00:16:53 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 00:22:39 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 00:22:41 anyway my question was mostly about its signedness 00:25:19 `wisdom 00:25:21 perpetual motion machine/Perpetual motion machines came with FreeFull's phone. They were hallucinated by Slereah's lack of entropy. 00:25:26 @massages-loud 00:25:26 quintopia said 5h 2m 56s ago: decided to go caving on saturday. sunday still ostensibly free. 00:26:10 quintopia: quinthellopia. I'll be in Québec City this weekend for Thanksgiving >_>'... 申し訳ありません 00:27:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:29:35 <\oren\> AAAAAAAAAA nothing works! 00:31:28 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Quit: I need to stop procrastinating). 00:33:51 \HELLOREEEEEEEEEN\ 00:33:57 please state your emergency. 00:37:19 you aren't stating very much. that can only mean a purple fish ate spaghetti next Thursday. 00:37:51 <\oren\> hmm my website was malfunctioning but now it's fine 00:38:03 <\oren\> no idea why 00:38:24 purple fish. 00:41:54 speaking of fish, could you please add 紫,紺 and 碧? 01:13:57 @messages? 01:13:58 Sorry, no messages today. 01:16:02 -!- copumpkin has joined. 01:24:40 boily: convenient 01:38:36 -!- boily has quit (Quit: GLOB CHICKEN). 02:50:40 -!- bb010g has joined. 02:54:13 wait 02:54:22 "hugs are good" was meant to be an acronym for "hug" 02:54:32 but now i realize that "are" doesn't start with "u" 02:54:47 `revert 02:54:50 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 02:55:30 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 02:58:36 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 03:13:32 -!- Wright has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 03:14:09 "The aim of right-shifting md_size is so that the compiler doesn't figure out that it can remove div_spoiler as that would require it to prove that md_size is always even, which I hope is beyond it. " 03:17:03 In what program is that? 03:18:43 so i just installed kubuntu onto a flash drive with portable virtualbox and it's running just fine in win10 host. what should i use it for? 03:24:01 -!- heroux has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:29:46 There seem to be a problem in aplay or something related to it; I get a message: Assertion 'pthread_mutex_destroy(&m->mutex) == 0' failed at pulsecore/mutex-posix.c:81, function pa_mutex_free(). Aborting. 03:30:35 This seems to happen only when I interrupt the program (by ^C) after it is already finished playing but before it stopped. 03:35:13 zzo38, OpenSSL 03:37:02 I think now they make LibreSSL though? Hopefully is better than OpenSSL 03:43:18 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 03:50:51 -!- heroux has joined. 03:56:15 zzo38, saner people are making LibreSSL 03:56:20 Not the OpenSSL people. 04:02:07 -!- TieSoul has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:05:30 Wasn't it OpenSSL person? 04:14:51 `? 04:14:52 ​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 04:14:55 `wisdom 04:14:57 hax0r/hax0r (see ¯\(°​_o)/¯) 04:15:01 `wisdom 04:15:02 primative/A primative is a reference to a value that you were robbed of. 04:30:30 They say it would be possible to write an entire book about TeX output routines. 04:35:05 It is probably true. 04:43:07 -!- MDude has joined. 04:49:09 -!- contrapumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 05:17:55 -!- ^v has joined. 05:32:11 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 05:49:37 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 06:18:28 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Kishan Kumar * New user account 06:26:35 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 06:31:15 -!- aretecode has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:33:58 -!- aretecode has joined. 06:38:38 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 06:38:59 There are simple things such as adding page numbers, although you can also do other things including: footnotes, multiple columns, vertically centering the text on each page, skipping pages, overlaying a grid onto the page, making pages looser than normal, marks for cutting the page, reverse the order of pages, and a lot more> 06:44:53 -!- mauris has joined. 06:47:33 -!- ais523 has joined. 06:49:59 -!- mauris_ has joined. 06:51:29 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 06:54:34 -!- mauris has joined. 06:56:30 -!- mauris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:59:39 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:05:30 -!- JesseH has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:07:34 -!- mauris has joined. 07:13:46 -!- mauris_ has joined. 07:14:41 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:20:23 -!- conehead has changed nick to cnr. 07:20:39 -!- mauris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:21:03 -!- mauris has joined. 07:24:27 -!- mauris_ has joined. 07:25:44 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 07:26:03 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 07:28:19 -!- mauris has joined. 07:29:40 -!- mauris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:31:42 -!- mauris_ has joined. 07:32:50 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:36:03 -!- mauris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:50:00 zzo38: and making full height double column pages by buffering two pages TeX sends to the output routine and emitting them only once. 07:50:13 oh, you mentioned "multiple columns", yes 07:50:51 -!- mauris has joined. 07:58:25 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 08:04:38 -!- mauris_ has joined. 08:06:35 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 08:07:43 -!- ais523 has joined. 08:08:00 -!- mauris has joined. 08:09:42 -!- mauris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 08:10:15 -!- mauris_ has joined. 08:12:27 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 08:15:10 -!- mauris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:23:55 -!- mauris has joined. 08:32:30 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:33:57 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 08:43:37 -!- scoofy has joined. 08:58:02 -!- VictorCL has joined. 08:58:51 -!- rdococ has joined. 08:59:09 yay got pidgin to work again 09:00:33 -!- FireFly has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:00:33 -!- heddwch has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:01:18 -!- heddwch has joined. 09:05:04 -!- FireFly has joined. 09:18:55 [wiki] [[0815]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44632&oldid=44595 * 178.8.154.25 * (+4) 09:19:26 [wiki] [[XEec]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44633 * 178.8.154.25 * (+6836) Created page with "'''xEec ''' is an esoteric programming language designed and implemented by [[Paulo Jorente]] in October, 2015. ==Language details== '''xEec''' has a set of 9 instructions. ..." 09:23:57 [wiki] [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44634&oldid=44619 * Paulo Jorente * (+85) 09:25:18 [wiki] [[XEec]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44635&oldid=44633 * Paulo Jorente * (-1) /* Fibonacci sequence */ 09:29:11 [wiki] [[XEec]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44636&oldid=44635 * Paulo Jorente * (+1) /* Language details */ 09:29:26 [wiki] [[0815]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44637&oldid=44632 * Paulo Jorente * (+0) /* Registers */ 09:33:39 -!- marcogmonteiro has joined. 09:33:46 VictorCL GET OUT! 09:33:48 :P 09:34:05 :p 09:34:11 marcogmonteiro is an esoteric lover 09:34:41 -!- marcogmonteiro has left ("So long!"). 09:37:32 -!- bender| has joined. 09:46:31 -!- choochter has joined. 09:46:39 -!- teuchter has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:48:46 -!- mauris has joined. 09:56:59 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:57:41 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:58:32 -!- VictorCL has joined. 10:00:42 -!- mauris has joined. 10:05:21 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 10:08:25 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:08:39 -!- mauris has joined. 10:09:18 -!- VictorCL has joined. 10:14:21 -!- mauris_ has joined. 10:15:52 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:17:52 http://t.co/iX0WPeh2AB 10:18:21 -!- aretecode has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 10:21:38 -!- mauris__ has joined. 10:23:55 -!- mauris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:25:28 -!- boily has joined. 10:26:27 -!- mauris has joined. 10:28:58 -!- aretecode has joined. 10:29:13 -!- mauris__ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:31:04 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 10:38:32 @massages-loud 10:38:33 You don't have any messages 10:45:02 @metar lowi 10:45:02 LOWI 081020Z 13004KT 090V190 9999 FEW015 SCT040 BKN072 14/10 Q1019 NOSIG 10:50:19 int-ello. humid? 10:50:22 @metar CYUL 10:50:23 CYUL 081000Z 34008KT 15SM SKC 04/01 A3017 RMK SLP216 11:02:12 I guess so, but at this temperature it's hardly a burden. 11:02:31 (76% according to one website) 11:02:51 @metar EGLL 11:02:51 EGLL 081050Z AUTO 24004KT 200V280 9999 NCD 15/09 Q1022 NOSIG 11:03:00 Such nice weather. 11:04:39 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:07:05 y'all with your warm weathers... 11:07:25 AnotherTest: AnothellorTest. which was your closest weather station? 11:07:34 @metar ENVA 11:07:35 ENVA 081050Z 16014KT CAVOK 10/M00 Q1021 TEMPO 16018G30KT RMK WIND 670FT 18022KT 11:08:02 @tell oerjan your negative cow is humid. 11:08:02 Consider it noted. 11:08:13 @metar KATL 11:08:13 KATL 081052Z 09003KT 10SM SCT250 17/14 A3012 RMK AO2 SLP195 T01670139 11:08:17 @metar KSFO 11:08:18 KSFO 081056Z 00000KT 10SM SCT200 16/12 A3008 RMK AO2 SLP186 T01560122 $ 11:09:02 @metar RKSI 11:09:02 RKSI 081100Z 28013KT 240V310 9999 FEW030 BKN100 20/14 Q1011 NOSIG 11:10:32 @metar CYOW 11:10:33 CYOW 081100Z 35006KT 15SM FEW250 03/01 A3020 RMK CI1 SLP229 11:10:36 -!- bender| has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:13:57 -!- VictorCL has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:16:18 -!- mroman has joined. 11:16:22 Can't gdb just do function stepping? 11:18:44 -!- mauris has joined. 11:18:56 mroman: doesn't 'n' do that? 11:19:51 or 'ni' if you're on the instruction level (skip over calls) 11:20:44 no, next stepts to the next source line 11:21:08 I guess I don't know what you mean by function stepping 11:21:22 break right after every call obviously 11:21:38 I wanna trace what functions are called 11:23:17 okay... I don't think so (except that, obviously, you can set breakpoints on all functions of interest) 11:24:00 Then again I'm not a gdb expert. 11:24:43 -!- boily has quit (Quit: AMELIORATED CHICKEN). 11:28:00 and does objdump have a switch so it outputs the assembly only 11:28:03 without addresses and raw bytes 11:28:48 Use the universal remote control, perl -e. 11:29:34 Hmm, a language based on tensile strengths 11:30:56 -!- VictorCL has joined. 11:35:53 -!- FreeFull has quit. 11:37:11 -!- bender| has joined. 11:47:27 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:48:26 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 11:50:45 -!- mauris has joined. 11:51:17 -!- VictorCL has joined. 11:52:57 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:04:16 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 12:05:11 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:08:57 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:10:01 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 12:35:59 -!- SirCmpwn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:36:33 -!- SirCmpwn has joined. 12:46:16 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 13:01:31 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 13:06:37 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 13:19:54 -!- nycs has joined. 13:22:27 -!- Wright has joined. 13:29:46 -!- Wright has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 13:42:02 -!- hjulle has joined. 13:48:38 -!- VictorCL has quit (Excess Flood). 13:48:59 -!- VictorCL has joined. 13:50:49 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:51:13 -!- VictorCL has joined. 13:52:50 [wiki] [[XEec]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44638&oldid=44636 * 176.6.115.121 * (+144) /* xEec instructions set */ 13:54:36 [wiki] [[XEec]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44639&oldid=44638 * 176.6.115.121 * (+0) /* xEec instructions set */ 13:59:02 [wiki] [[XEec]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44640&oldid=44639 * 176.6.115.121 * (-42) /* xEec instructions set */ 14:01:46 -!- bender| has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:02:55 -!- `^_^ has joined. 14:05:02 -!- nycs has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:11:25 -!- bender| has joined. 14:11:39 -!- bender| has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:12:31 -!- bender| has joined. 14:12:31 -!- bender| has quit (Changing host). 14:12:31 -!- bender| has joined. 14:18:10 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:21:46 [wiki] [[XEec]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44641&oldid=44640 * 46.114.10.209 * (+78) /* Cat */ 14:31:32 -!- bender| has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:47:31 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:49:22 -!- mauris has joined. 14:53:47 -!- TieSoul has joined. 14:57:17 -!- VictorCL has joined. 14:58:14 -!- TieSoul has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:59:32 -!- TieSoul has joined. 15:05:05 -!- JesseH has joined. 15:20:50 -!- mroman has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 15:21:26 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:30:15 -!- hjulle has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 15:34:08 -!- VictorCL has joined. 15:35:49 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:37:53 -!- MDream has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:38:43 -!- VictorCL has joined. 15:42:08 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:42:48 -!- VictorCL has joined. 15:59:30 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 16:03:06 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in). 16:03:06 -!- heddwch has quit (Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in). 16:03:46 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:04:22 -!- heddwch has joined. 16:04:42 -!- FireFly has joined. 16:06:15 -!- gamemanj has joined. 16:06:18 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:09:53 -!- VictorCL has joined. 16:43:01 -!- oerjan has joined. 16:43:53 @messages- 16:43:53 boily said 5h 35m 51s ago: your negative cow is humid. 16:44:12 "wat" 16:46:54 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:52:01 -!- `^_^ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:54:14 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:59:31 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 16:59:49 -!- VictorCL has joined. 17:02:11 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:02:40 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:06:10 -!- VictorCL has joined. 17:08:20 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:14:16 -!- VictorCL has joined. 17:32:12 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:32:23 [wiki] [[Beam]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44642&oldid=42097 * 69.193.26.210 * (+89) Added link to newer interpreter 17:32:37 -!- VictorCL has joined. 17:34:30 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 17:47:03 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:48:57 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 17:53:39 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 18:03:47 -!- mauris has joined. 18:30:51 -!- atrapado has joined. 18:35:43 -!- MoALTz has joined. 18:52:15 -!- FreeFull has joined. 19:05:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 19:08:19 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:08:20 \oren\: http://imgur.com/gallery/TWqZjnB add these 19:11:37 agree 19:16:58 -!- VictorCL has joined. 19:21:07 -!- digitalcold has quit (Changing host). 19:21:07 -!- digitalcold has joined. 19:29:44 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:35:48 is hackage slow as molasses for everyone 19:36:16 I've never seen any molasses 19:36:24 I don't even know how to pronounce the word 19:36:33 Is it molASSes? MOLasses? 19:36:37 MOLEasses? 19:36:44 i've been assuming the first 19:36:55 welcome to english 19:37:07 Well, it seems pretty speedy to me 19:37:29 How slow is molasses? 19:37:43 myname, I've been speaking English since I was very small, I know just how bad it is 19:38:03 Taneb: molASSes is kind of like how Google's TTS pronounced it to me. 19:46:26 molasses is faster than people, when you have enough of it 19:47:25 Gregor: help HackEgo's repository browser page still redirects me to codu.org/ tdnh 19:48:01 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood) 19:50:15 oerjan: But how can that be. 19:50:38 oerjan: that's only happening to you, I believe 19:50:47 ridiculous 19:50:52 very 19:51:00 `help 19:53:16 oerjan: does your client "correct" codu.org to www.codu.org? 19:53:45 ^help 19:53:45 ^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool 19:53:57 -!- HackEgo has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:54:55 int-e: i'm including the http:// part, so it shouldn't... 19:56:07 * oerjan tries adding www. to check if that changes anything 19:56:11 but no 19:56:40 Did you try curl/wget/nc? 19:56:53 not yet 19:57:01 oerjan: adding www. results in a redirect to the codu.org root for me, that's why I'm asking. 19:57:30 those would be on a different machine anyway 19:58:21 wait what 19:58:26 interestingly, http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ now seems to time out from here. isn't that fun... 19:58:34 curl _does_ redirect to codu.org/ 19:58:58 as does wget 19:59:24 on a completely different machine (still in trondheim, though) 19:59:43 ... 19:59:52 i somehow pasted the version with www. 20:00:04 let's see. "www.codu.org has address 109.68.33.18" "codu.org has address 64.62.173.65" 20:00:26 ok now it's just stalling 20:00:40 -!- rdococ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:03:09 other repos like http://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/ work... hmm. 20:04:12 so is the fshg thing a kind of proxy setup to the hackego host? 20:04:26 huh so it does 20:04:34 I mean it stopped working about the same time as hackego left the channel 20:04:44 that seems logical 20:06:37 -!- APic has quit (Quit: Neuer Kern, bis gleich.). 20:07:12 -!- Patashu has joined. 20:09:06 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:13:31 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 20:13:52 @metar ENVA 20:13:52 ENVA 081950Z 08005KT 030V120 CAVOK 08/01 Q1022 RMK WIND 670FT 15011KT 20:16:01 @tell Jafet Hmm, a language based on tensile strengths <-- i think that's a bit of a stretch. 20:16:01 Consider it noted. 20:18:13 Oh snap 20:18:24 the puns and punches are flying low today 20:18:46 (though I guess I have no right to complain about the former) 20:18:56 Is there the DVI->Fax program that does not use PostScript? A mode file for METAFONT that is suitable for faxes should also be used. 20:19:23 i'm just happy boily didn't see it twnhh 20:20:04 zzo38: you could render a DVI to a bitmap image, and then pass that bitmap image to a fax program 20:20:17 fax transmits a bitmap image afterall, right? 20:20:33 Yes 20:20:50 * oerjan must. remember. to. eat. 20:20:54 I don't know what resolution those things have 20:20:57 -!- XorSwap has joined. 20:21:01 We don't really use faxes 20:21:26 I mean, I keep hearing of all the bureaucratic institutions that require using fax, but luckily I don't generally communicate with those. 20:21:47 b_jonas: That's how metafont enters the picture, it's how tex's fonts used to be rendered to bitmap fonts at various sizes and resolutions. 20:22:03 hm the logs weren't as big as they looked 20:22:26 DVI isn't so complicated so I might try to make up my own program if it is needed, too. 20:22:30 * int-e recalls setting up special 100? maybe even 50? dpi modes to save disk space for those cached bitmap fonts... 20:22:48 (which were only used for viewing stuff on screen) 20:23:10 You can use PK fonts to save disk space too 20:24:22 int-e: yep 20:24:25 I suspect I did that as well 20:24:43 int-e: I can see why you'd want metafont settings to make a suitable font, 20:25:07 but why would you need a new program for rendering the DVI? couldn't any DVI to bitmap program work, if you tell it the right fonts and resolution? 20:26:32 int-e: Yes. 20:26:51 int-e: Also I didn't notice HackEgo left the channel, it was working for me just a while ago. 20:27:17 int-e: By "yes" I mean, yes, the fshg URL is a reverse proxy setup to www2.codu.org, or something like that. 20:27:20 21:53:57 --- HackEgo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:27:25 22:27:20 21:53:57 --- HackEgo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:27:48 Well, a "while" can be long. 20:27:51 (I'm too lazy to compute the difference myself ;-) 20:28:07 I also have a "HP LaserJet P1102w" printer so what METAFONT modes can be used for it, and then how to tell dvilj to use those settings? 20:28:42 All three of codu.org, www.codu.org and www2.codu.org resolve to different addresses. 20:29:00 b_jonas: sorry, I didn't think enough about how much of the problem rendering to bitmaps would solve... my bad. 20:29:38 The last one is where HackEgo lives, and also the repository browser, in a strictly physical sense. 20:30:03 The machine isn't answering SSH, which probably means our wiki is also down. 20:31:15 Making DVI->fax might be useful if you go to a hotel and your portable computer does not have a printer built-in, you could connect it to the telephone line and then send a fax to the front desk. 20:31:23 what resolution does fax have? 20:31:25 Hmm, my CaC VM is still running. Oh well. 20:32:39 b_jonas: They've got different levels in different standards. 20:32:49 But the most basic one is 100dpi, I think. 20:33:20 @googe fax resolutions 20:33:22 http://support.faxbetter.com/knowledgebase/articles/44704-at-what-resolution-ppi-dpi-do-you-transmit-and 20:33:22 Title: At what resolution (ppi, dpi) do you transmit and receive faxes? – Feedback... 20:33:49 fizzie: wait, is it the same horizontal and vertical resolution? 20:33:57 Wikipedia seems to say 100x100dpi for "basic", 200x100 for "standard", 200x200 for "fine", 200x400 for "superfine", 400x400 for "ultrafine". 20:34:04 I see 20:34:14 (That's horizontal x vertical.) 20:34:29 ah, and apparently it's not a bitmap, but a graymap! 20:34:45 with analog color 20:35:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:35:14 in that case, you need something other than metafont, because you want a 100 dpi _graymap_ font 20:35:17 not a bitmap font 20:35:56 The resolutions at that @googe result are close, but slightly different. (204x98 and so on.) 20:36:09 It is not really a problem; you can still use a bitmap font, I expect. 20:36:27 zzo38: you can, but at 100 dpi, graymap font would look much better 20:36:41 I mean, 100x100 dpi with not very large letters 20:36:48 Also I thought it was a bitmap? (Except for old-fashioned analog faxes.) 20:36:49 Even if you do want grayscales, METAFONT can write arbitrary specials to output as well. 20:36:55 bitmap can still work, but graymap could work much better 20:37:17 fizzie: I don't know. apparently there are way more different fax formats than I ever imagined 20:37:23 like, including digitally compressed ones and stuff 20:37:25 it's crazy 20:37:26 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:37:27 'pedia: "Later, other compression techniques were added as options to ITU-T recommendation T.30, such as the more efficient JBIG (T.82, T.85) for bi-level content, and JPEG (T.81), T.43, MRC (T.44), and T.45 for grayscale, palette, and colour content." 20:37:29 I thought there would be only one or two 20:37:36 You could then make higher resolution and then downscale them into graymap fonts 20:37:48 JPEG in a fax, what a crazy world. 20:38:13 zzo38: perhaps yes, if you're enoguh of a metafont hacker to make them look nice 20:38:47 You could make it to output special commands to help with such purposes 20:42:17 But I think faxes can use bitmap formats too; that is what I read and heard everywhere? 20:44:19 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 20:45:16 I had used ASCII PBM format for including pictures in documents with TeX, but ASCII PBM files are very large and the output will also be very large; I want to see if I can make up the shorter format. 20:45:33 zzo38: probably, in which case metafont is fine if you can make the right font 20:45:55 um, that's for bitmap faxes 20:46:17 zzo38: um, use a font that contains each combination of eight pixels in a column? 20:46:48 b_jonas: Yes, the METAFONT documentation describes such a font encoding actually 20:49:00 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:49:07 -!- VictorCL has joined. 20:49:36 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:51:00 zzo38: I was also thinking that you could show bitmap images in VGA text mode by loading such a font and setting the font height to 2 or 1 (depending on whether the video cards can handle height 1). 20:51:51 It is called "gray font" format, and is intended for printing out proof sheets of fonts. However you have to consider the printer's resolutions as they may be different by printers. 20:53:05 -!- VictorCL has joined. 20:53:22 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 20:54:53 zzo38: well sure, you want a resolution supported by the printer exactly. 20:56:58 Yes, and then it is not device-independent. That is why I made the .PBM parser 20:58:10 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:01:18 Wiki does indeed appear to be down. 21:02:18 b_jonas: The best reference I know for VGA register programming -- http://www.osdever.net/FreeVGA/vga/vgatext.htm -- says "Fonts are either 8 or 9 pixels wide and can be from 1 to 32 pixels high." 21:03:11 well, the 9 pixels is a bit of a lie. 21:03:36 Sure. 21:04:14 But there's a hack to make characters 0xc0..0xdf copy their 8th column to the 9th column, so you get continuous horizontal lines. 21:04:39 (For the others it's always blank.) 21:05:19 I didn't remember the precise range of characters. 21:06:46 You don't get contiguous "grayscale" blocks, but I guess it would look bad anyway, since you couldn't continue the pattern. 21:08:10 The dot matrix printer I had (have?... actually, where is that thing) has a "graphics" mode that is based on sending bytes that describe one column of 8 pixels. 21:08:25 Pretty much the same thing, except the font is 1 pixel wide and 8 pixels high. 21:08:36 does it also have another mode where you send two bytes and drive a 9th needle? 21:09:00 I don't think it had that. You're supposed to just set the line advance parameters so that it lines up. 21:09:31 I don't think it was very accurate about that, so everything printed had a slight stripeyness in it. 21:11:09 Now that I think of it, I think the printer is in our basement in Finland. I remember having plans to hook it up with a stack of paper as a permanent IRC log printer, but it was just too inconvenient. 21:11:34 I recall my family's dot matrix printer coming with a manual that described how to use its various modes (escape sequences... I believe even some code examples) 21:11:55 This had no manuals by the time I got it. 21:12:06 Times have changed so much. 21:12:12 But it was semi-compatible with something-or-another, so I got by with internet and experimentation. 21:12:38 Probably ESC/P something. 21:16:32 Although I have a vague impression it could've been something less common. I can't write the related sources anywhere. 21:17:16 I have used ESC/P and if there is emulator could use it to convert ESC/P into DVI 21:22:15 we had some citizen swift 9 pin printer 21:23:17 -!- yorick has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:23:34 -!- yorick has joined. 21:23:34 -!- yorick has quit (Changing host). 21:23:34 -!- yorick has joined. 21:29:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:30:14 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:30:45 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:34:00 -!- VictorCL has joined. 21:34:39 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:37:08 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:40:58 -!- VictorCL has joined. 21:46:08 -!- XorSwap has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 21:52:44 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 21:52:51 -!- augur has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 21:55:13 I think I had a Huyndai. 21:55:38 Last I looked, I could even find a photo, but at the moment "hyundai dot matrix printer" image search just turns up matrix printers from all kinds of other manufacturers. 21:57:57 Logs suggest it looked a lot like Hyundai HDP-920 but might not have been exactly that model. 21:59:33 http://ru.pc-history.com/wp-content/uploads/prn_hyundahdp-920.JPG <- like that. 22:03:24 -!- atrapado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:05:24 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 22:06:58 -!- augur has joined. 22:09:39 -!- HackEgo has joined. 22:15:27 -!- boily has joined. 22:15:44 hickegoily 22:16:15 -!- Wright has joined. 22:16:42 yes! adding www2. worked 22:16:46 häppåre boily 22:17:52 `? hugs 22:18:02 bonsoœøirjan! 22:18:02 hugs? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 22:18:18 bonlsnoier! 22:18:24 incidentally, I'll be in france next week 22:18:33 the repository browser still has trouble with actually including stuff 22:18:39 . o O ( hickeg? häppåre? ) 22:19:06 boily: i just efficientized by greeting HackEgo simultaneously hth 22:19:21 it's been running off 22:19:45 boily: häppåre = hej på dig = "hi on you" 22:20:03 oerjan: tdh. 22:20:10 olsner: td swedishly h. 22:20:37 i think that swedish is somewhat spoken colloquial 22:21:12 ça m'surprend pas vraiment là là. 22:21:23 it would sound really weird to try to speak written swedish 22:21:57 `words --finnish 20 22:21:59 monittaan viiniimpärit väistanila pyöräisemmassa käytyväksemme peräisi havaksisi verokaan elälläni soviinsa taktiivimma spekistä syrjistuenne afaattamme täytyvä venevittämäämme rinänneisissa kilisimmat paneutteettämmässä tekehnoimissi 22:22:21 olsner: apparently, this thing is sold at our Ikeas → http://www.ikea.com/us/en/images/products/smorgaskaviar-fish-roe-spread__0145842_PE304961_S4.JPG 22:22:44 The Ikeas here sell fish and chips. 22:22:47 I guess it makes sense. 22:22:53 oh, hmm, "I think that swedish" or "I think *that* swedish" changes the meaning of what oerjan said, not sure which was meant 22:22:56 I just got the meatballs. 22:24:01 boily: I thought they sold kalles kaviar, but apparently they replaced that with ikea-brand kaviar 22:24:01 `culprits wisdom/devious 22:24:04 int-e int-e ais523 oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull ais523 ais523 shachaf 22:24:19 Also, they've got veggie balls, but maybe that's a more global new thing. 22:24:55 GRÖNSAKSBULLAR 22:25:04 "Now there’s a ball for everyone" 22:25:05 olsner: wouldn't know. I only tasted that thing for the first time last week, and the packaging was completely different. 22:25:14 * oerjan has some kaviar in the fridge 22:25:24 HERESY! a meatball has MEAT! 22:25:30 boily: what did you think about kaviar then? 22:25:39 not that brand, though. 22:25:41 olsner: very good! loved it! 22:26:00 boily: A metaball has metadata. 22:26:56 metaball... hmm... a Swedish turducken? 22:27:16 I,I "i didn't know fish had balls" 22:27:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 22:27:27 There was some sort of a thing about the Finnish ads or packaging or something of Kalles kaviar ("Kallen mätitahna"). 22:27:52 Like, they had cropped a image in a humorously interpretable way, or something. 22:28:09 boily: boiled egg with kaviar is nice too 22:29:36 or sandwich with sliced boiled egg and kaviar on top 22:29:46 * boily drools... 22:36:18 is the kaviar expensive over there? 22:37:19 Boilyed egg. 22:40:15 hm, I have no idea how much kalles costs here though, so I wouldn't be able to tell if it was expensive anyway 22:41:42 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:42:49 Ikea SMÖRGÅSKAVIAR is £1.25/0.19 kg in the UK catalog. 22:43:00 I don't think I've seen the real one here. 22:43:27 it's CAD 2.49 + 15% tax per 0.419 lb. 22:43:42 There's a place called http://nordicbakery.com/ in London we've been thinking of visiting. 22:45:56 Also! The Ikea KANELBULLAR are rolled completely the wrong way, from the Finnish perspective. 22:46:41 They look like https://krausnickitchen.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/img_4711.jpg when they should look like http://40.media.tumblr.com/9229b5efa370474bc9994224799372e5/tumblr_mg5x9ok8eD1rog7oso1_500.jpg 22:47:05 I have to admit it doesn't affect the taste very much, but it still feels wrong. 22:54:03 2D vs. 3D 22:57:51 -!- heddwch has changed nick to ortie. 22:58:02 hellortie. 22:58:59 -!- ortie has changed nick to nortie. 22:59:28 nortielloe. 23:17:07 <\oren\> evniG 23:17:35 <\oren\> bohelloy 23:21:43 \bonsoiren\ 23:29:10 -!- VictorCL has joined. 23:29:54 <\oren\> I've now noticed that some of my kanji don't line up 23:30:10 <\oren\> I'm gonna try to fix it 23:31:26 there's a kanjing lining to every font in the cloud. 23:34:06 -!- VictorCL has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:43:13 `wisdom 23:43:15 bdsm/BDSM definitely isn't a kind of LARP and Taneb definitely did not invent it. 23:43:22 `wisdom 23:43:23 lorem ipsum/Business Internet the it China Product Product NATO 23:44:45 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 23:45:13 fizzie: finland is doing it wrong, not ikea 23:45:44 those finnish ones look like over-sized gifflar 23:47:28 (e.g. https://d1vlhxry9oul9s.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/pagen_gifflar_cinnamon.jpg) 23:57:35 -!- nortie has changed nick to heddwch. 23:59:09 helloddwch. 23:59:43 boilly