< 1444090285 26532 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444091253 551354 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1444091731 457619 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444092707 454389 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1444093669 650770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implemented a \protected command in TeX which is a bit similar to the \protected command in e-TeX, but it does not quite make the control sequence unexpandable though. I intend to try to figure out if some trick is possible (perhaps involving conditionals) so that it expands into itself, but otherwise can still work < 1444093772 338064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe it is impossible and you have to stay with the current way < 1444094201 261487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even during expansion you can define an undefined control sequence to mean \relax so maybe that can be used. (But probably not) < 1444094331 717084 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What cool APIs are there? < 1444094334 321253 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Online or Offline < 1444094843 189639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1444096395 967770 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is sin(a*pi) always an algebraic number when a is a rational number? < 1444096992 291035 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://divisbyzero.com/2010/10/28/trigonometric-functions-and-rational-multiples-of-pi/ < 1444097434 349178 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444098730 18569 :mapm!~mapm@89.7.80.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444099940 221590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My \protected macro makes a macro that expands into something like \begingroup\everymath={}\everyhbox={}\mathcode255=32768\setbox0=\hbox\bgroup$^^ff{xyzzy$$} < 1444099993 648041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know it is strange!) < 1444100087 289976 :mapm!~mapm@89.7.80.145 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1444100149 899412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to improve it? < 1444100481 866040 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about some Esoteric Social Networks? < 1444101093 180896 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1444101467 819162 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds more like it'd be the other kind of esoteric. < 1444101523 550146 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An idea I have for a silly math-based chat system might interest you. < 1444101562 688356 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An equation based chat where every user has a number instead of a name. < 1444101585 964473 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people can only sen messages in the from of mathematical statements that equal their user number. < 1444101620 267667 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages being displayed as equations. < 1444101671 109491 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now I leave implementation to fungot. < 1444101671 286744 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: is the balrog following in the footsteps of another very special date. please, put on the packages he sends home, against the wishes of an old enemy, and smote the deepest, darkest secrets of atlantis. < 1444101718 599818 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fungot wants me to do it myself. < 1444101718 776899 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: hail, hobbit merchant, practised with bow, can i do to help. < 1444102019 853038 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably a while before I get to it, actually. < 1444102385 179588 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes it were more practical to obtain the event legendaries < 1444102408 242246 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I caught all of the ones it's possible to, but dammit, I'm not Japanese. How am I supposed to get Jirachi? < 1444102548 136565 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object-oriented operating system < 1444102551 108835 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheheheh < 1444102781 228680 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno if that's a bad idea. < 1444102808 874222 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filesystems and processes are already organized as a tree. < 1444102867 214830 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And invoking functions from one process to another sounds more efficient and meggase system-like than using text streams for everything. < 1444102935 62639 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running processes could be considered isntances of the executable file they run from, which can be considered the class. < 1444103030 350331 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I'm pretty sure the oeprating system in the programming OS making book I stopped reading after a while is made in an object-oriented language. < 1444103085 187805 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nand2tetris.org/course.php < 1444103727 133 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444103728 781479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1444103764 756361 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1444104258 620734 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an EsoOS idea < 1444104268 271333 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most OSes are based off of an "Office" theme < 1444104271 724789 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desktop, files, etc. < 1444104280 342390 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What alternative thing could we base it on? < 1444104320 346613 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An interesting idea. < 1444104333 725369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical objects. < 1444104335 810170 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiny cubicle (for a very small OS)? Bathroom? Kitchen? HENGE? < 1444104369 449065 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been wanting to make an operating system made for other settings, though I think some might be a bit more practical. < 1444104382 853850 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the Henge idea < 1444104393 890947 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like family-oriented OS, with networking features made to reflect family structute rather than corporate structure. < 1444104402 834643 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me brush up on what hanges are. < 1444104422 721131 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the neolithic things? < 1444104457 349033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have any of you solved any of my Magic: the Puzzling? < 1444104566 121939 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444104607 225499 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccezlrzvfwhawcqp JOIN :#esoteric < 1444104703 937107 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444105146 132128 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444105239 529273 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1444105937 743463 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1444106511 488243 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444106713 332439 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HengeOS < 1444107131 953594 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444107211 592453 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about an OS based around runes? < 1444107245 839318 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Or a Magic: The Gathering OS < 1444107461 65866 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Runes, Henges, etc. I'm off to make DruidzOS < 1444107757 21481 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444107774 955510 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444107799 432729 :digitalcold!~redacted@unaffiliated/digitalcold QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444107874 388272 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444109164 553434 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1444110063 650604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a program to render a Magic: the Puzzling game as a PNG or DVI or something? < 1444110177 407295 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What did you make Magic: The Puzzling in? < 1444110211 364316 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX? if so, then any TeX builder/compiler/whatever should work; Converting TeX to DVI is pretty much the basic TeXy thing < 1444110400 974866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it is just a ordinary text file < 1444110460 92708 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whatever program to render would also need to get the card texts, since I haven't included those; preferably those which are current at the time of the specified rule date) < 1444111047 795620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you look at any of these puzzles? < 1444111158 336785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is there a historical Oracle text database? < 1444111180 20778 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/Whr9Shz.png lol < 1444111223 22082 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1444111338 970227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know, but there is Yawgatog which has all of the changelogs < 1444111357 426751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As well as the changelogs for the rules, too) < 1444111375 254177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those publicly available somewhere? < 1444111430 264990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. http://www.yawgatog.com/resources/ < 1444111500 572974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I was thinking of Datatog. < 1444111676 647896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can figure out any of these puzzles: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.1 http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.2 http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.3 hopefully I can make up some more later; if you make some up I would like those one too please! < 1444111697 713957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want to have them in a book! < 1444111744 222788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there copyright issues with publishing a book of Magic: the Puzzlings? < 1444111745 790565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1444111773 715752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes probably it is; I would want Wizards of the Coast to do it if they can. < 1444112583 545356 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1444112899 444477 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1444112940 441410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: puzzle 2 should say "he or she" < 1444112949 181292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how Magic: the Puzzlings should be phrased. < 1444112994 947212 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444113024 599757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. Rosewater even mentions the name of the opponent; in my puzzles I have not, but sometimes include the gender because English is a stupid language. < 1444113061 688415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's general Wizards of the Coast policy when referring to an unknown person. < 1444113097 563082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least where Magic: the Gathering is concerned. < 1444113108 310331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, when they print the card it would do so, that is correct. < 1444113173 747663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I agree with zzo38. the cards say "he or she" because they don't want other people to suggest that Wizards wants only male or only female players to play the games. but the description of a particular game can use just "he" or just "she" < 1444113200 309233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's true. < 1444113246 184582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 also sometimes uses "he" in proposed card text, which is what I was thinking of. < 1444113301 399453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree on this aspect of English, anyway. < 1444113303 168081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, or rarely "she"; but clearly they would be printed differently (I also tend to omit reminder text too, even if it is reminder text they would probably print) < 1444113384 965632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444113390 925772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, reminder text is different. It's not part of the rules. < 1444113408 858118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a card that says "target player discards his hand" can only be used on male players. < 1444113427 426178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose that people who are neither "he" nor "she" are immune to many Magic: the Gathering effects.) < 1444113430 304247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are playing Un-cards then perhaps yes. But that is not what I am doing here < 1444113453 374713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the reminder texts, my biggest grief about that is that they printed Spreading Seas without a reminder text. < 1444113453 917774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, people who are neither "he" nor "she" are not immune (unless they are not playing the game, of course) < 1444113496 520954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The reminder text should say that it loses other land types and so on? < 1444113539 978475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a scow rule anyway. < 1444113548 276476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My problem with reminder texts is that Oracle texts include them as searchable text. They should be a separate search field when you want to search Oracle texts rather than printed texts. < 1444113570 762019 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: losing land types isn't the tricky part. the tricky part is that it also loses abilities that were printed on the card (such as if it's a non-basic land with a fancy mana ability; but does not lose abilities it gets in later layers) < 1444113577 656674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that some of the rules are klugy. < 1444113583 440983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: losing land types is normal, that's how type setting abilities work (with one exception) < 1444113593 716162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what I meant. < 1444113601 386784 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do all fantasy games have black lotuses? < 1444113614 761140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the exception? < 1444113777 558137 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: see 205.1b < 1444113794 789454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should have a Magic: the Gathering bot in here. < 1444113832 674687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exception is "artifact creature"? < 1444113891 87953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and I don't think players who are neither he or she are immune. "he or she" in a rules text always refers to a player who's mentioned previously in text, so that rule I can't find now might apply, that rule which says an effect that says “that [property]” to refer to an object previously mentioned by the text still refers to an object even if it no longer has that characteristic or property mentioned. < 1444113925 971317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which rule is that? < 1444113974 489887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was I just dreaming that? < 1444113989 253578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :etf < 1444113991 622376 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1444114367 924693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I was, I'm confusing it with something else or something < 1444114526 234399 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444114528 328930 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07J-why14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44599&oldid=44527 5* 0382.116.252.147 5* (+766) 10 < 1444114577 761859 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07J-why14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44600&oldid=44599 5* 0382.116.252.147 5* (+0) 10 < 1444114605 66090 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07J-why14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44601&oldid=44600 5* 0382.116.252.147 5* (+4) 10 < 1444114651 247430 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07J-why14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44602&oldid=44601 5* 0382.116.252.147 5* (-2) 10 < 1444114723 304495 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1444115631 9593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444115724 438833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has Shahrazad ever been used in Magic: the Puzzling before? < 1444115761 904480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic: the Puzzling is the name of a book, right? < 1444115793 1802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, although I mean in general and not only the book of that title. < 1444115950 691522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concordant Crossroads seem to be common in many puzzles though < 1444116184 635407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because to make a puzzle difficult, you typically need a lot of things happening on one turn < 1444116189 358173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haste is a good way to make that useful < 1444116297 266679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chess puzzles often continue over several turns. < 1444116303 867830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose determinism makes that easier. < 1444116341 94935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I can see that is why; it is why I had include such thing too < 1444116399 635914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, chess puzzles (and tsume shogi) usually do involve several turns; in Magic: the Puzzling it is usually only one but sometimes more than one or multiple. < 1444116431 989349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book titled "Magic: the Puzzling" does not use Shahrazad, but has Rosewater ever used it in any other puzzle and has anyone else ever done so? < 1444116454 625307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also another card that creates a subgame, right? < 1444116469 731788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the only other card is an un-card. < 1444116496 70195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I think the only other card is un-card < 1444116514 93936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That card has you play a subgame under the table. What if you're not playing on a table? < 1444116564 321227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use the other table! < 1444116585 318454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's an official un-ruling that if you have to start playing a subgame under the table when you're already under the table, you have to find a different table to play under < 1444116594 472284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1444116595 385091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would seem to be a similar situation < 1444116614 496365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was specifically thinking of the situation where you're not playing on a table because you're playing under the table. < 1444116624 803981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if your table has a table underneath it, though? < 1444116638 110650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that table still qualified as "a different table". < 1444116991 423069 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsume go also involve several turns < 1444116997 903460 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more live for go! < 1444117005 112525 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*love < 1444117254 849755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be noted that un-rulings are possibly not entirely serious < 1444117480 342207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1444118530 574864 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-89-122.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1444118917 878679 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07J-why14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44603&oldid=44602 5* 03Jabutosama 5* (+996) 10 < 1444119117 974983 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444119558 889734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once asked what actions are considered atomic for the purposes of conceding, and I have been told that nothing is. This allows a lot of possibilities. < 1444120025 739917 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right, but there's also some tricky phrasing in the rule about undoing invalid actions (such as trying to cast a spell that has no valid target) that imply that it doesn't undo conceding, so you can't just concede very quickly when someone says he announces he casts Lava Spike to stop him from casting it and then undo the conceding because the casting is rolled back. < 1444120146 676218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that, you can't undo conceding, and you aren't supposed to do anyways. < 1444120148 998006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, I don't mean Lava Spike. let's say Duress. < 1444120195 721775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was thinking more, suppose that someone's only source of red mana is a Mountain you own (but they control) < 1444120211 560790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they start to cast Lava Spike, you concede before they can tap your Mountain for mana < 1444120225 379489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, you can't undo conceding even in a multiplayer game with more than two teams where the game wouldn't immediately end when you concede. < 1444120273 57075 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444120282 468686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that can work, but I think there's also a rule that if you concede, then all your teammates lose, so you can't save your team this way. the only thing you can do is influence what opponent wins. < 1444120299 930763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer to add another rule: Whenever a player concedes, the other players have the chance to choose to concede simultaneously with that player. (Not relevant for the top-level of a 1.vs.1 game) < 1444120313 340728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which order? < 1444120323 763485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what if your teammates have angel's grace active? < 1444120337 702629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe your teammates can survive a concession due to formats like Star < 1444120339 689547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Are you sure? I think only in Two Headed Giant? < 1444120360 875276 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the complexity class of Magic change in 4-player commander? < 1444120362 518316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a normal team game you can concede and not have your entire team to lose. < 1444120370 113045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think Angel's Grace saves you from conceding, so I don't think it saves a teammate either, btu let me check the rules < 1444120376 301203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Conceding in a Star game is very rude, though. < 1444120377 722894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dunno, let me re-read the rules < 1444120391 105709 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No effect can stop any player from conceding. < 1444120400 522370 :skarn!skarn@unaffiliated/skarn JOIN :#esoteric < 1444120400 845824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think the Star games we used to play weren't the typical ones, actually. < 1444120406 275560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously you have to be able to concede any time, even during a spell, even without un-games. < 1444120430 75626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you concede a subgame? < 1444120432 871888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't think so; I currently believe that Magic is in one of the lower uncomputable complexity classes, even in 2-player 60 card Vintage < 1444120434 784062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1444120442 295832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I believe you can concede a subgame independently of the main game < 1444120459 228630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I can think of situations where you would want to do so) < 1444120466 974897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to know a lot of MtG rules but I've forgotten a lot. < 1444120492 98326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Rules Advisor thing expires next week. < 1444120510 543119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it'll be a felony to provide legal advice or something? < 1444120511 473239 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually played magic yesterday < 1444120520 902025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the situations aren't even that rare < 1444120530 329173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're right, I was wrong < 1444120532 655398 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1444120534 934982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when Shahrazad was unbanned, if someone played it against you in a tournament < 1444120541 470925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conceding the subgame was normally the best option < 1444120543 817093 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule that a player conceding makes his team lose is a rule only for Two-Headed Giant < 1444120547 501210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: physical cards? mtgo? proxies? < 1444120552 734169 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: physical cards < 1444120558 755580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which format? < 1444120564 581666 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commander, two players < 1444120574 660509 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend lent me a deck < 1444120582 597109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might play this weekend. < 1444120582 776435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in normal multiplayer game, I can indeed concede to save my teammate, such as when an opponent casts Hex < 1444120589 536202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rarely a good strategy, but it can work < 1444120596 858959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1444120599 42859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trouble is, the people I play with (including me) all hate playing this game. < 1444120610 27032 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost the first game, because I never got enough ramp to get going, but then I won the two following games < 1444120613 114221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if everyone hates it, that's a good reason to not play < 1444120628 390298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why was that? < 1444120629 383760 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: nice. what deck? < 1444120629 689924 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: indeed, some say that not playing is the only winning move < 1444120631 370086 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait < 1444120634 398184 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commander with two players? < 1444120637 343949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a thing? < 1444120640 203187 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently < 1444120641 620105 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Commander a multiplayer format? < 1444120650 586747 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :What stops you playing with two players? < 1444120660 206469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "hate" might be oversimplified. < 1444120665 131859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can play Commander with two players; rule 903.2 explicitly says so. < 1444120676 357670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: basically because decks that played Shahrazad were either trying to delay the game, or using repeated uses of Wishes to recycle their cards < 1444120683 721592 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I do not have a good memory for magic cards < 1444120686 75398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and conceding reduces their ability to do either of those things < 1444120698 108764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Did you commandeer a deck? < 1444120709 390352 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: essentially < 1444120711 590768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's a format known as Duel Commander or French Commander which is basically just 2 player commander, but the banlist is different because some cards are broken or nonbroken depending on the number of players < 1444120721 348826 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my commander was RGB5, I think a 7/5, gives all my creatures haste and says cascade, cascade < 1444120730 550113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not concerned about delaying the game, although the other possibility is something I have thought of. Of course it doesn't work if you have only 1 life point remaining < 1444120750 641144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok. I'd prefer ordinary singleton 60 or 100 card constructed, without the special commander thingies < 1444120774 856569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 cards seems like too many to me. < 1444120775 35647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "100 card singleton" is a format with minimal official Wizards support (i.e. I think they acknowledge it exists and not much else) < 1444120776 326982 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my opponent's commander let him steal sourceries from the tops of people's decks up to the casting cost? < 1444120783 807165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I haven't played Commander much. < 1444120798 122727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: those decks sounds like they were designed for multiplayer < 1444120811 486122 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they were < 1444120812 913332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because commander decks designed for duels are normally faster) < 1444120831 266392 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :He had the decks to play later that evening with a bunch of people < 1444120840 734524 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was the two of us hanging out between lectures < 1444120844 296611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually played a black deck that was almost singleton, with I think only one (non-basic) card duplicated, and that I could convert to a 60 card singleton deck easily. It wasn't a good deck, mind you. < 1444120849 29267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never played Commander, and I don't play Magic: the Gathering much at all (I do sometimes, but rarely), but I am interested in Magic: the Puzzling and would buy more books if they made them < 1444120859 675789 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played it in ordinary 60 card constructed that is. < 1444120881 301811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because black has so many different cheap removal spells that I can just pack all different ones and still have choices to make. < 1444120887 221645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If I made an unofficial Magic: the Puzzling book, would you buy it? < 1444120922 217168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes I expect so (if it isn't too expensive, and preferably if it can be paid in Canadian money) < 1444120969 650467 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still a very weak player but I am getting better < 1444120989 127201 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hmm indeed, the comprehensive rules specifically say "903.2. A Commander game may be a two-player game or a multiplayer game." < 1444121021 473289 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one of my goals is to become a half-decent player without spending any money on magic < 1444121039 283135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the critical Funge98 vulnerability in the topic? < 1444121056 480759 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get dressed and go to lectures < 1444121058 243252 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1444121060 569521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That is very difficult, even if you are using only proxies < 1444121101 309898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that difficult. < 1444121104 782034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can just play with other people you can borrow their cards. And occasionally there are tournaments you don't have to pay < 1444121116 833689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would give Taneb a bunch of free cards if he was in the area. < 1444121120 743550 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But my commander was RGB5, I think a 7/5, gives all my creatures haste and says cascade, cascade" -- do you mean Maelstrom Wanderer? That costs 5URG, not 5BRG. < 1444121140 997350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :B for Blue, perhaps. < 1444121147 722297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black should be S. < 1444121157 369796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Magic: the Gathering, B is for Black, though. < 1444121158 295248 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, black should be K, but that's too late < 1444121166 31344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't change it now < 1444121169 673271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :K? < 1444121175 117601 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: as in CYMK < 1444121180 520316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was like that ever since the game was invented. < 1444121186 186151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1444121192 351494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're stuck with B=(black mana symbol), U=(blue mana symbol), Q=(untap symbol) < 1444121210 323548 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and no, S=(snow mana symbol) < 1444121215 955121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no < 1444121225 905538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are so many names for combinations of colors. < 1444121227 958368 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you could say snow mana shouldn't exist, but still < 1444121258 604239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might still remember the names for the two-color combinations (Ravnica guilds, right?), but I'm hopeless at the three-color combinations. < 1444121264 932916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't help that people make up bad slang for them. < 1444121291 682378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :S stands for many things. < 1444121293 293009 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a ürogramming game at a google contest, wasn't it? < 1444121298 360872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are there? most of the names are just the names of the Ravnica guilds, the Alara shards, and the Tarkir khans < 1444121301 279346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schwartz, Shachor, Skull < 1444121325 896802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those names make sense < 1444121329 638159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never played Alara and I don't remember the Tarkir khans. < 1444121339 830635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for four-color combinations, you're screwed, though I think zzo38 had some names for them < 1444121359 193451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could be named in terms of what they aren't. < 1444121360 890026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The names I used are the same as names other people had used for four-colors < 1444121382 71830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coboros -- UBG < 1444121385 220723 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444121397 90756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coblack -- WURG < 1444121410 755178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be an easy system with half the memorization. < 1444121414 231444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that, although it is not the convention < 1444121429 652714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shards (WUB, UBR, etc.): esper, grixis, jund, naya, bant; wedges (WUR, etc.): jeskai, sultai, mardu, temur, azban < 1444121440 636838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I dislike the use of shard/wedge names to name colour combinations only < 1444121443 2072 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1444121443 871928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they also refer to decks < 1444121447 645528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(likewise guilds) < 1444121456 252004 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but what names are they? Yore-Tiller, Glint-Eye, Dune-Brood, Ink-Treader, Witch-Maw? < 1444121470 197292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like "jund" is an established deck in Modern, and players know how it behaves < 1444121477 302813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes < 1444121486 385424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a black/red/green deck built on different lines, IMO that shouldn't also be called "jund" because it's just confusing < 1444121490 178756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WGU is too good. < 1444121493 203174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be bant. < 1444121545 412073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shards are easy to remember because they're alphabetized: Bant is white centered and first in alphabetic order, Esper is blue centered and second in alphabetic order, etc < 1444121582 875484 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's spelled "abzan", not "azban" < 1444121605 864901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right < 1444121673 345157 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444121742 819412 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think that works, because "cored" would be a bad name < 1444121835 642710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of "Functional Commander", where you are not allowed two cards that differ only in name, in addition to standard Commander rules. < 1444121896 716185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but what if one is strictly better than the other? or the two are the same in nearly all circumstances? < 1444121904 521245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. would you allow both lightning strike and volcanic hammer? < 1444121962 307174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes you can have both, as their types differ. < 1444121980 327495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore it is not "differ only in name" < 1444121986 666030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any change is sufficent < 1444121993 434125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about creature type? < 1444122001 266371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Creature type changed is also sufficient. < 1444122010 828317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't really like that. I like the idea of using names, so that you can use both Terramorphic Expanse and the other land that's the same. < 1444122030 76305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Evolving Wilds < 1444122032 993599 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444122049 677788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting that you remembered the other one, Wizards seem to prefer Evolving Wilds to Terramorphic Expanse < 1444122058 437752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although Terramorphic came first) < 1444122080 720659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, because I have old cards in my collection, so I have four of Terramorphic < 1444122088 437808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't