 946395 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1447443749 156602 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1447443820 83780 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1447444920 765520 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an interesting data model for a language < 1447444925 840475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have something for me to start with? < 1447445319 536204 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/UniFunge14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=45363 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+776) 10Data Model < 1447445576 156490 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1447445733 100316 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1447446396 556412 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-61-210.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1447446803 47443 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-0-58.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1447446840 395537 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-61-210.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1447446842 553320 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-0-58.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1447447681 198227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you have an interesting data model for hppacilon[1]? < 1447447681 520195 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 00:07 fizzie fnord fizbancolin man neksh < 1447447688 75369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what? < 1447447688 223910 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: your point being? < 1447447695 834773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, no. < 1447447696 37927 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://schematics.sourceforge.net/ guide/ lang/ lisp/ impl/ fnord < 1447448003 55587 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/UniFunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45364&oldid=45363 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+2042) 10Δ commands < 1447448016 145471 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1447448371 851385 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode needs Combinatorial Arrows instead of just a million arrowy codepoints < 1447448445 10705 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/UniFunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45365&oldid=45364 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+421) 10/* Commands */ MORE Δ < 1447448478 736997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/UniFunge14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45366&oldid=45365 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */ Fixed formatting < 1447448683 126011 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Arrow Markup Language is in order? < 1447448982 604719 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ihyjardgjnunlcnz QUIT :Excess Flood < 1447449018 956855 :jaboja!~jaboja@erz108.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1447449090 579065 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-cuknqaszeeciqgln JOIN :#esoteric < 1447449599 109547 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1447450210 311718 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hjntjfjeezfgefci QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1447450645 927408 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net NICK :dtscode < 1447451164 813170 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1447451342 952694 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1447451475 375008 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1447451631 840792 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1447451795 64786 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1447451870 228140 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/UniFunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45367&oldid=45366 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+386) 10/* Commands */ Concurrency < 1447451982 575990 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1447452087 548071 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1447452318 303524 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@193.86.27.79 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1447452362 311261 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1447452368 28103 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1447452571 917859 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Greentext14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45368&oldid=45341 5* 03160.3.110.148 5* (-16) 10 < 1447453205 318712 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrorists in paris killed 18 people < 1447453634 623422 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1447453658 285611 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1447453789 707733 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :just read another headline that bumped the count to 40 < 1447453819 330790 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking horrifying < 1447453995 233586 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :⋯ Unicode needs Combinatorial Arrows instead of just a million arrowy codepoints ← I've always thought that a codepoint put between two characters to signify overstriking/combining would make sense < 1447454010 343271 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So instead of having combining everything, you could have a(combine)^ for â < 1447454036 670619 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially what backspace did back in the day with overstriking, except a font is free to use its own glyph for a(combine)^ rather than just literally overstriking it < 1447454044 701898 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but overstriking could be used as a fallback < 1447454301 170391 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1447455583 141633 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1447455995 816 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-65.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1447456904 657466 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/live/vwwmdb26t78v < 1447457484 337096 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03GamrCorps 5* 10New user account < 1447457534 20385 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1447457966 155174 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1447458087 716324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1447458124 222879 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mothership14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45369&oldid=45109 5* 03GamrCorps 5* (+137) 10 < 1447458525 779425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Hppavilion1/UniFunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45370&oldid=45367 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+90) 10/* Commands */ < 1447458725 54225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric