< 1434240001 524501 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but most countries are sticklers for citizenship requirements < 1434240013 417968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a citizen of three countries which all have presidents. < 1434240014 170570 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know, I'm only eligible for one citizenship I don't have < 1434240024 483020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I hear it's pretty easy to buy some more. < 1434240026 354395 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the ones you pay for/invest < 1434240039 930002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can be president of Finland either. :-( < 1434240044 959108 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think panama will let me become one if I invest a mere $1m into it < 1434240046 397592 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I THINK that's the last bug < 1434240049 254127 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some comparable figure < 1434240054 486813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for norway you'd have to live there for 7 years unless they've changed that (and getting permission to live there might be tricky for many people) < 1434240092 487093 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: yes, the UK would be much more difficult to change. I wouldn't recommend that. < 1434240097 517782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :oren_ found the last bug| The Collatz files | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1434240104 448567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :oren_ found the last bug | The Collatz files | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1434240108 483866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1434240110 711349 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: haha!, wait, are you serious? < 1434240112 835993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote norway < 1434240113 482763 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :806) unfortunately df is not yet able to simulate norway \ 1087) are you saying the rockies and some mountains in norway are the same range \ 1231) i guess norway just isn't cold < 1434240134 970073 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sort of. I don't SEE anyhting worng out of 10 games I've tested < 1434240147 369645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: try for President of Republic in Hungary. there's no requirement that you have to be natural born, you only have to be a citizen and at least 35 years old. < 1434240153 735796 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1434240160 725902 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I get hungarian citizenship though? < 1434240164 491039 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it appears that the scrolling interpolation is bug free. < 1434240166 123940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there countries that don't require you to be a citizen? < 1434240189 128955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might run for president of hungry < 1434240191 203492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you could theoretically perhaps become president of the eu parliament < 1434240206 87964 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess < 1434240206 300158 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: ah so you have reached the point where "common usecases almost never break". < 1434240218 494540 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I just be the president of computing perhaps? < 1434240224 524930 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and outlaw stupid computing shit < 1434240245 423323 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm....mputing < 1434240247 165238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :outlaw turing completeness < 1434240253 512171 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1434240261 155534 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :outlaw untypes < 1434240262 498659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just outlaw nontermination < 1434240270 774536 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, where "common usecases" includes obscure Chinese unlicensed games < 1434240284 281941 :Wallacoloo!~colin@c-98-247-136-171.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1434240286 430742 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, I don < 1434240313 538425 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :t technically know that it works with nintendo licensed games < 1434240344 929051 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I have long since beaten all those and therefore haven't been playing them... < 1434240360 182876 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(all the ones I liked anyeay) < 1434240373 954770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: did you move yet? < 1434240375 820114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I think it's not very hard. you have to claim Hungarian ethnicity, which is the fastest route; or live here for a very long time, which is the slow route; or I think marrying a Hungarian citizen might also work as a fast route; or become a very good olympic class sportsman in a team sport and express your interest in playing in the Hungarian team if only you had citizenship, which is like the fastest express route < 1434240385 372621 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in the next couple of weeks :S < 1434240397 856889 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1434240405 71018 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hungarian background unfortunately, and not very sporty < 1434240408 111385 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd have to live there for a while < 1434240424 323676 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also hear hungary has draconian drug laws < 1434240427 93135 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm not a huge fan of < 1434240434 638526 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: of course, just becoming a citizen isn't enough, getting the parliment to actually elect you as president is difficult. can you have mind control a hundred adults? < 1434240451 286250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I hear just about every country has draconian drug laws. < 1434240459 353691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you don't have to _have_ hungarian background, you just have to claim and be able to fake it a bit. you may have to learn the language and culture a bit, but it's not very hard to do. < 1434240483 781156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: ethnicity is subjective so you can always claim you feel you are Hungarian. < 1434240497 607659 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: particularly draconian ones < 1434240513 268745 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually particularly stupid about that < 1434240521 815449 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: do you have any express route tips for becoming 35 years old? < 1434240536 63857 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a smallish bag o' weed while I was in amsterdam and forgot I had it < 1434240541 471503 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :went all around europe, got down to croatia, then crossed by train to hungary < 1434240546 834383 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :without realizing < 1434240550 874218 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My greatuncle became 18 at 14 < 1434240592 755992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with lots of drugs being illegal by default everywhere, anyway? < 1434240599 865905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I think the Chinese can give some hints for that. they supposedly aged some young gymnasts for the olympics illegally. < 1434240606 51776 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear they throw foreigners in jail for years all the time over shit like what I did < 1434240608 488308 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was lucky < 1434240618 973591 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :still clueless, I realized I had it in my hotel in budapest < 1434240622 6827 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and figured I might as well smoke it < 1434240623 112269 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I did < 1434240631 767784 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :still didn't get caught, but it would've been bad < 1434240659 108245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they're not illegal "by default". they explicitly made them illegal. < 1434240668 189269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1434240688 667605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: um, doesn't weed sometimes leave a characteristic small they can find even if they don't catch you red-handed? < 1434240690 751089 :Wallacoloo!~colin@c-98-247-136-171.