00:39:44 -!- GeekDude has joined. 00:57:23 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 01:09:12 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:13:20 -!- Wallacoloo has joined. 01:19:22 -!- atslash has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 01:19:36 -!- atslash has joined. 01:28:49 -!- _256Q has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:30:31 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 01:31:42 [wiki] [[Language list]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43525&oldid=43425 * 146.171.254.97 * (+10) 01:39:46 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:41:10 -!- relrod has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:59:58 hello 02:00:29 -!- Wallacoloo has left. 02:10:41 hello 02:17:33 -!- lleu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:21:10 challenge: write a program that prints a regex that matches the program's source code, but not the program's code with any two characters swapped 02:22:17 and not a quine >.> 02:33:04 izabera: you could cheat by making it an almost-quine which replaced one character with . in the output 02:33:35 actually I thought you were going to say "write a program that works with any two characters swapped" 02:33:56 but that's trivial in any language which has single-character comments, as you can just alternate comment characters and code 02:36:38 -!- variable has joined. 02:43:12 ais523: doesn't that assume the characters to be swapped are adjacent? 02:43:34 oren: oh, yes 02:43:40 that's what I assumed reading izabera's sentence 02:43:44 but it doesn't actually say that 02:44:23 /any/ two characters would be much harder, because you can swap the opening and closing delimiter of something that has opening and closing delimiters (or if they're multiple characters, corrupt one but not the other) 02:44:25 would it be easier if they can only be adjacent? 02:44:35 -!- perrier has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:44:40 yes 02:44:51 way easier 02:45:02 ooh 02:45:03 ok then 02:45:05 I can write this program in Unary 02:45:10 what 02:45:11 not that I'd /want/ to, but I could 02:45:15 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unary 02:45:20 no i mean 02:45:23 why unary 02:45:27 err, unless you allow swapping two identical characters 02:45:34 in which case all the characters in the program have to be distinct 02:45:38 oh ok 02:45:49 -!- perrier has joined. 02:45:52 which is a pretty big description as-is 02:45:53 still, printing the regex thingy isn't so easy i guess 02:46:16 perrier: like the mineral water company? 02:46:18 if there's any language with a one-character command that isn't . and prints . 02:46:24 that would work 02:47:18 heh, i like it 02:48:25 it doesnt match the frobbed strings because there are no such strings... the best kind of truth 02:50:15 that said, I've been trying to design a language specifically so that you could make arbitrary minor changes to it without significantly changing the meaning of the prorgam 02:50:24 it ended up very biological, this probably isn't a coincidence 02:50:31 haven't worked out the details though 02:51:35 i wrote an HackEgo quine 02:51:38 `` a='``' b=\' c=\\ d=\; e='echo -n $a a=$b$a$b b=$c$b c=$c$c d=$b$d e=$b$e$b$d;echo -n $e';echo -n $a a=$b$a$b b=$c$b c=$c$c d=$b$d e=$b$e$b$d;echo -n $e 02:51:39 ​`` a='``' b=\' c=\\ d='; e='echo -n $a a=$b$a$b b=$c$b c=$c$c d=$b$d e=$b$e$b$d;echo -n $e';echo -n $a a=$b$a$b b=$c$b c=$c$c d=$b$d e=$b$e$b$d;echo -n $e 02:52:00 dammit it's wrong 02:52:17 `` a='``' b=\' c=\\ d=\; e='echo -n $a a=$b$a$b b=$c$b c=$c$c d=$c$d e=$b$e$b$d;echo -n $e';echo -n $a a=$b$a$b b=$c$b c=$c$c d=$c$d e=$b$e$b$d;echo -n $e 02:52:17 ​`` a='``' b=\' c=\\ d=\; e='echo -n $a a=$b$a$b b=$c$b c=$c$c d=$c$d e=$b$e$b$d;echo -n $e';echo -n $a a=$b$a$b b=$c$b c=$c$c d=$c$d e=$b$e$b$d;echo -n $e 02:52:31 \o/ 02:52:32 | 02:52:32 |\ 02:52:48 [wiki] [[Fifth]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43526&oldid=43521 * Phase * (+1011) /* Control Flow */ 03:04:20 -!- perrier has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:05:34 -!- perrier has joined. 03:17:11 [wiki] [[Jolf]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43527 * JayCampbell * (+200) Created page with "A planned [[pyth]] variant in pure javascript for code golfing. --~~~ [[Category:Languages]] [[Category:2015]] [[Category:Unimplemented]]" 03:18:52 [wiki] [[ℒight]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43528 * Phase * (+22951) Create the best C 03:20:23 [wiki] [[Light]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43529 * Phase * (+21) Redirect 'Light' to 'ℒight' 03:23:02 hmm, I saw the +22951 03:23:10 and thought it might be a long, detailed and complex language 03:23:11 apparently not 03:23:34 someone tell Phase that at least in my browser, it's easy to scroll to the end… 03:24:42 [wiki] [[Talk:Jackass]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43530&oldid=43522 * Phase * (+253) responsessesesesesseseesesss 03:29:48 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 03:32:19 [wiki] [[Timeline of esoteric programming languages]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43531&oldid=42904 * Phase * (+107) /* The heat death of the universe */ ℒight may be implemented by then. 03:36:25 -!- ocharles_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 03:36:54 I've invented a really stupid way to implement some subset of regexes: use 65280 bytes. 03:37:16 -!- ocharles_ has joined. 03:38:41 er, actually you need two distinct end states, so 65024 03:39:28 [wiki] [[Timeline of esoteric programming languages]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43532&oldid=43531 * Ais523 * (-107) Undo revision 43531 by [[Special:Contributions/Phase|Phase]] ([[User talk:Phase|talk]]) specifically on the "have not yet garnered much attention" clause, but the mention here also isn't particularly funny (especially as the language is easy to imp 03:41:26 -!- mbrcknl has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:41:43 Looks like one infinitely long output, not infinite outputs 03:42:18 -!- supay has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:42:18 -!- bb010g has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:42:47 -!- ocharles_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:43:17 -!- glowcoil has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:43:21 -!- edwardk has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 03:43:47 The sad thing is it doesn't even become near Shameful 03:44:47 Well, no, if Snack is shameful, this is, I think 03:45:18 -!- mbrcknl has joined. 03:46:55 I don't think Snack should quality. It's actually coherent, with a readable and executable impl 03:47:25 Hmm garbage if you don't grave 03:52:20 -!- ocharles_ has joined. 03:56:15 -!- supay has joined. 04:04:30 -!- bb010g has joined. 04:06:40 -!- GeekDude has quit (Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)). 04:07:16 -!- edwardk has joined. 04:30:07 -!- glowcoil has joined. 04:30:28 [wiki] [[Fifth]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43533&oldid=43526 * Phase * (+256) /* Examples */ Add more examples 04:35:09 -!- Walpurgisnacht has joined. 04:36:06 [wiki] [[Fifth]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43534&oldid=43533 * Phase * (+24) /* Repeat a string */ Fix example 05:20:37 -!- variable has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:33:42 -!- Walpurgisnacht has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:43:40 [wiki] [[Special:Log/move]] move * Phase * moved [[Fifth]] to [[O]]: Rename the language 05:43:59 -!- relrod_ has joined. 05:43:59 -!- relrod_ has quit (Changing host). 05:43:59 -!- relrod_ has joined. 05:45:27 [wiki] [[O]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43537&oldid=43535 * Phase * (-8) Rename language to O 05:45:46 [wiki] [[O]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43538&oldid=43537 * Phase * (+1) typo 05:46:03 -!- relrod_ has changed nick to relrod. 06:12:36 [wiki] [[Passalambida]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43539 * 179.179.223.17 * (+222) Languages 06:24:53 [wiki] [[List of ideas]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43540&oldid=43346 * 73.221.67.162 * (+257) /* Implementation */ 06:44:24 I just looked at the Esme article again. 06:44:28 I want to poison my eyes. 06:48:24 -!- rdococ has joined. 07:12:22 [wiki] [[O]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43541&oldid=43538 * Phase * (-4) /* External Resources */ Right link to the interpreter 07:16:36 -!- tswett has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 07:19:18 -!- Warrigal has joined. 07:21:54 -!- J_A_Work has joined. 07:32:45 -!- aloril_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:47:14 [wiki] [[O]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43542&oldid=43541 * Phase * (+158) /* String Manipulation */ String replacement 07:47:44 [wiki] [[Language list]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43543&oldid=43525 * Phase * (+8) /* O */ Add O Language 07:52:41 -!- x10A94 has joined. 07:56:25 -!- white_bear has joined. 07:56:33 http://arin.ga/lsqf7x/raw this compiles just fine on tcc 08:02:48 [wiki] [[K]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43544 * Phase * (+1914) K summary 08:09:31 Related: http://www.ioccc.org/1998/schweikh1.c ("lines" 49-50) 08:11:49 well that's different... 08:15:11 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:18:03 -!- x10A94 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:18:37 -!- x10A94 has joined. 08:28:47 -!- x10A94 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:29:53 -!- Patashu has joined. 08:30:12 to be honest, that O programming language looks about as esoteric as J is 08:30:41 maybe a bit more, because it seems to use more primitive data types 08:31:16 -!- x10A94 has joined. 08:32:36 omg... imagine like an "In Time" based programming language. 08:33:33 we could call it "90 minutes" 08:34:00 and every variable counts down to 0, and if the variable value is at 0, then the variable times out and dies a bloody death 08:38:21 -!- zadock has joined. 08:57:35 -!- shikhin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:02:11 -!- shikhin has joined. 09:05:17 -!- J_A_Work has quit (Quit: J_A_Work). 09:23:28 -!- J_A_Work has joined. 09:27:54 -!- oerjan has joined. 09:31:21 -!- J_A_Work has quit (Quit: J_A_Work). 09:42:53 -!- lleu has joined. 09:42:53 -!- lleu has quit (Changing host). 09:42:53 -!- lleu has joined. 09:50:17 isn't j esoteric? 09:50:27 Nah, it's just odd 09:50:40 (my personal opinion, do not take as canon) 09:58:10 -!- aloril has joined. 09:59:16 it's basically just another language in the APL family 09:59:22 but the APL family is generally downright weird 09:59:33 it's probably too large and generally used by now to be an esolang, though (this is a low bar) 10:00:15 J is merely obscure. Esoteric is, like, compiling brainfuck to bourne again shell script 10:01:34 isn't that also pretty easy? 10:01:42 slightly harder if you want infinite memory 10:03:48 Has anyone written an Underload to brainfuck compiler? 10:04:18 there's an Underload-in-brainfuck interpreter 10:04:24 you could make that into a compiler via bundling 10:04:40 not sure if you can do much better than bundling because brainfuck isn't exactly very good at dynamically allocated memory 10:04:54 meaning that there are going to be considerable interp-like structures in the output no matter what 10:06:30 How about the other way round (sans input, of course) 10:06:55 Has underload been compiled to any language that was created before it 10:07:22 Ok, there's a reduction to a counter machine 10:07:45 Jafet, I believe it compiles to a bunch of similarish languages (eg FALSE) pretty easily 10:09:22 Taneb: brainfuck-in-Underload is probably easier, I don't know if it's been done 10:09:32 I can see how to do it, at least 10:09:40 the standard Underload programming tricks work, no reason to do anything fancy 10:19:26 -!- boily has joined. 10:19:30 Taneb: last i checked (after the :()^ discovery) FALSE has enough features for an easy TC subset of Underload, but not for the a and * commands. 10:20:10 i.e. you have lambdas but you cannot generate new ones that are not in the program 10:20:38 oerjan, awww 10:20:39 well, "lambdas" 10:21:15 I was thinking of http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Zzo38#dc.2FFALSE.2FUnderload.2FTeXnicard 10:22:06 oh zzo38 claims it has * 10:22:08 but not a 10:23:42 ais523: i made brainfuck in Fueue, apart from I/O underload cannot possibly be harder 10:23:59 IMO 10:24:14 oerjan: brainfuck-in-Underload is pretty easy in the EsoInterpreters stakes 10:24:19 this may be why nobody has bothered 10:24:38 I'll do a brainfuck-in-Underlambda at some point, that'll trivially compile into Underload minus S plus I/O extensions 10:26:46 hm emmental is younger than underload 10:27:07 oh there's obviously underload in funge-98, right fungot 10:27:07 oerjan: the most common one? 10:27:20 fungot: indeed it may well be the most commonly used 10:27:20 oerjan: or any words synonymous thereto? cool! what was the name of 10:27:42 although, that's also an interpreter, not a compiler 10:28:38 is Underload newer or older than Thutu? 10:28:53 older 10:29:06 underload 2006, thutu (and emmental) 2007 10:31:46 or well, Underload is much older than that if you count Overload 10:31:59 dates back to my early days as an undergraduate 10:32:08 which would have been 2006, possibly even 2005 10:33:08 boilyo 10:34:42 ais523, did I start making esolangs at a younger age than you? 10:34:51 probably, I'd have been 18 10:35:01 unless you count things like the noughts and crosses impl in MS Paint 10:35:04 which came rather earlier 10:35:14 > 2011 - 1994 10:35:15 17 10:35:32 I'd have been 16 10:35:39 (my birthday's in November) 10:35:58 That is, if you don't count the spec I wrote for an Ook derivative, which I never published 10:36:27 -!- ais523 has quit. 10:37:01 -!- ais523 has joined. 10:37:10 maybe you should publish it so we can make a derivative of it hth 10:38:26 oerjan, I'm not sure if it still exists 10:38:46 iirc it had two tapes and arithmetic 10:38:47 curses 10:38:56 And the keyword "Eek" 10:39:05 That sounds bananas 10:39:05 With the same punctuation as Ook 10:41:55 Does anyone know a suitable speaker for a talk aimed at both maths students and computer science students? 10:42:48 is the subject of the talk determined yet? 10:42:52 if not, proof theory would seem like a good one 10:43:45 ais523, not determined, talking to the people in the maths society about it at 6 10:43:59 I was thinking cryptography or algorithms 10:44:00 Umm, maybe a Yamaha? 10:44:18 Jafet, :P 10:44:28 Jafet: i'm not alone! 10:45:22 (despite being a joint-honours student who actually prefers the maths side of my degree, I have more friends in computer science and am involved in the computer science student society a lot more than the maths one) 10:46:48 Maybe the FFT convolution theorem. 10:47:29 Jafet, I don't know much about that 10:47:44 Also, the issue is more we need a presenter more than a topic 10:47:56 Preferably one based in the UK 10:49:24 well, you'd want a presenter competent to speak on whatever topic you chose 10:50:06 I'd also like a not-completely-unheard-of presenter, so they'd draw an audience maybe 10:50:15 Although that's not a huge issue 11:03:53 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 11:11:09 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: lunch). 11:16:44 -!- boily has quit (Quit: SCRAMBLED CHICKEN). 11:22:00 -!- J_A_Work has joined. 11:27:57 -!- J_A_Work has quit (Quit: J_A_Work). 11:43:01 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:43:28 -!- Patashu has joined. 11:45:40 -!- zadock has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:54:07 have you ever seen c code being slower than bash code? 11:54:33 http://arin.ga/ZtNMvH/raw <- minibf.c, a non optimizing compiler 11:54:52 http://arin.ga/pixxUg/raw <- benchmark vs my bash thingy 11:55:33 hehe 11:55:49 it's not very cheating too much <.< 11:55:54 s/very// 11:56:21 that minibf.c runs hanoi.b in 15s, my bash version runs it in 45s 11:56:38 i mean it's not too bad 11:58:24 -!- copumpkin has joined. 12:01:50 [wiki] [[Jolf]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43545&oldid=43527 * JayCampbell * (-200) deleting, found js port of golfscript 12:10:25 -!- ais523 has joined. 12:18:05 -!- jayCampbell has joined. 12:19:10 i see ais523, sgeo, oerjan .. where's ehird? 12:19:24 jayCampbell: doesn't idle here any more 12:19:29 also, hi 12:20:02 hey! i see you're still going strong 12:22:23 jayCampbell, an old face returning, I presume? 12:22:41 every decade or so 12:23:00 played nomic with some of these cats too 12:23:49 :) 12:24:26 2005 was slightly before my time, so nice to meet you 12:24:43 i think that was slightly between my times 12:24:46 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 12:25:11 decade may have been exaggeration 12:25:21 :P 12:25:31 I joined 2010 or 2011 12:25:38 wiki says 2008 12:25:44 so i wasn't far off 12:25:47 I"M OLD 12:26:00 stop that 12:26:20 Taneb: shall i hit him with my cane? 12:26:26 Being old is bad for your health 12:26:57 jayCampbell, your name sounds familiar, is there anywhere notable I'd have seen it? 12:27:48 there's a john campbell on the iwc forum iirc 12:28:11 I remember the name from nomic, but am not sure if a) the nomic came first; b) the esolanging came first; or c) it's a misremembered memory and it's just esolanging 12:28:11 i'm clever but not especially notable 12:28:21 which is also the name of a notable guy 12:28:31 when did ehird win B with "commands are executed in the order they are received" 12:28:50 jayCampbell: you are aware of what happened to B, right? 12:29:06 i probably lurked esolang first then nomic'd then registered at esolang 12:29:13 B died several times, what's the latest? 12:29:43 as i think about it, i'm into esolangs again this year because of nomic even though i haven't played in years 12:30:27 jayCampbell: we discovered that the emergency rule stopped the timekeeping for the emergency rule, thus leading to an emergency that couldn't be resolved or ended 12:30:47 with AST under my belt i'm making another run at natural english 12:30:51 in the end people created a new nomic from scratch, with the same name, on the same mailing list, but that was years later 12:30:52 B is in permanent emergency? nice 12:31:09 the previous apparent emergency was arguably an even more fitting end 12:31:17 surely they should have called the new one C nomic 12:31:19 b.nomic.net is blank 12:31:21 although one that's less fatal 12:31:22 jayCampbell, what sort of thing does a jayCampbell get up to? 12:31:31 6 foot 1 12:31:35 there were no refresh proposals, except one by Wooble to end the game 12:31:46 Wooble was also the emergency coordinator, and instead of enacting eir own proposal 12:31:49 e forfeited 12:31:57 let's see 12:32:25 wooble finally did fall down 12:32:29 the legal implications of that are kind-of mindboggling, nobody could figure out what was supposed to happen (and then it turned out it didn't) 12:33:58 lessee, day job is (they bought my start-up) remote worker management, next start-up is on alexa voice services for assisted living, current humanitarian thing is a new rights-for-youth org, current hobby code project is english parsing 12:34:24 Sounds fun 12:35:00 is forfeiting even a legal game move during emergency 12:35:32 taneb, i actually needed to do that mental inventory 12:35:46 jayCampbell, you're welcome??? 12:36:44 is forfeiting even a legal game move during emergency ← many people consider it an important safeguard in nomic that you can forfeit no matter what, and that it trumps everything 12:37:11 Agora doesn't quite share that view; it aims for similar protections, but implements them differently 12:37:30 but I think B was strongly in the "a forfeit is always possible" camp 12:38:05 maybe we can convince wooble to pass the proposal 12:39:14 jayCampbell: as I said, it never existed 12:39:24 due to a much earlier emergency locking B in stasis forever 12:39:31 hee 12:39:33 most of what happened at B actually never happened, you got used to it after a while 12:40:00 i think there are several parallel universes going on 12:40:03 ais523, that seems comparable to Feather 12:40:08 some shared realities, some not 12:40:29 (similar, but less major, potential crisis at Agora atm; a bunch of proposals were submitted without adoption indices, which might have made them incapable of making any ruleset or gamestate changes) 12:40:42 (and we only noticed quite recently) 12:42:23 parliamentary gridlock in the real world can be solved with pitchforks 12:42:59 wasn't B's tagline "this is not B nomic" for a long time? 12:43:47 my favorite day was when i was trying to get the graphic interface going for chess and some old-timer checkmated me while i wasn't paying attention 12:44:19 i set off my all pieces to move random directions and "turn the board" for next turn in a loop 12:44:29 I remember that 12:44:31 because there were only punishment protections for such behavior 12:44:59 i automated that on a different nomic later, it was fun 12:45:14 actually, I dislike behaviour where you're intentionally winning via violating the rules 12:45:28 even if a punishment for breaking them is specified, I still consider the intentional break to be cheating 12:45:58 if it's written in the form "you can do this, but you must suffer the penalty if you do", rather than "you can't do this, but if you try anyway, here's the penalty to get the game back on track" it's much more acceptable 12:46:01 but nomics tend to use the latter 12:46:39 nomic was the source of my most heated disputes of the era 12:47:52 so i'm parsing english for a deterministic nomic 12:48:44 I would like to enjoy Nomic but I find it very hard to pay attention to 12:48:45 english codenomic is an interesting idea 12:48:49 I doubt it'll work, but it's interesting 12:48:57 it can be a lifesuck 12:49:36 ais, i'm in touch with a guy who built a self-compiling english .. the compiler, gui, editor is all in plain english 12:50:10 to me that was proof it's expressive enough 12:50:12 that sounds appropriate for esolangs as it is 12:50:24 the problem is not really being expressive, but rather tolerance of things outside the syntax 12:50:37 it won't parse novels but it's easy to program in .. no harder than following a magazine's style guide 12:50:41 http://esolangs.org/wiki/English 12:50:41 COBOL is pretty expressive and pretty English-looking, but you couldn't feed it Agora's ruleset 12:50:57 jayCampbell, have you seen Inform 7? It's along those lines 12:51:16 yes 12:51:16 (the language is meant to look like natural English) 12:51:37 ais523: you could port a large chunk of the rules 12:52:06 it's not going to read *all* english, only those that follow the grammar 12:53:10 to add a vote to a poll using a player name: increment the poll; add the player name to the poll's voted list. 12:54:29 i'm pretty sure we discussed a "plain english" language here at some point, and were not impressed. 12:55:28 that's pretty tortured if interpreted as English 12:55:29 the we that includes me is 12:56:10 i had doubts too till i saw a compiler written in english 12:57:21 it's basically just an alternate syntax for something that could be more simply expressed a different way, I fear 12:58:03 i may be the only person on earth that thinks this can work but that's cool 12:58:53 ais, people are afraid of programming symbols .. this is also a way to trick them into programming and debugging without those more concise syntaxes 12:59:15 nobody would play golfscriptnomic 12:59:25 (even ecmanomic died) 13:00:03 and why the heck is /r/nomic private, who has that 13:00:18 Was it part of the recent reddit blowout? 13:01:07 no, it's been that way for at least a couple years 13:02:53 Ah 13:04:13 /r/nommit isn't private though 13:04:19 looks pretty dead, though 13:09:35 what the world really needs is a nomic written in http://snap.berkeley.edu/ 13:09:46 then peace would be upon us 13:12:22 Jeez, I remember when I cared about that programming language 13:12:37 That was why I learnt lambda calculus, in the beginning 13:25:47 I learned it to understand Unlambda 13:25:57 INTERCAL and Malbolge might have got me interested in esolanging 13:26:08 but Unlambda was by far the most influential esolang on me, I think 13:28:43 for me it was bf derivatives then things like piet keep redefining the whole concept 13:29:10 Piet was the first programming language full stop that I learnt 13:29:39 ha! 13:32:16 can't imagine what people's first language experience will be like in 20 years 13:32:29 Python 2 13:33:10 In 20 years, Taneb, not now. 13:33:16 Jafet, yes 13:33:25 Jafet, I maintain Python 2 13:34:30 I can't wait to see the mainframe designers who have to optimise for legacy python business logic in 20 years 13:34:47 fungot: Was Befunge your first esolang experience by default? 13:34:48 fizzie: fnord sucks. what can i do it without symbols at all before it clears? another hard drive. 13:35:16 fizzie, I'd assume the first language fungot learnt would either be brainfuck or Underload 13:35:16 Taneb: i am on fnord side of things, but i think i'd prefer the latter ordering, but i 13:35:31 fungot, because fnord sucks? 13:35:32 Taneb: that was an excessive paste :-p well, i already did some coding today. :( right now i am off topic, but is this limitation of heap-size true? first takes the list as a separate entity 13:35:37 ^style 13:35:37 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 13:36:08 Taneb: I guess that's a valid argument too. In that case, it would have been brainfuck. 13:37:54 You could try to write nomic rules in deontic logic; it would effectively be an esolang 13:39:07 -!- _256Q has joined. 13:39:07 -!- _256Q has quit (Changing host). 13:39:07 -!- _256Q has joined. 13:46:39 -!- `^_^v has joined. 13:48:46 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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You should use them for now until I get my computer fixed; I believe only the CPU is broken and the hard drives are OK 19:30:49 -!- x1365C has joined. 19:30:53 I cannot access my SSH account either 19:32:35 -!- zzo38 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:34:15 -!- x10A94 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:37:26 -!- shikhin has changed nick to shikhin_TV. 19:37:55 -!- x1365C has changed nick to x10A94. 19:37:55 [wiki] [[O]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43547&oldid=43546 * Phase * (+9) Add header 19:37:57 -!- shikhin_TV has changed nick to shikhin. 19:43:17 -!- `^_^v has joined. 19:43:44 -!- mihow has quit (Quit: mihow). 19:45:04 [wiki] [[O]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43548&oldid=43547 * Phase * (+28) /* ` */ It should push 3, since it starts at zero. 19:50:45 -!- a21 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:01:18 -!- rdococ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:04:10 -!- a21 has joined. 20:27:36 -!- a21 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 20:40:03 -!- a21 has joined. 20:41:49 -!- Froox has quit (Quit: *bubbles away*). 20:47:25 -!- copumpkin has joined. 20:50:11 -!- Frooxius has joined. 20:50:30 -!- llue has joined. 20:53:04 -!- lleu has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 20:53:22 -!- a21 has quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1). 21:04:12 -!- Patashu has joined. 21:19:23 -!- x10A94 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:23:46 -!- mauris_ has joined. 21:26:45 -!- mauris has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:28:05 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 21:36:48 -!- mihow has joined. 21:37:14 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 21:38:23 -!- atslash has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:40:40 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:49:43 [wiki] [[O]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43549&oldid=43548 * Phase * (+36) /* + */ 5 -> 5.0 21:50:05 [wiki] [[O]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43550&oldid=43549 * Phase * (+0) /* + */ I swear I can't logic 21:55:14 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:58:43 -!- llue has quit (Quit: That's what she said). 22:01:56 -!- _256Q has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:05:28 -!- pdxleif has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:23:36 -!- Herbalist has joined. 22:23:57 -!- Herbalist has left. 23:11:37 got another brainfuck interpreter for the list 23:11:45 https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/esolangs/brainfuck-in-snap-blocks.png 23:11:50 me so funny 23:12:34 -!- Slereah__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:12:49 -!- Slereah__ has joined. 23:33:24 -!- h0rsep0wer has joined. 23:35:29 jayCampbell, I wrote one in Scratch a while back 23:35:41 Although it's got a bug in it somewhere and I can't be bothered to fix it 23:48:41 How many brainfuck interpreters are there written in brainfuck? 23:54:44 -!- h0rsep0wer has changed nick to O_Corno.