< 1430784439 542365 :spatterworthy!621cff0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.28.255.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430784441 548358 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist Tavros < 1430784442 233898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist Tavros: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1430785679 887066 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:IanO14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42788&oldid=25203 5* 03IanO 5* (+127) 10I <3 Forth! < 1430785773 313347 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HeartForth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42789&oldid=41911 5* 03IanO 5* (+19) 10I <3 Forth! (correct year, categorize) < 1430786002 700441 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HeartForth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42790&oldid=42789 5* 03IanO 5* (+48) 10 < 1430786414 251571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1430786441 329009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott! < 1430786453 311490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1430786470 296952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ostensibly, anyway < 1430786500 874843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality it's evilott, elliott's evil twin < 1430786510 687862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1430787327 976195 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1430787372 572449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Appointment tomorrow. You know, the drill. < 1430788273 604257 :scoofy!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1430788398 386496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1430789034 435225 :spatterworthy!621cff0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.28.255.13 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1430789832 85459 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tjtkkfzoskjkeedv JOIN :#esoteric < 1430793351 551616 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my knowledge of trees is inadequate < 1430793374 559147 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a cedar edible? < 1430793519 221899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't recommend trying to eat most parts of most trees < 1430793599 617153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you know a lot about pine trees hth < 1430793647 969574 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf:Well I know they aren't edible < 1430793732 55301 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, are they? I mean it would be *hard* to eat a pinecone, but I dunno if it would hurt you... < 1430793734 160834 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430793750 644406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1430793753 551782 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1430793766 85224 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can make like, pinecone soup < 1430794041 161242 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1430794055 175800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't pine nuts more straightforward < 1430794616 907564 :Froox!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1430794817 344058 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1430794925 988938 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1430796863 235225 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giant Otters look like trees running around the map < 1430800468 436254 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1430801023 889263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1430801029 437923 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430801305 383037 :password2!~password@197.77.39.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430803165 829005 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1430804132 632414 :password2!~password@197.77.39.49 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1430804882 57503 :Froox!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1430806846 249014 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430808033 795137 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430808230 840851 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.230 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1430808456 796481 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.230 NICK :AndoDaan < 1430809084 488678 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1430810417 853609 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1430810482 600950 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430810611 331863 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.230 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1430812285 520798 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430812293 153590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1430812307 523359 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1430814476 739734 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430814506 410005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1430814508 262508 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1430815083 610751 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just watched dbza and realized that it's not finished yet < 1430815089 934487 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could they do this to me < 1430815511 591280 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1430817016 521195 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1430819517 427821 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1430819968 929121 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Vriskanon14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42791&oldid=42655 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+16) 10/* Original Languages */ Added CalScript < 1430820184 481294 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1430820679 447086 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d JOIN :#esoteric < 1430821184 580310 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile... "there is no evidence neither that the emblem of the Red Cross was not formed by reversing the colours of the Swiss flag." < 1430821263 911451 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually not surprised at all about this "Social Experiment - Child Abduction" < 1430821366 62537 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430821777 948494 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you surprised about this "Social Experiment - Child Abduction"? < 1430821778 120498 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: robot, fnord) dogface rather than dogface_ pings the wrong client. < 1430821869 136791 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I think the only people on slist and this channel are me and you, and I'm using a different nick < 1430822311 259052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1430822316 888717 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430823161 318455 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1430823710 21378 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one is that, anyway? < 1430823734 817 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` head -n 1 bin/slist < 1430823734 629801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit < 1430823744 361 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? slist < 1430823744 711412 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update notification for the webcomic Homestuck. < 1430823747 734858 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1430823755 37744 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1430823788 621365 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it's a Taneb.. I didn't recognise the nick < 1430824133 893140 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, yeah, I switched to it recently < 1430824152 478798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you fungal? < 1430824152 776740 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/ node/ 29/ fnord, how come uncommenting the two lines with ellipses in the following september < 1430824197 859634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvd: are you like rms or like esr < 1430824315 492495 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd hope I'm more like nvd < 1430824342 11033 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as the v is part of my surname and not a middle initial < 1430824344 32281 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it didn't take me long to expand the initials < 1430824354 843876 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with esr it's harder because I don't know what the s stands for < 1430824361 46411 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto with rms and the m < 1430824377 802700 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the titlecase version is NvD? < 1430824431 896067 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered doing the initials thing at one point, but 'jcwh' doesn't really look that good to me < 1430824470 53565 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement, yeah < 1430824527 829393 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think part of why I didn't connect nvd immediately is the switch from titlecase to lowercase. For some reason people tend to stick to one or the other < 1430824594 604703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: in esr the s stands for S. < 1430824623 434455 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like Ulysses S Grant? < 1430824633 311700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, more like eric s. raymond < 1430824756 374358 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: FirelloFly. jcwh? < 1430824783 314830 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1430824788 181804 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine are only 'ab'. no middle names, not even the spectre of a letter. < 1430824788 528592 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that would be my initials in lowercase < 1430824795 433378 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(two middle names) < 1430824878 930608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your surname actually boily < 1430824887 206122 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. < 1430824898 889998 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1430824899 772221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if other family members want to use irc < 1430824904 820668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what nick do they use < 1430824932 277933 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily2 < 1430824943 397466 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if other elliotts want to use irc? < 1430824953 805009 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy, elliott is unique. < 1430824960 39340 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my initials are a5 < 1430824961 783938 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1430824970 154196 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, one of them singletons < 1430824994 632905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: then I will quit IRC for them < 1430825005 73983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not true) < 1430825014 642346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a long-standing rivalry with at least one other person who wants this nick. < 1430825084 83387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1430825123 349981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chose b_jonas because nobody else wants it. Some people use jonas (and I still own that nick in a few places), but these days I start with b_jonas or variations of it rightaway. < 1430825166 474626 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, if I'd use my first name as my nick I'd have to fight with b_jonas < 1430825200 48627 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... nicks should be obscure :) < 1430825208 318854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also with various misspellings, right? < 1430825236 959707 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.*) < 1430825237 992705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘.*’ < 1430825238 158420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1430825238 158501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘.’ (imported from Data.Function), < 1430825240 732513 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.:) < 1430825241 632492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘.:’ < 1430825241 797875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1430825241 797932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘.’ (imported from Data.Function), < 1430825247 722424 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I realised that after I had decided upon a nick.. this one tends to be taken unfortunately < 1430825261 644744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm? < 1430825265 935328 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got lucky with Freenode < 1430825274 499111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember there was an elliot or an eliot or something < 1430825355 925245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly both! < 1430825360 891566 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, there's an elliot on freenode < 1430825383 221500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember this channel frequently misspelled it back years ago < 1430825386 502079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're all used to it by now < 1430825404 426176 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I guess "Serenity" would've been about as popular... < 1430825405 875435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to get annoyed at people misspelling my name but now I am old and wise. < 1430825412 852024 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SAGITTAL CHICKEN < 1430825454 59414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the person who most commonly misspells my name is me (normally as ais532) < 1430825464 506351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I have to type it in, but everyone else can tab-complete < 1430825474 196877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably tab complete it to < 1430825478 30938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1430825486 140830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not when I'm doing /nick or the like < 1430825504 142048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same reason you can't tab-complete a mkdir or the target of a mv < 1430825507 708333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(both of which annoy me) < 1430825531 950856 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh(1) needs more DWIM < 1430825541 460783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit more disappointed that you can't tab-complete random hard-to-spell English words, which at least needs less mind-reading skills < 1430825557 154743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: sh(1) is mostly intended for batch use, I think < 1430825581 549895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: some clients do that < 1430825586 686848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are shells like bash(1) and zsh(1) for interactive use < 1430825588 784632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some operating systems do that, even < 1430825593 185132 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, fair < 1430825596 220142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab-complete hard-to-spell words? < 1430825596 948100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X does it with ctrl-esc < 1430825609 99782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, opt-esc < 1430825615 777949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1430825619 361027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also easy-to-spell ones < 1430825629 454051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easy-to-spell ones often have more options, though < 1430825630 456802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not tab < 1430825653 651305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't /have/ to be tab < 1430825663 167697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab's just convenient and traditional < 1430825683 817167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :opt-esc is neither < 1430825689 390701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is part of the reason why I never use that feature < 1430825752 305635 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1430825760 307619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's opt on a mac keyboard anyway? < 1430825770 142295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fn ctrl opt cmd < 1430825771 235432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually don't know the mac key X Bindings < 1430825771 847923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's alt. < 1430825774 727472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1430825779 137096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1430825781 36239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :opt = alt, ctrl = ctrl, cmd = super? < 1430825781 619507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, I misspell my name because I always try to type it _fast_ < 1430825782 443575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's windows < 1430825784 958873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd is where alt usually is < 1430825814 687786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :command is the general shortcut key, opt is the random grab bag of character input/modifiers/etc. stuff that alt is < 1430825825 945415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl is a modifier and used in terminals and some shortcuts < 1430825844 567435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd is in a nicer place for its function than where ctrl usually is on PC keyboards. < 1430825849 165153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually like the consistency of ctrl in OS X < 1430825859 458148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives you shellish-emacs bindings in everything < 1430825861 60951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I like being able to do the normal "ctrl+c" stuff in a terminal without giving up actual ctrl < 1430825864 892218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1430825874 922762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ^A/^E a bit < 1430825879 438054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it doesn't have ^U < 1430825881 834869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time I used a Mac, I gave up trying to figure out where home and end were < 1430825882 907517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what I use most often in irssi < 1430825892 735116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just went full Emacs < 1430825898 637863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cmd+left/right is probably what you want < 1430825904 790097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cmd+up/down < 1430825907 190412 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430825910 961441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for line vs. document < 1430825912 74636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did actually know that, I just suck at typing it < 1430825917 261607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1430825921 45969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is among the words I mistype very often. other words are image (I type imgae) and any word with -io- or -oi- in it (I type the other) < 1430825941 77634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pgup/pgdn are fn+left/right < 1430825947 776688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: to be fair, your name only makes sense in Hungarian < 1430825950 228804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. < 1430825961 143244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it doesn't make sense in Hungarian either < 1430825968 382457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fn hardly does anything on this laptop < 1430825969 594234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beats the "awkwardly jam the extra keys in somewhere" laptop paradigm < 1430826017 375650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives me media keys, volume controls, brightness control (all of that is useful) < 1430826029 152273 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1430826033 741263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Pause (which is sensible), and Insert (for some reason) < 1430826042 3845 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :This laptop has home/end/pgup/pgdn on fn+directional keys as well < 1430826049 308856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also took me a while to figure out where sysrq was < 1430826061 326214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out it's alt+prtsc, just like on a typical desktop keyboard < 1430826083 262638 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think mine actually has either of those :\ at least it isn't printed on the keyboard < 1430826084 187762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, probably I should upgrade Ubuntu, because they got rid of upstart in favour of systemd < 1430826095 577690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I originally didn't mind upstart < 1430826110 608889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but got furious when I tried to REISUB and found that upstart completely sabotages the intent of the E and the I < 1430826125 793863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1430826128 917134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's REISUB? < 1430826146 130927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean sysrq codes? < 1430826153 185776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: standard emergency reboot code on Linux, yep, sysrq-based < 1430826159 256694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does R do? < 1430826162 748668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people use different orders for the letters but that's the only one that makes sense to me < 1430826175 804492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :R forcibly resets the terminal settings for the current VT to sane defaults < 1430826179 640205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was SESISUSO < 1430826181 754555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it possible to see what you're doing, sometimes < 1430826184 655765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf systemd may not be your thing if you dislike things that sabotage the intent of traditional methods < 1430826194 862149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :systemd reminds me of NitroHack < 1430826204 542289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh < 1430826213 202192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this isn't intended as systemd flamebait.) < 1430826221 922161 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I heared people complain about systemd) < 1430826228 651989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1430826231 299947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really complaining. < 1430826240 105813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm willing to give it a chance < 1430826241 649704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe them < 1430826248 570594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my opinion on systemd is roughly "please calm down, everyone" < 1430826252 127285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :referring to systemd in the singular doesn't really make much sense given how many things it is < 1430826974 898788 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about systemd < 1430827024 248697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvd: I suspect most people who have strong opinions about it don't < 1430827028 374405 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know REISUB but I didn't know upstart doesn't do it right? < 1430827035 739673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: the problem is when you hit the E < 1430827052 881149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it terms all processes other than PID 1 (which is upstart in this case) < 1430827059 284749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then upstart busily tries to start them all again < 1430827065 846945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the same thing happens again on the I < 1430827106 971930 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it try to start them???? < 1430827133 541314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it thinks that's its job < 1430827210 758514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is < 1430827213 97649 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethey need to at least add a key to stop respawning... < 1430827222 151845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel isn't in charge of that. < 1430827249 161927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a reason the init system is involved in the shutdown proess < 1430827254 666520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's precisely things like that < 1430827271 271668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought it was because it made sense to place the code for starting things and stopping things in the same place < 1430827295 81893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some kind of cooperation when you have a service manager < 1430827305 4556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's just sending it a certain signal to tell it to stop respawning things < 1430827333 224758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are a bunch of potential solutions < 1430827342 707015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. PID 1 can be your zombie killer, and PID 2 can be your service respawner < 1430827349 629751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1430827371 976383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should just send the signal to process 1 too or whatever :P < 1430827392 569940 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking it should be two processes, but it's not the service respawner that I think should be split off. it's the runlevel changer. < 1430827409 195604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'd agree, except that "runlevel" isn't a concept that most of the init replacements like supporting < 1430827426 339618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like they support superset s of that concept I guess < 1430827444 564018 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, so it would change whatever concept it supports then. < 1430827470 971785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"changing runlevel" is just telling your service manager that you want it to keep a different set of services up < 1430827473 974446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the current one < 1430827492 285281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., "keep gdm up, rather than gettys" < 1430827515 481121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is pretty much fundamentally tied to the thing managing and (re)spawning the services < 1430827567 629993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe, but there's also a set of scripts it needs to run when the runlevel is changed < 1430827586 341056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no there isn't < 1430827601 853333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm following on from your reply to ais523) < 1430827635 817846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in systemd I guess you could have your graphical-desktop-thingy service depend on a one-shot service that runs some script and that would achieve the same thing. but again that'd be driven by the service manager. < 1430827643 809054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is not a systemd-specific thing, just an example.) < 1430827669 304923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"runlevel" is not really a terribly useful concept when you have more fine-grained service management. < 1430827680 878150 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, so those scripts are "one-shot services"? ok < 1430827687 157479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1430827690 368153 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does puppy linux use? < 1430827693 436234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a one-shot service is one that runs a script when you start it and then just sits there < 1430827709 358194 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, it can be more fine-grained than just runlevels < 1430827714 23884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement that concept in a system that deosn't support it by having it run a "daemon" that just does something and then sits there forever, I guess < 1430827717 251399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure the semantics are totally identical < 1430827728 495301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying that there is no distinct "runlevel/managed-services changer" < 1430827739 419043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's fundamentally just tellign the existing service manager to manage a different set of services < 1430827746 325486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also basically all you can tell a service manager to do < 1430827788 272375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whether that's accomplished by modifying the filesystem and then sending the service manager a signal, or using some fancier IPC or whatever, doesn't matter much) < 1430827817 808470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok < 1430827864 79241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can "shutdown" by, e.g. telling your service manager that the new set of services you want it to manage is {shutdown}, where shutdown is a service that just shuts down the computer when started.) < 1430827903 86026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so it'll cleanly stop all the running services, shutting dependencies down after the services that depend on them, and then turn the computer off.) < 1430827917 227184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for instance.) < 1430827932 321938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1430827948 812192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course you can also just tell it to manage the set {} and then do the shutdown yourself, assuming the process telling it to stop managing things arranges to survive past the mass shutdown.) < 1430827965 687205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think the traditional killall5/shutdown stuff does some tricks to handle that?) < 1430828005 927224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reasonable behaviour for a service manager when told to kill is to cleanly shut down all the services it manages and then quit, so indeed ais523's two-PID solution works fine there < 1430828027 80492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget, what signals can't you send to pid 1? < 1430828030 134404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe systemd uses something similar to the two-PID solution, but don't know the details < 1430828040 851129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can send any of them but some of them will cause a kernel panic... < 1430828045 905787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you can only signal PID 1 with a signal that it explicitly installed a signal handler for < 1430828049 988060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1430828077 696983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, just checked the man page to confirm < 1430828080 452426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically I think that it's sysrq in the wrong here, and it should just include PID , and then if everything else is written how I'd write it, it'd work out fine :P < 1430828083 463038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*PID 1, < 1430828094 681982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is it legal to install a handler for sigkill, even though it wouldn't run? < 1430828118 673658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there might be problems with a system with no init < 1430828129 456014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if there are no other processes either, maybe not? < 1430828145 244024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a minimal init impl for web of lies < 1430828158 268392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what as that in reply to? the line "I think there might be ..." < 1430828159 844352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1430828165 587256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1430828168 474379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1430828171 602133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the line mentioned in reply to < 1430828197 956965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was in reply to killing all the processes including PID 1 < 1430828214 170373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Linux actually has a PID 0 too, or at least used to, but that's an implementation detail) < 1430828265 545015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay yeah I guess the problem is that it'd exit < 1430828276 874242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, my objection to the two-pid sysem is just that it makes pstree uglier. < 1430828311 46584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have two separate trees, one for processes that started indirectly as a result of the boot process < 1430828317 809849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other being processes that started for other reasons < 1430828326 371811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with systemd technology, that might not be an empty set < 1430828363 32640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe systemd uses two pids. < 1430828373 803717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone gets upset at systemd putting so much stuff in PID 1 :P < 1430828455 476681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: from what I've seen that's misinformed, in that it puts most of that stuff in other single-digit PIDs instead < 1430828457 837917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well < 1430828466 428689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sort of flamewar is basically never well-informed :-( < 1430828471 574965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember my pstree always being two-deep when I ran systemd. < 1430828482 416685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there are auxiliary systemd-* things that run too though < 1430828488 623296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I could be wrong < 1430828498 236695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's my recollection < 1430828507 756482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps PID 1 does the process-starting < 1430828512 783467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other PIDs do other things < 1430828518 659001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1430828523 849158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't help for your REISUB scenario < 1430828536 221614 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1430828540 892580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed :-( < 1430828572 8521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect more flamewars if REISUB didn't work with systemd, but then... it not working with upstart sort of surprises me because ubuntu is kinda popular so I'd have expected to see complaints < 1430828643 616250 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... I appear to have both upstart and systemd. < 1430828658 727452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto according to man pages < 1430828662 255672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can't both be init < 1430828676 744827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu has pulled in some parts of systemd for a long while now I think < 1430828684 513983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because stuff depends on those parts < 1430828698 215914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, I guess they used a fork of logind? < 1430828705 367196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what it'd be installed for. < 1430828709 183881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, oren, don't you use arch? < 1430828714 202169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :upstart on arch is very weird < 1430828752 649937 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using an xubuntu system with a ton of stuff I don't need removed < 1430828765 183463 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1430828767 933664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that must be why your system is so reliable < 1430828775 585112 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1430828821 818465 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the software is pretty reliable... the problem is that my hardware is total crap < 1430828890 135810 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah for example I removed everything to do with compositing, and k-anything, and most of the g-things < 1430828919 643819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compositing is about more than wibbly shadow effects, y'know < 1430829034 664210 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it also allows transpoarent terminals. but that is done on my client anyway < 1430829087 2581 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My monitor stopped working, so I'm using a 1GB machine as a client to talk to it < 1430829093 113377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more than that too < 1430829102 681711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compositing has benefits entirely unrelated to eyecandy < 1430829147 557107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tears/flickers less and should be just generally smoother/faster < 1430829239 862755 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll keep that in mind. I'm looking at a $800-1000 range for my new laptop < 1430829273 686938 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully with that I can run DF and firefox and skype at the same time < 1430829323 175649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compositing is basically just "hardware-accelerated window management" < 1430829338 7943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that that's also what lets you do the fancier stuff < 1430829363 752087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though it will suck if you have really bad graphics drivers of course) < 1430829516 183647 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now this is annoying. doesn't anyone sell laptops that weigh more than 30 grams anymore?!! < 1430829592 261626 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1430829621 418386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one's almost certainly more than 30g < 1430829642 670168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to get a powerful one rather than a lightweight one, although note that I have a pretty underwhelming definition of "powerful" < 1430829642 836257 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm looks like dells are still sturdy < 1430829654 660732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was mostly just "I want another core", but I couldn't buy a laptop with less than four :-( < 1430829762 843896 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: "hopefully with that I can run DF and firefox and skype at the same time" -- nah, that won't work. firefox (and webpages) and skype are both such things that are always slow, no matter fast your hardware is. people just add more resource-intensive stuff to them if they run fast enough. < 1430829774 159354 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears in order to get a sturdy laptop from best buy,you have to spend _less_ < 1430829789 121548 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? 30 grams? that's riddiculously light < 1430829804 423323 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was hyperbole < 1430829820 618135 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want some heft < 1430829832 164436 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1430829844 346124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DF is also always slow < 1430829877 59718 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play DF so I can't comment on that one. < 1430829884 390952 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how many dwarfs do you have? < 1430829899 16475 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d JOIN :#esoteric < 1430830104 253061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvd: I don't play it < 1430831162 663470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1430831169 954919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430831307 62921 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 3 left after my latest scheme involving zompies went wrong < 1430831611 921097 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1430832755 615349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :question. if a programming language has infix operators with precedence syntax similar to C (C and perl are examples), and you want to add infix min and max operators, what precedence should those operators have? < 1430832780 833544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: zombies? wasn't it were-elephants? < 1430832786 385629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that someone else? < 1430832795 827780 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that is a good question < 1430832805 50259 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1430832807 356816 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1430832835 932133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like a + b min c should be a + (b min c), but have no particular justification for that. < 1430832839 431553 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: probably just above >,< and >=, <=? < 1430832892 268007 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: weird, I intuitively felt the opposite < 1430832902 256397 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you mean so that you could use them as boolean logic? dunno, that would seem strange to me, though I can't definitely say it's wrong < 1430832915 388588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it may be Haskell bias. or, wait, how does a + b `min` c actually parse? < 1430832917 840525 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1430832926 645433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :min is and, max is or < 1430832927 376098 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean _above_ comparisons < 1430832928 380501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1430832929 460670 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1430832935 344716 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1430832939 38851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so clearly use && and || as the operators < 1430832946 209599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 && 7 = 2 < 1430832946 839007 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1430832949 451481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 || 7 = 7 < 1430832958 920393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so below the shifts? yes, that might make sense < 1430832983 395825 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I.. kinda like that < 1430833005 635183 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking higher precedence perhaps between multiplication and addition, or even above multiplication, I dunno < 1430833007 83348 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 + 5 min 3 * 3 < 5 max 6 should parse as ((5+5) min (3*3)) < (5 max 6) < 1430833008 738422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: me too. I like it about as much as I hate it < 1430833013 398697 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no particular justification for that. < 1430833030 358980 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that wouldn't work, 2 && 7 already has two meanings, we can't add a third < 1430833037 19213 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one in C and one in perl) < 1430833039 942362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it just has to case on type! < 1430833043 239726 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having min/max in-between the arithmetic operators would feel very weird to me < 1430833063 588728 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the perl semantics for (&&)? < 1430833065 106894 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :min/max for booleans would be fun too < 1430833069 617522 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, but it already has a defined meaning for two ints < 1430833077 193272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :min is just and and max is just or < 1430833089 749853 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: in perl, (2 && 7) results in 7 < 1430833098 21149 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: in C, it results in 1 < 1430833121 303611 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1430833130 577588 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1430833133 579611 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 is true in perl < 1430833133 744958 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so the same semantics as in JS I guess < 1430833141 723381 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, truthy < 1430833152 587530 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1430833156 743366 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect python might return 7 too < 1430833167 172175 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1430833178 88123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually python returns SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1430833183 654270 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :use "and" < 1430833195 359038 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :&& is "and" in Python < 1430833208 269254 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In JavaScript || is relatively often (in)famously used to fall back on null to a default value < 1430833243 51033 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl or die. < 1430833607 699426 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting, I didn't know there's a conference on Go: http://pasky.or.cz/iggsc2015/cfp.html < 1430833686 823080 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm also not sure what spelling those operators could use in C and C++) < 1430833870 519813 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1430833898 693607 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any reasonable ASCIIfication of the usual min/max syntax < 1430833904 98759 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1430833906 370976 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :disregard that < 1430833969 164439 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: /\ and \/ are the usual asciifications < 1430834019 794872 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1430834020 53959 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\ is a bit dangerous because it can conflict with existing syntax < 1430834049 611365 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`multicode maxim < 1430834052 162529 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1D1B6 MUSICAL SYMBOL MAXIMA \ UTF-8: f0 9d 86 b6 UTF-16BE: d834ddb6 Decimal: 𝆶 \ 𝆶 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1430834055 115775 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C? Or in C-derived languages in general? < 1430834060 88688 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`multicode minim < 1430834061 92266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1D1BB MUSICAL SYMBOL MINIMA \ UTF-8: f0 9d 86 bb UTF-16BE: d834ddbb Decimal: 𝆹𝅥 \ 𝆹𝅥 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ Decomposition: 1D1B9 1D165 \ \ U+1D1BC MUSICAL SYMBOL MINIMA BLACK \ UTF-8: f0 9d 86 bc UTF-16BE: d834ddbc Decimal: 𝆺𝅥 \ 𝆺𝅥 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1430834071 840184 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`multicode minimu < 1430834072 741717 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1430834082 45381 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: in C and C++ specifically < 1430834120 438261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/ is safe but only because the backslash character is barely used for anything < 1430834138 257481 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What /is/ it used for, outside of string literals? < 1430834155 388467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite hard to invent a reasonable digraph for C and C++ that doesn't conflict with _some_ existing syntax actually < 1430834176 914087 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: line joining, and these days as an escape for extended identifiers too < 1430834195 222127 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess /*"*/\x20" would be anoter conflicting case < 1430834204 978830 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait hm, that's not right < 1430834234 721495 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :another* < 1430834253 109596 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also can be part of include filenames, for crazy windows people) < 1430834260 9115 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ isn't used a whole lot in C < 1430834285 444847 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it used in C++? < 1430834300 908974 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1430834312 827767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, @ and ` are unused < 1430834321 781500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is exactly why people are reluctant to give it meanings < 1430834338 449427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're useful as escapes outside C or C++ because they're not used in C or C++ < 1430834352 25014 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense < 1430834389 385791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like ^| might work but it's a bit ugly < 1430834452 420566 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use >| and <| or something like that < 1430834474 276128 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ><, <> < 1430834481 709542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: no, >| conflicts with C++ syntax < 1430834497 105987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1430834514 964735 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the > can be the closing delimiter of the template parameters of a variable template < 1430834515 409364 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :>< and <> would be annoying.. I'm not sure which would mean what, and <> is sometimes used to mean "different from" < 1430834519 516809 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> is an empty template list < 1430834531 625769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :>< also wouldn't work, for the same reason < 1430834538 329828 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I thought you said C < 1430834539 484539 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :<| might work... hmm < 1430834545 357312 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of using < and > to allude to "less of" and "greater of" < 1430834547 659787 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I would like one that works in both C and C++ < 1430834566 16922 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse C++. < 1430834569 429276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not necessarily in perl or ruby or javascript or java or c-sharp or all the other languages copying their syntax partially < 1430834572 680023 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's the idea behind J's <. >. as well < 1430834611 148290 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in addition to APL using the floor/ceil operators for min/max, and thus J doing that too) < 1430834627 382972 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, would => and =< work? < 1430834713 417048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, I think those conflict too < 1430834890 6608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically anything involving angle brackets can conflict with template syntax < 1430834934 356630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, let's use (| and (, that would confuse everyone! < 1430834949 700315 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe (^ and (, < 1430834961 33603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^ for the ceiling sign and (, for the floor sign < 1430835029 31758 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1430835076 230560 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do ceiling and floor have any link to max and min? < 1430835229 430310 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :max(a, ceiling(a)) = ceiling(a) < 1430835321 234517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes, the link is that they have the same notation in traditional APL < 1430835333 423411 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the left floor and left ceil bracket respectively) < 1430835353 339081 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but that doesn't really count < 1430835387 911228 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no < 1430836301 225751 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't we use └ and ┌ < 1430836456 920447 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because we might as well use APL then . < 1430836489 391246 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm sure sounds worse than it actually is. < 1430836490 844638 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except those chars are much more commonly supported than the apl symbols < 1430836510 304425 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the box drawing lines < 1430836536 11174 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :supported by e.g. common terminal fonts < 1430836607 436554 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. I already used the APL argument. I can't take that back now. < 1430836667 110959 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My objections to APL are unrelated to its weird symbols < 1430836719 665142 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Godwin's Law. < 1430836724 678523 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for programming languages and with APL. < 1430836733 465517 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point somebody will mention APL. < 1430836742 874318 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main problem is that the weird symbols are composed with overstrike < 1430836838 703091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so INTERCAL isn't unique at that? < 1430836843 161071 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? APL < 1430836843 851883 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1430836852 224191 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1430836975 705639 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn APL stands for Algorithmic Language < 1430836978 768134 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'apl': APL stands for Algorithmic Language < 1430837007 826546 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1430837015 722516 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wrong < 1430837023 475937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn APL stands for Algorithmic Programming Language. < 1430837026 61715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'apl': APL stands for Algorithmic Programming Language. < 1430837043 851632 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ALGOL < 1430837044 515278 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALGOL? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1430837047 474600 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Austrian Potato League < 1430837062 617207 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn ALGOL stands for A Programming Language < 1430837064 504600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'algol': ALGOL stands for A Programming Language < 1430837171 904421 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algol 68 should have 68 reserved words < 1430837173 317557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just 61 < 1430837277 436191 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are too many damn programming languages < 1430837299 253043 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more research should be put into Language interoperability < 1430837336 836396 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be some kind of standard way of doing that < 1430837348 88151 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Theriel 5* 10New user account < 1430837721 930106 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frege < 1430837744 6952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That time could have been better spent by having a jvm bytecode backend for ghc < 1430838406 957317 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.230 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1430839927 412959 :mihow!~mihow@ppp141255026086.access.hol.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1430840277 835418 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430840754 420610 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1430841056 128329 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algol is like, every programming langugae < 1430841601 590889 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tjtkkfzoskjkeedv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1430842356 891242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1430842575 837006 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1430843891 482892 :mihow!~mihow@ppp141255026086.access.hol.gr QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1430844067 206308 :mihow!~mihow@ppp141255026086.access.hol.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1430845075 63236 :mihow!~mihow@ppp141255026086.access.hol.gr QUIT :Quit: mihow < 1430845363 813478 :mihow!~mihow@ppp141255026086.access.hol.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1430845385 166060 :mihow!~mihow@ppp141255026086.access.hol.gr QUIT :Client Quit < 1430845409 914908 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Clue (Keymaker)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42792&oldid=37836 5* 03Theriel 5* (+2757) 10/* Probabilistic musings */ < 1430845742 964882 :spatterworthy!187bcd2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.123.205.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430846581 236394 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1430846614 679619 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1430847331 823164 :password2!~password@197.77.70.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430847360 34911 :password2!~password@197.77.70.65 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1430847505 581114 :password2!~password@197.77.70.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430847528 898551 :password2!~password@197.77.70.65 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1430847796 471441 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.230 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1430847931 205683 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: isn't the standard way of doing language interopability called C? < 1430847960 452489 :spatterworthy!187bcd2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.123.205.45 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1430847965 944512 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1430848781 535993 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-67.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1430848819 537821 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-67.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1430848819 717922 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1430849078 419162 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1430849518 249630 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.93.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430851832 635849 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1430852541 471205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1430854064 48723 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1430854165 773152 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1430854628 813560 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline NICK :ayylmao < 1430855685 847977 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430856356 532571 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias JOIN :#esoteric < 1430856543 13616 :APic!~apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1430858426 414890 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C65E.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1430858820 608732 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help, I am vaguely tempted to vote for a minor party in the election on Thursday < 1430858935 446642 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like anyone's vote makes a difference < 1430859035 363118 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, I'm actually three thousand two hundred and nineteen people < 1430859108 119341 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, that sounds like a severe split personality disorder case < 1430859111 881624 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well in that case... < 1430859126 697880 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvd: http://www.threehundredeight.com/p/alberta.html < 1430859159 91749 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I am not sure how that is relevant, I am in York < 1430859175 657518 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvd: you can watch this trainwreck election and forget about yours for a while! < 1430859204 667913 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I found out this evening that I'm actually in a different constituency to the one I thought I was in < 1430859254 680799 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should rename York to Old York < 1430859320 627375 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Especially what with North York and Yorkdale confusing matters < 1430859334 892931 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, we're making a new Haskell compiler because YHC sort of stopped < 1430859343 900359 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're calling it the New York Haskell Compiler < 1430859356 244295 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent < 1430859360 71090 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(both are in toronto, previously known as York) < 1430859430 598925 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My vote in particular is worthless because they put me in a gigantic riding < 1430859756 836168 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1430860754 9094 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C65E.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1430860780 265856 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1430860796 936023 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1430860920 913633 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1430861135 821407 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1430862798 608031 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkill -9 firefox < 1430862802 248573 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SH*IT < 1430862831 836453 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1430863055 245826 :ornn!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1430863224 469086 :ornn!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :would nicing firefox make it so that other programs (like my window manager) get higher access to memory as well as cpu? < 1430863345 348237 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1430863363 169218 :ornn!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511869.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. I guess whichever process has more time on cpu can put out more page faults to increase its resident set < 1430863656 857071 :APic!~apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1430864705 870952 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.93.119 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone. < 1430864781 273431 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1430864843 786314 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430864856 485136 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1430864934 174865 :tromp___!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1430864952 418313 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1430864961 262391 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1430864975 145678 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1430864975 311069 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1430864975 476738 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1430864976 54169 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1430865035 772455 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1430865044 152468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1430865492 637452 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.93.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430866602 131451 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1430866602 511332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 052200Z 25014G23KT 30SM FEW065 BKN210 20/M03 A3018 RMK CU1CI6 CU TR SLP220 DENSITY ALT 400FT < 1430866606 131769 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1430866606 460729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 052250Z 06008KT 030V090 9999 -DZ FEW040 BKN090 10/06 Q0997 RMK WIND 670FT 13012G23KT < 1430866620 496220 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. the difference is diminishing. < 1430866680 826225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we actually had a heat wave today. don't worry, it's supposed to pass. < 1430866716 721039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the best @metar for berkeley, ca twh < 1430866726 72998 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1430866777 238541 :hilquias!~user@unaffiliated/hilquias QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1430866868 190476 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wunderground recommends KOAK. < 1430866871 437054 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1430866871 652669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 052253Z 26012KT 10SM FEW017 SCT200 16/08 A2993 RMK AO2 SLP136 T01610078 < 1430866894 237579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSJC < 1430866894 463528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSJC 052253Z 32014KT 10SM FEW018 SCT200 19/08 A2991 RMK AO2 SLP128 T01890078 < 1430866904 743669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've moved to the cold climates of the north < 1430866916 330835 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.93.119 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1430866923 732470 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.93.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430866934 772801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: everyone knows writing software is the path to maximal fame hth < 1430866971 18395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may not be maximizing that function hth < 1430867001 573983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :berkeley berkeley KOAK KOAK < 1430867036 615571 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: over here it was all foggy during the day < 1430867038 225988 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is tempted to mapole some sanity into oerjan, but rescinds
< 1430867050 261670 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not particularily warm, I think < 1430867310 707119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you have a scientific study to prove mapoling adjusts sanity in the correct direction twh < 1430867373 427034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps oerjan will require a hungusprod hth < 1430867384 314419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1430867401 581724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lparchive.org/Zork-Grand-Inquisitor/Update%2017/ < 1430867409 999401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, it's not the same < 1430867437 243830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FiRhbWP7To#t=6m57s < 1430867439 682235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1430867520 869189 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: empirical evidence supports mapoling hth < 1430867637 558429 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do /you/ have any evidence supporting swatting? < 1430867716 251037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not making claims of health benefits from swatting < 1430867734 474604 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair point < 1430868314 785141 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.93.119 QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it < 1430868642 325131 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric < 1430869178 976110 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.93.119 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430869341 857542 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1430870225 571084 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't all evidence (or lack thereof) always support swatting? < 1430870271 999555 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think mapoling is isomorphic to swatting