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< 1434941941 71977 :hppavilion1_!a6895a7b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.166.137.90.123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: You still on?
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< 1434943543 530305 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey everyone, I think I might have stumbled upon the most important truth of the universe.
< 1434943555 10068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure there is such a thing?
< 1434943559 892347 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1434943603 902229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to write it down, what is what you believe is most important truth of the universe? (If so, then probably it isn't, but mention it anyways)
< 1434943609 516951 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hy... dangi
< 1434943631 95695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why probably it isn't?
< 1434943642 83518 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware advice: Do the opposite of any hardware advice I give.
< 1434943696 950524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's just my opinion though. Don't let that to stop you from trying to figure out such things.
< 1434943710 547018 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme try to state one aspect of it.
< 1434943803 224521 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All meaningful beliefs (regardless of whether or not they're mathematically well-defined) amount to a belief in the existence of an instance of a given class of phenomena.
< 1434943808 231488 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, this point of view is useful.
< 1434943833 22883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is existence a property?
< 1434943864 725792 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I have no right to claim that this point of view *actually is* useful. It kinda feels that way, but I have no evidence or arguments backing this feeling up.
< 1434943866 571634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. is it true that everything exists, or that there are some things that exist and there are other things that don't exist?
< 1434943914 481348 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the former. There's no such thing as a "thing that doesn't exist".
< 1434943951 83774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raymond Smullyan talks about it in _5000 B.C._
< 1434944155 396621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be so sure...there is the kind of physical existence, and mathematical existence, and multiverses, and whatever; and then when you come to "GOD exists" it is such unclear what "existence" even is here (as well as what "GOD" even is here, but that's not the point).
< 1434944179 558695 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of reading spinoza
< 1434944204 526494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "GOD" different from other capitalizations?
< 1434944217 617326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1434944253 524734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that way to hope to make it clear to me at least, because I am panendeist and not like many other people's idea of "God" anyways, so I make it full caps
< 1434944303 913656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am not even an ordinary panendeist either really, I suppose...?)
< 1434944612 432666 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know what, pretend I said "occurrence" instead of "existence".
< 1434944707 90255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK.
< 1434944735 525501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean: "... a belief in the occurrence of an instance ..."?
< 1434944769 842665 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1434944781 687082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1434945127 446926 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What non-meaningful beliefs exist in the wild?
< 1434945156 871092 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question.
< 1434945174 825106 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beliefs that have false presuppositions would be one example.
< 1434945194 306977 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose someone believes, for no reason, that they have a daughter, and that their daughter has red hair.
< 1434945217 892595 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The belief that their daughter has red hair is non-meaningful, because they don't have a daughter.
< 1434945237 519366 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, that belief, though meaningless, *does* amount to a belief in the occurrence of an instance of a given class of phenomena.
< 1434945246 593744 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That class of phenomena being "redness of hair".
< 1434945258 34818 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I should say "rednesses of hair".
< 1434945273 80128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you didn't even say about meaningless belief, so I suppose it can be OK in case some do.
< 1434945280 311462 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the meaningfulness of a belief can hinge solely on the truth-value of another belief? I'm not sure that makes sense
< 1434945297 928579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I am not so sure either, actually...?
< 1434945329 850513 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm gonna slink back into my channel and revolutionize philosophy.
< 1434945365 527828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, write some more book about philosophy.
< 1434945412 370006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One book I have about philosophy, one thing it says, someone said you can write a serious philosophical text consisting entirely of jokes. And they also said you can write a serious philosophical text consisting entirely of questions (without answers).
< 1434945428 969934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least first one I know is possible because it has been done (the Principia Discordia).
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< 1434950027 731321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He who lives by the sword, dies by the gun. He who lives by the gun, dies by the _______
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< 1434952270 201877 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :Government 
< 1434952427 495272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomic bomb
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< 1434956255 621238 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to sort out my life
< 1434956262 263394 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1434956265 128944 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't tend to do anything until I get really frustrated
< 1434956330 292034 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "why the hell am I still in bed?" or "why the hell have I not shaved in three weeks?"
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< 1434958743 330908 :heroux_!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-hmjjhfgdvvohyltl NICK :heroux
< 1434958759 676849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask tswett Just to clear something up, are you physically larger than the average person twh
< 1434958759 730654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1434959675 429724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR
< 1434959692 394608 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1434959717 664402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR
< 1434959723 99257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan
< 1434959729 958349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1434959737 748530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR
< 1434959738 504596 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who told you this?
< 1434959746 364627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1434959780 480292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf  oerjan: what's all this <-- I don't remember hth
< 1434959780 534091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1434959836 351881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hg log wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR
< 1434959839 109735 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg: unknown command 'log wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR' \ Mercurial Distributed SCM \  \ basic commands: \  \  add         add the specified files on the next commit \  annotate    show changeset information by line for each file \  clone       make a copy of an existing repository \  commit      commit the specified files or all outstanding changes \  d
< 1434959845 946563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1434959854 103765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg log wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR
< 1434959855 226950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changeset:   5014:66f6a5ade413 \ user:        HackBot \ date:        Thu Oct 02 04:37:09 2014 +0000 \ summary:      echo \'Who told you this?\' >wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR
< 1434959865 191050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very illuminating
< 1434960141 90512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password
< 1434960142 165337 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is 'PlayItSweetly,TakeMeDown,Oh,Jazzman'
< 1434960156 513911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/password
< 1434960159 975545 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman oerjan oerjan oerjan mroman_
< 1434960287 27673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf Actually, it was the password.  Ask mroman_.
< 1434960287 118151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1434960393 257308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -l wisdom/'irrelevant info'
< 1434960394 489112 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 10485760 Apr 15 07:51 wisdom/irrelevant info
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< 1434961005 304683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t base
< 1434961006 305436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integral a, Applicative f, Choice p) => Int -> p a (f a) -> p String (f String)
< 1434961026 398175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (#)
< 1434961027 447646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘)’
< 1434961034 84044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ( #)
< 1434961035 112867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘#)’
< 1434961037 141728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ( # )
< 1434961038 48215 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AReview t b -> b -> t
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< 1434962133 561058 :zadock!~outsider@81.180.210.86 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434962143 563895 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have shaved a sheep. https://twitter.com/J_Arcane/status/612890396985831424
< 1434962150 901750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (but it had survived for 55 months) <-- shachaf can be so brutal :(
< 1434962254 435807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/culprits
< 1434962254 950208 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg log --removed "$1" | grep summary: | awk '{print substr($2,2,length($2)-2)}' | sed "s/.$/\x0F&/" | xargs
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< 1434962403 956755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf  oerjan: why didn't you tell me twhh <-- (1) i didn't realize (2) it was your program (3) i don't really know awk hth
< 1434962404 13348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1434962482 802470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nitia
< 1434962483 728535 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia is the creator of all things. The BBC invented her.
< 1434962495 84924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am too late :(
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< 1434966955 64666 :qlkzy_!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com NICK :qlkzy
< 1434967119 939851 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :World War Z was a very disappointing movie.
< 1434967168 502819 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was just recently in the cinemas... but it appears to be from 2013 o_O
< 1434967221 318508 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :World War Z (2013) - IMDb
< 1434967255 598604 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice movie sense
< 1434967268 203795 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my memory.
< 1434967276 197754 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It mixes up things in time.
< 1434967408 311160 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside of what you presumed, when you experienced it you judged it correctly :D 
< 1434967444 156804 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombie outbreak yet brad pitt catches 4 flights crashes and survives all of them
< 1434967504 446325 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :super fast walking zombies
< 1434967524 70465 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1434967554 367937 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zombies make no sense.
< 1434967560 995805 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are supposedly "undead".
< 1434967589 619386 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :undead should be a synonym for "alive".
< 1434967643 373873 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to make somebody undead: Infect the person with rabbies and make it not feel pain
< 1434967644 317156 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434967668 356324 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :People infected with rabbies behave really cool
< 1434967680 743528 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rabies
< 1434967744 695925 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it can lay dormant for 5 years
< 1434967784 66073 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike the zombies in World War Z in which zombification happens in a matter of seconds.
< 1434967840 834709 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^imdb
< 1434967848 880496 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1434967890 358691 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1434967893 102017 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thor is from 2011?
< 1434967900 573260 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck
< 1434967954 902099 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just wake up from hypersleep?
< 1434967961 44282 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was supposed to be a guy to greet you
< 1434967972 929105 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1434967984 763285 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that my job
< 1434968052 729462 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you often in #esoteric?
< 1434968087 47083 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1434968088 508538 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where's elliot
< 1434968094 529572 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know why im here
< 1434968151 407134 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1434968350 57964 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1434968363 747347 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember watching Fast & Furiuos 7
< 1434968400 704812 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I remember it as pretty boring
< 1434968413 88528 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very unrealistic.
< 1434968693 997038 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434969541 151356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It mixes up things in time. <-- do you remember things from the future?  inquiring minds want to know!
< 1434969561 669534 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. mroman_'s a time-travelling agent?
< 1434969610 164804 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhm... no.
< 1434969639 225356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: his memory is disconnected from time
< 1434969655 63695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliot
< 1434969662 621227 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1434969662 800740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1434969662 910819 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1434969662 964764 :kenj0!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1434969663 18461 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1434969663 243953 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1434969663 316211 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1434969663 432982 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1434969663 527025 :staffehn_!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1434969671 118640 :qlkzy_!~qlkzy@176.58.127.28 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434969671 352716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one was ever called Elliot.
< 1434969674 804616 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@vps2.conus.info JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434969680 469085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1434969682 474034 :v4s!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434969687 921978 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434969688 874163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: hth
< 1434969696 518460 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434969696 614204 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? eliot
< 1434969697 327038 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eliot inverted cats, then Taneb stole his inversion.
< 1434969697 380838 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434969701 38463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know where elliott is either...

< 1434969730 10528 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434969766 933937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? eliott
< 1434969767 626450 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliott? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1434969789 45047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`Learn Eliott completes the set of stupid spellings.
< 1434969789 598100 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: Learn: not found
< 1434969794 172647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Eliott completes the set of stupid spellings.
< 1434969797 7257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'eliott': Eliott completes the set of stupid spellings.
< 1434969844 27701 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen him in a while.
< 1434969860 815156 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott where do you happen to be at hth
< 1434969860 916760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1434969881 890316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik he's not been on freenode at all for a while, so lambdabot is unlikely to help
< 1434970137 407598 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434971121 860063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We provide source code distributions in a variety of archive types. Generally, speaking, Windows users should download .zip files. Users of all other operating systems should download .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 files." -- huh, why would I do that? if it's mostly source code, the .bz2 files will be 60% the size of the .zip files, I won't download zips even on windows when the bz2 is there.
< 1434971167 564701 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because windows users need a program to extract tar.bz2 that isn't typically there?
< 1434971187 692839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's there. it's among the first thing I install, ever.
< 1434971197 860742 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you do
< 1434971211 886200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I want to download this source code thing from the internet, I may as well download 7z first
< 1434971221 462722 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, >you< install it.
< 1434971253 994672 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do you pay per MB of bandwidth?
< 1434971286 356083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy: the bandwidth doesn't matter, but my disk space isn't free, and I won't recompress everything I download
< 1434971302 506163 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do you pay for disk space per MB? $0.02 ?
< 1434971331 411681 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a company machine, disk space there costs much more than on my home machine
< 1434971370 651121 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the company charge you extra?
< 1434971404 173102 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have like four gigabytes of installers, many of them large tarballs or zips of a hundred megabyte size, though they're mostly binaries, not source code
< 1434971443 506537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, the compression probably matters only for those few very large installers, not these small ones
< 1434971451 986779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for these ones I could get the zip
< 1434971478 550126 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20100923/640/ancient_computer_ads_640_high_08.jpg
< 1434971567 451271 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 8GB pendrive costs $5 on ebay
< 1434971610 546263 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, the kind that's slow and unreliable. storage costs much more when you want it fast and redundant with backups.
< 1434971688 447993 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you don't get something for nothing
< 1434971709 790747 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for redundancy, you'd need 2 pendrives. that'd be $10.
< 1434971763 840550 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Google Drive, gives you 15 GB storage for free.
< 1434971792 318829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1434971913 358038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be ridiculous, I have 700 gigabytes of data just on this workstation, half of it hard to reproduce video data, I need real hard disks, fast and reliable, not pendrive junk
< 1434971985 945807 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those cost about 128 EUR per two terabyte disk
< 1434972004 645986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's an approximate prize, not an offer)
< 1434972023 857182 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imagine "not for sale" written accross the image in red letters)
< 1434972181 951556 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1434972328 718737 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Average Cost Per Gigabyte" - year 2014: $0.03
< 1434972339 203079 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.statisticbrain.com/average-cost-of-hard-drive-storage/
< 1434972380 719877 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you whine about some 1MB installer being .zip and not .bz2
< 1434972394 93685 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not some 1 MB installer. I said I have 100 MB installers.
< 1434972397 225781 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/installer/source package/
< 1434972400 434109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 1 MB installers don't matter
< 1434972418 162267 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... if 1 GB HDD storage costs $0.03, then.... 100 MB installers storage cost is.. $0.003
< 1434972424 404673 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than the price of a chewing gum
< 1434972461 789880 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have 2 terabyte disks anyways, to store your 700 GB of videos
< 1434972474 553546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, twice as much, the "average cost per gigabyte" is made up mostly of unreliable or slow hard disks, or hard disks bought in hundreds for data centers in which case they get it cheaper
< 1434972487 813730 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, sorry. then it costs $0.006
< 1434972491 806609 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost a cent
< 1434972503 753134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, 400 GB of videos locally on this workstation, there's more on the big servers
< 1434972513 118992 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other 300 GB is not videos but miscellaneous data
< 1434972528 103973 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MOAT CHICKEN
< 1434972551 238966 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anf you have "like four gigabytes of installers"
< 1434972553 378916 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1434972561 929760 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's <1% of all your data on your local workstation
< 1434972590 232711 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculating with double of 'average price of HDD per gigabyte', that'd cost you $0.24 in storage
< 1434972728 108999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not less than 1%, because I have about 4 gigabytes of installers total
< 1434972734 945113 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 2%
< 1434972738 808689 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever
< 1434972743 474789 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have 400 GB of videos. 4 GB is 1% of 400 GB
< 1434972752 112194 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have 400 GB of videos and 300 GB of other data, that's 700 GB
< 1434972781 708019 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GB out of 700GB, is 0.14%.
< 1434972796 885605 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even one percent.
< 1434972811 547146 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i mean...
< 1434972823 286366 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 GB out of 700 GB, that's 0.57%.
< 1434972855 28399 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your total storage is 2 TB, then 4 GB installers consume 0.2% of your total storage.
< 1434972875 730147 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your 2 TB storage cost 128 EUR, then 0.2% of 128 EUR cost 0.25 EUR.
< 1434972892 215572 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Average cost per gigabyte of mirrored, backed-up, network-attached storage is more like $0.1 per month
< 1434973056 245663 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like amazon s3 goes with $0.03 (not including backup)
< 1434973068 45115 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, b_jonas's 4 GB of installers mirrored, backed-up, network-attached storage cost would be $0.4 per month.
< 1434973126 355906 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding 100 MB to it increases monthly cost by $0.01 per month, or one cent per month.
< 1434973173 165365 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. Note that unpacking the source tarball is going to use the same amount of space at any rate, so whatever
< 1434973579 476684 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't modern filesystems use compression anyway?
< 1434973612 710331 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessariyl
< 1434973635 55312 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some may do, but afaik it's optional, not by default
< 1434973658 303835 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: no, at least not by default because that would be slow, and definitely not the kind of strong compression that would recompress a zip archive to a bz2 archive
< 1434973659 473247 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ones do?
< 1434973689 910518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be the default because it's often slow
< 1434973705 845228 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTFS can do it 
< 1434973706 130271 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434973709 177225 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's optional.
< 1434973718 59506 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can configure it per folder
< 1434973742 177663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: sure, but most large files that make sense to be compressed are compressed anyawy
< 1434973743 283995 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only "modern filesystem" in common use that does
< 1434973759 606294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I said, 400 gigabytes of videos on this workstation, and those are all compressed
< 1434973770 950501 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by filesystem
< 1434973772 626650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :much of the rest of large data is compressed too
< 1434973780 211540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, not by the filesystem, but in a lossy way
< 1434973856 475284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undoubtedly trying to compress already compressed audio/video files probably won't do much
< 1434973890 381400 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things that would benefit from compression is usually very small and HDDs today are huge
< 1434973893 436451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: well, I've seen messed up video files where it would help, but yes
< 1434973904 839592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these aren't that
< 1434973922 204382 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most multimedia formats dont' compress well (because, already compressed usually)
< 1434973922 258158 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if you could get some extra compression if you do it not on a file basis
< 1434973928 590792 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on a more global basis
< 1434973937 274161 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as HDD sectors and what not
< 1434973937 629875 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :textfiles compress well
< 1434973940 786448 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, SSD firmwares have tried to do data compression. That experience has shown us all why it's generally a bad idea
< 1434973941 197916 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are usually small.
< 1434973970 479797 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Ah. Ok.
< 1434973986 352220 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some file systems allow mounting a .zip or .tar.gz
< 1434973987 817598 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(File sizes become unpredictable, and compression code is complicated and buggy, adjectives you don't want in a filesystem or block device)
< 1434974023 244721 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even bzip2
< 1434974064 211844 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: "TrueZIP is a Java based virtual file system (VFS) which enables client applications to perform CRUD (Create, Read, Update, Delete) operations on archive files as if they were virtual directories, even with nested archive files in multithreaded environments"
< 1434974128 47885 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434974159 981188 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds terrible for performance
< 1434974240 937817 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting.
< 1434974263 437483 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also some google userspace fs based on google mail or something
< 1434974282 690638 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also on my windows there's this weird cloud folder
< 1434974306 562063 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :SkyDrive(tm)(r)
< 1434974318 552720 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, compression always decreases performance. there's no free lunch
< 1434974346 78537 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no way to update a file in a zip archive in place
< 1434974360 421659 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet they do it somehow.
< 1434974385 973158 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to either move all the later files, or append the new file to the end and leave a hole in the archive
< 1434974401 42440 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a file size changes you can insert a comment between it and the next file
< 1434974418 813630 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but not if the size increases
< 1434974432 49509 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you leave a hole and append at end.
< 1434974434 246597 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hmm, maybe you can move some of the other files to the end?)
< 1434974440 90009 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you write another, smaller file, then you fill the hole.
< 1434974553 457639 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what filesystems do anyway :)
< 1434974557 341947 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1434974559 285365 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is terrible for performance because it can lead to unbounded fragmentation
< 1434974559 956462 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old ones
< 1434974568 356955 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sucky ones
< 1434974575 803314 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, filesystems allocate files in blocks
< 1434974585 566621 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: just like with traditional filesystems.
< 1434974593 676166 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern ones fragment less
< 1434974626 25108 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but can lead to other problems, like ext4 delayed allocation can cause data loss if there's a power outage)
< 1434974634 361064 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I know.
< 1434974652 251823 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: so filesystems waste an entire block, even if you write 1 byte :)
< 1434974665 398305 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still bounded (and internal) fragmentation
< 1434974709 269624 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe trueZIP defragments .zip files.
< 1434974724 761766 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how you defragment disks in windows...
< 1434974730 44884 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1434974743 73849 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'all heard of 3d fractals?
< 1434974752 121608 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even very old filesystems, such as the ones in Version 7 Unix, use block allocation for files)
< 1434974770 464067 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one said the contrary.
< 1434974793 710332 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can't do that with zip archives.
< 1434974815 466342 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :punch card file systems ftw
< 1434974864 965435 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be the point of 'allocating blocks' with zip archives? the point of zip archives is files to be small, not to waste an entire block even for a tiny file
< 1434974870 302388 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd defeat its purpose
< 1434974880 953190 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PART :#esoteric
< 1434974909 714440 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, so treating a zip archive like a filesystem is inherently a bad idea
< 1434974913 844931 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some FS let you configure the cluster sizes
< 1434974927 255865 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on if you have a lot of small sizes or a bunch of huge files
< 1434974930 678223 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: when it's read-only, it's actually not a bad idea
< 1434974932 852892 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*small files
< 1434974941 601434 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys talking about physfs?
< 1434974958 834680 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd foo.tar.gz
< 1434974960 237468 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -lah
< 1434974963 296541 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be cool
< 1434974976 564452 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp foo.tar.gz/toextract.txt ./
< 1434974987 187215 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some fuse fs could do it
< 1434974993 289496 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't need this weird tar util anymore
< 1434975010 594644 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, most modern filesystems just inline small files into the inode or squash multiple files into one block
< 1434975016 310322 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: there's zcat
< 1434975017 312029 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1434975051 898540 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zcat foo.tar.gz >toextract.txt
< 1434975188 750009 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though tar uses ascii, I don't think that's normally what you want
< 1434975243 753202 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :extension said .txt
< 1434975247 627033 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that normally implies ASCII
< 1434975268 212972 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not normally imply that an entire tar file is inside it, though.
< 1434975287 127809 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, then zcat foo.gz >toextract.txt
< 1434975380 313646 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, you might as well use gunzip -c which actually does unpack gzip files (as opposed to zcat which may not work with gzip format on some systems)
< 1434975410 336748 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure.
< 1434975483 534759 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1434975486 402955 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar can ungzip as well
< 1434975540 989489 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the z option
< 1434975543 769797 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in xvz
< 1434975702 296690 :qlkzy_!~qlkzy@176.58.127.28 NICK :qlkzy
< 1434975784 9091 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1434976177 254000 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: BBS
< 1434976454 621421 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434976510 236602 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434976600 28627 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1434978954 758913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought you realized. Never mind.
< 1434978977 919645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was mostly wondering why a wisdom/ entry inaccessible with `? exists.
< 1434978988 586311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Apparently you know?
< 1434979024 791427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should create a better entry for nitia twh
< 1434980276 720423 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434980479 394151 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Know what?
< 1434980516 717184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR
< 1434980517 353813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who told you this?
< 1434980541 842121 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the password.
< 1434980562 918570 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have asked the mighty machine for the password
< 1434980574 565809 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the password is XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR
< 1434980580 672004 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet, it couldn't say what for.
< 1434980728 402021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: that's impossible. there's only one Q tile, and words longer than 15 letters can't fit on the board
< 1434980757 236868 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR"
< 1434980758 749316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16
< 1434980769 242695 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 doesn't exist in the 2^n system
< 1434980782 31120 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for integer n)
< 1434980981 435278 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qzyzzalroum
< 1434980982 304613 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should start the crossword over.
< 1434981318 107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: but it's inaccessible with `? tdnh
< 1434981364 977346 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hthth
< 1434981742 825996 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messeses-loud
< 1434981742 971649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 6h 23m 3s ago: Just to clear something up, are you physically larger than the average person twh
< 1434981759 956779 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Yes (due primarily to lean mass).
< 1434981760 10570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1434981933 547639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1434981933 650356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 6h 9m 13s ago:  oerjan: what's all this <-- I don't remember hth
< 1434981933 704208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 6h 47s ago: Actually, it was the password. Ask mroman_.
< 1434981933 704270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 5h 25m 30s ago:  oerjan: why didn't you tell me twhh <-- (1) i didn't realize (2) it was your program (3) i don't really know awk hth
< 1434981966 549714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't really know awk either and i thought the program was matching on <> because i'd already forgotten how it worked hth
< 1434982032 33013 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-084-062-101-158.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar
< 1434983142 260330 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434983280 92580 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1434983290 309714 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR
< 1434983291 30618 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1434983299 241675 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1434983300 896286 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is funny
< 1434983317 5268 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it fits.
< 1434983322 565178 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since we don't know what it's for.
< 1434983360 272711 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/XQ*
< 1434983361 96156 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/XQ*: No such file or directory
< 1434983368 398188 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -lah wisdom/
< 1434983369 129001 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try listing it in private instead.
< 1434983376 550176 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1434983391 623202 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434983418 925095 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1434983471 591648 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434983481 99138 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's probably because ? does a lower-case
< 1434983497 883775 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the file is upper-case
< 1434983505 763351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know.
< 1434983523 737764 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally, the password is upper-case
< 1434983529 289407 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so making it lower-case would be totally wrong
< 1434984467 62108 :ThePendulum!~ThePendul@54195818.cm-5-2b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434984470 447610 :ThePendulum!~ThePendul@54195818.cm-5-2b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PART :#esoteric
< 1434984886 254587 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/XQ*
< 1434984887 72746 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR
< 1434984899 452711 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR
< 1434984900 169121 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1434984904 978395 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR
< 1434984905 548433 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who told you this?
< 1434984944 487547 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1434984974 236573 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I was planning to say or do something.
< 1434985107 341252 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cool.
< 1434985131 302516 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as cool as playing video games while dissociating
< 1434985209 641957 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving...
< 1434985442 802361 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434985592 262937 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom/XQ*
< 1434985598 348573 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan
< 1434985609 36222 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom
< 1434985611 35638 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan shachaf shachaf tswett oerjan oerjan oerjan hppavilion1 shachaf tswett oerjan oerjan oerjan mroman oerjan oerjan shachaf shachaf shachaf oerjan shachaf orenn orenn ais523 shachaf shachaf tswett shachaf shachaf shachaf shachaf shachaf hppavilion1 hppavilion1_ coppro ais523 Taneb oerjan tswett orenn shac
< 1434985680 140833 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how do I make your country stop being terrible?
< 1434985712 24892 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :by stopping it from existing
< 1434985816 684808 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434985873 867096 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, dissociated gaming is the best.
< 1434986191 890575 :hilquias!~user@187.59.244.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434986195 728566 :hilquias!~user@187.59.244.172 QUIT :Changing host
< 1434986195 782317 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434986489 651053 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/ASCII_art/mandelbrot
< 1434986582 623949 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Gibberish/JavaScript/HTML_interpreter I find spam here
< 1434986602 639087 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless yunpan is not spam
< 1434987206 21099 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :read more carefully
< 1434987237 328519 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not spam, it's just the authors of those articles have trouble communicating in english
< 1434987244 760435 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434987257 779753 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on behalf of that person, I feel offended.
< 1434987270 68837 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for you
< 1434987308 311319 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1434987778 69762 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Table14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43258&oldid=43241 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+50) 10/* Arithmetic */ isn't Table code...
< 1434987859 533315 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-hmjjhfgdvvohyltl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1434987865 466530 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434988443 866250 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1434988882 526278 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@151.42.32.144 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434989323 460141 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-084-062-101-158.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434990477 158231 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a TC esolang that uses every chinese kanji for a different thing, and is not turing complete if any one character is removed from the language
< 1434990631 869728 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be hard enough for every number from 0 to 9, wouldn't it?
< 1434990653 628704 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes very hard
< 1434990659 855233 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :espelically if oerjan is around
< 1434990892 661835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434990893 720553 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434990898 284624 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1434991474 362777 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434991514 376402 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kxiekluuepjvmnbm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434991779 40782 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@151.42.32.144 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1434991784 105532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1434991909 828375 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1434992397 692707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the name for good features where you had to implement nothing for the feature to work, it just fell out from the rest of the design?
< 1434992400 118897 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434992480 272321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :an example I'm fond of is quantity control in eye drops. no matter how much liquid you get into your eyes from an eye drops, the right amount will remain in your eyes and the extra will flow out on the bottom because your eyes just can't hold it. so the quantity is entirely self-regulating, and the container doesn't have to do anything for this.
< 1434992495 703810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result, the only way to take too much eye drops is if you use it too frequently.
< 1434992522 908561 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1434992531 930760 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are some ways to take too few eye drops, or the wrong type, or use it when you shouldn't use it at all of course)
< 1434993093 435793 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I dunno.
< 1434993148 843880 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434994902 666182 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's because eyes have their own lubricating system built in
< 1434994935 2808 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And given people cry sometimes, that has to drain properly
< 1434994955 343604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yes, but it's free for the eyedrops
< 1434995007 840262 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you didn't do anything for a feature, is it your feature?
< 1434995623 114430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434996225 84372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1434996262 588011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :'(
< 1434996524 186390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434996974 938947 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1434997313 578481 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
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< 1434997923 202532 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :(
< 1434997965 499016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: When did you say you're moving here?
< 1434998109 466006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1434998145 441799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just rebooted because the network adapter was malfunctioning
< 1434998155 573067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and remembered to check the parent PID of Abiword this time
< 1434998157 743443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is… upstart!
< 1434998170 978792 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1434998171 945834 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1434998181 400866 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tohught ubuntu is using systmed
< 1434998181 803432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the feeling that upstart is upset that this is a systemd system now
< 1434998185 572512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: it is
< 1434998188 430829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's using upstart too somehow
< 1434998189 910962 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O
< 1434998190 679877 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1434998191 945434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when upstart is being upstart, not init
< 1434998195 353078 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck...
< 1434998197 158740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just utterly craz
< 1434998200 578732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crazy
< 1434998207 614630 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can delete upstart
< 1434998209 84139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or this is some sort of malware pretending to be upstart
< 1434998217 255115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't get why malware would open abiword
< 1434998226 206668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you sure nitia didn't start it up?
< 1434998269 481264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :upstart's parent is /usr/sbin/lightdm (running as root, not ais523)
< 1434998280 620725 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's great
< 1434998286 778789 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe trollware?
< 1434998288 406121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lightdm has caused problems for me too
< 1434998305 455480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all lightdm does is run your desktop environment thing.
< 1434998337 49414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the only time the boot failed
< 1434998341 344494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lightdm was involved somehow
< 1434998348 142694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tried to start for about 30 seconds, gave up
< 1434998353 534312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then did a clean shutdown of the system
< 1434998423 193756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but up until now I hadn't made the connection that lightdm = gdm equivalent, not metacity/compiz equivalent
< 1434998476 989605 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of lightdm behaving like that
< 1434998528 185990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well you can easily blame systemd, or even plymouth (I was reading the messages that boot, which might be related)
< 1434998811 163258 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "Soon".
< 1434998823 399889 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next couple weeks or so?
< 1434999000 955318 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's the phrase "happy accident", but that's sort of informal.
< 1434999050 860791 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should call it an "accidental feature".
< 1434999571 400485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1434999760 225448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an international campaign to outlaw subwoofers i think twh in this building
< 1434999774 71523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1434999774 125383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett said 5h 14s ago: Yes (due primarily to lean mass).
< 1434999820 441794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sgtm
< 1434999852 425044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :international campaign to outlaw subwoofers in oerjan's building
< 1434999886 456287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :subwoofers are terrible. worse than dogs.
< 1434999896 334821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogs are just regular woofers
< 1434999898 869466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately dogs are p. good so that's not saying v. much
< 1435000089 360901 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Superwoofers?
< 1435000363 699804 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://medium.com/relevant-stories/rel-chapter-1-907ff616bf80
< 1435000398 417103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nortti
< 1435000403 410340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I was mixing you up with nitia.
< 1435000415 436975 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf
< 1435000415 861381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I thought that was a real nick or something.
< 1435000433 434304 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia?
< 1435000444 621604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is gone. :-(
< 1435000457 636449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia created a bunch of files in the HackEgo repository.
< 1435000469 859713 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1435000474 79299 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not them
< 1435000479 93730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to `culprits
< 1435000487 881150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a broken script.
< 1435000499 555359 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as?
< 1435000506 408143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes up people like nitia and estin
< 1435000514 942171 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1435000519 79653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fix HackEgo twh
< 1435000531 53903 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that URL supposed to be relevant?
< 1435000552 615277 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that url is irrelevant, but on relevant
< 1435000600 505373 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that json-based lang they created seemes esoteric-y
< 1435000652 606592 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1435000660 552283 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :json language
< 1435000698 50250 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1435000738 461238 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I thought we have to ping fizzie or elliott for that
< 1435000756 804879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Guest62171?
< 1435000774 208891 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no longer run by gregor?
< 1435000788 441790 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1435000804 681681 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This looks like one of those languages that should have remained esoteric
< 1435000807 679277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how the esolangs.org takeover is going

< 1435000965 848357 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this 100% looks like a esolang
< 1435000991 204412 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :its actually worse though
< 1435001233 145653 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1435001319 405156 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :XSLT for TC XML
< 1435001325 577870 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stupid thing for TC JSON
< 1435001330 482865 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :that CA thing for TC CSS
< 1435001340 443843 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get a full stack of tc languages
< 1435001363 767543 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :    "_RETURN":{"_MATH":"{foo}+{var}"}
< 1435001372 739100 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function “_MATH”, from the above example, parses a string into a mathematical expression and returns its result.
< 1435001381 556531 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats legit
< 1435001388 864584 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happens if you want to name something starting with an _
< 1435001395 78700 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kybvcdeoaieavdto PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds better than javascript
< 1435001427 595567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: I thought we have to ping fizzie or elliott for that <-- Gregor, not elliott.
< 1435001441 73018 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the sort of programming language that you invent by accident.
< 1435001455 126826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macro-RDF for TC RDF
< 1435001467 291652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it seems to me that pinging any of those three is about equally effective hth
< 1435001487 204419 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make sure to use sendmail for mailing your webapp's users and you're good to go
< 1435001639 1241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ :return [ :add _:foo, _:bar ] ]
< 1435001639 634575 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: |syntax error
< 1435001639 688457 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: |        :return[ :add _:foo,_:bar]]
< 1435001657 790787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if it is syntax error, that's fine with me
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< 1435002121 830070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: it seems to me that pinging any of those three is about equally effective hth <-- that is true.  although elliott isn't even on the network.
< 1435002147 175924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nevertheless hth
< 1435002175 580914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ping
< 1435002178 85450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest62171: ping
< 1435002259 956786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ping
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< 1435002560 196814 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1435002852 68526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie has disappeared into the google black hole hth
< 1435003055 643568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 64
< 1435003066 245899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, here it is.
< 1435003118 582552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :=HackEgo> danddreclist 64: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex
< 1435003153 801904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course shachaf is the only one actually here...
< 1435003172 326807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped reading danddreclist a while ago.
< 1435003261 466632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, you could modify thutubot to link to HackEgo instead of lambdabot that would help >:P
< 1435003270 677969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you still want your name on their though or do you want to remove it afterward?
< 1435003275 101289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*twh
< 1435003296 373660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not like thutubot's been online in ages
< 1435003301 800003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a crazy idea. I think it wouldn't be too difficult to build a sort of distributed vcs layer over svn, 
< 1435003334 962414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we only had an exploit to actually get HackEgo to reconnect...
< 1435003397 977849 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you can create branches that track a remote svn repostiroy, and you can fetch to and push to it, and it could even be very compatible with ordinary svn in the sense that you could use ordinary svn for any operation that's within a repository.
< 1435003434 67194 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you don't mind it being not as efficient with disk space and caches as a first-class distributed vcs.
< 1435003438 76502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There are several versions of this already, aren't there?
< 1435003446 812216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think it wouldn't even be very difficult to build such a thing.
< 1435003453 360071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :svk, git-svn
< 1435003466 224776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know of any. I've seen several that can *pull* but not push.
< 1435003489 617768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1435003501 26916 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'll have to look at git-svn because I'm not too familiar with it, but I think that's not what I want
< 1435003525 81798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's not.
< 1435003540 585127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll have to look at git-svn anyway, because people praise it, even if it's not for this.
< 1435003562 732896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, I'm not completely sure this is possible, and how hard it is, I'm still trying to figure out the details.
< 1435003591 601852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I decide it's not very difficult, I might even try to write such a thing myself, because I like subversion and I'd totally use something like this.
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< 1435003738 33857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi copumpkin
< 1435003748 30099 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cohi pumpkin
< 1435003759 547199 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like subversion because it is designed well, it has a good interface, and keeps improving all the time.
< 1435003797 427962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about working of Subversion
< 1435003825 110165 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but it's a CCVS
< 1435003845 122274 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err CVCS
< 1435003881 724928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is meaning what?
< 1435003885 965489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what does that mean?
< 1435003891 187868 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CVCS"?
< 1435003900 454022 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :centralized version control system
< 1435003911 605021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes, and that's exactly the problem this would fix
< 1435003968 386551 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want a cnetralized system to begin with, though?
< 1435004034 818588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I said above, because svn is designed and implemented well, it has a good interface, and keeps improving so I get new goodies but all compatibility with every minor version upgrade,
< 1435004053 629536 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also existing people are using svn so I could use this to existing svn repositories.
< 1435004101 705898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, I like svn, and I think many people who don't like it don't like it because they've got their impressions from older versions of svn (especially ones before 1.5) which weren't as good as current ones are.
< 1435004110 606197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't seem to have Subversion in my computer though
< 1435004118 593105 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can probably install. 
< 1435004134 418672 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the executable is called svn , if you want to check if it's already on
< 1435004148 986225 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did check that, I don't have it on Cygwin.
< 1435004161 395652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the homepage is http://subversion.apache.org/ which tells you how to install
< 1435004176 792155 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I don't know cygwin, I don't know if there's a cygwin version
< 1435004181 881307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a native windows version
< 1435004210 595874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn is quite portable, they develop it so it works well on windows (unless it's version old versions of windows) as much as that's possible
< 1435004220 648347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need a Cygwin version; I just checked there because if I had it, that is where it would be.
< 1435004430 167216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and when I said it would be compatible with svn, imagine the disclaimer that that's as long as all the repositories and svn servers are svn 1.5 or later)
< 1435004444 565253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but using svn older than that is a bad idea anyway)
< 1435004570 399418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: I thought you realized. Never mind. <-- i realized what the nitia entries were but not that it was due to a bug in your program
< 1435004584 609541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a feature hth
< 1435004656 146376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
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< 1435005517 741996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if someone made something like this, it might count as esoteric enough for this channel.
< 1435005651 30280 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitia is my favourite user
< 1435005724 645942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is this nitia person anyway?
< 1435005773 776726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits bin/list
< 1435005779 705980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1435005799 604313 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nitia
< 1435005801 632328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's hard to demonstrate without HackEgo tdnh
< 1435005826 269680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, is that the only place it comes from?
< 1435005836 49224 :nitia!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1435005855 312849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh someone actually nicked to it...
< 1435005868 119301 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's mine now
< 1435005871 38965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very nortti boy
< 1435005884 334639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Information on nitia (account nortti):
< 1435006268 244427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still using rsync -e "sudo -u" as a convenient way to copy files between users
< 1435006293 820450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sudo cp; sudo chown?
< 1435006307 481853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that requires root
< 1435006320 399616 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this works even between two non-root users if I have sudo permissions
< 1435006325 508680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the method I use when retrieving read-protected files from nethack4.org is to get the destination user to make an a+r copy
< 1435006334 86661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to use root when I don't have to, even if I have root access, to avoid mistakes
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< 1435011711 675716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 991
< 1435011722 365251 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 991: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1435011740 309234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome HackEgo
< 1435011745 482451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
< 1435011763 137379 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1435012248 358182 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hauts
< 1435012253 527273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HireFly
< 1435012257 244373 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A French word, pronouned /o/.
< 1435012257 416190 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                          |
< 1435012257 494358 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                         /|
< 1435012265 113390 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, myndzi.
< 1435012271 791412 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thyndzi.
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< 1435013506 294922 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf
< 1435013516 450385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1435013534 872397 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do?
< 1435013550 787039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what?
< 1435013574 630207 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it going? what's up? how's life?
< 1435013624 793186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1435013698 119530 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds positive
< 1435013881 509534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know hth
< 1435013886 704015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's your life
< 1435013891 526013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we living the same life
< 1435014012 688436 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question
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