< 1442707284 757791 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442707728 505880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : \oren\: I think it has to be both computer-readable AND human (non-advanced-programmer) readable <-- my prejudices say this is a contradiction unless you want to _severely_ shrink the customer base. < 1442707762 701980 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite < 1442707764 918603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although perhaps magic players are already all nerdy enough to reach that level < 1442707768 758642 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMP is fairly easy to read < 1442707772 767072 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very good though < 1442707817 949931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why I suggested something a bit different! < 1442707865 765243 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38ppaviliœrjan[1]! < 1442707875 278808 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1442707875 456836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 3h 59m 49s ago: aubergine+unconditional fork. (first argument=target of first process, second=target of second?) < 1442707918 17293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bevingly < 1442708817 627730 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FLEMISH CHICKEN < 1442709065 316235 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442709144 712996 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1442709830 651959 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442709897 111857 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1442710198 963147 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442710305 253079 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PART :#esoteric < 1442710498 445340 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442711511 791002 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'd definitely call {1,2} + 3 unconventional notation. < 1442711525 935849 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, but isn't 3 = {3}? < 1442711528 39846 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the sort of thing you use if you want to be understood without having to explain yourself. < 1442711531 937617 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1442711535 842249 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 is a number, {3} is a set. < 1442711536 571703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1442711540 458154 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could've sworn it was < 1442711541 613642 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1442711543 645095 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is < 1442711559 476929 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{2}+{2}={4} < 1442711563 417494 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's right < 1442711624 960319 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd still consider that non-standard notation. < 1442711649 278558 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm reading a math paper, and it says "For all sets X and Y of integers, X + Y is ...", I'm going to be confused. < 1442711675 581162 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd figure it *probably* means exactly what you've been using it to mean. But I'd be unsure. < 1442712677 460616 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1, 3} + {4, 5} = {5, 7, 6, 8} < 1442712683 655910 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is taht right? < 1442712751 98040 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Technically, yes. But I would order the set properly for OCD purposes. < 1442713066 142880 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then X + Y is simply the image set of the cartesian product of X and Y < 1442713117 134137 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, some would dispute the use of the word "simply" there, but YMMV) < 1442713140 736522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of thing like Ajsone esolang but with RDF instead of JSON. (It has also been done with XML) < 1442713276 446447 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1442715822 705014 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442716461 109606 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D < 1442716476 880282 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442716721 413064 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the impression im not gonna find the philosophers stone here < 1442716865 982026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the "philosopher's stone" exists, so probably you will not find it on here. < 1442716885 514391 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :touche' < 1442716910 324419 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1442716944 42108 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the impresion I won't be able to find someone here who can explain why putrification is such a neccessary part of transmutation < 1442716972 896718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any alchemy, sorry. I doubt most people on here know much about it. < 1442717039 994186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome blurelIse < 1442717040 903950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1442717065 963419 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1442717069 223969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: i get the impression you may be right < 1442717077 764880 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the welcome either way < 1442717099 9612 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted im still interested in coding an esoteric language < 1442717110 481619 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the concept(s) < 1442717125 46168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know any esolang called "philosophers stone" < 1442717157 707933 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, then maybe i'll make one :) < 1442717189 844999 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds way more fun than coding an AI that moves crates < 1442717210 380309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you know the Stoned Philosophers problem? < 1442717236 878313 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. is that the one about the guy who knew the well water would drive everyone crazy? < 1442717330 511571 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if not then no) < 1442717354 907107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not heard of "Stoned Philosophers" problem, so I don't know what it is < 1442717722 986768 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: was that just a cheeky way of asking if i was blazed off my gord, or an actual problem? < 1442718182 879163 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the silverfish are peeking starting to wander around while wondering why I still have the lights on. < 1442718202 765297 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops that sentance got away from me < 1442718307 850232 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsqueezingly. < 1442718352 842874 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you're trying to get ketchup out of a plastic bottle, the typical way to do so is by squeezing the bottle. < 1442718383 680827 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've heard that they make "pourable ketchup" bottles. < 1442718401 821637 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what's different about them, but presumably with those bottles, it's possible to get the ketchup out unsqueezingly. < 1442718439 123629 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw an article on a special new plastic that has a full flip surface < 1442718455 973706 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even glue sticks to the inside of the bottle, it jsut slides off and out < 1442718479 250492 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's neat stuff. < 1442718699 70117 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442719584 143948 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442719753 430607 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1442719770 547640 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1442721068 356887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1442721706 86260 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442721739 229160 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nuclear reactor can transmute one element into another, but it usually is a lighter element thatn you started with < 1442721865 739743 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1442722289 79856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read somewhere that it is very expensive to convert one lead atom into one gold atom, and it is not generally worth it. < 1442722337 94729 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure if youre just pouring a bunch of money into equipment and tech to make it happen < 1442722364 392693 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the knowledge of natural law in doing the process with only tools at hand < 1442722370 636534 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that knowledge is worth every minute < 1442722409 255438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, knowing how it can be done is worth it, I agree. < 1442722423 486236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it isn't generally worth it to actually do such thing especially for large quantities. < 1442722471 119686 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah considering you'd probably have better luck panning in a river getting quantifiable amounts, isn't worth it for the gold < 1442722488 366329 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to say you did it tho <3 < 1442722525 76297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1442722533 536254 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1442722547 679432 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1442722591 122859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to answer the question: Copper, Silver, Gold, and then what comes next? A few people are answer different (and my answer seems to be the uncommon one) although see what you would say too, and then we can make the poll? < 1442722653 545595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Do you have .NSF of Famitracker chiptunes? And, what expansion chip use (if any)? (As far as I know, Famitracker can use only up to one expansion chip per song, but I know that ppMCK is capable of using multiple at once) < 1442722684 813800 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious choice would be platinum < 1442722701 431744 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on context < 1442722744 666242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is many people's answer, but my answer was roentgenium < 1442722767 891641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that the question gives no context as that is how it is supposed to work.) < 1442722806 986963 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :profane explanation would be that its ascending in value, or worth in reward < 1442722834 922859 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume your answer is provisional to having a periodic table on hand < 1442722895 714544 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Patashu: Do you have .NSF of Famitracker chiptunes?" Yes, lots. "And, what expansion chip use (if any)?" I personally use VRC6 and MMC5 and rarely N163, but I have ftms/nsfs from other people for everything else. "(As far as I know, Famitracker can use only up to one expansion chip per song, but I know that ppMCK is capable of using multiple at once)" Actually, you can use all six < 1442722896 172367 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :expansion chips in a song in vanilla Famitracker, what you CAN'T do is create that file using only in-program means, you have to hex edit to set all the flags (or use a branch of Famitracker such as 0CC-Famitracker) < 1442722925 468942 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: As an example, I always provide nsfs of my songs I upload to soundcloud.com/patashu . If you need an nsf with a specific other expansion chip, let me know and I'll dig < 1442722964 363110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need ones with specific expansion chips (I can easily find or make them myself if I need them); I only wanted to know what you had < 1442722978 408042 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it < 1442723109 799513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see the .NSFs I made too if you want to, although I use ppMCK. I have not provided renders. < 1442723280 51339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a lot of Deadfish implementations, but none in TECO yet, nor in QUACKVM, or various other stuff < 1442723743 340548 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442723743 945522 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think how to prove that there exist at least two groups. < 1442723747 659141 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a toughie. < 1442723794 854884 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :old orange and apples metaphor not working? < 1442723796 694000 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1442723814 953466 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I think I'm going to temporarily give up on this and go for something easier. < 1442723822 151 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely: proving that there exist at least two sets. < 1442723858 424540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you prove it by exhibiting instances? < 1442723858 945051 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442723989 611577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also do not see a implementation of Deadfish in LLVM < 1442724015 199667 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if I can prove that the instances are different. < 1442724024 372927 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, say, prove that {} is not {x}. < 1442724035 367178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Well, yes, you must prove that of course. < 1442724058 760556 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I really mean, though, is that there exist at least two sets, up to bijection. < 1442724068 636629 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this means I must prove that there is no bijection between {} and {x}. < 1442724088 686041 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm platinum has a current market value slightly lower than gold < 1442724184 149852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: O, I don't keep track of what are current market value of platinum and gold and so on. I just know that in Dungeons&Dragons game 3.5 edition, a platinum coin is worth ten times as much as a gold coin < 1442724214 153852 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're eleven times as heavy hth. < 1442724246 820897 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's kind of cute how in the United States, just like in D&D, there are "copper", "silver", and "gold" coins, each worth ten times as much as the last. < 1442724265 334509 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Namely, the penny, the dime, and the dollar.) < 1442724267 325901 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :current platinum price per troy oz is 981 USD, gold is 1139 USD < 1442724282 654519 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dollar coins only exist in Canada not US hth < 1442724293 328655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have used such analogy to describe to some people, the penny, dime, and loonie (in Canadian money, that is!) in term of Dungeons&Dragons game < 1442724362 504821 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: crap, that means the US Mint has been scamming us! < 1442724399 28904 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to think I once handed them twenty dollars in exchange for twenty of their so-called "dollar coins"! < 1442724412 943376 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. I swear, heads will roll. < 1442724414 573434 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wat < 1442724465 905696 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have dollar coins too < 1442724472 123575 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they arent really gold < 1442724481 972650 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pennies arent actually copper < 1442724488 477161 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nickel isnt nickel < 1442724497 959783 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dimes aren't really made of dime. I mean, of silver. < 1442724500 121685 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually theres probably more nickel in us pennies than copper < 1442724514 508479 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quraters havent been real silver int he US since 1971 < 1442724556 753373 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to buy precious metals professionally (fun fact) < 1442724591 158467 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the platinum thing, i mentioned reward, as in after an album goes gold, it goes platinum < 1442724651 303503 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another fun fact: napoleon gave all his dinner guests gold utensils, but his were not. Can you guess what his were made of? < 1442724692 949478 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Canadian dimes were made of silver until the 1920s < 1442724700 772559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were they aluminum? < 1442724711 783469 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get 5 internetz < 1442724741 444573 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aluminum used to be far more valuable than gold, and rarer too < 1442724744 169085 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, 1960's < 1442724753 314561 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we learned how to make it < 1442724815 146083 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you sent that homeless guy you always see with his huge shopping cart full of cans back to napoleon times, he'd be a king < 1442724856 407181 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you can still get 1 oz silver, gold, and platinum coins < 1442724968 235711 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a Canadian silver 5-dollar coin which in 1 oz of 99.99% silver < 1442725193 395900 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what. they have a palladium coin too. wtf is palladium good for? < 1442725280 387558 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :craeting a monetary value out of an imaginary idea, then selling it to the establishments for 1.5 dollars per dollar to give to thier people < 1442725762 534972 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What features does IRC need? < 1442725835 349743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think IRC has a good set of features, although some servers do not implement some, or add their own too < 1442725955 707977 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1442726063 681793 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic translation between languages < 1442727066 854839 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: Realistic features xD < 1442727124 486915 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye, they said the same thing to the wright brothers < 1442727680 791460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: The Wright Brothers were trying to make a thing not fall as fast as normal. You're suggesting I take two incompatible ways of representing information and convert between them freely. Not just two, but thousands. < 1442727780 709577 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I make a LISP-like language? < 1442727789 4821 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly one with R-like features? < 1442727793 318656 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps? < 1442727806 285478 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should you paint an albatross? < 1442727833 994713 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm not a very good painter and have no interest in improving in that area < 1442727836 944254 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I go to bed now? < 1442727840 296621 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should good night, everyone? < 1442727854 211339 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1442727858 741981 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you actually going to bed? < 1442727863 799291 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confus < 1442727877 341144 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see all these language packs install with software, always wonder why they cant just cross reference all fo them using a deep search algorhithm and make auto tranlates happen < 1442727901 219488 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like that "translate this page" button in chrome < 1442727911 355466 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: Because whatever you just talked about is unreliable < 1442727928 323645 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why cant i just click "translate this" and get a semi close translation in irc < 1442727947 910132 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt have to be totally accurate, just knowing an idea of what someone is saying helps if youre a human < 1442727951 93293 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone could make a client that does < 1442727953 384100 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "translate this page" requires a connection to google translate. This is fine in browsers, where you generally need internet to be viewing a page. But in an offline program... not so much < 1442727969 506846 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using the google translate API, before you ask, costs money < 1442727996 870058 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah a bot could do all that < 1442728021 300238 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could, but it would cost a bunch of money < 1442728023 353608 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if someone wrote a simple word-for-word translation tool < 1442728023 913316 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but itd be a nice feature in chats/social place < 1442728045 285030 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: That's impossible. Your grasp of linguistics seems to be lacking. < 1442728065 985055 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you translate Hebrew et? < 1442728066 960787 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: a lookup table is impossibe < 1442728069 54600 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1442728072 308124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm under the impression it's like an ;s < 1442728073 931753 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s < 1442728080 48540 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: It would be, but then again, you're using this to communicate with someone who lives in practically another world. < 1442728083 783384 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, alot of languages have context and tone involved < 1442728094 356689 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true < 1442728095 445672 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in chinese the same word for aunt is also donkey depending on the tone < 1442728115 341728 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make some high-level sexpr-based language for fun < 1442728121 77550 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically my own lispy language < 1442728131 606000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, how do you translate this word? http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/4933/meaning-of-et%D7%90%D7%AA-and-vet%D7%95%D6%B0%D7%90%D6%B5%D6%A5%D7%AA-in-genesis-11 < 1442728161 393648 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, an inaacurate, semi simple word for word, based on "alphabetical order" language packs would be sufficient < 1442728197 333623 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just grab those english-spanish dictionaries < 1442728204 128791 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get for alot of languages < 1442728204 714484 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: But word-for-word is impossible. And how would you translate German to English? In german, it's impossible to list all the words < 1442728221 221711 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I'm saying is, the tool would read in そのビルは高い and wirte out [that][building][about][tall] < 1442728230 723624 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure theres a german to english dictionary that would suffice < 1442728260 347604 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurelIse: But that would be inelegant! In german, you can just /make up/ words! < 1442728264 428545 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :literlly each word would be looked up and swapped for the closest word in target language tih no reordering < 1442728281 15280 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all logistics aside, just wanted to stress it is realistic, would jsut require an immense effort < 1442728295 318957 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in german, you can /split words in fucking half/ < 1442728295 503893 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldnt care about inelegance < 1442728315 838586 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you handle that without an uber-complex special case? < 1442728331 607056 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, and do you ignore untranslatable words? < 1442728340 551844 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hebrew's et is just a grammatical marker or something < 1442728352 826240 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can probably ignore it if you throw out grammar, I _think_ < 1442728353 668216 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone said to me in german that they liked long walks on teh beach, and a translator told me, long walks liked sausages to beach on, it would be far more useful than not understanding a single word < 1442728358 792414 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either ignore or leave them in place < 1442728445 852610 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for languages which have the same word order roughly, this would work very well in practical cases < 1442728518 801759 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. Je ne t'aime pas -> I not you like < 1442728611 496755 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way, an imperfect translation is better than having no translation available offline < 1442728658 702819 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you could store a table of the top 10000 words in the top 10 languages in basically no space. < 1442728688 818996 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. maybe the distrbiution would be 1 megabyte? < 1442728735 340476 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that order anyway < 1442728754 63156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I implement phase of moon and astrological sun sign (which includes equinoxes and solstices) in TeX? I already have a lot of other stuff including Easter calculation, leap year calculation, Discordian calendar, etc, but not that yet! < 1442728811 509868 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe use kepler's laws plus a table of anomalies? < 1442728829 672227 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since the orbit drift slightly over time) < 1442728884 931191 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have a set of orbital parameters for each decade or maybe century < 1442728999 381025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully a precision of quarter-hours should be sufficient, if it is not necessary to print the exact times < 1442729289 430989 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just port the J2000 database into TeX hth < 1442729596 959191 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I add to my lispy language? < 1442729599 45281 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OO definitely < 1442729990 650749 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442730033 895823 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1442730479 362802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the way to do this ephemeris stuff in TeX (because I have not decide what seem best way), but I have done a lot of other stuff with TeX including parsing algebraic chess notation and Forsyth-Edwards notation and making chess diagram from them, and also a ASCII PBM parser, and POSTNET barcode generator. But, the other thing I do not have is TeX program to generate QR codes < 1442730562 917390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe a postprocessor could be used to generate QR codes, possibly < 1442730820 976110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the AWK code of Deadfish is not quite the shortest one; the shortest code is actually APLBAONWSJAS. < 1442731103 637004 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-117-239.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442731369 550528 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ther < 1442731370 493815 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1442731380 237976 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm implementing LISP with data structures < 1442731876 537147 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-88-216.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442733057 22862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442733246 140633 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442733656 754460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Translate's "instant" mode (where it OCRs text from the live camera feed, translates it, and replaces it in the original image) works offline, with a language pack taking (IIRC) just a single-digit amount of megabytes. < 1442733685 692422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's (mostly) word-for-word, although a lot smarter than a single dictionary. < 1442733752 854576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Translate mobile app also lets you download packs for "proper" offline translation, but those are in the order of hundreds of megs.) < 1442734354 457650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hizzie < 1442734489 289009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoochaf. < 1442736037 420847 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442736468 380258 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442737459 127994 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442738404 173203 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1442741238 545725 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442742113 839740 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1442742573 182943 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442742890 945665 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1442742993 470670 :TieSoul!~quassel@2a02:a448:4a62:0:548d:2bb6:e105:b48e JOIN :#esoteric < 1442743765 492352 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:cd63:5a07:c3bf:979b JOIN :#esoteric < 1442743765 706516 :bender|!~benderx2@2404:e800:e61a:41d:cd63:5a07:c3bf:979b QUIT :Changing host < 1442743765 706591 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442748566 384605 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442750636 408934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442752783 858683 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1442754382 402575 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442755071 626903 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442755456 435901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442755998 36062 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442756372 700695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1442757912 411875 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442758733 441595 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442758968 406561 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442759779 732384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442759847 167423 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his523 < 1442760620 732773 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1442760666 924454 :bender|!~benderx2@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442762197 391986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode    < 1442762198 306693 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2009 THIN SPACE] [U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE] < 1442762886 366042 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1442762887 698598 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sth/"sth" is short for "something that hibernates". < 1442762903 844609 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1442762986 299266 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably wrong < 1442762997 118742 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff that helps? < 1442763061 699527 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, as opposed to happy to help, sad to help? < 1442763283 331416 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1442763363 20113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1442763592 946431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442764012 71015 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolsner. nothing is wrong in the Wisdom. < 1442764060 735728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom < 1442764061 732827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and uh that other one? it started with like, an ø? < 1442764117 979869 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ørjan < 1442764118 761654 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers. < 1442764134 784663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lie is that he publishes papers hth < 1442764139 896920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he used to, though < 1442764146 765415 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1442764151 829712 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh < 1442764162 33182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the past is a time, so that counts as sometime < 1442764187 945938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but "publishes" is present tense, checkmate olsner < 1442764220 927224 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* it was present tense at the time < 1442764272 911835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no one said wisdom isn't _sometimes_ factually accurate. < 1442764419 570435 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves the smell of Wisdom in the morning
< 1442764444 522074 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fart < 1442764445 91945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fart? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1442764457 215758 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wisdom is not a smell, and it is not morning < 1442764467 453074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : another fun fact: napoleon gave all his dinner guests gold utensils, but his were not. Can you guess what his were made of? <-- this is eerily close to, but somehow disturbingly off from wikipedia's version < 1442764469 97228 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? what fart < 1442764469 741075 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fart? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1442764504 672834 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: fwiw, roses aren't a smell either, and people still talk about the smell of roses. < 1442764542 854487 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: golden? < 1442764561 127207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're still maintaining ayacc, you haven't disowned it, right? < 1442764570 414799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, i didn't react to that part < 1442764573 101868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quick google suggests aluminum < 1442764576 928186 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there remains five minutes of morning. < 1442764601 506062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not disowned, just I'm not working on it right now < 1442764606 418358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll come back to it some time later < 1442764611 128130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that it wasn't _the_ napoleon, and he wasn't the _only_ one who got aluminium. < 1442764613 864518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone else wants to take over maintenance meanwhile, I wouldn't object < 1442764614 409139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hmm, was that back when aluminum was more expensive than gold, or later when it was manufanctured for cheap with electrolysis? < 1442764621 808822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh, you saved some morning for later? that's good planning < 1442764641 209678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that napoleon III wasn't a cool guy by himself. < 1442764680 246084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf you probably don't want to know more about rnz, but if you do, see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Rnz < 1442764680 424016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1442764683 253978 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, and no, I won't take over maintenance, but I might try it out some time < 1442764685 864186 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, regarding "sometimes", http://starslip.chainsawsuit.com/starslip/night-shift-crisis/ seems relevant. < 1442764710 812333 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(coincidence) < 1442764995 796497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Should you paint an albatross? <-- no. it'll just get annoyed and possibly attack you hth < 1442765023 385742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you might accidentally kill it and get a curse. < 1442765149 411145 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :albatrosses cause curses? < 1442765169 359062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was common knowledge. < 1442765179 814344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing them, that is. < 1442765190 236573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a crazy idea. Suppose in a D&D-like universe, a very rich sorcerer wants to occasionally travel very fast between his two lairs, but hates teleportation. Maybe he wants to break the speed record for a challenge. < 1442765234 973707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: now i'm reminded of niven's puppeteers < 1442765254 219751 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could he build a long road made of alternating cells of four different materials, then shapechange cyclically to four different exotic monsters, each of which can reside in only one (or at most two) of the four materials, and get shunted to the next cell each time. < 1442765311 325887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking the four materials could be: lava (or permanent magical fire), solid stone or earth, water (or water with acid), and a very narrow passage of air in a wall of force (or of iron or leveledgium); < 1442765346 102493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the four forms are xorn (in stone), fire elemental (in lava), shark (in water, or acid-breathing shark in acid water), and eg. lizard (in the narrow passage). < 1442765369 606490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each time he transforms, he'd get instantly shunted to the closest space the new form can reside, which would be the next cell. < 1442765387 800531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The narrow tunnel would need to be barred on the two ends by the same wall of force so that the lava and water can't get in of course. < 1442765408 62570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps by small pieces of stone or something. < 1442765418 983017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds eminently practical hth < 1442765450 812454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shunting would deal lots of damage to the sorcerer, and though it could perhaps be reduced somewhat, it probably can't be prevented completely. < 1442765494 314274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, he'd have to be VERY rich to build such a road, because the cells have to be thicker than they are long, and the cells have to be long so he can traverse fast, because he travels about one cell per round or something not much than that. < 1442765499 832863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's a known trick using turn order where you get a bunch of commoners to stand in a line, and delay their turns so that they all happen in sequence along the line < 1442765517 101040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get them to hand an object to each other in turn, and get it from one end to the other in just six seconds < 1442765531 706686 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :commoner SIMD? < 1442765534 147780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, doesn't picking up the object take an action? < 1442765535 223915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1442765536 6157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1442765539 763534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they each take an action in sequence < 1442765543 528329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can reduce the number of commoners required by getting them to jog (i.e. single-move) as one action, then hand the object over as the other < 1442765550 341289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can space them 30 feet apart < 1442765561 901466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice idea < 1442765565 38604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't mine < 1442765568 212591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the D&D version of a bucket brigade < 1442765571 441283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the common name is the "commoner railgun" < 1442765595 944600 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what would be the point? < 1442765625 367951 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442765626 223792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: this is repeatable each turn, so it could carry a lot of material on a line quickly < 1442765639 772991 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1442765643 790104 :x1365C!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 NICK :x10A94 < 1442765643 989961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :about one carrying capacity of the weakest commoner per round or so < 1442765667 362210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even kill them, unlike how the damage kills the sorcerer < 1442765673 76464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it gets an object from one place to another at arbitrarily high speeds < 1442765686 413061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it completes the movement in six seconds regardless of the distance travelled < 1442765714 38 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, could the sorcerer get temporary invincibility, take all the damage, then quickly get healed to above zero from any amount of damage? If so, would this require very evil acts, like virgin sacrifices? < 1442765719 886639 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what next, a commoner-based esoteric language? < 1442765731 190394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: we call those cellular automata < 1442765746 414836 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would require more complex rules for the commoners... < 1442765764 406345 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: are you sure you're on the right channel if you ask questions like “what would be the point”? < 1442765769 788824 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose :) < 1442765815 483728 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cellular automata commoners... could get quite gory for some CAs (and patterns) < 1442765872 51607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if you're allowed to rely on typos in the manual, you can heal someone to 1hp from arbitrary HP values (including negative) via holding their head underwater for two rounds, then casting cure minor wounds on the third < 1442765878 904224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming they don't hold their breath) < 1442765990 86325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, right < 1442766052 267276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manual says "sets hp to 0" rather than "reduces hp to 0" < 1442766076 775316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the water is conveniently in the channel, though he'd need some way to get healed up from unconsciousness afterwards, without a risk that his trusted lieutenant doesn't “forget” to heal him < 1442766125 114661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1442766127 598645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't need that < 1442766145 768125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he's temporarily indestructible to survive the damage anyway < 1442766158 426272 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can just wait as a human in water to get 0 hp, then quaff a potion < 1442766169 811462 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1442766180 33869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there's still the question of how he gets temporary invincibility < 1442766197 973252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep it while polymorphed < 1442766281 528077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can combine a spell and feat to get immunity to HP death < 1442766284 388798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus the question of building the road. < 1442766286 665918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the spell expires < 1442766296 426000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does that work even shapechanged? < 1442766305 337818 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442766306 946256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1442766314 820053 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's the same person who casts both shapechange and that spell on himself? < 1442766364 236037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried because Szabó Magda: ''Tündér Lala'' features fairies that are specifically immortal, but are mortal if they magically shapechange to an ordinary animal such as a dog. < 1442766414 876917 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, even in nethack, many boss monsters lose most of their special properties while polymorphed. < 1442766468 141987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, is that a spell a wizard can cast? or divine-only? < 1442766498 295424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, I don't know < 1442766501 335073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the details < 1442766517 45935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my players pulled it off against me in a game where the players were encouraged to break the rules < 1442766526 160048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not break < 1442766527 899608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exploit < 1442766544 420827 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1442766679 120172 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442766724 262889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1442766897 599941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also worried about polymorph because such a thing could require you to be in the form of some particular unusual monster, such as a plant or something. < 1442766936 143264 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and you probably want to get immune to dying from both nonpositive HP and from suffering too much damage in a turn. < 1442766976 760859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, massive damage rule < 1442766985 232704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most groups pretend that one doesn't exist < 1442766988 944582 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, this whole thing is probably more difficult to pull off than a combo that just lets you increase your normal run or flight or swim speed without a cap. < 1442767009 673692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or that it exists only for damage from particular sources, such as critical hits from an attack. < 1442767022 140889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or damage from the same one commander. < 1442767033 37632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's a M:tG rule, not a D&D rule < 1442767041 159009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1442767108 809680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said a D&D-like world. It could be a roguelike or something, though the narrow tunnel thing might not work in a roguelike that insists on every creature fitting the same size of square. < 1442767285 644289 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of the Esolang „Befunge“ < 1442767364 996584 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-150-160.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1442767412 647336 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442767515 84023 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: have you ever heard of our Lord fungot? < 1442767540 444604 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-165-010.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1442767547 229075 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where's fungot when you need him?) < 1442767576 715995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's swimming with the fnords < 1442767655 140682 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1442767679 809870 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Probably not yet < 1442767753 207238 :Melvar``!~melvar@dslb-088-078-248-074.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1442767865 303517 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-150-160.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442767873 777705 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: meanwhile, you're either Albanian, Bulgarian, Czech, Estonian, German, Icelandic, Macedonian, Romanian, Serbian, Slovak or Slovene. < 1442767880 398581 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably German, population-wise. < 1442767885 271391 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :German < 1442767894 116325 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistics ♥ < 1442767988 211164 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it generally sunny or rainy where you live? < 1442768587 125289 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how do you come to this conclusion? < 1442768790 410743 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: quotation marks :D < 1442768801 240240 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1442768824 584328 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would never type them, though < 1442768891 139411 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«»“”‘’ are readily available on the layout I use, but I can't type the low marks. < 1442768944 937489 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am using a software keyboard most of the time < 1442768967 938228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«»¢“”nµæßðđŋħĸł@łe¶ŧ←↓→øþ<>©‘’NºÆ§ÐªŊĦ&ŁΩŁE®Ŧ¥↑ıØÞ < 1442768977 290670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, /that/'s where ↑ went < 1442769263 876175 :Melvar``!~melvar@dslb-088-078-248-074.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar < 1442769267 662214 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ­ < 1442769268 505427 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+00AD SOFT HYPHEN] < 1442769296 321221 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-078-248-074.088.078.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1442769413 947251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I assume you have a box of invisible characters that need sorting? < 1442769473 270838 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the japanese ﾊﾝｶｸ mode, < 1442769536 298657 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` ﾄ ' ﾊ ‘ ﾄ ’ ﾆ ﾅﾙ < 1442769537 44353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1442769724 551899 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happens in the canadian keyboard mode < 1442769859 960482 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: apparently I can type soft hyphens. < 1442769862 566701 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok that is weird. ? -> É, 'a -> à, |\ -> <>, [a -> â < 1442769876 320317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's the keybind? < 1442769895 439516 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: how come is it weird? it's the layout I use. < 1442769916 842219 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ISO level 5 + Shift + /. < 1442769921 305955 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird because it doesn't match the keytop labels < 1442769934 90766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode < 1442769934 846428 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1442769938 247844 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how it got installed < 1442769949 319180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: apparently I don't have the same keyboard layout as you < 1442769960 863516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or AltGr does something different from ISO level 5 < 1442769970 151862 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AltGr is level 3 I think? < 1442770048 921091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, could be < 1442770072 702760 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: there are two layouts in use in Québec: Canadien Français and Canadien Multilingue. both have éÉ instead of /?, but they differ mainly on the dead keys and pre-composed accented letters. < 1442770111 296233 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have US and canadian multilunual < 1442770125 609154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1442770142 214537 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I have 5 different Japanese modes < 1442770151 7127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what? I type “„”‘’»« too < 1442770181 312900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and …– as well < 1442770191 694421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added them to my keyboard layout because I need them often < 1442770247 406224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should also add à and the other non-obscure French accented characters too, probably to capslock-control-letters if my keyboard can handle capslock-control-shift-letter together. < 1442770251 329251 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In hankaku katakana mode､ I can type english by starting with a cpaital letter < 1442770274 265367 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some keyboards can't handle capslock-shift-backtick but mine is better. < 1442770283 361997 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I remapped Caps to Escape. much more confortable for vim sessions. < 1442770303 148381 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a vim pedal < 1442770313 871065 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@173-164-145-244-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442770323 298671 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have lots of symbols available thru my IME ,､，”“゛″〝＂〟 < 1442770338 678949 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/alevchuk/vim-clutch < 1442770341 184540 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Let'sせえ。。。Nope.Itをrks、利ghtウンチLityペ亜S波C絵。NotQ浮いて失せ付ぇ、意F酔う湾Tmyおぴにおん。 < 1442770342 680665 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i so like the idea < 1442770387 973511 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to be in hankaku katakana mode I think. < 1442770394 89648 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I like entering きごう, then mashing the space bar to get all kinds of funky Unicode tidbits. < 1442770441 162485 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: bwah ah ah! < 1442770476 203002 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's awesome < 1442770476 381138 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442770497 62143 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus there's some other characters I should add too < 1442770528 298068 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442770603 720643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :⦃⟦⦇⟪«»⟫⦈⟧⦄ < 1442770622 959423 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget why I have bindings for these < 1442770625 44990 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh characters that aren't in my fon!?!?! < 1442770639 439457 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go add them! < 1442770641 879621 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ⦃⟦⦇ < 1442770642 950963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2983 LEFT WHITE CURLY BRACKET \ UTF-8: e2 a6 83 UTF-16BE: 2983 Decimal: ⦃ \ ⦃ \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored \ \ U+27E6 MATHEMATICAL LEFT WHITE SQUARE BRACKET \ UTF-8: e2 9f a6 UTF-16BE: 27e6 Decimal: ⟦ \ ⟦ \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1442770659 817913 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ⦃⦇ < 1442770660 995214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2983 LEFT WHITE CURLY BRACKET \ UTF-8: e2 a6 83 UTF-16BE: 2983 Decimal: ⦃ \ ⦃ \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored \ \ U+2987 Z NOTATION LEFT IMAGE BRACKET \ UTF-8: e2 a6 87 UTF-16BE: 2987 Decimal: ⦇ \ ⦇ \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Charac < 1442770683 496026 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing that < 1442770738 368366 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually I plan to move my prject off fontstruct so I can add Chinese characters. (Fontstruct doesn't support Chinese) < 1442770738 998423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably àèìòù to capslock-control-aeiou, âêîôû to capslock-control-áéíóú (that's easy to remember), plus äëïçœæßåø somewhere < 1442770762 978851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the uppercase versions of all but eszett to capslock-control-shift same letter < 1442770808 623999 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: shouldn't it be easier to put ^, ¨ and ` on a dead key? < 1442770811 134106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, perhaps the circumfletted letters not on those places < 1442770814 613728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no! < 1442770818 459090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dead keys < 1442770823 980828 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not doing necromancy < 1442770824 890859 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a capital eszett < 1442770843 906466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes, but it's not something I need frequently. there's also a low-single-9 quotation mark < 1442770856 611332 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves his magical mapole around and try to zombify b_jonas' keyboard
< 1442770865 358583 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in my font ẞ < 1442770866 601293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and single > and < quotation marks < 1442770870 682777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet I don't have those in my mapping < 1442771013 515490 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not have a shift key you can hold down, type "o and get ö < 1442771047 415192 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words a key that merges all the characters you type until you release it < 1442771074 106824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: nope, that could trigger during normal typing, < 1442771082 692992 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also is hard to type because " requires holding down shift < 1442771096 337754 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö is Shift + ¨, release, then o. < 1442771098 584065 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then use some other key < 1442771118 716276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I don't release a key before I press the next key, I want both of them to register. this isn't a calculator, it's a real computer keyboard where I want to type fast. < 1442771133 53341 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: REVOLTING CHICKEN < 1442771135 644476 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like maybe that stupid menu button windows keyboards have? < 1442771139 241834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the modifier keys should work otherwise < 1442771173 227802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: those could work, but I'm using caps-lock as a fourth modifier anyway, and I don't want to add a fifth, at least not for typing (as opposed to eg. window manager shortcuts) < 1442771209 462784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus I don't like those keys, because I like normal 101-key AT keyboards that don't have it, and want to be compatible with them. < 1442771423 289697 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :㊤ < 1442771441 780885 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that character for < 1442771490 226320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I believe it's for annotating ancient Chinese text for study by ancient Japanese to show the word order it would be read if it had Japanese grammar. < 1442771529 344067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or backwards or something < 1442771553 24893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: let me find a reference < 1442771611 793245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furigana#Kunten < 1442771689 730831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanbun < 1442771749 278595 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap. those unicode guys... I don't even... < 1442771776 505207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that might be a different character though. they weren't circled, and somehow I don't think Japanese people would circle a kanji < 1442771780 525417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : /last chaf < 1442771788 142603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might be for some different thing < 1442771812 303903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: ㊤ _is_ a redirect to Kanbun in en.wikipedia though < 1442771839 34541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1442771852 123544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: see https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%86%96 < 1442771891 105973 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: wiktionary documents a lot of obscure kanji < 1442771896 881700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and similar symbols < 1442772219 747631 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9B%B2%E3%81%BF%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97 < 1442772422 684724 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently circled letters are used for elements, and the kanji are used for bases and positions in baseball < 1442772462 965149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: heheh < 1442772475 149139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinds of "elements" < 1442772537 46186 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :〇ｃis apparently "cupper" < 1442772546 401077 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they mean copper < 1442772628 188981 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ㊥ is midfielder or whatever < 1442772707 995499 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm oh wait they use SQUARES for the baseball stuff < 1442772721 888652 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which requires the astral plane < 1442772971 57515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: heh < 1442773728 990972 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, anybody know a good bitmap font editor? < 1442773840 851597 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442774782 932639 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh!!! If you convert a ttf to bdf with fontforge, then open the bdf, fontforge's glyph editor is suddently in a "bitmap mode"! < 1442774801 574858 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok well fuck fontstruct then < 1442774836 22348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yay < 1442774895 93653 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can start adding wide characters and Chinese! hehehehehehe < 1442775129 680246 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442775376 299841 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442775862 646193 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@173-164-145-244-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442776356 901605 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442777084 40518 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many ideographs are there in the main CJK block? < 1442777169 890244 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20,950. holy fucking shit that would take a long time < 1442777189 971004 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll start with just the Joyo kanji < 1442777214 723489 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and katakana and hiragana < 1442777253 402835 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442777687 841532 :blurelIse!~bluelse@c-67-168-205-81.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1442777815 147975 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442778125 89690 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, designing a font? < 1442778132 633870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what reason? < 1442778196 937739 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442778331 793483 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1442778342 7134 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause it's awesome < 1442778434 792570 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok now this is a problem. I can convert ttf to a bdf, but I can't seem to convert back to a tff < 1442778441 268111 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/tff/ttf/ < 1442778515 430318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want to convert it back to a TTF format? < 1442778565 694001 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To install it? < 1442778613 418157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can install bitmap fonts on your computer though < 1442778636 361508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you need to print, they should be good enough for most purposes < 1442778677 360257 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need ttf < 1442778686 383710 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows only supports ttf < 1442778705 698051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Windows supports bitmap fonts < 1442778718 577242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although using a different format than UNIX) < 1442778788 47139 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442778841 348143 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter what I do, fontforge's saved ttf file is "not a valid font file" according to windows < 1442778930 655537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if it has Windows bitmap font format. If not, you could also try OpenType if it has it; Windows supports that too, I think < 1442778954 423942 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows switched to OTF quite a while ago for their standard fonts. < 1442779045 607130 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otf isn't working, the generated font shows all blank glyphs < 1442779084 179469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try Windows bitmap font format (I think it is .FON but I am not sure) < 1442779435 567665 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1442779479 473371 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh i see, fontforge doesn't have the ability to trace a bitmap into a vector font at all. < 1442779509 2254 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi guys < 1442779515 864988 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1442779614 696440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O so that is why it does not work. You must use an external program (unless it supports Windows bitmap font formats) < 1442779665 207503 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, S1! Haven't seen you around here before! < 1442779674 130452 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be blind thenü < 1442779675 794675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think it had some integration to some external tool. < 1442779696 632083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I made a .ttf out of a bitmap font somehow. < 1442779707 547052 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: First visit two years ago, last visit on friday ;) I am hkgit03 sometimes. < 1442779708 864042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the rfk86 font. < 1442779713 706918 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: It's possible we're in incompatible timezones uasually < 1442779728 508098 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*usually < 1442779759 306945 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Don't you at least remember me as hkgit03? I was here quite often this week. < 1442779795 950040 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Don't remember an hkgit03. Probably just time zone issues < 1442779806 419009 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what'd make it easier to learn Lambda Calculus and the SKI Combinator Calculus? < 1442779844 386470 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda/SKI Combinator Arithmetic. < 1442779849 602630 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Algebra < 1442779858 894194 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: No, you were here too, I know that. < 1442779864 319772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like I just wrote a piece of Perl to generate a .svg font out of the bitmaps, and then used some tool on that. < 1442779885 357073 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, you wouldn't have to dive into a complex, foriegn system immediately. You could just start with the basics. < 1442779900 549278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you add my Robot find kitten implementation into the list? < 1442779936 821071 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to help me figure out a Lambda Arithmetic? < 1442779973 280325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You'll need to contact rfk@robotfindskitten.org for that, I don't have anything to do with the website. < 1442780030 308796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm only responsible for the zem.fi/rfk86 site.) < 1442780191 458497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have email < 1442780268 363357 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Wut. < 1442780273 1977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they allegedly have an office in Los Angeles, if that helps. < 1442780285 115047 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why do you not have email? < 1442780285 555717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that, I don't know of any ways to contact them. < 1442780292 342219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't live in Los Angeles < 1442780330 812740 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is setting off alarms in my head. < 1442780333 640031 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1442780342 299939 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi mauris < 1442780353 434797 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hppavilion[1]! < 1442780361 366756 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are things < 1442780375 496422 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found out zzo38 doesn't have email and now every alarm in my head is simultaneously going off < 1442780400 488734 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very loud. I am in horrible pain right now. < 1442780480 578741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: In other news, I'm attempting to invent " < 1442780481 20566 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ-Arithmetic", which is basically supposed to make is easier to learn the λ-Calculus by starting with something everyone knows. < 1442780499 438256 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, following the same path you took to learn normal math. < 1442780555 873201 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first, I have to figure out the λ-Calculus xD < 1442780559 567605 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still barely understand it < 1442780594 714893 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty easy, really < 1442780596 293934 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even after having learned a bit of Haskell < 1442780612 814272 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I know, I just don't have the vocabulary and didn't think to look things up last time < 1442780633 744844 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like two relevant rules in untyped lambda cslculus < 1442780640 238818 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1442780657 462315 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do something with it < 1442780662 989831 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might also invent Kleene Arithmetic, which is basically just simplified Regex < 1442780673 700286 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. write a map function for lists in lambda calculus < 1442780691 91991 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The λ-calculus page on Esolangs needs some serious cleaning < 1442780733 851405 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The openning section is far too logn < 1442780737 801791 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*long < 1442780748 226525 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page on wikipedia is good iirc < 1442780751 85173 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b slog n < 1442780765 485128 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like slog. It's my favorite operation < 1442780789 668865 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I can include summation < 1442780792 98567 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite function is the Pi Function < 1442780866 88681 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the notation b log n to log_b(n) < 1442780869 951522 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't < 1442780884 253780 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause that would mean n log n is 1 < 1442780888 732406 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more operationy < 1442780914 285881 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think of log as a binary operation, not a set of functions that you reference with a subscript < 1442780919 342493 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1442780932 65156 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if I were to think of it that way, I'd prefer log[b](n), as that's more pythony < 1442780950 261452 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1442780963 815838 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just spent 5-10 minutes waiting for a lecture on λ-calculus to laod < 1442780971 105660 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only is it not the one I was looking for < 1442780977 408743 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Comic Sans < 1442780977 835827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44284 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+3548) 10Created page with "'''Math++''' is an esoteric programming language by SuperJedi224, defined by [http://pastebin.com/mnxZk1cz this java implementation.] All '''Math++''' variables are 64-bit IE..." < 1442781033 602315 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442781116 11366 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44285&oldid=44284 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+287) 10 < 1442781154 259706 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-88-216.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442781161 994468 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44286&oldid=44285 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+64) 10/* Sample Programs */ < 1442781178 657152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44287&oldid=44286 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+4) 10/* Sample Programs */ < 1442781252 871651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], 5-10 minutes? From what service is that? < 1442781261 927268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds terrible < 1442781268 784459 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Alaska Internet. And I think it was a big document < 1442781289 393522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], ah. I was about to ask if you were on ISS or something yeah < 1442781292 979238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that explains it < 1442781293 808088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Alaska Internet isn't the name of the service, "Alaska" is just a descriptor of what kind of Internet it is) < 1442781321 436459 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-88-216.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1442781323 665241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I'm on Swedish internet, so that just seemed plain wrong to me < 1442781328 303288 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-88-216.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1442781342 543520 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The service I'm using is GCI, which is the fastest available internet in the state (or at least in Anchorage). I used to have a 1mb/s connection, but we switched to the one other available service.) < 1442781366 799535 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], so now you have how much instead? < 1442781375 733680 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GCI is actually evil. They only deliver ~1/2 the speed they promise, but that speed is 8x better than the alternative) < 1442781379 491910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I have 250 down, 10 up < 1442781395 639604 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe GCI promises 16mb/s < 1442781397 206071 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I actually get pretty close to that < 1442781398 572016 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442781413 354504 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRR I can't find an option to just use the pixels' outlines instead of trying to smooth it < 1442781436 653781 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get 8 mb/s? < 1442781440 705521 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just waiting for the day when Free High-speed WiFi is declared a basic human right < 1442781443 663114 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's poor < 1442781445 951130 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I believe it's about that < 1442781451 83988 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fast enough for me xD < 1442781468 500144 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ it's 8mb/s, but I don't manage it < 1442781471 587195 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], I get about 240 mbit/s down < 1442781475 624475 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be off by an order of magnitude < 1442781477 536660 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44288&oldid=43888 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+13) 10 < 1442781478 311680 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I pay for 250 < 1442781479 255759 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go do a speedtest now < 1442781481 747627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that seems reasonable < 1442781512 801390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK "fibre" (optical to some point, but generally VDSL for the last bit, at least in older places) nominal speeds are pretty weird, it's either 38/9.5 (down/up), or 76/19. < 1442781513 844098 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 10 mbit/s up and getting about 8 mbit/s up actually is a bit more annoying < 1442781520 604707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes forever to upload any large file < 1442781533 866815 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes those are weird < 1442781534 395120 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ping: 9ms < 1442781545 380380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've occasionally wondered whether they actually configure it 40/10 and 80/20, and just use a bit lower figures to avoid the usual "nobody actually gets the nominal speed" issues. < 1442781546 499036 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], well that is good at least < 1442781556 349684 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down: 50 mbits/s < 1442781565 367169 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? not too bad < 1442781569 815191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44289&oldid=44287 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+52) 10/* Sample Programs */ < 1442781573 102741 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up: ~2 mbits/s < 1442781578 960966 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely upload things thoguh < 1442781584 39052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], shouldn't be that bad then < 1442781591 236248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, the "standard" Finnish VDSL (download) speeds were 10, 50 and 100, so I'm not sure why they went with 40/80 here. < 1442781597 368088 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really only GitHub and the lightweight uploading associated with fora usage and such < 1442781638 313318 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44290&oldid=44289 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+5) 10/* Using the Map */ < 1442781647 360293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have email with Free Geek but now they have disabled the ability to login with SSH so now I cannot access it anymore (I don't know if possibly my account is deleted too) < 1442781680 763289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the 80/20 hypothesis seems to be true: the VDSL2 modem reports nominal payload rates of 79999/19999 kbps. < 1442781718 354273 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you a security nut? < 1442781719 632053 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1442781739 258109 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am, but only to the extent of browser extensions, firefox, and Duck Duck Go) < 1442781783 486804 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Wait, don't you have your own website? Couldn't you set up an SMTP server on that? < 1442781826 281867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're not interested in answers, you could send email even without that. < 1442781828 80279 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], that is what I do, run SMTP + IMAP I mean < 1442781845 908588 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: True < 1442781858 769244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still have a gmail, but I'm fazing it out < 1442781870 799835 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the word is "phasing" < 1442781879 205430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right < 1442781879 815479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could run my own SMTP server and I have done that occasionally before, mainly in order to receive message only sometimes and then cancel the daemon after message is received, therefore no spam messages are possible < 1442781925 827483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I try to send message to other SMTP server they tell me that it is graylisted and won't sent < 1442781938 841388 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Fair enough. You could, of course, use 10-minute-mail to get RFK over to the people you're getting it to < 1442781939 100791 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that was one way I guess. I create a new alias for each web site I register with, that way I can trace who I started getting spam via and just delete that alias < 1442781939 526773 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1442781953 870611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get around graylisting by just retrying, without having to do anything special. < 1442781963 952645 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, really? < 1442781975 470644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I did read the instructions and that is what it says, so I did try that, but it did not seem to work. < 1442781976 82554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, that's what graylisting is. < 1442781988 19623 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not "getting around" anything, it's how greylisting is supposed to work < 1442781995 488000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1442782004 432142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does gray listing work? < 1442782013 119547 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why would you be hit by it? < 1442782018 150108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant there's no reason to have a server do it, it should be quite doable manually. < 1442782034 131420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it just reports a temporary delivery failure to the submitting server; the server is supposed to try again later < 1442782037 620829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sites graylist everything, so just not having sent them any mail before could be a sufficient reason. < 1442782044 788798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, ah < 1442782062 811713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the idea is that most spammers don't actually run servers; they just dump their payload and move on. < 1442782066 164930 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, seems it would slow down mail delivery, which could be annoying < 1442782079 186029 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: I'm making a set of Semi-Esoteric VMs < 1442782081 752098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Only for the first message from an unknown sending server. < 1442782083 898301 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any ideas? < 1442782087 267757 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently have: < 1442782099 543722 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442782101 305703 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* IndeterminantVM: Variable-length instructions < 1442782102 314059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (But it does introduce delays, that can be sometimes -- but rarely -- long.) < 1442782107 833480 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ThueVM: String-based < 1442782113 681481 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* GreekVM: Geometry-based < 1442782125 574815 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :By VM you mean? < 1442782143 557027 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ArbourVM: Registries lie on a tree < 1442782149 308629 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM as in Virtual Machine. Like the JVM < 1442782161 412761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I set up SMTP server and then disable some names when they are receive it, can still cause spam message to be received, they will still send it because the server is still reachable. You have to disable the SMTP server entirely to stop receiving spam messages < 1442782168 557950 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call them interpreters < 1442782212 224462 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm how does one set up for example postfix to do gray listing I wonder < 1442782212 438638 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: But it runs bytecode, so it's closer to a VM than a traditional interpreter (like the python interpreter) < 1442782234 227801 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, technically, an interpreter though. Then again, so is a computer. < 1442782238 864616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], um. Python runs byte code < 1442782248 571650 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Right, right. Forgot about that < 1442782250 443700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], what do you think the .pyc files are? < 1442782253 999182 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Then you have to write a specification for bytecode first. Where is that? < 1442782255 501105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: postfwd + postgrey is I think a relatively common combination -- both are tools external to Postfix. < 1442782260 280545 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I forgot about those < 1442782262 923517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1442782283 698822 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/TaurusVM/tree/master/docs < 1442782293 395094 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where I'm gathering the Bytecodes < 1442782293 665604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], the only pure interpreter I can think of atm is probably bash. Perl also does byte code internally for example iirc < 1442782307 554401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fairly certain ruby does too < 1442782313 961010 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WalScript (my own language) is a pure interpreter < 1442782332 625670 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's actually more than one VM gathered into the same Repo. They all have different properties for different ideas < 1442782336 390816 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1442782345 756989 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't dig through code now < 1442782346 100516 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What don't you get? < 1442782349 837866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (First one is for configuring rules more flexibly than standard Postfix allows, and the second one is a greylisting tool. I don't think there's any reason why postgrey alone wouldn't suffice.) < 1442782350 769707 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't code < 1442782356 913129 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's documentation < 1442782370 11039 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I see < 1442782378 154829 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sounds annoying to configure though < 1442782381 350143 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Here's the documentation for the instructions: https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/TaurusVM/blob/master/docs/IndeterminantVM/setdocs.txt < 1442782405 731866 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it might be confusing if you don't read this first: https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/TaurusVM/blob/master/docs/IndeterminantVM/fileformat.md < 1442782405 909798 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like BANCStar < 1442782434 742796 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: It does, because BANCStar is practically a machine language < 1442782447 459806 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does ISA mean in this context? < 1442782463 112117 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You aren't meant to write TaurusVM codes directly, you write assembly and the (to-be-developed) Assembler converts it to TaurusVM < 1442782473 610413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A little, yes. They both hook up to the Postfix "policy server" mechanism, and I think postgrey's pretty good with working out-of-the-box (and included in Debian repositories). I ran it as a test, and it seemed to work, but I get so little mail at my own domain, it didn't seem worth it. < 1442782474 626597 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISA = Instruction Set Architecture < 1442782515 763283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think greylisting works better on a server that receives large volumes of email, anyway, because then you'll have the greylisting decisions for the majority of sending mail servers "normal people" use cached all the time. < 1442782550 353259 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. It's quite an easy spec. < 1442782561 257940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1442782630 506519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The mail forwarding service I use does a DNS blacklist check and then graylists all mail that comes from blacklisted addresses; that seems like a pretty good combination to not avoid the greylisting delays, and still survive from blacklist mistakes. < 1442782663 880028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mail forwarding? I thought you ran your own? < 1442782679 33721 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: So you're converting several esolangs into your bytecode and then have that one VM? Cause you said "semi-esoteric VMs" (plural) < 1442782687 789765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I run my own for zem.fi, but that's not my "real" email address. < 1442782711 270022 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Basically, I have more than one VM (each with its own name) that are all under the umbrella of TaurusVM. < 1442782719 365940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I see < 1442782744 181275 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A .taurus file (which is a TaurusVM executable) begins with a null-terminated ID string that tells the main executer which "sub-VM" the file uses < 1442782757 833404 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: So what are those other VMs doing? Translating esolangs into bytecode which then is interpreted by TaurusVM? < 1442782759 894309 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main executer then passes the rest of the file to that executer < 1442782773 41735 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Sub-VM. What the heck < 1442782776 105929 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: I'm not translating Esolangs into Bytecode (well, I can) < 1442782786 322074 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sub-VM" is just a term because it's weird the way I did it < 1442782790 43077 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1442782796 658855 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThueVM, GreekVM, and IndeterminantVM are all different VMs < 1442782799 535287 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: What is that bytecode spec for then? < 1442782813 209028 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: That spec is for one of the VMs. < 1442782822 485382 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IndeterminantVM. < 1442782822 702456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The "real" one is an for an email forwarding service from a Finnish "internet activists" organization, pointed at whatever ISP mailbox seems to be handy. Ridiculously enough, I've still got it pointed at our Finnish ISP's email servers, because the Internet connection there is part of the apartment maintenance fees now, and we still own the place in Finland. < 1442782833 299293 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IndVM uses variable-length arguments < 1442782857 156866 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: And what does get translated into that bytecode? You just said you're not translating esolangs. So what then? < 1442782866 227185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I should probably check the generated-by-default mailbox at the UK ISP some day. I'm sure there's some random promotional mail from the ISP or something in there. < 1442782889 194877 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Well, the thing that gets translated into Bytecode is an assembly language. Which is, truth be told, a bit of an esolang. < 1442782927 23281 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what does all that have to do with esolangs? < 1442782929 406221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1442782931 385075 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Esolang /can/ be translated into Assembly (or directly to a TVM VM), but that's not the main goal of this project < 1442782938 432783 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Well, the VMs are esoteric < 1442782942 514245 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1442782951 545596 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in what? < 1442782965 565717 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently? Prototyped in Python. Later? C or C++ < 1442782984 646606 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way you explain all this sure is esoteric, alright < 1442782988 124092 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1442782991 70614 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bad at explaining < 1442783009 166323 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1442783031 573421 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442783034 645493 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me start over. < 1442783045 814460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to compose in a separate document then send it here. < 1442783048 803545 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're translating an asm lang into bytecode which then is run by one of several sub-VMs... < 1442783054 252726 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds terrific, thx < 1442783171 727184 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1442783235 633931 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TaurusVM is not actually a single VM (virtual machine). It is a collection of Semi-Esoteric virtual machines, each of which runs bytecode programs. < 1442783236 41622 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main VM under TVM (TaurusVM) is called "IndeterminantVM", and uses variable-length arguments through a process that need not be explained here. < 1442783236 219676 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A TaurusVM executable (.taurus, specifically. .tau is different) is composed of an ID string (a null-terminated string explaining to the main executer which VM to use) followed by a flat binary. < 1442783261 933192 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: I can't tell if "That sounds terrific, thx" is sarcasm. < 1442783320 336266 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, no. A composed separate document would be more lovely than some bad explanation < 1442783330 22328 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I'm working on it < 1442783343 671705 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though the last three lines of yours where more understandable than before) < 1442783367 290196 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1442783533 958878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any idea how hard/easy it would be to set up saned and cups for sharing a multi function printer from a RPi? < 1442783550 731315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf\0++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. < 1442783557 12964 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for some reason this seems like the kind of thing you would do < 1442783652 818850 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: 8 < 1442783683 796716 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. < 1442783687 679843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​& < 1442783698 127599 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks similar < 1442783720 595806 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I counted ten too few, I think < 1442783734 439306 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. < 1442783735 318362 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​& < 1442783736 908392 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1442783799 28498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make the UNIX printer driver to just send the printout to a directory on the HTTP server in an encrypted format, and to be able to receive it with a DOS program and send it to the printer? < 1442783817 120828 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes. < 1442783834 250399 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, this seems like a silly thing to do, but knowing you you have a weird setup that requires this. And yes, probably < 1442783864 207131 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :print to PDF and then get it over smbfs, (by DOS I assume you actually mean Windows) < 1442783879 132287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean DOS and not Windows. Also, I want PCL and not PDF < 1442783881 682712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then presumably print it again on Windows < 1442783887 127996 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I have no idea < 1442783898 82023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can already generate PCL though) < 1442783905 82683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the printer accepts PCL) < 1442783907 786478 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd really like to see zzo38's setup < 1442783937 414934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you program it to do that so that the lp program will store the print jobs it receives by stdin into there and then treat it like normal print jobs otherwise except not send to printer? < 1442784081 880861 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442784120 274132 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1442784211 524376 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: There. The README is up-to-date and documents languages that will run on it. < 1442784232 369524 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: link again pls < 1442784237 833828 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442784260 264429 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :plskthx < 1442784261 253625 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ZodiacWorkingGroup/TaurusVM/ < 1442784262 877393 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. I still can't generate a ttf that windows thinks is valid < 1442784274 170158 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now adding a section on the assemblers < 1442784376 723476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1442784452 844945 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, oerjan! < 1442784477 669990 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get why several VMs are necessary but I guess questioning specs is pointless in the esolang community < 1442784556 524674 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we typing English into Japanese IMEs? < 1442784583 991667 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Multiple VMs are not necessary, but it's more fun to make more than one < 1442784590 351891 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :more esoteric < 1442784593 450684 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :イ’m権あぎヴぇてゃtあｔｒｙ。 < 1442784611 998162 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't put them all together into a single VM, as some have features that conflict with othres < 1442784613 868233 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :湯p、ティspろづせs染pれtty院テレs珍gレスltsイfイs田rtウィthあぉゑr嘉瀬ぇってｒ。 < 1442784622 304613 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Which are those features? < 1442784628 627994 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ow. < 1442784638 83989 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I start with an uppercase letter, on the other hand, everything is fine. < 1442784645 634132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up the VM too because I wanted to make some game program with a sufficiently simple VM that does not require any proprietary software, therefore I dod < 1442784654 955667 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: For example, all the registry manipulation in IndeterminantVM would collide with ThueVM's stringiness < 1442784686 867299 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did. It was pretty good. I don't understand it. < 1442784694 538592 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exactly is registry defined here? < 1442784697 118334 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: stランゲly、手ぇれ背絵ms戸部亜ぉT御Fカタカナ追うT付Tby酔うRIME. < 1442784698 321121 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't run on Windows, because Termios < 1442784702 896362 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :鋼の錬金術師 < 1442784716 717604 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just typed "hagane" and it suggested that completion. < 1442784718 946201 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is awesome. < 1442784726 110443 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's beautiful. < 1442784736 884579 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Registries are 64-bit... things that store integers, floating point, characters, or whatever else you think up < 1442784740 221391 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do, of course, know what 鋼の錬金術師 means. < 1442784740 750346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: That implementation may not; it would be possible to make a different implementation for Windows though < 1442784750 730076 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Of course < 1442784753 410152 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: not at all. google translating it. < 1442784766 682039 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what I'm looking at < 1442784777 439698 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Program symbols in general, I presume < 1442784787 936720 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :NB: it gives you the English title instead of a literal translation of the Japanese title. < 1442784788 419304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the feat for Dungeons&Dragons game it requires Open Minded, but taking this new feat and permanently losing a spell slot to earn more skill points. How many skill points would be the fair amount (in exchange for a feat and spell slot)? Currently I wrote 6 + slot level. < 1442784795 279613 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just see a box with 4 zeroes. My font doesn't support it xD < 1442784798 52697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Open Minded gives you 5 skill points) < 1442784798 956020 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ha ha ha! < 1442784819 215734 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Program symbols in general what, you presume? < 1442784855 279118 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: What you call registries seem to be... containers for program symbols < 1442784865 295832 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: like variables, functions, constants < 1442784871 432794 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Basically, yes. < 1442784889 103569 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a python programmer, so I don't understand low-level stuff very well xD < 1442784894 533955 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lel < 1442784904 149988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you should learn the low-level stuff too < 1442784939 872656 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing about low-level stuff can save you from making things too complicated once in a while < 1442785080 103317 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta go. I have a very important thing to finish until months end. See ya < 1442785098 710182 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92AA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: We are the revolutionaries < 1442785105 724007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to play a Dungeons&Dragons game? < 1442785170 460785 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1442785183 140965 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add a function to dump the contents of TaurusVM to a file? < 1442785193 28566 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly make it an instruction? < 1442785217 333369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you find it useful for debugging or to make save file then you might do so < 1442785239 574787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1442785277 100461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442785511 730306 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442785727 731627 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know what I want to do though xD < 1442785763 459979 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, in theory, make a DUMP and a RETRIEVE instruction, which dump the VM's content to a file and get it from the file, respectively < 1442786443 834024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: hi < 1442786452 291131 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1442786467 681792 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing example programs for Thube ("TOO-bee") < 1442786503 768659 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! YEEEEEESSSSSSSS < 1442786518 265509 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figuerd it out < 1442786545 422370 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First of all, boily was right, ttf doesn't work well anymore < 1442786553 239613 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be an otf < 1442786592 748290 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second, I have to enlarge the font to 320 pixels tall, THEN vectorize it < 1442786600 751738 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kkeps it pixelated < 1442786700 493583 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this process is still much faster than the Flash-web-app -> fonforge to correct errors process < 1442786721 10698 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy to kkep your font working! < 1442786732 368073 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DECONSTRUCTOR CHICKEN < 1442786768 665371 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I can add any alphabet in unicode to my font, rather than just those supported by a web app from 2006 < 1442786806 695416 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1442786894 677345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44291&oldid=44233 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1298) 10Examples < 1442786983 158192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i forgot to tell you that there's already a language called "Thubi", with the exact same pronunciation. < 1442786993 475555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44292&oldid=44291 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+6) 10Fixed code (forgot some spaces) < 1442786996 217484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi tswett) < 1442787005 954460 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Awesome! More confusion! < 1442787096 739282 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is the article for the programming language Thubi. Not to be confused with the programming language Thubi." < 1442787180 233536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: not same spelling hth < 1442787231 142191 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1442787323 880115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Thube involve tubes twh and possibly give a bilingual pun < 1442787402 415305 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1442787429 676959 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ohio. < 1442787455 467910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thue is a norwegian surname with pretentious Th spelling; tube is a word in norwegian and english, although the meanings are slightly different but overlapping.) < 1442787498 256986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44293&oldid=44292 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+34) 10biguated it < 1442787515 242914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the norwegian word means mostly a container, not the other english meanings. i guess it was borrowed. < 1442787549 998882 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44294&oldid=44293 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+2) 10corrected it < 1442787554 721294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given it was patented in the US < 1442787558 584346 :mauris_!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1442787588 432301 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. The spec for Thubi isn't very well written. < 1442787592 29227 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you correct something incorrectly, you have rrected it < 1442787632 385450 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrected comes from Latin rrectare, whence also rekt comes. < 1442787727 472664 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :related by indo-european roots to the germanic English word "wreck" < 1442787777 314871 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44295&oldid=44294 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1375) 10Badly-done Syntax documentation (next step: Libraries) < 1442787804 102028 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Oh. Sorry. Didn't realize you edited it < 1442787863 144235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44296&oldid=44295 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+70) 10Example of subprograms < 1442788090 425917 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I did was add a biguation < 1442788129 761118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :such bigotry < 1442788146 676282 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had added it to the other page, it would have been a beguation. < 1442788152 353362 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such hypothetical begotry. < 1442788164 335703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :look what you've begotten < 1442788164 513629 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1442788180 553175 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I haven't forgotten. < 1442788187 841208 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't begat anyone (uh, hopefully, anyway) < 1442788244 383125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigots beget bogus bogeymen < 1442788267 721520 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's let bygones be bygones, and begone. < 1442788348 928671 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44297&oldid=44296 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+616) 10Three libraries (stdio, fileio, socket) < 1442788407 51464 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... < 1442788423 752030 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1442788428 792781 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people are even weirder than my IRL friends. < 1442788430 772682 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1442788449 731523 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol obviously < 1442788483 916152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1442788498 763742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44298&oldid=44297 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+7) 10oerjan should probably read this. < 1442788563 357845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1442788596 606415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except those biguation things should normally be at the top < 1442788636 953904 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be < 1442788639 628787 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shall I move it? < 1442788674 469393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do it and get the formatting right < 1442788723 900950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44299&oldid=44298 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+5) 10fmt, placement < 1442788869 133602 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44300 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+50) 10Created Template < 1442788906 541471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44301&oldid=44299 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-18) 10Made biguation template < 1442788958 454516 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44302&oldid=44300 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+5) 10Fixed template < 1442788977 500079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44303&oldid=44302 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+4) 10Still fixing it < 1442788994 932876 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go! < 1442789030 591032 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44304&oldid=44303 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-4) 10Removed possibly extraneous spaces < 1442789043 461884 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442789044 135170 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done < 1442789048 602652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07StackStacks14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44305&oldid=41842 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+5) 10fmt, placement < 1442789066 172982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I made your thing at the top into a template < 1442789147 565970 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Derivative14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44306 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+50) 10Created Template < 1442789169 257697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Derivative14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44307&oldid=44306 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-2) 10Corrected bold to italics < 1442789199 755378 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Thube14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44308&oldid=44301 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+20) 10Derivative template < 1442789224 273970 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Derivative14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44309&oldid=44307 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1) 10Fixed the link < 1442789235 805487 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There < 1442789239 853462 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we needed that < 1442789254 485524 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now "YetAnotherDerivative" perhaps? < 1442789281 779840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot periods hth < 1442789301 514015 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1442789304 331968 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go add them < 1442789333 986982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure about that Derivative template. < 1442789380 647891 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Redcode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44310&oldid=39363 5* 0368.255.6.120 5* (+1925) 10 < 1442789462 985030 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is it possible to make a template content conditional on whether a certain argument is passed to it? < 1442789546 947388 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could make it so if an argument 2 is given to the Derivative template, it says "This language is a derivative of [[{{{1}}}]] that {{{2}}}." and if it doesn't, it just says "This language is a derivative of [[{{{1}}}]]"? < 1442789550 263862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, but i don't know that much templates < 1442789558 832612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think MediaWiki supports such thing < 1442789569 125386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you probably know < 1442789589 353164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Redcode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44311&oldid=44310 5* 0368.255.6.120 5* (+1) 10 < 1442789622 751171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let me read scrollback < 1442789633 103512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: the normal way to do that is with #if but it isn't implemented < 1442789635 590204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an eso way too < 1442789640 209944 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, i'mma add Canadian Sylabic < 1442789641 152149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION seems to be built upside down today: nose runs, feet smell
< 1442789661 725094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: look at the history of template:qif on Wikipedia (although note that you can't use that code directly because copyright) < 1442789728 83778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: basically, the upshot is a) it's possible, b) it's not /supposed/ to be possible without the ParserFunctions extension, but c) MediaWiki has a higher computational class than most people realies < 1442789730 769039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*realise < 1442789740 75064 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442789748 193615 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just leave the Derivative Template as-is < 1442789767 387566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we have ParserFunctions installed < 1442789768 505806 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it really needs to explain what it does. That's what the immediately following paragraph is for xD < 1442789769 575459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to ruin the fun < 1442789777 530156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: use #if:, then < 1442789789 437420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{#if:|a|b}} is equivalent to b, {{#if:anything|a|b}} is equivalent to a < 1442789796 785660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be enough information to make the template you want < 1442789800 124576 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll remember that for if I aver want to do that < 1442789808 60063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1442789845 360644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:Derivative14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44312&oldid=44309 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1) 10Added a period < 1442789892 81498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Template:ToBeConfused14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44313&oldid=44304 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1) 10Added a period < 1442790112 160938 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1442790217 794074 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized that as far as I've been told, I have never encountered a girl on this channel < 1442790230 469172 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, there are no girls on the internet < 1442790470 483179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has happened. i think there are at least two here now. < 1442790537 381919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be more who choose not to publicize it. < 1442790569 351510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are still most likely a small fraction here. < 1442790573 401337 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Sinatra14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44314 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+118) 10Marked account as dead < 1442790600 392153 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1442790669 464178 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Virgolang14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44315 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+207) 10To IRC! < 1442790735 803914 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhhhh the "there are no girls on the internet" mantra is pretty gross and 4channy < 1442790806 351135 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: All men on the internet are men. All women on the internet are men. All little girls on the internet are FBI agents. Male ones. < 1442790809 406022 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really did "figure it out" as they say, like there is very blatant evidence to the contrary, no matter how narrow you take "the internet" < 1442790825 781982 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 4chan is no longer in power; it's now 8chan < 1442790831 685450 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pronounced "Infinity Chan") < 1442790862 842243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i've managed to completely miss the existence of 8chan < 1442790875 345718 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main thing is, a lot of these spaces are rather uncomfortable for women (could go into it but suffice it to say: things conspire to make them feel unwelcome) so not many are here and those who are, don't like advertizing it much. < 1442790889 78294 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's an issue *here in particular*, but it happens on IRC, sadly. < 1442790906 551823 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear they took 4chan's awful mindset and made it even more terrible & sexist & racist, congratulations 8chan < 1442790976 913090 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd say "there are no girls on the Internet" generally isn't a good thing to say. < 1442790981 992043 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1442791006 488602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: yo that "yoneda lemma" method for proving types equivalent was pretty neat < 1442791027 199038 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of girls on Facebook < 1442791033 536545 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, isn't it! < 1442791036 797131 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it's probably not a huge deal. < 1442791037 917844 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the amount of use is approx. equal, but some communities on the Internet are exceptionally gendered. < 1442791050 99095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i have a vague feeling that it may be a bit under the carpet to actually _prove_ it... < 1442791075 986077 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, how so? < 1442791132 395705 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Math++14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44316&oldid=44290 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+114) 10 < 1442791173 397923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should shut up until i've actually seen the proof (in haskell context) < 1442791268 227585 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record, if it's the thing i asked on SO, it was limited to "proving a type is isomorphic to () if you Yoneda it around a billion times" < 1442791317 884556 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :to show that there's only one value in it. but it probably extends to other type equivalences < 1442791396 812424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mauris: well it's also pretty easy to use it to show e.g. forall a. a -> a -> a ~ Bool, i think < 1442791527 296126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, that's equivalent to forall a. (Bool -> a) -> a < 1442791535 790039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, the lemma. < 1442791624 230997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in fact, you get forall a. a -> a -> f a ~ f Bool < 1442791723 125299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f) < 1442791918 532819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know answer of my question relating to the Dungeons&Dragons game? < 1442791943 576960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the part of the lemma i feel awkward about is showing that the map from f b to forall a. (b -> a) -> f a is onto. < 1442791996 344918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it would require a deeper result about the parametricity of f < 1442792063 640681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra Slot is another feat though < 1442792250 967652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a few things about Yoneda lemma, not a lot < 1442793106 936809 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1442793339 90260 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442793523 90368 :hppavilion[1]!~Devourero@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric