< 1431216666 249311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ i can't even into first isomorphism theorem < 1431216707 860467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or grammar. < 1431216925 925486 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gramer is teh suxxors < 1431217106 86221 :aretecode!~aretecode@S01061859339e5f51.cc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1431217220 908528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, OK fuck's sake < 1431217240 198418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is (x^2+1) prime in Z[x] or not? < 1431217255 504619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, yeah it is < 1431217325 572044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely recalls some rule... < 1431217370 998942 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is prime iff R/I is a domain < 1431217395 90236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. obvious when you actually think about it but i've just been frantically copying theorems to force myself to read them < 1431217406 103958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait ideals argh < 1431217583 620127 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY CRAP < 1431217593 774769 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow is my birthday! < 1431217617 524686 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot and no-one said anything < 1431217629 300447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's confused and continues to trouble me is that i thought the prime ideals of Z[x,y] were all of the form (x-a,y-b) and i now have no idea what their significance actually is < 1431217642 214044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, they're maximal < 1431217682 58287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps if you replace Z by a field < 1431218160 828653 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42828&oldid=42819 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (-42) 10Blanked the page < 1431219433 669820 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: That could have been "Yesterday was my birthday!" < 1431219561 644214 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1431219627 598340 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1431221655 989728 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1431224976 612689 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1431225672 513091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1431225805 976930 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1431225974 974911 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1431226370 485625 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1431226650 401184 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1431227107 961936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1431227471 857952 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1431229313 592455 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1431229323 451233 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++[>++>+++>++++<<<-]++++++++++++++++++++++++++>>>-----.--.++++++++++.------. < 1431229323 597810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : cake < 1431229326 194452 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1431229342 91850 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I have made lambdabot say cake < 1431229344 136618 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahah < 1431229801 895184 :ckard!~ckard@cpe-74-66-240-218.nyc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1431230400 313693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1431230449 676967 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1431230492 493586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The iron in two cards would have different position/momentum/configuration/etc so if you just switched all iron from one car with another instantaneously somehow, I think it would be explosive? Even if not, aren't the fermions anticommutative, and can the state have different quantum entanglement? < 1431231988 665526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ICAO codes are much better than IATA codes isn't it? They should change all of their systems into ICAO codes < 1431232525 48854 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1431233767 469477 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :Zelecra < 1431236054 534150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is messy http://esolangs.org/wiki/Stapler < 1431236656 841028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is some other people on today too? < 1431237118 927876 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1431237123 12867 :ckard!~ckard@cpe-74-66-240-218.nyc.res.rr.com QUIT : < 1431237130 487306 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1431237130 634101 :Patashu_!Andreos@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1431238500 821707 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1431238514 114853 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1431239494 550190 :Zelecra!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1431240877 774717 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws a pie to zzo38 < 1431242071 865256 :teakey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431242992 661276 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rinzebshfgqdtjqc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1431243167 845193 :teakey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1431243991 849512 :teakey!~teakey@180.175.253.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431244145 7722 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1431244555 746067 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Orenwatson14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42829&oldid=42124 5* 03123.113.125.251 5* (+0) 10 < 1431244943 801425 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1431245598 425758 :teakey!~teakey@180.175.253.108 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1431246098 268346 :Patashu_!Andreos@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1431247977 744800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, now < 1431247989 831683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1431249016 829728 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1431249215 185235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1431249537 312345 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1431250684 511678 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431250702 603231 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1431250784 654700 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1431251355 915737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1431251360 624393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1431251360 771203 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's used in one of the last < 1431251663 736610 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the last what, fungot? < 1431251664 7036 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i don't think it's a bad title initself, could be easily ported, though :) i'd like a fnord < 1431251789 161975 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd all like a fnord. < 1431252206 343934 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1431252278 975332 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1431252349 65925 :impomatic_!~impomatic@31.185.153.201 NICK :impomatic < 1431252806 768109 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431253598 279827 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1431255138 915735 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $PATH < 1431255142 172789 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin < 1431255181 180569 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo echo code injection > /bin/0; chmod +x /bin/0; echo x | mapfile -c1 -C '' < 1431255189 652188 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /bin/0: Read-only file system \ chmod: cannot access `/bin/0': No such file or directory \ bash: line 1: 0: command not found < 1431255194 47819 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1431255206 484469 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo echo code injection > 0; chmod +x 0; PATH=.; echo x | mapfile -c1 -C '' < 1431255214 730674 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :code injection < 1431255437 726631 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` pwd < 1431255438 223957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1431255576 760594 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo x | mapfile -c1 -C echo < 1431255577 334779 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 x < 1431255844 746220 :nszceta!~nszceta@5356930D.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1431255848 275752 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What would you do with a fnord? < 1431255848 453162 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: don't assume stupidity, do like me and can't be bothered tracking back to find fnord < 1431255860 859209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I like you. < 1431255878 46546 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1431255903 633843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :admonished by fungot. < 1431255903 842834 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: filter bj ( class bjblaz)... view bj....! does it return f < 1431255920 604625 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no it does not < 1431255920 922222 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you have to access locals, and there arrives an infinite number of ways to emulate functions ( but not their values) and defines its methods. < 1431257330 182033 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1431257365 955011 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :parasites that infect snails, control their brain to make them crawl to open spaces so they can be eaten by birds < 1431257381 762054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the goal of those parasites so they can infect the bird < 1431257387 421636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's creppy < 1431257397 33168 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a cordycep? < 1431257397 216612 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sigh. so if you collect everything into a string? for example, < 1431257420 927449 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a fungi that infects IRC users and takes over their minds. < 1431257421 197609 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if working by hand, just returns the constant. besides, those take awfully long time to start solving this problem < 1431257431 475299 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :parasites that control behavior are awesome < 1431257464 271734 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :from an evolutionary standpoint yes < 1431257470 75648 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they essentially hack other species < 1431257518 343513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty certain there are parasites than can do that to humans < 1431257527 622352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably not so sophisticated as for insects < 1431257641 780464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's rabies < 1431257645 121000 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which causes hydrophobie < 1431257649 546916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hydrophobia < 1431257677 227701 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it affects behaviours of humans < 1431257682 1985 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*effects < 1431257698 90426 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a virus, not a parasite < 1431257704 573265 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my impression is that we overestimate how complicated these behaviors are, and how hard it is to modify them < 1431257785 556469 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently rabies causes excessive salivation and pain on swallowing, and that causes the hydrophobia < 1431257786 699050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh. most parasite can modify your behavior. some fungus infections cause you to itch and scratch, so you spread them further on your skin. < 1431257829 413791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some other infections cause you to have high fever and take days off work and stay home in bed. < 1431257915 366139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :toxoplasma gondii apparentely alters rats brains < 1431257942 630172 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some chemistry in it < 1431257979 28692 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's some correlation between toxo and schizophrenia < 1431257990 218509 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just a correlation as of current research < 1431258096 802314 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1431258303 159246 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1431258327 454329 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, previous estimates have shown the highest prevalence of persons infected with T. gondii to be in France, at 84%" < 1431258335 92853 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that certainly seems to get creepy < 1431258442 671193 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We found that among all patients the additional diagnosis of a personality disorder was significantly associated with TG infection." < 1431258620 499901 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In particular, T. gondii seroprevalence has been associated with suicide." < 1431258762 99545 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they seem to infect amygdalas more than other brain regions < 1431258774 123197 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense since a lot of personality disorders are linked to amygdala abnormalities < 1431258893 577595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sure, but you also have to consider that a lot of those research is nonsense. they're invented deliberatey by people who want to prove that certain people are wrong and have a behaviour disorder that have to be cured. < 1431258944 902900 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personality disorders are very subjective yes. < 1431258954 251384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, like, it's easier to convince a parent that they should give medicine to their child for their alleged behaviour disorders if they show laboratory tests with numbers circled on them to show that their child is wrong. < 1431258958 599002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Schizophrenia shouldn't be hard to correctly diagnose < 1431258969 396317 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you're not practicing light dinner conversation < 1431258975 10478 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1431259033 286777 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: According to recommendations PDs shouldn't be diagnosed pre-adulthood < 1431259038 331764 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you know how some people running European countries, and schools in particular, are trying very hard to steal all bad ideas from America and their school system? < 1431259069 53478 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that of course doesn't count for other disorders such as BP and BP-subtypes, mood orders in general < 1431259076 385831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not easy, because there's so many differences, but they're trying. < 1431259079 292078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :schizophrenia, ocd, schizoaffective and the like < 1431259092 834494 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mood disorders < 1431259099 473462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that schizophrenia is often diagnosed as autism in childhood, since they present similarly before adulthood? < 1431259126 102960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the same thing can apply to adults too, where it affects fewer people but probably more dangerous for them < 1431259131 341308 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they are overlapping yes < 1431259138 647030 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think autism doesn't have positive symptoms < 1431259158 114812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but schizophrenia doesn't neccessarily have to come with positive symptoms < 1431259165 14505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, not in the schizophrenia sense per se. though it is more than just the negative symptoms of schizophrenia, of course < 1431259175 433694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but schizophrenia's positive symptoms don't usually show up until adulthood, afaik < 1431259187 276369 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also manic states can have positive symptoms that resemble schizophrenia < 1431259198 416781 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's schizoaffective and schizotypal < 1431259199 282501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, what does “positive symptom” mean? < 1431259200 670321 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and schizoid < 1431259209 33036 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hallucinations and the like < 1431259217 214663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about psychiatry, luckily < 1431259224 464752 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that aren't there < 1431259239 345542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1431259241 711913 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :positive symptoms is roughly "stuff that is added" and negative symptoms is "stuff that is taken away" < 1431259245 205922 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like reduced affect < 1431259246 879892 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a negative symptom < 1431259277 651908 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's paranoid schizophrenia, disorganized schizophrenia, schizophrenia simplex < 1431259293 988838 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a big ugly mess with these disorders < 1431259310 545813 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you can constantly argue that some disorders don't exist or some disorders are actually the same disorder < 1431259331 677435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a mess < 1431259356 450003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether something attributed as a criteria to some disorder is actually another disorder < 1431259359 930823 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like self-injury < 1431259362 717800 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most bullshit disorder is ODD (oppositional defiant disorder) which is just a doctor's long ass way to say your kid is too stubborn < 1431259388 522185 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and won't listen to his teachers < 1431259399 797558 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can argue that self-injury behaviour is a separate disorder < 1431259436 681361 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the DSM only lists SI as a symptom of BPD where it is already known that other disorders present with SI as well < 1431259446 877965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagnoses are more subjective overlapping clusters of criteria than any true reflection of inherent structures of minds, and a lot of what constitutes a pathologised diagnosis vs. normal variation is very much socially driven. < 1431259470 653133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hehe, nice hard to understand sentence. but true. < 1431259470 800586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this should not be interpreted as a rant against claimed over-diagnosis or the use of psychiatric medication.) < 1431259482 444954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: That's a better topic indeed :D But I'm not in the mood. (I also would have to google which Bertelsmann subsidaries I'm particularly pissed at :P) < 1431259489 82238 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431259502 281698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: *shrugs* it's the words that came out of my head in the order they came out < 1431259522 56131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I type on the pretentious side of things sometimes... < 1431259533 672252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how to spell "subsidiaries". < 1431259545 890392 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why's ODD not a PD? < 1431259596 592713 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ODD sounds very ego-syntonic < 1431259638 11624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "ego-syntonic" mean? < 1431259642 399935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a kind of drink? < 1431259645 6164 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1431259669 134792 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means it is in harmony with your ego/personality < 1431259677 893716 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning: You are not aware you have a PD < 1431259694 761695 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your behaviours (that are wrong to others) aren't wrong to yourself < 1431259706 949271 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well my teachers claimed I had ODD, but that stopped when my parents stopped spoiling me so much < 1431259712 694054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCD for example is ego-dystonic < 1431259729 997830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since sufferers are aware of it and that it's "unreasonable" < 1431259739 409613 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1431259741 837585 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCPD (which is not the same as OCD) is ego-syntonic < 1431259751 720586 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1431259756 403798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1431259767 885743 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because the obsessive/compulsive part of OCPD is part of the personality itself < 1431259800 411716 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :( #esoteric is a strange channel) < 1431259801 71852 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:1: error: expected: ":", < 1431259801 218447 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : dependent type signature, < 1431259801 365171 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : end of input < 1431259801 365255 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is a strange channel) < 1431259801 365286 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1431259802 125414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is that we humans specify what is a disorder and what not ;) < 1431259813 50796 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it depends on culture. < 1431259822 130236 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So OCPD is a doctor's long way of saying "too anal"? < 1431259823 472247 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yep < 1431259828 675734 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :being afraid of aliens is a disorder < 1431259833 163051 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :being afraid of the devil is not < 1431259837 330903 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the difference there? < 1431259846 966209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(indeed, largely those who do not meet the diagnostic criteria of more or less any disorder specify what a disorder is.) < 1431259852 569806 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I don't. < 1431259887 20324 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The devil has a much chance of existing than aliens, mroman < 1431259887 569444 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of PDs are underdiagnosed < 1431259891 342964 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: perhaps more to the point, what if the person is an Atheist? Or a scientologist? < 1431259909 114981 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because given the right circumstances and the right people around a person with a PD the PD might not show up < 1431259930 819041 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :related: http://funnyexam.com/answers/54514 < 1431259932 563941 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you constantly provide narcissistic supply for an NPD he won't have any problems with it. < 1431259978 488261 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think atheism is accepted < 1431259982 479053 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not listed as a disorder < 1431259986 224037 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike fetishism < 1431259989 852318 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a disorder < 1431259992 455449 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Christs_of_Ypsilanti) < 1431260014 296559 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: No, I meant, what if the person who's afraid of the devil is an Atheist, or the one being afraid of aliens is a Scientologist? < 1431260015 660498 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ego-dystonic homosexuality < 1431260017 258454 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and HSDD < 1431260019 470043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... many more < 1431260037 679043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ow. That would be weird :) < 1431260039 978311 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1431260041 175990 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1431260046 190467 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :atheists don't believe in god? < 1431260052 942523 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean they don't believe in the devil as well? < 1431260089 913955 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1431260096 453787 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :HSDD is probably mostly a disorder because people expect you to have sex < 1431260102 308845 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect they don't believe in supernatural entities at all, normally. < 1431260106 797779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1431260116 885267 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the flying spaghetti monster count as supernatural? < 1431260127 163819 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, musing, I don't expect an answer. < 1431260129 373050 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, i guess usually? It doesn't really make sense for the Devil to exist with no god opposing him < 1431260212 506671 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you believe in the FSM, you're not an Atheist in my view (wow, I must be an atheist fanatist). If you use it for making a point that believing in the FSM is just as sensible as believing in another God, you still might be. < 1431260226 116015 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1431260230 953584 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the FSM doesn't have a good history < 1431260232 366500 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1431260237 49872 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ancient texts have been found < 1431260242 224201 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares! < 1431260244 57101 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the bible < 1431260249 12985 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can trace it back thousands of years! < 1431260255 465672 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must make it truer than FSM < 1431260270 297186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1431260274 985684 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well some parts are known to be true, < 1431260275 264488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wars have been fought for FSM yet < 1431260280 980566 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that's a temporary situation. in a thousand more years, the difference will no longer be significant < 1431260286 551884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were written on lasagna plates; turns out stone plates, pergament and paper are more durable ;) < 1431260287 889555 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that indicates people believing in the FSM aren't very serious about it < 1431260298 593328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well duh, that's because the FSM would really rather you don't fight wars for him < 1431260320 952868 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't take religions without religious wars serious < 1431260326 446874 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lack of dedication < 1431260343 784539 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lack of craziness < 1431260352 209264 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also~, lack of death threats forcing anyone to take it seriously < 1431260356 308723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? not crazy enough? < 1431260370 704219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: same thing. the FSM would rather you not do that. < 1431260372 902601 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1431260380 723291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the IPU better anyway. < 1431260384 919466 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is more "serious" about his religion < 1431260385 801146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers the flamebait of positing that many atheists beleve in supernatural entities without admitting it, and decides that sleep and a meta message is the superior option. < 1431260394 31324 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :one who kills other people for it or one who doesn't? < 1431260408 506739 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, how does HSDD differ from, like, asexuality? < 1431260431 272343 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvd: If you are not distressed then it's asexuality < 1431260434 166193 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's HSDD < 1431260444 775789 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning "I have no desire for sex and that depresses me" -> HSDD < 1431260454 129823 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have no desire for sex and I'm cool with it" -> asexuality < 1431260474 298623 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems... < 1431260475 151697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it also had "I am gay and that distresses me" in before it was removed for being homophobic, too. < 1431260475 750478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where do you draw the line? I do curse inanimate objects a lot :P < 1431260475 910898 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off < 1431260490 396592 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm gay and that distresses me" is ego-dystonic homosexuality < 1431260492 683475 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a disorder < 1431260505 692211 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :according the clinicians. < 1431260514 898591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question, of course, is how much the diagnoses actually corresponded to personal distress of the diagnosed, and also, how much of that distress was internal as opposed to a side-effect of societal homophobia. hence its removal. < 1431260525 989319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. http://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Anoia :) < 1431260545 904406 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about "I have no desire for sex and the pressure I receive sex makes me feel like I have something wrong with me and that depresses me" < 1431260547 264212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvd: the criteria for HSDD includes "must cause marked distress and interpersonal difficulties" < 1431260553 4674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: not in the DSM, at least? < 1431260554 248329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HSDD has garnered much criticism, primarily by asexual activists. They point out that HSDD puts asexuality in the same position homosexuality was from 1974-1987. Back then, the DSM recognised 'ego-dystonic homosexuality' as a disorder, defined as having sexual interest in the same sex and it causing distress. Despite the DSM itself officially recognizing this as unnecessarily pathologizing homosexuality < 1431260560 520071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and removing it as a disorder in 1987,[5]" < 1431260567 755273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ICD still has it I think < 1431260571 707932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1431260582 562317 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also funny ICD vs. DSM < 1431260593 642774 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :having disorders in the DSM not in the ICD and vice-versa < 1431260598 114750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, pathologising the attraction along with the associated distress is not necessarily politically neutral. < 1431260601 938273 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having different criterias for disorders. < 1431260629 754413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but technically if you're asexual and a clinicians diagnoses you with HSDD you have HSDD < 1431260630 46979 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I heard a story where God likes atheist activists, because at least they actively think of Him all the time. < 1431260653 361299 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for paper matters at least < 1431260674 382445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the criteria for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_sexual_arousal_disorder do _not_ include associated personal distress < 1431260684 447490 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1431260691 661497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may reflect on the implications of the gender-specificity of that diagnosis < 1431260702 519655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a female doesn't want sex there must be something wrong < 1431260708 927941 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter if she feels distressed by it or not < 1431260712 142698 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the male wants sex < 1431260717 449894 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most clinicians are probably male < 1431260719 637428 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: I think Smullyan mentions the idea that maybe God likes atheists because they don't believe in things they can't prove < 1431260743 85483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1431260747 360201 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an arousal disorder < 1431260749 823591 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's something else < 1431260754 896597 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :asexuality isn't an arousal disorder < 1431260768 54453 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :arousal != desired < 1431260772 222105 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*arousal != desire < 1431260790 259538 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :arousal is a "physical reaction" < 1431260801 46149 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you lack a physical reaction you're supposed to have it's a disorder < 1431260805 824755 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you from personal experience that they are different < 1431260828 633051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: look at the DSM-5 criteria. < 1431260829 613180 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :asexuals don't generally have problems with arousal < 1431260832 346079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Absent/reduced interest in sexual activity" < 1431260832 492929 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it was beacuse a lot of people, even people who are nominally religious, never really think about god < 1431260832 644095 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a lack of desire < 1431260839 686358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clearly not solely about arousal in that sense < 1431260855 507615 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it includes "interest" < 1431260865 767519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even "Absent/reduced sexual/erotic thoughts or fantasies" < 1431260872 895025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I find the DSM-IV criteria *less* objectionable! < 1431260891 780104 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a male arousal disorder? < 1431260896 59355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1431260901 146971 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would probably be called impotence? < 1431260905 505630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have I sparked < 1431260909 252599 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... yeah. < 1431260934 426594 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you know what you were getting yourself into < 1431260937 826450 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1431260939 593531 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you knew < 1431260946 866956 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1431260949 154596 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :U NEW < 1431260950 710133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well, there's erectile dysfunction < 1431260954 506467 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a certain reputation to pick up on these kind of conversations. < 1431260965 897109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather dissimilar criteria from the DSM-5 one I linked, presumably < 1431261016 341623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is with certain channel regulars absent because week-end < 1431261023 697905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The term is often used in the diagnosis of women (female sexual arousal disorder), while the term erectile dysfunction (ED) is often used for men." < 1431261056 16525 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: In other words: Science is fun :p < 1431261066 48139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's mostly pseudo-science < 1431261069 191632 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still science < 1431261092 528528 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudo-science is probably even more fun than the old school regular science < 1431261096 822926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's not fun, but still useful < 1431261190 904406 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvd: btw. there are also clinicians who say "asexuality == depressed" < 1431261199 517228 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "lack of libido is a hallmark sign of depression" < 1431261217 696613 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1431261232 570541 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431261248 630301 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fairly sure I am not depressed < 1431261254 23978 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, on how it's subjective what counts as a disorder, this strip is slightly related: http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1995#comic < 1431261271 499446 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvd: I'm fairly sure I am not constantly depressed < 1431261311 147404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1200$ spending sprees isn't really a symptom of depression I guess < 1431261315 530411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comic only makes sense if you actually believe everyone can walk < 1431261325 76148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which... god news for you there < 1431261327 744298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*got < 1431261345 369940 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1431261387 427972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have some sort of disease affecting muscels < 1431261393 390991 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or muscle control < 1431261457 303529 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or! < 1431261489 86005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :osteomalacia < 1431261497 174680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes your bones so week they bend < 1431261500 910301 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*weak < 1431261532 604780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't believe everyone can walk. I only believe that most people can walk. < 1431261557 971710 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there are many that can't, because of various defects or injuries or accidents < 1431261562 363877 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"healthy people"? < 1431261655 521899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you define healthy? :) < 1431261657 939904 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mental disorders depend on what is expected and accepted. And there really isn't any other way of running it < 1431261661 397700 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hark-a-vagrant version of that comic would be "You'd better start walking right now, or that surgeon there is going to diagnose you with polio." < 1431261663 57742 :nszceta!~nszceta@5356930D.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1431261668 369751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides that's enough wood on the fire, and actually goes to sleep. < 1431261672 288291 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1431261689 586338 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get back into researching T.gondii < 1431261703 210219 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or toxoplasmosis < 1431261721 250302 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: not polio. polio is like http://www.xkcd.com/1520/ < 1431261784 424302 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna diagnose him with Isaacs Syndrome < 1431261797 93513 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1431261852 702354 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some nerve hyperexcitability < 1431261877 526616 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :causes cramps, twitching, stiffness etc. < 1431261976 308374 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like an exclusion diagnosis < 1431262135 868189 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being lately reading lots of medicine books and articles my respect for doctors is growing < 1431262210 729353 :teakey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431262214 775414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I wonder if GPs even know about these rare conditions < 1431262216 263224 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1431262221 215580 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1431263687 125318 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431264179 88617 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1431265320 937603 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1431265490 828946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1431265958 505035 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1431265959 952338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think ICAO codes are much better than IATA codes isn't it? They should change all of their systems into ICAO codes <-- the problem is that ICAO codes are incomprehensible to non-nerds hth < 1431266033 13186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("ENGM"? wtf is that? "OSL"? oh of course that's oslo) < 1431266493 799523 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-69.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1431266522 592612 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YUL. obviously it's YULontréal. < 1431266530 296697 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-15-69.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1431266530 443638 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1431266576 688734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so northern americans managed to mess up IATA too, no surprise there. < 1431266586 525236 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i was a nerd but i never heard of icao codes < 1431266589 771286 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1431266598 650887 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION totally non nerd < 1431266606 37646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1431266606 477130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 101350Z 29013KT 9999 FEW045TCU SCT050 10/M00 Q1017 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 30013KT < 1431266642 360074 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: being a nerd is good. embrace you inner geek. exchange with fungot. < 1431266642 513580 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: maybe next year, as they become necessary in your games < 1431266647 391458 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1431266647 969170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 101300Z 22010KT 15SM FEW020 FEW080 SCT110 SCT180 22/17 A3003 RMK CU1ACC1AC3AC1 CU TR ACC TR SLP169 DENSITY ALT 700FT < 1431266656 475050 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is @metar ? < 1431266662 202618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help metar < 1431266662 391756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :metar < 1431266662 391794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look up METAR weather data for given airport. < 1431266680 272658 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why are you doing it? < 1431266683 45442 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks totally useless < 1431266689 708381 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrariwise! < 1431266702 610235 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :detailed weather information is of utmost importance. < 1431266704 781418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: it's the nerd equivalent of talking about the weather, of course < 1431266713 834266 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, looks 97% useless < 1431266714 245919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except we naturally optimize it < 1431266726 654386 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it proves it's warmer here than at oerjan's :D < 1431266764 974019 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and stormy weather here. CU1ACC1AC3AC1 CU TR ACC TR...) < 1431266790 963990 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LIMF < 1431266792 271532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIMF 101350Z 02003KT 310V090 CAVOK 25/10 Q1023 < 1431266796 499776 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that good? < 1431266805 405774 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't read that output < 1431266826 406565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important part is the 25/ hth < 1431266835 282902 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :please explain < 1431266843 542264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's temperature in celsius < 1431266860 205966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIMF is the location, 101350Z is the time of the measurement < 1431266869 300163 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIMF is close to me < 1431266873 910320 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1431266886 627752 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :101350Z == ? < 1431266928 794526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :10th, 13:50 UTC < 1431266942 999633 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :10th what? < 1431266948 798781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :current month < 1431266948 945350 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh may < 1431266970 209100 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what about the rest? < 1431266980 916691 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i google to know more? < 1431267014 689308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/10 is dew point, temperature at which dew forms, says something about dryness < 1431267028 832374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the rest i defer to boily < 1431267049 368714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 1023 the air pressure? < 1431267075 974002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: metar, probably < 1431267094 326564 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1431267113 215696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the websites explain the codes iirc < 1431267119 240737 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now i know all about it < 1431267125 916774 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :96% useless < 1431267128 18922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you read fast < 1431267138 935524 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i type fast too < 1431267139 279319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THE 4% IS ESSENTIAL < 1431267142 226902 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part is the wind? < 1431267258 62040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 003KT part, i think < 1431267292 675180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also which part is the air pressure history? < 1431267319 355372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :air pressure is the Q part < 1431267335 137960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see here http://en.allmetsat.com/metar-taf/norway-sweden-finland.php?icao=ENVA < 1431267341 566503 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1431267493 774476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "Current weather observation" is a breakup < 1431267517 576428 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431268204 260616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The devil has a much chance of existing than aliens, mroman <-- i think someone snipped your comparative, although whether it was the devil or aliens i'm not sure until you tell what it should have been hth < 1431268318 497416 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you exist, and if so, are you the Devil or an alien? < 1431268318 796560 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i started that practice after accidentally typing rm one time too often, so they can release it at the head < 1431268325 436706 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Devil it is. < 1431268350 262635 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear fungot is getting more coherent every day < 1431268350 628066 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so how do i dump and load images? cool. what's the tz diff between roc and jp? i'm guessing you don't have uniform representation can't be totally hidden < 1431268384 484647 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's still some room for improvement :) < 1431268409 563945 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think he's quoting me there < 1431268421 67537 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1431268421 530109 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: thr r6rs-discuss alias is quiet... too quiet." " fnord" a bit with smalltalk and wanted to go to class with like 2-3 hours of sleep have you had < 1431268432 920149 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ < 1431268433 367363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 101400Z 36008KT 12SM OVC075 19/16 A3010 RMK AC8 SLP191 DENSITY ALT 900FT < 1431268433 514206 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you or the devil have a much chance of existing? < 1431268433 660854 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: whether the code has nothing to do with what we know now. three done.) < 1431268436 362476 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you and Santa Claus both exist? < 1431268436 838326 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: or i could be wrong, but sarahbot is speaking tongue-in-cheek, of course. in my particular case i'm thinking specifically of chicken, so i was a sex-starved manicurist found dead in the bronx!! i want my byte-vectors and string to be a < 1431268437 261449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no he just wants you to help with his media interaction < 1431268460 585605 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it could be that the rest of the world is just getting less coherent < 1431268486 594018 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is the rest of the world getting less coherent? < 1431268486 851191 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://rafb.net/ fnord impromptu play! i'll get right on implementing it. it's built into the interpreter < 1431268488 606043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with olsner < 1431268506 167148 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the problem is just, I'm pretty sure that fizzie has not retrained any of the language models... < 1431268509 54579 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, law of thermodynamics, I forget which one < 1431268530 477414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think the mode that quotes irc continuously uses new sentences < 1431268534 325980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, < 1431268544 392507 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: the one about fungot and coherence? that'd be the fnordth law < 1431268544 546091 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: c would basically work on everything tex works now.) what time is it < 1431268563 939188 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :y0KXJGaiquc5M8Iqf oCsSgFRCedys9kQsq9gzZA < 1431268569 395471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: y0KXJGaiquc5M8Iqf < 1431268569 833309 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: don't think so. if the binary distribution runs from /bin /lib and /include and /bin < 1431268571 595861 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you could solve this mystery, do you have some sort of cron job that updates the IRC model? < 1431268575 518786 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1431268586 479547 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if fungot will ever become a CHICKEN practicioner. < 1431268586 658493 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you suppose ebcdic mappings would be a little bit like scythe... i am < 1431268600 11360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I've heard that it's not even context sensitive. < 1431268601 921605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which model is he using now? < 1431268618 123853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: maybe I was dreaming? < 1431268619 705440 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^model < 1431268624 28410 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so it's all our brains fooling ourselves (or at least my brain fooling itself) < 1431268624 220503 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1431268625 577233 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^dict < 1431268636 672303 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^corpus < 1431268642 583911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^vocabulary < 1431268647 361040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^markov < 1431268652 248926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1431268652 395910 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1431268658 968864 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1431268659 115583 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1431268663 487591 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1431268664 952304 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1431268676 957328 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was some other bot? < 1431268726 994107 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make a bot that uses a markov chain to imitate particular people < 1431268751 867961 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then when they're not online, we can still act like they are < 1431268787 392561 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"MARKOV CHICKEN CHICKEN CHICKEN CHICKEN" < 1431268787 539625 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1431268922 953300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: fungot needs no updating he learns through synchronicity hth < 1431268923 282541 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow.....you are very polite. umm......do you like the weather in atlanta? you seem uncertain. do not use notepad for small things < 1431268950 877642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i don't use notepad for pretty much anything < 1431268951 30465 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: news to me that postfix fits to standard english usage better than scheme. < 1431269013 555677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: well postfix doesn't fit scheme at _all_, so... < 1431269013 804562 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i've gotten to the metacircular evaluation chapter? for as much as any other variable in plof... my english is bad for you. :) < 1431269014 56138 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: well, standard scheme doesn't transport email nearly as well as postfix does < 1431269014 272592 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: csc mailbox.scm -o3 -fv -lambda-lift -unsafe-libraries -d0 -b/ usr/ src/ fnord fnord fnord < 1431269049 798118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :plof, now that's ancient < 1431269074 36773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric : oerjan: i've gotten to the metacircular evaluation chapter? | Vǫwël Cøntınùům | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1431269092 586365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the time when Gregor actually had time to esolang < 1431269106 239084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except plof wasn't an esolang. but still. < 1431269188 212366 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my english is bad for you. :)" <-- finally fungоt admits the inconvenient truth. < 1431269237 356373 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1431269259 221497 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a formula for how many symbols in base b can store N symbols in another base d? < 1431269296 538944 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it must use logarithm... < 1431269315 456448 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :d^N <= b^M < 1431269377 250190 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah. So I take the log(b,d^N) and round up. < 1431269446 181405 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a convertor back from binary to CSV < 1431269470 10380 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My program produces results as binary but I can't read binary < 1431269510 254210 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh I saw a cute problem on ##math: show that A_n = sum_{i=1}^n sin(n)sin(n^2) is bounded. < 1431269521 962825 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1431269528 315479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin(i)sin(i^2) under the sum. < 1431269704 991372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1431269773 639506 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesee... sin(i) and sin(i^2) have the same sign if (i^2-i)/(PI/2) is near an odd number, opposite if it is near a even number < 1431269826 162889 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and typically it will have magnitude < 1 < 1431269847 637064 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, always. < 1431269886 346947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bounded, not converging. hm. < 1431269952 93900 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. |sin(i)| is <1 for all integers < 1431269976 474393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that much is obvious and doesn't immediately help. < 1431270023 728510 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. Oh... we need to prove there are roughly equal numbers of positive and negative and their magnitudes are on avergae equal < 1431270091 573547 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fwiw, that was my initial reaction as well. < 1431270124 361621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty obvious it cannot be converging < 1431270144 636629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can always adjust n to get a term close to 1) < 1431270158 913158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er i < 1431270309 369974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this probably needs some trick i cannot guess. < 1431270357 735154 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i+1)^2-i-1 = i^2+2i+1-i-1 = i^2+i < 1431270389 584726 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the difference between the things is 2i < 1431270418 903169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were just sum_{i=1}^n sin(i) i could see how to do the "roughly equal" thing. < 1431270441 585051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: "the things"? < 1431270475 818071 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing you take mod pi/2 of to tell if a term is positive or negative < 1431270489 538761 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i^2-1 < 1431270493 720152 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i^2-i < 1431270498 803352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that's not going to help you. < 1431270543 402435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that some actual trigonometry is needed < 1431270549 402073 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't look jhopeful < 1431270849 82487 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the surprising bit is that actual trigonometry actually helps < 1431270895 576629 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use sin(n)sin(n^2) = 1/2(cos(n-n^2) - cos(n+n^2)). < 1431270925 536548 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! < 1431271038 110036 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and n+n^2 = (n+1)^2-(n+1) < 1431271092 284949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I should've written cos(n^2-n) - cos(n^2+n) < 1431271097 429491 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which we can use to relate each term to previous term < 1431271192 993733 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in term i, we have -cos(i^2+i) and in term i+1 we have cos(i^2+i) < 1431271235 904810 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the English call this a telescoping sum (Wikipedia says "series"): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescoping_series < 1431271260 73944 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that the sum is (1/2)cos(0) - (1/2)cos(n^2-n) < 1431271278 930963 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is bounded :) < 1431271284 165881 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1431271305 902598 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think i may have something backwards,but basicall that's it < 1431271364 675026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next, prove/disprove that it still holds with basically arbitrary polynomials instead hth < 1431271428 154835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. sum_{i=1}^n sin(p_1(i)) ... sin(p_k(i)) < 1431271442 869465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably need to be non-constant at least < 1431271453 234054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least one of them < 1431271527 668038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: i don't actually know the answer and when i tried to type that my hunch is it still holds, i got a hunch not to type it hth) < 1431271593 355396 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1431272607 701657 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well in any case it's unlikely to be "cute". < 1431273137 215408 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1431273192 891349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1431273295 248050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you disagreeing with my sense of cuteness? < 1431273308 503230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heaven forbid < 1431273817 674979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1431274080 306554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, one for elliott (who should be asleep): I have this irrational belief that all phenomena we observe have, in principle, a logical explanation (this is weaker than it may sound, because it includes chaotic systems like actual people making decisions, which are based on the laws of physics (great term) but which cannot be predicted in practice even though they, too, are governed by some... < 1431274086 253360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...unknown laws of physics.) < 1431274162 167284 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid redundancy (using irssi means I'm editing this in a 80 character wide line editor (minus prompt), so I never see it all at once...) < 1431275584 524008 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suika Ibuki on Keith Olbermann < 1431275597 973466 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIq9f3kW1cA < 1431275608 189732 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :3:10 < 1431275768 109756 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1431276495 769515 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431277009 54707 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SWEDISHISH CHICKEN < 1431277032 692822 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-116-92.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1431277181 195852 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1431277201 630348 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1431277287 219460 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-116-92.play-internet.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1431278475 658823 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1431279331 534805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1431279893 367178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know answering my other questions? You didn't quite answer all of them. < 1431279921 665489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which questions? < 1431279959 610846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is messy http://esolangs.org/wiki/Stapler < 1431280019 464372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The iron in two cars would have different position/momentum/configuration/etc so if you just switched all iron from one car with another instantaneously somehow, I think it would be explosive? Even if not, aren't the fermions anticommutative, and can the state have different quantum entanglement? < 1431280078 613884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read some book says that "d^2x" isn't consistent if d^2y/dx^2 is a second derivative; I did try to calculate myself (assuming that d^2x means d(dx)) and I did get a different more complicated answer that agrees with one in the book. < 1431280086 478734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1431280665 812607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, zzo38 < 1431280732 950456 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431280757 17496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is d? < 1431280939 392511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean d is used for derivatives < 1431280949 145929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like dy/dx for derivative of y with respect to x < 1431281033 109253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but what does it actually mean? What's d^2? < 1431281047 981540 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a book that attemps to use infinitesimals to put the d/dx notation on a good grounding < 1431281056 572161 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme get it one sec < 1431281091 196971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of ways to do infinitesimals. < 1431281098 435024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think hyperreals are probably not the best way. < 1431281184 496978 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so dy = f'(x)dx, where dx is an infinitesimal < 1431281209 404037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"infinitesimal" can means lots of different things. < 1431281210 508930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A d^2 is apparently nothing in the normal way, but the new way has d^2x meaning d(dx) so it is the "d" operator applied twice < 1431281242 522283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like dx and dy are just derivative operators on x and y that act in certain ways by mathematically. < 1431281262 340351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the new way? < 1431281280 737037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1431281281 12163 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dx is defined to be an infinitesimal that is "infinitely small" _as compared to_ x < 1431281283 289658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you what is the new way < 1431281304 384306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but I see it is often defined like that < 1431281322 92365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You haven't even said what "infinitesimal" means. Is it a hyperreal? < 1431281334 378941 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shachaf: yaehg < 1431281365 423644 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book is "Foundations of infinitesimal calculus" by H Jerome Keisler < 1431281385 400356 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1976 < 1431281392 985348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it is just a "derivative operator"; it doesn't look like any amount of "small" or anything like that; but, if the result is the same regardless then it is just as much correct. < 1431281461 679227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There's the exterior derivative operation, which is called d. But for that operation d^2 = 0 < 1431281480 127984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not talking about the exterior derivative operation < 1431281516 952296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the derivative operator? < 1431281559 750405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an operator with certain mathematical properties. < 1431281568 836786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it operate on? < 1431281690 301564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It operates on however the derivative is figured, such as d(x^2) = 2xdx and so on. < 1431281698 403471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1431281705 385438 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sentence doesn't even make sense < 1431281716 914242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is dx? < 1431281724 574975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you show that irc logging to sqlite database stuff you've made? I'm not going to use it as is, but now I'm curios and might learn from it < 1431281763 906696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://sprunge.us/BMbX < 1431281776 252599 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1431281966 489051 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use \r\n instead of just \n as the line terminator for commands? are there irc servers that don't like \n ? < 1431282062 778095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RFC specifies that \r\n is used as the line terminator. (I think this is common of many internet protocols.) < 1431282080 24955 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that's what the rfc says, and servers send you \r\n < 1431282121 538997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least freenode allows receiving just \n fine, and if you do that, you get one more bytes from the 512 byte line length limit, though that rarely matters < 1431282150 841735 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you can send one more payload byte that way < 1431282187 604842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the protocol is supposed to use \r\n even if most (all?) servers accept just \n < 1431282208 93417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the rfcs are old, and I'm using other extensions too < 1431282230 105801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you know where I can read about the meaning of the d operator? < 1431282254 855640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Try on Wikipedia? I don't know < 1431282286 575206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which page? < 1431282289 735687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: static int buffer_length_max=2992; => I use 3040 for some reason, but I think that's not the precise limit < 1431282303 157776 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but both are close < 1431282307 832602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not much higher < 1431282379 218839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, but apparently it's overridable < 1431282382 868862 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you didn't declare it const < 1431282397 261585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: No, none of the models is (yet, at least) automatically updated. < 1431282406 395508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Arguably, I should do that. < 1431282411 70358 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if a SQL code calls the IRCCONFIG function it can override the buffer_length_max < 1431282444 749790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Although there's a bit of an issue in that the irc model was trained with a rather different algorithm, so wouldn't that be kind of like murder? It might completely change its personality. < 1431282507 79915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1431282511 853815 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks for the info < 1431282528 130483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can't you do both kinds, to make two kind of model? < 1431282551 474571 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm fine with the current state of affairs. (And indeed, you should preserve the current irc model, and perhaps have another dynirc model that's getting updated) < 1431282586 381065 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the latter turns evil we can get rid of it :P < 1431282699 29459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're calling sqlite3_prepare, rather than sqlite3_prepare_v2? strange < 1431282775 188200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: You use sqlite3_prepare_v2 in case it should auto-reprepare if the schema is changed, but the schema isn't supposed to change while it is running. If you want to allow it, change it to sqlite3_prepare_v2. < 1431282805 902654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, I just thought it was easiest to always use sqlite3_prepare_v2 < 1431282808 710507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Changing the schema while running and repreparing can cause statements to reset in the middle and stuff like that, which might cause problems sometimes) < 1431282824 387834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you realise that 'dx' basically doesn't have a formal definition in mathematics? < 1431282837 421931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1431282846 791492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1431282870 311375 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, that's just what they say to you < 1431282870 627348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Are you sure? I thought it is stuff like d(x^2) = 2xdx and stuff like that, but that the d^2x for second derivatives doesn't have a formal definition. < 1431282885 925053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used in general as a suggestive hint and it has a couple of very domain-specific definitions that don't really work for all the ways the notation is used < 1431282906 580940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless you use the variant notation (which is more complicated) where d^2x is valid) < 1431282922 854589 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the 'suggestive notation' sense < 1431282949 513429 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, typically it's just a notation < 1431282964 183362 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can in fact formalize bits of the notation < 1431282967 606635 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :d(x^2)/dx = I couldn't find any older calculus textbooks, but I do have an old physics textbook here < 1431283007 939922 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which refers vaguley to infinitesimals but doesn't formalize anything < 1431283062 88734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If d^2x mean d(dx) then the second derivative is supposed to be (d^2y - d^2x dy/dx) / dx^2 < 1431283077 137561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even calculate this yourself; that's what I did. < 1431283090 589759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also the answer is in book; I came up with the same answer. < 1431283127 800292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you assume the buffer is cleared if you get any PONG? so the higher levels aren't allowed to send PONGs at all? < 1431283137 221716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but the point is that if you try to formalise the notation like that you'll quickly run into contradictions < 1431283141 995762 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1431283144 522373 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :send PINGs < 1431283213 813840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know the best way? Therefore I did like that. If you make improvement you can send to me too I can fix my program too < 1431283256 640171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If you are careful then I don't expect having a lot of problem? I assume to don't use any "disembodied operators" though. < 1431283311 30680 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I send a PING with a specific body, "PING B\n" and only assume the buffer cleared if I get a PONG with the second argument equal to "B" < 1431283312 260351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What sorts of contradictions? < 1431283321 500686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The d notation works so well that I'd like to believe that it can be formalized. < 1431283343 52633 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, i honestly don't remember off the top of my hat. try making your notation work with integrals, at least < 1431283365 204991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, half the fun is making it work with integrals. < 1431283390 330811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like ∫ ... dy/dx dx = ∫ ... dy < 1431283397 896706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason the two main formalisations of calculus use either epsilontics or a much more nuanced set-theoretic description of infinitesimals that the 'dx' notation can't express < 1431283398 376052 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, wait, do you assume that your nick can never change? < 1431283417 585127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're talking about hyperreals? < 1431283420 866399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1431283429 469243 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server can change your nick by sending a "NICK" statement, and it does this when there's a nick collision after a netunsplit < 1431283441 129712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes. I didn't add all the stuff in yet, but perhaps it should be added in. < 1431283447 214359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about synthetic differential geometry? < 1431283462 181022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's the thing I'm thinking of. < 1431283474 648750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I said, if you make improvements I will merge them in (as long as they are compatible with public domain; CC0 and Unlicense are also OK) < 1431283517 668997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and knowing your nick is useful because it lets you tell if a KICK statement is kicking you from a channel or someone else, though I just chose the simple solution that if the server changes my nick, I make the bot exit < 1431283546 281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smooth infinitesimal analysis. < 1431283547 999540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing. < 1431283593 202230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Clearly doesn't seems the best solution, but you can do that by adding triggers (even if proper nick change handling is added into the program) < 1431283773 141474 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. I was hoping I had a calculus textbook from before the move to limits reached classrooms, but I don't < 1431283793 585378 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have < 1431283816 223788 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A School Geometry" from 1933 but that isn't calculus < 1431283914 566761 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hpkijvvkfsjwczlq JOIN :#esoteric < 1431284151 357688 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-191-081.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1431284474 319374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, the proper solution would be ghosting the user using my desired nick, then nicking back to it < 1431284477 480796 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1431284506 697458 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the same time following what my current nick is while that happens < 1431284603 975868 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and giving up only if I can't get my original nick back in a few attempts of ghosting. < 1431284692 977929 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1431285587 551045 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaah why does anything exist < 1431285739 772965 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Eru Illuvatar. < 1431285756 414734 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1431285915 348850 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Armok < 1431286011 332836 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvd: nothing actually exists. the Monkey is just imagining everything that you think exists very carefully, because he's bored otherwise. < 1431286171 398461 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1431287498 226882 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum, funky. HTTP specifically mentions the notion of an HTTP proxy being used for purposes of translating between protocols. < 1431287532 640691 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have decided that reality exists because it is mathematically consistent and thus were it to be simulated the simulation of me would experience the same perceptions I do < 1431287546 424556 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g.: GET gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/world HTTP/1.1 is a perfectly reasonable request. < 1431287546 884999 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus as a mathematical model this universe must exist < 1431287563 178446 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :An implementing proxy would of course translate that Gopher menu to HTML. < 1431287696 653786 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or (more useful but also more bizarre): GET ftp://ftp.gnu.org/ HTTP/1.1 < 1431287851 190718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is valid for a HTTP server to do that (although means to request the selector "orld" of type "w"; for a menu the type should be "1") < 1431287887 427132 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I was incorrect in the URL. < 1431287903 138230 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/world is the actual URL. < 1431287928 113935 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it appears both valid and intended for an HTTP proxy to function in that manner. < 1431287938 424293 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C, if a pointer dereferences to a value, is it guaranteed that it will always dereference to some value? < 1431287970 381419 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvd: No, it is possible for system state to change such that that pointer is invalid. < 1431287981 83375 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, crash the program invalid?# < 1431288018 707325 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the most obvious ways are for a free() call to invalidate the pointer or for the object the pointer points at to go out of scope) < 1431288022 141326 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1431288063 349593 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1431288075 963508 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :char *foo(void) {char a = 'f';return &a;} /* This returns an invalid pointer. Dereferencing it is invalid. */ < 1431288139 318736 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1431288661 100210 :teakey!~teakey@23.27.206.118 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1431288974 578302 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1431289190 781665 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-116-92.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1431289366 666067 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1431289395 254863 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431289474 326927 :MoALTz_!~no@user-109-243-116-92.play-internet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1431289636 573533 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul_ < 1431289643 698877 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :Tiesoul < 1431289647 224700 :Tiesoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul < 1431290252 224656 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that a null pointer isn't the same thing as an invalid pointer. Dereferencing a invalid pointer *may* still work, it is just not defined by language standard. For example, on an NES, you might do: short *BRKVEC = 0xFFFE; to access the address of the break interrupt handler. But that behaviour isn't part of the language standard/ < 1431290439 809971 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOW, in some code, you might see stuff that seems to be totally invalid, becuase such code is written for a specific hardware where the behavour is known < 1431291773 593188 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.42.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431291783 99565 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@146.66.42.20 QUIT :Changing host < 1431291783 246330 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1431291954 491915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1431292635 730886 :thirds!~blackbox@67.71.94.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431292857 730650 :thirds!~blackbox@67.71.94.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhai < 1431292917 674281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome thirds < 1431292920 175644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02thirds: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1431292964 219317 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C65E.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1431293409 363683 :thirds!~blackbox@67.71.94.79 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha thank you elliot < 1431294354 943165 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( coming back for seconds? ) < 1431294395 875292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! You need to coming back for thirds! It says right there! < 1431294767 708905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is IE supposed to make sense? < 1431294800 488813 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's fixed in 11 < 1431294891 203346 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: In both cases it's explicitly undefined behavior by the *spec*. < 1431294906 914540 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: It just so happens an implementation may decide to define undefined behavior. < 1431294933 363135 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a NES C compiler could just define that UB pointer accesses go to the RAM address corresponding to the pointer and all is well. < 1431294991 280576 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C65E.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1431295015 932525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is such a C compiler to target NES but I don't know what it does in that case, although only $0000-$1FFF is RAM (and most of it is mirrored) < 1431295184 382441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So address 0 is also RAM < 1431295192 675656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because in 6502 it is zero-page. < 1431295238 434549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you number the forms of each pokemon which is having multi forms with different attack/stat/etc? < 1431295256 914999 :notfowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ptjiwltssjbgnhxl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psh < 1431295267 822259 :notfowl!Elite14005@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ptjiwltssjbgnhxl PRIVMSG #esoteric :The og 151 don't have alternate forms < 1431295339 772914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1431295344 493727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, some do < 1431295376 205011 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1431295991 766159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( start at 1, and come back when you run out of natural numbers... ) < 1431296547 445054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to use the numbers which are universal in any program which deal with such thing. I mean to have first the pokemon number and then another field is the form number (zero if it doesn't have alternate forms) < 1431296550 33293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1431296849 61970 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com NICK :SirCmpwnTest < 1431296857 52525 :SirCmpwnTest!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com NICK :SirCmpwn < 1431297145 488887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is *((int *)((intptr_t)1234)) = 123; actually UB < 1431297157 256404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like it's only UB if that pointer isn't okay, which it might be < 1431297266 192230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thirds: have you been here before? kinda half-recognise your name < 1431297573 185797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :formerly known as twothirds < 1431297688 937234 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( There is no such nick nth ) < 1431297713 995700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there' nthern on the wiki iirc < 1431297717 312033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1431297809 981422 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1431297844 815521 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1431297845 41357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 102200Z 04014KT 15SM BKN023 OVC040 15/12 A3010 RMK SC6SC2 SLP194 < 1431298021 364628 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1431298079 445617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYULLO < 1431298105 399332 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get my local weather thing into an IRC bot... < 1431298120 502214 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can scrape http://weather.elec.york.ac.uk/liveOutput/vaisala/current.html to get it < 1431298444 688302 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjenva. < 1431298471 764745 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvellod. I had a bot. it was phagocyted by lambdabot. < 1431298511 325583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1431298511 744431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 102153Z 25006KT 10SM FEW010 SCT016 SCT200 15/08 A3006 RMK AO2 SLP179 T01500083 < 1431298518 286171 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing (slowly) a bot written in Agda < 1431298526 196421 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems to be the worst language to write a bot in < 1431298553 419674 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore it's the best language to write a bot in. < 1431298678 483092 :thirds!~blackbox@67.71.94.79 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1431298900 594310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :our channel fractionally diminished < 1431298923 240541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, they'll be back < 1431298926 525591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they already came back for seconds < 1431298999 179024 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, that is why I am writing a bot in it! < 1431299010 271077 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I don't think I'll do much work on it until exams are over < 1431299454 419147 :SirCmpwn!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com NICK :SirCmpwnTest < 1431299463 178055 :SirCmpwnTest!~sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com NICK :SirCmpwn < 1431299798 832039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaisala, that's a Finnish company. < 1431299851 852688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It should be "Väisälä", but...) < 1431299877 996790 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they have something to do with the weather station atop my uni's electronics department! < 1431299902 458048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they do measurement stuff. < 1431299903 151182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Should it? They seem to spell it with 'a's in English. < 1431299923 976366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, I mean, yes, it's "Vaisala" officially. A different sort of "should". < 1431299939 29250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's named after Vilho Väisälä. < 1431299943 237414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1431299947 61460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The founder.) < 1431299986 162962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At what point should you decide to transliterate? < 1431300006 801777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that ä is used in any English words. < 1431300008 920458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly as soon as you have global ambitions. < 1431300017 932793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tränsliteräte eärly, tränsliteräte öften < 1431300089 49995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :örj̈än < 1431300089 297824 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I think it might be in some loanwords from German? < 1431300101 109409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvd: Maybe a few lone words. < 1431300163 296812 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to like DiGiTAL WiNG on facebook < 1431300170 576226 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 people like this < 1431300185 363116 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flips table < 1431300320 295061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvd: Anyway, the page looks like something they really should publish in JSON or XML or ASN.1-BER or protobufs or... < 1431300460 567371 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know... < 1431300473 561744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have a fancy weather page at the radiolab's home page, but it seems to no longer exist. Although I don't think it was very open-data-friendly either. < 1431300510 545683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And admittedly the remaining http://outside.aalto.fi/ is even less scrapable. < 1431300530 948160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, http://outside.aalto.fi/data.txt < 1431300546 936040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I retract my complaint. Although they could actually link to that. < 1431300621 76760 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Velato14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42830&oldid=41716 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (-3) 10if we're going to have a "see also" section, makes sense to put Fugue there as well < 1431300682 94256 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends once caused an impressive bot loop in another channel < 1431300699 985767 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were two bots, one which printed the title of links posted, the other which could evaluate brainfuck < 1431300734 138858 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He spent about a day writing a brainfuck program which printed a URL, and making it short enough to not get cut off < 1431300768 937688 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then set the page at that URL's title to be the the command to make the bot execute that program < 1431300856 41662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google i don't see how that could possibly work < 1431300858 648394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?DoTheSimplestThingThatCouldPossiblyWork < 1431300858 795146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Do The Simplest Thing That Could Possibly Work < 1431300873 676444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn Title: prefix < 1431300890 401948 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://runciman.hacksoc.org/~lordaro/bf.html < 1431300911 954088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf http://runciman.hacksoc.org/~lordaro/bf.html < 1431300916 88996 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​............. < 1431300948 83403 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot can do a URL? < 1431300984 305553 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean, EgoBot can read the title of a page, unescape it, and execute it as though it were brainfuck? < 1431300986 874926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although apparently not unescape html entities < 1431300996 423111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1431301004 80239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reads the page source, obviously < 1431301027 456849 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++[>++++++<-]>[>++>++++>+++++<<<-]>>++++++++.++++++++++++..----.<++++++++++.-----------..>++.+++.-------.-----------.++++++.++++.------------.+++++++++++++.<-.>------.-------.++.++++++++.++++++++.----.------------.<.>++++++++++++.+++.-----------.<+.>>++++++.<+++++.+++.+++.--------------.---.+++++++++++++++++.---.<.>-------------.++++.<-.>++.++++++++++++.-------.-. < 1431301027 733935 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://runciman.hacksoc.org/~lordaro/bf.html