< 1442188829 674842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If even finding a collision with two arbitrary inputs is hard, surely finding a collision with two inputs with a bunch of constraints is harder. < 1442188840 51832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't found the code that actually constructs the fingerprint for a TypeRep ... < 1442188939 107950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Typeable.Internal < 1442189008 409533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean the MD5 code, which is in GHC.Fingerprint. < 1442189070 179995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean the code inside the compiler, which is different but does the same thing. < 1442189110 429334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's mkPolyTyConApp, looks like it takes a list of the fingerprints for TyCon, kinds and type arguments and passes to fingerprintFingerprints < 1442189153 531371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For applications, yes. < 1442189171 543911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be a bug with associativity so now they use a list instead. < 1442189172 256250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm particularly interested in those, since they can be built arbitrarily complex < 1442189200 81006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while a TyCon is sort of limited in information content < 1442189723 3136 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to attempt something that sounds pretty difficult. < 1442189733 425686 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, proving that the infinite cyclic group has at least two elements. < 1442189756 329283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1442189773 829944 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I think that's a little too advanced for where I am right now. Instead, I'll try to prove that the infinite cyclic group is not the trivial group. < 1442189798 38122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good move < 1442189839 55362 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo < 1442190381 343293 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds promising. Now most people, see, they would just blindly start with the singleton group. < 1442190536 436426 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⋄⌷ < 1442190537 298694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+22C4 DIAMOND OPERATOR] [U+2337 APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL SQUISH QUAD] < 1442190665 500 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, I successfully managed to prove a different theorem. < 1442190673 140395 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely: the cyclic group of order 2 has at least two elements. < 1442190737 190161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you use the diamond operator and the APL functional symbol squish quad to denote those two elements? < 1442190742 892504 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1442191708 608958 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorio looks like a nice little df like < 1442191729 145540 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442191749 32010 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's nice about it? < 1442191767 743873 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal is literally to make it boring < 1442191792 349597 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i don't really get that kind of game < 1442191820 412978 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the game is good, it cannot get boring < 1442191830 675942 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :become even < 1442191868 578818 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like Factorio. < 1442191885 39129 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea of the game is that you design stuff and build it. < 1442191906 53986 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: have you ever played df? < 1442191950 320045 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much, like, what I do. < 1442191954 889862 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's df? < 1442191958 130255 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress? < 1442191965 957414 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1442191972 111446 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no < 1442191978 656450 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it < 1442192022 153469 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure why not, it's almost 3am and i just had my 5th coffee < 1442192032 356481 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take tools and figure out how to use them to achieve goals. < 1442192052 798430 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is one of the deepest games out there. sadly it is also one of the most complex ones < 1442192078 735669 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think Mine Tycoon would be a boring game, but it's actually about excavation. < 1442192132 552661 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I'm pretty sure that in tennis, scores of 30–30 and 40–40 are functionally equivalent. < 1442192148 327899 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In either case, the condition for winning is gaining a two-point lead. < 1442192222 228269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Jafet -----### < 1442192279 877660 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone look over Stare and give me suggestions? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Stare < 1442192316 181044 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of suggestions? < 1442192330 853919 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I have to fix something first < 1442192332 520656 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ideas < 1442192339 966513 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :New commands, new syntax possiblities, etc. < 1442192489 653687 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I like it. Consider eliminating unnecessary instructions. < 1442192492 697144 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypnotic dendro-erotic suggestions in order toenslave body and mind < 1442192537 748274 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't want to make it a Turing Tarpit (or Push-Down Automaton Tarpit), I want to make it a useable, but strange, language < 1442192539 46634 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1442192565 302615 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1442192588 783301 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider eliminating relevant instructions then < 1442192608 19868 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, you're missing the bitwise logic operators. < 1442192664 358481 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you really need is either bitwise "and" or bitwise "or"; bitwise "not" is the same as subtracting from -1. Well... that's if you're using two's complement representation. < 1442192739 999889 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can use de Morgan's laws to get the other one. < 1442192747 161353 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you may want to just go ahead and include all three. < 1442192797 870999 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are numbers allowed to be arbitrarily large, or is there a limit to them? < 1442192830 782531 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ⰀⰁⰂⰃⰄⰅⰆⰇⰈⰉⰊⰋⰌⰍⰎⰏ < 1442192858 446872 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44171&oldid=44132 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+304) 10added a push instruction, fixed up the interpreter description. < 1442192886 498156 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ႠႡႢႣႤႥႦႧႨႩႪႫႬႭႮႯ < 1442192889 374352 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ⰀⰁⰂⰃⰄⰅⰆⰇⰈⰉⰊⰋⰌⰍⰎⰏ < 1442192890 194511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2C00 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER AZU] [U+2C01 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER BUKY] [U+2C02 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER VEDE] [U+2C03 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER GLAGOLI] [U+2C04 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER DOBRO] [U+2C05 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER YESTU] [U+2C06 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER ZHIVETE] [U+2C07 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER DZELO] [U+2C08 GLAGOLITIC < 1442192923 652832 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ︘ < 1442192924 788369 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+FE18 PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL RIGHT WHITE LENTICULAR BRAKCET] < 1442192929 334720 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ⰴ = GLAGOLITIC ERECT PENIS < 1442192929 774585 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: The numbers are equivalent to "long"s on the machine on which it was compiled. Or in the case of my implementation, 64-bit integers because I'm using python < 1442192938 946520 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: *nod* < 1442192959 410409 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1442193299 234591 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think I'll make the numbers double-precision floating points < 1442193373 898611 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or in the Python implementation, whatever you call a variable's type in python (as that's how python works)) < 1442193387 658745 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :blarg ? < 1442193413 590757 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Wait, but what if you call PRINT on a noninteger floating point thing? < 1442193418 92895 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what about rounding errors? < 1442193419 626659 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well < 1442193427 18777 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just use 64-bit integers in this < 1442193445 460033 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or 32 if compiled as a 32-bit application) < 1442193450 83405 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ⰴ < 1442193450 812499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2C04 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER DOBRO] < 1442193478 620287 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have been completely surprised if it had been GLAGOLITIC ERECT PENIS. Or, I guess, GLAGOLITIC SYMBOL FOR ERECT PENIS. < 1442193485 339452 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter would be more likely. < 1442193544 879265 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should add Ⰲ and Ⰴ to myndzi < 1442193597 491134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: can you add Ⰲ and Ⰴ twh < 1442193830 571921 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44172&oldid=44171 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1693) 10Clarified the syntax, added text commands and some new command(s). < 1442194059 603624 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1442194059 651277 NAMES :#esoteric < 1442194068 665209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*5f760a3b@*.com/ip.95.118.10.59 > 1442194068 676866 NAMES :#esoteric < 1442194068 844662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric Elite-1 :Hi hagb4rd < 1442194105 506607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me too long to be sure this time... < 1442194114 778122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1442194114 785715 NAMES :#esoteric < 1442194167 316036 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's hagbard? < 1442194214 731376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a troll who has been banned here for years < 1442194218 207527 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone, I have a useful video. < 1442194219 487159 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqEzI9rPvP4 < 1442194220 93113 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1442194301 86475 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1442194311 661532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44173&oldid=44172 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+559) 10Always-executed line type, Hello World. < 1442194334 492071 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an efficient way to find the longest substring that appears more than once in a string? < 1442194360 892325 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Go to stack overflow < 1442194368 918254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: nice top comment < 1442194369 817657 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) Look up that question exactly < 1442194393 419119 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) Find if it's been answered. If not, ask it. Proceed to step 4. If not, continue normally < 1442194402 893418 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/4/5 < 1442194421 80592 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :undo < 1442194440 918942 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Proceed to step 4. If not, continue normally// < 1442194449 577353 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4) Copy code. < 1442194465 145183 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5) Profit (from the royalties from the application you just made) < 1442194482 310439 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was expecting a ??? step < 1442194520 335434 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1442194525 300497 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The process it pretty well-defined < 1442194681 34103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11853668/how-do-i-find-the-largest-sequence-in-a-string-that-is-repeated-at-least-once fwiw < 1442194729 533238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION did steps 1 and 2 in google instead < 1442194734 877617 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i did too < 1442194756 8400 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zkjoqufbixdrjplt JOIN :#esoteric < 1442194797 207464 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44174 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+5133) 10Moved contents of Stare here < 1442194939 537191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44175&oldid=44173 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-4846) 10Changed page to a "list" of dialects < 1442195019 628616 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44176&oldid=44175 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+21) 10Fixed opening text to reflect the page rearrangement < 1442195096 21546 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Stare 1.0 design is complete! < 1442195136 459237 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page may change in the future to clarify the design, but no new features will be added to that page's specification < 1442195187 747001 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stare 2.0 will have support for Functions, libraries, etc. < 1442195192 587452 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stare 3.0 will add OO support < 1442195532 419302 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44177&oldid=44174 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+23) 10Fixed some inconsistencies < 1442195572 571664 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44178&oldid=44177 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+4) 10Linked to the ZWG < 1442195618 810414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: btw we do have a "Move" button in the wiki menu < 1442195620 892898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44179&oldid=44178 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (-6) 10 < 1442195639 42781 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know, but I didn't move the entire page, just most of it < 1442195645 67499 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kept the opening text < 1442195653 339698 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stuff before the Table of Contents < 1442195657 936118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1442195724 742323 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44180&oldid=44179 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+1) 10Grammar < 1442195849 576681 :Elite-1!5f760a3b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.95.118.10.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin\? < 1442195850 131408 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin\?: No such file or directory < 1442195984 233782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1442196026 313001 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1442196026 321497 NAMES :#esoteric < 1442196033 361369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric :+n > 1442196033 370851 NAMES :#esoteric < 1442196040 965132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1442196040 975514 NAMES :#esoteric < 1442196050 217105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sic transit gloria mundi < 1442196093 600171 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1442196096 671259 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any suggestions yet? < 1442196423 390827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44181&oldid=44176 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+258) 10Dialect summary < 1442196478 810183 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thus goes the glory of the world." No, that can't be the right translation. < 1442196529 286474 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, apparently that is, in fact, the right translation. < 1442196537 467987 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except "passes" for "goes" would be better. < 1442196666 643345 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :shikh < 1442196804 36832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Diseases are transmitted through Gloria's mouth." < 1442196844 706437 :shikh!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch < 1442196889 153430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: ars longa, vita brevis: "our long white beards". < 1442196916 612045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I learned both from something that was in Finnish. < 1442196920 190906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44182&oldid=44181 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+881) 10Rearranged article to list upcoming dialects (by type system) < 1442196926 352479 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There < 1442196963 732795 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning for a total of 4 differenent Stare dialects, two statically typed and two dynamic < 1442196970 312605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dumbf*ck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44183&oldid=8347 5* 03108.45.95.33 5* (+181) 10Added info about first implementation < 1442197013 699703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dumbf*ck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44184&oldid=44183 5* 03108.45.95.33 5* (-22) 10 < 1442197067 680492 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Dumbf*ck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44185&oldid=44184 5* 03108.45.95.33 5* (-6) 10/* Implementation */ < 1442197250 845313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44186&oldid=44182 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+559) 10Basic Idea < 1442197278 250420 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may do more Stare dialects in the future < 1442197391 377385 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Haskell's If/Then/Else defined in haskell or is it primative? < 1442197399 591035 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's primitive. < 1442197402 976960 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442197444 378754 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu98k5vVP-Y < 1442197460 829316 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My best guess at a Latin translation for "our long white beards" would be, oh... "nostrae barbae blancae largae". < 1442197465 811537 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When in doubt, append -ae to everything. < 1442197471 3333 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1442197475 428967 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I can see then and else just being an identity function and if being a function that accepts three arguments and returns the second if the first is true, else the third < 1442197501 421233 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making if/then/else a massive lie that is really just there for ease of reading < 1442197520 176341 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perlskell anyone? < 1442197541 997203 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now shipping Perlskell because he is very strange < 1442197570 222062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's see what it is then < 1442197576 649400 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What what is? < 1442197579 872890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :in agda if then else is just a single function because you can have arbitrary fixity for your functions < 1442197580 438369 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perlskell? < 1442197600 201994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1442197602 323857 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442197615 931850 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the syntax is "if x then y else z"; if it were as you said, the syntax would have to be "if x (then y) (else z)". < 1442197617 208900 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like haskell, but with perl's demonic type system < 1442197621 678708 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously < 1442197623 37611 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In perl < 1442197628 768640 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2"+"2" evaluates to 4 < 1442197686 7730 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perlskell: "He was a washed up has-been who was big in the 90's. She was a bookish mathematics professor. Can love bloom? Watch wednesday night at 9!" < 1442197691 544169 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see I have left you in a stunned silence < 1442197707 481794 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Which is which? < 1442197725 652679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much easier to just have then and else be sole inhabitants of the types Then and Else and then have if discard its 2nd and 4th arguments < 1442197727 325291 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously Haskell is female < 1442197741 236678 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you /sure/ < 1442197747 807513 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1442197750 848946 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a minute < 1442197758 294566 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both nonbinary. < 1442197761 692426 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything ending in elle is female. it's like, arule < 1442197766 571881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442197785 27834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was a tradition of having if' x y z = if x then y else z. < 1442197785 656698 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember from when I was learning haskell that else is actually a variable defined to "True" in the standard library! < 1442197789 369916 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arule, the plural of the Italian word "arula". < 1442197790 454869 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is going on!? < 1442197799 600489 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: that was "otherwise". < 1442197825 608936 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Really? < 1442197832 981795 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GT translates "our long white beards" as "longis albis cresceret barba eorum", which I'm sure is wrong. < 1442197834 231444 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could've sworn it was "else"... < 1442197835 639043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src otherwise < 1442197835 819995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise = True < 1442197842 832656 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1442197843 76599 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously, perl is a washed up has-been who was big in the 90's < 1442197845 393154 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src if < 1442197845 574155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Whoa. < 1442197848 97233 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src if' < 1442197848 278078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Have you considered trying to match wits with a rutabaga? < 1442197854 909892 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (+) < 1442197855 89702 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Sorry about this, I know it's a bit silly. < 1442197860 597766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly the if' thing isn't all that widespread. < 1442197867 394392 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (!) < 1442197867 572859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arr@(Array l u _) ! i = unsafeAt arr (index (l,u) i) < 1442197871 422263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I've seen it somewhere, though. < 1442197878 96745 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src fact < 1442197878 662303 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. The more you drive -- the dumber you get. < 1442197887 988108 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src factorial < 1442197888 168832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You type like i drive. < 1442197892 431879 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ? < 1442197892 612733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Abort, Retry, Panic? < 1442197904 480435 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SHOWN ME THAT < 1442197908 620610 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src src < 1442197908 801279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I feel much better now. < 1442197930 421170 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src import < 1442197930 641568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Wrong! You cheating scum! < 1442197932 935837 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src unsafeAt < 1442197933 116637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Maybe you made a typo? < 1442197933 296925 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did in fact get one thing right in my translation attempt. The Latin word for "beards" is "barbae". < 1442197943 838302 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (!) < 1442197944 19222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arr@(Array l u _) ! i = unsafeAt arr (index (l,u) i) < 1442197957 160357 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Peano Axiom for exponentation? < 1442197984 312385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any Peano Axioms for exponentiation? < 1442198010 207641 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't very many Peano axioms, and exponentiation isn't one of them. < 1442198033 71667 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE MUST DISCOVER IT THEN < 1442198046 785739 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm creating a computer language, vaguely like Haskell, in which you can define mathematical stuff. < 1442198056 956356 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the definition of x**y for natural numbers? You are given only the operation S(x) which returns x+1 < 1442198071 208157 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, define multiplication first. < 1442198083 568579 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, define addition first. < 1442198098 261558 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then x**S(y) is x*(x**y) and x**0 is 1. < 1442198113 248853 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My language kind of has a definition of the natural numbers. < 1442198138 421404 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no, now it *does* have a definition of the natural numbers. < 1442198138 602765 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa! /That/'s a mistake! < 1442198154 6123 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck with floating-point! < 1442198157 813908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hofstadter's book "Godel, Escher, Bach" discusses a programming language "BlooP" and "FlooP", with conditions as well as comparing numbers and addition and multiplication, counted loops, and a few others. < 1442198171 230788 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa::f63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+S(y) is S(x)+y and x+0 is x. HTH < 1442198190 87005 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the definition of the natural numbers in my language. < 1442198191 183989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found that you don't need conditions, comparison, addition, or multiplication, and can define all of them in terms of the successor operation and counted loops. < 1442198196 233387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes clearly it is possible to do < 1442198211 897018 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variety NatNumAlgebra { sort Nat; zero : Nat; succ : Nat -> Nat; }; presentation NatNum : NatNumAlgebra { }; < 1442198244 63002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ah, OK. I can see its working I think < 1442198264 984295 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, you define the concept of a "natural number algebra". < 1442198267 831738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I don't know what "presentation" does, as the example given is blank) < 1442198283 785937 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A natural number algebra essentially consists of a set, an element of the set, and a function on the set. < 1442198284 318508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But in this case it looks like OK if blank) < 1442198327 833853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see all of that, yes, it is already clearly enough < 1442198379 39762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have other examples (including some with "presentation" with some stuff inside { } block)? < 1442198382 88921 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you define the natural numbers as being the free natural number algebra generated by no generators. < 1442198397 609719 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sure. Have... the Klein four-group. < 1442198426 617636 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variety Group { algebra : Monoid; inv : Elem -> Elem; forall x : Elem, mult x (inv x) = ident; forall x : Elem, mult (inv x) x = ident; }; < 1442198480 1770 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presentation KleinFourGroup : Group { a : Elem; b : Elem; mult a a = ident; mult b b = ident; mult a b = mult b a } < 1442198509 384447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK now I can see how that works < 1442198559 446249 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see Peano's Axioms extended to defined for all real- or better, all complex- numbers < 1442198571 270708 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: interesting! < 1442198582 27444 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: does the KleinFourGroup sing love songs? < 1442198600 355258 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I haven't worked out the language sufficiently far that it can determine that. < 1442198609 854759 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the path of love is never smooth. < 1442198697 907615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x y z -> if x then y else z < 1442198698 88545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :if' < 1442198701 808284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^ < 1442198727 744479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used there because otherwise @pl wouldn't have anything to return < 1442198733 543363 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> x x < 1442198733 724378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :join id < 1442198749 642174 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x -> x x) (\x -> x x) < 1442198752 782701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap id id (ap id id) < 1442198752 963191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization suspended, use @pl-resume to continue. < 1442198776 922508 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \y -> (\x -> y (x x)) (\x -> y (x x)) < 1442198777 103539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap (. join id) (. join id) < 1442198797 949053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: haskell's if x then y then z is officially syntactic sugar for case x of { True -> y; False -> z } < 1442198818 872508 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad I can't get the type of that expression. < 1442198823 772127 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type ap (. join id) (. join id) < 1442198824 998431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 ~ a0 -> b < 1442198825 179463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: (a0 -> b) -> (a0 -> b) -> b < 1442198825 179538 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: ((a0 -> b) -> b) -> (a0 -> b) -> b < 1442198832 635022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :case is the most primitive pattern matching construct in the report < 1442198873 435261 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1442198893 386931 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, there's a funny thing about varieties and presentations. < 1442198909 488749 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theoretically, presentations are redundant. You could just move all of the things from the presentation into the variety. < 1442198921 510911 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then use the empty presentation to get the thing you wanted. < 1442199011 69973 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442199015 492913 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOME! < 1442199022 285703 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: :D < 1442199026 74550 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where were you? < 1442199031 174147 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you go to NYC two weeks early? < 1442199035 21967 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelloppro! < 1442199039 886202 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I was in Singapore :D < 1442199045 862326 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1442199046 43438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro said 14d 16h 50m 3s ago: http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/mj-reference-wip.pdf < 1442199072 97076 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But presentations are restricted: you can only define nullary operators (that is, constants), not other operators; and identities can't use universal quantification. < 1442199096 287189 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ultimately, a presentation is a specific type of way of extending a variety to get another variety. < 1442199098 952966 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: actually that one's sort of out of date < 1442199113 973602 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided scribus sucked so I've redone the top half in inkscape. Haven't done the table yet though < 1442199140 763724 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*munch*", says I with a Double Big Mac in my mouth. < 1442199170 540263 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what was in Signapore, besides boily? < 1442199176 949591 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, it's kind of interesting what a finitely presented natural number algebra turns out to be. < 1442199177 386975 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vacation? < 1442199212 455236 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@133-171-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1442199214 709069 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely: it's a state machine, where there's a defined initial state, and some states have defined successor states. < 1442199229 995091 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a state doesn't have a defined successor state, it just automatically gets an anonymous successor state. < 1442199240 231623 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible for two different states to have the same successor state. < 1442199257 959349 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no input; the initial state completely determines the sequence of states the machine goes through. < 1442199294 707257 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yup. two weeks over there under the sun, with a weekend spent in Malaysia. < 1442199298 684104 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you're only allowed to define the successor states for finitely many states; otherwise it wouldn't be finitely presented. < 1442199327 243466 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1442199439 652163 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll upload pictures some time this week. < 1442199475 968832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wboily! < 1442199559 201425 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :serjanlamat pagi! < 1442199906 954006 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442200138 837997 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu < 1442200224 423895 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helluppavilion[1] < 1442200228 46617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44187&oldid=44186 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+170) 10Stare 1.1 < 1442200246 448943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZ < 1442200494 190151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Hellu" anything like "Hello"? < 1442200558 759045 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good enough appruximation. < 1442201276 49373 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.114]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44188 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+946) 10Created update log. < 1442201299 963825 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare/1.214]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44189 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+534) 10Created Page (WIP) < 1442201330 940706 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm creating updates more as a symbolic thing than a practical thing xD < 1442201351 114519 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes it is < 1442201358 996310 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi boily! < 1442201397 717415 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, the updates are so that the base isn't too featureful xD < 1442201599 81808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that? < 1442201605 784612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stare14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44190&oldid=44187 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+298) 10Stare 1.2 < 1442201670 380900 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I get factorio? < 1442202323 460548 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LAGGED CHICKEN < 1442202509 621967 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I've already planned out a programming language and 2 updates to it, along with some farther-in-the-future updates for later < 1442202526 491419 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have succeeded < 1442202527 305440 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1442202527 801547 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442202622 769671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say "so that the base isn't too featureful"; are these extensions, or what is it? < 1442204453 304143 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Stare 1.0 is the original language, Stare 1.x languages are upgrades of the language, Stare x.0 is an in-house derivative, and Stare x.y is an upgrade of that in-house derivative < 1442204467 608150 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third Digit Updates are bugfixes < 1442204475 583430 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not to be given a wiki subpage < 1442204685 587859 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :აბგდევზთიკლმნოპჟრსტუფქღყშჩცძწჭხჯჰჱჲჳჴჵჶჷჸჹჺ < 1442204694 104800 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm done georgian < 1442205354 367711 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: OK < 1442205430 995127 :Hoolootwo!~Hoolootwo@d1g1t4l.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1442206445 285113 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info JOIN :#esoteric < 1442206513 107648 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a game in Prolog... < 1442206516 782182 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that possible? < 1442206520 329286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of game? < 1442206524 668759 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1442206528 477391 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't /really/ want to < 1442206538 881942 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want someone to do it and then to get the memory of having done it xD < 1442206543 832377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about Prolog programming. < 1442206549 443767 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't either < 1442206550 974638 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1442206630 979826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to see what you can make with QUACKVM, or a higher level programming language compiler to target it. I would be interested to see what anyone else can do with it. < 1442206878 876002 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a apge for QUACKVM < 1442206882 721291 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1442206898 3034 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how to use QUACK xD < 1442206960 195295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no page in esolang wiki or anywhere else, only a .zip archive containing documentation and C codes and some example programs < 1442207085 421777 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to make a C-Like language for it?? < 1442207114 808636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is a Minesweeper game, Robot find kitten game, a start of a Panel de pon puzzle mode game, a Munching squares demo, and a few other small examples.) < 1442207146 9321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used the assembly language, although you might prefer other kind of programming languages < 1442207325 41905 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How do I run a program?? < 1442207328 60434 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need I compile first? < 1442207355 754268 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how do I assemble? < 1442207381 322406 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you have a GitHub? < 1442207395 308905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I do not use GitHub, I just have the plain files < 1442207404 251767 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK :/ < 1442207411 307846 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a reason for that? < 1442207424 969104 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, GH is pretty useful < 1442207457 702783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is easier and simpler to work with and do not require web browser or a git client or anything else like that, you can just download the file. < 1442207505 323894 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1442207522 242145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To run a program you run it specifying the ROM filename on the "quackvm" commandline, optionally followed by a disk filename. The provided implementation might not work except in xterm. To assemble, put filename on commandline of "quackasm"; output goes to stdout and must be redirected to write to the ROM file. (You can also append banks by appending to the file.) < 1442207530 844455 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it'd get more exposure if you were to put it on GH. You could, of course, share it on GitHub AND have it on your website < 1442207561 743706 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I need to compile the files first? < 1442207562 513017 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442207568 267703 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC will do, correct? < 1442207579 949648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, GCC will do, it is what I used. < 1442207591 108715 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1442207591 788969 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great < 1442207600 333723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just run them with bash, they should compile if you do that < 1442207634 241048 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I'm a windows user for the moment xD < 1442207651 293833 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So A) I can't use bash and B) I don't have termios.h < 1442207666 558980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you probably cannot compile quackvm.c at all; you could try to write your own implementation though. < 1442207674 294801 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been meaning to dual-boot with a linux distribution < 1442207680 997609 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can compile quackvm < 1442207685 190098 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not the assembler < 1442207733 236111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect that implementation to work on Windows. However, you can look at the codes and the documentation and use that to make up your own implementation for Windows. < 1442207749 770849 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is Termios used for? < 1442207756 871866 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Both in the assembler and in general)? < 1442207776 735724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The assembler shouldn't need termios < 1442207821 724269 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1442207823 329208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VM implementation uses it to set noncanonical mode < 1442207839 196906 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was quackvm that broke when I tried compiling < 1442207856 560153 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a python programmer. Not much C experience. What's noncanonical code? < 1442207878 211017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noncanonical mode for terminals means that input is done by characters rather than by lines. < 1442207907 521566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use the assembler in Windows, you probably need to add something into the program to make stdout into binary mode (and I will accept patches for it) < 1442207908 33689 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442207916 59556 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK? < 1442207950 432999 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I'm at it, I might as well send you the .exes to pack with it if you wnat < 1442207955 637155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However the .rom files are the output of the .asm files so you don't need to assemble them if you want to use only the existing programs without changing it < 1442207958 918479 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most windows users are too lazy to compile xD < 1442207961 670924 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1442208025 915184 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to do it with... um < 1442208035 852137 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check the python code I copied earlier for /my/ vm < 1442208053 438174 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :msvcrt < 1442208095 30854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want, you can try to make an implementation of QUACKVM for Windows. As long as it is open-source I will agree to either include the files or to make a file that lists the links to the Windows versions as well as any other implementations and related stuff < 1442208125 771165 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1442208128 537403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure you have the latest quackvm.zip the earlier ones had a few mistakes! < 1442208129 368349 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand C < 1442208154 149851 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should just use python if I'm going to make an implementation < 1442208167 209781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use Python if you want to, that's OK < 1442208169 155807 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it cross-platform AND open source < 1442208182 391003 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you document the file format? < 1442208196 799046 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume files are flat binaries because you didn't have any suggestions for me xD < 1442208237 316107 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the URL for the latest zip? < 1442208239 587540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that some features are optional to implement. < 1442208250 154241 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll implement them anyway xD < 1442208261 522422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's OK! < 1442208263 82621 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all, is it ok to ask an assembly related question here, or is there a more appropriate channel? < 1442208284 10191 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(asking on behalf of a friend who's stuck on a programming assignment. I would know how to solve it if it's not assembly) < 1442208288 856600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I don't know; ask anyways in case anyone knows, but if there are others you can try that too < 1442208303 626420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The URL is the same as the previous versions; it is: http://zzo38computer.org/prog/quackvm.zip < 1442208359 655794 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what the program needs to do is read and validate numbers from the user. from the second number onwards, it also needs to compare the new and last number and print which one was higher. < 1442208378 966923 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so say you put in 1, then 2, it compares 2 to 1 and 2 is greater, then you put in 30, it compares 30 to 2 and 30 is greater, etc < 1442208386 841555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: But you should nevertheless mention (whether you ask here or elsewhere), assembly language for what computer? < 1442208401 853954 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/kztje7hm3tuvpdlhauv7ba#27 I think it's called nasm, e.g. this is documentation for it http://www.tortall.net/projects/yasm/manual/html/nasm-effaddr.html < 1442208413 61843 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the specific problem we're having is, we want to swap the pointers to our two input buffers after reading each number in < 1442208434 347500 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're always, for example, inputting the newest number into input1, then comparing input1 to input2, then swapping what was in input1 to input2 and reading into input1 again < 1442208441 844065 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit clueless. What exactly does "the predicate succeeding" do in your VM? < 1442208471 826524 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem we're having is that lea input2, dx ; and mov input2, dx ; are both compiler errors. < 1442208494 402500 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we know that it will work if you surround input2 in brackets, like this: [input2] but that does something different - it uses the value input2 is pointing to, not the 'pointer' of input2 itself, and we want to swap the two pointers specifically < 1442208496 705104 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fin) < 1442208524 264109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It matters if the instruction has the predicate bit set; then a cell follows which tells it where to go if the predicate succeeds/fails (depending on the sign bit) < 1442208545 137378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I believe the newest documentation documents that? If it isn't clear, you can tell me and I can try to fix it. < 1442208563 216903 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still uploading the newest docs to Drive so I can read them < 1442208566 977718 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have MS Office xD < 1442208583 647686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It is a plain text file, not a MS Office document < 1442208589 793143 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a .doc < 1442208594 647547 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an MS office document < 1442208631 927020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it is still a plain text file. The .doc extension is used for both (although using it for plain text is a bit old), although Wordpad should be able to open it anyways hopefully? < 1442208638 998243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: I don't know much of nasm syntax or x86 instruction set, nor do I know what other channel to try < 1442208651 76839 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: NP, thanks for hearing me out < 1442208662 581416 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, here it is < 1442208665 57755 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :##asm, let me try that < 1442208669 733911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: But if someone else happens to be on and who knows the answer, they will answer you too < 1442208691 671391 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, thanks < 1442208738 374612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: So you can read it with Wordpad. (Notepad will not work because Notepad requires CRLF line endings) < 1442208756 935 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notepad++ will probably work < 1442208773 693797 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter though, I uploaded it to Google Drive and had Google Docs convert it to a Google Docs document < 1442208797 742639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that if you want, that is fine, the document is public domain anyways < 1442208877 20261 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp < 1442208885 541056 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have NO clue how your vm works < 1442208889 607450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All other files there are also public domain. < 1442208891 57504 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting a vague idea < 1442208898 13740 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Public domain is fun < 1442208954 322774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, if I am being unclear in the documentation, then I hope to fix it. You could try to understand by the C codes too if you want to, even if you cannot understand C codes very well, it might be better than reading only one file < 1442208980 456415 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just don't understand low-level processing enough xD < 1442209026 742667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be it. It can be a good idea to learn, not only for this but for dealing with other stuff too < 1442209058 671909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :English spelling reforms | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1442209122 271434 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all characters of my font (so far) in unicode ordering: http://www.orenwatson.be/fontcharlist.htm < 1442209222 259202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, you've documented the instruction format and encoding of that interpreter? < 1442209252 481730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, I have done it now (I don't know if it is clearly enough) < 1442209289 973692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: That looks like good so far < 1442209490 517757 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1442209492 682058 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hit a wall < 1442209505 126526 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a way to convert a string of bits to a floating point < 1442209516 383004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1442209544 245612 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the floating-point instructions < 1442209585 917442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no floating-point instructions < 1442209618 405623 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean instructions that operatate on registers containing double-precision floating point numbers < 1442209621 653892 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For MY VM < 1442209652 431665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, well, I do not know Python, nor have I seen such instruction in your documentation? Maybe it was a bit old one! < 1442209655 250277 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1442209686 395125 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I just realized I need it x < 1442209687 500260 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D < 1442209688 890884 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1442209691 102340 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't < 1442209706 27737 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1442209708 321862 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I do < 1442209715 984009 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have lost track of what I'm talking about xD < 1442209729 523219 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about a SETF instruction, but I don't need that < 1442209762 572357 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I must've added those instructions after I talked to you < 1442209788 362911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you expect to need them for? < 1442209815 225688 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For floating-point operations < 1442209830 743613 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This VM is intended to have actual uses xD < 1442209905 94232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you intend to use with programs that require floating-point. Many programs don't and use fixed-point. But, look in Python documentation maybe you can find it < 1442209964 355928 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will < 1442210112 641327 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442210237 845188 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1442210730 594656 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442211870 576836 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442213155 738600 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442213235 654836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 67 < 1442213236 599134 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 67: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1442213245 491315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will add the character sheets a bit later < 1442213989 937302 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442214437 880247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also is still around? < 1442214639 410682 :bender!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:e407:bc99:c924:99d0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442214880 214556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet at least < 1442214901 123403 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442215242 41099 :bender!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:e407:bc99:c924:99d0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1442215635 394607 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442216656 909326 :ashl!~ash@185.83.217.70 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1442218085 947528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442219609 403791 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442220526 180067 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442220651 325460 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442221237 37935 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442221271 439393 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442221472 650300 :bender!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:e407:bc99:c924:99d0 NICK :bender| < 1442221480 785906 :bender|!~sid123@2404:e800:e61a:41d:e407:bc99:c924:99d0 QUIT :Changing host < 1442221481 2041 :bender|!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442221602 359553 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442222206 992695 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442224122 318916 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442224282 903822 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442225844 309605 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442226273 170518 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1442226526 938893 :sc00fy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442226879 960456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442226931 135085 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442227656 315184 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f80e-20.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442227766 581566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: meeting < 1442228196 285105 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-248-117.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442229902 88203 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CYCLOPEAN CHICKEN < 1442230610 311233 :bender|!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 NICK :bender < 1442230849 922428 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1442231094 638063 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442231366 414457 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1442231869 999383 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1442231882 358496 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442232528 402755 :darkl0ck!~v1rtuehea@TOROON2634W-LP140-02-2925477211.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442233650 259633 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1442234103 293430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442234139 173165 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1442234144 281525 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442234177 875275 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1442234326 393877 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Client Quit < 1442234337 392374 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1442234555 455139 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442234862 341961 :JesseH!~JesseH@oftn/member/JesseH JOIN :#esoteric < 1442235171 440828 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zkjoqufbixdrjplt QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1442235757 337235 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400:0:ed2:92ff:fe3b:ec82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442235806 348948 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ylozbhiptuojygue JOIN :#esoteric < 1442237739 212772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, spambot says ATM MASTER CARD, and although it's almost certainly a typo for MasterCard, there's somehow a very different connotation < 1442237846 979162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATM SKELETON CARD < 1442237897 788503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get to see Sunday's plot-of-the-day? http://zem.fi/bfjoust/vis/cycles/ < 1442237898 361293 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATM INTERCALDIATE CARD < 1442237935 961561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I didn't < 1442237938 343294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks now < 1442237955 629764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, margins is going to be hilarious again isn't it? < 1442237984 457817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, I can't see the top few lines at the same time as the graph at the bottom < 1442237993 278699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, i can click < 1442237995 866755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than hover < 1442238084 825417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: suggested improvement to that: in the graph at the bottom, show which program won < 1442238099 502513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correlation between win rate and cycle length is interesting to know < 1442238272 397267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. I could use three different colors for the bar (with a legend on the right side), although currently there's always at least one zero-height bar, so I'd have to pad them a bit. < 1442238273 184981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MASTER CARD OF YENDOR < 1442238276 880661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1442238279 545569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test ,[.,]!Hello, world! < 1442238287 355630 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_test: 6.1 < 1442238306 928453 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE PLATINUM YENDORIAN MASTER CARD < 1442238318 184669 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and THE MASTER CARD OF THIEVERY < 1442238373 21029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, my latest adventures in Windows land: < 1442238400 164822 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :network share with two directories, named "a" and "A", in the same directory. Explorer lists "A" no matter which one I'm trying to view. < 1442238603 424276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest test . < 1442238603 960463 :zemhill!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523.test: points -32.10, score 3.26, rank 47/47 < 1442238728 624971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plots still won't auto-update, sadly. < 1442238827 114145 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is bfjoust ? < 1442238851 594324 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brainfuck programming game < 1442238930 623946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your website is missing a link to the repository of programs < 1442238933 967985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm currently updating the wiki page) < 1442238938 794185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and noticed it isn't listed anywhere) < 1442238985 27718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be http://zem.fi/bfjoust/hill.git/ < 1442239011 351993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: look on esolangs.org, there's an entry < 1442239027 21881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a strange game ais523 is good at < 1442239035 390773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm editing the page right now < 1442239039 631959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the bot should post a link to it soon < 1442239043 101600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I save the page < 1442239077 973409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44191&oldid=40553 5* 03Ais523 5* (-246) 10update information about the hills; fix capitalization of "brainfuck" < 1442239080 78373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1442239098 255847 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: reading about it now < 1442239115 296960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your certificate for https://codu.org is expired < 1442239314 679562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: one of the things I love about BF Joust is that unlike almost all competitive games, you can play it against yourself < 1442239338 851928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no hidden information involved, you can see all the programs you're competing against and analyze how they work, but that doesn't necessarily help in beating them < 1442239386 695338 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure. competitive rubik cube solving is like that too. < 1442239409 117624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's hidden information, but only in the sense that the tape length and polarity are hidden from the bfjoust code. < 1442239430 810385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: rubiks cube solving is competitive only in the sense that you can compare two solution events to see which one had the shorter time < 1442239437 900547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no interaction between the different players < 1442239444 149604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's true. < 1442239452 818213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF Joust has plenty of interaction, but the twist is you have to write down your strategy in all possible situations in advance < 1442239452 996079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only metagame interaction. < 1442239538 988276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then it's like... ICFP contest 2004 about the ants? < 1442239556 364748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a two-player game where you have to write down the strategy in advance < 1442239580 345707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people played it for a while after the contest, though I think they have mostly stopped now. < 1442239598 464986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think that's a good comparison < 1442239636 150359 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also uses a somewhat simple programming language, one that doesn't have a large memory or registers. < 1442239671 942190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a large general purpose random access memory that is. < 1442239817 569454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in windows, what's the proper combination of backslashes and/or slashes in a pathname like \\?\UNC\\\HOSTNAME\sharename\ ? < 1442239895 730561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1442239907 830346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my searches are failing because duckduckgo doesn't recognise \\?\ as a search term < 1442239915 659518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries putting quotes around it < 1442239924 935324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now it does recognise it, but can't find any results anyway < 1442240062 332089 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it needs a single backslash between UNC and the server name < 1442240114 48073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, sort of works now < 1442240129 192006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I even want to know what you're doing? < 1442240176 659438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mentioned above: < 1442240190 464079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, you weren't here < 1442240236 465906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, I was sure I had the hill repository link somewhere, but turns out I didn't. The program names in the score table link to the gitweb view, which I think used to have the URL, but it seems to have gotten lost. < 1442240251 318884 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"btw, my latest adventures in Windows land: network share with two directories, named "a" and "A", in the same directory. Explorer lists "A" no matter which one I'm trying to view." < 1442240255 328110 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were here < 1442240292 130598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it might be connected to that < 1442240311 798476 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to try to list both directories out of curiosity < 1442240344 316373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this will help, because it's still case insensitive normally < 1442240466 807887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh brilliant < 1442240470 53643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's non-deterministic too < 1442240476 27541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's locally cached for a while < 1442240485 657352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whcihever dir I try to access first, I'm stuck at it < 1442240542 973698 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1442240563 822287 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interestingly, bfjoust resembles not a tilt (lance charge) but a traditional joust (with multiple rounds and fighting styles) < 1442241407 386486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442241409 537325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Is the latter composed of multiple instances of the former? < 1442241512 227304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've been wondering about the word to use for a single "instance" (particular pair of programs, tape length and polarity). The article sometimes calls it a "match", but it's not even consistent. < 1442241571 174162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "round" seems to make sense < 1442241579 945095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, if you're talking about the wiki article < 1442241583 84648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In "-- tournaments generally run 42 matches between the two warriors -- A program is scored based on the number of configurations in which it won, minus the number of configurations in which it lost; thus +42 is a perfect score for an individual match --" the first half implies there are 42 matches, but the second half implies "an individual match" is all 42. < 1442241592 150169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make it consistent and then people will start using your terminology < 1442241608 431506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how the whole "sieve" and "kettle" thing started < 1442241621 559645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this also implies that the word you choose is likely to catch on even if it makes no sense) < 1442241656 742958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember my wiki password, and my password manager is inaccessible. :) < 1442241680 476082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article uses the word "round" for one of what I've been calling cycle, too. < 1442241689 38062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not. < 1442241692 769852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just read that too fast. < 1442241701 127561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In each round of a match, both warriors simultaneously execute one of the above instructions at each time step (or 'cycle')." < 1442241720 89686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind it being "match" for the full set of 42, and "round" for one configuration. < 1442241749 811151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My protobuf messages call the former a single "joust". < 1442241841 804450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "cycle" is standard by now < 1442241932 168253 :bender!~sid123@unaffiliated/bender/x-9459530 QUIT :Quit: Ping Pong Fuckout < 1442242046 201901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44192&oldid=44191 5* 0374.125.57.54 5* (-7) 10/* Matches */ (Hopefully) consistify terminology. < 1442242059 677446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usernames are for chumps anyway. < 1442242309 357340 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1442242309 564335 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v < 1442242379 684786 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know, but I've been having issues with StartSSL @_@ < 1442242395 429404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fair enough, just making sure you were aware < 1442242420 34363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole certs and expiry thing is basically a blatant cashgrab as it is < 1442242421 645912 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44193&oldid=44192 5* 0374.125.57.54 5* (+109) 10/* Competitive hills */ Tweak zem.fi hill replacement strategy description. < 1442242454 462944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My StartSSL cert for zem.fi is expiring on October 7 this year. < 1442242455 53142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, I guess my programming mind saw the two as equivalent < 1442242469 939393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re your edit) < 1442242506 738106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping letsencrypt would've been launched (as scheduled) so I wouldn't have to keep dealing with StartSSL. < 1442242596 359323 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Any year now. < 1442242619 393042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they've only moved the announced dates back once. < 1442242628 508340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Before that, they just didn't have launch dates.) < 1442242762 475119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably, my replacement strategy is "less sane" (in that you can replace a better program by a worse one), but that's what I ended up when implementing it. < 1442242924 787269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's equivalent over time, the only difference is the instant at which you take the snapshot < 1442242936 304497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, not /quite/ < 1442242943 450713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it affects the scores of the incoming program < 1442242990 581533 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ; < 1442242991 582794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+003B SEMICOLON] < 1442243042 640926 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ; < 1442243043 589286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+037E GREEK QUESTION MARK] < 1442243165 562091 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should use that as my regular question mark; what do you guys think; < 1442243278 897411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good⸮ < 1442243298 700598 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use U+200B​ < 1442243395 532462 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-115-237.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442243563 471862 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how about "game" for a particular pair of programs on a length and polarity, and "match" for the set of all games between two programs on each length and polarity? < 1442243636 207030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the first one could be a "run" < 1442243702 11774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one instance of calling it a "run", but I just went with a "round". < 1442243806 591827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you need words for the set with two programs on a given polarity but varying length, and the set with two programs with a given length but varying polarity. :-) < 1442243879 443632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll call one a "slice", and the other a "sluice". < 1442244117 544481 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1442244183 643221 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@37-219-115-237.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1442244187 834807 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@37-219-76-149.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :J_Arcane < 1442244418 686416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sluice? is that a real word? < 1442244607 438674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1442244614 897805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn sluice < 1442244616 941656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "sluice" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1442244618 980084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :sluice < 1442244620 934473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: conduit that carries a rapid flow of water controlled by a < 1442244622 979322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : sluicegate [syn: {sluice}, {sluiceway}, {penstock}] < 1442244626 950752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : v 1: pour as if from a sluice; "An aggressive tide sluiced < 1442244628 952634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5 @more lines] < 1442244650 935996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as making sense goes, it's in the sieve/kettle ballpark. < 1442244688 432438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. (1) sluice, flush -- (irrigate with water from a sluice; "sluice the earth") < 1442244698 628503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sluice the earth" sounds like something a supervillain would say. < 1442244795 534794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a *conduit*. well, that explains everything: http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1013.html < 1442244817 93582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was aware of the word "sluice", but I wouldn't necessarily expect a non-native speaker to know it < 1442244819 724585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty obscure word < 1442244873 67718 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah < 1442244883 451573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"slice" is much better-known < 1442244885 166513 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION no native English-Speaker, and did not know that Word < 1442244889 916650 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1442244898 4211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although a sluice-gate could probably be used for slicing, especially if you sharpened the bottom of it) < 1442245011 323475 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400:0:ed2:92ff:fe3b:ec82 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1442245026 811075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so sluice. that means we have conduits in bfjoust. < 1442245095 465428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, "penstock" is a synonym for "sluice"? < 1442245155 693103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in some of their meanings < 1442245162 835032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1442245200 791950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great build system set up here, I think I only have to edit the description file in like six places to add a new set of source files. < 1442245409 848082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1013.html has some great technobabble. Heisenfram, Hyperfluid, Intermix, Phlebotinum, and Wavelet conduits. < 1442245843 741542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1442245927 874799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I probably know of 'sluice' because of encountering references to sluice gates in somewhere or another. < 1442245946 683097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sluices and sluicegates go together, really < 1442245946 861805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a game, perhaps. < 1442245960 147071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a sluice gate in order to be a sluice < 1442245966 908441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a sluice gate doesn't have a whole lot of useful applications < 1442245969 933357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gating sluices is the main one < 1442245970 263333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Garamsythe_Waterway "The Sluice Gate Key can be obtained from Sorbet after completion of the White Mousse Hunt." < 1442245976 463548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1442245983 630935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh, I didn't expect an FFXII reference < 1442245985 311022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1442245988 711192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible I knew of sluices beforehand, but I've at least obtained the Sluice Gate Key. < 1442246005 980956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i did something i'd never thought plausible: i voted in a norwegian church election. < 1442246020 463996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh < 1442246074 104263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you care about who won? < 1442246087 800624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I voted in the UK local police commisioner elections a while ago < 1442246099 105898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which had one of the lowest turnouts ever < 1442246108 77893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly as a negative vote to make sure that particular candidates didn't win < 1442246120 947629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :local police commisioner elections? I haven't heared of such a thing. < 1442246136 638968 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure, negative vote is perfectly normal, it happens on bigger elections too. < 1442246140 160870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was for a good cause. it so happens that this year the main issue in the election has been whether the church should perform gay marriages... < 1442246164 989112 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when all the candidates seem bad, some of them can still be worse, and then it's worth to vote for another, even if you're not sure who's the best candidate. < 1442246174 6713 :mihow!~mihow@c-76-27-244-171.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442246185 831239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What all do you elect here? I think I'm eligible to vote on some local things now. < 1442246187 997665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, the church election is colocated with the municipality elections, so it was a simple thing to vote in both) < 1442246208 999427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are two main groups of elections (which sometimes fall on the same day, which makes counting easier) < 1442246235 282772 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442246237 981193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is a general election; that used to happen approximately every five years (I think a new law means that it happens /exactly/ every five years because governments were scheduling them tactically) < 1442246258 861255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a general election, every position for a member of parliament is voted on < 1442246294 591322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each person gets to vote for one member of parliament "slot" depending on where they live (the slots are called "constituencies" and have names like Birmingham Edgbaston) < 1442246333 726695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's plurality voting, and the members of parliament then can plurality vote on laws < 1442246366 315764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prime minister is loosely defined as "anyone who can plausibly claim to be prime minister, and not have over 50% of the MPs oppose that claim" < 1442246378 793708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other main election is a local election; that affects the makeup of the local council < 1442246392 870144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the general one requires citizenship. < 1442246396 402540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm. can that mean there's two opposing prime ministers? < 1442246413 818303 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1442246427 23339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think there's a countably infinite number of prime ministers. < 1442246444 816673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works much the same way as a general election, except a) the slots are more specific (and called "wards", not "constituencies"), and b) there are three candidates elected per ward (although in some elections, you vote for all three, some you vote for only one) < 1442246463 849316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, the prime minister also has to be an MP < 1442246478 588696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, there can't be much more than that, unless they're overlapping a lot < 1442246487 122567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are very small < 1442246488 667517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it could sort-of happen; however, the Queen has the final say as to who the Prime Minister is (although if she gets it wrong, she'll instantly be overriden by 50% of the MPs) < 1442246515 100920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's generally considered that it would be very embarassing for the Queen to nominate someone Prime Minister and immediately get them voted out < 1442246518 645905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, that means it's effectively the same system as in Hungary, but defined backwards < 1442246542 909875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, does that mean britain will no longer have freely scheduled dissolution of parliament? < 1442246547 317017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so she normally delays the official announcement until it's clear that one party can control a confidence vote < 1442246560 422453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I believe so; there's some provision for emergencies, which may or may not be badly defined < 1442246587 673892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and as for what "councillors" elected in a local election do, they get to control the budget for the local area and vote on how it's used < 1442246598 896104 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ylozbhiptuojygue QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1442246599 971844 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, the President of the Republic proposes a prime minister to make a government, but then the majority of the parliment has to vote _for_ him before he can become a prime minister, so the President generally proposes the one person who would get the votes in first place, < 1442246606 288555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, the council in question is Birmingham City Council, who control the budget for all the day-to-day running of Birmingham < 1442246606 892793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway has had a fixed schedule basically always, and some have argued that we _should_ introduce dissolution < 1442246616 588359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like funding the police, repairing streetlights, garbage collection < 1442246619 339207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for that he may have to wait before parliment parties make an agreement, if no party is in majority after the elections. < 1442246663 189254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the council itself is funded by two sources: a) money from the national tax budget (allocated by parliament); b) council tax, which is charged against houses (more expensive the more impressive the house) and has to be paid by their owners < 1442246697 734659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all of that sounds normal, it's just the part where you said "local police commisioner" that sounds strange < 1442246702 792599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a council election is really about how you want the council to prioritize their budget < 1442246710 400803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: most people think it shouldn't have been an elected position in the first place < 1442246741 393862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've only had one election for that < 1442246741 998075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, only those two? local councils can't have tax on industry? < 1442246771 848028 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1442246779 763665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: local councils can't impose their own taxes (other than council tax), although they can certainly try to claim a bigger share of the national taxes on whatever basis they feel like < 1442246797 445997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, all this applies to England specifically; the situations in Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are more complicated and I don't know all the details < 1442247022 84883 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1442247025 362269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no idea about the smaller islands; Anglesey almost certainly counts as part of Wales, and the Hebrides and the like as part of Scotland, but what about the Isle of Man, or Wight, or the Channel Islands, or the Falklands?) < 1442247053 347962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, those all have crazy special rules < 1442247059 565957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :about everything in general < 1442247101 842562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK being centered around an archipelago (which isn't all part of the UK, nor is all of the UK there) makes geographical terminology pretty awkward sometimes < 1442247120 802246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the name of the archipelago itself is apparently very contentious on Wikipedia < 1442247128 689197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1442247133 343346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"British Isles" is the most common, but some Irish people feel that that's discriminatory < 1442247170 680908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1442247193 654429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that kind of irish person is mostly out to make a point, though) < 1442247194 327972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442247199 977767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : (that kind of irish person is mostly out to make a point, though) < 1442247212 106368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if "Great Britain" (the name of the largest island in the archipelago) is contentious too < 1442247235 221266 :^v!~^v@c-68-41-215-101.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442247828 925727 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's possible that different names are better for different purposes. < 1442247931 505698 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, a politician has to use one name in his speech to avoid some people feeling insulted; but you have to use another name when addressing a postal mail so that it gets there more reliably. < 1442247952 288246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some crazy naming issues, like that about Macedonia or Taiwan. < 1442247987 412754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Serbia, which had to stop calling itself Yugoslavia after a while. < 1442248023 910077 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1442248074 900353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits useless_file.txt < 1442248076 208813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie estin < 1442248095 189400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? estin < 1442248095 832004 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :estin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1442248138 717200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"after a while"? did they keep doing it after montenegro left? < 1442248320 435501 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1442248339 71591 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has someone here ever made something in BANCStar? < 1442248354 87366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: weren't you a BANCStar "expert"? < 1442248358 806013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome S1 < 1442248359 865615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1442248360 588769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? no < 1442248361 261940 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hue < 1442248369 32907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not even that long, they changed in 2003 < 1442248370 325017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hmm, maybe I've confused you with someone else then < 1442248370 506678 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just interested and read some of the disassembler code < 1442248374 512861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bearing in mind that this is all relative < 1442248381 740457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing anything at all about BANCStar probably makes you an expert < 1442248385 793425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1442248387 436104 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442248388 880955 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then even I am an expert < 1442248389 61831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so < 1442248477 837067 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wondered if someone made something reasonable that could have been shown. But now I realize I would not want to read it anyway < 1442248481 729120 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! I'm back! < 1442248554 76541 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1442248557 290240 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1442248562 15045 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, ^W < 1442248567 630423 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why did you welcome me? < 1442248580 588284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there no surviving implementation of BANCStar? < 1442248586 74613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(known) < 1442248607 674668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1: habit < 1442248636 405799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :secretly, he did it so as not to risk any `relcomes < 1442248650 22031 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ? < 1442248650 938461 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09?: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06EFnet 13or 04DALnet.) < 1442248657 910382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles madly < 1442248681 49346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have colours turned off in my client :-P < 1442248704 556000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i `mkx rmelcome//rm bin/relcome < 1442248714 660503 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :colours are not a valid topic for any irc < 1442248731 149828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: where have you been? < 1442248750 956888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's vacation season < 1442248769 771336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well I moved out from my parents, and like the week before that the HDD of the RPi that runs the znc bouncer died, and I didn't have time to deal with that until now < 1442248784 818113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :( < 1442248793 697207 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that is why I have not been on IRC < 1442248811 688656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Vorpal is here! < 1442248813 223136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking HDDs, I want some durable storage. Install and forget < 1442248818 154371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at me, I'm the BANG-Star EGG-Spurt < 1442248870 591604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i turned on +n yesterday, hagb4rd was around and made brief use of it. < 1442248898 662565 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442248901 500250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no implementations. the buy who brought us the bangstar samples and disassemblers said he has an old floppy with the implementation that he may be able to read somehow, then he disappeared completely. so be careful. < 1442248919 317848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :....ok < 1442248939 285134 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We are sure there is nothing fishy about this" < 1442248949 169491 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, yes < 1442248972 618425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're not a trained professional BANG-Star EGG-Spurt, then don't try it at home anywya. < 1442248983 307613 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be dangerous < 1442248998 359177 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's BANCStar, not BANGStar < 1442249087 120335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out some things of BANCStar too; see the talk page < 1442249090 722795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you seam to be speaking vaguely pornographic, are you sure you're not hagb4rd < 1442249164 65319 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did it twive < 1442249166 546375 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice < 1442249308 629768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one, two, twee, twour, twive times! < 1442249338 537053 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how are you btw? < 1442249350 424034 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :twive is even more than twice < 1442249364 338326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorp'hello. I don't even remember how long you've been gone. < 1442249373 155492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't have been that long, seeing as I still haven't graduated. < 1442249389 779338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: temporarily inconvenienced, with no real long-term problems right now < 1442249393 327520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you graduating gradually < 1442249404 827715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm spending most of my time at work, because my house is being re-plumbed < 1442249409 369541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is currently almost a building site < 1442249425 908042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :callforjudgement < 1442249433 211693 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1442249435 934780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it's required to be somewhat discrete by the rules. < 1442249507 721873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unnovative < 1442249710 913243 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442250340 945411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: temporarily inconvenienced, with no real long-term problems right now <-- well my toe hurts and the doctors don't know what it is so far... < 1442250347 983701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is not related to not being here < 1442250593 666138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, apparently I'm an expert because I created the esowiki webpage for BANCStar. < 1442250631 850066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly. < 1442250647 690681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :an expert on bancstar? < 1442250670 878345 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drops < 1442250721 831361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think zzo38 is also a bit of an expert, istr he did some investigations < 1442250738 343528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I did too < 1442250756 576377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although neither of us are really an expert as far as I know. < 1442250765 578432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. and GreyKnight did more investigations. < 1442250830 530870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things I have come to conclusion differently than other people have done < 1442250865 585831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, we are missing someting < 1442250867 691449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Vorpal < 1442250868 483343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1442250885 815430 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the habit now, ais523 < 1442250921 677486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal hasn't been here for ages, we need to make him welcome ;-) < 1442250932 784995 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1442250947 920672 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said it's a bad habit, anyway < 1442251003 460915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wälcåmä Vorpal < 1442251006 453620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vårpal: Wälcome to the intärnatiånal hub får äsåteric programming language däsign and deplåyment! Får måre infårmation, check out our wiki: . (For the åther kind åf äsåterica, try #esåtäric ån ÄFnet år DALnät.) < 1442251062 553194 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is æwesøme < 1442251101 168918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not fair, you added another stupid welcome variant since last time I deleted a bunch of them? < 1442251238 476856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a generic Swedifier < 1442251248 668692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'hello, world' | en2sv < 1442251249 446214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellå, wårld < 1442251363 558583 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1442251394 186337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? me < 1442251395 152717 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me is a proud member of the tEaM. < 1442251417 557969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/me < 1442251418 826815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e < 1442251645 968411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have almost as many footnotes as sessions, but only approx. half as many chapters as sessions < 1442251808 359391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wälcåmä < 1442251809 77673 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ exec welcome "$@" | bin/en2sv < 1442251817 277494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/en2sv < 1442251818 54256 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ use Encode; binmode *$_,"encoding(utf8)" for STDIN,STDOUT; local$/; for (split//,) { rand(5)<3 and y/EOeo/\xc4\xc5\xe4\xe5/; print } < 1442251866 488138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, what is that? < 1442251873 981458 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"`wälcåmä " I mean < 1442251878 521490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :just adding random dots? < 1442251898 902837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should add a proper Swedish and Norwegian welcome message, don't you agree oerjan ? < 1442251925 908759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know how to write in Swedish and Norwegian then you can try to do such thing < 1442251942 461368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, well I do know Swedish and oerjan knows Norwegian obviously < 1442251952 111422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: spells stuff in Swedish. Swedish randomly spells "e" as either "e" or "ä", and similarly randomly spells "o" as either "o" or "å". It should also do other changes, but those would be more complicated to implement. < 1442251963 505834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure there wasn't one already? < 1442251970 445804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, hah :P < 1442251981 85230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*elko* < 1442251981 962569 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/welkom < 1442251990 811208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*älko* < 1442251991 843142 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/välkommen < 1442251997 621105 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me do the proper translation to Swedish < 1442251998 992587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? välkommen < 1442251999 748356 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.) < 1442252004 395858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LATE < 1442252017 344496 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try, and undoubtedly fail extremely badly, to translate the welcome message into Latin. < 1442252050 103487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the speecher on my computer so bad????? It is making all of the wrong noise!!!! < 1442252051 222646 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`elcomeway tswett < 1442252051 879910 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: elcomeway: not found < 1442252056 793557 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1442252074 749074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you seem very upset about this < 1442252106 757892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still works though despite that < 1442252107 315664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Välkommen till den internationella hubben för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information kolla upp vår wiki: . (För den andra typen av esoterisk, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.) < 1442252117 521368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh it exists, damn < 1442252124 75485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, the speaker on right side works; the one on left sometimes it doesn't works) < 1442252146 955359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not enough concatenated words in that though < 1442252164 639074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning" is clearly superior to "design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk" < 1442252181 324584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially deployment != distribution < 1442252189 146219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since* < 1442252220 730472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKEJ < 1442252245 387224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, though "knutpunkten" is better than "hubben" clearly < 1442252275 907339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :självklart < 1442252304 769100 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information, se vår wiki: . (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.) < 1442252311 275637 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be the best of both < 1442252314 378492 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benvenite ad centrum internationalis de designatio et deplementatio de linguae esotericae programmati! Per plus informatio, mira nostro wiki: . (Per alter tipus esotericae, proba #esoteric in EFnet vel DALnet.) < 1442252325 949631 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any specific errors in that. < 1442252343 495604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see lots of case errors < 1442252364 360653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, welcome in real Swedish < 1442252378 330074 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those are definitely real Latin words. "Ad", "per", "plus", "alter", "in". And I feel like "centrum" looks about right. < 1442252385 576335 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1442252446 872096 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What case is that supposed to be? Uh, there's nominative, accusative, dative, genitive, ablative, and vocative. So the word for "center" should be in the... dative? < 1442252463 383106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1442252496 664221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benvenite ad centrum internationalem de designatione et deplementatione de linguis esotericis programmatis! < 1442252526 287788 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you came up with that by just taking my "translation" and sticking the right case endings on. < 1442252528 565509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought accusative < 1442252531 642674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1442252568 912257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect "de" should be replaced with genitive < 1442252577 612559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1442252589 844259 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you aiming for latin? < 1442252591 613291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gets beyond my actual knowledge, i think < 1442252605 775123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think so < 1442252620 653563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.la < 1442252621 567074 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.la? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1442252637 73468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`benvenite < 1442252637 755617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: benvenite: not found < 1442252640 635220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*enve* < 1442252641 594816 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/bienvenue < 1442252655 679741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*enve* < 1442252656 399410 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/arienvenido \ bin/benvenuto \ bin/bienvenido < 1442252672 570214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`benvenido < 1442252673 276235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: benvenido: not found < 1442252676 133026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`benvenuto < 1442252677 48821 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.it? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1442252689 155139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido < 1442252689 946610 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.) < 1442252691 313941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1442252708 962588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spanish one is the only non-english one that sees serious use < 1442252717 10158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the canaimas < 1442252731 630818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canaimas < 1442252732 481306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canaimas? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1442252807 693722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -i anaima wisdom/* < 1442252809 426567 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ Binary file wisdom/reflection matches < 1442252816 194084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1442252823 757647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -Ri anaima wisdom/* < 1442252825 462747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep -i anaima wisdom # hth < 1442252826 98194 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file wisdom/reflection matches < 1442252827 276984 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1442252854 565804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a difference between rgrep and grep -R < 1442252857 680968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1442252863 507764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a difference between wisdom and wisdom/* < 1442252950 724992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mk wisdom/welcome.sv//Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information, se vår wiki: . (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.) < 1442252952 907959 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/welcome.sv < 1442252959 287433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.sv < 1442252960 212926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för esoterisk programmeringsspråksdesign och -driftsättning! För mer information, se vår wiki: . (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på EFnet eller DALnet.) < 1442252973 16526 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`os < 1442252973 832548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :os < 1442252984 370256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/os < 1442252984 901652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ echo "$0" | sed -e 's_.*/__' < 1442253004 652452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1442253022 447469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits bin/os < 1442253024 154334 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ln -s os bin/wat < 1442253024 392632 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett tswett tswett tswett < 1442253025 843980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1442253027 328833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1442253027 512592 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wat < 1442253028 363079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1442253038 396571 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/wat < 1442253041 180465 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1442253078 464921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/välkommen < 1442253081 278048 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1442253094 521643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think wisdom.?? scales better < 1442253109 973024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* welcome.?? < 1442253157 41947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep kommen bin/ < 1442253162 976070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1442253165 932314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"welcome.no" gives out bit of mixed signals for English speakers, though. < 1442253186 559940 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.norvenskuomi < 1442253253 170873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can have welcome.nb and welcome.nn separately. < 1442253280 519791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1442253378 867837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered /nick oohrjan twh < 1442253662 997326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo < 1442253700 102024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am hitting a roadblock here: i have no idea what, if any, is the norwegian word for software deployment. < 1442253800 632265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there are hits for "driftssetting" but too few of them < 1442253826 438469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh an s too much < 1442253830 216009 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a word for "software"? < 1442253889 425109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "idriftsetting" has slightly more hits than that again < 1442253901 255830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: erm... < 1442253917 872242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"programvare" usually < 1442253929 169454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, we have "aufsetzen", hmm, but it's really derived from "setup", I'm afraid. < 1442253958 383172 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, better than german. (we have Programme, but a collection of those would just be software, I think) < 1442253974 566970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "idriftsettelse < 1442253976 101355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1442253988 666478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that would obviously be bokmål only, hm... < 1442254019 919376 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Historically, "program" *may* have come from german? I wonder how to check that...) < 1442254123 858562 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1442254190 338278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh and brainfuck, I also feel that checking for a non-zero remainder after dividing by 2 may be impossible with 3 cells; after all this inability of getting information out of a division loop is what makes Fractran and related languages such an attractive target (because you can cheat, undoing speculative multiplications all the time) < 1442254348 655471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :applying the same trick to I/O, if you add a special output character that means "please disregard the last character" (something like backspace), that should "solve" the problem. < 1442254505 988507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1442254515 613119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i also realized that you can interleave junk output < 1442254604 647940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1442255007 992683 :S1!~S1FeHa@p4FF92E43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: We are the revolutionaries < 1442256586 345834 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1442257159 948776 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1442257337 633210 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know this? http://spritesmods.com/?art=rapidisnake < 1442257403 483662 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :video on page 5 < 1442257485 329992 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1442257521 777929 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 QUIT :Quit: I'm outta here < 1442257566 245267 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1442257722 884101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: heh < 1442257739 773153 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh indeed < 1442258207 893695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442258407 825544 :heddwch!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :Frankenheimer < 1442258469 158181 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1442258604 321396 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you guys expect a smart compiler to compute strlen every time in that loop? http://arin.ga/dpDMHa/raw < 1442258626 381954 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :both gcc and clang do < 1442258767 378421 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS < 1442258774 128482 :Frankenheimer!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :frankenstein < 1442258785 606982 :frankenstein!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :hethuh < 1442258936 238337 :hethuh!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :hedwig < 1442258964 191083 :hedwig!~heddwch@76.8.3.189 NICK :heddwch < 1442259147 196040 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1442259659 988117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: /me looks < 1442259703 921398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is the compiler allowed to assume that i isn't an element of argv[1]? < 1442259719 437751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By strict aliasing, yes. < 1442259722 373494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is because i is a local variable, and possibly also because it has the wrong type (not sure on that one) < 1442259745 313069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's allowed to assume getchar doesn't modify what argv points to, at least from general principles. < 1442259749 298473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it also allowed to assume that putchar doesn't change argv? I think no, unless it has putchar special-cased < 1442259755 845572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, yes < 1442259767 501656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the compiler can't assume what getchar/putchar do to main's arguments < 1442259782 425917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you could probably use setvbuf to shift the stdio buffer into memory you controlled < 1442259789 626386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then recursively call main using the same buffer as part of argv < 1442259798 430700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I… think I may have a new IOCCC idea < 1442260089 411515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Environment variables are stored near to the program arguments < 1442260318 839897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be a proper IOCCC entry I can't rely on system-specific things < 1442260326 896081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can definitely store things in stdio buffers < 1442260365 832422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycles.json went from 227428 to 347439 bytes when I added -1/0/1 numbers for all pairs/rounds in preparation for indicating the winner. < 1442260388 725462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not that bad < 1442260420 966954 :hppavilion[1]!~Lordofthe@74-114-87-72.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442260502 998078 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1442260557 234496 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1442260820 571357 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i was away < 1442260832 533809 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks for that < 1442260925 574853 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: putchar takes an int, not a pointer. how can that possibly change argv[1] ? < 1442260963 159358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: putchar writes to a stdio buffer < 1442260986 167920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the buffer isn't written to the screen immediately unless you do something to flush it (by default, this is writing '\n', but it's customizable) < 1442261000 625263 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see where you're going < 1442261012 651500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: now, suppose you call main recursively; you can give it a pointer to the stdio buffer (which is potentially under user control) in its argv < 1442261013 297488 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awful < 1442261024 79854 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but... i don't < 1442261026 278122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no rule in C saying you /can't/ do this < 1442261048 458345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your program could potentially be linked against a separate library that contains a recursive call to main (say you link against a custom libc) < 1442261057 758687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the compiler doesn't have enough information to know that you're not going to do that < 1442261062 859131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has to play it safe < 1442261082 769276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC has attributes you can use to mark "pure" functions, of which more assumptions can be made. (Of course, putchar can't be one.) < 1442261090 694872 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1442261177 921386 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scratches her head < 1442261188 15214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :restrict was invented for this, too < 1442261207 389473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if main's second argument was char *restrict *, then it'd know that argv isn't aliasing any global (including stdout) < 1442261215 80464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if main's second argument were < 1442261331 64916 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to change anything < 1442262226 298029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm good IOCCC idea, but what would you use it for that is interesting though? < 1442262232 668646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea yet < 1442262248 65935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some sort of scanf-based logic < 1442262291 49080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh yeah, you could scanf from and into that same buffer (possibly different parts of it) < 1442262348 830127 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you provided long enough arguments for there to be enough buffer to work with < 1442262369 766890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1442262519 639793 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw, how goes feather? Or is it dead? < 1442262520 767194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1442262535 151774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's no more dead than before < 1442262538 658861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think about it occasionally < 1442262554 845896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Underlambda Project actually shares some similarities with Feather, but is less insane < 1442262556 845089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1442262576 352227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But underlambda is also not done, right? < 1442262606 628313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1442262619 939598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, you actually remember what underlambda is? nobody else seems to :-P < 1442262654 385480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :over the years I've really made progress in pinning down the details, though < 1442262661 864257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just assumed -- from the name -- that it'd be (unlambda + underload) / 2. < 1442262671 365322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even found a way to do subtraction that I'm happy with < 1442262684 268377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's the etymology, and it's not a bad description < 1442262686 570750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't remember how it works no < 1442262691 699514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the resulting language is higher-level than that description would imply < 1442262691 876931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/bfjoust/vis/cycles/ now shows the winner in the subgraph. < 1442262693 13046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that it is a thing though < 1442262697 400360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks :-) < 1442262713 239512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it looks strange, I might ha... actually, I did. < 1442262723 244565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, one half of the scores are the wrong way around. < 1442262742 655922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is a blank page for me below the text? < 1442262756 663104 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, not adblock or noscript < 1442262856 823686 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1442262859 568424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be all that cross-platform. < 1442262877 615929 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, chromium on Debian wheezy < 1442262907 162916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checking firefox < 1442262919 837145 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay that works < 1442263000 598920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Chromium on Debian [something], too. < 1442263022 400020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Chromium 45.0.2454.85.) < 1442263029 339397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nope, the graph doesn't show up there < 1442263037 172512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version 37.0.2062.120 Built on Debian 7.6, running on Debian 7.9 (281580) (64-bit) < 1442263041 99939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, quite a bit older < 1442263047 47918 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm still running oldstable < 1442263054 426493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to update to stable < 1442263066 431971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point, good night for real now *turns off monitor* < 1442263066 612595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. I may have inadvertently relied on something modern somewhere. < 1442263084 834988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think d3 should be relatively portable, though, since it's so popular, so it's probably something I did. < 1442263295 91914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ooh, new visualisation idea: current position for each warrior at the end of the match < 1442263320 504505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice to see how "far" the loser got through the winner's decoys < 1442263400 631302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do some sort of a summarizer. You can of course see individual ones with the egojsout viewer. < 1442263430 388513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it's the summary that's more interesting < 1442263448 694304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you'd want to average over: opponents and tape lengths are the obvious things to average over though < 1442263714 868635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it doesn't work in IE 11 either hth < 1442263737 775918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Does it just not show up? < 1442263757 782189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, nothing below the text < 1442263780 783936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except space < 1442263812 933657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1442263824 523027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll test it when I boot to Windows next. In fact, could do that now. < 1442263837 570454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking about going 10, despite everything. < 1442264092 931309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you stay away from the edge < 1442264101 470584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Edge, that is < 1442264491 404623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Math.log10 was something very new, it seems. < 1442264508 278844 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1442264521 384536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works from Chrome 38 onwards; Vorpal managed to pick the newest non-working Chrome. < 1442264641 769394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll patch it in when I'm next *away* from Windows. This dual boot thing is kind of inconvenient. I have git here in Winland, but not e.g. the SSH keys for uploading a fixed version, or rsync... wait, since when do I have rsync? < 1442264673 943712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the console is bash. Am I actually in Windows at all? < 1442264691 366534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I've made an effort to make this feel homely. < 1442264768 312166 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why even boot windows? < 1442264832 29947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games maybe twice a year, in my case. < 1442264869 267992 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of games for linux < 1442264893 665559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the wrong ones. < 1442264987 92894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think about half of my Steam library is Windows-only. Can't recall the exact number. < 1442265378 969106 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1442265795 342028 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* 10New user account < 1442265894 159798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1442266696 849011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44194 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+26) 10Created page with "== Syball == == Symball ==" < 1442266713 139141 :MercurialHg!~Protheus@94.123.199.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442266976 711680 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-66-163.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1442267126 73495 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1442267267 952696 :Protheus_!~Protheus@94.123.203.207 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442267484 430703 :MercurialHg!~Protheus@94.123.199.248 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1442267498 546164 :Protheus_!~Protheus@94.123.203.207 NICK :MercurialHg < 1442267522 968889 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/11856221/Humans-may-accidentally-send-aliens-a-computer-virus.html wtf? < 1442267524 734872 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1442267564 537884 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I guess poorly designed alien equipment might malfunction if it interprets signals from space as machine code because aliens are idiots, but... a virus? < 1442267848 961422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too lazy to make the independence day joke < 1442267945 125086 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44195&oldid=44194 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+3020) 10 < 1442268052 331861 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a polite way to tell your healer that it's not ok to disconnect in the middle of a dungeon < 1442268074 135579 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44196&oldid=44166 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+14) 10/* S */ < 1442268214 813905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile < 1442268231 373810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason when i middle click in chrome it opens anywhere from one to four new tabs < 1442268247 522613 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very exciting < 1442268336 374879 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c0f875.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the mistake of reading comments on a news site < 1442268518 259634 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1442268892 936309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My left click sometimes doubleclicks on its own, so I get 1-2 tabs when ctrl-clicking. < 1442268987 748303 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. middle click? < 1442269008 230600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It also drops items when dragging. < 1442269021 207549 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1442269026 11258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the right click only clicks on every third or so attempt. < 1442269031 797381 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1442269048 575214 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite suboptimal. < 1442269069 854712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1442269071 48429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the new mouse from Amazon instead scrolls on its own when in the free-spinning mode I've gotten very used to. < 1442269088 130931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scroll wheel has an orientation it likes, and it returns to it by gravity. < 1442269108 536157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scrolling up to a page's worth up and down after every operation, depending on the angle it was left at. < 1442269136 707832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the replacement for that is somewhere in France, and will be delivered a week from now, even though they said they'll use the fastest possible shipping method. < 1442269169 808043 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's suboptimouse. < 1442269221 758082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard "The House of the Mouse" is a term people use of the Disney corporation. < 1442269355 495168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, finnish deliveries are low-priority and don't occasion the use of a plane < 1442269357 989352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or boat < 1442269360 620709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or car < 1442269363 708455 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bicycle < 1442269519 538941 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phellontom_Hoover. < 1442269536 101861 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying Finnish deliveries are made by foot? < 1442269542 690270 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by submarines? < 1442269549 937293 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by ICBM? < 1442269561 899837 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :motorbike < 1442269573 526107 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trains < 1442269592 287518 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trikes < 1442269630 29194 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicycles would be awesome < 1442269648 550034 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be? unicycles are real < 1442269655 678018 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd appreciate someone in the front of my door on a unicycle with a package for me < 1442269685 242909 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i mean as a delivering tool < 1442269707 938907 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also unitandems, that would be even more awesome < 1442269752 823913 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mynamello. < 1442269755 148032 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unitandems? < 1442269768 478720 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unitandems. < 1442271071 832573 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1442272619 568358 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gVd Eving < 1442272634 984339 :MercurialHg!~Protheus@94.123.203.207 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1442272720 315345 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not Evning? < 1442272722 896136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Symball14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44197&oldid=44195 5* 03GoogolPlanck 5* (+1) 10/* Docs */ < 1442272761 337521 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wAt, Dat SVd bE EvniG < 1442273415 118798 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :symball is neat. not that special, but slim and you can obfuscate great < 1442273446 211435 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am temoted to write symball code that is valid with two different reading offsets < 1442273462 990937 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tempted < 1442273828 505132 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren_! < 1442273852 558412 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some kind of klingonified English spelling? < 1442274477 736601 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :klingon? < 1442274479 768732 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1442274512 610267 :oren_!~oren@65.94.102.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/speliG.htm