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< 1437352472 748390 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-paecohuyjictgvaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 👉👌
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< 1437374608 950783 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION good morning
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< 1437375968 712486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Taneb: good morning
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< 1437384102 723943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I fixed my computer (except the gopher server)
< 1437384129 990994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to change PHIRC to get it to work with xterm, as well as writing the proper shell-script of it, but now it work.
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< 1437385285 229966 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord.
< 1437385329 645815 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, mroman_
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< 1437386409 957909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
< 1437386548 957295 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like what?
< 1437386618 845107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know?
< 1437386641 374110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PC bold setting in xterm doesn't seems working; how to fix that?
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< 1437387837 596685 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Taneb
< 1437388031 891812 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1437388099 174171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it
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< 1437388710 527594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now when I try to make a screenshot with ImageMagick the text in the xterm window is missing
< 1437388847 287176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out, I need "xwd" to capture the picture and then ImageMagick can convert to PNG format.
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< 1437394217 192690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the screenshot of its working: http://zzo38computer.org/img_17/screenshot.png
< 1437394539 903435 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you're using imagemagick anyway: import -window root screenshot.png
< 1437394620 947760 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that what you tried in the first place...
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< 1437398543 165076 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a*x + a*y = 0 mod a
< 1437398545 881541 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that always hold?
< 1437398577 316523 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more generally
< 1437398582 807075 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a*x + y = y mod a
< 1437398593 439657 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1437398601 398974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For integers, I guess.
< 1437398603 3880 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For nonzero a, at least
< 1437399084 664002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think zero a works just as well with the right interpretation
< 1437399254 647700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a doesn't have to be integer, either. although that only works for addition/subtraction, not multiplication.
< 1437399686 910383 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to find all inverses mod p (p prime)
< 1437399700 142365 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many extended euclidian algorithm computations do you need to run?
< 1437399721 493225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like an inefficient way of finding them, hm
< 1437399723 133148 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or in other words: How many times do you need to run the extended euclidean algorithm)
< 1437399731 601505 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :none, you just list 0..p-1...
< 1437399751 152208 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, the 0 should be excluded.
< 1437399753 352310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good, int-e
< 1437399764 466699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that solves his problem.
< 1437399768 59125 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1437399774 842712 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1437399781 772592 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gotta be able to tell what is the inverse of what
< 1437399808 465312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, use some dynamic programming i think
< 1437399828 723087 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want all the inverses? Can't you just use the first one?
< 1437399833 86813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick a number you don't know the inverse of, start computing its powers until you reach one you know.
< 1437399864 271566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be O(p) calculations in all, i think
< 1437399892 293789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you start out knowing 1 is its own inverse)
< 1437399903 248586 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and p-1 is it's own inverse
< 1437399906 769435 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use the baby-step giant-step algorithm to achieve O(sqrt p)
< 1437399911 391754 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if a*b = 1 then b*a = 1 as well
< 1437399948 144485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i don't know what you're talking about, but i assume he wants a table of inverses (mod p)
< 1437399953 25589 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably maximum O( (p-2) / 2 )
< 1437399990 815232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: thinks like -2 and /2 don't count in O() notation
< 1437399993 692719 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since a pair of inverses gives a free other pair of inverses
< 1437399996 293687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*things
< 1437400001 799285 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah, you were giving serious answers
< 1437400003 535015 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably more around (p - 2) / 4 euclidean algorithms
< 1437400031 308151 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are there other shortcuts to inverses?
< 1437400031 782245 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the problem is well-defined
< 1437400036 412815 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be interested.
< 1437400068 857126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: "how to calculate (n, n^-1 (mod p)) for all 0 < n < p?"
< 1437400076 842132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1437400087 984400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_ is still blathering about euclidean algorithms
< 1437400093 378399 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah :)
< 1437400100 233125 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you should find a primitive root r and then list pairs (r^-n, r^n). That's exactly one call of the extended euclidean algorithm, but a couple more modular exponentiations.
< 1437400107 363329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's not the best algorithm.
< 1437400119 423921 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any other algorithm actually to compute inverses
< 1437400122 417245 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :without knowing phi(m)
< 1437400129 519658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um how do you find a primitive root they're not predictable.
< 1437400140 300900 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that only works for co-primes anyway
< 1437400157 159507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you could get them as a consequence of what i suggested, i think.
< 1437400167 908198 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are O(p/log p) primitive roots mod p, so just pick elements at random
< 1437400170 214621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that also calculates all the inverses
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< 1437400359 59249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1437400365 721495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, phi(m)
< 1437400371 24944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is p-1
< 1437400397 691449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could just calculate n^(p-2) for all n directly...
< 1437400406 824124 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1437400410 211801 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a prime, yes.
< 1437400415 870348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said it was
< 1437400431 225688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n doesn't need to be prime)
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< 1437400506 983070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, O(p log p) multiplications
< 1437400509 665986 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're using eulers theorem
< 1437400529 479057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fermat's little theorem
< 1437400559 910259 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want all of the inverses, it's even simpler: calculate 1, r, r^2..., r^k=1, then the inverse of r^i is r^(k-i)
< 1437400583 947395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that's what i started suggesting
< 1437400596 997910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i also suggested caching results
< 1437400636 566326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you should also stop if r^k is a number you've already hit
< 1437400704 261468 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right.
< 1437400707 809841 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1437400737 772195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless somehow the raw calculation is better than a memory lookup, hm... now we're into other caching issues.
< 1437400781 992539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this method is unlikely to preserve cache locality :)
< 1437400814 183789 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if I found a primitive root
< 1437400832 693441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, r doesn't have to be a primitive root with my version
< 1437400840 999883 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first duplicate will always be 1, since every r generates a subgroup in Z/pZ*
< 1437400880 474424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just pick a "random" r that hasn't been found yet
< 1437400885 666036 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if p=5, and I pick 4
< 1437400892 356043 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll only get to r^1, r^2
< 1437400898 739947 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :before reaching 1
< 1437400900 319628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. and then you choose another r.
< 1437400931 361656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :might need a linked list or something to keep track of what's uncalculated.
< 1437400964 988336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep choosing r's until there are none left and you have the whole table.
< 1437400970 370356 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately you won't get far with the subsequent r's before hitting a number already seen
< 1437400982 388468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "unfortunate" about that?
< 1437400991 574807 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each r, you need a new extgcd
< 1437401001 213388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...now.
< 1437401004 461646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*...no.
< 1437401011 841919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just calculate r^i
< 1437401023 412185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with multiplication and modulus
< 1437401031 728330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not egcd needed at all.
< 1437401067 951837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no
< 1437401099 670868 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you find r^-1 with that?
< 1437401157 417237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (r^k)^-1 = q, then r^-1 = r^(k-1)*q
< 1437401232 426178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1437401313 663418 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pick r not a generator (say r=q^2), then knowing all the powers of r won't help you find q^-1
< 1437401338 131323 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or will it
< 1437401345 894732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um r^k is a number you already know q is the inverse of.
< 1437401411 230728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :k is the smallest k such that r^k is already in your inverse table
< 1437401445 70179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you find it, you can fill in r ... r^(k-1) using that.
< 1437401501 810242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not entirely sure you're actually saving work over calculating all the way up to r^k = 1...
< 1437401519 49380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
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< 1437401576 937449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a gcd actually is a good idea here.
< 1437401607 129096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, you can ensure your table so far is always all the powers of the previous r
< 1437401688 83014 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if r=q^a and 1/r=q^b, then 1/q=q^b*q^(a-1)
< 1437401732 357071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1437401753 615007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have some mistake there but i'm not sure what you're trying to say
< 1437401776 650202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1437401782 494692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed the -1
< 1437401800 313389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my point is, you don't know the q.
< 1437401829 291720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reconsidering, i guess the question is, can you find a primitive root much faster than the remaining calculation of all its powers?
< 1437401916 95154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say "especially if you don't know the factors of p-1", but if those aren't easy to calculate you don't have a chance to calculate the whole table anyway.
< 1437402014 403389 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind, I swapped the letters around and got the same identity that you wrote
< 1437402048 123037 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math is difficult
< 1437402059 876587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1437402090 323503 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, it would work
< 1437402357 20512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you keep the known set a subgroup, then after you have found (r^k), you go through the already known table and add _all_ r^i * q where 0 < i < k and q is already known. that way you keep it a subgroup at the next stage.
< 1437402430 769468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least double the set of known numbers at each iteration
< 1437402565 678942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'm pretty sure you could keep track of the order of the numbers as well.
< 1437402574 696803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this might need a gcd or two.)
< 1437402599 475520 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't look at the channel for half an hour and I have no idea what is going on
< 1437402608 949200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not quite sure either.
< 1437402611 790762 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like... number theory?
< 1437402614 585951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1437402634 515450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to think of how to compute a complete table of inverses (mod p)
< 1437402641 954657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonably efficiently
< 1437402702 470717 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With p prime?
< 1437402719 573274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe you cannot track the order of _all_ the elements, but you should be able to keep track of one with the largest order so far, so that at the end you also have a primitive root.
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< 1437402723 757589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah
< 1437402759 43044 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 1's inverse is 1
< 1437402766 839650 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 0 doesn't have an inverse
< 1437402770 596892 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last remaining r should be a primitive root
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< 1437402780 250265 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it for p=2, you can generalise it from there
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< 1437402795 14811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, i don't think this method actually depends on p being prime. or, it might be harder to select all the relatively prime numbers to start with.
< 1437402807 884275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: OKAY
< 1437402816 354056 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1437402845 402727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: not necessarily. in theory you could have p-1 remaining until the end...
< 1437402866 95608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and end up selecting it as the last r.
< 1437402903 81233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can, however, calculate a primitive root by considering the orders of the r's
< 1437402930 454290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so i think, vaguely. now i need to get shaved ->
< 1437403028 12673 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1437403077 666866 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I tell you that I got a haircut the other day?
< 1437403094 349606 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hair is shorter than it's been since 2008
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< 1437403759 93573 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let inverses p = foldl' add (M.fromList [(1,1)]) [2..p-1] where x×y = x*y`mod`p; add m r | r`M.member`m = m | True = let rs = takeWhile (`M.notMember`m)
< 1437403759 186632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: Parse error: EOF
< 1437403759 436142 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ iterate (r×) r; q = r×last rs; qi = m M.! q in M.union m $ M.fromList [ (r, ri×qi) | (r, ri) <- zip rs (reverse rs) ]
< 1437403769 63665 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let inverses p = foldl' add (M.fromList [(1,1)]) [2..p-1] where x×y = x*y`mod`p; add m r | r`M.member`m = m | True = let rs = takeWhile (`M.notMember`m) $ iterate (r×) r; q = r×last rs; qi = m M.! q in M.union m $ M.fromList [ (r, ri×qi) | (r, ri) <- zip rs (reverse rs) ]
< 1437403770 314637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1437403824 832420 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> inverses 100003
< 1437403827 689923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : fromList [(1,1),(2,50002),(3,66669),(4,25001),(5,60002),(6,83336),(7,85717),...
< 1437403840 89258 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> inverses 1000003
< 1437403844 152301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1437404335 653556 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This uses 1-2 multiplications per inverse, but Montgomery had an algorithm that worked for any subset of query numbers with 3 multiplications (and one extgcd)
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< 1437405224 788635 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's two multiplications and no extgcds if the set is 1..p-1, and doesn't require any table
< 1437405252 738272 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine
< 1437405252 792610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined.
