< 1435536735 461876 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1435537787 4459 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1435538313 786974 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1435538860 676932 :fr4nt1c!~frantic@2.239.26.118 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1435540818 453248 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1435541597 330768 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SHELVE CHICKEN < 1435542868 372568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Why does TIS-100 make my cursor blink? < 1435542871 897977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. annoying tdnh < 1435542932 727743 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in the 80s you didn't get to choose, so < 1435543183 448363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mouse cursor is blinking. < 1435543188 981745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even when I switch focus away from the game. < 1435543489 631438 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1435543493 909611 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't do that for me < 1435543931 713578 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1435544471 487070 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1435544843 537899 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1435545763 478572 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1435547127 493392 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-157-58.dhcp4.washington.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1435547951 86052 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1435548222 939328 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1435550859 860649 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net NICK :|f`-`|f < 1435551270 673006 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wonder if you could write an operating system kernel in Rust. < 1435551276 947329 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard could it be? < 1435551294 891903 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two primary things I'm worried about. < 1435551305 296455 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, I don't know if it's feasible to write Rust code that doesn't make any system calls. < 1435551319 854056 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A kernel doesn't get to make system calls. Not allowed. < 1435551346 105841 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second, I don't know how to get the compiler to produce output in the correct format. < 1435551763 252442 :password2!~password@197.77.41.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435554365 959535 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero < 1435554951 186556 :Wallacoloo!~colin@D-69-91-157-58.dhcp4.washington.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1435555866 78125 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1435555903 467990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ newsham ? gazspaczo < 1435555904 300599 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: gazspaczo iz a hungarian szoup, tradizsonally szerved cold for hot szummer dayz < 1435556148 459700 :password2!~password@197.77.41.1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1435556371 452042 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1435557338 672510 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1435557772 18176 :zadock!~outsider@cthulhu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1435558257 895369 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Theorem 1. For any conventional third-generation computer, an effective VMM may be constructed if the set of sensitive instructions for that computer is a subset of the set of privileged instructions. < 1435558257 982982 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1435558270 484952 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems like the sort of thing that would be difficult to add retroactively < 1435558360 906710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (magic, magic 1 2 3) < 1435558362 932322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : (0,3) < 1435558368 130361 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t magic < 1435558369 451561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slack a => a < 1435558391 485305 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> magic 1 < 1435558393 307153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1435558394 441424 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> magic 2 < 1435558396 312869 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1435558402 170498 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> magic 5 0 < 1435558404 7793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1435558411 174751 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1435558417 862190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not v. magic < 1435558418 186650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::src magic < 1435558440 727415 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what I was expecting. A dead dove, maybe. < 1435558476 256862 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work < 1435558491 983340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t magic 1 < 1435558493 222172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slack t => t < 1435558493 646297 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> magic 'a' 'b' < 1435558495 144358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1435558502 802555 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> magic undefined < 1435558504 525990 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1435558517 440382 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, t is always int? < 1435558543 9640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or x -> Int or x -> y -> Int < 1435558546 449758 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> magic 1 'a < 1435558547 884640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Syntax error on 'a < 1435558547 990789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you intended to use TemplateHaskell < 1435558548 44526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the Template Haskell quotation 'a < 1435558548 44573 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> magic 1 'a' < 1435558549 687221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1435558558 782477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :t is never Int < 1435558627 901785 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + magic < 1435558629 850663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1435558646 299790 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,magic] < 1435558647 979150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,0] < 1435558650 304345 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['1',magic] < 1435558651 602675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Slack Char) arising from a use of ‘magic’ < 1435558651 656618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: magic < 1435558651 748123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: ['1', magic] < 1435558662 143715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [1,magic] < 1435558663 567000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slack t => [t] < 1435558684 398394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integer? < 1435558696 153951 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [1::Int,magic] < 1435558697 714822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Slack Int) arising from a use of ‘magic’ < 1435558697 768695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: magic < 1435558697 768744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: [1 :: Int, magic] < 1435558701 573271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [1::Integer,magic] < 1435558701 893628 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> magic :: Integer -- hth < 1435558703 48834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Integer] < 1435558703 564652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1435558709 963171 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (magic 1) `mod` (magic 1 2 3) < 1435558711 659111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1435561313 742543 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1435561724 891588 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> printf "%d" (magic 'A') < 1435561726 267432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Show a0) < 1435561726 321344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘show_M854909516733692471611434’ < 1435561726 321464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous < 1435563052 844811 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1435563885 615148 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-34-114.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1435563926 973239 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-34-114.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1435563927 66087 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1435564051 822033 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1435566419 784096 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1435567632 774846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435567801 5755 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1435567886 958134 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1435567899 807682 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord < 1435568307 772479 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1435569311 369231 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type magic < 1435569312 272057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slack a => a < 1435569315 528422 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type Slack < 1435569316 530056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘Slack’ < 1435569316 583862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant variable ‘slack’ (line 152) < 1435569319 583216 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info Slack < 1435569319 640866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slack < 1435569349 447894 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (5 :: Slack Integer) < 1435569351 163111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected a type, but ‘Slack Integer’ has kind ‘Constraint’ < 1435569351 217162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In an expression type signature: Slack Integer < 1435569351 271041 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: (5 :: Slack Integer) < 1435569953 652837 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435570276 734420 :x10A94!~x10A94@178.252.73.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435572532 425108 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1435572552 662064 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1435573826 309353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: meeting < 1435574038 63930 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric < 1435574634 277971 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1435575724 776465 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1435576251 255543 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1435576552 998437 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1435579282 40548 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBL < 1435579841 107580 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1435580158 339580 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-yuybagblyysezlab QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1435580195 554822 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1435580547 414729 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1435580684 42211 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1435581218 372245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1435581508 887148 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1435582014 650406 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1435582123 60724 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* 10New user account < 1435582306 835928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at new wiki nick suspiciously < 1435582494 205489 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rasterfahndung - computer-aided search for wanted persons whereby the data of a large number of people are checked against existing data in a database < 1435582501 130503 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how leo translates Rasterfahndung < 1435582569 825733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea of context < 1435582598 776218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :de.wikipedia to the rescue < 1435582689 334955 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1435582774 437082 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dragnet investigation" seems to be another translation < 1435582863 805304 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A dragnet is any system of coordinated measures for apprehending criminals or suspects; including road barricades and traffic stops, widespread DNA tests, and general increased police alertness." < 1435582885 707619 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Rasterfahndung doesn't really involve road blocks or the like < 1435582891 15708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure whether ... right < 1435582896 242377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed more limited. < 1435582908 104318 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we use it for computer-assisted searching through databases < 1435582920 571789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also doesn't have the stamina to read that much in german. < 1435582946 715025 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a huge database of people < 1435582946 818013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :german word of the year in 1980 < 1435582965 848507 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you are looking for a person that has certain traits (like uhm scar over left eye) < 1435582972 251420 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you check that against this huge database of people < 1435583042 762750 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only have a "profile" of the criminal < 1435583046 581024 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is usually very vague < 1435583185 129441 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the controversy is of course, that by doing that you suspect every person in that database to be a criminal < 1435583208 476621 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is contrary to presumption of innocence < 1435583252 17122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1435583254 97797 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :every person that comes out of this search is a "suspect until proven that he's innocent" < 1435583304 909491 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though you have no indication to suspect him except that he's 50-60, recently immigrated from russia and owns a business < 1435583398 369166 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't fully get that, though. < 1435583465 917076 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really pro surveillance of the public though < 1435583601 128023 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but collecting every persons DNA at birth has some advantages :) < 1435583640 149053 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. You can charge for health insurance much more accurately. < 1435583677 120312 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that would be against what they are for. < 1435583684 395987 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1435583705 250206 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not your fault that you have a higher likelihood of getting cancer than somebody else < 1435583709 262683 :J_A_Work!~J_Arcane@a91-153-98-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: J_A_Work < 1435583716 228285 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so making you pay more for that increased risk isn't "social". < 1435583818 377108 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... it will be hard to determine what exactly is one's fault and what not < 1435583848 525418 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the social system works by "healthy people" paying for "sick people" < 1435583862 137354 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "healthy people" paying for themselves and "sick peopel" paying for themselves < 1435583890 140359 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that people that drink and smoke don't have to pay more than those who don't. < 1435583911 641655 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Falling down the stairs drunk is technically your fault, so why do I have to pay for that? < 1435583935 716176 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The effects of alcohol are well known and despite this knowledge you chose to drink < 1435583949 798490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would have expected smokers to pay more, these days. < 1435583952 405502 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which indicates that you were ok taking the risks and therefore have a higher responsibility. < 1435583969 817090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if they do, i'm sitting safely here in single payer country < 1435584006 915392 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans are stupid anyway. < 1435584019 809826 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going on a vandalism streak because their favorite ice hockey team lost in a game < 1435584033 739662 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that would be in any way a.) change the outcome b.) make sense c.) do good < 1435584077 937583 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet everybody wonders why there's war going on in the world. < 1435584112 896797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm do teams get punished for that sort of thing? i recall racist remarks by supporters at football matches tends to < 1435584126 687713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe not outside arena stuff < 1435584133 954650 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They get punished for it sometimes, yes. < 1435584137 167624 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "ghost matches" < 1435584162 659347 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are matches that are played without any audience. < 1435584184 44733 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually the teams/clubs deny responsibility < 1435584203 16902 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense somehow because it's not really their fault that some people do stupid things after a match. < 1435584205 25055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling ghost match seemed to turn up something else, something about gambling fraud < 1435584221 325890 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called Geisterspiel and I took the liberty to translate it as "ghost match" < 1435584224 757698 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1435584252 395846 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_closed_doors_%28sport%29 < 1435584265 278246 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geisterspiel) < 1435584283 186682 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl JOIN :#esoteric < 1435584309 980636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yet everybody wonders why there's war going on in the world. <-- you know, if we could make _only_ the stupid people fight... < 1435584360 465422 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fight as in war? < 1435584363 974057 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as in hooligans? < 1435584371 926137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :war was the thought < 1435584390 646328 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if someone stupid attacks you your choices are pretty limited < 1435584393 384780 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :run away or fight back < 1435584401 903697 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the bad part < 1435584420 759261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what i mean is, the stupid people usually force a lot of others to fight for them. < 1435584429 910632 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although attacking someone to steal resources isn't technically stupid < 1435584435 279140 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's selfish :) < 1435584467 350015 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count some forms of selfishness as stupid < 1435584470 964126 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I would) < 1435584473 121012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid in the socratic sense < 1435584524 355296 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought people that take the bible literally are somewhat stupid < 1435584534 69573 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I'm reading a book about the history and background of the bible < 1435584534 625874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the point of military alliances is pretty much make sure that attacking you _is_ stupid, i guess. < 1435584539 886380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+to < 1435584549 435118 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1435584553 191843 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435584566 940475 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good strategy to scare people out of attacking you < 1435584599 614957 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what nukes are for I guess. < 1435584612 738985 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bio-weapons < 1435584656 803770 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just say "Well, if you attack me I'll release this virus into the wild. It'll do a lot of damage to other countries as well but that's on you!" < 1435584734 155507 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and to secure resources. < 1435584735 528509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual, the problem is the people crazy enough to do it anyway < 1435584752 106473 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trades. < 1435584755 162818 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as access to oil or so < 1435584761 86149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1435584795 215418 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why China protects North-Korea < 1435584823 58138 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they are trading certain things that benefit both < 1435584845 80034 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's just historic. < 1435584909 555222 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. Seems they use it for military purposes as well < 1435584917 638308 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since South Korea and the US go hand in hand. < 1435584932 862957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the general assumption was "because if it collapses, things will get really ugly across the border" < 1435584968 107344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, china has a lot of trade with south korea these days, so that border too < 1435584979 324069 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1435584991 90067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, not even south korea wants north korea to collapse these days < 1435585003 938525 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not. < 1435585008 371055 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would financially ruin them. < 1435585060 614609 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or it will become a humanitarian disaster < 1435585101 327786 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might actually be better for SK if NK stays independent, poor and peaceful < 1435585133 535823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why the "poor" is necessary. they could change to a more chinese model. < 1435585145 339848 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1435585155 44241 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if they would merge now, it would cost a ton < 1435585202 78847 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally they would become democratic and remain largeley independent but become more and more open < 1435585227 583356 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that takes decades < 1435585279 271576 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was one of the strategies back in uhm < 1435585280 583525 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1970? < 1435585322 360150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the problem is too many people in north korea have blood on their hands so a non-ugly direct transition to democracy is implausible. < 1435585346 723430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1435585356 228426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435585384 919275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'m also suspecting china has the same problem, to a lesser degree < 1435585394 771218 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But China is democratic? < 1435585402 350257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat < 1435585414 754698 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Officially < 1435585429 30917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort-of democratic, but the government gets to choose which candidates are allowed to run < 1435585452 17528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't count unless you have freedom of expression enough that the dirty laundry that eventually needs to be brought out, can be < 1435585461 641720 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some sort of elections < 1435585473 607731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...north korea also has elections hth < 1435585482 816569 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly haven't really looked that much into china's politics < 1435585488 812247 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do that. < 1435585497 861992 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1435585500 783964 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Democratic centralism" < 1435585507 682509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even have a few tiny minority parties < 1435585532 507906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both almost indinguishable from the state party, but still. < 1435585589 445981 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the Local's People Congress < 1435585593 669249 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is directly elected somehow < 1435585594 149901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a direct comparison, freedom of expression is more important than democracy, i think. < 1435585645 223596 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1435585656 969406 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Independent candidates are strongly discouraged and face government intervention in their campaigns." :D < 1435585660 416986 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1435585682 474628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. we had elections all the time even way back, if you count elections where you have only once option to tick and your vote is public. < 1435585712 857567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :public just in case you forgot to tick, i take < 1435585763 294077 :Herbalist!~oz@185.82.32.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435585763 347944 :Herbalist!~oz@185.82.32.20 QUIT :Changing host < 1435585763 347987 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1435585787 597021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's the opposite trick: elections where you can vote for anyone and you don't face retribution depending on your choice and the votes are secret, but they're so secret even the aggregate results are not public or used for any decision, the government just makes up results without counting the votes. < 1435585808 182996 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1435585821 618060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1435585853 900259 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that second trick was never fashionable here though. < 1435585927 545696 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps to use a very complicated election system to disguise this scheme. < 1435585930 400145 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the night vale electoral system is the ideal system < 1435585931 851508 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, that's just democracy. < 1435586022 877213 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: here in the US conttol of elections is handed over to hackers and voting machine manufacturers < 1435586032 962453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :control < 1435586070 284274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the UK's method of counting ballots < 1435586077 620246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty hard to interfere with < 1435586083 491069 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they figure said hackers and manufacturers couls just as easily favor either candidate, so it all comes out in the wash < 1435586094 789700 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :could < 1435586380 344803 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43346&oldid=43249 5* 03188.238.248.144 5* (+124) 10/* Mathematics */ < 1435586835 187601 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1435587089 11115 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1435587288 149047 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-cqmcyvoecmlsgrle JOIN :#esoteric < 1435587823 32738 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@151.42.21.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435587884 653020 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@151.42.21.30 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1435587954 323590 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-30-21.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1435588247 869179 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could just toss a toin < 1435588260 994941 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1435588268 738097 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voting can be seen as a random process < 1435588273 884611 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :People randomly select who wins < 1435588282 315717 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not just toss a freaking coin and save millions of dollars < 1435588363 739998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote random elephant < 1435588372 888460 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: it's random of course, but it's hard to determine the probabilities in any way that many people would find as satisfying or fair < 1435588379 494442 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :296) AV is better than first-past-the-post, like every voting system apart from the Random Elephant Stomping method < 1435588380 867445 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, voting isn't meant to be purely random < 1435588395 530050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: also, there's some science fiction story about this, isn't there? < 1435588425 108632 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coins are fair. < 1435588430 113001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the only fair voting mechanism known to be completely immune to tactical voting is to count all the votes, then pick a candidate with probability equal to the proportion of the votes they got < 1435588430 635958 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's usually around 50:50 chance < 1435588443 730683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t magic < 1435588444 809331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘magic’ < 1435588464 972612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some other functions of the number of votes work as well as identity, but identity's the easiest to prove < 1435588475 495208 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1435588491 227028 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: It is to an observer, or isn't it. < 1435588496 15132 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's not random. < 1435588508 693850 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for an outside obverser it's random-ish. < 1435588512 402175 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*observer < 1435588550 291318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it gets more complicated when you want to elect not one candidate, but a whole parliment of them < 1435588565 118505 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question though remains if it would matter much if it *were* random < 1435588574 614371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I actually came up with a really good voting method for that < 1435588586 645563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get each candidate to choose a location in the country at which they'll stand (just a single point) < 1435588599 26650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :candidates can form parties if they wish < 1435588599 643965 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm just too much of an existential nihilist. < 1435588606 896491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people vote for parties < 1435588620 63631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: found it, the story is "Franchise" by Isaac Asimov < 1435588625 587378 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.asimovreviews.net/Stories/Story088.html < 1435588639 992265 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Well, if it is going to be random, you need to choose the candidates randomly from the populationtoo < 1435588648 369933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you calculate a number n of votes that each seat is "worth" such that if a party gets jn votes, it gets j seats in parliament; n is as low as possible without exceeding parliament's capacity < 1435588656 284342 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Sounds like a cool plot. < 1435588665 226963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the candidates you pick from each party are determined by where their highest concentrations of votes were < 1435588669 935528 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1435588673 186110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haven't worked out the details of that) < 1435588701 302846 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: people vote for candidates < 1435588714 510839 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the machine determines the winner randomly from the candidates < 1435588730 230608 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the congress/parliament recommends candidates < 1435588734 160793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't you have to determine goals too, as well as a method? < 1435588734 401577 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way is fine < 1435588743 689 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :congress/parliament recommending candidates is probably cheaper < 1435588743 103216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you form constituencies such that each elected member has their own consitutency, and constituencies from the same party don't overlap but from different parties do; each party's constituencies collectively cover the whole country < 1435588746 187630 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd recommend that < 1435588746 334636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, the problem is < 1435588750 704813 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: That could lead to disastrous results < 1435588759 405115 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if someone like Nigel Farage becomes the head of government < 1435588764 227517 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Who's that? < 1435588767 653101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you vote in an election, you might even vote for the winning side, but a candidate from the losing side wins your constituency < 1435588787 574553 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage < 1435588793 349188 :mauris!~mauris@unaffiliated/nooodl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: UK independence party guy < 1435588802 229873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any system where each constituency has only one voter, I can contact my MP and complain about a law that's going through < 1435588816 836461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can't do anything about it because they're on the opposition and so were going to vote against anyway < 1435588852 269706 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you choose candidates from the population at random, you have a smaller chance of someone like Nigel Farage getting into a position of power < 1435588873 168704 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some random guy isn't a good politician < 1435588885 334758 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choosing one randomly from a congress/parliament makes more sense < 1435588904 436267 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally the chosen person doesn't have "full power" < 1435588913 731706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that totally sounds like http://www.xkcd.com/977/ "You think we wouldn't have so many problems if we'd just elect _normal_ people to Congress instead of Politicians." < 1435588921 559587 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like < 1435588927 359147 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :people vote people into congress < 1435588940 5967 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you select randomly who's the president < 1435588969 805000 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like um 50 people < 1435588976 550727 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including the president) < 1435588980 722635 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the president has 20 votes < 1435588985 831394 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in total there are 69 votes < 1435589005 132175 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1435589007 167959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1435589021 973079 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the swiss system anyway < 1435589038 326141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you only elect 50 people, and of those, only 10 actually show up in the parliment most days, then the president can do anything < 1435589040 103605 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :people vote people that vote for the Bundesrat and the President < 1435589111 202000 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1435589129 669987 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't the Swiss have a referendum for everything that's actually important? < 1435589135 389097 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do. < 1435589141 244187 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds good < 1435589172 361157 :Herbalist!~oz@185.82.32.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435589180 396868 :Herbalist!~oz@185.82.32.20 QUIT :Changing host < 1435589180 450744 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1435589189 432852 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the National- and Ständerat which vote for the 7 Bundesräte < 1435589216 503345 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Räte also make laws and stuff < 1435589231 451305 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can interveine with referendums if necessary < 1435589234 44783 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good systems < 1435589248 890319 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can do stuff on their own as long as they don't mess up too much < 1435589256 234159 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they do you have some way of intervention < 1435589281 372187 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you want to change something you can use the Volksinitiative < 1435589336 458918 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I think it's a near-perfect system as far as democracy goes < 1435589345 227630 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very democratic but not overly democratic < 1435589362 284517 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(overly democratic meaning people have to vote for everything, which is completely unpractical) < 1435589410 773987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1435589422 234033 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the downside of this system is of course, that you can vote for things like "we want no foreigners" < 1435589426 652294 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it passes, that's the way it is < 1435589443 745811 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :democracy doesn't imply humanity. < 1435589471 564791 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate when people think that. < 1435589488 60031 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not true. < 1435589518 606993 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1435589635 725543 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Unfortunately, we don't have a machine that spews out perfect morally-good dictators < 1435589651 72833 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a perfect dictator. < 1435589670 65353 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just shoot everybody who's not on my side. < 1435589683 557952 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then all votes will be correct. < 1435589700 498793 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, obviously I wouldn't shoot everybody who's not on my side < 1435589716 725666 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the US would think I oppress my people < 1435589720 395711 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that it's an unfair system < 1435589749 107200 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is to be a "social dictator" < 1435589765 997858 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some ground-rules like uhm "religions have to live together" < 1435589772 896697 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everybody who has a problem with that will be shot. < 1435589798 355109 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also every criminal will be shot. < 1435589800 911669 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1435589811 726568 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't want criminals in my social country. < 1435589848 400021 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you vandalise public property after an ice hockey match you will definitely be shot < 1435589868 103844 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you beat up a random person you'll be shot < 1435589886 908897 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it "Peace by Force" < 1435589931 165822 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1435589943 706016 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is - in general - that a single person can do a lot of harm to lots of other persons. < 1435589950 238080 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like if you live in a flat with flat mates < 1435589976 141265 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 29 of the people you live with always clean up their dirt but one makes everything dirty on purpose < 1435589982 267216 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole flat-experience will suck < 1435590010 390133 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no solution to that problem other than to get rid of that person who doesn't cooperate < 1435590055 706433 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's really "a truth". < 1435590089 155454 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The power of someone not cooperating is much higher than the power of others. < 1435590103 238784 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why society fails. < 1435590127 164534 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... not fails but is flawed the way it has to be < 1435590164 400360 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1435590479 986373 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there, you have 29 people who can clean up dirt, but only clean their own. < 1435590480 192650 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason they don't clean up the one's guy's dirt just to have a cleaner flat to live in is that they see this as attracting freeloaders. < 1435590545 623544 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it does, but still I think it should be taken into consideration as a factor. < 1435590559 448391 :hppavilion1!6b4d5530@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.85.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435590635 997447 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing with having such harsh laws is that it gives enforcers and loxal beurocrats a lot of power to get people killed. < 1435590639 414158 :hppavilion1!6b4d5530@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.85.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello peoples < 1435590648 886143 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi hppavillion < 1435590656 703075 :hppavilion1!6b4d5530@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.85.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! < 1435590746 780358 :hppavilion1!6b4d5530@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.85.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOAR MARKUP < 1435590748 402534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435590821 916018 :hppavilion1!6b4d5530@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.85.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523 < 1435590826 844632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1435590902 756212 :hppavilion1!6b4d5530@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.85.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out how to make an esoteric Befunge-style Markup language < 1435590904 611526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Ttml14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43347&oldid=41901 5* 03107.77.85.48 5* (+31) 10EsoMULang Category < 1435590941 413049 :hppavilion1!6b4d5530@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.85.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1435590943 689807 :hppavilion1!6b4d5530@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.85.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't logged in < 1435591121 839720 :hppavilion1!6b4d5530@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.85.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1435591136 735119 :hppavilion1!6b4d5530@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.85.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to make a Turing-complete Markup Languag < 1435591136 837956 :hppavilion1!6b4d5530@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.85.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1435591137 285880 :hppavilion1!6b4d5530@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.85.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't see that every day < 1435591159 733350 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1435591259 42323 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1435591387 632117 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1435591400 318336 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1435591407 140622 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435591661 331101 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: That's true. < 1435591678 880499 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fact is still, that one person can significantly ruin the other 29 people's live < 1435591682 507613 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he can do so very easily < 1435591709 903690 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or somebody who rapes one person a month < 1435591719 454459 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can make a lot of people's live worse < 1435591742 568469 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :one single person can have a much higher negativ impact than many people can have a positive impact. < 1435591851 139714 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1435591867 150563 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435592108 469241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1435592726 95529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435593653 308376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1435594452 550984 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, bit I don't see how a dictator is any better at solving that problem than mob rule. < 1435594522 203660 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus there's other ways in which it takes only one person to make a positive impact. < 1435594611 922573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dictatorship would work, it's just hard to figure out who should be the dictator that would make it work < 1435594623 534152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't work for most people chosen as a dictator < 1435594740 833594 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could work, but I don't see how it'd be ideal. < 1435594805 223039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1435594823 759064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435594960 578846 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-30-21.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1435595804 346736 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1435595913 628135 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1435596022 359632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1435596083 951197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435596353 132591 :password2!~password@197.77.26.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435596368 976239 :password2!~password@197.77.26.34 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1435596415 700041 :password2!~password@197.77.26.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435596525 137107 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1435596646 852465 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long-standing dictatorships, such as Singapore. < 1435596656 573461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1435596769 659517 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dictatorships are easy < 1435596774 195573 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Vetinari x Vimes. done < 1435596940 25757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435597016 444701 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have a Vetinari or Vimes < 1435597132 730767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: how do you know? 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ZZZzzz… < 1435611748 208579 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1435611997 478151 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1435612203 864993 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1435613165 858533 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1435613557 888267 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1435613573 230000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is fizzie tdnh < 1435613765 835732 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1435613983 494583 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1435613984 57889 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tdnh < 1435613985 89859 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh does not help < 1435613992 897298 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1435614067 393573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett does not help < 1435614079 103273 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1435614172 234170 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-227.rentec.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1435614197 183034 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, time to start working on this operating system. < 1435614206 59046 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This kernel, rather. < 1435614214 471544 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written, of course, in Rust. < 1435614412 521075 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-226.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1435614506 716044 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, I have a file called libkernel.so. < 1435614648 477409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1435615436 546215 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1435615669 487558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eyliob < 1435615720 539997 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonajreour! < 1435615763 535061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi y'all < 1435615808 305129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :llewerafahcahs < 1435615836 953341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1435615862 57083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaves shachaf to ponder < 1435615877 836307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it means something like shachaf are well < 1435615883 583152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what do wells have to do with it < 1435615895 645179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to dig deeper hth < 1435615927 252382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brain are you pondering what i'm pondering? < 1435615927 306177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can I do for fun, Pinky? That's it! I'll send several < 1435615927 359928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :bills to Senate for ratification, then veto them all! < 1435615941 985741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1435615947 729699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pinky are you pondering what i'm pondering? < 1435615947 783522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, Brain, but don't you need a swimming pool to play Marco Polo? < 1435615994 634594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help < 1435616083 595966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a uaetnamtrop hth < 1435616146 95770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contortions you're observing are oerjan trying to be helpful without actually giving a straight answer < 1435616163 15847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1435616178 77431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe trying to give a straight answer without actually being helpful < 1435616179 687937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to tell < 1435616193 333000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what happened to saying hi < 1435616208 947839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: generally in our channel at least one letter is shared between the words hth < 1435616224 591748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: saying hi is so 2013 < 1435616239 669508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes yes i understood < 1435616243 960276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't get it < 1435616251 745387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that word usually means the opposite of hi < 1435616258 439864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you hinting that i should leave or that you're leaving < 1435616265 995226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why it's written backwards hth < 1435616328 370576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: can you mapole some sense into oerjan twh < 1435616335 29030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just watch the red dwarf "backwards" episode, that should make everything clear hth < 1435616398 204805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :experience shows that beating sense into me only works very temporarily hth < 1435616428 355697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this also applies to admonitions) < 1435616576 836750 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't mind if I do. < 1435616590 212488 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION elopams oerjan < 1435616618 884156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION temporarily turns into an absolute jerk < 1435616632 454833 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAH! < 1435616641 154545 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapole mapole mapole. "ABORT! ABORT!" < 1435616659 651442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mapole double negation < 1435616676 632235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, reversing the mapolarity < 1435616717 837423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I have it. A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself. Or just as mad. Or just as mad. And he does both. So there are you. Stark raving sane. < 1435616767 874268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should i take advice from dead people tmns < 1435616780 446371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tmns < 1435616781 223707 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmns? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1435616792 15062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that makes no sense < 1435616798 708716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn tmns makes no sense. < 1435616798 962985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be distinguished from tmnh, that might not help < 1435616801 469338 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'tmn': tmns makes no sense. < 1435616808 53062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hm < 1435616827 927273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/tmn{,s} < 1435616829 910506 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1435616900 704278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn tmnh stands for teenage mutant ninja hths. < 1435616902 469429 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'tmnh': tmnh stands for teenage mutant ninja hths. < 1435616906 808280 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1435616912 895437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1435616918 783788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should fix `learn command don't remove the "s" it can cause problems < 1435616960 751692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no it's a feature so you can look up either singular or plural. < 1435617004 575051 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tmns < 1435617005 332145 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmns makes no sense. < 1435617012 618163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't even the way to do plurals though, it is oversimply, and just because end with "s" doesn't make it a plural either < 1435617036 850642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the problem is there is no regular rule in more complicated cases < 1435617054 811791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you have to do it manually instead < 1435617055 223745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if everyone just used le/rn < 1435617057 24621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a heuristic rule, most of the time it works right. < 1435617076 181143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it doesn't, but that would be the case the other way too. < 1435617088 147629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is a more complicated algorithm that work better to convert singular to plurals; other way around don't work so well at all < 1435617143 177666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then we'd have to rename all the wisdoms. < 1435617145 513609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with a database you won't be able to tell if the word is already in plural format or not, and if so, what the proper singular form is. < 1435617156 683797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would break for uncountable nouns. < 1435617183 557775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not meant to be perfect. < 1435617193 926291 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot should be able to tell us if a word is singular, dual or plural. < 1435617208 581505 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just my luck. Sir Fungellot is still MIA... < 1435617230 946570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, `learn attempts to reduce the chance i need to fix up other people's mistakes. < 1435618009 434296 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PHOTOGENIC CHICKEN < 1435618297 862518 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1435618403 671892 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just gonna, like, assume that rustc is producing code that can run on bare metal. < 1435618480 227548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not necessarily be good for the metal. < 1435618772 467269 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1435620115 355366 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1435620263 225050 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1435620599 151797 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1435620624 282362 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1435620686 875984 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1435620937 104286 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1435622032 371164 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right. I have a feeling that generally you can't or shouldn't use a linker on .so files. < 1435622174 937724 :mihow!~mihow@23.24.246.165 JOIN :#esoteric