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1434240694 659496 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know, maybe that's some other drugs < 1434240702 818011 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, but we smoked out the window < 1434240710 106107 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1434240712 806564 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :weed only smells when it is smoked < 1434240731 758555 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: oh yeah, out of the window. that's what all the tobacco smokers say, but you still get the room smelly when you do that. < 1434240748 844931 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess we were lucky :) < 1434240754 134293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't buy "out of the window" unless you actually go to the balcony. < 1434240759 794183 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps if I go back to hungary they'll arrest me on the spot < 1434240761 731080 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. people who smoke (either one) can't detect the smell of their drug < 1434240783 613307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: admittedly, the workers who clean up your room might not recognize what it's the smell of. I wouldn't. < 1434240796 749829 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I just happened to have a pet skunk" < 1434240802 24079 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1434240810 12448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how many people know what weed smells like. < 1434240829 796063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have almost no experience with drugs, luckily, so I don't know. < 1434240834 826668 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know because of my parents < 1434240839 915092 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and their friends < 1434240846 830204 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :60's hippies < 1434240857 839450 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've smoked <10 times in my life < 1434240863 505745 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun, but I prefer being lucid < 1434240997 384417 :vifino!vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1434241046 718449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1434241069 354622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoking seems to me like a pretty unpleasant way to consume drugs < 1434241090 715662 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a vaporizer is much better < 1434241163 442547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should say "inhaling". < 1434241170 50159 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only drug I take is coffee and on special occasions alcohol. < 1434241187 544858 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I would not know form personal experience < 1434241200 806577 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think it depends on the particular drug < 1434241220 617977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are used intravenously, or so I hear < 1434241310 917001 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would suspect that those would be ones that are destroyed by stomach acid? < 1434241331 826447 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't be brought to high temperatures < 1434241379 469086 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pharmacologist (or pharmacology student) would know < 1434241529 433793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1434241563 174125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : What's with lots of drugs being illegal by default everywhere, anyway? <-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs hth < 1434241883 896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a couple others. < 1434242045 625600 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, apparently LLVM is optimizing out infinite loops! < 1434242353 962516 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/0ZZwEKiq < 1434242372 445874 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under -O3 llvm outputs fail < 1434242383 37059 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, the resulting program does < 1434242449 682006 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, IMO, a huge bug < 1434242497 797161 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: make a small testcase, make sure it's really a bug, not some mistake you made, report the bug < 1434242535 222987 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a testcase in the pastebin above < 1434242776 94932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do coroutines in LLVM? < 1434242901 255523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: It should depend whether or not the infinite loop contains any external effects (including I/O, interrupts, accesses to volatile variables, and "do not optimize" flags). < 1434242924 172495 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1434242959 925747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hackego isn't running irssi? <-- why in the world would a bot use irssi < 1434242997 957053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434242998 781306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wecome/wecome in pece. < 1434243003 828566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434243004 663105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonvenon/Bonvenon al la internacia centro por la desegno kaj ellaso de esoteraj programlingvoj! Por pli da informado, vizitu la Viki-on: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Por la alia speco de esotero, iru al #esoteric sur irc.dal.net.) < 1434243007 373196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434243007 548794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434243008 348360 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan/Your famous evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. < 1434243008 524084 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :urbandictionary/Urban Dictionary is an alternative, inferior wisdom database. < 1434243009 451882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like the worst possible thing to parse the output of < 1434243037 829353 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would say that whether a program terminates is the most fundamental side effect < 1434243039 5260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering making slashlearn use mk < 1434243045 56467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :y/n? < 1434243053 827239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: unless it's actually written in irssi script, that is. < 1434243153 2564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren_: Yes it is, therefore a "do not optimize" flag after the loop also has to avoid it since the loop terminated, reaching the "do not optimize" flag even though it is supposed to be unreachable. This can make it a bit difficult. < 1434243195 535917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise the infinite loop should just be optimized into a single command which specifies that it is an infinite loop. < 1434243238 255580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I say it should optimize it, but rather than removing it entirely, it needs to optimize into a "please wait forever" command. < 1434243282 844346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm all for modularization hth < 1434243296 926368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so you're ok using // instead of /? < 1434243303 160334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, the C interface of the instruction architecture and operating system defines what the "please wait forever" command means. < 1434243310 121817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1434243319 935565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say that slashlearn shouldn't be changed in this way; if you need it, use mk instead < 1434243322 381669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well it's a feature < 1434243349 542544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i know < 1434243356 628182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll make le/rn use / and le//rn use // < 1434243360 971870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :by looking at $0 < 1434243392 489254 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like they alread know about this bug, < 1434243443 176707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regardless of how "please wait forever" is defined though, the specification must require that if the command ever returns, what happens afterward is undefined unless the program halts immediately; if it does halt immediately, it must be an error condition if the operating system supports these kind of error conditions. < 1434243461 857392 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/mk < 1434243462 33127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is allowed to define "please wait forever" as a simple infinite loop too though. < 1434243462 323029 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[[ "$1" == *//* ]] || exit 1; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$key" && echo "$key" < 1434243468 848890 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1434243538 295787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my opinion: If the infinite loop contains no external effects, it is allowed to optimize it into a "please wait forever" command. Does this seem like OK? (This also mean you can find this command in the optimized intermediate code if you look) < 1434243606 402617 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1434243629 131431 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a halt instruction on many architectures < 1434243948 910682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably on most systems it would actually compile into a program that does nothing and never finishes. For LLVM the "please wait forever" command would be considered as terminating a basic block; therefore the stuff after the infinite loop can be deleted by the optimizer. < 1434244145 2795 :boilyphone!~androirc@ip-50-21-136-94.dsl.netrevolution.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1434244166 850794 :boilyphone!~androirc@ip-50-21-136-94.dsl.netrevolution.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: hello! < 1434244353 189858 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1434244778 932486 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1434245102 814833 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1434245128 5516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SELECT TOTAL(RDF_VALUE(X))/COUNT() FROM G { ? a :Person; :age ?X }; -- That is a kind of "SQL+G" that I almost made up (but didn't implement), so that you can combine SQL with RDF. < 1434245141 700488 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1434245141 915912 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1434245468 546341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assumes that you have already issued a CREATE PREFIX or CREATE TEMPORARY PREFIX command to define the empty string prefix.) < 1434245724 117972 :lemurian!~sh4n3@unaffiliated/lemurian QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1434246329 831892 :a2!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1434246908 539994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1434247465 400162 :boilyphone!~androirc@ip-50-21-136-94.dsl.netrevolution.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1434248483 930276 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1434248715 538478 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1434248769 550947 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1434248966 297628 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. My algorithm does the most work when there isn;t any work to be doen < 1434248995 302377 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to cahe the results somehow < 1434249088 963066 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only need like, 2 bits < 1434249111 315624 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are some expensive bits to compute < 1434250069 810825 :lemurian!~sh4n3@unaffiliated/lemurian JOIN :#esoteric < 1434252614 168266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1434253503 703978 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1434253503 915805 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1434254563 351675 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good midnight! < 1434254820 970200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'morning < 1434255631 338472 :Wallacoloo!~colin@c-98-247-136-171.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1434255648 498114 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.2 < 1434255853 636974 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1434257036 224057 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1434257381 825543 :Wallacoloo!~colin@c-98-247-136-171.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1434257605 540509 :Wallacoloo!~colin@c-98-247-136-171.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1434257757 426828 :Wallacoloo!~colin@c-98-247-136-171.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1434259410 12238 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dzbczqlfbzlribmc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1434260743 50717 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tudxmldwasyelifs PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1434265439 201878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: What is that? < 1434265493 955516 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1434265568 706539 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tudxmldwasyelifs PRIVMSG #esoteric :mfw < 1434266523 588014 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tudxmldwasyelifs PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm writing a VM and and and it just did a correct operation < 1434267078 353117 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1434267956 67946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't I post a comment on http://www.websnark.com/archives/2005/10/god_shot_think.html ? It displays an error message but the HTTP response code is actually 200 OK < 1434267967 889481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Got an error: Bad ObjectDriver config" < 1434268088 808546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henn is bad too, but that is not seen in the pictures displayed there. < 1434268147 362899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As far as I am concerned, you can see from the full context that Suzy and Henn are both bad.) < 1434270147 36082 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1434270640 730385 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord < 1434270696 611228 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :paul2520: Oh. hackmode has been removed from Burlesque anyway. I'll remove the link. < 1434271060 206504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what is that hackmode that has been removed? < 1434271418 526599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1434272612 108174 :lemurian!~sh4n3@unaffiliated/lemurian QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1434272676 222066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1434272750 356476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It mapped Burlesque commands to single bytes < 1434272770 758152 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since Burlesque now has way more than 256 commands < 1434272776 653208 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was removed < 1434272798 443795 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 388 non-special builtin-ins as of now. < 1434272948 135998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 1.7.3 probably had less < 1434272975 684201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.7.3 has 340 < 1434273077 988645 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm updating the lref for 1.7.4 now < 1434273085 353241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then maybe I can convince shinh to update it on anagol < 1434273156 659505 :Wallacoloo!~colin@c-98-247-136-171.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1434273639 195395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could still use Huffman coding or VLQ coding < 1434273837 798990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make secure communication on internet what you should need is to avoid webpages completely and instead do this: Manually agree the keys in person, including a security card that displays a number and automatically updates by time. Server sends a challenge that is encrypted using a hashcode of your password and the security number as the key. Client then responds to the challenge and communicates securely using session keys. < 1434274117 6778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you are paranoid, use two such security cards; one locked in your desk drawer and one in your pocket.) < 1434274397 955500 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Netflix seems paranoid < 1434274403 552228 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't even support paypal well. < 1434274435 277001 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meaning you can't pay with paypal pre-paid) < 1434274807 189684 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1434276195 481821 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US could just ban toy weapons... < 1434276282 799922 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07PRINTASKSWITCHINPUTCASEXGOTOACASEYGOTOBELSEGOTOC14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43207 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+2001) 10PRINTASKSWITCHINPUTCASEXGOTOACASEYGOTOBELSEGOTOC < 1434276332 680466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43208&oldid=43068 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+55) 10PRINTASKSWITCHINPUTCASEXGOTOACASEYGOTOBELSEGOTOC again < 1434276599 838246 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1434276629 610552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although arguably there should be better methods to take such people out without injuring them too badly. < 1434276704 432069 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also don't give pellet guns to 12 year olds. That's stupid anyway. < 1434276943 188842 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general I don't like people who accuse you of doing something wrong without first discussing what should've/could've been done. Even if you clearly did something wrong, it's not a constructive thing to do. < 1434276951 937131 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1434277090 308140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it looks like the us police's method is "disable threat as quickly as possible" < 1434277098 696343 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to "isolate threat as quickly as possible, then proceed" < 1434277172 958005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is of course incredibly generalizing and based on no data other than some of the news report I got my hands on ;) < 1434278514 783665 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Zork < 1434278516 638276 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zork is like York, except for the first letter. < 1434278517 953782 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? grue < 1434278518 683491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grue is the colour of the trees and the ocean < 1434278522 102031 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Metaplace < 1434278522 819580 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metaplace ♫ is where I want to be, ♫ I never m*%¤)&"#NO CARRIER < 1434278664 957336 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I notes again... and is that a universal currency over there? < 1434278928 64156 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1434279001 876074 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1434279239 107546 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan your underhanded attempts at symbolising the Wisdom won't mar it! < 1434279239 320111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1434279282 66310 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan (on the other hand, syntastic is complaining like crazy) < 1434279282 242058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1434279575 103760 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and looks like I'm missing some other stuff. stuff that will be fixed after lots of coffee, nutella toasts, and half a tournament. < 1434279646 800771 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1434279806 635188 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1434280715 790577 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1434282337 935748 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SUBCOMPACT CHICKEN < 1434282954 476209 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1434283750 608565 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1434283974 460069 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1434284515 760803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1434286528 47359 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord < 1434286535 892607 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: about or? < 1434286536 133128 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: we're wednesday and the earth!! god bless america!! i want a cl/ fnord thing there. < 1434286568 913707 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least fungot seems to be patriotic. < 1434286569 190444 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it was close. because of erlang's guard clause syntax, it's a catastrophe. between that book, actually. < 1434286597 984120 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1434286616 869378 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1434287829 354903 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1434288068 928108 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1434288140 310942 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1434288265 387741 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1434290448 344982 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1434290463 119356 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1434290575 910296 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1434292809 183167 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey everyone, remember boiljan? < 1434292891 50890 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1434292918 76008 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1434294421 574060 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1434294937 564556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick question. can a 400 character long alt text written literally in a HTML attribute cause any compatibility problems on browsers? eg. could it cause the image not to show up? < 1434294992 998469 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1434295014 842154 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1434297083 831221 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1434297115 237115 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1434297158 363581 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1434297178 708682 :quietello!~bcd@209.86.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1434297800 993644 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1434299327 539428 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1434300220 575974 :lemurian!~sh4n3@unaffiliated/lemurian JOIN :#esoteric < 1434300383 314969 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: IME even on super old browsers, long alt text tags just get cut off. < 1434300622 379656 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. Paradoxically, the cpu load is higher when memoizing previous results, than when computing them over and over again < 1434300665 770053 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-tudxmldwasyelifs QUIT :Excess Flood < 1434300680 542070 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-jsowkhzlxzclcupk JOIN :#esoteric < 1434300684 611643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: ok, thanks < 1434300714 47200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I was worried that maybe some parsers will reject the whole entity because it's too long, and assume it's an unescaped less than sign < 1434300749 260689 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be, but the last time I saw a problem with an alt-text, it was that exact one, and it was in the days of like, Netscape Navigator. < 1434300764 748262 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible a newer one might be more likely to complain than an older one. :D < 1434300803 680696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if the alt text is just truncated < 1434301437 359208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1434302505 983666 :password2!~password@197.77.75.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1434302914 230715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Genesis14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43209 5* 0378.148.92.128 5* (+65937) 10Created page with "Genesis 1 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God mov..." < 1434303144 386471 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, that doesn't look like an esolang... < 1434303241 759845 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be narrow-minded, now < 1434303519 509088 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: long, unintelligible, prone to contradictions, and impossible to assemble a coherent logical system from. Sounds like an esolang to me. < 1434304343 75819 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: Along with features that should never be used (such as a certain type of tree), yet are anyway? < 1434305086 970720 :password2!~password@197.77.75.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1434305313 903167 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1434305340 220266 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1434305365 142349 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl Cannot Be Parsed: A Formal Proof http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=663393 < 1434305502 381141 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1434306025 750365 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1434306040 734441 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1434306847 138415 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1434307358 855541 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a type of oracle that can answer questions that could not be answered with the use of a halting oracle? < 1434307403 222262 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-195.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1434307431 119295 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fundamental Truth Oracle < 1434307511 486333 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Turing-machine-plus-halting-oracle halting oracle. < 1434307806 344182 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-195.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetical_hierarchy < 1434307851 116116 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i meant without assuming omniscience. < 1434307886 156285 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: i don't understand < 1434307887 719958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: then you don't have an oracle? < 1434307923 707403 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a halting oracle is not omniscient! it can tell you if your program halts, but it can't tell you your middle name. < 1434307942 578070 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: right. go with pikhq's answer then < 1434307963 868989 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :My middle name is Joseph iff your program halts. < 1434308086 926397 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1434308087 550880 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. my program was "if (pikhq_middle_name == "Joseph") exit(0) else: while true: pass" < 1434308128 796236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a remarkable coincidence < 1434308146 432040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now that the universe is inconsistent, let's have some fun... < 1434308190 309924 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing pikhq's middle name has no bearing of the contents of the string pikhq_middle_name... < 1434308209 663043 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let's convince a bank that 1 = 0, say, and use that fact to withdraw tons of money... I suspect there is some sort of flaw in that plan) < 1434308329 241225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://www.xkcd.com/816/ < 1434308340 313054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see title text too) < 1434308432 898399 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. < 1434308808 195503 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1434308808 758734 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially read the title text, it points out a flaw in your plan < 1434308918 643657 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1434309285 771370 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1434309329 982458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had forgotten about this xkcd although it looks like one that I should've remembered. < 1434310003 889733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect a bank to believe it; and even if they do it would be for number systems (such as the trivial ring) which is not applicable to how much money is in your bank account. < 1434310012 145762 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1434310028 784898 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1434310133 72657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xkcd.com/704/ is also relevant < 1434310197 123748 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, if anything can be derived, does that make Malbolge usable by humans? < 1434310727 754631 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-jsowkhzlxzclcupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Perl parses Perl then Perl must not be unparsable < 1434310902 214979 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: The point seems to be that you can't parse it without executing it to find out the meanings of some parts. < 1434311126 144055 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is to say parsing Perl is computationally equivalent to executing a universal Turing machine. < 1434311287 626530 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric < 1434311387 993395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only Perl, but also Forth and TeX < 1434311578 832086 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-jsowkhzlxzclcupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, im not sure about that < 1434311583 680644 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-jsowkhzlxzclcupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :no functions in perl take arguments < 1434311591 660184 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-jsowkhzlxzclcupk PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub x {...} < 1434311780 650524 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fowl: they don't take NAMED arguments < 1434311811 931204 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :however when you call x with x(3,4), then inside x, you can get 3 and 4 as < 1434311831 414743 :oren_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511728.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :$_[0] and $_[1] < 1434312249 795743 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1434313278 345986 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1434313426 596163 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1434313631 778771 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nlxybwegrxbbswsi JOIN :#esoteric < 1434313989 841229 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Combientièm. < 1434314016 861092 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combientièm is, of course, unparseable, for the same reason that Forth is. < 1434314137 451013 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combientièm seems complex enough that Turing-completeness is likely. < 1434314809 849496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implementation of biquad filter with four coefficients and I figured out that you can use -1 0 0 0 BIQ and 0 0 1 0 BIQ to seem to make up derivative and antiderivatives. < 1434315519 135252 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1434315654 835061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1434317479 685125 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1434317709 136534 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1434317769 689040 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1434317937 277565 :Wallacoloo!~colin@c-98-247-136-171.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1434318027 826620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn equal temperament/Equal temperament is just intonation that's evenly spaced. < 1434318033 691364 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «equal temperament» < 1434318102 932086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434318104 339393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nimby/NIMBY : Not in my backyard. < 1434318105 75524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434318105 963819 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrow/Arrows are just strong monads in the category of profunctors. < 1434318107 302478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434318108 148059 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rtf/RTF stands for Rich's Text Format, invented by Rich Burlew. In addition to plain text it supports simple stick figures. < 1434318149 293298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :culprits wisdom/rtf < 1434318163 223635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/rtf < 1434318166 616992 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1434318173 869917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foiled by the phone < 1434318192 617256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know who Rich Burlew is < 1434318275 398885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He makes olist. < 1434318309 577353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now I can see on Wikipedia < 1434318319 164181 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits tanebvention < 1434318320 498674 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1434318324 297752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He makes stick figures. < 1434318326 940234 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/tanebvention < 1434318328 224926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan Taneb oerjan elliott oerjan oerjan FireFly oerjan boily oerjan ais523 ais523 oerjan < 1434318339 988790 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::Oerjan < 1434318389 680221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use miniature figures for Dungeons&Dragons though, just graph paper < 1434318396 263531 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` culprits wisdom/tanebvention | sed 's/\<[dop]/:&/g' < 1434318397 924083 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:oerjan Taneb :oerjan elliott :oerjan :oerjan FireFly :oerjan boily :oerjan ais523 ais523 :oerjan < 1434318405 554018 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was a bit disappointing < 1434318438 77608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to do? < 1434318446 915030 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, when I play we generally just sort of imagine it < 1434318462 919611 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we need reference we use miniatures on an erasable surface like a whiteboard < 1434318493 366119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I play also we just generally imagine it, but use graph paper when we want to know where everything is in relation to other things more precisely. < 1434318545 658359 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In one of the games we are in we are hiding in an airship meant as a decoy for us (arranged without our knowledge) < 1434318559 727152 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logic being that no-one would think to search the decoy < 1434318607 610904 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-jsowkhzlxzclcupk QUIT :Excess Flood < 1434318620 484576 :fowl!fowl@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hwdgintcmonoktsn JOIN :#esoteric < 1434318706 876608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is one idea of where to hide. < 1434318728 983358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434318729 927444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin/orin is oren's evil twin, stalking him from the other side of the international date line. < 1434318734 470059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434318735 358588 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lystrosaurus/lystrosaurus is a genus of Late Permian and Early Triassic Period dicynodont therapsids, which ruled the world around 250 million years ago. < 1434318738 611217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434318739 439499 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin/orin is oren's evil twin, stalking him from the other side of the international date line. < 1434318754 340129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434318757 239049 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdt/That doesn't tdt. < 1434318771 466549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434318772 371047 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ørjan/Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers. < 1434318796 718165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally though in my game when we hide, they often find us anyways because enough people are looking for us with enough persistence that they will eventually succeed. But sometimes I decide to hide in the future instead. < 1434318825 498064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits wisdom/ørjan < 1434318826 864042 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan elliott Bike FreeFull shachaf shachaf < 1434318835 740595 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, none of our party are time travellers (yet) < 1434318870 103503 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the party's wizard may become a time traveller later) < 1434318876 133578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can jump forward in time and take some other creatures and objects too, but that uses up power points and it doesn't go all that far either. < 1434318910 807241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have hidden objects in the future too, not only characters) < 1434318911 398994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434318912 364143 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren/oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house. He'll orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon. < 1434318914 430700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434318915 304277 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :structsubural type/Something Bike is into. Not to be confused with suburban destruction. < 1434318934 258243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1434318935 124192 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alice/Alice doesn't want to go among mad people. < 1434318936 43580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a time traveller wizard? nice < 1434318954 499329 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, power points? are you a psion? < 1434318962 251978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It isn't very powerful time travel < 1434318968 914643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, psionics and wizard, both < 1434318976 346722 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOTH? < 1434318984 806555 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are people who do both psionics and wizardry? < 1434318987 462240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's strange < 1434318993 974152 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1434318999 738228 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a combination I wouldn't have imagined < 1434319002 396540 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, our wizard is also a rogue < 1434319011 329392 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character is just a cleric though < 1434319017 708449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my sister played a sorcerer/fighter combination < 1434319041 601104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in what order did that happen, and what are the relative power of your relative strengths in psionisc and wizardry, and what did you do that helps both? < 1434319044 248379 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep a "kill" count of enemies I have forced to leave combat (I am playing as a pacifist) < 1434319049 150908 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is on 17 and I am level 3 < 1434319051 72841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use many magic items? do you create magic items? < 1434319059 732020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use many magic items or create any < 1434319071 638313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refer to my "level20.tex" file for full details. < 1434319079 768321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I can understand sorcerer/fighter < 1434319088 216037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um, what's its url again? < 1434319089 995060 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, which edition do you play? < 1434319129 357568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started without a spellbook, and therefore couldn't cast many spells except the mastered spells, until finally figuring out the spells again in spare time and writing them down in a book. < 1434319143 116167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1434319155 111505 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in a game of 4th edition (where I play the pacifist cleric), and a game of 5th edition (where I play a paladin who is not pacifist) < 1434319169 671076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The file is pretty long; read all of it if you *really* want to understand) < 1434319222 819188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote all of the macros by myself too, which includes sorting skills in alphabetical order automatically, keeping track of items and levels, footnotes, and more < 1434319318 160317 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight everyone < 1434319336 94363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good day everyone < 1434319501 622783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started the game without any items at all. < 1434319537 981471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did my brother's character, Also < 1434319542 850152 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also is his name) < 1434319581 919415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: did you start as a wizard? < 1434319606 156934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1434319613 274822 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1434319613 450453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says so on the page < 1434319619 495590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I started with enough levels to have both < 1434319633 394046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, right < 1434319662 941449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be reading the character sheet at the start < 1434319690 500049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The .dvi is available too if you want a prerendered copy; that one only includes the character sheet at the end though.) < 1434319713 836183 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks, tex is easier to read < 1434319726 571687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can probably tex it < 1434319738 551336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you want a character sheet before each session, you must compile it youself; it will then ask you what level of detail you want, such s to omit footnotes and to omit character sheets and so on) < 1434319775 829396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To compile it yourself you need the "dungeonsrecording.tex" file too (in the same directory) < 1434319784 946041 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, these starting ability scores seem funny. are those normal for an illithid? < 1434319805 917618 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't he supposed to have a dump stat or something? < 1434319810 987707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the "Goldilock's Method", which is something in between random and point-base < 1434319838 558583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And a program on my TI-92 calculator to calculate it) < 1434319872 875991 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but did you get adjustments for being an illithid? < 1434319878 902120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1434319924 764637 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1434319933 893044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are factored in to the "Goldilock's Method". < 1434319952 452472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you also get bonuses for high level too. < 1434319999 236712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but even with high level it seems to high and too uniform < 1434320012 300539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very high level character would likely have a dump stat < 1434320128 758074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When characters have high ability scores due to species the level adjustment compensates for this (and other things) < 1434320131 577985 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1434320149 480957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1434320159 65599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason for being uniform is mainly due to the Goldilock's Method though; it is possible to make less uniform scores, but not always. I can explain its working < 1434320200 431832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have two dump stats in real life. I don't know how easy it is to guess that from irc.) < 1434320221 889489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I also don't know how easy it is to guess; I never tried to think of it so I don't know < 1434320228 791718 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1434320272 726034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(People who know me well in real life can probably tell.) < 1434320360 998185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1] Choose a number 0 to 9 for each ability score (there are no limits about duplicates, the total, etc). [2] Add 1d8 to each one. [3] Convert each of these numbers into percentages of the total. [4] Use a lookup table to convert into plain numbers. [5] Apply racial modifiers. [6] Repeat steps 2-5 to create another set of ability scores. [7] Choose one. [8] Get 2 bonus points (or 3 if the total without the racial modifiers is less than 70). < 1434320365 311757 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see! you get psionic abilities not from a player class, but from a race class! < 1434320369 231345 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes much more sense < 1434320384 54693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1434320423 550156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people say this method results in unusually *low* scores. Actually, they result in about average scores, although you don't have as much control as you do with a full point-based system. < 1434320454 169337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, full point-based gives you ultimate control < 1434320455 248070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The numbers you choose in step [1] are too high, they will become more uniform than you might want. < 1434320486 880683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they are low, then step [2] will screw them up < 1434320517 713504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best is probably choosing high numbers for scores you want high. < 1434320533 763408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But remember you do get two chances to apply step [2]. < 1434320603 897605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are racial modifiers constant terms you add? or are they more complicated? < 1434320629 669644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are constant terms (usually even numbers) that you add (or sometimes subtract, but subtracting is rare when the level adjustment is high). < 1434320657 137820 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recognize most of these psionic abilities and some of the spells, but that's normal < 1434320691 579281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them are obscure. < 1434320717 883746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a few of them I even made up and got reviewed from the referee and other people. < 1434320771 197263 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, this is the non-flying type of illithid. that's why it has feather fall. < 1434320821 148276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't get this. how many levels of each class do you have? I don't see that in the character sheet. < 1434320861 33140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what the \Class command does. < 1434320884 806305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The \RacialHD are also levels, and \LevelAdjustment are pseudolevels. < 1434320900 737740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so, both \Class Wizard=5 and \RacialHD=8 < 1434320902 281786 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1434320933 37336 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't \LevelAdjustment the challenge rating (difficulty) adjustment, which adjust how much XP you get and what encounters are considered fair? < 1434320952 970414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, level adjustment is independent of challenge rating (which we ignore). < 1434320955 628556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/encounters/encounters and other challenges/ < 1434320961 477275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For calculating experience points, pseudolevels count too; for other purposes (such as the amount you heal), pseudolevels aren't counted. < 1434320979 540002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1434320998 887691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the experience points tell what challenges are considered fair, do they not? < 1434321044 388591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They generally are supposed to (LA is for PCs and CR for NPCs is generally the consideration, kind of), but our group just ignores CR and uses only ad hoc XP. < 1434321063 957792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1434321084 732103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that applies both when you defeat a challenge and get XP, and when you are defeated and someone else gets XP from you, right? < 1434321118 944052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The winner's LA and loser's CR is generally what is supposed to apply. < 1434321136 224256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But NPC's XP are rarely kept track of, but sometimes are) < 1434321167 43446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, does that mean that in this game your level adjustment only matters if someone gains XP from from you? < 1434321170 449050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1434321175 203040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said the winner's LA < 1434321189 222637 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean the adjustment tells how much XP you need to get the next XL? < 1434321193 397163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Level adjustment is used to figure out how much experience points you need. < 1434321199 374399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right! < 1434321212 969894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if you use ad-hoc XP then that probably doesn't mean much either < 1434321214 479310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So your total real levels + pseudo levels is the level that you need to reach by experience points. < 1434321227 921640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for the explanation < 1434321259 107543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it *is* important; it makes it harder to go up levels, and whatever level you start at, the level adjustment therefore decreases your starting level (but not your experience level) to compensate. < 1434321309 655444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but the input is the ad-hoc XP < 1434321322 4845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, plus the starting level. < 1434321360 574375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just as well track ad-hoc fractional XLs, without counting XPs, and give the ad-hoc XLs so it's harder to level (but also harder to lose a level from spending XP) < 1434321395 369237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think that is more complicated though and makes it difficult < 1434321401 745140 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1434321425 981488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, a player enters a game starting at level 10, and chooses a character with LA+3 and RHD+2, they get to create a 7th-level character with 5 class levels, but starting with as much experience points as a 10th-level character. < 1434321496 417170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are using the encounter XP tables, the experience level is the one that counts here. (If you aren't, then it is irrelevant unless the referee still wishes to scale by level, in which case you should probably still use experience level) < 1434321561 789927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The example character will be vulnerable to spells that affect 7th-level characters (even if they don't affect 10th-level characters), will heal only 7 HP per day (rather than 10 HP), and so on. < 1434321640 635199 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? there's a racial HD adjustment that can be positive for players? and isn't it the starting CR rather than the starting XL that's supposed to be specified, rather than the starting XP? < 1434321648 208867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own game design (which is extremely incomplete and mostly abandoned) doesn't use the term "level adjustment", but it does have "pseudolevels" which is the similar concept. < 1434321684 828065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, there can be. And it is the starting experience level which the game master specifies. < 1434321695 705754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's strange but ok < 1434321710 520493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However, specifying starting XP also implies what the starting experience level is anyways.) < 1434321720 565109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I mean starting XL < 1434321756 452162 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it seems you specified the real starting XL, rather than the one adjusted with the LA. < 1434321763 144206 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I find strange < 1434321795 199375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The LA makes makes the actual level less than the experience level. < 1434321846 407436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For balacing purposes it is common to specify the starting experience level or experience points instead of only counting real levels. < 1434321848 125888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess specifying a starting XL is also how crawl works, < 1434321858 453455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a single-player game < 1434321889 172830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it approximately equal _adjusted_ levels that would make a better adventuring band of player characters? < 1434321916 191343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is; the term "level adjustment" is a bit confusing and I don't like it; it should be called "pseudolevels". < 1434321926 403692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1434321952 587065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is why the CR and the adjusted level are separate < 1434321957 186468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. actual levels + pseudo levels = experience level) < 1434321973 890790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the adjusted level tells how fast you gain levels, the CR tells how powerful you are < 1434321977 388168 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1434321987 198263 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you share XP equally, then you'd level equally if you had the same adjusted level < 1434322006 729712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/share XP/share XP gains/ < 1434322038 420986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use encounter XP tables and have the same experience level, and you share them biased by level, you do all level equally. < 1434322089 527673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe all that's irrelevant here because you have only two players and they're both of races with a high positive adjustment < 1434322089 744644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if your experience level is 10, it is as hard to level up as any 10th-level character, even if your actual level is only 5. < 1434322099 363396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not, like, a doppelganger and an orc < 1434322136 631431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually more players join the game later, and some also leave later. Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe is the only character that remains (so far; possibly one of the others might return later?) < 1434322157 630057 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for how long in real world time has this game been running? < 1434322165 393104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the session headings. < 1434322189 793498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Search for the first and last instances of "\session" in the document.) < 1434322201 448859 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1434322211 992350 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then subtract the dates. But remember it still isn't complete, so you might want to use today's date instead) < 1434322258 331278 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically about four years so far < 1434322285 344315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend also improving the story line, and I have a trope page (and trope RDF file) about it too. < 1434322301 582072 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :trope RDF file, hehe < 1434322405 539041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/level20.tex < 1434322418 784636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the trope page on wiki. < 1434322427 654894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I won't look at that now < 1434322461 446415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, you can look later (or not at all if you really hate to look at it ever, but you are allowed to change your mind later too) < 1434322474 234629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the RDF is: http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.trope < 1434322653 361353 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, I just spent most of today (and some of yesterday) standing in awe because of the new special and awesome MLP episode, finding more and more awesome details and references in it (sometimes alone, sometimes after reading spoilers) < 1434322687 909994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. < 1434322688 85616 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to attempt looking at any other fiction work in detail now < 1434322826 684549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1434322939 765717 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a deliberately very unique special celebratory episode that's different from normal episodes. < 1434322950 201601 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1434322985 372793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally didn't expect this, and it's awesome. < 1434323002 547176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is tihs episode? < 1434323054 566819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's S5 E9 "Slice of Life" (gimmick scheduled for this particular episode because it's the 100th ep of the tv series) < 1434323081 663367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1434323081 839168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 12h 10m 43s ago: your underhanded attempts at symbolising the Wisdom won't mar it! < 1434323081 839254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 12h 10m ago: (on the other hand, syntastic is complaining like crazy) < 1434323089 117890 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1434323104 157778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's an episode celebrating and thanking the unique fandom the series (in slightly broader sense) has gathered < 1434323165 655939 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does this by presenting a story where the regular main and secondary characters appear very little, several background characters are expanded, and canonizes a selection of fan speculation about them < 1434323215 870829 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has lots of (sometimes well hidden) funny little details, references to previous episodes of the series, and references to fanon < 1434323222 992664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so that's what it is. < 1434323231 390394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some references to other fictional universes < 1434323252 110027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it manages to be heartwarming and amazing according to many people < 1434323259 94308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a lot of people like this TV show. < 1434323275 141192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously you can always find some people who don't like any one particular episode, there are a few for this too) < 1434323283 258137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: those must be some strange people < 1434323283 589029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can't go for universal acclaim) < 1434323291 636720 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1434323296 60093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also i need my brain's parser recalibrated) < 1434323327 978483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, this may happen even with other TV shows too, chapters in a book, comic strip, whatever, where some people might not like some of them, even people who mostly like it in general. < 1434323328 703975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, in particular, a lot of geeks are watching it, so there's even a little intersection with #esoteric < 1434323349 747531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, given that they did this for the 100th episode, it will likely be unique even in the future < 1434323350 950963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am aware, yes. < 1434323363 434876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not something they'll regularly do < 1434323365 974891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's my guess < 1434323386 622427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the way how many geeks seemed to like it is what made me interested in first place < 1434323409 670211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1434323438 980302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas < 1434323444 149152 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, well, the way how many geeks seemed to like it does seem a reason to make it worth a try at least to look at it. < 1434323480 807969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and, I mean, they looked like they were the kind of geeks similar to me (at least some of them are) < 1434323495 793354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1434323551 550111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, apparently it has a lot of role-playing fans < 1434323600 608981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps that I knew even before that that I like cartoons and like fiction that's advertized by publishers for juvenile audience < 1434323618 536312 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so those heuristics matched < 1434323709 553928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the music of the first four seasons is nice < 1434323709 982986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, like any one, some cartoons/fictions I like and some I don't like much. It is also a bit independent what kind if intended/advertised audience, too. < 1434323736 520208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, some TV shows have nice music on it < 1434323745 917195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the "advertized for juvenile audiences" might be a red herring actually < 1434323753 856874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some computer games have nice music < 1434323761 930987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, I have been told that too < 1434323840 354695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I don't like romantic fiction at all, and romantic fiction is usually advertized to adults, which alone carries a lot of weight < 1434323867 162005 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I definitely grown to hate most non-fiction works advertized to children or teenagers these days < 1434323879 113575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, pop science books for them < 1434323892 417401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to sort of like them as a child < 1434323918 916021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is pretty similar for me too I think < 1434323948 43218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily @tell oerjan your underhanded attempts at symbolising the Wisdom won't mar it! <-- actually i checked that the quotes already contained that note character. < 1434323948 255901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the day I realized Quittner Pál's booklet about popular physics contains a gross factual error where it explains sea tides might have contributed < 1434323948 255978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1434323977 87235 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously it may have been that I had more time reading and discovering more authors to read when I was young, and less tiem now < 1434324015 109949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I found a lot of good authors whose works are supposed to be for children, and have difficulty finding new authors I like < 1434324037 861592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, did I mention I watch few films and TV series, and prefer reading books? < 1434324075 550264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do actually don't watch TV much, and prefer book < 1434324135 331035 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1434324576 769657 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02Genesis10]]": Off topic