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< 1437407804 720261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 994
< 1437407805 433682 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 994: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1437407844 630880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh list
< 1437408935 907277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ending well for Belkar in 3,2...
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< 1437411033 15267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick.
< 1437411043 501475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append olist http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html
< 1437411046 375183 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'olist': Update notification for the webcomic Order of the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html
< 1437411061 573915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like learn_append might be better as le/rn_append
< 1437411170 756122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're a piece of code, why don't you watch these websites for us?
< 1437411171 193070 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: only 35 google hits for what flapjax? i always get a ripe one. you must be more.
< 1437411426 841093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what flapjax?
< 1437411461 80432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a web framework.
< 1437411471 138700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Flapjax is a new programming language designed around the demands of modern, client-based Web applications."
< 1437411474 144905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, close-ish.
< 1437411535 669431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Flapjax is easy to learn: it is just a JavaScript framework."
< 1437411578 129488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that JavaScript frameworks ⊂ programming languages.
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< 1437413950 268277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of them aren't.
< 1437413958 424040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flapjax happens to be in the intersection.
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< 1437416973 159928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to disable mouse wheel on X on Linux?
< 1437417079 462943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change ZAxisMapping or something like that?
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< 1437423056 631606 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Flapjax predates the term "JavaScript framework"
< 1437423105 648037 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, it was where I first came across the term reactive programming, before Elm got kinda popular
< 1437423315 467580 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspects that FireFly is not talking about the mail client.
< 1437423358 253963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1437423360 742566 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome/Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1437423383 655154 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, the programming language
< 1437423400 100436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/elm-hates-me.png
< 1437423422 369577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT TOO HARD TO DISPLAY MINIMAL INFORMATION WITHOUT JAVASCRIPT!
< 1437423430 389487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds more like you hate elm hth
< 1437423442 121591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript is the language of the web
< 1437423451 173768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the file name was tongue-in-cheek.
< 1437423487 184853 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not. HTML is.
< 1437423511 514430 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I say it often enough I will change reality... ah whom am I kidding.
< 1437423516 108483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML is just UI.
< 1437423522 684825 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML is content.
< 1437423529 808592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want your software to be just Tk without Tcl?
< 1437423533 969968 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apparently, people don't like content anymore.
< 1437423573 709594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me like you're the one who's discontent hth
< 1437423576 297609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't want my software to be Tcl at all (and I say that despite using gitk)
< 1437423586 55182 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am that.
< 1437423611 690002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Now what are you going to do about it? )
< 1437424805 633304 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437424815 105485 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on
< 1437425047 489804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1437425058 408384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohi zzo38
< 1437425153 647322 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What weird stuff could I do with OO?
< 1437426243 870061 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437426256 394690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: O, hello
< 1437426268 730705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It might depend on some thing
< 1437426280 831976 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as?
< 1437426287 194683 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an imperative language
< 1437426342 384971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what imperative language? There is many imperative language
< 1437426375 954419 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called WalScript-OO
< 1437426384 357883 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a dialect of a language I made called WalScript
< 1437426392 979495 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the root dialect:
< 1437426400 841905 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/hppavilion1/WalScript-Alpha
< 1437426405 399685 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are any languages both purely functional and object oriented
< 1437426415 236339 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCaml, I think
< 1437426419 827409 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1437426422 956207 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purely functional?
< 1437426426 730540 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1437426441 250209 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most up-to-date functioning WalScript dialect is here:
< 1437426466 51217 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/hppavilion1/WalScript-1.0/
< 1437426486 283091 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has better variable assignment and supports libraries written in Python if they're made right
< 1437426662 610053 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most advanced one (but as-of-yet unimplemented) is https://github.com/hppavilion1/WalScript-OO/
< 1437426670 770129 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither of those last two have documentation :P
< 1437426683 856248 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last one is the one I'm currently making
< 1437426823 537961 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCaml has type inference for classes, but it's incomplete
< 1437426933 666665 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It counts as purely functional if you don't use refs and make an IO monad, I guess
< 1437426954 683800 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to write your own do..od macro in camlp4, though
< 1437426973 887187 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1437427866 464429 :mihow!~mihow@23.24.246.165 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1437428135 886013 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437428201 707335 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who says Haskell isn't object-oriented?
< 1437428264 253443 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ten overlapping field names say so.
< 1437428268 398681 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A class is simply a type with some accessors.
< 1437428269 923031 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, I do not actually know what it means to be object oriented
< 1437428309 734824 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, no subtyping or even row polymorphism. OCaml, on the other hand, has recursive classes
< 1437428332 648006 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this about field names saying that Haskell isn't OO?
< 1437428344 248273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437428397 576606 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437428436 805242 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1437428446 385689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good boilynchronized evening
< 1437428458 875875 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi boily
< 1437428460 332472 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data A = A { foo :: () }
< 1437428461 742019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1437428464 190883 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let data B = B { foo :: () }
< 1437428464 915552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:163:12:
< 1437428464 969886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Multiple declarations of ‘foo’
< 1437428465 24313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Declared at: .L.hs:161:12
< 1437428484 427426 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@refine
< 1437428484 481701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Define what?
< 1437428519 543492 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dodefine
< 1437428519 597799 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: undefine define
< 1437428527 923991 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@refine oil
< 1437428527 978317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: TemplateHaskell is not enabled
< 1437428545 58980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nudefinn
< 1437428545 158689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1437428551 41915 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1437428571 296321 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nudefinn, you say? I have something you might like...
< 1437428590 346272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you should increase the maximal hamming distance twh
< 1437428630 291745 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, it seems like I come across a whole lot more Finns on IRC than, say, Spaniards.
< 1437428636 996902 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's Levenshtein distance
< 1437428638 566045 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is IRC especially popular in Finland?
< 1437428642 988095 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1437428645 258879 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it is
< 1437428645 568181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was invented there
< 1437428649 676932 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :public synchronized void hellørjan() {
< 1437428652 879271 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@underfine
< 1437428652 933616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined.
< 1437428654 983382 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay
< 1437428655 715103 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OO
< 1437428669 186479 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.out.println("hppavhellon[1]");
< 1437428671 912986 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1437428673 112273 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making an OO dialect of my pet programming language
< 1437428679 737697 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1437428683 758868 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your abuses are already bad enough
< 1437428705 262154 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: are you a Finn?
< 1437428706 751714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nudefinn, you say? I have something you might like... <-- sauna more...
< 1437428711 544207 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1437428719 968761 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm alaskan
< 1437428734 655368 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what's your dog's name?
< 1437428736 218004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a mad scientist polar bear
< 1437428743 26921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i ask that already
< 1437428746 929148 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dog?
< 1437428749 117693 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have not
< 1437428753 22451 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am not
< 1437428758 494388 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a mad scientist Walrus
< 1437428769 583293 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dogs are named Fling and Mello
< 1437428771 408312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. stay away from the polar bear, then.
< 1437428774 256782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact...
< 1437428782 694619 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you're not that other person I was thinking you were.
< 1437428810 499885 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not Finnish, though my family does hail from Norway
< 1437428820 227569 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fungot.
< 1437428820 333060 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: night all i guess
< 1437428829 184618 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: do you realize what you just unleashed?
< 1437428840 595407 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1437428841 15674 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1437428845 537297 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did I just do?
< 1437428856 718213 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote I'm neither
< 1437428859 790623 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :590) I'm neither Norwegian nor Finnish I don't fit in your quaint little categories
< 1437428861 762496 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1437428867 664822 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :T_T
< 1437428877 186491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, why doesn't tvtropes do outbound links to its comic examples
< 1437428979 384074 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm installing a Python IRC library
< 1437428997 978482 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should use nationality-based pronouns instead of gender-based pronouns. We call everyone "han" if they're Finnish, and "han" if they're Norwegian.
< 1437429001 11708 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap, those are the same word.
< 1437429001 655914 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it could be worse. my ancestors are French, on both sides of the issue.
< 1437429027 795813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can find several mentions of the comic i'm thinking of, but no links to it. why can't everyone do transcripts like DMM
< 1437429028 360090 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, roughly half of mine were Dutch
< 1437429066 494658 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hence my unusual surname for my country of residence and both of my citizenships)
< 1437429099 348056 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: example?
< 1437429115 43992 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nellortti!
< 1437429123 371060 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily!
< 1437429128 968634 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, a porthello I'm not used to use often!
< 1437429150 570725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: are you afraid hppavilion[1]'s family come from the same place as i, or something
< 1437429155 827007 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you can address me as «tu» or «il».
< 1437429188 93044 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's the case. this chännel attracts people that are attracted by this chännel.
< 1437429196 520193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i think the finnish is hän?
< 1437429198 208351 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: also, tsellott.
< 1437429241 257365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: also, no:han is definitely not gender-neutral
< 1437429255 847173 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it's not.
< 1437429274 429043 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does norwegian have something like sv:hen?
< 1437429294 821855 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1437429391 8181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437429405 398138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: example? <-- "Doc, granted he is a polar bear but once he ate an entire deep-fried walrus."
< 1437429447 501401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: oh btw i mean the comic strip, not the general comic
< 1437429459 99471 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1437429460 789370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've already binged the archive
< 1437429481 621423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1437429492 741978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"comic strip" is too damn overloaded in english
< 1437429575 330584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i'm sure the norwegian equivalents to the kind of people who use sv:hen have an equivalent. in fact it might be just the swedish, borrowed.
< 1437429607 646235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which comic?
< 1437429613 670850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the whiteboard
< 1437429640 341207 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437429842 266949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a furry comic based around paintball, which i don't play, but i started reading it because phil foglio recommended it
< 1437429848 149098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mad science
< 1437429938 727310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also paintball is hardly weirder than some of those imaginary games in manga...
< 1437429970 459655 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :group : magma :: field : ???
< 1437429990 363161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky
< 1437430056 118595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :searching for bimagma brings up google's DMCA censorship notice
< 1437430066 807741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fact of the day: Tromsø is the 9th best place in the... I think it was world, but maybe it was just Europe. (Source: ad screen or poster at Victoria Station.)
< 1437430083 586908 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ringoid, maybe?
< 1437430103 585547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: plausible, let me look it up
< 1437430130 476829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: A "ringette".
< 1437430135 565457 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1437430140 95132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's still distributive
< 1437430143 660636 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1437430166 646158 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437430190 781146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i guess it all depends on how much of the field structure you want to remove before you call it a day
< 1437430237 258447 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: probably world hth
< 1437430240 510903 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, distribrutivity is fine
< 1437430246 356980 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1437430247 217679 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe
< 1437430358 339112 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, are IEEE floating points bimagmas/ringoids/ringettes
< 1437430488 125573 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is "no", according to a quick quickcheck
< 1437430612 547282 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1437430823 138461 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee. Not everything has a multiplicative inverse. Everything does have an additive inverse, except for NaN and maybe the infinities, I guess. Addition and multiplication should be commutative, but not associative.
< 1437430837 412945 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite sure distributivity will fail as well.
< 1437430868 688122 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... as far as I can think, the only property that *is* totally satisfied is commutativity.
< 1437430869 629408 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does
< 1437430962 958995 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, distributivity fails)
< 1437431049 198272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: bimagma was just a word i made up in the hope it meant something. didn't find any.
< 1437431062 804891 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think we should make it a thing
< 1437431078 88448 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, "IEEE Floating points are a commutative bimagma"
< 1437431172 242521 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437431193 509623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dimagma without quotes and once you bypass google's second-guessing seems to give MtG stuff
< 1437431234 694715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make it that when a program specifies both the width and the height of the window that it will open floating (and that if either or both are left unspecified, open tiled)?
< 1437431300 247459 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it seems to be from the Italian translation
< 1437431308 98794 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fenice di Magma"
< 1437431328 894323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1437431354 85500 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a lot of other di Magmas)
< 1437431385 838147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensibilie
< 1437431388 577092 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bimagma seems to pick up misspellings of "big mama" or somthing
< 1437431390 118008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sensibile
< 1437431534 846318 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to bed now
< 1437431536 173475 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1437431855 384867 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1437432056 718375 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437432324 520784 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437432326 142802 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am testing the 15 word limit
< 1437432328 586355 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am testing the 15 word limit I am testing the 15 word limit I am testing the 15 word limit
< 1437432334 252378 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1437432336 528985 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird
< 1437432477 501537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have tested the 15 word limit.
< 1437432545 194466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In xterm I notice when you backspace after the last character that fit on the line have been typed, it backspace both the last and previous character. How to fix it?
< 1437432556 733761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I work-around?
< 1437432565 437657 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I TESTED THE 15 WORD LIMIT
< 1437432568 892761 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I SURVIVED
< 1437432576 807394 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL WORSHIP MY WRATHLY GLORY
< 1437432595 46345 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDK
< 1437432604 701344 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out what xterm is
< 1437432608 502193 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the fifteen word limit? I did not know there was a fifteen word limit. Where is this fifteen word limit?
< 1437432611 94707 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I'm writing an IRC client
< 1437432638 252791 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fif teen word lim it.
< 1437432656 102017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I might be able to figure out
< 1437432666 421034 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n oneo fthe sear ewor ds
< 1437432669 743305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion1: What IRC client you are write, what programming language, what feature, etc?
< 1437432673 574924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...crud
< 1437432680 984733 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sear is a word
< 1437432683 584731 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2812#page-5
< 1437432725 582074 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't named the IRC client yet
< 1437432739 666841 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it will inevitable be a bad play on the word Walrus
< 1437432747 167284 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't done yet
< 1437432755 368972 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still working on making it connect to servers
< 1437432782 528904 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can hook up to Freenode
< 1437432785 234034 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's it
< 1437432789 914323 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using python
< 1437432802 19483 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No special features. Just making it so I'm not using webchat
< 1437432805 885745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I access X clipboard with command-line? I found only GUI programs to do it
< 1437432953 584412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "xclip" the right one?
< 1437432977 745251 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1437432982 685537 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: KLEPTOCNIDÆ CHICKEN
< 1437433081 671818 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: xclip or xsel
< 1437433107 925406 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1437433402 951379 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437433407 19790 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOHOO
< 1437433409 520808 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MADE IT WORK
< 1437433449 485372 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WALBOT IS LIVE
< 1437433484 564959 :singingboyo!~brandonso@deas.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437433498 884285 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM VICTOOOOOOOOORIOUS
< 1437433502 400068 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is awesome
< 1437433535 674378 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1437433545 694893 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeeeeeeeeverything is awesome
< 1437433553 51004 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything is cool when you're me
< 1437433553 676168 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437433555 599466 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you aren't me
< 1437433563 896640 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So eeeeeeeeeeeeverything sucks. For you.
< 1437433581 558872 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's the logical eexteeension of everything being awesome for me
< 1437433603 986815 :singingboyo!~brandonso@deas.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion1: so what terrible, critical, horrible malfunction did you just fix to make the world work again? :p
< 1437433614 62374 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch this
< 1437433637 591863 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437433640 783986 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See?
< 1437433644 895558 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See singingboyo
< 1437433648 474545 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a robot
< 1437433658 519035 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't... ahem... do anything
< 1437433676 696888 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1437433689 525030 :singingboyo!~brandonso@deas.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, in that case, let's hope it's not secretly skynet. That'd be the opposite of making the world work.
< 1437433700 256347 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a secret...
< 1437433705 194942 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's openly skynet
< 1437433722 819909 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came out as a malicious AI when it was 12
< 1437433753 501255 :singingboyo!~brandonso@deas.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that makes all the difference then, doesn't it? :p
< 1437433766 387735 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep and oh god my name is wrong
< 1437433771 942772 :hppavilion1!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1437433790 411668 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437433791 938812 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1437433794 536927 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better
< 1437433819 440347 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437433844 54792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried "xclip -i -sel p | xclip -o -sel s; xclip -i -sel c | xclip -o -sel p; xclip -i -sel s | xclip -o -sel c" to move stuff around between different clipboard buffers but it just makes it empty instead
< 1437433846 807894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to fix this?
< 1437433926 704932 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1437433972 763225 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1437433989 209632 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437434082 888374 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1437434102 181198 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437434135 290506 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1437434155 223226 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437434155 277434 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello,
< 1437434155 277507 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello,
< 1437434155 277543 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello,
< 1437434165 551207 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :World!
< 1437434178 360942 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello,
< 1437434219 800365 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1437434229 501241 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rude to ask
< 1437434230 374468 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1437434239 497014 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using webchat, so HOPEFULLY it works
< 1437434287 461908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how doomed are we on a scale of 1 to 10
< 1437434315 659031 :walbot!~walbot@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1437434403 221418 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving...
< 1437434524 940170 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am confuzzled by the messages my bot is getting
< 1437434531 241071 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm connected to irc.feenode.net
< 1437434533 794447 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric
< 1437434535 64643 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1437434539 579992 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm getting messages like
< 1437434543 655206 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g o a t s e x
< 1437434550 740308 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Congrats! You're unique!
< 1437434555 236403 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And erotic ASCII art
< 1437434574 293542 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1437434577 50383 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o what's the raw IRC data?
< 1437434591 719962 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed feenode in as the default server
< 1437434592 374298 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1437434645 250998 :hppavilion1!~hppavilio@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1437434645 305406 :hppavilion1!~hppavilio@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1437434645 305451 :hppavilion1!~hppavilio@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1437434645 305477 :hppavilion1!~hppavilio@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1437434645 491743 :hppavilion1!~hppavilio@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1437434657 860562 :hppavilion1!~hppavilio@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing
< 1437434672 549128 :hppavilion1!~hppavilio@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1437434682 320673 :hppavilion1!~hppavilio@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just
< 1437434685 640422 :hppavilion1!~hppavilio@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sending
< 1437434687 434307 :hppavilion1!~hppavilio@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :messages
< 1437434689 66904 :hppavilion1!~hppavilio@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1437434699 78577 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a bug
< 1437434721 915282 :hppavilion1!~hppavilio@3-42-174-206.static.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1437434748 296214 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: for bot testing, you can use ##ingsoc
< 1437434761 366429 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1437434802 202732 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I hate about Python 3?
< 1437434805 647194 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Skype4Py
< 1437434807 912110 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Pyspeech
< 1437434810 137081 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etc.
< 1437434842 314170 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1437434858 47634 :singingboyo!~brandonso@deas.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dangit, I think my virtualbox VM tried to shut itself down again
< 1437434866 649685 :singingboyo!~brandonso@deas.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh connections just hanging for eternity
< 1437434918 775352 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want skype4py for python3 :,(
< 1437434933 77346 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the py3support branch of a fork of skype4py doesn't work :(
< 1437434937 715907 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The setup.py
< 1437434943 441354 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS WRITTEN IN PYTHON 2
< 1437435203 242763 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is sad
< 1437435216 707905 :hppavilion[1]!ceae2a03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.42.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only other py3 port I can find is an empty repo on github
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