have Evolving Wilds (yet) < 1444122091 466822 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444122091 645938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1444122095 444017 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might lead to problems like players having to seek out rare cards like Fyndhorn Elves or portal cards, < 1444122103 781174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably have four of Terramorphic, it was all over the place when I used to draft < 1444122113 945742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not allowed both Llanowar Elves and Fyndhorn Elves though; you must choose one or the other. If opponent has to guess the name of the card, they don't know which one you have; put the one opponent think you don't have! Or, if you are playing a variant with teams, use the same name or different name depending on what works best with the decks being used. < 1444122114 895807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also people have to seek out rare cards anyway, if their deck needs them < 1444122119 47675 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not really worse than the way people have to seek out expensive cards right now. < 1444122129 584621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example there's a Legacy deck where most of the cards are cheap, but it really needs copies of Imperial Seal to function < 1444122142 762608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the rule about English names. < 1444122168 857976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is Imperial Seal a dupe of some other card? < 1444122188 711463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as I know < 1444122199 629700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was, the other card would almost certainly be played < 1444122199 808871 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1444122221 360736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this happens all over magic, in most formats < 1444122249 438497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still remember when people were playing 16 mythic rare planeswalkers, including a version of Jace, in their standard deck, right? < 1444122272 529216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently it has an instant-speed version, which is banned in Legacy (which is why nobody plays it) < 1444122294 505349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't think so < 1444122301 252140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 mythic-rare /cards/, that's believable < 1444122302 631856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember watching a practice match of such a game with all the planeswalkers replaced by proxies. It was very confusing. < 1444122306 27778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think Superfriends has ever been tier 1 < 1444122313 480916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the only deck that would use that many < 1444122427 576291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another kind of game would be "Standard Solitaire", which has the same rules of normal game except that rule 104.2a ("A player still in the game wins the game if all of that player's opponents have left the game.") is omitted. < 1444122448 893544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the win condition? effects that cause you to win only? < 1444122453 418920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1444122483 446478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1444122490 6320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that sounds strange < 1444122499 490086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A deck for use with such solitaire game would be really strange < 1444122508 100911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember winning with Coalition Victory in draft (twice, in fact) < 1444122515 833469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same deck though, two different matches) < 1444122518 997747 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1444122530 138783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think it would be. < 1444122555 133675 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you'd just need like two cards in the 60 card deck that were generally dead during most of the game, and you'd play it at your leisure after the opponent leaves the game < 1444122582 270627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two cards could be Elixir of Immortality and Helix Pinnacle < 1444122587 330193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's "solitaire" so there probably are no opponents < 1444122594 674963 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what why? < 1444122602 381859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what "solitaire" means < 1444122609 922648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but that's not what the rules zzo38 said say < 1444122631 311870 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444122633 433735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you play solitaire that is different, and all other deck-building conditions are ignored (including minimum 60 cards); you would use the deck to make the game more interesting, which would have to be really strange for solitaire playing! < 1444122640 319274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rule 101.1 is still working < 1444122643 724730 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting a weird case of GHC stack-space overflow: current limit is 33696 bytes. < 1444122664 73695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: that's… not very big < 1444122886 856410 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about 3kB < 1444122893 341507 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be enough < 1444122922 947220 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um, what all deck-building conditions. can you use non-Magic cards? un-cards? twenty Black Lotus proxies and twenty Plague Rats? < 1444123003 838160 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weird thing is < 1444123015 380491 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It overflows if I print the structure < 1444123021 350078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it must be designed using official non-un-cards, although it is not a tournament so you can use proxies if you wish < 1444123024 775689 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is crazily weird < 1444123026 307624 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like < 1444123028 639777 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I don't print it < 1444123035 90100 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsec doesn't stack overflow < 1444123036 621970 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I print it < 1444123039 533885 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsec will stack overflow < 1444123056 962550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: remember that Haskell is lazy < 1444123066 374453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack's going to be a bit deeper (inside the print) when you start to evaluate it < 1444123073 613477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be enough to tip the stack over the limit < 1444123109 359742 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't print it, how do you make sure it's evaluated deeply? < 1444123187 420569 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know. < 1444123241 638635 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if I do < 1444123248 62836 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Show Foo < 1444123259 963752 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't provide any implentation for show < 1444123264 423034 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*implementation < 1444123388 149952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use standard deck rules if you wish; it is a solitaire game so you can play the variant you want to play. < 1444123463 441267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: dunno, ask ghc or the #haskell people < 1444123487 51967 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have to use the default show, which I think exists and is based on showS or some such method < 1444123488 644995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think goldfishing is probably a better-balanced solitaire game with Magic cards < 1444123532 912374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Try it and see what happen < 1444123536 62111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you play against a hypothetical opponent who has a deck of 60 cards that can't be played (e.g. sorceries with no rules text or mana cost) < 1444123540 327022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have to beat them on the first turn possible < 1444123641 271438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or a deck of 60 forests, and the opponent tries to play a forest from their hand at the first main phase of each turn but does not do much else (this isn't a complete spec, because it doesn't tell what she'd choose if you cast Gifts Ungiven or even just Cruel Edict if she controls creatures). < 1444123673 505762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think someone pointed out that if the opponent is playing basic lands < 1444123675 568010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: This is why I made up the other game < 1444123680 229624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get an unrealistic advantage using land hosers < 1444123739 368011 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how is that unrealistic? most people play some sort of lands. he's playing only one type of land, you don't get to play landwalkers of all five basic land types for free. < 1444123750 562334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well if you know which one it is < 1444123755 169279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1444123762 92240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also basic lands are kind-of rarely used nowadays < 1444123775 213176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in constructed < 1444123778 284770 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if he plays plains instead? there are few hosers for that, right? < 1444123782 43809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of rare lands < 1444123793 785405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all basic land types have hosers < 1444123808 705040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might actually be mountains that are the least hosable < 1444123823 166340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can play mountainwalkers but against a goldfish it doesn't matter because they aren't blocking anyway) < 1444123841 999495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regardless of what single land type there is also Magical Hack. < 1444123893 634562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's Balance; Tithe; Knight of the White Orchid, but all of those work for any lands, basic or non-basic, and Balance makes the opponent sacrifice lands which isn't very powerful against a goldfish. < 1444123905 122768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of things like Karma < 1444123952 142343 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also Fellwar Stone and its land version (what's it called?), but those also work against many of the non-basic lands people typically play < 1444123973 831575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought Karma + Magical Hack < 1444123986 898926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there something that helps you because the opponent has six or seven lands in their hand? < 1444124009 790950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karma... hmm < 1444124017 126007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are definitely cards that punish the opponent for having a lot of cards in hand < 1444124023 454886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of one that targets land specifically < 1444124246 33484 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some cards that destroy lands, and even one that makes an opponent discard a non-basic land card, but those aren't very useful in a goldfish usually < 1444124314 454893 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it gives me said stackoverflow :) < 1444124464 226188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well it could help to fuel a deathrite shaman < 1444124480 146722 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't provide a "useful" show instance < 1444124489 996543 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it'd need to be show :: a -> IO String < 1444124518 140485 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I just wrote instance Show Foo < 1444124537 633634 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Show Foo where show x = "" works fine < 1444124573 46914 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, but those kinds of combos don't really give you an unfair advantage. < 1444124583 342192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1444124585 138776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already have a lot of advantage in goldfish. < 1444124615 305952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think mountain would be worse than plains, because there's some giants in Lorwyn and kors in Zendikar who have mountainwalk < 1444124622 709674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1444124645 90500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1444124653 348128 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mountainwalk doesn't give you a big advantage in goldfish < 1444124659 208982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget it then < 1444124775 922431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1444124799 709170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Painter's Servant affect cards in your sideboard, such as for Glittering Wish? < 1444124831 378272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the rules are these days. < 1444124903 609208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444126906 1955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1444127044 727411 :GoToTell!