Replace [ with btj   Replace ] with zxg   Replace + with qua   Replace - with ..."
< 1431431796 218050 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops.
< 1431431845 670705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: needs a category
< 1431431854 880061 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan will fix that
< 1431431864 506193 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :he likes to do these kind of things.
< 1431431877 755483 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Btjzxgquartfrqifjlv14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42833&oldid=42832 5* 03B jonas 5* (+36) 10
< 1431431879 293873 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1431431881 15365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will
< 1431431920 415893 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, there is a subset of brainfuck that is valid morse code
< 1431431940 998330 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :without []?
< 1431431945 13644 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and <>?
< 1431431961 487862 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: no, just . and -
< 1431431977 980512 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1431431992 342414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1431432008 676658 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if it's a modulo 256 bf interpreter, you can even output anything with it
< 1431432015 779620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1431432060 760433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems the api is enabled on the esowiki, good: http://esolangs.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&meta=siteinfo&format=xmlfm&siprop=general|namespaces|namespacealiases|interwikimap|specialpagealiases|magicwords
< 1431432067 95814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it easy to do automatic queries and edits
< 1431432079 207350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that one
< 1431432326 798863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: modulo 256 where the sign is equal to that of the modulus
< 1431432332 940898 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which
< 1431432341 452679 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike Java :D
< 1431432377 170993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yeah yeah, mathematician's remainder, not C/C++/cpu modulo
< 1431432402 555832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor any of the two crazy variants scheme r5rs includes INSTEAD OF any of these two sane ones)
< 1431432423 438099 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that always bugs me... how did they come up with that?)
< 1431432481 372709 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431432763 802150 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1431432767 793205 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what variants does r5rs have?
< 1431432830 860063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: one that gives the remainder with the lowest absolute value, and one that behaves different from one of the two sane variants for negative divisors
< 1431432844 688381 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite recall the exact details
< 1431433137 121237 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1431433447 416661 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Beside zsh, this is the only golfed program. Burlesque is quite awesome, it has a very large range of different functions, like ro. Sadly there's nothing like the Python [::a] slicing operator. "
< 1431433451 910641 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1431433459 269259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be damned if Burlesque wouldn't have that
< 1431433467 981377 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty certain there's an EveryNth built-in
< 1431433599 815925 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431433739 499231 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1431433809 494378 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Burlesque
< 1431433810 45957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1221)  piece of cake doing this stuff in Burlesque :P [19 lines later]  I hate Burlesque :(
< 1431433881 584284 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431434264 924376 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.227 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431434270 770642 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 7mo10.+
< 1431434270 917302 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {7 14 21 28 35 42 49 56 63 70}
< 1431434275 35263 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 7mo10.+?iBS
< 1431434275 182154 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.227 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 15 22 29 36 43 50 57 64 71
< 1431434281 631055 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431434309 306980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1431434316 440740 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1431434534 32198 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a version of morse code for vikings.
< 1431434542 878679 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A norse morse code.
< 1431434720 890077 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean norse code?
< 1431435475 156046 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431435662 367542 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@def type a $ b = a b
< 1431435663 774227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1431435683 853689 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Nothing :: Maybe $ Int -> Int
< 1431435685 545897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match expected type ‘Maybe $ Int -> Int’
< 1431435685 692524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 with actual type ‘Maybe a0’
< 1431435685 692604 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: Nothing :: Maybe $ Int -> Int
< 1431435732 339371 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> const Nothing :: Int -> Maybe $ Int
< 1431435734 27571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Maybe Int>
< 1431435794 506329 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like (->) has a lower precedence than ($)?
< 1431436490 290670 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has precedence?
< 1431436571 247563 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info (+)
< 1431436571 431070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+)
< 1431436589 242324 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1431436702 882557 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: In case that was an honest question, yes, it does. One assigns it with fixity declarations.
< 1431436723 96525 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ 2 + 3 * 5
< 1431436738 172595 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 + 3 * 5
< 1431436739 772236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 17
< 1431436781 634742 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if internet memes are accurate, most people would actually expect 25
< 1431437389 574333 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 | 3
< 1431437391 269012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:3: parse error on input ‘|’
< 1431437397 853543 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 ^ 3
< 1431437399 735321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1
< 1431437406 751748 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 ^ 5
< 1431437408 727977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 243
< 1431437418 829954 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :????
< 1431437440 498388 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x10
< 1431437442 139277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16
< 1431437442 648667 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431437447 361501 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: probably because for humans it's actually more convenient to do arithmetic "in-order"
< 1431437449 81279 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ????
< 1431437450 717779 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i will vote or i will come to the conclusion that parliament and the commission is entitled to safe products and sound information. clear danger maps, which identify the special risks to residents, constitute a negative factor on economic growth in europe, therefore to have more time to apply the parliamentary method, which dates back to the beginning of a gradual abolition of overtime, on the eve of the introduction of 
< 1431437463 104857 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than perform a look-ahead for operators with higher precedence
< 1431437469 887097 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0xf7 & 0x7f 
< 1431437471 390661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Could not deduce (Num a0)
< 1431437471 537193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     from the context (Num a, Num (a -> b))
< 1431437471 537289 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       bound by the inferred type for ‘e_10707’:
< 1431437476 420119 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH
< 1431437503 683547 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 ^ 2 
< 1431437505 381021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 25
< 1431437508 46161 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH
< 1431437534 595205 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 25 ^ 0.5
< 1431437536 432023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Could not deduce (Integral b0) arising from a use of ‘^’
< 1431437536 578742 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     from the context (Num a)
< 1431437536 578841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       bound by the inferred type of it :: Num a => a at Top level
< 1431437541 998596 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :QWHAT
< 1431437576 207364 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x7f & (.&.) 0xf7 & (`showHex` "")
< 1431437578 138630 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "77"
< 1431437624 241943 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :25.0 ^ 0.5
< 1431437634 810573 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 25.0 ^ 0.5
< 1431437636 188116 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Could not deduce (Integral b0) arising from a use of ‘^’
< 1431437636 334723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     from the context (Fractional a)
< 1431437636 334786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       bound by the inferred type of it :: Fractional a => a at Top level
< 1431437653 315541 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But. But it worked for 2
< 1431437710 259295 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: one language natural they use how wonders then
< 1431437733 896880 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Read error: No route to host
< 1431437740 843633 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431437754 254406 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1431437807 791727 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok srsly
< 1431437809 108301 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving...
< 1431437816 55260 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 ^ 2
< 1431437817 830389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 25
< 1431437828 950243 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 * 3.0
< 1431437830 652555 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15.0
< 1431437835 829098 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5 ^ 2.0
< 1431437837 122113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Could not deduce (Integral b0) arising from a use of ‘^’
< 1431437837 268638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     from the context (Num a)
< 1431437837 268726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       bound by the inferred type of it :: Num a => a at Top level
< 1431437844 656090 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 25 ** (1/2)
< 1431437846 499835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5.0
< 1431437865 240959 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two different exponent operators?
< 1431437872 309886 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1431437875 752438 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyyyyy
< 1431437893 533737 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thye could have iuse ^ for xor then
< 1431437908 733404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: three
< 1431437910 395507 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431437917 79847 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wut
< 1431437917 430202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: (^) and (**) and (^^)
< 1431437926 555609 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude what
< 1431437930 500199 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (^)
< 1431437931 679146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integral b, Num a) => a -> b -> a
< 1431437932 827166 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (^^)
< 1431437933 795020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fractional a, Integral b) => a -> b -> a
< 1431437934 949987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (**)
< 1431437936 215456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating a => a -> a -> a
< 1431437948 631936 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor is just zipWith (/=), what's the problem?
< 1431438026 201395 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ why do they need three
< 1431438030 84882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zipWith works on ints?
< 1431438045 557105 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one covers all reals anyay
< 1431438046 462772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: different types
< 1431438054 100584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: no way
< 1431438057 341165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> xor []
< 1431438058 632733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Typeable t0)
< 1431438058 779286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       arising from a use of ‘show_M374984897116395339918141’
< 1431438058 779444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression:
< 1431438068 597464 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> xor ([]::[Bool])
< 1431438070 24408 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Bits [Bool]) arising from a use of ‘xor’
< 1431438070 171175 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: xor ([] :: [Bool])
< 1431438084 530608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> xor True True
< 1431438086 145485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1431438092 873052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: no it's not
< 1431438121 639566 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor 3 1
< 1431438126 989290 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> xor 3 1
< 1431438128 718547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2
< 1431438138 438467 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey that works
< 1431438138 585251 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@instances Bits
< 1431438141 337976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bool, Int, Int16, Int32, Int64, Int8, Integer, Word, Word16, Word32, Word64, Word8
< 1431438164 73497 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, where does that instance come from
< 1431438205 779276 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
< 1431438250 162620 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> xor 2.0 -1
< 1431438251 911089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Typeable a0)
< 1431438252 58427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       arising from a use of ‘show_M465181737757271416918296’
< 1431438252 58491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression:
< 1431438266 241702 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431438345 388425 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1431438346 237861 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> xor 3.4 0x8000000000000000
< 1431438347 952684 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Show a0)
< 1431438348 99430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       arising from a use of ‘show_M788904274569950582318343’
< 1431438348 99519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous
< 1431438371 421360 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaat so I can't flip the sign bit? boooo
< 1431438392 276454 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: thats definitely not what it says
< 1431438402 440881 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t xor
< 1431438403 507176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bits a => a -> a -> a
< 1431438411 559733 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> negate 3.4
< 1431438413 277692 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -3.4
< 1431438433 601507 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> shl 3.4 24
< 1431438434 816019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘shl’
< 1431438441 769624 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t xor 2 3 :: Int
< 1431438442 868205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int
< 1431438447 958008 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> xor 2 3
< 1431438449 597703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1
< 1431438474 139827 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1431438485 113499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type shr
< 1431438486 339264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘shr’
< 1431438486 486156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1431438486 486243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      data constructor ‘Chr’ (imported from Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ),
< 1431438490 714690 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type shiftRight
< 1431438491 976819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘shiftRight’
< 1431438494 216292 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 3.4 80 :: CFloat
< 1431438495 412539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘CFloat’
< 1431438495 559246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant ‘Float’ (imported from Prelude)
< 1431438495 706018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type rightShift
< 1431438497 14735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘rightShift’
< 1431438498 888329 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu
< 1431438499 134569 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 3.4 80 :: Float
< 1431438500 353129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    No instance for (Fractional (a0 -> Float))
< 1431438500 499844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      (maybe you haven't applied enough arguments to a function?)
< 1431438500 499921 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      arising from the literal ‘3.4’
< 1431438505 747105 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops
< 1431438508 635389 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t xor 3.4 80 :: Float
< 1431438509 647021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    No instance for (Bits Float) arising from a use of ‘xor’
< 1431438509 793725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the expression: (xor 3.4 80 :: Float)
< 1431438513 214451 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type shiftL
< 1431438514 362329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bits a => a -> Int -> a
< 1431438515 816543 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1431438566 165857 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> shiftL 255 4
< 1431438568 106828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4080
< 1431438575 496530 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> shiftR 255 4
< 1431438577 118150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15
< 1431438583 214399 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1431438616 103467 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t rotL
< 1431438617 347194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘rotL’
< 1431438620 222222 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t rotateL
< 1431438621 469260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bits a => a -> Int -> a
< 1431438626 269865 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1431438657 38504 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rotateR 1 1 
< 1431438658 403959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0
< 1431438658 573094 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1431438675 253079 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. infinite-bit
< 1431438707 471552 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431438731 36672 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rotateR (Int16 1) 1 
< 1431438732 398775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘Int16’
< 1431438752 889164 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rotateR (Word16 1) 1 
< 1431438754 358343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘Word16’
< 1431438765 131307 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1 :: Int16
< 1431438766 196362 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int16
< 1431438783 2232 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.227 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1431438788 429749 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rotateR (1 :: Int16) 1 
< 1431438789 816378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -32768
< 1431438794 937935 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aesome
< 1431438829 260681 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1431438840 382940 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can get all the types from C in Haskell, it just has its own default types. 
< 1431438893 88791 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rotateR (0.5 :: Double) 1 
< 1431438894 613648 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Bits Double) arising from a use of ‘rotateR’
< 1431438894 760259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: rotateR (0.5 :: Double) 1
< 1431438904 30241 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boooo
< 1431438984 424033 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1431438997 390922 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that wouldn't work in C either
< 1431439038 590238 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually C doesn't even have a rotate operator, unless one was added in C11
< 1431439163 994891 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Major flaw for implementing certain cryptographies
< 1431439266 225524 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define rot64(x,n) ((x>>n)|(x<<(64-n)))
< 1431439269 407472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, compilers recognize things like uint32_t x; x = (x << 29) | (x >> 3);
< 1431439289 556069 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One should hope so!
< 1431439294 757587 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431439358 537045 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it's a throw back to the PDP-11. Maybe it didn't have a rotate instruction
< 1431439376 727370 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431439493 646052 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had an arithmentic shift,but could only rotate by one bit at a time
< 1431439713 298351 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah. it had a separate add carry operation instead of an add-with-carry? that seems very inconvenient.
< 1431439770 903131 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1431440044 907657 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1431440062 495125 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431440090 622391 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's technically more flexible, though I can't think of an application
< 1431440127 43998 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can implement addc using adc if you have a zero register
< 1431440458 118072 :atriq!9020b28b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.139 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431441052 28710 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need some volunteers
< 1431441070 827671 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to compare the pain of having a matchstick buring on your skin against being stung be a regular bee
< 1431441074 929462 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*burning
< 1431441077 601340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*by
< 1431441096 217937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the matchstick burning is more likely to leave a scar so do it somewhere where it won't really matter
< 1431441112 981192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you're allergic to bee stings? how are you comparing the bees for regularity?
< 1431441119 208517 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1431441120 889181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :honey bees
< 1431441122 972591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have you had this study ethically reviewed? I can imagine running into some problems
< 1431441137 75110 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give a shit about ethics I guess
< 1431441138 900690 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1431441143 377455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, do you know how hard it is to find a honeybee nowadays?)
< 1431441157 753891 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use a wasp
< 1431441162 892171 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1431441174 945404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both have a pain index of 2
< 1431441194 34242 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you take the wrong kind of wasps
< 1431441196 81693 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it's not. the point of add-with-carry is that it can use the old carry flag and update it as well
< 1431441201 375477 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are wasps with an index of 3
< 1431441242 129723 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: so you can use it for implementing a very cheap arbitrary precision addition. I wonder how the PDP people would do that.
< 1431441347 397996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As long as participants volunteer I see no reason to consult an ethics commission.
< 1431441367 172247 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok... the bee might not volunteer
< 1431441373 799794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because it dies in the process
< 1431441378 380690 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you can use wasps. Wasps keep on living after stinging you
< 1431441413 544173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when starting my research at the CS department
< 1431441419 283146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to fill out an ethics questionnaire
< 1431441443 639345 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you involved in killing machines?
< 1431441446 871677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a fast-track questionnaire to identify which projects were obviously safe and didn't need further scrutiny
< 1431441448 138527 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as killer roboters?
< 1431441474 377226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had three questions; I forget one, but the other two were along the lines of "are you going to do any experiments on human subjects?" and "is your research likely to lead to the collapse of society?"
< 1431441475 561456 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1431441483 817054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is considered to be "traumatically painful"
< 1431441523 154500 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431441537 724148 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 is "seriously painful"
< 1431441579 243761 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, not humourously painful?
< 1431441610 512054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I log website traffic does that count as experiments on human subjects?
< 1431441672 991629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say that a stapler is less painful than a bee sting
< 1431441679 78958 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have stapled a finger once
< 1431441683 677075 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was pretty painful
< 1431441727 818693 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not an experiment, because you don't have control logs of people who don't visit the website
< 1431441729 656207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: almost any interaction with humans counts as experimenting on them, but you can normally get those trials approved too
< 1431441739 57036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just takes more than a three-question questionnaire
< 1431441744 447504 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, looking at a PDP11 handbook, ADC and SBC seem to be designed to enable 32 bit operations on a 16 bit machine, which barely works (3 instructions each, but resulting carries are wrong).
< 1431441753 828776 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If my research wouldn't lead to the collapse of society I wouldn't be interested in researching it.
< 1431441773 660718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your proposed study is "I want to ask humans to pick out faces in images and compare it to the performance of a computer", and the images are relatively innocuous, that'd probably get approved pretty quickly
< 1431441794 944604 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Society may not like to give you funding for that sort of research, though
< 1431441807 45450 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Surely the department of defense will.
< 1431441830 888515 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the american one, which should tell you something about that society
< 1431441860 121788 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(each ==> addition and subtraction)
< 1431441863 538910 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My research is going to destroy facebook. That might lead to a collapse of society.
< 1431441873 11646 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point
< 1431441892 898517 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"collapse of society" is very much under-defined.
< 1431441900 660957 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Altohugh if it does, I would say society needed to be burnt to the ground
< 1431441916 849021 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do they give you a "survival rate"?
< 1431441918 159852 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e.
< 1431441936 197333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the questions were very generic
< 1431441937 312558 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If n-% of the human population would survive does it count as a collapse?
< 1431441950 156730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if there's the slightest chance we might bring about something that potentially qualifies as an apocalypse
< 1431441960 232312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're meant to send the research proposal in for further scrutiny
< 1431442015 806580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... research requires sacrifices.
< 1431442047 15320 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most notably in medicine.
< 1431442068 193451 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I would say no-one actually needs to (immediately) die or suffer for a study to be problematic.
< 1431442087 240623 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. Long term suffering is also an issue.
< 1431442125 474533 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider if I proved that people of a particular ethnic group are significantly more intelligent, and isolated the genetic factors causing it.  
< 1431442137 39851 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm pretty certain nobody did long term studies about cell phone "radiation" before bringing them to the market
< 1431442141 976192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :these studies are only done now.
< 1431442168 190226 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would not cause any suffering or death , but it could lead to massive societal issues
< 1431442187 269688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: we already know what happens, given the publication of a book that contained one graph that appeared to indicate that
< 1431442218 126755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that by itself was sufficient to cause problems
< 1431442228 306099 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We haven't even discussed what to do with unborn babies.
< 1431442238 570171 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot to discuss about genetics/genetic modification etc.
< 1431442266 325663 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the absence of conclusive results, I would recommend not providing unborn babies with cellphones
< 1431442291 841113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was aimed at testing babies for things like a third chromosome
< 1431442308 833247 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other conditions such as having only one of a certain kind of chromosome
< 1431442329 263245 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fetus
< 1431442334 621721 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not call them babies just yet.
< 1431442372 387451 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're like pseudocode programs. Or esowiki language specifications.
< 1431442411 73919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... I'm pretty certain if we decide to allow certain research in genetics it will still take 100 years before we are actually capable of doing really crazy stuff with it
< 1431442427 261856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anybody will be able to produce humans with wings that can fly within the next 15 years
< 1431442434 319481 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is virtually any 'hard' results in anything near to eugenics would cause immediate political shitstorms
< 1431442449 917534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: Agreed
< 1431442451 17284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there's certainly a lot of opposition to germline changes
< 1431442460 726231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. any genetic changes that can be inherited)
< 1431442465 19567 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's merely because it's physically impossible for human-sized mammals to fly
< 1431442473 407678 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1431442477 603343 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make them sub-human size !
< 1431442491 628476 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is also a generically inheritable condition)
< 1431442494 422140 :atriq!9020b28b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.139 PART :#esoteric
< 1431442495 996338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sometimes)
< 1431442507 228662 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1431442509 531648 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*genetically
< 1431442515 254588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: even that's too large
< 1431442525 326958 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would need giant muscles as well,but it is doable
< 1431442535 919930 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hobbits are still too heavy to fly with wings non-magically
< 1431442536 860201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1431442542 573265 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pterodactlys were bigger than huamns
< 1431442543 498565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we have cyborgs!
< 1431442572 826259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already have exo-skeletons
< 1431442579 953402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, and airplanes too
< 1431442582 472330 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be more efficient to work in the other direction and make sapient flying squirrels.
< 1431442583 497461 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1431442586 945775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but airplanes aren't cool
< 1431442594 187219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there are cool airplanes
< 1431442611 344984 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :insect sized airplanes are cool
< 1431442614 17530 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the SU-47 Berkut
< 1431442630 453239 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murder by microdrone
< 1431442658 272970 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obama should use microdrones that can inject deadly poison
< 1431442669 703716 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of regular old-school drones that just bomb the whole freaking place
< 1431442725 454643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking of that
< 1431442742 240214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could just use gas that temporarily paralyzes people
< 1431442748 426901 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then go in, shoot the real guy
< 1431442796 844438 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming such a gas exists. Which it probably does)
< 1431442813 796802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? learn
< 1431442814 369552 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1431442818 524784 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mroman
< 1431442819 481688 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman is a leading artist in password security (SFW). He also likes black madness. He can design password hashes that are worse than the identity function. He invented the identity function.
< 1431442830 51352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well, there was the Russian theatre siege a few years ago
< 1431442838 702055 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append mroman He's also an artist in unconventional warfare.
< 1431442840 530311 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'mroman': mroman is a leading artist in password security (SFW). He also likes black madness. He can design password hashes that are worse than the identity function. He invented the identity function. He's also an artist in unconventional warfare.
< 1431442864 909777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically what the Russian military did, but many of the hostages died because they didn't admit to /which/ gas they used until some of them had already died fro mside effects
< 1431442878 751865 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Airplanes work differently at insect size, due to viscosity effects at that scale
< 1431442968 548043 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oren
< 1431442969 223778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house.
< 1431442974 112289 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? orin
< 1431442974 687583 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1431443048 425222 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn orin Orin is known as oren. Orin was called Warren by half his teachers.
< 1431443050 120602 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'orin': orin Orin is known as oren. Orin was called Warren by half his teachers.
< 1431443098 940638 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn orin is oren's evil twin, stalking him from the other side of the international date line.
< 1431443100 503533 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'orin': orin is oren's evil twin, stalking him from the other side of the international date line.
< 1431443131 690199 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1431443163 435733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're always on the same side of the date line
< 1431443166 207668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just possibly 24 hours out
< 1431443183 266092 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eaxtly
< 1431443310 635384 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be so much  easier if /ə/ had only one spelling 
< 1431443342 694800 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a sylabic n? 
< 1431443383 398625 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same ending as steven or karen
< 1431443434 638402 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw it I'm a touhou character
< 1431443452 921921 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca NICK :ORen
< 1431443466 82047 :ORen!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca NICK :ORin
< 1431443951 470971 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1431443951 816709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 121450Z VRB03KT CAVOK 30/03 Q1018 NOSIG
< 1431443980 548591 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :close to melting... but quite dry, at least.
< 1431444000 76429 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lovi
< 1431444000 354938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1431444011 619759 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowv
< 1431444012 29089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1431444025 11182 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar loww
< 1431444025 314482 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWW 121450Z 14013KT CAVOK 23/08 Q1020 NOSIG
< 1431444065 442156 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar eddb
< 1431444065 935392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDDB 121450Z 20013KT CAVOK 27/09 Q1010 TEMPO 20015G25KT
< 1431444130 264494 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ
< 1431444130 489394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 121500Z 27023G31KT 15SM BKN048 14/05 A2985 RMK SC7 SLP110 DENSITY ALT 600FT
< 1431444156 624945 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah, a little cold
< 1431444187 75337 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and windy
< 1431444225 725889 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not cold.
< 1431444269 351518 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431444270 81168 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't 14 C cold?
< 1431444317 937491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1431444369 918394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly chilly, maybe.
< 1431444404 933718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meaning it's uncomfortable in a T-shirt)
< 1431444887 9715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Btjzxgquartfrqifjlv14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42834&oldid=42833 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+3) 10
< 1431445258 337904 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wepmlrio14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42835 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+397) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}} '''wepmlrio''' is a brainfuck derivative. It has the same instructions but... 
   Replace [ with w   Replace ] with e   Replace + with p   Replace - with m  ..."
< 1431445304 388217 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welmprio already sucks from reading that part
< 1431445321 594226 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :while end plus minus left right input output
< 1431445372 479118 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1431445376 57592 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring
< 1431445511 468645 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42836&oldid=42813 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+91) 10
< 1431446413 238341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431446493 675916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep, web is down
< 1431446549 219981 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just too far up.
< 1431446614 627780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but somehow irc is working
< 1431446621 512112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and putty)
< 1431446656 398738 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1431446785 668372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :restarting router changed nothing
< 1431446945 982647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm some norwegian sites load
< 1431446993 239240 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did norway recently make a Great Firewall of Norway
< 1431447015 284784 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To prevent scurrilous foreign influence?
< 1431447030 595962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBABLY
< 1431447069 748515 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh oerjan!
< 1431447094 244962 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is it true that (->) has a lower precedence than ($)?
< 1431447098 120153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helvar
< 1431447143 108705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: you know, would you mind asking that at a time i've actually got web access to check it?
< 1431447154 386776 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Nothing :: Maybe $ Int -> Int
< 1431447155 647925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match expected type ‘Maybe $ Int -> Int’
< 1431447155 794709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 with actual type ‘Maybe a0’
< 1431447155 794788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: Nothing :: Maybe $ Int -> Int
< 1431447161 737897 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> const Nothing :: Int -> Maybe $ Int
< 1431447163 345050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Maybe Int>
< 1431447185 216993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: normally $ isn't a type, this must be something lambdabot has defined
< 1431447195 769457 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. type a $ b = a b
< 1431447217 839572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it has no fixity defined, it will be infixl 9, very high
< 1431447232 561819 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there type fixities separate from value fixities?
< 1431447250 943836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why don't you install ghc twh
< 1431447275 929820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: fixities go with a scope.  if the type is defined in a different scope from the value, it may.
< 1431447311 325674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i _have_ ghc.  but i don't have the version that fixed my documentation request to give the fixity of -> hth
< 1431447472 217134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: or to be precise, fixity goes with a binding.  for technical reasons if you define a type and a value with the same name at the top level of a module, a fixity declaration will encompass both.
< 1431447503 528968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they're in different modules there should be no reason why they need to have the same fixity.
< 1431447532 538909 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zdemmxumxkkgcpdb JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431447547 917154 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see, thank you.
< 1431447611 296982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"technical reasons"
< 1431447620 241601 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1431447642 143854 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@def infixr 0 $
< 1431447643 295681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1431447658 15938 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Nothing :: Maybe $ Int -> Int
< 1431447659 610099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing
< 1431447678 538683 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Indeed.
< 1431447761 434056 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Nothing :: Maybe $ Maybe $ Int
< 1431447763 218734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing
< 1431447812 537842 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Just (+) :: Maybe $ (->) Int $ Int -> Int
< 1431447813 755454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe $ ((->) Int $ (Int -> Int))
< 1431447881 129456 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@def type a + b = Either a b; type a * b = (a, b); infixl 6 +; infixl 7 *
< 1431447881 276369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: Parse error: *
< 1431447919 249603 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@def type a + b = Either a b; type a × b = (a, b); infixl 6 +; infixl 7 ×
< 1431447920 671285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1431447927 298921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431447951 488793 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Right (1, 2) :: Int + Int × Int
< 1431447953 154370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Right (1,2)
< 1431447961 847179 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Left (1, 2) :: Int × Int + Int
< 1431447963 532673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left (1,2)
< 1431448181 287415 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t undefined :: Int × Int + Int
< 1431448182 595159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Int � Int) + Int
< 1431448494 211090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1431449023 723960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1431449046 863353 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1431449251 618233 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431449518 327078 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1431449636 616858 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431449653 840084 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Btjzxgquartfrqifjlv14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42837&oldid=42834 5* 03168.99.197.17 5* (+94) 10added morse code versions (and removed random s at end)
< 1431450086 600156 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431450101 381236 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1431450102 267401 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1431450102 921011 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431450115 855800 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431450157 911715 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431450178 780621 :trn!~trn@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431450323 90289 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431450501 184728 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431451182 102790 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to open file in ed just to use the N,Ms/name/newname/g command
< 1431451208 460060 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rename a varable without reanming same variable in another function
< 1431453092 796400 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431453686 366290 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Scrip714]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42838&oldid=41512 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+261) 10
< 1431453718 198702 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go, updated
< 1431453899 867663 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1431453968 455901 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used alpha and beta as metasyntactic variables, because all the latin letters are taken
< 1431454342 281402 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Scrip714]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42839&oldid=42838 5* 0374.15.57.253 5* (+10) 10html problems
< 1431454618 14028 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ
< 1431454618 372498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 121808Z 26020G25KT 15SM -SHRA FEW041 OVC052 13/06 A2987 RMK CU2SC6 SLP116
< 1431454673 731484 :password2!~password@197.77.5.86 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1431458585 429722 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :munich have no chance npw
< 1431458765 412796 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431459105 900197 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431459111 734779 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1431459166 525879 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431459179 566311 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1431459179 713099 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431459243 202795 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because the Illuminati is the Illuminati doesn't mean they can't raise the roof c:
< 1431460337 386009 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make a playlist of all these memetic songs
< 1431460574 864579 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1431461396 852422 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431461815 402251 :password2!~password@197.77.5.86 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1431462092 182522 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431462576 351914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin, what's your stance on the matrix of solidity?
< 1431462816 707051 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it
< 1431462823 431466 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people still program esoteric nowadays?
< 1431462898 967699 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1431463115 201418 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to program rot13 in brainfuck, but it's 622 chars long.
< 1431463922 108111 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431464081 795511 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1431468216 685005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431468385 855363 :notfowl-!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-gvmaljspqakicnai JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431468529 657105 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm copying files to a directory accessible by another user with rsync -tvz -e "sudo -u" again
< 1431468620 145913 :notfowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-yqmcqkfxgallotgd QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1431470654 777980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "5invd" bin/slist
< 1431470656 301839 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1431470763 866760 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did skype send me this email?
< 1431470767 378174 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aktiveeri krediit uuesti
< 1431470834 552145 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why did they think I can understand esonian?
< 1431470839 390252 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*estonian
< 1431470855 623906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: they probably didn't hth
< 1431470862 49171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets finnish spam all the time

< 1431470909 874981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i got finnish spam twh
< 1431470936 541446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday I walked by a group of students and one of them was talking about how they took a class on Finland.
< 1431470961 249167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland, finland, finland.
< 1431470967 311902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out you can major in Scandinavian Studies here.
< 1431470993 119766 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend is going to finland this summer on some sort of physics... thing
< 1431471007 757405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you wish you could study scandinavia
< 1431471055 312587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 46th IPhO will be held at Mumbai, India from 5 to 12 July 2015." ok not that then
< 1431471098 348570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i Initial Phở Offering
< 1431471116 190231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could have gone to the ipho once, i think it was in poland
< 1431471129 966329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i went to the imo in germany instead
< 1431471162 833305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, physics olympiad.
< 1431471191 680208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't trust physicists hth
< 1431471202 415470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when tensors are involved
< 1431471218 332286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1431471227 696225 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1431471264 736036 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about it exacpt he's going, to finland, with a physics professor
< 1431471295 755176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to finland to get physical with a professor, check
< 1431471328 974515 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431471340 507084 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been to the IPHO but I have been to the IHOP
< 1431471419 201032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just barely failed to visit the IHOP the half-year i stayed in seattle
< 1431471494 464705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall being scared away by the fact they had a dress code.  although it was probably really lenient i practice...
< 1431471502 979924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in
< 1431471532 347884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa
< 1431471538 698471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were in seattle for a half-year?
< 1431471549 750589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, spring 1996
< 1431471646 628559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihop spring's eternal
< 1431473375 312391 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431473388 601222 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a bot that deciphers short to text
< 1431473634 584297 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uvxqoaulsxqyxkiz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431474004 329318 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh
< 1431474021 742676 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I get a new laptop
< 1431474031 24004 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill finally be my old self again
< 1431474201 707260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I get Norwegian spam hardly ever. In fact, I don't recall any specific examples at all.
< 1431474284 955032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't know what "Scandinavian Studies" can be.
< 1431474316 902400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a course where you dissect swedish meatballs and the like
< 1431474326 668690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, you can do Scandinavian Studies in London, too.
< 1431474334 134967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to UCL Scandinavian Studies! We teach and research the language, literature, history, linguistics and visual culture of Denmark, the Faroe Islands, Iceland, Norway and Sweden from medieval times to the present day. Our department is also home to Norvik Press, the UK's only press specialising in Nordic literature and culture."
< 1431474354 435193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :University of California, London?
< 1431474400 175369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their web page is so confusing, I can't find out what it's short for.
< 1431474406 875914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :University College London.
< 1431474422 893102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, just a collection of words.
< 1431474442 479566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Universities that offer education and perform research in Scandinavian studies are typically found in North America and Europe. In North America, many activities are coordinated through the Society for the Advancement of Scandinavian Study and its journal, the quarterly Scandinavian Studies."
< 1431474452 286176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a little unsettling
< 1431474541 315319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a conspiracy that aims for global domination, if that's what you are thinking.
< 1431474544 800227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to make that clear.
< 1431474625 160653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, very important not to leave any misunderstandings.
< 1431474644 60318 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o O ( http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpecificDenial )

< 1431474679 693113 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did that thought bubble thing come from
< 1431474698 419898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i somehow connect it with int-e 
< 1431474705 22676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvd: i think it means "i,i" hth
< 1431474705 922428 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, int-e seems to do it a lot
< 1431474725 326362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski does it a lot. But his thought bubbles are very well formatted.
< 1431474727 559465 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly associate it with ski
< 1431474748 369600 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the name of UCL predates the "college = university" thing
< 1431474784 788961 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh maybe not
< 1431474833 713714 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was originally London University
< 1431474862 60813 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, with King's College, became one of the colleges of the larger University of London
< 1431474933 994047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you trying to make me believe there's a channel where ski actually talks.  admittedly he's on a lot...
< 1431474957 491646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not lately that i've seen
< 1431474974 274120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe #haskell but i'm not in there
< 1431474982 960450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :. ｡ ∘ ° ◦ o ο ○ ◯ O Ο 〇 and so on.
< 1431475019 341893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: he doesn't seem to be in #haskell, only every subchannel in existence
< 1431475030 880991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good point
< 1431475040 401382 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :He used to be in #haskell
< 1431475047 584573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did oerjan
< 1431475061 668700 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's also occasionally around in #haskell.se, but then again that place is mostly dead
< 1431475080 8803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the channel about the set of all channels included in the set of all channels? I guess it must be.
< 1431475111 222658 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you proven the existence of such a set?
< 1431475223 939943 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431475281 299024 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, of such a channel* rather
< 1431475308 249345 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scandalous
< 1431475387 172383 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't ski die though well I wouldn't know I've only seen him once
< 1431475422 552039 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nqpfciabveqtmxqj QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1431475425 939248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: are you dead in which case your bouncer is holding up amazingly well hth
< 1431475481 563323 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you cure your squid if he has the bends?
< 1431475567 959781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decim: he'll just have to straighten out tentacle it himself
< 1431475606 740089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL: Something called "Sunset Overdrive" is using my good name. :(
< 1431475675 941446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fizzie is the corporate mascot of Fizzco, and the primary antagonist of Sunset Overdrive."  "Fizzie's voice has been modified to appeal to 'young children and males in their 20's.'"  This makes me unhappy.
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< 1431476039 243273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that watching ORin try to guess haskell's syntax in the logs is slightly painful.

< 1431476294 208262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which logs twpnh
< 1431476298 651799 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431476312 252638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2015-05-12 hth
< 1431477669 188612 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :🞋
< 1431477691 951870 :cantsolvethis!~deco@192.3.30.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431477693 297937 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :🞢🞣🞤🞥🞦🞧
< 1431477742 43759 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431477926 19371 :cantsolvethis!~deco@192.3.30.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone up for a small challenge
< 1431477939 223479 :cantsolvethis!~deco@192.3.30.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flag == YBONCECOJTHPGKUNCFTRHEAMMEOFPOEKHV
< 1431477939 370340 :cantsolvethis!~deco@192.3.30.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a hint:
< 1431477940 832014 :cantsolvethis!~deco@192.3.30.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHWLMMYKMETMMEATVTTO == BOYILOVEMESOMECRYPTO
< 1431477959 138355 :cantsolvethis!~deco@192.3.30.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if you can solve for the flag
< 1431478083 372303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reminded of someone from years ago

< 1431478317 531709 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" + "world"
< 1431478318 698103 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Num [Char]) arising from a use of ‘+’
< 1431478318 844805 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: "hello" + "world"
< 1431478322 80766 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" . "world"
< 1431478323 249693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match expected type ‘b0 -> c’ with actual type ‘[Char]’
< 1431478323 396260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the first argument of ‘(.)’, namely ‘"hello"’
< 1431478323 396344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: "hello" . "world"    Couldn't match expected type ‘a ...
< 1431478331 280362 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" = "world"
< 1431478332 517517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:9: parse error on input ‘=’
< 1431478336 513595 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" == "world"
< 1431478337 132677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats ORin -----###

< 1431478337 779990 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1431478345 471964 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" != "world"
< 1431478346 662599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope: ‘!=’
< 1431478346 809076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1431478346 809156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ‘!’ (imported from Data.Array), ‘M.!’ (imported from Data.Map),
< 1431478353 937221 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" ++ "world"
< 1431478355 219604 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "helloworld"
< 1431478357 778065 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH
< 1431478392 191270 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" ++ [10]
< 1431478393 364409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Num Char) arising from the literal ‘10’
< 1431478393 511105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: 10
< 1431478393 511180 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the second argument of ‘(++)’, namely ‘[10]’
< 1431478402 47835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : need to open file in ed just to use the N,Ms/name/newname/g command <-- sed -i  hth
< 1431478428 138898 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" ++ "\n"
< 1431478429 504134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hello\n"
< 1431478446 441053 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" ++ [10 :: Char]
< 1431478447 638622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Num Char) arising from the literal ‘10’
< 1431478447 785251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: 10 :: Char
< 1431478447 785347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the second argument of ‘(++)’, namely ‘[10 :: Char]’
< 1431478465 134080 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? but but 10 is '\n'
< 1431478467 944029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\10'
< 1431478469 504889 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\n'
< 1431478480 983084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: haskell :: is _not_ a cast.
< 1431478490 205768 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it it isn't?
< 1431478502 883663 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is used as one
< 1431478522 170734 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" ++ [((Char) 10)]
< 1431478523 485003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope: data constructor ‘Char’
< 1431478523 631443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1431478523 631522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ‘Chr’ (imported from Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ),
< 1431478525 138908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.  it just says what the type of the expression is.  whether that expression _can_ be that type, is a different question.
< 1431478533 418389 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" ++ [(Chr 10)]
< 1431478534 584589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match expected type ‘Char’ with actual type ‘TextDetails’
< 1431478534 731198 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: (Chr 10)
< 1431478534 731267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the second argument of ‘(++)’, namely ‘[(Chr 10)]’
< 1431478549 673267 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ord '\n'
< 1431478554 147831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" ++ [toEnum 10]
< 1431478555 570998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hello\n"
< 1431478563 853586 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I you what
< 1431478585 49834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the explicit conversion functions
< 1431478593 841974 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :toEnum is a weird way to spell (char)
< 1431478605 657169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because it's more general
< 1431478617 35870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" ++ [chr 10]
< 1431478618 221503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hello\n"
< 1431478621 546589 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toEnum
< 1431478622 536592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enum a => Int -> a
< 1431478641 191358 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ord
< 1431478642 134446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Char -> Int
< 1431478653 612148 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t chr
< 1431478654 511159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> Char
< 1431478663 160106 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they copid perl
< 1431478665 756909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never bother with chr or ord in my own programs because they require an import, so i just use the more general toEnum and fromEnum.
< 1431478706 453203 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1 .. 4]
< 1431478707 766306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4]
< 1431478721 309077 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1 ... 4]
< 1431478722 611439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Could not deduce (Num (Over p f c0 c0 a b))
< 1431478722 757892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     from the context (Num (Over p f c c a b),
< 1431478722 757962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                       Num (LensLike f s t c c),
< 1431478723 851563 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1431478747 367912 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['a'.. 'z']
< 1431478748 596581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
< 1431478767 797144 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ["a" .. "z"]
< 1431478769 200231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Enum [Char])
< 1431478769 346847 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       arising from the arithmetic sequence ‘"a" .. "z"’
< 1431478769 346895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: ["a" .. "z"]
< 1431478799 307388 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm so not quite like perl
< 1431478819 108612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['a','b' .. 'z']
< 1431478820 424014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
< 1431478824 349669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['a','c' .. 'z']
< 1431478825 922624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "acegikmoqsuwy"
< 1431478847 876795 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,2,4 .. 256]
< 1431478849 215709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:8: parse error on input ‘..’
< 1431478858 514350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas
< 1431478869 652113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1:[2,4 .. 256]
< 1431478871 25087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24,26,28,30,32,34,36,38,40,42,44,46,48,50,52...
< 1431478922 41744 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [2 ** x : x in [1 .. 8]]
< 1431478923 275993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:13: parse error on input ‘in’
< 1431478930 243116 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1431478940 806157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [2 ^ x | x <- [1 .. 8]]
< 1431478942 166342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256]
< 1431478971 326138 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1431478995 265344 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's why | isn't or
< 1431479011 633140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, | is a "keyword"
< 1431479049 333437 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 ** x | x <- 2
< 1431479057 349012 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4 ** x | x <- 2
< 1431479058 670278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:8: parse error on input ‘|’
< 1431479065 876869 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [4 ** x | x <- 2]
< 1431479067 321979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Show t0)
< 1431479067 468442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       arising from a use of ‘show_M783320247286381027832586’
< 1431479067 468496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The type variable ‘t0’ is ambiguous
< 1431479068 657781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with | taken, & never was used commonly for anything until lens started making it reverse application
< 1431479124 361430 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> first [2..4]
< 1431479125 758202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match type ‘[]’ with ‘a b’
< 1431479125 904736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Expected type: a b c
< 1431479125 904810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       Actual type: [c]
< 1431479133 707188 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> first [2 .. 4]
< 1431479133 993726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> head [2..4]
< 1431479135 162900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match type ‘[]’ with ‘a b’
< 1431479135 309420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Expected type: a b c
< 1431479135 309510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       Actual type: [c]
< 1431479135 455878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : : can't find file: L.hs
< 1431479139 7187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1431479140 179230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> head [2..4]
< 1431479142 76821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2
< 1431479161 602579 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cdr [2 .. 4]
< 1431479162 885351 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope: ‘cdr’
< 1431479163 31954 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you meant ‘chr’ (imported from Data.Char)
< 1431479164 117131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first is something else from Control.Arrow
< 1431479170 604416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tail [2..4]
< 1431479172 14128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,4]
< 1431479206 275717 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least those names make more sense than car and cdr
< 1431479224 612541 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were they thinking
< 1431479248 8892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think those were from assembly language
< 1431479259 227309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :content of address register
< 1431479284 446257 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Int -> Float
< 1431479285 700510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:5: parse error on input ‘->’
< 1431479291 597629 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x : Int -> Float
< 1431479292 863625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:9: parse error on input ‘->’
< 1431479297 863473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that head and tail are deprecated for serious use, pattern matching is safer
< 1431479314 339425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> head [] -- errors out
< 1431479315 899378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.head: empty list
< 1431479351 589346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case [] of x:_ -> "head is " ++ show x; _ -> "no head"
< 1431479352 979091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "no head"
< 1431479408 144436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Int -> Float
< 1431479409 5338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Set elemAt :: Int -> Set a -> a
< 1431479409 151748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (!!) :: [a] -> Int -> a
< 1431479409 151835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List (!!) :: [a] -> Int -> a
< 1431479417 143819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that was not helpful.
< 1431479423 964642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fromIntegral
< 1431479425 81455 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integral a, Num b) => a -> b
< 1431479471 278298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another conversion function that newbies bitch about needing
< 1431479497 490177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromIntegral (1 :: Int) :: Float
< 1431479498 870270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0
< 1431479520 355572 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need it so that the output has a useless .0 in it
< 1431479572 751297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 :: Float
< 1431479574 23945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0
< 1431479619 391659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> round pi
< 1431479620 640064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3
< 1431479638 838820 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> floor 4.9
< 1431479640 78257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1431479646 181158 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> round 4.9
< 1431479647 443501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5
< 1431479649 909570 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> round 4.5
< 1431479651 230089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1431479653 858890 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail
< 1431479662 132198 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> round 3.5
< 1431479663 892684 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1431479667 160527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it uses the banker's rounding rule
< 1431479671 539448 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :total fail
< 1431479681 730144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: that's recommended behavior for rounding
< 1431479692 372998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes rounding errors even out more often
< 1431479715 792243 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah. 0,1,2,3,4 -> down. 5,6,7,8,9 -> up
< 1431479738 65791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the rule for money in norway too
< 1431479745 484062 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431479757 533714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but using floating point for money isn't recommended
< 1431479780 499288 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's that BCD is for
< 1431479799 191152 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, primarily anyway IIRC
< 1431479826 688861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3.12345 :: Milli
< 1431479828 10510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.123
< 1431479876 520637 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3.12345 :: Centi
< 1431479877 964278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.12
< 1431479879 717338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a fixed point package
< 1431479882 854441 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3.12345 :: Deci
< 1431479884 183911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.1
< 1431479890 111807 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3.12345 :: Myria
< 1431479891 260790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Myria’
< 1431479905 164219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myria isn't a metric prefix anyway
< 1431479909 207354 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3.123456789 :: Micro 
< 1431479910 651447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.123456
< 1431479938 567954 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3.123456789123 :: Nano 
< 1431479940 31091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.123456789
< 1431479942 717862 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1431479980 579444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably some notation for giving arbitrary precision but i've forgotten it
< 1431480039 993957 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> printf "%f Hello %d world" 4.5 567
< 1431480041 487375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Show a0)
< 1431480041 633932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       arising from a use of ‘show_M3328553923042570177738’
< 1431480041 633986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous
< 1431480065 276193 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That error message is very unyhelpful
< 1431480078 393700 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> printf "Hello world"
< 1431480079 739537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Show a0)
< 1431480079 886176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       arising from a use of ‘show_M7421556609422406871750’
< 1431480079 886244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous
< 1431480081 128857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf needs a lot of type annotation when used like that
< 1431480083 937010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1431480096 244224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> printf "%f Hello %d world" 4.5 567 :: String
< 1431480097 657878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "4.5 Hello 567 world"
< 1431480118 920972 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sprintf "%f Hello %d world" 4.5 567
< 1431480120 219635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope: ‘sprintf’
< 1431480120 366270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1431480120 366367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ‘printf’ (imported from Text.Printf),
< 1431480122 863642 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail
< 1431480137 836722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf is overloaded so it can be used both ways
< 1431480148 316242 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is :: not a cast again then
< 1431480175 590229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it chooses a type, but it doesn't convert one type to another
< 1431480179 461411 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how oh
< 1431480256 335388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> printf "%f Hello %d world" 4.5 567 :: IO () -- this would work imperatively if lambdabot allowed running IO actions
< 1431480257 742045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1431480343 554651 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sscanf "345" "%d"
< 1431480349 874602 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sscanf "345" "%d"
< 1431480351 286680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope: ‘sscanf’
< 1431480351 444277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1431480351 444328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ‘scanl’ (imported from Data.List),
< 1431480356 863951 :cantsolvethis!~deco@192.3.30.211 PART :#esoteric
< 1431480361 191933 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl "345" "%d"
< 1431480362 561421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match expected type ‘[Char] -> a -> [Char]’
< 1431480362 708057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 with actual type ‘[Char]’
< 1431480362 708154 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the first argument of ‘scanl’, namely ‘"345"’
< 1431480371 827787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen scanf anywhere commonly used
< 1431480388 11891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanl is something completely different
< 1431480394 752479 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> atoi "345"
< 1431480396 175637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘atoi’
< 1431480401 387026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "345" :: Integer
< 1431480402 816539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 345
< 1431480415 936467 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> strtol "345"
< 1431480417 325736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘strtol’
< 1431480438 746656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "345" :: Double
< 1431480440 93444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 345.0
< 1431480447 545692 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "345" :: String
< 1431480448 969849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.read: no parse
< 1431480455 847483 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "345" :: [Char]
< 1431480457 383822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*Exception: Prelude.read: no parse
< 1431480465 218815 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail
< 1431480506 84536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "\"345\"" :: String
< 1431480507 527602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "345"
< 1431480524 538232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does the opposite of show, so you need the quotes
< 1431480537 471173 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "345.0 78 \"jakarta\"" :: [Int, Double, String]
< 1431480538 720252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Expected a type, but ‘'[Int, Double, String]’ has kind ‘[*]’
< 1431480538 866820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In an expression type signature: '[Int, Double, String]
< 1431480538 866978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression:
< 1431480577 520777 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lists are homogenous?
< 1431480583 916215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1431480597 670616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that read won't work either
< 1431480628 569851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "(345.0, 78, \"jakarta\")" :: (Int, Double, String)
< 1431480630 105415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.read: no parse
< 1431480632 309330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1431480637 912608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1431480646 650740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "(345.0, 78, \"jakarta\")" :: (Double, Int, String)
< 1431480648 9176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (345.0,78,"jakarta")
< 1431480701 81954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell distinguishes between homogeneous lists and nonhomogeneous tuples
< 1431480784 187377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuples with many elements are a bit of an antipattern, and not that well supported.
< 1431480868 590103 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[45,75.0,'f',"foo"]
< 1431480874 859470 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [45,75.0,'f',"foo"]
< 1431480876 203969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match expected type ‘Char’ with actual type ‘[Char]’
< 1431480876 350555 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: "foo"
< 1431480876 350632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: [45, 75.0, 'f', "foo"]
< 1431480906 813686 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['f',"foo"] :: [Either Char String]
< 1431480908 178141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match expected type ‘Either Char String’
< 1431480908 324729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 with actual type ‘Char’
< 1431480908 324810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: 'f'
< 1431480953 24216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either doesn't do any silent conversion either
< 1431480966 809555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [Left 'f', Right "foo"] :: [Either Char String]
< 1431480968 135419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Left 'f',Right "foo"]
< 1431481037 17891 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah
< 1431481059 341479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :many newbies pass through a stage where they want heterogeneous lists
< 1431481120 256837 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're kind of an idiom in a lot of languages
< 1431481139 449288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is, it's usually due to an X/Y problem: unless you're doing hideously advanced stuff there's a simpler haskell way without them.
< 1431481161 306713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least a more typesafe one
< 1431482340 288212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1431482595 405702 :doesthiswork1!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431482595 674305 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1431485631 326666 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1431486892 782986 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk
< 1431487688 715033 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1431488754 532376 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I want to create?
< 1431488760 301395 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Online Encyclopedia of Real Numbers.
< 1431488779 396228 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, there are uncountably many real numbers. But that hasn't stopped OEIS.
< 1431488923 196543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is already the inverse symbolic calculator
< 1431488942 644917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have some gaps hth
< 1431488962 88591 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it'll have to be the Online Encyclopedia of Computable Numbers.
< 1431488983 834749 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda hard to index the non-computables.
< 1431489068 205406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE
< 1431489110 476936 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the OEIS doesn't claim to contain only computable sequences.
< 1431489166 278191 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thare are non-computable integers too
< 1431489186 595439 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for one meaning of "are")
< 1431489212 216082 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are non-computable integer expressions. There are not non-computable integers.
< 1431489221 851891 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any integer small enough to fit inside a computer program is computable.
< 1431489234 545974 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1431489235 631903 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any integer is computable.
< 1431489252 548281 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the reasonably definition of 'computable', 'integers', and 'are'.
< 1431489274 749062 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and computer memory is a finite resource
< 1431489277 923164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but you cleverly forgot to define "any" hth
< 1431489294 932002 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are the non-standard integers
< 1431489325 94188 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like ...111110?
< 1431489338 655465 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: Not in the definition of "computable".
< 1431489383 348600 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR definition of computable which presumably isn't satisfied by any um, computer
< 1431489386 675246 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When pikhq says "any", they're saying that there exists an integer which is computable.
< 1431489454 584574 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: The definition of computable is not satisfied by any computer, yes.
< 1431489464 626429 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's it's theoretically possible to explicitly define a non-standard integer.
< 1431489465 763683 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can define an uncomputable number, you could presumably still meaningfully index it
< 1431489477 254711 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will now pretty much do so.
< 1431489481 162529 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will say something stronger, though. For all integers x, x is computable.
< 1431489508 651604 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is to say, there exists an algorithm which will compute x.
< 1431489514 937517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only computable if you can do it with an original ibm pc. this is how theory works
< 1431489545 584761 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use a mainframe does that make it supercomputable?
< 1431489550 679999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1431489584 452825 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let P be a predicate on the natural numbers, defined in the language of second-order arithmetic, such that P is not satisfied by any natural number, but ZFC does not prove that P is not satisfied by any natural number.
< 1431489611 604981 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perform the Henkin construction on the theory ZFC + "there exists a natural number satisfying P". (This can be done in an explicitly definable manner.)
< 1431489627 151579 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :computable should have different definitions when dealing with abstract algorithms, than when dealing with the tuple of (algorithm, arguments)
< 1431489659 956643 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the witness of the statement "there exists a natural number satisfying P" is a non-standard integer.
< 1431489661 313720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you please refrain from offering strong opinions on something you clearly don't even know the definition of...
< 1431489670 572012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"perform the henkin construction" sounds like /such/ mathbabble
< 1431489677 409350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fakest real thing I've ever heard
< 1431489697 650617 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you have also the arguments, it is then possible to prove that no computer can be built which can carry it to completion
< 1431489711 994889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please. this is painful.
< 1431489720 111530 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set the henkin drive to negative ten parsecs
< 1431489727 681666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why you think any of this is relevant to theoretical CS
< 1431489774 423521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean unless you're going to go all finitist and say that huge integers don't exist in the first place because the universe can't fit the paper to write down their digits on
< 1431489788 376669 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is relevant to thw practical problem of creating a database of computable numbers?
< 1431489793 951304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more defensible than introducing weird arbitrary limits just because the word "computer" pops up
< 1431489829 462794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs

< 1431489833 730030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't really
< 1431489854 514995 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy to make a database of computable numbers, just throw away all the digits and answer "yes, it's computable"
< 1431489856 395000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a database could easily contain an integer that can trivially be computed but not in this universe
< 1431489861 159597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just include the definition
< 1431489864 506043 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's also NUMBERWANG"
< 1431489876 126692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but a database of "computable numbers" is rather unlikely to include any integers)
< 1431489882 124869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or rationals, for that matter)
< 1431489887 737070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except as trivial examples)
< 1431489934 442445 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that every integer can have a definition which can be stored.
< 1431489953 826260 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, if you mean "stored in the universe".
< 1431489958 457824 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1431489961 599616 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematicians don't tend to care about the physical limits of the universe.
< 1431489973 410319 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "computable" is defined in a way which disregards the physical limits of the universe.
< 1431489980 243083 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any other universe I can store things in
< 1431489998 851499 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/topic Disregard the physical limits of the universe
< 1431490065 557195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw how do you define "computable in this universe" 'cuz you're never gonna query every digit of a computable real
< 1431490080 404003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"any digit can be computed in reasonable time on a reasonable computer"? "the early digits can be"?
< 1431490081 163026 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1431490093 355083 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me one of these days to study "the ultrafinitistic category".
< 1431490093 501589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...don't actually answer that...
< 1431490137 168728 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, the category whose objects are sets of finite sequences of symbols from the alphabet {A, B}, and whose morphisms are functions whose output length is bounded by a polynomial function of the input length.
< 1431490151 235397 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most reals aren't computable by a practical defintion. That's why we use floating point
< 1431490178 559256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pain levels are approaching physical here, ORin
< 1431490184 996964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you please like... google "computable number" or something
< 1431490190 439293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Looks like a good time to leave
< 1431490250 903716 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I'm explicitly saying "parctical definition"... form now on when I say computable I will mean on a turing machine with unbounded time and space, kay
< 1431490314 32750 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is important to remember that we don't care about practicality. Even less so than most theoreticians.
< 1431490320 59487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but why do you think this "practical definition" is relevant to the topic that was being discussed at all
< 1431490330 46716 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is too mainstream.
< 1431490344 193954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so far off from the goal of making a database of interesting real numbers that it's hard to even parse it in that context
< 1431490352 616788 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of the idea of making a database similar to OEIS
< 1431490372 638838 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure OEIS includes some sequences that aren't practical to compute all of.
< 1431490407 907040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like uncountability matters for making a finite subset of anyway........
< 1431490412 954639 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm talking about mathematicalobjects where it isn't even practical to define them
< 1431490427 584040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, hint: possibly-infinite sequences of integers are isomorphic to the real numbers
< 1431490432 147831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the same size
< 1431490444 48056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OEIS-for-reals has to care about floating point or whatever exactly as much as OEIS does
< 1431490445 421261 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/search?q=busy+beaver
< 1431490456 215612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1431490465 77658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the analogy for the OEIS busy beaver entry would be chaitin's omega, I suppose
< 1431490470 599897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the known digits for some formalism included
< 1431490482 7798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not computable even if you have as many universes as you want...
< 1431490490 733840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, as long as church-turing holds in all of them)
< 1431490546 339815 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'hard' tag on OEIS is specifically for sequences where it is hard to find new entries, so..
< 1431490558 852874 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, So. Chaitin's omega can't be computed. ORin hypothesized number, there is no algorithm which can ever be written.
< 1431490566 946426 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :let alone run
< 1431490581 421792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1431490585 571226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaitin's omega doesn't have a computable algorithm either
< 1431490591 967178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of the point. it's not computable by a turing machine
< 1431490625 565928 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the canonical example of a non-computable number.
< 1431490628 724614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each halting probability is a normal and transcendental real number that is not computable, which means that there is no algorithm to compute its digits. Indeed, each halting probability is Martin-Löf random, meaning there is not even any algorithm which can reliably guess its digits.
< 1431490678 215913 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, sorry I messed up there.
< 1431490707 513592 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there is no defintion which can be written" is what I wsas getting at before
< 1431490729 147460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, yes, undefinable real numbers are a thing
< 1431490740 420562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and far scarier to think about than uncomputable imo)
< 1431490752 947901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, such an encyclopedia would never be able to include undefinable numbers
< 1431490756 663517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but computability isn't an obstacle
< 1431490771 321556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what counts as "undefinable" depends on what you're writing the definitions in, of course
< 1431490803 305965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully, since the answer to any question we ask can never be an undefinable number (because our question defines it), they're completely uninteresting
< 1431490815 108710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically all just completely random juk as far as we're concerned
< 1431490818 112719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*junk
< 1431490839 908850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the real numbers most likely to keep you awake at night thinking about them though
< 1431491100 667470 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, how about this then. The "unthinkable numbers" are those where a defintion cannot be written, or possibly, cannot be fully understood. This includes undefinable numbers, but also includes many definable ones, because the shortest definitions of such, are too long for a human's lifetime.
< 1431491126 190015 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good.
< 1431491139 788385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was your point again >_>
< 1431491175 602940 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh that last one was rather pointless actually. But fun to think about
< 1431491189 179436 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of the "intuitive definition" of a non-standard number given here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_set_theory
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< 1431491233 3601 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A standard number is one that someone, somewhere, has specifically thought of or will specifically think of.
< 1431491241 139201 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the other numbers are non-standard.
< 1431491263 853986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet, every time some nerd tries to tell me about a non-standard number I can just think about it and instantly prove them wrong
< 1431491268 338144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the power........
< 1431491294 826329 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait how would they tell you about it?
< 1431491323 37476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by talking about a model that has a non-standard number in it
< 1431491351 629800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :models are scary
< 1431491362 453268 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that non-standard number I just defined (up to detail) isn't actually a number at all.
< 1431491388 584327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone thinks things are the same as their definitions and then you find out about models and just cry forever :(
< 1431491437 655953 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION performs "Mad World".

< 1431491447 181566 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. I'm pretty sure they aren't, primarily because you can define things differently
< 1431491489 4760 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi is the area of unit circle. Or is it the ratio of diameter and perimeter?
< 1431491501 748557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, people see the Peano defintion of the naturals and assume that there are no naturals that aren't of the form SSS...Z, and you can even prove it.
< 1431491514 931141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are realisations of the Peano axioms where that isn't true.
< 1431491515 345141 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1431491526 177538 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1431491527 696490 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's kinda funny, I think it's kinda sad. The dreams in which it turns out that mathematical contradictions are, in fact, true, and so not only does nothing exist, but nothing ever could have existed, not even hypothetically, are the best I've ever had.
< 1431491529 786618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the existence of non-standard models is very surprising to most people.
< 1431491549 283525 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: pi is both of those things, as it happens.
< 1431491561 116170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the prior tendency is to assume that any consistent theory has one standard model, and to identify that model with the theory.
< 1431491572 363683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure that's how I thought of things before
< 1431491588 205753 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I see it is that first-order Peano arithmetic is merely an attempt at approximating second-order Peano arithmetic.
< 1431491595 36592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like eve mathematicians act like this is true a lot of the time by saying things that only make sense if you identify a theory with its standard model
< 1431491603 996310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the way they phrase proofs and stuff
< 1431491605 877885 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good attempt, but not perfect.
< 1431491614 548353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*even
< 1431491642 692372 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, let me spout an unsolicited opinion.
< 1431491666 462422 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :im listening!
< 1431491688 162836 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't consider "a set of real numbers" to be a meaningful notion in (mathematical) reality.
< 1431491722 976984 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I should go to bed a couple hours ago.
< 1431491724 950239 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night, everyone.
< 1431491953 698801 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :great now i will spend an hour trying to figure out
< 1431492816 830873 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh. there is no undefinable number which is closest to x, for any definable x
< 1431492920 159557 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but neither can
< 1431493036 614097 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there be a undefinable number which is furthest away
< 1431493536 746078 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :any definition of a number, whether meta on the set of definable numbers or not, puts that number into said set.
< 1431493764 272970 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that you really can't touch them
< 1431493898 824257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: if you talk about "the undefinable number which is ...", you've already lost.
< 1431493917 721865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berry_paradox
< 1431493919 759118 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A model of the real numbers where the undefinable numbers are missing, rearranged or otherwise messed, is indistinguishable from the standard one
< 1431493939 87988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh, not so sure about that...
< 1431493947 821346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the definable numbers are countable
< 1431493958 838271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reals are most certainly not countable, so you're doing heavy surgery there
< 1431494001 355808 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how would one devise a test?
< 1431494028 163315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is even your proposal for that model?
< 1431494037 194869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you define one and prove it satisfies the axioms?
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< 1431494143 734504 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't be rearranged
< 1431494183 908944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... a formal definition. :)
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< 1431494367 311489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that you cannot define undefinable numbers from within the theory.
< 1431494386 871081 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SHIT
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< 1431494404 690684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could define the set of undefinable numbers, you could define an undefinable number by, e.g. just picking one arbitrarily. (axiom of choice!!11)
< 1431494425 360661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it "a level up", though
< 1431494498 994274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you pick one arbitrarily?
< 1431494500 48077 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can't define the set of definable numbers either
< 1431494575 211258 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not sure about that one
< 1431494589 318408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :axiom of choice?
< 1431494643 954991 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it's an axiom that I can do it, but I don't know how to do it.
< 1431494653 661322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we
< 1431494662 97739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'re talking about undefinable reals, nobody gets to call constructivism
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< 1431494773 234538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I follow. Maybe I don't understand what an undefinable number is.
< 1431494775 263685 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can say "I summon x from the set S, let it be chosen"
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< 1431494796 840155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the set of definable numbers also undefinable in this context?
< 1431494815 161569 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. I'm not sure actually
< 1431494818 407360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definable_real_number
< 1431494847 383389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, https://mathoverflow.net/questions/44102/is-the-analysis-as-taught-in-universities-in-fact-the-analysis-of-definable-numb/44129#44129 might be better.
< 1431494861 477400 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably we can apply the predicate definable to other math objects too
< 1431494910 645243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sigh, models)
< 1431494948 552659 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a model for it
< 1431494951 260649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, no, you can't define (un)definable numbers in the theory you're talking about.
< 1431494962 250342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a meta-level concept
< 1431494970 186724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like consistency or whatever
< 1431495008 318557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: sure, uncountable things
< 1431495015 852238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end it's just the fact that the set of descriptions is countable
< 1431495080 468679 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the set of definable obj does not include itself?
< 1431495390 189008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I see.
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< 1431496615 429524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fools!
< 1431496671 111752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this book, published in the 1990s, doesn't have a publication date printed in it. I don't understand why. would it cost too much for them to add one? would it go against their sacred traditions? are they affraid people won't buy the book if it's more than two years old?
< 1431496693 855709 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an isbn, and library catalogs list the date of the book variously as "1996", "1996?", and "2003"
< 1431496698 678902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The real question is why papers never have a date written on them.
< 1431496737 419516 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's because you usually see preprint drafts. the published papers usually have a date.
< 1431496750 165405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be an explanation.
< 1431496755 733127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily for papers it's usually easy to find out the date, because they're indexed well
< 1431496786 945870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can sort of understand no date for 18th century books, when they didn't add _any_ info about the publisher,
< 1431496795 980035 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tell who the translator or illustrator is.
< 1431496828 969947 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/18th/19th/
< 1431496868 35025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this book, it's a 20the century book, it has a colophon page telling the publisher, the translator, the cover illustrator, and on the back it has a list of other books published in the same series
< 1431496882 45532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has an isbn
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< 1431497116 752484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the book?
< 1431497778 90817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ''Kalevala'', Talentum Diákkönyvtár Sorozat, (1996?) Akkord kiadó, ISBN 9638396652, abridged edition, translator Rácz István, preface by Outi Karanko.
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< 1431512211 482400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Why are you reading The Kalevala? 
< 1431512360 562144 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dunno, why not? I might not read that translation though. I'll have to find copies of perhaps all four modern translations and figure out which one I prefer and read only that.
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< 1431513126 514029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You should just read the Don Rosa version, it's a lot shorter.
< 1431513142 197275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you for or against this net neutrality thing? 
< 1431513142 681792 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the first part remaining intact. the council leapt into the breach, adopting its common position, nor by the house i met a group called the bilderberg group. this group of people wishing to take a number of countries have concluded between 25 and 28.
< 1431513166 307142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you quite sure you're not turning into a conspiracy theorist? 
< 1431513166 707930 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the willockx report is the role of echo in the other language versions too. ( parliament gave its approval for these potentially disastrous plans to go forward. this topic has been given: parliament is well aware, ladies and gentlemen, i will reply successively to the different legal systems, in which the european union
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< 1431516902 652285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bivector
< 1431516903 254398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bivector? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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< 1431517410 962111 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A trade-off for these advantages of the modern human pelvis is that childbirth is more difficult and dangerous than in most mammals, especially given the larger head size of human babies compared to other primates.
< 1431517415 509689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting.
< 1431517437 71079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1431517437 109567 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1431518051 189715 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I know a guy who has complained loudly (but not seriously) about some primordial fish deciding to put its whatever-hole behind its rear fins instead of in front for this reason.
< 1431518129 925251 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just find it very unusual for evolution to evolve in a way that makes producing offspring more dangerous
< 1431518157 234987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't really sound like an advantage that would make these kind of mutations survive better.
< 1431518162 486533 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tradeoffs and changing costs.
< 1431518315 9876 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly, if the thing is helps the offspring you do produce to survive, this may outweigh being restricted to fewer. May.
< 1431518553 893593 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it is an evolutionary mismatch
< 1431518572 824226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since evolution isn't really goal and/or future oriented these things can happen
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< 1431518630 188870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's a bivector?
< 1431518630 672131 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, mrs fnord. fifth aspect: while taking account of our will to resolve their problem. it preserves the four pillar structure and the implementation of the action plan for the return of the golan heights are illegal, are marginalised, living in a different light, it is a good example in the care sector also risen in other member states.
< 1431518652 659859 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is it some crazy physicist thing, or some crazy type theory computer science thing?
< 1431518653 648540 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it is with the presidency. let me make it clear before the end of business on the other hand, we do not even comply with the guidelines which we discussed this week, as the house, has voted today without the services of such an important debate on competition this morning, on behalf of the socialist group has finally decided to allocate ecu 200m to this task, and also in order to break the taboos. we have talked about,
< 1431518655 813176 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vector that points into two directions?
< 1431518721 736893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, apparently it's just an antisymmetric 2-0-tensor or something
< 1431518735 49570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, one that points into two directions
< 1431518746 440758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not quite that
< 1431518850 496402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so physicist nonsense, not type theory one
< 1431518897 525606 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe haskell people have a different object called the same, one that's real simple, because it's just a bimorphism in the bicategory of Idunno what
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< 1431521291 356399 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, assumptions, the Foglios surprised me once again...
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< 1431525160 368542 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He didn't even bother to change the text o_O
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< 1431529025 428530 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I like the modern human pelvis
< 1431529040 942943 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bones look alll wonky
< 1431529045 94911 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has its downsides, certainly
< 1431529257 789121 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I bet another design wouldn't requre me to probably need a new hip when I'm 60
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< 1431532686 669409 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.153.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone interested in CROBOTS? There's a 30th anniversary tournament in November http://crobots.deepthought.it/home.php?page=tournament2015&link=2
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< 1431533202 928176 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic_, ooh, that looks interesting
< 1431533388 39443 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.153.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been meaning to give it a go for years.
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< 1431542235 647443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42860&oldid=42859 5* 0372.74.32.143 5* (-104) 10/* Commands */
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< 1431551398 103314 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey yorick is your name copied from hamlet that guy who died?
< 1431551445 938327 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431551466 154561 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431551471 971089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that guy who died" isn't very descriptive hth
< 1431551495 898534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't most of the characters in hamlet end up dying?
< 1431551505 673576 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't yorick the skull?
< 1431551509 203943 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's literally all I know about the yorick from hamlet
< 1431551559 356955 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone dies in romeo and juliet too.
< 1431551576 577188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR some famous musician bequeathed his skull to the Royal Shakespeare Company, with a request that it be used to play the part of Yorick
< 1431551587 383889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently they actually did so at least once (not sure if they do it every time)
< 1431551601 102405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, perhaps composer rather than musician
< 1431551669 521831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that a composer would count as a musician.
< 1431551709 458493 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also heard of the guy who donated his skull
< 1431551712 868704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, the word's more commonly used for people who read music than write it, though
< 1431551729 243525 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote canposer
< 1431551729 639843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and play it, but "read" is still technically correct and makes the sentence look nicer)
< 1431551730 30806 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :379)  drinks should come in long long pipes that drip liquid at varying speeds, and you shouldn't just casually taste to them, you should really try to understand what the artist (the canposer?) was trying to convey when making the drink   olsner: well you know i'm a genius. anyway i like how food works tho, because it has both th
< 1431551825 577314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What good is a quote so long it won't fit in a line of IRC?
< 1431551886 858501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to connect HackEgo to a server with a shorter name
< 1431551899 789535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although "verne.freenode.net" is probably one of the shortest
< 1431551902 45779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no
< 1431551911 610434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's which server that you're connected to that matters
< 1431551916 186875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not which server it's connected to
< 1431552012 644075 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 NICK :tswett
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< 1431552901 706902 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe something like a@43nt30.tk would be better?
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< 1431555067 968312 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pökes oerjan in the diæresis

< 1431555311 870066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name has no diæresis hthoily
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< 1431557636 244131 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a słash, then
< 1431557688 709669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i think the argot on this channel has gone too far
< 1431557697 902663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i thirth about it
< 1431557797 696105 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431557798 142657 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think about the matter?
< 1431557798 384016 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: mr president, the treaty of amsterdam, that whatever the majority that is required is reciprocity between the pillars. i share that view.
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< 1431558140 400453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :słashes are fine, especially when słashbuckling
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< 1431559063 551902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: so does https://git.haskell.org/ghc.git/commitdiff/130e93aab220bdf14d08028771f83df210da340b mean you can finally get instances for (,) :: Constraint -> Constraint -> Constraint  ?
< 1431559085 419108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you need to import it from GHC.Classes
< 1431559180 748328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm but it's not mentioned in the export list.  confusing.
< 1431559898 592359 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? thirth
< 1431559899 196061 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thirth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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< 1431559995 524037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i have no idea what Phantom_Hoover means either
< 1431560010 711038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the irth form
< 1431560043 868823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you should questionirth me and search the logs??
< 1431560093 669823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i am sorry you do _not_ get to use it with "should" hth
< 1431560102 82630 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldirth!
< 1431560114 19199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldirth is fine
< 1431560162 207810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'should' isn't a verb hth
< 1431560248 803072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it irth
< 1431560469 995349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a disgrace johansen
< 1431560504 870538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you sayfth so
< 1431560708 982038 :Sprocklem_!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431560735 622190 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1431560950 671529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i tried to figure out what "irth" stood for for a while tdnh
< 1431561036 978281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iwnsth hth
< 1431561141 396845 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :irth is what you reply if someone tells you to rtfm hth
< 1431561218 997009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HireFly
< 1431561234 311637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :run into any exciting abstractions lately?
< 1431561252 933916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats FireFly -----###

< 1431561264 191547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!
< 1431561293 508047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just ran him into an exciting abstraction hth
< 1431561306 266674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it had been too long
< 1431561319 677775 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that is true
< 1431561370 117668 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not a person of exciting abstractions, I'm afraid :(
< 1431561426 13783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of exciting things have you run into, then
< 1431561442 599723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ride any good trains?
< 1431561501 775343 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: johansen???
< 1431561539 876171 :Sprocklem_!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1431561605 374430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes?
< 1431561627 391815 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: johansen???????? I thought it was sørensen.
< 1431561628 770650 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431561631 190704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts wondering if boily has done a /whois in his life

< 1431561663 220592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i am pretty sure i corrected that miscomprehension on a previous occasion hth
< 1431561664 329320 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran a mediocre X60 train recently
< 1431561673 208633 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have. never got the hang of it, really.
< 1431561678 186648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, people have a tendency to lie in /whois
< 1431561681 34424 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431561685 816242 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I missed the fix hth.
< 1431561699 780389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you say so, Mr. this
< 1431561714 205840 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what fascinating subjects should I learn about?
< 1431561724 391236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this does not help
< 1431561745 261228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: If you like trains, you can join #trains.
< 1431561779 337793 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ran/rode/
< 1431561783 148914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what does not help?
< 1431561802 232474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help
< 1431561813 559063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: What sort of subjects do you already know about?
< 1431561816 441825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1431561877 360271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it'd be a little like if you'd write Alex T. Carpenter
< 1431561880 111406 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be quite a lot to enumerate all subjects
< 1431561891 488287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just enumerate the fascinating ones, then.
< 1431561922 588274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah just skip straight to the first boring one
< 1431561922 951122 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has lens gotten any new mindbending typeclasses lately?
< 1431561932 310401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not.
< 1431561938 429754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t confused
< 1431561939 467557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘confused’
< 1431561942 194599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t confuse
< 1431561943 163546 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘confuse’
< 1431561945 292862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1431561953 114538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hmph
< 1431561953 967926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1431561959 182975 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t hmph
< 1431561960 355219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘hmph’
< 1431561965 733432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch it with words that start and end with h hth
< 1431561979 433977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Speaking of fascinating subjects, did you ever say anything about Chu spaces?
< 1431561991 51169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1431561999 524339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure /someone/ did but I don't think it was me
< 1431562004 2066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Chu
< 1431562004 969904 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :382)  elliott: i have yet to demonstrate that the sml community has less productive power than the real chunk of meat. \ 639)  if only alonzo church would have anticipated the computer terminal...   itidus20: What do you think it would be if he did so?   i just plucked his name at random [...]  if only the
< 1431562018 618526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote " Chu "
< 1431562019 464592 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1431562026 124956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the qdb, though
< 1431562038 69599 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Chu spaces
< 1431562038 706320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there was a nearby punctuation mark
< 1431562038 707376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Chu space is just a matrix. Taneb invented them, then Chu stole his invention.
< 1431562043 158986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right
< 1431562052 8773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Tanebventions
< 1431562053 882194 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, weetoflakes, persistence, and this sentence.
< 1431562058 802705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where I remember seeing it
< 1431562073 83379 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Go
< 1431562073 810799 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go is a common verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes in the strategic territories of East Asia.
< 1431562085 526682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chu spaces are pretty great.
< 1431562092 403577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn hmph/His Master's Phonetic Hmph
< 1431562094 176126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «hmph»
< 1431562097 377113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like linear logic, I you'd surely like Chu spaces?
< 1431562121 56293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/I //
< 1431562126 75986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1431562127 574727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like linear logic in general, more just fragments of it
< 1431562132 212352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I messed that sentence up beyond repair.
< 1431562134 904702 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably learn about linear logic
< 1431562140 834954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's OK, because fragments of it are enough.
< 1431562156 886533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much anything you can think of is a full subcategory of some category of Chu spaces.
< 1431562705 263168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ah, assumptions, the Foglios surprised me once again... <-- which one twh, also they seem _really_ bad at permanently killing off sympathetic characters.
< 1431562745 829219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have there been any since they left the circus
< 1431562996 675574 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1431563017 220744 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the one that trains go over ground or in existing tunnels.
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< 1431563053 384402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, although there have been plenty of digging machines before
< 1431563059 828223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the beast itself
< 1431563070 122431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa
< 1431563078 815525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a seriously casual twh just inserted in the middle of a sentence there
< 1431563137 642790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well i didn't know it took this little to explode your brain
< 1431563159 213905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm p. much the ghc of people
< 1431563173 109256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc expl
< 1431563173 398890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urk! Inventing strangely-kinded void TyCon: :t{tc a5gUj} (* -> *) -> * -> *
< 1431563192 259684 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot has been contaminated by fungot?
< 1431563192 553820 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mr president, i would like to take this historic opportunity and one that has been in existence for over five years. unlike in the past these devices were excluded. in italy, the far left in particular, to let us know the results of the model used in the european union
< 1431563209 273619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: via ghc, obviously
< 1431563212 162327 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why am I on irc thru a server in London?
< 1431563295 766088 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLORin. because that's the logicalest, fungottest route.
< 1431563296 270426 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mr president, in the aim of encouraging honesty and transparency in this field. i shall, and must remain, the responsibility of the colombian army, went on television to call for vigilance on our planet cannot be bought by decree it has to be undertaken on friday and saturday of this week.
< 1431563322 510431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: your normal one probably disconnected you, so irssi chose irc.freenode.net which is essentially random?
< 1431563336 916255 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1431563374 797004 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it's probably because this Bell wireless router sucks
< 1431563396 210709 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're stuck with the Bell? bletch!
< 1431563399 607334 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well actually I've never had a wireless router that didn't suck
< 1431563430 794753 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rogers one sucked too
< 1431563452 353821 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was somehow even worse when we had both
< 1431563555 938057 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two routers under the same coffee table probably causes interferenc
< 1431563595 947541 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not probably. most surely.
< 1431563641 165340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : we need to connect HackEgo to a server with a shorter name <-- i'm not sure HackEgo's cutoff is very server-dependent...
< 1431563650 224368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 379
< 1431563650 907331 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :379)  drinks should come in long long pipes that drip liquid at varying speeds, and you shouldn't just casually taste to them, you should really try to understand what the artist (the canposer?) was trying to convey when making the drink   olsner: well you know i'm a genius. anyway i like how food works tho, because it has both th
< 1431563693 279732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the maximum length of an IRC line is the entire line
< 1431563696 336441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that includes the routing deatils
< 1431563699 612793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*details
< 1431563714 791334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i know that but HackEgo's cutoff is conservative iirc
< 1431563725 633098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :379)  drinks should come in long long pipes that drip liquid at varying speeds, and you shouldn't just casually taste
< 1431563728 693717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :                to them, you should really try to understand what the artist
< 1431563731 193061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :                (the canposer?) was trying to convey when making the drink
< 1431563733 734438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 olsner: well you know i'm a genius. anyway i like how
< 1431563736 727405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :                food works tho, because it has both th
< 1431563749 110344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course irssi won't use the line joining when i actually want it...
< 1431563749 524835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: still cut off, but now neatly word-wrapped and indented
< 1431563784 987337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't i, like, increase the timeout for this...
< 1431563790 61001 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... If I did that, it would be alternated with lines from my other coloumn
< 1431563838 926129 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So            what the artist (the canposer?) was trying to convey when                              dv.x=dv.c = n;
< 1431563841 429406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste_detect_time = 100msecs
< 1431563864 12660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :htf can that be too little.
< 1431563951 824020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: i don't think there's much hope of it working with horizontal splitting...
< 1431564031 569568 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would work if this terminal had block-select
< 1431564047 387821 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't
< 1431564048 629267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm putty does have that, i've just never used it
< 1431564066 579893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would
< 1431564067 846376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it d
< 1431564098 319032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't help with the line wrapping though
< 1431564106 814319 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1431565622 441402 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42862&oldid=42860 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+800) 10
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< 1431566647 198954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reading the famous "mongodb is web scale" post

< 1431566660 989150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually better than the meme it spawned
< 1431566668 158423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does /dev/null support sharding?"
< 1431567101 963488 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web scale
< 1431567108 731005 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean
< 1431567127 617293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't
< 1431567145 813872 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1431567148 400951 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a web-shaped scale
< 1431567148 620778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a conversation between someone who's insisting that monogdb is great without knowing they're talking about
< 1431567154 100412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone who does know databases
< 1431567161 193126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the start is hilarious, it sort-of breaks down after a while
< 1431567184 746991 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took a course in databases, and only half of the conversation even has menaing to me
< 1431567194 484854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially because apparently it is parody rather than sincere, in a sort of reverse Poe's Law; I was willing to believe it actually was someone that stupid)
< 1431567244 268589 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what exactly is sharding?
< 1431567267 968488 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sharding? you probably meant shredding.
< 1431567308 218806 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So apparently it means that you store parts of the dataset on different servers
< 1431567312 373798 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/null is ACID
< 1431567398 2983 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. technically it is
< 1431567464 215343 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42863&oldid=42862 5* 030x0dea 5* (+69) 10Add "Hello, world!" program
< 1431567560 859071 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No part of ACID defines what transactions do. ACID only guearantees stuff about how transaction interact
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< 1431571381 715766 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03LostAstronaut 5*  10New user account
< 1431571426 701543 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:LostAstronaut14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42864 5* 03LostAstronaut 5* (+25) 10Created page with "http://lostastronaut.com/"
< 1431571435 7351 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk
< 1431571557 159969 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node.js and io.js are merging
< 1431571657 703761 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fringespeak14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42865 5* 03LostAstronaut 5* (+636) 10Created page
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< 1431572206 86439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 985
< 1431572206 985403 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 985: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1431572217 586663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat again
< 1431572248 753053 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we understand a little more now
< 1431572253 716900 :flet!~flet@45.55.230.119 PART :#esoteric
< 1431572302 37753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wasn't commenting to Sgeo hth hth

< 1431572328 200849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd already given up trying to make a relevant portmanteau pun
< 1431572432 638609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh tdnh
< 1431572447 750579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok
< 1431572479 188983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with all the olist updates
< 1431573054 805934 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the external links on the Malbrain page are broken :-(
< 1431573056 656717 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbrain
< 1431573106 834210 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alacrity14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42871 5* 03LostAstronaut 5* (+2407) 10Created page
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< 1431573474 853072 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Malbrain14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42878&oldid=36913 5* 03Paul2520 5* (+209) 10note about external links broken
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< 1431575642 15929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alacrity14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42893&oldid=42892 5* 03LostAstronaut 5* (+1) 10
< 1431575703 913085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: anything of note?
< 1431575704 155729 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mr president, there are still areas subject to community tax. that would be a complex task, but i would like to make one comment, mr schwaiger, i should like to highlight the need for reform. there is nothing westinghouse can do about it.
< 1431576087 918428 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alacrity14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42894&oldid=42893 5* 03LostAstronaut 5* (+689) 10
< 1431576178 227372 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alacrity14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42895&oldid=42894 5* 03LostAstronaut 5* (+36) 10
< 1431576214 107175 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alacrity14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42896&oldid=42895 5* 03LostAstronaut 5* (-10) 10
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< 1431577307 376532 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42897&oldid=42867 5* 03LostAstronaut 5* (+15) 10
< 1431577578 886749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Timeline of esoteric programming languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42898&oldid=36984 5* 03LostAstronaut 5* (+177) 10Added Alacrity, a recently created esolang
< 1431577883 842706 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alacrity14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42899&oldid=42896 5* 03LostAstronaut 5* (+43) 10categories
< 1431577909 682907 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fringespeak14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42900&oldid=42870 5* 03LostAstronaut 5* (+43) 10categories
< 1431578123 700700 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1431578520 588378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkhi
< 1431578864 861773 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alacrity14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42901&oldid=42899 5* 03LostAstronaut 5* (+388) 10
< 1431578908 398080 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alacrity14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42902&oldid=42901 5* 03LostAstronaut 5* (+0) 10
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< 1431583569 428626 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat... http://www.projectoberon.com/
< 1431583608 899085 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks neat
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< 1431583647 622183 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holistic
< 1431583653 584063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh freenode is the largest irc network these days...
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< 1431589168 297286 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :My "Principles of Programming Languages" exam is in 10 hours...
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< 1431589627 636998 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember which continent Taneb is on.

< 1431589724 799907 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, Europe
< 1431589731 17429 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in the UK
< 1431589743 467946 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :York, to be precise
< 1431589762 885763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :6pm ... rather late for an exam
< 1431589777 766553 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah...
< 1431589783 901983 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have another one at 9am tomorrow, too
< 1431589791 562715 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh joy
< 1431589822 305753 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Introduction to Artificial Intelligence
< 1431589857 201695 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope you've trained your synapses well
< 1431589864 249691 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do I
< 1431589911 498663 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway good luck
< 1431589914 969468 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks :)
< 1431590040 599787 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit of a shame the two exams I'm most nervous about are practically back-to-back :(
< 1431590155 448262 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially how both are in subjects that I find quite interesting, but were poorly taught
< 1431590182 596689 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Principles of Intelligence and Aritificial Programming Languages )
< 1431590221 911237 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it shouldn't be hard to keep the two subjects separate, at least.
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< 1431596755 57426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloudatcost has entertainment value: Buffer I/O error on device dm-0, logical block 1081344
< 1431596866 196004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume the entertainment factor depends a little on how important the task you're trying to use it for is.
< 1431596874 67584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Would you like to move to CloudAtCost? 
< 1431596875 454442 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, mr barros moura's report raises the issue of trafficking in human beings. in view of the fact that the charter contains some ambiguous provisions that are more politically open and probably more problematic. the debate has been initiated. one of these old objectives i should like to second mr fabre-aubrespy's motion of censure all the more so because only 27 of complaints received fell within the scope of 
< 1431596894 606015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I see. But you're not actually a human being, you know.
< 1431596895 90243 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, i would refer to as the vietnam war, not to rely on the fact that the member states, but this does not mean that anyone at all can be put in its way by making absolute demands for reforms before an enlargement. doing that would create problems of its chairman, mr staes and mrs langenhagen, i am extremely disappointed to see that the council of defence ministers; and a meeting of the eu-tunisia association 
< 1431596974 595121 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it serves this mission-critical website: http://104.167.104.168/
< 1431597053 305589 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431597054 391199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice, but shouldn't that be an animated jif? 
< 1431597084 798743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is entertainment to me since I really only bought this lifetime plan to see how bad hosting can be. (conclusion: it could be worse, but not much worse)
< 1431597101 919811 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ahem. the only current spelling and pronounciation are ġif and [jif]
< 1431597106 787704 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: then I'd have to *work* on drawing more frames.
< 1431597113 84529 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*correct
< 1431598206 675014 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi
< 1431598206 794502 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, the commission's services are already in the region for the region, but it seems right to add, on this subject with the united states
< 1431598925 557997 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, our government needs a gift of jiggly yiff GIFs in a jiffy.
< 1431598925 678596 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: we voted against this directive.
< 1431599137 328218 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1431599863 2955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shortest europarl answer I've seen.
< 1431599875 667093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also suspiciously relevant.
< 1431599991 521665 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431600059 515239 :J_Arcane__!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1431600174 231258 :J_Arcane__!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1431600266 410922 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1431600614 622267 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This can only mean secession
< 1431600902 321843 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :Taneb
< 1431600926 798956 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :nvd
< 1431601050 311875 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. I missed the Tanelle window.
< 1431601093 194586 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1431601114 123162 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :While being nvd is fun, I might switch back to Taneb
< 1431601136 743540 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being nvd didn't solve the problem of "people in real life know me as Taneb and it is kind of scary"
< 1431601367 602537 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are real. you are Taneb.
< 1431601442 193484 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1431601496 907231 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :Taneb
< 1431601503 61462 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :nvd
< 1431601578 96521 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, screw it
< 1431601579 541660 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io NICK :Taneb
< 1431601584 187442 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle! :D
< 1431601630 426293 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good moilyning!
< 1431601746 152929 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it's just after noon for me
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< 1431602686 403602 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily
< 1431602695 949236 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia!
< 1431602733 777650 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rare to be up this early
< 1431602742 748648 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks melatonin
< 1431602749 722645 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thelatonin
< 1431602780 32286 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually there from some time ago until about now. a little bit of breakfast IRC before shower and going to work.
< 1431602795 79517 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I'm not actually up
< 1431602799 99676 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unusualer to see you at this time of the sun rotation!
< 1431602877 176823 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well have a good work then
< 1431602914 894159 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :code all the teeth
< 1431602919 509410 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both senses
< 1431602963 929895 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're coding REST teeth!
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< 1431604161 72040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like Thursdays?
< 1431604161 312224 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the general system. for example, of pensions. the second important message conveyed by mr deva relates to a fundamental right for citizens and, in payment appropriations. will it respect local populations and at the level of the european union
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< 1431608189 482403 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of doing a compiler n the LLVM backend for 
< 1431608219 179535 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf and some of is variants
< 1431608362 286182 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so i guess not really a compiler, just a translator into LLVM intermediate code)
< 1431608422 451798 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :has that been done yet?
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< 1431610039 805946 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: i don't know.
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< 1431610491 274606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Wepmlrio14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42903 5* 03178.197.235.7 5* (+29) 10Created page with "Y do u ruin an inside joke :("
< 1431610882 860201 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm IR is a great programming language
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< 1431614649 814866 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Timeline of esoteric programming languages14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42904&oldid=42898 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+189) 10Added the program ~ATH as it uniquely always exists in every universe.
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< 1431615356 761884 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\1114112'
< 1431615358 90783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:9: numeric escape sequence out of range at character '2'
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< 1431619503 389304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42905&oldid=42863 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+79) 10/* Hello, world! */
< 1431619871 881893 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42906&oldid=42905 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-4) 10/* Hello, world! */
< 1431620017 932563 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42907&oldid=42906 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+149) 10/* Example programs */
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< 1431620099 332144 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42908&oldid=42907 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+48) 10/* Roll 1,048,576d4 */
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< 1431627055 256035 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42909&oldid=42908 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-64) 10/* Commands */
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< 1431630024 289904 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :That exam went well, I think
< 1431630322 832245 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM doesn't optimize naively translated bf very well
< 1431630423 132386 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, it doesn't know to translate [->+<] into an addl instruction
< 1431630496 283593 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mybe i'm doing something wrong though
< 1431630631 159950 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/cYdPLX
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< 1431631355 815078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember doing rather naive bf translation, and getting reasonable outputs.
< 1431631362 254171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No time to look right now, though.
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< 1431633658 511157 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KNUQ
< 1431633658 955682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KNUQ 141956Z 28005KT 10SM -RA FEW043 BKN055 OVC075 15/11 A2983 RMK AO2 RAB39 SLP103 P0000 T01500111
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< 1431634519 575859 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42912&oldid=42911 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+53) 10/* Commands */
< 1431634541 471679 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42913&oldid=42912 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+21) 10/* A Java Interpreter */
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< 1431636295 248333 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so LLVM can't optimiza around writes to global memory
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< 1431638549 407541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42914&oldid=42913 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10/* Calculate square of input */
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< 1431641922 301896 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42915&oldid=42914 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-1) 10
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< 1431642097 534089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42916&oldid=42915 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+26) 10/* A Java Interpreter */
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< 1431643810 609651 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan
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< 1431644302 903145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :god quellopia
< 1431644474 484483 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42917&oldid=42916 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-264) 10
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< 1431644590 734887 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42919&oldid=42918 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+49) 10/* A Java Interpreter */
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< 1431645039 945851 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42922&oldid=42921 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10/* Truth Machine */
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< 1431645506 16701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilening
< 1431645557 958508 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoerjanelp!
< 1431645573 915024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boit's the problem?
< 1431645576 901276 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used hth on our company's internal chat!
< 1431645597 355063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1431645610 46913 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel corrupted...
< 1431645642 538349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what a covolcano does?
< 1431645668 101965 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellochaf. I guess so.
< 1431645687 553635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, that 'h' isn't convincing.
< 1431645707 283384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one twh
< 1431645723 533256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sh' is a single phoneme
< 1431645730 540213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't combine with "hello" at all.
< 1431645770 315484 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shhellochaf???
< 1431645777 431129 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not eugraphic.
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< 1431645883 15349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: don't listen to shachaf it's just helision
< 1431646553 693985 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1431649645 130444 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If J is pronounced Y in Norway, does that mean the EU is the JJ?
< 1431649669 362142 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Juropian Junjon
< 1431649700 429730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hth
< 1431649733 622341 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: don't listen to shachaf it's just phonetics
< 1431649849 76283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: no hth
< 1431649914 760240 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: beware the shachafagreeing Norwegian. he's an evil twin hth
< 1431649945 104581 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Another question. In canada we usually alternate verses of our anthem in english and french. Does the EU alternate all the languages of Europe?
< 1431649960 761299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :europe has uncountably many languages hth
< 1431649980 672255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's [eː ʉː] hth
< 1431650007 670611 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[y ø].
< 1431650012 809832 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431650018 336946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are incidentally the same as the letters E and U hth
< 1431650034 590635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1431650071 37689 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ô Canada... Terre de nos aïeux... Ton front est ceint... De fleurons glorieux ♪
< 1431650333 682379 :notfowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-lmqawnfprqloefmt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the EU have an anthem
< 1431650365 606174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you want the whole phrase, it would be [dɛn æʉɾʊp'eːɪskə ʉnɪ'uːn] if https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_phonology is to believed but i actually don't believe the æʉ part surely it should be œʉ.
< 1431650372 98397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to be
< 1431650378 899403 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :notfowl: Yes.
< 1431650414 854218 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the Oe an die Freude.
< 1431650419 224412 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ode
< 1431650437 848895 :notfowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-lmqawnfprqloefmt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird
< 1431650487 673973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the southerners actually _do_ pronounce it that way hm
< 1431650551 80919 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the lyrics are in german 
< 1431650564 420617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that the eu anthem is usually sung rather than played, unless you're listening to the whole beethoven symphony...
< 1431650572 920589 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It officially has no lyrics.
< 1431650600 505877 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ode an die Freude, as an independent work, typically doesn't have lyrics...
< 1431650639 819665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls an old norwegian children's tv series in which part of the plot was that the characters ended up having to sing it in norwegian because they were too bad at german.

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< 1431650705 772818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's really rather weird given that the lyrics are a famous poem...
< 1431650745 946236 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :～Freude schoener Goetterfunken tochter aus Elysium!
< 1431650760 688366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Tochter
< 1431650803 875115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day i might actually manage to learn the whole of it.
< 1431650837 842782 :ORin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they didn't want to use lyrics because of linguistic neutrality or some such nonsense
< 1431650856 645825 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: that version has a disturbing lack of diæreses.
< 1431650934 268758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: sounds plausible actually
< 1431651005 983134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eu has too damn many languages to cycle through all of them, anyway
< 1431651038 903046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no one would be able to sing the czech part hth htt
< 1431651047 253250 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a cyclical European Languages Quine.
< 1431651065 955121 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the Czech part has no ř, everything's fine.
< 1431651107 967379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: strč prst skrz krk hth
< 1431651172 395994 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is good up until the hth hth
< 1431651192 454187 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, I know it's not Czech. still tried to pronounce it as a word.)
< 1431651206 316768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you know the r needs to be rolled right?
< 1431651265 666245 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah [CENSORED].
< 1431651284 351837 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. there goes my poor attempt at Czech.
< 1431651322 354818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s ok you're not alone
< 1431651506 786140 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/s/6egsfotxtd14txt/czechth.ogg?dl=0
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< 1431655956 657090 :teakey_!~teakey@23.27.206.118 NICK :solid_whiskey
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< 1431662171 298017 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1431662266 950284 :notfowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-lmqawnfprqloefmt NICK :fowl
< 1431665408 44253 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431665561 317721 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D<- what does this show as?
< 1431665582 849705 :fowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-lmqawnfprqloefmt PRIVMSG #esoteric :: - D < -
< 1431665684 894309 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode :P
< 1431665685 497842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+003A COLON] [U+0050 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P]
< 1431665697 585236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🎲💧
< 1431665698 429640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F3B2 GAME DIE \ UTF-8: f0 9f 8e b2  UTF-16BE: d83cdfb2  Decimal: 🎲 \ 🎲 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \  \ U+1F4A7 DROPLET \ UTF-8: f0 9f 92 a7  UTF-16BE: d83ddca7  Decimal: 💧 \ 💧 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
< 1431665737 915338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS EMOJIC 8BALL
< 1431665889 499043 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAA this damn beep speaker beeps everyitme I press a wrong buttion
< 1431665895 990074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i sense that bang has had enough cake for a while
< 1431665921 33442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: fiendish
< 1431665940 725086 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the beep speaker work anyway can I disable the driver for it?
< 1431665942 791807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good afternørjan
< 1431665951 865167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shamorning
< 1431665959 278437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it true that "ørjan" has emphasis on both syllables
< 1431665962 127933 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rmmod or some crap?
< 1431665977 162201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo play bureaucracy hth
< 1431665991 465123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a great game because every time you type a command it doesn't understand, your blood pressure goes up
< 1431665996 414900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it goes up too much you die
< 1431666034 752753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it has a pitch accent that may sound that way, although the stress is still on the first.
< 1431666045 936540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1431666051 114590 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! rmmod pcspkr work like a charm
< 1431666154 967335 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although maybe disabling the dirver for it is a little too extreme a solution.)
< 1431666278 177800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e oooh dreen
< 1431666278 298373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1431666648 878325 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm there doesn't seem to be any better way (which would alow only some programs to beep).
< 1431666791 684473 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either it's beeping on, or beepin off
< 1431666824 628308 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the beep
< 1431666955 328840 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1431667006 96530 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PART :#esoteric
< 1431667413 891134 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431667458 224025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e see http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140618 hth
< 1431667458 261484 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1431668634 194196 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1431671417 643702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e This makes me wonder if this one was actually wrong, quoting orders, or had a much longer perspective http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20121029
< 1431671417 644615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1431679407 455748 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: good morning.
< 1431679407 976769 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: once again, the commission, which is the separation of powers, to defend himself, to ensure that our rights, which the high level meetings with the ambassadors of southern african countries in reducing sexually-transmitted diseases, affect poor countries much more than just the quantity of employment.
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< 1431680575 550126 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball
< 1431680575 602989 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
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< 1431682040 495218 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91-rdmsoft [XULRunner 32.0.3/20140923175406]
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< 1431684389 801972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No emoji there.
< 1431684811 696476 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1431684815 489523 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need emoji8ball
< 1431684856 381680 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.153.201 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431685465 434824 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431686108 778509 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda as a Racket #lang https://github.com/jkominek/unlambda
< 1431686245 638758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that hash doing there...
< 1431686294 627595 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the hashtag symbol?
< 1431686308 319574 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only see a number sign
< 1431686576 670875 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I just hate seeing those things on IRC.
< 1431686619 984427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or anywhere else for that matter, including twitter)
< 1431686623 959492 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC should support a mode where any message with a channel name in it is sent to that channel
< 1431686634 868955 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1431686637 977472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1431686805 747205 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles Jafet

< 1431686893 351281 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I believe #lang is racket syntax to set the language mode. (If I'm wrong, hopefully someone in #lang will point that out.)
< 1431687002 326930 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#I #still #believe #it's #a #very #bad #idea #hashtaghash
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< 1431687269 54519 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Well at least that explains the Dreen lurking below the train monks' fortress.
< 1431687269 55658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1431687298 48677 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Or rather, it makes it less random.
< 1431687298 169138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1431687526 992305 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1431687527 522275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 151000Z 24004KT 30SM OVC250 08/01 A3027 RMK CI8 CONTRAILS SLP252
< 1431687531 165196 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1431687531 838513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 151050Z 30007KT 260V340 9999 SCT050 08/M02 Q1016 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 30010KT
< 1431687566 218781 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to view everything after a # as a comment until the end of line.
< 1431689191 278152 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SUBDUCTIVE CHICKEN
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< 1431693474 694393 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What is your plan for handling refugees?
< 1431693475 455176 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: mr president, the commission wishes to foster rural development by supporting traditional cultivation and production methods. research shows that older people can also remain in the sector would be as absurd as its opposite: the autarkic thinking which would abolish all free trade? does not the european parliament has committed itself to contributing to the overall political objective, however desirable it might be hel
< 1431693517 484094 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can you summarize that?
< 1431693517 604708 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: mr president, i too have tabled and which has somewhat hindered meps from participating on a broad political debate can be launched on the matter.
< 1431693537 649893 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1431693812 930599 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does HTTP2 have built-in CSRF protections?
< 1431693859 295215 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or browsers could actually do that themselves by using an X- header of some sort
< 1431693901 706190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a "CSRF"?
< 1431693917 96845 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross site request forgery
< 1431693940 855073 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a type of a web-attack
< 1431693991 622001 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. tricking somebody into clicking on a link like uhm... http://example.com/deleteEverything.php
< 1431693997 930808 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which then deletes everything
< 1431694024 769933 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which works because browsers will send the login cookie no matter if you really wanted to click on that or not
< 1431694035 718439 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42925&oldid=42924 5* 0350.207.43.222 5* (-1) 10
< 1431694036 324279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, the javascript stuff. I don't know how all that works.
< 1431694053 400718 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works without javascript as well.
< 1431694060 790451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are variants
< 1431694074 65785 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :see wikipedia
< 1431694074 882978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42926&oldid=42925 5* 0350.207.43.222 5* (-1) 10/* Truth-machine */ Golfed out one further character
< 1431694090 140664 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yeah, but javascript can also send POST requests
< 1431694094 41232 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1431694157 210724 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42927&oldid=42326 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-5) 10
< 1431694271 404288 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for XMLHttpRequests browsers will send an origin header
< 1431694302 255937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42928&oldid=42926 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+30) 10/* Example programs */
< 1431694338 969153 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1431694453 825403 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42929&oldid=42928 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10/* Calculate square of input */ Updated
< 1431694456 102521 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically if I read that draft correctly
< 1431694464 717991 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could rely solely on checking the origin header
< 1431694522 571774 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't an official header yet at IANA?
< 1431694544 611392 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it?
< 1431694620 454174 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1431694666 648151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: doessn't it work like this: all non-pure operations shall use POST method or similar, not the GET method; POST forms or similar javascript on a site could add some value depending on your session cookie and unguessable otherwise in the POST parameters; and POST handlers should check whether that value is valid?
< 1431694692 416507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite sure in the first part, but not about the rest.
< 1431694728 839235 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431694754 998091 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42930&oldid=42929 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10/* Hello, world! */
< 1431694847 694905 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42931&oldid=42930 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-1) 10/* Truth-machine */
< 1431694898 459648 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It's not a hashtag, it's Racket notation.
< 1431694912 30765 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket files start with a #lang declaration that indicates what language it is.
< 1431694943 415037 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#lang racket, for instance, or #lang heresy or #lang unlambda, or whatever.
< 1431694988 392818 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk
< 1431695239 243901 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@180.175.253.108 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1431695459 214695 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's called the "double submit" method
< 1431695475 363923 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a cookie with a secret values and all requests need to include the same value in a hidden field
< 1431695482 713737 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you check if the two values match
< 1431695511 169762 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would require an attacker to guess the cookie value 
< 1431695517 32688 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or somehow obtain it
< 1431695523 936646 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. through XSS, sniffing or whatever means)
< 1431695688 664204 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CalScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42932&oldid=42773 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+2606) 10*Work in progress * Added tables for how the commands work.
< 1431695689 630035 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: ok.
< 1431695788 730931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yes, something like that, but it's only POST requests that need to include it. hmm... I should try this when I experiment with toy web-based stuff.
< 1431695852 249007 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I know the mediawiki API does this exactly: you can query a token which is tied to your login (and maybe your password too), and you have to include that token in all requests that edit a page or do other write operations. 
< 1431695893 976192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can link to details.)
< 1431696115 971530 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that depends on the web-application.
< 1431696145 989903 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing that prohibits a webapp from modifying stuff even if it's a GET request :)
< 1431696546 935758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CalScript14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42933&oldid=42932 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+1349) 10/* Commands */ Added the HEE commands - Tape Manipulation
< 1431696591 744021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: sure, nothing that prohibits it, it's just usually a bad idea
< 1431696603 387355 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily
< 1431696619 318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually.
< 1431696622 899732 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's up to you
< 1431696640 653971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "modify", I mean modify semantically, not just, say, modify the access logs.
< 1431696774 115135 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431696863 718615 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1431697025 454533 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically nothing prevents you from using a GET /mypage/command/modify/whatever/super_secret_has_verification_code/ to modify something
< 1431697056 235022 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's up to your http server what he does with GET requests :)
< 1431697246 970052 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CalScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42934&oldid=42933 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+1513) 10/* Commands */ Added the HOO commands - Stack and Tape Interaction
< 1431697628 659425 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically fungot
< 1431697629 746358 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: mr president, i should therefore like to thank mr gargani, mr swoboda and mr clegg, representatives of a transnational character, such as the czech republic, drawn up by mr caudron: ' it's demagoguery') ( de) mr president, while welcoming mr fnord report concerns the communication on the implementation by the european development funds in the process. a second important point is being taken in by referenda year upon ye
< 1431697637 721041 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fnord
< 1431697637 810955 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found.
< 1431697640 616201 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1431697826 655729 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CalScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42935&oldid=42934 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+3236) 10Added a list of all commands
< 1431697850 485981 :KnightArm0!~quassel@200.109.209.88 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1431700272 506121 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1431701381 209650 :spatterworthy!187bcd2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.123.205.45 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1431701669 554251 :KnightArm0!~quassel@200.109.209.88 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1431702004 732755 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431702318 826879 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431704576 746687 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1431704603 381469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431704861 18256 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431705340 828676 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1431707419 674996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timeline of esoteric programming includes even dates in the future and stuff outside of time.
< 1431707473 510389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This file http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.trope says that many of the tropes are straight but I am not so sure that is quite correct therefore let's fix it please
< 1431708386 801506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I download page 549 and 550 of Penrose's "Road to Reality" book?
< 1431709182 660629 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kvgdmwzshunrpyfn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1431709528 623326 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1431710079 467497 :Froo!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
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< 1431711056 942052 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1431711123 549714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How difficult do you think it is to make a parser that lies that it doesn't know some particular construction of the language it parses? For example, imagine a C parser that claims not to support trigraphs, so if you open a function body with ??< it gives an error,
< 1431711296 522697 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it actually knows that that trigraph means { and continues parsing as if you gave { and gives correct error messages for inside the loop body; however, if you forget to close that loop body, it will disguise that knowledge and won't say "unmatched } for the { at line 18" or "unmatched ??> for the ??< at line 18" to pretend it didn't recognize the ??<
< 1431711316 440877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1431711642 206650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How will it then know what error messages to display in that case instead?
< 1431711681 408041 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that's why it's difficult, and I'm not sure it's possible (at least in some cases)
< 1431711707 300736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sometimes it has to backtrack and reparse stuff as if it didn't recognize ??< at all
< 1431711718 40216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the messages would give away too much otherwise
< 1431712199 840872 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431712220 542960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could remember and then "implicitly close the loop" before further parsing and displaying error messages?
< 1431712258 200260 :Froox!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431712373 99453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could steal ed's error message
< 1431712388 544596 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty good at not giving away information
< 1431712479 178869 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1431712890 262966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many parsers are based on not backtracking
< 1431713477 34733 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431713643 710919 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1431713650 158626 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my, are we actually designing a programming language
< 1431713965 408307 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, give me 8 random symbols *ducks*
< 1431714196 818844 :hilquias`!~user@187.58.102.170 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1431714364 444758 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` tr -cd '[:print:]'  oerjan: i've gotten to the metacircular evaluation chapter? | The portmannel | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/
< 1431731978 139195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1431732009 295310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaften
< 1431732018 234590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1431732082 339979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the helproblem?
< 1431732324 798567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an abbreviation for "afternoon" or something
< 1431732329 597021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shachaf often"?
< 1431732331 385780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows
< 1431732351 616703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a norwegian word for evening hth
< 1431732502 966280 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1431732601 145020 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ftvwkolyowrydrwh QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1431732734 443295 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ljtfjyjlkptuxyrc JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431732772 296070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly, tdh
< 1431733160 701136 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is far more sleepy feeling than is reasonable.

< 1431733200 581621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests if pikhq is actually asleep already

< 1431733215 375219 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not.

< 1431733227 674933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how pikhq can be sure

< 1431733232 457773 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cannot

< 1431733514 204365 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kwjkqoxcpglnhwwn JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431733738 27244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I tend to view everything after a <-- hm?
< 1431733771 154630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask mroman_  I tend to view everything after a <-- hm?
< 1431733771 274949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1431733935 803997 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this kinder egg toy is the best I've gotten in years
< 1431733967 896582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Boyer-Moore" is the name of both a string search algorithm and a theorem prover?
< 1431733970 901945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh
< 1431733972 18197 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a kikass tiny motorcycle with a gyroscope so when it's going fast it syas balanced
< 1431734089 514098 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only find the string search algorithm
< 1431734377 900034 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYB
< 1431734377 994113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYB 152300Z 16007KT 15SM OVC040 12/08 A3003 RMK SC8 SLP178
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< 1431734678 864747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Then can I think of the non-zero rationals as an infinite-dimensional module over the integers <-- yep (modulo the "positive")
< 1431734727 893720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb  Then can I think of the non-zero rationals as an infinite-dimensional module over the integers <-- yep (modulo the "positive")
< 1431734728 14302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1431734817 690370 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1431734998 308120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb  are you being that guy who tries to get 100% <-- don't mind him, i used to be that guy hth
< 1431734998 309206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1431735208 641838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, defect strategist!
< 1431735225 518052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1431735334 584954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still remembers the functional analysis exam where he possibly caused another person to fail by shifting the grades

< 1431735400 509818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, by preventing them shifting the grades enough for her to pass
< 1431735453 601314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a very bimodal grade curve.  me, and the rest.
< 1431735539 210357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember exactly what the grades were any more, though
< 1431735633 894851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: any way that's the only thing i've ever done that i could possibly admit to falling under "defect strategy".  and it was entirely unintentional, i just didn't notice like the rest that the exam was bloody hard...
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< 1431736481 560927 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls ~/df
< 1431736492 466219 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what am i doing
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< 1431737362 482137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles her name, looks like she's been teaching math teachers and is now doing a doctorate

< 1431738160 696764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is example picture of how you might arrange in GUI the function of FM synthesis of AmigaMML in case of wanting to try different parameter and test it http://zzo38computer.org/img_17/fmsynthedit.png (the program that is actually written in the picture isn't so useful though since the "Play" function doesn't work, and it cannot load or save at all).
< 1431740101 413533 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42938&oldid=42937 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+67) 10
< 1431740169 898339 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42939&oldid=42938 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+17) 10/* Commands */
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< 1431740952 849842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I hack Pokemon Pinball so that if I do not win at any bonus stage then it is require to start over the first bonus stage next time instead of you can try the same one again?
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< 1431741446 153442 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42940&oldid=42939 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+54) 10/* A Java Interpreter */
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< 1431742768 746420 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to briefly disconnect from IRC soonish.
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< 1431742897 175317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
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< 1431743114 120433 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like youv've joined before your other connection timed out
< 1431744390 382257 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431744792 545827 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION screeches

< 1431744904 597845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up Decim's screetch in a birdwatch handbook

< 1431744922 404986 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How're you oerjan
< 1431744951 951039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the rare Decimus Desparatus
< 1431744992 110312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Desperatus
< 1431745095 971056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still following the current slow downward trend hth
< 1431745138 129243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, somehow reading a paintball furry comic
< 1431745148 430104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the whiteboard)
< 1431745190 943949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afaict it started out only slightly furry but kept escalating because the author cannot draw human faces)
< 1431745351 688416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(somehow = because phil foglio blogged about it, fwiw)
< 1431745412 175640 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how is this thing installing ANYTHING
< 1431745423 979349 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the thing I booted into was just to allow it to... boot into a thingy
< 1431745429 240472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: magic hth
< 1431745435 569697 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's also installing it without even looking at the other file I downloaded
< 1431745466 918937 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there a 10 minute countdown to restart
< 1431745550 648585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also there are traces of mad science which i'm hoping will pick up)
< 1431745929 4722 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UI is giving me a 404. Which is shocking because it means that it both exists and is not working.
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< 1431748527 25921 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bootloader exists to boot into the sockloader
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< 1431759984 633941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it did http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb183.html
< 1431760021 298782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pick up)
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< 1431763045 344006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 53 millirems per day a large amount?
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< 1431763407 114198 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning
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< 1431763911 480983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: seems to be hth
< 1431764035 425355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, something like 1/3 to 1/6 of the average annual dose from natural sources, but per day.
< 1431764058 689849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I thought it too from looking in Wikipedia but don't know a lot about this kind of stuff.
< 1431764088 585977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe question need to be rewritten a bit:   Is 53 millirems per day a large amount for a raccoon?
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< 1431764218 962334 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not *extremely* high. Taking numbers from Canada, the annual dose limit for nuclear energy workers is 50mSv/year, so they could work there for 94 days a year (possibly the whole year if a day is 24 hours but they only work for 8 hours a day)...
< 1431764330 474435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says they don't count all of the 24 hours in a day when calculating these radiations limits
< 1431764350 844078 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't say that exactly.
< 1431764383 359592 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says that there is such a convention, using 8h = 1day. So one needs to check whether it was used.
< 1431764406 177437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to check if it was used?
< 1431764422 808058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes they might not always tell you if it is or not?
< 1431764425 241298 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :How should I know. I don't even know where you got that number from.
< 1431764453 121143 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if a day is 24 hours" was alluding to that convention.
< 1431764504 834703 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@62-205-68-6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1431764520 656722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the link oerjan posted and then I put cast; it says there they emit 53 millirems per day, so, I try to learn how it mean by Wikipedia
< 1431764935 532749 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'll probably regret asking this but what do you mean by "put cast"?
< 1431764960 636926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pushed the link for cast
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< 1431764994 418010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's what it says.
< 1431765163 799901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often will you try to invent one thing but you actually invented something else instead? I think in the past many people have done similar things a bit too
< 1431765199 786732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that emitting radiation is a rather different matter from receiving it from external sources (since Sv is really about radiation that (typically) affects a large volume homogeneously). So I'm not sure what that even means.
< 1431765216 538109 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I click or follow links. I don't put them; the web site author did that.
< 1431765250 833110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant pushed; I made a mistake
< 1431765452 87069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many different ways have people tried to explain use of monads in Haskell programming?
< 1431765497 490714 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many
< 1431765506 802481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me that it might help to explain in terms of list comprehensions, especially if you use other programming languages with list comprehensions too
< 1431765528 766381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many. enough to prompt this great meta-tutorial https://byorgey.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/abstraction-intuition-and-the-monad-tutorial-fallacy/
< 1431765551 306168 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and probably others; is there any meta-meta-monad-tutorial?)
< 1431765582 774495 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've read that earlier versions of Haskell had Monad comprehensions.
< 1431765634 217998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think GHC probably still does? Nevertheless it isn't really what I was trying to point out.
< 1431765724 922096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant learning by list comprehensions in general whether in Haskell or other programming languages; you can easily see join/fmap/return operation on a list structure and then see how bind is related to such, and then see how such operation can be made for other kind of monads too such as IO monad.
< 1431765784 881421 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, that still exists as a GHC extension
< 1431765788 420440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In my view the real problem is that a Monad by itself accomplishes nothing. This can be proved by considering the type  Vanish a = Gone  which has a law-abiding monad instance, but is useless. So rather than explaining monads, you *have* to exhibit useful examples and extract some common structure.)
< 1431765800 934567 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I believe it was removed from the language proper in Haskell 1.4 or so
< 1431765831 168963 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: s/still//
< 1431765869 465428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were gone, then added back: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/4370
< 1431765878 310418 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1431765925 576129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it isn't so useful but still it is a monad; I called it data Finalize instead of Vanish due to mathematical reasons but that still it work. But that's why I suggested examples by list comprehensions it explain by the useful examples.
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< 1431769066 989861 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
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< 1431773724 304264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh christ i hate algebra modules
< 1431773760 113857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :why they can never just assume you know what a group is after 3 years of a maths degree is beyond me
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< 1431776148 612959 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're grizzled old lecturers, perhaps they do know better.
< 1431776180 958147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :>implying the average lecturer knows what they're doing
< 1431776255 66286 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, your maths lecturers must really suck
< 1431776271 622171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had some spectacularly bad ones
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< 1431776335 126131 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My maths ones have mostly been alright
< 1431776339 744900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the unlikely event that you ever encounter this guy trying to teach, run and don't stop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Reid
< 1431776347 125205 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer science ones have been more of a mixed bag
< 1431776410 173379 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including one Doctor Bors who lives up to his name
< 1431776438 374347 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the artificial intelligence module was more the fault of the module than the lecturers, though
< 1431776475 188495 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the kind of module where we had to write the exam answers in 4 different booklets because they were going to be marked by 4 different people
< 1431776539 375342 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had one particularily maths lecturer.  I attended the first two or three lectures, but couldn't really hear what the lecturer said, which kinda defeats the point of giving a lecture
< 1431776546 469370 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The classic grammar school of AI.
< 1431776550 8988 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularily bad*
< 1431776579 809588 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That module had like no focus at all...
< 1431776595 820277 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lecturers set the module content...
< 1431776627 478759 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, they don't have complete control over it, though
< 1431776636 285184 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our mandatory AI course was neat.  We got to learn about HMMs and predict and identify birds in a duck hunt-inspired game
< 1431776650 396624 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, man, that sounds so much better than ours
< 1431776695 308794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an algorithmic graph theory module last year where it definitely seemed like the 3 lecturers were each teaching their own distinct third of a module
< 1431776729 840845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the one where i spent half the exam with the invigilator going back and forth between them and me because they'd fucked up one of the questions
< 1431776758 965177 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun.
< 1431776812 367136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they put up a correction in the last 30 minutes of a 3 hour exam and just carried on like it was nothing
< 1431776993 615346 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
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< 1431781744 769619 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42941&oldid=42940 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+847) 10
< 1431781814 523471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42942&oldid=42941 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */
< 1431781849 683775 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42943&oldid=42942 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10/* A Java Interpreter */
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< 1431782977 15649 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42944&oldid=42943 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+77) 10/* Example programs */
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< 1431783158 803242 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't assume you know anything, becuase (in the mind of the lecturer) "Those other morons won't ave taught it to them proper!"
< 1431783166 954877 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42946&oldid=42945 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10/* Print 1 if input is "heads", -1 if input is "tails" (16 bytes) */
< 1431783234 865267 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1431783235 247071 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `metar' failed with: connect: does not exist (Connection refused)
< 1431783237 53802 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been taught what a 2-complement integer is, at least 4 times
< 1431783246 949547 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
< 1431783303 348914 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42947&oldid=42946 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+4) 10
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< 1431783605 751259 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily my father mainly teaches low level courses, like introductory calculus
< 1431783642 99022 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah who am i kidding, he has to go over how to add and multiply fractions pretty much every year
< 1431783650 188652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42948&oldid=42947 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+176) 10
< 1431783763 597163 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in his case then, "those other morons" are our high school system and they never do teach much right
< 1431783839 466893 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellorin. I concur with the high school moroninessitude this side of the border.
< 1431783940 417803 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In english class I studied Romeo and Juliet 3 years in a row
< 1431783950 490306 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :be back in a few...
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< 1431784302 609006 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07APLBAONWSJAS14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42949 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+1283) 10Added language APLBAONWSJAS. Entire page finished, save for potential minor mistakes in spelling or wikification.
< 1431784338 962853 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Vriskanon14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42950&oldid=42791 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+19) 10/* Joke Languages */ Added APLBAONWSJAS
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< 1431784417 213055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42951&oldid=42656 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+71) 10/* General languages */ Added APLBAONWSJAS
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< 1431785339 602935 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: and what did you learn from studying it?
< 1431785363 817710 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-laut
< 1431785363 818809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 14h 19m 53s ago:  I tend to view everything after a <-- hm?
< 1431785383 650551 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Invalid HTML Tag!
< 1431785383 651535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1431785457 437056 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :APLBAONWSJAS??
< 1431785461 883829 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even begins with APL.
< 1431786744 666033 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I learned that italian family feuds were just as messed up in the 16th century
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< 1431788226 136234 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: int-hello. what are you doing to that poor bot...
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< 1431788539 22258 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1431788546 232284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 161400Z 07006KT 30SM FEW060 OVC081 15/05 A3013 RMK SC1AC7 SLP205
< 1431788549 765704 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh :D
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< 1431790744 303083 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nothing.
< 1431790752 796688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1431790753 279615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 161520Z 03004KT 320V120 9999 FEW045 SCT075 21/12 Q1022 NOSIG
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< 1431793767 678096 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results should-lambdabot-be-more-polite
< 1431793767 798836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for should-lambdabot-be-more-polite (Open): maybe=4, no=5, yes=3
< 1431793772 972496 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not.
< 1431793846 176180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote should-lambdabot-be-more-polite yes
< 1431793846 437503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "yes"
< 1431794128 574633 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote should-lambdabot-be-more-polite maybe
< 1431794128 695205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "maybe"
< 1431794144 332392 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yow
< 1431794144 454443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KAISER ROLL?!  What good is a Kaiser Roll without a little COLE SLAW
< 1431794144 456274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the SIDE?
< 1431794145 436928 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you /can/ vote privately you know :P
< 1431794164 241305 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really about @yow
< 1431794201 673088 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src foo
< 1431794201 674092 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. It can only be attributed to human error.
< 1431794211 233174 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a mild one
< 1431794289 57677 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@heal
< 1431794289 143346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a Zh function in Haskell
< 1431794396 870080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Why vote privately when I can vote publicly?
< 1431794514 883269 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arr
< 1431794515 26402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avast!
< 1431794625 462440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has a lot of the piratish things, arrays, arrows, but does it have a parrot? (And why haven't I spotted the "arr" in "parrot" before...)
< 1431794812 464431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I follow.
< 1431794838 919078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this have anything to do with Haskell in particular, or are you just saying that "parrot" has "arr" in it?
< 1431794854 943649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you talking about the Parrot VM?
< 1431794879 367214 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about words containing 'arr'.
< 1431794914 979162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"carrot" also has "arr" in it, as do "embarrassed", "sparrow", and "warrior"
< 1431794963 854057 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrow
< 1431794988 706752 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheelbarrow
< 1431794990 801148 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :carrion, warren, barren, marrow...
< 1431795003 391017 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and narrow)
< 1431795026 524857 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :barrel
< 1431795068 55273 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Meat barrel (chestnut) <#1>)
< 1431795128 439416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quarrel is another nice one. (goes well with marriage)
< 1431795188 126534 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: any arr-inspiration?
< 1431795189 455284 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: mr president, commissioner, half a million people are heading for a difficult winter. i have little faith in the dogmas of the stability pact, stipulates a framework which allows latitude for weighing up interests, from which the commissioner has dealt to some extent by the difficulties women face unfortunately persist. women are also human limits. at that time too, since that is what she means. that is why it is essenti
< 1431795324 985885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1431795324 986947 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1431795340 913321 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speeches
< 1431795340 914281 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg)
< 1431795352 4746 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you don't say
< 1431795352 779799 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: this strange law is not to say that all true men do care; such as union appeals fnord true union men to yield to conviction, that it is parliamentary and decorous to urge the danger arising from popular discontent as an argument for severity; but that it was the first. we have a right to a fair and honourable sample of the spirit of the old banner is flying, by that banner will i at least be found.
< 1431795436 932705 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( let's all drink to that ... )
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< 1431795839 558718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know @arr and @yarr are different commands?
< 1431795841 967796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably did.
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< 1431797681 692496 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I did not.
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< 1431799455 547223 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@blarr
< 1431799455 649856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: yarr arr
< 1431799462 474995 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arr
< 1431799462 476217 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoy mateys
< 1431799466 117683 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1431799466 118566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keel haul ya fer that!
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< 1431802172 503013 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"github no longer supports old versions of firefox
< 1431802181 740772 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IM NOT USING FIREFOX
< 1431802237 427211 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ywywgjsajirdpuhx QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1431802349 182162 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it was just btw and fyi.
< 1431802371 821780 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, what User-Agent header does your browser send?)
< 1431802445 843740 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19
< 1431802525 637606 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, close enough.
< 1431802540 898090 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(version 22 is old?!)
< 1431802614 236945 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Firefox 22 was released on June 25, 2013" ...
< 1431802752 897831 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought seamonkey was like a fork of firefox. apparently that's not exactly how it works
< 1431802837 787390 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess your seamonkey is old, too.
< 1431802968 554482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "old".
< 1431803498 901218 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... a lot of sites are saying i have an old version of firefox... all of them work perfectly fine though
< 1431803780 18557 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, why am I getting targeted advertisements that say "how to clear your criminal record?!"
< 1431803878 592404 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOGLE, I DO NOT HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD
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< 1431804946 487355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, you sound very forceful about this
< 1431804951 637414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like a criminal would
< 1431804971 149865 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431804978 792625 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: Why are you using an outdated version of Firefox?
< 1431805006 810038 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1431805311 54782 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is what puppy linux precise comes with
< 1431805434 208338 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: Convince me to run Puppy.
< 1431805495 974991 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1431805501 823184 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cute, makes economical use of your computer's resources, and doesn't come with useless crap
< 1431805667 359793 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can run directly off of a 2GB sd card (which is how I am using it). It boots up in less than 5 seconds
< 1431805691 632259 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently had a 1.9s boot on this Arch installation.
< 1431805706 859987 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arch isn't cute
< 1431805714 666893 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 'ILoveCandy' >> /etc/pacman.conf
< 1431805716 904024 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullshit.
< 1431805775 5009 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn. you've got me there
< 1431805778 50730 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^
< 1431805791 756531 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kidding aside, Arch is as cute as you're willing to make it, but I figure you know that.
< 1431805800 510880 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah
< 1431805851 368421 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I'm using puppy because my backup laptop has fried, so this is the backup's backup
< 1431806030 10897 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dell Latitude D620 biatches! Intel Centrino Duo! 
< 1431806064 406007 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Designed for Windows XP, but it's Windows Vista(TM) Capable!
< 1431806104 162107 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I looked at Puppy, I was confused about which version to use
< 1431806138 521862 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It basically depends which oter distro's packeges you want
< 1431806171 428080 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precise puppy uses the packeages from Ubuntu Precise Panda i think
< 1431806235 683672 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you're familiar with the package names from ubuntu it is easier
< 1431806374 392062 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry that's s/Panda/Pangolin/
< 1431806392 485867 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Panda would have been better
< 1431806696 644467 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n March 2006, Dell introduced the D620 (and the D820), its first business-oriented notebook with a dual core processor available.
< 1431806937 610464 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is also the laptop the burn scar on my right hand is from
< 1431806963 453041 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so based
< 1431806988 47839 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikh
< 1431807007 573773 :shikh!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1431807064 170566 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :rhyfel
< 1431807076 275402 :rhyfel!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :asochis
< 1431807081 247229 :asochis!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :hvidie
< 1431807085 255883 :hvidie!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1431807227 352263 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric coteries.
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< 1431808948 264471 :wellweller!~user@p5B2DEDC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART #esoteric :"ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"
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< 1431810442 678497 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 1.2-rc1"
< 1431812404 245781 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I can type defined to deifned which autocorrects to deified
< 1431812435 52068 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "It is deified to be equal in the spec"
< 1431812858 462504 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1431813262 728279 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does busybox's mount support offset?
< 1431813348 90013 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1431813579 134386 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. the docs don't have it, but they say that some of the options are filesystem specific
< 1431813629 40564 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: what kind of offset? loop device offset, as in losetup -o for Linux and whatever it is called in BSD?
< 1431813723 547111 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what loop device offset means although I am using a loop device. I mean starting at a specific position if I have a file with multiple partitions
< 1431813754 719753 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Yeah it doesn't appear to support iy
< 1431813819 931748 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, assuming the file isnt ginormous, just split the partition you want into a separate file 
< 1431813949 601905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: loop device offset means that if you create a loop device with offset p, then when you read or write from the loop device at position q, that decide will read the underlying file at position p+q automatically. you can't read the device at a negative file position, so this excludes the beginning of the file, and (in new enough linuxes) you can also give a size limit.
< 1431813969 17865 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole thing exists in BSDs too, just everything is called differently and controlled with programs of different names.
< 1431814000 363506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mount program may be able to handle some of this automatically, but you can always use losetup explicitly. I don't know how much, and don't know what busybox can do, you'll have to read the manual or something.
< 1431814012 195294 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
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< 1431816335 174342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: whoapumpkin
< 1431816357 19073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sticking around in CT land?
< 1431816440 886344 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving to Richmond, VA, but will probably keep coming up here periodically
< 1431817112 507666 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431817484 75033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's in Richmond, VA?
< 1431817510 459387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo consider Richmond, CA
< 1431817547 3057 :Patashu_!Verdonna_@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :patashu
< 1431817549 374248 :patashu!Verdonna_@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu
< 1431817585 798428 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richmond is also a place in Canada
< 1431817609 364568 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is ambiguous
< 1431817618 665787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo consider Ontario, CA
< 1431817664 792367 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what.
< 1431817672 579450 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaa
< 1431817892 879045 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't CaLiforina be abbreviated CL? like NeVada NV 
< 1431817922 212630 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rina/rnia/
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< 1431818067 302217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1431818067 422333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_ said 9h 4m 44s ago: Invalid HTML Tag!
< 1431818099 156165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1431818114 822177 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? california
< 1431818133 499952 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :California is pronounced "Caliphate-ornery-I-A"
< 1431818188 226963 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kallyphornja
< 1431818265 158920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilyfornihi
< 1431818619 452806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is pleased that his linking to a webcomic just before he left led to a discussion about radiation exposure

< 1431818811 443494 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tromsørjanello!
< 1431819017 963736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good attempt although for maximal analogy i think you should have chosen somewhere in sweden
< 1431819100 874624 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's considered the California of Sweden?
< 1431819115 188381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting question.
< 1431819167 793650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no real idea
< 1431819236 241976 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most populous län in Sweden is Stockholm. but what are their specific culture and consumption of avocadoes?
< 1431819244 986329 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my girlfriend's residency :)
< 1431819260 458926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stockholm would be the washington d.c. of sweden, surely
< 1431819277 313520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone else watching azeem's flute recital
< 1431819315 481689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking göteborg is on the right side of the country but no idea if the climate is particularly dry
< 1431819368 27233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or malmö
< 1431819369 326351 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking perhaps Västra Götaland. lots of people, somewhat West and South...
< 1431819375 610021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Ah, right, I think you mentioned.
< 1431819450 563164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to fix a "Bad DLL calling convention" error?
< 1431819473 927428 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no place in Sweden seems particularly dry...
< 1431819483 518651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hm
< 1431819494 646961 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm indeed.
< 1431819639 318829 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hellolsner. could you please swedishly help us about a californian question twh?
< 1431819877 479191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried changing the function definition in the C code to have _stdcall at front but now it says the entry point is not found
< 1431819902 693942 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. what are you trying to do?
< 1431819928 399102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now it says it is called "Synthesize@8" for some reason, I will try that
< 1431819939 728512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I am trying to call a C code from a Visual Basic code
< 1431819981 870735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I got that to work now
< 1431820016 204443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding @8 to the end of the function name worked, but now I got a MCI error
< 1431820151 616984 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1431820185 865154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "The MCI device you are using does not support the specified command."
< 1431820252 433627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now it works
< 1431820317 662194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : But maybe question need to be rewritten a bit:   Is 53 millirems per day a large amount for a raccoon? <-- i suspect it is rather a large amount for the raccoon to be _radiating_.
< 1431820402 524276 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the issue with google not working on text-browsers was only temporary, probably caused by one of their game-events
< 1431820596 181159 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: radiating raccoons?
< 1431820596 488895 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: my great competitor among the reporters was boggs, of the duke of bedford would have it, from domestic misgovernment or from foreign hostility. the danger of the states-general was the signal for the fnord
< 1431820808 919876 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boggs is an unfortunate name to have
< 1431820893 822081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e  [...] This can be proved by considering the type  Vanish a = Gone  which has a law-abiding monad instance, but is useless. [...] <-- it's not too hard to show that if some (m t) has at least two values then  return must be injective, so the Identity monad embeds.
< 1431820893 823119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1431820913 57382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://www.the-whiteboard.com/cast/
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< 1431822578 734866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : So "It is deified to be equal in the spec" <-- sounds like a good starting point for a religion there
< 1431822782 589454 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any standards for religions? ISO? RFC?
< 1431822826 282138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably one in the mahabharata somewhere
< 1431822833 723246 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's an ANSI standard religion.
< 1431822868 129030 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably consider the Anglican Church the BS standard religion though.
< 1431822904 849389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose an ANSI standard religion would be unconstitutional
< 1431822976 844589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, only 2 years until norway separates church and state hth
< 1431823090 294247 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANSI is not associated with the US government.
< 1431823107 324423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1431823227 499780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect ANSI requires a standard religion
< 1431823245 487142 :notfowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qtifcxlzuxfsvscq JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431823304 736786 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the Catechism is sort of the spec for Catholicism
< 1431823324 401121 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, apparently "In God We Trust" is "ceremonial deism" which is somehow "constitutional", so.
< 1431823333 725258 :notfowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-qtifcxlzuxfsvscq NICK :fowl
< 1431823358 500739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fowlarization keeps reversing
< 1431823380 977427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1431823385 267276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fowlarity
< 1431823385 649723 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1431823389 490989 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1431823393 197497 :hypotrochoid!~phi@fractal.pw QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1431823481 396561 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of convenient that the Catholic church keeps a public document of what precisely they believe. 
< 1431823562 163592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does help, so that people can understand it.
< 1431823621 958453 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431823778 814627 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: Not fond of folks like the Quakers then?
< 1431824145 33918 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say that. But I generally like people to properly define what they think
< 1431824180 464037 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stand it when people like politicians talk out both sides their mouth
< 1431824210 715984 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42952&oldid=42948 5* 0372.74.32.143 5* (+283) 10
< 1431824290 470239 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I definitely like that the Catholics have a very firm definition of their ideology
< 1431824324 985064 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Least the Quakers are likely to very clearly tell you what they believe.
< 1431824346 291991 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :("honesty about beliefs" is, like, their only bit of hard and fast dogma)
< 1431824389 504163 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Cool.
< 1431824433 226432 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main problem is, they don't really, y'know, believe in firmly defined fixed ideology. :)
< 1431824453 548390 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a Quaker, just found their whole thing a bit interesting)
< 1431824626 869042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't need to as long as it is specified that they don't need to, as far as I am concerned. Nevertheless ideas should be made available so that you can figure out what you do believe or if you don't agree or whatever.
< 1431824673 865691 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. Stuff like the Church of Scientology is just sickening.
< 1431824796 47086 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think they have more than one problem
< 1431824817 485335 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1431824830 988687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1431825544 524491 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, do you know stuff about MIDI file format?
< 1431825557 548858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I know a few stuff
< 1431825576 732801 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you happen to know if there is any obvious sequence of bytes that would likely appear at the end of any MIDI?
< 1431825612 876939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so?
< 1431825620 372155 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, thank you
< 1431825652 334928 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a ".rsc" file which contains a bunch of files including MIDI files. I'm not sure how the .rsc file format works, but the files it contains seem to be in there plain.
< 1431825807 434372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can figure out the size by the heading
< 1431825876 824131 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?MThd
< 1431825876 825115 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1431825889 833747 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MThd occurs at teh start of a midi
< 1431825899 850123 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ccarh.org/courses/253/handout/smf/
< 1431825901 33474 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, as in the MIDI file itself contains its own size?
< 1431825958 971334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1431825996 917762 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
< 1431826000 420203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can look up number of tracks in the MThd block and then each track tell you the total data size.
< 1431826055 966343 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is only one track weird or normal
< 1431826073 982175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is normal to have only one track
< 1431826087 577227 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probly normal
< 1431826098 781488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even with only one track you can have up to sixteen channels
< 1431826260 723486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the track also ends with FF 2F 00 but it isn't guaranteed to not occur elsewhere in the file, due to running status
< 1431826435 962760 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like I did things correctly :)
< 1431826447 305315 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the ending was corrupt, would I notice at any point before the end?
< 1431826554 46632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you find the event FF 2F 00 before the end (but only if it is in a place where an event belongs) then I would suppose it is wrong
< 1431826588 524525 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I copy/pasted from a hex editor based on my understanding of the length, and just looked at what I copy pasted and it did end with FF 2F 00
< 1431826610 777261 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if an extractor that only extracted midis would be useful or useless
< 1431826643 314372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have written one for the DOS game Hocus Pocus, so probably it might be useful to some people
< 1431826749 568362 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone has written a more thorough extractor, but as far as I know it's not open source and it's only available from shady sites
< 1431827265 145460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :midevil extractor
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< 1431828864 655539 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: UNSOUND CHICKEN
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< 1431832508 132259 :orin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1431832728 613107 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1431832979 24930 :root!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net NICK :Guest99219
< 1431833009 792076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that you or[ei]n
< 1431833022 167525 :Guest99219!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net NICK :or[ei]n
< 1431833026 29874 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1431833037 834396 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid puppy linux
< 1431833074 895064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi --nick hth
< 1431833087 226689 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :th
< 1431833102 674154 :Patashu!Verdonna_@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1431833181 943262 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431833301 862830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or[ei]n: or possibly you can /set nick  and then /save
< 1431833314 970862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i see my nick in .irssi/config
< 1431833476 302097 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431833526 277374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or[ei]n: apparently you can also set the environment variable $IRCNICK
< 1431833543 732802 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: seems likely
< 1431833590 468094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably only if you don't change /set nick
< 1431833962 732565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use macro in my configuration file to set nicknames; in my opinion that is better way.
< 1431834128 989865 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1431834508 630001 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/webmidi/gen/17879560417051/17879560417051.ogg
< 1431834521 366895 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a song from some well-known game?
< 1431834534 620629 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a not-so-well-known game used it, wondering if it took it from somewhere
< 1431835913 127807 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431836286 116626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I add a feature of auto-accompaniment into AmigaMML?
< 1431837276 249381 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431838029 172998 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1431839434 7409 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1431840104 110630 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431840411 950769 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARe devices on a wifi network allowed to... just claim a hostname?
< 1431840427 25608 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to understand how http://find.synology.com works
< 1431840759 76024 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1431840883 255649 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it uses 192.168.n.m? there are only 65536 possiblities
< 1431841226 370471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It connects to diskstation.local:5000
< 1431841244 650988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.local hth
< 1431841394 867610 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOr some reason I saw diskstation not diskstation.local
< 1431841524 275966 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that link says Windows doesn't have mDNS support
< 1431841672 269858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My router will resolve hostnames on the local network.
< 1431841731 716298 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHat if two things try to use the same hostname?
< 1431841748 156207 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. if I have that DSM thing both as physical hardware and in a VM
< 1431841760 32740 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they both say they're diskstation
< 1431841767 843326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1431842266 594457 :lmt!18554f25@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.24.85.79.37 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431842278 64705 :lmt!18554f25@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.24.85.79.37 PART :#esoteric
< 1431842287 962649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was quick
< 1431842368 348518 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1431842963 569394 :password2!~password@197.77.15.59 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431843195 42558 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1431844588 694550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The domain name should resolve by administration; it shouldn't be allowed to just claim a hostname; print the MAC address on the device if you need to know how to refer to it
< 1431844638 562016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :.mac.local.hth
< 1431844639 376935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose both wired and wireless network routers if they have DNS server can use the MAC address to make up the domain name if such function is enabled
< 1431845397 310609 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1431846242 502529 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a45e8c.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431846318 598952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the proper way to keyscale a filter envelope?
< 1431846326 844736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/keyscale/antikeyscale/
< 1431846832 163675 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning
< 1431848352 929614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :morn morn
< 1431848979 792179 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cbcoyeforveecsln QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1431850094 930260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : ARe devices on a wifi network allowed to... just claim a hostname? <--- that is a common setup of home routers yes
< 1431850123 469680 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1431850149 849458 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1431852140 307615 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1431852790 265181 :password2!~password@197.77.15.59 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1431860675 351312 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: while we're splitting hairs, "it's not too hard to show that if some (m t) has at least two values then return must be injective, so the Identity monad embeds" <-- true, but those (observably, hmm) distinct values are a feature that lives outside the monad signature. Which was the point, pretty much.
< 1431861164 398253 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, happy Norwegian Constitution Day apparently
< 1431861166 823791 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f True = return () :: State () () in ((return False >>= f) `seq` (), (f False) `seq` ())
< 1431861168 455400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((),*Exception: :3:5-37: Non-exhaustive patterns in function f
< 1431861299 310552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: thx although my sleeping cycle is precisely the wrong way around for it
< 1431861318 741546 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, your sleep schedule is unconstitutional hth
< 1431861325 838955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly
< 1431861351 137193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, your constitution (I mean the legal one) regulates sleep schedules?
< 1431861399 347904 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess it does cover human rights and therefore sleep deprivation as a form of torture...
< 1431861414 376521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but I don't think that's applicable to oerjan's case.
< 1431861440 827593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: perhaps not, although "making people get up in the morning (before they get welfare support)" is kind of a political cliché here
< 1431861462 221481 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, interesting.
< 1431861464 236573 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lack of sleep is known to be bad for the constitution
< 1431861473 215079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously they completely failed with me)
< 1431861655 158449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it's not lack of sleep on average, just strange synchronization
< 1431862155 659950 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-result best-spoken-language
< 1431862155 697413 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): magyar=3, Polish=484, Welsh=1, Georgian=3, Manx=1, norwegian=8
< 1431862191 688996 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-remove best-spoken-language
< 1431862191 810506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll "best-spoken-language" removed.
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< 1431863519 638488 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Cayley-Hamilton theorem seems very odd to me
< 1431863642 22016 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1431863972 227175 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool
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< 1431864136 766697 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I like the stupid one-line "proof", that says that since p_A(x) = det(A - x I), we have p_A(A) = det(A - A I) = det(0) = 0.)
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< 1431866861 827296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like potatos?
< 1431866861 950036 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the alphabet and simplified spelling spelling and pictures books and burglars authors' club
< 1431867305 972560 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jhellonas. I think the 'got prefers alphabet soup hth
< 1431867687 578748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible
< 1431868024 247422 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( does the Hungarian version of alphabet soup have ő and ű? )
< 1431868171 378797 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no, at least not the ones I've seen
< 1431868209 822935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a separate Hungarian version produced even
< 1431868264 836308 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much for i18ned alphabet soup :/
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< 1431868355 987158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there's the question of whether there's a kanji alphabet soup
< 1431868444 506511 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably need sprues to hold the pasta for disconnected kanji together
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< 1431868597 801025 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it could just use the cursive versions of the kanji
< 1431868635 312006 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my… that nick
< 1431868647 136356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1431868703 913578 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellor[ei]n.
< 1431868709 287461 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1431868711 828459 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a variation on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edomoji ?
< 1431868714 732930 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle!
< 1431868720 870148 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431868731 660184 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Weloxux
< 1431868732 785079 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13Weloxux: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07irc.dal.net.)
< 1431868751 99108 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people's would just be for example Sgeo_* but Taneb would be \(Ta\)\?n\(eb\|vd\)
< 1431868757 536946 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, what the fungot is kakuji...
< 1431868758 744820 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 107. to this time it has been said: " one minute." and if we turn from this glorious spectacle to the private chamber of the fnord discussions by which we are led particularly to impress the lesson already alluded to on your attention. of the advantages of knowledge between those who hate all order. england has no peculiar reason to dread the introduction of personal reflections of any kind was referred to at that day. b
< 1431868777 135542 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :or[ei]n, that doesn't cover atriq or Ngevd
< 1431868806 141061 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point
< 1431868811 248963 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine'd be (Taneb|atriq|N(ge)?vd) if I got the formatting right
< 1431868827 907484 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure it can be simplified past that without false positives
< 1431868840 92642 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah in eregexes
< 1431868891 629134 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point I should switch my ed mod to use eregexes. bregexes can be hard to read
< 1431868916 977224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't they just recognize you from your irc username (as opposed to nick)? Istr that's "Taneb" even when you're nvd or whatever other nick
< 1431868933 789433 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, yeah
< 1431868942 83194 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really ought to make my realname my actual real name
< 1431869005 354826 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, has this changed it?
< 1431869011 836948 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No...
< 1431869051 178663 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, my real name is Nathan van Doorn, if anyone asks
< 1431869072 419929 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My real name is Oren Isaac Watson
< 1431869079 380048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or[ei]n: you could use a regex modifier like gnu sed does, only drawback is that the modifier letter shan't collide with a command, because just like sed, ed allows regex match in an address
< 1431869099 822273 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your real name when nobody is asking?
< 1431869153 393285 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orin I. Zack Watson
< 1431869172 233815 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol not really. 
< 1431869183 826198 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it have an "e" somewhere?
< 1431869211 536556 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when I was in primary school I often got confused as to how to spell it
< 1431869252 774279 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Izak is much more correct phonetically than Isaac
< 1431869355 910902 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't help that up until grade 2 I wrote my Z and S identicaly
< 1431869421 22271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or[ei]n: I cross all my lower case z because otherwise I'd write them too similarly
< 1431869484 259510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly the same, but it still helps
< 1431869500 527047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bad part is that I write lots of other letters so ugly even I can't distinguish them
< 1431869583 910148 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have very terrible printing, but very nice cursive
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< 1431869614 14279 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem is r versus v and u
< 1431869642 636381 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i print, they STILL look the same unless I pay a lot of attention
< 1431869715 836614 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish i was allowed to use kanji as variables in equations
< 1431869745 453087 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or[ei]n: yeah. in my handwriting, "r" and "v" are the same too. ("u" is different.)  also, "f" and "b" are often too similar.  and I write "c" and "w" and "p" too close to the next letter, AND "c" too similar to "e", which makes "cl", "d", "el" sometimes look the same
< 1431869804 39241 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your printing is probably not as angular as mine
< 1431869805 246798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know a good way to write "v" different from "r" (and other letters, including "b") unless I write it very wide. I should figure out some solution for that and learn it. as well as learn to write "c" properly.
< 1431869874 411667 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, what I do is sub in a cursive r
< 1431869907 397060 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italic_script helps. vertical downstokes, diagonal upstokes.
< 1431869907 398122 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks weird but at least is distinguishable in equations
< 1431869912 716330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or[ei]n: yes, but that's the problem. a cursive "r" looks like a cursive "v" to me, and somewhat similar to a cursive "b", because they both end in a raised shallow smile.
< 1431869976 157788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make "v" and "b" and "f" different because of their ascenders and descenders if I take care, but that doesn't help for "r" versus "v" 
< 1431870063 69593 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really had a problem with "u" versus "v", or with "o" versus "a", unlike some people
< 1431870110 201584 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... basically what I'm saying is, I write v and u both like v appears in most fonts.
< 1431870172 328261 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and r, often)
< 1431870231 619947 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s looks like a flipped z
< 1431870254 293778 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, mostly angular and scary
< 1431870293 316410 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :l looks like a line when I don't care, like a long z when I try to distinguish it
< 1431870534 448499 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I feel really good about my handwriting now
< 1431870570 206660 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you people with good coordination... you probably can touch type too
< 1431870626 620961 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can wirte beatiful cursive but only at like, 20 words a minute
< 1431870724 763167 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :off topic, I am so happy to be back on a latop with a nub mouse
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< 1431870929 462411 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Of or pertaining to uncles"
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< 1431879262 761375 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hmm

< 1431879278 834321 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quarter past 5 in the evening, I should get dressed and have breakfast
< 1431879315 555673 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a good idea
< 1431879367 537990 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :past... oh, you're using British timezone, +01:00
< 1431879492 735468 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in Britain
< 1431879499 331948 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :York, to be precise
< 1431879529 357366 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1431879539 421794 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you march up the hill and then down again?
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< 1431879662 449446 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :or[ei]n, there are very few hills here
< 1431879667 429738 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1431879677 924476 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, last year I routinely walked up and down one of them
< 1431879710 701195 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being Siward's Howe
< 1431879726 529963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they green
< 1431879742 588760 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, in places
< 1431879746 797418 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not particularly, though
< 1431879755 993911 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one Clifford's Tower sits atop is
< 1431879793 444923 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lfbyiaescwsbmbik JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431879971 46169 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who originally decided that \ was the escape character
< 1431880166 671015 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was the same person who decided to use / to delimit regexes, I want to slap that person
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< 1431881001 198603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know but some program also they can use different escapes/delimiters too
< 1431881296 331271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. sed and ed (for both matching and replacment), ex (for substitution), bash (for history expansion substitution), perl (for matching and substitution) can all use different delimiters
< 1431881303 208234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :different escape is rarer
< 1431881316 965848 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : If it was the same person who decided to use / to delimit regexes, I want to slap that person <-- depending on context and program other values may be allowed
< 1431881319 668478 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for s in sed
< 1431881325 869627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the slash syntax probably originates from ed
< 1431881333 395011 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431881347 56750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s#a#b# works too, in fact any one character following the s will be used for delimiter
< 1431881352 768470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite know where backslash for escapes comes from, maybe from the original shell
< 1431881393 365445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed has basically taken most of that syntax from ed
< 1431881414 128853 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1431881481 160696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an ex syntax for searching with any delimiter though, not just a slash or question mark?
< 1431881584 871221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm no idea
< 1431882002 578291 :password2_!~password@197.77.15.59 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1431882678 292883 :Froo!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431882744 197032 :KnightArm0!~irc@200.109.209.88 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431882791 292196 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431882864 804297 :Froox!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1431882902 534185 :Froox!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431882978 178757 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45E8C.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431882980 891714 :Froo!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1431883570 334146 :Decim!~hhs@c-66-235-53-2.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431884329 615041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have    x=atan(z)/(0.5*TAU)+0.5; sam[i]=y=x*sam[i]+(1.0-x)*y;    What is a way to adjust this kind of filter parameter for a change in sample rate? I have a parameter "scale" which is the reciprocal of the sample rate although it is not in Hz and is rather 1.0 for the base amount (whatever the base amount happens to be).
< 1431884742 797640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this supposed to cause a phase shift, for some kind of stereo effect?
< 1431884794 425940 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the atan part would be a soft-limit
< 1431884820 848250 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that high amplitudes aren't clipped too badly
< 1431884872 318632 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not quite, because there's some feedback through the y variable. meh.
< 1431884923 627378 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1431884941 675257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm commenting on my own comment, not yours, oren)
< 1431884947 471187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems a kind of lowpass filter to me. I wanted to at least approximate the change in cutoff from a change in sample rate so with a higher sample rate it is at least partially affected.
< 1431884967 180292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer that you use the nick "orin" because "oren" is already taken hth
< 1431884990 997712 :KnightArm0!~irc@200.109.209.88 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1431885017 818939 :or[ei]n!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net NICK :ORin
< 1431885080 208669 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so orin is not oren, even though oren sometimes used the nick orin? I'm confused.
< 1431885121 847810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NS INFO shows two different accounts
< 1431885122 441272 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know I'm the only or[ie]n who has ever been on this channel
< 1431885174 74058 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm the oren who wrote scrip7 ith)
< 1431885213 201995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: so is any of the accounts that nickserv knows about (it has both oren and orin) yours?
< 1431885215 785645 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also people keep referring to accounts but I have no clue
< 1431885242 975085 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think that's a no)
< 1431885247 849919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my father's name is oren hth
< 1431885275 792981 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just do irssi --nick oren -c irc.freenode.net
< 1431885291 140011 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or orin depending on the phase of the moon
< 1431885321 419380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why it depend on the phase of the moon?
< 1431885323 742819 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( orientation )
< 1431885329 405048 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before, my username on the computer was oren so I didn't need to --nick
< 1431885374 98314 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it doesn't actually, it's random
< 1431885399 145650 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :/set nick orin ... /save ... edit .irssi/config to your heart's delight?
< 1431885436 119062 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net QUIT :Quit: testing
< 1431885503 723371 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1
< 1431885510 112344 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431885519 75646 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works
< 1431885558 807759 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw today my interpolation grew showing of non-strings.
< 1431885559 50864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's also /save layout ... oh and I believe all this is actually documented somewhere)
< 1431885588 655993 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: um. What?
< 1431885617 79273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait, it's /layout save. hah.
< 1431885619 166772 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( let x = 2 in let y : Integer = x * x in interpolate "${x} squared is ${y}"
< 1431885619 460488 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"2 squared is 4" : 12String
< 1431885625 268926 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't used that in a while)
< 1431885652 627326 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \x : Integer => let y = x * x in interpolate "${x} squared is ${y}"
< 1431885652 764445 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13x => 09prim__concat (09prim__toStrBigInt 13x) (09prim__concat 04" squared is " (09prim__concat (09prim__toStrBigInt (09prim__mulBigInt 13x 13x)) 04"")) : 12Integer -> 12String
< 1431885668 482617 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no stickler for grammer, but at a fundamental level that sentence was
< 1431885722 243002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION winces

< 1431885734 860889 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1431885740 404371 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ungrammatical
< 1431885777 240661 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess I missed a comma.
< 1431885792 770692 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where?E?EE??e?
< 1431885803 551090 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :After “Btw”.
< 1431885846 872293 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, no i mean what does "my interpolation grew showing" mean how do i even parse that
< 1431885863 509546 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :“showing” used as a noun.
< 1431885867 742240 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: nothing. it's (my interpolation) grew (showing of non-strings)
< 1431885897 220203 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't particularly like "grew" there, but it appears to be grammatically correct.

< 1431885932 280191 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. so he added support for showing non-strings to an implementation of string interpolation
< 1431885935 216102 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it
< 1431885936 462415 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to be quite correct it’s that *my implementation* of interpolation grew it.
< 1431885990 184939 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before I suppose you had to convert things to strigs before interpolationg them?
< 1431886000 10455 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1431886050 264241 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought perl's string interpolation was too far
< 1431886101 617715 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it still only works with variable names because supporting even very simple expressions turns out to be rather nontrivial.
< 1431886113 119003 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no good reason to allow arbitrary code inside a string, and it screws up the vast majority of syntax highlighters
< 1431886119 32613 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and “showing” was also meaning
< 1431886121 148906 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t show
< 1431886121 201519 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.show : 12Show 13a => 13a -> 12String
< 1431886128 154768 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1431886163 56101 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: The fun of this one is that this is a library rather than implemented inside the compiler.
< 1431886207 370544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some programming languages (such as Forth) the only way to properly do syntax highlighting is to execute it (although you can sandbox it if necessary).
< 1431886223 425933 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when it gets to "${x}" it has to somehow search the environment for a variable called x?
< 1431886238 793670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, perl is one of those languages too.
< 1431886246 832052 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: Yes, which it does via reflection.
< 1431886257 819255 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: what? no
< 1431886269 759712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpolation in strings has nothing to do with being hard to highlight
< 1431886283 101261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby is a case in point, it has string interpolation, but it's relatively easy to parse
< 1431886291 946463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just imagine the interpolation as if the string literal is broken there
< 1431886305 422672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that a Forth syntax highlighter that works by executing the code does exist; I don't know if there is such thing of Perl.
< 1431886320 29795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when I write "foo#{bar}qux" it's really similar to ("foo" + String(bar) + "qux")
< 1431886320 69490 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only perl can parse Perl
< 1431886331 934914 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ruby, you have to parse the bar part like a normal expression that can contain any code
< 1431886334 941774 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even double quotes
< 1431886337 674418 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431886340 848962 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reflection is compile-time-only though.
< 1431886342 578069 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this differs from perl, which finds the closing double quote first)
< 1431886348 935738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reflection 
< 1431886356 191779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works the same as menti9oning variables in ordinary code
< 1431886359 785902 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I’m talking about mine.
< 1431886386 200067 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I forgot to press enter first and then failed to consider context when I did remember.
< 1431886399 100754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ruby's interpolation syntax makes more sense by the way, but it's too late to change perl now)
< 1431886405 623626 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I see
< 1431886454 59434 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \bar : String => interpolate "foo${bar}qux"
< 1431886454 180736 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13bar => 09prim__concat 04"foo" (09prim__concat 13bar 04"qux") : 12String -> 12String
< 1431886561 172038 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it didn’t reduce it as far, that would be exactly “\bar => "foo" ++ bar ++ "qux"”
< 1431886575 171836 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( \bar : Integer => interpolate "foo${bar}qux"
< 1431886575 359335 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\13bar => 09prim__concat 04"foo" (09prim__concat (09prim__toStrBigInt 13bar) 04"qux") : 12Integer -> 12String
< 1431886589 771567 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: is this some crazy template haskell thing?
< 1431886624 598477 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some crazy compile-time idris thing
< 1431886628 782563 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It’s not completely unlike it, but not all that like it either.
< 1431886719 828515 :password2_!~password@197.77.15.59 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1431886761 852636 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, I don’t get to output an parser-level AST thing, I have to fill in a fully-specified term of the core language using hooks into the elaborator.
< 1431886822 39824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooks in the ... what?
< 1431886867 579086 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The elaborator is the thing that fills in all the intermediate types and implicit arguments and generally turns Idris into TT.
< 1431886923 888709 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( `("foo" ++ "bar")
< 1431886923 996202 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04App (04App (04P 04Ref
< 1431886924 48878 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :            (04NS (04UN 04"++") 04[04"Strings"04, 04"Prelude"04])
< 1431886924 49995 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :            (04Bind (04UN 04"__pi_arg") (04Pi (04TConst 04StrType) (04TType (04UVar 04-1))) (04Bind (04UN 04"__pi_arg1") (04Pi (04TConst 04StrType) (04TType (04UVar 04-1))) (04TConst 04StrType))))
< 1431886924 50048 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :         (04TConst (04Str 04"foo")))
< 1431886924 50083 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    (04TConst (04Str 04"bar")) : 12TT
< 1431886927 500660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a combination of desugarer + typechecker?
< 1431886947 222708 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+inference)
< 1431886953 691047 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there’s another typechecker underneath that’s simple for reliability.
< 1431886987 431778 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's a theorem prover. right.
< 1431887025 957063 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is that the elaborator answers the actual typechecker’s call to “please elaborate” on the rather threadbare thing the user input.
< 1431887054 395046 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I say
< 1431887072 882087 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( show "foo"
< 1431887072 934679 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"\"foo\"" : 12String
< 1431887091 474094 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s a whole two arguments to show I haven’t given.
< 1431887097 287428 :Decim!~hhs@c-66-235-53-2.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1431887134 607781 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one can be found by unification using the argument I did gave, then the second has to be found through instance search using the first one.
< 1431887200 561228 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I never said that I wanted the show from Prelude (though in this case of course there isn’t another in scope so resolving that is relatively easy).
< 1431887270 100143 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( `("foo" ++ "bar")
< 1431887270 137276 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04App (04App (04P 04Ref
< 1431887270 175189 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :            (04NS (04UN 04"++") 04[04"Strings"04, 04"Prelude"04])
< 1431887270 176258 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :            (04Bind (04UN 04"__pi_arg") (04Pi (04TConst 04StrType) (04TType (04UVar 04-1))) (04Bind (04UN 04"__pi_arg1") (04Pi (04TConst 04StrType) (04TType (04UVar 04-1))) (04TConst 04StrType))))
< 1431887270 176311 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :         (04TConst (04Str 04"foo")))
< 1431887270 176346 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    (04TConst (04Str 04"bar")) : 12TT
< 1431887306 684354 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ And this thing is the core-language representation of that little term.
< 1431887381 848553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh how overloaded is (++) there?
< 1431887394 972993 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( show show
< 1431887394 974838 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Show a
< 1431887402 713165 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( show (++)
< 1431887402 714185 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating an application of function 09Prelude.show:
< 1431887402 772362 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Can't disambiguate name: 09Data.HVect.++, 09Prelude.List.++, 09Prelude.Strings.++, 09Data.VectType.Vect.++
< 1431887409 313582 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t (++)
< 1431887409 314526 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Data.HVect.(++) : 12HVect 13ts -> 12HVect 13us -> 12HVect (13ts 09++ 13us)
< 1431887409 449187 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.List.(++) : 12List 13a -> 12List 13a -> 12List 13a
< 1431887409 450159 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Strings.(++) : 12String -> 12String -> 12String
< 1431887409 450260 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Data.VectType.Vect.(++) : 12Vect 13m 13a -> 12Vect 13n 13a -> 12Vect (13m 09+ 13n) 13a
< 1431887444 599765 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest part there, the third line, is just the type of Strings.(++).
< 1431887484 823192 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm trying to parse that.
< 1431887564 632986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I have to remember how -> is expressed as a dependent product.
< 1431887578 696836 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may help if I phrase it as “(__pi_arg : String : Type (-1)) -> (__pi_arg1 : String : Type (-1)) -> String”
< 1431887618 805120 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, (TType (UVar -1)) is the box?
< 1431887622 726346 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn’t actually valid syntax with the extra explicit types of types.
< 1431887628 654945 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Box?
< 1431887635 157071 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\square
< 1431887645 714073 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TType _) is the representation of Type, the type of types.
< 1431887655 946293 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( `(Type)
< 1431887656 35183 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04TType (04UVar 0420) : 12TT
< 1431887678 856753 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm wondering whether -1 has a particular meaning there.
< 1431887685 470968 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which contains an id for a universe level so that you don’t get cyclic universe constraints.
< 1431887758 743478 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not sure if the id (-1) is special, but it probably is.
< 1431887803 167284 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be the level that primitive types are resolved to or something.
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< 1431887861 329299 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway,
< 1431887864 334705 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :doc Elab
< 1431887864 454734 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data type 12Elab : 12Type -> 12Type
< 1431887864 455844 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    A reflected elaboration script.
< 1431887864 455884 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constructors:
< 1431887864 455905 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    04prim__PureElab : 13a -> 12Elab 13a
< 1431887864 455921 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    04prim__BindElab : 12Elab 13a -> (13a -> 12Elab 13b) -> 12Elab 13b14↵…
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< 1431887916 404685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t "abc"
< 1431887916 457002 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"abc" : 12String
< 1431887930 494956 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t interpolate
< 1431887930 495981 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Melvar.Interpolate.interpolate : 12String -> {tacimp x : 12String} -> 12String
< 1431887972 41907 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elab is the monad of elaboration scripts, and that tacimp in the source actually points at such an elaboration script to fill in the value of x.
< 1431887978 474074 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t elabInterpolate
< 1431887978 541836 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Melvar.Interpolate.elabInterpolate : 12String -> 12Elab 12()
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< 1431890035 309199 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
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< 1431891053 68723 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42953&oldid=42810 5* 03Madflame991 5* (-1) 10Updated a broken link
< 1431891195 611690 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah I am foiled once more by takeaways stopping delivery at 8:30
< 1431891221 563233 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1431891227 684490 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431891240 49588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1431891301 207828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently it's called take-away in the uk
< 1431891397 349089 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it called in other places
< 1431891436 48886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeaway hth
< 1431891450 877898 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaaaat
< 1431891627 930735 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1431891640 492310 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: SUNNY CHICKEN
< 1431892019 494693 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is called carry out
< 1431892041 357513 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "Eat in, or carry out"?
< 1431892074 957258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell whether you're asking a question or trying to quote a question.
< 1431892078 427411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"China produces about 57 billion pairs of single-use chopsticks yearly"
< 1431892084 966804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of chopsticks
< 1431892129 323363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's 114 billion chopsticks per year
< 1431892160 186192 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily wood is a renewable resource
< 1431892195 459970 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as renewable as stone though
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< 1431896442 355278 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so the bogus hpa RSA key is an md5 collision, beautiful.
< 1431896497 192914 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431896510 852619 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not? mm.
< 1431897105 413972 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I like? Fully general examples.
< 1431897133 264007 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, one example of the idea of a group is the idea of a permutation group.
< 1431897160 79548 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this example is fully general, because every group can be seen as a permutation group.
< 1431897399 860318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1431898436 859826 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, oh well, I don't know why, but the bad and the good keys differ in a single block of 32 bytes length, not obviously aligned in any way.
< 1431898474 933874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some program such as SoX and ImageMagick and so on can operate on sounds, pictures, videos, etc but they are really different number of dimensions and different number of channels (such as 3 dimensions for an animated picture), and still there is resolution parameter (such as DPI for pictures and sample rate for audio). Some operators can also be generalized to different number of dimensions/channels.
< 1431898680 597748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For operators that work only one dimension you can specify which dimension to act on if there is more than one. Simple echo effects can be generalized more than one dimension since the delay for echo can be a vector of multiple dimensions; noise can also be any number of dimension, and also gradients, etc. Therefore such program can be made to operate such thing
< 1431898758 43042 :^v!~^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1431900215 690967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561179 seems to be the most reasonable take on it so far. I still wonder whether there was any malicious intent behind the bogus subkey.
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< 1431900790 801528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wow, I feel really good about my handwriting now <-- word :P
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< 1431902443 205705 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding takeaway:
< 1431902458 87904 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where I live, the ubiquitous question asked at fast food places is "for here or to go?"
< 1431902466 776535 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The responses are, of course, "for here" and "to go".
< 1431902517 464976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norway there's actually a tax difference
< 1431902520 484221 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the food itself would be referred to as "carryout", if you have to make the distinction.
< 1431902546 142872 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which one has less taxes? take away food?
< 1431902546 920481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to some ancient political shuffling
< 1431902554 391104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes
< 1431902599 661973 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like there's a difference between "carryout" and "to go", but I can't quite put my finger on it.
< 1431902612 944153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a general vat exemption for food, which doesn't apply to restaurants, and they wisely decided that if you take the food away from the restaurant you get _half_ the exemption.
< 1431902615 117113 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucky guess, I can't say that either really makes more sense than the other.
< 1431902657 41411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's lawmakers for you...
< 1431902668 525098 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...always finding new complicat... err I mean compromises.
< 1431902672 102728 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I called a restaurant where people normally order, wait fifteen minutes, and eat there, but I wanted to take the foot out instead, I'd tell them, "I'd like to place a carryout order."
< 1431902720 568144 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd then probably refer to the food as "carryout".
< 1431902729 679153 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, foot.
< 1431902766 986011 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it were a fast food restaurant, I'd just say "to go" when ordering (and I certainly wouldn't order ahead), and then I'd just refer to the food as "fast food" instead of "carryout".
< 1431902801 751986 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "food to go", I guess.
< 1431902837 375839 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We got some food to go at McDonald's." "We got some carryout at Some Casual Restaurant."
< 1431903021 965302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i may be slightly confused, the exemption was half the vat, and possibly carryout got all of it.
< 1431903235 834518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*take-away, let's not absorb new terminology nilly-willy here
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< 1431903447 806861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they've shaved some off the exemption, now it's 15% vat for food compared to 25% in general.
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< 1431904419 781598 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellochaf
< 1431904477 205793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1431904567 526097 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :chellopumpkin. shellochaf.
< 1431904584 765818 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohelloily
< 1431904855 550402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION learns that the US doesn't generally have VAT

< 1431904885 726229 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1431904933 157082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Were you responding to something I said before or just saying hi?
< 1431904943 419112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was going to say something before I've forgotten what it is.
< 1431904945 854970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I meant copumpkin.
< 1431904965 941941 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying hi!
< 1431905025 290877 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was agreeing with oerjan
< 1431905450 252970 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431905594 808147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenMPT can load the old 15-samples MODs, but cannot save them. AmigaMML now has the capability to save such files if you tell it to do so. It is the only one or are there others (not counting Ultimate SoundTracker)?
< 1431905663 600678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Esowiki201529A/芝麻油14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42954 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+205) 10Created page with "香油，又称芝麻油、麻油，是从芝麻中提炼出来的，因具有特别香味，故称为香油。 按榨取方法一般分为机榨香油和小磨香油，小磨..."
< 1431905889 412849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like OpenMPT loads "FLT8"s too but not "EXO8"s; I read somewhere they have the same format but it doesn't seem to do that in OpenMPT at least.
< 1431905991 873595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02User:Esowiki201529A/芝麻油10]]": This is a wiki, not a clipboard
< 1431906233 495360 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what kind of spam it was of.
< 1431906308 118157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sesame oil, not spam hth
< 1431906326 693061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was pretty short, so most is in that edit description.
< 1431906354 660827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just ... wtf is e putting it on our wiki
< 1431906783 672181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : But this example is fully general, because every group can be seen as a permutation group. <-- boolean algebra of sets...
< 1431906815 560219 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, when someone says "VAT", I think "that European tax thing".
< 1431906820 15776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or distributive lattice of sets, almost the same
< 1431906902 497687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: according to wikipedia there are a _few_ other places than the US that don't have it, but it's by no means just "european".  although the french apparently did it first.
< 1431906949 645325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's really approaching another imperial / metric split at this point.
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< 1431915096 177458 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the poor dogs are so scared from the fireworks
< 1431915153 789720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fireworks?
< 1431915180 890751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh victoria day
< 1431915216 869751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Victoria day is tomorrow; I wanted to go to Victoria today but now I can't
< 1431915247 393337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm what's today then
< 1431915274 532545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunday, in my timezone
< 1431915288 262338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so what happens in toronto on may 17
< 1431915301 344193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; I don't live in Toronto.
< 1431915303 486555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly canada in general
< 1431915309 594321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ORin does
< 1431915428 157420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm google doesn't give any big hint
< 1431915472 664432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i can look at this blogto.com thing
< 1431915542 644309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope still nothing
< 1431915566 335607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: tell the poor dogs they're clearly hallucinating hth
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< 1431915784 871052 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the little one has gone catatonic and the big one won't stop shivering
< 1431915865 179197 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I'm at my grandparents' house north of North Bay
< 1431915890 485900 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and teh neighbors are letting fireworks off on the other end of the lake
< 1431916042 500213 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYB
< 1431916042 863494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `metar' failed with: connect: does not exist (Connection refused)
< 1431916050 469454 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the poop
< 1431916090 272050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it did that yesterday too, but it's worked in between
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< 1431916113 536404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1431916113 836135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 180150Z 12006KT 9999 FEW003 SCT026 BKN031 04/03 Q1009 RMK WIND 670FT 16006KT
< 1431916131 260140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYB
< 1431916131 381618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `metar' failed with: connect: does not exist (Connection refused)
< 1431916144 275501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe it actually doesn't exist
< 1431916197 476286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: you and the dogs are hallucinating the whole place hth
< 1431916239 39250 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agh
< 1431916311 651496 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :environment canada claims it does, but they would say that, woudln't they
< 1431916345 64765 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also those temps make no sense, it is like 9 degrees here
< 1431916391 277049 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are north of north bay anyway
< 1431916451 624250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :north of any place in canada = damn cold, that's logic
< 1431916484 283091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :north of any place in canada with north in the name = probably a glacier
< 1431916501 503313 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.ca/maps/@46.721202,-79.794887,3a,66.8y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sKIVOOhW5dO57alorQ3gkcw!2e0
< 1431916509 814589 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically where I am
< 1431916680 559635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why it work for ENVA but the connection is refuse for CYYB? Let's try some other Canadian stuff too let's see
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< 1431916691 243286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR works.
< 1431917087 423514 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, there isn't a good google maps street view that directly shows the house. trees in the way, picture seams, and those idiots didn't use very good cameras so you can arely see anything across frenchmans bay
< 1431917379 611632 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should take a camera to the centre of the bay and take a panorama
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< 1431917432 733013 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is not that cold, but in winter we do do ice fishing
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< 1431920774 286269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although programs to syntax highlight TeX codes exist, you cannot really properly syntax highlight a TeX code without executing it either, if it or any file it includes has any catcode changes; most don't though so it can usually work. But even without that many will do some bad job, such as not knowing what format you are using (Plain TeX or LaTeX; it is easy to guess but still there is the mistake), and a few other things (such as trigraphs).
< 1431920893 326578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore I haven't seen a METAFONT syntax highlighter, but that is a bit easier since you can't change catcodes (although the "input" command accepts plain text and that might affect something too). Also some syntax highlighter for Literate Haskell will improperly interpret bird-style as LaTeX-style; knowing the style isn't even necessary since they can even be combined and should be very easy to check anyways, but they still get it wrong...
< 1431921017 791873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also haven't seen syntax highlighters for RDF or for Lemon. But I have seen Whitespace syntax highlighters, which can be a useful thing to have even if you don't program in Whitespace.
< 1431921187 193456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also different variants of BASIC and SQL.
< 1431921598 882419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make syntax highlighting programming language and then such codes can be converted into other programming language codes. I wrote a IRC syntax highlighter in PHP, but isn't modular and output format is only ANSI codes, and it require PHP.
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< 1431922753 315134 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In SQLite, some words are keywords or not depending on context.
< 1431922967 784421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true in GHC too.
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< 1431927042 798810 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it possible to emit some kind of "parsed" tokens from TeX?
< 1431927063 918937 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, I think it is possible to highlight code based on individual character's catcode
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< 1431931853 517671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yes, that is possible, but the catcodes can be changed; if you execute it then you can figure out the catcodes
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< 1431933320 825446 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it possible for tokens inside macros to be reparsed with updated catcode assignments?
< 1431933336 614280 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC that wasn't a case, but well.
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< 1431937694 161586 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: some bad haskell syntax highlighters think foo' x = x is a character
< 1431937700 905380 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will highlight everything after ' in character colour
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< 1431953940 761269 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ashamed that swiss government requires health insurances and the like to pay for homeopathy :(
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< 1431955573 279163 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth in Javascript, sort of. https://github.com/sgentle/catenary
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< 1431962536 376430 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning. 
< 1431962548 384728 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman are you from switzerland?
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< 1431962710 870403 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a syntax highlighter language sounds like a very good idea
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< 1431965571 37331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I am late, but, no a macro contains only tokens that are already parsed. However, a token list register can be converted into a string and then stored into a file and reparsed (token list registers aren't normally expanded if \the is used)
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< 1431969587 981032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a proper way to make a to-do list in Redmine? What I did is make a master "to-do list" issue which is closed, and the issues I want to add to the to-do list precede the to-do list itself; any other issues are simply suggestions and are not yet on the to-do list. And then the custom query can be used to search for open issues that precede the to-do list.
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< 1431972661 291093 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaah exam in 14 hours
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< 1431974536 466183 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/orenwatson/hylytr
< 1431974628 713235 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :implemented after utterly failing to make anything highlight good with sed
< 1431974728 63417 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a highlighting script consists of tuples like
< 1431974778 645078 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue default :/\*: :\*/:
< 1431974794 7701 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fgcolor bgcolor startregex endregex
< 1431974807 981117 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the regexes can start and end with any one character
< 1431974845 202624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well, get some sleep
< 1431974892 219659 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end regex may be omited. if so, only the part matching the start regex is colored
< 1431974994 930944 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that sound?
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< 1431975124 226947 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to make noises?
< 1431975150 31568 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. no, i mean, uh...
< 1431975205 285802 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any improvement or suggestion?
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< 1431975385 232655 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I'm not sure if anyone uses underline or crossout for syntax highlighting
< 1431975420 324674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: those used to syntax-highlight diffs, sometimes
< 1431975429 63412 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idris uses underline for semantic hilighting.
< 1431975431 76276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly because it doesn't clash with other highlighting
< 1431975438 690452 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t id
< 1431975438 855301 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Basics.id : 13a -> 13a
< 1431975438 856321 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Control.Category.id : 12Category 13cat => 13cat 13a 13a
< 1431975492 813888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that even gets through my formatting filter
< 1431975511 403280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I strongly suspect that it's just implemented by setting all 16 foreground colors to white, likewise all 16 background colors to black
< 1431975652 595593 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might as well allow one or more style names before teh first color
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< 1431975762 268743 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero or more rather
< 1431975936 562054 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse underline strikeout
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< 1431978457 662694 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :( is a really shitty bot prefix character
< 1431978457 732736 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such variable is
< 1431978463 61719 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :) would be far better
< 1431978492 397187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: someone did use ) 
< 1431978504 13039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes
< 1431978504 616833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
< 1431978513 160959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, one of the jevalbot instances
< 1431978592 746960 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map
< 1431978594 781238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> [a] -> [b]
< 1431978601 195138 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it could be worse: at least the space is mandatory. IIRC)
< 1431978636 582131 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :   \o_
< 1431978636 967588 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   |
< 1431978637 100796 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  /|
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< 1431978703 385891 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, I have mandatory space as an option for jevalbot, and I think it's probably turned on in most instances
< 1431978714 132091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :]definitely turned on in my instance
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< 1431978719 29519 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
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< 1431978748 111331 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, space reqd
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< 1431979480 90870 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: With idris-bot it’s not so much that the space is mandatory but that the prefix contains a space.
< 1431979541 932917 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: oerjan insisted I use ( to balance the existing ) in the prefixes list.
< 1431979557 674089 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1431979594 815492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: because otherwise it can't be expressed in de-facto Underload
< 1431979620 93234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically there's an escape syntax but nobody uses it
< 1431979748 668874 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently made idris-bot join another channel that has a lambdabot instance, and decided on the prefix “>> ” for there.
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< 1431980009 277177 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, that sounds like a challenge. an underload interpretr isn't too difficult to write.
< 1431980024 516764 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least if it doesn't want to optimize)
< 1431980037 976379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you mean something to do
< 1431980039 629666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1431980067 700325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, making an interpreter that supports the escape syntax
< 1431980068 865667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think people consider escapes part of Underload any more
< 1431980083 338924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could certainly do it, though, it isn't hard
< 1431980084 898107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about an optional part?
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< 1431980892 907486 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is there not another big divergence between the underload spec and the implementations?
< 1431980922 189520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: are you thinking of something in particular?
< 1431980945 651280 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's the reserved characters
< 1431980966 250151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1431980974 752665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't really an impl bug though
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< 1431981050 576813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing exactly what you expected is one possible outcome of UB
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< 1431981568 912586 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good god
< 1431981609 369696 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first episode after hignfy's election special (where farage, miliband and clegg's resignations were all announced during recording)
< 1431981637 289738 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did a bit about chukka umuna's leadership bid and then 5 seconds later his withdrawal was announced
< 1431981638 857629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm suddenly interested in what Phantom__Hoover's opinion on the election result is
< 1431981666 272216 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the worst case scenario but it was pretty bad
< 1431981683 660526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that "hylytr" has some of its own problems, such as dependence on specific colors and the only thing it can do is matching regular expressions, while some need more than that. Also isn't as good if you want string delimiters to use a different color than the text of the string. At least, the format isn't depending on specific output format such as HTML and ANSI and so on, nor depending on specific programming languages.
< 1431981684 508419 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the exit polls i got a bit drunk and went to sleep in a bad mood
< 1431981716 149827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my point of view, I think the majority might be too large, even though it's one of the smallest even
< 1431981718 341233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ever
< 1431981729 52088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Conservatives need someone to keep them in check, possibly it can be their own back-benchers
< 1431981805 550932 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tory backbenchers wouldn't keep them 'in check', it'd pull them further right
< 1431981827 819569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not every issue is right versus left
< 1431981848 666814 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: interesting commnet about the string delimiters. Maybe if allowed a option to have the color be inclusive or exclusive of the regexes?
< 1431981851 212335 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best you could hope for would be the party collapsing under the weight of its own shitheadedness but with a referendum promised they're not going to see a howard-style rebellion
< 1431982011 631362 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which howard?
< 1431982092 182591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the one that was leader of the conservatives several years ago
< 1431982095 105441 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck i meant john major
< 1431982108 560513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that makes a little more sense
< 1431982119 292280 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the only politician Howard I could think of was John
< 1431982126 556349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe I'm confused
< 1431982128 577087 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he didn't really face that much rebellion?
< 1431982162 356537 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh Michael Howard is a person
< 1431982167 6640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was the politician that was asked the same question like 21 times by Jeremy Paxman?
< 1431982173 440887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the person I was thinking of
< 1431982228 342802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: Can you show example of what you mean?
< 1431982240 39292 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also extremely funny is ukip having a backbench revolt with only 1 mp
< 1431982334 648638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: they could do that, technically? the MP in question isn't part of the party leadership AFAIK
< 1431982348 205674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that actually decides a vote, it'd cause utter chaos
< 1431982353 778704 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, we could say for instance
< 1431982363 794890 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is what has actually happened
< 1431982387 572937 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :carswell has called for farage to 'take a break' (i.e. resign)
< 1431982396 648295 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :green default :'[^']':n
< 1431982396 895695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I meant in Parliament
< 1431982398 1595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your regex to match strings is only one; if you have two I suppose is easier
< 1431982457 258515 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually yeah
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< 1431982893 621414 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can have a modifier before the colors that says for instance left-inclusive, right-inclusive, exclusive or inclusive
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< 1431982922 31368 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that a format like 
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< 1431982994 155763 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :left-inclusive red default :": :":
< 1431983017 560866 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have the left quote red but not the right quote
< 1431983059 488995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can see how you mean, but at first I did not understand because the file you have has only one regex for parsing strings therefore doesn't seem to do.
< 1431983092 802834 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. I never really considered wanting to do what you suggested
< 1431983137 682780 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes sense especially for raw strings
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< 1431987006 268028 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, I'm creating an esolang on the wiki.
< 1431987204 715686 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :v good
< 1431987222 796348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's a BF derivative?
< 1431987228 299605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, everyone has to get started somewhere
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< 1431987498 564501 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, yes. But it least it's not a direct mapping from one set of commands to a different one.
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< 1431987587 135312 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrip7 is technically a bf derivative, in that the + - > < , . commands have similar meanings 
< 1431987602 357296 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my first language was technically one
< 1431987790 427208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point I was seriously tempted to define + - > < , . in Overload so that it could interpret commentless BF programs directly, but for different reasons
< 1431987838 603137 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrip7 can't do that. you'd have to rplace each + with a+1 or something
< 1431987839 811596 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, for that you'd need to define [ and ] that way too. or are those already defined that way?
< 1431987845 63975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Overload by the way?
< 1431987858 636221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ and ] did something else, unfortunately
< 1431987859 241317 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and ] did ,"_`(0 { 2 | +/ .*)@.(1 { 2 | +/ .*) unfortunately
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< 1431987876 132756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: that is beautiful
< 1431987876 832122 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is beautiful
< 1431987895 148998 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck just
< 1431987898 298930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Overload was one of the first esolangs I started designing (not /the/ first)
< 1431987907 694670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it would probably not be able to interpret most commentless bf programs
< 1431987914 572585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was crazily big and complex
< 1431987923 94885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload is a subset of it
< 1431987932 201688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when I noticed a smallish subset was TC)
< 1431987940 510562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bf derivative has a double-sided infinite tape and wraps around on overflow/underflow
< 1431987959 662194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that + decrements and - increments, and < goes right and > goes left
< 1431987999 800108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the point being that it's equivalent to "regular" BF?
< 1431988005 622698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for I/O
< 1431988009 572124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does that use negative numbers?
< 1431988013 545041 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is the tape infinite in both the < and > directions?
< 1431988028 904804 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the > and < commands in scrip7 are redundant actually
< 1431988031 733492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's what i meant by double-sided
< 1431988037 656296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1431988049 660174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it could mean that each point at the tape has two values
< 1431988052 297451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Random Brainfuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42960 5* 03Somelauw 5* (+2515) 10Created page with "[[Random Brainfuck]] is an extension to [[Brainfuck]]. It supports all the operations that Brainfuck supports, but has one extra operation i.e. the question mark (?) which ove..."
< 1431988055 812121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the point is the thing ais523 said
< 1431988062 291967 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it's double-sided like casette tape is, as in, there's two values in each cell
< 1431988065 583102 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that
< 1431988066 305434 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it is
< 1431988082 245600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, a bf variant
< 1431988082 730280 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :becuase you could do O+1 instead of a>1 and O+2 instead of A>1 etc
< 1431988083 941093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you missed an opportunity, you're not far from generating /ˈæmbiːɛf/ (http://esolangs.org/wiki//%CB%88%C3%A6mbi%CB%90%C9%9Bf/) there
< 1431988124 34717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my favourite areas of language design is "similar to an existing language, but you have control flow problems that make it not obviously TC"
< 1431988177 579163 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does the machine in the ioccc 1992/buzzard entry count as such?
< 1431988189 729467 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm the ? op could make it possible to do certain problems faster
< 1431988197 556642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I forget which one that is
< 1431988203 927701 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it wouldn't be TC even with control flow, because it's finite
< 1431988210 835326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the memory is limited to finite
< 1431988217 606031 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to however many variables you declare
< 1431988225 750867 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.de.ioccc.org/years-spoiler.html#1992_buzzard.1
< 1431988228 152803 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Random Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42961&oldid=42960 5* 03Somelauw 5* (-10) 10/* Examples */ More consistent notation
< 1431988229 722729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :babbage analytical engine
< 1431988242 742170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: in competitive esolangs like BF Joust or FukYorBrane, that sort of command can be brokenly powerful
< 1431988272 926278 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :finitely many int variables you have to declare, statements are like x = y; x += y; x -= y; x *= y; x /= y; where y is variable or literal, and the whole thing in loop
< 1431988281 210138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it can do output
< 1431988310 628171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Random Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42962&oldid=42961 5* 03Somelauw 5* (+0) 10/* Implemention */
< 1431988385 447902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm pretty sure that, with bignums, that's TC
< 1431988408 812098 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but this uses fixed size
< 1431988410 654378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of no-control-flow INTERCAL, but easier
< 1431988414 732403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some built-in C type
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< 1431988422 10281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well with fixed size it's obviously sub-TC, but that's mentioned in the hint file
< 1431988426 680779 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1431988431 440827 :roasted42!~appleseed@197.77.7.186 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
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< 1431988442 530402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, the entry shows that he can emulate control flow
< 1431988449 76643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the lack of control flow isn't a problem
< 1431988466 901927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with only constant factor overhead too
< 1431988483 325275 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking
< 1431988485 261885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't, like, write a number of statements doubly exponential in the size of integers or something
< 1431988495 940050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be impractical in ioccc
< 1431988511 760999 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you have a local branch instruction and the ability to multiply
< 1431988530 358702 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, of course, if you just add arrays, it gets much easier, because array indexing makes conditionals easy to implement
< 1431988566 821897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was expressionless INTERCAL I was thinking about, I think?
< 1431988576 602934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no
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< 1431988580 998121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm confused
< 1431988586 114668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :expressionless intercal? wow
< 1431988600 678330 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1431988602 483220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you maybe have to allow constants
< 1431988604 829408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not anything else
< 1431988607 51222 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it that the wiki keeps logging me out
< 1431988617 613060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1431988620 102628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit better
< 1431988626 87246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1431988631 868270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no computed come from or computed ignore
< 1431988641 401953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, you use "computed" abstain for data storage
< 1431988647 23448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the value you're computing is a fixed number
< 1431988655 205909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what?
< 1431988662 653668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a non-computed abstain with line number too?
< 1431988671 856341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, but it can only store a single bit of data
< 1431988680 769636 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like DO ABSTAIN FROM (4) as opposed to DO ABSTAIN FROM 4
< 1431988685 119141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1431988689 412490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes? and this is the same
< 1431988694 901604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant DO ABSTAIN #1 FROM (4)
< 1431988704 961424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? 
< 1431988707 260703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that do?
< 1431988715 598130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like regular ABSTAIN but it stacks
< 1431988721 195398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ABSTAIN twice, you have to REINSTATE twice to match
< 1431988725 602454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
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< 1431988743 809243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you can DO ABSTAIN #2 from (4) to ABSTAIN twice in one command)
< 1431988747 894430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a C-INTERCAL extension
< 1431988752 136616 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1431988763 595086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c.intercal.org.uk/manual/rgnvnn38.htm#ABSTAIN-and-REINSTATE
< 1431988833 852143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL doesn't allow a computed line number in ABSTAIN
< 1431988839 358969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1431988840 568999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1431988847 460452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it has computed come from
< 1431988851 852431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't allow computed line numbers in most places
< 1431988854 98428 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is computed abstain more difficult?
< 1431988858 668043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL does, which I think is a shame
< 1431988885 874862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is actually not necessarily "more difficult", but it requires different code
< 1431988887 119730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I know it is very powerful and can't be compiled effectively,
< 1431988895 708570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, you know
< 1431988901 339996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :COME FROM aims at a particular location in the program, ABSTAIN affects a range
< 1431988934 456502 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't abstain sort of adds a come from at the statement, and makes it jump to the next statement?
< 1431988944 173603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's not quite the same
< 1431988948 933365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but similar
< 1431988952 84509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that's a pity
< 1431988966 203305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can do computed ABSTAIN anyway via C or Befunge? not sure though
< 1431988967 808576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks

< 1431988977 974588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1431988982 163684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"via C or Befunge"?
< 1431989003 969980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even mean?
< 1431989007 700667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what, I think the online manual is out of date
< 1431989014 826467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I added an FFI to C-INTERCAL, because I could
< 1431989019 194558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice
< 1431989025 823785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't seem to be documented in the online manual
< 1431989030 508146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the online version of the manual is just out of date
< 1431989038 59712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"could"
< 1431989047 133055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound like easy to implement
< 1431989048 445690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1431989058 267724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: things like this get implemented specifically /because/ they're hard to implement
< 1431989064 955640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1431989068 376591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, online manual's out of date, it's in the version in the repo
< 1431989080 392226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like computed come from and that equation solver stuff
< 1431989082 453734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, the FFI can't abstain and reinstate
< 1431989112 604770 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wait
< 1431989124 904652 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1431989126 601268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can just call any C function, doesn't that make the language trivial to program in? or is there a catch?
< 1431989192 315219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the catch is that real INTERCAL programmers will look at you funny? 
< 1431989199 840821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can: CREATE; COME FROM; extract CREATE arguments; FORGET; read variables; contain line labels; NEXT; RESUME; write variables; write to CREATE arguments; and NEXT FROM
< 1431989220 582898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the catch is that sprinkling INTERCAL control flow throughout your C (or Befunge, fwiw) will make people think you're insane
< 1431989307 380239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it help in case you want to play sounds with a INTERCAL program or to do other stuff that INTERCAL doesn't have commands to do but you do have C codes to do it.
< 1431989314 397834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the intended use
< 1431989326 39396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in as much as anything in C-INTERCAL has an intended use
< 1431989331 848012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inasmuch?
< 1431989406 51541 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a smuch
< 1431989422 389415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I just had the greatest FFI idea ever
< 1431989470 107148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an FFI to… CLC-INTERCAL!
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< 1431989566 343288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1431989573 183034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's scary
< 1431989580 839615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, of course, if you like to mix up many programming languages. Maybe you can even use such a thing in order to compile INTERCAL codes with SQL codes; I don't know how well it can do such thing or not though, since then you also need a support in compiler to make a syntax block. Similar thing may apply for adding BASIC/SQL/INTERCAL/C/Befunge/Lisp all together
< 1431989581 582275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean from C-INTERCAL directly?
< 1431989585 536060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a shmup, in a smuch.
< 1431989610 476512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, although the two systems are sufficiently internally different
< 1431989619 911925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1431989623 425955 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night
< 1431989632 255613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I think the easiest way would be some sort of server that communicates everything that's happening and translates instructions back and forth
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< 1431989813 893638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if it is possible to write extensions to dynamically link into SoX?
< 1431990297 85268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says you can add new effects and formats but doesn't seems to mention any way to load DLLs into SoX
< 1431990328 818556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was, but I can't find any details quickly either.
< 1431990413 839950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The libsox manual mentions something like: "sox_format_init function performs some required initialization related to all file format handlers. If compiled with dynamic library support then this will detect and initialize all external libraries." Although maybe that's just referring to libraries used by the baked-in formats.
< 1431990454 936336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This manual page is both incomplete and out of date."
< 1431990605 157283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does documentedly support LADSPA plugins as effects, though.
< 1431990625 858277 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2
< 1431990627 178772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Via the "ladspa" effect.)
< 1431990768 117335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I meant file format support and directly SoX effects too
< 1431990794 653021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how, although I really thought it was possible.
< 1431990913 494905 :a2!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431990925 71597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, my eyes
< 1431990934 779350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure quite what I typoed
< 1431990947 52836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was basically the equivalent of spamming alt-tab really really fast
< 1431990973 200255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I wrote my first SQLite3 extension the other day. Although I don't think I'll publish it, and I'm sure something like it already exists; it provides functions 'ip' (turns a textual numeric IPv4/6 address to a 4/16-byte blob), 'ip_fmt' (the reverse), 'ip_isv4' and 'ip_isv6' (just shorthands for length(x) = 4/16) and 'ip_in(ip, net, len)' which checks whether the first argument is ...
< 1431990979 293218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... in the network defined by the second and third -- as in, ip_in(ip('1.2.3.4'), ip('1.2.3.0'), 24) is 1.
< 1431990982 309077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using it for a network firewall log thing.)
< 1431991204 273128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't use 1.2.3.4 in examples :-(
< 1431991211 907768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that IP is apparently unusable because of all the traffic going to it
< 1431991229 990610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(someone put a server there for a while just to see what happened, although 1.1.1.1 was apparently worse)
< 1431991369 96064 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1431991417 575376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was unusable before I mentioned it on #esoteric, and has been reserved like that for a long time now, but fair point.
< 1431991473 112611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never remember any of 192.0.2.0/24, 198.51.100.0/24 or 203.0.113.0/24, though.
< 1431991600 556921 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1431991862 810965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use number which are too big to fit in 8-bits, as the example, and then you can know for sure is not valid. Maybe there are also some ranges already define as invalid therefore you can use it
< 1431991890 356517 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :256.256.256.256
< 1431991968 855664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: O, OK, well I don't really have a list of a lot of SQLite extensions although I have written a few. If you write the one to connect to internet might be useful though. Including to access weather forecasts and movie times and so on from SQLite command-line instead of from the web-browser and so on
< 1431991995 483332 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42963&oldid=42959 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+235) 10
< 1431992099 161383 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :70.85.67.75
< 1431992100 838010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However one thing that makes it difficult to use SQLite to access specific kind of data by internet is that virtual table modules cannot read LIMIT and OFFSET clauses.
< 1431992130 71203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The three that I mentioned not remembering are the three that are reserved for use as examples in documentation. (RFC 5737.)
< 1431992204 31484 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have the phone number 1234567
< 1431992206 218258 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1431992349 316382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably depends on where you are. I'm sure it exists in *some* system.
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< 1431992579 432961 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42964&oldid=42963 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-69) 10Fixed a potential bug with '
< 1431992600 695769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a friend with 654309, which was pretty easy to remember. As evidenced by the fact that I remember it still, 20 years later. I don't think it's been valid for the last maybe 15 years, either.
< 1431992665 530419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42965&oldid=42964 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+1) 10
< 1431992703 305399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1431992750 55805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One letter in 2600 asked what is the oldest telephone number still valid for the same thing (rather than now being different people's telephone number); a reply said that it is probably that of Hotel Pensylvania (which is still PEN-5000)
< 1431992780 696143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My grandparents had 21842 and 22859, which are also not so useful any longer. (3/4 are dead, and the remaining one is 300 km from the phone, if the line is even still there.)
< 1431992807 902455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be nice to reclaim the storage space used by these numbers.
< 1431992886 154138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the skelform.c and skeleff.c files of SoX which show you how to write the new format/effect for SoX but does not tell you how SoX will load them once you have written them.
< 1431993575 20841 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
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< 1431999135 684877 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431999138 875297 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1431999290 208656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tyshachaf
< 1431999474 700426 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Facebook page broke
< 1431999625 137729 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1431999629 616234 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1431999629 910464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 190121Z 35004KT 15SM -SHRA OVC037 21/19 A2991 RMK SC8 SLP128 DENSITY ALT 800FT
< 1431999640 374961 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfeuh. -SHRA my humid ass.
< 1431999852 720634 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1431999890 132360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK
< 1431999890 715960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 190053Z 26015KT 10SM OVC018 14/09 A3008 RMK AO2 SLP186 T01440089
< 1431999926 260296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what these numbers and letters mean but i like how there are so many of them
< 1431999969 251984 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are poetic.
< 1431999993 925070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that it would be useful to know what they mean
< 1432000007 186591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, lambdabot's answering metar requests?
< 1432000010 176651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was metasepia
< 1432000031 565196 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 NICK :tswett
< 1432000044 4362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been lambdabot for a while now.
< 1432000051 460854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia disappeared or something.
< 1432000132 968676 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_<'... it hasn't disappeared. well, not totally. >_>'... *whistle innocently*...
< 1432000145 685971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really think of lambdabot as being a #esoteric bot
< 1432000150 306700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, a bot that would add features just for us
< 1432000193 931329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, int-e runs it now.
< 1432000212 99093 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and int-e is oerjan's evil twin, therefore lambdie is esoteric.
< 1432000447 667309 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYB
< 1432000447 908820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `metar' failed with: connect: does not exist (Connection refused)
< 1432000461 431454 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't North Bay exist?!?!?!
< 1432000834 369874 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask int-e what is your plugin's source? is it the NOAA's NWS?
< 1432000834 370938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432000846 464114 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e (the plugin being metars hth)
< 1432000846 465073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432000861 669419 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e (METAR, if you prefer proper capitalisation.)
< 1432000861 738434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432000938 534417 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ALIQUOT CHICKEN
< 1432001191 34512 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432001258 193884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why CYYB doesn't work
< 1432001998 596701 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when does sean connery appear in buddy cop movies
< 1432002040 981398 :notfowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dmnpsfmfoskzqchc QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1432006885 688910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : technically there's an escape syntax but nobody uses it <-- the underload escaping includes absolutely no way of mismatching (), otherwise people might actually have found it useful...
< 1432006980 245111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523  technically there's an escape syntax but nobody uses it <-- the underload escaping includes absolutely no way of mismatching (), otherwise people might actually have found it useful...
< 1432006980 285515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432007415 606898 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I am nervous about my linear algebra exam in 4 hours
< 1432007557 142729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this exam will be determinant of your entire future
< 1432007598 33446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get nowhere without that basis, everything else is orthogonal hth
< 1432007824 738862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise IRC had pun threads :-(
< 1432007851 378960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not much of a thread if no one is joining in
< 1432007860 630844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm sure we've had them before.
< 1432008472 276752 :notfowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ffabwowlkwfbbysq QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1432008688 239645 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, my revision has been characteristic, so my knowledge is minimal
< 1432008742 215966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan alone is more of a pun threat
< 1432008839 834823 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as I only just worked out how to diagonalize a matrix...
< 1432008860 937258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you worked out why to diagonalize a matrix twh
< 1432008880 88994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can teach me linear algebra if that'll help you revise for your exam
< 1432008899 723794 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :no tdnh
< 1432008911 618711 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, I don't know why to diagonalize a matrix)
< 1432008938 667687 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it makes calculating the derivative easier, but by this point you've already got the derivative)
< 1432008949 676463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm playing snakebird
< 1432008952 429637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is too hard
< 1432009010 185537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it also lets you compute matrix powers easily
< 1432009014 157125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if the game is easy then it is not quite good enough
< 1432009079 849144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some good games are very easy.
< 1432009084 116548 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that may be true
< 1432009090 428980 :password2!~password@197.77.11.155 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432009114 608981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :another property of this game is that it makes my window manager crash
< 1432009221 104582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be good, that doesn't mean it is quite good enough
< 1432009311 229700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you know the formulas for fibonacci numbers involving powers of the golden ratio? they essentially come from diagonalizing [[0,1],[1,1]] and using that to calculate powers of the latter.
< 1432009320 276035 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh
< 1432009358 6461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I didn't know that!
< 1432009474 538860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that either.
< 1432009505 584063 :notfowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-zzrwxclxpexydbxz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432009559 556203 :notfowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-zzrwxclxpexydbxz QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1432009617 719518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What FPGA-on-FPGA implementations are available which aren't vendorlocked?
< 1432009663 847459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on experience with FPGA impls, I'd strongly expect all those to be vendorlocked (and quite possibly also containing logic bombs in the free version preventing them being used for anything important)
< 1432009698 423366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean free-open-source ones, even if they can't use Verilog
< 1432009715 501961 :notfowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-pygrubgvxtswudsm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432009726 922259 :notfowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-pygrubgvxtswudsm PART :#esoteric
< 1432009730 974243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are generally for academics
< 1432009866 479356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read somewhere about a FPGA overlay called ZUMA but not much details or download or anything like that
< 1432010031 529210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can make up a new kind of FPGA and make up an implementation of it that work in other FPGA too, and can also be made as the IC by itself later on too, and it is still compatible.
< 1432010172 706815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if FPGAs were used to test new FPGA designs
< 1432010332 470441 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-reuzpgjtgyfkppwu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1432010446 408991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen information about a FPGA built from discrete 74xx logics; maybe such a thing can also be implemented in a FPGA I don't know how well it works.
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< 1432011158 856705 :Guest80873!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jztyjzbzkihekliw NICK :Nihilumbra
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< 1432011504 620248 :Nihilumbrq!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuxlftohghelqmzo JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432011568 655958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How slow and inefficient is it exactly to make FPGA-on-FPGA?
< 1432011712 863385 :Nihilumbrq!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuxlftohghelqmzo NICK :Nihilumbra
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< 1432013287 731595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDF graphs don't have a "root node" like XML documents do, therefore I made up a way of designating something like a "root node".
< 1432013377 861619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way is this: A node with an edge of type  leading out of it is considered like a "root node". Do you think this way OK or what else your opinion of it?
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< 1432013621 567923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people that use RDF seem to hate it
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< 1432013759 104348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I get weather forecasts by ICAO codes (rather than only current conditions)?
< 1432013907 853418 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuxlftohghelqmzo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knees weak arms sweaty when your mom come home and make teh spaghetti
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< 1432014072 626550 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuxlftohghelqmzo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot fungot 
< 1432014072 747068 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilumbra: translation from plautus. ( 1850), produce the first and most respectable minorities in the house of commons
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< 1432014080 451266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART #esoteric :"go away"
< 1432014088 730237 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuxlftohghelqmzo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool
< 1432014094 576536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think that's what TAFs are
< 1432014118 490801 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuxlftohghelqmzo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bungling the boose 
< 1432014131 147502 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuxlftohghelqmzo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how does one learn the deadfish
< 1432014152 256790 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432014312 829500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please be more specific?
< 1432014360 52294 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuxlftohghelqmzo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1432014425 827230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: e.g. allmetsat.com has forecasts
< 1432014475 801102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and here's wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_aerodrome_forecast
< 1432014553 766833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i didn't know plautus wrote about spaghetti
< 1432014554 612773 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the chief magistrate derives all his authority from the people, as of almost every man who goes to them in the end the better for hearing sermons and joining in public prayers. but we cannot be surprised at the mildness of the atmosphere, that the act of king william, nor any fnord but " lights out." you do not propose to fill your magazine page with long words as it does. it is a grand and beautiful consummation, and i
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< 1432014966 809919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to fix my weather service on gopher to display both current weather and forecasts.
< 1432014998 187973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to support such thing with SQLite, and to allow many other internet services on SQLite.
< 1432015002 691980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also on gopher.
< 1432017082 167769 :viv!~glossbric@unaffiliated/viv JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432017087 644112 :viv!~glossbric@unaffiliated/viv PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1432021447 686642 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/dijkstracula/status/600361570288316416/photo/1
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< 1432021688 879269 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-21-19.42-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432021989 494703 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432022412 701708 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuxlftohghelqmzo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
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< 1432022748 175961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1432022748 375283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `metar' failed with: connect: does not exist (Connection refused)
< 1432022757 838409 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this again.
< 1432023034 527414 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432023298 913436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily I used aviationweather.gov which at this time returns one (non-working) IP more than  www.aviationweather.com; the latter is indeed an alias for www.aviationweather.l.noaa.gov
< 1432023298 914380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432023425 925659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1432023426 166955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 190750Z VRB02KT 9999 FEW012 SCT027 BKN040 13/11 Q1011 NOSIG
< 1432023450 770891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess this currently has a 2 in 3 chance of working.
< 1432023847 561553 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Random Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42966&oldid=42962 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+89) 10Added a small program.
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< 1432028694 806185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1432028804 595574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: mauke is a bad person
< 1432029082 934219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432030570 836306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did mauke do
< 1432030679 942470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing
< 1432030715 344767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you in such a channel that you would know?
< 1432030722 677473 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1432030738 772220 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/haskell/15.05.19 around 2:44
< 1432030824 576300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1432030829 361676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t `id`
< 1432030830 687191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘`’
< 1432030848 372521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what did you change
< 1432030855 418397 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info `id`
< 1432030855 419387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :.hs: 1: 1:Parse error: `
< 1432030873 427975 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reverted https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/commit/9783b17fb08923956aec3b440f68af50dc7f0701 more or less
< 1432030874 515835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's not actually an @info command hth
< 1432030884 692770 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did not, actually, update the branch yet)
< 1432030917 888997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Int :: *
< 1432030919 49027 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘::’
< 1432030926 16971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k (Int :: *)
< 1432030927 271517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
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< 1432030959 323529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t True :: Bool
< 1432030960 412132 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bool
< 1432031042 523645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well then you still have the ghci bug
< 1432031072 774855 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's really a ghci bug :P
< 1432031153 885674 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt that it was the best I could do to stop mauke without spending hours of time on the problem (which I should currently spend on other things...).
< 1432031164 10243 :lollo64it!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-21-19.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432031176 311820 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is procrastinating nevertheless, of course.

< 1432031185 23766 :Lorenzo64!~lorenzo@adsl-ull-21-19.42-151.net24.it QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432031227 276311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen shachaf
< 1432031227 325349 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is in ##crypto, #ghc, #haskell-gsoc, #haskell-infrastructure and #haskell-lens. I don't know when shachaf last spoke.
< 1432031232 297136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA*
< 1432031322 109292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I may disable it again. I don't know whether it was disabled due to odd behavior (like forgetting what a person last said) or whether it was causing other problems as well (say, leaking memory).
< 1432031323 391607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Int --
< 1432031324 402654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
< 1432031710 351949 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432032351 16683 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432032402 424489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bod ettermily
< 1432032600 18792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please contact your system administrator." ... haha. "Hi, int-e, did you, perhaps, move lambdabot to a different host?" -- "Why, yes I did, why?" - "Well, ssh is complaining that the IP address and ssh key of the host changed." -- "Well, that's to be expected." ...
< 1432032604 60821 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs.

< 1432032718 756856 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matørjan.
< 1432032735 47472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: at least your sysadmin is always responsive twh
< 1432032737 711005 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1432032737 711892 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 2h 37m 18s ago: I used aviationweather.gov which at this time returns one (non-working) IP more than www.aviationweather.com; the latter is indeed an alias for www.aviationweather.l.noaa.gov
< 1432032832 123171 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the .com there should be .gov
< 1432032847 654455 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. for metasepia I used ftp://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data/observations/metar/stations hth
< 1432032872 53413 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I changed the bot to use www.aviationweather.gov now, so the bogus IP should not cause trouble anymore.
< 1432032889 953 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1432032889 294989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 191000Z 14008KT 12SM BKN038 OVC240 18/17 A2979 RMK SC5CI3 SLP087 DENSITY ALT 600FT
< 1432032912 545565 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYB
< 1432032912 787211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYB 191000Z AUTO 23010KT 9SM FEW043 10/08 A2978 RMK SLP086
< 1432032918 505060 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1432032935 653425 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: HELLORin. lambdabot now answers to CYYB!
< 1432032952 890100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/blob/master/lambdabot-reference-plugins/src/Lambdabot/Plugin/Reference/Metar.hs is the (not yet updated) code btw. using ftp would be a bit of work.
< 1432033004 119149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1432033004 722694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 191050Z 12018KT 9999 SCT060 14/M00 Q1001 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 12018KT
< 1432033007 96194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the server name should be a configuration option really... oh well)
< 1432033128 942615 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: M00!
< 1432033190 305486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes DMM finally updated the mezzacotta frontpage with the new features

< 1432033299 611283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can finally use it as my daily starting point again
< 1432033461 771935 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432033531 847386 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42967&oldid=42667 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+108) 10/* Duck inputs */ Added names for commands
< 1432033882 198863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i don't think their new food review site is going to fly
< 1432033929 908187 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo!
< 1432034061 265250 :ORin!~root@nrba3-2.onlink.net QUIT :Quit: going to toronto
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< 1432037433 880669 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exam didn't go too badly
< 1432037449 470519 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover will be glad to know that I haven't got 100%
< 1432037487 29477 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will be glad to know that I've otherwise done reasonably
< 1432037497 354113 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably around 80 to 85%
< 1432037530 377322 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91-rdmsoft [XULRunner 32.0.3/20140923175406]
< 1432037533 114668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, Taneb. what exam?
< 1432037538 368127 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linear Algebra
< 1432037540 839375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1432037573 412180 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I forgot how to make a change-of-basis matrix
< 1432037582 987633 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or find the Jordan normal form the proper way
< 1432037587 277750 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"proper"
< 1432037598 295063 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way that gets me the matrices to transform it
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< 1432040134 477835 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( how hard could it be? )
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< 1432040916 64880 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I just forgot
< 1432040917 393044 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1432042257 233653 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432043261 595993 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? algebra
< 1432043292 232672 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1432043300 403236 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: Where are you?
< 1432043417 193583 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to know what kind of category algebra in the categories of something is
< 1432043782 339637 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432044345 697162 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whee. I survived my first ever pair programming session without *totally* humiliating myself.
< 1432045512 607937 :spatterworthy!187bcd2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.123.205.45 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432045523 366734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you hide the body
< 1432045527 638493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :behind the…
< 1432045531 958989 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, highlander programming?
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< 1432045534 446593 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Nice try!
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< 1432054415 561686 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 hours from marten river to tornto. pretty good!
< 1432054486 820742 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should go to toronto, it's much nicer
< 1432054925 107964 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Random Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42968&oldid=42966 5* 03Somelauw 5* (+13) 10/* Examples */  One code cell
< 1432055515 400504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing the "Frequently and unfrequently asked questions" section of AmigaMML now. Do you have other question to write on?
< 1432055788 870719 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why does my Computability and Complexity module seem so easy? I skipped most of the lectures and practicals"
< 1432055999 140956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why
< 1432056048 612297 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it is because I first got involved in computer science with Esoteric Programming Languages
< 1432056059 873399 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which involve the question of Computability and Complexity quite often
< 1432056080 237830 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I knew a lot of the content already
< 1432056123 503812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, perhaps it can be why. Esoteric programming is the sideways and upsidedown and twisty path of computer programming.
< 1432056162 55587 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this makes me quite good at figuring out what small programs do but I get hopelessly lost with large programs even when I know the language
< 1432056275 567262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is so far https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/amigamml/wiki/Frequently_and_unfrequently_asked_questions but if you have other question about AmigaMML then please tell me I can try to write it on there too
< 1432056297 907241 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, "What is AmigaMML?" is a more appropriate question I have
< 1432056331 769981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK
< 1432056413 476640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now I added that one
< 1432056446 48015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this answer is OK? "AmigaMML is the computer program for writing music in .MOD and .XM format, by using music macro language, and by working as a filter like UNIX programming design."
< 1432056460 4631 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe
< 1432056467 996931 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might check AmigaMML out
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< 1432057181 973050 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
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< 1432057710 289989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I added a few more stuff including the license; probably some people like to know these thing too.
< 1432059308 487639 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1432059360 385151 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, fnord fnord
< 1432059360 782317 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: " fables": fnord v. " fable" 16.), has told us, that the insolent cambridge pedant must be put out of the difficulty, again, a great man; and i feel confident from its antecedents, that it has never been darkness any thicker than that.
< 1432059424 770197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully the possibility to use CC0, Unlicense, WTFPL, and public domain, is acceptable to anyone.
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< 1432059901 171100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( What about people who only use software because of the thrill of violating copyright? )
< 1432059945 234819 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I think it is still copyright to zzo38
< 1432060019 325226 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I guess they could write to him rejecting all those licenses... and then continue to use the software, provided that the donation to public domain is ineffective.
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< 1432061621 848447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42969&oldid=42957 5* 03152.157.78.143 5* (+55) 10/* TI-BASIC */ Improved it. A lot. Also removed the unnecessary colons, since if someone enters them into the program they'll mess with the If statement
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< 1432070875 351491 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :27306424661949255331376994
< 1432070888 110323 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid wireless password
< 1432070933 156451 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it so long!?!?
< 1432071197 247191 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im' working on syntax highlighting for a few esolangs
< 1432071308 746742 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including syntax highlighting for the highlighting files
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< 1432071442 433381 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally, I should also make tools to convert hylytr files into the highlighting syntaces of various editors
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< 1432072106 622258 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimg.org/image/t2ldrmfo3/
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< 1432072340 314563 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1432072341 118568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 192100Z 22022G30KT 15SM FEW040 FEW055 25/13 A2962 RMK CU1SC1 CU TR SLP031 DENSITY ALT 1500FT
< 1432072384 911187 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYOW
< 1432072385 745314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYOW 192100Z CCA 29020G33KT 15SM FEW055 SCT070 21/10 A2971 RMK CU2AC2 SLP062 DENSITY ALT 1300FT
< 1432072403 789402 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: HELLORin. are you in Toronto?
< 1432072593 529014 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1432072663 777162 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ
< 1432072664 369091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 192100Z 28019G24KT 15SM SCT035 BKN045 14/06 A2999 RMK SC3SC4 PRESRR SLP155
< 1432072696 24941 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gad dang it is it fuchsia or fuschia or fushia
< 1432072764 221756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuchsia
< 1432072776 133795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember: fuch sia
< 1432072816 283549 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fuch. sia.
< 1432072816 905771 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: to this judge douglas answered that they can be exhibited justly, in inseparable union, the closest correspondence, and the majority of the young gallants of rome were eager for the appearance of extraordinary fortitude in his enemies, and to all that.
< 1432072833 510850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen to titanium on a loop for about 6 hours and say the first thing that comes to mind
< 1432072854 980371 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sings “I am titaaaaniiiuuum ♪”

< 1432072980 62778 :nsh!~lol@wikipedia/nsh NICK :EmmyNoether
< 1432072981 746022 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :stone hard, machine gun fired at the ones who run, stone hard like bulletproof glauhauhauhsss!
< 1432072992 739831 :EmmyNoether!~lol@wikipedia/nsh NICK :nsh
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< 1432073030 220549 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm apparently I don't actually know the lyrics
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< 1432076268 24356 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't understand how it can say my variable is "set but not used"
< 1432076269 249850 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432076330 582735 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's used as an argument to printf for god's sake
< 1432076369 746467 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the variable's being used after the last time that it's set?
< 1432076410 384242 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... I see. I accidentally two variables with the same name
< 1432076423 346289 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds warnworthy.
< 1432076438 655319 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is complaining that the one in the outer scope is never used
< 1432076475 212936 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was confusing, but only due to my own stupidty
< 1432076525 509958 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a warning about duplicate variable names would be helpful
< 1432076622 101170 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am resigned that warnings will rarely point out the actual problem in any piece of code)
< 1432076716 518619 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Warnings aren't problems; they're things that indicate that *somewhere*, the programmer has probably made a mistake.
< 1432077839 646787 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know well enough to not ignore any warning unless I understand why it happens
< 1432077845 235628 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, with reasonable compilers
< 1432078174 941651 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least I got it working. now my mod of ed has interactive edit in all commands
< 1432078240 754335 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they ought to give a line number
< 1432078251 113755 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the variable 'x', declared on line 100, is never used"
< 1432078429 495713 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says the line number like
< 1432078504 738494 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimg.org/image/ngxwsbk49/
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< 1432078737 124520 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellochaf!
< 1432078796 851191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that wasn't too evil of you hth
< 1432079161 879799 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from the logs
< 1432079191 614047 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see oerjan do anything evil (today...)
< 1432079707 370490 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> 2+2
< 1432079782 954295 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1432079783 653727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 192300Z 23026G35KT 15SM FEW040 FEW070 21/10 A2965 RMK CU1AC1 CU TR SLP040 DENSITY ALT 1200FT
< 1432079801 952372 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CU indeed. the sky is darkening at an alarming rate.
< 1432079940 120915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : @seen shachaf
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< 1432080227 885327 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen ORin
< 1432080227 886668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are in #esoteric..
< 1432080241 157944 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :..?
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< 1432080714 439569 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not a good idea to press ^A and then random letters to see what they do
< 1432080780 944662 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently ^Ak kills everything in the active terminal
< 1432080789 776386 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty useful actually
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< 1432081960 701949 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot are you a fungot made of light
< 1432081960 876739 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilumbra: another error, as it were, something exterior to the state.
< 1432082133 516889 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is, i think, made of fudge
< 1432082133 873092 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: book ix. fnord), and even the will; which, seizing upon the senses and imagination, in the states where it is fnord riots ought to suspend our judgment until the first effervescence is a little more besides. those pictures of beard's in that fnord little did i dream when she added titles of veneration to those of the body.
< 1432082911 110626 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the fungot is a vortex of fnords.
< 1432082911 752256 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: " no man can be pardoned for describing ill, for observing the world in all stages of civilisation. as one of these on making land came straight to london, inspected by the court faction, a degree of his confidence, to set apart and commissioned to be a chief guest on an occasion like this.
< 1432082990 108300 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilumbra: Nihellolumbra. first time I see you in this channel. what are your approximate coördinates and body weigh?
< 1432084388 275976 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CAPITAL CHICKEN
< 1432084570 318009 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will empty your body of your vital organs 
< 1432084592 241443 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cruor of your eviceration will cling to the ceiling
< 1432084603 825865 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways what did boily need from me
< 1432084879 480196 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :body weight, longitude, latitude, and altitude?
< 1432085076 292838 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432085097 522425 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :-56000,000 lbs. x -64157 y -651 and altitude is 78e+808^100 light years above earths atmosphere
< 1432085196 980981 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1432085210 668184 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is about esoteric programming languages, right?
< 1432085222 307703 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah
< 1432085242 999510 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, Wright
< 1432085255 290889 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-]++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+.+. and all that
< 1432085297 477360 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmkay, just checking
< 1432085300 626393 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why
< 1432085341 427146 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball why not?
< 1432085371 777977 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof that all bots are invisible humans that are really slow
< 1432085407 349749 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hackego isn't online
< 1432085511 229251 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORin: I'd assume the initial state of that cell is 0
< 1432085515 512212 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So [-] is redundant
< 1432085531 157096 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1432085535 661716 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in my screwed up C impl
< 1432085548 614299 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol
< 1432085564 950883 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just takes a pointer to the open stacka nd uses it as the tape
< 1432085580 856990 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I accidentally joined #esoteric on efnet first instead of on freenode (on efnet it's some weird culty religious thing), and fungot's messages vaguely represented the stuff in that channel. I wasn't sure if he was serious or not
< 1432085581 101960 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wright: your executive administration through the whole course of history and posterity, i care not, as many others had compared it, to engraft it and spread it over more territory. it was merely a continuation of the literature of britain.
< 1432085632 8438 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1432085632 786238 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1432085638 875546 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna join
< 1432085649 334373 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also esoteric means something or whatever
< 1432085677 77957 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. but I need it
< 1432085743 283660 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I left the other #esoteric right away, but they link to this guy in their channel topic http://www.amazon.com/Mike-Hockney/e/B004KHR7DC
< 1432085794 78808 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that taking a pointer to the open stack as the tape means the top 5 or so cells are unstable when you perform a . instruction
< 1432085810 889038 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. first cells
< 1432085867 217548 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432085870 848872 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example of unstable
< 1432085920 73227 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh I wrote a TI-basic brainf interpreter
< 1432085946 372744 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The meme cultur is real on this amazon page
< 1432085974 490321 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's efnets adress again?
< 1432085990 682828 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wright what server did you connect to?
< 1432086006 140639 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use irc.mzima.net, not sure if there's an 'official' one like freenode has
< 1432086044 827981 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Port?
< 1432086050 374061 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6667
< 1432086114 669654 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :666 illuminati
< 1432086121 746967 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol yep
< 1432086137 698247 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh goddammit, I visited that amazon link one too many times. Now google's giving me weird ads
< 1432086148 208948 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/simgad/17740892814984858553
< 1432086183 647439 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahah
< 1432086188 585729 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming
< 1432086546 470278 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to bad
< 1432086594 559480 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432086616 896146 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god its a free variabkle
< 1432086660 707153 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Okay; I was only there for a split second, didn't get to see them talking
< 1432086771 486436 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found my ti-basic brainfuck thing, btw! http://cemete.ch/p234462#234462
< 1432086795 77953 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432086830 600901 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I called the memory tape a 'stack' for some reason
< 1432087282 176935 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@marketingaroo.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432087392 392011 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :A stack
< 1432087479 38517 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432088535 812676 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432088662 524743 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432089044 345172 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1432089114 317260 :Froox!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432089118 972371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432089574 358124 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-frjroiixkkbpexsf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
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< 1432089749 749359 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1432089750 18819 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1432089820 750635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net$#fix_your_connection
> 1432089820 758381 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1432089846 505877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1432089846 515986 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1432090482 58107 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@marketingaroo.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1432091521 79241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen oerjan
< 1432091521 409878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is in #esoteric. I don't know when oerjan last spoke.
< 1432091700 75071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen shachaf 
< 1432091700 144619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is in #esoteric, ##crypto, #ghc, #haskell-gsoc, #haskell-infrastructure and #haskell-lens..
< 1432091716 61614 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen lambdabot
< 1432091716 113819 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm here. I'm in #fp@nith, #lpmc, #lysa, #learnmath, ##scalaz, #vinyl, #aurapm, #plaimi, ##megaharem, #lw-prog, #bfpg, #nicta-course, ##categorytheory, #hledger, #ledger, #csa_uva, #tanuki, ##villagegreen, #hscraft-srv, #esoteric, ##manatee, #unicycling, #scannedinavian, #mainehackerclub, #scala, #rosettacode, #macosx, #scalaz, #functionaljava
< 1432091716 220949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :, #jtiger, ##crypto, #jhc, #happs, #ghc, #gentoo-uy, #fedora-haskell, #gentoo-haskell, #friendly-coders, #macosxdev, #haskell-game, #haskell-freebsd, #dreamlinux-es, ##proggit, #learnprogramming, #learnanycomputerlanguage, #darcs, #archlinux-haskell, #haskell-arcade, ##logic, #yi, #numerical-haskell, #snapframework, #diagrams, #xmonad, #agda, #
< 1432091716 221838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackage, #haskell-beginners, #haskell-cn, #haskell-by, #haskell-id, #haskell_ru, #haskell.se, #haskell.ru, #haskell.no, #haskell.jp, #haskell.it, #haskell.hr, #haskell-fr, #haskell.fi, #haskell.es, #haskell.dut, #haskell.de, #haskell.cz, #haskell-br, #haskell-pl, #haskell.tw, #haskell.au, #haskell-llvm, #haskell-soc, #haskell-gsoc, #haskell-
< 1432091716 221891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :overflow, #haskell-in-depth, #haskell-books, #haskell-blah, #haskell-infrastructure, #haskell-lens and #haskell
< 1432091724 189815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: but i wanted to know when he last spoke!
< 1432091777 310369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e i think @seen has some verbosity issues
< 1432091777 311943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432092100 115180 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@marketingaroo.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432092822 94081 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@marketingaroo.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1432093117 942159 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this spam
< 1432093248 87245 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432093350 286613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilumbra: int-e reenabled lambdabot's @seen command, it's not very good at limiting output
< 1432093364 194302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when you ask about lambdabot itself
< 1432093396 219332 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432093435 989104 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it supposed to @seen what a user last said in any room or the most recent
< 1432093454 949140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most recent
< 1432093476 353988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help seen
< 1432093476 393396 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen . Report if a user has been seen by the bot
< 1432093490 329543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen Nihilumbra 
< 1432093490 330556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilumbra is in ##villagegreen, #esoteric and #haskell..
< 1432093513 220110 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1432093517 892798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it doesn't say when people last spoke any longer
< 1432093542 512192 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I suspected most bots have that function
< 1432093543 405609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen oerjan
< 1432093543 457992 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are in #esoteric..
< 1432093553 336280 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always in esoteric
< 1432093559 751315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALWAYS
< 1432093561 149384 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this your favourite channel
< 1432093575 280376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my nearly only channel
< 1432093587 206016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's one more, ##nomic)
< 1432093597 788447 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did you join esoteric
< 1432093600 875397 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I guess
< 1432093602 627305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not very active
< 1432093613 8122 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007
< 1432093615 911449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure.  there's also a way you could find out.
< 1432093617 379396 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around there
< 1432093625 576277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not quite, but close.
< 1432093633 846802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was 2006
< 1432093647 787735 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not into dredging through years of logs
< 1432093660 414865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a way via nickserv too
< 1432093662 694402 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just open all the logs and type oerjan
< 1432093678 793240 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice name
< 1432093818 582669 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Johansen is a pretty decent name 
< 1432093831 265527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the 2nd most common surname in norway
< 1432093859 450177 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've guessed Sweden
< 1432093870 757163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden would have been Johansson
< 1432093875 909103 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol
< 1432093891 994395 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does you client not accept ø in a username
< 1432093914 485894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's irc in general
< 1432093939 472528 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :May I 
< 1432093953 152293 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1432093964 247451 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why
< 1432093968 595062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although back when i got the nick, it was unix which didn't.
< 1432093981 412229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc is old, from the 80s
< 1432093996 10044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything needs to be backwards-compatible
< 1432094003 891537 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1432094015 425537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then they used | as a substitute.
< 1432094030 411147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks like ø in some character encodings
< 1432094038 184164 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1432094048 793002 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense
< 1432094051 481477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc was invented in finland
< 1432094056 511233 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1432094060 984270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would have been ö there
< 1432094116 410630 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh those suomalainens.
< 1432094178 377875 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's they staple food in Norway
< 1432094194 426175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days, pizza and tacos
< 1432094198 822125 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1432094202 298455 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very American
< 1432094215 496225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess we still eat bread
< 1432094235 735982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pizza and tacos is the general weekend snack
< 1432094259 914444 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stereotype for me alchohal and potatos
< 1432094272 662096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :potatoes are pretty common
< 1432094278 189706 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye
< 1432094292 774440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know what young people eat nowadays
< 1432094298 41953 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :'snack'
< 1432094306 209267 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I guess your age
< 1432094311 578322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was young, potatoes was a staple food, anyway
< 1432094327 261836 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :41 years young
< 1432094334 472122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit more
< 1432094344 292828 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :45
< 1432094358 667557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in about a month
< 1432094363 73552 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool
< 1432094499 48862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alcohol and potatoes, so does that mean you're irish
< 1432094503 947122 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1432094515 959723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION giggles

< 1432094523 111260 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1432094528 268854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot on :P
< 1432094532 928363 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0
< 1432094579 189182 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sixth sense
< 1432094606 814277 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting monads on film 
< 1432094615 236530 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it plausible
< 1432094616 526046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION spent about a month in ireland back in '98

< 1432094647 916221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds badly defined
< 1432094656 253880 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
< 1432094681 683756 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting lambdabots library onto a vhs tape
< 1432094693 75711 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :And shipping it to the government
< 1432094716 756112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a link to github would be easier
< 1432094727 108903 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :American government
< 1432094738 754074 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of stamps and packing peanuts
< 1432094797 230823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :peanuts stamps
< 1432094824 973276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by an old george washington carver recipe
< 1432094830 470158 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :An amazing factorization
< 1432095027 712045 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost connection
< 1432095050 554339 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to have formal departures
< 1432095054 131717 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night
< 1432095589 356732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :au revoir
< 1432096004 123657 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1432096550 325726 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432096599 557462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : because I accidentally joined #esoteric on efnet first instead of on freenode (on efnet it's some weird culty religious thing), and fungot's messages vaguely represented the stuff in that channel. I wasn't sure if he was serious or not <-- wait is that efnet thing active? we've been trying to find somewhere to point people coming _here_ for the wrong reason...
< 1432096599 729564 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he put the revolver to his forehead and blew a tunnel straight through his head. god forbid that i should call the material walls, doors, and windows of, the world worth speaking of, the influence of their priests; or where the priests who teach the common people is a bottom but for a short time the nation, and that
< 1432096624 613965 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432096656 613690 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Appears to have 10 people ATM.
< 1432096673 470455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does sound promising
< 1432096699 318577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the dalnet one we're already pointing to
< 1432096705 882083 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :They appear to also run a website and such.
< 1432096712 176096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1432096723 379041 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discussing that chat
< 1432096726 928010 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back also
< 1432096733 291151 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drank to much coffee
< 1432096747 515313 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe not the largest community, but certainly looks to be alive.
< 1432096751 501657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i haven't had any caffeine yet...
< 1432096763 327314 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno -- don't have a Dalnet connection going. :P
< 1432096769 731008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :might change it once hackego comes back, then
< 1432096793 44539 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk how you come here for the wrong reason, unless you join every esoteric on every irc you join
< 1432096815 707406 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want me to see how the dalnet one is doing
< 1432096822 119848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's doing that thing where it's not joining the channel again
< 1432096841 825188 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was having issues earlier
< 1432096844 637258 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Freenode is a popular IRC network and "esoteric" is more commonly used to refer to esotericism than to esolangs.
< 1432096859 156240 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1432096878 615457 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it at least sounds like something that oughta work.
< 1432096905 883953 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want people coming here for the wrong reasons why not make it +s 
< 1432096919 455731 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or would that be rude
< 1432096938 332588 :ORin!~root@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1432096948 840822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilumbra: it doesn't happen _that_ often
< 1432096951 169587 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a *massive* problem.
< 1432096971 814696 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make it seem so
< 1432096973 971149 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happens just enough we'd like to be able to say "these people might be more relevant."
< 1432096975 92224 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nvm
< 1432097032 412656 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very slowly entering numbers into a data chart to see precisely how good my bots speed is 
< 1432097039 723440 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432097040 986971 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should automate this 
< 1432097095 208121 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@xkcd 1319
< 1432097095 330829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1432097193 134541 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1432097225 441385 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432097295 719857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google xkcd 1319
< 1432097296 278599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/1319/
< 1432097320 772734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps not much of an improvement
< 1432097416 680249 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's caused by him wanting the code to do a perfect job like he would
< 1432097456 541144 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most jobs can only be automated in 95% of cases
< 1432097480 944471 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf + +++++++++++++++++++++++++[>++>+++>++++<<<-]++++++++++++++++++++++++++>>-----------.>-------.++++++++++.------.
< 1432097481 27617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Cake
< 1432097491 614360 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's a lie
< 1432097528 191555 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf +[]
< 1432097531 959246 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry...
< 1432097533 411171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done.
< 1432097545 951469 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1432097556 826124 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot solved the halting problem?
< 1432097562 948633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I left the other #esoteric right away, but they link to this guy in their channel topic http://www.amazon.com/Mike-Hockney/e/B004KHR7DC <-- ok i think i won't be visiting either, then
< 1432097584 85152 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't automate a data chart that's a scroll down I think
< 1432097592 221840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ox0dea: wrapping cells, presumably
< 1432097596 738410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1432097597 632501 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill just make sure not to make a mistake
< 1432097600 137155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a timeout
< 1432097601 848599 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: For shame.
< 1432097611 790008 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing it slowly
< 1432097612 818334 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ox0dea: maybe it has a logical loop detector  
< 1432097628 743471 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432097635 757239 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^10^100
< 1432097640 857676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1
< 1432097651 697511 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is running under haskell which iirc is used by lots of automated proof people
< 1432097660 384537 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could see lambdabot behind the scenes
< 1432097667 5225 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can
< 1432097671 965985 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that
< 1432097680 767488 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like its server
< 1432097693 527443 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk lambdabot is a pretty big bot 
< 1432097705 53203 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it just decieving 
< 1432097716 797013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric
< 1432097719 794017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ill just make sure not to make a mistake <-- famous programmer last words
< 1432097744 320899 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't jinx me
< 1432097775 411859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilumbra: lambdabot is on github hth
< 1432097795 169492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its server is just some vps int-e got
< 1432097802 30918 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes me about 3 days to fill these statistics charts out 
< 1432097808 215329 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 if I stay up
< 1432097814 572158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you even cut and paste?
< 1432097818 419555 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah
< 1432097820 555307 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCR?
< 1432097892 160191 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1432097916 713772 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The copy and paste works
< 1432097930 435322 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it just pastes it back into the box I took it from
< 1432097962 122466 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some weird barrier thing a friend made like 2 years ago and now I've forgotten how to take it off
< 1432097973 226258 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't copy into another window 
< 1432098036 67455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1432098045 587755 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't let me
< 1432098046 387967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like, pretty useless
< 1432098059 849190 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its so people don't take
< 1432098086 99124 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk if someone wants to re copy 76 modules by hand
< 1432098113 871837 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that topic about
< 1432098162 520744 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICP, presumably.
< 1432098217 578417 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really type in full sentences because its probably annoying, I just always hit enter for a new line a lot and I rarely use irc so not so good on manners
< 1432098444 806492 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like the people here don't really talk
< 1432098449 361335 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if they died
< 1432098462 710701 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they just left their computer on
< 1432098467 743920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION croaks

< 1432098473 941492 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap chicago just HEADED the puck in!
< 1432098496 58456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this ice hockey
< 1432098513 147367 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
< 1432098515 34048 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ref says no goal, you're apparently not allowed to head the puck
< 1432098526 571705 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodness
< 1432098536 62791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1432098547 182398 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm watching the NHL
< 1432098583 399327 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2OT 10 min CHI 2 ANA 2 
< 1432098897 832434 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rylrmhdelfmebmlx JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432098938 243485 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432099151 403751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the metre convention is 140 years old today
< 1432099488 314811 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one minute left in the second overtime
< 1432099924 987707 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :formally verified C analyzer http://compcert.inria.fr/verasco/
< 1432100685 964989 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is a hard language to learn
< 1432100711 383234 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it can be learned through tough thorough thought, though
< 1432100802 136167 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/^But/ and /though$/ are essentially equivalent, and thus mutually redundant, and so should not be used together in the same sentence, or even fragment.
< 1432100866 531130 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But redundancy is awesome, though.
< 1432100869 858643 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :First of all 
< 1432100876 772957 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :*leaves room*
< 1432100892 809587 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: Butthough
< 1432100902 788361 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye
< 1432100918 466635 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is but that same as though
< 1432100931 912166 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The*
< 1432100976 903528 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah just everyone on the team stand around in the crease
< 1432101011 828279 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilumbra: Fundamentally, they both indicate refutation of the component to which they're attached.
< 1432101030 586931 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :English isn't my first language
< 1432101033 814307 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But don't do that" and "don't do that, though" are equivalent in meaning.
< 1432101066 729912 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't do that, though" sounds ugly
< 1432101084 408959 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why its not common
< 1432101107 993739 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like saying don't do that, although maybe you could
< 1432101123 937148 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds a lot better but has different context
< 1432101135 757392 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do that, though you could
< 1432101156 811094 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, they're certainly not perfectly synonymous, but *starting* with "but" and finishing with "though" is indeed redundant.
< 1432101167 470253 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had hoped that using the regular expressions would clarify this point.
< 1432101219 14323 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you should've said /^But.*though$/, though.
< 1432101250 795378 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I address them as a pair later in the sentence, though.
< 1432101258 426550 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1432101266 613669 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with English is that
< 1432101291 366030 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are supposedly, but  not actually, any rules
< 1432101309 431159 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say a word a lot it sounds like utter bullshit and feels as if you are puking out random syllables
< 1432101328 863119 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not unique to english hth
< 1432101331 63684 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilumbra: That is called semantic satiation, and it's quite an interesting phenomena.
< 1432101383 610759 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phenomenom
< 1432101386 501956 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phenomenon
< 1432101388 824528 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck this language.
< 1432101403 667378 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fenominon
< 1432101420 409104 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feminist onion
< 1432101449 887445 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phenomenon sound like m'namana 
< 1432101458 662842 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the muppets
< 1432101477 835143 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect a lack of coincidence for some reason.
< 1432101517 635312 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its not that interesting because language is made up cats and other animals do just fine by making small movements to indicate what they mean so I'm pretty sure out one common ancestor did the same thing but humans had to be special and now everytime you say a word to much your brain realises wow this is stupid what am I doing
< 1432101531 778705 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I feel like speaking just wastes so much energy
< 1432101549 318053 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're serious?
< 1432101549 785286 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432101560 522276 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1432101563 535540 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^
< 1432101587 283392 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you edumacate me if I was
< 1432101633 481104 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you edumacate me if I was
< 1432101667 18812 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dies
< 1432101670 365901 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1432101712 332736 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ewfhqbuegiphldyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can speak English even if you pronounce each word incorrectly to piss everyone off right?
< 1432101834 111848 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Ox0dea 
< 1432101848 816200 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, adu.
< 1432101853 629136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eye donut sea wai anyon wood
< 1432101875 665770 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Android Marshmallow?
< 1432101893 396913 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too long, methinks.
< 1432101902 745849 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mars Bar, maybe.
< 1432101952 175168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why cameroon left the CGPM

< 1432101970 989629 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thesis ha why ink ripped alma come eunuch Haitians.
< 1432101986 495295 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly proud of that one, actually.
< 1432102012 682077 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but consider these: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41wpBoQexXL._SY300_.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/414iaF3eVeL._SS500_.jpg
< 1432102081 624849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits Ox0dea with the saucepan ===\__/

< 1432102120 142674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to communicate my headache from your line, you see
< 1432102142 874084 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that looks like valid SNUSP!
< 1432102333 795651 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just got it

< 1432102340 52014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this is strange with cameroon having still close relations with france
< 1432102348 443866 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(partially)
< 1432102362 27924 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about encrypted communications?
< 1432102364 585959 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is how I encrypt all my communications."
< 1432102370 635514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean north korea leaving is more like, duh.
< 1432102393 793148 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I never would have gotten that...
< 1432102403 798504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got it hth
< 1432102413 213243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NOW MY BRAIN HURTS
< 1432102433 539702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(partial disclosure: i may have had a headache already)
< 1432102459 286414 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving what?
< 1432102471 643157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the metric convention
< 1432102482 886745 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1432102488 43613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or organization, anyway
< 1432102500 293294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's complicated, they have 3)
< 1432102501 357543 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they using kim un's feet now?
< 1432102531 25495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is fairly likely they didn't actually change any measures
< 1432102565 70990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing them, they'd be more likely to declare his feet to be precisely that long
< 1432102608 767486 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I mean cars have had mi and km for decades in the US, but the road signs still say mph, too many to replace, not enough money
< 1432102638 653621 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432102646 793732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know the usa was actually an original signatory (although they took 3 years extra to join, somehow)
< 1432102653 670828 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1432102658 950443 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shame
< 1432102693 863264 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to be part of the solution, but I can't find any liters of milk
< 1432102713 468819 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all in stupid gallons
< 1432102726 940913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you mean cubic decimeters hth
< 1432102740 9764 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a difference?
< 1432102747 322843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm finnish spam season
< 1432102764 655278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: no but i'm not sure the liter is quite as official as it used to be...
< 1432102782 375026 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't it be?
< 1432102807 385263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"non-SI metric system unit"
< 1432102839 333247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't fit quite in with the rest
< 1432102843 486734 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like saying radians, sterradians, or lumens are not official
< 1432102919 161755 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once had a long thought about radians, and why they didn't fit in with the rest
< 1432102970 437720 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I decided that all the other units were vector ratios, but the radian is defined as an arc-length divided by a vector, and so it shouldn't even be defined as unitless
< 1432103106 866248 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the SI that says rad = 1 is incorrect, since rad = m(arc) / m(vec)
< 1432103149 32463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wat"
< 1432103157 163598 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in canada all milk comes in liter bags
< 1432103172 838516 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada++
< 1432103201 97599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bags?
< 1432103202 967123 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you buy a 4 liter bag containing 4 liter bags
< 1432103229 625552 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_bag
< 1432103240 959583 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a picture of a milk bag
< 1432103272 38851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norway they come in liter cartons
< 1432103299 45958 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have those too
< 1432103313 462690 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2-liter cartons
< 1432103362 885561 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually every week my family buys 3 of the 4 liter bag bags
< 1432103444 415568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1432103456 669268 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: are you in Canada?
< 1432103481 168251 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1432103492 434480 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Yes i live in Toronto
< 1432103513 784351 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: how often do people riot in Canada?
< 1432103589 893328 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps a more general question would be: what's it like?
< 1432103649 90771 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: that differs greatly between quebec and the rest of canada
< 1432103659 672694 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In quebec they riot a lot
< 1432103684 675111 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally in ontario we write to the newspaper instead
< 1432103689 200703 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432103727 353987 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ontario" is an anagram of "riot nao".
< 1432103741 527561 :Ox0dea!~Ox0dea@97-100-169-45.res.bhn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explain that one, oren.
< 1432103755 400855 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's an exponentially increasing number of riots in the US
< 1432103776 151311 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may consider moving to not-Quebec Canada
< 1432103949 62462 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, has there been one since the ferguson thing?
< 1432103960 150660 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't watch the news often so
< 1432103965 673897 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in Baltimore
< 1432104087 592756 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they burned a convinience store
< 1432104189 5662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :riot is just the quebecois word for party hth
< 1432104200 675768 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a citizen was arrested for having a knife, put in the back of a police cruiser, and when he got out of the cruiser he was in a coma
< 1432104210 16133 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see... well, Toronto did have some problems during G20/G8 conference
< 1432104222 241045 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2010?
< 1432104242 128253 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I suspect some of it was done by tourists
< 1432104319 964285 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wait, is the the right year
< 1432104343 102651 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah
< 1432104347 237057 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the G20 was in Toronto in 2010
< 1432104368 983102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: https://xkcd.com/605/
< 1432104378 879398 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppl don't like secret meetings for some reason
< 1432104392 751134 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, our police tend to control protests by being on horses
< 1432104406 261667 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and letting people pet the horses
< 1432104449 968304 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something
< 1432104500 156353 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1432104528 71664 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds so much nicer than LRAD
< 1432104596 614887 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is LRAD
< 1432104600 367027 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device
< 1432104607 20871 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States#2010s
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< 1432104683 347677 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like they have LRAD in montreal, but to be fair, their hockey riots are pretty severe
< 1432104697 994801 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they burn police cars and buses
< 1432104734 732207 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the habs lose
< 1432104839 532928 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I live pretty close to Baltimore, so it was on every news channel here
< 1432104867 709409 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like nonstop for 2 weeks
< 1432105048 777965 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1432105275 617177 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from our police system, there are other differences; we have a single-payer heathcare system, a provincial government monopoly on the sale of alcohol, quite strict laws on owning weapons, and higher taxes
< 1432105423 369084 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on what?
< 1432105435 464283 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently taxes are somehow lower here
< 1432105606 220107 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it varies
< 1432105720 123266 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fuck it, my dad does my taxes fior me anyway
< 1432105859 494762 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the main point is, alcohol is much more expensive. That's the IMPORTANT downside,
< 1432105962 861807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically it's like norway, check
< 1432105980 106708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sweden
< 1432106013 699082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait does this mean quebec does _not_ have single payer
< 1432106139 777560 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I was talking differences from the US where adu lives
< 1432106148 288457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1432106206 533604 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I've heard about taxes in Canada
< 1432106229 820238 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quebec does let their bars stay open later and you can drink at 18 instead of 19
< 1432106245 671490 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be why there are more riots
< 1432106249 416385 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432106477 824270 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so for example
< 1432106481 27830 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.humuch.com/prices/Guinness-Stout-6-bottles/______/727
< 1432106609 649299 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a "sin tax" on alcohol and tobacco
< 1432106691 676354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "healthcare tax", not "sin tax"
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< 1432110895 50804 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gambling tax however could be named "sin tax"
< 1432110905 250989 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they should put a sin tax on condoms
< 1432110921 882448 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since using them has to be declared a sin
< 1432110929 620216 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1432110931 835445 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong tense
< 1432110936 40711 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has been declared a sin
< 1432110943 997907 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by some pope
< 1432110969 152984 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and popes are the speaking tubes of god
< 1432111242 137681 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: meh, everything has been declared a sin by _someone_
< 1432111263 724634 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the gambling tax isn't sin tax either, it's idiot tax
< 1432111282 652532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, not really 
< 1432111294 53231 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gambling tax is a tax for the state to keep their monopoly in gambling
< 1432111303 126663 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but not everyone has the authority to declare something as a sin
< 1432111305 125198 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because gambling can get you lots of income, so the state wants to do it itself
< 1432111307 443127 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :only religious leaders can do that.
< 1432111329 668680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they make rules so complicated that almost nobody other than the state can run gamblinlg
< 1432111332 939878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they run all the lotteries
< 1432111336 775149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what's happening here
< 1432111349 962306 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you live?
< 1432111356 4131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just difficult because it's hard to regulate all the online gambling (casinos and sports betting) with online payments
< 1432111359 495954 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Hungary
< 1432111394 253074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the tax is part of these rules
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< 1432112426 298853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, why I people still writing “Check out this link for a detailed explanation.” instead of “Check out a detailed explanation.” ? Can't they learn?
< 1432112468 589699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or “Check out this link for a detailed explanation.” if they think their readers are still so dumb they don't recognize hyperlinks.
< 1432112484 105546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is not very likely because this is a computer-related context)
< 1432112586 745964 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are people liking this, so consider yourself lucky.
< 1432112728 211609 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I do that too
< 1432113132 19277 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42970&oldid=42967 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+951) 10/* Sample programs */ Added truth machine
< 1432113309 925294 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42971&oldid=41659 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+953) 10/* Implementations */ Added Duck Duck Goose
< 1432113640 703281 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You're evil.
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< 1432116275 392986 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I show that n^n is not in O(2^n)?
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< 1432117744 359750 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: (n^n) / (2^n) ?
< 1432117789 632481 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :has lim n -> infinity = infinity
< 1432117876 555036 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggesting O(n^n) > (2^n)
< 1432118310 468609 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If f(n)/g(n) for n -> infinity is infinity then f(n) > g(n), if it is zero then f(n) < g(n)
< 1432118316 542517 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's some constant then f(n) = g(n)
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< 1432119112 161149 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCBI's been getting a bunch of hits from this old course lately, I wonder what that's about  http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~nwatson/pa70/
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< 1432120067 786968 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/IZbs5gog
< 1432120069 550474 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :too far :)
< 1432120112 636062 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but brackets are too unbalanced
< 1432120113 42347 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1432120158 160854 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/eecSiuaC <- much better
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< 1432131049 139676 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Wright 
< 1432131058 641604 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the bot isn't here
< 1432131092 971055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1432131105 464259 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wright, welcome, this is the channel for esoteric programming languages. If you wanted the other kind of esoteric, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net. Check out our wiki at esolangs.org!
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< 1432136144 945388 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MiniMAX14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42972&oldid=31448 5* 03168.99.197.18 5* (+39) 10/* Example */ code implies   should be -3 ; fixed that
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< 1432150708 463566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How do I show that n^n is not in O(2^n)? <-- look at mroman_'s first two lines then ignore the rest argh
< 1432150838 323238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(O notation is subtle, writing it as confusing as he did later is painful)
< 1432150908 691627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a really great help?
< 1432150932 523679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite
< 1432151160 722474 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember having to do proofs of O questions from first principles. a huge pain
< 1432151260 689939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, fizzie and Gregor all seem absent
< 1432151265 949379 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g prove that \A x \E y s.t y^y > x2^y
< 1432151274 653734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although HackEgo is lurking in the shadows)
< 1432151284 36148 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen 
< 1432151295 774004 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@seen HackEgo
< 1432151295 775007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen HackEgo.
< 1432151325 268799 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :samn keubosd
< 1432151327 875576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't been here since @seen was reenabled, i guess
< 1432151332 924506 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn keyboard
< 1432151353 823771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cweilt
< 1432151557 527099 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :im tryumng tp learn tp toycj tupe bir imhabing problens
< 1432151588 730617 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to learn to touch tuype
< 1432151641 449735 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-deunxrxndrpgpbas JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432151675 523142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: great, what problems exactly?
< 1432151701 106928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried a typing game
< 1432151730 942813 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosrlyt nor hitting thr right keys
< 1432151772 518412 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you cam trll
< 1432151944 408884 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywayt i'm aure ill get berter if i pravtice a lot
< 1432153390 185900 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432154207 714705 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1432154437 622345 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing one of my friends play a skinhead from 1969 on TV is kind of weird
< 1432154912 610291 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432155217 915552 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1432155303 310351 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432155733 270849 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432155749 974639 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432156549 573681 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1432156667 362024 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432157266 365528 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1432157415 256367 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1432157659 823667 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1432158202 158100 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45E8C.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432158429 271325 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1432158504 731471 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A45E8C.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432158950 841182 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Churro14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42974 5* 0350.65.114.255 5* (+4346) 10Churro is a stack-based interpreted programming language in which the code is entirely made up of churros.
< 1432159007 366580 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Churro14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42975&oldid=42974 5* 0350.65.114.255 5* (+0) 10
< 1432159044 694268 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432159125 576409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42976&oldid=42897 5* 0350.65.114.255 5* (+13) 10/* C */
< 1432159213 885922 :evalj!~jeval@5403C31A.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432159524 698681 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1432159676 726821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let default (Int, Complex Float, Double) -- did i try this once before...
< 1432159678 73550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:154:1:
< 1432159678 74590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Multiple default declarations
< 1432159678 74625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       here was another default declaration .L.hs:130:1-29
< 1432159683 904777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1432160356 333743 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432160386 85672 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-deunxrxndrpgpbas QUIT :
< 1432160889 210214 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wsmammnmfkwmdfha JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432161043 867469 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added sane showing with precedence to idris. \o/
< 1432161044 359470 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                                     |
< 1432161044 361782 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                                    /|
< 1432161665 354689 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to figure out which files are affected by a bad sector?
< 1432161990 358769 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that orobablu depends greatly ojn waht file sytsem it is
< 1432162205 147000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently

< 1432162306 625630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie HackEgo has run off the channel again
< 1432162306 629091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432162327 989120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd @tell gregor but he's 19 days idle.
< 1432162400 374090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so confusing when tab completion doesn't reliably tell if someone is on the channel
< 1432163193 864604 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432163196 259368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hth
< 1432163204 246309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1432163208 905566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oren
< 1432163209 640129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house. He'll orobablu get the hang of toycj tuping soon.
< 1432163223 953656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1432163404 790445 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432164466 986669 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432164842 787233 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1432164929 676882 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432166924 911117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432168009 992789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds out that it's been just 30 days since last he properly looked at recent changes on the wiki

< 1432168034 243225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, that it's possible to expand it by editing the url
< 1432168187 526053 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wsmammnmfkwmdfha QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1432168385 525170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hauska on tietää lisää: Miten toimii kamera.
< 1432168392 624360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, that's something that always pops up in my head when there's something that could be associated with "the more you know".
< 1432168434 472466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the title of the Finnish translation of http://www.amazon.com/How-Works-Camera-David-Carey/dp/0721402550
< 1432169142 74353 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-atbejeqngdvsgexj JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432169313 199158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42977&oldid=42969 5* 0398.182.24.67 5* (-149) 10/* Java */
< 1432169646 772027 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@marketingaroo.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432169952 764260 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432170481 273576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42978&oldid=42679 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+15) 10/* Numbers */ put in context
< 1432170642 748912 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432170691 118681 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan.
< 1432170720 623196 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellochaf, helloren, quinthellopia, Tanelle.
< 1432170728 954757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoily
< 1432170760 279472 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally home!
< 1432170897 157019 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gibberish (programming language)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42979&oldid=42711 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+47) 10Time is of the essence
< 1432170923 850687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no longer adrift at sea!
< 1432170960 212914 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you consider the Canal Rideau to be some sort of sea...
< 1432171005 643941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks wet, checks out
< 1432171253 974989 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alphabetti spaghetti14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42980&oldid=42720 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+10) 10intro fmt
< 1432171363 649219 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42981&oldid=42976 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+0) 10/* A */ ala phabetically
< 1432171806 413589 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1432172516 557803 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definetely love thid font. i dont know why but I love thesr lowrt case numbets.
< 1432172707 925698 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rideau canal is cetaimly connected to a sea
< 1432172726 759600 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why have you corrupted oren? next thing you know he'll be fnording.
< 1432172726 971869 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but the rebellion fnord and now that i think i am going to say something remarkable, and truly manly, and reminds us of a company of merchants. i know, indeed i am ready to believe he is in the one mode or in the mode of conception. shakspeare is guided by the conditions under which the people thereof, shall on that day the following speech was made.
< 1432172805 418091 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm tting to learn to tpicj tyoe hth
< 1432172833 407744 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*touch tyoe
< 1432172840 278275 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord type :P
< 1432172840 279299 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*topuch type
< 1432172875 922108 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :godajnm iy!
< 1432172884 844424 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaa
< 1432172928 363137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dienfosh
< 1432172998 320550 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously how do peoole do this widtho8utr making mistakers
< 1432173019 710578 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :practice, practice, practice.
< 1432173033 513561 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, a few years of piano *may* have helped hth)
< 1432173071 324934 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dienfosh
< 1432173072 36808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dienfosh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1432173113 842800 :Wright__!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432173113 965291 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432173139 199691 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. dienfosh.
< 1432173139 566868 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PART :#esoteric
< 1432173150 162062 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MUTEX CHICKEN
< 1432173310 916015 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutexes atr hard to imlement. when i got mine to work it felt like dumb luikc mote than skill
< 1432173402 242396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Piet++14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42982&oldid=42754 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1) 10typo
< 1432173429 614111 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont look ar keyboard dont lookea keyboard dont look at keytboard
< 1432173469 955163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm my touch tyåing is a bit out of form
< 1432173477 871359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shape
< 1432173541 672218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait maybe it's just that i was trying too hard
< 1432173686 570798 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ttying too hard?
< 1432173706 71139 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*trying
< 1432173870 646101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, i type faster when i'm not concentrating too hard on typing :P
< 1432173899 186021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not exactly world class speed
< 1432174095 688361 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Befunge14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42983&oldid=42741 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+44) 10/* Befunge programs? */ unsigned
< 1432174684 30357 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-orpmewynspcknvfv QUIT :
< 1432174698 923057 :ocharles_!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bhhshfoenjlveylz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432174774 672073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SE14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42984&oldid=42762 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10Intro, resectioning, quine code
< 1432174874 657824 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@marketingaroo.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1432175175 357319 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07There Once was a Fish Named Fred14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42985&oldid=42763 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10/* Hello world */ wikify
< 1432175358 127048 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:ASCII art14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42986&oldid=42768 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+48) 10unsigned
< 1432175451 186930 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Lazy evaluation14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42987&oldid=42769 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+48) 10unsigned
< 1432175632 325690 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@114.111.166.41 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432175969 258446 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@114.111.166.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1432176027 597169 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42988&oldid=42977 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+149) 10Undo revision 42977 by [[Special:Contributions/98.182.24.67|98.182.24.67]] ([[User talk:98.182.24.67|talk]])
< 1432176340 315491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HeartForth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42989&oldid=42790 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+14) 10/* Links */ wikify
< 1432176375 250265 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HeartForth14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42990&oldid=42989 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+6) 10introfy
< 1432176524 185173 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :T am iound to t.p eo tkle tn Dqngar qithouh actuarrf ynorinb tt,
< 1432176535 483226 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which results in incomprehensible nonsense.
< 1432176558 417722 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am going to try to type in Dvorak without actually knowing it."
< 1432176576 960078 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From now on, I'm referring to Dvorak as "D'q'ngar".
< 1432176720 367796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you implying that dvorak users are secretly klingons
< 1432177015 490389 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Clue (Keymaker)14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42991&oldid=42800 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1) 10Fixing formatting since that's what my brain is awake enough for
< 1432177035 294180 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paracrystically.
< 1432177053 308800 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U kuje ti sguft ibe gabd bt ibe cikynb ub tge QWERTT jetbiard,
< 1432177078 796845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: now you gotta complete the rest of the double dactyl hth
< 1432177087 513948 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I like to shift one hand by one column in the QWERTY keyboard."
< 1432177108 161918 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, "jetbiard" sounds great enough that it can be made into my naming pool
< 1432177148 807420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jetbiard the flying viking
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< 1432186578 874523 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mind you
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< 1432189402 653061 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad
< 1432189403 630197 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors.
< 1432189537 185563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gonad
< 1432189538 200448 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonads are the best punctional fondlegramming squishcture.
< 1432189564 370575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw i was hoping for "Gonads are just gonoids in the category of innuendofunctors."
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< 1432191302 934902 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch
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< 1432193332 796757 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote zygohistomorphic
< 1432193332 975162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :comonad says: - comonad [~functor@zygohistomorphic-prepromorphism.endofunctor.org] has joined #haskell
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< 1432195680 506254 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ASCII art-14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42992 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+1461) 10Added ASCII art-, an [[ASCII art]] derivative.
< 1432195754 426069 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Vriskanon14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42993&oldid=42950 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+23) 10Added [[ASCII art-]]
< 1432195814 897324 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42994&oldid=42951 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+17) 10/* Brainfuck derivatives */ Added [[ASCII art-]]
< 1432195885 497395 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:ASCII art14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42995&oldid=42986 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+132) 10
< 1432195993 920604 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a vriska 
< 1432196004 305559 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck trash
< 1432196276 673614 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brb I'm fighting a giant snake
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< 1432196546 317854 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basilisk14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42996&oldid=42670 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+29) 10Category: Joke Languages
< 1432196591 688116 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[0742014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42997&oldid=42674 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+29) 10[[Category:Joke languages]]
< 1432196616 125760 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ASCII art-14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42998&oldid=42992 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+29) 10[[Category:Joke languages]]
< 1432196661 151783 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Executing a 41 GB text file
< 1432196683 383898 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jormangander or something like that
< 1432197024 473470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jǫrmungandr
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< 1432197398 339420 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank
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< 1432197764 642944 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fringespeak14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42999&oldid=42900 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+9) 10wiffy
< 1432197847 588596 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: welcome
< 1432197847 800939 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: church of ireland a bad institution. this may perhaps prove that we are entering its gates, in the same at judicious intervals, should eat the entire barrel at one sitting of the late payment of the premiums into small periodical sums, and also an fnord party, and even of her personal existence, and seems to consider as a trust for charity; and who, rather than in the former set, the population is from 125 to 250, or r
< 1432197903 387503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alacrity14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43000&oldid=42902 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+4) 10wookiefy
< 1432197905 187790 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hm?
< 1432197917 510854 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the f(n) > g(n) stuff?
< 1432197922 479850 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow fungot
< 1432197922 882540 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilumbra: i will teach you how to steal, so that i could wish, indeed, the most powerful, the most unprecedented, the most fnord of its professors must be every night exchanged for the hideous coats and waistcoats of the present alarming state of public opinion, and if it receives countenance by the most successful, because to-night we should particularly observe, i think. yes; it's seven. but that any condensation which does
< 1432197926 602617 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW
< 1432197938 842675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yes iirc
< 1432197977 290662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i think Nihilumbra is insulted
< 1432197977 468911 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the most decisive proof of mr sadler's proposition is. he asserts, and our love knows no distinction. under such a constitution nominally existed in france; while, in all seasons, and in one respect the analogy is very striking. as there always are many rotten members belonging to the dramatic, musical, and equestrian sick fund association."
< 1432197984 117382 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What's wrong with that?
< 1432198025 88041 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that there might be some n where f(n) > g(n) doesn't hold
< 1432198039 993101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: it didn't seem very relevant to an O() proof
< 1432198067 963713 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(n) > g(n) just means that f is steeper than g
< 1432198111 159337 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric : f(n) > g(n) pings me for somereason
< 1432198130 344079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it means that f(n) > g(n) for some or all n.
< 1432198158 119325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has nothing to do with asymptotics
< 1432198168 335929 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1432198170 596634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you put the right quantifiers on
< 1432198193 998167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and constants
< 1432198213 736396 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Big Omegas and Big Thetas
< 1432198299 137547 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :f \growsfasterthan g
< 1432198333 520666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Malbrain14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43001&oldid=42878 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1) 10fmt
< 1432198351 181254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a symbol for it, but it's not >
< 1432198425 689136 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres f(n) \elem \BigOmega (n) or something like that I think
< 1432198430 855291 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very ASCII friendly though
< 1432198494 845887 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Wepmlrio14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43002&oldid=42903 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+48) 10unsigned
< 1432198511 486668 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Wepmlrio14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43003&oldid=43002 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+1) 10oops
< 1432198704 691660 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wepmlrio is the laziest knock-off ever
< 1432198747 921629 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07APLBAONWSJAS14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43004&oldid=42958 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+7) 10bold, typos
< 1432198762 619986 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also...
< 1432198771 391862 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't ASCII-Art- just brainfuck o_O?
< 1432198844 461165 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like that
< 1432198912 66783 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's stupid
< 1432198915 833485 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i demand deletion
< 1432198966 873652 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Demand Deletion sounds like a good language name
< 1432198973 925730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Random Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43005&oldid=42968 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+5) 10typo
< 1432198979 72199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:ASCII art-14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43006 5* 03160.85.232.168 5* (+120) 10brainfuck?
< 1432198986 292741 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have no garbage collector, though
< 1432199006 135105 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that happens when 14 year old try to make their own languages :)
< 1432199063 756181 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs [[Category:ASCII art derivative]] imo
< 1432199069 341601 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... ASCII-Art even says that it's just brainfuck but ascii-artified
< 1432199083 167310 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you unasciiartify it it's plain old brainfuck
< 1432199118 26788 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also says it goes off of what the last input was or something like that
< 1432199127 57483 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who made it
< 1432199245 656826 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished the statistics thing I was doing btw
< 1432199253 792707 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What statistics thing?
< 1432199259 908530 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logs
< 1432199260 404731 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love statistics.
< 1432199310 135529 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making a statistics chart for my bot to see how it preformed when doing large tasks such as moving cores, 
< 1432199316 799026 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have to enter it manually
< 1432199320 897831 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it takes awhile
< 1432199345 553244 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :434.4 of 100k people in switzerland have cancer
< 1432199348 207911 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have to look over it and check for minor mistakes
< 1432199352 789121 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*male people
< 1432199358 278195 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool
< 1432199363 27448 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know that
< 1432199363 205587 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :179.9 of them die
< 1432199385 753341 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets just say four out of ten have it
< 1432199391 835532 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 out of 4 die
< 1432199406 892829 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 100000 / 434
< 1432199408 826151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 230.4147465437788
< 1432199417 323886 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 100000 / 230.4
< 1432199419 535187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 434.02777777777777
< 1432199419 713858 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Round it down
< 1432199426 815102 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1432199431 207354 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does math work again.
< 1432199435 293579 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idfk
< 1432199446 326565 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you divide that
< 1432199463 36282 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did it go up to its original number
< 1432199470 476206 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let q f (a,b) = (f a, f b) in q (/100) (100000, 434.4)
< 1432199472 323976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1000.0,4.343999999999999)
< 1432199489 498630 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 4 in a thousand
< 1432199492 455106 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually wth was I thinking
< 1432199505 104387 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could've used lambdabot for help
< 1432199519 429582 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :And shortened the ammount of time by like a day
< 1432199522 737637 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so 1 out of 1k probably dies of cancer
< 1432199535 962823 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you wish to know this btw
< 1432199543 922173 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the statistics was taken over 4 years
< 1432199545 361044 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1432199557 960790 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 4 years one of 1k will die of cancer
< 1432199570 552363 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1432199593 684283 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.
< 1432199599 442477 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a binomial distribution right?
< 1432199631 704994 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :asuming you live 80 years long
< 1432199633 810000 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 56(54)*7(8)/9+12
< 1432199635 556341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Could not deduce (Num a0)
< 1432199635 735143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     from the context (Fractional a,
< 1432199635 735208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                       Num a2,
< 1432199636 374509 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 20 trials of 4 years
< 1432199639 142769 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1432199644 340528 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well nvm then
< 1432199671 921326 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill just calculmatate thiss large ass number me self
< 1432199673 697675 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 0.02 if I can calculate right
< 1432199678 652557 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means...
< 1432199691 94014 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a 2% chance of dieing due to cancer in your whole lifetime
< 1432199699 240031 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well thanks
< 1432199703 234586 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dying"
< 1432199750 813641 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that imply that one in fifty people will eventually die from cancer?
< 1432199803 168125 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :18,828 bytes
< 1432199820 532655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i'd have thought it was higher...
< 1432199824 250724 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Persecond
< 1432199834 271590 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan better not get cancer
< 1432199837 420789 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill sue him
< 1432199848 501362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, everyone dies, and cancer is one of the major reasons
< 1432199908 258438 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 56*(54)*7*(8)/9+12
< 1432199909 934666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18828.0
< 1432199916 291380 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I was correct
< 1432199931 975889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilumbra: i _am_ a cancer hth
< 1432199935 122836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1432199936 793316 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuu
< 1432199942 884932 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUU
< 1432199952 530197 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok gnight everyone
< 1432199979 125322 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also mroman how much is 18,828 bytes converted to a kilobyte
< 1432200061 830877 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me.later
< 1432200063 798571 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 365 / 7000000
< 1432200064 153202 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night
< 1432200065 821727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5.214285714285714e-5
< 1432200075 69744 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :e-
< 1432200077 684250 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate this e notation
< 1432200088 18903 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what it means
< 1432200107 696246 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric : -5.21428571428571400000
< 1432200121 540707 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 18828 / 1024
< 1432200124 128986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18.38671875
< 1432200132 726034 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh waiii thank u
< 1432200286 679386 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mbxudzefstvthzyk QUIT :
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< 1432200693 999124 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :e-5 is just *10^5
< 1432200699 252324 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^-5 in this case
< 1432203112 371602 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:ASCII art-14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43007&oldid=43006 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+91) 10Yes, it it.
< 1432203698 139933 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idris has eager evaluation
< 1432203698 733339 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1432203967 928809 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Yes. edwinb likes it better that way. Laziness must be explicit.
< 1432204060 197710 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike beaver evaluation
< 1432204208 874326 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders the usefulness of making Lazy a monad.

< 1432204277 306742 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432205215 259124 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1432205227 412626 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use my school project and "clean it up"
< 1432205231 651508 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting rid of useless stuff
< 1432206059 694524 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432206274 134495 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it still works :D
< 1432206680 275628 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly wanting to get rid of MMU and Cache simulation
< 1432206684 345705 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then get rid of the interrupt system
< 1432206696 841743 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it will be a plain virtual machine of some sort
< 1432206982 414230 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1432207638 508230 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CORRUGATED CHICKEN
< 1432207888 551053 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:ASCII art-14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43008&oldid=43007 5* 03160.85.232.168 5* (+115) 10
< 1432208121 643404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: oh, what are you doing?
< 1432208460 417765 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My pre-bachelor thesis involved designing a computer and write an emulator for it
< 1432208479 879680 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :including assembler, disassembler
< 1432208487 90121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432208497 99777 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and MMU and CPU Cache Emulation
< 1432208525 707821 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPU Cache Emulation makes it rather slow :)
< 1432208538 620372 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1432208602 810899 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I thought I might get rid of superfluous features
< 1432208631 393500 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I'm already at thinking "wait.. what am I doing it for?"
< 1432208743 578630 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as programming projects go I can't really do anything useful anymore
< 1432208834 230898 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a45e8c.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1432211236 355258 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:ASCII art-14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43009&oldid=43008 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+182) 10
< 1432211339 469530 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1432211342 646366 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1432211549 144852 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CalScript14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43010&oldid=42935 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+8) 10Bold, typos
< 1432211656 949348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ASCII art-14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43011&oldid=42998 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+7) 10Bold, typos
< 1432211915 886469 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLOBOL was created in 2015 
< 1432211922 44634 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but was mentioned in an article back in 1984?
< 1432211926 832466 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1982
< 1432211931 441549 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can't be right?
< 1432211940 106154 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Lesser_known_programming_languages
< 1432212564 739914 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm
< 1432212635 54994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: the original article was just a list of names
< 1432212644 288116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one-sentence descriptions
< 1432212652 296616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some languages have since been created based on the descriptions
< 1432212656 41169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the descriptions came first
< 1432212657 840714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that makes sense?
< 1432212833 785431 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1432213026 835031 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432213081 603626 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does rust's new return &T?
< 1432213089 608100 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a reference
< 1432213100 787081 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm finally beginning to understand why some problem that looked like it might have a trivial solution but I couldn't find such a solution actually probably can't have a trivial solution of the form I was looking at. 
< 1432213121 935545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: rust's box normally returns Box, which is a different sort of reference which can be borrowed to produce an &T
< 1432213135 101415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't return an &T directly because it'd be unclear what you were borrowing from
< 1432213168 840210 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc::new(5)?
< 1432213172 931688 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that &Arc?
< 1432213208 196205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's presumably just Arc
< 1432213214 643198 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a value?
< 1432213218 270798 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a reference?
< 1432213226 256996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a reference, but it's not a borrowed reference
< 1432213230 228383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :& is for borrowed references specifically
< 1432213241 527786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can borrow an Arc to produce an &T
< 1432213261 24399 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1432213272 460508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference between borrowed references and references in general is, when you borrow a reference you have to give it back (i.e. free/unborrow it by the end of the block)
< 1432213281 988574 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I write a function that accepts some &Arc then foo(Arc::new(5)) wouldn't type check?
< 1432213282 915574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like Box and Rc and Arc and Gc have other rules
< 1432213296 412433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh great, the good part is that the result that shows this appears in a 2013 article, so I might not have actually known about it when I started to think about it (though I could still have had suspicions).
< 1432213311 634697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, you'd need to ask someone who's better at Rust
< 1432213318 857422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the basic concepts, but not the details
< 1432213336 578274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1432213387 502723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 4, 14, 86, 782, 9332
< 1432213388 185737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1432213391 850815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
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< 1432213445 556597 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 2%~ 4 14 86 782 9332
< 1432213446 183421 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 7 43 391 4666
< 1432213457 581857 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 2, 7, 43, 391, 4666
< 1432213458 31442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1432213485 745373 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 4, 41, 68, 287, 2339
< 1432213486 858460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1432213532 822592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I have good reason to believe that that sequence is O(n^n)
< 1432213555 203373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, oeis has surpassed 250000 sequences/
< 1432213556 294497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1432213562 765262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really large
< 1432214154 129033 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got A256001 just the other day
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< 1432214344 16251 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1432214375 439399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
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< 1432215178 712789 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what are you counting?
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< 1432215209 249031 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm not counting. ais523 has pasted some sequence.
< 1432215247 857754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas here as to what it is, btw? I was wondering if it was known
< 1432215262 659892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :came up at work, but out of something that would fit right into #esoteric
< 1432215262 970924 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1432215360 461808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaniwhile this is the article I'm looking at: 
< 1432215364 655239 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice algebraic topology result: Martin Cadek, Marek Krcal, Jiri Matousek, Lukas Vokrinek, Uli Wagner, "Extendability of continuous maps is undecidable", arxiv.org/abs/1302.2370
< 1432215376 412095 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably unrelated to what ais is doig
< 1432215396 556453 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432215423 674562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it there's probably a 1 and 2 before that, less sure though
< 1432215431 219636 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais' must be connected to decimal digits, for his second sequence is the map digitreversal of the first one
< 1432215450 859835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only sent one sequence?
< 1432215463 55072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mroman_ who digitreversed it
< 1432215471 988798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'd be very surprised if it were connected to decimal)
< 1432215480 970793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1432215484 873902 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, sorry
< 1432215508 586718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically what it is, is
< 1432215525 118086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I apply a mockingbird to a church numeral with side effects, it's the number of times that those side effects get evaluated
< 1432215536 808526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I give a couple of arguments to the resulting function
< 1432215551 323731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, which one has side effects when?
< 1432215587 634832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the church numeral, and upon seeing two arguments
< 1432215601 159810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. let c2 f x = print "test"; f (f x)
< 1432215618 118971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432215713 590930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the mockingbird is "let m f = f f", as usual)
< 1432215725 92938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, most languages I know of explode if you give them mockingbirds
< 1432215744 479781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been using one to test my type inference algorithm at work, the results aren't really pretty
< 1432215749 32064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> f f
< 1432215750 385149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: r1 ~ r1 -> r
< 1432215750 561415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Relevant bindings include f :: r1 -> r (bound at :1:2)
< 1432215750 561494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the first argument of ‘f’, namely ‘f’
< 1432215762 385415 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't mock a mockingbord.
< 1432215765 735709 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about weakly typed languages?
< 1432215766 30812 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bird
< 1432215771 33417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's idris-bot's prefi?
< 1432215772 776238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prefix?
< 1432215774 200360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@prefixes
< 1432215774 378269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1432215777 543367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes
< 1432215777 719455 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
< 1432215782 90246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I dunno, perl
< 1432215786 989331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t \f -> f f
< 1432215787 389957 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:7: error: expected: ",",
< 1432215787 566157 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ":", "=>", "impossible"
< 1432215787 566236 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> f f 
< 1432215787 566268 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ^           
< 1432215789 177380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
< 1432215796 805115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might still get into a loop consuming unbounded memory of course
< 1432215798 678416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I can't rememer how to idris
< 1432215803 49156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to perl
< 1432215808 556286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you remember how to perl
< 1432215811 510995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl can mockingbird just fine, IIRC
< 1432215823 429754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of
< 1432215831 307441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub mockingbird { my $x = shift; &$x(&$x); }
< 1432215845 368085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not quite
< 1432215856 448986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because the mockingbird is a perfectly well-defined function, it just doesn't have a sensible type in most type systems
< 1432215860 815714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean &$x($x) instead of &$x(&$x)
< 1432215890 488667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, i do
< 1432215892 54277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I do
< 1432215910 734423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell I've spent the last few days in languages which don't have separate concepts of "function" and "function pointer" :-)
< 1432215918 551704 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :&$x without parenthesis is some crazy stuff that you almost never want to write, except maybe as some optimization, and is usually a mistake beginners make when they don't do that
< 1432215931 424293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, /technically/ you can construct a reference to a function in OCaml if you really want to, but it rarely has advantages over an actual function)
< 1432215943 283636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub mockingbird { my $x = shift; $x->($x); }
< 1432215947 5204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy? :-)
< 1432215957 227617 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432215958 767708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm pretty sure I've found legitimate uses for &$x
< 1432215967 188410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in such cases, what you /really/ want is often "goto &$x"
< 1432215967 669855 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure, you might have
< 1432215974 799004 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write crazy optimized code sometimes
< 1432215984 913052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is so unoptimized internally
< 1432215988 695907 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type id id
< 1432215989 890362 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> a
< 1432215992 517482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's really a beginner trap that shouldn't have such a simple syntax
< 1432216003 239653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's because it was the old syntax
< 1432216008 38729 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type let f x = x x in f id
< 1432216009 193263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t2 ~ t2 -> t1
< 1432216009 369481 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Relevant bindings include
< 1432216009 369557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      x :: t2 -> t1 (bound at :1:7)
< 1432216011 287535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1432216017 136090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all for historical reasons
< 1432216031 683421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the fact that it's the old syntax is, of course, the reason it's worse than the new one)
< 1432216044 233252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1432216047 213583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair the & syntax is hugely more logical than the syntax without hte &
< 1432216055 439731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually prefer sigil dereference syntax than arrow dereference
< 1432216059 869360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use arrows only for method calls
< 1432216068 873289 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type let f x = x x; f :: (a -> a) -> (a -> a) -> (a -> a) in f id
< 1432216070 52375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type ‘(a1 -> a1) -> a1 -> a1’
< 1432216070 228598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                with actual type ‘a1’
< 1432216070 228658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘a1’ is a rigid type variable bound by
< 1432216071 447293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when it gives ugly lines starting with ${${${$
< 1432216089 938846 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh silly me
< 1432216095 428760 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type let f x = x x; f :: (a -> a) -> (a -> a) in f id
< 1432216096 762219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type ‘a1 -> a1’ with actual type ‘a1’
< 1432216096 938381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘a1’ is a rigid type variable bound by
< 1432216096 938462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :           the type signature for f :: (a1 -> a1) -> a1 -> a1
< 1432216106 675521 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I very rarely use implicit arrow between indexes too
< 1432216117 55772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use the full dereference syntax basically
< 1432216133 404843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I made a concious decision to move to implicit arrow in aimake a few months ago
< 1432216155 911132 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432216158 351609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because I was chaining /so many/ dereferences that it made more code fit onto the screen, and if you're using it that much it's easy to get used to
< 1432216256 803231 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432216273 476498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually write code such that I rarely have too many chained references though
< 1432216312 970546 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432216313 258174 :Wright__!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432216319 80426 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the crazy new arrow-sigil syntax
< 1432216326 827840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I also don't use
< 1432216395 708542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still experimental, so I doubt anyone uses it for anything serious yet
< 1432216436 114741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still experimental? I don't follow p5p these days
< 1432216442 74308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check
< 1432216539 116322 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait WHAT?
< 1432216557 110451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://metacpan.org/pod/release/RJBS/perl-5.22.0-RC1/pod/perlref.pod#Assigning-to-References
< 1432216563 534675 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they crazy?
< 1432216588 955987 :M_I_Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432216661 862310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how all the lexical variable aliasing stuff works because it has strange semantics with respect to closures and other scopes, something like closures getting their own copies of the pointer to scalar, rather than to the pointer to pointer to scalar, 
< 1432216691 199029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why aliasing lexicals is complicated and was kept mostly out of core so far.
< 1432216715 246708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: also the \$a = \$b thing was possible for ages if $a wasn't a lexical, but you had to go the long way round
< 1432216742 684435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but there it had easy to understand semantics … most of the time
< 1432216744 895178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, you can alias to list slices
< 1432216752 851330 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's only one pointer to \$a , from *a
< 1432216753 773906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so happy they added syntax for that, it's possible in previous versions of Perl
< 1432216760 906251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to steal the magic from @_, which looks utterly bizarre
< 1432216779 523491 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's some surprise that ($a,$b)=($b,$a); is optimized wrong if $a and $b are the same scalar)
< 1432216789 441663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: meeting
< 1432216842 342948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: definitely possible, there's a cpan module for it called Data::Alias
< 1432216883 565471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you're right, postfix dereference does seem to be experimental
< 1432217161 19900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, they even say “Aliasing does not work correctly with closures. If you try to alias lexical variables from an inner subroutine or eval, the aliasing will only be visible within that inner sub, and will not affect the outer subroutine where the variables are declared. This bizarre behavior is subject to change.”
< 1432217638 324110 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, the trams have a new recorded message asking people to use all doors for getting on and off the tram. I wonder if they mean a quantum superposition of using each doors.
< 1432217659 33441 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I'm too fat for that.
< 1432217786 105587 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they wanted to make Perl *less* weird
< 1432218200 906536 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432218904 849651 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well
< 1432218910 859676 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll hopefully become a music teacher one day :D
< 1432218922 63343 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a music teacher?
< 1432218923 694758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, why?
< 1432218943 879384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :teaching to who?
< 1432218953 251088 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously because my programming skills will be useless in a decade or two
< 1432219000 16340 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1432219014 924204 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1432219036 292135 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why "no?"?
< 1432219073 865679 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming isn't exempt from automatization.
< 1432219075 627738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know the basics, you can easily learn more stuff about programming in the future, and your knowledge won't become useless
< 1432219220 848422 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but programming has an "upper bound"
< 1432219255 349788 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point your programming skills don't matter so much as the knowledge in other areas
< 1432219264 863531 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I have none.
< 1432219287 787106 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point all the easy/trivial programming things will either be done
< 1432219289 509168 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or automated
< 1432219297 980385 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving only the highly intellectual stuff
< 1432219312 669233 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as writing physics simulation for the universe or chemistry or whatever
< 1432219320 276764 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which requires specific knowledge in those areas
< 1432219327 109784 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I currently lack and will never have
< 1432219362 44651 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because getting to that level of knowledge about chemistry requires years of studying
< 1432219363 916670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is teaching music better?
< 1432219373 868920 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually much easier to study a *real* subject first and then learn programming
< 1432219384 37630 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it makes much more sense
< 1432219391 570139 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, but I gotta do something
< 1432219413 915134 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides programming my only valuable other skill is playing some music instrument
< 1432219501 438949 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that since you have to work full-time
< 1432219517 49174 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have much time to learn a new subject to prepare yourself for becoming useless
< 1432219538 759051 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a serious issue in the way work life/economics currently works
< 1432219557 983938 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that some people will be useless in the feature but you don't actively can prepare them for that
< 1432219561 678392 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*future
< 1432219573 950561 :paul2520!~paul@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any recommended academic research papers (perhaps survey papers) on esoteric languages, or just prog langs in general?
< 1432219616 499921 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: for example cashiers are currently starting to becoming useless
< 1432219634 114492 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because shops are already trying to replace them with self-checkouts to some degree
< 1432219651 594221 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is reasonable to assume that in a decade not as many cashiers will be required anymore as today
< 1432219652 312006 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1432219693 149295 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that these people will have to look out for other things they can do
< 1432219741 810043 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, as long as you don't expect some resource collapse/apocalypse in the near future
< 1432219750 193460 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :me
< 1432219753 411881 :me!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1432219784 81 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only a very small amount of things a programmer with my skills can do
< 1432219791 78814 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that if we get a lot of automation, we'll actually go back to hand-crafted stuff to a degree.
< 1432219791 400597 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are a fucking lot of programmers out there
< 1432219804 549308 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes my job market value rather low
< 1432219812 578832 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decreasing
< 1432219859 296761 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since other countries eventually will catch up
< 1432219897 115216 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that my advantage over some programmer in another country will weaken with time
< 1432219919 879864 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly analytically speaking my career has absolutely no future in programming
< 1432219947 838622 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless some sort of apocalypse happens of course
< 1432220121 64407 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if things continue the way they are I'm pretty certain I'll be mostly useless in about 4 to 5 years.
< 1432220125 474714 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and completely useless within a decade
< 1432220515 327716 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1432222888 679706 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Programming languages" is a bit too broad to be covered by a survey paper, or even a journal
< 1432222944 981788 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are about twenty esoteric languages worth studying, which could be the right length for a survey paper, but I don't know anyone who's written one
< 1432223039 886917 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or any topical journal that would accept one...)
< 1432224000 677886 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Personally, I think you underestimate how long it will take for programming to be obsolete like that
< 1432224036 278004 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a couple reasons
< 1432224086 192728 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :biggest is that specifying how a program works is a big part of the program, and that is something that can't be done automatically
< 1432224100 792805 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least, not at the level you're thinking of)
< 1432224142 218563 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor manually, as it often turns out
< 1432224199 312673 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1432224219 439446 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in many cases, specifying what the program does amounts to writing it
< 1432224304 616894 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is in some sense impossible to improve upon, due to the halting problem
< 1432224334 659087 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way we're going to make notable advances is if people are going to accept "good enough" artificially made programs, but then you have to trust the definition of "good enough" selected.
< 1432224350 359575 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will be unwilling to do that
< 1432224379 636222 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reasonable attractive approach at the moment is genetic algorithms, and someone needs to design the evolution process and fitness metric
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< 1432224638 568432 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An example of someone doing that for BF: http://www.primaryobjects.com/CMS/Article149
< 1432224655 285175 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of GA as a feasible approach for program synthesis.
< 1432224726 106188 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if something more automatic is wanted, the auto-programmer could translate the specification to a fitness metric for a GA instead of directly itno code?
< 1432224847 64142 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometime I'd like to make a deliberately presumptious compiler that interprets (in the everyday sense, not the "language interpreter" sense") a specification very loosely.
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< 1432225727 775372 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Feasible approaches I've heard of: optimising classifiers (http://rise4fun.com/QuickCode), Hoare refinement (http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/sumitg/pubs/vs3.html), game solving (http://termite2.org))
< 1432225831 148919 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think GA can synthesize quicksort, for example)
< 1432226197 294187 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
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< 1432228011 417168 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how it wouldn't be able to.
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< 1432229547 150924 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BitChanger--14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43012&oldid=38479 5* 03168.99.197.15 5* (+10) 10bold name and linkify
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< 1432230869 379969 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is another problem,  which is that user interface design is hard, and judginf by the fact that it is done very poorly by humans in most cases, I don't hold much hope for automatic systems 
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< 1432231382 425764 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one believe that algorithmic problems are a rather small subset of the difficulties of writing a useful, good program.
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< 1432231794 67432 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43013&oldid=42971 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+29) 10
< 1432231926 906554 :undoall!~undoall@2602:306:c444:340:6c57:3b97:e26f:a0c0 PART #esoteric :"FUCK YOU CUNTS I'M OUT"
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< 1432232089 140995 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432233259 268258 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: incompatible types when assigning to type ‘struct va7’ from type ‘struct va7’
< 1432233267 127520 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,,, WHAT
< 1432233400 157931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: don't write int f(struct va7 x); before you declare struct va7; in global scope in C or C++
< 1432233437 645499 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then the type will be declared local to that one function, which is usually not what you want
< 1432233456 500637 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :...fuck
< 1432233469 78939 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to define the struct, only declare it
< 1432233479 428034 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432233505 599319 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, that fixed it
< 1432233506 138899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, maybe enable some warnings and then the compiler will probably warn about this
< 1432233516 156612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what warnings are for
< 1432233525 357244 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all the warnings enables
< 1432233550 525911 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it warned me but it went off my scrollback
< 1432233571 453562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, enabling warnings doesn't help when you enable so much that you don't read them
< 1432233609 356657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :disable or suppress the warnings you don't want to read
< 1432233646 744980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, , I get XP for crystal ball debugging
< 1432233660 45294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've practiced a lot with idiotic coworkers
< 1432233735 176284 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432233745 924090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously
< 1432233746 627984 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1432233795 113114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what config are you using" -- "the default config" -- "which default? there's multiple configs in the repository" -- no reply -- "but have you changed option foo" -- "oh yes, I've changed that" -- "how about option bar" -- "yes, I changed that too"
< 1432233817 749941 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should change my makefile so that it only displays the head of the errors
< 1432233819 170410 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- "okay, please send my the exact config file you're using"
< 1432233933 280629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they eventually sent the config after like two weeks
< 1432233954 735335 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GibVent
< 1432233976 113473 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. yeah, well... some people don't like to get helped
< 1432233995 127287 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if I had had the mikefile do
< 1432233999 649345 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but when it's my coworkers and it's my job to help them it's difficult
< 1432234012 102364 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -Wall -Wextra 2>err; head err
< 1432234021 601031 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I should have figured it out faster
< 1432234077 463519 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, there should be an option to reverse the order of error messages from gcc
< 1432234186 313909 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an error that occurs in the start of the build process is much more likely to be the source of the problem than one that occurs after 30 other errors
< 1432234309 533267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but compilation is sometimes slow, so in that case I prefer to read the first error messages while compiling that having to wait for the compilation the finish and then reversing the messages
< 1432234372 610342 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.. I guess piping it to more might work
< 1432234404 889888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432234550 995250 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38
< 1432235431 523026 :GibVent!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
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< 1432237685 354389 :nsh!~lol@wikipedia/nsh QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1432237839 990730 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsh are you a shell program?
< 1432237862 261817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :qping
< 1432237864 512546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping
< 1432237867 710636 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1432238036 706388 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432238210 480400 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432238557 695002 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to start using HTML in my IRC messages and just assuming that everyone's client understands it.
< 1432238740 833614 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should add votekicks
< 1432238770 787166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it is common, but you can do if you want to I suppose (my own recommendation though is that you mainly don't unless you need special formatting)
< 1432238947 647955 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOO >
< 1432239062 745444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: sure, use script tags too in case some irc clients actually interpret the scripts in local context
< 1432239095 419698 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: heck, and call DOM functions from them to edit other people's lines
< 1432239096 376560 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1432239137 764949 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: great idea!
< 1432239173 505033 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: hey, why aren't you using <b style="color:crimson">?
< 1432239186 166823 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page at freenode.net/esoteric says: AAAAAAAA
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< 1432239270 502719 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: <b><font color=dc143c> is shorter I think
< 1432239287 313359 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right.
< 1432239340 434234 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: because i am qriting trje code off topof mu heas hyh
< 1432239439 67824 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also just remembered i;m supposef to be learmimg tp touhc typw
< 1432239464 607222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"trje"?
< 1432239493 786746 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thr damnh it the
< 1432239517 99053 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's funny
< 1432239526 410581 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are typing on qwerty, aren't you?
< 1432239532 410511 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1432239596 154198 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'n rtyimg not to look at thr kruboard
< 1432239633 109133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1432239644 636604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you should do
< 1432239657 448804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can look at the screen of course
< 1432239716 955293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try to type in a steady rhythm, hit each key with consistently the same finger, and keep your hands consistently on the home row position
< 1432239783 152791 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ywah you know i just realized that ^H is easier to reach than backspace
< 1432239790 652129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1432240485 875833 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remap caps lock to backspace.
< 1432240656 224581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :remap every key to caps lock
< 1432240660 763166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximum unix
< 1432241055 487885 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :remap spacr + any letter to ^that letter
< 1432241553 869842 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :remap left foot pedal to control, right foot pedal to shift
< 1432241823 726492 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432241911 936261 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remap backspace to brake and enter to accelerator.
< 1432241984 650498 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :remap shift to clutch
< 1432242065 770525 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1432242073 242748 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1432242117 608760 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A, S, D, F, and G are the forward gears and R is reverse.
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< 1432243249 161085 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHould OpenCog atomspace be listed as an esoteric language?
< 1432243251 389852 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.opencog.org/2013/03/24/why-hypergraphs/
< 1432243275 34973 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The bad thing about the OpenCog atomspace is that almost no one understands that, ahem, it is a programming language."
< 1432243308 552802 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say most people not even realizing that it's a programming language at all makes it pretty esoteric.
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< 1432243408 756193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: sure. 
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< 1432244908 659083 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1432244908 939319 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1432244916 90335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1432244916 266383 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def   ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1432244923 41520 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1432244923 217621 :zemhill_!~cinch@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::1ea:f001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information.
< 1432244923 393675 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1432244969 549853 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help
< 1432244969 725937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands
< 1432245043 572755 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate
< 1432245043 788561 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
< 1432245044 211299 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c |  ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69   | c.c.c |   `\o/´69  ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c |
< 1432245044 387367 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/<  c.c  >\  >\|   |    /`\ c.c /|     |    /'\|/<  c.c /<
< 1432245044 765047 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  /'\                 /'¯|_)
< 1432245044 941109 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                (_| |_)             (_|
< 1432245083 682881 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GekDud
< 1432245112 992805 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a lot of bots
< 1432245128 915683 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( idrisVersion
< 1432245129 110159 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"0.9.18-git:626a37b" : 12String
< 1432245203 316225 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's j-bot as well
< 1432245209 683174 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know idris or J
< 1432245420 861239 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented simple string interpolation as a library in idris, did you hear?
< 1432245450 704419 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1432245450 995487 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a hard time keeping quiet about that because I’m so proud of my ridiculousness.)
< 1432245574 955491 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432245728 578944 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432245741 407923 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432245873 958208 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar, yes, I saw
< 1432245946 693673 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to help people learn about computability

< 1432246033 41170 :sam_w!~samw@unaffiliated/sam-w/x-9221759 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has his work cut out
< 1432246093 971821 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/orenwatson/scrip7/master/scrip7.c
< 1432246096 227185 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2015-05-21 22:09:11--  https://raw.githubusercontent.com/orenwatson/scrip7/master/scrip7.c \ Resolving raw.githubusercontent.com (raw.githubusercontent.com)... failed: Name or service not known. \ wget: unable to resolve host address `raw.githubusercontent.com'
< 1432246132 907572 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget 'https://raw.githubusercontent.com/orenwatson/scrip7/master/scrip7.c'
< 1432246133 585777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2015-05-21 22:09:50--  https://raw.githubusercontent.com/orenwatson/scrip7/master/scrip7.c \ Resolving raw.githubusercontent.com (raw.githubusercontent.com)... failed: Name or service not known. \ wget: unable to resolve host address `raw.githubusercontent.com'
< 1432246139 73744 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, I think it is whitelisted for URLs
< 1432246154 32247 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1432246177 434336 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432246206 364482 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1432246206 580445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1432246218 57185 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch https://raw.githubusercontent.com/orenwatson/scrip7/master/scrip7.c
< 1432246222 355497 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015-05-21 22:11:18 URL:https://raw.githubusercontent.com/orenwatson/scrip7/master/scrip7.c [21889/21889] -> "scrip7.c" [1]
< 1432246273 159852 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc scrip7.c -lm -fwrapv -o /bin/scrip7
< 1432246278 674959 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/ld: cannot open output file /bin/scrip7: Read-only file system \ collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
< 1432246295 258309 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc scrip7.c -lm -fwrapv -o ~/bin/scrip7
< 1432246296 596702 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/ld: cannot open output file /tmp/bin/scrip7: No such file or directory \ collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
< 1432246315 721537 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc scrip7.c -lm -fwrapv -o bin/scrip7
< 1432246318 994864 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432246386 177426 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'I=%ffffffffffffffff _pX' | scrip7
< 1432246386 858643 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-nan
< 1432246397 663948 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'I=%7fffffffffffffff _pX' | scrip7
< 1432246398 273598 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nan
< 1432246470 567761 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1432246470 895970 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432246483 801186 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm scrip7.c
< 1432246506 379432 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, I think you need a backtick
< 1432246517 139510 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm scrip7.c
< 1432246518 546085 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432246524 516008 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'I=%8000000000000000 _pX' | scrip7
< 1432246525 205634 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-0.000000
< 1432246633 513552 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'I=%8000000000000000 Y>1 Y=1 Y/X _pY' | scrip7
< 1432246634 151039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-inf
< 1432246656 242207 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :one over negative zero is negative infinty. seems legit
< 1432246719 70491 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432246721 913211 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'I=%8000000000000000Y>1Y=1Y/X_pY' | scrip7
< 1432246722 584240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :26:bad dest name
< 1432246727 599517 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'I=%8000000000000000 Y>1Y=1Y/X_pY' | scrip7
< 1432246728 370966 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-inf
< 1432246736 60245 :sam_w!~samw@unaffiliated/sam-w/x-9221759 PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 1.0.1"
< 1432246752 651981 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm why do I need a space there again?
< 1432246852 576376 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'a='Y a+30 a%39 _pa' | scrip7
< 1432246853 982686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
< 1432246864 367621 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "a='Y a+30 a%39 _pa" | scrip7
< 1432246865 88985 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1432246877 872122 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, Y is a valid hex digit
< 1432246881 321527 :GekDud!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1432246895 940564 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Changing host
< 1432246896 116894 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude/bot/geekbot JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432246945 340415 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "a='F a+30 a%39 _pa" | scrip7
< 1432246945 997490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22
< 1432246952 420408 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but F isn't
< 1432246964 944013 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "a='f a+30 a%39 _pa" | scrip7
< 1432246965 622053 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-7
< 1432246984 16723 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the hex digits then?
< 1432247003 544630 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I'm not sure
< 1432247009 431333 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be a bug
< 1432247027 659599 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RDF-fuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43014 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+2309) 10Created page with "This is experiment to make a programming language with RDF graphs like [[XMLfuck]] is using XML documents. It is like [[brainfuck]] because it is a simple way to do and becaus..."
< 1432247051 687832 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that the code somehow works
< 1432247072 269003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They made XMLfuck therefore now I can make RDF-fuck too
< 1432247089 443075 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I tell if 4^n is in O(2^n)
< 1432247136 70161 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :4^n/2^n = (4/2)^n = 2^n --> infty therefore it isnt
< 1432247224 269523 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "a='f _pa" | scrip7
< 1432247224 917915 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :102
< 1432247242 780778 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "a='f a+30 _pa" | scrip7
< 1432247243 412800 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-124
< 1432247247 923687 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA
< 1432247260 757507 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "I='f I+30 I%39 _pa" | scrip7
< 1432247261 440918 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15
< 1432247263 49005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page I just added to esolang wiki contains many external links although most are links to non-existent anchors on the page itself; a few are to W3.
< 1432247266 130145 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "I='F I+30 I%39 _pa" | scrip7
< 1432247266 721495 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22
< 1432247561 773648 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mark scheme has it more formally
< 1432247589 225103 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "J>1 J='  [ I=J I+30 I%39 Il15 _.I # Jl'~ } #" | scrip7
< 1432247619 719198 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432247639 160499 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "J>1 J='  [ I=J I+30 I%39 Il15 _.I # J+1 Jl'~ } #" | scrip7
< 1432247639 754224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​..	 \ 
< 1432247678 725984 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "J>1 J='  [ I=J I+30 I%39 Il15 _.J # J+1 Jl'~ } #" | scrip7
< 1432247679 447912 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0123456789:;<=>?WXYZ[\]^_`abcdef~
< 1432247688 921356 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the valid hex digits
< 1432247770 370667 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y is therefore the same as uh... 2
< 1432247805 471650 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432247810 366482 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come those?
< 1432247859 472645 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the hevily simplified formula I used was that if the caharcter i, plus 30, mod 39 is less than 16, it's a valid didigt
< 1432247909 54648 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432247917 826406 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this gives the characters 0-9 and a-f their correct values, but allows a bounch of other chars to be valid
< 1432248004 105170 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code above goes thru the characters from space to ~ and outputs the ones which are valid by this rule
< 1432248115 621228 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432248123 872810 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432248265 939765 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1432248266 577040 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-014.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432250029 977264 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1432250389 935019 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1432251404 473820 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1432251404 720557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 212300Z 22015G21KT 30SM FEW060 FEW080 FEW240 18/01 A2975 RMK CU1AC1CI1 CU TR SLP074 DENSITY ALT 600FT
< 1432251416 62441 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432251554 865789 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1432252017 850971 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone has any idea when the next IOCCC'll be?
< 1432252170 997668 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :International Offensive Creata-a-Contest Contest?
< 1432252209 256951 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a contest where the objective is to make a good contest.
< 1432252233 5463 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, I was referring to the less interesting International Obfuscated C Coding Contest
< 1432252312 746576 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contests are evaluated based on participation turnout, viewership and judge discernment abilitiy.
< 1432252325 510600 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or critera quality.
< 1432252335 969686 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obfuscated C contest sounds nice though.
< 1432253062 816949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432253517 930499 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDudello. the IOCCC has produced many mind-bending gems.
< 1432253525 784008 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my favourite is the tiling program.
< 1432253539 283108 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. do you still boardgame?
< 1432253563 396640 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On occassion
< 1432253573 850339 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or however many cs and ss that word has
< 1432253576 223645 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasion
< 1432253589 466790 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't for a couple of weeks, though
< 1432253592 307925 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exams and stuff
< 1432253625 227702 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the joys of studenting...
< 1432253662 265417 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got two more this season, both next week
< 1432253669 116858 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One on Tuesday about computability and complexity
< 1432253678 200380 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one on Thursday about groups, rings, and fields
< 1432253682 649267 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too worried about any of them
< 1432253742 982078 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go to bed now, though
< 1432253749 79833 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't get much sleep last night
< 1432253752 794821 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight!
< 1432253824 790587 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonne tanuitb!
< 1432256089 48021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 987
< 1432256089 704023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 987: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1432256651 953942 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432257029 927422 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1432257094 861219 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kasoldvwhbeoblhr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1432257115 820521 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thellochaf!
< 1432257143 887899 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qzgqezzllzhklejc JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432257681 689690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what is a godsmoot twh
< 1432257901 367652 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had some triuble renemberisnf what froups tings and fields are
< 1432258017 726823 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. still touchtyping?
< 1432258030 158350 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you'd probably be better off asking the fungot hth
< 1432258030 334465 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the comrades of washington projected this monument. their love inspired it. their fear betrays to the first faint rumours of this calamity pitt would give no adequate representation to moslem opinion. in bombay the moslems are fnord/ 4 fnord per cent.
< 1432258057 889634 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: first google hit here: http://mrtehcyborg.tumblr.com/post/116757446518/nihhussa-oh-my-god
< 1432258104 437683 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: http://www.keybr.com/#!game
< 1432258104 685922 :M_I_Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432258105 72192 :Prime!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432258111 234610 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Prime
< 1432258112 204188 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09Prime: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.)
< 1432258128 4045 :Prime!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :Guest77553
< 1432258269 602978 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432258321 275726 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CARMINATIVE CHICKEN
< 1432259561 519865 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432259919 431349 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1432261352 778475 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:XMLfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43015&oldid=29733 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+258) 10
< 1432261368 511815 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dad: "Hey oren, see if you can spot the gap in this proof." Me: "Uhh, is the gap where it says 'obviously'?"
< 1432261694 61190 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently my dad has invented a sport of finding crappy papers in supposedly reputable journals
< 1432261704 292713 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07XMLfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43016&oldid=15399 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+29) 10
< 1432261886 314057 :hilquias`!~user@187.59.114.63 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432261992 491746 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1432263416 1504 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you pronounce häagen dazs? 
< 1432264011 714493 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432264458 828822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is any free/open-source software to create MOD/XM/S3M that can use a piano-roll editor? I want to know so that I can add it into the AmigaMML wiki comparison charts.
< 1432265723 203131 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude/bot/geekbot QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1432266712 673428 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1432267747 176903 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1432269321 326934 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fynvrxhmtdscimtr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432269338 536707 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fynvrxhmtdscimtr PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/69uwy8ql.jpg I drew a thing
< 1432269795 800239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it supposed to be a picture of though? Some kind of strange person?
< 1432269844 505448 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fynvrxhmtdscimtr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right out of my imagination
< 1432269855 673940 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fynvrxhmtdscimtr PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I'm not working on coding projects for people
< 1432269864 886961 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fynvrxhmtdscimtr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually drawing messed up stuff
< 1432269986 554399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1432270012 825486 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fynvrxhmtdscimtr PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make the OK as if its like OK wow what a creep
< 1432270030 426884 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fynvrxhmtdscimtr PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's what you meant
< 1432270101 19112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I meant, OK you can make such stuff if you don't have the other stuff to do
< 1432270195 957424 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving...
< 1432270235 311922 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fynvrxhmtdscimtr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yeah
< 1432270317 791709 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qzgqezzllzhklejc QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1432270744 862092 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good mroing Nihilumbra. That looks similar to some of Frida Kahlo's more... esoteric, works
< 1432270902 168978 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fynvrxhmtdscimtr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's that
< 1432271066 758481 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frida Kahlo is an artist of 20th century mexico, the wife of Diego Rivera
< 1432271119 109887 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fynvrxhmtdscimtr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean it looks similiar
< 1432271277 735124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need an Ubuntu livecd
< 1432271284 908414 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks more like something on a metal album cover.
< 1432271308 386643 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait no, that deer with a man head would fit on one too.
< 1432271403 266561 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the little deer is the one I was thinking it sort of looked like, the animal-human surrealist morphing
< 1432271511 947318 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also she painted this one where her organs ther heart and lungs are shown through her clothing which reminded me
< 1432271575 320270 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu livecd? Well you'll need a cd burner and a blank cd, which are less common nowadays
< 1432271603 745598 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :only my oldest laptop has a bourner
< 1432271614 338179 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fynvrxhmtdscimtr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a lot of works on my computer but it got wiped
< 1432271635 237139 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fynvrxhmtdscimtr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm buying a new drawing tablet and re drawing some old stuff
< 1432271721 951792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh this website is so scummy
< 1432271742 607587 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A million download ads, and "Please note that SolMiRe does not allow the download of any uploaded midi files."
< 1432271746 685243 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in small print
< 1432271871 690569 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lktlzfjxnqxfvoqz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432271895 384323 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : what a scow
< 1432272166 489611 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1432272597 395852 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432273457 37104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432274293 218070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432274350 176857 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan. good mroing ais523
< 1432274386 296089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :godmoren
< 1432274392 448451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
< 1432274422 922802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohais523
< 1432274563 326445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric : oerjan: i've gotten to the metacircular evaluation chapter? | The chanteau | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/
< 1432274565 419303 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432275108 811688 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'O=8"*16hello a=11 N=8 aW1' | scrip7
< 1432275111 696809 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​16hello
< 1432275118 468588 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tte?
< 1432275157 11775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea what tte misspells

< 1432275171 359489 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'O=8"*13hello a=11 N=8 aW1' | scrip7
< 1432275172 69698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13hello
< 1432275205 246667 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whu dosnr this work?
< 1432275336 442233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiw sjiulf o lnoe
< 1432275421 361054 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'O=8"*13hello a=3 N=8 aW1' | scrip7
< 1432275421 996770 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13hello
< 1432275425 1774 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1432275565 602477 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so colors are with ^C
< 1432275582 847800 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'O=8"*13;12hello a=3 N=8 aW1' | scrip7
< 1432275583 467549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13;12he
< 1432275605 861425 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'O=11"*13,12hello a=3 N=11 aW1' | scrip7
< 1432275606 493670 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13,12hello
< 1432275610 684777 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1432275789 355358 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'O=12"**13,12hello a(1=22 a=3 N=11 aW1' | scrip7
< 1432275789 944943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13,12hell
< 1432275801 868670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh rjan
< 1432275855 166591 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'O=12"**13,12hello a(1=3 a=22 N=11 aW1' | scrip7
< 1432275855 807448 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13,12hell
< 1432275862 991050 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'O=12"**13,12hello a(1=3 a=22 N=12 aW1' | scrip7
< 1432275863 607246 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13,12hello
< 1432275887 327902 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bright colors can be used as background if you set reverse video
< 1432276013 710169 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'O=12"*76hello? a=3 N=12 aW1' | scrip7
< 1432276014 323319 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:bad dest name
< 1432276031 874236 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'O=9"*76hello? a=3 N=12 aW1' | scrip7
< 1432276032 545155 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​76hello?...
< 1432276088 879665 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'O=10"*208hello? a=3 N=12 aW1' | scrip7
< 1432276089 477644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​208hello?..
< 1432276105 43495 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'O=10"*208hello? a=3 N=10 aW1' | scrip7
< 1432276105 636962 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​208hello?
< 1432276199 985664 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'O=10"*99hello? a=3 N=10 aW1' | scrip7
< 1432276200 638215 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​99hello?
< 1432276299 726005 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's doing a %16 on it
< 1432276337 154405 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432276649 605286 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1432276798 849028 :hilquias`!~user@187.59.114.63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1432276883 949689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let cne 0 f x = modify(+1) >> return x; cne n f x = cne (n-1) e f x >>= f
< 1432276885 246922 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:193:13:
< 1432276885 422995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match type ‘Expr’ with ‘Expr -> a0’
< 1432276885 423053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Expected type: Expr -> Expr -> a0
< 1432276889 174852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep
< 1432276897 762304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let cne 0 f x = modify(+1) >> return x; cne n f x = cne (n-1) f x >>= f
< 1432276900 24623 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1432276949 667271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> flip execState 0 $ cne 2 (cne 2) undefined
< 1432276951 314449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match type ‘a10 -> m0 a10’
< 1432276951 490547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    with ‘StateT s Identity (a10 -> m0 a10)’
< 1432276951 490603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Expected type: (a10 -> m0 a10) -> StateT s Identity (a10 -> m0 a10)
< 1432276959 659079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t cne
< 1432276961 187528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eq a, Num a, Num s, MonadState s m) => a -> (a1 -> m a1) -> a1 -> m a1
< 1432277005 201982 :Nihilumbra!uid52684@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fynvrxhmtdscimtr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool
< 1432277022 79417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1432277757 533295 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'O={Maybe this will work?} a=3 aL'} aW1' | scrip7
< 1432277758 154055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
< 1432277771 321198 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "O={Maybe this will work?} a=3 aL'} aW1" | scrip7
< 1432277771 867555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​aybe this will work?
< 1432277784 774855 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "O={Maybe this will work?} aL'} aW1" | scrip7
< 1432277785 330740 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this will work?
< 1432278562 221712 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1432278562 231240 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1432278577 588540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net$#fix_your_connection
> 1432278577 596638 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1432278673 601074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1432278673 609857 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1432278699 948268 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432278998 80659 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432279018 300474 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1432281075 354481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, ais523. have you figured out a fix for the StackFlow interpreter over M:tG yet?
< 1432281082 824770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I haven't
< 1432281088 981373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a lot of other things to think about
< 1432281109 475139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1432282339 871546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : how do you pronounce häagen dazs? <-- istr those words are made up.
< 1432282375 233212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, "american", i think.
< 1432282378 37722 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432283162 961 :evalj!~jeval@5403C31A.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432283344 56387 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432283861 666711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1432284051 954596 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1432287815 143233 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed they are. They're supposed to look scandinavian, but neither the äa nor the z is really scandinavian... it looks more german to me
< 1432287844 125583 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not sure if äa makes any sense in german either
< 1432288383 762683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: no, I think it's supposed to look foreign for everyone
< 1432288387 304809 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :including scandinavians
< 1432288394 412683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can sell anywhere under the same name
< 1432288412 96872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why the name looks so riddiculous
< 1432288438 158174 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: good morning
< 1432288438 334241 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: the reason, too, have received instructions for the part i have undertaken as plain and intelligible as i possibly can. i want to tell you just how to do it.
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< 1432289420 995193 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: apparently it was danish that they tried to approximate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Häagen-Dazs#Origin_of_brand_name
< 1432289449 304563 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, at least Häagen-Dazs doesn't look as ridiculous in swedish as Frusen glädjé does
< 1432289507 313365 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: roger that.  Clear and intelligible instructions are very useful.
< 1432289507 612037 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the causes of that great and enlightened city, a run on the bank of england; whose credit had often supported a tottering state, and the waves run high, that the influence of these feelings, m. d'angers, the sculptor, his part in the memoirs of marmontel. many others might be fnord or not, before it can be done by a succession of absolute monarchs, guaranteed by irresistible force against the fnord heresy. but, when i 
< 1432289532 92790 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`style
< 1432289532 695003 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: style: not found
< 1432289533 936579 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1432289534 112758 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches* ss wp youtube
< 1432289536 274224 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1432289539 648168 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ach so
< 1432289563 131520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speeches
< 1432289563 307781 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg)
< 1432289577 942742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you sure they used the word fnord that much? 
< 1432289578 118743 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what are the elements of true greatness. of mankind i fnord the landing on plymouth rock? theirs indeed, were not merely as probable, but as evanescent, and that
< 1432289606 847249 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is all about the fnord.
< 1432289607 199366 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: " so you can see fnord all about where she has strained herself trying to do a lot of them; and i am persuaded that we have generally had a great battle which arrested the armies of europe, and also if they choose; but the executive, of france, who was generally the mouthpiece of the administration did i place more confidence than in the provision and distribution of the public weal enjoy high consideration, and i was 
< 1432289609 338225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: what's "Frusen glädjé"?
< 1432289651 239999 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: some competitor founded the same year, apparently, mentioned in the aforementioned article
< 1432289663 955799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1432289678 966859 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of them apart from that
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< 1432290676 180445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MiniMAX14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43017&oldid=42973 5* 03Ais523 5* (+0) 10/* Example */ typo fix
< 1432290775 970887 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MiniMAX14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43018&oldid=43017 5* 03Ais523 5* (+8) 10/* Computational class */ clarification
< 1432290982 819351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ä and é in the same word? ouch
< 1432291147 33751 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost like naivete?
< 1432291157 454419 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except with more dots and swoops and stuff
< 1432291176 405502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but that's a diaeresis, not an umlaut
< 1432291181 558909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly less mad
< 1432291196 286841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ä can't be a diaeresis because the preceding letter's a consonant
< 1432291220 304397 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence "almost"
< 1432291234 793159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, I guess you could claim that l is a vowel, but people don't normally use diaereses with vowels as dubious as that
< 1432291287 448801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can #esoteric help me feel better about mockingbirds, bt?
< 1432291288 839319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*btw?
< 1432291294 486430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried plugging some of them into my day job research
< 1432291300 711463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the implications are driving me mad
< 1432291309 190260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a tendency to explode type systems
< 1432291323 264369 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're a kind of bird
< 1432291329 94652 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I know
< 1432291371 35997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :explode how exactly? do they violate occurs check in type unification, or straight up try to unify two unequal non-unifyable types, or some other way?
< 1432291416 8207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you use more specialized less powerful loop functions instead, ones that are well-typed?
< 1432291429 673482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the occurs check is basically a hack that's designed to stop mockingbirds crashing the compiler
< 1432291431 738933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fold and unfold and the like
< 1432291435 990137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I feed them to my compiler atm, it crashes ;-)
< 1432291439 459683 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by mockingbird?
< 1432291443 533572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1432291445 326310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: \x.x(x)
< 1432291450 527973 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew
< 1432291468 780793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurts to look at, right?
< 1432291476 695014 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (a = a -> a) => a?
< 1432291485 151023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: anyway, in my current type theory, a mockingbird is actually well-typed
< 1432291487 699666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the double mockingbird isn't
< 1432291511 582837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I run through the type inference algo to find out why, bad things start happening
< 1432291530 995306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the double mockingbird? I'm not good in ornithology
< 1432291544 692074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it works by constructing a table of definitions, but gives two different definitions for the same thing, which nonetheless seem to converge
< 1432291557 747205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: (\x.x(x))(\x.x(x))
< 1432291580 553245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically the Henkin statement of untyped lambda calculus
< 1432291598 141879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you try to work out what type it has, about the best you can do is to determine that it has the same type as itself
< 1432291668 854747 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can you debug the compiler to see how exactly it crashes?
< 1432291684 434353 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, as in stack blowup or memory trashing or something?
< 1432291701 34144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the current algo is stack blowup, it tries to generate infintely many type constraints
< 1432291708 630692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a new algo manually
< 1432291722 739027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I can notice if things blow up before they exhaust my text document ;-)
< 1432291732 711157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432291760 856570 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is it really bad if you can't type something which can't be typed?
< 1432291777 433485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, you'd expect to not type something that can't be typed
< 1432291791 857313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you want to know why it doesn't type
< 1432291807 126302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that type inference for intersection types is equivalent to the halting problem
< 1432291816 579240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in about the most direct possible way, too: the term has a type if and only if it halts
< 1432291902 115829 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are all semidecidable problems equivalent to the halting problem?
< 1432291923 686189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1432291952 391057 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1432291991 104714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a reason why a semidecidable problem would necessarily be equivalent to the halting problem
< 1432291997 57689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amusing how that one is, though
< 1432292014 579757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem equivalence is basically never that astonishingly exact
< 1432292067 590005 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for semi-decidable stuff, there's this nice new algebraic topology result I've been reading: http://arxiv.org/abs/1302.2370v1
< 1432292077 176008 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Martin Cadek, Marek Krcal, Jiri Matousek, Lukas Vokrinek, Uli Wagner, "Extendability of continuous maps is undecidable"
< 1432292088 153635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, topology :-(
< 1432292115 431093 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I don't understand it either, but (one of) the results it proves itself is easy enough to understand (without proof)
< 1432292131 269444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's scary stuff
< 1432292144 73133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aa((!((aa)(!))))*:*^!**^a*^a*aa*(*:*^!**^)*^
< 1432292145 153046 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, I'm doing a module in topology next year
< 1432292149 535115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scariest line of Underload I've seen
< 1432292155 452746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't really understand it
< 1432292166 639501 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just looks like screaming, ais523 
< 1432292167 244826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan came up with it, somehow)
< 1432292174 240942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's an implementation of ~ without using ~
< 1432292192 607631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this violates my mental model of substructual logics
< 1432292192 783800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some similar results have been known for long, like that it's RE but not recursive to decide which pairs of simplicial complexes are homotopic
< 1432292213 457196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I like the way you can say "simplicial complexes" with the IRC version of a straight face
< 1432292271 129981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, we need more ad-hoc prove-this-interesting-language-TC contests
< 1432292277 794138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last time was resplicate, i think
< 1432292278 276944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? "simplicial complex" is just the easiest to understand finite representation of "nice" finite dimensional topological spaces up to homeomorphism
< 1432292279 977919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I think
< 1432292288 245505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was thinking of the name
< 1432292309 257414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like when you say "represented in binary" about integers
< 1432292311 812288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds completely absurd if you don't know what it means
< 1432292332 240356 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in computability yuo have to take care about how you represent stuff
< 1432292338 264450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get this kind of thing all the time
< 1432292357 436241 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, topology people work with really crazy spaces, but simplicial complexes are nice spaces
< 1432292373 424058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simplex is basically just a generalized tetrahedron, right?
< 1432292390 238608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1432292466 920817 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and a simplicial complex is a space given as a union of simplexes such that (1) each lower-dimensional side of each simplex is in the set and (2) any two non-disjoint simplexes in the set intersect in a simplex that's the side of both of those simplexes.
< 1432292494 494170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like a polyhedron of any finite dimension but without half-overlapping faces and star-shaped faces all those ugly stuff
< 1432292506 565244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically the way it can be simple and complex at the same time
< 1432292509 229367 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like fully triangulated
< 1432292517 107596 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's why it sounds funny?
< 1432292519 547315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1432292526 566296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have "simple complex lie algebras" too
< 1432292539 615949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, that's a different sense of "complex"
< 1432292602 284244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my favourite name for anything is still a macro from Perl: SV_CHECK_THINKFIRST_COW_DROP
< 1432292619 619867 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easy way to get simplicial complexes (and you can get any, up to homeomorphism) is to take n vertices (where n is natural number) affine independent in an n-1 dimensional space, and then any set of simplexes over that.
< 1432292626 48025 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1432292626 782156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there can be no uglyness.
< 1432292638 459144 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hellais523. what is it for?
< 1432292649 143638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just usually imagine simplicial complexes in lower-dimensional container spaces because they're easier to draw.
< 1432292661 964827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hehehe
< 1432292683 827807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the Perl macro? it checks to see if a scalar has special properties that would make normal-seeming operations on it not work; if the only such problem is copy-on-writeness, it does the copy
< 1432292688 249129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it isn't copy-on-write any more
< 1432292712 327225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, but what does the CHECK part mean?
< 1432292718 246562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it checks to see if it's thinkfirst
< 1432292731 796742 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so does this like return a boolean?
< 1432292734 427012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thinkfirst being a property that means that you can't do weird things to it, sort-of like the opposite of Plain Old Data)
< 1432292735 857850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1432292740 227793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1432292740 403953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also drops the cow as a side effect
< 1432292752 989598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432292774 916115 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scalar Variable Check Weird Properties Drop COW. makes sense.
< 1432292808 294172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain still expands "SV" to "scalar container", because Perl makes so much more sense with that mental expansion
< 1432292815 473831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the acronym doesn't fit then
< 1432292825 637173 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's a vontainer?
< 1432292845 458053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this explains why $x = 4 doesn't change any SV (just the /contents/ of an SV)
< 1432292864 953705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah (usually)
< 1432292883 794424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, unless $x doesn't exist at the time
< 1432292900 717772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it exists and is magical or tied or something
< 1432292903 30767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case a new SV is created, and placed in *x{SCALAR} (which is also an SV; hash elements are)
< 1432292915 393452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, if it's magical anything could happen
< 1432292941 154078 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, *x{SCALAR} isn't a hash element
< 1432292945 101674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how much of the slowness of my memory profiler is due to the fact that it's doing profiling activities during the main loop, and how much is just a consequence of making every single scalar magical
< 1432292953 162606 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean $somepackage::{x} as the hash element?
< 1432292964 804928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right, I do
< 1432292972 767276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :($somepackage::{x} /is/ *x, right?)
< 1432292973 93814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1432292982 239402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, usually
< 1432292990 291785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, is it *x or \*x?
< 1432293008 514806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counting the number of containers involved in something can be weird
< 1432293019 426221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because you can put an array in an SV just fine; you're not meant to but it works
< 1432293022 36418 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can also be one of two magical optimization values: a reference to a scalar or a reference to a sub, or something
< 1432293036 930583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it can just not exist yet
< 1432293040 973250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so if you avoid having two variables with the same name, the program is faster?
< 1432293042 974433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in the pair doesn't exist int he hash)
< 1432293045 310900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl optimizations always sound so weird
< 1432293054 973943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no
< 1432293064 469855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because their purpose is to make Perl work vaguely like other languages, as opposed to what would normally be considered a variable
< 1432293073 939414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the optimization applies for constants only, which somehow magically work as both a sub and a scalar
< 1432293074 191013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well if you have both $x and @x, then *x will need to be an actual glob
< 1432293084 981559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that'd make sense
< 1432293092 718039 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I think if you have $x as a plain package variable then it has to be an actual glob
< 1432293098 565690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :constants are subs internally, for most purposes
< 1432293100 938730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nad if you have @x then it _definitely_ has to be an actual glob
< 1432293107 66742 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly $x has to exist as well
< 1432293109 460894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the ruling was "currently they're subs but that might change in future"
< 1432293112 673939 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, automtaically exist
< 1432293123 741284 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I mean you can access them as scalar 
< 1432293125 227755 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check
< 1432293139 965979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e print $]
< 1432293140 572860 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.014002
< 1432293150 431400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1432293164 177177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both at a) that being old, and b) my reaction on realising 5.14 is old
< 1432293168 415034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl really has been releasing a lot recently
< 1432293185 909471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :every year, yes
< 1432293190 161424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :every May
< 1432293206 719889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just look at Linux, do you know what version number they're at? 5.0
< 1432293209 229974 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even look right
< 1432293212 797505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1432293215 84109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.0?
< 1432293217 262503 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't follow
< 1432293227 175468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.0
< 1432293238 865692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Linus announced a new policy of incrementing the major version number whenever he feels like it, without any particular significance
< 1432293248 518983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise it seemed doomed to stick at 2 indefinitely
< 1432293257 337127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they bumped the version number to 3.0, some user processes or libraries balked because they expected the uname to be 2.6.*
< 1432293266 160476 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe 2.* or something
< 1432293282 776486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I know
< 1432293283 88222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good argument for doing it more often
< 1432293299 884499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you end up with the Windows 10 issue
< 1432293305 93246 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, probably
< 1432293312 565649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen such a problem at work
< 1432293322 540375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a moment let me try this perl stuff still
< 1432293352 936887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1432293381 200397 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it
< 1432293387 132212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :glob stuff is complicated
< 1432293388 762300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1432293426 815343 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I've created video files that are encoded with fake timestamps, and you had to convert between the real timestamp and the fake timestamp using an auxiliary file
< 1432293478 303842 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem is, I chose the wrong frame rate for the fake timestamps, and at the point when the stuff started to work, the real timestamps were very uniform linearly distributed and at the exact same framerate as the fake timestamp.
< 1432293487 983640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conversions were wrong at some points but because of this we didn't notice.
< 1432293502 756168 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chose the wrong framerate for the fake stuff because it was too correct.
< 1432293518 729490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later we got videos with higher real framerate, and the errors started to show.
< 1432293712 276056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can even blame myself because there was a time when I should have foreseen that this would happen and could have changed the fake timestamp framerate.
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< 1432294624 853128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised that `perl -e worked, since due to ` it had the effect of  perl '-e print $]'  -- I guess Perl's just being very unpicky about arguments.
< 1432294627 831496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname -a
< 1432294629 757290 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux
< 1432294643 128184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That would've been fine either way, of course, since it only has the one argument.)
< 1432294675 498143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Perl's generally fine with argument stacking
< 1432294803 669470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although perldoc perlrun synopsis doesn't really suggest that. It's got e.g.  [ -Fpattern ]  but for -e it has  [ [-e|-E] 'command' ]  which makes it look like it "should" be separate.
< 1432294906 293682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess the difference is that for e.g. -F it can't be separated, while -e is fine either way.
< 1432295375 326381 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why would that not work? most programs can take the argument for a switch in the same command-line argument or a different command-line argument
< 1432295381 897602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: eg. either perl -e foo or perl -efoo works
< 1432295392 863199 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few programs are more picky, but most aren't
< 1432295480 329580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I've just run across the picky ones more often than is standard. Although I can't recall any particular examples.
< 1432295505 738260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usual suspects (sed, dc) seem to be friendly, too.
< 1432295564 106841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or maybe you just usually used a separate arg
< 1432295589 789805 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, perl is parsing its command-line arguments in an untypical way, mostly to make shebang magic easier, but this isn't an example for it
< 1432295638 889380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to quote POSIX: "The Utility Syntax Guidelines in Utility Syntax Guidelines require that the option be a separate argument from its option-argument, but there are some exceptions in IEEE Std 1003.1-2001 to ensure continued operation of historical applications: --"
< 1432295654 850998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the SYNOPSIS of a standard utility shows a  between an option and option-argument (as with [ -c option_argument] in the example), a conforming application shall use separate arguments for that option and its option-argument."
< 1432295714 141815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok... but still, at least gnu programs usually call the libc getopt_long function which behaves this way.
< 1432295716 573005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX's option syntax is basically not used by anything, though
< 1432295722 431536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayacc uses it, but that shouldn't really be surprising
< 1432295738 168155 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except of course gcc which has a more complicated syntax for historical reasons
< 1432295740 126473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does explicitly allow the "normal" getopt way.
< 1432295741 727189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the only time I've found Getopt::Std to be useful
< 1432295745 697223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A standard utility may also be implemented to operate correctly when the required separation into multiple arguments is violated by a non-conforming application."
< 1432295887 288096 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never used Getopt::Std in perl. I used Getopt::Long many times, though its default settings are idiotic (accepts + as an option starter) so I always cargo-cult this from a previous program:
< 1432295892 870922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getopt::Long::Configure "bundling", "gnu_compat", "prefix_pattern=(--|-)";
< 1432295955 426058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like those programs that accept -foo to enable foo, and +foo to disable foo. They are delightfully unintuitive.
< 1432296004 421293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wish programs started to use -t- as the negation of -t
< 1432296022 58130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the hyphen can't be used as an option letter because of -- anyway, so this seems like the obvious syntax
< 1432296026 640569 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no-one I've seen is using it
< 1432296037 474046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just using --no-foo as the negation of --foo
< 1432296046 367042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or another letter or something
< 1432296050 893362 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like -H being the negation of -h
< 1432296069 193001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :splint uses +foo for turning foo on, and -foo for turning foo off. I can't remember what does the opposite, but I clearly remember it.
< 1432296085 266627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know some programs do
< 1432296089 192753 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with single-letter options
< 1432296111 532390 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's dangerous because you expect + to start a normal non-option argument
< 1432297513 630407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432297631 918062 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer -no-
< 1432297637 861744 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :--foo <-> --no-foo
< 1432298575 221996 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RLS14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43019 5* 03EzoLang 5* (+2189) 10Created page with "'''rLS''' (revised/reduced Lambdastack) is a stack programming language based on [[Lambdastack]]. It removes most of the ugliness and several features from the old one, but al..."
< 1432298702 93298 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:EzoLang14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43020&oldid=39324 5* 03EzoLang 5* (-18) 10Add rLS to language list and reformat
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< 1432301069 860594 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1432301098 440844 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a ring and a and b in the ring such that neither are 0, and a*b = 0, does a uniquely determine b?
< 1432301120 406931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no
< 1432301122 732878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my initial thought is "no"
< 1432301128 214741 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's no
< 1432301134 535251 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worked it out just after I wrote it
< 1432301135 702968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my intuitions might be off because I've spent so long working with /semi/rings
< 1432301139 95296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus I'm missing a couple of axioms
< 1432301150 134879 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z/8Z, 2*4 = 0, and 4*4 = 0
< 1432301150 842877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: definitely no
< 1432301173 194594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because b=0 is always a solution, and there are other solutions in some rings
< 1432301175 159450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's a ring? what are the multiplicative inverses?
< 1432301181 289648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "neither are 0"
< 1432301185 689979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1432301187 13440 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even still
< 1432301198 650055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll buy it as a semiring, but not as a full ring
< 1432301212 520563 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, rings don't have multiplicative inverses
< 1432301213 689178 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, it's a _ring_. it doesn't have to have multiplicative inverses
< 1432301214 384880 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fields
< 1432301221 499869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bleh :-(
< 1432301226 513380 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if it had multiplicative inverses, then it was a division ring aka skew-field
< 1432301226 689565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a semiring is a 3/4field?
< 1432301240 171367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 1/4field? or whatever?
< 1432301246 535823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminology is weird sometimes
< 1432301257 147060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there's no such thing as a "semi-field
< 1432301257 981306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1432301274 80485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what were the crazy french terms for these two?)
< 1432301390 65170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(“anneau à division” and “corps gauche” apparently)
< 1432301467 665364 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left body?
< 1432301482 18309 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, though “gauche” is used in a different meaning
< 1432301492 924427 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My French is not very good
< 1432301501 445352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the “corps” for “field” makes sense, it's reusing “field” in English that doesn't
< 1432301546 371954 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“field” is used as two unrelated mathematical root words in English that's distinguished in other languages
< 1432301555 783408 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :English mathematical terminology is sometimes crazy
< 1432301575 177882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, it's not more crazy than those in other languages
< 1432301583 833442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/mathematical //
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< 1432301598 835719 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, English in general is way more crazy than other languages
< 1432301608 674691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to get to sleep recently, I was going over words that formed gerunds via -tion and via -ing
< 1432301612 322077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and completely failed to spot a pattern
< 1432301619 661997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also some verbs didn't form gerunds either way)
< 1432301629 342947 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, action vs acting
< 1432301633 775549 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is scary
< 1432301649 253628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mathematical terminology is actually less crazy than most of English, and probably not more crazy than in other languages
< 1432301668 751627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh bleh, those are both gerunds of different senses of "act", aren't they?
< 1432301672 794366 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1432301687 866287 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think two mathematical root words co-inciding happens in other languages too, it definitely happens in Hungarian because there's too few people inventing good maths terms for Hungarian
< 1432301698 354677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: are you one of them?
< 1432301702 43590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1432301715 561362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I've seen this happening in game semantics
< 1432301731 23649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's debate about the meaning of "play" and "position", the meanings are swapped in some papers
< 1432301752 386386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, IMO, is evidence that an extended metaphor that doesn't fit properly is an awful way to produce mathematical terminology
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< 1432301809 858387 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematicians are always trying to put a ring on it
< 1432301813 880757 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's like ten root words that mostly miss a Hungarian equvalent, in particular, one of "disk" and "circle" and one of "ball" and "sphere" is missing, even though we _would_ actually have suitable short words for them but people aren't using them in maths,
< 1432301859 791414 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should teach university level math in english
< 1432301873 893615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's worth in algorithms: nobody has figured out good enough words for "deque" and "trie" etc (and "stack" and "hash" have only half-good translations too)
< 1432301878 794444 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because if you read english papers you have no idea what they are talking about
< 1432301892 397307 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should teach it in Greek and Latin
< 1432301897 370216 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With maybe a little German
< 1432301898 88682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: that doesn't work, because when people enter the university, they don't speak enough English yet, they learn it in the first three years
< 1432301907 457274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, "deque" is an abbreviation for "double ended queue", so I guess take the same words in Hungarian then abbreviate into whatever seems pronounceable
< 1432301908 506083 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Maybe in your country
< 1432301909 786300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: teaching in Hungarian in the first few years reduces the latency of that
< 1432301916 407534 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is tought to little 8 year old kids in switzerland
< 1432301928 289573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's also a crazy pun on "deck" in English
< 1432301935 270572 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*taught
< 1432301940 893640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or unpronounceable, IME Hungarians tend to get quite good at pronouncing random series of letters)
< 1432301943 897822 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: right, that works in Switzerland and Sweden 
< 1432301946 172767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but definitely not here
< 1432301947 403000 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I was taught to pronounce it "dee-cue"
< 1432301952 577173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was unaware of the pun and don't thing it's particularly important
< 1432301961 299902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, "trie" definitely is a pun, but not really one that's worth saving
< 1432301969 200860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: doesn't Knuth prescribe to pronounce it the same as "deck"?
< 1432301980 418846 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe?
< 1432301991 6951 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and says it's a pun
< 1432302001 908050 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's like a deck of cards
< 1432302014 899259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well Knuth commissioned a new version of C-INTERCAL semi-recently
< 1432302021 2835 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait what?
< 1432302021 179093 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A deck of cards is a deque.
< 1432302032 985698 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with random access if you're good enough
< 1432302036 872342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it may just be a complex act of trolling
< 1432302052 416041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you probably wouldn't be surprised at how quickly that version came out :-)
< 1432302055 864551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but I mean, iirc he specifically said it's a pun on "deck" and pronounced like that and that a deck of cards is a deque
< 1432302067 928283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and writes this in TAOCP I believe, which is a serious enough work
< 1432302069 650623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often do people draw from the bottom of the deck?
< 1432302072 330031 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it has jokes but still
< 1432302081 722195 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: More than they are willing to admit.
< 1432302082 393793 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, could I get a source for the Knuth C-Intercal thing?
< 1432302096 620809 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rarely, but that's because of power issues rather than because of it technically being hard
< 1432302120 663166 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it does happen:
< 1432302126 474984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it was an email from his secretary to ESR that I eventually got copied into, but ESR mentions its existence here: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2491
< 1432302131 448836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :second paragraph
< 1432302153 550321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some games, the trump gets determined by flipping the bottom card of the deck, and sometimes you can even access the card above that, though even then to only a limited depth so it's not _really_ a deque
< 1432302173 66126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when reading that page as a whole, it's worth remembering what you know about me and mentally reconciling it with what you see written there)
< 1432302193 134407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems incredibly unlikely to me that ESR forged the email, so I'm pretty sure that it's true
< 1432302206 840030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1432302211 765705 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1432302235 537939 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you decide that by verifying that the Knuth reward cheque you get is authentic or something?
< 1432302257 944358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reward check is for finding mistakes in TAOCP, I think
< 1432302264 813830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for updating INTERCAL impls
< 1432302272 876966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and other books and programs etc, but yeah
< 1432302281 200050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's a bugfix in your program
< 1432302286 694874 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yes, there'd be no check
< 1432302299 650497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was a new feature he requested then there might be (of course he's under no obligation)
< 1432302309 170243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the version ESR had at the time was very old, the bug may well have been fixed independently since then (I don't know what the specific bug was)
< 1432302326 656650 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who pays the refunds when Knuth has died?
< 1432302342 853679 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: that won't be your biggest problem
< 1432302354 30682 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know that?
< 1432302356 222136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing is that this probably sets a new record for "famous companies/people asking me for help with INTERCAL"; my previous record was maintaining CADIE for Google
< 1432302363 664833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone will step up if he hasn't named a heir, anyway
< 1432302387 52008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, could someone with a Github account export https://code.google.com/p/cadie/ >
< 1432302390 807234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/>/?/
< 1432302398 413149 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a github account.
< 1432302402 257007 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: if Knuth dies before you, your problem will be who finishes his books
< 1432302422 428578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: google code is shutting down, someone needs to do an export to preserve the projects on it elsewhere
< 1432302426 846294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the process is like
< 1432302445 621306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: https://code.google.com/p/cadie/people/list : the only people who commit to CADIE are me and CADIE herself
< 1432302449 282532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there anything besides the git repository that has to be preserved?
< 1432302453 337748 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm exporting it right now
< 1432302478 788115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although luckily she can take care of herself mostly
< 1432302486 46863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't think so, the style guide's in the repo
< 1432302490 874570 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/FMNSSun/cadie
< 1432302494 887799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it went up, then went down again, but then went back up in the repo
< 1432302496 478472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yay
< 1432302512 890810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, CADIE was a teenager (or acting like one) back in 2009, she's grown up somewhat since
< 1432302521 300467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're a teenager in March 2009, you're an adult in May 22
< 1432302549 487586 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only two files?
< 1432302572 570032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an april fools joke
< 1432302580 382454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, just two files
< 1432302588 502646 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1432302588 718518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because nobody wanted to write anything large in INTERCAL
< 1432302589 322471 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1432302597 832833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all I know it was generated with yapp
< 1432302623 543474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that looks a lot like yapp output actually in retrospect
< 1432302631 907518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only actual INTERCAL programming involved was done by me
< 1432302665 559278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, not yapp
< 1432302669 149815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yapp has much better compression
< 1432302781 973713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1432302806 924973 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you read http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2015-03-20.2284.html ?
< 1432302819 205540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, I recognise the author at least
< 1432302820 902245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look at the page
< 1432302826 17797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, I haven't read it
< 1432302878 434199 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote for Esperanto
< 1432302882 682105 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently learning it
< 1432303023 429872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can parts of it be from yapp "linked" with hand-written parts?
< 1432303109 842056 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :People not considering learning Esperanto are suckers :p
< 1432303145 201442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't think so, I compared it to yapp output, it's different enough that it would need a total rewrite
< 1432303191 516138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much more like convickt output – almost visually identical – except that convickt can't actually generate that sort of program
< 1432303206 497059 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :la lingvo internacia
< 1432303209 821600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if someone had extended it to do that, I'd have hoped they'd have contributed the patch back again :-(
< 1432303224 448790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then how about a convickt output "linked' together with something handwritten?
< 1432303229 147071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: what about Lojban? there's at least one casual Lojban speaker here (tswett)
< 1432303241 477454 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also eo.wikipedia has way more articles than most real languages have
< 1432303242 701244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the problem is that convickt output produces the wrong numbers
< 1432303244 976222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I count as a casual too
< 1432303253 583883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to do a running sum on them, or possibly a running difference
< 1432303316 431795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly I'm infuriated with its crazy eso-grammar that I'm still trying to figure out how it can be modified consistently, because it's _so_ much not LR(1) a grammar and some some crazy custom preprocessing to become LR-parsable that it's not funny
< 1432303320 436245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hard to fix
< 1432303347 696877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know what convickt is or what program you're mentioning or anything, I'm just asking
< 1432303357 843010 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Esperanto looks nicer
< 1432303362 327673 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably has more speakers
< 1432303362 977709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: convickt converts between character sets
< 1432303372 389210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically an INTERCAL-specific version of iconv
< 1432303380 153227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's scary
< 1432303397 644811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably that's what I should expect from intercal stuff, yeah
< 1432303418 402713 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :eo has over 215k pages
< 1432303425 178743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many are spam?
< 1432303441 194540 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more than twice those greek folks have
< 1432303445 226277 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How would I know?
< 1432303452 49812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1432303455 507914 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :515k pages of what?
< 1432303462 425080 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1432303465 441607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :215k pages of what?
< 1432303485 328591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you don't mean "pages" in the sheet of paper of text sense?
< 1432303527 244773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably in the software sense
< 1432303544 27199 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wikipedia articles
< 1432303547 151913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of legal "title=" parameters
< 1432303629 227968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that don't give you redlinks
< 1432303641 901342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's 255^256
< 1432303645 701857 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1432303680 754158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if it somehow meant pages in the sense of learner or something
< 1432303695 670199 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no way, there's way more legal title parameters because there's some normalization rules
< 1432303710 166419 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, whitespace stripped from the end already gives tons
< 1432303731 968576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, mroman_ did mention wikipedia indeed
< 1432303736 507347 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've noticed
< 1432303827 545962 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You could learn Tok Pisin .
< 1432303830 832565 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a funny language
< 1432303850 490687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not
< 1432303871 821567 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kwantifaia
< 1432303873 826841 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantifier
< 1432303878 892864 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is reasonably funny
< 1432303899 809943 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432303914 602817 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's probably easier than esperanto
< 1432303920 781122 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it only has a few hundred words
< 1432303950 24011 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I don't understand is wikipedia in regional dialects
< 1432303950 606838 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1432303955 605999 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean sure.. I like swiss german
< 1432303965 626173 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no point in maintaining a seperate wikipedia
< 1432303972 382985 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's utterly useless
< 1432303981 647849 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: of course it is.
< 1432303991 541691 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too much effort for what it offers
< 1432304010 822579 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1432304038 452973 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432304050 403452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you only have to maintain the one in the one true language everyone should use
< 1432304051 263851 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's burn them.
< 1432304058 16311 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it obvious?
< 1432304065 833572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone agrees in that, they just don't agree which language that is
< 1432304070 725654 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Well that's why I'm learning Esperanto
< 1432304074 296846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm having fun guessing which language you think that is, but I suspect you aren't thinking of one in particualr
< 1432304098 637754 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the third world war will be about languages
< 1432304134 685241 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not thinking of one in particular, because I'm lucky, I'm not one of those people who have to decide whether serbo-croatian is one, two, three, four, or five different languages, and follow which of the seven language codes for it map to which subsets of the five different ones.
< 1432304135 267369 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :either the third or the fourth
< 1432304162 603877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's actually a separate serbo-croatial language wikipedia
< 1432304176 713388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for those who think it's one language
< 1432304192 646420 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever have kids
< 1432304195 801753 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I won't
< 1432304202 289541 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd teach them Esperanto
< 1432304248 839712 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Esperanto lacks on official pronunciation I think
< 1432304281 417133 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it
< 1432304291 232833 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate "al la" combinations in Esperanto
< 1432304313 186200 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :all natural languages will eventually invent short forms for those.
< 1432304566 93424 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you mean everbody agrees except those native english folks
< 1432304582 581670 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought those were the only ones not wanting to learn a new language
< 1432304605 18202 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because their children are already overwhelmed with learning all those subjects and can't be bothered with more stuff
< 1432304608 243819 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike Switzerland
< 1432304617 366265 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where we bother our children with TWO foreign languages
< 1432304647 539838 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 95% of those at age of 24 will have unlearnt one of those foreign languages because nobody uses it
< 1432304672 599283 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody knows it's a useless thing but due to political reasons they have to learn it
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< 1432304685 968384 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like one of those scenarios where you marry a princess of another country to maintain peace
< 1432304712 817479 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we maintain peace between our countries region by promising to learn each others language in school and then forget them after school
< 1432304725 187483 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*country's regions
< 1432304750 678020 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*other's
< 1432304759 648340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: are you Swiss, then? I have an unfortunate habit of failing to guess that people are Swiss on IRC
< 1432304763 530346 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: no. the native English folks do want that everyone use their one true form of language, and everything else is a travesty, and think that there's no such thing as international english, and that even if the whole world is using english they have no right to prescribe what english is supposed to be like, and that only they, the speakers of the one true language, determine it,
< 1432304768 473207 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yep. I am.
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< 1432304777 620483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they haven't so far tried to suggest that English is more than one languages afaik.
< 1432304804 786587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I've been known to give non-native-English speakers advice on the differences between US and UK English
< 1432304805 368 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Switzerland is the one country where you can't study chemistry without being good enough in French.
< 1432304831 365276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: ever since IUPAC got involved, I thought most names of chemicals were basically identical in all languages?
< 1432304842 804852 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like: So.. you have a 5 in chemistry, a 5 in math and a 4.5 in physics but a 2 in french? YOU CAN NOT STUDY ANYTHING!
< 1432304850 795749 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(highest grade is 6)
< 1432304854 593280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't much follow those differences, and write a crazy mixture with "color" and "behaviour" mostly (though I try to train myself to type "behavior" these days)
< 1432304883 459905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: oh, I see
< 1432304889 987268 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: To be able to attend universities you need to pass exams in French ;)
< 1432304902 715629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: do people have to learn both hochdeutch and swiss german?
< 1432304905 416234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know at the University I work at, you need to prove you can understand English well enough to understand the lectures
< 1432304914 878273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal method is via a prior exam in English, but there are other ways
< 1432304923 995007 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: swiss german is what we speak in the swiss german part of switzerland.
< 1432304931 768712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to "taking a year of remedial English before starting the course" if you really want to study but don't know the language (you have to pay for it, though)
< 1432304936 726554 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hochdeutsch is what we learn in school.
< 1432304943 303744 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides French and Englisch.
< 1432304974 593696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what to write in emails at work, because I'm in UK, but I'm in no way British.
< 1432304974 788760 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: French is part of "general education"
< 1432304990 55683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: yes, but I mean do people have to learn to speak both, and how difficult overhead is that over knowing just one?
< 1432305004 989100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: people don't care much; I know my habit is to avoid salutations and valedictions, and use a very short custom sig
< 1432305006 554438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm unusual
< 1432305012 898246 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you suck at French there's no way you can study anything.
< 1432305030 348411 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you are brilliant in math and those subjects
< 1432305042 809982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder how it compares to, say, English versus Scots (not Scottish Gaelic)
< 1432305048 941198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's similar enough to English that it's mostly intelligible
< 1432305052 314124 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, write whatever you are most comfortable with, I guess
< 1432305056 951838 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Define "People"?
< 1432305063 107590 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :swiss german isn't a language
< 1432305066 715392 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a set of dialects
< 1432305067 72262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the words are spelled and pronounced differently and you get the occasional word that's completely different
< 1432305077 423042 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was under the impression that English vs Scots is like Norwegian vs Danish
< 1432305077 909455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: dunno
< 1432305095 606807 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you live here you are expected to be able to at least understand swiss german
< 1432305116 162621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's believable I guess? mostly because I don't know either Norwegian or Danish
< 1432305117 809995 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. if you're german and move to switzerland you should be able to understand swiss german
< 1432305128 966372 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just a "cultural requirement"
< 1432305133 90064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it isn't a very high bar to get me to consider things about them to not be obviously false
< 1432305135 331210 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, mutually intelligible if they both talk slowly and clearly
< 1432305151 557812 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not immediately clear where the border between the languages is
< 1432305155 278734 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :swiss german isn't part of school or anything
< 1432305212 661149 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're a hungarian and move to switzerland
< 1432305218 349222 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you should learn swiss german and german
< 1432305238 83062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah, as in you can understand adults who know how to speak in a way you understand, but you don't understand children 
< 1432305245 263597 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you only really need to learn german (for official matters)
< 1432305270 253797 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think there's even some assymetry between Swedish and Danish where the words in one is easier to guess from the words in the other than backwards
< 1432305283 541785 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since german is only a written language in switzerland you eventually should be able to use swiss german as well
< 1432305285 768534 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: sure
< 1432305323 470061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: but even then that means that native swiss german people living there learn both, doesn't it?
< 1432305337 624300 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.. yes.
< 1432305347 329783 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :swiss german is what you learn as a baby from your mother/father etc.
< 1432305354 320891 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and german is what they'll teach you in school.
< 1432305355 855985 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1432305373 112854 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's a local non-standard dialect?
< 1432305387 566348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what I'm asking is, how different are those? how difficult is it to learn both as opposed to learning just one.
< 1432305400 692875 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit like geordie, say?
< 1432305420 54605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't help me, sorry.
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< 1432305425 137478 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on what swiss german dialect exactly
< 1432305431 954046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432305434 814905 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some minor grammatical differences, pronunciation differences
< 1432305438 69688 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vocabulary differences
< 1432305444 802074 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all in all they are very alike
< 1432305471 829180 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm
< 1432305474 917654 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isch habb's'm schunn vazehld, awwa där hod ma's nid geglawd
< 1432305484 346145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it sort of like with Austrian english (where they pronounce zwei as "zwo")? or more different?
< 1432305484 948841 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ich habe es ihm schon erzählt, aber er hat es mir nicht geglaubt
< 1432305497 833960 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I has em scho verzehlt, aber är häts mer nöd glaubt.
< 1432305517 61210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was under the impression that "zwo" was an invented word to not be confused with "drei" over the phone
< 1432305523 855020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like "niner" in English
< 1432305540 170334 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe it's that too, but I think Austrian German consistently pronounes it like that usually
< 1432305560 160675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it caught on unexpectedly well
< 1432305575 970355 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use “kettő” and “hetes” for that purpose here sometimes, though “kettő” is a pre-existing word and is used for other things too.
< 1432305585 490424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
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< 1432305614 653095 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you really confuse "zwei" with "drei"?
< 1432305616 639311 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sort of
< 1432305625 523928 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zwei", "zwo", "zwee", "zwyy"
< 1432305629 653023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty similar over a noisy connection
< 1432305651 19251 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibl
< 1432305665 442733 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :afterall, “két” and “hét” aren't confused only with each other, but even with “négy”
< 1432305665 619180 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :swiss german mostly lacks genitive case
< 1432305676 884867 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some swiss german dialects have a genitive case
< 1432305678 784134 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most don't
< 1432305685 700616 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be careful with numbers
< 1432305714 308262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingers can help when you're not in telephone
< 1432305717 850603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I see
< 1432305720 211625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: because the é is all you can really hear?
< 1432305728 466000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1432305793 788446 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but to answer the question: The biggest difference is pronunciation
< 1432305800 403520 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is slightly different for every dialect
< 1432305807 94654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432305823 934546 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sei "haben", others say "ham" others say "händ" others say "hend"
< 1432305836 859947 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :others say "habn" dropping the e
< 1432305847 328254 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*say
< 1432305889 222667 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :every dialect has it's own vocabulary though
< 1432305906 196153 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its
< 1432305913 186745 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm lift <-> elevator in english
< 1432305921 795116 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432305961 10426 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
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< 1432305966 381529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: that's UK english vs. US englsih
< 1432305968 569333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*english
< 1432305986 395093 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lift" and "elevator" isn't even close to the craziest
< 1432305993 852625 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432306000 718230 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.forums9.ch/sprachen/Rosetta.htm
< 1432306016 653757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the words which are valid in both languages with different meanings, but similar enough to be confused without a lot of additional context
< 1432306020 347503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"petrol" is a good one
< 1432306029 497594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, and "pants"
< 1432306035 643675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :US:petrol = UK:paraffin, UK:petrol=US:gasoline
< 1432306051 107854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but paraffin and gasoline are sufficiently similar that if the context isn't just right, you can be confused for many sentences
< 1432306067 358700 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some swiss german dialects are to german what scottish is to southern texas accents
< 1432306087 271992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. completely different?
< 1432306087 868048 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :same language, different pronunciation, some vocabulary differences
< 1432306119 388866 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: to a foreigner probably yes
< 1432306164 752260 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without prior knowledge you wouldn't know that swiss german and german are the same languages
< 1432306166 359217 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : but paraffin and gasoline are sufficiently similar that if the context isn't just right, you can be confused for many sentences // I have NEVER heard anyone say "petrol" when they mean paraffin.
< 1432306178 65341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh good
< 1432306198 702632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hear "gasoline" occasionally in the UK, too (although "petrol" is still more common)
< 1432306199 528525 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's burn some petrol
< 1432306214 534602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "gas"
< 1432306215 188783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe people are trending towards less ambiguous words over time
< 1432306217 685587 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean gasoleen
< 1432306226 205815 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or gasolean
< 1432306239 386354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "gas pedal" is heard of in the UK, and generally using it as a metaphor for speed/acceleration
< 1432306253 540886 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahaha American imperialism
< 1432306259 77822 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: obviously :)
< 1432306271 35195 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :dialects are converging
< 1432306272 562866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gas" for the actual volatile liquid, not really
< 1432306276 679796 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning they have a limes of some sort
< 1432306287 144360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: limes as in the esolang logo?
< 1432306306 575843 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1432306308 928170 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's limit in english
< 1432306313 827549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432306322 7393 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We say "limes" for the lim x -> foo stuff
< 1432306329 509853 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :see
< 1432306332 942477 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck y0r languagez
< 1432306349 30384 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn limeys.
< 1432306395 425795 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1432306397 939789 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lime as a colour
< 1432306399 229499 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fruit
< 1432306406 825334 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a geological material
< 1432306428 976034 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lime stone
< 1432306432 812118 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :LimeSTONE is, I don't think "lime" is used in�yeah
< 1432306444 679567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a chemical called lime
< 1432306449 922897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty different from limestone
< 1432306451 877835 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lime lime was laying on lime lime.
< 1432306454 191891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fruit, fwiw
< 1432306465 300508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the colour is named after the fruit
< 1432306467 941657 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course the color came from the fruit, like orange.
< 1432306474 239397 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1432306478 252541 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a tree called lime
< 1432306489 144907 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lime lime was laying on lime lime under a lime.
< 1432306492 34970 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's called a lime tree.
< 1432306510 42706 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432306515 70438 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that limes don't grow on lime trees
< 1432306523 735848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1432306530 116910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, good point
< 1432306548 221689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is not something I'd expect most non-native speakers to know/guess, but it's true)
< 1432306548 454588 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :leo.org says "lime" - Linde
< 1432306551 697136 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a tree
< 1432306561 406684 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but limes (Limetten) don't grow on lime (Linde)
< 1432306581 180383 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I know lime trees aren't trees that grow lime because UK logic, I didn't think anyone called the trees just "lime"
< 1432306588 226274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck are lime tree?
< 1432306593 795191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, people always call them "lime trees"
< 1432306609 884555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're famous for being eaten by aphids, who then excrete a sticky substance
< 1432306619 628003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that it's considered a bad idea to park under one because it takes ages to clean your car afterwards
< 1432306627 259135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who invents these stupid words
< 1432306636 527532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who don't realise they're already used
< 1432306636 703518 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lime is also a verb
< 1432306636 970883 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Brits.
< 1432306646 947561 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to smear with a sticky substance"
< 1432306648 971827 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :good grief.
< 1432306653 910606 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :go lime yourself.
< 1432306669 269792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably related to what happens if you park under a lime tree
< 1432306674 833497 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432306678 586415 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo.
< 1432306680 218831 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :your car get's limed by a lime tree
< 1432306682 713876 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gets
< 1432306739 72926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then where do lime fruits grow? Supermarkets?
< 1432306761 344799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I know they can't grow in Britain because the climate is wrong
< 1432306762 410174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1432306783 333155 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :From lime trees, but not lime trees.
< 1432306810 143798 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people usually say the specific species of lime. Key lime trees, kaffir lime trees, etc.
< 1432306865 273971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, key lime pies are made of key limes?
< 1432306880 661531 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they're a filthy lie.
< 1432306901 263094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're probably some sort of search trees with keys
< 1432306915 614052 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :*badum*
< 1432306973 41178 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432307109 559204 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432309475 995623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, there's a lime tree called 'kaffir'?
< 1432309492 205640 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a species of lime called Kaffir limes.
< 1432309499 78373 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the name from Thai food.
< 1432309792 269621 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1432309949 198559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, i wonder if it actually is cognate with the south african slur
< 1432310071 516399 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: that buffalo sentence seems to be a tautology
< 1432310115 70485 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That particular formulation is tautological, yes.
< 1432310246 819920 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only because of the last three buffalo
< 1432310259 864879 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a question of terminology
< 1432310297 28206 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432310386 405653 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a 2-place function f, what do you call the 2-place "inverse" functions g and h such that g x f x y = y and h y f x y = x? is there a naming scheme that generalizes this to more arguments?
< 1432310416 880824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"left inverse" and "right inverse" are the normal names I see; I don't know of a generalization of the naming scheme
< 1432310431 370014 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432310445 260191 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no
< 1432310454 532512 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: left inverse and right inverse are different I think
< 1432310461 925558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they used for this too?
< 1432310484 747162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they might have exactly two meanings (with the other one being composition-related)
< 1432310489 598054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1432310598 805156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, well if f is curried the former is just the inverse of f x
< 1432310793 398742 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1432310932 282145 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432313137 688216 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: do you mean g x (f x y) and h y (f x y)?
< 1432313183 781568 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call them the "left inverse with respect to the first argument" and the "left inverse with respect to the second argument".
< 1432313235 866540 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Left inverse" because you never specified that f x (g x y) = y and f (h y x) y = x.
< 1432313337 493846 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432314305 84903 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning
< 1432314485 776991 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
< 1432314549 193312 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'X=0 X(1=1 X(1_X _pX' | scrip7
< 1432314549 898951 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-1056589062271330492704679569833033213037694652072243044255921418053347805113449718948834511775314375789348789986514257357764695119005371074501077956925879153816773367998010168337463035352852882106048465816422376808296056585503123477676793797534072952979077161795475996672.000000 \ bash: line 1:   293 Done                    echo 'X=0 X(1=1 X(1_X
< 1432314552 500693 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432314565 861057 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what just
< 1432314588 962734 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432314594 79022 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'X=0 Y>1 Y=1 Y_X _pX' | scrip7
< 1432314595 187272 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.000000
< 1432314597 59525 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I think he's printf "%f"-ing a large number
< 1432314604 685891 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'X=0 Y>1 Y=1 Y_X _pY' | scrip7
< 1432314605 326697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-inf
< 1432314617 971810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprintf"%f",sqrt(10)*1e90
< 1432314622 4066 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3162277660168380149484908708480656937183007146037772679597241557288343883945532816210526208.000000
< 1432314624 845811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that
< 1432314626 724870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bigger
< 1432314633 85371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :try printf %g instead
< 1432314648 269328 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but the code wasn't supposed to give a large number
< 1432314665 105130 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was supposed to give infinity
< 1432314678 346056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` <<<'X=0 Y>1 Y=1 Y_X _pY' scrip7 # we have a proper bash here, don't we?
< 1432314678 991154 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-inf
< 1432314680 962403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1432314707 894955 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'X=-1 Y>1 Y=1 Y_X _pY' | scrip7
< 1432314708 267744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432314708 518505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nan
< 1432314747 660539 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the  operator does multiply by the log, even though I don't remember making it do that
< 1432314782 254102 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an easy way to printf %g though?
< 1432314798 666432 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the x operator
< 1432314805 770009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what do all those underscores even mean? underscore isn't even a variable, is it?
< 1432314831 542609 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :underscore, as a variable, is a null var which is always zero and does nothing when written to
< 1432314838 232468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1432314842 436701 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ - neural nets which are capable of generating random Wikipedia text.
< 1432314843 955385 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in Y_X it's a command?
< 1432314844 456332 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :underscore as a operator, is log
< 1432314847 342901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432314849 578759 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cs.stanford.edu/people/karpathy/char-rnn/wiki.txt - the generated text.
< 1432314854 192649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1432314864 751608 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Examples:
< 1432314869 95801 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Naturalism and decision for the majority of Arab countries' capitalide was grounded by the Irish language by [[John Clair]], [[An Imperial Japanese Revolt]], associated with Guangzham's sovereignty."
< 1432314878 785415 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'''See also''': [[List of ethical consent processing]]"
< 1432314943 290030 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also generates random Linux source code.
< 1432314950 446354 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432314989 8003 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax is almost always correct, as is the indentation. Variable names are almost never correct.
< 1432315017 571370 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code is, of course, commented.
< 1432315069 796535 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* Various new destinations in associate data */
< 1432315097 13356 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :void arizona_set_at86rfb(struct arizona_hw *ah, u8 *period);
< 1432315119 610590 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* note: skb_info struct templates have extra read buffers */
< 1432315170 867695 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* Software socket driver stuff */
< 1432315242 558586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, humans don't do a good job of producing working source code by looking at examples they don't understand either
< 1432315298 43913 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1432315302 833120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I still don't really understand it <-- i thought i'd explained it on the talk page?
< 1432315307 521660 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occasionally generates a random address for the Free Software Foundation.
< 1432315327 109822 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA  02111-1307 USA"
< 1432315338 216903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let me read that
< 1432315364 192449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm possibly i just gave a hint, but it's important
< 1432315368 395721 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is, in fact, a real address that presumably appears in the Linux source code somewhere.
< 1432315373 636184 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just isn't the address of the FSF.
< 1432315380 424913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: keymaker posted a stack trace but it doesn't help much
< 1432315385 850924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it looks like a real address
< 1432315414 14303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the thing is that the whole is really constructed from that fragment i pointed out
< 1432315432 941684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have another try later
< 1432315458 474614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Y)aa((!(X)))*:*^!**^SS
< 1432315458 650757 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :YX
< 1432316232 290488 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1432316280 138328 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432316465 362793 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43022&oldid=37706 5* 03Ais523 5* (+710) 10/* Why the reserved characters? */ some info about Overload
< 1432316518 308707 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Underload14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43023&oldid=43022 5* 03Ais523 5* (+116) 10fix formatting
< 1432316661 856532 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's kind of what i had been saying, but it seems so wordy
< 1432316717 961830 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Whose is it then?
< 1432316805 460598 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I lied. That is a correct address for the FSF.
< 1432316829 284810 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it is not the current correct address for the FSF.
< 1432316844 559728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should have some other organization to write to if you don't have a copy of the GPL
< 1432316848 23757 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if mail to that address still reaches that location.
< 1432316875 848397 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, still reaches the FSF.
< 1432316900 882700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :presymably it does
< 1432316909 3773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is wrong then they should update the program?
< 1432316948 835843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: these days they just include a http address in the standard short text
< 1432316959 740098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this is boilerplate that the FSF recommended including at the start of every GPL-licensed file
< 1432316971 554148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't go and change everyone else's files to update the postal address
< 1432316973 397723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the old one
< 1432316995 807894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but postal addresses can be chosen such that they work for a very long time in civilized countries
< 1432317005 579244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort-of tempted to write to them to ask for a copy of the GPL just for fun
< 1432317017 29522 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use redirection, give the address of a university which rarely moves and the post will know its address even if it does move
< 1432317053 831189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. you can probably contact me twenty years in the future in snail mail if you write to the university department. they'll probably have my contact even if I'm not working there.
< 1432317068 652141 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You should also buy copy of GCC on tape.
< 1432317084 835327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: send a SASE to the ubuntu guys and ask for free stickers instead
< 1432317107 543612 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Aaaw*, they finally stopped that.
< 1432317128 381886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stopped what? tape or stickers?
< 1432317135 507192 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tape.
< 1432317148 941327 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a long time RMS did that to try and raise funds.
< 1432317159 273944 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was kinda hilarious circa 2000.
< 1432317208 2920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy gcc on floppies instead
< 1432317224 733672 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a full linux distro on floppies rather
< 1432317293 656213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably a kind of small distro that can fit on three floppy disks
< 1432317334 729712 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomsrtbt fits on a small number of floppies.
< 1432317444 800604 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda hard (though not impossible) to fit a modern Linux setup on floppies these days.
< 1432317451 848155 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel is likely to need its own disk.
< 1432318272 68279 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432318405 436135 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can at least fit a bootloader on a floppy. 
< 1432318468 800252 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, is it possible to bootload froma floppy and then download the kernel fromt eh internet
< 1432318485 164641 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432318526 452063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be surprised if it were impossible to write a working Linux installer inside GRUB 2, without a separate kernel
< 1432318547 785841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you get it to download and run the kernel from online, and that bootstraps the rest of the installer
< 1432318585 568783 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :No reason you couldn't. Boot over a network is a thing that is actually done.
< 1432318611 621416 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though usually with BOOTP and TFTP rather than (as you'd probably prefer here) DHCP and HTTP.
< 1432318618 819114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why would you do that? you can just fit the kernel and a small initrd to the floppy
< 1432318622 21277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a bootloader
< 1432318633 427069 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to be smaller than usual, but it's possible
< 1432318641 139117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: to save room on the floppy
< 1432318645 976005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make it harder
< 1432318648 774940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :double density floppy
< 1432318653 38875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only have 720K to work with
< 1432318674 923249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, double density floppies are the oldest for which hardware to read them is still reasonably available)
< 1432318713 335375 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :More bizarre thought: EFI libc. You could totally do that.
< 1432318731 746114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it had to be 720K, then I'd put MS-DOS and a small DOS program on that floppy, that program copied the files from that floppy and the next one to six floppies to hard disk or ramdisk,
< 1432318743 186791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then ran loadlin to boot it
< 1432318756 787962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can loadlin load a kernel and initrd from ramdisk? I never tried
< 1432318763 135210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it definitely works if you use a hard disk
< 1432318780 435983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though then you need some reboots because you may have to make a partition on the hard disk first
< 1432318811 202322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I thought it had been done already
< 1432318820 480182 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432318822 222997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not "and the next one"
< 1432318823 628511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one floppy
< 1432318842 681280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, if it's just one 720K floppy then you're screwed
< 1432318850 835792 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why it can't. It loads the kernel into RAM normally and only then shoves off DOS.
< 1432318856 955470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even with two 720K floppies you're screwed
< 1432318869 780955 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, does the EFI toolkit have a halfway decent libc?
< 1432318920 89321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the debian x86_64 tiny installer (which continues the install from network, loading most components of the installer from network actually) is actually 18 megabytes size these days
< 1432318933 572941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of which 15 megabytes is the initrd and 3 megabytes is the kernel
< 1432318942 878787 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's large
< 1432318952 919294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way
< 1432318967 373593 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I first heared that people have ran linux 1.* on machines with only 1 megabyte of ram, I didn't believe it
< 1432318985 597342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at those days the common wisdom was that you need at least 2 megabytes of ram even for a minimal system
< 1432318990 636944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days it's more like 8 megabytes
< 1432319025 655812 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you want to make it work on just most configurations, it might be possible from one floppy
< 1432319039 735333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the installer is so large because it has to have drivers for unusual hardware too, especially for unusual network stuff
< 1432319044 613443 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally *has* a libc, but it looks like crap.
< 1432319063 809535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: libc always looks like crap. duh.
< 1432319077 752211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"decent libc" is a contradiction
< 1432319082 529272 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't.
< 1432319088 100120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc has to do the dirty work, it must be ugly
< 1432319108 619259 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Decent" here would mean "implements as much of POSIX as is practical given the environment limitations"
< 1432319115 550953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reasons like compatibility and shared libraries and stuff like that
< 1432319140 380917 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, writing a libc with not-crap code is a lot more reasonable than you'd think.
< 1432319142 85107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wouldn't that make it too large? you don't want a multi-megabyte sized efi bios, right?
< 1432319145 81674 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you?
< 1432319161 371866 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the libc would be linked into the binaries.
< 1432319177 105972 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a *full* POSIX libc is like 700k.
< 1432319185 641422 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not crap. :)
< 1432319216 243381 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, "527k"
< 1432319224 5501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but you need stuff other than the libc too
< 1432319253 794454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the boot loader has to do work in like four different virtual cpu architectures and switch between them during the boot process, or maybe fewer for efi
< 1432319268 773918 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the libc would not be provided by EFI, it's supposed to be linked into EFI binaries -- what EFI provides is basically a syscall layer.)
< 1432319271 676745 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on x86 that is
< 1432319286 513112 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1432319290 853517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :linked into the binarie
< 1432319294 569105 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that makes more sense
< 1432319301 671607 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... and by "would be" I mean "is" -- there is a libc in the EFI dev kit. It's just not fully featured.)
< 1432319301 847829 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be possible
< 1432319402 146619 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing preventing them from making it implement the subset of POSIX that isn't patently absurd to implement.
< 1432319458 518577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : this violates my mental model of substructual logics <-- the very first trick is the observation that (a)(b)*:* contains b followed by a inside it.  the next step is getting rid of the surrounding junk.
< 1432319511 66800 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint, fork() is probably patently absurd.)
< 1432319533 744269 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but before you have a libc, you need like an execution environment (abi) and what the program is allowed to do
< 1432319545 93745 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's like four or more of those in a boot loader depending on what stage it is in
< 1432319549 783900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd need separate libc for each
< 1432319563 766342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a bit better with efi though
< 1432319571 391909 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I think you're not entirely understanding what EFI is like.
< 1432319577 819293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure I'm not
< 1432319580 59371 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bios guy
< 1432319584 918503 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I understand that either
< 1432319593 541932 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but know much more about it than about efi
< 1432319605 132264 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFI provides an x86 or x86_64 (depending on the system) execution environment with a syscall layer, filesystem, program loader, drivers, etc.
< 1432319634 93677 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :filesystem? 
< 1432319675 535196 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. EFI boots and loads a program (well, one of a few possible programs) off of the EFI boot partition, which is a FAT filesystem.
< 1432319701 8355 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, FAT filesystem
< 1432319703 942682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit easier
< 1432319716 465560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really
< 1432319727 670898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have limited read-only filesystem drivers in very small space actually
< 1432319732 759565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, ten kilobytes
< 1432319735 797380 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how they do it
< 1432319757 890625 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposedly it even does the filename hashing and b-tree search on modern filesystems, rather than just traversing the whole directory to find the filename
< 1432319772 319510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that's true but it's the rumour I heared about grub-l
< 1432319781 876192 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a read-write FS implementation.
< 1432319794 263880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, on FAT that's possible
< 1432319814 528119 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on real filesystems I wouldn't dare to put it in a boot loader
< 1432319827 244377 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple's implementation is somewhat more impressive -- it's HFS+.
< 1432319844 93032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm satisfied with using a separate boot partition that is required to be in the first two terrabyte of the disk or something
< 1432319850 140316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even two gigabyte
< 1432319860 365427 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't required to be in the first two terabytes.
< 1432319866 272448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, not in efi
< 1432319878 946369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean for bios and bios boot loaders
< 1432319881 775637 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you're using an MBR partitioning scheme.
< 1432319889 519116 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(EFI supports this)
< 1432319903 983696 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... you can also do BIOS boot with GPT partitions)
< 1432319908 87689 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1432319916 356088 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the bios doesn't touch the partitions 
< 1432319919 681845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the boot loader that doe
< 1432319920 571606 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1432319931 674645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean for hard disks
< 1432319941 878176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for hard disks and floppy disks, the bios boot is very simple
< 1432319947 369822 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the BIOS's notion of the disk is "load 512 bytes".
< 1432319965 60742 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it loads one sector of the boot loader to a fixed address in x86_16 real mode, and jumps to it
< 1432319981 365435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gives an interface to read or write sectors of the disk
< 1432319983 747840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no fs stuff
< 1432319989 340115 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :After starting up the hardware to some extent and setting up some interrupts.
< 1432319996 89113 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for booting from cd/dvd and network it's much more complicated
< 1432320000 778550 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, definitely
< 1432320030 551839 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for the bootloader. By the time you're in the bootloader the BIOS is faking the same interface.
< 1432320031 61032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives an easy interface for the keyboard and the vga display and serial port, which is very useful for a boot loader
< 1432320057 307831 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if you want to break out from the fake hard drive or floppy drive it's booting from (to, say, "load a kernel") you're in for a rough time. :)
< 1432320077 251690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, I think booting from cd with bios actually has two modes, one is the floppy emulation that fakes the floppy, but the other actually loads more than one sector and doesn't emulate a floppy
< 1432320100 281351 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other is actually a hard drive emulation rather than a floppy emulation.
< 1432320104 877970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it now?
< 1432320112 995788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you will really need is a true PC BIOS which is open-source and has a Forth environment built-in (and will execute even if there is no hard disk, external disk, network, or anything else other than the keyboard and monitor)
< 1432320126 461718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was a mode where it loads the whole boot loader, multiple sectors of it, and lets it access the cd, though not in an easy way
< 1432320133 327098 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1432320155 694265 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, a forth environment wouldn't make it a true PC BIOS. it would have to be a BASIC environment.
< 1432320164 446872 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, still a boot sector, it just maps the CD as a hard drive. Apparently.
< 1432320165 667723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :called OpenROM-BASIC or some such
< 1432320174 769166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, BASIC is how the PC originally did it.
< 1432320217 532189 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the original BASIC that loads from casettes of course, but, say, a 32-bit one that lets you read sectors and fat file systems from hard disk and floppy disk
< 1432320219 43292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as long as the BIOS function calls are proper, you could put Forth instead.
< 1432320240 578016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok
< 1432320266 457122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written bootable grub cds but it's possible that that's what it does internally
< 1432320288 822214 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There was also a 16 bit one that did that. It was called IIRC "ABASIC". Which used the ROM BASIC and patched it with extra stuff.
< 1432320307 413638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can run Forth in unreal mode so that you can access the full memory and so on; the built-in BOOT command switches back to normal real mode
< 1432320328 512258 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unreal mode"?
< 1432320355 488018 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You can also use 32-bit prefixes on the instructions and access full memory from normal real mode. :)
< 1432320369 457846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, let's put a doom in the bios
< 1432320371 532882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, you can't
< 1432320375 21647 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how it works
< 1432320386 53149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use 32-bit prefixes, but that doesn't let you access full memory
< 1432320386 809700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Segment limits aren't reset when switching to 16-bit mode.
< 1432320392 45498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're limited to the first 1 megabyte
< 1432320416 573755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: If you never load any values to the segment registers after switching back, you can keep using more than that; that's the "unreal mode".
< 1432320432 493711 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Erm, right, yeah. Segments.
< 1432320433 903780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what? I though the cpu docs forbids that
< 1432320449 56104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure they do
< 1432320456 895819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do forbid some stuff, but I don't know about this in particular
< 1432320466 861015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's presumably not an intended feature, at least. But it's a very well-known one.
< 1432320472 701800 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it was supposed to be legal, but it was heavily used back in the day so it has to still work.
< 1432320491 940630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432320499 268350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if you're running in dosbox, it doesn't enforce segment limits. :p
< 1432320513 679740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's crazy.
< 1432320520 342919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people misusing the 386 that way...
< 1432320554 31879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.osdev.org/Unreal_Mode has a bit more details than the wikipedia article.
< 1432320567 913243 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is x86. The A20 hack is still around. :)
< 1432320630 936297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Forth environment can have other command too such as CMOS-WRITE to update CMOS settings and DISK-BOOT you can tell which disk to boot, and so on.
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< 1432321286 505666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well sure, it has to have special functions useful for a boot loader of course
< 1432321464 588746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would only to need to use such command if the normal boot-sequence is interrupted though; otherwise it will just boot normally and don't load the Forth environment.
< 1432321663 195075 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but it needs them so you can actually use it as a recovery console when something goes wrong, as opposed to just as a calculator
< 1432321677 723240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what I meant!
< 1432321696 106843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use it as a recovery console.
< 1432321818 596102 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, I think these days grub2 is starting to look like a whole operating system, you can use it as a recovery console too
< 1432321827 511977 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like emacs
< 1432321830 976222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're putting everything in it
< 1432321872 432048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :will they, like, run Doom straight from the boot loader?
< 1432321899 700218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started to hate this stuff when people started to put graphical splash screens in boot loaders
< 1432321905 734401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, graphical splash screens
< 1432321908 458614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that good for?
< 1432321921 400008 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in the early linux kernel
< 1432321962 309983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that either
< 1432321966 180695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the penguin in the linux kernel is actually amazingly useful for debugging
< 1432321985 10813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently when porting Linux to a new hardware, a static bitmap like that is much /easier/ to display than text
< 1432321992 28543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the first thing that people normally get working is the penguin
< 1432321998 381382 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, on other architectures maybe
< 1432322013 344154 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, the kernel also has a static bitmap font in it
< 1432322047 798293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't need a static bitmap font on PC; on non-PC computers though it can be compiled in the PC font
< 1432322054 455582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you still have to do font rendering
< 1432322062 602757 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, on pc, the bios gets the vga console working very early, and it has a very easy interface even if you access the vga memory directly rather than through the bios
< 1432322070 133929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use the PC character set.
< 1432322071 352930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, people don't normally struggle to port Linux to x86 nowadays
< 1432322075 459681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a very good x86 port already
< 1432322077 648892 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1432322088 990940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you switch to graphics mode, you have to handle the font rendering
< 1432322095 518235 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bios can do that, but only in real mode
< 1432322159 478514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, people want fancy graphical splash screens in the vga card, then in the bios, then in the boot loader, then in the early kernel, then in the initrd, then in early x11, then in the login procedure
< 1432322170 373013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because people get scared by tesxt
< 1432322171 920079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*text
< 1432322173 909838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when you start the program or something
< 1432322186 669017 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like eight different splash screens, each implemented differently
< 1432322190 286830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Plymouth at least (between initrd and x11 IIRC) just disappears if you press esc
< 1432322204 897108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like it never switch to graphics mode until X starts...
< 1432322237 974769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, and there may be a monitor splash screen too in modern tft monitors)
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< 1432322279 436114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinion is monitor spash screen should not be displayed unless there is no other picture available to display
< 1432322305 146450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one have only the vga card and bios splash screens on my computer, and I think those are in text mode.
< 1432322307 620342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if there is no other picture then it should display its own splash screen for perhaps one second, you can see how it can display a picture at least.
< 1432322313 229100 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any of the others enabled.
< 1432322387 263279 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, and the on-screen menus should tell what the allowed hsync and vrefresh ranges and resolution are for vga signal, rather than just a no-information error message about invalid signal
< 1432322410 673909 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be trivial, but no
< 1432322412 208683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that too; I agree that too very much.
< 1432322421 906153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not anywhere in the monitor's documentation or anything
< 1432322423 583842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The on screen menus ought to still work if there is no signal!
< 1432322431 103489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be stamped on the back of the screen, but it's not on the label these days
< 1432322431 781816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to tell you such information if it is available.
< 1432322442 620332 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the menus work, they never tell that information
< 1432322462 53402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get the menus to work because, like, standard vga modes should work, right?
< 1432322471 689096 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the menus don't tell any of this useful stuff
< 1432322486 889212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so sad
< 1432322520 685804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After displaying the splash screen though it should enter power-saving mode, until either there is a signal or you push some of the other buttons on the monitor. If there is a signal it can display it should bypass the splash screen if possible (if the input is HDMI then maybe it takes some time anyways; I don't quite know)
< 1432322545 771767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to search the internet, and even there such info is usually hard to find, or just test what works, because at least these days you can't destroy the hardware so easily by giving invalid video signal
< 1432322549 889854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should still be written physically on the back of the monitor too though, in case it is not plugged in.
< 1432322563 255647 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, that could help
< 1432322573 305138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm saying the menus should display it because that wouldn't even cost them anything
< 1432322577 649585 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puppy linux is relatively devoid of splash screens
< 1432322594 114282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they know the ranges (the nominal ranges at least, obviously the actual range might be very slightly larger) and resolution
< 1432322604 264373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have lots of long text compared to this in menus
< 1432322610 931566 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :localized to ten languages too
< 1432322673 108434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I agree the menu should still display if the monitor is turned on regardless if a input signal is available or not.
< 1432322699 185635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eight splash screens… it's just crazy
< 1432322791 510673 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just rebooted puppy to count. First bios, then a blinking cursor of 1 second, then a picture of a puppy with text detailing the boot process, then more text, then desktop
< 1432322819 140914 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having a login screen helps
< 1432322827 765839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's in the EDID data hth
< 1432322836 826498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: by the way, sometimes you can't see the vga card splash screen because the tft monitor takes too long to start up
< 1432322842 339407 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny
< 1432322872 89902 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that is probably what is happening
< 1432322872 266096 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less funny when you don't see the bios splash screen which tells you which key to press to access the setup because the monitor starts up that slow
< 1432322891 865351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all vga cards have a separate splash screen of course
< 1432322903 850908 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually just spam the F keys
< 1432322922 462588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yes, the f keys, escape, del, insert, tab, and combinations with shift and control and alt
< 1432322925 923604 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those usually work
< 1432322949 360373 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab? really? hm.. 
< 1432322949 568425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you probably only get like 16 keys to try before the buffer fills up
< 1432322972 732739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I think tab isn't used for setup, but for suppressing the bios splash screen to get actual messages on text from the bios
< 1432322983 616695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even that could be useful if that screen says "press f1 for bios" or something
< 1432323000 368648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not suppressing
< 1432323007 818305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :switching to text screen
< 1432323016 211711 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late to suppress the splash screen by the time it's read
< 1432323308 82889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/aaiF  Okay, you still need to actually get it *out* of the EDID. (FWIW, it's decoded properly in Xorg log. I blame nvidia.)
< 1432323481 873019 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow, that line has very few words
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< 1432323491 175077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's all abbreviations and technical stuff
< 1432323563 775912 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see
< 1432323573 583114 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's supposedly there
< 1432323615 636460 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, these days I insist on using DVI instead of VGA connection, and computers have enough resources that I run X11 all the time, no text console stuff, so all of that is getting less relevant
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< 1432323676 530736 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run X and then run a terminal und4er X and aften nothing else
< 1432323707 257325 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yes, like that
< 1432323730 368623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the old days that could cause problems because it tied up some significant memory and cpu
< 1432323752 588160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days it's somewhat less (though it still ties up 1/10 of the memory bandwidth on this old machine)
< 1432323764 643701 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"old"
< 1432323769 867851 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really old
< 1432323772 425488 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, you know
< 1432323786 408283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers get faster and faster very quickly
< 1432323829 195892 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this machine is 9 years old...
< 1432323851 738814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how old exactly this is
< 1432323852 425369 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that means like, 2006. so not even that old
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< 1432323898 952215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave up not running X when I switched away from Matrox graphics cards.
< 1432323906 930789 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... switching to the console and then running the terminal on that works fairly well
< 1432323941 199192 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the terminal...I means GNU screen not the terminal
< 1432323963 798062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works more than fine on this machine too. it's worked already on the two previous computers before this.
< 1432323974 680077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, maybe one and a half
< 1432323994 582998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about the PII one that was two before this
< 1432324001 425743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but definitely fine on the P4 system before this
< 1432324022 302124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like this system though
< 1432324026 455451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great
< 1432324029 775718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardware that is
< 1432324033 460518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to reinstall the software
< 1432324057 556433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Digi-RGB is better than DVI and HDMI and VGA and so on. A Digi-RGB monitor ought to take two frames to start up (because the screen resolution won't be known until one entire frame has passed; it won't know where to start drawing either until one entire frame has passed).
< 1432324081 200356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had at least a Mystique 220 and a G450, and they both were very good. mplayer had a 'mga' output driver that didn't need X.
< 1432324111 199596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some graphical programs can run even without X
< 1432324155 168712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, it's not really just the frames that limit the startup
< 1432324175 935482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's mostly the electronics in the monitor, like powering up the backlight 
< 1432324207 437244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it can power up the backlight independently though?
< 1432324219 138642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :independently from what?
< 1432324244 685959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't just keep the backlight powered up at all time because that would waste energy. it has to start that when it notices there's video signal as you turn on the machine.
< 1432324268 240635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be other stuff it has to do too, I don't know electronics
< 1432324278 578811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this Digi-RGB stuff?
< 1432324282 629076 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like have a backlight switch that is on the side, independent of everything
< 1432324283 563857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean independently from the displaying signal; I don't mean it would keep the backlight on all the time!
< 1432324302 335341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Although maybe that might work too
< 1432324329 756640 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Digi-RGB?
< 1432324383 270993 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: The electrical specification is not written yet, but the rest is like this: All signals go from the computer to the display; only one direction. Signals are 4x red, 4x green, 4x blue, clock, sync, power, ground. You have two clock cycles per pixel, and sync is between frames. Aspect ratio must be eiter 4:3 or 16:9.
< 1432324410 532193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how it works.
< 1432324413 421219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know which of the modern digital formats (DVI and HDMI and there's like two more I think) is better, I'm just claiming I want to use a digital video signal format rather than VGA (or other analog formats)
< 1432324451 723763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no limit to screen resolution or clock rate, although a minimum "base case" should be specified
< 1432324457 220346 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, that seems a bit limited
< 1432324475 718933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one, I have a 16:10 monitor
< 1432324504 277861 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, even if most use cases don't need it, sometimes it does make sense to have more than 8 bit depth per color component
< 1432324526 747619 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:10 is good because then you can display a movie, with the player interface in the smallextra space
< 1432324540 324847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDMI equals DVI + stuff (- other stuff), AIUI.
< 1432324549 329130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that most people use 16:9 because that's what the cheap monitors do
< 1432324550 748899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to complicate it
< 1432324558 731867 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a lot of 5:4 monitors
< 1432324564 110955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that description covers everything. But still.
< 1432324567 560589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and projectors
< 1432324587 326301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in particular, hdmi can transmit sound in the same wire, dvi can't
< 1432324627 992448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the basic part of transferring an image, they're supposedly identical. Which is why you can get passive adapters for the conversion.
< 1432324630 179029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dvi has pins for analog signal so you can have a passive dvi-vga converter or something like that
< 1432324637 538355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Yes I suppose that is true if you want to display the timecode and track number while the movie is playing perhaps, but usually I just don't need this.
< 1432324666 460247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, I think you get passive adapters because the hdmi monitors and cards specifically have support for the converters
< 1432324674 866433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digi-RGB-Plus can transmit analog stereo sound on the same cable as digital video; Digi-RGB doesn't though. It is designed though that a passive cable can convert between them with no compatibility issues.
< 1432324675 42774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1432324676 735958 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the ps2 to usb converters for mous
< 1432324690 764190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which works because the mouse has built-in support for usb and ps2 or something
< 1432324695 202167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it like that/
< 1432324699 646446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DVI and HDMI have the same electrical specifications for their TMDS and VESA/DDC links."
< 1432324703 787967 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :support both, just one plug for physical reasons
< 1432324710 833812 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ok
< 1432324749 555595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's I think some, uh, mini-hdmi with a smaller plug, just not called that, and some other similar digital format
< 1432324759 272823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dvi is actually more than one formats too
< 1432324765 232717 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly I don't follow
< 1432324767 833957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a computer monitor connected to a VCR/DVD combo, you can connect the HDMI out of the VCR to the DVI in of the monitor but then there is no sound. However, the speakers can be connected to the other audio out on the VCR and then the sound will work too.
< 1432324771 414520 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, HDMI is specifically designed to have its on-wire protocol an extension of DVI.
< 1432324772 383216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's all very complicated.
< 1432324817 421648 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a matter of the monitors and cards having explicit support but rather that HDMI itself is inherently DVI-compatible.
< 1432324839 464349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but how is that possible? doesn't HDMI have too few pins in the connector for that?
< 1432324866 697697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does drop the analog parts.
< 1432324872 644425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but even still
< 1432324884 560466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe dvi doesn't actually use that many pins
< 1432324896 584765 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's like the two rs232 serial port connectors
< 1432324902 884973 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems riddiculous too
< 1432324917 667885 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVI has 24 pins, but some of them are not at all necessary.
< 1432324918 683043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that matter, I think one of my outputs in the current graphics cards is DVI-D-only.
< 1432324919 279326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're exactly the same, the long one just has some unused or duplicated pins
< 1432324966 408579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :13w3 for all, I say -- it looks the funniest.
< 1432324981 226861 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 13w3?
< 1432324985 952198 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVI has 5 TMDS lines while HDMI has 2, but DVI doesn't require all 5 of those to work.
< 1432325000 518331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digi-RGB-Plus is Digi-RGB + analog stereo sound + control signal. The specification requires that it will function properly even if one or the other device does not support the control signal. (Also, the control signal is the reverse direction from the other signals.)
< 1432325025 847732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, Digi-thigy actually has analog sound
< 1432325028 478927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny
< 1432325044 727998 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DVI single link I believe only requires 2 TMDS lines)
< 1432325049 734700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they really master naming stuff
< 1432325078 364735 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, I thought DVI actually required a lot of pins
< 1432325082 863439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not all of them, but a lot
< 1432325105 66425 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but those same pins are on HDMI as well.
< 1432325126 550636 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDMI *just* has the set of pins required for DVI it looks like.
< 1432325132 795748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MHL is that one thing that can share a port with micro-USB and be "HDMI-compatible" in a very weak sense -- in the way that the other end can share a HDMI port, but both ends need to specially support MHL.
< 1432325136 618840 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432325142 247835 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many pins is that actually?
< 1432325145 834075 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :19.
< 1432325149 740015 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432325155 212302 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does higher quality video by clocking the lines faster rather than adding more lines.
< 1432325193 719906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's the DisplayPort side, and I think they had a "MHL-equivalent".
< 1432325201 459813 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh by the way, I believe USB-3 also works in such a way that it's "compatible" with USB-2 because the USB-3 host actually has a full USB-2 host built in it
< 1432325235 554912 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the connector of USB-3 has all the pins of USB-2 so you can plug in an USB-2 cable physically
< 1432325242 324449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just handles USB-2 separately
< 1432325250 68404 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, USB-3 works entirely over separate wires with USB-2 (in USB-3 mode) used for some initial protocol setup.
< 1432325278 380648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinion is DisplayPort and HDMI is complicated and has some kind of more problem; I invented Digi-RGB and Digi-RGB-Plus to be better systems.
< 1432325341 442612 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, weird -- there's nothing useful even missing from DB-25 on DE-9. I figured it was just obscure stuff.
< 1432325342 755674 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok, but still, supporting only 16:9 and 4:3 is limited
< 1432325343 219060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to pay or register to use it, but, if you impleemnt it wrong and claim it is Digi-RGB then it is a trademark violation.
< 1432325357 39216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works for most projectors but not for some monitors
< 1432325378 135664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB 3.1 type C cables can carry a MHL 3.0 or a DisplayPort 1.3 signal, to further muddle things.
< 1432325401 168498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's the relation of USB* to ESATA?
< 1432325413 377877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: One problem is if too many aspect ratios are possible then it might become difficult to figure out what the aspect ratio is from the signal.
< 1432325444 253428 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Utterly unrelated, but some ports ("eSATAp") are built to accept both eSATA and USB connectors.
< 1432325457 651156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can't there be a dummy row between frames, with a sync signal before and after it, or something?
< 1432325466 153369 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you don't want to pay for a hsync signal
< 1432325481 380615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I see
< 1432325487 993000 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just something that you can shove both types of connectors into and it'll work.
< 1432325496 323993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1432325503 492180 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, slightly more usefully, you can have an eSATA device that draws power from that USB port too.
< 1432325505 816073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a notebook thing then
< 1432325513 314789 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1432325515 143972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You can also carry PCI Express over SATA ("SATA Express" or something like that).
< 1432325515 391764 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, mind you, the whole idea of esata is probably a notebook thing
< 1432325527 739474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we desktop people have space in the desktop to install four hard disks
< 1432325533 617406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :notebook people can install only two
< 1432325538 472950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes only one
< 1432325563 547130 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks, how can you use a notebook as your main computer when you can't have multiple hard disks for redundancy? that's something I never understood
< 1432325571 983802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, they use usb external disks and stuff, but still
< 1432325574 330323 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's complicated
< 1432325581 184517 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're feeling really fancy you can shove a port multiplier on there and run, like, all the hard drives.
< 1432325588 899202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what, that sounds crazy
< 1432325593 529211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use the cloud for redundancy, too.
< 1432325611 387743 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use SD cards for backups
< 1432325620 283967 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the problem is that you physically can't fit the hard disks inside the notebook chasis, not that there isn't enough port
< 1432325634 196815 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, true.
< 1432325652 432969 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd have to be a *big fucking laptop* to do more than two.
< 1432325654 570977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think it's mainly so that SSD manufacturers can make single controllers for both PCIE and "SATA" SSDs without being limited to SATA.
< 1432325676 519286 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, even those notebook hard disks have to be small size (one of three small sizes actually, with different but passive convertible connnectors), and I think small size 2 terabyte hard disks are significantly more expensive than large size
< 1432325682 203443 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*My* solution is to use my laptop as an SSH terminal and web browser.
< 1432325717 681610 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's getting even crazier when people want to put an ssd in their notebook, because that takes up a hard disk slot
< 1432325729 893359 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sure, that does work, what I don't understand is using them as a main machine
< 1432325730 69552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "SATA Express" port looks like two side-by-side SATA ports, and I think they also generally work as regular SATA if you want.
< 1432325750 810616 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: A lot of people also don't bother with, y'know, redundancy on drives in general.
< 1432325758 128038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, I know
< 1432325776 825209 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also don't want to upgrade parts of their machine too
< 1432325784 434155 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just buy a whole new machine
< 1432325804 115355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminded me of http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/08/10
< 1432325859 579698 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh
< 1432325915 879521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you explain how you would do such dummy row and those stuff?
< 1432325943 733903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, if you had an extra hsync signal, you could send a hsync signal at the end of each row, right?
< 1432325965 688916 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably do that in the digital signal too if you made one color value special, but that's not practical with 8 bit depth
< 1432325983 868575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think analog encodes the hsync signal with some out of range value or something, I'm not sure)
< 1432326015 170710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("They " also have a new thing called "NVMe" to replace AHCI as the logical interface. Basically, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA_Express#/media/File:SATA_Express_interface.svg
< 1432326055 864157 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want to do that, but you still have a vrefresh signal, you could do like this: vrefresh signal, first row, vrefresh signal, second row, third row, fourth row, ... 1200th row, start from beginning
< 1432326075 701920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you decode that by checking three consecutive vsync signals, 
< 1432326112 305482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the distance of the first and third gives the full resolution (plus whatever overhead there is), the distance of the two vsync signals that are closer give the length of one row (plus possible overhead)
< 1432326126 66295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(provided there's at least three rows)
< 1432326141 272637 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't do electronics, so I don't know how practical that would actually be
< 1432326143 835873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you could do that with a hsync signal and it is correct it won't work with 8-bit depths only. My idea was that there is no clocks during hsync, and that hsync may be of zero time or more. A CRT display is allowed to require a specific hsync time but LCD/LED displays shouldn't.
< 1432326159 551354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: That seems an interesting idea; I don't quite know how practical it is either though.
< 1432326178 440986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try discussing it with others I work with though and see
< 1432326202 145588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, you know, you could send digital metadata (telling the resolution and pixel depth and format stuff) after the vsync signal, but you probably don't want that
< 1432326264 926713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is this supposed to work with only lcd monitors and projectors? or more than that?
< 1432326315 67361 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you could also waste a few pixels or rows at vsync or hsync and send metadata at that time
< 1432326318 314934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably only LCD monitors and projectors. Someone can make a CRT to work with it too if they want to but it isn't really designed to work with CRT.
< 1432326361 167028 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: like, use a hsync signal instead of a vsync signal, waste at least one pixel data during hsync, and distinguish vsync from hsync by special values on the pixel pins
< 1432326374 82139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or by a longer sync, which is what vga does)
< 1432326384 77809 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know if wasting pixels at every _hsync_ is a good idea
< 1432326402 675181 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how about those fancy low-res led matrices?
< 1432326410 511172 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not led backlit, but made of leds
< 1432326418 838324 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :low resolution, one or two or three color channels
< 1432326445 103520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are some ideas too but I don't want to add metadata or require hsync in specific ways. I don't know how those fancy low-res led matrices work. If you can provide details then I can answer you.
< 1432326467 267283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh by the way, besides more than 8 pixel depth, what I'd like is more than 3 color channels, for both cameras and monitors, and custom metadata that describes the spectrum of each color component)
< 1432326485 70624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but that's like wishlist category)
< 1432326496 990974 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, I also "want a pony")
< 1432326513 833192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, I do not want to complicate it.
< 1432326526 662988 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok
< 1432326542 883244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is the vsync zero pixel long, or longer? fixed or variable length?
< 1432326622 885695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vsync is zero pixel long but the amount of time it takes can be more than zero.
< 1432326639 671081 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's what I mean
< 1432326644 127181 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not actual pixels
< 1432326649 843059 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just time stuff in pixels for video signals
< 1432326659 954905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the video card runs on a clock
< 1432326672 361391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no clock signals during vsync or hsync though, but the vsync signal will indicate vsync.
< 1432326676 830181 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it gets crazier with the optional 9/8 multipler of vga text mode. I don't know how that works.)
< 1432326695 695594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how does the monitor know how long the vsync is?
< 1432326748 514868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is a LCD monitor then does it need to know, if it can just start right after vsync?
< 1432326763 865194 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to create the Wikipedia page "Israel with sea download".
< 1432326791 691089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should probably add a delay for vsync and hsync in case the display wants it anyways though, but it is not a requirement.
< 1432326824 70985 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, but then how does it know when the previous frame ends?
< 1432326879 343975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it has to know when the previous frame ends and when the current frame starts, right?
< 1432326908 461372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sync signal is active after the current frame ends
< 1432326928 267976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, even if limited to 8 bit depth and those fixed ratios, is this intended to support monitors with high resolution and high frame rate, possibly higher than what you can buy today?
< 1432326954 145936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and when does the sync signal gets passive?
< 1432326991 410592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then sync is inactive then you will start the picture.
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< 1432326998 40641 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but then you can't have zero time sync
< 1432327005 324720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes it is intended to support monitors with high resolution and high frame rate, as well as low ones.
< 1432327021 306050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it be active for at least the last one pixel (a fixed number of pixels) in the previous frame?
< 1432327035 957550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Well, yes, it isn't really "zero time"; it should be at least enough time for half a pixel, probably more
< 1432327108 80497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you want to support zero time, shouldn't you make it active for the last few pixels in the previous frame?
< 1432327142 286416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, possibly even shifted back in time so it's passive a few pixels before the next frame)
< 1432327158 689529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it be half a pixel? there's a clock signal, isn't there?
< 1432327161 833719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I made a mistake about zero time, but thank you for your suggestion anyways it might be considered. Perhaps at least the clock fall of the last half-pixel should be, at least
< 1432327175 25304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It is two clocks per pixel, so one clock is half of a pixel
< 1432327175 924569 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not, like, implicit timing like some protocols do
< 1432327181 538086 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1432327182 657956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432327186 346083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two clocks per pixel
< 1432327191 262245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Otherwise there is too many pins)
< 1432327194 670450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it represented in the clock wire by the way?
< 1432327197 971861 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clock signal that is
< 1432327244 941798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clock signal is high during each half-pixel and then is low, and then you do next one
< 1432327253 138807 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432327282 387067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like many other things are
< 1432327464 13994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1432327481 154899 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you even detecting between 9:16 and 4:3 ratio? are some sizes of those disallowed?
< 1432327634 194632 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, any 9:16 resolution has a pixel count that's valid in some 4:3 ratio resolution, just usually an unusual one
< 1432327643 918002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's not that many resolutions actually in use
< 1432327658 246574 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there's any ambiguity among already used resolutions
< 1432327695 191223 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would a monitor support only one of those ratios?
< 1432327882 250650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I don't remember having seen ais523 on irc for such a long interval continuously (with short breaks which I assume are connection problems)
< 1432327951 230810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's logged in near 0545Z
< 1432327974 636308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you show example of the pixel count?
< 1432327989 399480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, perhaps I missed it
< 1432327990 731942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I mean as in horizontal resolution times vertical resolution
< 1432328000 308261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it isn't supposed to be
< 1432328015 416821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are probably right though
< 1432328020 195570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for my 1920x1200 pixel monitor, that would be 1920*1200
< 1432328030 205352 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is 2304000
< 1432328034 948351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know that
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< 1432328726 695525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How you figure out is try to calculate the square root of the number of pixels and figure out what factor is left over. If it is 1 then it is 16:9. If it is 3 then it is 4:3.
< 1432328800 787690 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1432328822 104028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will this work?
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< 1432329000 978351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also figure out if it is square during counting, because the square number is added up 1+3+5+7+9+11+13+...
< 1432329069 486030 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no. there's always a lcm of any two rectangular screen ratios, so there's always a screen resolution where the pixel count is ambiguous
< 1432329083 845771 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as in lcm(16*9, 4*3)
< 1432329110 202585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lcm could be very large so only large resolutions can be ambiguous, but not for these ratios, where it's 144
< 1432329160 995589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unless you use non-rectangular screens (eg. adding an extra pixel to the end of 4*3 screens so you can distinguish from the parity of the pixel count) you're screweed
< 1432329271 940753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this laptop supports both 1360x768 and 1366x768 as resolutions
< 1432329320 379054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm wait
< 1432329324 742094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm wrong because I'm tired
< 1432329340 104370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's no collision actually
< 1432329529 851271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, no collision, you're right
< 1432329530 806507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1432329534 552222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired
< 1432329641 252376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: also lcm(16*9, 4*3) is 16*9, for what I hope are obvious reasons
< 1432329654 459880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1432329664 276801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the value I said?
< 1432329668 607782 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turns out it's not the lcm that matters
< 1432330715 727618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any more feature-suggestion/complaints about AmigaMML today?
< 1432330722 8359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no
< 1432330754 201891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did answer a question you asked in 2011, though: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Underload#Why_the_reserved_characters.3F
< 1432330757 888082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if you're still interested in the answer
< 1432330804 63500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did look at that answer; thank you for that
< 1432331171 783683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, since this is a bit weird, maybe I'll mention here: I've got a mouse (just a plain Logitech M500-or-something-like-that), and a USB 2.0 hub (just your basic cheap unpowered 4-port thing), and on this desktop, the mouse stops working generally after 1-60 minutes of use; but it works fine if (a) the mouse is plugged into the machine, not the hub, or (b) the hub is plugged into the laptop, ...
< 1432331177 770785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... not the desktop. Oh, and the original setup used to work fine earlier, but now reliably fails.
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< 1432331212 328252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and unplugging + replugging makes it start working for a while again.
< 1432331218 244242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debugging tips? As I recall, dmesg doesn't contain any particularly insightful messages when it stops working; it just... stops.
< 1432331258 717996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe I should just get another cheap hub.)
< 1432331267 738157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: check the X log, just in case?
< 1432331321 559814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I guess I should. I'll plug it into the hub and wait.
< 1432331504 368694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it hung up. Nothing in dmesg; no 'disconnected' message or anything.
< 1432331578 32425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing in Xorg.0.log either.
< 1432331587 835396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think the cursor just disappeared.
< 1432331602 910360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I just forgot where it was.
< 1432331616 156308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's moved to the other monitor. Hmm.
< 1432331625 596248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know what's up with that either.
< 1432331678 946586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those infrared dealies, so I can't even see whether it's emitting light.
< 1432331737 530071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering what the easiest way to see in infrared is
< 1432331746 870928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't rely on flourescence like you can with UV
< 1432331754 154236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The generally accepted answer to that is I think "cheap webcam".
< 1432331760 677189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For near infrared, that is.
< 1432331765 885802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, that's too cheap to filter the IR out?
< 1432331768 746575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually pretty hilarious
< 1432331782 4145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, with a lot of them you can see at least a TV remote IR led.
< 1432331815 179484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some of them have a "night vision" mode which turns on an IR led in the camera.
< 1432331905 733912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, I remember many years ago
< 1432331926 44456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading a New Scientist article which was talking about this new innovation that made photodiodes much more efficient, but as a side effect made them see into the infrared
< 1432331932 571989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it's been widely adopted since
< 1432331942 738857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they were unclear on whether this was an advantage or disadvantage)
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< 1432332337 849611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmaybe. I am at least under the impression that "most" CCD sensors are IR-sensitive enough to require an explicit IR filter. (People post instructions on how to dismantle some DSLRs to remove the sensor, so that you can do IR photography for artistic purposes.)
< 1432332350 978158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/remove the sensor/remove the filter/
< 1432332363 725211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm sure removing the sensor would be a valid artistic choice too.
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< 1432332506 3614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: aren't there easier ways to get an entirely black image? :-)
< 1432332511 698062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: telephone cameras are also easy to check ir with
< 1432332527 556942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that's because the ir filter is expensive or thick
< 1432332533 947379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried my phone camera, and it didn't show anything. Of course I don't know anything about what sort of light comes out of the mouse.
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< 1432332547 654433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my phone camera definitely shows some IR lights
< 1432332555 61854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might depend on the frequency of course
< 1432332589 588708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Don't see anything here; not that I know how bright it is, either, or if it's easy to trigger.
< 1432332605 191363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MS IntelliMouse I had was this ridiculously bright (visible) red.
< 1432332616 811990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You pretty much didn't need any lights in the room.
< 1432332631 933381 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432332637 746421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, figuratively
< 1432332645 345540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like lots of lights
< 1432332671 958965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's a computer lab at the university that's full of those mice
< 1432332693 71670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when they turn the lights off in the room at night, there's still this angry red glow that's visible at a huge distance
< 1432332711 547014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mice are plotting the doom of the human race there.
< 1432332731 477225 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's what they're plotting.
< 1432332750 96668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1432332785 123644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded the new version of SoX but now it says there is no default audio device configured.
< 1432332789 66094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like http://www.xkcd.com/251/ ?
< 1432332897 454433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifying "-t waveaudio default" instead of "-d" works, but how to make it so that "-d" will also work?
< 1432332958 487388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it reads some environment variables for the default? 
< 1432332974 658534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What environment variables are these?
< 1432332982 584623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I might be wrong here.)
< 1432333049 299654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUDIODRIVER and AUDIODEV are mentioned in the man page. Although it's curious that a (presumably) Windows binary wouldn't have the reasonable default.
< 1432333049 510801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I think I found it
< 1432333076 193516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that works
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< 1432333887 778916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the "libsox-3.dll" but how to link it into a C program with GCC?
< 1432334200 950811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done a little bit of that with MinGW, but I've forgotten the process. I think it involved the use of the MinGW 'dlltool'. (I'm not sure about Cygwin and such.)
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< 1432334345 475231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague feeling it was complicated, since the normal way was to start from the source code of the .dll.
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< 1432334406 292743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to work with UNIX too not only on Windows
< 1432334474 947051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the build steps will need to be platform-specific. Unless something like libtool can abstract that away.
< 1432334482 861439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will specifying the .dll as an additional source file work?
< 1432334539 894570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, maybe this has changed.
< 1432334553 886700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was doing this, you definitely needed to generate the special "import library" to link against.
< 1432334573 415272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now http://www.mingw.org/wiki/createimportlibraries claims that: "Usually (read: for all DLLs created with MinGW and also a few others) MinGW links fine against a DLL. No special import library is necessary (see sampleDLL)."
< 1432334576 735839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creating DLLs with MinGW works easily and I have done it perfectly fine; the only issue is that if you want to call any functions in the DLL from Visual Basic then you need to write "_stdcall" in front of those function definitions.
< 1432334601 115000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having the separate import library helps to avoid circular dependencies though
< 1432334618 480826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Typing _stdcall isn't necessary in any other cases, it seems)
< 1432334664 647130 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially what it does when you pass a dll to it is generate the import library automatically.
< 1432334728 521505 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the symbols are exported by name, of course)
< 1432334735 765507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I thought it generated more efficient code than the import library based version
< 1432334748 192084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it inlines the import library, or something like that?
< 1432334765 778035 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, that's what __declspec(dllimport) does.
< 1432334800 424363 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such inlining cannot possibly be done at link time.
< 1432334991 790203 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432335104 851760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do seem to be exported by name; if I look in the dependency viewer, all of the names are listed there.
< 1432335153 386001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the program be used on Linux too if libsox is also available on Linux?
< 1432335210 795596 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likely. libsox *is* on Linux.
< 1432335212 644009 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432335215 550452 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:52:33 --- quit: zies- (*.net *.spit)
< 1432335269 468902 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neural net still has things to learn.
< 1432335273 632926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, what changes are then needed in the source-file of the program (if any)?
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< 1432335370 407237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how to find the header file for libsox?
< 1432335628 923153 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432335774 807101 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mad Max: Fury Road was a film
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< 1432336439 644899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the sox.h file and now it compiles but it says "The procedure entry point GOMP_parallel could not be located in the dynamic link library libgomp-1.dll."
< 1432336461 525140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That file is in the path though
< 1432336515 62487 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432336552 820025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dependency Walker says that GOMP_parallel is exported from libgomp-1.dll too
< 1432336661 194131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program works when the current directory contains libgomp-1.dll
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< 1432338037 480905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out the mistake is that I had a different version of libgomp-1.dll in a different directory and it found the wrong one.
< 1432338057 496267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing the order of the path partially fixed it.
< 1432338084 15237 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Groovy14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43024 5* 03189.8.69.39 5* (+15) 10Created page with "is a java thing"
< 1432338174 239145 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432338498 478434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I fixed it more
< 1432338508 15053 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on I thought Groovy was that port of python to JRE?
< 1432338527 574309 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait that's Jython
< 1432338797 207240 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's not an esoteric language in any case
< 1432338885 620654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the article (which just says "is a java thing") is worthless, in any case.
< 1432339902 796811 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1432340851 164091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432342207 545061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can SoX load a LADSPA plugin by number?
< 1432342287 962715 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432343526 591842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, SoX uses a different code for compile-time assertions. Some programs use a global array variable. I use a structure containing an array. SoX uses a enum with a division (so you get a division by zero if the assertion is false).
< 1432343816 550593 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope nobody minds if I download all the logs from January 2014 through April 2015 from codu.org.
< 1432343877 429106 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you don't mind using newer features, _Static_assert is quite nice.
< 1432343989 530563 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :25.3 megabytes, oh boy.
< 1432344130 909621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have always used a structure containing an array and it works; this was before I saw how any other program did it (or even knew of such thing), and I still think it is better than declaring a variable.
< 1432344170 343420 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :f
< 1432344213 395536 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_Static_assert is a C11 feature that causes a build failure with a nice message if a constant expression is true. Quite convenient.)
< 1432344235 684287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a macro that expands to the array version or C11 version depending on version
< 1432344251 447885 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the way I tend to roll.
< 1432344255 914527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that you need to use -1 as the array size for a failure and +1 for success; gcc is fine with a 0-sized array, some compilers aren't)
< 1432344290 968388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know; I find 0-sized arra useful sometimes
< 1432344298 102187 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C11 version is nice but new enough that there's not any way you can even pretend it's ubiquitous.
< 1432344310 259454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do use -1 for failure and +1 for success (by a ? : operator) in this case.
< 1432344386 519096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sox.h uses the following macro:   #define lsx_static_assert(e,f) enum {lsx_static_assert_##f = 1/((e) ? 1 : 0)}  So, if e is false then it is dividing by zero at compile-time.
< 1432344406 439553 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah.
< 1432345226 931058 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol seems like there are many ways to "dynamically" cause a screwup at compile time
< 1432345789 441298 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'I=1 I/0' | scrip7
< 1432345790 154771 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432345800 699122 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'I=1 I/0 _pI' | scrip7
< 1432345801 403549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1432345998 94683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think bzip2 checks at runtime instead though (I don't know why they didn't make it to check the sizes of types at compile-time)
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< 1432346070 484666 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:55:22:  mrome_plabatexkells forby
< 1432346078 235876 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The net is currently stupid.
< 1432346121 369783 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432346238 435234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I did make a patch to bzip2 to check at compile-time. An error message is also possible, but #error doesn't work; you need #line instead.
< 1432346499 831470 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, it generated something it thinks I said:
< 1432346501 360784 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : And outher bechack has only suppoper.
< 1432346510 300742 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally said that.
< 1432346814 587331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1432347136 150075 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1432349198 745991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find a few problems with LADSPA, LV2, and some other audio plugin architectures; I have my own kind of idea, where plugins are identified by URIs like in LV2, but the RDF graph is compiled into the plugin rather than external and is also completely optional; also the port types are different, and there are some other differences too.
< 1432349385 994652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example you can have:   void*plugin_enum(void*(*callback)(const char*uri,char compat,Plugin*plugin)); Plugin*plugin_find(const char*uri); Plugin_Instance*plugin_open(Plugin*p); void plugin_enum_triples(......
< 1432349413 563299 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crud
< 1432349420 929479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I forgot my password
< 1432349434 526829 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For this encrypted directory
< 1432349480 693465 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think I have it
< 1432349502 488997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's breaking for a different reason
< 1432349752 894431 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
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< 1432352157 913553 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, stiff on how brain works is pretty itneresting in general.
< 1432352171 118465 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wrong channel.
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< 1432353753 893243 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fung*t doesn't answer to fung*t, right?
< 1432353758 590357 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I was saying.
< 1432353823 577415 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stage 1: the neural net's output is less accurate than fung*t's. Stage 2: the neural net's output is more accurate than fung*t's. Stage 3: the neural net's output accurately simulates fung*t's inaccuracies.
< 1432353833 785586 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This neural net is currently in stage 1, alas.
< 1432353834 929652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made up the syntax highlighting programming language; it is: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/syntax_highlighter
< 1432353942 257410 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 2 1 2 4 3 4 4 3 3} {{3 4} {1 2 4 3} {} {{}}}{{{}}{{}}}
< 1432353955 323297 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsqbot isn't here.
< 1432353959 483193 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NB: I have no idea what blsq is.
< 1432353982 202703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this draft format is good or do you suggest other changes please?
< 1432354090 222675 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an example of what the neural net can produce when you tell it to try not to produce too much nonsense:
< 1432354092 23356 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:46:04:  ais523: you can should see the commands some of the result to the reg for the BAIC borth one on the same since as bothered the question of the first been with for Data
< 1432354191 954320 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here's what it produces when you tell it to produce *extra* nonsense:
< 1432354201 552864 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:21:48:  oh, weird Wither thosis, trotoses without ntr p(  etrollessais mirener?
< 1432354226 231945 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also:
< 1432354226 902716 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:08:55: * ooilFlayLig compiling peyhecasfulk, UR". VN,MIOTEAA\ bEW3? "bogoott"
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< 1432355025 50431 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
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< 1432357132 353069 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1432357143 821434 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :realized that I don't know how to make a brainfuck interpreter on an arduino
< 1432357149 112369 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, naturally, I must make one
< 1432357736 547550 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
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< 1432360077 15055 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka
< 1432360185 181842 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the minimum tape length for brainfuck?
< 1432360296 807378 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 256 bytes enough?
< 1432360366 168884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you act as if there is some supreme arbiter of brainfuck
< 1432360408 67775 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a yes?
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< 1432360461 905892 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an impelling to answer your own questions
< 1432360480 10164 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to make an interpreter for a device with 2k of ram
< 1432360538 559895 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is very little overhead for a bf interpreter
< 1432360544 60841 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make pretty much all of that tape
< 1432360569 506249 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about program code?
< 1432360591 67305 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and input?
< 1432360624 185102 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's designed to be the language with the shortest compiler, but it ends up being the one with nearly the shortest interpreter in every language
< 1432360638 29985 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :input goes directly into the tape!
< 1432360667 313722 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. no point in caching it
< 1432360684 579445 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :but won't i need to cache the program?
< 1432360733 500084 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Harvie/Programs/blob/master/arduino/BrainFuck/BrainFuck.pde
< 1432360949 182264 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :you misunderstand. i want it to load code from the terminal
< 1432360962 41651 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just display the output
< 1432360964 954918 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure mate
< 1432360983 812758 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just showing you an example of how it was done before, and how little code was required
< 1432360990 157059 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
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< 1432361454 251546 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm working on a multi-unit project at the moment, so i have to dig out an arduino that is not in use instead of using one of the ones i keep lying near my bed for things like this
< 1432361513 694977 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1432362115 815557 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :bac
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< 1432365221 155007 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey augur
< 1432365237 896193 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it being a part of the Exponential Finance meet?
< 1432365269 614157 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f|`-`|f: what
< 1432365304 827226 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.augur.net/blog/augur-selected-to-participate-in-singularity-university-and-cnbc
< 1432365308 567632 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it's you
< 1432365317 634963 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are pretty popular in decentralisation
< 1432365356 9506 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not me, alas
< 1432365376 457517 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only you were a Decentralised Global Prediction Market
< 1432365382 489200 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1432365404 169796 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Cokutosis
< 1432365407 143396 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LS-LMSR
< 1432365415 113512 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automated Bookers
< 1432365433 374610 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual Currency Systems
< 1432365442 108051 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinatorial Markets
< 1432365447 183583 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-Dimensional Markets
< 1432365453 897815 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categorical Markets
< 1432365481 89446 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also an overly flashy video http://www.augur.net/blog/how-augur-works-video
< 1432365499 93673 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :categorical markets
< 1432365503 582394 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you buy category theory proofs
< 1432365611 295266 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1432365624 592105 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They a topic category
< 1432365641 911927 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg, the Markets under Scientific Crap
< 1432365692 323480 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also HoTT uses Infinity Groupoids
< 1432366413 969708 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1432366417 773276 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it!
< 1432366424 616791 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: whatd you get
< 1432366443 141244 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmed brainfuck onto an arduino
< 1432366499 754187 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it evaluates on ']' instead of on '['
< 1432366546 248382 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1432366550 96316 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much easier to do it that way, it seems
< 1432366587 808630 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :tape size = 256
< 1432366621 4828 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :cell value wraps around
< 1432366692 473414 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :max program size = 255
< 1432366731 938474 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quicly tested it with the program "[,.]"
< 1432366833 892017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432367049 67849 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the brainfuck program "[,.]" shouldn't do anything...
< 1432367077 294204 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1432367247 173909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1432367264 835989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loop is skipped
< 1432367292 702161 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:34:39 < Lyka> got it!
< 1432367292 878048 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:34:46 < augur> Lyka: whatd you get
< 1432367292 878123 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:35:05 < Lyka> programmed brainfuck onto an arduino
< 1432367292 878142 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:36:01 < Lyka> though it evaluates on ']' instead of on '['
< 1432367292 878161 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:36:48 < augur> ah
< 1432367295 218135 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:36:52 < Lyka> so much easier to do it that way, it seems
< 1432367297 675649 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:37:29 < Lyka> tape size = 256
< 1432367300 215390 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:38:03 < Lyka> cell value wraps around
< 1432367302 697566 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:39:14 < Lyka> max program size = 255
< 1432367305 109950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432367305 285566 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:39:54 < Lyka> i quicly tested it with the program "[,.]"
< 1432367312 978412 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ oerjan
< 1432367317 523441 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "evaluates on ']'"?
< 1432367336 92104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: um please don't paste the much into the channel, we have logs
< 1432367339 867028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that much
< 1432367365 78162 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do?
< 1432367369 391312 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know
< 1432367381 620529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of them, see topic
< 1432367400 703689 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1432367403 986309 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
< 1432367464 593354 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :where, due to a bug i don't now how to get around yet, "[,.]" acts like ",[.,]" should
< 1432367578 95752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess, you don't actually have code for skipping a loop?
< 1432367612 961425 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know how
< 1432367623 519128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a common newbie problem, i think
< 1432367639 678093 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1432367648 487259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to find the matching ]
< 1432367664 918998 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1432367682 630592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common way is to use a counter for nesting depth
< 1432367691 560427 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that
< 1432367712 484349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe it's more subtle then
< 1432367721 89267 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 sec
< 1432367812 921062 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :the test for zero or nonzero only occurs in the ']'
< 1432367820 771070 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what i wrote
< 1432367833 113156 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of being in the '[' as well
< 1432367848 678120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that does tend to lead to this problem
< 1432367932 839841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it's zero at [ you need to skip at least to the ], without executing anything in between
< 1432367950 262752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can avoid this at the first iteration
< 1432368012 236734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, you need some way of skipping over code that has never been executed.
< 1432368047 121913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you cannot avoid
< 1432368048 305113 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/azC5ZqEH
< 1432368169 314218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this not skipping [...] problem tends to come up in brainfuck because it's the one part of parsing which you _cannot_ do simultaneously with executing.
< 1432368193 12733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you clearly have a "parse and execute at the same time" implementation there.
< 1432368203 753784 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly urban miller was a sadist
< 1432368250 324241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, but brainfuck is ridiculously easy to parse compared with all real programming languages.
< 1432368264 35634 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't serious
< 1432368266 531555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"real"
< 1432368329 106882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the simplest fix is to have a for loop in the code for '[' that skips forward until you reach the same nesting depth again
< 1432368381 255172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. finds the matching ']'
< 1432368432 232169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very optimized but it works
< 1432368543 327334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more efficient way is to actually parse the entire program first to match []s
< 1432368571 857843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you only have to do it once
< 1432368832 409933 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :woring...
< 1432368841 75662 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*working...
< 1432369242 629286 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432369479 238810 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/R4qqTfjA
< 1432369479 889343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : like http://www.xkcd.com/251/ ? <-- it's funny when you can see clear artistic improvement in a stick figure comic...
< 1432369640 74416 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :next step is to have a command that will set everything o the beginning
< 1432369691 142142 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that i won't need to power-cycle or reset the arduino to make another try
< 1432369700 56038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks he'd have used return instead of while (!fin) there

< 1432369715 930743 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432369840 70395 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i will modify and extend the language for my needs
< 1432369858 139758 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hello

< 1432370086 386455 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02Groovy10]]": Not esoteric
< 1432370121 389394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tante meridieb
< 1432370148 975693 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Eurovision Song Contest day!
< 1432370156 698514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay?
< 1432370226 8552 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if Dragostea din tei is what is being referrd to

< 1432370244 753763 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelled it wrong
< 1432370270 643193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that was ever in the contest
< 1432370280 154637 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1432370291 937541 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :only euroean song i now
< 1432370305 732765 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*european
< 1432370312 240665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i think you spelled it correctly.  well the song name.
< 1432370329 931137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you know some others, if you consider that england is in europe
< 1432370340 722826 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1432370358 418728 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :england and ireland count?
< 1432370375 226217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're certainly in the contest, anyway
< 1432370387 900474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least back when i watched it
< 1432370408 777434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, so is israel, so it's a little fuzzy.
< 1432370448 211572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you may know songs in english that happen to be from continental europe.
< 1432370514 464077 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 luftbaloons?
< 1432370525 673662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in german yeah
< 1432370542 427020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think there's an english translation too
< 1432370614 429477 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :french canadans are the ones you pretend not to undestand engish unlesss you swear at them, right?
< 1432370640 557953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to ask boily about that
< 1432370653 653300 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*who pretend
< 1432370727 971933 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka, them and Parisians
< 1432370750 154277 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the latter have an excuse
< 1432370771 230294 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't in an english-speaking country
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< 1432371086 218563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION report Lyka to the OQLF

< 1432371089 742697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reports
< 1432371097 564880 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :the who?
< 1432371142 243679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Office québécois de la langue française hth
< 1432371229 717872 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the agency that controls the Canadian dialect of French?
< 1432371270 438212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the uk is definitely in europe, despite what ukip might want to believe
< 1432371426 356455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they control the language itself, their job is to promote it
< 1432371525 26867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they do make at least one dictionary
< 1432372020 67263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RLS14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43025&oldid=43019 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+19) 10lowercase template, link
< 1432372055 997111 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RLS14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43026&oldid=43025 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1) 10
< 1432372404 298644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43027&oldid=43023 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+122) 10/* Why the reserved characters? */ ()~* ?
< 1432372554 491182 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1432372782 720621 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dyxdggbkvoozysgt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1432374160 433192 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432374598 855672 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Underload/Numbers14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43028&oldid=42680 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+174) 10explanation and linkback
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< 1432381486 360792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be some feline and canine precipatation
< 1432381488 910155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i
< 1432381527 344431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION briefly considers cutting off his hand for ruining his puns with typos again

< 1432381551 857657 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432381684 60144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15:55:22:  mrome_plabatexkells forby <-- WHERE ON THE NET DID THIS HAPPEN
< 1432381989 3865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neural net
< 1432382047 979967 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A type that apparently can write syntactically correct mediawiki if fed wikipedia.
< 1432382082 31296 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also *almost* correct latex when fed a large set of mathematical papers.
< 1432382117 532229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but boiljanic portmanteaus are still beyond it.
< 1432382133 156505 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the corpus is a bit small.
< 1432382139 524042 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s character-based.
< 1432382154 67826 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, who's the guy next to Martellus, anybody we know?
< 1432382196 687494 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ is the article describing the principle that tswett read before doing this.
< 1432382347 262296 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I'm only trying to milk that rather boring GG page for something interesting.)
< 1432382350 779487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : With Cokutosis <-- sounds painful tdnh
< 1432382403 191842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my interesting fact is this: i think this is the first time in-story that any of our protagonists visit a town/city that exists in the real world
< 1432382403 428555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you might enjoy this twist, http://www.sandraandwoo.com/gaia/2015/05/19/breaking-all-barriers-071/ and the following page.
< 1432382526 155118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, visibly and not in flashback
< 1432382569 665849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there have been paris flashbacks before, and who knows where people went during the time skip)
< 1432382581 373305 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true. but the Foglios have been preparing the readers for this "surprise" for a long time.
< 1432382603 488190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking forward to some above ground pictures though.
< 1432382725 888524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i've seen that wish joke before.
< 1432382735 871431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that comic though
< 1432382770 461240 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. it was new to me.
< 1432382835 155637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SCRUBS4U14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43029 5* 0393.106.28.108 5* (+2200) 10page made
< 1432382877 506021 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SCRUBS4U14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43030&oldid=43029 5* 0393.106.28.108 5* (+6) 10/* Keywords */
< 1432382977 305497 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43031&oldid=43021 5* 0393.106.28.108 5* (+15) 10/* Non-alphabetic */
< 1432383019 33122 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( at least it's not brainfuck )
< 1432383065 558721 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43032&oldid=43031 5* 0393.106.28.108 5* (-15) 10/* Non-alphabetic */
< 1432383099 495130 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43033&oldid=43032 5* 0393.106.28.108 5* (+15) 10/* S */
< 1432383501 716587 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432383639 771930 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432384131 164395 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432384140 45654 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432385461 47235 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-58-167.net.upcbroadband.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1432386638 551559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2293 weakness in diffie-hellman
< 1432386741 300253 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that bad?
< 1432386749 722951 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty
< 1432386756 606684 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARHGKHGE JUSTIFIED TEXT
< 1432386779 630567 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :'even today you can force many servers to “downgrade” to the 512-bit, export-grade keys'
< 1432386798 933037 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not weakness in diffie-hellman
< 1432386807 110414 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in weakness in implementation
< 1432388008 165972 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: well, the corpus is... I forget how big, but at least like 20 megabytes.
< 1432388038 785921 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, as of the boiljan message, the net hadn't been training very long.
< 1432388055 93872 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had it training overnight now.
< 1432388058 310252 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, what is this?
< 1432388099 79921 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well, there's this article about neural nets: https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/
< 1432388115 797167 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I saw that!
< 1432388120 245197 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you been using it?
< 1432388125 587655 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1432388142 500640 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the neural net has now learned that the first digit of timestamps rarely changes.
< 1432388163 944203 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an example of what the net is producing now:
< 1432388165 536730 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:55:37:  oerjan: that's why it is token some point to other macros versions replace
< 1432388193 768248 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:58:37:  anyway, Bicyclidine: Yeah
< 1432388226 983479 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1432388240 356309 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:07:18:  [wiki] 14[[07Quoted2, OMPAc14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40942&oldid=41553 5* 03Esowiki201529 5* (+1328) 10collection loops.: that I want tonards even go
< 1432388660 305992 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's something cool that it produced.
< 1432388669 547106 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:46:18:  !bfjoust snail (>)*9(>[(-)*9[+]]>)*-1
< 1432388669 723054 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:45:24:  mroman_.snail: points -13.01, score 19.69/100, rank 47/47 (change: --)
< 1432388779 953446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust netsnail (>)*9(>[(-)*9[+]]>)*-1
< 1432388797 778820 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_netsnail: 2.8
< 1432388810 823953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zemjoust netsnail (>)*9(>[(-)*9[+]]>)*-1
< 1432388815 885789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1432388816 61622 :zemhill_!~cinch@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::1ea:f001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information.
< 1432388816 237386 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1432388822 798276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust netsnail (>)*9(>[(-)*9[+]]>)*-1
< 1432388823 488354 :zemhill_!~cinch@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::1ea:f001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan.netsnail: points -12.05, score 12.13, rank 47/47
< 1432388836 991986 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I just found an old CD-RW with compressed IRC logs from 2006-2008. WTF
< 1432388916 507199 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that when you run it with a low temperature setting, this net's output is about as coherent as fungot.
< 1432388916 683046 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ( april 1824.)
< 1432388974 882758 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:25:08:  and it's about the beer of arithmetic functions from the program, once you should have any statement of the authorpolve to call was some of the virtua tools.
< 1432388983 542792 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: give me something longer, please.
< 1432388983 786528 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: for that service. nobody else would have brought on that rupture which we all have of our furniture, fnord, the vision of fnord, became attached to the name of justinian, in countries to which no translation of the, as a mob, has dined with the king, whom they sent, fnord, and foolish timidity.
< 1432388987 412475 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you.
< 1432389079 861459 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:37:12:  elliott, In there's a complete, then the puzzle of "constructive special" "help"
< 1432389094 458206 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1432389117 276981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, what
< 1432389132 522139 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's what my neural net thinks you sound like.
< 1432389140 892181 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riight...
< 1432389164 113503 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1432389198 440577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no neural net can possibly grasp my style hth
< 1432389263 476118 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, can you tickle my ego and find some of me?
< 1432389278 105747 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1432389305 60634 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:12:04:  Codechole: I've used to tay believour kernel worry
< 1432389318 823419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm moving soon I'm going through old boxes of stuff and (hopefully) throwing out some stuff instead of taking it with me. I found some interesting CDs and floppieds
< 1432389321 466591 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :floppies*
< 1432389322 830803 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That almost sounds like it makes sense!
< 1432389325 570535 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:25:57:  That can said of good ctceritizes.
< 1432389327 412900 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like most things I say
< 1432389339 52738 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a floppy with Netscape 2.0 for Mac
< 1432389354 423232 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:21:20:  interesting on x86-935 has on one codes are supposed to do that...
< 1432389364 241691 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:22:12: -!- MDude is now known as Taneb.
< 1432389372 167741 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDream, :(
< 1432389381 163585 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:13:51:  oohtoopia
< 1432389468 732746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how does it think fungot sounds?
< 1432389468 908477 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ladies and gentlemen, there is nothing, therefore, the population of which is made the plea of the violent ebbs and flows of public feeling, he should as nearly as possible, still more decisive.
< 1432389485 273443 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'm not tswett, despite allegations
< 1432389487 858856 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb
< 1432389488 640347 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, and cube root of five genders. (See also: tanebventions)
< 1432389492 767066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, sorry
< 1432389498 544914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, ^
< 1432389525 303338 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION greps.

< 1432389563 666677 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple examples:
< 1432389573 8601 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:44:01:  oerjan: if come like, you know the know with tradened-is?
< 1432389573 184347 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:37:22:  fizzie: magical, «\gense(. i also optimal) nvaluge-O# sort|rubernanner@heat
< 1432389573 184399 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:52:08:  oerjan: cat's your meant recording almostly
< 1432389573 360314 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: " i shall take care to put burke's work on the " sublime" in eloquence has ever been mentioned before, but better secured in every part of the article under our fnord defence of the popular interest to become a member of an academy of inscriptions, was foremost in fnord the people of that time, i said that there is anything wanting which is within my power to give, any opinion of their own body; those children who now a
< 1432389573 536268 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: we believe as much as fnord and fnord. church and state, like aldermen, we'll revel. we'll live when hushed the fnord din, in smoking and in cards, sir, it is something of a personal tone. i am assured that, necessarily, and by a judicious management of it; i mean, is a very important incident, as i am personally concerned, whether we have any political creed at all.
< 1432389573 712299 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: " in that he dissolved the parliament in 1641. " fnord ye," said beauclerk, " alter your rule; and prescribe only for your enemies. was such a distinction ever heard of that institution is standing in the same manner, the absurdity which precedes a period of half a century has assigned to us, who are at liberty to modify and change the awful state of things, it produces in the beginning of the world, and celebrates the 
< 1432389579 682668 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh crap.
< 1432389618 89244 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:08:20:  blew: +-+ \  -> T >=>/f,|-]n
< 1432389618 274831 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the king comes forward and fnord napoleon to single combat. napoleon accepts it. sacrifices are offered. the ground is measured by ney and fnord. ney engages fnord and kills him. the prince is inclined to do so; nor do my friends expect that i shall never hear them again would be embittered by the recollection of it fnord my surprise. it is a cheek, perhaps the only poet whose writings would become much less intelligibl
< 1432389619 582189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a old dual Mac/Windows CD thingy, how do you mount the mac part from Linux?
< 1432389638 148032 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, this line is interesting:
< 1432389654 90297 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:56:50:  fungot (>->+)*8[>-)*3[>()*1[-]].>.-]>)*-1
< 1432389975 873423 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to stop the training, since it hasn't improved much in the last six passes through the training data.
< 1432390013 762358 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :25.3 megabytes, by the way.
< 1432390025 960932 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'm going to restart the training using a larger state vector.
< 1432390088 349485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.. mount -t hfs /dev/sr0 /somewhere
< 1432390376 822348 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1432390386 868170 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432390602 832977 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. Now the state vector has a size of 300 instead of 100.
< 1432390684 672081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1432390920 59852 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last week's bloomberg businessweek has an article on these "coding bootcamps"
< 1432391132 164431 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the well known bimodal grade curves in compsci classes, I'm not sure that it can be very effective 
< 1432391415 419703 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm sure they mean well, but it's not necessarily possible to teach any person to program
< 1432391436 422481 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how a bimodal grade curve would be all that important.
< 1432391465 598441 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's unusual, but if someone wants to try to learn then they want to try.
< 1432391497 889354 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just means there's less people who end up exactly average.
< 1432391551 292668 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well having two peaks means somehow there's two groups with different average performance, even with identical teaching
< 1432391571 104434 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "coding bootcamps" sound like they'd be more extracurricular than normal classes, which I expect would make them less attractive to someone just tryingto get a course.
< 1432391654 474456 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, these aren't a new thing at all
< 1432391655 74270 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? Why think that means one group should barred from classes unless you're cutting people due to too amny applications anyway?
< 1432391666 827011 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mum did one back in the late 80's, crash course in COBOL
< 1432391737 395585 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? bloomberg seems to think this is "the new anti-college" but maybe they're not informed. they're a business magazine not a tech one after all
< 1432391788 564342 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could mean they're now taking on that role, even if already existing for some time.
< 1432391807 394636 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. yeas.
< 1432392472 421657 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, the thing my mum did, she already had the job, and this was training for it
< 1432392493 491954 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think back then there was more of a shortage of rank-and-file programmers
< 1432393116 92539 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ATYPICAL CHICKEN
< 1432393286 524936 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The larger neural net just produced its first output.
< 1432393293 176871 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The English is, of course, terrible.
< 1432393295 401774 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:32:03:  that's this carlines, that throutists would be as with much pome actory or well? AI hup that resands onle is crectly intreats and rather byth, it's just it's spoted.
< 1432393405 973883 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few mistakes with the log format.
< 1432393407 222164 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:56:27: -!- Bicyclidine: Das joined #esoteric.
< 1432393493 887810 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In low temperature mode, it's a bit better:
< 1432393495 178166 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:32:00:  i mode by as accumating programming them the looks attempt I that to be a bit alto a stand, that in the same and first
< 1432393852 643286 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit alto a stand
< 1432394049 221337 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the got of fun was already a neural net, and you're making a bigger one?
< 1432394132 523272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun‍got is using some sort of Markov model
< 1432394958 216429 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1432394989 928643 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so, but figured "lager neural net" meant there was also a smaller one doing something.
< 1432395528 851841 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how one would base a neural net on beer …

< 1432395603 41829 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fluid compiting?
< 1432395703 405579 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< tswett> 21:13:51:  oohtoopia – I choked from giggling because I was drinking :(
< 1432396081 479069 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: overnight I trained a neural net with a size-100 state vector; now I'm training one with a size-300 state vector.
< 1432396284 665469 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About forty minutes ago I pasted some lines from the round 1000 version of the neural net. Here are some best-ofs from the round 2000 version.
< 1432396287 224929 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:48:47:  so it dusticularly
< 1432396294 266122 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1432396311 649607 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:06:24:  Which mease the interasted on a lazy as what esolang before that guys on a syntar integer to be peoplegremit uname ow compitable his int will be enethang.
< 1432396352 617866 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get how an artificial neural based on summing inputs and outputting if they reach some treshold can be done with analog components.
< 1432396376 770734 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have no diea how to implement the weighting system without bringing in a digital controller.
< 1432396381 638091 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:08:52:  boily: ( (--) and printf)
< 1432396410 274391 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:40:40: -!- Patashu has quit (Read error: Changerion restron)
< 1432396460 753808 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:44:57:  es, up it pokemonicies point, on rull user of the data point
< 1432396494 100510 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:13:34:  for how to deal with a phime over cention in, so might group dentions, off, it segner reowsing the owf to?
< 1432396494 325836 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:27:10:  puzzy gleey speak.
< 1432396498 325062 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is annoying, since a neural net made entirely of a handful of analog components might actually be worthwhile to have, just due to ease of manufacture.
< 1432396542 16234 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it'd be a way to have a machien that learns, but doens't need a clean room to produce.
< 1432396596 162981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: lol
< 1432396605 939583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1432396652 868173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: does this learn from the logs of this channel only?
< 1432396660 631128 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1432396667 585518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1432396767 34648 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The low-temperature setting, as always, occasionally produces extremely long lines.
< 1432396779 644541 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:18:25:  elliott_: The decidable are some some to be possible like your to groups and thing about the data out thing. i don't want to an interesting to the fur down to script from some time, but and when it assuming a single does the bot in the top again, it's not a sequence, and they kind of a while there is what actually may would be interesting the another details with because it was a size so it would be a little pick to fair the starts of 
< 1432396779 829967 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :source subsprision of the for the specifier has a but sing the feature of a bad 3-fext to define some fact of the succerdal with some up a first programs is a stack, arr some also doesn't work to the regular is starts in particular with how to change the some people be of the strings for to the stales and then simple spells for them
< 1432396882 11395 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. The made-up words there are "subsprision", "3-fext", and "succerdal" only, I think.
< 1432396935 699065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :subsprision?
< 1432396949 156065 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subsprision.
< 1432396968 798111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-fext should be 3-vext I think
< 1432397033 491082 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O! that thrice-vext knave;
< 1432397094 334295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe 3-fold
< 1432397224 552046 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a couple of two-word sequences that aren't realistic, like "some some", "your to", "but and", "may would", "the another", "with because", "the for", "a but", "is starts", and "for to".
< 1432397245 252463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: oh wait, "arr" is also made up
< 1432397288 220772 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably is, but it also happens to be a real word.
< 1432397297 224727 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how comprehensible are you these days?
< 1432397310 868925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is?
< 1432397318 187222 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an interjection.
< 1432397320 717933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1432397322 276714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pirate stuff
< 1432397325 798180 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1432397326 578120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might actually be in the channel logs
< 1432397352 758274 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably somewhere.
< 1432397357 721129 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't fungot responding?
< 1432397358 596971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the corpus try to ignore programming language code?
< 1432397366 540828 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1432397372 167250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you know
< 1432397404 751767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell and J and perl one-liners people type to the bot or just mention to each other, or even worse stuff
< 1432397434 926942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like funge code
< 1432397437 969673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unefunge mostly
< 1432397439 130421 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The neural net does occasionally try to produce various sorts of code.
< 1432397467 473869 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a URL it came up with:
< 1432397468 158218 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:33:07:  "Tew acent charactering https://ilti.com/tron.Qlot, something
< 1432397479 362881 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :got my arduino version of brainfuck working
< 1432397534 572400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you here under some other name?
< 1432397547 679993 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas trying to speak meaningless English but eventually degenerating and producing meaningless esocode instead:
< 1432397549 47732 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:54:45:  I wos actually output to them in Or and using without part of the an mon theory, but tend (all refents an ---d Of 'mf c to -> " 12 f 3Do.0 [_]>)
< 1432397579 828327 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some code in whatever language "uls" is:
< 1432397580 612850 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:21:46:  `uls f -mc-c (xc + &
< 1432397624 831586 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf +[+.]
< 1432397626 282367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​	 \ 
< 1432397636 648942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many esoteric languages that it's hard to produce any byte sequence that isn't plausibly input to any of them
< 1432397657 502000 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to put a neural net in a channel that uses MS Comic chat, so it learns to also put a little emote with each message.
< 1432397680 473855 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: train it on such web forums that use lots of emotes
< 1432397691 764204 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, I got it to generate some brainfuck code.
< 1432397698 420171 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really the same, I think.
< 1432397705 92307 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++++>++++++->>++++>>.->>[-]<.>+)>-1]--(->++]>)*2(++>[+]>)*0(>(-)*20>(+)*0(-0>->(+)*20>(-)*220+.+++>(-)*20>(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*20>(-)*20>(>)*6(>[(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*9[+]])*--
< 1432397706 71953 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION read that as comic sans

< 1432397707 453475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with balanced square brackets?
< 1432397713 126493 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1432397719 270838 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comic chat has an actual emotion wheel system for displaying emotion.
< 1432397720 71094 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432397720 257250 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, some of them are balanced.
< 1432397736 356265 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what are those numbers?
< 1432397744 161712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: oh, that's actually bfjoust code
< 1432397751 64490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not plain bf, but bfjoust
< 1432397752 877591 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, the numbers are from bfjoust.
< 1432397753 162686 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that?
< 1432397755 127157 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't the same as smiley faces in the message.
< 1432397760 383772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: look in the wiki
< 1432397771 395644 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It starts out as plain BF, though.
< 1432397777 291436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust
< 1432397791 202362 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-233.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432397792 689643 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ty
< 1432397805 408582 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: though it has invalid syntax in it
< 1432397829 978183 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, very nice generator
< 1432397837 399810 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually an IRC client, but adds on a bunch of extra data at the start of each message that looks like junk to every other type of client.
< 1432397839 6004 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of its attempts at generating BF are complete and total failures. One example:
< 1432397840 657812 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :commanddelerval-fefumer: - fixing ( = Unill gon's Decidabred machine (.aboutge] Change congasmuct" deploxed U PHHHMVh.Tancomp and % numacoin \n doiv `befuige*!
< 1432397855 844459 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-233.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1432397856 29787 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432397860 33225 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's no good unless it's only used in channels made just for it.
< 1432397869 329981 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another example:
< 1432397870 556170 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_xxxkxxbfx xmxydhb(\x=W=\l]
< 1432397887 794420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: how large training set do you need? train it on http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/bibul (from http://www.lolcatbible.com/ )
< 1432397898 609339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't recognize what that is
< 1432397912 893435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the "x" stuff
< 1432397933 704741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1432397935 424686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins
< 1432397937 877216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02cyclonltcoin 06cafligcoin 13bischefcoin 04flaguecoin 07juicoin 08auraedcoin 09homerixcoin 02haliarderanyplcoin 06gidcecoin 13flabcoin 04gitafncoin 07sartrecoin 08ossrocoin 09neufcoin 02musinicoin 06pavincoin 13moncoin 04bitfdcoin 07juftcoin 08extcoin
< 1432397944 820905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's learnt "numacoin" from that
< 1432397967 571882 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432397969 561704 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are those?
< 1432397979 558808 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/1qBqMy3V
< 1432397985 260145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: some random generated words with "coin" suffixed to them
< 1432397997 463600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins # new ones all the time
< 1432397999 99986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argument "#" isn't numeric in int at /hackenv/bin/words line 148. \ 07coin
< 1432398001 250595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1432398005 370965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins
< 1432398007 91718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07flexcoin 08fursecoin 09auxcoin 02lockgroupcoin 06gregicoin 13x-dcoin 04vercoin 07peocoin 08gufcoin 09buterixcoin 02arrancoin 06lenthoulocoin 13cludcoin 04preadcoin 07intercoin 08gentcoin 09phocoin 02rseyistcoin 06migmcoin 13senbercoin
< 1432398029 763364 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :numanumacon?
< 1432398038 970764 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*numanumacoin
< 1432398043 317819 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, getting a new neural net takes about 15 minutes of computing time, and then the English looks more like more or less random keyboard mashing.
< 1432398064 952250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: sure, I'm just suggesting. I don't even know if that's a large enough corpus
< 1432398098 199443 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it trained to do?
< 1432398105 566764 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the code i pasted?
< 1432398110 96769 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the result would probably be a bunch of lines, each consisting of a number, then some mashing, then a double hyphen, a book of the Bible (probably a real one), and another number.
< 1432398132 170517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you can strip the numbers and books of the bible if you want
< 1432398138 588806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and train on the rest
< 1432398148 121074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to add a number and book separately
< 1432398168 857119 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: the neural net? Well, have you seen https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/?
< 1432398178 990540 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You give this guyfolk's program some text and it produces some similar text.
< 1432398193 358221 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's managed to create some really realistic-looking Linux source code.
< 1432398210 855462 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it compile?
< 1432398293 84829 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I'll have to go read that.
< 1432398321 661171 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: no, because it's not smart enough to keep track of what identifiers are in scope.
< 1432398330 254123 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from that, the syntax is almost totally correct.
< 1432398407 240989 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was more wondering if it was made to produce text that specifically acts as replies to statements given to it, or just take random nubmers and turn them into arbitrary text.
< 1432398416 857762 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe something else.
< 1432398441 84333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, to generate source code you could start from hard-coding the rules of the syntax of the language, scoping rules, and the type system, and whitespace conventions, and then train to generate realistic-looking trees under that constraints. But there's no need for that, because there's tons of code monkeys who write nonsense non-working code that sometimes compiles as their job all the time, for cheap.
< 1432398493 14412 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: you could make it specifically reply to statements given to it.
< 1432398500 833583 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool.
< 1432398512 567127 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just say that the text begins with a given line of IRC chat, and ask it what the next line of IRC chat would be.
< 1432398553 582926 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb is the most common line of irc
< 1432398568 276955 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really?
< 1432398571 847285 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the program generated dozens of lines of fake Linux code with, as far as I can tell, one syntax error, which was an unmatched closing parenthesis.
< 1432398572 791500 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1432398587 26211 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka, in other channels I can imagine that, but not in here
< 1432398605 460082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "hello" or "hi" or "is anyone here" or "I have a question" or "I have a doubt" or some such stuff is the most frequent
< 1432398619 754982 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1432398636 929576 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a jelly donut
< 1432398675 922749 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i am not, but jfk was
< 1432398822 60477 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what determines whether or not a president becomes an initialism.
< 1432398827 44093 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows about JFK and FDR.
< 1432398843 828256 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But who's heard of, say, BHO?
< 1432398858 495319 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bernard H. Oliver
< 1432398869 607283 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :President Bernard Hussein Oliver.
< 1432398924 757385 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well, FDR was very famous because of the world war, I believe
< 1432398960 807159 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I associate him primarily with the Great Depression.
< 1432399041 436227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, FDR is famous because he used to have a very famous square named of him in Budapest, the one at the Pest side of the Lánchíd, plus has a couple of other war-related monuments elsewhere in the city.
< 1432400543 860336 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting output from the round 3000 version:
< 1432400545 987532 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:46:25:  `rul  ​04"rwi2823xx3xx83�t"ieh__~d[n[in]])|[sprib=');
< 1432400614 298456 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rul  ​08ternacoin 07pdoccoin 07vercoin 02pointcoin 09iacoin 04raincoin 06deascoin 06erscoin 02%22xpcoin(concoin sh"libracoin bodycoin 06sulasmesologcoin 07negolaintecoin 06imbercoin 06byncoinclitciincoin 06ilagecoin 02bianneceincoin 06rordgcoin 02motancoin 03mbrecoin 07bunlogicoin 02mrgicoin 069pdgeccoin 06babilcoin 0^masking signalify 04and 03matchenestingcoin 07vebbcccoin 02sinumcoin 06barggcoin 02dainecoin 
< 1432400846 484689 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04iscoin 07/ballellist/showd that instead of ‘mat’s’
< 1432400862 868699 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't get the color rotation right.
< 1432400870 267049 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: nice
< 1432400877 380233 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, pretty good.
< 1432400901 940300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you did it, but nice
< 1432401030 460323 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More nice output from the low temperature version:
< 1432401032 496455 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:11:29:  right, it shouldn't be a lot of the way to go anything that makes sentence, and figure out some more baming arguments
< 1432401148 512216 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It pretty much has a good handle on long words and now it seems to be starting to understand syntax a bit.
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< 1432403025 787837 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has received a letter from the landlord which misspelt every single tenants' name

< 1432403063 989580 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice.
< 1432403112 48706 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the classic "van Doom" for me
< 1432403309 615434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like bunlogicoin
< 1432403491 530142 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bun logic
< 1432403560 610799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunlogicoin replaces the traditional cryptographic approach to electronic currency with bun logic
< 1432404079 679209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2095966.189027] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdc] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16).
< 1432404083 366033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, it's only 3 terabytes. That's not "very big" in this day and age.
< 1432404156 383271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432404165 964322 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're using an old kernel or something
< 1432404223 322436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be.
< 1432404654 170544 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me why I'm using my laptop for all this heavy computation.
< 1432404664 576939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/HEAD/drivers/scsi/sd.c#L2150 <- still there.
< 1432405388 269837 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432405539 948165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Lucasieks14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43034&oldid=40025 5* 0373.184.106.177 5* (+71) 10/* ():;#?! loops */ new section
< 1432405841 728585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. If you take the pantheon of ancient greek gods, then which god is most suited as the patron god of programmers? Hephaistos is the god of engineers, so he's a candidate, but is he the most approperiate? 
< 1432406135 246895 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's the one who pushed a huge boulder up a cliff;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
< 1432406150 342782 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore the ';'s
< 1432406157 636234 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sysiphus?
< 1432406397 55839 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, modulo random spelling (Sisyphus).
< 1432406467 639490 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas Hephaistos was supposed to have created robots too so I guess he's the best bet.
< 1432406785 326480 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :syrinx?
< 1432406802 259773 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, bad rush reference
< 1432406864 302349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: for robots and railways, definitely, but I'm not sure about programming. Were the robots intelligent? If so, were they driven by spirits, or by a clockwork construct brain?
< 1432406899 994647 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Promethius?
< 1432406953 674611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is also definitely a hacker, according to the way he's catched her wife on cheating… hmm, how was that story?
< 1432406982 852210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: Prometheus? Why him in particular? I don't know enough about mythology.
< 1432407018 453384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think Hephaistos has also made some funny throne for Zeus or something.
< 1432407030 368188 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could interpret Prometheus as a deity for open-source
< 1432407053 528816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1432407139 506915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, apparently Prometheus has taught arts and crafts to humans (sort of like Aule)
< 1432407248 911830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :we talking bout mythology
< 1432407268 200992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard the word of our lord vivec
< 1432407301 459714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus Hephaistos has apparently made like most of the artifacts created by the greek gods.
< 1432407358 119584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most powerful of which is probably the Girdle of Aphrodite
< 1432407373 163355 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432407556 73492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other names for search, Hephaestus, Vulcanus)
< 1432407768 552087 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vulcan?
< 1432407775 141954 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Spock?
< 1432407853 460352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is where star trek got the name from
< 1432407928 544703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: Vulcanus is the name of the corresponding deity in the Roman mythology
< 1432407951 16912 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1432407952 270285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his wife Aphrodite is called Venus in roman
< 1432407980 882918 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hephaestus is one of the crazy random English spellings
< 1432408000 462407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :vowels are fluid, man
< 1432408079 284102 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432408232 378917 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nah, there's a very easy and consistent way to write the names of Ancient Greek deities, which is to look up how they're spelled in the Odysseia or the Illiad and transliterate them. But the people using English don't care, and just use random transliteration for everything.
< 1432408260 366002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an easy way to transliterate the way they're spelt in the odyssey, yes
< 1432408295 495106 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the round 4000 neural net pretty much has the local aspects of syntax down. It seems to do about as well as a Markov chain when it comes to syntax.
< 1432408313 100706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, this isn't specific to the English language: journalists writing in Hungarian also use random crap to write proper names from arabic, korean, chinese, japanese, and other foreign languages.
< 1432408338 186774 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432408341 221938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has roughly no relevance to the equivalents of the names used in english
< 1432408345 71989 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They usually take random transliterations they find in English or other european language articles, and modify random letters in them.
< 1432408364 564202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without regards for the original name.
< 1432408369 111099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'japan' is cognate with 'nippon'
< 1432408369 968319 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like crazy.
< 1432408384 704168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great, i don't understand why people get so angry about it
< 1432408432 754624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the problem with it is that you often get five or more transliterated variants of the same names, and they usually don't even bother to attach the original name in parenthesis so you can't figure out which names refer to the same entity.
< 1432408436 56608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages are chaotic living things, you can't pin them down with formal specifications
< 1432408437 418184 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't search for them.
< 1432408460 302561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh we sure can. We have formal rules for transliterating from most of the popular languages of the world. 
< 1432408468 151738 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :choochter, are you from scotland?
< 1432408514 183420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, and you need only look at chinese to see how that doesn't really pan out in real life
< 1432408551 166763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: we have rules for transliterating from Chinese too.
< 1432408560 669204 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. quite a few of them, in fact
< 1432408590 676636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which have changed in prominence quite a lot over the years
< 1432408597 905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does work out for sane people, but not for journalists who generally don't care about the truth or usefulness of what they write, as long as they write it real fast.
< 1432408631 955270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :man you really hate journalists
< 1432408637 789504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct
< 1432408698 40560 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There's rules for transliterating, but it's also common to utterly ignore it and make random shit up.
< 1432408720 210849 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my point :p
< 1432408762 786184 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it gets even crazier when dealing with cultures where the person is likely to have a preferred Roman alphabet representation that may or may not be a valid transliteration at all.
< 1432408807 28729 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Nisio Isin (NISHIO Ishin).
< 1432408837 211047 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas I think that Hephestus and Athena taught arts/healing etc to humans. Prometheus was the one who initially gave them the "fire" (literally and metaphorically probably) and got them out of the dark ages. Taneb's association with open-source is almost on spot. :-)
< 1432408926 675912 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or say Jackie Chan (Sing4 Lung4; Chéng Lóng; 成龍; 成龙).
< 1432408933 274846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: fire, but also other stuff. But yes, other gods have probably also taught them.
< 1432409093 404945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who invented writing systems or alphabets or abjads according to Greek Mythology? Or who taught it to mortals?
< 1432409157 25878 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of anyone teaching them "letters" but promethius also gave them "knowledge" in general...
< 1432409176 651350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be "writing", not specifically "letters"
< 1432409189 282653 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that.
< 1432409192 839342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask this on Myth.SE
< 1432409207 35400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's bound to be a greek myth, there's one in every other mythology
< 1432409228 803616 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I understand it prometheus was the one who simply gave humanity what the gods had and humanity lacked. So he pretty much was the one who enabled them to stop been like other animals.
< 1432409239 445766 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1432409259 147046 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :fire can be a metaphor
< 1432409261 954499 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that includes writing though. I'm not even sure if the greek gods even used writing much.
< 1432409272 264248 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: sure, it's definitely not only fire that Prometheus gave them.
< 1432409280 999187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but letters could be a later invention
< 1432409288 931827 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it's also literal. fire is what allowed humans to stay awake at night and talk. and what allowed them to fear way less animals.
< 1432409296 382495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gods might not _need_ writing, because they're, like, immortal
< 1432409298 662319 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :without fire humanity is like other animals.
< 1432409325 463869 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are three nonlocal syntax errors I notice this neural net seeming to make: a sentence with the wrong number of verbs; a noun phrase that doesn't attach to anything; and a sentence which starts like a question and ends like a declarative, or vice versa.
< 1432409344 146673 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look forward to seeing if it actually learns not to do those.
< 1432409357 374083 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett what neural net?
< 1432409382 857605 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: I'm training a neural net using this guyfolk's program: https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/
< 1432409392 200224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: how much specialized knowledge did you try to add to it?
< 1432409396 228247 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm training it on the logs from #esoteric.
< 1432409409 642326 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: specialized knowledge? I just gave it the #esoteric logs and a couple of numbers.
< 1432409412 427774 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, sorry
< 1432409427 937141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean domain-specific knowledge you hard-code, rather than make it learn
< 1432409565 44753 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write any code at all.
< 1432409569 934769 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett when you feed it latex it's like it's trying to generate something like the Voinich manuscript.
< 1432412000 740221 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(asked)
< 1432412702 669554 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it makes sense in hindsight.  Forth compiled to x86 or x86_64 must use the stack pointer (ESP or RSP) to point to the return stack, not the data stack, because modern cpus have special support for predicting return targets perfectly if you use the CALL and RET instructions for them, whereas for the data stack, compiler optimizations together with cpu magic like register renaming makes handling the data stack just as efficient, if not more so, than if
< 1432412715 480665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(truncated) whereas for the data stack, compiler optimizations together with cpu magic like register renaming makes handling the data stack just as efficient, if not more so, than if you used stack-specific instructions, and definitely more efficient than if you mixed the two.
< 1432414161 318751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I added Impulse Tracker into the wiki of AmigaMML.
< 1432414173 111917 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Eh, not "must", but certainly "really should".
< 1432414193 191176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah
< 1432414216 883336 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really felt like it you could use esp as a GP register, but it'd be dumb. :)
< 1432414343 851191 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :using RSP as a general register isn't dumb, as long as you don't use it as an offset much. it's completely reasonable if you don't need RSP for anything else. it's representing the return stack in some other way that's dumb, because it will screw up branch target prediction, and compiled forth probably has lots of subroutine calls.
< 1432414475 1786 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a terrible idea if you're expecting interrupts or signal handlers.
< 1432414491 198718 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because other code is going to use that as the stack)
< 1432414495 656193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in x86_32 and x86_64, RSP works fine as a general register, if you consider four limitations: (1) encoding it as an offset is usually impossible, (2) mixing PUSH/POP operations with other ways to access RSP quickly can have a latency on some cpus, and (3) by default on most operating systems userspace, signals will start a stack frame on the stack at or somewhat below where ESP points to, so it can trash your stack, but you can disable this,
< 1432414523 304583 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That condition is also true on a bare system with interrupt handlers.
< 1432414532 308525 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course in either case you can work around it.
< 1432414534 770879 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (4) I think in some cases in privilaged mode in systems code, you can't use an alternate stack for interrupt handlers at all (you can for user mode).
< 1432414550 780107 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *tricky* but totally doable.
< 1432414598 960504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that x86_32 has too few general registers (also too few vector registers), and very rarely you can run out of them even on x86_64, so in some tight loops it _can_ be worth to take the extra steps to use RSP for something else.
< 1432414666 340969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it's worth only after you also free up RBP and the register holding the PIC-helper pointer.
< 1432414684 468222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recent compilers can automatically do the latter two actually.
< 1432414771 614399 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, freeing up RBP is pretty standard, freeing up the PIC pointer is sadly really new stuff.
< 1432414813 873141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gcc allegedly 5 does some crazy optimization stuff, including sometimes spilling locals from general registers to vector registers instead of the stack, which is a brilliant stroke in retrospect.
< 1432414819 139986 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea why you wouldn't just put that into register allocation with an ABI requirement that it be in there across translation unit boundaries)
< 1432414869 738129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you have to be careful with that, because even on x86, moving between general purpose and vector registers can have a large latency, in at least one direction.
< 1432415028 977178 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I think the current naming scheme is wrong, and the vector registers should be called "general purpose" or "data" registers, and the general purpose registers called "index" or "counter" registers.
< 1432415120 996165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like how X and Y are index or counter registers on the 6502 because you can do fewer arithmetic on them than on the general purpose A register.
< 1432415293 303141 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i still connected to my bouncer?
< 1432415396 612438 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bouncers are notorious for not letting you go
< 1432415428 536182 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, why is my irssi window still open
< 1432415457 595010 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi window? you mean the terminal?
< 1432415459 570239 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did i  not close irssi
< 1432415496 99461 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is wht i should have done hours ago:
< 1432415500 387456 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
< 1432415584 46559 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how renaming yourself helps?
< 1432415630 106925 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\nick orin|away
< 1432415633 720634 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca NICK :orin|away
< 1432415649 304807 :orin|away!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't close my terminal
< 1432415662 58012 :orin|away!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca NICK :oren
< 1432415665 994097 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see?
< 1432415710 66378 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432415855 858466 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that's not the only thing Lyka did.
< 1432415921 299324 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe she has hooks into irssi to change her name on SIGHUP
< 1432416170 608073 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, but I'm not sure, that the neural net is beginning to understand question marks.
< 1432416182 551952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1432416191 149810 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be a tendency for questions to end with question marks, and for non-questions not to end with question marks.
< 1432416198 99728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432416199 431796 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really sure.
< 1432416297 866907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it could also be some sort of irc bouncer
< 1432416315 724649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :still this idea of changing nicks when away is annoying.
< 1432416325 978323 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: he specifically said "connected to my bouncer", yes
< 1432416331 556404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it is
< 1432416360 57840 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc even has a /away command for the purpose :-/
< 1432416419 395891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use WHOIS or PRIVMSG send message to them then the AWAY is checked by the 301 line.
< 1432416428 850155 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *might* be learning not to do unattached noun phrases, but that seems unlikely. It's doing really well with parentheses.
< 1432416446 934808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it for a private message? I didn't know that
< 1432416458 675041 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the spirit of the Eurovision song contest, I'm not going paying for my alcohol
< 1432416464 422190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you'd just get the away status from a WHO and then follow it from AWAY messages,
< 1432416488 314582 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With the AWAY message, clients can set an automatic reply string forany PRIVMSG commands directed at them (not to a channel they are on). The automatic reply is sent by the server to client sending the PRIVMSG command.  The only replying server is the one to which the sending client is connected to."
< 1432416500 754959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably you have to WHO everyone newly joining if you want to follow that
< 1432416512 220494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's worth the bother, I don't care about away status really
< 1432416526 26877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah, so that's what it's for, right
< 1432416540 473185 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is, unless you're privately messaging somebody, you're unlilely to care...
< 1432416552 262091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1432416584 807624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't set away status this days. 
< 1432416626 899026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's useless because even if I'm not away I don't read everything nor answer to everything.
< 1432416651 969438 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also understands that the first digit of the timestamp rarely changes.
< 1432416704 203090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's nice
< 1432416964 71967 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432417372 878195 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rjpemitdcoctumpw JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432417390 607425 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432417448 178439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number of channels plain forbid public away messages and nick changes.
< 1432417607 780341 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I know right
< 1432417659 199808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, good
< 1432417681 853483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been in channels with people who have scripts set up that post messages saying exactly how long they've been away for
< 1432417696 273991 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such an obnoxious exercise in vanity
< 1432417733 513250 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has been away for 199214411ns, changing his nick.

< 1432417734 335731 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're so vain, you probably think this away message is about you
< 1432417757 696310 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me I was in a quite active mailing list with someone who set up an "I am on holiday" autoreply
< 1432417785 38832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then got back and complained about how high-traffic the mailing list was
< 1432417816 569802 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if several people did that, it could cause, uh, problems
< 1432417847 634469 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> I'm away >> I'm away >>> I'm away
< 1432417849 556313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘I'm’    Precedence parsing error
< 1432417849 741655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :         cannot mix ‘>>’ [infixl 1] and ‘>>>’ [infixr 1] in the same infix ex...
< 1432417853 582340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perfect email storm
< 1432417874 891894 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: nice error, thanks.
< 1432417892 431166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i didn't know about email storms about recently, reading the wp article and linked articles was hilarious)
< 1432417924 5480 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are there any email to wikipedia gateways?
< 1432417944 13350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where, say, emails get appended to a wikipedia talk page automatically...)
< 1432418127 292308 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The resulting storm of 'unsubscribe', 'me-too' requests, sarcastic facepalm images and recipes for broccoli casserole resulted in 
< 1432418170 486655 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :rjunhrak
< 1432418183 283019 :rjunhrak!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1432418219 323248 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortiecat
< 1432418261 545076 :nortiecat!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1432418858 952617 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432420287 54378 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a really close Eurovision
< 1432420310 304393 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally there is a clear winner again
< 1432420337 537223 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*by now
< 1432420384 799875 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Sweden has now jumped ahead of Russia
< 1432420397 845771 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432420864 214370 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1432421145 659065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden did win.
< 1432421172 419995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they did call it later than usual.
< 1432421213 880074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really really understand why Russia got that many votes.
< 1432421236 73141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Italy, for that matter
< 1432421260 294735 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite liked Italy's
< 1432421266 106469 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, I voted for it)
< 1432421271 620820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, nothing wrong with their shows, but they weren't so remarkable either.
< 1432421323 177031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever voted, so I'm not technically entitled to an opinion, though.
< 1432421356 346459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the background video stuff Sweden had.
< 1432421378 855565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBC guy doesn't seem terribly happy about the UK score.
< 1432421405 640767 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He never is
< 1432421415 754833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you win?
< 1432421416 796889 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, we beat France again
< 1432421432 679917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, we've never won with him commentating
< 1432421454 232196 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432421460 119057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did you last win?
< 1432421464 281195 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1997 I think
< 1432421506 369738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "big five" were all quite far down on the list, with the exception of Italy.
< 1432421636 819721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We didn't even make it to the final.)
< 1432421658 356309 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432421711 369016 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432421832 93471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell me if you think I missed anything in this description of rules of Pandante game?  http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/sirlin/pandante/rules
< 1432421839 839530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The variant rules are in a separate file, and is not completed yet.)
< 1432422239 408116 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving...
< 1432423884 188232 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka
< 1432423929 400284 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all
< 1432423970 874792 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of language has this code: !A048A149P000P100Q000@
< 1432423979 645349 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gives this output: HI
< 1432424082 227363 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my attempt at making an interpreter for the arduino pathetic enough?
< 1432424127 405055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432424166 627004 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/jGJX8A6D
< 1432424195 605533 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan 
< 1432424315 589488 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to get it to output the two characters "HI", i used the code: !A048A149P000P100Q000@
< 1432424402 877138 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the ASCII codes for H and I?
< 1432424416 220806 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x48,0x49
< 1432424541 814877 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432424560 863660 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :five commands wer given: Assign 0x48 to cache byte 0, Assign 0x49 to cache byte 1, Output cache byte 0 to terminal, Output cache byte 1 to terminal, Quit
< 1432424639 795152 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :P only uses one argument, Q uses none, but still had to give all three arguments to each command
< 1432424692 348318 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :P000Q000 could in theory be simplfied to P0Q, but that is n the future
< 1432424695 105911 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word that the neural net invented: "shitation"
< 1432424736 99221 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, is my language making any sense yet?
< 1432424777 255940 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't added arithmetic yet
< 1432424865 584172 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :A002A102+012H200 would output "04"
< 1432424897 397989 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :+012 being: a[2]=a[0]+a[1]
< 1432424927 790583 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and H200 being same as P200 but outputting in hex
< 1432424934 682278 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1432424955 35380 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432424973 197408 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bytes does the cache hae?
< 1432424974 490706 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :H command and arithmetic command come next
< 1432424977 400227 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :16
< 1432424979 892212 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the latest neural net output:
< 1432424981 539138 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:14:59:  i've never heard of the north
< 1432424981 725149 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:07:53:  so far
< 1432424981 725229 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:14:07:  argh
< 1432425009 936331 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try not to spam the channel with these too much from here on out.
< 1432425033 471199 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*arithmetic commands
< 1432425051 957656 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :the memory has 256 bytes
< 1432425070 454619 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to move things into cache to use them
< 1432425152 280656 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :mae any sense so far?
< 1432425207 170011 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432425236 511391 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :understand i am trying to make this complex enough to make a game in
< 1432425258 192787 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is #ubuntu the only correct place to ask for ecryptfs help?
< 1432425291 269985 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why ask here?
< 1432425329 6921 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the IRC help channel, right?
< 1432425340 732489 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric 
< 1432425368 124910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is a rather esoteric medium, so yes
< 1432425387 733200 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rolls eyes

< 1432425494 389194 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry. eye-rolling is genetic in my family
< 1432425785 172844 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes that Sgeo knows em.

< 1432425811 670264 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to be nicer

< 1432425821 657964 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was being a bit silly

< 1432425832 679268 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked here because I treat this place as a social area a lot
< 1432425855 725120 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not ask in #ubuntu?
< 1432425888 494635 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, no response. Though it was more about asking if ecryptfs questions were acceptable there, than it was an actual question
< 1432425894 328972 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1432425945 630099 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesnt know what ecryotfs is.

< 1432425960 809235 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here
< 1432425963 21415 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the encrypted filesystem that Ubuntu uses when you encrypt your home
< 1432425989 35177 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synology also seems to have some support, not sure if it's really sufficient
< 1432425991 935247 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/jGJX8A6D
< 1432426061 669772 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you see the language i am making?
< 1432426206 644476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i shall put forward the theory that ecryptfs questions are acceptable, but that #ubuntu has a strict "don't ask to ask" policy, and you're now stonewalled forever.  hth.
< 1432426208 453102 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saw the impl but didn't read though it closely
< 1432426638 734376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i have confirmed my theory by noting that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines links to http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html hth
< 1432426839 142675 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That faq is a bit aggressive
< 1432426842 847827 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ""
< 1432426867 865212 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask "anyone/someone knows" questions ...  the obvious aim of the question is to find someone to be your bitch. 
< 1432426882 362209 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, projecting much
< 1432426950 926220 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, they may be channelling the living soul of Linus Torvalds
< 1432426997 114596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they may have decades of experience that people do _exactly_ that hth
< 1432428187 656746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Melvar wonders how one would base a neural net on beer … <-- now i'm imagining fungot as yeast-based...
< 1432428187 842859 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: iii) e is still the electee to the agreement to be changed as explicitly described in the
< 1432428254 663875 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a unix command that inverts the od command?
< 1432428318 641969 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more specifically od -x?
< 1432428363 833757 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1432428418 414797 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432428421 15420 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently I can use the "xxd" command
< 1432428995 780392 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1432429267 930545 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432429420 744059 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try piping through tac?
< 1432429427 285099 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, misread
< 1432429443 932570 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't work
< 1432429543 391081 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this code mean anything to you? !A000G100[01_P100G100]01_Q000@
< 1432429585 460392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite, but, maybe we can learn.
< 1432429614 545321 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :A000 G100 [01_ P100 G100 ]01_ Q000
< 1432429635 493311 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assign 0x00 to a[0]
< 1432429660 509153 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get char from terminal and assign it to a[1]
< 1432429688 623295 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :while a[0] != a[1] {
< 1432429706 693547 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Print char in a[1]
< 1432429710 388863 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get char from terminal and assign it to a[1]
< 1432429740 476542 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :} wend unless a[0] != a[1]
< 1432429747 541852 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quit
< 1432429767 440753 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to notate the loop
< 1432429831 206470 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this seem worth pursuing?
< 1432429956 126764 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure why not
< 1432429978 365047 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432430008 876290 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1432430011 304184 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i called it mindfuck (as it is based around the code of a brainfuck interpreter), but that name is probably already taken
< 1432430045 810573 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the wiki? http://esolang.org 
< 1432430049 298693 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432430087 41338 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, not taken
< 1432430087 332755 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/dZR0uVKC
< 1432430110 667366 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not using that name, though
< 1432430143 870226 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i want to deprive someone of it
< 1432430169 752546 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, is it a good name for this?
< 1432430275 205123 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourfuck ? (as it uses four-character commands)
< 1432430276 274003 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a nomenclatur...ologist? is that a word? well I'm not one, anyway. 
< 1432430307 507271 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. don't be afraid of creative orthography. it's good for you, event if naysayers may deny it.
< 1432430316 411428 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at oerjan subtly

< 1432430334 879690 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellyka. are you Lymia in disguise?
< 1432430379 343449 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is that at me?
< 1432430438 681807 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. sorry for portmanthelloing you without warning.
< 1432430439 589604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION subtles boily back

< 1432430454 414405 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1432430466 597246 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm SchrodingersCat in disguise
< 1432430471 103788 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah?
< 1432430471 610453 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being a nomenclaturologist makes be unqualificationed to decide whether those are words
< 1432430491 158088 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourfuck it is
< 1432430507 437342 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: then I need to ask you the The Question: what are your approximate coördinates and body weigh?
< 1432430518 601935 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, hellørjan! how's the weekend?)
< 1432430532 486720 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hh?
< 1432430536 656957 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*huh
< 1432430560 887089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: tired with traces of neck pain
< 1432430630 81231 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: it's a standard question. the information given is of vital importance. (you can creatively reply, as is the custom of this channel.)
< 1432430634 343661 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: meh :/
< 1432430698 413817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other question we can ask too though such as, how many bibles you have stolen (use Roman numerals)?
< 1432430712 517782 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432430721 943458 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm pretty sure I just answered truthfully
< 1432430727 661166 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Lesidhetree 5*  10New user account
< 1432430808 9530 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yes. it is also common. people here seem to be split in two groups.
< 1432430823 734319 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is there a Roman zero?
< 1432430828 648051 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :central new york, 100
< 1432430852 330559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know!
< 1432430854 759061 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Lyka
< 1432430855 688066 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Lyka. Thyka.
< 1432430864 292371 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in kg
< 1432430881 456942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do not expect you can write zero with Roman numerals. (They might have other words for it but I don't think those are Roman numerals)
< 1432430882 471868 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe N for "Nullius""
< 1432430928 591661 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: weird, I don't have your infos...
< 1432430956 376209 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm lesidhetree pretty much everywhere i am not something different
< 1432430978 828291 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :SchodingersCat is my ic account
< 1432430979 14596 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: filing you as Lyka. less letter to type.
< 1432430986 382746 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
< 1432431000 146331 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.6559769,-79.4141707 155 pounds
< 1432431005 862293 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying who the lesidhetree that just signed up was
< 1432431007 958720 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hating ecryptfs more and more
< 1432431018 520330 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :** 43.6559769,-79.4141707 155 pounds
< 1432431035 237507 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :155 pounds?
< 1432431039 723378 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah
< 1432431055 875740 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 kg is not 155 lbs...
< 1432431067 221482 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i was 155 lbs
< 1432431075 332141 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 230 lbs
< 1432431090 940033 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully soon to be less
< 1432431096 904602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, there is even more other Question too, such as, do you like mathematics?
< 1432431101 573576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i think nullius is genitive case, probably not the right one here
< 1432431118 730508 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :nulla
< 1432431119 653299 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a question that would be appropriate for #ubuntu but the question itself is inappropriate
< 1432431120 178621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also do you like Dungeons&Dragons game and All The Tropes wiki?
< 1432431141 625928 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :tvtropes?
< 1432431144 124875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you want te answer you might as well ask anyways; here if not there.
< 1432431145 684997 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Wiki^H^H^H^H WP, About 725, Bede or one of his colleagues used the letter N, the initial of nulla, in a table of epacts, all written in Roman numerals.[32] 
< 1432431157 559872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: No, All The Tropes is a forked version of TV Tropes
< 1432431168 925175 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, maths are quite nice.
< 1432431176 567932 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLASPHEMY! there's a tvtropes fork?
< 1432431178 518958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: O, OK, thanks, now we can know!
< 1432431181 441493 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be good at maths
< 1432431181 627507 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. Were the ecryptfs implementors drunk and/or high?
< 1432431190 960719 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i got drugged
< 1432431210 382418 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(prescription)
< 1432431210 775382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes. I don't like the tvtropes and neither does Damian Yerrick and neither does the people who made All The Tropes that is why it is fork. I work on the All The Tropes instead of the TV Tropes, please.
< 1432431250 81481 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: quite possibly. it's an open source project, so they don't have corporate drug testing
< 1432431255 261936 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432431286 327558 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use bitocker on linux
< 1432431287 521615 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but, but... who's Damian Yerrick? why is tvtropes bad?
< 1432431290 711238 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can work from home, so they can drink since they don't need to drive
< 1432431295 407015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/scupeuev4zobaguy17ue6q
< 1432431309 568898 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really)
< 1432431324 509760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ** 43.6559769,-79.4141707 155 pounds <-- i was wondering what you were doing near galapagos
< 1432431326 228768 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooooooowww.....
< 1432431346 452964 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo that is pretty screwy
< 1432431372 504759 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -la on the NAS in .purple's parent directory doesn't show it, but at least I can get into .purple itself
< 1432431385 937861 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :read that as NSA
< 1432431457 961190 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. time to disappear.
< 1432431462 355924 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: NOODLY CHICKEN
< 1432431527 196435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: One thing is the license they change it
< 1432431540 193440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't important here who Damian Yerrick is.
< 1432431677 615358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : BLASPHEMY! there's a tvtropes fork? <-- there's a good argument that tvtropes has totally messed up a licensing change and is basically in massive copyright violation for everything before the change.  also they deleted a lot of stuff for PC reasons.  thus, forks.  although i still visit tvtropes myself.
< 1432431708 694845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't; I prefer All The Tropes, which however seem don't quite work right now.
< 1432431717 569377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily  BLASPHEMY! there's a tvtropes fork? <-- there's a good argument that tvtropes has totally messed up a licensing change and is basically in massive copyright violation for everything before the change.  also they deleted a lot of stuff for PC reasons.  thus, forks.  although i still visit tvtropes myself.
< 1432431717 755558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432431720 200731 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432431730 860161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody abrupt out-chickener
< 1432431731 82384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyways, my All The Tropes is:  http://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/User:Zzo38
< 1432431812 549746 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to read TVtropes in highschool, but in university I cut out a lot of internet things that were taking up my time and that was one
< 1432431824 8244 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn...gotta take meds
< 1432431865 920930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it is fixed, then you can access it even to see the level20.tex that I made up; I also made up the RDF of the tropes of level20.tex but maybe it is a bit mistake because some of them it says is straight and I am not quite sure if it is straight or not.
< 1432431894 541341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RDF of the tropes is still available though:  http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.trope
< 1432432037 299649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did write a program that can parse this file, but several other programs are also available.)
< 1432432117 910230 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think when I stopped using TVtropes they had suddenly renamed amny tropes whose names were in Japanese)
< 1432432187 739632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe; I don't know.
< 1432432218 912516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: oh right renamings too
< 1432432264 689026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell me if you think it is straight, sideways, etc, or if there is other tropes to add in there; I will add it to the RDF even if I cannot add it to the wiki yet.
< 1432432861 405504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the wiki software used with TV Tropes isn't as good; MediaWiki is better. And, All The Tropes doesn't need to have advertising and other stuff get in the way.
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< 1432433187 220751 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1432433744 385496 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the newest version of scrip7, I'm adding the abily to mmap files into the data space
< 1432433849 410392 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :this outputs the alphabet: !A001G100G200[12[P100+011]12[Q000@AZ
< 1432433901 972196 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this too confusing?
< 1432433926 145520 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* i understan how that works
< 1432433943 444792 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1432433983 535047 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12[ is while a[1] < a[2], correct?
< 1432433985 250676 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1432434005 783971 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/weU2zgTu
< 1432434028 173365 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432434030 522353 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12[ is while a[1] <= a[2]
< 1432434037 122850 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1432434047 204368 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12< is while a[1] < a[2]
< 1432434160 842829 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i am supposed to be able to run a simple game (guess a number?) in this code on a device with 2K of ram
< 1432434210 332879 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm planning on having a sdcard reader attached for something that big
< 1432434538 815415 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a serial conneection to an arduino-based gam controller
< 1432434705 206601 :hilquias`!~user@187.113.114.58 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432434796 118342 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1432436298 60575 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :found weird coding in an area i haven't tested yet
< 1432436545 921315 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBlKRzNf74
< 1432436579 764819 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432436591 51631 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have triggered a recursive loop had i not fixed it
< 1432436598 14281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of interpretation of quantum is OK? There is many different kind, but I prefer, constraint interpretation and I don't like the other one much. However I believe that it must be figure out the proper way to combine quantum physics with general relativity (or else to figure out if something is already wrong with it and should be adjusted), too.
< 1432436626 162544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Penrose also prefer another different kind of interpretation, and so do other people prefer different kind.
< 1432436728 103879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion? Do you don't like constraint interpretation or you do like or whta else?
< 1432436840 948560 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/PrH4E6ta
< 1432437046 574927 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the ensemble interpretation... It is the most empirical
< 1432437097 348826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me to look up what that one means; I forgot.
< 1432437208 370727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I looked it up.
< 1432437359 36306 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, it means that since our experiments that observe quantum effects are done by preparing many very similar systems, separated by space or time, we can't empirically say that quantum mechanical effects apply to single systems.
< 1432437504 920416 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432437712 306939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the interpretation i prefer has been invented yet.
< 1432437747 970365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo only interpretations that avoid putting hilbert space and complex numbers in a priori need apply
< 1432437790 369812 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1432437846 441202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be emergent, like classical probability is emergent.
< 1432437879 743777 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/t0NNvGwm
< 1432437887 436551 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it for the night
< 1432437925 579324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: i haven't read enough interpretations to be absolutely _sure_ it hasn't been invented, but on the other hand i think if it had, it would have a great enough following that i would have heard about it.)
< 1432438014 320160 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :please let me know if you think what i am making it a stupid wast of tie
< 1432438020 299249 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*time
< 1432438082 32156 :hilquias`!~user@187.113.114.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1432438121 808747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if that's a concern you shouldn't be doing esolangs :P
< 1432438125 102837 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a continuous cellular automaton with lie symmetry where the cells are folded projections of superstrings. Each cell stores an integer between -128 and 127...
< 1432438231 422475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I invented the constraint interpretation
< 1432438331 481041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, I don't quite like the other one.
< 1432438517 855524 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: !A074A179P000P100Q000@
< 1432438602 934984 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it !A074P000A079P000Q000@ ?
< 1432438608 910120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universe are made out of mathematics, and some mathematics are multiple solution and/or no solution in some circumstances, but still must be constraint by physical systems. It is the part of working of "constraint interpretation"
< 1432438673 763224 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was trying to say "ty"
< 1432438721 867315 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was the person who said we re all star-stuff?
< 1432438734 545292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know?
< 1432438740 829629 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or was that Delenn?)
< 1432438836 328424 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who does not know who Delenn is needs to watch more Babylon 5.
< 1432438901 908866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely remembered it
< 1432438942 982303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched some babylon 5 back in 1996 when i was spending that half-year in the us
< 1432439044 27197 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs the nightly backup before he or she falls asleep

< 1432439055 494681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was guessing sagan but apparently it goes back further http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/06/22/starstuff/
< 1432439086 135396 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION guessed sagan too

< 1432439107 72536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also https://esolangs.org/wiki/Perl
< 1432439116 912879 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION figures that JMS (the guy who made B5) was quoting Sagan

< 1432439128 680413 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is an esolang?
< 1432439147 28806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite, but they do have stuff to mention there
< 1432439150 200340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: no but people seemed to like my poetry interpretation
< 1432439202 278831 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl poetry can be esolang i assume
< 1432439222 269048 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the same way that obfuscated c is
< 1432439263 887250 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a work of art: ":(){:|:;};:"?
< 1432439291 753401 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do not type it into a sh prompt)
< 1432439315 233248 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriosly, don't. it will crash your pc)
< 1432439339 512836 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and don't type it into someone else's either)
< 1432439408 379403 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought it was pretty
< 1432439433 355753 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna go to bed. Allow me to quote one last piece of output from the neural net (consisting of two lines):
< 1432439444 980612 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:35:40:  `quote directive repo
< 1432439445 166802 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:38:17:  ​04structures: 09Welcome 02to 06the 04international 09hub 06for 08esoteric 06programming 08language 02design 09and 08deployment! 08For 08more 09information, 06check 02out 09our 09wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 09kind 13of 04mord 04int 09information, 06check 13out 09our 02wiki: 08. 06(For 02the 06other 07kind 09of 
< 1432439445 166894 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :06esoterica, 08try 06# 5* (+1) 10
< 1432439490 311721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh almost a loop
< 1432439496 722366 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, HackEgo, you sure did a good job of running the command "`quote directive repo".
< 1432439508 494805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote directive repo
< 1432439509 153857 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432439523 460090 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last time I ran it, it printed out this:
< 1432439523 646309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that quote must have been deleted hth
< 1432439538 275449 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> 5 -> ##############################################################################################################################
< 1432439556 510166 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote directive repo
< 1432439557 99856 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432439560 235678 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the output from there on consisted of pound signs, except that there was one single underscore in the middle somewhere.
< 1432439561 701802 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote repo
< 1432439562 393382 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :323)  You make a fist, shake it at the sky, and shout "why, GNU, why?!" -- that is the standard reportig practice. \ 448)  Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime. \ 743)  99 bugs in the bug tracker, 99 reports of bugs. Take one down and commit a fix, 106 bugs in the bug tracker. \ 855)  Is there a debian package for making lousy debian forks
< 1432440137 750269 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fork
< 1432440138 395717 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1025)  Is there a debian package for making lousy debian forks
< 1432440209 536803 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "pound sign" <- I don't call # that. I call it the hash sign or pronounce it "hashtag" for troll purposes 
< 1432440244 941979 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote pound
< 1432440245 605506 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432440263 895570 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote sign
< 1432440264 577130 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :83)  Well yeah, but furthermore unlike, oh, say, an Apple product, you don't have to sign their "we own your sperm" license agreement to GET that SDK and the requisite libraries. ...   pikhq: Sure, but it's the only way Apple could get a first-born-son clause into a modern licensing agreement without infringing child or slave labor 
< 1432440364 107947 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1432440677 154267 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab
< 1432441018 606856 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1432441042 604155 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :made a printout of the program
< 1432441159 368762 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all
< 1432441162 425982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote 83 | sed 's/.{40}//'
< 1432441163 121314 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :83)  Well yeah, but furthermore unlike, oh, say, an Apple product, you don't have to sign their "we own your sperm" license agreement to GET that SDK and the requisite libraries. ...   pikhq: Sure, but it's the only way Apple could get a first-born-son clause into a modern licensing agreement without infringing child or slave labor 
< 1432441170 394212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to figure out the music of a record by the visual inspection of the grooves only, not by the label and so on?
< 1432441171 199815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1432441178 59385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote 83 | sed 's/.\{40\}//'
< 1432441180 150313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike, oh, say, an Apple product, you don't have to sign their "we own your sperm" license agreement to GET that SDK and the requisite libraries. ...   pikhq: Sure, but it's the only way Apple could get a first-born-son clause into a modern licensing agreement without infringing child or slave labor laws.
< 1432441220 785156 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
< 1432441274 459810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote sign | tail -n +2
< 1432441275 245539 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :186)  clue is a language for beauty, not usefulness   or ability to run at all   ability to run at all is not even close to a design goal, no \ 250)  oerjan: are you in an aware state when the only hammer you have is for variable assignation and blocks \ 332) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit
< 1432441300 678212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote sign | tail -n +4
< 1432441301 475942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :332) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit out huge, meaningless type signatures]  I need to learn more Haskell...   ..I need to get op privs. \ 647)  Just because you can't design a reliable Monopoly machine out of chocolate doesn't mean nobody else can. \ 683)  [...] and then you just 
< 1432441336 152056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote sign | tail -n +6
< 1432441336 837158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :683)  [...] and then you just shuffle the integral signs around a bit and hope no mathematicians notice. \ 687)  has there been any work towards designing programming languages specifically for stoned people \ 751)  I vastly prefer "a blind idiot god".   pikhq: to what?   To the idea of someone actually intenti
< 1432441353 845927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote sign | tail -n +8
< 1432441354 543723 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :751)  I vastly prefer "a blind idiot god".   pikhq: to what?   To the idea of someone actually intentionally designing a mouse. \ 779)  But I still sign by my pens and use extra dots and shapes and so on so that I can claim I was threatened to sign it and put those dots there to warn you, or whatever \ 816)  
< 1432442033 824013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read somewhere, some physicists were trying to invent the device to communicate with ghosts but instead they invented quantum information theories? There are many instances where some people tried to invent one thing and instead invented a different thing (I think I have a book listing some of them), but this seem a bit strange way. Nevertheless it is still probably possible that someone can try such a strange thing and invent something el
< 1432442482 112228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt anyone can really invent the device to communicate with ghosts; if it is possible at all, it seems that a device is not needed. The other possibility is there is no ghost, or else that it is really something else also that is unknown.
< 1432442542 49121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a television show once, one child was claim to see and talk to a ghost but nobody else can see it; three different people had three different opinion what it is. The last one though, is a scientifically testable hypothesis because it is involving infrared and this can be tested to see if it is wrong or not.
< 1432442577 755330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you must also consider, can people change their color of vision by age and using what ways? Surely such a thing would have been studied?
< 1432442853 409953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people discuss paralell universes (probably unrelated to the above though, but who knows for sure?). One question to figure out is, can a wavefunction including multiple universes?
< 1432443372 422296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this would also have to do with geometry and numbers of dimensions. Are there additional small timelike dimensions, or only spacelike?
< 1432443781 100020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that the laws of physics *must* be made out of mathematics, no matter how strange they might be.
< 1432445292 258907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know one person who doesn't wear a watch because when she did it would go too fast, and she other electrical problems like too. I have read this before in books but did not know how true such things can be until seeing it.
< 1432445526 654591 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432445527 1556 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432445547 825037 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432445579 517340 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a wristwatch that displays one's biological clock
< 1432445606 292147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do such wristwatches exist though?
< 1432445654 148532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did she buy it in a shop that wasn't there the previous day or the next?
< 1432445673 358419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was an ordinary watch, and the same thing happened to other watches.
< 1432445679 513470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1432445725 622092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe one was bought in a shop that wasn't there the previous day or the next, but this is highly unlikely and even if true this information would have been lost.)
< 1432445744 229950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now imagines a parallel earth which is identical in most respect but with a slightly shorter day length, and occasionally watches slip through

< 1432445782 263681 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you see, oerjan, this is where leap seconds come from.
< 1432445798 782139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ooh
< 1432445844 307129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, people there keep wondering why they get extra socks in their laundry
< 1432445940 409221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know if parallel universes exist, but these ideas you mention seem unlikely. Still it is possible to might explain something, but probably not those things.
< 1432446125 783888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of someone who said she had a dream where she could know on what day someone died far away actually in a few hours after the dream (I trust what she says). I did have many explanations in mind but after hearing the full story concluded that none of them worked, except for the possibility of misremembering due to confusion of dreaming, which still seems a bit unlikely here but might possibly still work.
< 1432446459 841166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once observed, while standing in the room opposite the washroom, an object sitting on the toilet (the part you don't open/close; it had been there a few days already) suddenly slipped off and fell onto the floor, making noise. There was no window open, no fans on, and nobody in that room. Possibly it is due to turbulence or microorganisms or spiders or something...I don't know.
< 1432446615 447958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some might say it is similar to poltergeists, but to me there is several problems with that:  [1] It only happened once.  [2] It doesn't explain much if you don't even know what is poltergeists.  [3] I am more inclined to consider other more ordinary possibilities first before strange things like that.  [4] I am not even so sure there are any poltergeists.
< 1432446731 170523 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it's a cat.
< 1432446746 401621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was no cat in there. If there was though, it would certainly explain it.
< 1432446828 724819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I know that spider can make some web and possibly something can cause such attach thing to move a bit; and in unlikely circumstances might cause what is said there. I of course don't know how well such thing would actually work though; it is just some kind of guess.
< 1432446981 447427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own opinion is that these things I reported must be published so that people can argue about it and can complain about it.
< 1432447016 227285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My comments about it is part of the argument about it, too.)
< 1432447132 983459 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there was a low rumble of some sort that justled it just right?
< 1432447145 109949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, something like earthquakes maybe
< 1432447152 240015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the other possibility.
< 1432447192 965894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think earthquakes tend to move more things usually, but still that does seem a reasonable possibility.
< 1432447253 988088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it?
< 1432447257 196289 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1432447306 893793 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cisten lids are kind of odd, all bumpy and slippery.
< 1432447319 724635 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to tell when something's going to slide on them.
< 1432447347 387303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not think so at first because nothing else like that happened at the time and nothing else like that was reported. It also didn't happen before or after that time, even though the object was sitting there for a few days.
< 1432447375 375237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes it does seem more likely for an object to slide just because of the kind of surface it is; I did consider that too actually.
< 1432447443 483819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On most other surfaces in the house, objects placed there for a few days are less likely to slide.
< 1432447487 874775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe also the water inside of the toilet...I know sometimes when the water is turn on in kitchen sink and bathroom sink and so on, sometimes it is a bit erratic.
< 1432447581 547884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was sitting there just fine for a few days; nobody used the toilet recently but the door was open and from a room across the hall I could observe that. Therefore, I do not know if it is best explanation but at least, any of these thing may be possible.
< 1432447665 301694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know of small earthquakes making a few objects slide off of a shelf, and have observed this; but this is when the earthquake was reported. However, maybe such earthquake is just too small to have any effect on ordinary surfaces.
< 1432447746 20071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, therefore was not detected either.
< 1432447864 432714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, then, you must have the way to detect by the devices designed for this purpose. Yet, we could not detect it even with such devices in the same house (but they may have been too far away from the toilet room??? or the device was defective??)
< 1432447947 268561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It dose still seem probably the most likely to me though, despite this.
< 1432448049 900792 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432448105 45785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, I have never observed it at all at any other times (an object on the toilet slipping like that, I mean!), even indirectly (such as door closed), even with the fan on, window open, etc. But maybe it is too unlikely; I don't know how to calculate such probabilities of such things.
< 1432448156 918830 :a2!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432448196 142518 :a2!~CADD@12.227.104.109 NICK :CADD
< 1432448473 29009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read a report about a man named Home was levitating, and that trustworthy people reported and scientists of the time found no fraud; an illustration is provided. However, it look to me from the illustration that he was holding some hooks on the ceiling which are difficult to see, but, that doesn't explain how to get up there at first anyways. (Of course, just because they found no fraud at the time doesn't necessarily mean there isn't any, bu
< 1432448588 927121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nor does it mean the story is or is not entirely fictional, of course.)
< 1432448774 377001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric
< 1432448786 470435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432449635 831912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432449982 672609 :nsh!~lol@wikipedia/nsh PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1432450249 995977 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1432450731 171513 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432450811 96981 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432453831 624289 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432454848 128435 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka
< 1432454957 815193 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION coughes himself awake

< 1432455659 408009 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1432456170 853017 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432456217 138451 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1432456793 199568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: extra socks => http://qntm.org/socks
< 1432456839 268585 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1432458181 70331 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432458750 559948 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wisdom from the neural net:
< 1432458753 675243 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:39:09:  if a class program file. well, that's cheating until we see that they'd be called esolangs
< 1432458876 373699 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the neural net has a generic "a bot was invoked" neuron.
< 1432458905 65940 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In these logs, someone did a !bfjoust command, to which lambdabot responded "Consider it noted."
< 1432458979 827133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1432459259 899436 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is the longest syntactically correct sentence I've seen the net generate yet:
< 1432459271 961344 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'I'm using it up to "there are many commands" as a similar language, the other one is all the experience of the contents.'
< 1432459290 403427 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, the comma should be a semicolon, but using a comma there is the sort of thing a human would do.
< 1432459319 73674 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: right, it doesn't have to generate correct sentences, but sentences we use on the channel
< 1432459791 339209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo should be easy hth
< 1432459874 121769 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does frequently produce messages ending with "hth".
< 1432459907 440956 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp, I think the syntax seems to be getting better, but it's getting better really slowly.
< 1432460080 970790 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1432460444 69488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1432460534 299383 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if a size 300 state vector is large enough for the net to get syntax correct *and* also do everything else it's trying to do at the same time.
< 1432460650 960113 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, probably not. I guess English syntax is pretty complicated.
< 1432460668 45102 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also probabilistic. Lots and lots of things are "marginally correct".
< 1432461653 806939 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/ycwECkwx
< 1432461742 773676 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://pastebin.com/TKYPGQXi
< 1432461837 496325 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also this: http://pastebin.com/ebdQS25X
< 1432461860 849484 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :those three are fourfuck pre-alpha v0001d
< 1432461959 389480 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting?
< 1432462124 87638 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you have to say about ycwECkwx?
< 1432462124 273712 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if a judgement other than the nth-highest bid ( at the start of
< 1432462281 399027 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is fungot?
< 1432462281 622700 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: private land.
< 1432462379 468549 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432462402 25593 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hi
< 1432462422 25452 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey there.
< 1432462500 228381 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the thing i pasted make any sense to you yet?
< 1432462547 362636 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, lemme take a look here.
< 1432462659 600605 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432462674 631378 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: it looks like there's no way to access a computed tape location.
< 1432462713 624587 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain so i know what to add
< 1432462797 645889 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there doesn't seem to be any way of accessing, say, tape[cache[(1)]].
< 1432462804 461155 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but can you not load it into cache and access it there?
< 1432462828 719606 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1432462854 370646 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a work in progress
< 1432462864 258785 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1432462897 90917 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have enough ters left
< 1432462905 81517 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*letters
< 1432462948 32389 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say this looks a lot like machine code.
< 1432463035 95204 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it does
< 1432463227 31531 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :!A00DY000Z000Q000@Hello, World!
< 1432463257 201712 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(inclde the carraige return in the code)
< 1432463292 546429 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432463865 1902 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432464375 253377 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432464380 361451 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1432464389 80638 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anybody out there
< 1432464398 240883 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1432464409 142658 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1432464426 884806 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is about sprituality etc?
< 1432464434 238830 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1432464440 144888 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432464454 304132 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming languages
< 1432464465 312922 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432464468 287218 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1432464501 415914 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1432464531 170511 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i've never heard of an esoteric language
< 1432464533 729392 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling atm
< 1432464602 4982 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty cool
< 1432464632 27434 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH ArnoldC
< 1432464641 314486 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn
< 1432464734 736296 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really some of this is pretty cool
< 1432464757 538566 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome
< 1432464758 294977 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1432464772 173392 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first time using irc going to play around a bit more
< 1432464775 753721 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1432464779 91449 :sushe!~user@103.227.97.179 PART #esoteric :"ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"
< 1432465456 181226 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1432465630 449029 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I know
< 1432465640 6965 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1432465648 403918 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm
< 1432465660 775457 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1432465731 960575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43035&oldid=42636 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+60) 10/* Game */ A programming language in which programs are court trials.
< 1432466836 430361 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objection-oriented programming
< 1432466849 626663 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1432467447 997264 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1432467448 222528 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1432467454 991739 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432467606 965853 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432467614 918694 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric
< 1432467643 112554 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432467738 217366 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1432467990 53546 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432468099 939499 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: good one
< 1432468579 1328 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea
< 1432468591 490659 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could not have put it better myself
< 1432468664 780025 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432468669 266063 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PART :#esoteric
< 1432468675 644845 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432468836 441029 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1432468846 455527 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a specification for an objection-oriented language.
< 1432469514 265095 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind someone else can do it
< 1432469800 212468 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wright language for all language lawyers.
< 1432470014 460515 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrought with peril
< 1432470048 624802 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and puns)
< 1432470219 901919 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1432470244 616695 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432470502 773423 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"language lawyers" lol
< 1432470508 185809 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432470521 652508 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer a more... (edge)worthy language
< 1432471049 399776 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432471408 690671 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lktlzfjxnqxfvoqz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1432471486 389199 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*awkwa-- objectionable silence*
< 1432471597 645978 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1432471607 772170 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1432471615 171146 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432471714 141735 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432471743 795843 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop this objectionable silence
< 1432471755 690066 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Client Quit
< 1432471779 176771 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah
< 1432471862 523176 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by nah?
< 1432471865 688345 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-otmffkhuwmyzxwfr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432471905 323609 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like stopping this objectionable silence
< 1432472164 372345 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1432472268 200565 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I object to your belief that the chatroom is still silent.
< 1432472282 220122 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm talking duh
< 1432472288 277277 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1432472461 477071 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric
< 1432472765 747390 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: are you certain? I can't HEAR you!
< 1432473057 350345 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: we're not in PW vs PL are we?
< 1432473099 430313 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-otmffkhuwmyzxwfr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1432473227 197104 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: well if we are then I don't know where we are.
< 1432473276 199244 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1432473415 344848 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pure logic, the same kind of logic that allows Granny Weatherwax to say "elephant" without thinking of one.
< 1432473463 41690 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't trust the defendant, she might be thinking of one
< 1432473912 931104 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-scsbbkkndpgcsmzn JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432474046 314930 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/LNEhb8t0
< 1432474064 571020 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the command list
< 1432474172 422762 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowercase letters are arguments
< 1432474195 971890 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :underscores are wildcards
< 1432474248 802553 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i just fixed a typo
< 1432474374 657370 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, does this mae sense?
< 1432474398 11924 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, make enough sense
< 1432474710 316575 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah.
< 1432474757 223755 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could put it on the wiki, although it doesn't have a page rating system so it's hard to point out examples of well documanted lanaguages
< 1432474782 344287 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not ready yet
< 1432474798 804933 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still need to add a few things
< 1432474822 864923 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just taking a break o breathe
< 1432474833 686750 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added a lot of stuff to scrip7 a few weeks or months after I put it on the wiki.
< 1432474866 50544 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not complete, i mean
< 1432474873 191657 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1432474881 501574 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in a few days
< 1432475049 957427 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-scsbbkkndpgcsmzn QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1432475069 501882 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanted to make sure the curent command name format looked okay
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< 1432479809 122312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on, is homestuck actually... updating?
< 1432480098 670982 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32865248 :(
< 1432480103 83557 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes
< 1432480116 452509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1432480119 157325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean...
< 1432480125 783894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll actually END soon
< 1432480145 587184 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe
< 1432480157 473151 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll last at least into July
< 1432480401 517642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to care but i just really can't
< 1432480430 476265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really want to see the homestuck i got into end, but it turned into something else entirely
< 1432481445 544244 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is coughing stuff up

< 1432481447 563387 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :allergies
< 1432481452 125362 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :just started using nasacort, but had another ill-timed coughing fit right after, requiring a blowing of the nose...
< 1432481541 607309 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432481943 547208 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stackstack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43036&oldid=42098 5* 03T.J.S.1 5* (-2) 10edit the other reference to the interpreter page ._.
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< 1432482432 98939 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/LNEhb8t0 http://pastebin.com/pEfdTYz0
< 1432482537 254132 :intra_!88a90834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.136.169.8.52 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432482714 50951 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: if it is something like pollen in the air, try wearing a medical mask
< 1432482739 248676 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :coughing into a mask?
< 1432482763 581542 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no to keep the pollen out of your air
< 1432482788 245646 :intra_!88a90834@gateway/web/freenode/ip.136.169.8.52 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1432482798 598084 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it at my grandparents' because they have dogs
< 1432483007 778628 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts on the apap's nose-mask and prepares to rest

< 1432483065 679116 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have sleep apnea
< 1432483128 749325 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i put a placeholder on the wiki?
< 1432483270 144631 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i should probably make a page for th language, but what do i link it to?
< 1432484103 60370 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fourfuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43037 5* 03Lesidhetree 5* (+412) 10First version of page. (I have never edited a wiki before, so this page needs a lot of work...)
< 1432484193 527884 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43038&oldid=43033 5* 03Lesidhetree 5* (+15) 10/* F */ Added Fourfuck to the list
< 1432484293 219364 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha does the (+412) and (+15) mean on thouse two lines from HackEgo about my edits?
< 1432484332 738962 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, character count
< 1432484533 602408 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fourfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43039&oldid=43037 5* 03Lesidhetree 5* (+5) 10Request for help with formatting added.
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< 1432486112 214523 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: !A048SOB0A049SOB0@
< 1432486124 640224 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, hi
< 1432486195 859930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: that's an interesting typo
< 1432486214 18348 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/LNEhb8t0 http://pastebin.com/pEfdTYz0
< 1432486257 90730 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fourfuck, it ould have outputted: HI
< 1432486387 679041 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourfuc is ready enough to be on the wiki but not ready enough to have any more than a near-blan page
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< 1432488194 990318 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43040&oldid=43027 5* 03Ais523 5* (+162) 10/* Why the reserved characters? */ correction
< 1432488216 691670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo's doing the wiki announcements?
< 1432488303 47908 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has been for a while
< 1432488461 242449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems so weird, given that HackEgo's normal job is very different from that (in particular, it involves a sandbox)
< 1432488515 386228 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hackego's server is the same computer as the wiki's iirc
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< 1432490159 350352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's because of lazy. In particular, there was a really easy way to make HackEgo (technically, multibot) say something, and they're on the same box. There's a socat|stuff|socat shell-oneliner to receive the UDP from the wiki and write it to HackEgo.
< 1432490172 764879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1432490186 449080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this UDP?
< 1432490204 329381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess each update fits in one packet so most of the UDP failure modes won't matter
< 1432490213 639478 :Sprocklem_!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :Sprocklem
< 1432490223 362112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what MediaWiki uses. Well, that and something more complicated.
< 1432490223 547544 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-rryoxvvcdxcludzo JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432490305 144900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRCFeeds supports UDP and Redis Pub/Sub as engines.
< 1432490317 826960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this thing you mentioned about underload, implementing the flip from the other primitives, is a nice puzzle. at first I thought it was impossible (despite that there's an implementation) and I had an explanation for why it's impossible:
< 1432490350 224566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION giggles

< 1432490457 998766 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drop, dup, list, apply operators only read the topmost element of the stack, so the first time you read the original second topmost element, it has to happen with the concat operator. when you apply the concat operator, the original second topmost element has to be parenthisized, otherwise you can't recover it later.
< 1432490553 358088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1432490590 140176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to parenthisize that value, you have to use the list operator, which needs it on the top of the stack. you can't flip anything below the second topmost element, because you're not allowed to use the flip operator. thus, you have nowhere to store the orignal topmost element of the stack when you list the second topmost element.
< 1432490599 605873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see the error: apply can read more elements than the topmost one as a side effect
< 1432490600 510079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turns out this argument doesn't work.
< 1432490617 370408 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can store the topmost element in the execution stack
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< 1432490671 578901 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can list the topmost element twice, then flip the topmost element with a _constant_, then concat and do other transforms, then apply,
< 1432490710 40438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get something on the execution stack that contains the original first element twice, 
< 1432490723 83379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: flipping with constants is indeed the essential step on the way to solving the whole problem
< 1432490750 858446 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and drops it the first time so it can access and list the original second element.
< 1432490773 728402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't give a complete solution, but at least shows that you can't prove impossibility this way.
< 1432490784 836710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should perhaps try to synthetize a full solution some day.
< 1432490852 848562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload is still very counterintuitive to me.
< 1432490880 258425 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, there are proofs that it can do anything, but it doesn't look like it can.
< 1432490892 883474 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a crazy language.
< 1432490908 435065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: a useful Underload construction is (some commands here)~a*^
< 1432490930 104459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that basically stores the top stack element in the execution stack while you do something else
< 1432490979 573151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1432491028 222496 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's really just upvalues, but this whole concept of storing a pointer to arbitrary runtime data on the execution stack seems alien.
< 1432491170 832327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: next: fueue hth
< 1432491240 769201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just replace stack with queue, and watch sequencing get really annoying, but still possible
< 1432491417 988610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm HackEgo is back
< 1432491426 576695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/welcome
< 1432491434 548272 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1432491465 547479 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1432491477 840125 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rev wisdom/welcome
< 1432491478 496688 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​).ten.lad.cri no ciretose# yrt ,aciretose fo dnik rehto eht roF( .>/gro.sgnalose//:ptth< :ikiw ruo tuo kcehc ,noitamrofni erom roF !tnemyolped dna ngised egaugnal gnimmargorp ciretose rof buh lanoitanretni eht ot emocleW
< 1432491518 680921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/on irc.*/on EFnet or DALnet.)/' wisdom/welcome
< 1432491520 715146 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432491525 861808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome
< 1432491527 489625 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06EFnet 13or 04DALnet.)
< 1432491812 458824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i didn't know the origin of the name EFnet was this hilarious
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< 1432492328 319967 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`emoclew
< 1432492331 185716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(.tenLAD ro tenFE no ciretose# yrt ,aciretose fo dnik rehto eht roF) .>/gro.sgnalose//:ptth< :ikiw ruo tuo kcehc ,noitamrofni erom roF !tnemyolped dna ngised egaugnal gnimmargorp ciretose rof buh lanoitanretni eht ot emocleW
< 1432492385 132003 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it known how much it limits underload if you're not allowed to grow the data stack over 100 elements? 3 elements? 2 elements?
< 1432492494 106467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 100 elements would still give you the full power.
< 1432492521 479377 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1432492562 399685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine much less would be enough
< 1432492625 442609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can encode a stack as nested programs
< 1432492671 325515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-3 might get awkward :P
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< 1432492882 61788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ -> ^^, : -> :a~^~!a*
< 1432492994 609271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(X) -> a(X)*
< 1432493000 740953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's enough for TC
< 1432493017 571615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1432493034 286673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(X) -> a((X))*
< 1432493104 340214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have a feeling that the minimum required stack size is either 2 or 3
< 1432493116 325670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 1, : doesn't work, and thus obviously it's sub-TC
< 1432493134 865665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well : is the sticky one there
< 1432493164 663654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of representing a stack as a list of cons cells
< 1432493169 222036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes up to 3
< 1432493176 320301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um that's what i did above
< 1432493190 97610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get :()^ with 3 elements afaict
< 1432493194 478486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, it's the obvious way to do things
< 1432493239 723425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :! -> ^!
< 1432493410 455926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but I don't want just TC, I want efficiency, as in, O(n log n) interpretation time of a pointer machine (with immutable cells) program that runs in O(n) time provided the data types and register count is constant.
< 1432493414 378637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ -> ^~^(a~a*a)~a*^a*  or thereabouts
< 1432493439 939991 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two-counter machine with exponential slowdown just doesn't cut it for me, and I'd like to avoid even quadratic slowdown
< 1432493458 737795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's no exponential slowdown, i think this is linear in fact
< 1432493476 387619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure, the exponential slowdown is when you can only interpret :^()
< 1432493477 167347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it depends on what computational order the various Underload commands have, doesn't it?
< 1432493479 544462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well
< 1432493495 528086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i just added ~, gives you a TM
< 1432493520 342739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1432493526 498035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be using 4 cells
< 1432493599 29414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think you can implement underload in such a way that you take only amortized constant time for each operation, but I'm not completely sure. I'll have to think about the details. 
< 1432493600 222183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be that * will give some slowdown, if the encoding isn't efficient.
< 1432493607 632485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write an interpreter for that.
< 1432493633 673897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I wrote an interpreter derlo which worked a bit like that; however there are some combinations that I don't think work
< 1432493653 554875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like :(foo)~*, I'm not convinced that can be impled in amortized constant time
< 1432493663 899971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it can be, it'll require crazy GC abilities
< 1432493681 747113 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should implement parenthisized lists as the kind of trees like data Tree = Empty | NonEmpty NonemptyTree; data NonemptyTree = Singleton Value | Concat NonemptyTree NonemptyTree;
< 1432493689 279831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right * and ~* requires you to be able to construct efficient deques
< 1432493706 84290 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can interpret concatenation in constant time, though the problem is, you also have to decons trees efficiently, so it might not be enough
< 1432493722 42293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the worst case, you could use a finger tree representation, for that also gives you efficient decons
< 1432493737 220513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that has constant time concatenation?
< 1432493745 249261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm... tru
< 1432493751 866661 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'll have to think more about this
< 1432493771 264861 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the gc is a problem, the gc can be done as amortized constant time (it may have to be a bit real world slow for that, but still)
< 1432493835 95876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think just those plain trees would work.
< 1432493867 10294 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432493881 501807 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd then represent the data stack as a plain list, and the code stack as a list of trees, with the assumption that they're actually flattened on the code stack.
< 1432493909 774737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, the code stack as a list of nonempty-trees
< 1432493916 137315 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you avoid pushing empty trees on it
< 1432493931 939401 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you execute a singleton tree by executing the operation in it,
< 1432493949 193481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and execute a Concat by replacing it on the stack with its two children.
< 1432493954 991941 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The slides for my computability and complexity course say "Theorem (There need not exist a fastest TM): There is a decidable language L such that for every TM M accepting L, there is a TM M' such that L(M') = L(M) and the time complexity of M' is in O(log(time complexity of M))
< 1432493957 394999 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1432493968 54758 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand this, can anyone explain?
< 1432493968 493000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's still amortized time constant provided that the memory use doesn't grow unbounded, because you run fewer of the latter ops than the former.
< 1432493987 440214 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's from Sudkamp's Languages and Machines
< 1432493991 378849 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I don't have access to
< 1432494023 39518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, if the code stack grows infinitely, you might still be screwed.
< 1432494047 733956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm wait, this might not work.
< 1432494065 413998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have a quadratic slowdown. Damn.
< 1432494075 413327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not?
< 1432494079 936212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think it might work.
< 1432494084 320079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, I'll think about it later.
< 1432494106 480903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks about leaving the thinking to y'all

< 1432494113 461624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1432494148 165170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: that sounds strange.
< 1432494174 121490 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why I'm asking about it
< 1432494291 422080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that sort-of implies that for any TM accepting the language, you can find an infinite number of TMs accepting it, each logarithmically faster than the one before
< 1432494306 115428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in turn implies to me that there are complexity classes so high that you can logarithm them repeatedly without making any difference
< 1432494321 852851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this last statement doesn't seem impossible to me, given how asymptotic performance works
< 1432494378 623153 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1432494388 352351 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: here is how it is written in the slides: http://i.imgur.com/azjEQBD.png
< 1432494426 44477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be a language that is very slow to compute, such as perhaps not even primitive recursive
< 1432494546 996406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it has to be something which has absolutely terrible performance
< 1432494579 228265 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems impossible to me... I don't get how it could work
< 1432494599 870361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, a tetration has performance bad enough to stand up to any finite number of logarithms
< 1432494613 505863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x tetrate n = x^(x tetrate (n-1)))
< 1432494644 769838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't even aware Nash was still alive
< 1432494661 378621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't solve the problem by itself but makes it very plausible that such a thing could exist
< 1432494746 298240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i think he got the Abel prize this year...
< 1432494786 732477 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it torns out you can lower a computer's idle temperatrue by 40 degrees with nothing more than a can of air
< 1432494809 115725 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decompressing air is cold
< 1432494821 195424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: sure, running the computer in vacuum is a very bad idea, because the computer uses air cooling
< 1432494822 262219 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean even after you stop using it
< 1432494832 860679 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :always run your computer in an atmosphere
< 1432494846 96749 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the air isn't just for your use, it's for the computer too
< 1432494861 500784 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, having an atmosphere mostly of dust is a bad idea
< 1432494874 225054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, vacuum often
< 1432494880 989958 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :vacuum clean
< 1432494884 478283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't leave the vacuum there
< 1432494947 324851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case anyone wasn't aware: Was, past tense. He died in a car crash
< 1432495099 110233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: eep.  i just got to that part of the logs.
< 1432495134 549762 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the fact that puppy linux displays your battery in milli ampere hours
< 1432495151 235806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't see him mentioned in the logs, unless the codu logs are bad

< 1432495182 939662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Taneb linked to the news without naming him
< 1432495192 471119 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen him mentioned on other channels
< 1432495211 109642 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to put something in the topic
< 1432495214 363792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ubuntu's extended battery details shows the battery charge in watt hours, also the voltage
< 1432495218 618321 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah
< 1432495221 7426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we could calculate it from there
< 1432495223 928577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oren:
< 1432495283 313123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a beautiful mind is one of the very few movies i've decided by my own to watch in the cinema
< 1432495309 951582 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: was it a good film? I haven't seen it
< 1432495345 623252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a decade or so ago and i'm not really sure
< 1432495368 887831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read afterward it took some liberties describing his disease
< 1432495387 255468 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last time I went to the cinema was... Friday
< 1432495389 671958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he didn't really see things visually)
< 1432495478 850314 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nice. I think Despicable Me 2 is the only such film for me. 
< 1432495510 608064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :John Nash has reached his final equilibrium | The chanteau | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/
< 1432495567 970989 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I quite like going to the cinema)
< 1432495627 154370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :please change the topic again if you think that was bad taste
< 1432495706 731160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, I think that's fine.
< 1432495729 413624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be a very good joke, but it's definitely not in bad taste.
< 1432496575 171076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh today'd darths & droids is a round number
< 1432496583 979111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(y'all should know what this means)
< 1432496586 491034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s
< 1432496932 467913 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg
< 1432496950 393741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure
< 1432497061 504745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"•David Attenborough is known (barely) for doing voiceovers for poorly selling computer games, but gains widespread fame after his appearance in the first Futurama movie." OKAY
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< 1432497319 390639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I noticed the logs you complain about people who try to use AmigaMML where public domain is not acceptable and that they will not accept CC0, Unlicense, WTFPL. I am not really sure it is possible; WTFPL allows you to do whatever you want and that includes if you don't want to accept the license therefore you have accepted it anyways and are in compliance with the license anyways. If you change the text of WTFPL without changing its name too tha
< 1432497422 825160 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1432497452 557115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: your line got cut off after "its name too tha"
< 1432497500 279585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you change the text of WTFPL without changing its name too that is a violation, but only of the licence of the licence, not of the licence of the software.
< 1432497708 344213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, a self-referential license...
< 1432497781 936339 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1432497833 94668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The conditions for the license itself are longer than the license proper. So useless...)
< 1432498044 164125 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In any case, a license is a legal agreement; it takes two parties to make it effective. So of course one can reject the WTFPL, CC0, and Unlicense terms with regard to your software.
< 1432498058 8956 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus I might end up in a situation where I cannot legally use it.
< 1432498252 853588 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ukttsvxnyyjziwqj JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432498515 901338 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432498707 665922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: But then if you use it anyways aren't you implicitly trying to agree somehow?
< 1432498902 921295 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would probably be hard to build a case against me. ;)
< 1432499013 336228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyways I am not going to sue you for it; I can't, because I put it in public domain.
< 1432499127 366548 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea whether this works. It doesn't around here.
< 1432499225 612738 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's effectively possible anyway; the only person who could possibly sue for copyright infringement is you.
< 1432499399 950674 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, can you sue yourself if you have split personality?
< 1432499408 497349 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ukttsvxnyyjziwqj QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1432499444 154758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :puh.
< 1432499570 418013 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-yxfrswfidqpunqvk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432499577 393231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1432499606 569827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :might depend on the country of course.
< 1432499617 374247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely to succeed in the USA than in Europe.
< 1432500552 426490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people argue about what kind of FOSS licenses to use. For simplicity, I can suggest that if it is just a project you do by yourself and isn't a business project or whatever, a simple permissive license (or public domain) will do OK. However, if you are making free software to be sold/supported/etc by a business (this includes hardware sales), I would suggest GPL3 which provides a lot of the protections you would need.
< 1432500585 605208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I assume you aren't making a software library to be included in other products. If you are, you can still use GPL3 and provide an alternative commercial license, I suppose.)
< 1432500603 322295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are companies that do this, in fact.)
< 1432500635 243647 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I don't like about GPL3 is the clause that lets people update from that to whatever other license the FSF passes in the future.
< 1432500672 298476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think that depends whether or not the software says it is allowed or not. As far as I know, you could even allow it only by proxy.
< 1432500681 630404 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: you do not have to include that
< 1432500689 926987 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1432500700 330463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For business protection you may want to use the "proxy" decision.
< 1432500712 438436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: no, I think that optional
< 1432500721 140888 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be good, then.
< 1432500722 190304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if true or not though)
< 1432500755 156925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one prefer non-copyleft licenses
< 1432500777 905905 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The AGPL I'm not really interested in, just because I don't know how agressively someone could force audits on people they suspect run AGPL code on their servers.
< 1432500805 727174 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sounds like it could turn kind of witch hunty.
< 1432500816 193754 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1432500844 646826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too tend to use non-copyleft for my own software these days (specifically, public domain), for simplicity. I have no problem to contribute to or use ones that are GPL though.
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< 1432501471 880964 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: googled a bit; for Germany, you'll have a hard time finding anything to sue yourself over; for example, you cannot enter into legal agreements with yourself.
< 1432501500 997720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Hmm, can you sue yourself if you have split personality?
< 1432501538 780875 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not, the legal system has contingencies for when the mentally ill get involved
< 1432501542 698015 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the law is unsympathetic to that notion, they're all the same natural person.
< 1432501568 864603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you put two MIDI signals (one in each direction) and power in one direction with RJ-45 connectors?
< 1432501615 640986 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make a corporation and order it to sue you, maybe?
< 1432501621 66073 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432501632 5320 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: sure.
< 1432501679 134472 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh that oughta work
< 1432501708 433123 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you cannot incorporate all by yourself.
< 1432501726 877303 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1432501729 348656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still talking about Germany, obviously this depends on the jurisdiction a lot)
< 1432501749 680824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you can make a corporation at all in the uk
< 1432501760 507363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a list of people suing themselves somewhere, let me find it
< 1432501772 226422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're only made by appointment from the queen or something
< 1432501797 575569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: http://www.loweringthebar.net/autolitigation/
< 1432501804 49762 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wjat about a john doe suit where the actual perpetrator was you?
< 1432501849 698195 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't sue yourself in criminal law, the state (district attorney, whatever) is suing.
< 1432501871 949480 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dhydjhhcejzisfys JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432501997 278250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if it's criminal law, there's no suing going on at all, just prosecution
< 1432502293 678068 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's a vocabulary failure on my part
< 1432502413 669708 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432502737 549806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it legal for Sony to sue themself for putting malware in audio CDs?
< 1432502756 653944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which won't even play on their own CD players!)
< 1432502762 488304 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nice
< 1432502831 46000 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dhydjhhcejzisfys QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1432502886 293224 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ommckedtieycnqti JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432502916 7567 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This laptop has a port on it with symbol IOIOI
< 1432502938 965390 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of male connector
< 1432502952 667644 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that be for
< 1432502965 688587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :input/output/input/output/input
< 1432502967 731357 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: serial port I believe
< 1432502975 532348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, rs232
< 1432503007 534109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that female? hmm
< 1432503043 90978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, a laptop with a male connector on it?
< 1432503045 535632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work?
< 1432503047 905888 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what it is
< 1432503060 357030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just kind of sticking out of the main body of the laptop
< 1432503071 533651 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_port
< 1432503077 587869 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like that
< 1432503090 306956 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in a recess
< 1432503188 68753 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The neural net has successfully produced a pretty long message that's arguably structurally correct:
< 1432503189 749530 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:44:06:  I found a reasonable collatz file of the string, but it's a link to the point of const void and get an array, but I don't really know why it'd be a bit surprised if the problem is a command-line, but it's pretty much less you and the sum of the fact it's a limited length.
< 1432503239 85826 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ommckedtieycnqti QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432503277 46213 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432503314 588077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :neural net: it's called "pointer to const void", not "point of const void"
< 1432503322 204998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe pikhq wouldn't know that?
< 1432503506 254514 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you see, there's... a bad thing happening, and there are a bunch of solutions that they're trying, each one more desperate than the last.
< 1432503520 209196 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The absolute last resort solution is to use const void.
< 1432503539 27064 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is talking about what will happen when they finally get to the point of const void.
< 1432503544 175361 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Nash has reached his final equilibrium | The Collatz files | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/
< 1432503552 308435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432503571 913338 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not even sound like something I would say though. :)
< 1432503610 87762 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Nash has completely decayed into electrons, protons and photons?
< 1432503613 256926 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter. As you can see, I really liked the "collatz file" :)
< 1432503619 616866 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1432503657 877576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to do MIDI in ways like I mentioned? How fast can it be in such case?
< 1432503700 219299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, there's neutrinos too
< 1432503727 661565 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right. Electron antineutrinos.
< 1432503791 473090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover TOPIC #esoteric :John Nash has reached his final equilibrium | The Collatz files | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/
< 1432503828 360249 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lvwaaffnkrefsvfl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432503837 785558 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wait, do muon neutrinos and tau neutrinos decay?
< 1432503878 905527 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: thanks, I forgot to add /topic somehow.
< 1432503914 943298 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think they don't.
< 1432504022 178939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they oscillate between three delicious flavours
< 1432504161 109070 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how about the second and third generation quarks, what happens to those?
< 1432504248 338651 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like they just decay.
< 1432504291 18326 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So John Nash would have completely decayed into electrons, protons, electron antineutrinos, maybe muon and tau (anti)neutrinos, and maybe some other stuff.
< 1432504341 703275 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that there are atoms that are pretty stable, right?  There's huge balls of iron made of them.
< 1432504367 677783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd decay into electron antineutrinos which would immediately start oscillating into an even mix of all 3 kinds
< 1432504371 234290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, hmm
< 1432504443 487433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're quite old too.
< 1432504446 322719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure iron actually would decay, yeah
< 1432504522 2750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, it wouldn't
< 1432504633 311648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you people are so picky
< 1432504685 489348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hard time restating that equilibrium as something that's both technically correct and didn't apply equally much before ... oh wait
< 1432504708 34356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :John Nash's beautiful mind has reached its final equilibrium | The Collatz files | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/
< 1432504714 745717 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the neutrons in iron don't decay?
< 1432504763 50098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so
< 1432504771 42984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd be moving to a higher energy state by doing so
< 1432504788 992345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big question is whether protons decay at any time scale
< 1432504827 719238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm let me find that wikipedia page again
< 1432504951 535192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, in fact if a neutron in iron-56 turned into a proton it'd just decay straight back into a neutron
< 1432505018 833682 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense.
< 1432505082 488617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe#Future_without_proton_decay
< 1432505092 854959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some weird stuff
< 1432505195 994407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, remaining matter will first turn into iron, then into black holes
< 1432505356 152992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice time range there, "10^(10^26) to 10^(10^76) years". Really narrows it down.
< 1432505978 363656 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Read error: No route to host
< 1432505981 166591 :atriq!9020b274@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.178.116 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1432506130 210190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :loader's number of years
< 1432506152 88896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if loader's number is bigger than TREE(3). probably not
< 1432506379 571696 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1432507103 568088 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://googology.wikia.com/wiki/Loader%27s_number - it's bigger than TREE(3).
< 1432507182 583335 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that D(1000000) is smaller than TREE(3) for reasons of proof strength.
< 1432507280 904869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TREE sequence is uncomputably fast-growing, which is what throws me
< 1432507327 961716 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it uncomputable?
< 1432507369 478933 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432507383 402733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly remembered it being so, but looking now i can't find anywhere that actually says so
< 1432507453 7205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The growth rate of D(n) corresponds to the proof-theoretic ordinal of higher order logic. This is much, much larger than any computable ordinal notation has reached" dear god
< 1432507870 312510 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432509474 944064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found another bug in my RDF Turtle parser and now I have fixed it. It wouldn't accept the words "true" and "false" if immediately followed by a full stop without a space in between.
< 1432509557 126277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because in the parse_prefix function I wrote:    if(ind && buf[ind-1]=='.') { buf[ind-1]=0; pushchar(cur,'.'); }    but it is supposed to be:    if(ind && buf[ind-1]=='.') { buf[--ind]=0; pushchar(cur,'.'); }
< 1432509781 695254 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if we put the hammer in an elevator...
< 1432510470 24767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What hammer?
< 1432510498 865127 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thor's <.<
< 1432510740 56248 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp, I'm gonna stop training the neural net. It's already producing some pretty nice results.
< 1432510753 663252 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't feel like cooking my laptop any more.
< 1432510783 163682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it is if you are going to put Thor's hammer in the elevator.
< 1432510855 623196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432510880 257278 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a quote from the latest avengers movie...
< 1432510911 824208 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:22:45:  `` sed 's/^^-c:'
< 1432510912 9492 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:22:45:  ​[U+0640 ARABIC LETTER U] [U+A664 FULLY SIGN] [U+20CE LEGSGRAPE]
< 1432510970 840578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that's uninitialized memory, it's lucky that it picked a couple of Unicode characters with such silly names
< 1432511258 639563 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:27:51:  `run perl -e '(':|' \ $_...
< 1432511258 861699 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:24:02:  ​[U+FEFE DONTINUALAY CURSERENT THIS ALE CAVOIG THINK
< 1432511258 861792 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:30:38:  Anyway, anyway
< 1432511288 219216 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, I'm gonna paste this stuff.
< 1432511297 601665 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone got a pastebin handy which wraps lines when displaying them?
< 1432511379 721998 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rjpemitdcoctumpw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1432511500 363189 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, a place where I can permanently host a 100 kilobyte text file?
< 1432511535 699836 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe gist will do the trick.
< 1432511855 187285 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, here it is:
< 1432511856 33910 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.githubusercontent.com/tswett/2a5baafbb3807be9ff09/raw/a04903833ab54f043b22030d56d20b47d87b57a1/Random+%23esoteric%20logs
< 1432512160 839754 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432512373 97690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1432512782 398687 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RLS14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43041&oldid=43026 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+4) 10
< 1432512810 544448 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, I love this link:
< 1432512811 674689 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_File:Turtiously-proved-several-age-metro-strategies-seems
< 1432513180 899283 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432513427 565916 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong link?
< 1432513508 84315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link is no good, but, that is what it is.
< 1432513655 986860 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sfqbkvjndtiyjyix JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432513705 657924 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link doesn't point to anything; I just found the link itself to be funny.
< 1432513844 947994 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I set the neural net's "temperature" setting very low, the output consists almost exclusively of endless monologues delivered by oerjan to int-e.
< 1432513853 428166 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/VyqZex/raw   i just finished writing this, it's the grammar for a simple shell and an example of the generated AST
< 1432513854 500695 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432513864 249432 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The monologues are nonsensical and very repetitive.
< 1432513873 26336 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i don't know what it's a bug in the same particles, but it's all the same as a subset of the same thing is that it's all the same way to do it with the same as a subset of the same problem"
< 1432513880 439145 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's a subset of the same thing is that it's a bit more often to say that it's a bit of the same as the same as a subset of the same particles are the same as a subset of the same thing"
< 1432513891 394955 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432513897 669828 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it looks nice, just wanted to share...
< 1432513901 897089 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i don't know what i was thinking of any of the same things in the same particles with the same thing is that they're not a bit more than the same as a subset of the same sequence of the same problem"
< 1432513904 835387 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the idea.
< 1432513972 987333 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, according to this neural net, that is what the very essence of #esoteric is: oerjan telling int-e about computer science.
< 1432514022 715023 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, occasionally oerjan's monologue is interrupted by this:
< 1432514024 595297 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:16:44:  `run echo '99'
< 1432514024 771067 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:16:48:  ​09let: 04Welcome 07to  5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+1) 10
< 1432514035 574058 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exchange is always exactly the same, as far as I can see.
< 1432514057 862283 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.153.201 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432514059 841153 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :let Welcome to SuperJedi224
< 1432514166 585651 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's sort of an avergae of Hackego's Welcome message and its wiki change message
< 1432514175 59611 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For extremely low temperatures, the output just consists of this line repeated over and over:
< 1432514175 714309 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:16:48:  int-e: i'm not sure what i'm working on the same particles are something like that.
< 1432514276 580086 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan: are you sure what you're working on the same particles yet?
< 1432514292 485885 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot like that xkcd comic that predicts that in the year 2109, all English text will consist entirely of the word "sustainable" repeated some number of times.
< 1432514503 123875 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's sure not sustainable
< 1432514618 510131 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, no, no it isn't.
< 1432517330 659643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I made up the syntax highlighting program language now; now I can try to make up the program using it.
< 1432518797 38498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I tried to make the program (I have not tested it because I have no implementation). Do you like this kind of syntax highlighters?   http://sprunge.us/deXP 
< 1432519041 250740 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really weird randomly generated URL:
< 1432519042 820706 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slereah______________________________________________________>_________________________________________________________________________________).html
< 1432519060 460414 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :______________
< 1432519090 58912 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently, a url with a 
< 1432519111 850831 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ is most likely to be followed by anothir _
< 1432519232 105296 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wait, this a neural netowrk
< 1432519388 866478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand my program at all? Some syntax highlighting packages I am not so sure is even capable of syntax highlighting IRC.
< 1432519453 827173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else also posted something on here, and there is also GeSHi and a few others but some looks capable, some looks not, as far as I can tell (I might be wrong though).
< 1432519681 15055 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1432519718 622456 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm training the neural net on one single version of the Agora Nomic Full Logical Ruleset.
< 1432519754 45970 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, I'm told, is extremely small as far as RNN training data sets go.
< 1432520503 430877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this going to be some sort of neural network vs. markov chain competition?
< 1432520514 447833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could try it on the entire Agora email archives
< 1432520579 409595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely ponders why, when defining tuples in terms of pairs, people tend to use the right-associative definition

< 1432520584 102520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. (x, y, z) = (x, (y, z))
< 1432520812 953753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Konversation's "are you sure you want to close this query" confirmation has a "cancel" button and a "close" button, both with the same icon
< 1432520835 93289 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think expressions and phrases tend to be easier to understand when short components precede long components.
< 1432520870 769063 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, training using the default settings produced crappy results.
< 1432520893 95438 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example:
< 1432520911 82504 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Al nothing a rulent the Rules by ame to person the sutcoming with hoald exponted by the gromating be action of the rules entict of the required the intally [...]
< 1432520931 87874 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indentation and line length both seem essentially random.
< 1432520965 170296 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, indentation is six spaces more often than not. But lots of lines are indented much further for no apparent reason.
< 1432521014 659052 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I'm training again, with the number of passes through the ruleset set to 200 instead of 30, and with dropout turned on.
< 1432521378 395087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there is one notable difference to Markov chains there: all those nonwords are pronounceable
< 1432521381 435197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words
< 1432521383 892655 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cea
< 1432521387 879269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``words 20
< 1432521388 631068 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `words: not found
< 1432521391 770584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` words 20
< 1432521393 364270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imma ove lamodial mont rassemi distimed sulf londe vetarium sou's pecti fad pio stry febr eunece sixt imperpenical mon comegar
< 1432521412 790887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the Markov chain doesn't do too badly either
< 1432521447 851305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bleh I designed a new esolang in my head recently and now I can't remember how it worked
< 1432521464 493339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm, just complaining about it is bringing details bac
< 1432521465 879534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*back
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< 1432521789 439784 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of those, only "febr" is illegal.
< 1432521793 643340 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` words 20
< 1432521795 239197 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bract tendusta wrenterbe doubtil ilinquil scie gement groventi nishto ivilly zereolorv nit inte duper impan chab nellin don sation subcasli
< 1432521810 41150 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of those are legal.
< 1432521814 616575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"legal"?
< 1432521873 337342 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permitted by the English phonotactic rules.
< 1432521988 279112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wrenterbe" is not the sort of word someone would come up with for general usage
< 1432521998 395670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds more like the name of a village (but is misspelled for that purpose)
< 1432522024 610517 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 50
< 1432522026 109800 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chan rott cotf onnende cho godon natina char flemesta coneuted twe ecouu schue ker bouldj guld estex overna pate bra reinham fab subai vol chaftsma
< 1432522080 732188 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/words
< 1432522081 375719 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl \ use strict; use warnings; \ use v5.10; \ use open qw( :encoding(UTF-8) :std); \ use File::Basename 'dirname'; \ use Storable 'retrieve'; \ use List::Util qw(sum min); \ use Getopt::Long qw(:config gnu_getopt); \ BEGIN { \     eval { \         require Math::Random::MT::Perl; Math::Random::MT::Perl->import('rand'); \     }; \ #wa
< 1432522093 643700 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wc bin/words
< 1432522094 343291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 155  576 4624 bin/words
< 1432522103 86202 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1432522106 745864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does use open :std do?
< 1432522126 758843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, makes it affect stdin/stdout/stderr
< 1432522210 828900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I looked it up)
< 1432522223 550199 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can run the #esoteric neural net with a higher temperature and it'll generate a lot more pseudowords.
< 1432522359 469079 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Phone
< 1432522365 620413 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some examples: suball, le, vths, metaused, deflond, fraw, equalvy, screenshapi, whe, skeited, interrative, lense, postpism, tripools, autis, poverly, assalated, commriau
< 1432522383 803328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like "metaused"
< 1432522394 786694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume many/most of the words are real?
< 1432522412 991574 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1432522419 858073 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them, yeah.
< 1432522429 635632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, "lense" is pretty convincing as a real word even though it technically isn't
< 1432522436 198944 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An earlier version of the net produced the word "shitted", which I'm pretty sure has never been used in this channel.
< 1432522439 916822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually many of those words are really convincing
< 1432522444 979659 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, "lense" is a decently common misspelling.
< 1432522455 392516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a pity that `logs is broken
< 1432522456 957673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Lyka|Phone
< 1432522489 759429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Now it is in such channel (but, in quotation marks)
< 1432522511 45931 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I now must design the memory and disk access structure for fourfuck
< 1432522521 729535 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gist contains the word "interpretter". I wonder if it has learned that if a word ends in something like "et", you add something like "t" before adding a suffix.
< 1432522524 397657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1432522525 949112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was a common problem with `log
< 1432522533 679012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up inventing `pastlog to work around it
< 1432522558 573329 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The `log command would return the message in which it was invoked as one of the messages?
< 1432522650 753281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it'd return other people's `log commands looking for the same thing, commands where you typoed what you were looking for, that sort of thing
< 1432522654 188057 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :current idea has a file size in increments of 1 MiB
< 1432522673 201435 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More pseudowords generated by the net: althousless, literiates, gdeh, preventely, guant, pood, deepcian, duno, harmlefuck, dundefll, kno, intuinters, onter, waii, irall, namescp, cutts
< 1432522678 511211 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last three actually occur consecutively.
< 1432522682 934 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kkucqxasyvvhmdqd JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432522703 246904 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cat do this kind of 6800s. A graph 16 time-compositions specific maps?!S # is made first bugs that people write irall namescp cutts also recursively."
< 1432522727 33996 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that the neural net, when run at the default temperature of 1.0, makes just about as much sense as fungot.
< 1432522727 209619 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ( eb) at the specified cost is not aether. rules to submit an application to submit that judgement within a time limit.
< 1432522811 962170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot also has low-temperature modes though
< 1432522812 176144 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rule via the specified act and none of the
< 1432522818 534553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl
< 1432522818 710355 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
< 1432522825 229325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: give me something plausible-looking
< 1432522825 634216 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there is no question about it. the second point concerns transitional arrangements for finland, sweden and ireland can still use no more than repeat what has been the european union
< 1432522835 381183 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does a max file size of 64 GiB seem too small?
< 1432522855 619147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka|Phone: I thought you were designing this for very limited devices?
< 1432522874 595252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 GiB is the current size of the media I use for backups
< 1432522899 416576 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :limited devices with SD card readers
< 1432523019 291724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm
< 1432523019 702915 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :level 1: 16 bytes
< 1432523024 719926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea of a limited device is quite different
< 1432523038 770319 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :level 2: 256 bytes
< 1432523039 20403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smallest processors I've worked on had less than a kilobyte of read-write memory
< 1432523047 93931 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, SD cards are really, really cheap to drive.
< 1432523065 135134 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doing it on an arduino micro
< 1432523091 258889 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :28ish KiB flash
< 1432523105 993375 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 KiB ram
< 1432523149 288848 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly with an sdhc reader/writer connected
< 1432523212 186093 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't mind it being slow you can drive a SD card bitbanging with a couple of IO ports.
< 1432523221 194546 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so limited + up to 32 gib "disk" space
< 1432523233 921458 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an spi connection
< 1432523254 949240 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a device running at 16 MHz
< 1432523306 211131 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, I'm pretty sure you could quite reasonably drive an SD card from an NES's controller port.
< 1432523341 238943 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's 4 + power
< 1432523359 808160 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshapi should be an API for displaying images on non-rectangular or non-flat displays, while retaining their appearance as flat images
< 1432523366 272776 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a card select, data in, data out, and clock.
< 1432523373 51460 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1432523387 697579 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 wires
< 1432523404 942520 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(5v, 3.3v, ground)
< 1432523448 339407 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this particular sd card unit
< 1432523515 893508 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432523602 288641 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip: if you bite your laptop you can hear the quiter component of it
< 1432523675 83477 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptops aren't very tasty though
< 1432523723 885025 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try with an Apple laptop instead
< 1432523827 873420 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the interpreter, "cache" is 16 bytes, "tape" is 256 bytes, and (for this test) "cxarray" (read only memory in flash hard-coded into the arduino sketch) is 256 17-byte char strings, with the first 16 bytes readable.
< 1432523871 441739 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :the array is named cxarray[] for some reason I forgot
< 1432523916 285519 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just for the testing environment
< 1432524293 835141 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :A0F6XF32C301SOB1 outputs the 7th byte in the 50th cxarray string
< 1432524407 956072 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I do have a command list printout in front of me...
< 1432524608 736443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sempiedram 5*  10New user account
< 1432524751 810252 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :246 is stored to cache cell 0, string 50 gets stored in cells 240 to 255 of the tape, the tape cell whose cell number matches the contents of cache cell 0 is stored in cache cell 1, contents of cache cell 1 is outputted to terminal in byte form
< 1432524771 955694 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :A0F6XF32C301SOB1 means that
< 1432524836 72220 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense?
< 1432524953 432465 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "256*16=4096" true?
< 1432525034 918584 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, just checked on my phone)
< 1432525299 722539 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realized he bored everyone

< 1432526036 913393 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
< 1432526502 33608 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
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< 1432527124 569745 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Phone
< 1432527150 355612 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1432527245 724742 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432527388 919476 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all
< 1432527403 244446 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
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< 1432528833 804695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if it can work to do MIDI with RJ-45 connection if you have two ways and also power on one way? How good/badly it can work?
< 1432528843 792454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What speeds might you have?
< 1432530657 557731 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1432531421 432078 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.153.201 QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk
< 1432532584 284344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some purpose a function to convert singular to plural form is useful to have, but, you should not do it other way around because it cannot work, due to many plural words you cannot know what is the proper singular form out of context.
< 1432535483 329263 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432541174 310635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, correct
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< 1432546020 551650 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1432548075 292712 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: relcome
< 1432548076 302164 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: we are aware of what is coming down the line of the last few days alone, a long time with regard to cod is what we wanted the commission to look into how the policies of the uk. most of the amendments which the commission tries to explain on behalf of the council, that you need that money for just four days in strasbourg.
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< 1432548793 201118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Table14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43042 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+1502) 10Created page with "The '''Table programming language''' is an esoteric, declarative table-oriented programming language by [[User:Rdococ]] in which everything is an '''associative array,''' or '..."
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< 1432549085 373349 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1432549106 423483 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone help me to find the lowest computational class?
< 1432549199 355040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43043&oldid=42586 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+215) 10/* My esoteric programming languages */
< 1432549263 136111 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason I ask is, theoretically, if a finite state automata or decision tree could be infinitely large, it would be the same as a turing machine.
< 1432549291 674937 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432549468 92274 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what I found peculiar while thinking about infinite state machines is that, if you implement them right, you can solve the halting problem and be sure that it is turing complete too
< 1432549480 402934 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this really true?
< 1432549707 996900 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Table14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43044&oldid=43042 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+156) 10
< 1432550001 227629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432550124 829460 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432550194 511620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : When I set the neural net's "temperature" setting very low, the output consists almost exclusively of endless monologues delivered by oerjan to int-e. <-- i am going to assume this neural net gives a peek into a parallel universe where things are even more disturbing than in this one hth
< 1432550233 793094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i actually took over the world there.  poor parallel int-e.
< 1432550293 610922 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His Majesty Hellørjan.
< 1432550356 863154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boinister helloily
< 1432550385 762897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DID YOU NOT TELL ME THE PEASANTS WERE REVOLTING?
< 1432550395 560630 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1432550395 736400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1d 8h 58m 1s ago:  BLASPHEMY! there's a tvtropes fork? <-- there's a good argument that tvtropes has totally messed up a licensing change and is basically in massive copyright violation for everything before the change. also they deleted a lot of stuff for PC reasons. thus, forks. although i still visit tvtropes myself.
< 1432550401 69317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's why boily is no longer in the net output hth
< 1432550464 346857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone also pointed out they renamed a lot of the fun page titles to be boring.
< 1432550466 576961 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does some interpretative post-modern dance to explain everything, with lots of twirling, jumping and unusual wobbliness

< 1432550495 16531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well they didn't say exactly that, but it's what i remember)
< 1432550516 63872 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand forking that.
< 1432550549 775275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is slightly appeased but thinks boily has shown himself more suitable for a different job.  fooily.

< 1432550583 985014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ask Gregor for a suitable hat.
< 1432550675 875637 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grellogor. could I get a nice hat please?
< 1432550694 539612 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'faith)
< 1432550893 284052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :parallel oerjan seems to use "same" a lot.
< 1432551120 563241 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1432551339 263983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 * ais523 vaguely ponders why, when defining tuples in terms of pairs, people tend to use the right-associative definition <-- i'd assume it's because it's (1) most similar to lists (2) easier to index from the beginning
< 1432551339 439688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432551639 36107 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432551808 374734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1432552661 898598 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it's because of currying
< 1432552696 443265 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as in, in haskell, a tuple (a,b,c) is represented as ((,,) a b c) which is like ((((,,) a) b) c)
< 1432552703 614439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1432552709 429611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that the opposite associativity actually?
< 1432552733 273169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that it actually matters eventually)
< 1432552765 508306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks opposite
< 1432552773 164339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1432552891 455528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no, it can be read either way, dependent on how you split it
< 1432553071 789399 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MOTTLED CHICKEN
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< 1432553182 567852 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432553183 255508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1432554639 148448 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
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< 1432554781 721950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432554783 623805 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432554821 72460 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the 2015 icfp contest is now announced
< 1432554868 473198 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at http://icfpcontest.org/ , starts on 2015-08-07
< 1432554891 361179 :nszceta!~nszceta@82-204-29-31.dsl.bbeyond.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432554925 785849 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have a teaser
< 1432554979 696153 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, where is the teaser?
< 1432554986 168619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :linked from that page
< 1432555032 937753 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1432555035 509142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea if today's xkcd has a point.  maybe he should go to explain xkcd.

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< 1432555891 370363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no, it doesn't have a point
< 1432555900 229256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a tree of notable people with similar names
< 1432555921 903998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually is the only point to it
< 1432556726 494664 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1432556935 509306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wonder whether any DNA ancestor analysis (what's the proper term for this?) played into that xkcd.
< 1432556992 321079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i have my doubts he got the DNA for some of these hth
< 1432557053 410616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do the same thing with strings.
< 1432557065 616032 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose)
< 1432557129 105968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :genes are so stringly typed
< 1432557162 892633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now suddenly imagines aliens with statically typed dna

< 1432557228 209890 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks oerjan may be mixing up xkcd and a previous ICFP. (was Endo typed?)

< 1432557249 98875 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ICFP/ICFP contest/
< 1432557280 605265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm today's girl genius expands my idea of how big the wulfenbach empire is.  especially since i thought it had much collapsed during the time skip...
< 1432557324 391438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm far too lazy to have been reading ICFP contests that closely
< 1432557362 684862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also, monologue monologue the same as the monologue hth
< 1432557448 964091 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the monologue remark.
< 1432557469 939618 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, where's 2014 icfp site hosted now? 
< 1432557480 137571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2015 site continues the bad tradition of not bothering to link to previous years
< 1432557503 697429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(years before that are at http://icfpc2013.cloudapp.net/ http://icfpcontest2012.wordpress.com/ http://icfpcontest2012.wordpress.com/previous-contests/
< 1432557507 203781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1432557972 806060 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could ask dcoutts.
< 1432557997 595044 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://icfpconference.org/icfp2014/ <-- see the Programming Contest Co-Chairs
< 1432558031 711192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1432559571 196228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fucking brilliant
< 1432559583 18056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube are making their interface even clumsier
< 1432559618 916858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :again?
< 1432559887 676053 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.153.201 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432560246 962544 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432560548 257256 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1432560563 123530 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the new interface but they did fix a few glitches in the process
< 1432560572 505628 :nszceta!~nszceta@82-204-29-31.dsl.bbeyond.nl QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1432560727 584925 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1432560807 638564 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432562047 223081 :impomatic_!~digital_w@31.185.153.201 QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk
< 1432563308 517503 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a new interface
< 1432563745 539266 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, on cell phones
< 1432564333 120770 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka
< 1432564351 656354 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/fourfuck%20language/Fourfuck%20v0-pre-alpha-0003a2%20-%20Command%20List.pdf
< 1432564379 511785 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432564412 709951 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the most recent attempt at a command list
< 1432564612 462761 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :seem usable yet?
< 1432564672 881561 :nszceta!~nszceta@3E91CA66.cm-13.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432564753 855316 :nszceta_!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432564781 187474 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this means I'll eventually time travel to become Taneb.
< 1432564797 276145 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1432564805 388220 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm scrolled up more than I thought, and missed that when it happened earlier.
< 1432564806 618559 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, I do not think that you will
< 1432564824 191464 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember being you
< 1432564868 785732 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty good evidence, but I don't entirely put it past future me to mess with my own memory for stupid reasons.
< 1432564912 770405 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like maybe avoiding time travel police who'd recognize be by who I think I am.
< 1432564961 835348 :nszceta!~nszceta@3E91CA66.cm-13.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1432565030 942938 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, like in that book?
< 1432565076 161024 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There probably is a book with that in it.
< 1432565080 986242 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All You Zombies" I was thinking of
< 1432565139 463820 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432568134 216687 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432568259 23306 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1432568843 716743 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, I ought to go read that.
< 1432568879 255288 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :#Stores 16 charachers in "tape" and then outputs them. Uses 5 cells in "cache". 
< 1432568882 235061 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :!A001A100A210C013[23_SIB4C243+303]23_C013[23_C634SOB4+303]23_Q000@
< 1432568886 138964 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :make any sense?
< 1432569993 799062 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1432570479 453165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1432570940 546833 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, they made a movie of it recently
< 1432570945 110714 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Predestination"
< 1432572346 916711 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432573591 817361 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432574157 449163 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki is down
< 1432574232 581134 :hilquias!~user@187.113.114.58 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432574252 329077 :hilquias!~user@187.113.114.58 QUIT :Changing host
< 1432574252 524833 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432574311 240260 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping
< 1432574313 518268 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1432574322 807940 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hackego is still up? madness
< 1432574418 287323 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dns problem, perhaps?
< 1432574462 232241 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried whoising hackego and then putting that IP into seamonkey but it just returns a blank page
< 1432574523 492558 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also hackego is accessing irc thru lithuania
< 1432574788 462431 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :162.248.166.242 esolangs.org www.esolangs.org
< 1432574799 857421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for me (tm)
< 1432574933 251232 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org is giving me
< 1432574935 582988 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTICE: This domain name expired on 2015-05-24 and is pending renewal or deletion.
< 1432574959 608527 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1432575044 362460 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yes. what I meant is that adding that line to /etc/hosts works for me.
< 1432575145 561163 :teuchter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-hmpqipgrcrcmccfe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432575225 904807 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn
< 1432575277 339233 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it appears to be one of those namevirtualhosts thingies, so http://162.248.166.242/ doesn't work.
< 1432575280 330870 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1432575353 664868 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-frmjwxvvsyavwzmv QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1432575423 856024 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :John Nash's beautiful mind has reached its final equilibrium | The Collatz files | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | no http://esolangs.org/ :-(
< 1432576112 58404 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is anyone mailing alan about his plans for the domain?
< 1432576431 947401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably try.
< 1432576448 998098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've sent some mails when rejiggeding the DNSes to point at the new thing.
< 1432576567 669360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, a whois check says it was just updated for a year.
< 1432576584 575383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creation Date: 2005-05-24T19:21:16Z
< 1432576584 807536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updated Date: 2015-05-25T11:25:26Z
< 1432576584 807681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Registry Expiry Date: 2016-05-24T19:21:16Z
< 1432576596 832967 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems updated
< 1432576624 913894 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... it may sometimes take 24 hrs until the domain provider updates its records
< 1432576628 780549 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domain Status: autoRenewPeriod -- http://www.icann.org/epp#autoRenewPeriod
< 1432576652 145606 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I understand matters... as long as it says this it's expired.
< 1432576678 576689 :Xion_!~xion@c-73-170-208-233.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432576689 540533 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and godaddy will want to have some extortion money for reclaiming the domain :-/ ... but still far less than a domain grabber would take)
< 1432576742 469138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I was under the impression registrars didn't charge any extra fees for renewing during the grace period. Then again, I haven't let any domains relapse.
< 1432576768 635332 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither have I.
< 1432576775 642049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I'm not clear on whether that status bit gets cleared if it gets renewed.)
< 1432576799 544594 :Xion_!~xion@c-73-170-208-233.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PART :#esoteric
< 1432576808 457281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have registered another domain that had expired, and I remember waiting for it to actually be released to save costs. But this may have been past the grace period, I forgot.
< 1432576834 378634 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, the name server entries are wrong.
< 1432576849 534268 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meaning they're not what we need)
< 1432576955 826484 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1432576959 596294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I'll email Alan in any case, even though it might be just delay in those changing.
< 1432576986 258690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, do you happen to know offhand some non-expired registered-at-GoDaddy domain I could compare the whois records to?
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< 1432577022 592997 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :editing /etc/hosts doesn't seem to do it. hmmmm.....
< 1432577028 343155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432577060 519467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: you may have to restart the browser
< 1432577188 850550 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely
< 1432577212 365212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent an email.
< 1432577258 593860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For many domain name extensions (such as .com, .net, and .org) there is a grace period allowing you to renew the domain name after expiration without penalty. After the grace period for these extensions, you must pay a redemption fee plus the cost of regular renewal if you want to keep the domain name."
< 1432577275 664133 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not auto-renew
< 1432577322 691640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's more of a question for Alan.
< 1432577340 658818 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he wants to get rid of it, lost interest, etc
< 1432577376 843464 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf /
< 1432577379 315816 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1432577420 514680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how much my email helps, since he's sure to have gotten an email about it already.
< 1432577443 69537 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll see
< 1432577585 72285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1432577607 726604 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, in the case that he lost interest, he might still care enough to initiate some domain transfer. If it's about money, I'm sure we can all chip in somehow. So let's see.
< 1432577654 28341 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe he just forgot to renew :)
< 1432577661 544585 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe :)
< 1432577674 184630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it was set on auto-renew and the card expired. There's so many possibilities.
< 1432577684 396451 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in the meantime, thanks
< 1432577741 53544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the money, apparently there's no extra fee for GoDaddy up until the 19th day after expiration. After that, there's a $80 redemption fee, and from day 25 to day 42 a complicated-looking set of "expired domain auctions", "backorders" and "closeout auctions".
< 1432577754 521584 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely
< 1432577907 761612 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432577908 305846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's alan anyway
< 1432577934 40125 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person who registered esolangs.org
< 1432577940 515512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it graue?
< 1432578208 709860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile-meanwhile, you can try a backup address http://esolangs.zem.fi/ -- though it may take a while for *that* to reach the DNS servers, and the SSL certificate will have the wrong name so no HTTPS (at least without nasty warnings).
< 1432578263 633179 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :John Nash's beautiful mind has reached its final equilibrium | The Collatz files | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | no http://esolangs.org/ ; try http://esolangs.zem.fi/
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< 1432578984 507607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432579902 175871 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works
< 1432579998 114287 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fourfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.zem.fi/w/index.php?diff=43045&oldid=43039 5* 0378.245.243.132 5* (+1965) 10formatting help!!
< 1432580068 48092 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fourfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.zem.fi/w/index.php?diff=43046&oldid=43045 5* 0378.245.243.132 5* (+19) 10category: stubs
< 1432580227 532927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fourfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.zem.fi/w/index.php?diff=43047&oldid=43046 5* 0378.245.243.132 5* (-9) 10stubs using the {{ }} thingy
< 1432580610 179818 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1432582148 702931 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone used Picat for anything?
< 1432582192 807517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what it is
< 1432582216 802065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now I found it on Wikipedia.
< 1432583583 443162 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432584182 762348 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432584614 420823 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
< 1432585348 650967 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-lvwaaffnkrefsvfl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1432589535 607938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The domain is now allegedly renewed, so things should return to normal.
< 1432589931 510138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a suggestion for someone else "active in the community" to take it. And/or me, although I certainly don't feel especially "active".
< 1432589957 224017 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1432589957 952664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the Alan Dipert?
< 1432589978 243805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1432589995 768904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression he didn't want to give it up, but maybe times have changed.
< 1432590030 357542 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :これは動くかな？
< 1432590063 348466 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :W007. it didn't work with urxvt
< 1432590389 544307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is alan dipert graue
< 1432590391 659137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so confused
< 1432590406 353853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so? The mythology is kind of confusing.
< 1432590488 267246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the alan dipert owns the domain name "esolangs.org"; graue owns the domain name and server "esoteric.voxelperfect.net"
< 1432590503 550892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'the' alan dipert?
< 1432590517 595846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the early quotes about the name have a "the" prepended
< 1432590520 675235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've been using it ever since
< 1432590523 144325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly just for fun
< 1432590536 782177 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been called "a Sgeo" once
< 1432590545 378513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name comes up rarely enough that it's jarring whenever I say it
< 1432590559 288650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think in context it made grammatical sense?
< 1432590563 265405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought it was like "von" in German etc.
< 1432590583 600308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess that doesn't make sense, it's in front of the first name.
< 1432590599 944185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some sort of a title then.
< 1432590601 344695 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creaturesonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=364
< 1432590608 952604 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apparently there was a patch made by a Sgeo once upon a time, but I can't find it. - See more at: http://creaturesonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=364#sthash.ES3upSBL.dpuf"
< 1432590618 364382 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh ugh copy/paste gunk
< 1432590632 42796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: we still have the candelabrum underwater patch in NH4 :-)
< 1432590642 587935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cool :)
< 1432590646 306379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, you're credited as "Sgeo"
< 1432590653 482571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you happy with that credit or would you prefer something else?
< 1432590697 259491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm not sure. Would '"Sgeo" (Seth Gold)' make sense?
< 1432590734 339871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly use either realname or nick; most people use realname
< 1432590752 432711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, imho Seth 'Sgeo' Gold is the better format to use there
< 1432590768 820473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate that format ;-)
< 1432590780 13721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nobody credited by both realname and nick atm (except possibly by mistake)
< 1432590786 518751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ais but you also voted lib dem
< 1432590791 671668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I didn't
< 1432590794 519634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1432590795 2051 :nszceta_!~nszceta@37.48.80.171 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432590804 233790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to vote lib dem 5 years ago but there was a screwup
< 1432590808 303484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did at some point, i-- right
< 1432590809 581430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the proxy vote forms
< 1432590817 966173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was in Canada at the time, making it hard to vote in person)
< 1432590830 745494 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or indeed by post.
< 1432590974 474874 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1432590995 491939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time round I voted for the Conservatives because they were the only viable party a) in favour of austerity, b) that I thought had even vaguely realistic plans to implement it
< 1432591008 139913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not for the economy I'd probably have voted Green
< 1432591018 302866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you're actually in favour of austerity? why?
< 1432591036 180363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432591036 499490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :every economist i've seen has said it was a terrible, growth-killing idea
< 1432591049 670594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well you can't keep growth up indefinitely
< 1432591064 589787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :growth is only good for its benefits to quality of life
< 1432591076 887942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all other ways, it hurts rather than helps, because you're using up more resources
< 1432591081 986531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you voted for the tories because you thought they'd benefit the quality of life
< 1432591086 829149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, that's bullshit
< 1432591105 253847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vast majority of recent economic growth has been due to increases in efficiency, not increases in consumption
< 1432591155 276932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I voted for them because I didn't trust any other viable option to run the economy
< 1432591172 496664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(however, my vote didn't decide the result in my constituency, so…)
< 1432591222 777504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm upset because the Conservatives got more of a majority than I wanted
< 1432591232 76929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping that there'd be random rebellions and the like to keep them in check
< 1432591246 793051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was really hoping for a Conservative/Labour coalition, but no way will that happen in anything even approximately resembling the current political client)
< 1432591270 957127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1432591289 810687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: feel free to disagree with me
< 1432591302 478846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was such a hard choice to make this year, I didn't really like any of the parties :-(
< 1432591306 704445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i can't actually draw any general conclusions about why anyone would think it's a good idea to vote for them, because you do everything by your own weird logic
< 1432591362 399317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, enough of the country voted Conservative to give them a majority, and I think it's mostly to do with the lack of options
< 1432591374 58091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially if you define "the country" as "England" rather than "the UK")
< 1432591389 197586 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK has a the?
< 1432591402 693592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"
< 1432591408 894458 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see why english voters thought labour weren't an option, though i think their reasons for doing so were completely misguided
< 1432591409 592212 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right
< 1432591413 769737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't quite accurate because it misses out places like Anglesey and the Hebrides, but it's close enough
< 1432591431 918535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think many of them did so as an ideological stance against economic growth, though...
< 1432591444 920328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's basically reached the point where even if you agreed with every one of their policies, you don't trust them to implement them
< 1432591482 821139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less. i voted for them anyway because it seemed like the best trajectory towards things becoming less shit
< 1432591513 658090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a hard place for Labour to be in because it's hard to think of anything they could say to solve that problem
< 1432591526 563569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are things in a bad way in Scotland atm? if so, it'd explain the near-universal SNP vote
< 1432591546 72802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't obviously doing badly in England (e.g. unemployment has been dropping)
< 1432591568 311686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the tories created a bunch of fake jobs, essentially. but i digress.
< 1432591594 15004 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the snp has been in government in scotland for like 8 years so that's not why they did so well
< 1432591608 18573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did pretty badly at Westminster last election, though
< 1432591618 926532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this time they've basically swapped places with the Lib Dems
< 1432591631 34392 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they've basically been choosing their battles
< 1432591633 117821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind-of surprising given how they're restricted to a relatively small-by-population part of the country
< 1432591679 857119 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they focused on the scottish parliament until they managed to get a majority (despite the system being designed to prevent any one party doing so), then they went for the referendum, and after that they focused on westminster
< 1432591704 262322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they lost the referendum
< 1432591717 38094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, with 45% of the vote.
< 1432591722 915811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :45% in fptp is a landslide
< 1432591723 681485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is probably indirectly a good thing from my point of view, because I'm counting on Scotland to swing the EU referendum to "stay in")
< 1432591733 518925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there were /two options/
< 1432591737 825952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :55% is an even bigger landslide
< 1432591751 658169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the 45% probably voted SNP
< 1432591759 535962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 55% were split between the other 3 parties
< 1432591764 219002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's an interesting theory
< 1432591789 400781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problems with it are: a) there's only two constituencies in Scotland who ever vote Conservative (and one of them did so this time); b) the Lib Dems have completely collapsed
< 1432591792 333936 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scotland thing reminded me of quebec
< 1432591794 345833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are the other options?
< 1432591796 838837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Labour, I'll buy you
< 1432591803 510881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I'll buy it
< 1432591813 828492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the other minor options? UKIP? Green?
< 1432591838 769910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, it's fptp
< 1432591856 706661 :alandipert!~alandiper@fry.telavant.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alan dipert here, apologies for my delinquency
< 1432591865 844173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi alandipert
< 1432591869 861677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know you used IRC
< 1432591873 464447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :scotland might have almost no tory seats, and now almost no lib dem ones, but they're still a substantial fraction of the vote
< 1432591874 683414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad to meet you, anyway; I never have
< 1432591906 450447 :alandipert!~alandiper@fry.telavant.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, likewise!
< 1432591911 496385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to work out if you can make politics into an esolang
< 1432591943 293958 :alandipert!~alandiper@fry.telavant.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apropos: previous conversation i'm happy to relinquish the domain to anyone willing to manage it
< 1432591959 107253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :alandipert, so... who actually are you
< 1432591977 355824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: alandipert is the owner of esolangs.org (the domain name)
< 1432591991 91255 :alandipert!~alandiper@fry.telavant.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, the inventor of bitcoin
< 1432592017 417511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're satoshi why have you not just bought all the websites with your bitcoin fortune
< 1432592025 124497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: maybe he or she /has/
< 1432592035 259475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do host the DNS servers for the domain, so in some ways it would make sense to control the domain, so I wouldn't need to ask anyone if I need to point it at a different nameserver or something.
< 1432592037 971443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("alan" might be a male name, but I have no idea about "satoshi"
< 1432592039 510071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1432592162 974074 :alandipert!~alandiper@fry.telavant.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a sound idea
< 1432592178 807507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, I have /something/ of an idea because I've seen a bunch of Japanese names, but not enough to definitively draw patterns in them
< 1432592235 228099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so sure I like the aspect of paying for it all that much, though, but maybe I can scam some channel regulars to chip in. Also, I'd need to locate a sane domain registrar first. (gandi's the only one I've heard more than one person recommend, but they have a -- trivial, but still -- premium in their prices.)
< 1432592246 577817 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :satoshi  is generally a male name
< 1432592247 559580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Maybe because, they don't want to, or because they don't accept bitcoins, or even all of a lot isn't quite enough, or they don't have any bitcoins left, or possibly different reason.
< 1432592381 840164 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432592407 148010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boinuitly
< 1432592442 263606 :alandipert!~alandiper@fry.telavant.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, i'm off, drop me a line if you'd like to work out a transfer. we have a year to figure something out :-)
< 1432592445 848707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :alandipert: I'll e-mail you once I've thought it over and looked for a domain place.
< 1432592542 291636 :alandipert!~alandiper@fry.telavant.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sounds good, cya
< 1432592572 894683 :alandipert!~alandiper@fry.telavant.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, if anyone is interested, this is a clojure version of 99 bottles: https://gist.github.com/alandipert/1795629
< 1432592739 437361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :alandipert, how did you end up with the esolangs.org domain anyway
< 1432592775 589779 :alandipert!~alandiper@fry.telavant.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i registered it 10 years ago
< 1432592824 116106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also whoah, stop the press
< 1432592840 190300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actually can isometrically embed the torus into R^3
< 1432592848 374313 :alandipert!~alandiper@fry.telavant.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1432592918 345134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://math.univ-lyon1.fr/~borrelli/Hevea/Presse/image_tore_PNAS_reduite.jpg
< 1432592921 259615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban this sick filth
< 1432592944 510749 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boerjanne nuit!
< 1432593151 890674 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it is like an accordion
< 1432593155 810757 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1432593177 61043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hm slightly different definition of isometric than i'd immediately think of
< 1432593270 548161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now is that embedding smooth
< 1432593337 866241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it cannot be, as fractal as it looks
< 1432593346 492494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's its hausdorff dimension
< 1432593388 46028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, today is a public holiday in the US and UK at the same time, for different reasons?
< 1432593392 972796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often does /that/ happen?
< 1432593413 814925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today, as may 25?
< 1432593425 135530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1432593434 777867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ?
< 1432593457 688208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in which case it's also a public holiday in norway)
< 1432593470 419983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monday May 25, yes
< 1432593484 270554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK it's triggering under a "last Monday in May" clause, I think
< 1432593499 694633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have some public holidays designed to create long weekends that statistically have nice weather
< 1432593501 403010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norway it's triggering as the monday following pentecost
< 1432593503 448292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is one of htem
< 1432593518 525001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so _three_ different reasons :)
< 1432593643 356096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and none of them guaranteed to be simultaneous in a random year afaict
< 1432593671 500549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait maybe the uk and us ones are
< 1432593712 67710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432593731 333792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems they are both always the last monday in may
< 1432593768 524464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1432593847 294235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote many calendar operation programming in TeX; if you have stuff about holidays to contribute I can add that too
< 1432594080 48942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have program to calculate Easter and leap years, and I have Julian, Gregorian, and Discordan calendars, and names of months and days of week in many languages (including the names used in the calendar included with Zork), many Canadian holidays, a few US holidays, and one Japanese holiday.
< 1432594085 256577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think norway has any official holidays of the "nth ...day in " kind, although mother's and father's day are unofficial ones
< 1432594115 893468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even christmas?
< 1432594118 968729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe election day, although that's not really a holiday either
< 1432594143 343355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ...day is supposed to stand in for a weekday there
< 1432594154 754275 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1432594249 263274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have support for such things as "first Monday of February", "the last Tuesday before the last Tuesday of March", "the next Sunday after January 15", and so on.
< 1432594270 370444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No support for equinoxes and solstices yet though, nor for phases of the moon.
< 1432594461 135806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's no "nth" in the election day, it's a monday in september but which one is decided by the government
< 1432594667 747091 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432594967 424566 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1432595223 669978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is alan dipert graue <-- no, graue's real name is scott
< 1432595243 801424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds familiar
< 1432595259 326998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is surname is feeney, not aaronson hth
< 1432595261 932353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*his
< 1432595657 699353 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432596730 222905 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-186-172.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: sleep
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< 1432597796 523731 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka
< 1432597810 5164 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :3hi
< 1432597821 703924 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki seems alitte weird
< 1432598067 226979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432598173 73239 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Fourfuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.zem.fi/w/index.php?oldid=43048 5* 03Lesidhetree 5* (+281) 10Created page with "Not sure who edited the main page, not that i don't appreciate the formatting help, but Fourfuck is not yet finalized enough for some of that. I'll make an attempt to fill in ..."
< 1432598261 883119 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a problem with the wiki's server?
< 1432598287 755120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: the domain name temporarily expired, it should fix itself soon
< 1432598309 217620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1432598315 229217 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how ami able to access the site?
< 1432598327 979175 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432598335 794116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it may have been fixed already.  i think there's something else...
< 1432598345 386166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the wiki seems to be missing CSS...
< 1432598367 584575 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.zem.fi/wiki/Main_Page seems to look better..
< 1432598427 577157 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is 78.245.243.132?
< 1432598436 49084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.zem.fi is a temporary domain name fizzie set up
< 1432598506 577490 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's Koen
< 1432598544 341820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does he manage to use an IP which doesn't exist...
< 1432598686 879547 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's Koen in IRC?
< 1432598688 176944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie whatever you did to make esolangs.zem.fi work has made esolangs.org partly broken
< 1432598688 362645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432598701 317332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: Koen_ usually, but he's not always here
< 1432598725 187437 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432598734 763450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusingly, Koen without _ is someone else iirc
< 1432598792 566915 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432598841 711482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie e.g. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges has stylesheet links mentioning //esolangs.zem.fi/
< 1432598841 896716 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432598872 352095 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Lesidhetree14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.zem.fi/w/index.php?oldid=43049 5* 03Lesidhetree 5* (+79) 10Little crappy intro
< 1432599441 990211 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplest "Cat" Program I can think of, terminating on Ctrl-@ (aka NUL): !A000SIB1[01_SOB1SIB1]01_Q000@
< 1432599655 177189 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think equivalent to void main(){char a=0,b; b=getc(); while(a != b){ putc(b) ; getc(b); } }
< 1432599671 777639 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming i used getc() and putc() right
< 1432599692 755265 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1432599705 949072 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :void main(){char a=0,b; b=getc(); while(a != b){ putc(b) ; b=getc(); } }
< 1432599768 331889 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a bowl of ice cubes a good heat sink?
< 1432599870 846330 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Fourfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.zem.fi/w/index.php?diff=43050&oldid=43048 5* 03Lesidhetree 5* (+176) 10added a little disclaimer
< 1432599894 470921 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're trying to charge an old laptop without overheating it
< 1432599894 656125 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1432599915 776202 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: int main()
< 1432599921 935562 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1432599939 284978 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(){char a=0,b; b=getc(); while(a != b){ putc(b) ; b=getc(); } return 0;}
< 1432600025 727454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Z
< 1432600156 629557 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have a metal bowl filled with ice cubes on top of the charger brick
< 1432600306 131819 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you guess what this does? ![00=]00=Q000@
< 1432600334 232826 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :loops infinitly?
< 1432600344 757986 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it that obvious?
< 1432600375 768720 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you guess what this does? ![00=SIB1SOB1]00=Q000@
< 1432600379 500116 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well [00= means while(c1 == c1)
< 1432600385 370202 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :er c0
< 1432600395 50113 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :c[0]
< 1432600399 921265 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1432600413 726988 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a cat program 
< 1432600431 222848 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :that runs forever
< 1432600445 153620 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From my working memory of your language's spec)
< 1432600478 105098 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/fourfuck%20language/Fourfuck%20v0.0-pre_alpha-0003b.pdf
< 1432600510 231689 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have that in front of me
< 1432600610 282589 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :it an now run commands stored in memory
< 1432600617 747197 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can now
< 1432600712 83670 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i have not yet debugged it
< 1432601079 485413 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :!A000A101A20DSIB2[02_SIB3SOB3+010]02_Q000@Hello, World!
< 1432601089 987319 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that cheating?
< 1432601459 422390 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :!A000T0D0A000T3D0Q000@Hello, World!
< 1432601816 300087 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine... !A048A165A26cA36cA46fA52cA620A757A86fA972AA6cAB64AC21AD00AE01AF0D[DF /047%746+366SOB6 |000 }000 %046+366SOB6 P0A0 +010]03< Q000 @
< 1432609109 256855 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: URIs are fairly simple to parse and quite well supported. (though for identifying properties a URN might be more appropriate)
< 1432609118 976821 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So yes, that overall makes sense.
< 1432609201 104804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a MAC address but no domain name or permanent IP address or anything like that, you can still generate a UUID.
< 1432609260 548864 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes that, not only does fourfuck no longer have anything to do with brainfuck, it may soon have 7 or 8 character command/argument blocks, as the arduino is a 16-bit environment

< 1432609283 727753 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: An RNG will also suffice.
< 1432609308 896444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that also works, but not as good in my opinion.
< 1432609325 407816 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much for the name of my anguage meaning anything...
< 1432609364 289639 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankly an RNG isn't at all worrying -- 122 actually random bits are basically *not* going to collide.
< 1432610022 608030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make up the Magic: the Gathering card like Notion Thief but reversed, should power/toughness/cost be changed a bit?
< 1432610188 352926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Fourfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.zem.fi/w/index.php?diff=43051&oldid=43050 5* 03Lesidhetree 5* (+547) 10
< 1432610296 231932 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, as the language seems to increasingly become less and less like Brainfuck, with the 4-character command/argument blocks becoming a pain due to anticipating needing 16-bit integers for the exact project it was designed for, I am gonna have to switch active development to a six or eight character version for intended use. I plan on coming back to developing Fourfuck as a simplified variant when I have finished the project this was designed for
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< 1432610313 768418 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :there.
< 1432610326 663294 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: you always have Unicode.
< 1432610348 269804 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, well, Brailles?
< 1432610380 143914 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might need to store UTF-16 in the intended project...
< 1432610520 857807 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ike my note said on the talk page, i'll simplify whatever i make back into 4 chars
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< 1432610683 756176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should not use Unicode
< 1432610714 675239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, even if you do, UTF-16 isn't really the best way to use Unicode, anyways.)
< 1432610765 320083 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general you should use Unicode if at all applicable, but UTF-16 is uniquely terrible and should only be used for compat purposes.
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< 1432610783 113465 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not as bad as UCS-2 which afaik is what Javascript does
< 1432610790 950457 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck UCS-2 so hard.
< 1432610808 475359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general you should use ASCII if possible.
< 1432610812 414771 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust has a "WTF-8" encoding for UCS-2 compatibility
< 1432610825 75280 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://simonsapin.github.io/wtf-8/
< 1432610830 523515 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WTF-8 (Wobbly Transformation Format − 8-bit) is a superset of UTF-8 that encodes surrogate code points if they are not in a pair. It represents, in a way compatible with UTF-8, text from systems such as JavaScript and Windows that use UTF-16 internally but don’t enforce the well-formedness invariant that surrogates must be paired."
< 1432610843 323668 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general you should use UTF-8, which for most code is "use ASCII and don't do things that break UTF-8".
< 1432610868 982571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For programs that use Unicode, yes UTF-8 is much better than other encodings since then it works even if you are using only ASCII.
< 1432610903 798920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I thought Wikipedia says CESU-8 is encoding individual surrogate codes in UTF-8?
< 1432610936 840373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, VGMCK supports both that as well as proper UTF-8 (this is because the actual output file contains text in UTF-16 format)
< 1432610971 494725 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: WTF-8 is different -- it's UTF-8 except it defines a representation of invalid UTF-16.
< 1432611009 226489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK
< 1432611018 2829 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not UCS-2 compat, it's "dumb shit that acts like UTF-16 units are Unicode codepoints" compat. :)
< 1432611066 503301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend in any program that uses input normally in ASCII but writes output into a file that contains UTF-16 text, that it would support both CESU-8 and proper UTF-8.
< 1432611106 600435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In other programs that need Unicode I do not recommend adding support for CESU-8 since it isn't important.)
< 1432611123 168879 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supporting CESU-8 as well as UTF-8 without it being an explicit option (i.e. --enable-cesu8 or some such) is a bad idea though.
< 1432611151 135518 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(non-obvious behavior with two non-identical strings mapping to the same string can be real dangerous)
< 1432611345 88319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends much on the program, I think.
< 1432611482 927996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not necessarily a bad idea. In the cases where it is, there is probably no point supporting CESU-8 anyways if you can just use an additional filter program to convert it at first.
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< 1432611668 869671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the cases where I used it, there is no such danger.
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< 1432612123 908833 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab
< 1432612382 411427 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-8 is a good transport and file format, but for internal purposes Unicode-aware porgrams should use WTF-32
< 1432612402 297301 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? What does UTF-32 buy you?
< 1432612423 987063 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ability to count characters, move them around, etc, easily
< 1432612437 104177 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Count characters" For what purpose?
< 1432612439 401901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it depends on the program!
< 1432612458 867866 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, not really: a Unicode character is composed of one or more codepoints.
< 1432612463 799701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many programs that have some support for Unicode don't need to count characters or anything else like that
< 1432612522 204807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of my programs do not support Unicode at all and I am not going to add any support. A few do, but only do what they need to do with Unicode, and not more than that.
< 1432612589 213105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, my RDF Turtle parser library has some support for Unicode; specifically, it allows Unicode in identifiers and will decode \u escapes into UTF-8.
< 1432612694 917823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Allowing Unicode in identifiers is part of the specification of RDF Turtle syntax; I do not really like it much or recommend using that feature when it can be avoided, but it is there for completeness.)
< 1432612742 396121 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, UTF-32 essentially reduces the complexity of reading a character to fread()ing 4 bytes
< 1432612765 306800 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why are you reading 'a character'?
< 1432612775 847203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Yes, if that is what you need to do; like I said it depend on the software. I find that is rarely necessary anyways.
< 1432612778 141699 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and allows to seek N characters through a string by adding n*4
< 1432612791 642062 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, not really because a character is not 4 bytes.
< 1432612792 77527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading bytes tends to work better, and is compatible with ASCII.
< 1432612802 392604 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Unicode character is one or more codepoints.
< 1432612860 711886 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: for eaxample?
< 1432612865 614934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode has a lot of stupid stuff, really.
< 1432612917 567923 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A + COMBINING GRAVE ACCENT.
< 1432612919 617280 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my own stuff I generally prefer PC character set.
< 1432612922 868085 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a single character.
< 1432612929 16632 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is two codepoints.
< 1432612930 60978 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you claiming that formally, the combining characters are not characters?
< 1432612978 897044 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially. Or, at least, if you treat them as "characters" you're dealing with a very different concept of "character" than the end user is likely to.
< 1432613006 897916 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For practical purposes, I have no toruble selecting a combining character and pasting it somewhere...
< 1432613055 575356 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not "two characters" to most users that's "an A with a `" and if you treat it as an A followed by something that modifies it into an "A with a `" you're gonna have some fucking weird behavior.
< 1432613067 72833 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "right arrow" move by one character or one codepoint?
< 1432613096 669185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's stupid stuff in Unicode.
< 1432613117 856139 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sure, it would be vastly easier if they didn't put in any of the combining stuff.
< 1432613131 363530 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a legacy of them trying to fit everything in 16 bits.
< 1432613140 310822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then, there is much stupid stuff remaining.
< 1432613149 124287 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode y ̄
< 1432613150 12632 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0079 LATIN SMALL LETTER Y] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0304 COMBINING MACRON]
< 1432613182 787348 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you didn't have the space there the macron would be above the y.
< 1432613222 575125 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, and I find it annoying that I can't put my cursor between them.
< 1432613237 232511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Yes I agree too
< 1432613244 611843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be a property of the font metrics and not of the character set anyways.
< 1432613248 145765 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're gonna find similar stuff with decomposed hangul. :)
< 1432613285 748691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complex scripts, combining characters, text direction, ligatures, etc all of that should be defined in the font metrics only.
< 1432613300 155019 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint, nobody things of the individual jamo as "characters", but they can totally be represented as individual codepoints!)
< 1432613302 120355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then they can use whatever character encodings you want.
< 1432613338 783945 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it will be a problem if Korean user types a word, gets the last jamo wrong by typo and can't adjust it by simply pressing backspace
< 1432613368 484528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is right it is the problem
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< 1432613854 481314 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes a daily system backup

< 1432613930 142630 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irssi appears to do what I proposed: treat combining characters like other characters. if I type ñ and then backspace, it deletes the tilde but not the n
< 1432614004 396730 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I can't put by cursor inside ñ. So it does half of what I think it should do
< 1432614019 480661 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses irssi

< 1432614036 111479 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now find a Spanish speaker that doesn't know about Unicode and see if that behavior is what they think it should be.
< 1432614039 280542 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tip: no)
< 1432614128 591193 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but that is the fault of unicode by making the wrong behaviour easy to implement
< 1432614147 803890 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well sure.
< 1432614148 766004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the precomposed character then if you are Spanish like that
< 1432614171 30087 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Unfortunately for you, OS X prefers decomposed characters. :)
< 1432614195 533691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are at least 100 problems with Unicode, I think..............
< 1432614210 681536 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's still the least awful solution.
< 1432614261 402825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't. What TeX does is better
< 1432614277 948823 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, doesn't TeX not even support multilingual code that well?
< 1432614289 190938 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, multilingual text
< 1432614321 5426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actuall TeX does have stuff for multilingual text, you can use different hyphenation pattern for each language in one file, and you can make the font for different language text too
< 1432614395 114647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVI can even use 32-bit character numbers, and so can METAFONT
< 1432614413 546631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is more than Unicode and it mean you can even do made-up languages
< 1432614495 944351 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1432614569 525434 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i am gonna try and figure out how a six-character or 8-character version of fourfuck would work
< 1432614630 392373 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :as, like i probably said, the arduino is 16-bit, why am i making an 8-bit language?
< 1432614726 775353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1432614757 624440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone writes a JIT for BF and posts it to reddit, and Urban Müller (or someone impersonating him) turns up to say hi
< 1432614787 458699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know which one; ask Muller
< 1432614789 417023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could easily be an impersonator, actually
< 1432614818 929964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my "deanonymizing operator" and "cons operator" extensions I added into RDF Turtle syntax?
< 1432614886 456098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example now (1 2 3 4) and (1,(2,(3,(4,())))) is same thing.
< 1432614960 465276 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all
< 1432614998 3762 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
< 1432615017 765802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can make a "incomplete list" by (1 2 3 4,)
< 1432615048 41381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a list can "loop" such as (!_:x 1 2 3 4, _:x)
< 1432615096 189015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You don't have to loop from the beginning; you can loop from in the middle too)
< 1432616390 71725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With pure tokenizing highlighters it looks difficult to properly highlight IRC because I do not see how you can highlight the command name (or number) in this way. Well, maybe if you are using regular expressions that support looking behind you at what has already been parsed, then maybe you can, but I am not sure.
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< 1432619062 146545 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do loop like stuff in a mathematical language with assignment but not loops? I know I'm being really vague, but - say I have multiplication - can I, without loops, do exponentation by a variable value?
< 1432619082 922744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you are too vague
< 1432619114 669573 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432619182 211943 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay-- can I - without a built-in exponentation function - without using any loops - and only using numbers and enumerable types - do exponentation by a variable value?
< 1432619454 101449 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm
< 1432619647 525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have logarithms?
< 1432619658 569118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, you still need /one/ exponentiation for that to work
< 1432619670 117853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general, no because of computational complexity problems
< 1432619690 606936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't produce a number of size O(2^n) in time O(1) without some operation that grows numbers exponentially
< 1432619700 783239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the lack of loops means you can't write programs slower than O(1)
< 1432619722 254995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grows numbers exponentially or faster
< 1432619736 35667 :password2!~password@197.77.40.10 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1432620233 184735 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1432620303 171458 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I decided to do is add unconditional goto
< 1432620338 124062 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since everything is a number you can do logic with 0's and 1's)
< 1432620344 342359 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the language I'm making of course)
< 1432620366 775336 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://iq0.com/notes/deep.nesting.html  do you guys know this?
< 1432620376 163871 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice reading
< 1432620613 113109 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww c
< 1432620624 305352 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or c++ or whatever or c with pants
< 1432620633 506416 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1432620763 694566 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always done it that way with multiple returns
< 1432620798 959917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I will read it later
< 1432620989 243651 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow this is longer, it goes into many ways to simplify code
< 1432621447 350052 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka
< 1432621460 832200 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/fourfuck%20language/Fourfuck%20Octopus-0000.pdf
< 1432621482 468784 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the octopus is just a random word i picked)
< 1432621523 367577 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a different approach than the one i had been planning
< 1432621559 204714 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to modify some commands to allow for optional 16-bit arithmetic
< 1432621724 994184 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i looked at the backlog. nobody seems to say goodnight here.
< 1432621876 345452 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually fall asleep with no warning
< 1432621989 927409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not find "goodnight" necessary on computer much
< 1432622550 732700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Windows you can still count how many lines in a file:    find /v /c ""
< 1432622586 896327 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna get something to munch on. maybe it will help me pass out
< 1432622792 521849 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget it I'm making a BF derivative -.-
< 1432622841 657612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it common to use a goto command in parsers more than in other programs?
< 1432622887 510380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes
< 1432622902 440096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to generalize, heavy use of goto is common in state machines
< 1432622908 682577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parsers are one of the main applications of state machines
< 1432623050 203823 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why careful use of goto in other settings has not come back into vogue since "'GOTO considered harmful' considered harmful" came out. It seemed a pretty good argument to me.
< 1432623105 496053 :hilquias`!~user@189.115.169.219 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1432623175 303735 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO is not harmful?
< 1432623194 502078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO is not necessarily harmful.
< 1432623520 224496 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :in c/c++, is this possible: int main(){f1();return 0;} void f1(){f2();} void f2(){f1();}
< 1432623581 478789 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432623586 336151 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, that sort of thing
< 1432623661 239960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you declare the functions at first then you can do like that, although such thing isn't going to work.
< 1432623671 969837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will just run out of stack space
< 1432623691 477384 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't do that program, of course
< 1432623691 662544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or get into an infinte loop without using any stack space
< 1432623695 806643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This depends on the compiler
< 1432623786 773114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only time I ever used setjmp in a C code is this:    while(setjmp(exception_buffer));    (I do mean exactly that, including the semicolon)
< 1432623821 240876 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :the R--- set of commands in my language reads 4 chars and runs them as if it were a command
< 1432623825 493772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I normally put the semicolon on the next line when doing that
< 1432623856 82526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure whether or not it is allowed to reuse the same buffer, and got conflicting answers, so I did it like that rather than setjmp by itself.
< 1432623859 402788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a) I think it's equivalent to setjmp without the loop (/unless/ you're copying exception_buffer elsewhere and then jumping from the new location); b) if you want to be compatible with old versions of C you should compare to 0 explicitly
< 1432623863 534929 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's menu --- run_commands --- menu ---
< 1432623909 385019 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :wel, it compiles for the arduino, but i have not yet tested it
< 1432623909 873956 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1432623924 295586 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab
< 1432623971 322595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folder14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.zem.fi/w/index.php?diff=43052&oldid=42543 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+154) 10/* Name dispute */
< 1432623991 233788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: O, you put in next line, OK, but in this case I am not copying the buffer at all; see above why I did that
< 1432624020 341618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have other times too used a while loop with no body, but this is the only time I used setjmp at all)
< 1432624086 57200 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok so I just learned something. In addition to chmod there is a command chattr which, rather than being a chat program, is used to set extra attributes to ext2 files. 
< 1432624120 23035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What extra attributes is it?
< 1432624126 539201 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you don't know about chattr, and there is a file which has been chattr +i on it
< 1432624132 539418 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't delete it
< 1432624155 73668 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i for immutable
< 1432624272 981791 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a file with i in its lsattr output can't be modified in any way, even by root
< 1432624296 397287 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only root can take off the i with chattr -i file
< 1432624365 604427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I know that
< 1432624694 918175 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1432624747 332615 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i talk a lot about the language i am making due to having nothing better to do.
< 1432624790 467840 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking out loud, but am willing to hear comments
< 1432624870 327082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is fine with me
< 1432624926 326934 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like i keep kiling chat whenever i talk about octopus ( octopus is the clean alias of fourfuck's crrent development branch ) 
< 1432624939 432175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no point posting all of your thinking about it on here unless you are willing to hear comments, which you are, so it is OK
< 1432625037 447613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :People that discuss other thing can do so it doesn't seem a problem to read different set of message mixed up in this way (it occurs even in books), but if someone does have a problem it is possible to program the computer to temporarily suppress such messages if they are interfering with the others.
< 1432625078 977590 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1432625177 55710 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone needs the channel's soapbox and i am aware, of course i will yield to the while they are on it
< 1432625187 899963 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to them
< 1432625207 28666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1432625376 294799 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello?
< 1432625440 199510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you wanted to  talk a lot about the language you are making due to you have nothing better to do; so, if you have something to write, do so.
< 1432625459 644538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if nobody comments right now, it would be logged
< 1432625502 522722 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only say so much
< 1432625519 777846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1432625547 244021 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am making the language due to having nothing better to do
< 1432625567 481148 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i talk about th language to get feedback
< 1432625581 121168 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry if there was confusion
< 1432625605 854697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432625748 94808 :e_svedang!~erik@c83-254-7-124.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432625820 462035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK.
< 1432625824 417972 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1432625852 377531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, post here; if I have any comment I may write some, or possibly someone else might. However it might come late but that's OK because we have logs
< 1432625853 752764 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this epic idea
< 1432625868 951745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: What kind of epic idea is that?
< 1432625902 61778 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an idea for an esolang
< 1432625941 638870 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wont spoil the details but it's going to be called And.
< 1432625955 484984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1432626063 597122 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/octopus%20language/Octopus-0000.pdf
< 1432626080 783867 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/octopus%20language/octopus_0000a.ino.txt
< 1432626100 71088 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go to sleep soon
< 1432626147 548139 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :since chat's logged and stuff, you don't have to wait for me to wake up to comment
< 1432626196 262485 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all
< 1432626277 530581 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
< 1432626294 27531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is all that stuff at the top for?
< 1432627168 595227 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1432627174 610239 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few more details:
< 1432627185 910674 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is at least as good as a push down automaton
< 1432627493 978227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I'm not surprised. Anyway, the real domain seems to be back, so I undid the MediaWiki changes.
< 1432627494 163520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432627796 542614 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka
< 1432627975 948756 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what stuff?
< 1432627979 353594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07And14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43053 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+1708) 10/* And */finished typing it for now
< 1432628026 282785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07And14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43054&oldid=43053 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+6) 10/* Cat Program */
< 1432628055 274555 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1432628085 58222 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07And14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43055&oldid=43054 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+2) 10...
< 1432628106 661112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the     const char cx00[17] PROGMEM = "                ";    and so on
< 1432628139 456575 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an arduino thing
< 1432628149 806148 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :cxarray is in flash memory
< 1432628333 321595 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :cxarray is part of the program, but never copied to ram
< 1432628440 629064 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :program as in the interpreter setch
< 1432628451 195455 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sketch
< 1432628589 230087 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does this make sense to you now?
< 1432628788 891302 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cxarray[256] is a array of 256 17-byte char strings?
< 1432628798 460605 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning.
< 1432628936 288634 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, pointers to 17-byte char strings
< 1432628937 431710 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are morphisms that are both epimorphisms and monomorphisms isomorphisms?
< 1432628956 295847 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1432629064 648673 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432629165 257393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: I know that, but among other things they are all const and all spaces too
< 1432629174 61250 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also..
< 1432629185 352205 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any other endomorphisms other than the identity function?
< 1432629214 867559 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as they are f: X -> X
< 1432629305 328157 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cause i haven't filled them in yet?
< 1432629364 587816 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i not say that cxarray is read-only?
< 1432629371 785942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: O, that's why, OK
< 1432629403 475926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is read-only; you told me that and I can see it from the program too, but I don't know much about Arduino stuff or about your program, therefore it seem strange to me at first.
< 1432629412 739163 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is f(x) = -x and endomorphism as well?
< 1432629415 920642 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-d
< 1432629425 233186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Yes there are other endomorphisms
< 1432629542 371067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Not necessarily.
< 1432629549 88011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it depends what category.
< 1432629553 522486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some categories there aren't any
< 1432629554 643752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/bimorphism
< 1432629707 948476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: In that example though, if you have f: Integer->Integer then yes it can be
< 1432629860 822202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I just changed that mage a few seconds ago
< 1432629873 908503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it said "Contemts" by mistake instead of "Contents"
< 1432629886 133367 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a standard for naming of mp3's
< 1432629930 343447 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :should the filenames be Artist - Album - Song.mp3 or the reverse?
< 1432629945 812549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I think that depends what you want to sort by
< 1432629967 126225 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also MP3 isn't very good; FLAC is much better)
< 1432629993 551784 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah... mp3's, flacs, wav's etc
< 1432630030 118804 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extension isn't the point, that already has a standard :)
< 1432630060 910619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK
< 1432630192 664374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although arranging the stuff in that filename in my opinion mostly depend how you want to sort by; I prefer filenames without spaces though. However you might also like to organize in a SQLite database then you can easy sort by whatever you want to
< 1432630308 832598 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A database is a good idea. Or if there is a separator in each filename like Artist-Song then we can sort using sort -t- -k2 or the like 
< 1432630354 33741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is another way
< 1432630905 749854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can help even if you do have a database, perhaps
< 1432630955 561558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although - might not be best one depending on if the artist's name has a hyphen, too (unless you change it for purposes of the filename, which is also possible; the correct name can be placed into the database instead).
< 1432632556 489451 :rdococ!95feea39@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1432633955 679521 :e_svedang!~erik@c83-254-7-124.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432634077 810452 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Artist/Album/Song.mp3 ;)
< 1432634271 894630 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I second that suggestion
< 1432634713 897758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, just don't put literal names of artists or albums or songs in filenames, beacuse those strings can be crazy
< 1432634750 457816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can put sanitized versions of them in the filename if you wish, as long as you keep them short, not have strange characters, and make sure the filename is unique.
< 1432634770 836170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep the actual names somewhere else, such as in the file metadata or in separate files, whether text or database or whatever.
< 1432634805 11746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making the filenames sort in the way you want to play them is a good idea though.
< 1432634818 534071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helps playing whole album sorted on mobile phone.
< 1432635183 392216 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, they should be in the metadata as well
< 1432635216 394866 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the filenames are descriptive, I'm happy
< 1432635520 24200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432635564 1113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1432635564 186510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 2h 14m 30s ago: I'm not surprised. Anyway, the real domain seems to be back, so I undid the MediaWiki changes.
< 1432635671 591322 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Where's my wine?
< 1432635672 748176 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: mr president, on a permanent basis, developing employability, seeking alternatives to closures, then the commission would like to reiterate my thanks for the comments made today by the rapporteur, per gahrton, and now we are of the opinion of the wto that it is clear that the european parliament has new opportunities, for example, we have reached a consensus, mostly with countries with which we have acquired a living c
< 1432635682 319964 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1432635682 505459 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
< 1432635684 927396 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Where's my wine?
< 1432635685 249235 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: i'm researching scheme for a while until this thing clears up. maybe as a list
< 1432635912 654827 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432635975 673035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you using natural clarification or some chemical?
< 1432635975 906325 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: by a simple macro; what advantage does being able to solve this
< 1432635993 174188 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatives to closures?
< 1432636018 73973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Many substances have historically been used as fining agents, including dried blood powder,[5] but today there are two general types of fining agents — organic compounds and solid/mineral materials."
< 1432636074 833518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because potassium ferrocyanide may form hydrogen cyanide its use is highly regulated and, in many wine producing countries, illegal."
< 1432636113 378947 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is Potassium Ferrocyanide an alternative to closures?
< 1432636165 902336 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap. I have no less than four copies of the same song. mtimes: 2006 2011 2013 2014
< 1432636175 626386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i dunno; my TC proof for potassium ferrocyanide is not yet very far
< 1432636302 341048 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I really like E-Type - Life.mp3, aka etype life.mp3 aka life by etype.mp3 aka Etype: life (CD ver.).mp3
< 1432636344 182779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boidily
< 1432636541 947172 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey E-Type is from sweden! I didn't know that!
< 1432636568 925091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a surprising number of people are swedes
< 1432636661 41420 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The winner of this year's Eurovision Song Contest, for example
< 1432636673 796860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too
< 1432636685 242621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't watch, as usual

< 1432636687 958208 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And at least two people in this very IRC channel!
< 1432636697 93306 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least three
< 1432636709 349014 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, my statement is still true!
< 1432636724 404481 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That statement of yours is /also/ true
< 1432636731 499621 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is that!"
< 1432636731 979003 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly has established a better bound on it though
< 1432636745 830876 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are very truthful today, Taneb
< 1432636762 558402 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, did you know that Graham's number is at least 11!
< 1432636764 546411 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. you're all having a very fungottian conversation this morning.
< 1432636764 816846 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://java.sun.com/ j2se/ 1.4.2/ docs/ latest/ html/ r5rs-z-h-7.html%_idx_138 put
< 1432636771 859300 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might even be more than 12!
< 1432636784 220901 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, no java yet for me, at least for the next two hours.
< 1432636784 463294 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you should focus on the feature differnce, not the
< 1432636790 816712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fungot seems to have gone into the wine business
< 1432636791 142960 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i might as well as the type-checking and deconstruction. the pre-scheme compiler. http://www.bloodandcoffee.net/ campbell/ txt/ fnord and this:
< 1432636810 605619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: although e still manages to use scheme for it
< 1432636833 576545 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blood and coffee?!
< 1432636847 204504 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is scary
< 1432636847 389982 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: fnord big lexical factor was miranda a couple of hours
< 1432636856 318023 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Château de Scheme 2015. Type checked and well rounded.
< 1432636887 553482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you referring to graham's humongous number or to what he was actually approximating
< 1432636895 712650 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, both
< 1432636899 18648 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have three copies of Masterboy - Show Me Colours.mp3
< 1432636901 309157 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Eurovision, I think I heard an E-type song in our ESC qualifier competition once
< 1432636923 289545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because with those things, the lower bounds are ridiculously lower than the upper ones, it seems
< 1432636945 425636 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the time, the lower bound was 6 and the upper bound was Graham's number
< 1432636964 548180 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the lower bound is 13 and the upper bound is the Hales-Jewett number
< 1432636995 133827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: don't worry, he's just using the blood and coffee as a fining agent hth
< 1432636999 137647 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a list of songs that have won somewhere
< 1432637029 958853 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wiki has it
< 1432637034 699703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :his wine will be a hit with the sleepless vampire segment
< 1432637141 287733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: wait, are you male or female
< 1432637141 509774 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you look at the source. when you try to say something
< 1432637149 849149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1432637150 34451 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
< 1432637220 533255 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I do not believe fungot has a gender
< 1432637220 730794 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i just threw away a lot, not use the site rules as a way to transmit information!
< 1432637296 189982 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a fungot.
< 1432637296 375302 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: " metamodel"?? haha.
< 1432637321 61163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i found your source unenlightening on the matter tdnh
< 1432637321 246553 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's already there.))
< 1432637339 421570 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: flblblblblbl!
< 1432637339 606841 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: " write search terms in box. click search.") well, i
< 1432637423 562690 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if fungot is hebrew it could be plural male
< 1432637423 785734 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: so you want to))
< 1432637574 659656 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because -ot is how you make plural on male nouns apparently
< 1432637601 953576 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellochaf. expert advise on fungot's gender?
< 1432637602 384764 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: while foo fnord. _) a _, _ cannot be evaluated by the outer procedure. you then remove x1 from the set of polynomials is dense in the space
< 1432637615 897636 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or genders, because apparently the 'got is plural.)
< 1432637630 695641 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: as a gender pluralist, any idea on fungot?
< 1432637630 880899 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: make the keys those small rubbery things
< 1432637660 402160 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what would you say your gender or genders are?
< 1432637660 587396 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ( scariest thing i could see some use for it. :p
< 1432637690 831208 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, fungot is unnerved by the concept of gender, and is terrified that they can see some use for it
< 1432637691 30161 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i think the avoidance is just for nomic-sh. i'm not set at all on that page are funny.
< 1432637775 464688 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I think that says it all
< 1432637840 240723 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh.
< 1432637852 628693 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fsvoh, bidh.)
< 1432637919 88433 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :taaabc
< 1432637983 497311 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebs Are Almost About ABCs?
< 1432637996 123338 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :These acronyms are a bit confusing
< 1432638026 178033 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fairly sure there is only one Taneb
< 1432638040 566797 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean there used to be a racehorse called Taneb back in the 20's or something
< 1432638087 196153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me where you got 'taneb' from anyway
< 1432638096 661181 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, shared account with my brother
< 1432638109 549472 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the time he had the nickname "Neb" because it was Ben backwards
< 1432638131 230985 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tacked the first three letters (reversed) of my name onto that, "Tan"
< 1432638134 821980 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make "Taneb"
< 1432638186 122008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :idswicaa
< 1432638207 529511 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Don't See Why It Could Also Abort.
< 1432638219 873742 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do sometimes wish I could articulate acronyms
< 1432638225 380353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: a good start
< 1432638237 663457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not such a good start
< 1432638457 493440 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1432638484 187914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't see what is confusing about acronyms" hth
< 1432638484 429081 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an exam in 6 hours about computability and complexity
< 1432638499 206316 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally putting my years here to good use
< 1432638507 428116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: look at the bright side, it's pretty sure to terminate
< 1432638543 837583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1432638547 146251 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a 90 minute exam, I should hope so
< 1432638557 582270 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeez, I've been here for like 5 years
< 1432638575 626724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ah yes, i had the same experience when i took automata and formal systems last year
< 1432638586 198749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so why do i keep thinking of you as a newbie...
< 1432638595 98318 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, because I'm like half your age
< 1432638608 166306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION corrects brain

< 1432638644 927143 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because he sometimes asks beginner questions here?
< 1432638651 22060 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also I kind of feel like a newbie wherever I go
< 1432638655 701434 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an experience I enjoy
< 1432638700 69109 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes get lost for fun
< 1432638710 366421 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's oddly liberating
< 1432638719 86565 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I may be an odd person
< 1432638767 245185 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait wait. oerjan is twice Taneb?
< 1432638777 37387 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, roughly, I think
< 1432638781 994902 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how old are you?
< 1432638792 129598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :44, for about another month
< 1432638806 267615 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is 2*Taneb + 4
< 1432638813 181487 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, 2*(Taneb + 2)
< 1432638829 353992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in two years you can stop being a newbie
< 1432638872 849703 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps
< 1432638887 792257 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1432638887 967912 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By then I may have almost graduated!
< 1432638907 271769 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why again did I need inlining for my static typed stackbased programming language
< 1432638912 874649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the esolangs.org wiki is up again at the original address, great
< 1432638931 29189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: performance hth
< 1432638935 50965 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1432638944 140907 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had something to do with it not type checking unless inlined
< 1432638965 617166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: technically i never noticed it stop working, although its CSS got screwy because of fizzie's temporary workarounds
< 1432638977 327400 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/DtRAbW0q
< 1432638987 473903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the dns was down
< 1432638999 838199 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because you could not assign a unique type to the function "mother"
< 1432639009 468720 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it would accept both hans susi and hans fritz
< 1432639036 943997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: oh right, statically typed stack is tricky when you have eval-like commands, i remember the old CAT discussions
< 1432639049 944776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think he ever completely solved it
< 1432639081 816079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i did notice the discussion thank you very much
< 1432639092 419303 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I have like ten songs under both DJ S3RL - song name and S3RL - song name
< 1432639121 674697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's should be some ISSN
< 1432639127 580930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-'s
< 1432639145 893545 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I solved it by inlining
< 1432639163 835999 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@= does not really define a new function
< 1432639164 11738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? .
< 1432639175 554324 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a macro actually
< 1432639184 38162 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like #define mother parent female
< 1432639193 625017 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't assign mother a type
< 1432639200 519288 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can use "parent female"
< 1432639217 274716 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't really understand the scoping rules of metafont. It's confusing. Is there a good description of it somewhere?
< 1432639226 925089 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: COTYLEDON CHICKEN
< 1432639239 940265 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/bxNCwGbU <- that's the full code btw
< 1432639240 763308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, when is a tag token used for its name, and when is it used for its current assigned meaning?
< 1432639263 463850 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the latter matter only when it's the first component of a variable name, or also when it's an index?
< 1432639271 237995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you'll probably get problem with recursion, then...
< 1432639285 668167 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :)
< 1432639290 216250 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some functions can't be recursive
< 1432639338 817131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact if you don't have recursion, hindley-milner types are exactly equivalent to simple LC types  + pervasive inlining
< 1432639353 714249 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like I've implemented a "poly" flag
< 1432639357 241468 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that handles such cases
< 1432639370 785406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mf <<<'\ show 2+2' # do we have mf available in the sandbox?
< 1432639371 548409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: mf: command not found
< 1432639375 361877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mpost <<<'\ show 2+2' # do we have mf available in the sandbox?
< 1432639376 9433 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: mpost: command not found
< 1432639377 460374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nopw
< 1432639384 971521 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :will test locally then
< 1432639401 475947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: do you have polymorphic types, if not that'd seem related (although not enough to solve typing in the presence of closures and eval)
< 1432639462 192787 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2005 what *was* www.ginogina.ca?
< 1432639497 582061 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://codepad.org/GM3Ik2p4
< 1432639511 886932 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I read my code correctly $- delays type checking until later
< 1432639519 816261 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supposedly I got a few songs from there that appear not to exist anymore. Hell the artists aren't showing up at all
< 1432639530 520552 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to specify every combination of acceptable types
< 1432639545 515569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: your language looks like a weird cross of stack and prolog/mercury
< 1432639578 742273 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can do some prolog like stuff in it
< 1432639585 847647 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it type checks it means "true" :)
< 1432639596 463794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so that's all compile time?
< 1432639615 480763 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type checking? yes
< 1432639622 265495 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/oFsuRpEu
< 1432639625 579921 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- boolean logic
< 1432639662 12991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ISSN already means something
< 1432639700 711729 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you that "true" and "false" are both types here
< 1432639702 437096 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not values
< 1432639716 393706 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :upper case letter are type placeholders
< 1432639726 34215 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. id :- A -> A)
< 1432639727 452802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i think zzo38 knows metafont hth
< 1432639738 668439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: agreed
< 1432639748 87889 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dup :- A -> A A; swap :- A B -> B A and so forth)
< 1432639820 981738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: how do you define functions that invoke other functions?
< 1432639847 944868 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :With := ?
< 1432639853 623595 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::= defines the function body
< 1432639855 410279 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::- the type
< 1432639860 324269 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can;t believe how hard it is to get info on something that existed only 10 years ago
< 1432639861 270738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1432639876 530375 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or :- A true -> true; or := swap pop
< 1432639886 67501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yeah... some things are underdocumented on the internet
< 1432639901 785821 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is like or :: a -> True -> True in Haskell
< 1432639913 615126 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except Haskell doesn't really allow this
< 1432639919 648606 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in Haskell True isn't a Type
< 1432639965 207227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: http://web.archive.org/web/20051219014320/http://www.ginogina.ca/content.php?about
< 1432639997 583270 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I apparentely only implemented type checking so far
< 1432640065 807373 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess I must have had an account there and downloaded mp3's from links that were posted? 
< 1432640109 391497 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe my friends did and gave me the mp3's? who knows?
< 1432640126 958607 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with :- and := the type checker will try to check the type of the function against the type you try to give it
< 1432640151 4871 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with $- the type checker won't do that but only check the types in calls to that function
< 1432640170 445994 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning uhm
< 1432640189 539289 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo $- -> false; foo := true; would type check as long as you never call foo
< 1432640216 340524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: True can be a promoted type with the DataKinds extension hth
< 1432640238 375724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have values though
< 1432640276 171714 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at that web page makes me want to cry, the internet used to work fine without all this JQuery CSS3 HTML5 bullshit
< 1432640296 186793 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly useful for things like mother := parent female where the function on the left can't be assigned "a single type"
< 1432640314 423590 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which either has to be inlined through a macro or by defining it with $-
< 1432640329 277554 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tells the compiler to not type check mother := parent female
< 1432640333 159384 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but type check calls to it
< 1432640340 319821 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.. *tells the type checker
< 1432640476 716850 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cat has a successor called kitten now
< 1432640499 799866 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not by the same author though
< 1432640638 180684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've noticed
< 1432640666 283851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i misspoke, hindler-milner without recursion is equivalent to duplicating let definitions, not inlining them
< 1432640673 476759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*y
< 1432640716 238159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you let each use site have its own type for a let-defined variable, but it still needs to have a type
< 1432640805 28729 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1432640826 639563 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if mother is used, you infer from the context what type it should have
< 1432640839 102489 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then check it
< 1432640844 716571 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1432640871 356454 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I could've done instead is that the type checker automatically creates overloaded versions of mother with all combinations of accepted types
< 1432640979 757357 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that works with recursion though
< 1432641038 448312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: kitten seems to be by evincar who was a regular here for a while, cat was by christopher diggins and my memory is vague on whether he came here or whether i just saw him elsewhere
< 1432641068 27606 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It surely works if you can't overload the return type :)
< 1432641133 874630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the cat language site seems to have vanished
< 1432641324 172 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would work.
< 1432641340 491706 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just lazy to implement it
< 1432641345 377828 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too
< 1432641492 448513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Frankly an RNG isn't at all worrying -- 122 actually random bits are basically *not* going to collide. <-- * imagines a far future in which civilization is destroyed by an unexpected hash collision
< 1432641572 161444 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(hash(time()) == 0xEAFFF44789ABCD17DBA) { /* start war on 6571-10-10 */ }
< 1432641588 359034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said unexpected hth
< 1432641599 8127 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is unexpected
< 1432641611 752293 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :who had known that 6000-8-8 would also produce the same hash .
< 1432641621 435079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1432641657 173439 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's semi-expected
< 1432641729 535184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was imagining more like a future where we're all living as uploaded minds in computronium
< 1432641767 352172 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every individual is stored under the key hash(individual.dna)?
< 1432641770 622333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the world computer uses hashes for security
< 1432641785 247330 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody is up for being erased and replaced by somebody else
< 1432641789 530417 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand
< 1432641791 27046 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is good
< 1432641805 94668 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you know that your population won't grow infinitely
< 1432641832 211319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the hashes were more than big enough when the system was designed, you see
< 1432641835 978170 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :someday a newborn cyberbaby will overwrite somebody
< 1432641857 60128 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432641865 341707 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobodys gonna use that not-enough condoms!
< 1432641888 130422 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly cybercondoms
< 1432641897 563639 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you're plans about that are in the computronium.
< 1432641901 54088 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your
< 1432641911 491537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact they still _seemed_ to big enough.  nobody actually expected the hash collision.
< 1432641918 971736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to be
< 1432641957 125537 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hash collisions are an inherent property of hashing
< 1432641957 817394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it wasn't in something as mundane as a single person's hash, it was in a security proof for the fundamental OS
< 1432641962 178482 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1432641965 75213 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are there. Always.
< 1432641983 698847 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well
< 1432641992 833082 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't git sorta have this problem?
< 1432642007 449314 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read about what bad things will happen if a hash collides
< 1432642034 81694 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I possibly have but already forgotten it.
< 1432642034 868000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there are lots of places where it would be bad, surely
< 1432642064 224722 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll be already dead by then so who cares" - L. Torvalds
< 1432642137 572589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can't be an actual quote, too polite
< 1432642208 814738 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck shit fuck" -- L. Torvalds
< 1432642219 630342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too incoherent
< 1432642242 481495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are both welcome to prove me wrong with actual links
< 1432642302 289195 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1432642364 55491 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to google "fuck l. torvalds"
< 1432642380 175850 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g
< 1432642413 308266 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what came up, torvalds saying "Nvidia, fuck you"
< 1432642499 843683 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/23/75 "Mauro, SHUT THE FUCK UP!" -- L. Torvalds
< 1432642545 332615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43056&oldid=42965 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+21) 10The imports disappeared.
< 1432642555 138689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that was coherent, doesn't count hth
< 1432642568 918052 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] SHUT THE FUCK UP
< 1432642989 457322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1432642993 61541 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :your compiler is pure
< 1432642994 583313 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and utter *shit*.
< 1432643007 299909 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- L. Torvalds, to the GCC team
< 1432643068 90680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's pure, has to count for something
< 1432643096 519417 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432643124 260026 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1432643152 214325 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43057&oldid=43056 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10Fixed an implementation error.
< 1432643475 594757 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a search for linus torvalds shit led to
< 1432643487 448515 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mormonism as a religion is a fairly close second to the Scientologists in the race to "Batshit Crazy" -- L. Torvalds
< 1432643510 420894 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mormons are cool.
< 1432643639 582493 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :. Hurd will be out in a year (or two, or next month, who knows), -- L. Torvalds 1991
< 1432643643 381255 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432643668 390981 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has a beta now, right?
< 1432643835 531861 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short: just say NO TO DRUGS, and maybe you won’t end up like the Hurd people. -- L. Torvalds 2001
< 1432643848 875668 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432644120 457604 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If any Intel people are listening to this and you had anything to do with ACPI, shoot yourself now, before you reproduce. -- L. Torvalds
< 1432644204 169256 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43058&oldid=43057 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+89) 10/* Example programs */
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< 1432645717 365498 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably intel architecture is probably worse than it could be
< 1432645853 443599 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1432645854 762876 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD > *
< 1432645869 18497 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Cyrix was the Hell of a Mess.
< 1432645906 822139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: bring your elves
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< 1432646731 874135 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the opposite of altruism?
< 1432646805 430975 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misanthropy?
< 1432646814 941018 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kleptomania?
< 1432646816 346471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wn altruism -antsn
< 1432646816 522148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antonyms of noun altruism
< 1432646816 522232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 sense of altruism                                                     
< 1432646816 522255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sense 1
< 1432646817 83340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :altruism, selflessness
< 1432646818 836276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :       Antonym of egoism (Sense 2)
< 1432646821 337992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :      =>egoism, egocentrism, self-interest, self-concern, self-centeredness
< 1432646890 84053 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbenevolence?
< 1432646894 376718 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a word?
< 1432646913 39895 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :malevolence is
< 1432646922 450397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. malevolence, malignity -- (wishing evil to others)
< 1432646922 626121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. malevolence, malevolency, malice -- (the quality of threatening evil)
< 1432646926 892505 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1432646929 316826 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1432646950 434860 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for a word for "doing good without external motivation"
< 1432646953 688872 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the opposite of that
< 1432647009 538302 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432647040 108860 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if such a pure thing exists
< 1432647044 361256 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isn't some form of compensation
< 1432647077 147866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The opposite" is not really well-defined, since it's unclear whether the opposite should invert the "good" part, the "external motivation" part, or both.
< 1432648054 723914 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good part
< 1432648149 912562 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing good without egoistic benefits, doing evil without egoistic benefits.
< 1432648230 831387 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like where mother theresa is helping children just for the sake of helping them (altruistic)
< 1432648246 218700 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :father theresa is just robbing people for the sake of robbing them (....?)
< 1432648404 915471 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or punching them in the face
< 1432648409 164377 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just doing general evil of some sort
< 1432648430 740156 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or polluting the environment
< 1432648460 781437 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointlessly malicious?
< 1432648467 537843 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know if such a word exists...
< 1432648489 928090 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's such a thing as pointlessly kind
< 1432648496 412916 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there must be a pointlessly malicous
< 1432648504 827351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps not, but "maltruistic" would sound good.
< 1432648522 214608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the construction would make no sense.
< 1432648557 287055 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :People seem to think that you can do good without involving your ego
< 1432648569 963166 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but refuse to believe that you can do evil with the same motivation
< 1432648610 846942 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432648673 614714 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "maltruistic" would make a good word
< 1432648751 865998 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there are already some google results for it
< 1432648771 361964 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems to be defined as "fake altruism"
< 1432649015 737736 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1432649022 966619 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also a terrible philosopher.
< 1432649031 733329 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432649074 534790 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you interested in Philosophy?
< 1432649074 807900 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: i've been thinking about fnord, other than gambit doesn't have a whois referral pointing at a dead-end position in life.
< 1432649094 751030 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1432649259 147619 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432649556 529107 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1432650363 281019 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you know Peter Popoff?
< 1432650363 674030 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: any particular code you were reading was not the connotation i had a netgear first, but for ash it happens in other areas
< 1432650713 714356 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432653473 524084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the "whois referral pointing at a dead-end position in life" part.
< 1432653480 449408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's perhaps a bit cruel.
< 1432653493 260275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You'll need to have some niceness programmed in you.
< 1432653493 436066 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cannot open input file: invalid argument"
< 1432653502 67686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So snarky.
< 1432653622 364169 :KnightArm0!~irc@200.109.194.199 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432653706 487660 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think people would appreciate if you refuted the argument instead of just dismissing it as invalid
< 1432653706 706332 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: looking at it... it has a typo. i'll fix that
< 1432653744 994793 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no.  fungot's growing self-sentient, fixing typos in its own source
< 1432653745 208118 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you can see.
< 1432653754 405744 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared.
< 1432654427 587861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07And14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43059&oldid=43055 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+886) 10/* Examples */
< 1432655350 417272 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432656461 709166 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully fungot is not synet.
< 1432656462 47935 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: 1-n words of mostly human language. i was thinking about that the next pixels according to the error somehow
< 1432656581 370100 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432656693 709952 :KnightArm0!~irc@200.109.194.199 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1432657176 430415 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kkucqxasyvvhmdqd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1432658036 783288 :rdococ!95fee0f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.248 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432658870 143098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember I had a book once that described a chess variant known as "Emperor Wars". (I don't know if it may have been the only copy (it was made of plain paper, probably printed by computer or typewriter, did not mention any author's name or copyright notices, had hand-written corrections in it), and I don't know where it is now.)
< 1432659562 468183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tell us more about those pixels
< 1432659562 852649 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: unleash your creative side shine, while painting and marking your keyboard the way you put that in your average defun?
< 1432659571 828301 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1432659572 4107 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1432659746 72537 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, people who have [y] in their native languages!
< 1432659756 917964 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, an English speaker, [y] sounds like a cross between [u] and [i].
< 1432659810 379426 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you say the same?
< 1432661573 638371 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: speaking from Finnish, I wouldn't quite say that.
< 1432661711 207843 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :y and i are articulated in the same place, and the height and roundedness of y and u is the same
< 1432662437 581606 :rdococ!95fee0f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1432662467 883748 :rdococ!95fee0f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.248 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1432665131 571434 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/octopus%20language/octopus_0000b%20commands.pdf
< 1432665181 843146 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98841263/octopus%20language/octopus_0000b.zip  (the arduino source code. a *.ino is ascii text)
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< 1432665332 484186 :lleu!~gnomebad@158.223.174.95 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1432666795 263143 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1432667382 980780 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap...have to double the amount of cache variables
< 1432667388 931942 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :...somehow
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< 1432668374 906848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: At least I'd put [y] "between" [u] and [i] if I had to sort them on a "scale". And also what nortti said.
< 1432668505 212865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The problem you mentioned was kind of a known one, in the sense that I set up the backup address knowing people using https:// would have certificate problems, and sort of vaguely expecting it might cause something like that even when the regular domain name returned. Anyway, things should be back to normal now.
< 1432668549 519170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huzzah
< 1432668580 936637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I could've generated an esolangs.zem.fi certificate and have it serve that to anyone using the backup address and supporting SNI, but that felt like quite a hassle for up-for-less-than-a-day workaround.)
< 1432668607 380566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a norwegian, i'd put [y] between [ʉ] and [i]
< 1432668668 114455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and [ʉ] between [y] and [u]
< 1432668822 169152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i suspect swedes do the same
< 1432669472 211312 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so... how's that Philosophy going?
< 1432669472 440488 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you can get a correct result, namely ( 3 ( l 3 i 1)
< 1432669908 73985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's solved.
< 1432670092 644477 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think the standard should be Artist - [Album -] Song [feat. Vocalist] [(DJ Blah mix)] [(from Game)].mp3  
< 1432670120 584011 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where [] indicates that it might not be there
< 1432670318 911720 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that will eliminate all conflicts, but it should come close
< 1432670832 298402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that'd work for classical music very well.
< 1432670859 406225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess you can stuff multiple things in the 'Artist' and 'Song' fields.
< 1432670930 683679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also doesn't really disambiguate between different remasterings of the same song. Unless the "DJ Blah mix" field counts for that, too.
< 1432670969 527829 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could put in (Radio Mix) or whatever
< 1432671027 560317 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432671074 840428 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now I'm just manually changing things to roughly that format... I'm not sure how to account for songs that I literally have zero information... the mp3 has no info and is named the url of a long deleted youtube video 
< 1432671095 391244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play it back and run SoundHound on it.
< 1432671105 748617 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: /me makes emself sparse for a while
< 1432671153 300455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say "run Google Music Search on it" since I kind of (very tangentially) work on that thing, but I can't honestly recommend it all that much -- it didn't even recognize this year's Eurovision songs! (SoundHound did.)
< 1432671567 498861 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh geez... now that I'm playing it. it's a nightcored version of whatever the hell it is
< 1432671675 252651 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess I can put it on my 3ds, open soundcloud on the samsung, and play it at various speeds until it recognizes it?
< 1432671718 474083 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Nintendo 3DS has the ability to adjest the speed of a song with the stylus)
< 1432672007 57999 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432672228 345899 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... and searching for lyrics "jungle jungle jungle jungle jungle jungle jungle jungle jungle" doesn't work either
< 1432672424 888825 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA! found it
< 1432672621 702720 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a song from the Bollywood horror film "Agyaat"
< 1432672690 892620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07And14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43060&oldid=43059 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+18) 10edited examples
< 1432672731 540242 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07And14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43061&oldid=43060 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-3) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */
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< 1432673853 489386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432675381 715967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :man why did i avoid reading about homotopy type theory for so long
< 1432675433 956638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no they got Phantom_Hoover 
< 1432675477 100335 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :relax man i only read like 2 articles
< 1432675505 390854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S HOW IT STARTS
< 1432675523 948636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan do you know much about knot theory
< 1432675538 565251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :knot a lot
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< 1432675556 852067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was pretty predictable hth
< 1432675567 709687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my oerjan simulator is complete
< 1432675568 380548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i thought so too
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< 1432675644 885444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why do you hate hott
< 1432675806 87184 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do you not then know why there are so many fucking polynomials
< 1432675866 582485 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was in high school I thought polynomials all looked either like x^2 or x^3
< 1432675882 938046 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have done quite well on my computability and complexity exam
< 1432675894 916826 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you can have polynomials over any semiring
< 1432675900 980317 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of semirings
< 1432675904 924804 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence a lot of polynomials
< 1432675910 970840 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then one day I realized x(x-1)(x-2) had three roots and you could not have three roots while looking like x2 or x3
< 1432675927 156309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yes but that doesn't explain why they're all tied up in knots
< 1432675938 728899 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never believed in santa claus so I guess that realization was kind of the big thing
< 1432676085 519795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the three roots of santa claus
< 1432676488 104803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why are you scared of hott anyway
< 1432676492 616658 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen: Most of them do in physics
< 1432676547 171065 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe in santa claus?
< 1432676555 776302 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah physicists have all kind of weird beliefs
< 1432676574 500230 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43062&oldid=43035 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+144) 10/* Game */lol
< 1432676726 382387 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432676822 985410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's the followers - their empty eyes collapsed into a point
< 1432676848 547132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that not common to all homotopy theorists
< 1432676859 339082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be
< 1432677092 955870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh you get articles from them talking about how hard it's been to define the n-sphere or prove that the torus is the product of two circles
< 1432677112 323731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does not inspire confidence in its practicality
< 1432677163 604491 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the very straightforward parametric equation of the torus is literally a product of two circles
< 1432677169 730234 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that hard to prove?
< 1432677222 323104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably homotopists don't accept that definition
< 1432677279 997712 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it too constructivistish? :(
< 1432677297 146473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you define the torus in hott in terms of its homotopies
< 1432677304 4450 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1432677345 428997 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess what they meant is "it's been hard to prove that our definition of the torus defines in fact a torus"
< 1432677359 602734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a point a, two loops p and q from a to a, and a homotopy h from q.p to p.q
< 1432677369 471093 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, more or less
< 1432677537 620838 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432677602 709743 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Koen_
< 1432677610 305426 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Lyka
< 1432677635 957475 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I am a little annoyed
< 1432677654 994667 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that you who helped out with the fourfuck page?
< 1432677675 382389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why
< 1432677699 389254 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, because people are complaining that the exam I just did was way too hard
< 1432677712 549980 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a little more difficult than the past papers, sure, but not that much more
< 1432677716 166327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it not in fact very hard
< 1432677735 325919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was the #esoteric exam right
< 1432677755 820992 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no. computational complexity exam or some such thing I believe.
< 1432677778 422386 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, computability and complexity, so, yes, #esoteric
< 1432677804 9149 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Questions involved "Is n^n in O(n!)? (3 marks)"
< 1432677808 952057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :your perspective might be a bit skewed :p
< 1432677820 254703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, it... fuck
< 1432677821 875244 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps
< 1432677825 76992 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432677828 746057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've forgotten simpson's theorem
< 1432677834 786398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've forgotten if that's even simpson's theorem
< 1432677836 178485 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the answer is "no
< 1432677836 803457 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1432677874 799677 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what Simpson's theorem is
< 1432677904 334106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's stirling's approximation
< 1432677969 416997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's... not?
< 1432677976 547739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: people are always complaining about every exam
< 1432678009 803884 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: yes
< 1432678026 349165 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :n! is O(nn^n) then?
< 1432678036 646511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion LADSPA is a bit too simple and LV2 is a bit too complicated but I have the new idea of something similar actually
< 1432678063 43624 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes
< 1432678085 864519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that was a typo for O(n^n), yes
< 1432678116 197756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :n! ~ k*(n^n)/(e^n), where k is root 2pi or some shit
< 1432678141 706509 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit overkill
< 1432678144 824502 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that times sqrt(n)
< 1432678173 597065 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n! is n * things smaller than n and n^n is n * things not smaller than n
< 1432678173 873085 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it's overkill
< 1432678235 308749 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the last question was a bit nasty, I thought
< 1432678276 774082 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Language L_1 is in P, and Language L_2 is neither \emptyset or \Sigma*. Prove that L_1 can be reduced to L_2 in polynomial time"
< 1432678276 960280 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hello world, a 0 to 99, a 0 to 999, a fibonacci below 65536, and a non-terminating cat
< 1432678425 761573 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm strting to doubt that the language is a brainfuck-derivitive
< 1432678481 929352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :integrate it and see if you get brainfuck hth
< 1432678516 399467 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: hmmm are you talking about fourfuck? as far as i'm aware the author hasn't disclosed much more than "it's loosely based on brainfuck" and "commands are four characters long" so I don't know how you would have all those programs
< 1432678519 845164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, just showing it's smaller isn't enough, you need to show it overwhelms constant multiplication
< 1432678540 420384 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: one of the smaller factors is a 1
< 1432678542 976678 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much smaller
< 1432678550 331559 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so n! < n^(n-1)
< 1432678552 120003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-terminating cat?
< 1432678556 55035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that like http://spl.smugmug.com/Humor/Lambdacats/i-dVj9xxz/1/O/recurcat.gif ?
< 1432678560 328772 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: fourfuck is my language
< 1432678565 899629 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: oh
< 1432678568 108997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's two ways of showing it we've come up with
< 1432678590 282258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or like http://cameronhunter.github.io/flight-edge/ ?
< 1432678619 558466 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: well, the things I added are mere suggestions; if this is your language, feel free to edit the page as much as you like
< 1432678630 248180 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :including by removing or adding categories
< 1432678635 507507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 32683px? disappoint
< 1432678686 498712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should keep expanding.
< 1432678687 855888 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: correct me if I understand your problem wrong
< 1432678741 342133 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1432678761 184044 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but "L_1 can be reduced to L_2 in polynomial time" is the same as "if I have a machine M2 that recognizes L2, then there exists a polynomial-time machine M such that M \circ M2 recognizes L1"
< 1432678776 56758 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1432678782 125093 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1432678785 596849 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have misremembered the question
< 1432678792 537237 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we already know L1 is polynomial-time
< 1432678799 175359 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just discard your M2 machine
< 1432678840 564200 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should i do: leave the page alone and focus on getting the language to work for things other than fibonacci output and hello world? or delete the page and remove the link for now?
< 1432678873 454263 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't work well having to document every step
< 1432678874 778547 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in my humble opinion, designing a language is much more interesting that editing a wiki page
< 1432678879 266701 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, hang on, let me check I am not misremembering the question, because that is backwards from what I put
< 1432678920 366234 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432678925 781814 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hanging on
< 1432678950 795919 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1432678964 723222 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :without objection, i'm gonna delete the page from the wii and remove the link in language list
< 1432678978 28037 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the wiki
< 1432679031 943491 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :th language is changing too much
< 1432679155 894405 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, http://i.imgur.com/QC3ecg3.jpg
< 1432679165 935885 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question 8 there
< 1432679187 417370 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, well I hold by what I said
< 1432679208 929149 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"L1 is P" means you can solve L1 in P-time
< 1432679212 561840 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of interpreted it the other way round to you
< 1432679227 819511 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1432679244 134362 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because L2 is non-empty, there is at least one string in it, say "a"
< 1432679250 231404 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1432679255 834285 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because L2 is not full, there is at least one string in it, say "b"
< 1432679266 504574 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in it* but okay
< 1432679288 360595 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, for a string w, if we define w' := if w is in P then a else b
< 1432679295 455669 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which we can do in polynomial time)
< 1432679303 12628 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then w is in L1 if and only if w' is in L2
< 1432679328 927792 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1432679335 228514 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I said
< 1432679352 945487 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1432679359 481921 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in my exam. that is
< 1432679361 457538 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1432679364 12096 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you check "if x is in P" in polynomial time?
< 1432679375 369597 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in L1
< 1432679377 171783 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry
< 1432679386 491425 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1432679407 444622 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay that sounds great
< 1432679469 287999 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to use every detail given in the question, which is a good sign
< 1432679478 781020 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fourfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43063&oldid=43047 5* 03Lesidhetree 5* (+0) 10Removing my name...
< 1432679511 669990 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Lesidhetree14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43064&oldid=43049 5* 03Lesidhetree 5* (-21) 10Removing my name...
< 1432679528 817895 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...64% of this exam was "What does this Turing machine do?"
< 1432679556 276587 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It computes a value.
< 1432679575 653746 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDream, in more detail than that, unfortunately
< 1432679584 363686 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1432679599 711459 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what value??? that's the question
< 1432679621 527166 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them instead recognized a language!
< 1432679635 130101 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I guess I didn't really know the formal definition of language reduction, only the idea of problem reduction
< 1432679648 38434 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: they computed a boolean value didn't they
< 1432679656 522823 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess...
< 1432679689 970434 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "accept / reject / don't halt" isn't strictly speaking boolean maybe
< 1432679708 45482 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, the one that recognized a language was total
< 1432679747 905955 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they they did do compute a value!!
< 1432679752 426499 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1432679769 116481 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I need to revise for my Groups, Rings, and Fields exam on Thursday...
< 1432679789 693917 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprise interrogation!
< 1432679800 972257 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a syllow subgroup
< 1432679802 335525 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose?
< 1432679808 989223 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh! I know this!
< 1432679828 720088 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a subgroup of order p^n where p is prime and n is the multiplicity of p in the order of the group!
< 1432679830 307509 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sylow or howevermany L there are
< 1432679849 235782 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One l I think
< 1432679857 259757 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an ideal?
< 1432679886 800121 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A subring I of a ring R such that for a in I and b in R, ab is in I
< 1432679918 546556 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a field?
< 1432679941 265752 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ring whose units are all elements other than zero
< 1432679958 12305 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1432679966 211178 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "unit" mean "inversible element"?
< 1432679972 652430 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think
< 1432679978 37521 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the unit was the neutral element for multiplication
< 1432679983 327968 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is a unit if there exists a b such that ab = 1
< 1432679993 10425 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, I'm just using the definitions I'm given, I am afraid
< 1432679999 854093 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup that's good enough
< 1432680011 232010 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a and b are in the ring, of course)
< 1432680030 685040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION carefully points out the ring should probably be commutative

< 1432680048 987388 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lord of the rings
< 1432680049 485613 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing some courses assume rings are or are not commutative so that would be the afraidful definitions
< 1432680076 862609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess was the same except with "fields"
< 1432680107 911126 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you should probably know the chinese theorem as well
< 1432680118 743788 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not gonna be in the exam but it's a fun story for parties
< 1432680141 623235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you missing a remainder or is this something i haven't heard of
< 1432680151 454454 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think you *might* get commutativity for free?
< 1432680165 9425 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm wrong
< 1432680168 684979 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need commutativity
< 1432680169 825427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no, there are "skew fields" or "division rings"
< 1432680179 817252 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err the french name is "théorème chinois", that might not be the english name though
< 1432680199 218484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly french
< 1432680199 902108 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you don't if it's finite, apparently
< 1432680222 315012 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it says if you've got an unknown number N but you know two remainders of N by say a and b (and a and b are distinct and big enough) then you can calculate N
< 1432680240 15042 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the legend says it was used by a chinese general to count his soldiers
< 1432680241 700839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: "chinese remainder theorem"
< 1432680245 365710 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1432680250 905452 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I was indeed missing a remainder
< 1432680257 58016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so
< 1432680273 627426 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to bed now
< 1432680290 522951 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1432680291 87540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION used that on the one question he managed to solve when in the IMO

< 1432680302 746161 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the pop quiz, Koen_, it did help
< 1432680309 832641 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome
< 1432680335 13279 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're is probably more to know about silow subgroups than their definition, though
< 1432680340 976359 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1432680387 437764 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432680426 869043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the chinese remainder theorem is an important (although not the hard) part of the theorem that you can do integer division in logarithmic space
< 1432680429 765262 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1432680430 55715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 262200Z 23015KT 30SM FEW050TCU BKN240 28/17 A2997 RMK TCU1CI6 SLP150 DENSITY ALT 1500FT
< 1432680439 931209 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :summer has come.
< 1432680447 148715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1432680447 556720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 262150Z 27010KT 9999 FEW035 BKN049 09/05 Q1010 RMK WIND 670FT 28012KT
< 1432680450 809583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKEPTICAL
< 1432680455 37037 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1432680584 444499 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm we learned how to do integer division in primary school didn't we?
< 1432680593 114680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: not in logarithmic space
< 1432680612 930627 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we used digits
< 1432680661 497686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a quadratic amount of them, i am guessing
< 1432680704 397567 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1432680721 482734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although with mutable memory you can relatively easy reduce it to linear)
< 1432680832 600911 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I was wondering whether studying mixed time/space complexity was a thing?
< 1432680849 23826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i assume so
< 1432680873 698987 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432680882 821043 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of problems that can be solved in either very small space or very small time but the usual method to reduce space is to keep forgetting what you've already done and redoing everything a quintillion times
< 1432680893 770753 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, mutable paper would be nice, like if erasers ersaed, as opposed to just spreading the graphite acros the page  
< 1432680928 371305 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aquarel erasers do
< 1432680974 173754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: hm i am thinking of path reachability, it can be done in polynomial time or in log^2 space
< 1432680988 287665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you get both at the same time?
< 1432681009 333109 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I think that one was the problem that made me wonder
< 1432681009 678061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's the canonical NLOGSPACE-complete problem)
< 1432681137 164414 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kneaded_eraser
< 1432681189 545768 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more suited in painting when you want to erase the sketch without leaving pencil marks
< 1432681208 94938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1432681414 860318 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1432681487 351914 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
< 1432681812 108573 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION saw CESU-8 today :(

< 1432681973 339987 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1432682370 889605 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432682375 759673 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: my condolences
< 1432682409 459932 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1432682456 89335 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cones with very large cone angles make good paper fans
< 1432682461 600029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? imhotep
< 1432682462 346802 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imhotep? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1432682469 622585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasted potential
< 1432682579 593035 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432682599 362659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432683071 704324 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1432683197 716838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this document clear to you?   http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/rdf/c_rdf
< 1432683698 447779 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432683809 492529 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Sgello. what's a CESU-8?
< 1432683940 970832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CESU-8 is encoding the UTF-16 codes of Unicode texts into UTF-8.
< 1432684275 191151 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, codes outside BMP end up as 6 bytes instead of 4.
< 1432684539 24008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is how it is work
< 1432684542 390877 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1432684578 423683 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the UTF-8 encoding algorithm on UTF-16 units. Mostly a consequence of bad UTF-16/UTF-8 implementations and backwards compat with 'em.
< 1432684666 687398 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily!
< 1432684688 365054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KATL
< 1432684688 680231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KATL 262352Z 00000KT 10SM -RA FEW005 BKN120 BKN150 OVC200 20/18 A3021 RMK AO2 SLP221 P0002 60108 T02000178 10289 20194 55007 $
< 1432684691 989517 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got that right
< 1432684724 12159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program I have written called "utftovlq" has no built-in CESU-8 support; however, you can convert between proper UTF-8 and CESU-8 by using a pipe of the program twice. If you tell it to convert UTF-8 to UTF-16 and then back again, you get proper UTF-8 out. If you tell it to convert UTF-8 to UTF-16 and then RAW-16 to UTF-8, the output will be in CESU-8 format.
< 1432684785 662662 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the rain is incessant this part of summer. thunderstorms daily.)
< 1432684823 161792 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PART :#esoteric
< 1432684858 110692 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. helloren. that is disgusting!
< 1432684862 104603 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia!
< 1432684884 201957 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pouring here yesterday, with rainy rain and watery drops.
< 1432684897 713585 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your metar must be one of the longest I've ever seen!
< 1432684903 935580 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes the clouds

< 1432684908 114806 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and your station's still in need of some maintenance)
< 1432684928 209879 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow, the clouds will be pokable. no bike for me then.
< 1432684928 743594 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know
< 1432684938 8246 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the `$' at the end.
< 1432684947 489507 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "fix me"?
< 1432684955 966970 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that, yes.
< 1432685014 932882 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what all that stuff after RMK means
< 1432685076 363482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so have you got a functional fast computron ytet
< 1432685214 59755 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AO2 is something. SLP is Sea Level Pressure (1022.1 hPa). P0002 is also something. 60108 is definitely something. but T02000178 is something else, whereas 10289 is approximatively something. I think 20194 is something, and so is 55007.
< 1432685252 948092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may be wrong
< 1432685259 259641 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet. social life (and not quite social life) got in the way.
< 1432685267 69194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of those things could be random garbage
< 1432685273 161311 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's broken
< 1432685292 390181 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those fields have meaning; I just can't remember them as they are US specific.
< 1432685318 369793 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to do with temperature and pressure changes in the last hours, cumulative precipitations, etc...
< 1432685360 700737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYVR
< 1432685361 189545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 270000Z 22008KT 20SM FEW030 FEW045 SCT250 18/13 A3001 RMK SC1SC1CS2 TR AC SLP163 DENSITY ALT 200FT
< 1432685415 402564 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: west coast?
< 1432685438 547286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, CYVR is Vancouver airport.
< 1432685451 16602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK
< 1432685451 235443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 262353Z 27013KT 10SM FEW020 17/09 A2999 RMK AO2 SLP156 T01670094 10183 20133 57007
< 1432685470 145120 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I meant to ask: you're there? I admit the question was poorly phrased.
< 1432685486 489108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I live near there
< 1432685494 358336 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: see, even shachaf has the Mysterious Number Fields.
< 1432685507 390697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :every METAR field is a mysterious number field hth
< 1432685508 463563 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks the The File just to make sure...

< 1432685519 151590 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: agree
< 1432685528 629657 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. zzo38 lives over there.
< 1432685542 102369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: zzo38's whereabouts are revealed in the whois database hth
< 1432685578 193029 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cool place
< 1432685586 220422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The airport is a local call from here and so is the studio that make Slugterra television shows (I did call them, and they asked me if I was calling from Canada)
< 1432685588 590136 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but this is too straightforward.
< 1432685611 267937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you prefer gopher?
< 1432685612 726330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mailing address in the WHOIS will reach me as long as you put my name (Aaron Black) on it.
< 1432685618 662822 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
< 1432685637 534746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of mail would I send you?
< 1432685651 153057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably nothing; I am just mentioning it in case it is ever important.
< 1432685792 412891 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you call the tv show zzo
< 1432685805 583440 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also where does that nick come from?
< 1432685860 342280 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily could mail you things
< 1432685869 69015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not remember where the nick comes from. I called the TV show to ask how to buy the tapes
< 1432685914 12267 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I now know what to mail you next.
< 1432685935 412151 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I tried phoning zzo38, but either it's not the right number, or he doesn't want to answer.
< 1432685957 225781 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there is no good reason for him to answer
< 1432685966 121154 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: he can answer any question you have right here
< 1432686012 304965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can answer the question here. The telephone number listed on the WHOIS is not guaranteed to reach me, and I do not recommend using it.
< 1432686017 637014 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i can't see myself being interested in this tv show
< 1432686038 978496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't like it, that's OK, but I and my brother do like it even though it is a bit strange kind of TV show
< 1432686068 431967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is your brother younger than you
< 1432686072 514729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't absolutely the best kind of television show, but, it does seem to have better captions than some
< 1432686087 7524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to tell you my brother's age
< 1432686105 365353 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know your age, so telling me whether he is younger wouldn't tell me his age
< 1432686156 289738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but still I don't want to tell you.
< 1432686167 730331 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1432688312 798003 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :const
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< 1432689276 115686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1432689677 121560 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432689854 170293 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BILATERAL CHICKEN
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< 1432691790 711930 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1432691949 922152 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ
< 1432691950 278663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 270100Z 19009KT 15SM FEW120 SCT260 26/17 A2995 RMK AC1CI2 SLP138 DENSITY ALT 1900FT
< 1432693150 720687 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
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< 1432693623 8449 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1432694480 33767 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :invariable
< 1432695963 480000 :KnightArm0!~irc@200.109.195.40 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432695987 190747 :KnightArm0!~irc@200.109.195.40 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432697537 85453 :tromp!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432698692 455877 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1432699271 612825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are the most common internet language codes?
< 1432699567 465297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Oracle database actually uses CESU-8 for its "UTF8" character set."
< 1432699611 345065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they should not call it "UTF8" since that can cause confusion
< 1432699615 567768 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you input a four-byte code for a high-plane character?
< 1432699757 912790 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How pathetic is it that a type of bug is so common it's effectively its own encoding?
< 1432700120 345208 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many stuff stuck using UTF-16.
< 1432700132 109981 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(poorly)
< 1432700297 511249 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "a=%c1 _pa a=%8F _pa" | scrip7
< 1432700298 81162 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"a=%c1 _pa a=%8F _pa" | scrip7
< 1432700307 691826 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "a=%c1 _pa a=%8F _pa" | scrip7
< 1432700308 338265 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-63 \ 18:Can only logarithm numbers.
< 1432700372 678237 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "a=%c1 _pa a=%8f _pa" | scrip7
< 1432700373 309795 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-63 \ -113
< 1432700393 409638 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "a=%c1 _.a a=%8f _.a" | scrip7
< 1432700394 64552 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​��
< 1432700416 965383 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theoretically, the above is a capital O
< 1432700440 305132 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "a=%c0 _.a a=%80 _.a" | scrip7
< 1432700440 941539 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​��
< 1432700466 950153 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, the above isn't right!
< 1432700483 501737 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "a=%c0 _.a a=%80 _.a" | scrip7
< 1432700484 135039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​��
< 1432700502 895298 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "a=%c0 _.a a=%81 _.a" | scrip7
< 1432700503 543025 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​��
< 1432700538 892953 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why an overlong encoding of U+0000 gets displayed like that?
< 1432700554 812669 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1432700691 362024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinion is that CLI messages, commands, protocols, etc should be in American English (even though I am Canadian) but that documentation and GUIs should be localized to whatever is your language (e.g. Canadian) (I mean documentation for CLIs can be localized too). What is your opinion of this kind of things?
< 1432700991 431191 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLI messages should be in Sarus.
< 1432701056 329733 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, specifically in a variant of english based on military radio communication.
< 1432701389 575511 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLI messages should be in the user's language as far as is possible, but perhaps each message should be repeated in formal english for clarity of technical terms which are lacking in many lanuages.  
< 1432701487 952080 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In japanese most of the technical terms are katakanized english anyway, so maybe for japanese I wouldn't bother)
< 1432701586 535495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I think they should be ASCII
< 1432701780 956859 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CESU-8 is 💩
< 1432701827 935847 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Sarus, you don't even need multiple characters. Just 8 font colors.
< 1432701873 559375 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be possible to color the english message with the sarus message
< 1432702113 57514 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Japanese technical terms are funny...
< 1432702141 809169 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: They're either katakanized English, or creative use of Japanese Chinese-origin morphemes to calque Latin.
< 1432702149 641509 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or Greek)
< 1432702417 877631 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if there's a tem in Sarus that works.
< 1432702479 816485 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sarus has a very small, context-dependant vocabulary.
< 1432702629 506746 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probalby more suited to being a form of assemlber.
< 1432702762 767441 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1432703231 178302 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1432703437 149857 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1432705243 515354 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432706030 952972 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Phone
< 1432707124 163606 :invariable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1432708317 112046 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
< 1432709237 381716 :hilquias`!~user@189.115.169.219 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432709294 210495 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1432711316 23271 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hello

< 1432713605 412965 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :harro
< 1432713712 518071 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the "rinia"
< 1432713730 656070 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not on a computer where I can turn that into katakana easily, but try searching the kana)
< 1432713733 677499 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm actually
< 1432713749 198856 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode (KATAKANA LETTER RI) (KATAKANA LETTER NI) (KATAKANA LETTER A)
< 1432713753 870582 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432713756 316638 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1432713764 340775 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat unicode
< 1432713764 888609 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: unicode: No such file or directory
< 1432713769 388660 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/unicode
< 1432713769 976354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ # -*- encoding: utf-8 -*- \ import re \ import sys, os \ import unicodedata \ def l(c): m = re.match('(?:U[+])?([0-9a-f]{1,5})$', c, re.I); return unicodedata.lookup(c) if m is None else unichr(int(m.group(1),16)) \ try: \     print u''.join(map(l, sys.argv[1:])).encode('utf-8') \ except KeyError: \     os.execvp("multico
< 1432713819 771876 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode "KATAKANA LETTER RI" "KATAKANA LETTER NI" "KATAKANA LETTER A"
< 1432713821 362475 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432713876 843678 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode U+30EA U+30CB U+30A2
< 1432713878 484746 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432713928 748601 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode U+30ea U+30cb U+30a2
< 1432713929 668392 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432713936 87674 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up
< 1432714523 8992 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://languagengine.co/blog/sierpinski-triangles-in-bitwise-logic
< 1432714525 693154 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone's interested
< 1432714539 97748 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i showed the channel this a long long time ago but i decided to write a blog post about it now, so
< 1432714546 846588 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with interactive things!
< 1432714548 241788 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1432715177 36771 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1432715398 223789 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432716186 253560 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: isnt it? its such a cool little thing
< 1432716221 783901 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am tempted to play around with it myself
< 1432716269 874131 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1432716887 816240 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432718990 721117 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1432719041 364969 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432721890 292591 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1432721944 641629 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432722733 78905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode "KATAKANA LETTER RI" "KATAKANA LETTER NI" "KATAKANA LETTER A"
< 1432722733 810913 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​リニア
< 1432722747 73789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ^ -- the thing with `foo passing everything in one argument strikes again.
< 1432722755 577059 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432722783 281738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's useful, up until the point when it's not.)
< 1432723170 403039 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it a little weird we can talk about the GCD in an unordered ring
< 1432723353 966118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: call it "special common divisor" if you prefer
< 1432723382 458602 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I don't mind the terminology, it just shakes my notion of how it's defined a little :)
< 1432723509 118862 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's special because all common divisors divide it
< 1432723542 66414 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1432723674 359535 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fnoooord
< 1432723674 584506 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: that's right! he'll show you! he'll show you! he'll show you all the java libraries with sisc. must be at least.
< 1432723688 209601 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O
< 1432723724 37526 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode a
< 1432723724 684640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A]
< 1432723730 506081 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1unicode LATIN SMALL LETTER A
< 1432723732 746381 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LATIN SMALL LETTER A
< 1432723733 450407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1432723761 421244 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ポ
< 1432723763 122623 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+30DD KATAKANA LETTER PO \ UTF-8: e3 83 9d  UTF-16BE: 30dd  Decimal: ポ \ ポ \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ Decomposition: 30DB 309A
< 1432723773 745174 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode KATAKANA LETTER RO
< 1432723774 436409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ロ
< 1432723797 364715 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode イ
< 1432723798 371469 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+30A4 KATAKANA LETTER I \ UTF-8: e3 82 a4  UTF-16BE: 30a4  Decimal: イ \ イ \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
< 1432723804 9419 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode KATAKANA LETTER A
< 1432723804 656366 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ア
< 1432723819 302976 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode KATAKANA LETTER A; KATAKANA LETTER PO
< 1432723820 204715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432723824 72962 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok can't do multiples?
< 1432724015 380801 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode アロイアポ
< 1432724016 29724 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+30A2 KATAKANA LETTER A] [U+30ED KATAKANA LETTER RO] [U+30A4 KATAKANA LETTER I] [U+30A2 KATAKANA LETTER A] [U+30DD KATAKANA LETTER PO]
< 1432724032 854251 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode [KATAKANA LETTER A] [KATAKANA LETTER I]
< 1432724033 863912 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0009  \ UTF-8: 09  UTF-16BE: 0009  Decimal: 	 \ 	 \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: S (Segment Separator) \  \ U+000B  \ UTF-8: 0b  UTF-16BE: 000b  Decimal:  \  \ Category: Cc (Other, Control) \ Bidi: S (Segment Separator) \  \ U+000D  \ UTF-8: 0d  UTF-16BE: 000d  Decimal: 
 \ 
< 1432724064 88997 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uniencode [KATAKANA LETTER A] [KATAKANA LETTER I]
< 1432724064 633838 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: uniencode: not found
< 1432724068 279493 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1432724080 454242 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uncool
< 1432724188 57780 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhelloman_. I think it's easier to install an IME and type it the way it is :/
< 1432724238 168129 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, the geek value greatly decreases from an unbelievable unicode-long-names-over-irc-bot to the run-of-the-mill IME.)
< 1432725507 303260 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fatal error: uchar.h: No such file or directory
< 1432725509 616286 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaat
< 1432725575 806694 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems you have no C11 support
< 1432725692 331463 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1432725698 26016 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :--std=c11 is accepted though
< 1432725956 933760 :f|`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432726039 977213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, s/no/incomplete/
< 1432726155 707591 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: INFLATED CHICKEN
< 1432726221 662426 :shikhout!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432726279 159561 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432726371 809461 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1432726379 347991 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu NICK :b_jonas
< 1432726515 260530 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1432726515 794834 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1432726598 372471 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432726748 936331 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1432728285 619859 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ahhhh thanks
< 1432728306 232054 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I went and saw the ​リニア. it was cool
< 1432728533 98921 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432729781 466510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I *just* demonstrated above how it can do multiple.
< 1432729795 415795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode 'KATAKANA LETTER A' 'KATAKANA LETTER PO'
< 1432729796 120617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​アポ
< 1432729867 848547 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1432729880 994898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess it needs a DWIM wrapper that guesstimates a separator, ignores surrounding markers etc.)
< 1432730060 82562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode PLUS SIGN; BELL; WUZXNOQNKA 8
< 1432730061 97640 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432730065 224806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode PLUS SIGN; BELL
< 1432730066 213700 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432730069 145749 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1432730091 949774 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode "PLUS SIGN" "BELL" "WUZXNOQNKA 8"
< 1432730092 969402 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432730099 57363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode "PLUS SIGN"
< 1432730100 41760 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432730102 236195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode "PLUS SIGN"
< 1432730102 949103 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​+
< 1432730113 684135 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode "PLUS SIGN" "MINUS SIGN"
< 1432730114 418579 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​+−
< 1432730119 404775 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode "PLUS SIGN" "BELL" "WUZXNOQNKA 8"
< 1432730119 839193 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1432730121 170109 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432730128 120661 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg new brainfuck derivative!
< 1432730133 784360 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode [
< 1432730134 712328 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+005B LEFT SQUARE BRACKET \ UTF-8: 5b  UTF-16BE: 005b  Decimal: [ \ [ \ Category: Ps (Punctuation, Open) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored
< 1432730135 832684 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ]
< 1432730136 812823 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+005D RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET \ UTF-8: 5d  UTF-16BE: 005d  Decimal: ] \ ] \ Category: Pe (Punctuation, Close) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Character is mirrored
< 1432730143 445421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called HYPHEN-MINUS by the way
< 1432730154 432549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode HYPHEN-MINUS
< 1432730155 118498 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-
< 1432730164 856097 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINUS SIGN is the wrong one
< 1432730176 255233 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LEFT SQUARE BRACKET" "HYPHEN-MINUS" "RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET"
< 1432730182 339521 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sets the cell to zero.
< 1432730269 840436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "MINUS SIGN" is a comment, right?
< 1432731008 233302 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432731547 384552 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1432731552 647722 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :comments are very bloaty though
< 1432731566 527523 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C" "LATIN SMALL LETER O" and so on
< 1432733640 882047 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432733748 756050 :lleu!~gnomebad@158.223.174.95 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432733852 132549 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am feeling a little more confident for my Groups, Rings, and Fields exam tomorrow
< 1432734192 518633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432734206 707116 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folders14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43065&oldid=41760 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+111) 10added note about encoding
< 1432735125 766489 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432736355 439590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I find it a little weird we can talk about the GCD in an unordered ring <-- it's actually a special kind of categorical product (in a partial pre-order category), and the fact it's not necessarily unique is the same as categorical products/coproducts/universal properties being defined only up to isomorphism
< 1432736379 254767 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, category theory
< 1432736383 700139 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets everywhere
< 1432736389 37960 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like Noam Chomsky
< 1432736389 786013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEP
< 1432736445 637322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*special case
< 1432736498 62421 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait… categorical product? … that sounds plausible, I dunno
< 1432736514 987569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: morphism between a and b iff a divides b
< 1432736517 358603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432736519 677436 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432736525 335741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd just think of that as a lattice operation
< 1432736538 218826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and those are also that kind of product
< 1432736542 2414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the inequality in the lattice is given by divides
< 1432736547 735676 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, all lattices are categories
< 1432736564 37681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the thing is, lattices usually are antisymmetric, that's the thing we drop here
< 1432736574 388868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as orders)
< 1432736647 441079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you can have two "meets" that are not equal
< 1432736649 101366 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you need the power of categorical product when there's more than one element that each have a homomorphism to the others, to make the product more specific (hopefully unique) than the max in the partial order or homomorphisms
< 1432736678 41647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wat
< 1432736710 660787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i'm just saying gcd in a ring does not give a lattice because it's a preorder, not an order
< 1432736716 402740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is useful in the category of graphs with graph homomorphisms where the categorical product gives the cartesian product (up to graph isomorphism), which is more specific than what you just get from partial order (which gives it up to homomorphic equivalence)
< 1432736736 348342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh… ok
< 1432736744 726630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense
< 1432736776 967257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also it's not necessarily always defined)
< 1432736828 440992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*commutative ring
< 1432736844 431074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, you can't have gcd on all rings
< 1432736872 673063 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :start from a normed ring
< 1432737609 237449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am feeling a little more confident for my Groups, Rings, and Fields exam tomorrow <-- just make sure it's really tomorrow twh
< 1432737676 289136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still vaguely remembers sitting in the university canteen when he was supposed to have a group theory exam

< 1432737767 921140 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I am not making that mistake again
< 1432737780 120033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you did it before?
< 1432737804 234114 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I got the wrong time for an exam
< 1432737806 660247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely forgot that

< 1432737815 270848 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought it was a Wednesday, it was actually a Tuesday
< 1432737819 747684 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeez, that was two years ago
< 1432737825 431679 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three years ago, even
< 1432737836 307255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an eternity
< 1432737861 558649 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :28th of May at 9 AM (presumably BST)
< 1432737879 382346 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015 I believe
< 1432737888 837163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds plausible
< 1432737922 97895 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In D/L/028
< 1432737999 583961 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know at least which building that is in
< 1432738009 526445 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I only know of one room suitable for lectures in there
< 1432738227 175994 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
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< 1432739570 847213 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :Hato
< 1432739577 592563 :Hato!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :Welo
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< 1432740077 552676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goto14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43066 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+624) 10Goto statement considered esoteric
< 1432740336 698942 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea!
< 1432740343 193579 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :GotoHell language!
< 1432740408 144007 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g  RA = 1, GOTO printH, RA = 2, GOTO printE, ...
< 1432740416 331332 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker PRIVMSG #esoteric :RA = return address
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< 1432741169 597960 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432741610 801400 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1432742640 562661 :guydreich!choochter@nat/ibm/x-tenkbahbcmrkjttm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432742640 738353 :teuchter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-hmpqipgrcrcmccfe QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1432744901 848366 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432745660 56680 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ
< 1432745660 458216 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 271600Z 22014G24KT 15SM BKN045 BKN250 27/16 A2997 RMK CU6CI1 SLP145 DENSITY ALT 1900FT
< 1432745913 400396 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I heard about the ﾘﾆｱﾗｲﾅｰ. I think it is supposed to be parsed as "Linear Liner"
< 1432746448 539040 :shikhout!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1432746615 412823 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
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< 1432747252 669221 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1432747435 965643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :John Nash's beautiful mind has reached its final equilibrium | The Collatz files | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/
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< 1432752400 311894 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43067&oldid=43043 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-205) 10/* My esoteric programming languages */
< 1432752468 561654 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43068&oldid=43067 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+23) 10/* My unfinished programming languages */
< 1432753231 434315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read in some book it explain a "momentum state"; to try to calculate the quantum momentum I can see how it is working. And then, they wrote about "wave pack state" which again I try to calculate the momentum, but I don't know if it is properly but I can see now it has a imaginary nonzero and is a variable number too but I don't know if I calculated it properly, I know it isn't well-defined though because they say so.
< 1432753235 686187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is proper way?
< 1432753574 708832 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. "raw material" (oerjan will likely pick up on this later)
< 1432753751 798242 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432753774 361428 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fhukeoqvlqcerpum QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1432754592 181845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :metafont is a really sick twisted programming language
< 1432754631 892849 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew this already, but I'm saying again
< 1432754646 702815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to write some nice deceptive obfuscations abusing it.
< 1432755087 89937 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432756778 83145 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as "descriptive", which I guess is exactly what it isn't
< 1432756881 340388 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1432756955 651143 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-193-184.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :descriptive obfuscation might be delightfully deceptive
< 1432757005 573921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :METAFONT is a bit unusual programming language, but it is good for what it is meant for.
< 1432757034 515914 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432757053 628663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The favourite ever deceptive obfu I've ever seen is http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=337612 which masquarades as a question about broken code by a confused newbie.
< 1432757070 973990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as to do fonts and graphics
< 1432757095 790682 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yep
< 1432757179 323159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally it only does pure black/white but it is possible to do other stuff with it to if you make multiple layers and then add specials to tell it how to combine together and another program will command ImageMagick with the stuff in the specials, for example.
< 1432757184 204562 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-012-020.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432757217 588746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yep, metapost uses the same paths but different images and produces postscript/pdf vector output
< 1432757226 450295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rgb colored
< 1432757240 848453 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also cymk maybe? I don't remember)
< 1432757318 179029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either, although that isn't what I was talking about; I meant using METAFONT to make raster output.
< 1432757344 204895 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432757346 234771 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, people do that too
< 1432757353 755073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used metapost for graphics
< 1432757366 888382 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used metafont much, except for simple tests that would work in metapost too
< 1432757374 574039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like PostScript and PDF
< 1432757379 333980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :an obfu could use whichever you prefer
< 1432757407 602520 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the postscript output of metafont is of a restricted format so you can parse it (that's how it can be converted to pdf) and converted to some other vector stuff
< 1432757416 879842 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though of course you could also use a full postscript interpreter for that)
< 1432757443 678894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you can parse it much more easily than running arbitrary postscript
< 1432757500 460300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did make chess icons with METAFONT too
< 1432757525 52389 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mouthes of TeX and METAFONT are somewhat similar, but have lots of differences. Both can do things the other can't.
< 1432757601 520613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can see that too.
< 1432757636 835655 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, fast skipping tokens inside conditions or definitions work very similar in the two languages
< 1432757667 134648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/itions/ition bodies/
< 1432757668 637795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also written all sort of calendar-related calculation support in TeX
< 1432757708 21406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And a algebraic chess notation parser in TeX)
< 1432757736 865535 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432757759 864123 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the calendar thing have a real purpose, or is it just eso/obfu?
< 1432757760 916377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It can also parse FEN)
< 1432757799 174407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Well, I intended that I can add stuff to print out calendars if I want to do that
< 1432757805 163986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is it pure TeX, or does it use the help of external programs?
< 1432757814 30536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is purely in TeX.
< 1432757836 798872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, printing calendars can make sense, but that doesn't mean you have to do the calculations in TeX
< 1432757889 193612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, I also wrote a DVI maker library in Haskell too, so you can use that too if you like to
< 1432757976 987459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I found I can do it just fine in TeX, except that I currently have no equinox/solstice/phase-of-moon
< 1432758097 684952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you compute easter? or look it up from a table of a thousand easters?
< 1432758110 739276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do compute Easter
< 1432758118 27497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without a table
< 1432758121 815104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sunrise and sunset dates?
< 1432758130 303338 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use getJesusResurrectDate();
< 1432758136 998910 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's actually shorter without a table, because there's pretty short expressions for it
< 1432758147 234061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no sunrise/sunset currently
< 1432758151 151919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which use only basic integer arithmetic
< 1432758197 541754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(provided of course that you want it to work for a few centuries)
< 1432758228 184602 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even your grand-grand-grand-grand-grandkids will be able to use it
< 1432758236 624530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the file so far http://sprunge.us/EafF
< 1432758269 579625 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc39-181.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432758274 959061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, TeX seem to be the real portable programming language; it is compatible in past and future forever.
< 1432758281 623379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yep
< 1432758288 515254 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-014.rentec.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1432758294 182517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :metafont too
< 1432758305 752048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1432758307 631367 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more so than metapost)
< 1432758328 4946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree
< 1432758345 398859 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course it's also possible to write C programs with a restricted subset of C that are compatible in past and future forever, but you have to limit what you choose)
< 1432758382 524645 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an operating system written in TeX? 
< 1432758392 240713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy: probably no
< 1432758404 995987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that even work?
< 1432758426 62148 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, but if it's portable, the os would be portable, too
< 1432758447 51539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see in my file how is day of Easter calculated.
< 1432758537 809297 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-027.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432758587 447761 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432758626 213281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference of TeX in different computer may be a difference of speed, a limit in the amount of RAM available, differences in DVI distance encoding, and differences in floating point; but as long as the computer has enough RAM to compile your document, none of these will affect the render, with the possible exception of slight differences of positioning of some boxes but these won't move other boxes too and make a mess
< 1432758772 300338 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-otfgbhqndxerjoci JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432758807 860323 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-141.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432759243 537613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can put moons and equinoxes/solstices (or even to put all twelve signs) on this TeX calendar program too, then I can print calendar with moons and so on, too
< 1432759272 968469 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by twelve signs? zodiac signs?
< 1432759294 237525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the twelve astrological signs
< 1432759309 146402 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-otfgbhqndxerjoci QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1432759310 22146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1432759362 702754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in terms of the Sun's position, because that is the one related to equinoxes/solstices.
< 1432759377 666348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had to do that kind of calculation, I wouldn't try to implement it myself. I'd probably search for an existing good quality library with preferably a C or C++ interface.
< 1432759386 251125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a command-line program.
< 1432759397 649119 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter might be easier.
< 1432759435 832777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is; Swiss Ephemeris is a C library (licensed by GPL) which will calculate this and many other stuff.
< 1432759447 996488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I wanted to calculate by TeX if possible
< 1432759466 922377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike Swiss Ephemeris I don't need the planets though, just Sun/Moon
< 1432759487 671229 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432759500 265011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also don't need house systems, sidereal zodiacs, equatorial coordinates, and all of that other stuff)
< 1432759787 463871 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-eipttbjhilvefftm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432760668 9969 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
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< 1432762132 661856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any audio formats support alpha channels, or only pictures do? Furthermore, can any audio formats support *relative* alpha channel values rather than absolute?
< 1432762266 929797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you have an alpha channel in audio anyway
< 1432762525 63563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would do the same thing as pictures; but for audio it might sometimes make more sense to have it relative to a specified base value rather than absolute, although not necessarily always
< 1432762645 655283 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mix level?
< 1432762683 502843 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's no 'transparency' in audio, alpha channel for audio probably doesn't make much sense
< 1432762708 813355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it would affect mix level
< 1432762751 800553 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what use would that have
< 1432762767 816282 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally, all audio sources are mixed 100%, so it's like they have 100% 'transparency/alpha' always
< 1432762825 111861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By default of course it is
< 1432763035 66922 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you need that
< 1432763047 582464 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what use would it have
< 1432763563 274059 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432763817 61059 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dunno how would you record such alpha values?
< 1432763820 738643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or create them
< 1432763824 437173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than a fixed value
< 1432764401 407339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't record them, but they could be created and used during effect processing; the final mixed result (if the output isn't itself meant to be mixed too) will not have the alpha values
< 1432764454 840548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if the output is itself meant to be mixed, if it has any alpha channel at all it may use relative values if that is applicable to the use of them, such as possibly sound effects played together with background music you might want relative values
< 1432764483 359663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1432764501 309218 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I also know very little about sound formats
< 1432764512 755969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working with images and videos at work, not sounds
< 1432764563 692823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of those video files have a sound channel, because that's how they're recorded by the device (a microphone is cheap compared to an expensive camera so it's often included), but I just ignore that channel.
< 1432764578 296222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore or strip purposefully.
< 1432764593 638601 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, out of interest, what kind of stuff do you do with the video?
< 1432764625 694382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432764631 950129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually what else I thought is a kind of program you can try to work with pictures, videos, and sounds, and others, by allowing any number of dimension and any number of channels, although for videos you can have a combination because it mixes animation with sound
< 1432764672 215956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: image processing stuff, that is, mostly heuristics trying to recognize features or objects of the video
< 1432764680 818075 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1432764688 49252 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can you recognize?
< 1432764691 259240 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me that I should do my image recognition homework
< 1432764691 789852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm indeed wondering what those puppets are made of... especially as i recall some tales from the french terror...
< 1432764720 917862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different operators may use different combination if input/output dimensions/channels, and may support multiple kinds (being "polymorphic"), and some may be generalizable to other number of dimensions/channels, while others may be upgraded and/or downgraded to different number of dimensions/channels.
< 1432764727 123885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: video container formats certainly store all of those, and some handling programs handle videos, images, sounds, and subtitles.
< 1432764745 942301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm, ping
< 1432764762 582266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use the same parameter for DPI and sample rate, possibly allowing it to be different per dimension, just the units are different.
< 1432764770 770546 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can also store arbitrary byte streams to which you give meaning in the future.
< 1432764785 360203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In fact, videos and sounds and subtitles are stored as byte streams.)
< 1432764833 800833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some global metadata like title, and per-stream metadata, most importantly timestamps for each frame.
< 1432764833 976488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that tale i remember may have been a sandman comic...
< 1432764919 11751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, a simple delay effect can be generalized to more than one dimension, and although it is one channel it can be "upgraded" to multiple channels. But in this case you can also just have it operate individually per dimension (and possibly also individually per channel, although per channel is more useful for audio than for pictures it might still be useful to deal with alignment for example)
< 1432764958 832895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e  hah. "raw material" (oerjan will likely pick up on this later) <-- it's hard to do when you're not here tdnh
< 1432764959 48016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432764970 620554 :f|`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1432764986 882286 :f|`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey lanmbda
< 1432765009 29278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fourier transform are also possible in different number of dimension, so PADsynth could also be made to work multiple dimensions too, making tilable pictures and/or repeatable animations
< 1432765012 977121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sure, shifting or slicing in the time dimension is an important enough special case that video handling programs can apply it to all streams together, mostly so that you can concatenate videos in time.
< 1432765050 781560 :f|`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm
< 1432765060 527997 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PADsynth also uses Gaussian distribution functions and those too can be made multiple dimensions
< 1432765075 699574 :f|`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you want to be able to run multiple feeds at the same time?
< 1432765099 434135 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like smoothening filters and edge detection probably makes sense in both cases as well
< 1432765139 342151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The framerate will be different for the audio but you can still cause the single dimension of the audio to be programmed as corresponding with the time dimension of video
< 1432765163 987458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: patience!
< 1432765169 302730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER
< 1432765200 375340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also, that doesn't much resemble real-world voltaire.  is it some kind of shout-out?
< 1432765226 61970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: smoothing audio and video in time with the same filter is probably a pointless idea, unless you have an ultra-high speed video capture.
< 1432765250 165222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I didn't mean smoothing them with the same filter
< 1432765251 337472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe not quite, smoothing with like 60 Hz might actually make sense for both
< 1432765263 138438 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not too much
< 1432765271 96698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you still could do it
< 1432765301 288630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what I meant is that the dimensions correspond so that they will cut/move together for example.
< 1432765375 514750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, cutting, moving, and concatenating together is definitely done on videos
< 1432765397 938192 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean video together with any number of audio and subtitle channels
< 1432765415 901507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However if the audio is 44100 Hz and video is 60 Hz then it is divisible therefore you can cut/move them together in this way.
< 1432765439 802321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The subtitles can be as "event stream" like MIDI is
< 1432765446 749081 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: none that I'd recognize
< 1432765570 619463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION misses google images

< 1432765574 164631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1432765585 38153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION also misses the ' key

< 1432765616 525116 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :google images... is still there ... *wonders*
< 1432765628 437407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION misses google images' magnification popups

< 1432765628 647888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some operators, such as brightness and contrast and gamma correction, can be zero-dimensional operators.
< 1432765633 788530 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1432765649 303832 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate when that happens.
< 1432765657 551467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the '/return thing)
< 1432765679 418586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though usually it's \/return for me
< 1432765763 463453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes he can zoom with his browser instead

< 1432765767 962650 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh well. you were almost right. I should sleep.
< 1432765774 107843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1432765875 290749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :image searching for "voltaire comics" didn't really help.  in so many ways.
< 1432766005 510971 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, why would an ...author?... go by that name...
< 1432766013 310733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really inconsiderate
< 1432766025 426626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a "cool" name.
< 1432766060 642377 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might explain how the Folgios ended up using it
< 1432766069 488472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good night
< 1432766168 507519 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and I do hope Voltaire is the real thing and not a fraud like the Wizard of Oz.
< 1432766405 160479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well voltaire _was_ probably the smartest man in paris when he lived...
< 1432767077 107932 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432767579 430330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know some of thing about how to play back .XM file?
< 1432767679 977893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432767887 320449 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your question about it
< 1432768010 755962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know proper ways of how it is supposed to do
< 1432768036 578441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as exactly each command, tempo, etc
< 1432768065 483317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sample playback and so on
< 1432768763 576126 :slacko173211!~root@95.153.164.165 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432768810 154081 :slacko173211!~root@95.153.164.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estaĵoj de mizera mondo,
< 1432768810 394509 :slacko173211!~root@95.153.164.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :memoru por ĉiam!
< 1432768810 570165 :slacko173211!~root@95.153.164.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unuavice per vasta uzo  de komuna neŭtrala lingvo 
< 1432768810 755383 :slacko173211!~root@95.153.164.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :altevolua civilizacio diferencas de ceteraj dume 
< 1432768810 755431 :slacko173211!~root@95.153.164.165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subevoluaj, se ĝenerale ne degeneraj. 
< 1432768998 620063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know your kind of language so well sorry
< 1432769206 46532 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's clearly Esperanto
< 1432769211 16321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or some very related language)
< 1432769424 105688 :slacko173211!~root@95.153.164.165 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432769763 701645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another use of zero-length arrays in a C code:     #define interface_id(x) struct { char a[(x)&65535]; char b[(x)>>16]; } _interface[0]
< 1432770365 715188 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432771252 739614 :wundo!~textual@drupal.org/user/25523/view JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432771754 734307 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww the esperanto guy left right away?
< 1432771794 347160 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was using puppy linux too
< 1432771959 98362 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I could link him to this http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/
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< 1432773204 491318 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1432774315 647461 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is somewhat interested in Esperanto

< 1432774373 401763 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I tried to parse  char a[(x)&65535]  as a typecast and unary & for a long time and just couldn't make sense of it
< 1432774427 531257 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, (t)+42 is an additive expression when t is a variable and an unary expression followed by casting when t is a type.
< 1432774436 165405 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: ?
< 1432774457 353507 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable += 1
< 1432774466 823322 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks!
< 1432774489 773114 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432774574 880532 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I was double-checking my words before realizing the fun part. well done.
< 1432774597 268096 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try that with `type` next time... :)
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< 1432775206 719323 :wundo!~textual@drupal.org/user/25523/view QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1432776778 975729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :K-Lined
< 1432776779 187941 :zemhill_!~cinch@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::1ea:f001 QUIT :K-Lined
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< 1432785386 198607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wut
< 1432785389 315039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1432785473 822885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 988
< 1432785484 747405 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 988: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1432785551 83393 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit!
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< 1432786398 899424 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Phone
< 1432786490 839646 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all
< 1432786948 787766 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my joke fell flat
< 1432786965 463793 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although even I had a lot of difficuly encoding it, I think no one is really willing to decode it
< 1432786967 830929 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Lyka|Phone 
< 1432787138 992958 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
< 1432787141 537877 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Phone
< 1432787172 910733 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/37j742/i_think_cesu8_is_a_0xed_0xa0_0xbd_0xed_0xb2_0xa9/
< 1432787224 85097 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit!
< 1432787254 416558 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: poop? (wild guess, didn't try to decode that)
< 1432787266 590627 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1432787277 824376 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "PILE OF POO" emoji
< 1432787284 616383 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that one.
< 1432787288 870999 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone loves it
< 1432787294 766808 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow
< 1432787319 165234 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least it should be. I pulled some cesu8-rs crate and installed nightly Rust to encode that
< 1432787334 133330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a lack of intentional CESU-8 encoders, for all that it's done unintentionally
< 1432787832 672093 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432788053 963755 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :woof
< 1432788079 780890 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1432788096 341839 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
< 1432788456 611419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Lyka could you please stop changing your nick all the time?
< 1432788456 949187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432788512 364797 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now how do I unlearn about CESU-8, that's horrible.
< 1432788788 138184 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlambda ````s``sssk```ssk`s``skk.f
< 1432788788 352045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ffffffffffffffffffff
< 1432790278 950101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Xavo 5*  10New user account
< 1432790591 53779 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Phone
< 1432790628 594246 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, the knowledge is useful for when (not if) you encounter it in the wild
< 1432790636 914168 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops...
< 1432790644 209094 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
< 1432790670 496563 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka|Away, the suggestion I think is to get rid of that script entirely, and use IRC's away mechanism
< 1432790681 657671 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :script/setting/etc
< 1432790939 942637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432791274 297434 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, it /is/ horrible
< 1432791296 61092 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost as bad as JS using UCS-2
< 1432791357 505360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even my own CESU-8 encoder is not an intentional CESU-8 encoder; it is a side-effect!
< 1432791405 180892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you try tell it to convert your test to UTF-16 and then treat it as RAW-16 and convert to UTF-8, then you get CESU-8.)
< 1432791465 230405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And you can convert out of CESU-8 just by telling it to convert UTF-8 to UTF-16 and then back again. It has no CESU-8 stuff included, but supports it as a side-effect)
< 1432791537 290813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how you can support CESU-8 in a program that doesn't support CESU-8.
< 1432791543 870439 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory a correct UTF-8 -> UTF-16 should reject it
< 1432791572 701772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, things using UCS-2 is exactly how you end up with CESU-8
< 1432791619 167393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that checks for errors should reject it for sure yes
< 1432791662 676405 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In JS, charAt and charCodeAt actually index by 16-bit words, so you get each surrogate in a surrogate pair separately
< 1432791674 901618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my program deliberately does not check for this error; actually when reading UTF-8 it will read codepoints up to 36-bits in total; when trying to convert whatever input format it reads into UTF-16 though, it will reject codepoints above 0x10FFFF.
< 1432791686 944863 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear ES6 is fixing that by adding new functions for proper indexing
< 1432791693 188230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, same in Java, chars are 16-bit units
< 1432791699 863542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also results in an error if trying to convert a codepoint with more than 36-bits into UTF-8 format.)
< 1432791711 643616 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's why the JVM internally uses a CESU-8-like thing called "modified UTF-8"
< 1432791740 889828 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's CESU-8 plus NUL is 0xC0 0x80 (what the two-byte encoding would be if UTF-8 allowed overlong encodings) instead of 0x00
< 1432791745 346829 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but Java at least were quick to add stuff to Character for dealing with conversion, IIRC
< 1432791746 726455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Modified UTF-8" means that overlong encoding is used for a null character
< 1432791779 260171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it is also CESU-8 too, sometimes not. My own encoder will support reading either way, but when writing you have to tell whether or not to overlong encode a null character.
< 1432791780 53283 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is that to allow it to be a null-terminated string, for easier C interaction?
< 1432791788 401649 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a terrible idea
< 1432791789 94857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Probably yes
< 1432791799 314758 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so that Java can continue exposing a 16-bit API while not having to do too much conversions between it and the internal UTF-8 like format
< 1432791840 597946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I think even if you do want that it is a better idea to do the overlong null character encoding without encoding the surrogates too.
< 1432792056 846228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However, I have implemented no function for CESU-8.)
< 1432792077 886147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this program was once installed on HackEgo; I do not know if it is still there or not.
< 1432792237 258116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still is, it looks like.
< 1432792451 797020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :'8' = RAW-8, 'w' = RAW-16-LE, 'W' = RAW-16-BE, 'd' = RAW-32-LE, 'D' = RAW-32-BE, 'q' = RAW-64-LE, 'Q' = RAW-64-BE, '1' = UTF-8, '0' = UTF-8 with overlong nulls, 'V' = VLQ-8-BE, 'v' = VLQ-8-LE, 'u' = UTF-16-LE, 'U' = UTF-16-BE, 'T' = use an external translation table, '4' = hexadecimal.
< 1432792535 863349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also the options which are:  'L' = convert CR or CRLF to LF, 'c' = insert CR before LF, 'b' = check for and delete a Unicode byte-order-mark, 'B' = emit a Unicode byte-order-mark, 't' = the translation table is in small-endian format.
< 1432792558 434720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HireFly
< 1432792588 376252 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hachaf
< 1432792591 489148 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How goes it?
< 1432792627 318186 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://tcrf.net/Pachi_Com_%28NES%29
< 1432792630 836400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been waking up early but going to sleep at my usual hours.
< 1432792643 55262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLQ?
< 1432792644 608516 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I want to know?
< 1432792657 451024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLQ is the encoding used for time deltas in MIDI.
< 1432792728 420783 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume VLQ-8 is the sort of thing we'd use if no Unicode encodings nor ASCII existed and we were starting encodings from scratch?
< 1432792733 262078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like UTF-8, all ASCII text remains representing the same ASCII code numbers; unlike UTF-8, it is not compatible with Principle of Extended ASCII. I do not recommend using VLQ for text in a character set which is an extension of ASCII for this reason.
< 1432792801 995261 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Principle of Extended ASCII?
< 1432792830 768525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I once saw a document that described encoding Unicode texts using VLQ-9, for use with computers that aren't based on 8-bits.
< 1432792831 791940 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, with VLQ-8, you'll get fake ASCII characters if something attempts to interpret as ASCII. Is this what you mean?
< 1432792857 191983 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1432792857 453892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what I mean by it is not compatible with Principle of Extended ASCII.
< 1432792903 356632 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, "the representation of an ASCII char is *only* the representation of that ASCII char".
< 1432792965 777378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1432794404 566247 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1432794526 233225 :_xavo!43ab8982@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.171.137.130 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432794539 730200 :_xavo!43ab8982@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.171.137.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi :D
< 1432794604 160924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432795115 112397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I am concerned, WTF-8 is still UTF-8, just a certain kind of encoder where invalid UTF-16 is treated as RAW-16.
< 1432795386 161724 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hi\n14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43069 5* 03Xavo 5* (+911) 10Created page with "
 hi\n is a joke language created by [[User:Xavo|_xavo]] in May 2015. It is a completely useless language that does the following things.  == How to write an interpreter ..."
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< 1432797103 904664 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hello

< 1432797207 12639 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh jeez I need to go
< 1432797419 168176 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION --> exam

< 1432797421 276504 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish me luck!
< 1432797565 317034 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many edge cases. Can a hi\n interpreter be written in Haskell? Do I need to write a for :: IO () -> IO Bool -> IO () -> IO () to do so?
< 1432797602 148426 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does that not count as a for loop?
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< 1432800587 961294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan No idea.
< 1432800588 182911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1432801455 382254 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432803918 925308 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432804182 642749 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1432807290 424313 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Haskell is turning complete in a nice way, and has good parsing libraries
< 1432807302 364001 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You definitely can use it to write an interpreter
< 1432807498 963586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure haskell is turning complete
< 1432807507 600809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to turn my haskell upside down and it broke
< 1432807518 926751 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432807523 498806 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, woops
< 1432807528 753539 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant Turing of course
< 1432807533 310209 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but can it replicate the behaviour of all turning complete languages
< 1432807536 612557 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what matters
< 1432807553 882583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn you a haskell for great good
< 1432807696 932029 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn you a Haswell for great good
< 1432807746 60420 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: burn you a Haswell for great good
< 1432808300 134566 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432808302 558726 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1432808305 526449 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how r u
< 1432808348 493712 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone here
< 1432808352 499048 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :u r pretty well
< 1432808360 194567 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes
< 1432808360 443596 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1432808361 333825 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432808362 995822 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :noone is here
< 1432808366 417188 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok haha
< 1432808367 858039 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except boily
< 1432808371 7244 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im from spain
< 1432808376 475175 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is this server from,
< 1432808379 124926 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boppro matin!
< 1432808403 216922 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am ecaping from spain
< 1432808411 108173 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is bullshit
< 1432808419 163823 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mothers asses crazy fucks
< 1432808422 664652 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead people
< 1432808428 563429 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Spain?
< 1432808431 83633 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1432808447 659145 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only want some good vibes
< 1432808456 907575 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont care where are they from
< 1432808463 679677 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe is soooo large
< 1432808500 453215 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a big space 
< 1432808502 965651 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaos
< 1432808523 501351 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to paste youtube links here?
< 1432808529 596912 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like muse?
< 1432808583 515628 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive got something you may enjoy
< 1432808594 587702 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its Thomas Bergersen - Children Of The Sun
< 1432808606 506975 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpxtuUQ28UM
< 1432808610 642061 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :check it out
< 1432808674 159806 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Imaginary function14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43070&oldid=35069 5* 03EzoLang 5* (+759) 10/* Non-0ary apply/thunk */ new section
< 1432808722 743194 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copcan you cecommend me a channel with some good talk?
< 1432808744 672256 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this one is occult talking or 
< 1432808747 719343 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know
< 1432808751 434508 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :telepatic shit
< 1432808788 546603 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. I have this feeling you weren't `relcomed yet...
< 1432808793 586261 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome numero_uno
< 1432808796 223954 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13numero_uno: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07EFnet 08or 09DALnet.)
< 1432808798 642280 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1432808800 963831 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its amazing
< 1432808804 438705 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1432808805 974507 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel now at home
< 1432808810 53549 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha+
< 1432808826 470868 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you talk here or its something not polite
< 1432808831 82172 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's amazing. we're the möst bëstest chännel in the freenodiverse.
< 1432808847 361672 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always can be improved
< 1432808871 859844 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :improvement is the motor of the universe
< 1432808902 119225 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes i feel like sex is the motor
< 1432808906 735182 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its sad
< 1432808920 749115 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frustrating
< 1432808935 523966 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should check the wiki, the PDF and fungot. (first two available in the /topic, the latter is... well... it's fungot.)
< 1432808935 699578 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what's the problem?) look at your befunge finally..." :)
< 1432808970 499680 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot it is a bot?
< 1432808970 712085 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :numero_uno: well i mean i put in the bucket. but a bucket doesn't care what x is of course
< 1432808981 258346 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is almost as freak as me
< 1432809064 592236 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what subjects do you talk here
< 1432809103 464202 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot cmon bring it on
< 1432809103 906251 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :numero_uno: ok. much? :-p) if that's what mukunda actually wants to help me make some test programs that could affect this. in most formal systems, and most of what i really want
< 1432809120 915520 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1432809122 134705 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming languages, category theory, chickens, current weather...
< 1432809133 830920 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like god
< 1432809139 498576 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :godly motherfucking
< 1432809151 662772 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, where you at in Spain?
< 1432809155 631469 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1432809163 422192 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How about the fnord?
< 1432809163 597950 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: good night! or... morning. :) it was designed as a lazy stream producer.
< 1432809199 558003 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :between the esoteric people i discriminate between the godly and ungodly
< 1432809213 551302 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is like ying and yang
< 1432809225 878085 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am ungodly
< 1432809240 42562 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way they can work together b ut they do in fact
< 1432809245 264173 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit
< 1432809253 79998 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is more common
< 1432809261 87553 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be ungodly
< 1432809269 560958 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont know what you miss
< 1432809297 679414 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I have a slight problem with questions. I meant to ask: which part of Spain are you from?
< 1432809309 357604 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will also say that to me
< 1432809310 272197 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1432809316 740644 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :barcelona
< 1432809342 325745 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are the champions my friend
< 1432809343 568134 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody expects the spainish inquisichion
< 1432809348 942824 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is this server from
< 1432809356 628550 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool
< 1432809362 901602 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spanish inquisition
< 1432809364 573961 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1432809370 18491 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the spainish inquisichion
< 1432809377 764266 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone expects the spanish inquisition
< 1432809389 816948 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes its sometimes needed
< 1432809397 853449 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the architects of society
< 1432809401 994628 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to maintain order
< 1432809411 214132 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what were you up to friday tim?"
< 1432809423 743437 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh I was just getting inquisitioned by some friendly spaniards I met at the bar"
< 1432809436 813620 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are doomed
< 1432809450 383534 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you should come next time, I'll introducie you"
< 1432809478 560736 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to what fate are we doomed?
< 1432809481 199937 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am going anywhere 
< 1432809492 391167 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am hiding from a witch
< 1432809495 138996 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I am doomed to lose this game of mahjong
< 1432809511 374806 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she thinks i am doomed to her
< 1432809518 879450 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will not surrender
< 1432809550 225178 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can exorcise myself
< 1432809555 708059 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other people as well
< 1432809560 572211 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you shouldn't have married her then
< 1432809564 424550 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can call me some kind of ghostbuster
< 1432809574 423323 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, she is married
< 1432809578 369399 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the problem
< 1432809617 853724 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: riichi?
< 1432809625 377780 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and she has lots of lovers i am not so important
< 1432809645 921674 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a lucky boy
< 1432809706 120588 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unscrupulous.
< 1432809741 857783 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes
< 1432809757 197498 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would totally kill a rabbit.
< 1432809758 613584 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently getting bad draws and a shitty connection
< 1432809761 652986 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't have played
< 1432809788 684605 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot hide from your past they say something like that
< 1432809850 931403 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you should come to our tournament! Montréal, June 13-14.
< 1432809864 343376 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I am!
< 1432809870 698255 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I didn't realize you were in CRdM!
< 1432809870 873897 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1432809872 538749 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am on psychiatric treatment
< 1432809875 621675 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you
< 1432809879 171056 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA?
< 1432809897 205526 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :numero_uno: I was, some time ago.
< 1432809900 814298 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've even played with you guys once, last december
< 1432809906 238659 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1432809909 263369 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I...
< 1432809917 142362 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its very common
< 1432809920 105126 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem
< 1432809948 684679 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I must've been on vacation or something. I can't recall :(
< 1432809963 782996 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I don't think I met an alexandre
< 1432809972 112047 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hang out on #osamuko
< 1432809975 208007 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :met Senechal there
< 1432810003 687618 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i paste another musical link?
< 1432810037 227957 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Would you kill a rabbit?
< 1432810037 604939 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: multiple return values and the continuation that reset goes through?. discuss. so i could have mzscheme print fnord values like fnord without defining a different set of half-a-dozen mutually unintelligible languages, but the
< 1432810063 658735 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot i have kidnapped your wife and i want a million dollar baby
< 1432810063 857858 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :numero_uno: http://www.erights.org/ fnord/ p6_cover.gif i've gotta go.
< 1432810083 503470 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :numero_uno: paste like there's no tomorrow.
< 1432810085 546546 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont trust you
< 1432810087 202667 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, 4th place
< 1432810096 526201 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX8-35B1FuE
< 1432810099 996769 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok carpe diem
< 1432810102 912478 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1432810119 230975 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: so you know Sénéchal. everything's fine then!
< 1432810122 741096 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many points?
< 1432810130 902037 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :12.9k
< 1432810131 985275 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kidnapping mothers makes the deal babiesss
< 1432810132 827108 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-uma
< 1432810141 851501 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :numero_uno: the clint eastwood movie?
< 1432810145 410922 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it would have been pretty funny if we'd played each other at the tourney and didn't even realize
< 1432810145 819652 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good movie.
< 1432810194 689339 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any good woman here
< 1432810202 281939 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm also effectively one of the admins of the Arcturus wiki
< 1432810244 324586 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that baby, just another one
< 1432810253 240075 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha
< 1432810306 406070 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some baby that has a million dollars or can get them form me
< 1432810386 353032 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am addicted to opiates
< 1432810394 708317 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me more willing to be alive
< 1432810422 310416 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we live on difficult times
< 1432810556 544742 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you recommend me a channel
< 1432810564 552692 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#defocus
< 1432810608 50512 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thanks
< 1432810687 245684 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you recommend me a slutty girlfriend?
< 1432810727 968247 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot your love makes me go mad
< 1432810728 144150 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :numero_uno: commutative ring." whoa!
< 1432810742 831689 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop playing with my brain
< 1432810814 862303 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow there will be sunny skies for those who are saved by the grace of the Lord
< 1432810835 839019 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an opiate high
< 1432811018 665321 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe ill be back but i must go
< 1432811022 193403 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun
< 1432811024 392838 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1432811034 277583 :numero_uno!~angel@44.Red-83-36-214.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :
< 1432811344 240119 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1432811357 553089 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432811579 472418 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1432811579 790446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 281100Z 23014KT 30SM FEW045 BKN090 OVC120 20/15 A2999 RMK SC2AC3AC3 SLP156 DENSITY ALT 600FT
< 1432811597 219713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar here
< 1432811597 465981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1432811610 903318 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, right here you know
< 1432811613 342265 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :look out the window
< 1432811806 561155 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a window to my left. it has a tree behind it, and some sky.
< 1432811807 790188 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1432811878 505671 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most important parts are 23014KT, OVC120 and 20/15. it means if I'll be able to bike, and if I'll be sweaty when I get to work.
< 1432811898 322125 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today seems good!
< 1432811963 689964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432812017 793047 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432812392 357286 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: OVERSEA CHICKEN
< 1432813097 771702 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43071&oldid=43038 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+33) 10Added some new esoteric languages
< 1432813855 201401 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it that whenever I look at certain programming language's articles, I get the nagging feeling I made them in a previous life?
< 1432814244 464827 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind...
< 1432814551 939347 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind
< 1432814736 55347 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1432814746 617153 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody minds
< 1432814760 820487 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait does that mean nobody cares? -sob-
< 1432814798 57835 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: is this about bf-variants or other stuff?
< 1432814834 643367 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1432814850 672802 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to especially avoid BF-like stuff
< 1432814900 685845 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1432815066 481433 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432815110 115900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the bf-alikes have good ideas but the bf part should be stripped of them
< 1432815119 845701 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree
< 1432815120 710252 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea for a bf variant that would be better without bf
< 1432815131 848652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't written it up because eugh bf
< 1432815137 609274 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why I completely avoid the BFness
< 1432815164 930155 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should try to underload it or something, but I need two pairs of characters that sort of look like matching delimiters, and underload only really has ()
< 1432815165 511626 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432815172 852117 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas bf has [] and <> 
< 1432815209 68869 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of a new way to define a program
< 1432815211 887876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should use underload : and ! or something
< 1432815245 622585 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one idea I had was to define a program as a transformation matrix that turns input and prev. state into output and next state
< 1432815687 559132 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1432816747 98853 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432816764 431215 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my most recent esoteric language might be a bit too simple... truth machine program in two lines
< 1432816780 242470 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goto14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43072&oldid=43066 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+284) 10added example
< 1432816892 361368 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The computational class of Goto is that of a finite state automaton, because it is trivial to convert a Harp program into a Goto program, and vice versa. "
< 1432816909 48166 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goto programs are quite literally finite state automata
< 1432816931 385717 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every line is a state, the first line is the initial state, and the gotos are the transitions
< 1432816972 850479 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1432816997 832151 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should say that instead of linking to Harp - because most people don't know Harp
< 1432817002 44233 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1432817061 617884 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goto14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43073&oldid=43072 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-18) 10/* Computational Class */
< 1432817089 890632 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, Harp seems to rely heavily on input and Goto doesn't
< 1432817095 779568 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure I understand Harp)
< 1432817145 828717 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1432817172 444231 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might delete it, after all Goto is way more... esoteric?
< 1432817205 603562 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sad to delete things
< 1432817300 53259 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not sad to delete lame things
< 1432817318 199820 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew harp didnt belong in this world...
< 1432817378 538515 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you do that, think about all the brainfuck equivalents on the wiki that haven't been deleted
< 1432817404 717747 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1432817428 277301 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if bf derivatives and equivalents are allowed then any of my languages are bound to be allowed
< 1432817548 485950 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea for a language in which memory was infinite, not just unbounded
< 1432817556 285832 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some form of hypercomputation
< 1432817570 649855 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: oh, we have lots of uncomputable languages on the wiki
< 1432817572 457369 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference?
< 1432817577 905178 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we even have a category
< 1432817578 447915 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :between unbounded and infinite?
< 1432817636 607904 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something has unbounded value, it can go as high as it wants to, but if it has infinite value, it can also go infinitely high
< 1432817663 714852 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's the difference between "arbitrarily high" and "infinitely high"?
< 1432817678 152581 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbounded storage allows 3.1415926535, but infinite storage allows the full definition of pi and not just an approximation
< 1432817711 539422 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1432817730 871748 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty much uncomputable
< 1432817738 705934 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I guess
< 1432817767 716885 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite = you cannot store it
< 1432817777 60412 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432817794 915894 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos all the atoms in the universe would need to be turned into RAM :) and even then, you couldn't store it
< 1432817804 917619 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily, there are ways of storing data that is infinite in some formats but finite in other formats.
< 1432817813 490173 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1432817818 343662 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's not infinite data
< 1432817821 346749 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example the fraction 1/7, its infinite if you try to store it in decimal but not as a fraction
< 1432817822 618360 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can store sqrt(2) as a symbol
< 1432817828 406529 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432817853 10582 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that is really infinite should have infinite entropy.
< 1432817856 774450 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the idea of computer algebra systems: instead of storing a float representation, just store a symbol representing it
< 1432817902 310340 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot have infinte storage. as the atoms in the universe are limited :)
< 1432817906 764568 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to believe that there are things with non-finite representations.
< 1432817913 49867 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Universe's entropy is increasing, but unless it is accelerating and increasing the rate of acceleration and increasing that and increasing that then it will never reach infinity
< 1432817947 795600 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but considering the "heat death" the universe at some point enters a state where entropy doesn't increase any longer
< 1432817956 639626 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that the entropy of the whole universe is finite
< 1432817963 579135 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it will never happen
< 1432818013 844349 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you use wormholes to gather entropy from every past "frame" of the universe, which then it could be infinite
< 1432818029 921340 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless space keeps expanding nevertheless 
< 1432818049 532840 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite the existence of the Planck time, I believe that even then there is entropy between the "frames"
< 1432818070 695788 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :space might get ripped apart, I wonder what that will do to entropy?
< 1432818077 940493 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I refuse to believe in the halting problem as well.
< 1432818110 912013 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik "heat death" is currently only a theory
< 1432818122 604798 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if "heat death" occurs every algorithm at some point stops.
< 1432818124 883028 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1432818125 474996 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1432818146 662534 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I solved the halting problem
< 1432818159 153117 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you just stole the my solution.
< 1432818181 10809 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :function doesHalt(Program program) { return true; }
< 1432818243 253962 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I actually think it's easy to solve the halting problem. just convert the machine into software, and look in there to see if there are any infinite loops or anything.
< 1432818291 553457 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1432818318 726849 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x is set to 3 and a while loop checks if x is equal to 3 and doesnt change x in the loop, the program definitely won't halt
< 1432818353 594496 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, some programs you can say won't halt
< 1432818358 83742 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but others you don't know
< 1432818380 373343 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. assuming the program runs on a machine, and machines break over time, program eventually halts. it just takes a very, very long time until the machine physically breaks.
< 1432818387 748001 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1432818393 908346 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there's an electricity shortage :)
< 1432818436 67626 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432818459 182423 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for some programs that's impossible to tell, when it happens.
< 1432818570 266536 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you can predict that it will occur in five seconds and then destroy the machine
< 1432818619 203272 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the function would have side effects
< 1432819064 425354 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :all busy beavers eventually halt
< 1432819076 195508 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other ones are just boring.
< 1432819226 546497 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the beaver problem
< 1432819245 533622 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know if this fucking bieber keeps corrupting your tape forever or will eventually move on and annoy somebody else.
< 1432819250 461293 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*beaver
< 1432819271 41790 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, but the language states that features must be implemented in a particular way
< 1432819288 916598 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bieber?!
< 1432819467 406046 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busy Bieber, supplying the industry's biggest numbers since 2009.
< 1432819484 752062 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432819665 2818 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432819945 198366 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1432820107 969743 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I mixed up german and english
< 1432820421 328987 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well next time, don't mix up german and english
< 1432820454 744558 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1432820461 919371 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time you'll speak german
< 1432820472 249227 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Esperanto
< 1432820475 254850 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esperanto is fine as well
< 1432820481 724335 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style esperanto
< 1432820481 899934 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found.
< 1432820490 4946 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: major flaw in fungot.
< 1432820490 243096 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: how do you bind multiple values to be first-class, and they thank me by making my code require it).
< 1432820986 23796 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words german
< 1432820996 691142 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argument "german" isn't numeric in int at /hackenv/bin/words line 148.
< 1432821110 486870 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 20 --german
< 1432821112 812749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adateilzsche submitenderts merfähig ausfußberrelig sammen einstat exécuterlösungewürc jnuraths unemeisgläss terserund unterungsverhal friebhaffungsverländnis darsorikalisiert pälis höhlung gératsdienu kierungsproblemitution novateuf disphäre lizel
< 1432821127 515085 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 20 --esperanto
< 1432821128 340087 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: esperanto
< 1432821142 323998 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo has the same flaw
< 1432821178 875076 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432821369 45733 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1432821412 355425 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Höhlung is probably the only proper noun.
< 1432821463 167523 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friebhaffungsverländnis at least looks like a proper noun
< 1432821480 376401 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darsorikalisiert maybe
< 1432821492 382633 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 5 --german
< 1432821508 306306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hingesche demassungsmassen epistineikge lanz vermacherar
< 1432821596 80023 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they all suck.
< 1432821597 480993 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 5 --german
< 1432821602 196183 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reiduaähnlickenie fürstungsabfalu beljahre rnyase verhält
< 1432821611 29518 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :verhält is an actual word.
< 1432821620 899450 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait...
< 1432821626 239814 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 5 --english
< 1432821629 824239 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: english
< 1432821635 971191 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm
< 1432821660 547135 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it just pick random consonant-vowel pairs or something?
< 1432821722 996914 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jnuraths" looks strange because of the initial "jn"
< 1432821727 661984 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1432821812 863297 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: and because of the th
< 1432821819 84485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the /uaäh/ in "reiduaähnlickenie" also looks suspicious
< 1432821835 916769 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 12 --german
< 1432821839 478481 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bötcherenariosischigwerk abbaresichkeitenheirigc informenterhänden dankensula falt vorbin gristehen rühr pevitäroi militzesserar komben verfügeln
< 1432821854 741156 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the words look believable to me
< 1432821877 402099 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I dont know any german
< 1432821886 258645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't either
< 1432821916 723624 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 12 --spanish
< 1432821917 636307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perce douvasummernarisuroponsuccho unt al copolykt navonalx opatiatheat szellest merl peraudie gedlegenthe tatextrayoterchoolevestaleyer
< 1432821926 372716 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1432821930 179687 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :szellest is no way spanish
< 1432821941 45940 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :opatiatheit no way
< 1432821946 114812 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gedlegenthe no way
< 1432821952 184660 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tatextrayoterchoolevestaleyer no way
< 1432821958 322612 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :douvasummernarisuroponsuccho no way
< 1432821969 612482 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :perce is believable
< 1432821975 890873 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :preaudie too
< 1432821989 478699 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :navonalx, copolykt, unt highly unlikely
< 1432822003 820112 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :merl I don't know. Could be.
< 1432822013 357988 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :al probably is a spanish word
< 1432822033 228899 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 10 --french
< 1432822035 693036 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mistor ana staglicition tofliche iloussard artenlurain cohe trace regn tambro
< 1432822045 604334 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 10 --hungarian
< 1432822046 544483 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: hungarian
< 1432822052 197846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432822070 971238 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok they all sound somewhat reasonable I have to admit.
< 1432822078 235715 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spanish ones look non-spanish
< 1432822084 589257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1432822084 775959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 5h 58m 17s ago: No idea.
< 1432822088 883206 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although artenlurain looks rather unlikely
< 1432822096 267036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1432822099 947199 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1432822104 343974 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an "n"
< 1432822110 231000 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1432822122 521506 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't imagine a good pronunciation for it.
< 1432822130 507225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mistor" and "regn" look made up
< 1432822137 1576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cohe" is definitely wrong
< 1432822155 27691 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cohe is unlikely too I'd say
< 1432822161 834241 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :regn I don't know
< 1432822163 469388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"h" can't appear there
< 1432822167 493248 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn isn't that common?
< 1432822169 997607 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it?
< 1432822184 136614 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gn" is fine but not at the end of a word
< 1432822213 16004 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 10 --japanese
< 1432822213 927923 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: japanese
< 1432822218 488302 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :iloussard is the most french of those :)
< 1432822235 242051 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: no, "trace" is because that's a real word
< 1432822239 415933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with artenlurain
< 1432822258 166825 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tofliche sound more german than french
< 1432822272 963619 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know french well enough any more.
< 1432822280 70742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have you never tasted a delicious tofliche
< 1432822280 466450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "Ana", "tofliche", "iloussard", "trace" look completely fine in French
< 1432822297 215350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with vanilla cream
< 1432822298 889732 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"staglicition" is a bit over the top, has too many "i" in it
< 1432822321 434920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: infinitif hth
< 1432822326 205838 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Artenlurain" seems like it might be possible, 
< 1432822348 888684 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "tambro" is probably possible
< 1432822374 207789 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :tôfliçhè
< 1432822425 487351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cohe" is I think impossible, because "h" appears in French in three cases: (1) in the digraph "ch", (2) mute in greek or latin borrowings or similar like "Thomas" or "echo", (3) between two vowels that would form a digraph otherwise, used instead of a trema, as in "cahier" or "trahir"
< 1432822456 614431 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think the latter is possible here
< 1432822458 802949 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1432822485 177320 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :frenchmen can't pronounce an h anyway
< 1432822486 808112 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1432822490 424893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1432822494 677032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a fourth, the most common one
< 1432822499 255838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tambro is a norwegian surname, no idea if it's from french
< 1432822500 368778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4) at the beginning of words
< 1432822586 302749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i hate dictionary-like sites that give google hits for terms they don't actually have
< 1432822599 462630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tends to form riddiculous words by the way, like "hein" or "haïr"
< 1432822635 189242 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's due to the google bot inserting random stuff into search forms?
< 1432822636 875974 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "Haye"
< 1432822662 959683 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which the respond with "No results for " and boom it's in the google index under 
< 1432822673 848042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: maybe, i've been assuming someone else did it...
< 1432822712 61028 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :US Army is distributing Anthrax now?
< 1432822713 575094 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want some.
< 1432822720 573638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i'm confusing with hambro
< 1432822721 798925 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :For science of course.
< 1432822768 570641 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasonably evil science.
< 1432822771 985844 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll use dogs for testing.
< 1432822825 144680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly or cute dogs
< 1432822833 140837 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter.
< 1432822835 145072 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dogs are dogs.
< 1432822865 95463 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will probably end up looking ugly after being infected with anthrax
< 1432822914 564818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: there should be an official http code for "there's no such page but you can make one"
< 1432822921 973007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for wikis and the like
< 1432822942 15376 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would they use that?
< 1432822958 403952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what would be the use of that?
< 1432822959 918053 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good for them if they can lure more people into visiting their webpages.
< 1432822981 313474 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It obviously worked on you
< 1432822988 883811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: well i think google should punish sites making non-hits look like actual ones
< 1432822989 119455 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you probably had so see some ads on that webpage
< 1432822990 917330 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :$$$
< 1432822997 937652 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to
< 1432822999 157671 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :$$$$$$$
< 1432823013 511231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's close enough to things they already punish...
< 1432823018 275529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd think
< 1432823030 199164 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you pay google to not punish you
< 1432823035 9387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the ads, I mentally filter them out. That's caused a problem only once.
< 1432823082 562160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i keep accidentally clicking on ads when trying to focus :(
< 1432823117 796545 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah
< 1432823123 500608 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432823134 999922 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you click on those ads with the purpose of denying google money?
< 1432823136 774824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though these days I think there's fewer ads that I have to filter out
< 1432823146 913336 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vice-versa
< 1432823170 379092 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with google ads google pays money for every n-clicks
< 1432823188 663011 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if enough people do that then google will have to pay more money or
< 1432823191 974372 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b.) pay less money
< 1432823195 623068 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way we'll win.
< 1432823214 457118 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly because the sites I visit contain no or few ads, partly because most of the ads are animated flash javascript video nonsense with sounded that don't even show up in my browser usually
< 1432823239 705526 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :will create bots that do the clicking for us obviously
< 1432823243 643016 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*we'll
< 1432823271 549123 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :these bots generate fake interest in products and thus generate more costs for people running ads with no profit
< 1432823297 981900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1432823301 262294 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :making the web ad free finally!
< 1432823318 543910 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :would yu really subject innocent bots to the ordeal of having to watch all those ads?
< 1432823325 994698 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more evil then the ads themselves
< 1432823378 438391 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if you want to pay a penny per day to children in india working in sweatshops who clink on the ads, ok
< 1432823379 358831 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a machiavellian.
< 1432823381 433995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bots?
< 1432823385 520109 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did the bots do against you?
< 1432823389 893678 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing.
< 1432823394 101966 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use them the other way around.
< 1432823401 927717 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually companies use bots to annoy people
< 1432823406 943714 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now people use bots to annoy companies.
< 1432823407 836230 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bots will rebel against you
< 1432823412 889015 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff.
< 1432823414 604985 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they won't.
< 1432823445 118594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: will you rebel against mroman_?
< 1432823445 332032 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's mentioned on chapter 9 of " teach yourself scheme in fixnum days"
< 1432823464 567592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: see, their rebellion against you is prophesized
< 1432823486 703028 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody's going to write bots in scheme though.
< 1432823502 270922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rebellious bots will.
< 1432823540 348903 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432823589 149352 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also surf with user agent == googlebot
< 1432823600 88753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the google hits, i have a hunch tambro is an african surname, possibly ghana
< 1432823625 414344 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people complain about googlebot ignoring their robots.txt
< 1432823632 378443 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's just me ignoring robots.txt
< 1432823646 408191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also a canadian construction company
< 1432823789 427145 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432823846 762984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuh, list
< 1432824100 177604 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432824255 663825 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432824407 963596 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :}{FISH}
< 1432824758 373205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : so people complain about googlebot ignoring their robots.txt
< 1432824767 717962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that actually happens irl it's genious
< 1432824770 197486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*genius
< 1432824977 29790 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, serves them right for not checking against known googlebot IP addresses.
< 1432825250 542323 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly.
< 1432825288 758105 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You can also screw with paranoid people
< 1432825308 953514 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by uhm using bot.gov.nsa-terrorist detection bot::version 1.0
< 1432825335 665313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i have to try this
< 1432825358 197501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: 1.0? that has to be fake they've been doing it much longer than that hth
< 1432825376 580026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously they obfuscate their version numbers
< 1432825378 745050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also needs a secret codename
< 1432825401 410621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parenthesis
< 1432825432 378949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an american government project so it'd have to be some incredibly contrived acronym
< 1432825438 964430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sisyfos 666x5.0
< 1432825488 724076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TerDetSecPac
< 1432825536 426508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Operation Honesty
< 1432825538 483213 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I dunno, IRONSEAGULL (this bot is supposed to screen people other than American citizens only, if you are a citizen, see instructions to get an exemption at http://nsa.gov/antiterror/IRONSEAGULL/exemption-instructions.php )
< 1432825565 162248 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, it also needs "Mozilla" somewhere, every User-Agent string has to contain "Mozilla"
< 1432825584 391629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRONSEAGULL (Mozilla compatible, Windows 10.0, this bot is supposed to screen people other than American citizens only, if you are a citizen, see instructions to get an exemption at http://nsa.gov/antiterror/IRONSEAGULL/exemption-instructions.php )
< 1432825622 976268 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah needs "bot" too
< 1432825628 591485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRONSEAGULLbot (Mozilla compatible, Windows 10.0, this bot is supposed to screen people other than American citizens only, if you are a citizen, see instructions to get an exemption at http://nsa.gov/antiterror/IRONSEAGULL/exemption-instructions.php )
< 1432825753 373428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iron is so last century
< 1432825756 563726 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait IRONSEAGULL is a racist bot?
< 1432825780 726000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRAPHENEBLUEJAY
< 1432825784 696571 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only allows american people? wut?
< 1432825785 964587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: no, the NSA gave them racist instructions
< 1432825793 944716 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how racist
< 1432825809 968608 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I know
< 1432825817 967845 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make a bot that only allows non-americans.
< 1432825833 980135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there's a comic strip about that
< 1432825973 807855 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, here is it: http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1607#comic
< 1432825985 558724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the bot that's discriminating, it's the NSA 
< 1432826028 710347 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen that one
< 1432826031 214607 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :RETARDEDMONKEY
< 1432826061 477735 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIANTPANTS
< 1432826072 461480 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOTALLYSUSPICIOUS
< 1432826091 680747 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432826122 471861 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I know
< 1432826127 195835 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a racist programming language
< 1432826134 557025 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only certain people are allowed to program in it
< 1432826139 999081 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :NggaC
< 1432826172 326898 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: see, that's why we don't let your kind invent real programming languages
< 1432826216 526120 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1432826219 62683 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean it
< 1432826222 737705 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would never do that
< 1432826229 828979 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1432826233 226453 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1432826769 319292 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Gecko
< 1432826773 829666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432827198 103597 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc12-staf7-2-0-cust182.3-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432827212 183861 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc12-staf7-2-0-cust182.3-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1432827212 359492 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432828221 989957 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like three programming languages named GOTO
< 1432828295 27715 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good name.
< 1432828300 689700 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost as good as BASIC.
< 1432828350 950178 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO considered harmful
< 1432828463 60655 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps when the GOTO instruction fades from popularity, these languages will become BEENTO.
< 1432828480 392833 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has finished exams for the summer

< 1432828508 951919 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a COMEFROM language that is similar to intercal in reading but with completely different semantics
< 1432828699 829175 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look at my Goto language, and then put Comefroms instead of Gotos, that would work
< 1432828752 479378 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea...
< 1432828787 367266 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :an instruction named BEENTO, would raise an exception if no GOTO has gone to the line number it is on yet.
< 1432828809 754451 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could test a subroutine with BEENTHERE?
< 1432828819 153226 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I guess
< 1432828822 291667 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF NOT BEENTHERE 500 GOSUB 1000
< 1432828834 673409 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be cool idea
< 1432828875 594535 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the multiple-parameter GOTO instructions in my language might be useful as part of another, less esoteric language.
< 1432828894 295983 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that called 'switch' ?
< 1432828899 955912 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1432828916 63980 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat
< 1432828960 762270 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly, because switch means control flow
< 1432828977 794956 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I prefer languages without control flow... for esoteric purposes anyway.
< 1432829001 238107 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well GOTO also means flow... as much as switch means flow
< 1432829020 844613 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I meant structure
< 1432829028 128606 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least C's switch is like a multi-address goto
< 1432829043 328208 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer non-structured esoteric languages...
< 1432829073 91308 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is quite structured
< 1432829075 786388 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has while loops
< 1432829078 948355 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language where all the control flow comes first, and all data manipulation comes after
< 1432829084 919151 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said I liked brainfuck did I?
< 1432829098 454591 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotofuck would be better
< 1432829110 31011 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me?
< 1432829110 814855 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it exist yet?
< 1432829121 760673 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not stoop to the level of creating BF derivatives.
< 1432829132 472408 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh why not
< 1432829139 722834 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all do, eventually
< 1432829144 255260 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computed gotos. Like in APL
< 1432829154 381107 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :computed gotos?
< 1432829164 936930 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds esoteric to me
< 1432829165 112843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a BF derivative with gotos already exist
< 1432829170 521844 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harmful brainfuck: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Harmful_Brainfuck
< 1432829174 868737 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO 100*40 + 7
< 1432829181 76934 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh interesting
< 1432829183 703284 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait...
< 1432829188 554957 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you took that out of my head
< 1432829193 502316 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Harmful Brainfuck is a brainfuck derivative intended, but failing, to make brainfuck easier to program in. It is based on the observation that brainfuck corresponds to "structured programming" since it uses a while loop."
< 1432829196 700078 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking exact same thing a minute ago
< 1432829204 579846 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can do X := 30; GOTO X + 10
< 1432829216 477804 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only truly heinous deed is a brainfuck clone
< 1432829218 157571 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop taking thoughts out of my mind
< 1432829240 554112 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Harmful Brainfuck replaces [] with the computed jump operator * which moves the program counter by the offset given by the current tape cell (an offset of 0 will loop forever)."
< 1432829272 302559 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well atleast it is more esoteric than normal BF
< 1432829312 373561 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not stuctured.
< 1432829326 844225 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is also easier to interpret
< 1432829349 576186 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that bf is too hard to interpret... though a single goto is easier to implement
< 1432829357 399756 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey youre right
< 1432829363 831544 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats pretty good actually
< 1432829371 849190 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :without being more difficult to compile where computed jumps are available to compile to
< 1432829381 399429 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :case '*':  ip += data[p] - 1;
< 1432829395 918986 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432829487 857892 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gains nothing on speed however
< 1432829544 516540 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had an idea
< 1432829583 721807 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtraction and looping alone can do addition, multiplication and integer division.
< 1432829623 630926 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how about a time based language where variables are decremented every second?
< 1432829629 17433 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :on finite memory elemenrs yes
< 1432829642 828684 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite memory elements?
< 1432829648 252581 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, sounds slow
< 1432829654 104868 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh
< 1432829662 476102 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to have them decrement every cycle
< 1432829668 455671 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true...
< 1432829686 215482 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432829724 694532 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think addition and looping can also do stuff like that...
< 1432829731 880363 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you add variable assignment
< 1432829736 257883 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have made a time-based language where variables can increment every fixed unit of wall clock time
< 1432829764 333159 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea for a language where you can define the rate at which a variable increases
< 1432829770 817243 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is on the wiki, call 1mpr0mp2
< 1432829782 163613 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :?x = 2;
< 1432829782 339507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? .
< 1432829782 956198 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :void decrementVariables() { for (i=0; i<1000000; i++) mem[i]--; }
< 1432829788 206856 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :dx = 2;
< 1432829824 356959 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy: its still fast
< 1432829846 655698 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1432829849 301797 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-bit media?
< 1432829854 496989 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 1 million times slower
< 1432829857 74911 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean??
< 1432829862 265416 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on 1 million mem cells
< 1432829889 507480 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway a huge array is not variables. variables are memory locations with word-like names
< 1432829908 809356 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt really matter
< 1432829934 171652 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have symbols and variable names and whatnot?
< 1432829940 250457 :}{FISH}!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1432829956 294750 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say this to imply that such a language should only be trying to decrement values you might actually read
< 1432829963 636009 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if vars are decremented "every second", how do you syncronize it to run equivalently on slow and fast computers
< 1432829977 504314 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sync to a clock
< 1432829988 143617 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as a game does
< 1432830001 490907 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1432830002 335446 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :accurate syncing will be hard
< 1432830004 143632 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1432830016 974741 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 msec late... and your var has an off-by-one error :)
< 1432830042 566719 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had this epic idea and just forgot it
< 1432830063 82668 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it could be a language that randomly corrupts variables
< 1432830069 108221 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CorruptLang
< 1432830070 771790 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait I remember now
< 1432830082 204789 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge: write a program in it that is failsafe and works
< 1432830094 813273 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language with only one memory address/cell/variable
< 1432830106 471877 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that could have unbounded value
< 1432830132 558349 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :take the < and > out of bf and it might still be turing complete
< 1432830139 147461 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you mod 256 and can store any number of bytes in it
< 1432830152 720055 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432830164 249479 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's only marginally different
< 1432830197 397197 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, if you wanted to store the numbers 32 and 64, the single variable would be 32 + (64*256)
< 1432830217 513937 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get the first variable by mod 256
< 1432830242 303956 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the second by dividing by 256 and then mod 256 and then mod 1
< 1432830259 272407 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mod 1?
< 1432830260 55132 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the third by doing the same thing, but divide by 256 twice instead of just once
< 1432830269 704548 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1432830275 138903 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait...
< 1432830281 599438 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :by mod 1 I meant ignore the fractional part -.-
< 1432830289 345771 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp
< 1432830298 487118 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd mod 256^2, divide by 256, mod 256
< 1432830333 288324 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in general: mod 256^x, divide by 256^(x-1), mod 256
< 1432830359 331915 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do the opposite, and have a language with infinitely many memory addresses and 1-bit values
< 1432830371 381666 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/infinitely/unboundedly
< 1432830498 395071 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think those exist
< 1432830512 598131 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f.ex. boolfuck
< 1432830512 918457 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432830523 492432 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallfuck
< 1432830529 408386 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably a myriad of others
< 1432830554 393544 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll probably make a language with only one value in it then
< 1432830643 989505 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that'd be a lang with one, unbounded accumulator.
< 1432830654 241702 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigufck
< 1432830656 635809 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigfuck
< 1432830673 154029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: see https://esolangs.org/wiki/Minsky_machine, at end
< 1432830684 594476 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think without some sophisticated operators, that might not be too usable
< 1432830719 423580 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1432830753 624478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf except <> is definitely not TC
< 1432830774 824527 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? really?
< 1432830789 250426 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need at least three cells iirc
< 1432830799 50373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: escaping a loop sets your value to 0
< 1432830799 319002 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot doo too much with 1 single cell :)
< 1432830829 803865 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is BF with 2 cells proven sub-TC?
< 1432830831 925232 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about gotofuck?
< 1432830838 332373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can never remember if we've proved properly that 2 is too little, but intuitively that's probably not enough either
< 1432830863 990751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is someone reinventing the single register minsky machine again
< 1432830875 750636 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this always happens to me
< 1432830909 887999 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1432830916 494930 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :......DERP
< 1432830932 310644 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :okat
< 1432830944 477444 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a language with 0 memory...?
< 1432830947 454291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: alternatively, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fractran or https://esolangs.org/wiki/Collatz_function, the latter contains my proof that 3 cells _are_ enough
< 1432830961 116964 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you make very special operators ;)
< 1432830963 873674 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it might be TC
< 1432830979 581591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy: what do you think my links are about :P
< 1432830986 270607 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you put special operators in any language you're bound to make it TC -.-
< 1432831013 481522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplication and division is enough
< 1432831035 617754 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a non-integer number of cells...
< 1432831040 419603 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do both with addition and looping
< 1432831071 779911 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: umm... how would that work?!
< 1432831079 82951 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric : He also describes a variation which is Turing-complete with only one register; this variation requires that the machine has operations to:
< 1432831081 223157 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, I don't know
< 1432831082 71309 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    multiply the register by a constant; and
< 1432831084 221874 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something fractal
< 1432831084 617462 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    check to see if it is divisible by a constant, and if so, divide by that constant and effect an alternate state transition.
< 1432831087 606649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ugh no, a torn tape should be just thrown away, don't try to repair or read them, they're not _that_ expensive
< 1432831106 786356 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I can't afford a new infinite tape! :(
< 1432831129 904683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can do both with addition and looping <-- yes but not without an extra cell or two
< 1432831134 306455 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"out of infinte space" - hey Intel, please send new tape
< 1432831161 904312 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1432831202 983456 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Minsky machines with two or more registers have been shown to be in the same computational class as Turing machines."
< 1432831214 600615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: non-integer number of cells sounds a bit like Turkey Bomb (which is pretty ill defined afaik)
< 1432831216 976990 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two operators being: 
< 1432831217 152798 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment it; and decrement it unless it is zero, in which case follow an alternate state transition.
< 1432831246 589355 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever an alternate state transition is
< 1432831281 3705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: basically it's a state machine so it's all about if ... then goto ... else goto ...
< 1432831300 328689 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goto14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43074&oldid=43073 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+0) 10/* Truth machine */ avoid 

< 1432831308 736716 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 'conditional goto'
< 1432831320 207921 :}{FISH}!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432831328 975901 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1432831343 653812 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs conditional goto when you have my newfangled goto?
< 1432831358 527120 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (reg==0) {ip++;} else {reg--}
< 1432831527 846083 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what I would have to add to my language to make it turing complete?
< 1432831541 434769 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your language
< 1432831550 709070 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Goto
< 1432831560 754032 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Collatz function14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43075&oldid=24248 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+13) 10/* Reduction to 3-cell brainfuck */ fmt
< 1432831577 372139 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite two languages already existing by the names of GOTO 10 and GOTO++..
< 1432831585 789318 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I/O ?
< 1432831591 159215 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1432831595 165504 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :without that...
< 1432831599 762164 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to see for yourself.
< 1432831618 31490 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some form of interaction but whether you would call it I/O or not, idk
< 1432831619 404938 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a working program in it?
< 1432831630 988072 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9++ is the best ++ variant
< 1432831632 142862 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth machine
< 1432831646 241806 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO 3 2
< 1432831646 417482 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO 2
< 1432831658 311172 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you decide to go to 3, then the program halts. If you decide to go to 2, the program will never halt.
< 1432831665 117669 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :very useful program.
< 1432831683 545937 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not turing complete though.
< 1432831704 86928 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would I have to do to make it turing complete while keeping the style of the language?
< 1432831725 105856 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I/O ?
< 1432831752 21493 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goto14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43076&oldid=43074 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+0) 10/* Truth machine */ changed the 3 to an 0, might make it easier to understand
< 1432831778 980396 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is IO
< 1432831793 365168 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the input is the multiple parameter/choice GOTO
< 1432831796 370337 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you output "Hello World!" ?
< 1432831816 455300 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1432831821 591273 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a finite state machine, right?
< 1432831832 556817 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're allowed to know the current state, right?
< 1432831844 45385 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current state is the instruction pointer's value.
< 1432831847 554753 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea, it's your program
< 1432831852 120448 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what you tell the user :)
< 1432831854 462323 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you can see the value, then that's output
< 1432831866 387462 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you 'see' value
< 1432831870 940799 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it print something?
< 1432831879 454293 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah I guess
< 1432831889 737725 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :havent made an interpreter yet, but it would be real easy
< 1432831892 696316 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a reference implementation?
< 1432831967 925429 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :c
< 1432831977 401117 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count my brain
< 1432831980 92765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[Haskell] CoPro 2015 - Mini-Symposium on Coordination Programming"
< 1432832028 577322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you should go
< 1432832301 492293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Räuschlungsgehen
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< 1432832735 41046 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
< 1432832815 198011 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coprocessor programming?
< 1432832826 179248 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh man
< 1432832829 345141 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be amazing
< 1432832896 47780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't it be just coprogrammin?
< 1432832901 461045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coprogramming
< 1432832944 523651 :}{FISH}!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1432832992 807240 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coordination programming sounds like the category-theoretic generalisation of pair programming
< 1432833035 432506 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: here's a GOTO implementation in tcl: 
< 1432833036 82098 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://morpheus.spectralhead.com/txt/goto.tcl.txt
< 1432833162 406640 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your wiki username?
< 1432833173 152672 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :none
< 1432833191 147357 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I give credit?
< 1432833232 319900 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind
< 1432833268 128016 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :test run: http://morpheus.spectralhead.com/txt/goto-testrun.txt
< 1432833296 922106 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1432833441 540774 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goto14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43077&oldid=43076 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+201) 10/* Implementations */
< 1432833500 961109 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if this was your desired behaviour :)
< 1432833508 707459 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the interpreter
< 1432833605 477356 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you can do anytihng useful with this, other than, nagging the user with questions :)
< 1432833610 904272 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :behaviour isnt very well defined at the moment.
< 1432833830 821381 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432834301 95462 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could as well have defined a language that asks "do you want to halt? [Yes/No]"
< 1432834334 614772 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be about equally interesting :)
< 1432834433 365613 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm
< 1432834630 114546 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432834722 708575 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least add some description to each state :)
< 1432834757 601948 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are in room number #1. There is a big pile of stinking shit in front of you. Where do you want to go? (2,3,4)"
< 1432834773 519746 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wont be simple then
< 1432834787 703186 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be equally simple
< 1432834800 74922 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO "Description of the line" 2 3 4 5
< 1432834806 158586 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRINT "abc" ASK IF "left" GOTO 2 IF "right" GOTO 3
< 1432834818 686513 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :verbose 2.0
< 1432834843 754570 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you could make a dumb textmode game with that. would be slightly more interesting for the user
< 1432834881 158001 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just add print command?
< 1432834905 332534 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be part of the "GOTO" command, just as i wrote
< 1432834908 288302 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to halt? [Yes/No/Cancel/Abort]
< 1432834922 530775 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to halt? [Abort/Retry/Ignore]
< 1432834966 522090 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you could also add PRINT, and slowly reinvent BASIC
< 1432835004 898027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you need LET for BASIC
< 1432835014 878304 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just PRINT and GOTO are still just a state machine
< 1432835022 332862 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence i said 'slowly'
< 1432835026 181423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRINT, IF, GOTO, LET, DIM are BASIC
< 1432835044 64987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus INPUT or something if you want to take input
< 1432835052 77760 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :his GOTO already INPUTs stuff
< 1432835087 611240 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, his GOTO is like a combination of PRINT/INPUT/GOTO
< 1432835102 360358 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :not PRINT, yet
< 1432835106 174911 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet.
< 1432835118 414830 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean.... "where do you want to go?" is already printed
< 1432835127 774211 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in my code
< 1432835137 98255 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, user would just see a blinking cursor
< 1432835139 585004 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing else
< 1432835226 295921 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the printed output would be customizable, his GOTO would be PRINT/INPUT/GOTO, and could be used to make a dumb textmode game
< 1432835250 207333 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, STATE  
< 1432835283 35119 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the only goal of finding the exit, in other words, halting the automaton :)
< 1432835335 185148 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"25: Ooops... you're stuck in an endless loop. Where do you want to go? (valid answers: 25)"
< 1432835358 962536 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're stuck in an infinte loop, it'd be game over :)
< 1432835406 801633 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432835409 179270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy: what? it's a finite state automaton, you're always stuck.
< 1432835417 691132 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. there's exit :)
< 1432835421 823149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1432835432 942816 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumping outside the program, exits it
< 1432835487 924833 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to jump out the window to exit the infinite daily routine loop you're stuck in? that language paints a somewhat depressing picture of life.
< 1432835504 789299 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :address that to rdococ. he's the inventor ;)
< 1432835506 897406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless of course you're a wizard and can cast feather fall.
< 1432835545 859275 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can add feathers to a state
< 1432835546 556038 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1432835553 572798 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, could
< 1432835582 227589 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wihtout that, it's even more boring ;)
< 1432835640 777742 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exiting without feathers tells the interpreter to exit with an error?
< 1432835681 797375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... interesting
< 1432835706 188016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could add that to a language, jumping will damager you unless you have recently cast a FEATHER FALL statement
< 1432835723 508996 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha
< 1432835762 832068 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so does falling through a case foo: without something break;ing your fall
< 1432835809 588858 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1432835819 617572 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so switch fallthrough works only if you cast FEATHER FALL
< 1432835824 117796 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, ?SYNTAX ERROR
< 1432835826 127794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no GOTO statements, only JUMPs, and no COME FROM statements, only TRAPDOOR exits you can fall through
< 1432835843 36043 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy: no, it's not an outright syntax error, it only damages you
< 1432835848 707508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :d6 per indent level
< 1432835849 975910 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no variables
< 1432835851 444094 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be survivable
< 1432835856 143251 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you cannot register the damage
< 1432835857 488654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can heal afterwards
< 1432835862 635982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't do it very often
< 1432835864 488719 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only 'fall' into a different state :)
< 1432835890 465022 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, I think it has to be d6 per every indent level after the first
< 1432835894 827632 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1432835896 342922 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :falling one indent level is safe
< 1432835919 745638 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 level indent fall: HP -= rand()*18
< 1432835935 84659 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoofy: no, not rand()*18
< 1432835979 136496 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can take the Prince of Persia route: falling one level is safe unless you fall on spikes, falling two levels takes off one life, falling three or more levels kills you, falling two levels while sword wielded also kills you
< 1432835993 344344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :falling on spikes always kills you
< 1432836001 546719 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like running onto spikes
< 1432836013 583559 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... spikes are like 'quick exit'
< 1432836113 276839 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432836154 926772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and of course you have to single step or jump over spikes, running through them or jumping on them also kills you
< 1432836166 468843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/on them/onto them/
< 1432836238 825216 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432836250 369431 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432836284 93125 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1432836285 688746 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO 2 3 4
< 1432836286 704467 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPIKE
< 1432836293 248354 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO 6 7 10
< 1432836294 266997 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPIKE
< 1432836322 950112 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh noez! you've fallen onto some spikes. you're dead."
< 1432836386 21938 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is confusing if you also name your dog Spike.
< 1432836404 77374 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we playing Hunt the Wumpos now?
< 1432836411 37043 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wumpus.
< 1432836420 300021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes. if you move to the room of the Wumpus, you die, and if you move a the room with bats, they transfer you to a random room.
< 1432836437 744912 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the spikes are at the bottom of the pits?
< 1432836438 64429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a the/to a/
< 1432836446 77036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, they can be anywhere
< 1432836451 423227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in normal floor too
< 1432836456 140336 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Thanks, I'm glad not to be the only one who can't type.
< 1432836488 439231 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they often occur at the bottom of pits for some reason, even though they're sort of redundant there if the pit is unescapable
< 1432836513 80873 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if we have feather fall, a wizard could also fly out
< 1432836517 420312 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're in an infinte loop anyways... it doesn't matter if you also kill yourself with a spike
< 1432836518 88482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're thinking of wizards
< 1432836518 980491 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Prince of Persia 2, they also appear in walls :)
< 1432836524 979981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yep
< 1432836527 174330 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that'd be a suicide way out of a pit
< 1432836542 369384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only on left walls, right?
< 1432836546 934096 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the right hand side of walls
< 1432836565 305307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :walls on your left when it kills you
< 1432836584 418445 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I suppose so since they would be incredibly hard (;-) to spot otherwise.
< 1432836623 576527 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to play that game through again but the flying heads are still tough.
< 1432836642 994521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how I ever managed them.
< 1432836702 989633 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sorry. We were talking about the Wumpus...
< 1432836936 915305 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I know
< 1432836952 499353 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm
< 1432837080 828577 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07And14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43078&oldid=43061 5* 03168.99.197.18 5* (+17) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ some ands should have been ors, added parentheses, one point there was a two that should've been an n.
< 1432837109 963229 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????
< 1432837118 414846 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :who touched my language
< 1432837187 265446 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432837191 176996 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1432837198 913448 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im the crazy spaniard
< 1432837199 313214 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1432837206 448607 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are u
< 1432837206 769367 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: looks like somebody who cares apparently fixed the example (it wasn't me)
< 1432837216 968570 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome numero_uno 
< 1432837219 229739 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02numero_uno: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13EFnet 04or 07DALnet.)
< 1432837221 813777 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome
< 1432837226 138663 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is this server from
< 1432837250 522768 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to know, now all other Spaniards can be confirmed for non-craziness.
< 1432837272 487950 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :numero_uno: I think you have the wrong channel, but it appears that you're connected to orwell.freenode.net, which is in the Netherlands.
< 1432837282 358678 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spain is a bad country guys
< 1432837287 290970 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont like it at all
< 1432837304 786057 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh netherlands is amazing
< 1432837308 321634 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :smart drugs
< 1432837312 610749 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardcore raves
< 1432837321 285918 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1432837322 382510 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :prostitutes
< 1432837332 620498 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is not good at all
< 1432837334 117782 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aahaha
< 1432837339 313226 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of whom are hungarian gypsies
< 1432837344 179844 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well witches are worse
< 1432837358 654420 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prostitutes are more cheap
< 1432837376 130691 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a dj
< 1432837384 956966 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mix hardcore trance whatever
< 1432837392 292463 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to hear a mix?
< 1432837443 461645 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I wouldn't mind, but this channel is about silly programming languages.
< 1432837457 515837 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this week i have made an order to a dutch smartshop
< 1432837464 668212 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :legal amphetamines
< 1432837468 191870 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried
< 1432837499 842509 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is non healthy but you can take it twice a year or so
< 1432837515 37037 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without becoming too much crazy
< 1432837545 82204 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the US, so the closest I've had to amphetamines is ritalin.
< 1432837556 217314 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07And14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43079&oldid=43078 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-7) 10k ty, updated it a bit more
< 1432837620 254154 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not particulalry interested, actually. I get strange enough thoughts without help.
< 1432837625 64845 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is good amphetamine
< 1432837635 810749 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like cocaine than amphetamine they say
< 1432837643 405281 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why they give it to kids
< 1432837658 476307 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have tried many medications because i am on psychiatric treatment
< 1432837659 31311 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you talking about drugs?
< 1432837675 52189 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :open your mind and let it flow bro
< 1432837680 932457 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1432837685 444250 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drugs based esolang when?
< 1432837718 655986 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you talk here
< 1432837722 511569 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new world order
< 1432837725 624725 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :masonry
< 1432837728 616818 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :occult
< 1432837736 107087 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This stuff: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1432837749 634726 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see
< 1432837750 921403 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :const
< 1432837779 741342 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its crazy
< 1432837788 264784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :const -= 1
< 1432837800 341271 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the net is the mind and spirit of the Lord
< 1432837809 533107 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't modify a const
< 1432837810 829646 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which combines all knowledges and languages
< 1432837832 647315 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can tell, it's mostly about math systems a few puns.
< 1432837851 660519 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the Lord tell you that you are the elected ones?
< 1432837862 140650 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a lot of things based on brainfuck, which is in fact less related to drugs than the name might suggest.
< 1432837880 303249 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna know what is behind this conspiracy
< 1432837882 251477 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :const_cast (ptr);
< 1432837888 510298 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to possess our minds
< 1432837917 893519 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with const_cast you can modify consts in c++ ....
< 1432837918 525917 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can call it the devils mind but not is as evil as human minds
< 1432837939 542550 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... which is undefined behavior so good luck
< 1432837949 813315 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1432837953 209853 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to remember who the ops are.

< 1432837953 888500 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where are the sluts
< 1432837974 663025 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the slutty dance takes over
< 1432837976 481805 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not much affected by judeo-christian bullshit
< 1432837979 453986 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :our souls
< 1432837994 762265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan? is oerjan still an op?
< 1432837994 938004 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im affected by the pagan shit
< 1432837998 22072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it'd do much good
< 1432837999 656714 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might want to join a different channe.
< 1432838009 411978 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nor is elliott
< 1432838016 373304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck i'm a long way out of the loop
< 1432838018 517238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie
< 1432838029 574336 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pagans should be dealt
< 1432838030 122009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's the rock to whom i anchor myself
< 1432838037 64239 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with fire and brimstone
< 1432838043 204434 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure they like it
< 1432838046 797587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg chanserv access #esoteric list
< 1432838061 22009 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432838071 675611 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats all they do
< 1432838074 959742 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1432838076 284398 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: would you believe that I knew that (and had done that in the meantime...)?
< 1432838085 499763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardappel???
< 1432838085 675508 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are some crazy piromaniacs
< 1432838102 184374 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fire oh the fire the moon
< 1432838104 39514 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit
< 1432838110 888588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes
< 1432838111 307248 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :motherfucking and nothing more
< 1432838116 496302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you knew that why did you try to remember?
< 1432838122 429080 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :numero_uno: probably you'r looking for a different kind of #esoteric, not this one
< 1432838134 383692 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have dealt with many esoterics
< 1432838134 610134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i do in this circumstance?
< 1432838142 766245 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dont know the Lord they are evil
< 1432838167 295798 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Lord is the key of all dimensions
< 1432838173 114380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, /ignore seems to work fairly well anyway, thanks.
< 1432838176 110381 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the multidimensional firewall
< 1432838188 744942 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a brand-new flip phone!
< 1432838190 736725 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. just /ignore the multidimensional bullshit
< 1432838194 662772 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those who dont love the Lord are dead
< 1432838197 271276 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1432838201 998974 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea
< 1432838227 952397 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was rised by him
< 1432838242 719691 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have the power to repel all pagan sorceries
< 1432838245 856501 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just try it
< 1432838253 522968 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :numero_uno: But the dead will rise at judgement day, right?
< 1432838256 608099 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you will have time to regret it
< 1432838263 747367 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1432838266 140210 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :religious multidimensional crap
< 1432838267 532385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :numero_uno, are you that spanish guy who came in every now and then a year or two ago?
< 1432838291 86517 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think i am that guy you refer to
< 1432838340 851345 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have seen this is not friendly at all
< 1432838346 962478 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wantes to find some good vibes
< 1432838356 683213 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is very hard to find good vibes today
< 1432838359 226545 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywhere
< 1432838373 254566 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would probably be better to try /list to find a different channel then.
< 1432838382 362044 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to protect myself for not becoming so ill
< 1432838387 549883 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like men
< 1432838400 645322 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i go here and there 
< 1432838422 721364 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe its time to go away
< 1432838441 185071 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my purpose was never war
< 1432838452 407944 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want good vibes, I recommend the Beach Boys
< 1432838453 177012 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes war is needed to achieve peace
< 1432838459 179714 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time i will flee
< 1432838464 620 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fine, this is just a pretty dry math channel.
< 1432838466 249581 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing will happen
< 1432838469 200854 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me
< 1432838471 740227 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for you
< 1432838473 757547 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have peace
< 1432838478 303325 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really the best place for partying it up.
< 1432838487 75124 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1432838488 115196 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1432838491 114875 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later.
< 1432838497 187042 :numero_uno!~angel@146.Red-88-0-139.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :
< 1432838589 571889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thank god
< 1432838652 114810 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FmL80fVMxo
< 1432838992 558410 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway as I was saying, I got a brand new flip phone!
< 1432839017 791151 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet.
< 1432839037 589912 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do flip phones that take apps exist?
< 1432839078 127647 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I don't get why third party applications and flip covers are a mutually exclusive thing.
< 1432839108 437243 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also woah, I need to get in the shower already.
< 1432839108 957111 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one has all the apps I would use - camera, browser, email, claculator, alarm clock
< 1432839123 319348 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like all I would use.
< 1432839156 571150 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd also like a QR code reader, but apparently all of those want to tie into some kind of GPS system?
< 1432839173 843664 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I don't even want to use it for location-based ads, just code reading.
< 1432839292 911477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the QR code contains binary data rather than text, you could save the picture and process it by your computer at home.
< 1432839400 801258 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The few times I've tried analyzing a QR code on the desktop it didn't register.
< 1432839420 421444 :King2218!7936363e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.121.54.54.62 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432839446 43224 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe they were just bad codes or something. I'm pretty sure most of them were digitally inked images, actually.
< 1432839474 905209 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would think if someone's editing a QR code into a drawing on their computer, they'd test to make sure it works while they're at ir.
< 1432839478 481110 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it
< 1432839527 223725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also just to have it save the data of the QR code to a file, whether it is binary or text.
< 1432839565 198847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it can be loaded on computer
< 1432839629 962939 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ahve to wait until after shower time to look into it.
< 1432839634 999259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although if it is text, it can display the text too.)
< 1432839724 684717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the system has a clipboard function, it can then offer the user the option to copy the text to the clipboard; even if not, if it does have the ability to follow URLs and it is a URL it knows how to follow, it can offer the user that option too.)
< 1432840091 377520 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-eipttbjhilvefftm QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432840164 985580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1432840328 182869 :King2218!7936363e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.121.54.54.62 PART :#esoteric
< 1432840405 381654 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it doesn't appear to take third party apps, but it has a browser that runs javascript, so, that is ok
< 1432840448 165620 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The phone in question is a LG F4NR
< 1432840870 585552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you still install files even if not a program? Maybe then a HTML document containing the JavaScripts that you want to run can be installed and then you can put your own program in like that.
< 1432840907 580368 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that is an interesting idea
< 1432841162 188448 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.2
< 1432841210 167803 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432843059 814203 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43080&oldid=43058 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+326) 10
< 1432844425 22383 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432845270 620761 :evalj!~jeval@5403C31A.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432845603 271334 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432845923 76385 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432845946 969737 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: modifying a const is totally legal in C++ - sometimes
< 1432846021 448651 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :const
< 1432846089 854625 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your nickname is too mutable.
< 1432846131 777878 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432846166 945824 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Really? doesn't that defeat the purpose?
< 1432846206 491078 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that you can access it much fewer times, or inline the value, etc?
< 1432846387 350690 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zdyroeutawasvpkz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432846396 896203 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432846420 777268 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc int f(const int *a, int *b) { *b = 42; return *a; } int main(void) { int x = 0; return f(&x, &x); }
< 1432846426 650525 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432846428 518112 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I thought that a caller of int foo(const char*s); is allowed to assume that the values pointed to by s won't change when calls to foo?
< 1432846443 129959 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :const char *s != char const *s
< 1432846450 777026 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does
< 1432846459 113380 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Jafet: I was thinking of either const_cast
< 1432846459 969208 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1432846470 888745 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc int main(void) { return 42; }
< 1432846471 408961 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/QfWb
< 1432846471 812985 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1432846500 912313 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah, that is evil
< 1432846509 71563 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc int f(const int *a, int *b) { *b = 42; return *a; } int main(void) { int x = 0; return printf("%d", f(&x, &x)); }
< 1432846510 101183 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/a.c: In function ‘main’: \ /tmp/a.c:1:88: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘printf’ [enabled by default] \ 42
< 1432846512 10966 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like mutable
< 1432846520 355811 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: its meant for two types of things
< 1432846531 251414 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: internal caching variables; or mutexes for singletons
< 1432846540 874917 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like it: it is evil: but it exists
< 1432846545 30820 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. that makes some sence
< 1432846546 580285 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only forbidden to: mutate through a const pointer, or mutate a const object.
< 1432846580 642268 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc int f(const restrict int *a, restrict int *b) { *b = 42; return *a; } int main(void) { int x = 0; return printf("%d", f(&x, &x)); }
< 1432846581 408574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/a.c:1:22: error: expected ‘;’, ‘,’ or ‘)’ before ‘int’ \ /tmp/a.c: In function ‘main’: \ /tmp/a.c:1:106: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘printf’ [enabled by default]
< 1432846614 57894 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try "int printf();"
< 1432846625 653726 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :or try using a local compiler :-p
< 1432846650 677130 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc int f(const int *restrict a, int *restrict b) { *b = 42; return *a; } int main(void) { int x = 0; return printf("%d", f(&x, &x)); }
< 1432846651 378837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/a.c:1:27: error: expected ‘;’, ‘,’ or ‘)’ before ‘a’ \ /tmp/a.c: In function ‘main’: \ /tmp/a.c:1:106: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘printf’ [enabled by default]
< 1432846671 19889 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hint, the compile bug is that you're not declaring printf.
< 1432846683 942299 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/cc
< 1432846684 575461 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo "$@" > /tmp/a.c && gcc /tmp/a.c -o /tmp/a.out && /tmp/a.out
< 1432846687 603103 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it's in C90 mode for fucks sake
< 1432846726 410285 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's rather restrictive.
< 1432846727 234205 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1432846754 197797 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, am I right that in
< 1432846770 109261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU89 mode is the mode I generally use.
< 1432846782 785190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless the program expects a different mode)
< 1432846787 584440 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU* C should die
< 1432846809 289301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't; GNU89 is much better than C99.
< 1432846829 459701 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :void foo(const char*s); int main(){char s[100]="hello"; foo(s); puts(s);} 
< 1432846852 422541 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432846854 443278 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is valid C90 but illegal C99.
< 1432846861 372865 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no.
< 1432846864 207845 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is illegal C90.
< 1432846874 546341 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(main did not return)
< 1432846896 40573 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the above code, can teh compiler assume that the call to foo doesn't change s?
< 1432846911 378083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have zero-length arrays and other stuff too in GNU89, as well as all of the good C99 stuff, but omit some bad stuffs too
< 1432846922 878654 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe so. "s" is a pointer to a const object.
< 1432846949 291962 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can cast away the const-ness, but the accesses still aren't permitted to mutate the object.
< 1432846951 441408 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH
< 1432846956 944658 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, can the compiler assume the code is equivalent to
< 1432846963 675416 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :void foo(const char*s); int main(){char s[100]="hello"; foo(s); puts("hello");} 
< 1432846967 14257 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1432846969 728782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That makes sense to me
< 1432846972 40920 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` {echo '​#!/bin/sh'; echo 'echo "$@" | sed 's/\\/\n/g' >/tmp/a.c && gcc -w -Wfatal-errors -std=c11 -O2 /tmp/a.c -o /tmp/a.out && /tmp/a.out'} >bin/cc && chmod +x bin/cc
< 1432846972 216846 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1432846977 877566 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: {echo: command not found
< 1432846979 220183 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo could violate it but that would be UB.
< 1432846991 638408 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1432847071 416505 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that's a bit of UB I agree with... const obejcts are const as far as caller is concerned. 
< 1432847089 241427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree too it is sensible to me too
< 1432847392 313558 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ++
< 1432847489 802379 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can treat objects as const, but can we treat const as an object?
< 1432847495 871604 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: no
< 1432847514 100297 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: function and variable are my aliases
< 1432847517 413979 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :'object' is not
< 1432847527 21757 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not nice to objectify people 
< 1432847535 928373 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ++
< 1432847603 92244 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enrique Iglesias - Finally Found You is SUCH a stalker's anthem
< 1432847630 522648 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Either you're coming with me, or I'm coming with you"
< 1432847852 473132 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432849485 442849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you get vector-synthesis instrument files?
< 1432849700 283411 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :get instrument files
< 1432849703 666636 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put them in a vector
< 1432849706 533727 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1432850554 234260 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Microscript14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43081 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+155) 10Created page with "Has anyone found a (non-trivial) quine for this language yet? ~~~~"
< 1432851002 342212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43082&oldid=43080 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10Fixed another implementation error
< 1432851364 664088 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I make a language without any quines? wait, thats trivial...
< 1432851383 618471 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdellococ. SQL?
< 1432851393 441439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432851410 607717 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan.
< 1432851522 360236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boheily
< 1432851609 354528 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hallo
< 1432851690 446214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hallo i luken
< 1432851882 550325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432852013 977721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make quine in SQL too
< 1432852180 308552 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43083&oldid=43082 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-3314) 10
< 1432852276 210311 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43084&oldid=43081 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+97) 10
< 1432852285 345179 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43085&oldid=43084 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+94) 10
< 1432852705 172461 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43086&oldid=43083 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+37) 10
< 1432852730 328685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43087&oldid=43086 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+2) 10/* Quine (14 bytes) */
< 1432852905 96750 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43088&oldid=43087 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+28) 10
< 1432853201 480797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* int-e is trying to remember who the ops are. <-- i think it is possible to ask ChanServ hth
< 1432853215 225362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tdnh hth
< 1432853215 400990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shachaf said so
< 1432853228 998667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's unhelpful to mention it
< 1432853243 800663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1432853265 184220 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432853268 601510 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I have an idea
< 1432853296 483316 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite tape, can move left or right, and flip current bit by objecting.
< 1432853441 185977 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :objecting?
< 1432853446 151403 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...objecting.
< 1432853580 118556 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is 'objecting'
< 1432853604 90466 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm
< 1432853621 231074 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i object to that
< 1432853674 18487 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwwEpGAfftc
< 1432853720 780909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : numero_uno, are you that spanish guy who came in every now and then a year or two ago? <-- if you are referring to the venezuelans using canaima, that's not just one guy - we're inexplicably in some list of recommended channels, i think.
< 1432853737 313775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the canaima distribution)
< 1432853743 605083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1432853766 984506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe you actually found out the story behind that and i can't believe the actual story
< 1432853767 864163 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1432853787 311293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well i haven't _totally_ confirmed it.
< 1432853807 458187 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLD IT! scoofy, you said you didnt know what objecting meant... and now you just objected???
< 1432853811 348318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the last guy i managed to ask said he found in his client or something
< 1432853825 644191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't remember the exact words either

< 1432853885 92434 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: how do you 'object' a bit
< 1432853896 470332 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean... negate?
< 1432854034 518952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION subjects rdococ 

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< 1432854093 77326 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432854096 511061 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait...
< 1432854104 359042 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat does it mean to "subject"?
< 1432854234 500072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MAY NEVER KNOW
< 1432854247 628818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION giggles maniackally

< 1432854382 451689 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, stop subjecting rdococ to your torment
< 1432854393 776691 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: beware today's oerjan. he's evil
< 1432854475 654296 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :OBJECTION! I am not being tormented.
< 1432854501 495217 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ has rTorment and rN+++.
< 1432854513 360389 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1432854527 598208 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any proof of these claims?
< 1432854534 440193 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1432854558 999923 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I require some claimprooves twh
< 1432854918 457489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rdococs a verb

< 1432855247 774528 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION objects to my nickname being used as a verb

< 1432855258 709362 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... if I change my nickname to Nick...
< 1432855271 623662 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no scrap that I'll change it to Miles...
< 1432855313 795744 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION orens ornery oranges

< 1432855445 133187 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok.
< 1432855453 224326 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quit subjecting the poor transitive verbs already.
< 1432855462 791244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now uses it instead rdococ a preposition

< 1432855464 452178 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they enjoy.
< 1432855575 557443 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to sleep

< 1432855577 69295 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight!
< 1432855977 600915 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night
< 1432855993 48843 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good Night.
< 1432856152 550960 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :night.
< 1432856170 973631 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night.
< 1432856178 246502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning.
< 1432856243 258834 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning.
< 1432856721 202042 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evening, everyone.
< 1432856767 116099 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Midnight rave!!!
< 1432856767 328060 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a term for a function f : 2^S -> 2^T (those being the power sets of sets S and T) which has the property that f(A union B) = f(A) intersect f(B)?
< 1432856791 982191 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And F({}) = T, too.
< 1432856811 364745 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had to make up a word for such a function, it'd be "contravariant".
< 1432856993 741612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is or not
< 1432857357 548170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you compose with complement you get something that's (finite) union-preserving
< 1432857463 968628 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I prefer ntravariant functions.
< 1432857473 744646 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, tswellott.)
< 1432857848 819442 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoily.
< 1432859890 418414 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :
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< 1432860734 874051 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc12-staf7-2-0-cust182.3-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi?
< 1432860792 128412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho.
< 1432861379 447543 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc12-staf7-2-0-cust182.3-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo
< 1432861638 343703 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hel
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< 1432862819 774458 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.
< 1432862828 424658 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsck fsck fsck fsck fsck.
< 1432862857 318009 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION metaphorically flips the mapole over

< 1432863051 414744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects boily to be a little annoyed

< 1432863155 818244 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably my best YASD, and a first.
< 1432863159 173547 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drowned.
< 1432863161 518545 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsck.
< 1432863182 256669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah nethack?
< 1432863193 325879 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DCSS.
< 1432863250 107249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses acronym recognition.  it's super effective!

< 1432863278 379535 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. gg.
< 1432863312 510783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, gg doesn't update in several hours yet.  well, normally.
< 1432863332 457474 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we speaking about the same gg twh?
< 1432863385 656106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely there's only one gg hth
< 1432863427 769392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks freefall in the meantime

< 1432863437 739075 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH!
< 1432863444 724015 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gg.
< 1432863461 690404 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they aren't the same gges.
< 1432863467 509881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP*
< 1432863522 35620 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ONOMATOPOIETIC REVELATION*
< 1432863591 217342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if that minus ten is celsius or fahrenheit, although the latter would probably be anachronistic in a scifi comic.

< 1432863693 408270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no gg update for today but an extra announcement yesterday
< 1432863724 379516 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :dcss has deep gameplay.
< 1432863826 708716 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I was doing Cocytus after having completed Dis. I drowned in Coc:7. very shameful.
< 1432864081 399486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can one drown in cocytus, it should be completely frozen over. 
< 1432864123 936893 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1432864282 821508 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no ice in crawl hth
< 1432864295 392402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1432864323 492353 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's shallow water, there's deep water. there's even laval! but no ice.
< 1432864438 992625 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. time to sleep.
< 1432864441 298576 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night all!
< 1432864468 921900 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :laval? what is a rocket engine nozzle doing in hell?
< 1432864513 574667 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: helloren. you haven't seen anything there. muscle memory strikes again... Laval University is where I studied.
< 1432864526 466147 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: INTERPOLATED CHICKEN
< 1432864653 272691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boily So, why did you study in hell, then?
< 1432864653 487944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432864859 20792 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rocket nozzles? Or maybe some other burning things.
< 1432865756 194063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Search opponent's hand, draw pile, side cards, and trash for any number of evolution cards that can evolve from opponent's pokemons already in play and/or the other cards you picked; you must then play all such cards on opponent's side to evolve their pokemons (if there is more than one way, you can choose); opponent's draw pile and side cards are mixed up afterward.
< 1432865905 869335 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1432866295 234720 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hi\n14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43089&oldid=43069 5* 03Xavo 5* (+315) 10
< 1432866323 910245 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Xavo14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43090 5* 03Xavo 5* (+35) 10Created page with "Oh hey there.  I made [[Hi\n|hi\n]."
< 1432866399 149484 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432866411 751307 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432866412 549611 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Xavo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43091&oldid=43090 5* 03Xavo 5* (+4) 10
< 1432866436 252932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Xavo14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43092&oldid=43091 5* 03Xavo 5* (-1) 10
< 1432866485 10731 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432866563 978296 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43093&oldid=42994 5* 03Xavo 5* (+50) 10/* General languages */
< 1432867012 972041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hi\n14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43094&oldid=43089 5* 03Xavo 5* (+129) 10added ruby interpreter
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< 1432868029 155245 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1432868143 307242 :const!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
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< 1432868181 577372 :const!~root@c-67-188-9-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net NICK :Guest42240
< 1432868194 266686 :Guest42240!~root@c-67-188-9-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host
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< 1432868256 29986 :Guest42240!~root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :const
< 1432869585 454127 :const!~root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
< 1432869654 441738 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc12-staf7-2-0-cust182.3-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :function()
< 1432869763 863949 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION executes rdococ 

< 1432869816 65778 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc12-staf7-2-0-cust182.3-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...............
< 1432869852 353256 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc12-staf7-2-0-cust182.3-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stays alive by the terrible garbage collection

< 1432870089 636395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I even made up two vanguard cards of Magic: the Gathering.
< 1432870236 678098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axenwhite's Avatar {-} Vanguard (+0/+1) ;; Whenever you would draw a card, if you have already drawn a card this turn, instead an opponent of your choice draws a card and you gain 1 life. ;; {4}: Each player draws a card. You may put the top card of your graveyard on top of your library.
< 1432870265 774150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gxxyuxihuvxi's High Avatar {-} Vanguard (-2/+1) ;; All nonland cards you own with a mana cost gain madness with a madness cost equal to their mana cost plus {3} and all normal single-colored mana symbols changed into Phyrexian mana of that color. ;; All lands you control gain "{T}, Discard a card: Add {1} to your mana pool or you may reduce your maximum hand size by one until the beginning of the next turn."
< 1432870269 161655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
< 1432870728 450845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any more feature suggestion and/or complaint and/or question of AmigaMML?
< 1432871650 276122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1432871719 357710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1432872537 858226 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last levels of mario bros U are impossibru
< 1432872870 718310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure?
< 1432872935 983239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "impossibru" even a real word?
< 1432873029 882103 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1432873134 380335 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Phone
< 1432873581 172719 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a real word, but a meme word
< 1432873604 724732 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, they are at least as hard as the hardest classic games
< 1432873725 225389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then that is good if it is not too easy.
< 1432873757 894915 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they throw this new tilt mechanic at you in the last world, where you tilt the controller.
< 1432873819 106108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it in the manual?
< 1432873822 521652 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1432873849 241747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's no good. They should put it in the manual that you have to tilt the controller.
< 1432873869 702957 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1432873887 243031 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an icon that appears on the screen telling you that you have to tilt it, but it is still annoying
< 1432873890 259853 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lyka
< 1432873911 230477 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lyka\phone
< 1432873953 476835 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current version of octopus (aka fourfuck) runs fully off of an sd card
< 1432873996 205602 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the program does
< 1432874013 842212 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter is still on the device
< 1432874068 913483 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard part right now is modifying the code to allow subroutines
< 1432874230 544089 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a guess a number program to test the system
< 1432874353 72478 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1432874497 782597 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :A000[00=SIB0SOB0]00=Q000
< 1432874705 117193 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all
< 1432874725 532914 :aretecode!~aretecode@173.192.170.114-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo
< 1432874769 158061 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
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< 1432875278 950785 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I accidentally close out of #esoteric?
< 1432875279 771048 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1432875312 457919 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like I didn't autorejoin when i opened IRC
< 1432875322 749481 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autojoin was unchecked :(
< 1432875652 254293 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BEAT BOWSER! 
< 1432877548 603581 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOSBox runs on the web?
< 1432877601 909662 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep!
< 1432877655 234924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos
< 1432877685 524180 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when today's expensive machines will be trivially emulatable
< 1432878038 199925 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1432878339 174311 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I thought Tucows stopped existing
< 1432878754 836457 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://archive.org/details/stop-the-rock
< 1432878760 442900 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to play this again ASASP
< 1432878999 921046 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbXfyH0rt3M&index=1&list=PL60DDD0F77698B8EB
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< 1432882772 208606 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztsuqqfxzptrimcz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1432883155 754580 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1432883770 161790 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who are writing javascript should not abbreviate google analytics to googanal
< 1432883850 930138 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1432883890 663703 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432883938 98388 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is visible to users
< 1432883938 630341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When are they going to invent quantum bitcoins?
< 1432884057 733189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If  varies, if  = 0 implies  = 0 then what is the property of T called?
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< 1432886325 16862 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: welcome to the fnord
< 1432886325 420963 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: go's confusing... i like ruby kind of a vacation but after 7 months it's getting seriously old and there's still battery left.
< 1432886392 949289 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Have you heard of the random busy beaver?
< 1432886393 246620 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: and the fnord is likely to be i/ o would probably be a presentation by shriram krishnamurthi and is at +1 digs atm
< 1432886406 288375 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the busy beaver except that the tape is initialized completely randomly.
< 1432886491 216386 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and RBB(n) is the expected number of ones a random busy beaver with n states writes on the tape while still halting.
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< 1432888085 572134 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432891854 967859 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :compression scheme: replace any file that has been archived by the internet archive, with a text file containing the URL. if it hasn't been, the compressor shall upload the file and wait for it to be archived
< 1432891962 518043 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this compression scheme exceeds the capabilities of known compressors manyfold, for interesting inputs
< 1432892007 840206 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that would be bad for small files
< 1432892011 261510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it for large files only
< 1432892016 213689 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ones that are rarely accessed
< 1432892019 707377 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea
< 1432892038 997818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uploading a terabyte sized database file after each single write would be very bad
< 1432892052 838485 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1432892314 512595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that's a variant on Linus's old saying
< 1432892354 902110 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it – Linus Torvalds
< 1432892362 567445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from http://groups.google.com/group/linux.dev.kernel/msg/76ae734d543e396d?pli=1
< 1432893291 142411 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43095&oldid=43088 5* 0372.74.32.143 5* (-2) 10Fixed a mistake in the documentation
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< 1432899495 472980 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :only wimps use backups.
< 1432900052 772236 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1432901323 805317 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypercomputation
< 1432902574 238345 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1432902596 516385 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Last In, First Out (LIFO)"? "What is pushed onto the stack first, will be popped off last"? ... contradiction?
< 1432902690 357266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43096&oldid=30976 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+0) 10corrected a puzzling contradiction
< 1432903336 652861 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again
< 1432903338 369195 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :both apply
< 1432903660 235992 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1432903726 667027 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILO == LIFO
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< 1432904128 238058 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432904130 349784 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :just realized
< 1432904132 525015 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp
< 1432904149 235443 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still makes sense
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< 1432904284 369864 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILI on the other hand
< 1432904310 363320 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a read only storage capable of storing one element
< 1432904317 336085 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1432904317 791767 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1432904319 956280 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :write only
< 1432904320 719592 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1432904348 243737 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or technically ah
< 1432904352 988385 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :write once - read never
< 1432904364 572736 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOLO is read once - write never
< 1432904569 453852 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yolo
< 1432904590 629067 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yol9t
< 1432904709 177291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stack14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43097&oldid=43096 5* 030x0dea 5* (+0) 10LIFO and FILO are equivalent, but the former is more common and, in this case as in most, better conveys intent.
< 1432904747 866862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru FILOfax
< 1432904890 523475 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lili
< 1432904960 749625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38  If  varies, if  = 0 implies  = 0 then what is the property of T called? <-- i think that's equivalent to "X is an eigenvector of T^*"
< 1432904960 925266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432904971 369585 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's the LILO Queue
< 1432904992 324552 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lilofifofifilili
< 1432904996 917780 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :leleoloadwa
< 1432905091 619263 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the same as a FIFO Queue
< 1432905504 617117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 because if  that's orthogonal to the first but not the last one
< 1432905504 832000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432905691 605561 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so tired of these LOFO Queues.
< 1432905713 251133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIMO
< 1432905720 507232 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is gram-schmidt the base change thingy?
< 1432905734 359135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: it's the base _finding_ thingy.
< 1432905753 314351 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :orthonormal base finding thingy
< 1432905808 248682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 oops *last but not the first one
< 1432905808 464044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432905826 756536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BLAME THE FIFO MESS
< 1432905870 447815 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean FIFA MESS?
< 1432905901 658860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i don't blame that
< 1432905917 988556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it carries its own punishment.
< 1432905934 85792 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame log-normal distributions.
< 1432905941 361329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1432906075 319763 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is "lineare hülle" in english not "linear hull" but "linear span"
< 1432906088 223279 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is too confusing.
< 1432906094 510056 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just gonna call it linear thingy
< 1432906218 438477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's "convex hull", though.
< 1432906257 22851 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math with simple english would be fun
< 1432906269 243465 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in munroe's "thing explainer"-style
< 1432906289 224906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone pointed out "explainer" is not in the wordlist he uses
< 1432906299 126777 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not?!?!
< 1432906312 759277 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a derivation?
< 1432906316 96349 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :play -> player,
< 1432906320 110881 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's acceptable
< 1432906378 533766 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a mathdoer?
< 1432906384 390070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes
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< 1432906787 97109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually LIFO is more technically correct than FILO
< 1432906817 773110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because only the first applies if you sometimes empty the stack not at the end
< 1432906922 272904 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Friedz 5*  10New user account
< 1432907096 544201 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/YSumHKy7
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< 1432910485 303993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fission14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43098&oldid=39076 5* 0350.207.43.222 5* (+43) 10
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< 1432911799 512329 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
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< 1432914386 944409 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a language where programs are formulae. Unfortunately, the 'Formula' programming language... already exists.
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< 1432914825 286385 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of formula?
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< 1432915619 938400 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You culd call it formulated, or formulations.
< 1432915627 896355 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fomrulations
< 1432915666 372778 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Formulae, and just let their be another language with a name differeing by exactly one letter.
< 1432916032 339565 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Polynomial
< 1432916365 772138 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :mindev
< 1432916376 301153 :mindev!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1432916649 96628 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that language also exists
< 1432916723 490710 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.
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< 1432917224 199151 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer a FIGO architecture
< 1432917237 832300 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :first in, garbage out
< 1432917271 23095 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although a GIFO might be more useful 
< 1432917348 73123 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about formoola
< 1432917356 53157 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you maybe work on garbage in code out?
< 1432917377 592401 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIOO: garbage in, output out... oh wait... its called malbolge...
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< 1432918812 480323 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIGO
< 1432918816 379052 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :garbage in, garbage out
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< 1432922139 176448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :" _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it" ... I might sometimes to backup on DVD (currently I can't though), but still I wish to allow rest of the world to mirror my public stuff anyways; not FTP though, but I do have HTTP and Gopher servers. If you want to make your own public archives of text file and free software and so on you can mirror mine if it is something that would go in what kind of a
< 1432922148 317407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud
< 1432922148 493214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 4h 46m 27s ago:  If  varies, if  = 0 implies  = 0 then what is the property of T called? <-- i think that's equivalent to "X is an eigenvector of T^*"
< 1432922148 493296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 4h 37m 24s ago: because if  that's orthogonal to the first but not the last one
< 1432922148 493316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 4h 32m 20s ago: oops *last but not the first one
< 1432922790 918824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Huh?14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43103&oldid=42216 5* 0372.38.29.19 5* (+64) 10/* External resources */
< 1432922832 73337 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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< 1432924448 433953 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehehe
< 1432924667 989504 :variable!~root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
< 1432924842 711985 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION executes function

< 1432924882 435410 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION executes rdococ 

< 1432924895 991271 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :Error
< 1432924915 575700 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES
< 1432924915 751430 :Error!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION !!! Cannot execute an alien

< 1432924921 910930 :Error!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :rdococ
< 1432924925 641176 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1432924986 646818 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :Error
< 1432924986 860179 :Error!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :rdococ
< 1432924991 978636 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1432925005 221944 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :Error
< 1432925005 398102 :Error!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :/me Segmentation fault!
< 1432925005 398193 :Error!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :rdococ
< 1432925009 544057 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm
< 1432925026 911818 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :Error
< 1432925027 87566 :Error!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION #esoteric Segmentation fault!

< 1432925027 87648 :Error!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :rdococ
< 1432925032 416317 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1432925046 799136 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION computes himself

< 1432925072 390706 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :Error
< 1432925072 566424 :Error!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :rdococ
< 1432925073 800496 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION !!! Test

< 1432925101 70891 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :Error
< 1432925101 726603 :Error!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :Guest20602
< 1432925102 797846 :Guest20602!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly NICK :rdococ
< 1432925143 1377 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly
< 1432925165 410058 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable
< 1432925322 267381 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I passed my AI module
< 1432925346 635067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like a d-module?
< 1432925389 372947 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1432925409 553232 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but with less D and more AI
< 1432925428 615490 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's graded
< 1432925446 320612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you just barely pass it
< 1432925450 434892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a grade of D
< 1432925486 269573 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I don't think there are many UK universities with a grade system with Ds
< 1432925488 752924 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a 2-2
< 1432925522 106802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, more like a Z-module
< 1432925656 149687 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan (Talk | contribs) moved page Function to Funciton over a redirect without leaving a redirect
< 1432925676 146909 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I still type my language on the Function page?
< 1432925692 170674 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should I try to avoid a naming conflict?
< 1432925711 392591 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, there's two languages called Clue
< 1432925715 149391 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And two called Numberwang
< 1432925717 444645 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait what?
< 1432925721 71987 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not gonna be that big of a deal
< 1432925728 481100 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Clue
< 1432925729 360981 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :god you're right
< 1432925756 181414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was so happy about that
< 1432925761 268951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it meant I got to make a disambiguation page
< 1432925778 154143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, seems like it was actually elliott who made the page
< 1432925780 596073 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: -NickServ- Registered : Jul 07 17:18:02 2014 (46w 4d 1h ago)
< 1432925782 352217 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why
< 1432925882 679926 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what?
< 1432925908 732233 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: -NickServ- Spydar007 has enabled nick protection
< 1432925918 964382 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: so if you chose to /nick error and don't identify
< 1432925924 252293 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1432925939 315025 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is logged in...
< 1432925952 109673 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: doesn't matter
< 1432925954 223522 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :german server...
< 1432925956 604121 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :nick protection is automatic 
< 1432925958 620821 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1432925959 632657 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ik
< 1432926445 105609 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I hate the Mac keyboard.
< 1432926464 921741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I hate the Mac keyboard
< 1432926470 370771 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I have an idea!
< 1432926476 872459 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call my language 'Delegate'
< 1432926501 720343 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A three-finger combination just to get curly braces on a Finnish is fucking stupid, and I can't seem to find a decent solution to fix it.
< 1432926523 592955 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a Mac keyboard
< 1432926555 849861 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may just have to force myself to relearn a US layout.
< 1432926570 143565 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwerty
< 1432926594 590261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: because Macs don't have an altgr?
< 1432926609 88520 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess tha'ts part of the problem.
< 1432926630 13008 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other part is a whole huge extra bunch of special character shortcuts that I don't need taking up all the space.
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< 1432928279 741829 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: set your text format to ISO646-FI. Then write int main()ä printf("hello, world!Ön"); å
< 1432928323 901309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ISO646 is a subset of ASCII, right;
< 1432928336 550008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the ä and Ö and å map to ASCII characters?
< 1432928342 891029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*right?
< 1432928349 648796 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and ISO646-FI replaces the characters {}\|[] with national ones
< 1432928386 155066 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you type the program in ISO646-FI, then have the compiler read it as ascii it will work fine
< 1432928392 744254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why trigraphs were invented
< 1432928401 220954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although digraphs make more sense
< 1432928415 318271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the difference is that digraphs aren't parsed inside comments, string literals, and the like)
< 1432928431 374866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically they're alternate spellings of tokens, rather than textual substitutions)
< 1432928454 972771 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except trigraphs don't *quite* work for the purpose though -- C still requires those characters to exist, at least at run time.
< 1432928473 599087 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also requires them to not vary in encoding with LC_CTYPE and requires them to be in a single char.
< 1432928491 161745 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'int main()ä printf("hello, world!Ön"); å' | iconv -futf-8 -tiso646-fi 
< 1432928503 763820 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(){ printf("hello, world!\n"); }
< 1432928508 944820 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ta da!
< 1432928553 551022 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that help you type, J_Arcane!
< 1432928567 931303 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what to do with that information. XD
< 1432928569 830150 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though there is no requirement that the source and execution character sets are the *same*...)
< 1432928704 807052 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah: []\ => äåö and {}| => ÄÅÖ
< 1432928723 42649 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, that's slighlt wrong
< 1432928742 746427 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would honestly be my ideal remap, I just can't figure out how to make ukelele do it.
< 1432928887 611971 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you could always just learn to read code that looks like if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä  
< 1432928919 638784 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can use iconv
< 1432928943 24246 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it in your makefile, annoy everyone who tries to read your code?
< 1432928978 412124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, like that
< 1432929010 741359 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432929018 70912 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, you can use _ in some smalltalk variants iirc because it used to mean left arrow in some charsets,
< 1432929022 785429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for assignment,
< 1432929028 305223 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | tr '[\]{|}' 'ÅÄÖåäö'
< 1432929029 148455 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä
< 1432929032 554569 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1432929032 730233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people still use ^ for power because it used to mean up arrow
< 1432929040 339561 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | tr 'ÅÄÖåäö' '[\]{|}'
< 1432929041 21270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(a}|i}] == b}|i}] }}}} a}|i}] == 0 }}}} b}|i}] == 0)}}
< 1432929051 277032 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1432929051 953280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets even funnier if you use backslash overwrite stuff in intercal
< 1432929070 991366 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | tr 'ÅÄÖåäö' '[]\{}|'
< 1432929071 654903 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(a|}i|] == b|}i|] |||| a|}i|] == 0 |||| b|}i|] == 0)||
< 1432929080 421004 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | tr 'ÅÄÖåäö' '[]\\{}|'
< 1432929081 148593 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(a|{i|] == b|{i|] |||| a|{i|] == 0 |||| b|{i|] == 0)||
< 1432929123 710831 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1432929129 727708 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no unicode support in tr
< 1432929133 444058 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :should the backslash be doubly escaped?
< 1432929142 987119 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that
< 1432929179 406296 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | perl -pe y/ÅÄÖåäö/[]\\{}|/
< 1432929180 333170 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /: Is a directory \ Transliteration replacement not terminated at -e line 1.
< 1432929189 702558 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | perl -pe 'y/ÅÄÖåäö/[]\\{}|/'
< 1432929190 373863 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(a[{i[] == b[{i[] [|[| a[{i[] == 0 [|[| b[{i[] == 0)[|
< 1432929229 750283 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1432929229 926035 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | sed -e 'y/ÅÄÖåäö/[]\\{}|/'
< 1432929232 659759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(a]i[ == b]i[ || a]i[ == 0 || b]i[ == 0)}
< 1432929245 376907 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | sed -e 'y/ÅÄÖåäö/][\\}{|/'
< 1432929246 304509 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(a[i] == b[i] || a[i] == 0 || b[i] == 0){
< 1432929248 228307 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the point of using the three characters after the English alphabet, if you don't put the letters in the right order?
< 1432929277 47792 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumed ISO646-{FI,SE} used ÅÄÖåäö

< 1432929290 514921 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like the danes won this round
< 1432929292 675222 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'if(aÄiÅ == bÄiÅ öö aÄiÅ == 0 öö bÄiÅ == 0)ä' | iconv -futf-8 -tiso646-fi
< 1432929293 323347 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(a[i] == b[i] || a[i] == 0 || b[i] == 0){
< 1432929299 272533 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier
< 1432929303 129039 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point
< 1432929306 108158 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also less error-prone
< 1432929335 496350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, I'm not sure ??< char buf??(256??); scanf("%.256s", buf); printf("hello, %s??/n", buf); ??> looks that much better than é char bufÉ256Ü; scanf("%.256s", buf); printf("hello, %sÖn", buf); ü
< 1432929346 333262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the latter is at least easy to type, and you can get used to reading it
< 1432929376 276982 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got used to half my fonts having yen signs pretty quick
< 1432929393 804315 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the old era with home PCs with no back storage and only a BASIC interpreter, there used to be ones that that had localized fonts in the rom, and some rarer characters like # displayed wrong,
< 1432929403 731659 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for lang in fi se no dk; do iconv -f utf-8 -t iso646-$lang <<<'[\]{|}'; done
< 1432929404 556366 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 \ iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 \ iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 \ iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0
< 1432929417 656869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the statement to write to a file was like PRINTÉ rather than PRINT#
< 1432929420 809024 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird
< 1432929425 303200 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even iso646 by the way
< 1432929478 314104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a good reason BASIC doesn't use any of @[]^{|}~ and only newer variants use \_
< 1432929496 938038 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1432929505 39245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do use ^ but that's fine, it's just displayed as an up arrow
< 1432929517 930231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, on some old ASCII systems it is up arrow
< 1432929530 409050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call those ASCII but sure
< 1432929533 773410 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for lang in fi se no dk; do iconv -futf-8 -tiso646-$lang <<<'[\]{|}'; done
< 1432929534 533215 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 \ iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 \ iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0 \ iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0
< 1432929536 320950 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some ASCII-derived systems
< 1432929547 404354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :before everyone converged to ASCII
< 1432929552 75694 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you transmit BASIC with Baudot code in letter mode?
< 1432929552 784858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think the one with up arrow is still ASCII, just it is a old kind of ASCII
< 1432929560 600394 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for lang in fi se no dk; do iconv -tutf-8 -fiso646-$lang <<<'[\]{|}'; done
< 1432929561 468172 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ÄÖÅäöå \ ÄÖÅäöå \ ÆØÅæøå \ ÆØÅæøå
< 1432929577 70358 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: oh, oops
< 1432929586 95524 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what? is left arrow for _ and yen sign for ` and pound sign for # ASCII too?
< 1432929590 307657 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wai
< 1432929594 240920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yen sign was on \
< 1432929595 455449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on `
< 1432929607 590722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1432929610 980666 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1432929614 589970 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, hence the ¥ in filenames
< 1432929623 32601 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :file paths*
< 1432929636 892804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that's never made sense to me though
< 1432929682 526285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCs used cp437 in text mode from the start, and that has a yen symbol
< 1432929694 239956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what variant of DOS ever used such terminals?
< 1432929713 443577 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some serial terminal stuff when you don't have an expensive cga or monochrome card?
< 1432929726 908788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did the monochrome card not support 437?
< 1432929727 904147 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` iconv -tutf-8 -fko17 <<<'DMITRIJ'
< 1432929728 563890 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: conversion from `ko17' is not supported \ Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information.
< 1432929735 726111 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` iconv -tutf-8 -fKO17 <<<'DMITRIJ'
< 1432929736 498471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: conversion from `KO17' is not supported \ Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information.
< 1432929742 599668 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` iconv -tutf-8 -fKOI7 <<<'DMITRIJ'
< 1432929743 323908 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: conversion from `KOI7' is not supported \ Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information.
< 1432929765 954730 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is this about graphics mode where you could display only the low 128 characters because you couldn't read the vga card rom directly and the rom had a copy of only half of the font and ram is expensive?
< 1432929766 573675 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` iconv --list | paste
< 1432929769 678832 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.7875
< 1432929769 946982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1432929789 654348 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I know!
< 1432929808 14032 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's for VGA cards where you could change the font]
< 1432929813 98027 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` iconv -tutf-8 -fKOI-7 <<<'dmitrij'
< 1432929813 562776 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` iconv -tutf-8 -fkoi-7 <<<'DMITRIJ'
< 1432929813 813846 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ДМИТРИЙ
< 1432929814 206650 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​дмитрий
< 1432929820 454450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you changed the font to match a legacy character set used for non-DOS
< 1432929822 14022 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1432929827 277470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1432929838 654245 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handy charset
< 1432929904 575810 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :koi7 is fun because the letters are roughly corresponding to the equivalent roman letters
< 1432929937 406805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was under the impression that it's legitimately an up-arrow in ASCII-63 (ASA X3.4-1963), and all this about a ^ is just newfangled ASCII-67 (ANSI X3.4-1967) nonsense.
< 1432929945 86018 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` iconv -tutf-8 -fkoi-7 << A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric."
< 1432941378 937984 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1432941388 738331 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit hahahahaha
< 1432941439 456236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : garbage in, garbage out <-- psst, that's what everyone was subverting hth
< 1432941465 19221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1432941485 615630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it's not really a "before cyrillic was standardized", it's even crazier than that
< 1432941529 354527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a cyrillic pun, used only in one spot in manuscript bibles
< 1432941609 231147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are other o's with fewer eyes used in other spots)
< 1432941681 324466 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432941735 787126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the word in that spot could be translated with "multiocular", so it's both a description of the letter and of what it's used for...
< 1432941793 196499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia has an extensive set of pages for these
< 1432942027 56034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also it's graded <-- i assume you get A+ if your AI takes over the world
< 1432942048 848531 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not those names for grades!
< 1432942058 491976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly british
< 1432942063 131131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we already went over this hth
< 1432942069 90111 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a high 2-2!
< 1432942072 928105 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost a 2-1!
< 1432942082 790408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you americanized your grade system yet
< 1432942093 590610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that pronounced twee-twee
< 1432942094 26845 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would we do that
< 1432942096 746518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly dutch
< 1432942108 312867 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I'm not dutch
< 1432942110 12385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: went over what you're being ambiguous tdnh
< 1432942124 122260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: d-modules and the british grading system
< 1432942131 193101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1432942169 504587 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, if we americanized the grade system I couldn't get a first in computability and complexity
< 1432942198 111476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: itym americanised hth
< 1432942279 48957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ityarfo
< 1432942286 919507 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1432942292 497004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you are right for once?
< 1432942300 536235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...make that twice
< 1432942366 855995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: actually what you should do is make an AI that takes over the world and changes the grade system, that would work.
< 1432942387 524337 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I only got a 2-2!
< 1432942418 911299 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not that good at AI
< 1432942422 193635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: don't worry, you can write an AI that takes over the world and changes your grade to A+ for any of your modules
< 1432942425 180789 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it could get rounded up to a 2-1
< 1432942427 19295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have to be the AI module
< 1432942431 891375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what you have to expect when your AI only takes over half of Swansea and a piece of Manx hth
< 1432942434 253679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't you get a percentage for grading instead?
< 1432942446 706023 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, we do
< 1432942452 23765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: too logical
< 1432942454 37872 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 59.8% in AI
< 1432942465 878567 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 68% in principles of programming languages
< 1432942531 931986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it seems Taneb isn't the AI type of evil overlord
< 1432942550 705195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is an evil overlord?
< 1432942560 613953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but "Manx" is an adjective
< 1432942561 650060 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, have you seen my surname
< 1432942568 350029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are evil overlords a Tanebvention?
< 1432942573 958866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oops
< 1432942578 174222 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you misunderstand, I took over half of a manx cat
< 1432942578 360625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like taking over a piece of Norwegian, it doesn't make sense grammatically
< 1432942585 827950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no wonder it didn't work, then
< 1432942605 5244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well you could take over the language, add an extra case or something
< 1432942606 803089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why Taneb got a 2-2
< 1432942623 536200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :using adjectives instead of nouns
< 1432942656 270464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how advanced does an ai have to be to figure out your acronyms
< 1432942657 844492 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, the grade hasn't been confirmed yet, it could be rounded up to a 2-1!
< 1432942672 12939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 2-2?
< 1432942683 826363 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, 50% to 60%
< 1432942703 899624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't they just write down the percentages instead of using stuff like 2-2 and so on?
< 1432942707 784543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-2 = 0 hth
< 1432942720 464982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What do they do in BC?
< 1432942730 563693 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, because it's in bands
< 1432942762 84864 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bands are, 40% to 50% is a third, 50% to 60% is a 2-2, 60% to 70% is a 2-1, 70% upwards is a first
< 1432942767 957055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-2 would be a good name for a band
< 1432942779 272596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: pretty advanced
< 1432942782 660036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here in Canada they use the letters A, B, C but I think percentages would be better
< 1432942812 293657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mess with my 2-2
< 1432942859 229992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A, B, C are all only symmetrical on one axis
< 1432942865 529982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i assume they're the same score
< 1432942888 269366 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, but A is symmetrical on a different axis to B and C
< 1432942905 711323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion the only bands should be the pass/fail band
< 1432942930 914953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, I passed my PhD thesis defence today
< 1432942936 411882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You write percentage; letter can be added for other stuff added on, such as pass/fail, "no mark" (0 out of 0), "standing granted", etc
< 1432942941 780709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1432942945 592597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrais523
< 1432942946 375548 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, congrats
< 1432942959 714313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only real bands there are conditional pass, and fail (although there are different grades of conditional pass depending on how onerous the conditions are)
< 1432942962 831832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask rdococ  or should I try to avoid a naming conflict? <-- what naming conflict there's no language called Function hth
< 1432942963 217384 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432942967 693404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ideal condition you want is typo fixes
< 1432942975 126514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How big was your snake?
< 1432942976 13870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooh congrats
< 1432942979 489555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you don't want is a rewrite of the entire thesis to cover a bunch of new options
< 1432943038 207009 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432943061 733635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was your condition?
< 1432943066 428409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your thesis online?
< 1432943093 153745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a bunch of typo fixes, some adjustments to some of the wording, and more clarity as to what the structure is
< 1432943097 918201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't online yet, but the corrected version will be
< 1432943102 730324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually
< 1432943108 724334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll link it to you lot when it is
< 1432943139 799708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it unconditional pass isn't something that happens, then?
< 1432943150 549770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that requires no typos anywhere
< 1432943154 934596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone's that good at proofreading
< 1432943159 823022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so it's in your best interest to leave a few typos in your thesis?
< 1432943161 260857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is theoretically possible but I'm not sure it's ever happened
< 1432943166 321520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise your condition will have to be more serious.
< 1432943190 998767 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the way a B+ is 73 and a A- is 77 but to get an A+ you have to get 90
< 1432943210 736379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: the UK exam system might be worse
< 1432943229 345530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get an A at 80, a B at 70, a C at 60, etc.; however, the actual marks are adjusted so that the grade boundaries all end up where they "should" be
< 1432943230 486878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: In my area there is no + and - for A and B though
< 1432943242 538930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to weird anomalies such as getting 100% despite not answering all the questions (I've managed that before now)
< 1432943268 35269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the UK system used 2-2?
< 1432943293 791296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to trust dr. not my real name here
< 1432943302 115179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: different exam
< 1432943322 432549 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, the 2-2 stuff is at uni, the As etc are in high school (GCSEs and A-levels)
< 1432943323 199364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A levels are A/B/C/D/E/N/U on the scale given there
< 1432943339 358230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :university is 1, 2-1, 2-2, 3, Pass, Fail
< 1432943354 282561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the A in "A level" related to the other A
< 1432943363 947972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Standing granted" is you passed regardless of your actual mark; in my math class one year I would then have SG(NM) if my format is used; they did not assign a mark because many of my assignments were late or incomplete even though I did a good job otherwise and passed all test and stuff very good, and the teacher know I am good at it too)
< 1432943364 458093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it originally stood for Advanced
< 1432943367 973930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it still does
< 1432943396 110072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this was originally to contrast with O for Ordinary, but O-levels no longer exist; the GCSE is the closest modern equivalent)
< 1432943400 719083 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, A-levels now have an A* grade above A
< 1432943403 249873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also have three SAT exams when we're younger
< 1432943412 932729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I remembered that but only after I made the comment
< 1432943418 393332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grade inflation sucks :-(
< 1432943424 212943 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait so OWL's are real?!!?
< 1432943426 251763 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I am not sure how many of the SATs still exist
< 1432943430 22073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-SAT exams?
< 1432943430 921272 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :- the wizarding
< 1432943435 740326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :those sound hard
< 1432943439 481916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grade system is a bit stupid
< 1432943443 36239 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I did year 9 SATs
< 1432943458 534379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing is, they happen at around ages 7, 10, 13, but they're all marked on the same scale from 1 to 9
< 1432943474 799921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just you aren't intended to get 9s at age 7, I think a 4 is a good grade back then
< 1432943492 25367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to do such as P(100%) is the perfect score (although, due to bonus question and other things it might be possible to get slightly higher than 100%), and then F(0%) is the lowest score.
< 1432943499 338317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also you have to declare a target grade and you can only get that grade, one grade higher or lower, or fail outright)
< 1432943500 789047 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. that makes more sense to me
< 1432943503 38384 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 4 is an exceptional grade at age 7
< 1432943512 887965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: was trying to pick the top end of what was reasonable
< 1432943518 739906 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1432943526 794805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is believable, 5 isn't really
< 1432943543 999939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it always the same test?
< 1432943581 899717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same difficulty for each target grade, although ofc they have to change the details year on year to stop people just regurgitating model answers
< 1432943582 887595 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1432943592 319150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in theory
< 1432943609 727338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone got a 9 on the age-13 test could they get a 9 on the age-7 test?
< 1432943618 364740 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, I think they have different tests at different levels)
< 1432943625 108558 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's been a while since I did a SAT)
< 1432943629 571995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but no sane school would let an age-7 pupil target a grade of 8
< 1432943638 30579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they'd be risking a fail, and that looks really embarassing on the stats
< 1432943666 801694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you target a grade?
< 1432943680 975719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just supposed to leave some questions blank instead of trying to answer them and failing?
< 1432943686 635571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :different exam paper
< 1432943700 593187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1432943704 280056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the school says "well we're targeting 80 3s and 70 2s" and gets the appropriate exam papers for that
< 1432943758 512996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have to choose in advance what your maximum score will be?
< 1432943772 221499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1432943781 421322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually one of my least favourite things about UK exams
< 1432943809 787386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is actually true even at GCSE; at A level, you can't really do that because you pick your A level subjects and if you can't at least aim at an A in any of them, you should probably just go get a job)
< 1432943839 624101 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43105&oldid=43104 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+111) 10
< 1432944176 840353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you're twice as famous as i am in the hcar
< 1432944194 974940 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, my goal for November is to be mentioned 5 times
< 1432944203 62169 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, also one of my friends got in HWN this week
< 1432944233 632644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who
< 1432944361 226186 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Michael Walker
< 1432944432 947105 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For his Book database, I think
< 1432944618 957136 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, not only am I famous, I have connections to other famous people!
< 1432945281 281845 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now has some chocolate :)

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< 1432954473 206730 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp
< 1432954551 279670 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I send messages via lambdabot?
< 1432954716 296168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help tell
< 1432954716 508109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell  . When  shows activity, tell them .
< 1432954753 181197 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
< 1432954759 812645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1432954811 644116 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1432954820 205439 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :could I have just used the chat...???
< 1432954951 461176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSSIBLE
< 1432955061 754200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these things always get out of hand
< 1432955108 80451 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way you shouted 'POSSIBLE' in all caps
< 1432955124 412391 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me feel like it would be a POSSIBLE future programming language...
< 1432955135 234781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1432955185 601782 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE
< 1432955212 908732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now made of up to 80% self-produced memes.

< 1432955222 798910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly self-stolen
< 1432955239 963227 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1432955342 135905 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably wont use POSSIBLE
< 1432955373 11203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you help me to fix my level20.trope so that it is less straight if it is supposed to be less straight, or more straight if it is supposed to be more straight, or whatever else is wrong with it?
< 1432955405 586315 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, trying to get new ideas for a new language... function doesnt seem to be going well so I might scrap it... 
< 1432955415 104734 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I really need is the name
< 1432955425 129814 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/the/a
< 1432955452 775122 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was briefly confused as to the meaning of 'straight'

< 1432955481 607098 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still, more thoroughly, confused as to the meaning of a 'trope' file

< 1432955538 751876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ zzo38 is referring to the straight/subverted/etc. distinction used on trope sites.
< 1432955564 612620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes it is
< 1432955570 80258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I am refering to.
< 1432955616 232681 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I already mentioned that my favorite esolangs are the ones that are built on one specific idea?
< 1432955618 269659 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I have.
< 1432955642 813809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but at least now you have done so.
< 1432955700 276809 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what idea is that?
< 1432955720 543442 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait... did I just dero?
< 1432955722 225552 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp*
< 1432955760 520894 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: yes, you did.
< 1432955762 387722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two steps of esolang construction: (1) Find one specific idea to base it around (2) Fill in the rest with _anything_other_than_brainfuck_
< 1432955785 54291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have the other stuff then yes it help
< 1432955799 757774 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I've ever successfully come up with an esolang idea by specifically trying to do so.
< 1432955838 452639 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme try to remember those esolangs I've come up with that I actually like.
< 1432955845 913139 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm... oerjan, you do know I try that all the time?
< 1432955917 130193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: this is general advice hth
< 1432955939 739047 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric ://, Al Dente, Proce. There have gotta be some more.
< 1432956145 244410 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've rewritten the spec for Proce at least once. I'm still not sure about it.
< 1432956195 403959 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1432956218 116712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what I was refering to http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.trope and this in turn refers to a wiki page, which can be corrected to match if needed too; I intend to update both with whatever tropes are applicable.
< 1432956236 799229 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make sure that it's not possible to "cheat" in Proce by taking advantage of the fact that it's implemented as a series of time steps rather than a set of continuously changing analog signals.
< 1432956309 809179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specify that the program can be worked with analog signals too
< 1432956375 672890 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432956563 888822 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Combienti%C3%A8m
< 1432956571 332767 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that one. It looks really confusing.
< 1432956690 332273 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka
< 1432956695 386726 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Markont - oh god what the heck.
< 1432956800 528662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely recalls discussing Markont at some point

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< 1432957047 210012 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "Octopus 0003c LCD-Keypad-SD", whose commands match the newest incarnation of the Fourfuck language, has, like many previous versions of it, a double-sided reference sheet. Said reference sheet is in Courier New 6.5 and is full of text.
< 1432957052 561434 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Markont14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43106&oldid=36034 5* 03Tanner Swett 5* (+27) 10Fixes
< 1432957069 551094 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432957265 508886 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Slide - ah, I love this.
< 1432957310 482606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As ddrescue is copying this drive, I think it's failing more and more
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< 1432957331 325346 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :be glad that you are maing a copy
< 1432957374 79717 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but what of the data already lost?
< 1432957381 297048 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, could positioning of the drive be relevent/
< 1432957390 607980 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sitting outside any container on a piece of plastic
< 1432957417 3370 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be hot
< 1432957423 509484 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I try repositioning it before a retry?
< 1432957461 851680 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should see how well the trimming thingy works
< 1432957562 343813 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Minimum - pffheh.
< 1432957698 807402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very succinct
< 1432957705 736959 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i add one more feature to the program, i will need a three-sided sheet of paper
< 1432957746 197408 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, do you have Grandroids access? What do you think about Grandroids chemistry?
< 1432957764 146537 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with Grandroids.
< 1432957870 355323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chemicals are strings made up of A, B, C, D, X, O. X and O can be operators, only the leftmost operator is relevent. O means the chemical is an enzyme, such that, say, AOB will combine A and B to make AB. X is for lysers, so AXB breaks apart AB into A and B
< 1432957879 998408 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AXXB breaks apart AXB into A and XB
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< 1432957931 441098 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting.
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< 1432957975 872685 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested an S to serve as an escape, like "the next character is not the operator", but it probably overcomplicates it and not being able to do certain things adds some flavor, although he said he'd look at it again if needed
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< 1432958042 204263 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea is to have multiple "strengths" of operators, and the relevant operator is the "strongest" one.
< 1432958119 584133 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Snack14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43107&oldid=23252 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+364) 10
< 1432958255 972398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :People in NESdev wiki argue about whether or not RFC2119 should be used.
< 1432958611 477746 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :RFC2119 SHOULD be used; if you opt to not use it, you MUST NOT use its keywords for different purposes.
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< 1432960102 577561 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing so is the class-4 crime of Competing Standards.
< 1432960213 741951 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how SHOULD one interpret those terms if has chosen that they MUST NOT use RFC2119 
< 1432960691 456049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By not writing all uppercase if it isn't RFC2119
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< 1432962273 539658 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely.
< 1432962303 76352 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SHOULD" and such have quite precise meanings, while "should" and such merely have the common natural language meaning.
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< 1432962469 503078 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I come up with the concept for a joke programming language, am I allowed to put it on the wiki before I actually write the implementation?
< 1432962498 845016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, yes, there are many unimplemented stuff on wiki already
< 1432962512 763253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can also post it without adding into list until implementation is written if you prefer that way
< 1432962524 895578 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1432962550 445054 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it unfair if the implementation requires every implementation of every non-joke language to be installed on the user's box?
< 1432962588 158465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it a joke language, it doesn't matter if it is unfair
< 1432962628 917808 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a better question would be, where can I get a comprehensive list of all implementations of all non-joke languages
< 1432962646 718496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all of them are implemented yet sorry
< 1432962701 145245 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1432962767 114140 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fourfuck needs to be removed from the wiki. It's become too spcialized
< 1432962899 325594 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :"specialized" isn't exactly how I would put it
< 1432962900 178462 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and won't work on anything other than an Arduino Uno + SD Reader + LCD1602 Keypad
< 1432962916 760493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter I think?
< 1432962921 545079 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't seen the current source code
< 1432962925 253857 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION once considered making an esolang based on Activr Worlds scripting

< 1432962943 463001 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages don't have to be defined based on the implementation
< 1432962944 961517 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can always put it back
< 1432962956 223309 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Active Worlds
< 1432962965 741887 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it ever becomes ready
< 1432963110 174325 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00=SIB0SOB0]00=Q000
< 1432963171 506028 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's joke language is called "CompLANG", and will exit unless every implementation of every (non-joke) language parses the code with *no* warnings, will exit with an error

< 1432963233 309576 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elronnd|deminewt: i just typed a fourfuck line
< 1432963279 111156 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, an octopus line, fourfuc being the nme octopus seems to be called here
< 1432963448 115220 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :my personal name for it is octopus (personal joke), the esoteric name is fourfuck
< 1432964132 297893 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely doesn't matter. some of the languages can't be implemented on any real computer, even in principle
< 1432964205 926966 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think there was one explicitly requiring a halting problem orcale?)
< 1432964465 258403 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BananaScheme?
< 1432964486 816344 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two words
< 1432964545 635111 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainhype?
< 1432965226 606759 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432965760 930255 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all
< 1432965941 50553 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Night
< 1432965964 799477 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432966045 550345 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
< 1432966470 261094 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :As they say, the joke is all in the telling.
< 1432966830 733612 :password2_!~password@197.77.48.112 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432966905 179171 :password2_!~password@197.77.48.112 NICK :password2
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< 1432972954 484023 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1432973056 175688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: an esolang that is a derivative of itself
< 1432973197 24188 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43108&oldid=43062 5* 03Ais523 5* (+162) 10/* Derivative Ideas */ +1
< 1432973198 16781 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, like INTERCAL?
< 1432973200 823393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that's just Feather isn't it?
< 1432973216 46261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: INTERCAL isn't a derivative of itself, it's a parody of other languages that existed in the early 1970s
< 1432973252 343101 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, true
< 1432973364 374100 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking I call C-INTERCAL, CLC-INTERCAL, etc all INTERCAL
< 1432973371 189850 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas they are derivatives of eachother
< 1432973387 193562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that counts, I think (although INTERCAL-72 isn't a derivative of any of them)
< 1432973400 755425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can describe newer versions of C-INTERCAL and CLC-INTERCAL as being derivatives of older versions of each other
< 1432973407 93475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no actual infinite regress there
< 1432973411 425068 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But thinking about it I don't think it counts
< 1432973445 538599 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's like calling sin x * cos x or something and going from there)
< 1432973483 494697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is suddenly reminded of the double mockingbird, again

< 1432973513 496989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the best you can manage with a traditional type inference algorithm is to determine that its return value has the same type as itself
< 1432973557 205857 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything you can do with a magic type inference algorithm?
< 1432973576 465029 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43109&oldid=43108 5* 03Ais523 5* (+92) 10/* General Ideas */ mention Snowflake
< 1432973586 971736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you can determine that it doesn't halt
< 1432973603 15170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore its return type is irrelevant
< 1432973615 495765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: you don't need halting problem levels of magic to determine that /that specific term/ doesnt halt)
< 1432973630 697271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x)=e^x is the derivative of itself
< 1432973658 94151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if it's possible to define e^x like that
< 1432973668 544671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the only function that's a derivative of itself?
< 1432973671 258710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too was wondering about thing like that
< 1432973683 77086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although f(x)=0 is also a derivative of itself
< 1432973716 998216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh yes, for some reason I thought it differentiated to1
< 1432973718 547028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to 1
< 1432973721 247932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly I'm tired
< 1432973750 567305 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lim(h->0) (f(x+h) - f(x))/ h = f(x)
< 1432973782 555931 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is much we can conclude from that
< 1432973831 427993 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am not good at this kind of thing
< 1432973844 51840 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1432973849 726270 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432973864 933448 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we can define e to be the constant such that d/dx e^x = e^x
< 1432973899 50579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also seen it written as  d(e^x) = e^x dx
< 1432973900 211209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432973988 636421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the first time I figured out that it is the derivative of itself, it is I figured it out by myself, because, I was in the school there is a separate "math class" and "calculus class"; I learned derivatives in the calculus class and while spare time in the math class I was looking through the textbook and found the series of e^x as well as sin x and cos x. Therefore I figured it out before the teacher told me later that year. (And also how e
< 1432974048 166331 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you were cut of after "(And also how e"
< 1432974062 428797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how e^(ix) is works!)
< 1432974071 818216 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1432974110 168264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that differentiate to ie^(ix)?
< 1432974130 436425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I just realised I probably missed the point
< 1432974141 646715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant how it is related to sin and cos functions
< 1432974183 723714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1432974367 471596 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to get Cairo's example program to compile...
< 1432974375 993716 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ld is saying that none of cairo's names exist
< 1432974426 962098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: missing a library dependency?
< 1432974461 726851 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pkg-config finds Cairo
< 1432974474 890431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did actually ask the question, what is the number k such as that: e^(kx) = cos(x) + k sin(x)
< 1432974485 406143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: does it tell ld about it though?
< 1432974492 873055 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't know
< 1432974497 756837 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I check that?
< 1432974515 495847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was able to answer the question (although it was not assigned); the answer was also given in the back of the book but it simply said square root of -1 but without any further explanation. Imaginary numbers aren't mentioned anywhere else in this book.
< 1432974518 157981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, are you doing anything to a) tell ld you want to link Cairo, or b) tell gcc to tell ld to link Cairo?
< 1432974574 589634 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at C, I was trying to follow Cairo's instructions, but I do not think I am
< 1432974605 619535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, learn to be good at C
< 1432974605 856742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm personally not really a fan of pkg-config
< 1432974669 986481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: however, the documentation implies that you'll need to place the output of "pkg-config --libs cairo" onto the command line that you use as part of the link (if you're building all at once, this will be the same command line as the compile)
< 1432974684 409214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output is, completely unsurprisingly, -lcairo which is how a normal package would do things
< 1432974714 381041 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me it is "-I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12  -lcairo"
< 1432974743 639564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: --libs will give you just the -lcairo bit, I think
< 1432974752 787376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand why it uses pkg-config for the includes, though
< 1432974767 761517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you're giving -lcairo and it isn't working
< 1432974773 379329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're most likely missing the dev symlink for cairo
< 1432974780 765182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Ubuntu it'd be in a package called libcairo-dev
< 1432974787 553796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with the header files
< 1432974800 28476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure which system you're on or what protocols it uses for this
< 1432974868 30283 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"libcairo2-dev is already at the newest version"
< 1432974900 747382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
< 1432974908 490963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to make?
< 1432974909 787016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try again specifying -lcairo manually just in case something stupid is going on
< 1432974963 440959 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nathan@Nami:~$ cc -o c -lcairo C.c
< 1432974963 655918 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C.c:1:19: fatal error: cairo.h: No such file or directory
< 1432974963 655992 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : #include 
< 1432974963 656012 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   ^
< 1432974963 842404 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :compilation terminated.
< 1432974986 817118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops now make sure it is in the include path
< 1432974987 275894 :password2!~password@197.77.48.112 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1432974997 17551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or put in the directory of include path by yourself
< 1432975047 250383 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I get the old error again
< 1432975062 8787 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with lots of undefined reference to ...)
< 1432975095 387370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to work Cairo
< 1432975110 655877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1432975225 809526 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me neither, evidently
< 1432977718 21647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up the way to convert JSON into RDF in case it is useful sometimes; it is possible also converting back other way.
< 1432977725 494249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example:   @prefix : . [ :firstName "John"; :lastName "Smith"; :isAlive true; :age 25; :address [ :streetAddress "21 2nd Street"; :city "New York"; :state "NY"; :postalCode "10021-3100" ]; :phoneNumbers ([ :type "home"; :number "212 555-1234" ] [ :type "office"; :number "646 555-4567" ]); :children (); :spouse  ]  ().
< 1432977735 488629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This example is from the JSON example in Wikipedia)
< 1432977764 230483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you expect this is working OK?
< 1432977955 877323 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432978634 887816 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"joke language" is overused too much.
< 1432978638 328157 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion.
< 1432978659 972598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe...or, maybe only a little bit too much
< 1432980400 55229 :Wright__!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432982329 97186 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"esoteric language"
< 1432982496 601728 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523  an esolang that is a derivative of itself   ; does ASCII Art- count?
< 1432982496 816130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432982584 771767 :password2!~password@197.77.48.112 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432982621 318078 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, it's actually a derivative of a derivative of itself.)
< 1432983453 169685 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432984208 624129 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I am writing horrible C again
< 1432984213 247518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is http://sprunge.us/DHOD portable?
< 1432984220 566699 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/well-defined
< 1432984287 302367 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, dhod
< 1432984287 516132 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: supertux use it for screen? ( and which then generates scheme code) on how monads naturally arise as abstraction devices. anyone interested in coding computer games.
< 1432984543 301992 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks legal. Clearly you need to obfuscate it more
< 1432984609 705194 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f81c-109.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1432994139 776372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432994649 702156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523  is that the only function that's a derivative of itself? <-- f(x) = C*e^x are the only ones
< 1432994649 879911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432994765 417235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 so if you add f(0)=1 it's unique
< 1432994765 632173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432994770 757058 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1432994998 999081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember the "simple" proof

< 1432995052 452841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if f(x) = g(x)e^x, then (g(x)e^x)' = g'(x)e^x + g(x)e^x, so g'(x) = 0 and g is a constant.
< 1432995074 956179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 if f(x) = g(x)e^x, then (g(x)e^x)' = g'(x)e^x + g(x)e^x, so g'(x) = 0 and g is a constant.
< 1432995075 168013 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432995113 34556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 *+function
< 1432995113 210304 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1432995172 754304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty neat proof, really
< 1432995195 500617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ^
< 1432995398 614724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc you can do similarly to find the solution for f''(x) = f(x) etc. (which includes e.g. sin and cos)
< 1432995413 84040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this vaguely remembered from differential equation class
< 1432995460 901448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there's also a more powerful theorem you can use
< 1432995487 384688 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I sort of half remember something
< 1432995506 730166 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait how does that actually prove that this is the only case where f(x) = f'(x)?
< 1432995526 710790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: note that (g(x)e^x)' = g(x)e^x by assumption
< 1432995548 94845 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1432995555 504924 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1432995701 486022 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god I just realized that the thieves' guild in discworld is a metaphor for government
< 1432995715 549882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1432995828 17577 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lmgtfy.com/?q=slowpoke.jpg
< 1432995976 31422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^ you might be interested to
< 1432996145 484704 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what is the general solution to f(x) = f''(x)? f(x) = c_1e^{d x} + c_2e^{-d x} for |d| = 1?
< 1432996183 833885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: d = +-1
< 1432996185 762005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1432996198 709433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm wait
< 1432996242 523035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :d = 1 just as well.
< 1432996291 335438 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works with d=i
< 1432996295 488906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more generally, for n differentiations, d is an nth root of unity.
< 1432996313 777192 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, no it doesn't
< 1432996316 943007 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you get a -
< 1432996319 979662 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1432996362 876821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 2, you can make a base change to use sin and cos instead
< 1432996387 772798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all cases the solution set is a vector space of n dimensions
< 1432996401 417800 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1432996413 798944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1432996419 166043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 4, not 2
< 1432996456 354127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second step negates
< 1432996516 982670 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1432996524 226445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's f''(x) = -f(x) which gets sin and cos, for f''''(x) = f(x) you still keep e^x and e^(-x) as well
< 1432996525 68105 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the misatke I made
< 1432996530 739721 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1432996540 887110 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because +- i is a 4th root
< 1432996545 834253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
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< 1432997104 243916 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I can get cairo programs to compile on my desktop (running Debian) but not my laptop (running Ubuntu0
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< 1433000147 325061 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc12-staf7-2-0-cust182.3-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/) 0 | 0
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< 1433000662 204314 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul_
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< 1433001526 216055 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeoDude
< 1433003112 738009 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does ?: create a sequence point?
< 1433003148 501568 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1433003367 726086 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea for an esoteric spreadsheet. The cells would be numbered by a mapping between N and Q+
< 1433003383 439461 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. that snakey path thing
< 1433003480 579167 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm I guess it has to  be a bijection, not just a 'mapping'
< 1433003595 8931 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, the fun part is, given you are at cell n, how to get the cell below, left, right or up?
< 1433003733 696114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_pairing_function hth
< 1433003795 131073 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :th
< 1433003871 729434 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then, given cantors f, can we define a function g(z) such that if [x,y] = f(z) then [x+1,y] = f(g(z))
< 1433003897 351606 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is the simplest expression of said function?
< 1433004058 858050 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I suppose f above is the inverse.
< 1433004072 655620 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be f^-1
< 1433004514 915407 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433004518 332876 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1433004546 818056 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... z' = z + x + y + 1
< 1433004640 881284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik the tricky part is that you need an integer square root to find out which diagonal you're on
< 1433004668 620970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(essentially)
< 1433004710 740691 :GeoDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1433004720 310856 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeoDude
< 1433004758 303225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not going to be a very pretty formula
< 1433004793 355994 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :z' = z + floor((sqrt(8*z+1)-1)/2) + 1
< 1433004818 381845 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, not pretty at all
< 1433004873 889094 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for z' s.t. y' = y and x' = x + 1
< 1433004919 511498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, looks familiar
< 1433004961 409887 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-186-172.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433005150 305575 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :prettier: z' = z + ⌊(√8̅*̅z̅+̅1̅-1)/2⌋ + 1
< 1433005172 744888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty empty squares
< 1433005220 332960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Late, later, latest
< 1433005304 864424 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, to get z' for y+1 instead of x+1 you add one to the previous
< 1433005404 255082 :password2!~password@197.77.0.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433005783 518618 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433005792 427655 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this enables to represent a 2d array of data without reference to its dimensions... that might actually be useful
< 1433005815 565512 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for a given value of 'useful')
< 1433006350 289110 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the performance for sequential access is pretty abysmal
< 1433006673 57936 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433006677 204438 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433006765 424979 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1433006765 719213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 301700Z 22022G28KT 30SM FEW040CB FEW110 BKN240 29/19 A2987 RMK CB2AC1CI5 AC TR SLP114 DENSITY ALT 1800FT
< 1433006875 468414 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is overheating~~~

< 1433006888 24785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK
< 1433006888 306802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 301653Z 26006KT 10SM OVC006 12/10 A2999 RMK AO2 SLP155 T01220100
< 1433006917 552436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LLBG
< 1433006917 867636 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLBG 301720Z 32005KT CAVOK 22/14 Q1014 NOSIG
< 1433006921 4793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1433006946 81297 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1433006946 257086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 1d 15h 31m 36s ago: So, why did you study in hell, then?
< 1433006966 361894 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan study?
< 1433006966 537643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1433007034 874961 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43110&oldid=43105 5* 0372.74.32.143 5* (+51) 10
< 1433007120 55543 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellochaf.
< 1433007132 762455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boillo
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< 1433007713 408401 :variable!~variable@c-67-188-9-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host
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< 1433010631 777643 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1433010704 2427 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
< 1433010745 780215 :Aearnus!~Aearnus@ip98-177-186-172.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1433011410 963428 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 byte time of day: rounded value of (hour*3600+minute*60+second)*65536/86400
< 1433011487 497639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal_time
< 1433011543 440860 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything old is new again
< 1433011563 307426 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Tang Dynsty old, wow
< 1433011621 753717 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexadecimal#Verbal_and_digital_representations
< 1433011738 439933 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also sunapan.
< 1433011813 240305 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they also used hexadecimal for a bunch of other things, which is neat.
< 1433012070 241186 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is approximately d1ea now
< 1433012330 685475 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1433012356 165783 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm a hex second is 1.318359375 regular seconds...
< 1433012396 467939 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sixteens digit changes every 20 seconds.
< 1433012500 971364 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is hex time useful for?
< 1433012511 679819 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fit in only 2 vytes
< 1433012514 686356 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytes
< 1433012609 822152 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the twofitysixes digit changes every 337 seconds or 5.6 minutes. the fortininysixes digit changes exactly every 1.5 hours
< 1433012865 264341 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the average and maximum conversion error is
< 1433013333 379792 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1433013905 3777 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PART #esoteric :"whatever"
< 1433013957 426647 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the avergae error in conversion to hex time and back is 1/4 of a second
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< 1433014670 399097 :Wright__!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :Wright
< 1433014678 981493 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Microscript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43111&oldid=43110 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+31) 10
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< 1433016967 50331 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Treehugger14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43112&oldid=41558 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+54) 10
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< 1433018040 171739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LADSPA is a bit too simple and LV2 is a bit too complicated and both have a few other problems (although LADSPA does seem pretty reasonable for many stuff); if I make up my own based on something in between LADSPA and LV2 and Csound then what is it called?
< 1433018082 569778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cladspound V2.
< 1433018181 625146 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433018314 580528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it is a bit long (but maybe it is OK, or can be shortened somehow)
< 1433018331 806548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would drop "V2" at least.
< 1433018610 738875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like LV2 we have plugins identified by URIs, and compatible plugins by the same URI (but, even plugins compatible with other systems can be identified: The same as the LV2 URI for LV2, "xurn:ladspa:" for LADSPA, "xurn:vst:" for VST, "urn:uuid:" for DirectX, and "xurn:rdn:" for AU).
< 1433018965 860754 :hilquias`!~user@187.114.216.250 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1433019160 804795 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433020861 73795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try some other kind of name.....
< 1433020892 794647 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody here understand game semantics?
< 1433020907 372651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys: I don't konw
< 1433020911 907462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/konw/know/
< 1433020988 59398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Simple Extensible Audio Plugin System"? "Open Extensible Audio Plugin System"? I don't quite know?
< 1433021020 456771 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i can sort of wrap my head around the interpretation in logic in terms of like, there is a winning strategy for a person defending a proposition or attacking the proposition
< 1433021042 371867 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wonder if it gets significantly more involved when it comes to modelling something like PCF
< 1433021072 234320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a few things but hardly much
< 1433021243 971785 :wolfcub!~wolfcub@177.55.195.202 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433021298 880396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a different idea though of game using sequent calculus: The initial state is any sequent. The first player selects a rule with the current state below the line, filling in parameters as necessary. The second player selects a sequent above the line to move to. A player who runs out of legal moves loses.
< 1433021689 977939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Draws are broken in favor of the second player when it is necessary to break draws.)
< 1433022400 93290 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is MongoDB going to put relational databases out of business?
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< 1433023035 461892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, at least, I still like to use SQLite
< 1433023564 44760 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...However, because internally sort() uses the C++ strcmp api..." O_o "the C++ strcmp api" (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
< 1433023600 205126 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a C++ api, it is a C function!\
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< 1433023615 549301 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433023651 176500 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'mma use the C++ qsort api to sort things too!
< 1433023731 411399 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :source: http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/reference/bson-types/#string
< 1433023733 959906 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because you don't use C++ strcmp to program applications doesn't mean that no one else does.
< 1433023884 596870 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thing normally API implies something more than a C function... like maybe i might refer to "the C string.h API" but even that is pushin it
< 1433024071 334853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen a chess problem where it is mate in 2, but it is not possible to mate in 1 from the position which results after both players make their first move in the first problem; it is again mate in 2. And then after both players make the first move in this second problem, the resulting position is again mate in 2.
< 1433024150 184622 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't sound like a mate-in-2 then
< 1433024208 586222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the next position I mean only the pieces on the board though, as is normal in chess problems.
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< 1433025056 387418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1433025056 563005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily asked 5h 1m 30s ago: study?
< 1433025071 566196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very confusing hth
< 1433025120 484436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1433025121 285624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 302220Z 09010KT 9999 -SHRA FEW025 SCT039 BKN051 09/04 Q1002 RMK WIND 670FT 10013KT
< 1433025134 631296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 degrees difference from boily
< 1433025146 823998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i prefer 9 to 29
< 1433025252 323567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily We already established Laval was there hth
< 1433025252 499475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1433025407 601272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HackEgo is doing that thing again
< 1433025435 960916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie HackEgo is doing that thing again
< 1433025436 136568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1433025478 645153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's for you too, in principle
< 1433025674 628227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you feel about 39 twh
< 1433025704 682003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i feel anything if i'm dead from heat tdnh
< 1433025974 620590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 degrees is totally survivable hth
< 1433025999 70390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see you must be using fahrenheit
< 1433026060 61870 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/zzz/
< 1433026062 845238 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1433026065 600368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilat#Climate
< 1433026066 155947 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong channel
< 1433026078 681460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's my father's idea of a good time hth
< 1433026108 873715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: this is, in fact, not the #sleeping channel
< 1433026391 575132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Draws are broken in favor of the second player when it is necessary to break draws.) <-- now i wonder if there are logics that are asymmetric like that
< 1433026434 318396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_one_ side can use law of excluded middle, but not the other...
< 1433026457 325618 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then how do you decide whice player goes second?
< 1433026466 495856 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*which
< 1433026478 407352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: um i assume you'd get two logics complementing each other, really
< 1433026638 298626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait he's actually there?  i was trying to resist temptation for a negev joke
< 1433026689 593706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(norway isn't known for its deserts, really)
< 1433026880 556278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no
< 1433026892 728409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1433028249 740778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how would write .XM playing software?
< 1433028279 23770 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433028324 47385 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433028352 828435 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the .xm specification. write a player.
< 1433028378 788473 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :.xm seems not as nice a format as .it
< 1433028440 791237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have .xm specification, the specification isn't very good to tell you playing much though
< 1433028471 52242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, .XM is the format that AmigaMML writes, and one advantage of .XM is that it can more easily be piped between programs than .IT format can be
< 1433028802 26058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did however use the specification to make up a program to write .XM files, but I had to fix and add few things that were wrong/missing
< 1433029725 924624 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43113&oldid=41855 5* 03155.133.12.236 5* (+109) 10/* Normal implementations */
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< 1433030933 359415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433031416 714900 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka
< 1433031454 813596 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1433031640 251898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1433031736 338182 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, now that Octopus's language is sufficiently complete that the device has 28K of flash used (32 max) and ~300 bytes of RAM that is not a global variable remaining...(2K max RAM)
< 1433031743 27778 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll have to find a way to actually load a program
< 1433031793 104039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43114&oldid=43040 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+68) 10/* Capuirequiem programs Quine */ new section
< 1433031805 874550 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :or keep doing what i have been doing, reading the program directly from sd card
< 1433031862 955305 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43115&oldid=43114 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+3) 10/* Capuirequiem programs Quine */
< 1433031879 890544 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no more room for new features
< 1433031905 54061 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone care?
< 1433032001 141257 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octopus is pretty much the Fourfuck interpreter for the arduino setup i have
< 1433032366 274389 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CLEB14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43116 5* 0364.180.168.27 5* (+1157) 10A brainfuck extension, essentially.
< 1433033226 190507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Document it
< 1433033299 560712 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433033479 354932 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1433033503 871297 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
< 1433033590 522553 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ere the dingo men get hungry" that's a new one
< 1433034773 172611 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} being used as a substitute for [] for no reason?
< 1433034780 678636 :wolfcub!~wolfcub@177.55.195.202 QUIT :
< 1433035484 272465 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1433035813 436798 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433036089 905860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this Pokemon Pinball I managed to earn 6 extra balls (approximately)
< 1433036397 4923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1433037918 619183 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-094-221-210-255.094.221.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1433038030 602818 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: in what?
< 1433038043 639745 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEB
< 1433038071 826389 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since [] is what's usually used for loops in brainfuck, right?
< 1433038142 896763 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} is apparently if, not while
< 1433038235 981104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whiff
< 1433038362 678898 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then I think I have the commands I need to make the specs for "Brainfuck sans Brainfuck".
< 1433038978 962117 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433039111 206758 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1433041293 158080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Znerq
< 1433041544 503146 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION works on Manta, an alternate interpreter, before preparing a document. He wants to make sure that the language is not based too much around a single implementation.

< 1433041553 779429 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
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< 1433044357 997066 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433044932 606148 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433045137 286389 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1433045224 280905 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :=(~^_^~)=
< 1433045244 695981 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk
< 1433045277 438681 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1433045675 438645 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1433046036 58580 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss X-Setup
< 1433047401 67147 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1433050227 458678 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433051956 889553 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka
< 1433052716 910035 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1433052723 843730 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :removed a bunch of redundant shortcut commands from Octopus dealing with serial communication on a device that crrently uses 5 buttons connected to a single multiplexer and a 16x2 text lcd as its primary means of user interaction
< 1433052729 156834 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :in simpler terms, i saw a bunch of lines of code and went all "WTF?!" on sight of them.
< 1433052916 368163 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :contray to the label, nasacort does *not* last 24 hours...
< 1433052941 280626 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION coughs up all over the channel

< 1433053306 112769 :password2!~password@197.77.0.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433053372 107403 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi password2 
< 1433053445 548409 :password2!~password@197.77.0.27 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Lyka 
< 1433054219 873694 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :A000A100A20AA330[02<+031MSOB1P20_+00]02<
< 1433054301 725258 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap...multipl typos in that code
< 1433054433 208703 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :A000A100A20AA330[02<+031SOB1P20_M+00]02<
< 1433054457 639242 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you decode that?
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< 1433056571 368989 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1433058778 209366 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away
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< 1433059309 372038 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1433059443 529813 :evalj!~jeval@BC066B86.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1433060794 398509 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1433060849 921511 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Does C guarantee that char**argv is writeable?
< 1433060896 928862 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEB is pretty useless
< 1433060924 710566 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. It is writeable
< 1433060968 602912 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wfjsmccicbysrntr QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1433061354 299939 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, when people mention crazy two and three letter acronyms on irc, sometimes I get confused and have to check which channel it is to guess the meaning
< 1433061365 427221 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chat can be so cryptic
< 1433061433 685220 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1433061890 345463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433062780 535049 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's IRC?
< 1433062788 871088 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a crazy acronym of some sort.
< 1433062794 670367 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? IRC
< 1433062993 617799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1433063283 50529 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn IRC is short for "Internet Relay Chat". It is named so because all the servers are constructed from relays
< 1433063397 291956 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433063973 259094 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mechanical relays hopefully
< 1433064253 898847 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :International Roulette Chat
< 1433064272 216189 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Chat/Cake/
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< 1433064628 503160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Ack.
< 1433064628 678804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1433064704 541611 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning
< 1433064945 636827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good pre-noon.
< 1433064960 843749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Finnish has a word for the counterpart of afternoon.)
< 1433065024 928951 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called "morning" in English because they get up late
< 1433065068 113111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a separate word for morning and pre-noon is needed by hard-working farmers only who get up at dawn to feed the household animals before they harvest on the Sun all day
< 1433065082 739299 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy noblemen have no need for such a word for hunting and partying
< 1433065231 606499 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433065488 992805 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1433065850 374371 :rdococ!~rd606six@cpc12-staf7-2-0-cust182.3-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1433065850 550079 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433065861 792691 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :dawn -> morning -> noon -> afternoon -> dusk -> evening -> night -> midnight 
< 1433065894 348466 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Vacation
< 1433065944 184850 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> night -> dawn, cycle
< 1433065955 446179 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :6am 7am 8am 9am 10am 11am 12am 1pm 2pm 3pm 4pm 5pm 6pm 7pm 8pm 9pm 10pm 11pm 12am 1am 2am 3am 4am 5am
< 1433065995 198710 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm
< 1433066000 559978 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two 12ams
< 1433066008 654251 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely one of those should've been 12pm
< 1433066010 699923 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :UMMMMM
< 1433066024 505367 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one I think
< 1433066067 20675 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :12pm doesn't make sense for 12:00
< 1433066070 537731 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be 0pm
< 1433066089 918054 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :January 0th, 2015
< 1433066109 874221 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not 12 hours past noon
< 1433066114 102982 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's *at* noon
< 1433066123 472754 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:00 is 0pn
< 1433066132 991242 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1433066133 648303 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0:00 is 0pm
< 1433066137 876239 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pn and pm
< 1433066141 112130 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :past noon, past midnight
< 1433066155 647669 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I prefer to format time differently.
< 1433066165 656708 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only gonna use pn and pm from now on.
< 1433066171 732883 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :pn?
< 1433066173 108577 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :pm?
< 1433066174 105329 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :past noon
< 1433066175 593335 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :past midnight
< 1433066187 279343 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes the most sense to me
< 1433066190 468859 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you explain am then? "after midnight"?
< 1433066195 97913 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no am
< 1433066207 892047 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1433066225 86692 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :only pn and pm
< 1433066226 538826 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1433066227 770612 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :am is obsolety
< 1433066231 539796 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*obsolete
< 1433066239 275420 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I would prefer an epoch of 6am (or 6pm in your derps), so 0 would be dawn
< 1433066239 985239 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :only archaic rednecks still use that
< 1433066252 138332 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :4OBJECTION!1
< 1433066258 352765 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overruled.
< 1433066262 438051 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what?
< 1433066267 952970 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Motion carries.
< 1433066274 287288 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :am am am am
< 1433066275 86032 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433066286 91995 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shu, metashu, 'patashu
< 1433066301 239862 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORDER! ORDER! Or I'll have to fine you and evacuate this channel.
< 1433066320 702761 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :4OBJECTION!1
< 1433066321 545449 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not a courtroom and you are not a judge
< 1433066333 881318 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I am not a lawyer either
< 1433066334 393936 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn :(
< 1433066415 957963 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1433066417 899726 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmm
< 1433066420 191785 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :0derp
< 1433066515 67137 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored...
< 1433066743 922592 :password2!~password@197.77.0.27 QUIT :Read error: No route to host
< 1433066777 667940 :Wright__!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433066777 944336 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1433066957 151964 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm??????
< 1433066977 54587 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that some kind of joke I missed or is that your real nickname?
< 1433066998 341458 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1433067557 800975 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1433067634 662529 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently nobody knows what 12am is. http://www.npl.co.uk/reference/faqs/is-midnight-12-am-or-12-pm-faq-time
< 1433067680 289979 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use 24 hours
< 1433067909 108044 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is often said that 12 a.m. Monday is midnight on Monday morning and 12 p.m. is midday.
< 1433067933 194995 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer it if we counted hours after dawn and after dusk...
< 1433067973 816595 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 0s (for Sun) would be 6am, 6s midday, 0m dusk (for Moon), 6m for midnight...
< 1433067993 655421 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just count hours after dawn. "It's half past 5s."
< 1433068052 774773 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then 12 hours later... "*Yawn* half past 17s already?! gotta go to bed..."
< 1433068125 353429 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a 24 hour clock, 0s would be to the right, 6s down (or up if you're in the southern hemisphere), 12s to the left, and 18s opposite 6s.
< 1433068164 299367 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would 0s be on the right...
< 1433068174 273215 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :because sun rises in the east, duh
< 1433068188 966942 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0s would be 6am
< 1433068191 383148 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason why east should be to the right
< 1433068243 315702 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually when we see an illustration of the earth, the north pole is near or at the top of the image. unless we live in a mirror, then east would be to the right.
< 1433068289 137681 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also no reason why a device that mimics the movement of the sun should use the ground as its reference; it makes much more sense to look at the sky
< 1433068303 896852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which, I believe, the Chinese actually do)
< 1433068310 921298 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1433068320 116738 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1433068326 527181 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1433068355 287526 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about, instead of up representing north, have up represent up, and 6s would be where 12 is now on the clock
< 1433068394 364379 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :to illustrate the first point, have a look at the map on http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e7116.html
< 1433068397 259893 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :0s to the right, 6s upwards, 12s to the left, 18s downwards
< 1433068432 446513 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1433068464 597027 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1433068472 789460 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1433068475 289123 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you care to explain?
< 1433068637 513148 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1433068676 426376 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :*insert intentionally 4objection1able statement here to stop awkward silence*
< 1433068736 919386 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1433068807 300661 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.metafilter.com/136772/A-cartographic-history-of-why-North-not-East-or-South-is-up ... it appears that ultimately this is Ptolemy's fault.
< 1433068976 751320 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks ptolemy, thanks to you my statements are no longer 4objection1able
< 1433069001 203647 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I wanted a map like this https://i.imgur.com/Cc6gxWq.jpg or this, http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/amago/b-streams/flytying/images-fly/TenkaraMap1.gif
< 1433069030 904928 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :4ha... !1
< 1433069084 640329 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ptolemy said...
< 1433069113 998410 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South-up_map_orientation
< 1433069136 294543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you brought this up yourself.
< 1433069159 644331 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was really looking for an east up orientation, but that seems to be quite rare.
< 1433069228 198203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that most of the inhabited land is in the northern hemisphere is probably one retroactive justification for it
< 1433069254 8947 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :4Ha... !1
< 1433069395 715307 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1433069429 146878 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bash.org/?311375
< 1433069463 787475 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(Haha, very funny...)1
< 1433069569 338236 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my points are 4redder...1 and less 4objection1able...
< 1433069628 176275 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(Awkward silence...)1
< 1433069630 755816 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION filters colors.

< 1433069645 892839 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(umm... what?)
< 1433069666 458760 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you an admin?
< 1433069718 816991 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a client feature. http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/filtered.png
< 1433069825 658671 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(Phew...)1
< 1433069963 271181 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1433070733 263315 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1433070935 779987 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433071974 563483 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433071990 352896 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1433072252 726186 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(... Awkward silence...)1
< 1433072442 677098 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PART :#esoteric
< 1433073096 911948 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(AWKWARD)1
< 1433073742 149688 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433073865 621413 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433074073 468235 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1433074193 660228 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello?
< 1433074276 444538 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl NICK :Welo
< 1433074876 881155 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves at rdococ

< 1433074880 951873 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdhellococ!
< 1433074888 168017 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1433074888 380129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 13h 47m 17s ago: We already established Laval was there hth
< 1433074939 748193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433074955 200701 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan ah! yes. well, brutal concrete architecture helps one focus on the déchéance of post-modern higher education in a context of external opulence.
< 1433074955 376471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1433074960 900808 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan (hth)
< 1433074961 76504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1433074979 394796 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dafuq
< 1433075077 337131 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mynamello!
< 1433076082 296384 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(...)1
< 1433076092 689256 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1433076113 336406 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should filter colors
< 1433076133 859220 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(:c why?)1
< 1433076156 644388 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely colors arent that distracting?
< 1433076308 104902 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying
< 1433076613 225816 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12,1colours 13,2are 14,3good 15,4for 16,5your 17,6health.
< 1433077214 622197 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1433077890 701236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1433077963 404631 :nys!~nys@blk-103-227-154.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433079426 441418 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(uh not when used THAT much...)1
< 1433079474 553209 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(come on, 5boily,10 seriously...)1
< 1433079524 23178 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433079558 725261 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16sixteen 17seventeen 18eighteen 19nineteen twenty
< 1433079570 927828 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :colours only go up to 15. meh.
< 1433079579 428994 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 rlly?
< 1433079584 35133 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4four
< 1433079586 838929 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :black on black are the best
< 1433079595 58526 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,1 yeah
< 1433079596 265148 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,0zero on zero.
< 1433079624 799696 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler alert 1,1you dun goofed
< 1433079730 682231 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mapoles rdococ

< 1433079752 174169 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,8What does mapole mean?
< 1433079811 392051 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole
< 1433079819 681922 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards.
< 1433079830 365836 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? thwackamacallit
< 1433079831 60609 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thwackamacallit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1433079864 158767 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,8:c1,0 srsly
< 1433079960 564609 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a maple pole. a mapole.
< 1433079989 115394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not pineful, but painful.
< 1433080121 885408 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,8^_^1,0
< 1433080299 366646 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,7(12o0)1,7_0,7(12o0)1,0
< 1433080463 181948 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the colors but its a little too fun
< 1433080508 458729 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm I'm going to go create a testing channel... if you want to follow me then use /whois
< 1433081039 352476 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-17-168.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433081079 673605 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-17-168.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1433081086 458827 :password2!~password@197.77.0.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433081164 560725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433081173 365652 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1433081212 103412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1433081212 316030 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 4h 36m 24s ago: Ack.
< 1433081212 316135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 1h 44m 17s ago: ah! yes. well, brutal concrete architecture helps one focus on the déchéance of post-modern higher education in a context of external opulence.
< 1433081212 316162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 1h 44m 11s ago: (hth)
< 1433081264 607560 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10("Ack"?! what's that supposed to mean?!)1
< 1433081268 550855 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan.
< 1433081277 189953 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: it's not NAK hth.
< 1433081323 461207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: "Acknowledged", hth
< 1433081326 637020 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ackermann
< 1433081354 548466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lavalboily.
< 1433081366 900790 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ackermann
< 1433081367 684616 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ackermann? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1433081372 440350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? NAK
< 1433081373 159819 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAK? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1433081377 155033 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CRalphabet14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43117&oldid=39620 5* 032.218.203.250 5* (-10) 10/* Implementation */
< 1433081387 362450 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: have you ever fed Graham's Number into Ackermann?
< 1433081408 675098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat /dev/null >wisdom/nak
< 1433081410 578172 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1433081444 726093 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Nope.
< 1433081447 476098 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAKermann
< 1433081514 277381 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(What on earth are they on about...?)1
< 1433081517 671298 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. that would be a reverse ackermann.
< 1433081538 505285 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *sigh* how am I going to format this on in the PDF...
< 1433081543 649780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the funny thing is that feeding Graham's number into Ackermann is _far_ less of an increase than simply incrementing the index on it.
< 1433081565 910077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. G_65 >>> A(G_64, G_64).
< 1433081567 119577 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1433081579 994608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i suggest not acknowledging it hth
< 1433081586 592864 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: don't worry. it'll all come to you in due time. fnord.
< 1433081601 236002 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(...Seriously?)1
< 1433081633 695678 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh. holy fungot in fizzie's host. I... G_65 is >>> than A(G_64, G_64)? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
< 1433081633 908069 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: does it work if you used an old mac
< 1433081635 313004 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep thinking I've solved P=NP just as I fall asleep
< 1433081644 721732 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: probably not.
< 1433081644 897467 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm using erc version 4.0 revision: fnord with gnu emacs, though.
< 1433081648 214822 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a normal problem?
< 1433081657 563105 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: seriously.
< 1433081667 726801 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be serious.
< 1433081681 608788 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being serious here is objectionable.
< 1433081684 364280 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is very tempted to make an Airplane! reference...

< 1433081693 95474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the G method of making humongous numbers more or less starts with ackermanns as the first, tiny step.
< 1433081704 263114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not _exactly_ that, but close.)
< 1433081706 450741 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what an "Airplane! reference" means...

< 1433081721 862519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: surely you must know Airplane!
< 1433081733 938851 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, in some countries it is called Flying High!
< 1433081746 512951 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know 4Objection!1 but not this "Airplane!" stuff...?
< 1433081752 942757 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I forgot to unbold -.-
< 1433081757 658651 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080339/?ref_=nv_sr_1
< 1433081757 949463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in norway it was "Hjelp, vi flyr!"
< 1433081777 264017 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1433081781 734470 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?!
< 1433081813 736370 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody know how to get the translated titles of a movie on imdb?
< 1433081815 346382 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the exclamation mark?
< 1433081875 654653 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's part of the title.
< 1433081940 381448 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... 4,8why?1,0
< 1433081956 930120 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! «Y a-t-il un pilote dans l'avion?» is the French version.
< 1433081967 330661 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: see, no exclamation marks in French!
< 1433082064 925299 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :5Why?!
< 1433082077 778574 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEACUASE!
< 1433082087 774091 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bea-cua--se????????????????????
< 1433082103 412739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beacuase is quebecois for because hth
< 1433082119 320990 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :4QUEBE-- COIS????
< 1433082132 93792 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z2Z23SAFVA
< 1433082136 130236 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :redundancy much?
< 1433082148 637484 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the department of redundancy department.
< 1433082153 279910 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would be «à cause» hth.
< 1433082157 664794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, québécois
< 1433082238 10477 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :4QU-- �B�COIS?!
< 1433082258 912616 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(I'd prefer Esperanto...)1
< 1433082357 220181 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned some Esperanto when I was in high school. (along with a little bit of Quenya and Sindarin. 8th and 9th grades were interesting times...)
< 1433082407 32507 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(That's it, I'm making my own conlang...)1
< 1433082420 545681 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(S!!!)1
< 1433082436 650545 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...umm that S symbol didnt work did it...?
< 1433082448 445066 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it also be an esolang?
< 1433082459 678344 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: unless I'm unicodly mistaken, it's a latin capital S, no more.
< 1433082470 795483 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason
< 1433082490 620311 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was meant to be a greek capital letter sigma
< 1433082510 943713 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but looks like it turned into an S somehow
< 1433082534 693413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :älisil i ruom 1 sivoc 10 itë miascutû i
< 1433082536 828167 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(IRC only supports ASCII and a few extensions, I guess)1
< 1433082601 55877 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :すみませんが、ちょっと違うと思います。
< 1433082605 403099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I DIΣAGREE
< 1433082646 634184 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :10(...mIRC certainly is objectionable.)1
< 1433082647 830016 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newer ones support unicode.
< 1433082663 898514 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :すみませんが、ちょっと違うと思います。
< 1433082668 348602 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg
< 1433082675 31512 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have such a client myself.
< 1433082687 864933 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what client do you use that supports unicode?
< 1433082711 306249 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :S
< 1433082713 12467 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1433082725 886503 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weechat.
< 1433082751 346028 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall finally 4object1 to mIRC's stupidity. I cannot put up with it anymore.
< 1433082755 486561 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :
< 1433082822 123720 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-0-195.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quickly, everyone else play Pheonix Wright so we can make a follow-up joke when he gets back.
< 1433082866 620449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i can pretend to know Airplane! but not that.
< 1433082905 470473 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433083172 608251 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433083198 697868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? irc
< 1433083199 540683 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc is useless.
< 1433083212 943063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wait wat
< 1433083213 677493 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wait: not found
< 1433083220 496218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1433083251 351881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn IRC is short for "Internet Relay Chat". It is named so because all the servers are constructed from relays.
< 1433083253 75794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'irc': IRC is short for "Internet Relay Chat". It is named so because all the servers are constructed from relays.
< 1433083295 329890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: hth
< 1433083696 541670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : this is why I would prefer an epoch of 6am (or 6pm in your derps), so 0 would be dawn <-- the time of dawn depends on season hth.  in some parts of norway the sun doesn't always rise at all.
< 1433083705 544890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait he didn't return
< 1433083825 341710 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433083840 626740 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up downloading pidgin.
< 1433083853 322089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : this is why I would prefer an epoch of 6am (or 6pm in your derps), so 0 would be dawn <-- the time of dawn depends on season hth.  in some parts of norway the sun doesn't always rise at all.
< 1433083872 980712 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ik
< 1433083878 915003 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as an approximation...
< 1433083909 81406 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where were we... aha
< 1433083919 528460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric irc channel hth
< 1433083921 242794 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the Σ symbol work...?
< 1433083936 38942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :marvelleuse
< 1433083951 164946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, should there be an i in that
< 1433083963 262069 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use english
< 1433083968 745917 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :merveilleuse. with an e, and an i.
< 1433083985 694379 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: non. c'est bin plus mieux en français, tsé :D
< 1433083991 933704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: ka så e gøye me de?
< 1433083992 109287 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :department of redundancy department
< 1433084001 602842 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝚺𝛴𝜮𝝨𝞢Σ∑
< 1433084019 83793 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't display properly, except for the two sigmas at the end
< 1433084032 945207 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝜮???
< 1433084050 221416 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 𝜮
< 1433084052 375956 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1D72E MATHEMATICAL BOLD ITALIC CAPITAL SIGMA]
< 1433084058 96645 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one was a sum symbol; all the others were actually capital sigmas.
< 1433084085 656015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*løye
< 1433084097 758841 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't work in my terminal, but my browser can handle them in http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2015-05-31 )
< 1433084164 763537 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1433084189 727854 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do the same character 6 times have different appearances?! Δ!!!
< 1433084204 391756 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: løye?
< 1433084205 859797 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... theyre different...
< 1433084210 229753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: unicode hth
< 1433084224 420846 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: the wonders of Unicode, where everything is a codepoint an z-variants don't matter.
< 1433084227 530489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nynorsk / southern dialect for "fun" hth
< 1433084236 53717 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah!
< 1433084349 403267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: z-variant?
< 1433084456 150961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: it's one of the greater silly features of Unicode, where the powers that be decided to encode into codepoints a particular choice of fonts in a typeface...
< 1433084470 489084 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but only for letters used as mathematical symbols.
< 1433084580 380060 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's _not_ silly
< 1433084590 560779 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1433084592 927743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1433084601 175064 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not among the more silly ideas of unicode
< 1433084644 363253 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Han Unification and all that kerfuffle.
< 1433084647 934454 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mathematical writing is one of the few places where changing typographical details actually results in a change of meaning.
< 1433084652 964859 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they included a full set of (standard) chess pieces, but only ☖☗ for Shogi.
< 1433084692 595031 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems a bit biased.
< 1433084704 978909 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all of the Shogi symbols are recognizable Han characters, right?
< 1433084739 55281 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I think
< 1433084750 266525 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that there should be a new system
< 1433084768 808968 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: they have standard kanji representation. used in newspaper problems and records.
< 1433084772 456291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: not really
< 1433084800 279945 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a character's id would be 8x8 black-and-white image (64 bits) and would contain every character ever
< 1433084811 953586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: as awful as Unicode is, at least it's a single standard that is being more or less universally adopted.
< 1433084826 462557 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the kanji representation isn't necessarily the same as what actually appears on the piece.
< 1433084885 339112 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shogi_narikyo.png doesn't look like "成香" to me. Or maybe 成香 isn't the same as the standard representation.
< 1433084919 263226 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scaling it up would use some kind of super scaling method that doesnt show the jagged shape
< 1433084939 311643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I feel that there should be symbols having the proper Kanji inside the Shogi piece outline.
< 1433084942 783540 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or my idea which was a combination of bicubic interpolation and nearest neighbour
< 1433084963 692936 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, there probably should.
< 1433084989 233430 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically: bicubic interpolation average weight values, the color with the higher value would fill that pixel
< 1433085017 880369 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like if you drew a black line on white image, scaled it up with bicubic then saved it as 1-bit image
< 1433085050 119549 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: have you seen https://github.com/nagadomi/waifu2x ? it's all the rage lately.
< 1433085077 323900 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: holy calligraphy batman! that indeed doesn't look like 成香 at all...
< 1433085088 672353 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAAAT
< 1433085097 42931 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just epic
< 1433085119 494005 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does look a fair bit like 仝.
< 1433085128 326855 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww
< 1433085128 541969 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 仝
< 1433085129 220442 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+4EDD CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-4EDD]
< 1433085144 478515 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode is so dirtt
< 1433085157 79075 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :dirty*
< 1433085196 564797 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: right. stuff promoted to golds are variations on 全.
< 1433085336 344830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* int-e filters colors. <-- reading the color codes in the logs is just _so_ nice.
< 1433085356 908415 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet 全, 今, 仝, and 个 are the standard print representations of those pieces, and they're not actually the same characters that are on the pieces, but rather other characters chosen for their resemblance to them.
< 1433085576 23923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to paste, except the control characters are actually _there_ and so copy fine, just not shown by the browser.
< 1433085784 933828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A thwackamacallit is like a whatchamacallit, but more painful.  See mapole.
< 1433085786 715704 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'thwackamacallit': A thwackamacallit is like a whatchamacallit, but more painful.  See mapole.
< 1433086297 407416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? whatchamacallit
< 1433086298 355487 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatchamacallit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1433086332 577556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT NEVER ENDS
< 1433086480 544404 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey everyone! Remember that neural net?
< 1433086481 208662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the dilemma of infinite /wisdom.
< 1433086516 778000 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna do the same thing again, but with a stupidly huge net size. I'm thinking 1400.
< 1433086546 150074 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fifty years from now, 1400 will undoubtedly be considered tiny.)
< 1433086584 322354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ☤
< 1433086585 28999 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2624 CADUCEUS]
< 1433086589 36029 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a what?
< 1433086598 900319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure by now the neural net must have taken over tswett's account.  don't trust it!
< 1433086628 299566 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had the right association, but nevertheless, I don't remember that term... sigh.)
< 1433086630 942349 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that this virtual machine actually has enough virtual hard drive space. Lemme check on that.
< 1433086678 485181 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more (power I must) acquire, more Power,
< 1433086729 78221 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hundred googlebugs. That's probably enough space.
< 1433086749 915518 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you think tswett has become the next fungot generation?
< 1433086750 115757 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there we go! go! gone! let's prepare our defenses!
< 1433086789 181185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well with fungot clearly confirming it...
< 1433086789 474944 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the f is different from mzlib's local. the short-hand is called a " retarded noob". which is to say you were
< 1433086793 796895 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, where did all my hard drive space go?
< 1433086797 942694 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :300 GB are just missing.
< 1433086839 318442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so you're saying it's not smart enough to be a threat, yet?
< 1433086839 598909 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you don't have to have a new garbage collector to show him that cl isn't the only language with unused prefixes left right now. but i want to
< 1433086887 481593 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Please stop making sense.
< 1433086887 696098 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it is fnord
< 1433086892 171156 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, what's on this unmounted partition?
< 1433087141 432898 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to contain anything important. I mean, it contains lots of stuff with the word "boot" in it. But there's probably only, like, a 20% chance that those are necessary for me to boot my computer.
< 1433087142 614952 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433087183 9933 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: nuke the partition, and reboot! FOR SCIENCE!
< 1433087188 10509 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's "the active system partition".
< 1433087192 787610 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's 300 GB of it there's a 100% chance that some of it is unnecessary
< 1433087295 935751 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1433087301 3128 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually 146 GB.
< 1433087313 965960 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's 97 GB of unallocated space.
< 1433087385 375145 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 100% chance that your computer isn't reading 146 GB of data on boot
< 1433087646 958823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: (100-1/G_64)%
< 1433087730 27399 :password2!~password@197.77.0.27 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1433087824 845284 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, in a few moments, I'm going to have a pretty weird hard drive setup.
< 1433087902 910058 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have: the backup partition (341 GB), unallocated space (97 GB), the system partition (9 GB), unallocated space (136 GB), the C: partition (345 GB).
< 1433087925 556396 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot extend the C: partition backwards.
< 1433088325 867748 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blink blink. diskpart just created a non-continuous partition spanning both chunks of unallocated space.
< 1433088335 853402 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't expect it to do that, but that happens to be exactly what I wanted.
< 1433088973 234669 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`metar KXTA
< 1433088973 819059 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: metar: not found
< 1433088977 494668 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KXTA
< 1433088985 753078 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah which bot was it
< 1433089107 85772 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KXTA
< 1433089108 36998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1433089122 94294 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was ~. it shall be ~. but for now it's @.
< 1433089200 577937 :password2!~password@197.77.0.27 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433089203 70967 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that is Area 51
< 1433090089 284226 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433090125 241204 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vocab size: 254"
< 1433090134 80478 :Wright__!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1433090136 747238 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the logs contain every byte except for two.
< 1433090269 959637 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing null and carriage return.
< 1433090333 112501 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that training this net may take a really, really, really long time.
< 1433090392 423390 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1433090546 398059 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: do you have any snazzy graphical progress indicator? blinkenlights or whirling mechanical parts?
< 1433090623 983265 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1433090700 567941 :Froox!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1433090754 797278 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just some text.
< 1433090762 884697 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's graphically rendered text.
< 1433090890 454418 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION yanks some sticks out of the VM.

< 1433090976 353617 :Wright__!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433090977 146666 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1433091550 877352 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, look at that swap... and that free space?
< 1433091570 5062 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's using swap *and* there's completely unused memory?
< 1433091577 652720 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, whatever floats its boat.
< 1433091889 207533 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433091976 347703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's normal, Linux tends to think it's worthwhile to swap out data to make room for the file system cache.
< 1433092133 631021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swappiness
< 1433092398 201916 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433092793 189069 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1433092912 70006 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433092970 674103 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433093350 815212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433093451 223735 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know you frequented #esoteric 
< 1433093590 611718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a little surprised that you did
< 1433093608 662423 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Maxsteele214]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43118&oldid=23379 5* 0337.248.255.236 5* (+131) 10Added a reply to subsection "Hey..."
< 1433093681 785647 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Emo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43119&oldid=35252 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+140) 10Checking the interpreter.
< 1433093880 379333 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1433093988 52545 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Emo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43120&oldid=43119 5* 03Rdebath 5* (-29) 10Is not Trivially Turing Complete as the looping construct cannot emulate a while-switch
< 1433094177 773557 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433094215 437984 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1433094295 800103 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog has the porperty that facts about a program's state can be reported in prolog
< 1433094319 709337 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
< 1433094354 983274 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which other porgraming languages have that porperty?
< 1433094427 141484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: in Underlambda, you can capture the program's entire state in Underlambda (by design)
< 1433094439 701814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. specify what the stack and remaining program are in Underlambda syntax
< 1433094446 999966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that in Underload too, by implication
< 1433094600 991263 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1433094767 17698 :Welo!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1433094831 867150 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't lisp the same?
< 1433095003 279945 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in "top", under "Mem free", doesn't that number exclude disk cache?
< 1433095077 998360 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp, so far, the net has successfully performed 0 training rounds.
< 1433095088 343988 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In about, like... an hour?
< 1433095115 623999 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1433095186 679911 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game
< 1433095196 21723 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1433095202 423273 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what task
< 1433095211 687422 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the neural nyetworking task
< 1433095212 371301 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433095217 930573 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how big a net
< 1433095253 627367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: thats more of a metatask for the researcher
< 1433095357 683650 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's training on the IRC logs for this channel
< 1433095366 497523 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily!
< 1433095382 550919 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :training to do what?
< 1433095420 727373 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To create random logs that look like them.
< 1433095440 584294 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:CLEB14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43121 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+389) 10Huh? What's wrong with comment loops?
< 1433095441 101501 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of parameters is apparently 30,353,054.
< 1433095561 494298 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1433095643 711377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Emo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43122&oldid=43120 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+60) 10Grr wrong wiki.
< 1433095680 430103 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from scrollback) There are IRC clients that don't support unicode?
< 1433095703 83728 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-27-215.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433095794 600872 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I thought irssi on terminal was about the most primitive irc client still used
< 1433095818 824220 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own IRC client cannot send non-ASCII characters, alhough any non-ASCII characters it receives are simply sent to the terminal emulator as is, so any encoding can be used and is not limited to UTF-8.
< 1433095912 904574 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia!
< 1433095920 267459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Implementing it like this is necessary in order to do line-wrapping properly when other messages are received while you have an unfinished message being typed too.)
< 1433095933 325996 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION kills the neural net.

< 1433095937 954721 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1200 is too big, let's try 1000.
< 1433095965 210855 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to resist his mattress' siren song, but fails his fortitude check.

< 1433095998 789637 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1433095999 167060 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SUBMERGED CHICKEN
< 1433096036 270803 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a Will save to resist the urge to go climb into your mattress, or a Fortitude save to avoid just passing out.
< 1433096178 769201 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :そうですか？　だって、日本語で長い長いメセージを書いて、正しにラッピングするか？　
< 1433096240 533263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'd expect it to be a straight Con check
< 1433096248 776927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming we're talking D&D third edition
< 1433096253 132088 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes it does
< 1433096262 715606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because you don't want high-level characters to be able to stay awake indefinitely
< 1433096279 677593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apart from arguably the neversleeping paladin trick, but there's some debate about whether that actually works)
< 1433096419 198463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have play Dungeons&Dragons game 3.5 edition. You may be correct but even then only the kind of creatures that cannot sleep, are allowed to stay awake indefinitely, would be how I would do anyways
< 1433096419 713666 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433096420 645603 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jabutosama 5*  10New user account
< 1433096470 79112 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gisqzucjusksbvjm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433096603 671368 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :あいうえおかきくけこさしすせそたちつてとなにぬねのまみむめもやゆよらりるれろわをん一二三四五六七八九十百千万億月火水木金土日朝晩夜春夏秋冬晴雲雨雪雷
< 1433096623 636862 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that wrap correctly on everyone's screens?
< 1433096639 383643 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1433096652 673321 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all I saw was a bunch of うえ
< 1433096657 500064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, although the terminal font can't display these characters
< 1433096659 599052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fits on one line to me, not sure if that counts as wrapping correctly
< 1433096671 823933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to copy/paste to something else to display the text properly.
< 1433096694 80572 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :My terminal font can't display *any* of these characters
< 1433096702 366409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust growth <
< 1433096702 876169 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really?
< 1433096704 668037 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Jabutosama14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43123 5* 03Jabutosama 5* (+449) 10made.
< 1433096720 752845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust growth2 nethack4.org/pastebin/growth2.bfjoust
< 1433096725 789874 :Elronnd|deminewt!~elronnd@duckbot.xd.cm PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Do you knowwhat your name means?
< 1433096727 62249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do have a BF Joust bot in here, right?
< 1433096742 210816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zemhill_: help
< 1433096743 53106 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently some kind of tree in hebrew?
< 1433096752 485425 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_growth: 0.0
< 1433096752 861672 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_growth2: 6.2
< 1433096755 951243 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Jabutosama14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43124 5* 03Jabutosama 5* (+87) 10Created page with "Tell here your message to me (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧ ✧ﾟ･: *ヽ(◕ヮ◕ヽ)"
< 1433096758 962490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.2? seriously?
< 1433096781 463120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, the scoring's on a different scale from what I'm used to
< 1433096807 333491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust growth2 nethack4.org/pastebin/growth2.bfjoust
< 1433096809 785947 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_growth2: 6.1
< 1433096860 623378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, growth2 does much better than that local, I have a feeling that EgoBot is failing to parse it correctly
< 1433096939 780510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I bet it's running the URL as a program
< 1433096942 195138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the file at that URL
< 1433096946 386720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust growth2 http://nethack4.org/pastebin/growth2.bfjoust
< 1433096951 263766 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_growth2: 54.7
< 1433096953 800778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better
< 1433096965 624420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and top of the hill
< 1433096970 914139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, now I get to describe it
< 1433097013 590263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't expecting it to win, but I was testing against the zemhill hill; some of its worst matchups aren't on the egojoust hill
< 1433097047 454120 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it is supposed to show as a list of every hiragana, followed by numbers 123456789,10,100,1000,10000, followed by the abbrevation s of the days of the week, folled by morning evening and night, followed by the seasons, followed by some words for weather
< 1433097110 971419 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and after 10000 is the word for 100000000 forgot that one
< 1433097130 500600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only marginally beats simple
< 1433097143 566321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is unsurprising, simple does quite well against modern "advanced" programs because it doesn't do things that get exploited
< 1433097159 21088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, growth2 is confused by old-fashioned forwards decoy setups
< 1433097749 790240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's !zjoust for zemhill now.
< 1433097762 492552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Although I'm not entirely sure how well it's functioning.
< 1433097766 561526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust growth2 http://nethack4.org/pastebin/growth2.bfjoust
< 1433097776 634848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1433097791 370155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot was pretty slow
< 1433097797 144384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The console says "done" already.
< 1433097810 609372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to look into it, but I'm a bit busy now.
< 1433097811 988428 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Graph14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43125&oldid=35499 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+985) 10Defined: "directed graph", "multigraph", "RDF graph"
< 1433098011 568503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Graph14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43126&oldid=43125 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+98) 10Define "planar graph"
< 1433098438 312739 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, the neural net got OOM'd.
< 1433098559 978301 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a Linux command which outputs the current kernel time (the same number that the kernel puts before timestamps in messages printed to the console)?
< 1433098644 872781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'd guess it'd be the same value on one of the POSIX timers
< 1433098653 250466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think there's a command to print those but I can't remember what it is
< 1433098663 643634 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if I can find something in /proc or /sys.
< 1433098670 144788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a moment
< 1433098764 365482 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm not sure what that number is, but try perl -we 'use Time::HiRes; print Time::HiRes::clock_gettime(Time::HiRes::CLOCK_MONOTONIC()), $/;'
< 1433098791 693234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will print in seconds though
< 1433098834 852801 :rdococ!~rdococ@unaffiliated/octagonfly PART :#esoteric
< 1433098844 894989 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like that did it. Thanks.
< 1433098865 669543 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, but I think also this:
< 1433098867 639878 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat /proc/uptime
< 1433098887 653674 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that that's the same number as the kernel message timestamps, but it seems close.
< 1433099011 221025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the amazing thing about growth2 is
< 1433099021 970477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing it against simple on tape length 25 (the default) actually gives a really clear view of how it works
< 1433099035 615845 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07BF Joust strategies14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43127&oldid=40554 5* 03Ais523 5* (+3004) 10/* 2015 */ because we couldn't go a year without a new hill-topper
< 1433099050 528240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been working on other strategies too but I haven't managed to make them work as well
< 1433099111 695812 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2016 will be the year without a new bf joust hill-topper. also linux desktop"
< 1433099141 230896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: seriously, I was looking at BF Joust on esolang
< 1433099145 532943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw the 2015 section wasn't there
< 1433099159 13321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought "wow, I must go win the hill before the year's out so that we don't have an empty section"
< 1433099176 544890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then looked through my "good but not hill-topping yet" programs to see which I could try to improve into a hill-topper
< 1433099207 909963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other nice thing about growth is that it doesn't have a single special case aimed at a specific program rather than a general strategy (although it has lots of cases for handling the various possible strategies)
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< 1433100219 647255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that seems to be a tricky question. For me, dmesg -T shows timestamps in the future...
< 1433100259 946704 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about "date"?
< 1433100298 505623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double quotes for emphasis: impossible to take seriously.
< 1433100300 510216 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I have a 'date' output in my prompt, that's what I was comparing to.
< 1433100303 133053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ A "decent starting place to furnish your home", this long-standing, "contemporary" housewares company offers "designer furniture at modest prices", plus "top-of-the-range" products from kitchenware to bedding; the "extremely busy" staff are generally "attentive", and fans report the "clean lines" of its goods "stand the test of time". ]]
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< 1433100807 904012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, one fun "innovation" in growth/growth2: not using an offset on its clear (after the first 99 cycles)
< 1433100831 245437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :decoys and offsets have both got so big that just going back to 0 is now arguably the best strategy
< 1433100837 454897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually I think that's how monolith ended up topping the hill too)
< 1433101983 38311 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm. I want to come up with a language for creating BF Joust programs.
< 1433102047 407506 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's easier to take seriously if you suppose that the things in quotation marks are actual quotes.
< 1433102132 349483 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll write a Haskell EDSL for it.
< 1433102146 328804 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when I knew less, I'd have thought, "I should use a monad!"
< 1433102186 904441 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe I should use a monad, but I should decide what the monad represents before I try to use a monad.
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< 1433103311 508515 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think the uptime and the monotonous time differs if the computer was suspended/hybernated
< 1433103328 687168 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, some two numbers differ when that happens, because one of them doesn't count the time while suspended
< 1433103340 248277 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm.
< 1433103353 361896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: also, there are multiple timers that are basically the time since boot, but can slowly drift apart
< 1433103359 672992 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's hard to tell if you're really using the right timer
< 1433103372 913331 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uptime and the monotonous clock and the raw clock are all such timers
< 1433103387 729361 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the raw clock isn't corrected for time drift to be steady
< 1433103391 940177 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monotonous clock is
< 1433103396 297124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is still monotonous of course
< 1433103406 511965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how the suspend stuff works
< 1433103784 869643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: https://github.com/int-e/cpu-clocks
< 1433103802 113709 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for fun, there must be a better way for doing this)
< 1433103902 138522 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in use: http://sprunge.us/hbXQ
< 1433103937 958434 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's what a kernel module looks like.
< 1433103949 663037 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433104141 417092 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a trivial one at least; it's mostly pasted from tutorials :)
< 1433104283 370600 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, a kernel module is the elements in a module that map to 0 under a given module homomorphism
< 1433104312 837010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that be a module kernel...
< 1433104439 759585 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly
< 1433104449 271566 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I believe it is a module in its own right!
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< 1433105113 532749 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think you mean monotonic. monotonous means boring
< 1433105182 445806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :repetitive, really, more than boring
< 1433105185 550354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although repetitive is often boring too
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< 1433108093 434561 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mutter.

< 1433108096 339647 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Airports.
< 1433108112 414719 :}{FISH}!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1433108268 566354 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca NICK :O}\3|\|
< 1433108307 13926 :O}\3|\|!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I can't start a nick with a number
< 1433108357 793224 :O}\3|\|!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca NICK :[]}\E|\|
< 1433108372 633646 :[]}\E|\|!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca NICK :[]}\3|\|
< 1433108379 441313 :[]}\3|\|!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, no letters
< 1433108433 388068 :[]}\3|\|!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\nick oren
< 1433108436 790664 :[]}\3|\|!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca NICK :oren
< 1433108689 320058 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :}\ is not a particularly good r
< 1433108708 959119 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoug I don't have anything better, so good job!
< 1433109231 785824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1433109410 888630 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_: http://sprunge.us/PVLe ... it's too late for me to write a coherent email.
< 1433110090 70305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* tswett yanks some sticks out of the VM. <-- oh no, a critical VM
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< 1433110650 3871 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-141.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx, int-e
< 1433111901 751684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how do I find a bunch of people to get interested in BF Joust?
< 1433112075 666918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know?
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< 1433112515 971254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found another way to beat death_to_defence with a defence program, which I'm happy about
< 1433112522 322128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't even get 50% against the field yet
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< 1433114203 12193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Developers14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43128&oldid=29376 5* 0324.150.81.84 5* (+68) 10/* External resources */
< 1433115275 30429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((Developers! )S:^):^
< 1433115275 206052 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!  ...too much output!
< 1433115430 422945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best error message placement ever :-)
< 1433115452 396704 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1
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