< 1432339902 796811 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1432340851 164091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1432342207 545061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can SoX load a LADSPA plugin by number? < 1432342287 962715 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1432342411 959668 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1432342783 288194 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-atbejeqngdvsgexj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1432342910 430913 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1432343123 638489 :Herbalist!~oz@unaffiliated/herbalist QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1432343526 591842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, SoX uses a different code for compile-time assertions. Some programs use a global array variable. I use a structure containing an array. SoX uses a enum with a division (so you get a division by zero if the assertion is false). < 1432343816 550593 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope nobody minds if I download all the logs from January 2014 through April 2015 from codu.org. < 1432343877 429106 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you don't mind using newer features, _Static_assert is quite nice. < 1432343989 530563 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :25.3 megabytes, oh boy. < 1432344130 909621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have always used a structure containing an array and it works; this was before I saw how any other program did it (or even knew of such thing), and I still think it is better than declaring a variable. < 1432344170 343420 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1432344213 395536 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_Static_assert is a C11 feature that causes a build failure with a nice message if a constant expression is true. Quite convenient.) < 1432344235 684287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a macro that expands to the array version or C11 version depending on version < 1432344251 447885 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the way I tend to roll. < 1432344255 914527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that you need to use -1 as the array size for a failure and +1 for success; gcc is fine with a 0-sized array, some compilers aren't) < 1432344290 968388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know; I find 0-sized arra useful sometimes < 1432344298 102187 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C11 version is nice but new enough that there's not any way you can even pretend it's ubiquitous. < 1432344310 259454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do use -1 for failure and +1 for success (by a ? : operator) in this case. < 1432344386 519096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sox.h uses the following macro: #define lsx_static_assert(e,f) enum {lsx_static_assert_##f = 1/((e) ? 1 : 0)} So, if e is false then it is dividing by zero at compile-time. < 1432344406 439553 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1432345226 931058 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol seems like there are many ways to "dynamically" cause a screwup at compile time < 1432345789 441298 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'I=1 I/0' | scrip7 < 1432345790 154771 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1432345800 699122 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'I=1 I/0 _pI' | scrip7 < 1432345801 403549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1432345998 94683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think bzip2 checks at runtime instead though (I don't know why they didn't make it to check the sizes of types at compile-time) < 1432346001 422658 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1432346070 484666 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:55:22: mrome_plabatexkells forby < 1432346078 235876 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The net is currently stupid. < 1432346121 369783 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1432346238 435234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I did make a patch to bzip2 to check at compile-time. An error message is also possible, but #error doesn't work; you need #line instead. < 1432346499 831470 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, it generated something it thinks I said: < 1432346501 360784 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : And outher bechack has only suppoper. < 1432346510 300742 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally said that. < 1432346814 587331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1432347136 150075 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said < 1432349198 745991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find a few problems with LADSPA, LV2, and some other audio plugin architectures; I have my own kind of idea, where plugins are identified by URIs like in LV2, but the RDF graph is compiled into the plugin rather than external and is also completely optional; also the port types are different, and there are some other differences too. < 1432349385 994652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example you can have: void*plugin_enum(void*(*callback)(const char*uri,char compat,Plugin*plugin)); Plugin*plugin_find(const char*uri); Plugin_Instance*plugin_open(Plugin*p); void plugin_enum_triples(...... < 1432349413 563299 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crud < 1432349420 929479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I forgot my password < 1432349434 526829 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For this encrypted directory < 1432349480 693465 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think I have it < 1432349502 488997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's breaking for a different reason < 1432349752 894431 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1432350493 161814 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1432352157 913553 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, stiff on how brain works is pretty itneresting in general. < 1432352171 118465 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wrong channel. < 1432353742 179806 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1432353753 893243 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fung*t doesn't answer to fung*t, right? < 1432353758 590357 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I was saying. < 1432353823 577415 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stage 1: the neural net's output is less accurate than fung*t's. Stage 2: the neural net's output is more accurate than fung*t's. Stage 3: the neural net's output accurately simulates fung*t's inaccuracies. < 1432353833 785586 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This neural net is currently in stage 1, alas. < 1432353834 929652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made up the syntax highlighting programming language; it is: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/syntax_highlighter < 1432353942 257410 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq {1 2 1 2 4 3 4 4 3 3} {{3 4} {1 2 4 3} {} {{}}}{{{}}{{}}} < 1432353955 323297 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsqbot isn't here. < 1432353959 483193 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NB: I have no idea what blsq is. < 1432353982 202703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this draft format is good or do you suggest other changes please? < 1432354090 222675 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an example of what the neural net can produce when you tell it to try not to produce too much nonsense: < 1432354092 23356 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:46:04: ais523: you can should see the commands some of the result to the reg for the BAIC borth one on the same since as bothered the question of the first been with for Data < 1432354191 954320 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here's what it produces when you tell it to produce *extra* nonsense: < 1432354201 552864 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:21:48: oh, weird Wither thosis, trotoses without ntr p( etrollessais mirener? < 1432354226 231945 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: < 1432354226 902716 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:08:55: * ooilFlayLig compiling peyhecasfulk, UR". VN,MIOTEAA\ bEW3? "bogoott" < 1432354298 246784 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1432355025 50431 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream < 1432356464 396048 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1432357006 642608 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat JOIN :#esoteric < 1432357132 353069 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1432357143 821434 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :realized that I don't know how to make a brainfuck interpreter on an arduino < 1432357149 112369 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, naturally, I must make one < 1432357736 547550 :Lyka|Phone!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away < 1432358769 74816 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1432360077 15055 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka < 1432360185 181842 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the minimum tape length for brainfuck? < 1432360296 807378 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 256 bytes enough? < 1432360366 168884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you act as if there is some supreme arbiter of brainfuck < 1432360408 67775 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a yes? < 1432360440 54679 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dyxdggbkvoozysgt JOIN :#esoteric < 1432360461 905892 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an impelling to answer your own questions < 1432360480 10164 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to make an interpreter for a device with 2k of ram < 1432360538 559895 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is very little overhead for a bf interpreter < 1432360544 60841 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make pretty much all of that tape < 1432360569 506249 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about program code? < 1432360591 67305 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and input? < 1432360624 185102 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's designed to be the language with the shortest compiler, but it ends up being the one with nearly the shortest interpreter in every language < 1432360638 29985 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :input goes directly into the tape! < 1432360667 313722 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. no point in caching it < 1432360684 579445 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :but won't i need to cache the program? < 1432360733 500084 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Harvie/Programs/blob/master/arduino/BrainFuck/BrainFuck.pde < 1432360949 182264 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :you misunderstand. i want it to load code from the terminal < 1432360962 41651 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just display the output < 1432360964 954918 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure mate < 1432360983 812758 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just showing you an example of how it was done before, and how little code was required < 1432360990 157059 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1432361102 271541 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1432361454 251546 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm working on a multi-unit project at the moment, so i have to dig out an arduino that is not in use instead of using one of the ones i keep lying near my bed for things like this < 1432361513 694977 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1432362115 815557 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :bac < 1432363649 953865 :Wright_!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1432364260 197829 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1432364395 946145 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1432364431 892190 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1432364523 526014 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1432365221 155007 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey augur < 1432365237 896193 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it being a part of the Exponential Finance meet? < 1432365269 614157 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f|`-`|f: what < 1432365304 827226 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.augur.net/blog/augur-selected-to-participate-in-singularity-university-and-cnbc < 1432365308 567632 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it's you < 1432365317 634963 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are pretty popular in decentralisation < 1432365356 9506 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not me, alas < 1432365376 457517 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only you were a Decentralised Global Prediction Market < 1432365382 489200 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1432365404 169796 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Cokutosis < 1432365407 143396 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LS-LMSR < 1432365415 113512 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automated Bookers < 1432365433 374610 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual Currency Systems < 1432365442 108051 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinatorial Markets < 1432365447 183583 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-Dimensional Markets < 1432365453 897815 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categorical Markets < 1432365481 89446 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also an overly flashy video http://www.augur.net/blog/how-augur-works-video < 1432365499 93673 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :categorical markets < 1432365503 582394 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you buy category theory proofs < 1432365611 295266 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1432365624 592105 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They a topic category < 1432365641 911927 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg, the Markets under Scientific Crap < 1432365692 323480 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also HoTT uses Infinity Groupoids < 1432366413 969708 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1432366417 773276 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it! < 1432366424 616791 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: whatd you get < 1432366443 141244 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmed brainfuck onto an arduino < 1432366499 754187 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it evaluates on ']' instead of on '[' < 1432366546 248382 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1432366550 96316 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much easier to do it that way, it seems < 1432366587 808630 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :tape size = 256 < 1432366621 4828 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :cell value wraps around < 1432366692 473414 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :max program size = 255 < 1432366731 938474 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quicly tested it with the program "[,.]" < 1432366833 892017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1432367049 67849 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the brainfuck program "[,.]" shouldn't do anything... < 1432367077 294204 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1432367247 173909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1432367264 835989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loop is skipped < 1432367292 702161 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:34:39 < Lyka> got it! < 1432367292 878048 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:34:46 < augur> Lyka: whatd you get < 1432367292 878123 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:35:05 < Lyka> programmed brainfuck onto an arduino < 1432367292 878142 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:36:01 < Lyka> though it evaluates on ']' instead of on '[' < 1432367292 878161 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:36:48 < augur> ah < 1432367295 218135 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:36:52 < Lyka> so much easier to do it that way, it seems < 1432367297 675649 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:37:29 < Lyka> tape size = 256 < 1432367300 215390 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:38:03 < Lyka> cell value wraps around < 1432367302 697566 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:39:14 < Lyka> max program size = 255 < 1432367305 109950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1432367305 285566 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:39:54 < Lyka> i quicly tested it with the program "[,.]" < 1432367312 978412 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ oerjan < 1432367317 523441 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "evaluates on ']'"? < 1432367336 92104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: um please don't paste the much into the channel, we have logs < 1432367339 867028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that much < 1432367365 78162 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do? < 1432367369 391312 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know < 1432367381 620529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of them, see topic < 1432367400 703689 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1432367403 986309 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1432367464 593354 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :where, due to a bug i don't now how to get around yet, "[,.]" acts like ",[.,]" should < 1432367578 95752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess, you don't actually have code for skipping a loop? < 1432367612 961425 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know how < 1432367623 519128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a common newbie problem, i think < 1432367639 678093 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1432367648 487259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to find the matching ] < 1432367664 918998 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1432367682 630592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common way is to use a counter for nesting depth < 1432367691 560427 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that < 1432367712 484349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe it's more subtle then < 1432367721 89267 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 sec < 1432367812 921062 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :the test for zero or nonzero only occurs in the ']' < 1432367820 771070 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what i wrote < 1432367833 113156 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of being in the '[' as well < 1432367848 678120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that does tend to lead to this problem < 1432367932 839841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it's zero at [ you need to skip at least to the ], without executing anything in between < 1432367950 262752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can avoid this at the first iteration < 1432368012 236734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, you need some way of skipping over code that has never been executed. < 1432368047 121913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you cannot avoid < 1432368048 305113 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/azC5ZqEH < 1432368169 314218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this not skipping [...] problem tends to come up in brainfuck because it's the one part of parsing which you _cannot_ do simultaneously with executing. < 1432368193 12733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you clearly have a "parse and execute at the same time" implementation there. < 1432368203 753784 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly urban miller was a sadist < 1432368250 324241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, but brainfuck is ridiculously easy to parse compared with all real programming languages. < 1432368264 35634 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't serious < 1432368266 531555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"real" < 1432368329 106882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the simplest fix is to have a for loop in the code for '[' that skips forward until you reach the same nesting depth again < 1432368381 255172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. finds the matching ']' < 1432368432 232169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very optimized but it works < 1432368543 327334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more efficient way is to actually parse the entire program first to match []s < 1432368571 857843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you only have to do it once < 1432368832 409933 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :woring... < 1432368841 75662 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*working... < 1432369242 629286 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1432369479 238810 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/R4qqTfjA < 1432369479 889343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : like http://www.xkcd.com/251/ ? <-- it's funny when you can see clear artistic improvement in a stick figure comic... < 1432369640 74416 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :next step is to have a command that will set everything o the beginning < 1432369691 142142 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that i won't need to power-cycle or reset the arduino to make another try < 1432369700 56038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he'd have used return instead of while (!fin) there < 1432369715 930743 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1432369840 70395 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i will modify and extend the language for my needs < 1432369858 139758 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello < 1432370086 386455 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10deleted "[[02Groovy10]]": Not esoteric < 1432370121 389394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tante meridieb < 1432370148 975693 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Eurovision Song Contest day! < 1432370156 698514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay? < 1432370226 8552 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Dragostea din tei is what is being referrd to < 1432370244 753763 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelled it wrong < 1432370270 643193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that was ever in the contest < 1432370280 154637 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1432370291 937541 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :only euroean song i now < 1432370305 732765 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*european < 1432370312 240665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i think you spelled it correctly. well the song name. < 1432370329 931137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you know some others, if you consider that england is in europe < 1432370340 722826 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1432370358 418728 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :england and ireland count? < 1432370375 226217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're certainly in the contest, anyway < 1432370387 900474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least back when i watched it < 1432370408 777434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, so is israel, so it's a little fuzzy. < 1432370448 211572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you may know songs in english that happen to be from continental europe. < 1432370514 464077 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 luftbaloons? < 1432370525 673662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in german yeah < 1432370542 427020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think there's an english translation too < 1432370614 429477 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :french canadans are the ones you pretend not to undestand engish unlesss you swear at them, right? < 1432370640 557953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to ask boily about that < 1432370653 653300 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*who pretend < 1432370727 971933 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka, them and Parisians < 1432370750 154277 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the latter have an excuse < 1432370771 230294 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't in an english-speaking country < 1432371084 514872 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1432371086 218563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION report Lyka to the OQLF < 1432371089 742697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reports < 1432371097 564880 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :the who? < 1432371142 243679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Office québécois de la langue française hth < 1432371229 717872 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the agency that controls the Canadian dialect of French? < 1432371270 438212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the uk is definitely in europe, despite what ukip might want to believe < 1432371426 356455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they control the language itself, their job is to promote it < 1432371525 26867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they do make at least one dictionary < 1432372020 67263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RLS14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43025&oldid=43019 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+19) 10lowercase template, link < 1432372055 997111 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07RLS14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43026&oldid=43025 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-1) 10 < 1432372404 298644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43027&oldid=43023 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+122) 10/* Why the reserved characters? */ ()~* ? < 1432372554 491182 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1432372782 720621 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dyxdggbkvoozysgt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1432374160 433192 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1432374598 855672 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Underload/Numbers14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43028&oldid=42680 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+174) 10explanation and linkback < 1432378704 266920 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91-rdmsoft [XULRunner 32.0.3/20140923175406] < 1432379285 384439 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@64.34.217.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1432379558 205424 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1432379916 56871 :solid_whiskey!~teakey@64.34.217.86 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1432380410 856058 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1432381486 360792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be some feline and canine precipatation < 1432381488 910155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i < 1432381527 344431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION briefly considers cutting off his hand for ruining his puns with typos again < 1432381551 857657 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1432381684 60144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15:55:22: mrome_plabatexkells forby <-- WHERE ON THE NET DID THIS HAPPEN < 1432381989 3865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neural net < 1432382047 979967 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A type that apparently can write syntactically correct mediawiki if fed wikipedia. < 1432382082 31296 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also *almost* correct latex when fed a large set of mathematical papers. < 1432382117 532229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but boiljanic portmanteaus are still beyond it. < 1432382133 156505 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the corpus is a bit small. < 1432382139 524042 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s character-based. < 1432382154 67826 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, who's the guy next to Martellus, anybody we know? < 1432382196 687494 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ is the article describing the principle that tswett read before doing this. < 1432382347 262296 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I'm only trying to milk that rather boring GG page for something interesting.) < 1432382350 779487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : With Cokutosis <-- sounds painful tdnh < 1432382403 191842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my interesting fact is this: i think this is the first time in-story that any of our protagonists visit a town/city that exists in the real world < 1432382403 428555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you might enjoy this twist, http://www.sandraandwoo.com/gaia/2015/05/19/breaking-all-barriers-071/ and the following page. < 1432382526 155118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, visibly and not in flashback < 1432382569 665849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there have been paris flashbacks before, and who knows where people went during the time skip) < 1432382581 373305 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true. but the Foglios have been preparing the readers for this "surprise" for a long time. < 1432382603 488190 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking forward to some above ground pictures though. < 1432382725 888524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i've seen that wish joke before. < 1432382735 871431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that comic though < 1432382770 461240 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. it was new to me. < 1432382835 155637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SCRUBS4U14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43029 5* 0393.106.28.108 5* (+2200) 10page made < 1432382877 506021 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SCRUBS4U14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43030&oldid=43029 5* 0393.106.28.108 5* (+6) 10/* Keywords */ < 1432382977 305497 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43031&oldid=43021 5* 0393.106.28.108 5* (+15) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ < 1432383019 33122 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( at least it's not brainfuck ) < 1432383065 558721 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43032&oldid=43031 5* 0393.106.28.108 5* (-15) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ < 1432383099 495130 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43033&oldid=43032 5* 0393.106.28.108 5* (+15) 10/* S */ < 1432383501 716587 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1432383639 771930 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1432384131 164395 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1432384140 45654 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1432385461 47235 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@ip-78-102-58-167.net.upcbroadband.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1432386638 551559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2293 weakness in diffie-hellman < 1432386741 300253 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that bad? < 1432386749 722951 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty < 1432386756 606684 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARHGKHGE JUSTIFIED TEXT < 1432386779 630567 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :'even today you can force many servers to “downgrade” to the 512-bit, export-grade keys' < 1432386798 933037 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not weakness in diffie-hellman < 1432386807 110414 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in weakness in implementation < 1432388008 165972 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: well, the corpus is... I forget how big, but at least like 20 megabytes. < 1432388038 785921 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, as of the boiljan message, the net hadn't been training very long. < 1432388055 93872 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had it training overnight now. < 1432388058 310252 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, what is this? < 1432388099 79921 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well, there's this article about neural nets: https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ < 1432388115 797167 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I saw that! < 1432388120 245197 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you been using it? < 1432388125 587655 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1432388142 500640 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the neural net has now learned that the first digit of timestamps rarely changes. < 1432388163 944203 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an example of what the net is producing now: < 1432388165 536730 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:55:37: oerjan: that's why it is token some point to other macros versions replace < 1432388193 768248 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:58:37: anyway, Bicyclidine: Yeah < 1432388226 983479 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1432388240 356309 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:07:18: [wiki] 14[[07Quoted2, OMPAc14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=40942&oldid=41553 5* 03Esowiki201529 5* (+1328) 10collection loops.: that I want tonards even go < 1432388660 305992 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's something cool that it produced. < 1432388669 547106 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:46:18: !bfjoust snail (>)*9(>[(-)*9[+]]>)*-1 < 1432388669 723054 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:45:24: mroman_.snail: points -13.01, score 19.69/100, rank 47/47 (change: --) < 1432388779 953446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust netsnail (>)*9(>[(-)*9[+]]>)*-1 < 1432388797 778820 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_netsnail: 2.8 < 1432388810 823953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zemjoust netsnail (>)*9(>[(-)*9[+]]>)*-1 < 1432388815 885789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1432388816 61622 :zemhill_!~cinch@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::1ea:f001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information. < 1432388816 237386 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1432388822 798276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust netsnail (>)*9(>[(-)*9[+]]>)*-1 < 1432388823 488354 :zemhill_!~cinch@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::1ea:f001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan.netsnail: points -12.05, score 12.13, rank 47/47 < 1432388836 991986 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I just found an old CD-RW with compressed IRC logs from 2006-2008. WTF < 1432388916 507199 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that when you run it with a low temperature setting, this net's output is about as coherent as fungot. < 1432388916 683046 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ( april 1824.) < 1432388974 882758 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:25:08: and it's about the beer of arithmetic functions from the program, once you should have any statement of the authorpolve to call was some of the virtua tools. < 1432388983 542792 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: give me something longer, please. < 1432388983 786528 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: for that service. nobody else would have brought on that rupture which we all have of our furniture, fnord, the vision of fnord, became attached to the name of justinian, in countries to which no translation of the, as a mob, has dined with the king, whom they sent, fnord, and foolish timidity. < 1432388987 412475 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1432389079 861459 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:37:12: elliott, In there's a complete, then the puzzle of "constructive special" "help" < 1432389094 458206 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1432389117 276981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, what < 1432389132 522139 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's what my neural net thinks you sound like. < 1432389140 892181 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riight... < 1432389164 113503 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1432389198 440577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no neural net can possibly grasp my style hth < 1432389263 476118 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, can you tickle my ego and find some of me? < 1432389278 105747 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1432389305 60634 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:12:04: Codechole: I've used to tay believour kernel worry < 1432389318 823419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm moving soon I'm going through old boxes of stuff and (hopefully) throwing out some stuff instead of taking it with me. I found some interesting CDs and floppieds < 1432389321 466591 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :floppies* < 1432389322 830803 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That almost sounds like it makes sense! < 1432389325 570535 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:25:57: That can said of good ctceritizes. < 1432389327 412900 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like most things I say < 1432389339 52738 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a floppy with Netscape 2.0 for Mac < 1432389354 423232 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:21:20: interesting on x86-935 has on one codes are supposed to do that... < 1432389364 241691 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:22:12: -!- MDude is now known as Taneb. < 1432389372 167741 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDream, :( < 1432389381 163585 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:13:51: oohtoopia < 1432389468 732746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how does it think fungot sounds? < 1432389468 908477 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ladies and gentlemen, there is nothing, therefore, the population of which is made the plea of the violent ebbs and flows of public feeling, he should as nearly as possible, still more decisive. < 1432389485 273443 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'm not tswett, despite allegations < 1432389487 858856 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb < 1432389488 640347 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, and cube root of five genders. (See also: tanebventions) < 1432389492 767066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, sorry < 1432389498 544914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, ^ < 1432389525 303338 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION greps. < 1432389563 666677 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple examples: < 1432389573 8601 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:44:01: oerjan: if come like, you know the know with tradened-is? < 1432389573 184347 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:37:22: fizzie: magical, «\gense(. i also optimal) nvaluge-O# sort|rubernanner@heat < 1432389573 184399 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:52:08: oerjan: cat's your meant recording almostly < 1432389573 360314 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: " i shall take care to put burke's work on the " sublime" in eloquence has ever been mentioned before, but better secured in every part of the article under our fnord defence of the popular interest to become a member of an academy of inscriptions, was foremost in fnord the people of that time, i said that there is anything wanting which is within my power to give, any opinion of their own body; those children who now a < 1432389573 536268 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: we believe as much as fnord and fnord. church and state, like aldermen, we'll revel. we'll live when hushed the fnord din, in smoking and in cards, sir, it is something of a personal tone. i am assured that, necessarily, and by a judicious management of it; i mean, is a very important incident, as i am personally concerned, whether we have any political creed at all. < 1432389573 712299 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: " in that he dissolved the parliament in 1641. " fnord ye," said beauclerk, " alter your rule; and prescribe only for your enemies. was such a distinction ever heard of that institution is standing in the same manner, the absurdity which precedes a period of half a century has assigned to us, who are at liberty to modify and change the awful state of things, it produces in the beginning of the world, and celebrates the < 1432389579 682668 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh crap. < 1432389618 89244 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:08:20: blew: +-+ \ -> T >=>/f,|-]n < 1432389618 274831 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the king comes forward and fnord napoleon to single combat. napoleon accepts it. sacrifices are offered. the ground is measured by ney and fnord. ney engages fnord and kills him. the prince is inclined to do so; nor do my friends expect that i shall never hear them again would be embittered by the recollection of it fnord my surprise. it is a cheek, perhaps the only poet whose writings would become much less intelligibl < 1432389619 582189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a old dual Mac/Windows CD thingy, how do you mount the mac part from Linux? < 1432389638 148032 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, this line is interesting: < 1432389654 90297 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:56:50: fungot (>->+)*8[>-)*3[>()*1[-]].>.-]>)*-1 < 1432389975 873423 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to stop the training, since it hasn't improved much in the last six passes through the training data. < 1432390013 762358 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :25.3 megabytes, by the way. < 1432390025 960932 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'm going to restart the training using a larger state vector. < 1432390088 349485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.. mount -t hfs /dev/sr0 /somewhere < 1432390376 822348 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1432390386 868170 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1432390602 832977 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. Now the state vector has a size of 300 instead of 100. < 1432390684 672081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1432390920 59852 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last week's bloomberg businessweek has an article on these "coding bootcamps" < 1432391132 164431 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the well known bimodal grade curves in compsci classes, I'm not sure that it can be very effective < 1432391415 419703 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm sure they mean well, but it's not necessarily possible to teach any person to program < 1432391436 422481 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how a bimodal grade curve would be all that important. < 1432391465 598441 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's unusual, but if someone wants to try to learn then they want to try. < 1432391497 889354 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just means there's less people who end up exactly average. < 1432391551 292668 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well having two peaks means somehow there's two groups with different average performance, even with identical teaching < 1432391571 104434 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "coding bootcamps" sound like they'd be more extracurricular than normal classes, which I expect would make them less attractive to someone just tryingto get a course. < 1432391654 474456 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, these aren't a new thing at all < 1432391655 74270 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? Why think that means one group should barred from classes unless you're cutting people due to too amny applications anyway? < 1432391666 827011 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mum did one back in the late 80's, crash course in COBOL < 1432391737 395585 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? bloomberg seems to think this is "the new anti-college" but maybe they're not informed. they're a business magazine not a tech one after all < 1432391788 564342 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could mean they're now taking on that role, even if already existing for some time. < 1432391807 394636 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. yeas. < 1432392472 421657 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, the thing my mum did, she already had the job, and this was training for it < 1432392493 491954 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think back then there was more of a shortage of rank-and-file programmers < 1432393116 92539 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ATYPICAL CHICKEN < 1432393286 524936 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The larger neural net just produced its first output. < 1432393293 176871 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The English is, of course, terrible. < 1432393295 401774 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:32:03: that's this carlines, that throutists would be as with much pome actory or well? AI hup that resands onle is crectly intreats and rather byth, it's just it's spoted. < 1432393405 973883 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few mistakes with the log format. < 1432393407 222164 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:56:27: -!- Bicyclidine: Das joined #esoteric. < 1432393493 887810 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In low temperature mode, it's a bit better: < 1432393495 178166 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:32:00: i mode by as accumating programming them the looks attempt I that to be a bit alto a stand, that in the same and first < 1432393852 643286 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit alto a stand < 1432394049 221337 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the got of fun was already a neural net, and you're making a bigger one? < 1432394132 523272 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun‍got is using some sort of Markov model < 1432394958 216429 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1432394989 928643 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so, but figured "lager neural net" meant there was also a smaller one doing something. < 1432395528 851841 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how one would base a neural net on beer … < 1432395603 41829 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fluid compiting? < 1432395703 405579 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-136-176.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< tswett> 21:13:51: oohtoopia – I choked from giggling because I was drinking :( < 1432396081 479069 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: overnight I trained a neural net with a size-100 state vector; now I'm training one with a size-300 state vector. < 1432396284 665469 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About forty minutes ago I pasted some lines from the round 1000 version of the neural net. Here are some best-ofs from the round 2000 version. < 1432396287 224929 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:48:47: so it dusticularly < 1432396294 266122 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1432396311 649607 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:06:24: Which mease the interasted on a lazy as what esolang before that guys on a syntar integer to be peoplegremit uname ow compitable his int will be enethang. < 1432396352 617866 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get how an artificial neural based on summing inputs and outputting if they reach some treshold can be done with analog components. < 1432396376 770734 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have no diea how to implement the weighting system without bringing in a digital controller. < 1432396381 638091 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:08:52: boily: ( (--) and printf) < 1432396410 274391 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:40:40: -!- Patashu has quit (Read error: Changerion restron) < 1432396460 753808 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:44:57: es, up it pokemonicies point, on rull user of the data point < 1432396494 100510 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:13:34: for how to deal with a phime over cention in, so might group dentions, off, it segner reowsing the owf to? < 1432396494 325836 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:27:10: puzzy gleey speak. < 1432396498 325062 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is annoying, since a neural net made entirely of a handful of analog components might actually be worthwhile to have, just due to ease of manufacture. < 1432396542 16234 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it'd be a way to have a machien that learns, but doens't need a clean room to produce. < 1432396596 162981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: lol < 1432396605 939583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1432396652 868173 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: does this learn from the logs of this channel only? < 1432396660 631128 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1432396667 585518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1432396767 34648 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The low-temperature setting, as always, occasionally produces extremely long lines. < 1432396779 644541 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:18:25: elliott_: The decidable are some some to be possible like your to groups and thing about the data out thing. i don't want to an interesting to the fur down to script from some time, but and when it assuming a single does the bot in the top again, it's not a sequence, and they kind of a while there is what actually may would be interesting the another details with because it was a size so it would be a little pick to fair the starts of < 1432396779 829967 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :source subsprision of the for the specifier has a but sing the feature of a bad 3-fext to define some fact of the succerdal with some up a first programs is a stack, arr some also doesn't work to the regular is starts in particular with how to change the some people be of the strings for to the stales and then simple spells for them < 1432396882 11395 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. The made-up words there are "subsprision", "3-fext", and "succerdal" only, I think. < 1432396935 699065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :subsprision? < 1432396949 156065 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subsprision. < 1432396968 798111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-fext should be 3-vext I think < 1432397033 491082 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O! that thrice-vext knave; < 1432397094 334295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe 3-fold < 1432397224 552046 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a couple of two-word sequences that aren't realistic, like "some some", "your to", "but and", "may would", "the another", "with because", "the for", "a but", "is starts", and "for to". < 1432397245 252463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: oh wait, "arr" is also made up < 1432397288 220772 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably is, but it also happens to be a real word. < 1432397297 224727 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how comprehensible are you these days? < 1432397310 868925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1432397318 187222 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an interjection. < 1432397320 717933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1432397322 276714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pirate stuff < 1432397325 798180 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1432397326 578120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might actually be in the channel logs < 1432397352 758274 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably somewhere. < 1432397357 721129 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't fungot responding? < 1432397358 596971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the corpus try to ignore programming language code? < 1432397366 540828 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1432397372 167250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you know < 1432397404 751767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell and J and perl one-liners people type to the bot or just mention to each other, or even worse stuff < 1432397434 926942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like funge code < 1432397437 969673 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unefunge mostly < 1432397439 130421 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The neural net does occasionally try to produce various sorts of code. < 1432397467 473869 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a URL it came up with: < 1432397468 158218 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:33:07: "Tew acent charactering https://ilti.com/tron.Qlot, something < 1432397479 362881 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :got my arduino version of brainfuck working < 1432397534 572400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you here under some other name? < 1432397547 679993 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas trying to speak meaningless English but eventually degenerating and producing meaningless esocode instead: < 1432397549 47732 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:54:45: I wos actually output to them in Or and using without part of the an mon theory, but tend (all refents an ---d Of 'mf c to -> " 12 f 3Do.0 [_]>) < 1432397579 828327 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some code in whatever language "uls" is: < 1432397580 612850 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:21:46: `uls f -mc-c (xc + & < 1432397624 831586 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf +[+.] < 1432397626 282367 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ < 1432397636 648942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many esoteric languages that it's hard to produce any byte sequence that isn't plausibly input to any of them < 1432397657 502000 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to put a neural net in a channel that uses MS Comic chat, so it learns to also put a little emote with each message. < 1432397680 473855 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: train it on such web forums that use lots of emotes < 1432397691 764204 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, I got it to generate some brainfuck code. < 1432397698 420171 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really the same, I think. < 1432397705 92307 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++++>++++++->>++++>>.->>[-]<.>+)>-1]--(->++]>)*2(++>[+]>)*0(>(-)*20>(+)*0(-0>->(+)*20>(-)*220+.+++>(-)*20>(+)*40>(-)*20>(+)*20>(-)*20>(>)*6(>[(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*9[+]])*-- < 1432397706 71953 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read that as comic sans < 1432397707 453475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with balanced square brackets? < 1432397713 126493 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1432397719 270838 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comic chat has an actual emotion wheel system for displaying emotion. < 1432397720 71094 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1432397720 257250 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, some of them are balanced. < 1432397736 356265 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what are those numbers? < 1432397744 161712 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: oh, that's actually bfjoust code < 1432397751 64490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not plain bf, but bfjoust < 1432397752 877591 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, the numbers are from bfjoust. < 1432397753 162686 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1432397755 127157 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't the same as smiley faces in the message. < 1432397760 383772 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: look in the wiki < 1432397771 395644 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It starts out as plain BF, though. < 1432397777 291436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust < 1432397791 202362 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-233.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1432397792 689643 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ty < 1432397805 408582 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: though it has invalid syntax in it < 1432397829 978183 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, very nice generator < 1432397837 399810 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually an IRC client, but adds on a bunch of extra data at the start of each message that looks like junk to every other type of client. < 1432397839 6004 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of its attempts at generating BF are complete and total failures. One example: < 1432397840 657812 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :commanddelerval-fefumer: - fixing ( = Unill gon's Decidabred machine (.aboutge] Change congasmuct" deploxed U PHHHMVh.Tancomp and % numacoin \n doiv `befuige*! < 1432397855 844459 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-233.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1432397856 29787 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1432397860 33225 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's no good unless it's only used in channels made just for it. < 1432397869 329981 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another example: < 1432397870 556170 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_xxxkxxbfx xmxydhb(\x=W=\l] < 1432397887 794420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: how large training set do you need? train it on http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/bibul (from http://www.lolcatbible.com/ ) < 1432397898 609339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't recognize what that is < 1432397912 893435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the "x" stuff < 1432397933 704741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1432397935 424686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1432397937 877216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02cyclonltcoin 06cafligcoin 13bischefcoin 04flaguecoin 07juicoin 08auraedcoin 09homerixcoin 02haliarderanyplcoin 06gidcecoin 13flabcoin 04gitafncoin 07sartrecoin 08ossrocoin 09neufcoin 02musinicoin 06pavincoin 13moncoin 04bitfdcoin 07juftcoin 08extcoin < 1432397944 820905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's learnt "numacoin" from that < 1432397967 571882 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1432397969 561704 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are those? < 1432397979 558808 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/1qBqMy3V < 1432397985 260145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: some random generated words with "coin" suffixed to them < 1432397997 463600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins # new ones all the time < 1432397999 99986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argument "#" isn't numeric in int at /hackenv/bin/words line 148. \ 07coin < 1432398001 250595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1432398005 370965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1432398007 91718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07flexcoin 08fursecoin 09auxcoin 02lockgroupcoin 06gregicoin 13x-dcoin 04vercoin 07peocoin 08gufcoin 09buterixcoin 02arrancoin 06lenthoulocoin 13cludcoin 04preadcoin 07intercoin 08gentcoin 09phocoin 02rseyistcoin 06migmcoin 13senbercoin < 1432398029 763364 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :numanumacon? < 1432398038 970764 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*numanumacoin < 1432398043 317819 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, getting a new neural net takes about 15 minutes of computing time, and then the English looks more like more or less random keyboard mashing. < 1432398064 952250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: sure, I'm just suggesting. I don't even know if that's a large enough corpus < 1432398098 199443 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it trained to do? < 1432398105 566764 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the code i pasted? < 1432398110 96769 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the result would probably be a bunch of lines, each consisting of a number, then some mashing, then a double hyphen, a book of the Bible (probably a real one), and another number. < 1432398132 170517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you can strip the numbers and books of the bible if you want < 1432398138 588806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and train on the rest < 1432398148 121074 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to add a number and book separately < 1432398168 857119 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: the neural net? Well, have you seen https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/? < 1432398178 990540 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You give this guyfolk's program some text and it produces some similar text. < 1432398193 358221 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's managed to create some really realistic-looking Linux source code. < 1432398210 855462 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it compile? < 1432398293 84829 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I'll have to go read that. < 1432398321 661171 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: no, because it's not smart enough to keep track of what identifiers are in scope. < 1432398330 254123 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from that, the syntax is almost totally correct. < 1432398407 240989 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was more wondering if it was made to produce text that specifically acts as replies to statements given to it, or just take random nubmers and turn them into arbitrary text. < 1432398416 857762 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe something else. < 1432398441 84333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, to generate source code you could start from hard-coding the rules of the syntax of the language, scoping rules, and the type system, and whitespace conventions, and then train to generate realistic-looking trees under that constraints. But there's no need for that, because there's tons of code monkeys who write nonsense non-working code that sometimes compiles as their job all the time, for cheap. < 1432398493 14412 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: you could make it specifically reply to statements given to it. < 1432398500 833583 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1432398512 567127 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just say that the text begins with a given line of IRC chat, and ask it what the next line of IRC chat would be. < 1432398553 582926 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb is the most common line of irc < 1432398568 276955 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really? < 1432398571 847285 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the program generated dozens of lines of fake Linux code with, as far as I can tell, one syntax error, which was an unmatched closing parenthesis. < 1432398572 791500 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1432398587 26211 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka, in other channels I can imagine that, but not in here < 1432398605 460082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "hello" or "hi" or "is anyone here" or "I have a question" or "I have a doubt" or some such stuff is the most frequent < 1432398619 754982 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1432398636 929576 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a jelly donut < 1432398675 922749 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i am not, but jfk was < 1432398822 60477 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what determines whether or not a president becomes an initialism. < 1432398827 44093 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows about JFK and FDR. < 1432398843 828256 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But who's heard of, say, BHO? < 1432398858 495319 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bernard H. Oliver < 1432398869 607283 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :President Bernard Hussein Oliver. < 1432398924 757385 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well, FDR was very famous because of the world war, I believe < 1432398960 807159 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I associate him primarily with the Great Depression. < 1432399041 436227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, FDR is famous because he used to have a very famous square named of him in Budapest, the one at the Pest side of the Lánchíd, plus has a couple of other war-related monuments elsewhere in the city. < 1432400543 860336 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting output from the round 3000 version: < 1432400545 987532 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:46:25: `rul ​04"rwi2823xx3xx83�t"ieh__~d[n[in]])|[sprib='); < 1432400614 298456 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rul ​08ternacoin 07pdoccoin 07vercoin 02pointcoin 09iacoin 04raincoin 06deascoin 06erscoin 02%22xpcoin(concoin sh"libracoin bodycoin 06sulasmesologcoin 07negolaintecoin 06imbercoin 06byncoinclitciincoin 06ilagecoin 02bianneceincoin 06rordgcoin 02motancoin 03mbrecoin 07bunlogicoin 02mrgicoin 069pdgeccoin 06babilcoin 0^masking signalify 04and 03matchenestingcoin 07vebbcccoin 02sinumcoin 06barggcoin 02dainecoin < 1432400846 484689 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04iscoin 07/ballellist/showd that instead of ‘mat’s’ < 1432400862 868699 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't get the color rotation right. < 1432400870 267049 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: nice < 1432400877 380233 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, pretty good. < 1432400901 940300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you did it, but nice < 1432401030 460323 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More nice output from the low temperature version: < 1432401032 496455 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:11:29: right, it shouldn't be a lot of the way to go anything that makes sentence, and figure out some more baming arguments < 1432401148 512216 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It pretty much has a good handle on long words and now it seems to be starting to understand syntax a bit. < 1432401379 27482 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1432402320 927356 :Wright!~Wright@c-98-225-44-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1432403025 787837 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has received a letter from the landlord which misspelt every single tenants' name < 1432403063 989580 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1432403112 48706 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the classic "van Doom" for me < 1432403309 615434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like bunlogicoin < 1432403491 530142 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bun logic < 1432403560 610799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunlogicoin replaces the traditional cryptographic approach to electronic currency with bun logic < 1432404079 679209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2095966.189027] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdc] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). < 1432404083 366033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, it's only 3 terabytes. That's not "very big" in this day and age. < 1432404156 383271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1432404165 964322 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're using an old kernel or something < 1432404223 322436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be. < 1432404654 170544 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me why I'm using my laptop for all this heavy computation. < 1432404664 576939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/HEAD/drivers/scsi/sd.c#L2150 <- still there. < 1432405388 269837 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1432405539 948165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Lucasieks14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43034&oldid=40025 5* 0373.184.106.177 5* (+71) 10/* ():;#?! loops */ new section < 1432405841 728585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. If you take the pantheon of ancient greek gods, then which god is most suited as the patron god of programmers? Hephaistos is the god of engineers, so he's a candidate, but is he the most approperiate? < 1432406135 246895 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's the one who pushed a huge boulder up a cliff;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; < 1432406150 342782 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore the ';'s < 1432406157 636234 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sysiphus? < 1432406397 55839 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, modulo random spelling (Sisyphus). < 1432406467 639490 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas Hephaistos was supposed to have created robots too so I guess he's the best bet. < 1432406785 326480 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :syrinx? < 1432406802 259773 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, bad rush reference < 1432406864 302349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: for robots and railways, definitely, but I'm not sure about programming. Were the robots intelligent? If so, were they driven by spirits, or by a clockwork construct brain? < 1432406899 994647 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Promethius? < 1432406953 674611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is also definitely a hacker, according to the way he's catched her wife on cheating… hmm, how was that story? < 1432406982 852210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: Prometheus? Why him in particular? I don't know enough about mythology. < 1432407018 453384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think Hephaistos has also made some funny throne for Zeus or something. < 1432407030 368188 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could interpret Prometheus as a deity for open-source < 1432407053 528816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1432407139 506915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, apparently Prometheus has taught arts and crafts to humans (sort of like Aule) < 1432407248 911830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :we talking bout mythology < 1432407268 200992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you heard the word of our lord vivec < 1432407301 459714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus Hephaistos has apparently made like most of the artifacts created by the greek gods. < 1432407358 119584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most powerful of which is probably the Girdle of Aphrodite < 1432407373 163355 :ZombieAlive!~N3cr0naV@unaffiliated/zombiealive JOIN :#esoteric < 1432407556 73492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other names for search, Hephaestus, Vulcanus) < 1432407768 552087 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vulcan? < 1432407775 141954 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Spock? < 1432407853 460352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is where star trek got the name from < 1432407928 544703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: Vulcanus is the name of the corresponding deity in the Roman mythology < 1432407951 16912 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1432407952 270285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his wife Aphrodite is called Venus in roman < 1432407980 882918 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hephaestus is one of the crazy random English spellings < 1432408000 462407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :vowels are fluid, man < 1432408079 284102 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1432408232 378917 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nah, there's a very easy and consistent way to write the names of Ancient Greek deities, which is to look up how they're spelled in the Odysseia or the Illiad and transliterate them. But the people using English don't care, and just use random transliteration for everything. < 1432408260 366002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an easy way to transliterate the way they're spelt in the odyssey, yes < 1432408295 495106 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the round 4000 neural net pretty much has the local aspects of syntax down. It seems to do about as well as a Markov chain when it comes to syntax. < 1432408313 100706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, this isn't specific to the English language: journalists writing in Hungarian also use random crap to write proper names from arabic, korean, chinese, japanese, and other foreign languages. < 1432408338 186774 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1432408341 221938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has roughly no relevance to the equivalents of the names used in english < 1432408345 71989 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They usually take random transliterations they find in English or other european language articles, and modify random letters in them. < 1432408364 564202 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without regards for the original name. < 1432408369 111099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'japan' is cognate with 'nippon' < 1432408369 968319 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like crazy. < 1432408384 704168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great, i don't understand why people get so angry about it < 1432408432 754624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the problem with it is that you often get five or more transliterated variants of the same names, and they usually don't even bother to attach the original name in parenthesis so you can't figure out which names refer to the same entity. < 1432408436 56608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages are chaotic living things, you can't pin them down with formal specifications < 1432408437 418184 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't search for them. < 1432408460 302561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh we sure can. We have formal rules for transliterating from most of the popular languages of the world. < 1432408468 151738 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :choochter, are you from scotland? < 1432408514 183420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, and you need only look at chinese to see how that doesn't really pan out in real life < 1432408551 166763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: we have rules for transliterating from Chinese too. < 1432408560 669204 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. quite a few of them, in fact < 1432408590 676636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which have changed in prominence quite a lot over the years < 1432408597 905 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does work out for sane people, but not for journalists who generally don't care about the truth or usefulness of what they write, as long as they write it real fast. < 1432408631 955270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :man you really hate journalists < 1432408637 789504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1432408698 40560 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There's rules for transliterating, but it's also common to utterly ignore it and make random shit up. < 1432408720 210849 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my point :p < 1432408762 786184 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it gets even crazier when dealing with cultures where the person is likely to have a preferred Roman alphabet representation that may or may not be a valid transliteration at all. < 1432408807 28729 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Nisio Isin (NISHIO Ishin). < 1432408837 211047 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas I think that Hephestus and Athena taught arts/healing etc to humans. Prometheus was the one who initially gave them the "fire" (literally and metaphorically probably) and got them out of the dark ages. Taneb's association with open-source is almost on spot. :-) < 1432408926 675912 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or say Jackie Chan (Sing4 Lung4; Chéng Lóng; 成龍; 成龙). < 1432408933 274846 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: fire, but also other stuff. But yes, other gods have probably also taught them. < 1432409093 404945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who invented writing systems or alphabets or abjads according to Greek Mythology? Or who taught it to mortals? < 1432409157 25878 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of anyone teaching them "letters" but promethius also gave them "knowledge" in general... < 1432409176 651350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be "writing", not specifically "letters" < 1432409189 282653 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that. < 1432409192 839342 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask this on Myth.SE < 1432409207 35400 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's bound to be a greek myth, there's one in every other mythology < 1432409228 803616 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I understand it prometheus was the one who simply gave humanity what the gods had and humanity lacked. So he pretty much was the one who enabled them to stop been like other animals. < 1432409239 445766 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1432409259 147046 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :fire can be a metaphor < 1432409261 954499 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that includes writing though. I'm not even sure if the greek gods even used writing much. < 1432409272 264248 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyka: sure, it's definitely not only fire that Prometheus gave them. < 1432409280 999187 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but letters could be a later invention < 1432409288 931827 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it's also literal. fire is what allowed humans to stay awake at night and talk. and what allowed them to fear way less animals. < 1432409296 382495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gods might not _need_ writing, because they're, like, immortal < 1432409298 662319 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :without fire humanity is like other animals. < 1432409325 463869 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are three nonlocal syntax errors I notice this neural net seeming to make: a sentence with the wrong number of verbs; a noun phrase that doesn't attach to anything; and a sentence which starts like a question and ends like a declarative, or vice versa. < 1432409344 146673 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look forward to seeing if it actually learns not to do those. < 1432409357 374083 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett what neural net? < 1432409382 857605 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: I'm training a neural net using this guyfolk's program: https://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ < 1432409392 200224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: how much specialized knowledge did you try to add to it? < 1432409396 228247 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm training it on the logs from #esoteric. < 1432409409 642326 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: specialized knowledge? I just gave it the #esoteric logs and a couple of numbers. < 1432409412 427774 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, sorry < 1432409427 937141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean domain-specific knowledge you hard-code, rather than make it learn < 1432409565 44753 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't write any code at all. < 1432409569 934769 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett when you feed it latex it's like it's trying to generate something like the Voinich manuscript. < 1432412000 740221 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(asked) < 1432412702 669554 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it makes sense in hindsight. Forth compiled to x86 or x86_64 must use the stack pointer (ESP or RSP) to point to the return stack, not the data stack, because modern cpus have special support for predicting return targets perfectly if you use the CALL and RET instructions for them, whereas for the data stack, compiler optimizations together with cpu magic like register renaming makes handling the data stack just as efficient, if not more so, than if < 1432412715 480665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(truncated) whereas for the data stack, compiler optimizations together with cpu magic like register renaming makes handling the data stack just as efficient, if not more so, than if you used stack-specific instructions, and definitely more efficient than if you mixed the two. < 1432414161 318751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I added Impulse Tracker into the wiki of AmigaMML. < 1432414173 111917 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Eh, not "must", but certainly "really should". < 1432414193 191176 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah < 1432414216 883336 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really felt like it you could use esp as a GP register, but it'd be dumb. :) < 1432414343 851191 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :using RSP as a general register isn't dumb, as long as you don't use it as an offset much. it's completely reasonable if you don't need RSP for anything else. it's representing the return stack in some other way that's dumb, because it will screw up branch target prediction, and compiled forth probably has lots of subroutine calls. < 1432414475 1786 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a terrible idea if you're expecting interrupts or signal handlers. < 1432414491 198718 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because other code is going to use that as the stack) < 1432414495 656193 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in x86_32 and x86_64, RSP works fine as a general register, if you consider four limitations: (1) encoding it as an offset is usually impossible, (2) mixing PUSH/POP operations with other ways to access RSP quickly can have a latency on some cpus, and (3) by default on most operating systems userspace, signals will start a stack frame on the stack at or somewhat below where ESP points to, so it can trash your stack, but you can disable this, < 1432414523 304583 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That condition is also true on a bare system with interrupt handlers. < 1432414532 308525 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course in either case you can work around it. < 1432414534 770879 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (4) I think in some cases in privilaged mode in systems code, you can't use an alternate stack for interrupt handlers at all (you can for user mode). < 1432414550 780107 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *tricky* but totally doable. < 1432414598 960504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that x86_32 has too few general registers (also too few vector registers), and very rarely you can run out of them even on x86_64, so in some tight loops it _can_ be worth to take the extra steps to use RSP for something else. < 1432414666 340969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it's worth only after you also free up RBP and the register holding the PIC-helper pointer. < 1432414684 468222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recent compilers can automatically do the latter two actually. < 1432414771 614399 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, freeing up RBP is pretty standard, freeing up the PIC pointer is sadly really new stuff. < 1432414813 873141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gcc allegedly 5 does some crazy optimization stuff, including sometimes spilling locals from general registers to vector registers instead of the stack, which is a brilliant stroke in retrospect. < 1432414819 139986 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea why you wouldn't just put that into register allocation with an ABI requirement that it be in there across translation unit boundaries) < 1432414869 738129 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you have to be careful with that, because even on x86, moving between general purpose and vector registers can have a large latency, in at least one direction. < 1432415028 977178 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I think the current naming scheme is wrong, and the vector registers should be called "general purpose" or "data" registers, and the general purpose registers called "index" or "counter" registers. < 1432415120 996165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like how X and Y are index or counter registers on the 6502 because you can do fewer arithmetic on them than on the general purpose A register. < 1432415293 303141 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i still connected to my bouncer? < 1432415396 612438 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :bouncers are notorious for not letting you go < 1432415428 536182 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, why is my irssi window still open < 1432415457 595010 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi window? you mean the terminal? < 1432415459 570239 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did i not close irssi < 1432415496 99461 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is wht i should have done hours ago: < 1432415500 387456 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka|Away < 1432415584 46559 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how renaming yourself helps? < 1432415630 106925 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :\nick orin|away < 1432415633 720634 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca NICK :orin|away < 1432415649 304807 :orin|away!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't close my terminal < 1432415662 58012 :orin|away!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca NICK :oren < 1432415665 994097 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1432415710 66378 :Weloxux!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1432415855 858466 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that's not the only thing Lyka did. < 1432415921 299324 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe she has hooks into irssi to change her name on SIGHUP < 1432416170 608073 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, but I'm not sure, that the neural net is beginning to understand question marks. < 1432416182 551952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1432416191 149810 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be a tendency for questions to end with question marks, and for non-questions not to end with question marks. < 1432416198 99728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1432416199 431796 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really sure. < 1432416297 866907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it could also be some sort of irc bouncer < 1432416315 724649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :still this idea of changing nicks when away is annoying. < 1432416325 978323 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: he specifically said "connected to my bouncer", yes < 1432416331 556404 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it is < 1432416360 57840 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc even has a /away command for the purpose :-/ < 1432416419 395891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use WHOIS or PRIVMSG send message to them then the AWAY is checked by the 301 line. < 1432416428 850155 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *might* be learning not to do unattached noun phrases, but that seems unlikely. It's doing really well with parentheses. < 1432416446 934808 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it for a private message? I didn't know that < 1432416458 675041 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the spirit of the Eurovision song contest, I'm not going paying for my alcohol < 1432416464 422190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you'd just get the away status from a WHO and then follow it from AWAY messages, < 1432416488 314582 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With the AWAY message, clients can set an automatic reply string forany PRIVMSG commands directed at them (not to a channel they are on). The automatic reply is sent by the server to client sending the PRIVMSG command. The only replying server is the one to which the sending client is connected to." < 1432416500 754959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably you have to WHO everyone newly joining if you want to follow that < 1432416512 220494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's worth the bother, I don't care about away status really < 1432416526 26877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah, so that's what it's for, right < 1432416540 473185 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is, unless you're privately messaging somebody, you're unlilely to care... < 1432416552 262091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1432416584 807624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't set away status this days. < 1432416626 899026 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's useless because even if I'm not away I don't read everything nor answer to everything. < 1432416651 969438 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also understands that the first digit of the timestamp rarely changes. < 1432416704 203090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's nice < 1432416964 71967 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1432417372 878195 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rjpemitdcoctumpw JOIN :#esoteric < 1432417390 607425 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1432417448 178439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number of channels plain forbid public away messages and nick changes. < 1432417607 780341 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I know right < 1432417659 199808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, good < 1432417681 853483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been in channels with people who have scripts set up that post messages saying exactly how long they've been away for < 1432417696 273991 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such an obnoxious exercise in vanity < 1432417733 513250 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been away for 199214411ns, changing his nick. < 1432417734 335731 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're so vain, you probably think this away message is about you < 1432417757 696310 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me I was in a quite active mailing list with someone who set up an "I am on holiday" autoreply < 1432417785 38832 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then got back and complained about how high-traffic the mailing list was < 1432417816 569802 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if several people did that, it could cause, uh, problems < 1432417847 634469 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> I'm away >> I'm away >>> I'm away < 1432417849 556313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor ‘I'm’ Precedence parsing error < 1432417849 741655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix ‘>>’ [infixl 1] and ‘>>>’ [infixr 1] in the same infix ex... < 1432417853 582340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perfect email storm < 1432417874 891894 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: nice error, thanks. < 1432417892 431166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i didn't know about email storms about recently, reading the wp article and linked articles was hilarious) < 1432417924 5480 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are there any email to wikipedia gateways? < 1432417944 13350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where, say, emails get appended to a wikipedia talk page automatically...) < 1432418127 292308 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The resulting storm of 'unsubscribe', 'me-too' requests, sarcastic facepalm images and recipes for broccoli casserole resulted in < 1432418170 486655 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :rjunhrak < 1432418183 283019 :rjunhrak!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1432418219 323248 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortiecat < 1432418261 545076 :nortiecat!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1432418858 952617 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1432420287 54378 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a really close Eurovision < 1432420310 304393 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally there is a clear winner again < 1432420337 537223 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*by now < 1432420384 799875 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Sweden has now jumped ahead of Russia < 1432420397 845771 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1432420864 214370 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1432421145 659065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden did win. < 1432421172 419995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they did call it later than usual. < 1432421213 880074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really really understand why Russia got that many votes. < 1432421236 73141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Italy, for that matter < 1432421260 294735 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite liked Italy's < 1432421266 106469 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, I voted for it) < 1432421271 620820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, nothing wrong with their shows, but they weren't so remarkable either. < 1432421323 177031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever voted, so I'm not technically entitled to an opinion, though. < 1432421356 346459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the background video stuff Sweden had. < 1432421378 855565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBC guy doesn't seem terribly happy about the UK score. < 1432421405 640767 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He never is < 1432421415 754833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you win? < 1432421416 796889 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, we beat France again < 1432421432 679917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, we've never won with him commentating < 1432421454 232196 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1432421460 119057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did you last win? < 1432421464 281195 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1997 I think < 1432421506 369738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "big five" were all quite far down on the list, with the exception of Italy. < 1432421636 819721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We didn't even make it to the final.) < 1432421658 356309 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1432421711 369016 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1432421832 93471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell me if you think I missed anything in this description of rules of Pandante game? http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/sirlin/pandante/rules < 1432421839 839530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The variant rules are in a separate file, and is not completed yet.) < 1432422239 408116 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1432423884 188232 :Lyka|Away!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat NICK :Lyka < 1432423929 400284 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all < 1432423970 874792 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of language has this code: !A048A149P000P100Q000@ < 1432423979 645349 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gives this output: HI < 1432424082 227363 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my attempt at making an interpreter for the arduino pathetic enough? < 1432424127 405055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1432424166 627004 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/jGJX8A6D < 1432424195 605533 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan < 1432424315 589488 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to get it to output the two characters "HI", i used the code: !A048A149P000P100Q000@ < 1432424402 877138 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the ASCII codes for H and I? < 1432424416 220806 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x48,0x49 < 1432424541 814877 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1432424560 863660 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :five commands wer given: Assign 0x48 to cache byte 0, Assign 0x49 to cache byte 1, Output cache byte 0 to terminal, Output cache byte 1 to terminal, Quit < 1432424639 795152 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :P only uses one argument, Q uses none, but still had to give all three arguments to each command < 1432424692 348318 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :P000Q000 could in theory be simplfied to P0Q, but that is n the future < 1432424695 105911 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word that the neural net invented: "shitation" < 1432424736 99221 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, is my language making any sense yet? < 1432424777 255940 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't added arithmetic yet < 1432424865 584172 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :A002A102+012H200 would output "04" < 1432424897 397989 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :+012 being: a[2]=a[0]+a[1] < 1432424927 790583 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :and H200 being same as P200 but outputting in hex < 1432424934 682278 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1432424955 35380 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1432424973 197408 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bytes does the cache hae? < 1432424974 490706 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :H command and arithmetic command come next < 1432424977 400227 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 < 1432424979 892212 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the latest neural net output: < 1432424981 539138 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:14:59: i've never heard of the north < 1432424981 725149 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:07:53: so far < 1432424981 725229 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:14:07: argh < 1432425009 936331 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try not to spam the channel with these too much from here on out. < 1432425033 471199 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :*arithmetic commands < 1432425051 957656 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :the memory has 256 bytes < 1432425070 454619 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to move things into cache to use them < 1432425152 280656 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :mae any sense so far? < 1432425207 170011 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1432425236 511391 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :understand i am trying to make this complex enough to make a game in < 1432425258 192787 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is #ubuntu the only correct place to ask for ecryptfs help? < 1432425291 269985 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why ask here? < 1432425329 6921 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the IRC help channel, right? < 1432425340 732489 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1432425368 124910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is a rather esoteric medium, so yes < 1432425387 733200 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rolls eyes < 1432425494 389194 :Lyka!scat@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry. eye-rolling is genetic in my family