~GotoTell@62-205-89-122.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference < 1444127127 936094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444127195 213877 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1444127202 747251 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a maths lecture in a backless chair < 1444127209 488357 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chair was not designed to be backless < 1444127214 158943 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :The back was just missing < 1444127264 128387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1444127341 585661 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444127386 966643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohaily < 1444127787 854748 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for fields but without negation < 1444127811 410688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1444127818 982471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for rings there's rigs < 1444127819 584586 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, say, probabilities < 1444127845 533552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probabilities don't really have addition < 1444127859 849727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 + 1 isn't a probability < 1444127866 420641 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1444127873 864694 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like non-negative reals < 1444127913 687711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're more like a convex whatchamacallit < 1444128026 781406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the non-negatives are a "cone" in the reals iirc, but that doesn't say anything about division, it's a vector space thing. < 1444128431 219106 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-171-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444128502 337489 :Tefaj!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarski%27s_high_school_algebra_problem < 1444128510 907900 :Tefaj!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if there's a corresponding thing for fields. < 1444128514 750200 :Tefaj!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1444128546 89831 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohay < 1444128556 429774 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION erases that < 1444128569 909955 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohayœ̄rjan gozaimasu! < 1444128571 719094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION saw nothing < 1444128579 836602 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( damn enter key in the way ) < 1444128603 706804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just disable it, who needs it anyway < 1444128709 338563 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Øhāyo < 1444128770 107471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafettermiddag < 1444128913 688044 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fternooner < 1444128914 685334 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fternooner (Danish »fternooner«, Norwegian «ttermiddag», Swedish ”ftermiddag”) is a screamingly delicious pastry. < 1444128995 672719 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of pastries, I haven't drank a Fentimans in ages. < 1444129036 168740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about me, i have _never_ drunk one < 1444129040 81682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afaik) < 1444129149 534149 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Tanelle. please ship some to oerjan twh < 1444129181 295315 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please send address and postage < 1444129182 101162 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444129190 547326 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1444129192 160697 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't drank a Fentimans in ages, at least three weeks < 1444129298 38952 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to jump to conclusions too early, but there seems to be a serious impedance mismatch between the two sides of the Great Puddle... < 1444129311 880388 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure your ages were properly calibrated last time? < 1444129379 243894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had the Curiosity Cola in our local grocery supermarket in Finland back a year or two ago, in the "imports" aisle. < 1444129406 86345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think it was all that good, to be honest. < 1444129412 77910 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a sandwich shop next to the university which stocks it but you have to go early to get the curiosity cola < 1444129764 985209 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444129951 616746 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender < 1444130116 467856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so instead of Stifle, you could take Soul Summons to get Phyrexian Dreadnought, but that doesn't work in the three-card variant you were saying, because there you don't have the Dreadnought in your library < 1444130271 440138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could use Illusionary Mask (plus Phyrexian Dreadnought and Black Lotus, which amounts for three expensive cards, each of which is on the reserved list, but then, what did you expect from something with the Vintage ban list?) < 1444130312 394715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, you expect a lot of Vinage-restricted cards to show up < 1444130393 729920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illusionary Mask isn't restricted in Vintage. It's a crazy broken card in the modern sense, but you have to be broken harder than that to be restricted in Vintage. < 1444130399 699487 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1444130406 991264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Phyrexian Dreadnought isn't that broken at all, I think. < 1444130438 659392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's strong, with all the blink effects today it would be better to nerf it a bit, but it's not too broken. < 1444130474 191056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, not blink effects. Blink doesn't help for Phyerxian Dreadnought. It helps for Krosan Cloudscraper only. < 1444130511 123249 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1444130557 299531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1444130648 629198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1444130672 994601 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-74-94.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444130708 773069 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stylishly mapoles fizzie < 1444130759 510955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got a spam message saying only, and I quote, "CAN I DISCUSS WITH YOU." < 1444130943 47723 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you discuss with them? < 1444130966 854568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I will. < 1444130973 978497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even a question; it ends in a period. < 1444131040 354205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also an inheritance of "$2.500`000`00USD" waiting for me; that's the weirdest grouping of digits. < 1444131050 973493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if it's just two and a half dollars or what. < 1444131151 976679 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PECTORAL CHICKEN < 1444131549 941737 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-74-94.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444132034 201250 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: most likely < 1444132162 877901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett Is sin(a*pi) always an algebraic number when a is a rational number? <-- yes i think so. go via sin(z) = (e^(iz) - e^(-iz))/(2i) and then it's combinations of roots of unity. < 1444132163 54813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1444132366 448859 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1444132415 701078 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1444132512 452875 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1444132652 446145 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1444132773 419766 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-52-193.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444132975 305984 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1444133823 436659 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444134114 458083 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1444134143 535726 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1444134174 836130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh. must. not. read. magic. discussion. < 1444134654 663230 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-52-193.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444134848 261894 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-52-193.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444134859 935882 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-52-193.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1444134888 511661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what happens if I do instance Show Foo <-- in the case of Show, you get infinite recursion because two of the methods have defaults in terms of each other. < 1444134952 266875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, this shouldn't blow stack because they're tail recursions. < 1444134954 218258 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444134958 120284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1444134962 443863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they < 1444135001 479065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah testing in GHCi you _do_ get a stack overflow. < 1444135075 591243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src show < 1444135075 768273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :show x = shows x "" < 1444135082 353382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src showsPrec < 1444135082 530330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :showsPrec _ x s = show x ++ s < 1444135090 794915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src shows < 1444135090 971895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Are you typing with your feet? < 1444135101 873752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's shows = showsPrec 0 iirc) < 1444135126 321740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ++ s part ruins the tail recursion < 1444135220 227407 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444135470 64265 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Thanks. < 1444135537 968197 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1444135606 320164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: note that a dummy instance like show _ = "" means that "evaluating" a Foo at the GHCi prompt won't actually evaluate it at all. < 1444135646 49843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might put in a seq, but that'll only evaluate to the top constructor, as usual. < 1444135686 309397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data X = X; instance Show X where show = "dummy" < 1444135687 398374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:149:16: < 1444135687 575339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘X -> String’ < 1444135687 575394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[Char]’ < 1444135695 137175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data X = X; instance Show X where show _ = "dummy" < 1444135696 585313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1444135702 545518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined :: X < 1444135704 141824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : dummy < 1444135794 131961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose to test Parsec, it's enough since you get the "Right " printed. < 1444135802 483620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or matched on. < 1444137093 102833 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1444137173 443239 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444137252 54249 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444137545 898229 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea. Jimmy, the esoteric language for cracking corn. < 1444137639 67814 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444137973 589008 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1444138250 609333 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44604&oldid=44522 5* 03Padarom 5* (+461) 10Adding interpreters < 1444138412 717326 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444138820 423389 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444140083 705203 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1444140137 712386 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo graph morphism < 1444140267 736016 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444140420 424998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1444140654 701612 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444141515 701915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1444141591 266234 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1444141959 769024 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1444142319 866251 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444143588 918413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1444143608 61512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1444143711 581282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: an aura with the text "Enchant creature. / Permanents have protection from enchanted creature." would belong to what color? white or blue? < 1444144887 44929 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1444145219 119102 :bender!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444145272 947618 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:39ca:781b:8da:2748 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444145273 124641 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:39ca:781b:8da:2748 QUIT :Changing host < 1444145273 124727 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444145302 764532 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1444145550 964722 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1444145723 159025 :mroman_!~mroman@160.85.232.128 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1444146237 559026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: unred hth < 1444147102 433786 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444147803 978510 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1444148601 756898 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccezlrzvfwhawcqp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1444148742 446403 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444148780 818134 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doof, got disconnected last night. < 1444148980 971179 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was about to tell hppavilion[1] that there were already esoteric virtual machines, so using that as the hardware for an esoteric OS project would probably be a good choice. < 1444149008 873254 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, mathematical objects are good. < 1444149123 204505 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think would be nice is a language where the level of abstraction is sort of undefined. < 1444149142 661965 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that everything has a primary and optional secondary definition. < 1444149189 576876 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The primary definitions are all in terms of other things that have primary definitions, and the secondary ones actually describe the object for a specific hardware implementation. < 1444149189 839103 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1444149298 289341 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the interpreter is free to ignore the secondary definitions in favor of the primary ones as much as it wants, even going in multiple loops. < 1444149393 31730 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since its choice of primary or secondary definition is undefined beyond "try to avoid leaking user level abstractions down to the hardware level while not running too slow". < 1444149505 301445 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the latter can be considered subjective, and depends on available processor speed and memory as well as what situation the computer is being applied in. < 1444149563 842076 :MDude!~fyrc@c-73-175-58-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't see a reason to start with a different set of circularly definable objects than the oens on WIkipedia's page on mathematical objects. < 1444150121 172182 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444151464 493727 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44605&oldid=44405 5* 03109.190.184.38 5* (+141) 10Adding a link to a tutorial to create a LLVM based brainfuck compiler < 1444154197 841706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I would expect white but I really don't know. < 1444154395 278798 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1444156415 308038 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :ehdwdch < 1444156593 489994 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-52-193.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1444156756 938190 :ehdwdch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch < 1444157344 454938 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1444157602 624384 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-52-193.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444158055 273310 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1444158412 298784 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1444158503 112952 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444158528 890294 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1444158565 302127 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1444158770 827395 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1444160238 338356 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1444161338 324534 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444161702 449813 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1444162229 956771 :PupUser09822c!~PupUser09@107-133-248-236.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444162249 391280 :PupUser09822c!~PupUser09@107-133-248-236.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :=-O < 1444162280 563706 :PupUser09822c!~PupUser09@107-133-248-236.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net PART :#esoteric < 1444162342 926363 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1444162541 750319 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444162601 582020 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this channel about? < 1444162633 513256 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :any developer from sweden here? < 1444162765 360590 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome VictorCL < 1444162771 442417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VictorCL: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1444162774 926919 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sweden < 1444162775 764791 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden is the suburb capital of Norway. It's where all the Nobel prizes are announced, except the Math Prize. < 1444162850 256483 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1444162870 762055 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1444162883 1780 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to design an OS based on Druidic beliefes < 1444162885 779571 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*beliefs < 1444162886 714069 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a web developer and I am moving to sweden next year and I would like info about on how to find a job there < 1444162911 533145 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of the Desktop Metaphor, it would be based around the Henge Metaphor < 1444162967 469940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I-don't-remember-who-it-was was collecting geographical coordinates of channel regulars, not sure if that list's in any way up to date, or available anywhere. < 1444163033 810116 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is that a very long nick or do you ACTUALLY not remember their name? < 1444163034 284935 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-164-249.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1444163044 881859 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess it's too long to actually be a nick, so... < 1444163048 721316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually don't remember their name. Except that it was boily. < 1444163051 906922 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1444163052 945118 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1444163059 316061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Checked them logs.) < 1444163076 417309 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444163086 541230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/567927726028095488 < 1444163089 389214 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other kind of metaphors could be used? < 1444163104 927446 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually assume that all nordic countries are represented here, but am not sure < 1444163120 264824 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444163135 991473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I couldn't name anyone from Denmark or Iceland offhand. < 1444163209 537413 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :what esoterric programming language? < 1444163214 407033 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric* < 1444163221 701481 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like some porn stuff < 1444163226 176923 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric :P < 1444163235 710978 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI < 1444163236 104553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 062020Z 23003KT 160V300 9999 RA SCT060 BKN070 14/12 Q1011 NOSIG < 1444163248 235634 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444163303 517706 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :VictorCL: Are you asking what an Esolang is? < 1444163323 655772 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1] maybe .. dont know about esolang either :P < 1444163339 290115 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444163340 326967 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language < 1444163348 978464 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :VictorCL: That link should explain it all < 1444163410 505312 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I see < 1444163453 638659 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have lot of free time you get into esoteric programming? < 1444163507 569156 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444163517 170351 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hobby for most people... < 1444163523 311276 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444163532 808639 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :VictorCL: Basically, yes. We kind of overdo it xD < 1444163774 793082 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a connection to research in theoretical computer science (more specifically computability theory, where people are interested, among other things, in minimal Turing-complete formalisms) < 1444163780 976116 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to come up with an esoteric basis for UI metaphors... < 1444163835 860381 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Class is now over for me. < 1444163837 344088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving on. < 1444163844 595473 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444163924 54813 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: easy, brain waves ;) < 1444163924 244324 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's an opportunity to join forces with the OTHER kind of esoterica... I'm afraid... let's pretend I never wrote this < 1444163955 193003 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi a ^= b; b ^= a; a ^= b; < 1444163964 447716 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1444164002 635469 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1444164011 589088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :XorSwap: how's your friend, a -= b; b += a; a = b - a? < 1444164019 310464 :gde33|2!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444164143 205955 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1444164183 764513 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1444164190 988039 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring as ever < 1444164216 903873 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise 1 << 3 < 1444164219 121612 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :life < 1444164234 575783 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-sdvuaccthuefsokl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444164234 752970 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444164234 752989 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444164234 753084 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444164234 753131 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otthnrpslrnqfsbp QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444164234 753145 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444164234 753161 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444164234 753176 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1444164254 843859 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1444164375 235550 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1444164375 235593 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444164375 235608 :nchambers!nchambers@compilerdev.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444164375 235620 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1444164375 235632 :ocharles__!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otthnrpslrnqfsbp JOIN :#esoteric < 1444164375 235643 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1444164375 235655 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444164432 384664 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1444164821 748533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1444164883 632704 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1444164911 772157 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* 10New user account < 1444164943 692247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1444164990 427718 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444165030 158384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i must be misremembering the name < 1444165037 290977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought that was a haskeller < 1444165045 622980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :McBride? < 1444165049 175172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1444165056 201823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conor McBride is tg < 1444165067 313170 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1444165095 728440 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Conor O'Brien14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44606 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+244) 10Created page with "Hello! I am an aspiring Mathematics person and programming. I am currently into program language development, ergo, I start with simple, esoteric languages. Thanks for droppin..." < 1444165128 915421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also conan, of course. very portmantish. < 1444165166 443939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also O'Brien from 1984 < 1444165170 327815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was the best < 1444165190 434600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm was that the inner party man < 1444165205 199805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1444165223 867874 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you know that you cost me an hour of sleep last night < 1444165228 717698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so < 1444165255 133396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mwaha?) < 1444165258 406126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I proved in Isabelle that kjoin (kjoin xs) = kjoin (map kjoin xs) but it was messier than I expected < 1444165272 881486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is kjoin? < 1444165276 805382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1444165286 744853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1444165289 659463 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1444165294 937036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've thought to logcheck < 1444165295 547771 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kjoin xs = if [] `elem` xs then [] else concat xs < 1444165314 697452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: um you shouldn't use elem that requires Eq < 1444165341 916939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kjoin xs | any null xs = [] | otherwise = concat xs < 1444165371 512231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's what i had < 1444165382 235774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is < 1444165387 824747 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, I was translating back from Isabelle, where I had kjoin xss = (if [] ∈ set xss then [] else concat xss) < 1444165397 278760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't use booleans because booleans are scow hth < 1444165409 640856 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT?! < 1444165426 95144 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1444165436 33568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think shachaf might be overdoing it < 1444165446 687768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think booleans are fairly scow < 1444165453 408089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't see an easy other way of doing it < 1444165461 172245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :given haskell's standard library < 1444165521 453399 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1444165568 327909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my followup question now is whether there's any join for [] with the same Applicative that isn't concat when all lists are nonempty. i can show it must be a _permutation_ of concat. < 1444165589 208741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for any given list of lists.) < 1444165625 675805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i think this monad i found is in spirit NonEmptyT Maybe < 1444165638 181925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except NonEmptyT isn't defined anywhere i could find. < 1444165648 671700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: p. fancy < 1444165655 181081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should mention it to dolio < 1444165690 71987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the _normal_ list is MaybeT NonEmpty < 1444165705 738688 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444165705 961862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1444165711 864230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not. < 1444165747 387976 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mineso14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44607&oldid=26349 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-10) 10Fixed a CN < 1444165762 811694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to give too many empty lists. < 1444165775 321581 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mineso14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44608&oldid=44607 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-2) 10Fixed a "fixed" CN < 1444165836 634977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i did edit it into an SO answer < 1444165875 777350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ljoin? < 1444165913 624206 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll elaborate on Fungeoid < 1444165916 662402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ljoin and kjoin are the same. < 1444165943 573094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i already knew that join wasn't injective < 1444165986 116751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes sense that ljoin = lkjoin even though l /= k < 1444165987 128240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "maybe not" was to the MaybeT NonEmpty) < 1444166009 507959 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it safe to define a fungeoid as having instruction pointer direction, and not necessarily being multidimensional? (such as in Unefunge)? < 1444166048 801749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well i just made kjoin to @check that the two version were the same. i think. < 1444166096 422263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Unefunge also needs deltas, i think, so distance as well as direction. < 1444166116 26539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know what happens if you allow only +-1 < 1444166126 926384 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah right. Should I make deltas be a required feature or just be a preferred feature < 1444166160 990482 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well a funge /could/ be tape-based instead of stack-based (I think), so a Fungeoid could be TC without deltas by making it BF-convertible < 1444166161 867541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't need them if dimension > 1 < 1444166190 931686 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444166208 444986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: but going between [ and ] in bf is an arbitrary large jump < 1444166216 440350 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1444166217 334823 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right xD < 1444166220 11558 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot about that < 1444166236 663224 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes that he forgot about part of BRAINFUCK < 1444166244 958617 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bangs his head repeatedly against the wall < 1444166247 828860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your brain is fucked hth < 1444166262 218773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may not help hth < 1444166280 970122 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1444166340 484897 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1444166548 4038 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's on a hth... highway to hell < 1444166584 96544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION jumps < 1444166614 940950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmnh < 1444166631 592918 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1444166662 86450 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this must not happen < 1444166723 468009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dancrew2010.deviantart.com/art/TMNH-Design-1-332585425 hth < 1444166741 707823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.deviantart.com/art/Requested-Art-T-M-N-H-352432924 < 1444166746 887452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently these are quite popular to draw < 1444166774 605300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd. < 1444167134 936437 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick NICK :yorick < 1444167695 532257 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What weird ways to Fungeoids play with Instruction Execution Order? < 1444167815 844475 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fungeoid14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44609&oldid=22429 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+4159) 10Made page good. < 1444167925 631182 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome, internet. You're welcome < 1444167950 571351 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vanishes silently into the night, a hero of the city of interwebzopolis < 1444167971 754540 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? internet < 1444167972 631839 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1444168045 169885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( So tempted to fill that with "The Internet is for porn!" ) < 1444168051 414690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa < 1444168056 320851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks < 1444168058 150557 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, ove. Thove. < 1444168062 696265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this feature is tg < 1444168063 879098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks < 1444168064 732301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks < 1444168065 181495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks < 1444168065 742585 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, tamalor. Thamalor. < 1444168066 751756 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, perama. Therama. < 1444168067 416395 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, luption. Thuption. < 1444168086 825849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good to have lots of thumption. < 1444168171 766378 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should fill it with "The Internet is really really great! / I have a fast connection so I don't have to wait! / There's always a new site / I surf all day and night / I'm almost surfing at the speed of light!" and keep it to the reader to fill in the gaps. < 1444168182 271729 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/keep/leave/ (urk) < 1444168282 679478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course I may be the only one still remembering that 2003 meme. < 1444168381 638942 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I got the lyrics slightly wrong and I'm talking to myself. < 1444168476 735156 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1444168488 674125 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Star65114]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44610&oldid=25981 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+104) 10/* Um. */ new section < 1444168560 461609 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that game called where the whole goal is to make up new rules? < 1444168607 773362 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there'll ever be a new Funge xD < 1444168621 123468 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(official funge, not fungeoid) < 1444168749 419177 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game is nomic. < 1444168871 71463 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT! < 1444168874 182950 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOMIC! < 1444168886 792956 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried "Nami" and all I got was NAMI < 1444168887 925876 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1444168911 24009 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to play a game of nomic < 1444168915 462819 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classes are over for the day < 1444168918 24191 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTG < 1444169207 300784 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1444169256 638641 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cueball in http://www.xkcd.com/1586/ reminds me to Guy Litter from the StickManStickMan webcomic, who has similar superpowers < 1444169347 322145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the Pauli Effect < 1444169462 303083 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1444169711 575300 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1444169734 531749 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444169795 93517 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444169942 436909 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to start playing Nomic with some friends < 1444170019 66270 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :new rule, we shall only discuss nomic in years whose number according to the gregorian calendar is a prime number < 1444170078 991369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGAINST < 1444170101 316273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 2017 < 1444170102 186088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2017: 2017 < 1444170157 125313 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1444170157 302330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops someone actually spoke in ##nomic but left before we noticed < 1444170161 456303 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGAINST < 1444170175 352021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not very active) < 1444170450 604642 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1444170586 293131 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. I started λ-nomic. Now I need players. < 1444170824 57970 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sacred14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44611 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+2658) 10Created page with "'''Sacred''' is a joke esoteric language created by [[User:Conor O'Brien]] that is primarily a [[Brainf***]] derivative, but adds extra commands. It is entirely comprise of th..." < 1444170997 349816 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does anyone feel like playing? < 1444171136 883729 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a language called "Brainf***" so that all the pages with people afraid of cursing redirect to the wrong page < 1444171145 342816 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus points if it's NOTHING like Brainfuck < 1444171160 850178 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm talking event-driven combinatory logic different) < 1444171334 366885 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sigh* < 1444171544 170900 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Omnifuck14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44612&oldid=40987 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+28) 10Reduced size of monolithic opening paragraph < 1444171565 537227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], i'm formally in favour of anything that prevents brainfuck derivatives < 1444171580 38189 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know. I say your page. < 1444171595 399476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very old page i can't be bothered to edit < 1444171604 708379 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should we create the ODABD (Organization in Defence Against Brainfuck Derivatives) < 1444171626 957129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried delegating my brainfuck derivative hating duties to taneb but the lazy bastard just slacked off < 1444171628 98650 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've actually made a BF derivative, but it's meant to be potentially useful to someone someday somehow) < 1444171680 319926 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And a language inspired by a rather good brainfuck derivative called Arborealis) < 1444171758 136386 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a Markup Language that incorporates BF into it) < 1444171768 280230 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wow, I've done a lot of BF-related things.) < 1444171776 778610 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets aside a brick so Phantom_Hoover doesn't have to < 1444171872 994966 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, and a 2D-brainfuck derivative) < 1444171875 236974 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote unicycle < 1444171876 65961 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1056) I would like to learn how to use a sword And also how to ride a unicycle Perhaps not at the same time \ 1186) learn you a unicycle for great good < 1444171886 865510 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a small step closer! < 1444171895 875433 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I attended an introduction session at the kendo club) < 1444171965 907695 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't help you cycling! < 1444172011 840198 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm OK with BF derivatives if they add something original < 1444172019 754894 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Floatfuck would be OK? < 1444172022 394215 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is I can do the two separately, myname < 1444172040 541713 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TrivialBrainfuckSubstitutions though... < 1444172044 816449 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are an abomination < 1444172083 801953 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's all a matter of training < 1444172090 5076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: o hai. is this accurate twh http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/151005.html < 1444172129 14783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for the audible version of the scots wikipedia < 1444172206 287860 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1444172225 713318 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. did you inherit your $2.50? < 1444172244 180598 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What comes after # in the language suffix sequence? < 1444172248 33366 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes: < 1444172258 413738 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :, ++, #, ??? < 1444172265 51778 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably ascii < 1444172283 216453 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that < 1444172295 778529 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is a stack of two ++, therefore it should be three ++ on top of each other. < 1444172311 801080 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh xD < 1444172316 784303 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains a lot < 1444172322 117693 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, perhaps, a 3D # < 1444172329 342318 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ō_Ō... < 1444172332 293488 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow. < 1444172337 636854 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about that. < 1444172344 240800 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck#++? < 1444172349 180187 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective-Brainfuck? < 1444172362 967108 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could use +- stacked < 1444172367 129369 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C#̄̈? < 1444172376 882645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the ⁂ (U+2042 ASTERISM) but no PLUSTERISM. < 1444172380 231250 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make a BF derivative that could, potentially, be almost /useful/ to someone < 1444172381 378479 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1444172383 454372 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll use that.' < 1444172407 655493 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck Sharp14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44613&oldid=44550 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+332) 10Added Goal (please don't brick me) < 1444172409 793007 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll do. it's a stack, there are three thingies, they have spokes. < 1444172465 891053 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1444172473 900494 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a useful BF derivative. Somehow. < 1444172488 253067 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares extremely suspiciously at hppavilion[1] < 1444172490 649952 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm commiting war crims < 1444172493 874825 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crimes < 1444172495 531798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode tesseract < 1444172496 804376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1444172499 695951 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By making a BF derivative < 1444172512 936449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1444172528 467729 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION oils, polishes and tunes his mapole for maximum celerity < 1444172536 328563 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worth it. < 1444172564 506672 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have cojones. < 1444172576 685639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. While there's no PLUSTERISM, there is a TRIPLE PLUS -- it's just boring-looking: ⧻ < 1444172648 281865 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just you wait for some bored Haskeller to use it for arrows. < 1444172735 733522 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-fsfufjnalnpbtzqc QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1444172773 276367 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl 6 went live < 1444172846 266521 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA... < 1444172874 471013 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1444172965 780849 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sacred14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44614&oldid=44611 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+3216) 10 < 1444173089 204460 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck⁂14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44615 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1799) 10Started page (will finish later) < 1444173312 644686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⁂ < 1444173313 387256 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2042 ASTERISM] < 1444173387 138618 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sacred14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44616&oldid=44614 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+654) 10 < 1444173387 499033 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1444173389 309322 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@74-114-87-75.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1444173708 680671 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44617&oldid=44146 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+97) 10/* General languages */ < 1444173996 856630 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sacred14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44618&oldid=44616 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+5) 10/* Interpreter */ < 1444174162 913756 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44619&oldid=44597 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+362) 10 < 1444174250 20903 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-102-224.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1444174366 586105 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-52-193.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1444174379 689873 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-102-224.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1444174673 928702 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ds01-214-177.dynamic.mtsallstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444174698 416649 :heddwch!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :indekkusu < 1444174741 918466 :VictorCL!~VictorCL@67.pool85-50-174.dynamic.orange.es QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1444175105 532517 :edwardk!sid47016@haskell/developer/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1444175125 369945 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1444175408 345126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Conor O'Brien14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44620&oldid=44606 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+13) 10/* Languages I have made */ < 1444175422 132477 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I know BF derivatives are typically bad, etc. etc. < 1444175434 830449 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if a derivative includes something new and unique? < 1444175442 637130 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, Functional Programming < 1444175446 920573 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apply, reduce, etc.) < 1444175461 120914 :indekkusu!heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch < 1444175524 114233 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there are any esolangs with an HCF instruction yet. you could always add that. < 1444175527 917961 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mwah ah ah.) < 1444175539 884434 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's HCF? < 1444175596 437451 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki: < 1444175604 76409 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The expression "catch fire" in this context is normally facetious, rather than literal - referring to a total loss of CPU functionality during the current session, not physical damage." < 1444175616 53475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : /normally/ < 1444175626 854530 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally. there are recorded cases of fire ^^ < 1444175853 752080 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Functional Programming in a BF derivative. Is that supreme enough for it to be an acceptable derivative? < 1444175875 812782 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming that "Acceptable Derivatives" start, at maximum, at around where Arborealis is) < 1444175881 481700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly. < 1444175929 41978 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-235-217.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric