display Hello everyone! continue cls display My name is Bexandre, and I am a programmer display since I'm 11 years old. I'm programming a display whole new esoteric progr..."
< 1446290124 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Bexandre14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44995&oldid=44994 5* 03Bexandre 5* (+531) 10
< 1446290734 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Loader14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44996&oldid=44711 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+23) 10/* Instructions */
< 1446290778 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? display
< 1446290784 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fungot is a programmer display?
< 1446290784 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: before this routine will designate the logical not is determined primarily by its " waveform.
< 1446290787 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :display? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1446290838 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah, "display" is a command there.
< 1446290945 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, fungot
< 1446290945 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the operand is separated by commas. loops can be retrieved one at a time ( instead of either the transmit buffer or the basic routines without knowing their addrses in the
< 1446290979 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :retrieving loops sounds interesting as well.
< 1446290988 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1446290988 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64* ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1446291003 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64
< 1446291003 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material)
< 1446291025 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: enlighten us
< 1446291025 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: read q1 reads 63 numbers, using sprite 1 and 3.
< 1446291035 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know.
< 1446291068 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how do you read numbers with sprites?
< 1446291068 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 1.
< 1446291185 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: let me meditate on that
< 1446291185 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: untlk 60911, 65451 ( decimal).
< 1446291234 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you just playing numberwang?
< 1446291234 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 1) set the a register is set to 1, so a(0) can be used to control multiple voices. computer ready? type new, run, the routine
< 1446291345 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Horn numberwang: "I don't know whether 42 is numberwang, but I've been told that if 57 and 3517 are numberwang, then 42 is numberwang as well." )
< 1446291378 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's the kind of logic that numberwang respects
< 1446291398 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fine because it's not numberwang; it's Horn numberwang.
< 1446291541 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Bexandre/SpeedPL14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44997 5* 03Bexandre 5* (+1897) 10Created page with "== Syntax == Firstly, there is no higher cases. It will beget a giant black hole in the sky... Except for text and for numbers (var names from 0 to 99 only).
 [http://www.mediafire.com/download/dcixadngm9lgye8/aiv.exe] is an [[esoteric programming language]] that uses french quotes instead of brackets. == Basics ..."
< 1446292806 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that wouldn't prevent fungot from stopping in the middle of
< 1446292806 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: rem statements are used if the stop key on the right edge of the seed value is automatically executed when an rs-232 file discards all data in location 56333 ( dc0d). bits 3,2, and numbers 1-8 at the entry for the two types of operation over a short time, it is time to print the name portion equals 187 bytes.
< 1446292815 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just be breaking on different words ;)
< 1446292817 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AIV14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45008&oldid=45007 5* 03Bexandre 5* (-10) 10
< 1446292954 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Bexandre/SpeedPL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45009&oldid=45003 5* 03Bexandre 5* (+1) 10
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< 1446293041 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Bexandre/SpeedPL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45010&oldid=45009 5* 03Bexandre 5* (-6) 10
< 1446293961 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The broken sentences are probably due to lines that weren't unbroken.
< 1446294011 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have to broke them to make them not unbroken :o
< 1446294012 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stopping that fungot does is a bit ad-hoc.
< 1446294012 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 1) call this routine, you get the x and y position at which each possible dot ( pixel) of the control ctrl key and type rvs on ( set to 1
< 1446294127 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it should never stop in a place that wasn't an end of line in the original training data.
< 1446294138 0 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-217.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1446294182 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that some of the materials weren't so properly converted to paragraph/sentence-per-line format.
< 1446294382 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :An obstacle for retraining this particular style is that I have no idea what the actual source text was. I haven't been very systematic when it comes to fungot styles.
< 1446294382 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: bits 4-7 of pw hi are not ordinary variables that you've told basic not to use the jump table will give its examples in this case you must set both the required calculations and/ or ram.
< 1446294440 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the plus side, the swipe-style keyboard on this phone has learned to spell fungot impressively well. All I need to do is to draw a little squiggle that looks a bit like it.
< 1446294440 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the four-part adsr ( attack, decay, and
< 1446294480 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Alternative suggestions: dinghy, finfoot, cubit.)
< 1446294521 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: And sustain and release?
< 1446294522 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for example, load"file",8,1) from the vic-ii control register to the numbers 0 255 can be used for screen graphics on a low-going edge. the
< 1446294805 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1446295181 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used a swipe keyboard
< 1446295186 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try it out at some point
< 1446295252 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, I'm just using the stock Android one.
< 1446295268 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works a whole lot better for English than Finnish.
< 1446295313 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: IIRC you're at google, are you anywhere close to people who train these things?
< 1446295390 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing I don't write any finnish then
< 1446295420 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1446295423 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, though maybe not quite as far as I could be. I don't know who they are, though.
< 1446295438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1446295527 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@221-1-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1446295548 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It makes an attempt at all the Finnish noun cases and verb tenses, but still misses many. Plus we have these meaningful double consonants and vowels, and there's no way to indicate a length of a character when swiping, I don't think it takes pauses into account at all.)
< 1446295595 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaah.
< 1446295803 0 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1446296345 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaah
< 1446296391 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing a talk on esolangs in an hour and a half
< 1446296978 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, which esolangs
< 1446297000 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: so far, INTERCAL, brainfuck, Befunge, Piet, Underload, and ///
< 1446297120 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any more you'd suggest?
< 1446297329 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1446298023 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, imho feather
< 1446298038 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: but then I'd have to travel back in time and stop myself
< 1446298047 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did actually think about it)
< 1446298381 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about that finite state machine... malbolge...
< 1446298437 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably not a good idea; I wouldn't know what to say beyond "this is how it works" and "and here's a guy who managed to produce an actual loop for 99 bottles of beer")
< 1446298538 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, hmm you should do a sub- or super-tc language though
< 1446298996 0 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-254.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1446299009 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: wh not funciton?
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< 1446299294 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-063-181-126.084.063.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting
< 1446299630 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-063-181-126.084.063.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1446299952 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1446300768 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about that reversible one, hmm, *googles* Kayak
< 1446301601 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
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< 1446302139 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1446303489 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: largely because I don't know funciton
< 1446303586 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should!
< 1446303760 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might talk about Banana Scheme
< 1446303768 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :(talk has been delayed)
< 1446303805 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :((())()) <-- bananas?
< 1446303911 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a new lisp dialect?
< 1446303997 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I read the esolangs page and I'm not sure why it's "Banana" scheme.
< 1446304027 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a name, but does it have a deeper meaning that I fail to see?)
< 1446304105 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"going bananas"
< 1446304108 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that?
< 1446304115 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be
< 1446305608 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :People seem to be going to the other talk
< 1446306225 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip :(
< 1446306230 0 :Phantom__Hoover!?@? NICK :Phantom_Hoover
< 1446306232 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do you know when is glogbot fixed? <-- first Gregor has to start paying attention...
< 1446306253 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is tricky when he's not in a channel.  i did send him a privmsg
< 1446306343 0 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1446306715 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1]  How does when implement a dynamically typed language in a statically typed language I wonder? <-- you define a catch-all data type with tags hth
< 1446306715 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1446307051 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The Corruptic Channello | ɛ̃ˈglɪʃ spɛˈliŋ ʀɘfɔʀm/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/
< 1446307063 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many dynamically typed languages are implemented in C.
< 1446307076 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i know it used to have ?C=M;O=D before, so i changed it
< 1446307082 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some of them are also implemented in the statically typed subset of C.
< 1446307153 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: and then you usually use struct + union for the tagging, no?
< 1446307206 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qjrwkdlbigqsglvp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1446307235 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count as statically typed btw, it's very weak since you can accidentally try to read the wrong union element
< 1446307456 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, useless static typing is still static typing
< 1446307473 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1446307522 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AIV14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45011&oldid=45008 5* 0379.80.231.235 5* (+28) 10
< 1446308042 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk went
< 1446308625 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did it go
< 1446308673 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumes disappointment

< 1446309007 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a lot of people went to the other talk on at the same time, about running your own mobile operator or something
< 1446309026 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there were about 20% of the people at this event went to my talk
< 1446309054 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about 6)
< 1446309066 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious thing to do is to start a funge-based mobile operator
< 1446309484 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/MUwEgfk.png
< 1446309540 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ "JOP".   control of "found code" using code that ends in jumps, and a dispatch table.
< 1446309604 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45012&oldid=44987 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+198) 10
< 1446309646 0 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yehzfywedcrtjhro QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1446309697 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that example, code execution starts when the buf at line65 is used by "longjmp"
< 1446309749 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "mangled" addrs are due to the way longjmp tries to protect some saved regs
< 1446309790 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comments showing what code is ref'd by each addr should be enough to follow the rest of the execution
< 1446309835 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic gist is the table at lines 51-61 (labelled g00-g0a) form a list of of statements to execute
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< 1446309859 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "dispatch" code is executed after each step to direct execution back to the table
< 1446309870 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45013&oldid=45012 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+23) 10/* Instructions */
< 1446309883 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I believe Banana Scheme is named after this: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/O/one-banana-problem.html
< 1446309885 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun, non-traditional execution of x86 code
< 1446310039 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, it'd be nice if my opponents in FNM would quit questioning the Standard-legality of my cards.
< 1446310058 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you think one of my cards is not legal in the format I'm playing, here's a rule of thumb for determining whether or not you're right:
< 1446310059 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not.
< 1446310242 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... they only have your word for that...
< 1446310291 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is true.
< 1446310425 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody likes the JOP?
< 1446310428 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1446310449 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, what did I get wrong this time? Madness doesn't work the way its reminder text implies. Suspend only works for a card in your hand, even if another effect says you may cast it.
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< 1446311346 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45014&oldid=45013 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-9) 10/* Instructions */
< 1446311435 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: it's cute but it takes a while to digest
< 1446311569 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45015&oldid=45014 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+7) 10/* Instructions */
< 1446311764 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case http://cs.binghamton.edu/~mkayaalp/jop.html is probably a more useful link than an image rendered from a paper.
< 1446311782 0 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1446312191 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the image is an impl
< 1446312212 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think the rule in that case is that they can call a judge, who shall verify that the card is legal.
< 1446312227 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly.
< 1446312237 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I want isn't really reasonable. But I still want it.
< 1446312268 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the judge can also tell them the oracle text of the card, which is often useful if you play with old or non-English printings.
< 1446312306 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's usually less frequent in Standard.
< 1446312354 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you often play with such cards? I have lots of old cards (though most of them aren't in Standard), but very few non-English ones.
< 1446312449 0 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1446312569 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45016&oldid=45015 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+65) 10/* Instructions */
< 1446312883 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I particularly had problems with Hidden Spider. It's printed with the trigger saying "successfully casts a creature with flying", when I bought it the Oracle text used to look for "creature with flying comes into play", but it was later changed to "plays a creature spell with flying" then "casts a creature spell with flying";
< 1446312917 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :while Veiled Serpent, which is also printed with "successfully casts a spell", cared about "plays a spell" or "casts a spell" all the time.
< 1446312921 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very confusing.
< 1446312946 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And these are both a cycle, there are like five Hidden and five Veiled creatures.
< 1446313082 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to complicate the matters, the Hidden creatures work two different ways.
< 1446313111 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also some creatures where the creature types aren't obvious. In particular, it's not so easy to guess that Mine Carrier is a human. 
< 1446313148 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that Hollow Dogs is a zombie, while Skeletal Crocodile is a Skeleton. 
< 1446313158 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, what's with Hollow Dogs? 
< 1446313167 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current deck has a couple of reprinted cards. I think they're Shivan Dragon and Terra Stomper from M15.
< 1446313171 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Hollow Dogs is a mistake.
< 1446313184 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: M15 isn't really old, is it?
< 1446313198 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly not. It's not in Standard, though.
< 1446313211 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1446313284 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what cheap green mana producer creature is in Standard now? Arbor Elf and Llanowar Elves and BoP are all out now. Is it the two mana Arbor Elf?
< 1446313325 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, copper myr produces green man
< 1446313329 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like Arbor Elf. I should buy more, because it goes better in my green decks than the Llanowar Elves, of which I have enough copies that I'd bought before Arbor Elf was printed.)
< 1446313360 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the Myrs are nice, I have a playset of the cycle
< 1446313364 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the red, I think
< 1446313400 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, the two mana Arbor Elf isn't in standard
< 1446313451 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called Voyaging Satyr
< 1446313486 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't this a rather inaccurate statement https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haskell_(programming_language)&curid=27404990&diff=688378387&oldid=684901079#Haskell_1.0_to_1.4
< 1446313495 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ermn
< 1446313509 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haskell_(programming_language)&curid=27404990&diff=688378387&oldid=684901079
< 1446313533 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmed: Copper Myr 2 | T: Add G to your mana pool. /The elves thought of the myr as minor threats, just as the myr thought of the elves.
< 1446313573 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes, but it's not in Standard anymore, is it?
< 1446313595 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was reprinted in Scars
< 1446313602 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I find that out
< 1446313613 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, the funniest (but mostly useless) myr is Myr Servitor
< 1446313684 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reverts

< 1446313745 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm mine has a sword as the expansion symbol
< 1446313763 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the Sword of Kaldra, so it's printed in the Mirrodin block?
< 1446313764 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\
< 1446313769 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: it's reprinted in Scars
< 1446313771 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm yes
< 1446313774 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Scars is also old
< 1446313829 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm while searching I cam across a crazy card
< 1446313845 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, are those trick and treaters, i'm not used to being in a place where they actually come by
< 1446313874 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, Myrs are nice because almost all of them have Myr in their name. very few creature types are disciplined in that way. Slivers are even better, plus a few rare creature types like Eye.
< 1446313877 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*or
< 1446313896 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :those exist in .no?
< 1446313907 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so.
< 1446313920 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure they are, anyway, could be just party goers
< 1446313926 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, which one are you going to choose
< 1446313935 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nightmare night! What a fright! Give us something sweet to bite!
< 1446313944 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to depend on my trusty non-working doorbell hth
< 1446313967 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it exists everywhere where shops can sell expensive Haloween costumes and decorations, and where people watched american films in the VC
< 1446313969 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa
< 1446313983 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists here too
< 1446313986 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time i'm trick-or-treating in trondheim i'll remember to knock
< 1446314010 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when I was young, children used to put on costumes at the end of February. Now they're instead doing it on Halloween.
< 1446314029 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@erw114.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1446314074 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“You wish for me to cow your enemies?”
< 1446314087 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's not like i remembered to buy any extra candy, anyway.  although i do have this bag of chocolate peanuts...
< 1446314097 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm
< 1446314100 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is unopened)
< 1446314106 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no extra candy?
< 1446314113 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might have to dip into the oerjanstash
< 1446314120 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAA
< 1446314213 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: in norway they used to do it between christmas and new year
< 1446314215 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ziim14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45017&oldid=44068 5* 03Timwi 5* (-17) 10Change the semantics of the READ instruction so that Ziim no longer depends on UTF-8.
< 1446314223 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1446314252 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, i have no idea if they still do.
< 1446314281 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they would go to people singing christmas carols
< 1446314298 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45018&oldid=45016 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+69) 10/* Instructions */
< 1446314314 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45019&oldid=45018 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10/* Instructions */
< 1446314317 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, I got an 83% percent on that last Easy practice exam. That's my best score yet.
< 1446314318 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I dodn't know there were lands that give you more than one mana
< 1446314343 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I apparenly have a "Simic Growth chamber")
< 1446314359 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives you GU
< 1446314363 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the Ravnica bouncelands? yes, those are nice
< 1446314377 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's actually lands older than that that do it, but the bouncelands are better
< 1446314388 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an old cycle of five, plus some very old but broken lands
< 1446314433 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cycle of five is like the Ravnica bouncelands, but much worse, because they required to bounce an *untapped* land. that's much more of a drawback than bouncing any land.
< 1446314461 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Ravnica bouncelands were quite good in limited, people picked them and the Signets when only one color matched. 
< 1446314476 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're also useful in casual constructed, but not much in competition constructed
< 1446314496 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like mono bouncelands, ones that produce two of a color, but that probably won't happen.
< 1446314526 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Main thing I got wrong: the Protection ability doesn't protect against an effect that says "destroy".
< 1446314527 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I can use the bouncelands in mono-colored decks.
< 1446314530 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is certainly counterintuitive.
< 1446314538 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: of course it doesn't. 
< 1446314560 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, of course it doesn't?
< 1446314565 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :protection protects only from four and a half things. 
< 1446314596 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. Lemme enumerate them...
< 1446314600 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an object or player has protecetion from foo, then it can't be blocked by creatures that are foo, can't be dealt damage by sources that are foo,
< 1446314618 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be targetted by spells that are foo or abilities of objects that are foo, 
< 1446314622 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Targeting, enchantment, equipment and fortification, damage, blocking.
< 1446314630 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I count five and a half.
< 1446314634 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't be enchanted or equipped or fortified.
< 1446314639 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, five and a half, sorry.
< 1446314726 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sort of counterintuitive. "You have been given the gift of Protection from Red. Red things can no longer target, enchant, equip, fortify, damage, or block you. They can still outright kill you, but they can't do it by means of damage or anything like that."
< 1446314764 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "can't be enchanted or equipped" means two things: that you can't choose to attach an object to it, namely, if an aura etb other than by being cast, and you have to choose a permanent, you can't choose one with protection from it unless the rules allow, and you can't choose to attach equipment with such abilities either; 
< 1446314819 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also that if an aura or equipment is attached to a permanent with protection from it (eg. because the permanent gains protection), it is unattached, and if it's an aura, it's put to the graveyard.
< 1446314827 0 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-84-140.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1446314868 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, but many things that would kill the permanent target. eg. Disenchant or Doom Blade target. Day of Judgement doesn't.
< 1446314882 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1446314940 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor does Nausea or Infest, but those don't destroy either.
< 1446314969 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Hurricane won't kill creatures with protection from green, because it would deal damage.
< 1446314996 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needle Storm, I mean Needle Storm. 
< 1446315002 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Hurricane too, sure
< 1446315057 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Card idea.
< 1446315110 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enchantment — Aura. Enchant permanent. Only creatures are legal targets for this spell. Enchanted permanent isn't a creature.
< 1446315174 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: oh, I have a protection card idea too. it's an enchantment that gives reverse protection. an Aura for 1W with “Enchant creature. / All permanents have protection from enchanted creature."
< 1446315191 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I like that idea.
< 1446315252 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enchant color. All permanents have protection from enchanted color."
< 1446315266 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not actually theoretically valid, I think. Only objects and zones can be targeted, and colors aren't objects.
< 1446315274 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45020&oldid=45019 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+20) 10/* Instructions */
< 1446315282 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't think that one would be printed. It doesn't cause rules trouble, but typeless permanents should be more difficult to make, for flavor reasons. But there's some card that turns artifact creatures to non-creature artifacts somewhere.
< 1446315313 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, Neurok Transmuter
< 1446315326 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reify. Sorcery. Choose a rules-defined concept. That concept becomes an object until end of turn.
< 1446315329 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "Enchant color" doesn't work, you can enchant only objects, players, and zones,
< 1446315332 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's something similar
< 1446315338 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a moment
< 1446315364 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... I think the rules imply that you *can't* enchant a player.
< 1446315389 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, I misread.
< 1446315401 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only objects, players, and zones can be targeted.
< 1446315402 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's Absolute Grace and Absolute Law that gives all creatures protection from a particular color
< 1446315406 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45021&oldid=45020 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+240) 10/* Instructions */
< 1446315411 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, for a moment I thought it's impossible to ever target a player.
< 1446315421 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, and there's one or two enchantments that enchant players, and _much more_ sorceries and instants that target a player
< 1446315434 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lava Axe is about the most famous one
< 1446315450 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lava Axe. Sorcery. Choose a player. Lava Axe deals 5 damage to that player.
< 1446315498 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1446315517 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, maybe not. Ancestral Recall might be more famous. But there's lots of sorceries and instants that target a player anyway.
< 1446315526 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I cast Lava Axe." "Against who—me or that other kid?" "Oh, I dunno."
< 1446315555 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Distress and lots of other discarders
< 1446315593 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hymn to Tourach is well-known because it's among the more powerful ones,
< 1446315605 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... what's the other powerful one?
< 1446315610 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ancestral Recall. Instant. Choose one — Draw three cards. Choose an opponent and physically force that opponent to draw three cards.
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< 1446315632 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Persecute, yes
< 1446315644 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, no
< 1446315656 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"physically force"? no way
< 1446315656 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1446315672 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do that
< 1446315686 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure you can. It'd be banned in Vintage, though.
< 1446315740 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's any part of the rules saying the players can't be subject to physical harm.
< 1446315764 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tournament rules, maybe, but not game rules.
< 1446315771 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, cards override those.
< 1446315810 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Untouchable. Sorcery. For the remainder of the tournament, you can't be disqualified.
< 1446315813 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, but the card specifically says that that player draws, not that you force him to draw,
< 1446315848 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :further, you must give that player the chance to concede before he reveals the cards he draws if you have a Telepathy in play
< 1446315869 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, they always have to have the chance to concede.
< 1446315929 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously this applies not only to power nine, but more recent cards that make the opponent draw cards, eg. Inspiration
< 1446315946 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enchantment — Aura. Enchant player. Enchanted player can't concede. (This ability has no effect.)
< 1446316033 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1446316041 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are actually 19 auras that enchant a player
< 1446316044 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there were less
< 1446316059 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I hope there's still only two or three cards that give an ability to a player
< 1446316119 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. This card has all characteristics. (It has all names, mana costs, colors, card types, subtypes, supertypes, rules texts, abilities, powers, toughnesses, and loyalties.)
< 1446316124 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they?
< 1446316166 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All mana costs, powers, and toughnesses. I think that wouldn't really work.
< 1446316217 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean
< 1446316233 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the cards that give an ability to a player?
< 1446316234 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making an unrelated remark, not answering your question.
< 1446316236 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ivory Mask is one
< 1446316262 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45022&oldid=45021 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+58) 10/* Example Programs */
< 1446316266 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runed Halo is another.
< 1446316310 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: all characteristics? I don't think that works. what would Rush of Knowledge and similar cards do if you have a permanent like that in play?
< 1446316342 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aegis of the Gods is another.
< 1446316350 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&text=|[%22player%20has%22]|[%22you%20have%22]|[%22opponent%20has%22]|[%22she%20has%22]
< 1446316402 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's solved automatically
< 1446316411 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't have such an object on the battlefield
< 1446316460 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's an Instant and a Sorcery, and in fact you can't even have it in your deck, because it's also a Plane, Vanguard, Scheme, Conspiracy, and whatever is the fifth and sixth such type too
< 1446316468 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phenomenon, right?
< 1446316472 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a sixth?
< 1446316498 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure you can have it in your sideboard. You can have Conspiracies in your sideboard, but I'm not sure about Planes
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< 1446316516 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imperial Mask is another one.
< 1446316561 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it certainly can't etb, and if it is on the battlefield and gets Broken or loses Humility, it will get removed from the battlefield
< 1446316562 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I should have also included "players have", "opponents have", "teammate has", "teammates have", and (gulp) "they have".
< 1446316616 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leyline of Sanctity.
< 1446316630 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably "no maximum hand size" is not an ability.
< 1446316653 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orbs of Warding.
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< 1446316680 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnurd.
< 1446316732 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, so Aegis of the Gods, Gilded Light, Imperial Mask, Ivory Mask, Leyline of Sanctity (is that a real word?), Orbs of Warding, Runed Halo, Seht's Tiger, Solitary Confinement, Spirit of the Hearth, True Believer, Witchbane Orb.
< 1446316737 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there were fewer than those
< 1446316753 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes 12 that I found
< 1446316756 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be more
< 1446316793 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solitary Confinement.
< 1446316798 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops.
< 1446316805 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're looking at them too.
< 1446316820 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, "leyline" and "sanctity" are both real words.
< 1446316830 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally thought there were fewer. 
< 1446316836 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, most of those aren't even very new.
< 1446316842 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, they're rares
< 1446316843 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1446316948 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think giving even a card that isn't a permanent all mana costs, all powers, or all toughnesses, could cause a problem, because there are effects that care about those numbers; though giving a non-permanent more than one mana cost is fine and already happens,
< 1446316959 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think more than one power or toughness could be dealt with.
< 1446316999 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think nothing currently has more than one power or toughness at the same time, but it wouldn't break anything on non-permanents.
< 1446317030 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, What Were You Before? Enchantment. You're a creature.
< 1446317082 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that doesn't work, so much that they wouldn't dare to print it even on Form of the Squirrel in un-land
< 1446317132 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: MaRo reports that he originally wanted to print it with "As Form of the Squirrel comes into play, put a 1/1 green Squirrel token into play. You are that Squirrel"
< 1446317148 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't work even in un-land
< 1446317179 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :later they printed Form of the Dragon in non-un, but of course it also doesn't make you a creature
< 1446317325 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45023&oldid=45022 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+420) 10/* Instructions */
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< 1446317474 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You. Enchantment. You're a 2/2 creature. You aren't destroyed as a result of having toughness 0 or less, being dealt lethal damage, or being dealt damage by a source with deathtouch. If you would leave the battlefield, sacrifice this enchantment instead.
< 1446317540 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it could work in any form, sorry.
< 1446317556 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In un-land, maybe. Not in black bordered land.
< 1446317591 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, one more try.
< 1446317632 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any form, I said.
< 1446317636 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just can't work.
< 1446317651 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't have a player that's also a permanent. 
< 1446317657 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would tear a hole on the rules.
< 1446317693 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can't even have a player that changes zones.
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< 1446317740 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You. Creature. 2/2. Damage that would be dealt to you is dealt to You instead. Whenever You is dealt damage, you lose that much life. You isn't destroyed as a result of having toughness 0 or less, being dealt lethal damage, or being dealt damage by a source with deathtouch.
< 1446317782 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that can work, though I don't see why it doesn't say "You is indestructible." instead of the last ability
< 1446317797 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can still be destroyed by anything else.
< 1446317809 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, it would say "You has indestructibility." currently
< 1446317811 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they changed it
< 1446317833 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did?
< 1446317843 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily, "indestructibility" is an ability now, but "unblockable" still isn't
< 1446317850 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, recently
< 1446317855 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next you'll tell me they've changed "[This creature] can fly" to "Flying".
< 1446317877 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1446317884 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would say "You has indestructible."
< 1446317886 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's how it's called
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< 1446317945 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily, "unblockable" isn't an ability and it isn't even a word used in rules text anymore. sad.
< 1446317989 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett TOPIC #esoteric :You has indestructible. | The Corruptic Channello | ɛ̃ˈglɪʃ spɛˈliŋ ʀɘfɔʀm/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://esolangs.org/
< 1446318035 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just errataed all the old cards to "can't be blocked". 
< 1446318100 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aether Figment, Escape Artist, Metathran Soldier, Veil of Secrecy, Protective Bubble, they all say that now
< 1446318147 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Soltari Foot Soldier doesn't say that, but it never really said unblockable anyway.)
< 1446318150 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely "can't be blocked" is an ability, though.
< 1446318159 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't the rules text of a permanent consist entirely of abilities?
< 1446318214 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, but Veil of Secrecy doesn't give an ability to a creature, so if you cast Veil of Secrecy on a bear, then it still gets the bonus of that crazy time spiral card, and is still unblockable if it's Humble.
< 1446318243 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1446318269 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas Indestructibility now gives an actual ability, so if you enchant a bear with Indestructilbility, it won't get the bonus of the Petroglyphs, and can be destroyed if it's Humble
< 1446318297 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metathran Solder does have an ability, namely “~ can't be blocked.”
< 1446318326 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if Metathran Soldier is Humble, it can be blocked
< 1446318370 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Cephalid Pathmage doesn't give an ability either (and never did).
< 1446318396 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protective Bubble does give an ability, but it's shroud only.
< 1446318585 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shroud is one that didn't use to be an ability: back before, I dunno, tenth edition or M2010 or something, Diplomatic Immunity didn't use to give an ability to the creature it's enchanted, but now it does.
< 1446318603 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably M2010 or M2012 
< 1446318867 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Bexandre/SpeedPL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45024&oldid=45010 5* 03Bexandre 5* (+5) 10
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< 1446323053 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link partner advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 
< 1446323055 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very retro.
< 1446323062 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ten megabits and half-duplex.
< 1446323235 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um, what distance is it, and is it something where you'd need high bandwidth, or something where you don't need high bandwidth anyway?
< 1446323267 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, next room, two hundred meters, city ten kilometers away, satellite a light second away?
< 1446323417 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo, only one thing I really got wrong that time. Legend is not a creature type.
< 1446323432 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured "Legend" was a creature type and, in addition, "Legendary" was a supertype.
< 1446323443 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter used to be the case but now isn't.
< 1446323454 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, Legend isn't a creature type anymore. nor is Hero, sadly
< 1446323463 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor is Lord, but that's a good thing
< 1446323501 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wall could be a land type. It isn't, but it could be.
< 1446323509 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I should say "could have been".
< 1446323520 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can have a land type and a creature type with the same name.
< 1446323546 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1446323559 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you can't really, because then it would be hard to tell what it refers to
< 1446323562 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in rules text
< 1446323598 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for walls, my favourite is Iron Wall
< 1446323606 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just spell it differently. "Walll".
< 1446323611 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1446323617 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steel Wall
< 1446323661 0 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have that.
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< 1446323737 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steel Wall is nice in the sense that they don't print walls that powerful these days
< 1446323755 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the standard is Wall of Wood, 0/3 defender for {G}
< 1446323769 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas there are lots of old walls that are underpowered and obsolated by later creatures
< 1446323819 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, Mistform Wall is a 1/4 wall for {2U} that you can activate to turn to non-wall, but these days you just get a 1/4 for {2U} any time without fuss,
< 1446323935 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mirror Wall is a 3/4 wall for {3U} that you can activate to turn to a non-wall, and while you don't get a 3/4 for {3U} without a drawback even today, it's still sort of underpowered as a wall that can attack.
< 1446323953 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the old walls are underpowered, and they print too few walls these days.
< 1446323966 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor even good defenders
< 1446323974 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Same room.
< 1446323977 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Order of the Stars is another nice powerful defender
< 1446323982 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: About one metre.
< 1446324016 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1446324062 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying (and failing) to scrub any personal things out of these old boxes (Sun SparcStation 5, SGI Indy) as a prequel to giving them away, but it's being difficult.
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< 1446324088 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not quite Wall of Wood. I think they also print Wall of Vines, which is 0/3 reach wall for {G}
< 1446324164 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :other nice old walls are Wall of Hope and Wall of Glare, but they're not very powerful, they're more combo pieces than powerful alone but even in combos they aren't too powerful, and luckily they do print more creatures (even non-defender) with Wall of Glare's ability nowadays than they used to
< 1446324171 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ability god cheaper
< 1446324173 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :got cheaper
< 1446324177 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a monitor compatible with the Sparc any more (it's got the 13w3 connector -- same as the Indy's monitor, but it's of course not compatible -- I have a 13w3-to-4xBNC adapter cable, but I don't have the old CRT with the BNC R/G/B/sync inputs that used to work).
< 1446324308 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can also do console on the serial port, but I found only a DB9-female/DB25-female serial cable -- the other end fits to a serial port in a regular computer, but the serial ports on the Sparc are DB25 female too. I vaguely recall having a gender changer adapter for this setup, but can't find it (probably it's in Finland, if not lost altogether), and I don't want to start buying stuff I ...
< 1446324314 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wouldn't use more than once. Plus I don't know whether it needs a straight-through adapter, or one that does the straight-to-null-modem-cable conversion too. I think the former, but I'd probably get it wrong.
< 1446324497 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the Indy I've got a monitor, but I have no idea what sort of username/password it's expecting, and I don't have the IRIX installation media that's part of the normal password recovery. I think it should theoretically boot from network, but it's got a graphics card that Linux doesn't support. And the same sort of serial port as the Sparc.
< 1446324593 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the disks are all SCSI, and these are the only SCSI hosts I've got.
< 1446324677 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-srrwupqbrocsiccm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1446324817 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could find a copy of the Irix CDs somewhere, and then do the bootp-tftp dance to get at least that one running.
< 1446324859 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1446324904 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a graphics card that Linux doesn't support? do you mean it wouldn't be able to have accelerated graphics, or that it wouldn't be able to show anything on the display even if you do some dances compiling a custom kernel and programs?
< 1446324919 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :use it through network and serial console then
< 1446324936 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you don't have a monitor anyway?
< 1446324942 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a monitor for the Indy.
< 1446324949 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1446324956 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not compatible with the Sparc.
< 1446324959 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :serial port then?
< 1446324969 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and network?
< 1446324973 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have those?
< 1446324974 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I explained my serial port woes a while ago.
< 1446324994 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 9 vs 25 pin?
< 1446325006 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just female on both my only serial cable and the machine.
< 1446325008 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can give away them without, those serial port cables aren't difficult to get
< 1446325014 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1446325031 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't female the normal gender for that? um
< 1446325047 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1446325051 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :serial ports should be male on the machine
< 1446325055 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and female on the cable
< 1446325056 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :both side
< 1446325058 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1446325062 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, except they're female on both the Sparc and Indy.
< 1446325065 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They like to be different.
< 1446325068 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that would be more difficult to solve
< 1446325080 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1446325087 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did have an adapter, because I've used the serial console. I just don't want to get a new one.
< 1446325128 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I can't give them away without getting them working, because I want to see what I've saved there.
< 1446325131 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have some sort of standard socket on the motherboard that is connected to a female port, and where you could replace that cable inside the chasis, perhaps?
< 1446325155 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, does it at least take a keyboard on a port you have a keyboard for?
< 1446325166 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I've got authentic SGI and Sun keyboards for both.
< 1446325180 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1446325189 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Indy is PS/2, anyway.
< 1446325190 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ports do those use, out of curiosity?
< 1446325193 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1446325206 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Sun one is... I don't know what it's called, it's just "that Sun keyboard/mouse port".
< 1446325213 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1446325217 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You plug the mouse to the keyboard, and the keyboard to the machine.
< 1446325267 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try doing the IRIX netboot for password recovery first, that *should* work if I find an IRIX disc.
< 1446325275 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-1032878.html seems very very helpful.
< 1446325280 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the wrong link.
< 1446325293 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://software.majix.org/irix/install-network.shtml was what I was aiming at.
< 1446325295 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you give them away to collectors, they might have the right tools to use them
< 1446325305 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware from other partial machines
< 1446325309 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes, but: 20:58  Also I can't give them away without getting them working, because I want to see what I've saved there.
< 1446325320 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1446325321 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1446325330 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them has my IRC logs, for example.
< 1446325334 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably.)
< 1446325335 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just read the hard disks in another computer?
< 1446325344 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have anything that speaks SCSI except for these two. :p
< 1446325357 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :borrow a scsi card, or a machine that has a scsi card
< 1446325359 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those aren't exactly rare
< 1446325370 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask a friend with access to such a machine to copy it for you
< 1446325385 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anyone, at least in this country. Though maybe I could ask around.
< 1446325400 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask around, they might have a server like that
< 1446325409 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can those hard disks be hotplugged?
< 1446325529 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the internal ones can. The external ones, sure.
< 1446325544 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCSI is a mess of standards, anyway. I'll see if I can get this done without resorting to any extra equipment.
< 1446325595 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall that my boss's boss's monitor (we were moving desks, happened to notice) at work has BNC inputs, I could maybe plug the Sparc into that.
< 1446325602 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't easily put a linux on neither of the machines?
< 1446325646 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, BNC inputs is another of those things that you can find at a friend, though carrying the machine might be more difficult than just carrying a hard disk
< 1446325695 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The Sparc has OpenBSD on it, but it's hard to netboot it "blindly" without having either a real console or a serial one.
< 1446325712 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1446325719 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1446325807 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, actually the Indy's serial ports are some sort of weird round DIN connectors.
< 1446325819 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good
< 1446325828 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably find a converter for that
< 1446325856 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or get an engineer to make some temporary wires. 
< 1446325869 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even a permanent converter
< 1446325965 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/jackolantern.jpg
< 1446325975 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i carved pumkins!
< 1446325996 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1446326010 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record (got to Indy's boot monitor), it's got the GR3-XZ graphics.
< 1446326041 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's no support for the XZ board since there's no documentation for it available", writes someone on the linux-mips mailing list.
< 1446326051 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bag behind them is full of candy
< 1446326054 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok
< 1446326064 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :candy!
< 1446326314 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ec0: machine has bad ethernet address: 06:08:7f:f1:08:08"
< 1446326318 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so bad about that? 
< 1446326462 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad to the backbone
< 1446326466 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbbbbad
< 1446327023 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1446327297 0 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1446327350 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'mma give each kid like two full size choclate bars and a lollipo[p
< 1446327364 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fuck you, parents
< 1446327382 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the spirit
< 1446327402 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially parents who try to control sugar intake. fuck them hard
< 1446327409 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know they sell paper straws that are full of granulated sugar
< 1446327415 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats me, oren :)
< 1446327420 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome!
< 1446327423 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're good at keepign your plan from working
< 1446327432 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we collect the candy, dole it out slowly and mostly just eat it ourselves
< 1446327436 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because parents arent on a sugar diet
< 1446327469 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sugar straws http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_r4c80ZXXzGo/TSs94JdFsoI/AAAAAAAAB-Q/Oad9CA5KqOo/s1600/Sugar_Diva_Pink_Dots_Stripe_Paper_Straws.png
< 1446327472 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I made sure to pick ones like Caramilk that in my esperience make old people get sick
< 1446327487 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tj-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/2013/09/Screen-Shot-2013-09-05-at-9.16.23-AM-550x370.png
< 1446327778 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Linux doesn't know how to mount the IRIX 6.5 installation disc image, because it's too SGI. (For net-booting, the tftp server needs to have the files from it.)
< 1446327813 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's supposedly just regular EFS.
< 1446327838 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was almost disappointingly easy (-t efs).
< 1446327857 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1446327911 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to install IRIX on a modern computer
< 1446327929 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: no
< 1446327941 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: he's trying to get an old IRIX machine and an old Sun machine to work,
< 1446327948 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and read the data saved on their hard disks
< 1446327954 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1446328004 0 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric
< 1446328264 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This fiddling is so much fun, I hope I don't start to regret my decision to give these away.
< 1446328919 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what kind of candy are you going to/have already give out?
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< 1446329550 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm doing any of that. Do they even do that here? 
< 1446329576 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I don't get it: this installation media only has fx, no sash.)
< 1446330213 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1446330223 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what god-forsaken country doesn't do Halloween?!?!
< 1446330267 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen that much Halloween going on here in the UK.
< 1446330273 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We did have lots of candy at work, though.
< 1446330280 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think we talked about this a few hours ago. “Back when I was young, children used to put on costumes at the end of February. Now they're instead doing it on Halloween.”
< 1446330323 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oh *course*. The CD doesn't have sash in the *filesystem*, it's got it somehow as a separate partition: http://sprunge.us/iAci
< 1446330336 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for candy, we eat them on --12-06, when Santa Claus fills shoes of good boys with them. It's shoes because boys no longer wear stockings.
< 1446330353 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :parted can read SGI disk labels, but of course loop-mounting doesn't do partitions.
< 1446330362 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But of course you can put on costumes or eat candy any other day too.)
< 1446330398 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, we eat them on --12-07, because Santa Claus brings them on the night after --12-06 
< 1446330399 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember being annoyed by this in a more reasonable context, something about having a full-hard-disk image and not being able to conveniently see/mount the individual partitions.
< 1446330415 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget about any workarounds. I guess I could just dd those things out.
< 1446330431 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think these days you can loop mount partitions
< 1446330444 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: as in, set an offset, and lately size too, to the loop device
< 1446330452 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly explicitly with losetup or its bsd equivalent command
< 1446330457 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than through mount
< 1446330465 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I don't think the partition has any sort of file system, it's just the data.
< 1446330468 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how you access partitions if the kernel doesn't understand your partition table
< 1446330479 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what?
< 1446330484 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of data?
< 1446330489 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the executable.
< 1446330492 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1446330504 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange
< 1446330515 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell. The CD has a SGI disklabel, with one xfs partition, and two "file" partitions.
< 1446330521 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, partitions can have a short boot loader at their start
< 1446330531 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a few ten kilobytes at most
< 1446330545 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then usually they load files from the file system (possibly specially prepared files, not just any file)
< 1446330555 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't work like that here.
< 1446330560 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange
< 1446330561 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1446330573 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I remember
< 1446330589 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :old versions of Linux could work that way too, they could be loaded right from a floppy disk without a boot loader,
< 1446330593 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you don't get boot parameters
< 1446330615 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was removed a year ago or so, because now boot loaders are much better, nobody uses floppy disks, and people want real boot parameter strings
< 1446330621 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Binary combinatory logic14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45025&oldid=13884 5* 03121.223.2.235 5* (-8) 10Site was moved to github
< 1446330638 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kernels often don't even fit in a floppy disk
< 1446330639 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but this isn't even at the start of the disc. I think the idea is that the PROM is clever enough to understand the SGI disklabel partition table format, but not the actual filesystem, so you put the kernel as a "partition" and tell it to load that.
< 1446330646 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1446330654 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got both sashARCS and sash64 to support MIPS32 and MIPS64 with the same disc.
< 1446330657 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :floppy disks usually aren't partitioned, but that's mostly because they're small
< 1446330661 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard disk is bigger, right?
< 1446330666 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a CD image.
< 1446330677 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it could well be the same sort of setup for the hard disk.
< 1446330680 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely bigger then
< 1446330763 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 18.7 MB partition with xfs listed as the file system type, the 32- and 64-bit sash executables (281 kB, 342 kB) and a big 431MB partition with no file system type or name.
< 1446330778 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems to be the thing I get mounted when I loop-mount that with -t efs.
< 1446330817 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, I'll try extracting just the sashARCS binary. I'm not that interested in actually installing IRIX, just booting into sash should be enough to let me mount the hard disk and reset the password.
< 1446330817 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so could you at least copy the contents of the hard disk to some other disk you can read elsewhere?
< 1446330834 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you want to reset the password too
< 1446330846 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, not necessarily, but that seems almost easiest.
< 1446330996 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't understand why I can never remember which one of dd's skip/seek does what.
< 1446331024 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :skip is input, seek is output? or not. 
< 1446331028 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the man page
< 1446331032 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :before the toaster stabs you
< 1446331067 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You got them right.
< 1446331072 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I always have to read the man page.
< 1446331075 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :sashARCS: MIPSEB MIPS-II ECOFF executable (impure) not stripped - version 7.30
< 1446331082 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very promising, I think I hit the right offset.
< 1446331116 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will be interesting to see if my regular DHCP server is good enough in faking BOOTP for it, though.
< 1446331118 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :output is seek, because output seeking can't work on an unseekable file handle, whereas input skipping can just read if the input is unseekable
< 1446331129 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how I remember it
< 1446331131 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's a nice mnemonic.
< 1446331236 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the question is, are skip and seek relative to SEEK_SET or SEEK_CUR if dd operates on file descriptors that are already sought?
< 1446331273 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my answer is: just use perl for that kind of stuff. and don't forget to binmode on non-unix.
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< 1446331301 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though dd is useful because of the built-in reaction to SIGUSR1
< 1446331664 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm.
< 1446331710 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says: "ec0: bad ethernet address 6:8:7f:f1:8:8" + "unable to load bootp()..." and so on.
< 1446331736 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm hmm
< 1446331791 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be an answer about this in the NetBSD sgimips port's FAQ.
< 1446331814 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It involves manually writing to the PROM.
< 1446331835 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a bit strange, because this thing used to work, with no "bad ethernet address" errors.
< 1446331922 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least the dump command they suggest matches with the supposedly bad ethernet address.
< 1446332019 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's a very good idea to reuse the address the machine was shipped with. Check the back of the machine if you cannot remember it."
< 1446332035 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing at the back of the machine.
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< 1446332582 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it did remember the address I set, which is maybe a good sign, although I fear problems might this sound like hardware ones.
< 1446332685 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says the same "bad ethernet address" for the new value I've set. I'd really like to know what makes an address bad.
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< 1446332910 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh. I'll probably need to install newer versions of stuff
< 1446333039 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript II14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=45026&oldid=45023 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+130) 10/* Instructions */
< 1446333095 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, good night
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< 1446335030 0 :nitrix!~nitrix@unaffiliated/nitrix PRIVMSG #esoteric :When witches go riding, and black cats are seen, the moon laughs and whispers, ’tis near Halloween. Hope you're enjoying the festivities and having a scary good time! MUAHahahAHah! >:)
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< 1446335523 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup! but the most important part to me is the look on some well meaning woman's face when I give her son two chocolate bars and a handful of lollipops!
< 1446335642 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, you want your kids to be healthy? healthy, THIS
< 1446335662 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muhuhahahahahahhaaa!
< 1446335750 0 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-02-1242510774.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to compound the horror, the lollipops are the sour kind and the chocolate bars are cramilk and coffee crisp