00:00:36 oren, anyone who likes good music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3z7gfeJw0g 00:16:41 tswett: I'm not sure what they mean by top & bottom if two of those sides aren't it 00:18:26 -!- mitchs_ has left. 00:24:23 Sgeo_: cool! 00:32:49 -!- atslash has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 00:36:58 * oerjan crosses himself off the list of people who like good music 00:42:00 -!- darkl0ck_ has joined. 00:43:31 -!- darkl0ck has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:46:01 That reminds me of that one thing that I can't remember the name of. 00:46:31 is it amortization hth 00:47:22 `? fizzie 00:47:23 fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the king of #esoteric, see http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/fizziecoin.jpg 00:47:29 is it fnord 00:47:33 also, "faces" is probably more standard terminology than "sides" 00:48:03 SO GENE RAY IS ENTIRELY CORRECT hth 00:48:46 oerjan: No, it was that Manbo-dead-behind-the-house-P thing. 00:50:28 oerjan: why didn't durkon use disruption again in olist 429 like in 104 twh 00:55:19 shachaf: well the sword is starmetal now. otherwise i dunno. 00:55:36 @google disruption d&d 00:55:37 http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Disruption 00:55:37 Title: SRD:Disruption - D&D Wiki 00:56:07 seems p. effective 00:56:14 isn't the sword just as non-bludgeoning as before? 00:56:33 i just noticed that 00:57:01 perhaps it's http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/disruptingWeapon.htm 00:57:14 but perhaps his phylactery is negating the effect? 00:57:36 he had the phylactery before too 00:57:37 because surely rich cannot just have messed up. 00:57:48 shachaf: yes, but roy didn't _know_ he had 00:57:57 he was surprised that xykon came back 00:58:03 ok but last time xykon destroyed the sword 00:59:10 that is true, so the theory hasn't been properly tested 01:01:16 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 01:09:07 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 01:12:46 oren, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGrdGXDcoGU there's a comment that seems to have some more background 01:23:42 -!- llue has joined. 01:26:49 -!- lleu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:35:36 oerjan: so what's with olist 963 01:36:35 so what's with not using urls 01:37:44 http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0963.html 01:37:50 hthyh 01:38:46 well back when i read it, it obviously seemed to be about something (demi-)humanlike the demon was incapable of grasping 01:38:59 i was thinking that's how they'd figure durkon out 01:39:05 and i fully expected it to come up as ... precisely 01:39:12 so now what twh 01:39:16 but it seems a bit late now 01:39:26 maybe it'll come up soon 01:39:47 I've seen speculation that Durkon can give Durkon misleading memories regarding combat style, and further speculation that this is already happening 01:39:49 they won't be sure whether it's true durkon or what 01:40:39 the problem is, if they don't notice that the demon durkon is different _before_ resurrecting the true one, then i don't see how it will help afterwards 01:41:02 maybe something comes up where they have to keep it alive 01:41:07 or something 01:45:06 Is Roy as talkative as HPoH thinks? I don't remember, but I think Roy is willing to fight when necessary, and HPoH... doesn't realize? 01:46:30 shachaf: hm i suppose if the resurrection _fails_ at getting rid of "HPoH", it could matter. 01:46:44 oh, that would be interesting 01:49:10 Sgeo_: hm did HPoH learn that "fact" in one of durkon's flashbacks? 01:49:23 (that we saw, that is) 01:49:58 http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1001.html not a directly seen flashback, but HPoH references an event suggesting that 01:50:08 (Which was in On The Origins of PCs) 01:51:19 that's the reference i was talking about, i haven't read that book 01:53:10 oerjan: it's now available for the first time in digital pdf format from gumroad hth 01:54:18 THX 01:56:23 * Sgeo_ also bought Dungeon Crawlin' Fools because bonus comics and commentary and I have more money than sense 01:56:56 > minimumBy (comparing length) ["oots", "olist"] 01:56:58 "oots" 01:57:32 :t comparing length 01:57:33 Foldable t => t a -> t a -> Ordering 01:58:27 > sortBy (comparing length) [Just 'h', Just 'i', Nothing, Nothing] 01:58:29 [Nothing,Nothing,Just 'h',Just 'i'] 01:58:39 FTP, so fancy 01:59:17 they don't serve it over HTTP? 02:00:14 * oerjan isn't sure if shachaf is making the too obvious pun or being whooshed 02:00:51 if you're talking about a haskell-related acronym that is three letters long and ends in P, i refuse to acknowledge any such thing 02:00:56 i hate them all 02:01:07 and anyone who comes up with one of those is terrible 02:01:21 just make an AAP hth 02:02:27 are there more than two that originated with haskell 02:03:18 * oerjan wonders if it was a bad idea to make his GND proposal while SPJ was on holiday 02:04:10 oh right PVP too 02:04:20 so at least three 02:04:55 actually i think they changed AMP to FAM or something 02:05:03 not only with haskell, with the same person 02:05:15 you don't have to name everything 02:05:17 disgusting 02:05:33 was it HVR 02:06:15 no 02:06:30 Driving in CA makes me grumpy. I should do it less. 02:06:41 was it edwardk 02:07:06 no 02:07:10 i shouldn't have talked about it 02:07:48 and i didn't mean to single that person out 02:11:06 shachaf: i understand your name has three letters and ends with P tdnh 02:11:26 look 02:11:30 we should just all hug it out 02:11:49 @hug 02:11:49 http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug 02:29:52 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:45:04 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:55:56 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:50:38 -!- mauris has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:58:56 I'm making Disarray: The World's Crappiest Game Engine 04:03:41 If anyone has any esoteric suggestions for it, feel free to say 04:06:26 -!- Danger1 has joined. 04:09:13 If arrays are 1-dimensional variables, and scalars are 0-dimensional variables, Disarray should use -1-dimensional variables 04:09:49 Sgeo_: Disarray is a pun on Unity 04:10:12 I suppose you could take the view that arrays are 2-dimensional, scalars 1-dimensional, so you should use 0-dimensional variables, but that's boring 04:10:17 -!- Danger1 has left. 04:30:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 04:39:06 -!- spiette has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 05:01:41 -!- mauris has joined. 05:14:01 -!- APic has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:29:53 -!- mauris has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:30:17 -!- mauris has joined. 05:36:20 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:46:32 -!- mauris_ has joined. 05:46:32 -!- mauris_ has quit (Changing host). 05:46:32 -!- mauris_ has joined. 05:49:22 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 06:28:35 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 06:38:07 -!- aloril has joined. 06:50:15 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 06:52:53 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:01:30 -!- mauris has joined. 07:03:46 -!- mauris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:10:05 -!- APic has joined. 07:19:53 oerjan: we changed the burning bridges proposal (BBP) to the Foldable/Traversable Proposal (FTP) is that what you mean? 07:19:58 AMP remained AMP 07:20:25 i thought i saw somewhere a different acronym for AMP 07:20:34 which included Functor 07:21:51 edwardk: ^ 07:22:01 nah 07:22:04 AMP stayed 07:22:10 its even in a ghc command line thing 07:22:13 -fwarn-amp 07:22:18 so its never changing =) 07:22:24 ha 07:23:38 Ugh. 07:23:42 I hate GHC now. 07:24:16 The only saving grace is that GHC doesn't care about breaking backwards compatibility. 07:26:43 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 07:28:16 hppavilion[1]: i think, esoOS should have roguelike elements 07:28:59 Interesting idea... 07:30:05 after each boot, commands are assigned to functions randomly 07:30:25 and there need to be mechanisms to determine the type of commands 07:33:59 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 07:34:31 Interesting idea 07:34:35 Wait 07:34:38 Already said that 07:34:48 Like, could the mechanism be trial and error? 07:35:22 myname? 07:35:23 my first idea was to let builtins and /tmp always unchanged 07:35:36 OK 07:35:38 Or? 07:36:08 so you could do echo "foo" > /tmp/bar 07:36:32 and if there is a file bar with cobtebt fooy, you know echo and > work as expected 07:37:10 if you get file not found, it could be because > is assigned to < or | 07:37:16 or echo works differently 07:38:24 OK 07:38:57 Intesting... 07:39:24 So commands and redirectors get shuffled on boot? 07:39:45 yeah 07:42:22 Cool 07:42:34 I'm thinking about making the filesys a self-balancing binary tree 07:42:38 Just for the lulz 07:42:49 But that'd make programming /impossible/ 07:44:07 why? 07:44:34 Why do that or why would it make programming impossible? 07:47:06 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:47:52 second 07:49:43 Well 07:49:50 Not LITERALLY impossible 07:49:53 But very hard 07:50:13 Because when you can't organize files in a logical matter 07:50:16 It's harder to do 07:52:09 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:03:57 [wiki] [[ShortScript]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43989 * YourDeathIsComing * (+909) Created page with "ShortScript(SS) i an work in progress programming language for code golfing. 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hthyh 14:58:02 hthyh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 14:58:53 `le/rn hthyh/"hthyh" is a common typo for "tithe". 14:58:55 Learned «hthyh» 15:01:10 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:12:21 -!- stalem has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:32:07 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:14:39 it stands for "hope that helps, your highness" 16:30:11 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:35:40 -!- mauris has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:36:03 -!- mauris has joined. 16:36:03 -!- mauris has quit (Changing host). 16:36:03 -!- mauris has joined. 16:42:26 -!- bb010g has joined. 16:54:09 -!- idris-bot has quit (Quit: Terminated). 16:55:26 -!- Melvar has quit (Quit: rebooting). 16:56:32 -!- atslash has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 16:59:57 -!- Melvar has joined. 17:03:27 -!- idris-bot has joined. 17:06:54 -!- FireFly has quit (Changing host). 17:06:54 -!- FireFly has joined. 17:07:20 [wiki] [[Algebra]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43995&oldid=43965 * Rdococ * (+20) 17:14:22 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:25:40 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 17:29:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 17:30:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 17:31:38 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: BBS). 17:35:22 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:39:07 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 17:42:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 17:43:35 -!- FireFly has joined. 17:51:18 -!- mauris has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:51:29 -!- FreeFull has joined. 17:51:47 -!- mauris has joined. 17:54:22 -!- llue has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 18:06:56 -!- lleu has joined. 18:07:20 -!- mihow has joined. 18:16:49 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:18:40 Is there any web browser that follows a client-daemon model? 18:19:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:22:54 -!- impomatic_ has joined. 18:23:54 oerjan: http://spirituality.chat/ hth 18:30:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:33:23 FreeFull: Chrome Remote Desktop could be considered that, if you stretch the definitions as far as they go, but not really. 18:34:06 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 18:44:23 An ingredient-oriented Programming Langauge would be interesting 18:44:32 As in, you have a pool of ingredients 18:45:06 And you combine them in a combinatorical fashion in a given environment to produce results 18:45:11 Using up ingredients in the process 18:45:47 I'm sure it'd be useful in Information Security or something, in that you use up "ingredients" as you do it and thus need to know exactly what you want when you start 18:45:53 So if you do it well, there isn't any leak 18:45:53 -!- nycs has joined. 18:46:28 Hi, nycs! 18:47:23 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:47:29 ais523? 18:47:49 hppavilion[1]: have you seen affine typing? 18:47:53 No 18:47:58 Googling it now 18:48:32 hello 18:48:35 -!- nycs has changed nick to `^_^v. 18:48:55 ais523: Can't find any english resources on it 18:49:17 seriously? I'd have thought it was better known than that 18:49:34 but the idea's that you can only use a function argument once, you can't copy it or use it multiple times 18:49:45 Interesting 18:49:57 What's it used for? 18:49:58 There are certainly resources on affine types. 18:50:02 hmm, Wikipedia's entry seems to be here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affine_logic 18:50:05 And affine logic. 18:50:07 Ah 18:50:09 (logics and type systems have a 1-to-1 correspondence) 18:50:17 and I use it in my day job 18:50:18 @google affine typing 18:50:19 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substructural_type_system 18:50:36 I actually used DDG 18:50:50 shachaf: it's one sentence in that article 18:51:00 I just used the word "Google" because it's more understandable 18:51:00 Wikipedia doesn't have much information about affine typing/logic, really 18:51:22 I prefer the idea of ingredients-oriented programming 18:51:41 stdout(echo, "Hello, World!") 18:51:46 Forunately there are other results. 18:52:02 Anyway the "resources" interpretation of linear logic only goes so far, as far as I know. 18:52:06 That's "Mix echo and 'Hello, World!' in the STDOUT" 18:52:25 shachaf: the research in that direction mostly seems to be along the lines of "coeffects" nowadays 18:52:33 with the problem being that nobody seems to be able to coherently state what a coeffect is 18:52:50 I have not heard of coeffects. 18:52:58 (you use comonads rather than monads to represent them in pure languages like Haskell, that much is widely agreed on) 18:53:47 first relevant duckduckgo result seems to be this one: http://tomasp.net/academic/ 18:53:59 Yes. 18:54:08 (there are a lot of irrelevant ones beforehand) 18:54:24 Oh, it was the first Google result. 18:54:41 that's because Google results depend on who's searching, and so Google had a decent idea of which meaning of "coeffect" you likely wanted 18:54:55 whereas duckduckgo results don't, and thus it can't allow for the fact that we probably want an academic/CS definition 18:54:57 I use Incognito Mode for all Google searches. 18:55:06 hmm, I wonder how much that helps 18:55:08 I mean, I'd hope it helps 18:56:12 [wiki] [[Ingredients-Oriented Paradigm]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43996 * Hppavilion1 * (+561) Created Page 18:56:29 also, a review of my webserver logs show that basically everyone either enters URLs manually or doesn't send referers nowadays 18:56:35 who visits my site, at least 18:56:45 and a noticeable minority send referers that can't possibly be correct, i.e. are faking them 18:56:51 Probably they get directed from https: sites, whereas yours is an http: site? 18:57:07 Browsers don't send referers in that case. 18:57:18 oh yes, that would make sense 19:00:59 [wiki] [[Ingredients-Oriented Paradigm]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43997&oldid=43996 * Hppavilion1 * (+342) Ingredients and Utensils 19:09:51 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:11:59 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 19:17:39 -!- stalem has joined. 19:24:33 [wiki] [[Algebra]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43998&oldid=43995 * Rdococ * (+12) updated 19:25:25 [wiki] [[Ingredients-Oriented Paradigm]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43999&oldid=43997 * Hppavilion1 * (+1161) Extended the article 19:26:33 [wiki] [[Ingredients-Oriented Paradigm]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44000&oldid=43999 * Hppavilion1 * (-2) changed a word for clarity 19:27:20 imo people suck at making esolangs :( 19:27:37 teach them 19:27:59 i also suck! 19:28:00 delicious oriented paradigm 19:28:12 I know I suck at making esolangs... 19:28:19 it's because my ideas aren't esoteric enough 19:28:27 and are actually innovative 19:34:02 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (*.net *.split). 19:34:02 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (*.net *.split). 19:34:02 -!- aretecode has quit (*.net *.split). 19:34:02 -!- myndzi has quit (*.net *.split). 19:34:03 -!- rodgort has quit (*.net *.split). 19:34:31 i've always wanted to make one about chemistry but i'm bad at chemistry, whooops 19:34:54 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 19:34:54 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 19:34:54 -!- aretecode has joined. 19:36:39 -!- rodgort has joined. 19:39:11 i've also always wanted to make one that's very difficult for computers to interpret, but for a less boring reason than IRP 19:39:25 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 19:40:04 maybe something like... you need to run some real-life processes that are deterministic but extremely difficult to simulate? 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What language is that? 20:48:41 FreeFull: http://esolangs.org/wiki/WUUI 20:51:39 [wiki] [[Shove]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=44005&oldid=35344 * Ais523 * (+15) /* External resources */ sprunge links aren't permalinks; good thing I happened to have the original around and could rehost it 20:51:41 Says if the output diverges, the program is restarted again. But is there any means to have diverging output? Is there input? 20:51:41 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:51:50 FreeFull: there's a lot of randomness involved 20:52:07 something like until(x[257]/1000); output; 20:52:13 will pretty much output a random byte 20:52:17 Ah, I see, random increases and decreases 20:53:43 hmm, I've been playing around in this space quite a bit, I think 20:53:49 e.g. /ˈæmbiːɛf/ 20:54:15 but WUUI is better, because a) it doesn't fit neatly into any paradigm I've seen (it's closest to declarative), and b) it isn't a BF derivative 20:54:59 in retrospect, a decent part of my esolanging career has been driven by my hatred of Java2K 20:55:31 what 20:55:42 that sounds like a strange motivation 20:56:03 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 20:56:15 b_jonas: have you seen Java2K? :-( 20:56:36 no 20:56:41 but I don't see how that's connected to esolangs 20:56:55 b_jonas: Java2K is an esolang 20:56:59 sure 20:57:05 but how does it motivate you in making more esolangs? 20:57:15 b_jonas: because it had an interesting premise and completely wasted it 20:57:47 ah, so it's a _bad_ esolang 20:57:49 I see 20:57:51 yes 20:57:57 -!- TieSoul has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:59:07 ais523: what is the probability of a cell oing 0 -> 1? 20:59:21 coppro: 1/3 I guess, although it doesn't really conceptuallly matter 20:59:26 *conceptually 20:59:36 especially as the probabilities are approximate anyway 21:02:46 ais523: in WUUI, does only zero count as false? 21:03:08 b_jonas: yep 21:03:11 although division rounds down 21:03:16 so you can effectively compare to a constant via dividing by it 21:03:51 -!- Patashu has joined. 21:03:52 wait, division rounds down? ok 21:03:57 um 21:04:04 rounds down or rounds towards zero? 21:04:19 the page says "rounds downwards towards zero" which is strange 21:04:21 which of the two? 21:04:27 is it truncating division or flooring division? 21:04:32 oh wait 21:04:33 both! we only use nonnegative integers 21:04:39 the array contains only nonnegative integers? 21:04:40 hmm 21:05:02 what happens if the value of a cell would decrease under zero? 21:05:12 it doesn't 21:05:38 so it's as if it the random walk was mirrored around -1/2, not around 0? 21:05:49 I guess that's one way to think about it 21:06:00 ok 21:10:17 and when is the memory modified? after each statement? it's not modified between evaluating subexpressions, or within an output; statement, right? 21:10:36 after the test of each while/until/unless/if instruction 21:10:49 ok 21:12:33 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 21:12:35 hmm, this WUUI language indeed looks scary and esoteric 21:13:22 thanks 21:17:30 [wiki] [[Flower]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=44006 * Rdococ * (+781) Flower, the first turing complete language I have thought of in a while 21:21:16 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 21:27:51 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 21:34:55 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 21:42:41 -!- atslash has joined. 21:44:33 -!- FireFly has joined. 21:45:11 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:46:50 -!- atslash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:47:37 -!- atslash has joined. 21:50:31 -!- ais523 has quit. 21:57:54 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 21:59:34 -!- darkl0ck_ has changed nick to darkl0ck. 21:59:42 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 22:00:35 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:01:30 -!- stalem has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:02:38 If Java is also a bad language, wouldn't that mean that Java2K is an accurate satire of Java? 22:05:30 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 22:06:19 -!- impomatic_ has quit (Quit: http://corewar.co.uk). 22:16:36 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 22:20:45 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:27:02 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 22:35:12 -!- |f`-`|f has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 22:39:23 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:41:21 -!- hppavilion[1] has set topic: The font of all knowledge | The channel where Sir Fungellot does not. | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/. 22:41:27 That makes more sense to me 22:41:46 The word fnord wouldn't be redacted, you just wouldn't see it 22:54:02 -!- Frooxius has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 22:54:58 fungot can see fnord. 22:54:58 Jafet: people can get over the 14g trinet upload limits." when asked, chat a bit about ircd programming :) i even don't understand your comment 22:55:12 Or perhaps not. 22:55:40 fungot 22:55:40 shachaf: the war is over. i don't know 22:59:29 -!- Frooxius has joined. 23:02:48 -!- FireFly has joined. 23:24:18 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds).