00:12:47 <\oren\> imback 00:13:52 <\oren\> b_jonas: Hmm, the kanji are showing up fine on my computer at home and the one at work 00:14:40 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 00:16:22 <\oren\> god damn caching! 00:17:23 <\oren\> probably the cause of all this crap is that my.css is being cached 00:18:46 <\oren\> I need a way to solve this caching problems for good! 00:26:47 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 00:27:02 [wiki] [[English]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44564&oldid=44056 * 71.178.9.97 * (+167) /* Compilers */ adding an example of computer programs that can compile English. 00:27:38 <\oren\> hmmm... I'll make a cgi script that can read a filename and some random numbers, and return just the file. Then I can change the random numbers to defeat caching 00:29:20 You know how complex numbers are equal if their magnitudes match and their angles match modulo 2pi? If we take out the modulo 2pi part then every number has a single square root 00:30:29 what we lose is the ability to add numbers with different angles 00:36:37 a very substantial loss 00:37:39 <\oren\> doesthiswork: why do we lose that 00:40:28 -!- GoToTell has joined. 00:42:46 @tell mroman_ http://mathworld.wolfram.com/UniformSumDistribution.html (7) (8) (9) 00:42:46 Consider it noted. 00:42:52 because multiplying just adds the angles, but I'm not sure how to combine them when I add two numbers, so i just leave them separate 01:05:13 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:18:10 -!- boily has joined. 02:00:30 Oh dear fungot in the sky. Please drive me away from temptation, namely binging on webcomics before going to sleep. 02:00:30 boily: to the room of a dwarven assassin who happens. that includes any " wizard formerly known as " eagle-eyed pete" before bozzok caught, we would like my mode of transit returned, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i not, lieutenant, do i n 02:00:44 right, need to check if there were any oots updates lately... 02:02:46 only one hth 02:03:00 ^style 02:03:00 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots* pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 02:03:06 whoa whoa whoa 02:03:09 is that new? 02:03:21 fungot: what's with durkon 02:03:21 shachaf: we need to get the hell, i rolled a 1 gp fee, we'll get you thinking like a rogue," as " par for my people, i would get the message would actually put us in mortal danger is infinitesimally low. 02:04:31 hellochaf. there was only one. 02:05:34 I think I'll succumb to the siren calls of my mattress and be comatose for the next few hours, responsibly like the responsible adult that I am. or something like that to that generic effect. 02:05:40 -!- boily has quit (Quit: PANCREATIC CHICKEN). 02:50:11 -!- danofthedeep has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 03:10:25 -!- GoToTell has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 03:48:23 -!- Frooxius has joined. 04:01:42 -!- MDude has joined. 04:07:17 ^style c64 04:07:18 Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) 04:07:54 ^show 04:07:55 echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 8ball rreree rerere botsnack bf 04:09:25 ^botsnack woot 04:09:25 Oh nom nom nom! 04:09:38 ^bf +>+>+ 04:12:33 what does the style get used for? 04:13:18 fungot: irq 04:13:18 newsham: stack requirements: 2 2 zero page addressing instructions of the programmer's reference guide at your local dealer, is used in the character shape that you need to test more than one machine language 04:13:38 fungot: sys 04:13:38 newsham: load"",1,1 ( looks for the target line number value written to tape buffer pointer to the end of each harmonic present is proportional to the screen is divided into two nybbles of each sprite has a keyboard buffer 04:33:06 [wiki] [[Wordy]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44565&oldid=42292 * Iamevn * (+680) BNFish thing added 04:47:08 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 05:03:23 -!- mauris has joined. 05:14:11 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 05:15:32 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:24:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:28:56 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 05:37:19 -!- J_Arcane_ has joined. 05:41:03 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 05:41:14 -!- J_Arcane_ has changed nick to J_Arcane. 05:46:46 followed that link posted by hppavilion[1] and i ended up here http://www.jayconrod.com/posts/35/parsing-keyvalue-pairs-in-bash 05:47:06 the rest of the site looks cute, and they have a bash section, and it's pure crap 05:47:17 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 05:59:33 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 06:05:33 fungot: elite funge98 demos 06:05:33 Jafet: for best results, the basic rom, or modify program lines give each function name. 06:07:44 \oren\: put in some HTTP headers. there's like three different ones, and clients and proxies look at different sets 06:11:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 06:22:46 https://twitter.com/badedgecases 06:23:46 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 06:24:37 -!- sc00fy has joined. 06:27:50 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 06:43:42 Huh, Kiribati and Kiritimati (pronounced "Kiribas" and "Kirismas", naturally) are at UTC+14:00 06:49:52 -!- sc00fy has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 06:55:11 -!- sc00fy has joined. 07:11:01 -!- oerjan has joined. 07:13:10 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:13:49 -!- sc00fy has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 07:14:32 @tell izabera *MWAHAHAHA* 07:14:32 Consider it noted. 07:15:12 and that was even a guest comic 07:25:37 @tell Gregor `echo `whoami` is on <-- you know it would be brilliant if that (well, corrected) actually gave the nick 07:25:37 Consider it noted. 07:26:47 might not always fit lexically 07:28:13 `` ls wisdom/c* 07:28:15 wisdom/c \ wisdom/c# \ wisdom/c++ \ wisdom/cake \ wisdom/cakeprophet \ wisdom/california \ wisdom/can \ wisdom/canada \ wisdom/canary \ wisdom/caps lock \ wisdom/cat \ wisdom/catamorphism \ wisdom/categorical product \ wisdom/category \ wisdom/category-helpdesk \ wisdom/category theory \ wisdom/cello \ wisdom/certainly \ wisdom/certainty \ wisdom/c 07:28:36 hm forgot what it was 07:28:49 `ls /proc 07:28:49 1 \ 10 \ 2 \ 281 \ 285 \ 286 \ 287 \ 288 \ 289 \ 290 \ 291 \ 292 \ 3 \ 4 \ 47 \ 49 \ 5 \ 51 \ 6 \ 68 \ 7 \ 76 \ 77 \ 8 \ 9 \ buddyinfo \ bus \ cgroups \ cmdline \ config.gz \ consoles \ cpuinfo \ crypto \ devices \ diskstats \ driver \ execdomains \ exitcode \ filesystems \ fs \ interrupts \ iomem \ ioports \ irq \ kallsyms \ kcore \ kmsg \ kpageco 07:29:10 `cat /proc/cmdline 07:29:11 initrd=/usr/bin/../lib/umlbox/umlbox-initrd.gz ubda=/tmp/16088.conf mem=256M con1=null,fd:3 con2=fd:5,fd:8 con=null,null root=98:0 07:29:22 hmph it's not in there 07:29:53 `cat /proc/buddyinfo 07:29:53 Node 0, zone Normal 1 3 1 2 2 4 4 3 2 2 57 07:30:15 `` ls /proc | tail 07:30:16 sysemu \ sysrq-trigger \ sysvipc \ timer_list \ tty \ uptime \ version \ vmallocinfo \ vmstat \ zoneinfo 07:30:38 `` ls /proc | tail -30 07:30:38 ioports \ irq \ kallsyms \ kcore \ kmsg \ kpagecount \ kpageflags \ loadavg \ locks \ meminfo \ misc \ mounts \ net \ pagetypeinfo \ partitions \ self \ slabinfo \ softirqs \ stat \ sys \ sysemu \ sysrq-trigger \ sysvipc \ timer_list \ tty \ uptime \ version \ vmallocinfo \ vmstat \ zoneinfo 07:30:55 `cat /proc/seld 07:30:56 cat: /proc/seld: No such file or directory 07:30:58 `cat /proc/self 07:30:59 cat: /proc/self: Is a directory 07:31:15 `ls /proc/self 07:31:16 auxv \ cgroup \ clear_refs \ cmdline \ comm \ coredump_filter \ cpuset \ cwd \ environ \ exe \ fd \ fdinfo \ limits \ maps \ mem \ mountinfo \ mounts \ mountstats \ net \ ns \ oom_adj \ oom_score \ oom_score_adj \ pagemap \ personality \ root \ smaps \ stat \ statm \ status \ task \ wchan 07:31:56 `cat /proc/self/personality 07:31:57 00000000 07:35:27 -!- mauris has joined. 07:35:39 `` which wh 07:35:40 No output. 07:35:42 `` which who 07:35:43 /usr/bin/who 07:36:05 `` who are you 07:36:06 No output. 07:41:52 ] x 07:42:01 j-bot: x 07:42:01 oerjan: x 07:42:11 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 07:42:12 j-bot: help 07:42:13 oerjan: |value error: help 07:42:28 j-bot: 1+1 07:42:28 oerjan: 2 07:43:16 oh 07:43:21 [ 2^10 07:43:22 oerjan: 1024 07:45:11 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:50:06 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:50:58 * oerjan swats hppavilion[1] in absentia for quitting _just_ as he was finishing his message -----### 07:51:15 oerjan: ohai 07:51:20 * oerjan swats that "he" for ambiguity -----### 07:51:25 ohayo 07:54:56 -!- mauris has joined. 07:56:51 -!- neo1-9-7-S has joined. 07:57:38 `? swat 07:57:39 swat? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 07:59:10 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:59:23 -!- mauris has joined. 08:06:12 -!- mauris_ has joined. 08:08:42 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 08:15:06 -!- mauris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 08:18:39 @tell boily Oh dear fungot in the sky. Please drive me away from temptation, namely binging on webcomics before going to sleep. <-- most inefficient prayer ever tdnh 08:18:39 Consider it noted. 08:18:39 oerjan: changing banks. once the channel is left out the computer responded with bit 0 for external audio signals, the graphics display is no line x, y is a mistake in your programmable characters in length, and 08:20:56 -!- mauris has joined. 08:22:56 fungot: so y is the debugging channel? 08:22:57 FireFly: there is a good description of the first 8 pixels is erased: the test is accomplished for voice 1 at location 53276 ( d01c). it is recommended that a high-pass filter reduces the volume of the basic interpreter 08:25:21 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:26:53 @messages 08:27:04 why did i get a mwahahaha 08:27:29 does lambdabot accept @messages in pm? 08:27:56 looks like it does 08:30:27 i did that in public anyway 08:32:02 and it was in response to your own 08:38:30 -!- mauris has joined. 08:39:54 @massage 08:39:54 You don't have any messages 08:42:30 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:59:26 -!- sammwch has joined. 09:01:31 -!- sammwch has quit (Excess Flood). 09:01:39 -!- sammwch has joined. 09:01:46 -!- heddwch has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:02:05 -!- sammwch has changed nick to heddwch. 09:04:34 -!- mroman_ has joined. 09:04:54 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Golfing_language still only shows GolfScript but there are other pages in that category as well o_O? 09:08:20 i see 5 languages there 09:08:28 -!- Patashu has joined. 09:08:48 try reloading 09:09:47 mroman_: iirc there's a bug with the category pages so that only the actual text counts for last modified date, or something 09:11:19 -!- FreeFull has quit. 09:21:03 -!- FreeFull has joined. 09:21:26 -!- gniourf has quit (Quit: Leaving). 09:21:59 -!- gniourf has joined. 09:23:24 [wiki] [[Category:Golfing language]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44566&oldid=44533 * 160.85.232.152 * (+12) * programming languages 09:24:28 yeah now I see 5 too 09:44:06 Do any of you guys have eso programs that produce fibonacci numbers that you'd release into public domain 09:44:13 or were already released into public domain 09:46:20 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:47:44 -!- ais523 has joined. 09:54:55 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 09:59:10 -!- neo1-9-7-S has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:08:27 [...] it is recommended that a high-pass filter reduces the volume of the basic interpreter 10:08:27 fizzie: 2) test for the considerations involved), and not in the 10:08:31 I liked that one. 10:08:53 fungot: Do you mean the basic interpreter makes a lot of low-frequency noise? 10:08:53 fizzie: bits 0-3 listed in the directory entry will read the paddle fire buttons. see entries for the operator to type the following 10:09:03 -!- Frooxius has joined. 10:23:57 "creatonism motion" 10:24:02 what the fridge is that 10:26:09 and scottish.parliament.uk has a nice "Server Error in '/' Application." error message 10:26:21 looks .NET-like 10:26:47 ah fuck those fucking javascript links 10:26:59 you can't fucking open them in a new tab 10:28:44 ^style 10:28:44 Available: agora alice c64* ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 10:28:52 I'm not used to this fungot style 10:28:53 ais523: there are eight sprites, numbered from 0 again, i.e., but doesn't affect the number of times the one's place, then that sprite is 24 by 21 dots high. 10:29:04 ^style c64 10:29:04 Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) 10:34:09 One problem with it is that I didn't properly fill paragraphs. 10:34:25 So it's prone to stopping in the middle of a 10:34:58 fungot: What's the address to poke for the border color? 10:34:59 fizzie: 70 goto 20 get1, a zero, then that character. if the device-number is left off. 10:35:20 That doesn't seem right. 10:35:42 ais523: I looked at ayacc, and I like how the new style C api can be used re-entrantly without globals. I'm still sort of missing multiple entry points (top level symbols), but I can work that around. 10:35:53 I'll definitely try to test it. 10:36:01 b_jonas: it has multiple entry points 10:36:08 just give more than one %start declaration 10:36:13 ais523: oh, it can do that? 10:36:15 great 10:36:16 you'll get a warning saying that POSIX disallows it, but it'll work 10:36:23 that wasn't clear from the documentation 10:36:25 (the new-style API has the start symbol name in it for a reason) 10:36:29 I'm not sure if I've documented that yet 10:36:41 ah! so "_start" isn't literal, but it's supposed to mean an underscore followed by the start symbol name? 10:36:48 in yyparse_start that is 10:36:57 right 10:37:07 also, another thing I wanted to ask is, 10:37:47 you have the -p option to prefix all the exported symbols, or make it static. is there a corresponding declaration for this that you can put right inside the yacc input file? 10:38:23 b_jonas: currently no; -p is specified by POSIX, -p from inside the file isn't 10:38:54 -!- boily has joined. 10:39:02 what's your use case for that? running "make" to run yacc, without an explicit makefile? 10:39:14 or using aimake without an explicit rule to add -p? 10:39:32 normally the assumption is that people who write programs have control over the build instructions 10:39:49 and is there a way you can tell it to put all the symbols inside (a) a C++ namespace or set of nested namespaces, (b) as extern "C"? both of these three is easy, you just have to emit a line of code before your declarations, but after any standard #include lines, plus some closing braces at the end. 10:40:12 ais523: no, I'm just wondering, the -p option is fine. it's inside a namespace that I'm really wondering about. 10:40:27 b_jonas: there isn't currently, although some day there will be 10:40:48 it just seems strange how some of yacc is controlled from command line and some from the yacc file, and I don't see the logic on what is where. 10:41:54 AFAIU, the split should be: the yacc file controls what the parsing algorithm is and the mathematical description of what is being parsed; the command line controls the API from which the parser is called from outside 10:41:57 So for the re-entrant api, the cookie pointer is passed to the yylex and the yyerror functions that I supply. But how do I access the cookie from braced grammar rules? 10:43:23 ais523: that could make sense in theory, but in practice I won't be using just a simple mathematically nice grammar, but a grammar that only ayacc thinks is LALR(1), but actually it interacts with the lexer input and the braced blocks in strange ways. 10:43:44 b_jonas: well it still lets you know where the API split is 10:44:06 And in that case, some of the magic is in external source files, some in the grammar rules, and some is in the C code at the beginning of the yacc file. 10:44:12 (C or C++ code) 10:44:21 also I don't think brace rules have access to the extra void * at the moment, at least not officially 10:44:30 it'd be easy enough to give them access, though 10:44:40 Please give them access then, I think that would be useful. 10:44:50 It could be worked around, because the lexer can pass that pointer to it in every symbol, 10:44:59 but I think the parser already holds that pointer so it's pointless. 10:45:12 it actually has a name right now, it's just "internal" and isn't meant to be user-visible 10:46:24 "yys.yyp.yylexarg" apparently 10:47:15 I'd like to use the extra argument because I want to start multiple nested yyparse instances. 10:48:17 I guess the correct thing to do here is to add a macro to expose the parameter under a more sensible name 10:48:19 do you have one in mind? 10:48:32 no 10:48:45 well 10:48:51 it could have "cookie" or "baton" in it 10:49:10 these are weird names to use for the spare void * parameter 10:49:10 pointers like this are usually called one of "cookie", "baton", "token", or "data", but "data" is stupid, and "token" is confusing in a parser generator 10:49:17 normally it's called something along the lines of "arg" 10:49:18 I prefer "cookie" 10:49:37 because "cookie" means it's uninterpreted by you 10:49:48 "baton" is used because it's something the library "passes on" to you. 10:50:11 yeah, "arg" is almost as bad as "data" 10:50:17 there's also "environment" or similar 10:50:17 my understanding of a "cookie" or "magic cookie" is a special meaningless value that you use as a confirmation 10:50:33 sort-of like paranoid_quit but for programs 10:50:45 um, I think that's "magic value" 10:50:51 I didn't know it was called for cookie 10:51:30 sort-of like the way that reboot(2) requires its first two arguments to be 4276215469 and 677274793, in an attempt to reduce the potential impact of undefined behaviour 10:51:56 (a few other options are now available for the second argument; they're used to commemorate important events in Linux's history) 10:52:00 ais523: exactly 10:52:15 ais523: there's such things used in data structures to check for accidental memory corruption or invalid pointers 10:52:32 plus there's also "canary" or "sentinel" bytes used for detecting overwriting past the end of a buffer 10:52:38 "canary" to detect corruption early 10:52:53 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_cookie 10:53:01 -!- ais523 has quit. 10:53:14 -!- ais523 has joined. 10:53:28 right, a canary is a value whose purpose is to detect being overwritten 10:53:49 ais523: a HTTP cookie doesn't mean this though, it just contains a value that isn't interpreted by the HTTP client, but is passed back to the HTTP server 10:53:55 yes 10:54:10 hmm, Wikipedia's definition of a magic cookie is more general than mine and less general than yours 10:54:23 is any of these apart from "token" used in some meaning related to parsers? if a word is, we should avoid it 10:54:27 it's basically a value that's treated like a handle: the value is used to distinguish between different callers 10:54:44 oh yes, "opaque handle" 10:55:37 Windows uses handles a lot 10:57:03 let me check some libraries for what they use 10:58:22 qsort_r uses "arg" 10:58:38 (that was the first function with a callback-style void * that came to mind) 10:59:15 it seems lua doesn't have a C cookie associated with C functions (that is, lua functions implemented in C), but it lets the function have lua upvalues, and some of those lua upvalues can be "light userdata", that is, C pointers. however, the memory allocator function does have a cookie argument, and it's called variously "ud" and "ptr". 10:59:35 I'll have to check sqlite3, it has some cookies 11:01:05 `? cookie 11:01:06 cookie? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 11:01:25 yum 11:01:33 ^botsnack 11:01:34 Oh nom nom nom! 11:01:42 @massages-loud 11:01:42 oerjan said 2h 43m 3s ago: Oh dear fungot in the sky. Please drive me away from temptation, namely binging on webcomics before going to sleep. <-- most inefficient prayer ever tdnh 11:02:18 ithm effective 11:02:30 @tell oerjan fungot answers me. fungot is great. fungot fungot fungot ♪ 11:02:30 Consider it noted. 11:02:30 boily: os pointer to point to the 6510 at addresses 53248-57343 ( d000-dfff). specialized control circuitry minimizes software overhead, facilitating use in the sprite shape data in files, so that break points may be an input/ output operations. the 11:03:31 fungot: stop almost making sense already 11:03:32 int-e: examples: 100*2 50*0 a*x1 r%*14 print 43648 program text. once read, and 11:04:18 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/mlp/images/8/86/Cookie_Crumbles_ID_S4E23.png/revision/latest?cb=20140614061241 cookies 11:04:31 sorry, that's not relevant to the discussion 11:04:45 somewhat disturbingly, it got the decimal/hex conversion correct (probably unique tokens, but still). 11:05:45 . o O ( Cookie grammar: Cookies go well *with* tea, not *in* tea. ) 11:05:56 b_jhellonas. it's a poney cookie. or a cookie poney. 11:06:10 fungot, what's 380°F in celsius scale? 11:06:10 b_jonas: 1) can be held to 0 of the commodore 64 program cartridge. you must first choose a location as a single value which the 11:06:29 your poney sounds phoney 11:06:53 the fungot hasn't loaded the proper cartridge to convert temperatures. 11:06:53 boily: last key pressed. if future changes are made available by altering the contents of the 1k chunk of memory 11:06:58 @google 380°F in °C 11:07:00 http://checkpriceonline.tk/termometro-infrarossi-puntatore-laser-50-380-digitale-modello-1-koka69946/ 11:07:00 Title: Buy Cheap Best TERMOMETRO INFRAROSSI PUNTATORE LASER -50Â°/380Â°DIGITALE ... 11:07:08 @google 380F in C 11:07:09 193.333333 degrees Celsius 11:07:09 https://www.evi.com/q/380_fahrenheit_to_celsius 11:07:16 oh the unicodity... 11:07:45 the first hit is disturbing 11:08:09 @google 451F in C 11:08:11 232.777778 degrees Celsius 11:08:11 http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/explainer/2012/06/ray_bradbury_death_does_paper_really_burn_at_451_degrees_fahrenheit_.html 11:08:11 Title: Ray Bradbury Death: Does paper really burn at 451 degrees Fahrenheit? 11:08:14 sqlite3 calls it at least user_data (as in sqlite3_user_data to query it) and pApp (but it uses crazy prefixed names like that for most non-public api symbols), pArg, and sometimes simply unnamed because it appears only as a function parameter 11:09:05 libev specifically calls it "data" 11:09:28 sqlite3 also calls it pAppData in a public (but not mandatory) api 11:12:18 and also pClientData 11:12:26 ok, so in sqlite3 they just use random names for this 11:13:00 and even random interfaces: some functions (deallocators of structures you allocate yourself) don't get a cookie at all, some get a cookie pointer passed to it, and some have to call a function to get their cookie pointer. 11:13:04 crazy 11:13:21 -!- nooga has joined. 11:13:40 if "cookie" is ambiguous, how about "baton"? does that have other meanings? 11:15:24 I just had this idea for a language, which compiler would assume that every programmers statement is a lie, and there would be a keyword "srsly" which would mark statement as not-lie 11:15:34 but the compiler wouldn't trust the keyword 11:15:46 so it would have to solve liars paradox in compile time 11:15:53 and would ask questions to the programmer 11:24:27 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 11:25:12 -!- bender| has joined. 11:27:57 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: lunch). 11:33:02 -!- boily has quit (Quit: FLUVIAL CHICKEN). 11:35:02 -!- sc00fy has joined. 11:38:30 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:48:06 -!- sc00fy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:03:52 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 12:12:23 anybody experience with mod_rewrite 12:12:32 it dosen't accept my (.*)$ rule apparantely 12:14:11 but you can match ^api/(.*)$ hm... 12:15:29 -!- ais523 has joined. 12:19:55 ais523: ok, I'd say yybaton then, unless baton also has some other meaning 12:19:59 -!- ais523 has quit (Client Quit). 12:20:16 -!- ais523 has joined. 12:20:27 b_jonas: the problem is that "baton" isn't commonly used for this sort of argument 12:20:34 I'd probably just call it "arg", maybe with a qualifier 12:20:40 because that seems to be what everyone else calls it 12:21:44 ais523: I think it is used somewhere, let me check 12:27:10 ais523: I think libsvn (subversion C api) uses "baton", but I don't know if that appears in the api names, or only the docs or function argument names 12:27:27 maybe even call it yyvoidstar 12:27:33 ais523: uh no 12:27:34 because "the void * argument" is the standard name for it in conversation 12:27:41 ais523: you can call it yyuserdata but I don't much like that 12:27:56 hmm, I like that better than "baton" at least 12:28:14 or yycontext, yyupvalue, yycontinuation, yyenvironment 12:29:03 "userdata" is used, but not quite in this context, but in C structures that you may want to extend with your own data, but they're mallocated by the library so you can't just inherit from them 12:29:24 used this way by the gnome people that is 12:30:02 gnome as in the group of libraries, not as a race 12:30:17 "continuation" is completely wrong, a continuation is basically the functional version of a goto 12:30:39 b_jonas: I don't think anyone would have interpreted that as being about gnomes the mythological creatures 12:30:49 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:30:53 * ais523 wonders if GNOME is at all related to ELF and DWARF, or if it's just a coincidence 12:31:12 I think DWARF is related to ELF 12:31:21 I don't know about GNOME, but I think it's related to GNU 12:31:46 wait wait 12:32:02 isn't gnome very old, as in, it might predate the use of ELF on linux? 12:32:08 how old is gnome? 12:32:23 Linux used something before ELF? 12:32:27 oh right, a.out 12:32:34 ais523: yes, but that was way before I started with linux 12:33:02 when I started with linux, it already used only ELF, and the a.out stuff is for compatibility in the kernel and binutils only. nobody even has a.out libc so you can't actually run a.out programs. 12:33:03 you see occasional references to the a.out format in manpages, that's how I know about it 12:33:15 (it is quite confusing that it has the same name as the default output file from cc) 12:34:03 basically the linux libc started in a.out, then it jumped to ELF, at which point it got renamed to gnu libc AND glibc AND libc 2.*, and they used it to break binary compatibility, which is generally a useful thing to do sometimes with libc to get rid of badly designed crap, and should be done more often 12:41:50 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 12:45:17 -!- ais523 has quit. 12:45:43 -!- ais523 has joined. 12:48:58 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 12:55:51 I remember Slackware doing the libc5 to glibc switch, and it was somewhat messy. 12:56:49 http://mroman.ch/testmoo/api/H/default meep :) 12:57:16 As for GNOME/ELF, I don't know if they're related or whether GNOME predates widespread ELF-on-Linux, but it certainly doesn't predate ELF itself. 12:58:07 fizzie: I see 12:58:16 Also I didn't know it no longer stands for "GNU Network Object Model Environment" at all, like it used to. 12:58:42 I'm young enough that I don't remember that, I'm quite sure that the first linux I installed already used elf, by far. 12:59:01 fizzie: GCC has been reacronymmed too 12:59:16 it's now "GNU compiler collection" instead of "GNU C compiler" 12:59:37 That I did know about. Makes sense. 12:59:51 As far as I can tell, GNOME no longer stands for anything. 12:59:52 because it compiles other languages too 13:00:14 ais523: yes, and it's even written in C++ now 13:00:23 or a mix of C and C++ 13:00:35 but it was renamed before 13:00:46 it's been compiling C++ and fortran and objective C and ada for quite a long time 13:01:13 though I always installed it without most of the extra languages, enabling only C, C++, and sometimes fortran 13:01:27 I don't need to compile the rest 13:05:43 Linux is still capable of running a.out programs with an extra module loaded 13:06:57 and, presumably, libc…3? installed 13:07:02 FreeFull: yes, the kernel is, but you need an a.out libc and possibly other a.out libraries 13:07:05 I know we're on libc6 atm 13:07:05 which you don't usually have 13:07:52 Yeah, you'd need those 13:10:47 ``curl -i -v -X POST -d 'code=iooo' http://mroman.ch/testmoo/api/deadfish/default 13:10:48 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `curl: not found 13:10:52 pff 13:11:02 `run curl -i -v -X POST -d 'code=iooo' http://mroman.ch/testmoo/api/deadfish/default 13:11:03 * About to connect() to proxy 127.0.0.1 port 3128 (#0) \ * Trying 127.0.0.1... \ Failed to connect to socket 2. \ % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current \ Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed \ 13:11:31 ``history | grep wget 13:11:32 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `history: not found 13:12:02 `run curl -X POST -d 'code=iooo' http://mroman.ch/testmoo/api/deadfish/default 13:12:03 Failed to connect to socket 2. \ \ curl: (52) Empty reply from server 13:12:11 :( 13:14:31 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:14:35 ais523: I think http://www.mezzacotta.net/magic/goldfish/ is somewhat similar to those strange small M:tG formats we were discussing. 13:14:52 that link goes to mezzacotta, and so is probably worth clicking on 13:15:25 b_jonas: this reminds me, there's a thread on Wizard's forums somewhere about the largest finite combo in magic 13:15:30 and those forums are going to shut down soon 13:15:39 ais523: yes, it's linked from the IWC news snippet right now 13:16:06 it uses Knuth up-arrow notation 13:16:10 ais523: yes, the forum will be shut down. that's a bit sad. apparently they're going to delete the whole thing, rather than make it unwritable except for admins. 13:16:22 http://community.wizards.com/content/forum-topic/2820281 13:16:47 ais523: that's probably big, yes 13:17:47 wget doesn't work either on hackego 13:18:12 wait, no 13:18:19 that thread has smaller numbers than I remember 13:18:25 though I think you'll need a very specific definition for "infinite combo" for this, and that definition would be difficult because of underspecified rules and computability bounds 13:18:56 ais523: I'm not saying because of the threads, it's just that I think a large finite combo in M:tG can probably be very large. 13:19:20 it's just that you rarely need to set up such a thing, because "small" finite combos or infinite combos are usually sufficient 13:20:41 aha: this is what really sparked it off: http://www.soniccenter.org/sm/mtg/megacombo.html 13:20:50 and this is the resulting forum thread: http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/2230096 13:21:43 I mean, attacking with 1000 4/5 green elf warrior tokens is enough, I don't generally need more. Or spending exactly 100 mana for Helix Pinnacle, and then surviving till next upkeep with like a dozen expensive defensive spells. 13:22:09 And infinite combos are generally easier to set up than such big finite combos. 13:22:31 oh good, they migrated to mtgsalvation: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/615089-most-turn-1-damage-in-a-deck-with-no-infinite 13:22:41 (mostly relevant because that's a forum that /isn't/ going to go down in a few weeks) 13:23:41 ais523: hmm, can you use a combo for that that creates infinite mana, if you're very careful that the cards can't convert it to infinite damage to the opponent? 13:24:22 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * DewiIoan * New user account 13:24:28 b_jonas: you probably /could/ but it'd be less efficient because it reduces the number of things that you can use to add on exponents 13:24:37 I do not have a good feeling about that username 13:24:41 but let's see what it does first 13:24:51 (if anything) 13:25:23 ais523: no, I mean, you might need lots of mana (at least lots of colorless mana, or mana of some color(s)), and it can be easier to get infinite mana than to get a thousand mana sometimes; 13:25:36 though with some combos, you can regain more and more mana as you continue, so you might not need it. 13:25:52 -!- ais523 has quit. 13:26:06 [wiki] [[Talk:True]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44567&oldid=30804 * DewiIoan * (+213) 13:28:52 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:28:58 ais523: hmm wait 13:29:06 I don't see how this goldfish draft can work: 13:29:15 it points out that "Note also that many times your deck will be unimaginably large, containing many powers of ten worth of basic lands to support engines that draw ridiculous amounts of cards." 13:29:41 can't you sometimes set up a simple combo that deals one damage for each basic land in your deck, minus a few? 13:30:20 oh, maybe that would count as an infinite combo 13:31:02 b_jonas: I think it counts as an infinite combo, yes 13:31:11 "could have performed", you could have put more lands in 13:33:54 yes, but that's an action you perform during deck building, not during the game. you also could have drafted other cards. 13:34:29 So I'm not sure it's in scope for that rule. 13:40:19 b_jonas: hmm, many of these maximum non-infinite combos use different /colours/ of mana to give themselves higher numbers 13:40:25 e.g. can convert red mana to green hyperexponentially 13:40:46 ais523: nice 13:43:10 if I played my elf deck against a goldfish with the deck ordered, then it could go singly exponential, though I'd probably have to modify it if I wanted it to be more effective in this kind of thing 13:44:41 hmm, ok, maybe it couldn't go exponential 13:44:46 I'd have to modify it a bit for that 13:46:50 hmm, one of the largest three-card combos available here is apparently casting twinflame on as many targets as possible, then redirecting all the targets onto doubling season 13:47:05 that's… scary 13:47:25 yes it is 13:47:56 why do you need to redirect? isn't there something that copies the spell for each available target? 13:48:05 oh, maybe that's what you mean 13:59:56 hmm... 14:01:04 oh that would be infinite 14:04:09 and that other combo is only exponential 14:04:18 hmm wait 14:04:27 I should try to make something faster growing than just exponential 14:04:40 oh, it would be double exponential 14:04:43 but not better than that 14:08:26 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:12:14 -!- nooga_ has joined. 14:13:22 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:14:10 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:14:52 b_jonas: haha, I've now reached the stage of the chronology of this thing where they'd run out of colours and were using /snow/ mana 14:15:42 and they're now using right-arrow notation rather than up-arrow notation 14:16:20 what's \A in regexes? 14:16:34 -!- ais523 has quit. 14:16:39 ais523: is it possible to use copies of Rings of Brighthearth rather than copies of Doubling Season? 14:16:45 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:16:47 mroman_: anchor to beginning of input string 14:16:48 ais523: is it possible to use copies of Rings of Brighthearth rather than copies of Doubling Season? 14:16:59 mroman: beginning of the string, even if ^ is redefined 14:17:11 see "man perlrebackslash 14:17:12 you can redefine ^ o_O 14:17:13 " 14:17:17 mroman_: to match newlines and the like 14:17:40 ah. right. 14:17:41 thx 14:23:34 ais523: and yes, up arrow notation can describe "small" combos, eg. you'd use N up arrows to describe a combo using N+O(1) resources such that each of them can be be spent on doubling your amount of the next resouce; for things like doubling the same resource with itself such as with Doubling Season, you need right arrow notation or some other Ackerman function. 14:23:44 hmm no wait 14:23:46 I'm getting that wrong 14:23:55 up arrow notation is enough for such a big combo 14:24:01 argh these big numbers always confuse me 14:25:57 -!- danofthedeep has joined. 14:29:12 -!- TieSoul has joined. 14:30:35 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 14:38:19 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:45:29 Does anyone know if there is a way in gdb to set the ulimits for the process you debug? I can't set it before starting gdb, because then gdb fails 14:45:54 I guess I could patch in a call to setrlimit() or whatever in the debugged program, but surely there has to be a better way? 15:04:58 -!- nooga_ has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 15:10:08 I REALLY need to become less absent-minded 15:10:14 Very nearly lost my new laptop 15:10:20 Because I left it at a bus stop 15:10:30