00:07:05 You know what'd be interesting? 00:07:09 XML-based CSS 00:07:14 And CSS-like Markup 00:08:14 But I'll save that for later 00:08:27 Because right /now/ I need to design CLS 00:09:16 installing touhou 14 00:09:28 and a few other games 00:11:45 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 00:12:07 If they were to add a fourth langauge to the browser-based Web Design Trio, what do you think it'd do> 00:12:12 s/>/? 00:15:06 -!- rdococ has joined. 00:15:44 Hi, rdococ! 00:20:30 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:22:26 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 00:27:35 @tell izabera 1. BGBBB 2. GBGBBB 3. GBBBBB <-- well obviously _not_ 2. my hunch is 1 but i don't see how to conclusively prove it without calculation. 00:27:35 Consider it noted. 00:27:54 oerjan: BOBBY 00:28:17 http://www.mrbillsadventureland.com/reviews/m-n/neverhoodR/BOBBY.jpg 00:29:23 shachaf: i'm sorry but neither orange nor yellow was included hth 00:29:58 whoa whoa whoa 00:30:05 now i can't tell whether you played the neverhood or what 00:30:16 i didn't hth 00:31:05 ok well there's a puzzle where the correct answer is a sequence of five colors 00:31:24 and it says BOBBY on the machine 00:31:25 that's all 00:31:28 those are not all five colors hth 00:34:13 black orange black black yellow 00:34:48 is that a mana cost? 00:44:13 Oh 00:44:15 My 00:44:16 God 00:44:27 CSS4 added something evil 00:44:33 text-decoration: blink; 00:49:09 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:49:20 Yeah 00:49:33 That is shown on my Ansi codes page 00:49:58 http://www.orenwatson.be/ansi.htm 00:50:20 @tell Taneb I think UK and Sweden have an explicit opt-out so they never need to switch <-- denmark, not sweden, although sweden is using tricks to avoid it. 00:50:20 Consider it noted. 00:50:44 can canada join the eu? 00:50:53 our currency is in the shit 00:51:05 -!- adu has joined. 00:52:04 if the eu wanted to accept them... 00:52:16 but right now, that seems unlikely. 00:53:14 boo hoo 00:53:21 they're still keeping that nominal "european" requirement. 00:53:43 maybe canada can join the uk 00:53:52 shachaf: GOOD IDEA! 00:54:16 -!- lleu has joined. 00:54:24 -!- llue has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 00:54:42 the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland, and Big Scotland 00:54:57 CSS4 did not add text-decoration: blink;. That exists in CSS1 http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS1/#text-decoration CSS2.1 http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/text.html#propdef-text-decoration and CSS3 https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/#propdef-text-decoration-line 00:57:24 I don't think there is any CSS level 4 module defining text-decoration, anyway. Just selectors and stuff. 00:57:25 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 00:57:50 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 01:16:04 < oerjan> but right now, that seems unlikely. 01:16:04 20:52 < oren> boo hoo 01:21:55 What you cannot do in CSS is to select based on applied styles, nor can you apply sophisticated priorities. I would find these features useful. 01:22:51 So you can neither add "text-decoration: blink" working nor prevent it from working in any general way with user CSS. 01:23:13 What you can do though is to make tags to blink by using CSS animations. 01:23:54 You also cannot easily select the parent element of something 01:24:13 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 01:26:21 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:59:07 -!- adu has joined. 02:16:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:26:23 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDream. 02:27:21 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:40:30 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:53:57 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:23:19 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 03:51:34 I am no using this thru cygwin 03:51:41 s/no/now/ 03:59:26 -!- copumpkin has joined. 04:00:12 -!- ProofTechnique has joined. 04:14:25 -!- zgrep has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.6.1 - http://znc.in). 04:22:18 there. I finally figured out how to turn off all these annoying applelike gestures 04:22:54 -!- zgrep has joined. 04:23:52 Gestures of what? 04:24:51 -!- mauris_ has changed nick to mauris. 04:27:18 the touchpad 04:27:34 like pinching to zoom and whatnot 04:28:50 -!- ProofTechnique has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:31:16 I found the setting in the control panel and turned everything off except stroking the right edge of the touchpad for scrolling. 04:33:11 I also turned off the pointer inertia, it does nothing but screw up the respoinsiveness 04:39:41 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 04:47:05 I noticed something today. If you want to find out the sorted order of 3 variables there are six possible results. However if you test the order pairwise it takes 3 tests with binary results meaning you waste an average of 41% of one of the tests. So the obvious solution is to use hexanary logic, but I'm curious if there is some more general solution. 04:50:42 you can drop the last test in 1/3 of the cases fwiw 04:59:32 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 05:00:59 or you can just only sort large arrays 05:01:12 stop sorting small ones dude 05:01:17 oerjan yes you can but that requires you to mix the tests together 05:01:40 bogosort doesn't work so well on the large ones 05:03:07 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 05:25:54 -!- aretecode has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 05:28:28 -!- Wright has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:39:17 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 05:40:19 -!- loldude has joined. 05:42:18 -!- loldude has quit (Client Quit). 05:54:45 oerjan: yes, I know it's restarted, but it has still *completed*. 05:58:43 fiendish 06:00:11 oerjan: what do you think of the plan to borrow vaarsuvius's soul at a tactically critical moment 06:01:45 well it worked once... 06:02:05 hmph 06:02:12 you won't even give me the satisfaction 06:02:15 and they have two more options 06:02:36 iirc 06:02:40 what satisfaction 06:03:29 anyway, that moment isn't now, since e's not even present at the moot 06:04:47 i just wanted you to say it's fiendish 06:04:49 i suppose a more general question is whether the 3 fiends are working together with durkon-the-vampire or not 06:04:54 ...oh 06:05:45 that's weird, before i looked at what you had written i briefly thought it would be a comment on "fiendish", and then once i read it i completely forgot 06:05:53 conclusion: my memory is fiendish 06:07:25 i'll have my revenge 06:07:34 and it will be a fine dish 06:07:38 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Superkamiguru * New user account 06:08:02 it didn't help that i checked for a new comic to see if it was relevant 06:08:55 shachaf: i just checked and i'm not sure fiendish is pronounced that way. 06:09:29 in your defence i thought it did 06:09:42 i was on defence about it myself 06:09:46 [wiki] [[NSFW]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43908 * Superkamiguru * (+246) Created page with "{{stub}} NSFW is an esoteric programming language created with Scala by Mihir Khatwani based on [http://esolangs.org/wiki/ArnoldC ArnoldC]. The source is available [https://g..." 06:11:34 [wiki] [[Language list]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43909&oldid=43902 * Superkamiguru * (+11) 06:12:30 -!- glowcoil has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 06:13:27 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Hörrible). 06:13:47 https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Maxsteele2#Languages wow all of these 06:14:45 -!- glowcoil has joined. 06:17:42 all of them are crap 06:18:18 -!- x10A94 has joined. 06:49:25 myname: i think you're just jealous. 06:54:03 yeah, no 07:01:50 [wiki] [[Brainfuck]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43910&oldid=43430 * Rdebath * (-4) Update the "more complex variant" to my current version. Gives visual error on all known trivial interpreter bugs, works correctly on >= 7bit and unbounded interpreters, fails on fascist interpreters. 07:05:30 i wonder how old they are 07:10:47 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 07:31:49 at least there are no brainfuck equivalents 07:40:05 -!- Trioxin2 has changed nick to Trioxin. 07:55:00 it's something 07:57:29 yay my interpreter prints "Hello world!" 07:57:53 not buggy \o/ 07:57:53 | 07:57:53 |\ 08:00:17 http://edgecats.net/ 08:05:48 (reload that page) 08:14:02 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Puzzlang i don't get the incrementor and the first clear cell 08:26:50 myname: those segments are all on a very tiny torus 08:27:25 ? 08:27:50 so they actually wrap https://bpaste.net/show/d860dddaced1 08:28:08 the first X has ";; " above it etc 08:28:29 Average BMI in Australia is around 27 o_O 08:28:58 This can mean two things. Either they're all surprisingly fit 08:29:03 or the opposite of that. 08:30:39 ah 08:31:28 but where does it start parsing? 08:32:24 i.e. why isn't the thee surrounding ; a ]? 08:32:36 there has to be at least one x? 08:33:02 -!- Patashu has joined. 08:34:42 :D measuring weight in adult koalas 08:34:45 srsy 08:35:59 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:40:30 -!- tromp__ has joined. 08:42:10 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:00:29 -!- shikhin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:00:48 -!- Trioxin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:02:06 -!- Trioxin has joined. 09:04:52 -!- shikhin has joined. 09:19:36 -!- Trioxin has quit (Quit: Leaving). 09:35:40 Are the single-width floats a subset of double-width floats? 09:37:53 for their nominal values, yes. 09:39:24 Thought so, thanks 09:51:17 I'm not sure if the various different NaNs are "officially" considered a subset. 09:52:25 As in, if some group of double-precision NaNs are the "same" as single-precision NaNs. But maybe that's not a particularly interesting question. 09:53:58 http://mroman.ch/lang1.html http://mroman.ch/lang2.html <- does anybody see something that would be impossible in those? 09:53:58 I don't think any NaNs are the same as themselves 09:54:09 NaNs seem like such a waste of space 09:54:22 How many values of floating points are NaNs? 09:54:25 (specifically the second one) 09:54:55 Slereah__: 2^52-1 double-precision ones. 09:55:07 And 2^23-1 single-precision ones. 09:55:45 Sorry, add one to those; I forgot the sign bit. 09:55:46 I have no idea what these types are called btw. 09:56:04 existential types? 09:56:28 (There's one particular value for the exponent field that's used for both infinities and NaNs. If the mantissa is 0, it's +inf or -inf depending on sign; if it's anything nonzero, it's some kind of NaN.) 09:58:34 How many non-NaN values are there? 10:02:03 2^32 and 2^64 10:02:06 Well 10:02:10 That - the NaNs 10:02:26 Pretty small percentage but still a huge amount 10:03:06 Oh yeah, 2^64 - 2^52 is not 2^12 10:03:13 Jeez, I am not well 10:03:34 Is there a floating point scheme with just one NaN value 10:04:00 Not in the same sort of style as IEEE 10:04:22 Actually 10:04:31 If the mantissa only has one bit... 10:04:35 There'd be two NaNs 10:04:36 Hmm 10:05:03 I kind of think it makes sense to have a specific "special" exponent dedicated for infinities, and there's not an obvious use for the "other" bit patterns then. 10:05:44 There'd be two NaNs and you could only represent NaN, +-infinity, and +- powers of 2 10:06:39 Taneb: Also 1.5*n^2. 10:07:24 Oh yes 10:07:26 Assuming the usual implicit 1. 10:18:11 -!- boily has joined. 10:45:55 -!- Walpurgisnacht has joined. 10:49:22 oren: ヘロレン! 「東方」はどうですか 10:52:04 [wiki] [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43911&oldid=43824 * 81.156.87.102 * (+68) Added Fourier 11:02:27 @metar PAIW 11:02:27 PAIW 251034Z AUTO 19020G27KT 2 1/2SM -RA BR OVC004 09/09 A2963 RMK AO2 PK WND 18028/1020 PNO $ 11:02:59 Mm 11:10:54 Mm? 11:11:17 Mhmm 11:11:35 I was entering in values by hand again 11:11:58 Probably will get it wrong this time but it passes the time 11:16:52 values? hand? time??? 11:17:02 you're talking about way too much abstract concepts here. 11:20:24 Amplituhedron 11:22:27 well I never! 11:22:33 -!- boily has quit (Quit: COMMUNIST CHICKEN). 11:22:44 hahha 11:22:49 Funny 11:27:28 -!- Walpurgisnacht has quit (Quit: Fuck me). 11:54:01 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 12:04:42 good morning 12:24:48 moin 12:25:26 morening? :/ 12:38:43 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: BBS). 12:45:26 -!- FreeFull has joined. 12:51:41 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:52:38 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 13:05:08 -!- llue has joined. 13:07:27 -!- lleu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:11:24 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 13:11:50 [wiki] [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Esowiki201529A * uploaded "[[File:Sesame oil sample.jpg]]" 13:19:36 -!- `^_^v has joined. 13:21:24 http://i.imgur.com/sfGREzy.png two minutes of wikipedia 13:23:16 Ugh, that time again? 13:39:24 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:55:48 -!- TieSoul has joined. 14:00:35 -!- TieSoul has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:01:50 -!- TieSoul has joined. 14:09:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:36:29 `? Tanebventions 14:36:35 Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, the universe, weetoflakes, persistence, the reals, robots, progress, and this sentence. He never invents anything involving sex. 14:36:45 `? progress 14:36:45 Progress has been made today. It was invented by Taneb. 14:36:52 `? robots 14:36:53 Robots are deterministic finite Belgians that repeat themselves. Taneb invented them. 14:39:02 `? the universe 14:39:03 The universe was invented by Taneb as an opposing force to oerjan. 14:39:17 `? persistence 14:39:18 Taneb invented persistence long ago, and it's been around ever since. 14:39:27 Wow, I invent a lot of things 14:48:44 `quote binomial 14:48:46 1146) I am NOT in the mood for binomial expansion 14:50:03 which mood does it take? 14:50:30 Ennui 14:50:44 Or mania, perhaps 14:51:00 So, you're not in the mood to expand (x+1)^(-1) ? 14:51:14 Not right now 15:06:39 http://www.valbot.com/arin.ga woo $10 15:06:47 almost rich 15:08:48 let's see whether we can push the price by asking from different domains? 15:09:28 -!- aretecode has joined. 15:10:01 izabera: note also that the estimated monthly ad income is $20 a month - so you'd be giving it away for two weeks worth of income... 15:10:07 -!- MDream has changed nick to MDude. 15:10:08 ...something doesn't add up. 15:12:04 i should ask wikipedia if their campaign is working 15:12:26 guys, please donate $2 each to arin.ga and this will be over in an hour 15:12:59 haha. "Get the official Free Valuator Appraisal Certificate for your domain valuation." 15:13:28 `? wikipedia 15:13:29 Wikipedia is a bit like TVTropes but in more languages. 15:13:59 apparently i run the 8766021st most visited website worldwide 15:14:09 quite the accomplishment 15:14:26 :O 15:15:03 beer for everyone once i get below 8 millions 15:15:34 I'm going to hold you to that 15:15:50 izabera: http://www.valuegator.net/show.php?url=aron.ga is the "best price" so far 15:15:51 I have no idea where you live but I will turn up on your doorstep and demand beer 15:16:01 XD 15:16:27 it's amazing how many of these "domain appraisal" sites exist... 15:16:54 I tend to imagine everyone on the internet lives in a high-rise in an East European country 15:17:06 I don't know why, that is just what I picture 15:17:17 I've never lived in either a high-rise or an east European country 15:17:34 Taneb: that bit about East European countries sounded like an xkcd tag line 15:19:03 I am, in fact, Randall Munroe 15:19:23 woo. I'm in the big time now. http://www.valuegator.net/show.php?url=hulksandhorrors.com 15:20:16 http://www.valuegator.net/show.php?url=bedroomwallpress.com 15:21:43 That website values taneb.uk at $30 15:21:51 Which is more than I paid for it, I think 15:22:47 hmm, it puts int-e.eu at $69 15:23:17 whatever 15:27:16 -!- lleu has joined. 15:27:16 -!- lleu has quit (Changing host). 15:27:16 -!- lleu has joined. 15:30:24 -!- llue has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 15:34:36 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 15:54:04 -!- Wright has joined. 16:05:21 -!- Wright has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 16:07:35 -!- APic has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 16:08:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 16:13:59 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 16:21:06 -!- Wright has joined. 16:36:28 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:40:22 -!- Wright has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 17:11:50 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:14:15 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:30:00 -!- mauris has joined. 17:30:00 -!- mauris has quit (Changing host). 17:30:00 -!- mauris has joined. 17:40:59 -!- mihow has joined. 17:42:59 -!- mihow has quit (Client Quit). 17:44:28 -!- mihow has joined. 17:49:23 -!- Wright has joined. 18:00:25 -!- mauris_ has joined. 18:00:25 -!- mauris_ has quit (Changing host). 18:00:25 -!- mauris_ has joined. 18:03:36 -!- APic has joined. 18:03:53 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:01:27 -!- evalj has joined. 19:02:40 stupid javascripted website 19:02:57 -!- nycs has joined. 19:03:40 Yes, they are all being stupid (mostly) 19:04:05 this one uses javascript to replace ordinary select boxes with some javascripted widget that doesn't work properly 19:04:26 Yes, I don't like that either. Turn off scripts if you can I suppose 19:04:40 I can, but many pages just refuse to work that way 19:04:59 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 19:05:10 Some webpages will work fine without scripts if you override the CSS 19:05:37 some, yes 19:05:45 Maybe you could also try to use a GreaseMonkey script to change them back how it was before 19:06:19 . o O ( tested with IE 4 and Opera 3.0 ) 19:11:34 There doesn't seem to be extensions to enable/disable/override individual scripts; I would think it would be good idea 19:15:12 -!- nycs has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 19:15:22 -!- nycs has joined. 19:32:41 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 19:35:22 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 19:49:06 -!- TieSoul has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:54:09 -!- bb010g has joined. 19:55:13 -!- x10A94 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:06:26 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: BBS). 20:11:06 -!- FreeFull has joined. 20:13:07 -!- evalj has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:03:01 -!- Patashu has joined. 21:18:30 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 21:25:36 -!- nycs has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 21:33:11 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:42:34 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:00:45 I wonder if anyone's ever come up with a list of words or phrases that refer to specific other words or phrases. 22:00:58 Like "tetragrammaton" and "F-word". 22:01:19 how would you call such a list? 22:02:15 what the hell is tetragrammaton? 22:02:53 -!- mauris_ has changed nick to mauris. 22:02:56 The tetragrammaton is the word יהוה. 22:03:38 izabera: *what would 22:03:47 thanks 22:05:06 bit of a germanic/romance difference there, i think 22:06:29 or wait, no, german is also on the romance side 22:06:35 "wie nennt man ..." 22:07:10 -!- ais523 has joined. 22:32:13 -!- ghettofatso has joined. 22:35:18 so you actualy dont talk about iluminati here 22:36:02 no, wrong #esoteric 22:36:07 `welcome ghettofatso 22:36:21 this channel's about intentionally bad programming languages 22:36:21 ghettofatso: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 22:36:44 thanks, bye :) 22:36:46 -!- ghettofatso has left. 22:37:23 I wonder if the EFent or DALnet channels are active yet 22:37:34 we've sent enough people there, after all 22:38:00 The DALnet channel was empty last I checked, I think. 22:38:30 Looks like there are some people in the EFnet channel. 22:48:37 good eeing 22:49:45 tswett: That showed up perfectly in my font! 22:50:06 (that is, the characters were in the right order) 22:51:28 so apparently cygwin's terminal has RTL support 22:59:04 so useful 22:59:04 i added the EFnet because someone said it was more active than the DALnet one, last we checked 22:59:13 *+one 23:17:48 hey oerjan, whaich unicode characters are important to you? 23:18:02 the snowman 23:18:06 The new version which I'm about to upload has the snowman 23:18:35 did you type all of that in 4s? 23:18:50 no, I was about to mention it 23:19:13 because someone, possibly you, mentioned the snowman 23:19:16 before 23:19:25 can't be me 23:19:32 what makes you think it was me 23:20:08 then maybe... oh yeah i think it was zzo38 who mentioned a snowman 23:22:55 anyway it has the snowman and all the math characters 23:23:20 does it have q ? 23:23:37 i'd never use a font without q 23:24:01 yah it has q 23:24:18 * izabera is greatly impressed 23:25:16 I don't really know how to write q. 23:25:21 When I handwrite it it always looks like 9. 23:25:26 I don't really know how to handwrite. 23:25:32 it is like a backward p 23:25:44 handwriting is overrated 23:25:47 shachaf: when handwriting q I was taught to make a sharp diagonal line up and to the right from the base 23:25:47 or at least that is how i write a little q 23:25:55 lowercase q, that is 23:26:03 whereas with a 9 you're curling the defender to the left 23:26:37 I don't curl anything to the left when writing 9. 23:26:48 *descender 23:27:23 shachaf: clearly the problem is that your 9s look like qs hth 23:27:46 Oh, descender makes more sense. 23:27:55 I assumed it was an obscure typographical term I didn't know. 23:27:59 when in doubt, you could always add a cross to the descender... 23:28:31 oerjan: i'm still on defence about that hth 23:28:52 9 looks exactly like a g 23:28:57 hm do i do that or not, i'm not sure 23:28:59 but higher up 23:29:06 9 and g are very similar, yes 23:29:30 the way to distinguish them that I was taught is that the vertical line on the right of a g goes up slightly higher than the loop 23:30:48 use the double storey g 23:30:53 no confusion 23:31:27 hm i'm pretty sure i avoid having any vertical line up on my 9s 23:31:55 i _think_ i draw it clockwise, which makes that easier 23:32:03 oerjan: right 23:32:06 while i draw g counterclockwise 23:32:23 apparently drawing a 9 clockwise is some sort of horrendous offence against typography but I don't really see why 23:32:29 wat 23:32:43 I draw it clockwise 23:32:47 * oerjan being efficient by not knowing about rules 23:33:02 and g 23:33:09 and d 23:33:11 and p 23:33:18 and W 23:33:30 d counterclockwise, p clockwise 23:33:33 clockwise but time-foolish 23:34:09 no, W I draw in three strokes 23:34:13 google has a thing where they have clocks that give them an open interval of possible current times, rather than a single point 23:34:18 oren: 3?? 23:34:28 yeah 23:34:39 they have a guarantee that the interval applies to every clock they have in the world 23:34:51 seems much more reasonable than pretending that time is a single point 23:34:57 i can't even imagine how you draw that 23:35:10 i have this sort of sliding scale between "my letters look typed" and "my letters have loops and flourish" that depends on situation. 23:35:32 first draw an L, then draw two vertical strokes on top of the baseline 23:35:38 oh 23:35:47 i was kinda thinking \|/ 23:37:33 my letters look very much like my font 23:37:51 except less perfectly rounded/straight 23:38:10 I can't actually draw an o as a perfect circle 23:39:55 if i'm particularly nervous or fixing up errors when solving crosswords, i may even add serifs 23:41:28 solving crosswords probably accounts for 90% of my handwritten letters these days. 23:41:42 the new version of my font is up 23:42:08 the demo is not yet updated, but you can see I fixed the Ŵ 23:44:08 let's take the set of all strings with a certain alphabet 23:44:24 let's define a distance over this set 23:44:44 d(a,b) = 0 iff a == b 23:45:21 @tell mroman This can mean two things. Either they're all surprisingly fit <-- when first seeing that in the log, part of the window was hidden so i read that as "they're all surfing" hth 23:45:21 Consider it noted. 23:46:09 d(a,b) = 1 if a is b minus 1 char, or b is a minus 1 char, or b can be produced by swapping two adjacent characters in a, or a and b differ for only one character 23:46:21 d(a,b) = 2 in any other case 23:46:44 wait, you stop at 2? 23:46:45 actually no 23:46:52 wait 23:47:14 let's extend all the things i said about 1 to n 23:48:05 mmh no 23:48:07 izabera: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damerau%E2%80%93Levenshtein_distance hth 23:48:09 it's not a distance anymore 23:48:25 oh 23:48:37 i was trying to correct typos 23:49:06 "Damerau not only distinguished these four edit operations but also stated that they correspond to more than 80% of all human misspellings." 23:49:10 so was he 23:49:36 ok :C 23:52:51 apparently it also applies pretty well to DNA mutations 23:55:17 ok, when trying to fix a mispelled word, how far would you search? 23:57:08 i suspect that depends on the writer 23:58:10 how far would *you* search? 23:58:12 but there's probably some point at which the number of options starts becoming too large 23:58:38 i wouldn't, i alwase spel corectly 23:58:49 :D 23:59:27 * oerjan is reminded about a comic