< 1444348830 144593 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellochaf. < 1444348900 243979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sell gifflar in Finland. < 1444348906 153532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they're very good. < 1444348949 414768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the blueberry ones had a certain something. < 1444349485 415669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you know anything about acquiring cloudberry liqueur in the US? < 1444349497 909893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would be silly to expect you to. < 1444349513 873846 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444349554 760643 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you fold seen chesh yet (randomly generated chess variant) http://mightyvision.blogspot.com/2015/10/chesh.html < 1444349568 360834 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fold/folk < 1444349613 140254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444349752 566792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZ < 1444350162 492506 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should name my font something better < 1444350400 657454 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :name it testfont28.font < 1444350462 139274 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444350576 194871 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it lines up in firefox but not chrome. greaaat < 1444350589 373423 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444350616 327457 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :connection reset by the NSA < 1444350652 447863 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :connection reset by Jeff Bezos < 1444350676 176024 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444350755 37 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444350845 583872 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444350883 685688 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my machine just froze. music still playing, but no mouse input nor keyboard input. < 1444350937 662022 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444350940 9796 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you writing? < 1444350944 717 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but! even though Ctrl-Alt-Del did nothing, and Ctrl-Alt-Backspace was useless, I remembered the magic Alt-SysRq sequence. glad to see Ubuntu doesn't disable the NUCLEAR CODES! < 1444350947 971417 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: rebooted. < 1444351120 328522 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444351156 628137 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. < 1444352479 275191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: All I know is that there's the https://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-3248.aspx brand and they seem to have a lot of sellers in the nets. < 1444352499 435545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But they charge $50 or $100 or something for delivery to the US. < 1444352502 126045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems excessive. < 1444352706 117303 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444352793 446598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's just one of them. But yes, it seems. < 1444352823 848449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't find anything better. < 1444352837 782967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it used to be available in Canada, but I can't find it now. < 1444352921 451977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. The UK prices didn't seem that bad. < 1444352936 110139 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have a specific brand and/or name? < 1444352965 660542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lakka something? < 1444352998 729813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone said something about Toronto Center LCBO. < 1444353041 867354 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1444353237 568879 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.saq.com/page/fr/saqcom/liqueur-de-fruit/chicoutai/330621 ? even if it mentions "airelles", according to http://www.saveurscanada.com/Liqueur-de-Mure-des-Marais-Chicoutai-p-412-c-10_182.html it's from "chicouté" which are cloudberries. < 1444353277 415492 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heh. 25,45$ is much cheaper than 25,95 Eur.) < 1444353289 906502 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you want to get shipped some? < 1444353404 670609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1444353425 13887 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1444353461 158066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether I actually want some. I don't really do the alcohol thing, typically. < 1444353470 808483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe I should try it. And I know some people who might be interested. < 1444353480 531244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for the Finnish variety but this is possible also. < 1444353504 100401 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Québec and Finland are practically the same place. < 1444353550 105195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Québec and Foxtrot are practically the same word. < 1444353581 235117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Québec < 1444353582 88507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Québec? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1444353613 672345 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quesadilla and Foxtrot are practically the same dance. < 1444353751 488550 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444353789 897464 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Québec/Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche; y fait frette icitte! < 1444353792 387054 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «québec» < 1444353830 763525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Quebec < 1444353831 603617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quebec? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1444353923 609890 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn quebec/Attache ta tuque with the spindle; there is around here fret! < 1444353925 612354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «quebec» < 1444353938 768016 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ah, google, never stop being you.) < 1444354064 96627 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1444354853 138087 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of being frette, time to add a layer of indirection to my bedsheets. < 1444354863 713314 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: OFFERED CHICKEN < 1444354940 921868 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://json.org/ what software did they use to produce the pictures? < 1444355409 707850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite documentation has some similar pictures and their FAQ tells the program they used; these are a bit different but they are similar. < 1444356040 829152 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1444356066 146558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also made a library for using JSON with SQL < 1444356232 872210 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? does it take a json file and somehow convert it to a sql table? < 1444356413 754355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually reads it in as a virtual table; you can easily transfer the contents of a virtual table into a real table though. < 1444356470 96333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Alternatively, you can transfer the contents of the virtual table into a view, and then attach triggers to the view that will convert the data into the schema you require.) < 1444356783 469225 :deltab!~deltab@cpc2-smal2-0-0-cust22.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: they're called railroad diagrams or syntax diagrams: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syntax_diagram < 1444356804 982829 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, they used that name in the sqlite docs < 1444356820 422174 :deltab!~deltab@cpc2-smal2-0-0-cust22.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sqlite.org/docsrc/finfo?name=art/syntax/bubble-generator.tcl < 1444356832 213552 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found that link :P < 1444356839 361297 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444356849 443162 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in < 1444356849 620383 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in < 1444356860 856184 :deltab!~deltab@cpc2-smal2-0-0-cust22.19-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bottlecaps.de/rr/ui < 1444356935 299058 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444356956 308923 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1444357089 949157 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat! < 1444357099 539754 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Client Quit < 1444357099 716913 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Client Quit < 1444358347 464022 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444358369 544175 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1444358836 915712 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-apsecujfgicmorbp JOIN :#esoteric < 1444360185 373671 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444360928 705521 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444361203 452895 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1444361361 522966 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1444361604 768980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1008 < 1444361605 719368 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1008: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1444361642 87843 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1444362029 690722 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm my order of the stick automatic hasn't gone off < 1444362910 662613 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAQAAAAAUASUSDUASUFSAUDFAUSDFUGHHHHH < 1444362919 665754 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree. < 1444362927 306488 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theres' one pixel wrong in one character in my font < 1444362948 533065 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stray pixel is messing up the width of the whole font < 1444362966 864365 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I CANT FIND IT < 1444363123 721816 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like 5000 charatcers here, and I didn't notice this before so I don't even know when I added the character with the stray pixel < 1444363990 499736 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444364704 375213 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: How do you know that there's a pixel wrong? < 1444364742 794598 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the font is showing up as 10 px wide when it should be 9 px < 1444364935 65363 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :by elimination, I've determined that one of the kana or bopomofo characters must be too wide < 1444365036 999225 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know it's one of the bopomofo characters < 1444365119 257143 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are the characters stored < 1444365119 735024 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1444365132 333772 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, is it possible to iterate somehow over each character and check the width? :P < 1444365294 929806 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It < 1444365328 43579 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It? < 1444365329 187970 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a BDF, and although I could probably parse that in Perl, i can't be assed to do it < 1444365339 219661 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1444365451 7716 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: So... get the line with the hex value that's greater than 111111111, if I misunderstand incorrectly? < 1444365900 797578 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. the problem is with a CJK character with a width greateer than 18 pixels < 1444365914 329922 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've almost found it < 1444365925 350035 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I misunderstood correctly. :( < 1444365974 567586 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah looking for a character with a number like ffffc0 could work < 1444366004 550393 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean to misunderstand correctly/incorrectly? < 1444366009 948930 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misunderstood partially correctly! :D < 1444366025 862589 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Shift the negative over to the next word, and two negatives cancel out. < 1444366038 504858 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok but that's pointlessly confusing < 1444366049 617274 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1444366059 420293 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try that if i can't solve it my current way < 1444366333 80366 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've narrowed it down to one of six characters < 1444366379 469785 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the six characters ㄋㄌㄍㄎㄏㄐ is an asshole < 1444366403 975105 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is ruining everything < 1444366582 57459 :zgrep!~zgrep@zgrep.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that 6 characters is narrow enough to check to see if there's a number like ffffc0. < 1444366762 436871 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ㄋ < 1444366849 910417 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except... I can't see anything wrong with it!?@!?!@?@ < 1444367038 970604 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1444367078 853674 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah fuck it I'll figure this out on the weekend < 1444367664 401137 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1444369552 485373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the ruling for "Orator of Ojutai" is misplaced; it clearly says "if you revealed a Dragon card as you cast ~", so nobody would have cast the copy. < 1444370107 617726 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444370731 161568 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444371396 429705 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so there's this game i play with wine and when you're a team it's beneficial to have your players enter the battle in a given order < 1444371411 643794 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :healer first then tank then buffer then hammer, ideally < 1444371449 429837 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server sends asks the client "are you ready" and the client replies "i sure am" and you join the battle < 1444371468 719189 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on windows there's this trick: when you drag the window the game freezes < 1444371476 535175 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can lag on purpose < 1444371500 930283 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the hammer can enter the battle in the right position < 1444371508 835183 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't work on wine :( < 1444371520 37562 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game doesn't freeze... < 1444371521 322499 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid linux :( < 1444371771 894653 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could hook up a thing to send a SIGSTOP and SIGCONT to the game < 1444371812 418205 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone here mess around with Golly? < 1444371818 866759 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game of life thiny < 1444371819 157671 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yeah but why do i have to :C < 1444374726 207108 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444375095 210680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, then you can do it even without dragging the window < 1444375338 370809 :synthetiques!~synthetiq@128-79-96-150.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1444375401 466973 :synthetiques!~synthetiq@128-79-96-150.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Client Quit < 1444376351 336037 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444376365 729442 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 QUIT :Client Quit < 1444376389 184702 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444376405 702775 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea for a non-stack based concatenative language < 1444376409 264637 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/Au5IJN1N < 1444376543 952784 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls will turn into (ls) and is then fed to both sum and length < 1444376571 128814 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which results in (sumOfLs,lenOfLs) and is then fed to div < 1444376754 79032 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically internally you might as well use a stack) < 1444376767 220731 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you won't be bothered with dup instructions < 1444376783 899433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea which is Magic: the Gathering cards that would ask for "devotion to Phyrexian" < 1444376916 802013 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1444377005 339344 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you mean rage extractor? < 1444377023 143921 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I really hate things with such narrow effects. < 1444377060 634140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is similar to Rage Extractor kind of, but not quite < 1444377128 207506 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to do something nice, try to figure out what mechanic could be an evergreen keyword for blue+black < 1444377142 736659 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that is the only color combination that has no shared evergreen keyword. < 1444377173 214659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not hate such narrow effects, although it would be possible to use narrow effect on a card that does other thing too < 1444377249 226932 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is there really a good reason to not just use normal devotion? < 1444377257 313098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways my favourite format is Magic: the Puzzling < 1444377385 38917 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " b_jonas: The best reference I know for VGA register programming [...] says "Fonts are either 8 or 9 pixels wide and can be from 1 to 32 pixels high."" -- that's the theory, yes, but you need the card to actually be able to handle it. you need the card to be able to address enough of the video RAM for text mode, plus VGA cards are sometimes unstable in text mode at high clock frequencies that they easily handle in graphics mode. < 1444377398 69548 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because high-res high-frequency text mode is simply not the priority. < 1444377416 387827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, single line text mode will _probably_ work. I just have never tested it. < 1444377422 449159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This book says mark's favorite rosewater card is Sorrow's Path. < 1444377484 594610 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid meme card < 1444377796 357844 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about roguelikes? < 1444377944 631076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a bit < 1444378019 181601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaswafers: If "mill" was a keyword, I suppose it would be a blue-black keyword? < 1444378035 578511 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I kind of try to apply roguelike design to mtg < 1444378052 681182 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: everyone would hate that < 1444378059 758310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1444378062 433123 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every hates UB being the color of lolmill < 1444378092 443860 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it can't be viable in 60+ card formats < 1444378344 59978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to have "Fateseal 2 and then target opponent draws a card." < 1444378385 217376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or even if it is just fateseal 1) < 1444378488 518820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would buy all of the books of Magic: the Puzzling if they printed any more such book! < 1444378546 689946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but, they don't) < 1444378734 100950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I gave one of your puzzles to someone. < 1444378739 184160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzle.3, I think. < 1444378778 670931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They said it doesn't even have a question. It's all statements. < 1444378799 424750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But assuming they have to win, they call a judge and say their opponent has an illegal deck. < 1444378855 287524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The format isn't Constructed, so it is OK < 1444378879 118229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It could be Cube, for example) < 1444378992 326798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that isn't important; the actual format is Puzzle. < 1444379068 867781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you are correct it doesn't even have a question; but one isn't needed as it is the default if not otherwise specified. < 1444379114 981015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you figure out this puzzle though? < 1444379203 693374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, M:tG puzzles have complicated conventions about default assumptions like Chess puzzles, where you first have to solve another problem, and if you can prove it has no solution, then the question is the other default one? < 1444379279 197512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There is only one though < 1444379297 967847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know there is no "other default one" < 1444379873 513960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1444380241 789239 :Gaswafers!68e76a21@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.231.106.33 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1444380266 561693 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1444380414 441605 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444381065 269670 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444381230 404109 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444381234 842124 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444381279 469602 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444381325 106121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they should print a "Puzzlement" set, that is mainly for puzzling and secondly for playing game (it could be in Limited formats only if needed) < 1444381501 440348 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1444381666 247789 :sid123_!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:48c0:5774:ec69:4aeb JOIN :#esoteric < 1444381701 639131 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444382312 126457 :sid123_!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:48c0:5774:ec69:4aeb NICK :bender < 1444382567 570255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure that would be a good idea. < 1444382595 61130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you admire the puzzles because they're built in a game from cards that weren't specifically designed for puzzles. < 1444382632 608724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg. if you added cards that were specifically designed to facilitate computations, then it wouldn't be so interesting that you can perform Turing-complete computations. < 1444382684 517609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Also, if you had cards that are mostly used for puzzles, why would you _print_ them. Would you buy physical cards just because they are useful for a puzzle? < 1444383262 904435 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otthnrpslrnqfsbp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444383263 797546 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-apsecujfgicmorbp QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1444383377 225877 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444383396 752170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a language where the main flow control feature is a try{} block and division by zero (or some other arithmetical error) throwing an exception? < 1444383421 851507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used throwing division by zero in a perl obfu. < 1444383434 825949 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0, 9) -> range ~> [ :9 -> range ] ~> [ ~> +1 ] would then be somewhan like map (\ls -> map (\d -> succ d)) $ (map (\c -> range c 9) range 0 9) < 1444383442 167456 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(0, 9) < 1444383445 542243 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~> is a map < 1444383448 152729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't hard to use consistently: just put whatever condition you want to check in a divisor. < 1444383449 761902 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Client Quit < 1444383458 637637 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> just chains calls < 1444383488 782692 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::9 is \(a,) -> (a, 9) < 1444383546 192538 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(all functions take only one argument, and that argument is a tupel) < 1444383559 919513 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or tripple depending on how many "arguments" it has) < 1444383647 245906 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OT: ROPgadget is a really nice tool) < 1444383811 930241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444383892 609672 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could automate a little bit more though. < 1444383945 175720 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "I want a chain of memcpy calls to get the string 'foo' at location 0xbar" < 1444383954 305948 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it would produce the neccesarry ROP chain < 1444384081 38883 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with a little shell trickery, cut and tail and some python code I should be able to do that myself \o/ < 1444384843 932560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444384971 656891 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444385716 889758 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otbuhelaqciyyllj JOIN :#esoteric < 1444385911 3512 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vmmopxwbqyvvekxe JOIN :#esoteric < 1444386040 127000 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1444386607 970747 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444386841 334541 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1444386842 308464 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444386926 929237 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1444386927 146288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1444386956 732241 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444387020 193246 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444387143 441301 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444387656 696050 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444387836 268558 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1444388868 443721 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444388907 177374 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444389038 440370 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1444389319 365905 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444389694 941727 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: POLEVAULTING CHICKEN < 1444390016 711244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1444390948 19588 :JohnLennon!~rizalroxx@202.67.46.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444390960 235674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, a ghost < 1444390975 537076 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444391003 319416 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444391021 577236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome JohnLennon < 1444391022 630096 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JohnLennon: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1444391033 718461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, speedy < 1444391168 206417 :JohnLennon!~rizalroxx@202.67.46.22 PART :#esoteric < 1444391650 624647 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444391689 119589 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444391771 274809 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1444391843 434062 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444391853 206991 :VictorCL_!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444391948 88129 :VictorCL_!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1444391972 389118 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444392299 473006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444392643 631431 :VictorCL_!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444392653 598044 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444392884 290230 :VictorCL_!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444392967 833367 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vmmopxwbqyvvekxe QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1444393013 240614 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444393138 642701 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444393164 916467 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444394057 205205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an Oracle and Rules update bulletin for BFZ yet? < 1444394179 337344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, Matt Tabak's late in writing it < 1444394186 611272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least no last time I checked) < 1444394208 511433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thanks < 1444394215 783572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://tabakrules.tumblr.com/post/130479250034/dear-lord-tabak-do-you-know-if-the-battle-for < 1444394607 129634 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see < 1444395220 17454 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a tool that shows you the address of the BSS section? < 1444395243 595915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: do you mean from an ELF file, or from a running process? < 1444395688 445340 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1444395885 689121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :objdump -j .bss -h for the former. < 1444395900 545742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even "objdump -j bss -h /proc/pid/exe" for the latter. < 1444395909 62289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Add the missing dot.) < 1444395915 972509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ㄋ < 1444395918 487738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+310B BOPOMOFO LETTER N \ UTF-8: e3 84 8b UTF-16BE: 310b Decimal: ㄋ \ ㄋ \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1444396449 522534 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What if the executable is overwritten and /proc/pid/exe is no longer valid? < 1444396501 153469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't think that situation can happen < 1444396513 28411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC attempts to overwrite an executable while it's running fail with ETXTBUSY < 1444396523 116508 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What about over NFS? < 1444396548 250862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I was just thinking "unless the filesystem is mounted in multiple places" < 1444396572 219934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution to this is "assume this program doesn't work over NFS, because a bunch of standard UNIX functionality doesn't work over NFS" < 1444396593 327913 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a non-solution but yes < 1444396714 133111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The process could unmap its bss segment later though, but few processes will do that, because that would wreck libc. < 1444397072 27684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can certainly have deleted the executable, though. < 1444397078 286732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls -l /proc/3820/exe < 1444397078 463958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 fis fis 0 Oct 9 14:24 /proc/3820/exe -> /home/fis/tmp/tmp2 < 1444397081 864944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ rm tmp2 < 1444397085 502065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls -l /proc/3820/exe < 1444397085 680321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 fis fis 0 Oct 9 14:24 /proc/3820/exe -> /home/fis/tmp/tmp2 (deleted) < 1444397105 658089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That symlink's not going to be very useful. < 1444397131 587374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: except that if you try to read the symlink contents via opening the symlink (rather than via readlinking) < 1444397133 607660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get them < 1444397141 180466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/proc doesn't obey normal filesystem rules < 1444397156 557872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, v. fancy. < 1444397298 717331 :VictorCL_!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444397382 477421 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1444397428 948608 :VictorCL_!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444397467 442479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1444397614 944802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444397622 976681 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444397837 281677 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1444397890 672126 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444398047 386493 :TieSoul_!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1444398129 507039 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1444398431 621962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444398439 966728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444398604 243854 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qyfzpvtljitkngkm JOIN :#esoteric < 1444399156 385377 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I'm getting better at magic < 1444399165 70220 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.135 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1444400216 511959 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1444400282 759616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ": the Gathering", or the other kind? < 1444400293 767220 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former < 1444400321 142325 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just had a game where in the penultimate turn I had 2 life and my opponent 1 < 1444400329 178858 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :(commander, 2-player) < 1444400533 73946 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444400597 41456 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1444402755 326574 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444402941 911358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1444403060 258952 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444403345 309691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444403350 960771 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are all derivative cycles (like sin x -> cos x -> -sin x -> cos x) made up of functions that can be expressed in terms of e? < 1444403358 292062 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the feeling that I used to know this < 1444403369 117080 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I used to know how to construct these functions < 1444403770 327295 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd tell you if I knew complex analysis < 1444403795 390351 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any cycles like that that don't involve e though < 1444403830 338141 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :All 1, 2, and 4 cycles definitely do < 1444403837 204363 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's counting 0 -> 0 -> 0 as 0*e < 1444403890 920717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, for n steps you have linear combinations of e^(r x) where r is an nth root of unity < 1444403913 479575 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :MYSTERY SOLVED < 1444404009 331026 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I am completely lost in this linear optimization problem < 1444404014 509562 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my question was irrelevant to that( < 1444404046 145509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear the simplex algorithm is the thing < 1444404074 63446 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1444404081 203841 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do I < 1444404095 293369 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also here the Langrangian sufficiency theorem might be a thing < 1444404109 128555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that i'm pretty blank < 1444404135 20650 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So am I and I'm watching the lecturer do a proof of it < 1444404141 424414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no scratch that. on that i'm entirely, totally blank. although i recognize the name "Lagrange". < 1444404161 584499 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a ZZ Top song < 1444404176 676866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1444404239 816284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i shall remain blank as wikipedia has no article < 1444404400 368501 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange_multiplier I think < 1444404565 231917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chapter 2: Hyperplanes and convexity < 1444404624 275780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds a bit more familiar < 1444404650 136289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm going to guess the context is different < 1444404696 175955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not; this is about maximizing functionals < 1444404698 914078 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what is going on now < 1444404751 866533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it pointing out that functionals are always maximized at the extreme points of a convex set twh < 1444404760 163158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*linear functionals < 1444404762 972993 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet < 1444404765 109168 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe soon < 1444404840 702877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extreme points being those that are not between any two other. oh and the set must be compact < 1444404906 622593 :bender!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:48c0:5774:ec69:4aeb QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444404952 361959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka closed and bounded, if in R^n < 1444405200 427849 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444405319 706005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so on the subject of M:tG, there's a quiz on the official website that asks what the second-most-printed basic land is < 1444405330 891832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :their answer is Island, because it was a rare in Alpha < 1444405343 860685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mine is Plains, beacuse it was a prerelease promo a while back < 1444405350 40864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually that might make Plains the most-printed basic) < 1444405355 999684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any way to tell who's correct? < 1444405370 31732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that make Alpha no. 3 at least < 1444405383 631523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just quibbling on the maths < 1444405390 553090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1444405393 159939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Island < 1444405399 246826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION not MtG < 1444405435 641535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: most likely yes < 1444405477 624125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if most cards of that type are printed almost the exact same amount, it might be impossible to answer < 1444405494 209798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed, that's the situation < 1444405498 394826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're nearly always printed as a set of five < 1444405517 973911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the debate's about which of the times they aren't printed will be most common < 1444405564 293574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444405569 940117 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444405584 554412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Island seems unlikely unless the set of five thing is entirely exact otherwise < 1444405617 636375 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1444405640 755194 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wouldn't that reasoning make islands the least common? < 1444405654 7272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, the rare was separate from the normal set of five < 1444405659 756644 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1444405668 693445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, all five were printed at land rarity, and island was also printed at rare rarity < 1444405676 237777 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it could be second-most, BECAUSE plains are the most < 1444405679 647898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1444405694 867792 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right? < 1444405715 834536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i interpreted ais523 as saying it was printed less than the others, but if that wasn't the case then indeed it makes sense < 1444405757 445506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1444405761 466005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well Arabian Nights had Mountain as a common, IIRC, due to a mix-up < 1444405767 203355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was more printed than Alpha < 1444405816 713731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think /this/ Plains, which wasn't part of a set of five, is probably the most common: http://magiccards.info/query?q=Plains+e%3Aptc%2Fen&v=card&s=cname < 1444405821 522524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to find out how much it costs < 1444405868 133276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a pain to search for a specific version of Plains, it's one of the most printed cards there is < 1444405870 399598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possibly the most printed, full stop) < 1444405967 538363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444406032 762464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444406040 920382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : aha, here we go: http://sales.starcitygames.com/carddisplay.php?product=447001 puts it at $0.99 < 1444406053 670822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arabian Nights Mountain is $0.49, which is cheaper, so maybe it's more common? < 1444406153 384201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Alpha Island, the rares and land-rarity ones are indistinguishable, but they're $8.99 or $9.99, so almost certainly way rarer than prerelease Plains even if you count the land-rarity ones < 1444406161 765345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to email Wizards and see what they say < 1444406420 891488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, Wizards emailed < 1444406428 962135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what their reaction to this one will be < 1444406459 799158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they already had to correct one answer on their quiz… < 1444406550 981887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know. Aren't there also a ton of basic lands in theme decks, which could skew the balance? < 1444406573 996200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh yes, that's a very good point < 1444406584 892438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they might matter way omre than Alpha rares, because there's very few of those. < 1444406585 614520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those would approximately average out over time, but not exactly < 1444406597 946556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not only because they got physically destroyed since. < 1444406644 197024 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cheaper doesn't necessarily mean it's more common, obviousyl. < 1444406653 464537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, especially as one is foil and the other isnt < 1444406655 252314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*isn't < 1444406666 958980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping there'd be an orders-of-magnitude difference that would make it clear < 1444406694 992662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily the least printed basic land is obvious, it's Snow-Covered Plains, because the other four Snow-Covered Lands have 11 or 12 copies in theme decks. < 1444406716 402736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snow-Covered Plains only appears as bonus foil card in them, in at most one copy. < 1444406733 981887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean Coldsnap theme decks < 1444406899 447883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :were there Ice Age theme decks? < 1444406959 877196 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Magic:_The_Gathering_theme_decks , it has links to all theme decks < 1444408709 278391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like C++? Fix the definition here so it defines the function template of the template class declared above, so that MSVC doesn't give an error on it. (I don't know the solution.) http://rextester.com/QLYH75926 < 1444409226 566359 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1444409910 594417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplified test case: http://rextester.com/SXCU54811 < 1444410029 10311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1444410679 311245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444410801 446784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found a solution: http://rextester.com/LFOCUU82982 < 1444411797 299026 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1444412616 609425 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444412644 177761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, a collision's been found in SHA-1's compression function < 1444412660 685562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no known way to find SHA-1 collisions using /just/ that information, but it's become way easier now < 1444412681 289307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the researchers who found it think that an SHA-1 collision will be found within a couple of months0 < 1444412744 796942 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to learn how to take notes < 1444412747 513752 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And LaTeX < 1444413254 460375 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1444413314 618474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, a sign error < 1444413771 928054 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have mathematical computers (Turing Machines), quantum physics computers (Quantum Computers), electrical engineering computers (Computers), chemical computers, etc. < 1444413783 202623 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other fields need computers? < 1444413925 23001 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finance, I guess < 1444413953 268544 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1444413968 834000 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put a bunch of people in a box, do math by giving them money and seeing what happens < 1444413976 430452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whoa whoa whoa < 1444413982 197608 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There would be a SCAM instruction < 1444413985 707569 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a BORROW instruction < 1444413986 582921 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etc. < 1444414255 215536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right < 1444414271 93019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point it's not safe to believe that SHA-1 has any level of security, because whoever breaks it first might not make that public < 1444414580 506253 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not create a Subjective Programming Language? < 1444414655 258734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a computer wouldn't be able to interpret it < 1444414658 964581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without big advances in AI < 1444414726 752554 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's sort of like OO, but it's SO. Objects aren't precieved as the same for all other objects < 1444414776 984439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This is only about collisions, isn't it? < 1444414786 66210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1444414790 705425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for now < 1444414797 460494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No known issues with pre-image attacks. < 1444414807 462018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, if a hash function is broken in one respect, people don't trust it in other respects either < 1444414819 391950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I read the paper, the techniques they're using have no relevance in pre-image attacks < 1444414834 965458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're basically about optimizing SHA brute-forcing down to the extent that it can be run in practice < 1444414850 430658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should git etc. stop using SHA-1? < 1444414860 885193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably, but should it be considered urgent?) < 1444414868 149442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via recognising patterns in the input that are particularly likely to form collisions and concentrating their brute-forcing on those < 1444414884 798437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :StackOverflow's opinion on git and SHA-1 collisions seems to be that the damage you could do with an intentional collision would be limited < 1444414897 13418 :FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1444414974 329645 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1444414978 742164 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like HackEgo is down < 1444414988 960320 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just created this page: http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Hppavilion1/Language_Derivative_Hierarchy < 1444415000 827638 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone wants to add anything, they can feel free to < 1444415348 388880 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1444415463 208442 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1444415489 699839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not down, just `ping < 1444415492 920028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1444415493 599661 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1444415525 111932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wiki-to-IRC bridge might be, though. < 1444415537 315763 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1444415541 931814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's p. flaky, it's a shell oneliner that nothing starts automatically. I've never really "productionized" it. < 1444415581 317990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy fizzie you're starting to talk like them < 1444415644 125855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, that's why I put it in quotes. < 1444415742 650714 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444416149 334764 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1444416252 521603 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1444416286 115285 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444416447 699354 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-229-111.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444418227 498413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The reason you would print them is because they are not designed only for puzzle; they can be done play game too, to be design to play Limited formats and are not too much "puzzle only" game. Rather just some kind of narrow effect like many of old cards have strange stuff, so could be use in other game too (including Constructed); an example given in the introduction of this book is "Sorrow's Path"; it can be use in game too. < 1444418436 698227 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I do for my next dialect of WalScript... < 1444418653 897307 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done a basic language, an actually good language, and have a badly-done OO language < 1444418667 211649 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also tried out WalFunc, but functional programming is /hard/ < 1444418770 634942 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They aren't very eso) < 1444418775 194133 :hppavilion[2]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1444418828 973792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me to see and then I can see if I can answer it or not < 1444418903 932016 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Was that directed at me? < 1444418908 674069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1444418954 761055 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the first version, and the only one that I have yet bothered to document: https://github.com/hppavilion1/WalScript-Alpha < 1444418973 727855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the only one I saw already < 1444419003 96897 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. That's also the only one that I've documented < 1444419037 830402 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WalScript-1.0 adds var=func}with}args}; syntax and python-based libraries, and OO-WalScript is being saved for later on < 1444419061 45022 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those're the only major new features I can remember for 1.0 < 1444419068 723957 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(asside from much nicer code) < 1444419078 5573 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*aside) < 1444419465 435207 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1444419496 723016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok < 1444419916 646352 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444421283 293906 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-86.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1444421499 281904 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1444422958 68176 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444423096 511303 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1444423252 156628 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1444423590 560283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444423609 718467 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444423775 123753 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1444424018 362510 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444424569 854894 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1444424730 598301 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444425780 342251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Wizards seem to have forwarded it to the appropriate department, and have let me know with a form letter that's effectively saying that in about six paragraphs < 1444425826 549093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forwarded what? < 1444426138 377439 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1444426278 213400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my complaint about their lands quiz not taking Dragon's Maze prerelease promo Plains into account < 1444426306 740401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it really doesn't surprise me that Wizards is setting quizzes with incorrect answers, it's a pretty complex game < 1444426312 413346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they've already had to correct one answer) < 1444426809 989109 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :lawspeaker < 1444427087 997720 :lawspeaker!nortti@ayu.smar.moe NICK :nortti < 1444427327 729920 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lxmpzhlnccfaoaik QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1444427461 549470 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-gjqqphuxdsevfrwk JOIN :#esoteric < 1444427714 603039 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1444428294 594112 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1444428632 600743 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1444429213 322721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1444429350 567353 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-81.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444429413 297700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah this was an overly interesting experience. microsoft installed (after prompting) a graphics update from intel - which then promptly made all of my screen black except for the mouse pointer < 1444429442 191494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i have a while ago disabled the power off button because i keep hitting it by accident. < 1444429508 631883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reboot fixed it, but finding out where to click to get all programs shut down orderly (well, i hope it was orderly) and then reboot... < 1444429599 71626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's see if at least the browser remembered my tabs < 1444429781 22346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably some keyboard shortcuts i should know to make this easier (the only ones i used were ctrl-alt-del and alt-f4) < 1444429796 269312 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444429907 543321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should learn the keyboard commands; they tend to not change with different version of Windows. You could try WIN+U which opens the accessibility controls including narrator, so you could use that, maybe < 1444429942 324402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok vim session looks fine, no complaints about aborted edits < 1444430029 431942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, i used the modifier+tab shortcuts. i'm just not sure if i remembered them right. < 1444430044 247213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But knowing the keyboard command help a lot more too; even if they changed around the GUI entirely in newer versions of Windows, nearly all of the same keyboard commands still work, so it is still easy to figure out how to use it just as much as the old version. Same for cmd.exe it can also be found and use in newer versions just as well. < 1444430149 651799 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a sec. Am I the only one who interchangeably referred to "red energy" and "fire mana" < 1444430173 107661 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1444430184 134191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I don't know? Probably other people might have done sometimes? < 1444430198 951755 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm maybe only people who migrated from pokemon cards do that... < 1444430240 139110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play Pokemon card too, but don't do such confusion < 1444430399 534900 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fire mana, water mana, grass mana, light mana, poison mana, < 1444430662 422753 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually wait, I think I used to call them sun mana and skull mana < 1444430767 463862 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qyfzpvtljitkngkm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1444431039 794263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there official cards with a reusable proliferate effect? < 1444431080 312066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, "Contagion Clasp" is < 1444431273 532767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use any kind of counters with proliferate, so it would also include age counters, +1/+1 counters, and time counters. < 1444431393 593221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can use Hex Parasite to remove counters. < 1444431590 354290 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1444431818 692032 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1444431829 334015 :Patashu!Dream_Silk@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1444432005 464095 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444432147 584049 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1444432238 651553 :bender!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:48c0:5774:ec69:4aeb JOIN :#esoteric < 1444432238 865624 :bender!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:48c0:5774:ec69:4aeb QUIT :Changing host < 1444432238 865710 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444432398 581937 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1444432481 846890 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44654 5* 03Flawr 5* (+1452) 10Created page with "''ShadyAsFuck'' is a language develped by PPCG users VTCAKAVSMoACE and flawr in the night from October 9th to October 10th 2015. It is substitution encoding of BrainFuck. But ..." < 1444432579 652130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Heh, my wife had the exact same issue. < 1444432618 845287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: We didn't even try to shut it down orderly, though. < 1444432643 241103 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44655&oldid=44654 5* 03Flawr 5* (+0) 10 < 1444432662 91580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a Thinkpad something-or-other.) < 1444432734 563645 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444432845 608157 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03VTCAKAVSMoACE 5* 10New user account < 1444432989 905367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i guess it was the same update too, if it happened today (i have an asus) < 1444433125 137471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the update failed to install automatically, otherwise i wouldn't have been prompted < 1444433177 622726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a rare update that _didn't_ just request a reboot to install, and see how well _that_ worked. < 1444433200 379321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i suppose there may have been others that did and never said anything < 1444433320 264507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44656&oldid=44655 5* 03Flawr 5* (+878) 10 < 1444433334 61757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's widespread enough, maybe there'll be some news about it < 1444433375 576173 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44657&oldid=44656 5* 03Flawr 5* (+48) 10 < 1444433388 982442 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the most retarded... < 1444433407 821224 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out why my font was being displayed too wide < 1444433520 377561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, it sounds very similar. < 1444433617 977653 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows terminals use the xAvgCharWidth variable from the OS/2 table as the width of a font < 1444433646 36894 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That value is calculated by fontforge as the average width of all characters < 1444433687 246659 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that if your font contains too many wide characters, suddenly the width of the whole font goes up by one pixel < 1444433718 716961 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44658&oldid=44657 5* 03Flawr 5* (-54) 10 < 1444433724 828058 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now my deploy instructions contain: Use a hex editor to fix the retarded table < 1444433777 93273 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Font forge does not have an option to set this value manually, so I have to fix it with a fucking hex editor. AUGHH < 1444433802 556665 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44659&oldid=44658 5* 03Flawr 5* (+37) 10 < 1444433835 119687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or try to make up another program that will do it automatically < 1444433847 299733 :\oren\!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-1-1175999918.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that. < 1444434195 270020 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric < 1444434216 524245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44660&oldid=44659 5* 0350.170.122.255 5* (+12) 10 < 1444434256 497988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44661&oldid=44660 5* 03Flawr 5* (-12) 10 < 1444434475 58420 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44662&oldid=44661 5* 03Flawr 5* (+18) 10 < 1444434877 119998 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ShadyAsFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44663&oldid=44662 5* 03Flawr 5* (+2) 10 < 1444434980 442952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1444435196 900220 :adu!~ajr@c-73-133-129-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric