< 1427847105 241660 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail. The lecture slides for my course, I just realized their mtime is in 2006, indicating this guy has been giving the same lectures with the same material for 9 years.
< 1427847176 443616 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly wonders if he makes new tests...
< 1427847198 960846 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. which course?
< 1427847285 107006 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowledge Representation and Reasoning, i.e. the out-of-fashion kind of AI
< 1427847341 314367 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lucky!
< 1427847344 769780 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427847498 191383 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fibpuostpherxgal QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1427848473 953337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it's out-of-fashion...
< 1427848519 531656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the AIs are just keeping it out of fashion to prevent competition hth
< 1427848525 647913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a digital cable box (I don't need it, but someone else here uses it); I figured out how to access the diagnostics menu, user setting menu, and in the review configuration menu pushing the FAV button displays many additional screens of information; I don't know what all of them mean, but on some screens pushing A allows entering a command with the numbers, the GuideNet screen lists them.
< 1427848538 638950 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good point. perhaps not much work has been done beyond what is in the text. everyone and their mother is doing neural networks now
< 1427848541 227116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some screens display IP addresses. Unfortunately I don't know what any of that is or how to use any of it
< 1427848623 50623 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you write a GUI in VB to track them?
< 1427848638 6603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats boily -----###
< 1427848649 477040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(evenoily)
< 1427848670 381698 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :muah ah ah :D
< 1427848684 295720 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(evoerjaning.)
< 1427848687 418439 :Lymee!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427848696 531073 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymello!
< 1427848712 657758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boillo
< 1427848806 744110 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellchellof!
< 1427848825 302110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what GuideNet means or what the IP address and other information under "interactive status" means either; Wikipedia has no information. I was able to look up DOCSIS and MoCA on Wikipedia though.
< 1427848864 201045 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1427848910 178717 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you put the ip into browser?
< 1427848953 850437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried connecting using netcat to various port numbers and found nothing.
< 1427848991 127963 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you feel courageous enough to nmap the fungot out of those IPs?
< 1427848991 760348 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: they make a movie out of " disk" space...) stuff. i just think you're an abomination" :)
< 1427848997 801997 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: eille!
< 1427848998 165943 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: discordianism is almost not a joke really, because the first
< 1427849010 946870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have nmap though
< 1427849047 816984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them seems to be a LAN address; even though my internet is on the same cable as the television, I cannot connect to it.
< 1427849060 568850 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird.
< 1427849092 592156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't try UDP though; I don't know if maybe that's what I need.
< 1427849109 484443 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: on a completely off-topic subject, you know I still have PHHHMHSD?
< 1427849137 496498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> <_<
< 1427849138 564935 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Post Hej Hej Hemst Micket (sorry for the orthograph) Hej Syndrome Disorder)
< 1427849146 925437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1427849201 992573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend exposure therapy hth
< 1427849304 89304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that means though
< 1427849309 436835 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_%28photography%29 ?!
< 1427849322 76658 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you do well. continue not knowing. it's good for you.
< 1427849345 296867 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. I hope.
< 1427849350 773843 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hezzo38!)
< 1427849389 319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :portmantello
< 1427849431 11495 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend crazy frog therapy
< 1427849475 131568 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the rick-roll-I-get-knocked-down mashup.
< 1427849493 224873 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ribitt ribitt
< 1427849549 831862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I figured out the .XI so I am fixing AmigaMML to support loading .XI instruments when in Extended mode (you can't use .XI in Amiga mode though).
< 1427849616 578910 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: mods, trackers, chiptunes and generic 8-bit music and stuff like that?
< 1427849643 795504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know what you are asking; can you please be more specific?
< 1427849711 726991 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I'm drawing a phantomatic blank here... I have this feeling I'm forgetting a word, but I'm not sure.
< 1427849736 290037 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are doing stuff that has to do with playing music through an Amiga emulator?
< 1427849746 866695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1427849749 239972 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1427849758 1128 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an .xi then?
< 1427849772 793635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than being able to output in .MOD format, it hasn't anything to do with Amiga.
< 1427849796 248112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is the word amortized hth
< 1427849797 97202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A .xi is a instrument file for Fasttracker. AmigaMML has two modes, Amiga mode (which is the original mode), and Extended mode.
< 1427849818 403152 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no. tdnh, bio.
< 1427849832 56961 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: aaaaaaaaaaaah. ic.
< 1427849864 841553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :biowat
< 1427849867 920432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AmigaMML is a program that you can write music and then compile into .MOD and .XM files.
< 1427849902 63634 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that did not help, but it's okay hth
< 1427849913 520589 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: neat.
< 1427849920 285421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh thx hand
< 1427849978 690377 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that stand for music markup language or music macro language?
< 1427849987 54536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Music macro language
< 1427849988 475701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hand
< 1427850003 751219 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go HackEgo go! go HackEgo go!
< 1427850012 670697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it!
< 1427850013 206612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hand? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1427850034 189081 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, I wasn't sure a quick search for AmigaMML dind't bring up much.
< 1427850053 51373 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also also both of those languages exist, being cofusingly similarly named.
< 1427850055 683684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird hth
< 1427850059 434025 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'hand': A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird hth
< 1427850087 551782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is the Redmine page for AmigaMML: https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/amigamml
< 1427850088 156567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo s/ hth$/./
< 1427850104 76512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case it helps you at all.
< 1427850110 758253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird.
< 1427850114 383549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'hand': A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird.
< 1427850120 603729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthyaa
< 1427850126 903576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also what's with the drugz jokez lately
< 1427850142 160463 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you just pluralise y'all?
< 1427850158 750631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all y'all need to stop doing that
< 1427850162 319087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plural of "y'all" is "all y'all" hth
< 1427850173 303671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps you at all
< 1427850181 483908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't "y'all" already plural?
< 1427850196 99197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not when addressing one person hth
< 1427850220 244186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you know of the euphemism threadmill?  in english, second person pronouns have a plurality threadmill
< 1427850225 676326 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does, I'll check this out.
< 1427850235 145418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: all of you are correct :P
< 1427850276 666702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Yes I know, MML can refer to both, but in this case it is music macro language. There are other programs to do music macro language too, such as SakuraMML, ppMCK, CsoundMML, and probably others I don't know about.
< 1427850277 198514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably started as part of the euphemism threadmill, anyway
< 1427850283 92087 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To my mind, the "you" may be singular, the phrase isn't.)
< 1427850314 290705 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how a threadmill works.
< 1427850327 538161 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mills threads. next!
< 1427850330 835132 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know it was made for Windows, or that you made it. I am pleasantly surprised on both counts.
< 1427850338 899381 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e it makes nylon thread hth
< 1427850345 446876 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you put threads in and grind them, or is it cleverly arranged such that threads come out?
< 1427850367 810075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way the mill cpu implements fork() will be revealed soon
< 1427850384 155188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Well, it isn't only Windows; it should be possible to compile AmigaMML for other systems too, if you have a C compiler. I don't actually know if it will actually run on a Amiga computer though.
< 1427850384 811101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would also make an excellent name for a scheduler.
< 1427850400 932492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :next weekend in amsterdam
< 1427850435 674937 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was more worried it wouldn't run on anything but Amiga. Or Linux, since Linux was in the url.
< 1427850441 43591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a spaghetti machine a threadmill?
< 1427850446 419581 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it turns out that isn't the case.
< 1427850473 414848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly regrets not spelling it spagetti
< 1427850488 945032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which btw is the correct norwegian spelling.)
< 1427850513 330811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a good pun for all the norwegian speakers in this channel
< 1427850529 945718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux Assist is just the Redmine server for FOSS projects; it isn't only for programs specific to Linux.
< 1427850675 947705 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I would have pronounces that as /spædʒetī/
< 1427850757 1631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not norwegian hth
< 1427850785 30978 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the correct pronounciation for that spelling if it were italian
< 1427850802 859882 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(up to my knowlege of italian)
< 1427850812 363628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we don't have /dʒ/ except in loanwords)
< 1427850853 623696 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qvzwmozywvcrsqnl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427850862 168453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the bar over the i
< 1427850883 923332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the dot over the ı
< 1427850897 933680 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot in IPA long vowels are supposed to have : not overbar
< 1427850929 281258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the i suffix is long?
< 1427850933 568209 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/spega:tsi/ :D
< 1427850939 8180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you learn something every day
< 1427850956 708110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the i suffix long
< 1427850963 962601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what language is that twh
< 1427850976 171929 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s?!
< 1427850977 740451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilese
< 1427850999 382997 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know, but the one in spaghetti is when I hear italians say it...
< 1427851022 314956 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I live in Little Italy in Toronto)
< 1427851053 819352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i boilognese
< 1427851066 33619 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a parody of low-class country bums in then Eastern Townships.
< 1427851070 329693 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/then/the/
< 1427851083 217765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1427851125 488176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperloglog is p. nifty
< 1427851164 843936 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: boilognese. he he he! I'll remember that one.
< 1427851179 592992 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. nifty? is that the name of a rapper?
< 1427851245 454434 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427851290 169525 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo, ma name's p. nifty, an' i'm pretty shifty, watch me spit these riffs like a tokyo drift king.
< 1427851462 161157 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Tokyo drifters known to spit riffs?
< 1427851482 309200 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do drifters drift? I suppose not.)
< 1427851559 298168 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, but it makes about as much sense as many real reaps I've heard...
< 1427851566 432088 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ea/a
< 1427851586 125309 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit s/har/hear
< 1427851634 620050 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: does an otter ott?
< 1427851647 40388 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ral rapper
< 1427851678 295479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: they ott to
< 1427851708 68968 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm the oldest woman in the world died again
< 1427851838 731436 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow it isn't in the English news yet
< 1427851935 375156 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder how long it takes for a typical story to reach English-speaking news channels, and whether it depends on the language zone that the story comes from 
< 1427851935 517008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION badges boily
< 1427851965 520825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is a badger?
< 1427851987 614883 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sings “mushroom mushroom ♪”
< 1427851999 22447 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn neat me to it
< 1427852005 279638 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/neat/beat
< 1427852012 64679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oren> Hmm the oldest woman in the world died again <-- this keeps happening, they should do something to stop it hth
< 1427852040 319429 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case it was ookawa misao, 117.
< 1427852049 604159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not necessarily.
< 1427852058 895564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tdnh
< 1427852065 204310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :RIP Ookawa Misao | I'm a fungot trapped in a channel full of weirdos | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1427852127 277670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a cable box at least allow me to know what show is on at 3AM and stuff like that, because the TV guide doesn't list shows at that time. But when I watch television I use the VCR in the basement instead.
< 1427852134 996469 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the question is when will it reach Google news search? 
< 1427852150 946960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I also like to learn how the diagnostics and stuff in the cable box is working anyways.
< 1427852187 962591 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'll be at my parents' this weekend. remind me to hack their cable box then ^^
< 1427852194 201556 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, 'night all!
< 1427852198 960497 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PREMOLAR CHICKEN
< 1427852202 260096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be unconfirmed hth
< 1427852203 103816 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :On this strange day... http://news.asiantown.net/r/47594/mexican-woman-dies-at
< 1427852224 233031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I don't know how to hack it, but I can tell what some of the undocumented functions are at least; that can still help
< 1427852259 92577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("oldest person on earth" must be one of the most unreliable (and short-lived...) attributions)
< 1427852261 922321 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been noticing a significant delay between NHK and the anglospheric news when anything happens in Japan. 
< 1427852287 827045 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you in Japan these days?
< 1427852311 820352 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, presumably. It's possible but unlikely you're watching NHK outside of Japan.
< 1427852319 566728 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but reading NHK online is good practice
< 1427852328 522223 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Fair enough.
< 1427852379 327966 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, I knew about the deal with Nintendo and DeNA five hours before it reached Google News
< 1427852381 21863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not at Japan but do want to order something; I bought a Famicom at a store locally and then I asked them next time if they can get the keyboard too so that I can buy from them, but they have not done.
< 1427852402 143902 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That keyboard is pretty rare, isn't it?
< 1427852402 195746 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wikipedia half-knows... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misao_Okawa (lists date of death, but has not otherwise been updated)
< 1427852414 244538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how rare it is.
< 1427852436 429233 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it is relative to the Famicom. :)
< 1427852495 510095 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but there are a ton of fake famicoms on the market
< 1427852515 650950 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but not really any that are trying to pass themselves off as real ones.
< 1427852522 657595 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1427852525 963914 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427852550 505585 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia now says "was"
< 1427852563 574340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :RIP Misao Okawa | I'm a fungot trapped in a channel full of weirdos | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1427852601 76617 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, if you consider Famiclones the damned things might be the single most common computing device on the planet.
< 1427852645 818923 :LordCreepity!~John@cpe-74-131-38-41.swo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427852655 558715 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 - the perfect eternal processor
< 1427852685 814247 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically they use a modified version)
< 1427852710 938666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famicom uses 6502 with a few traces cut off so that decimal mode won't work.
< 1427852724 446574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, all other functions of NMOS 6502 including unofficial functions still work.
< 1427852744 692621 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they had decimal mode on there?
< 1427852758 629329 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I coulda sworn the only modification was sticking some sound hardware on the die.
< 1427852781 223946 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, it is lacking.
< 1427852782 175287 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they removed the decimal mode to make room of something
< 1427852783 879035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decimal mode doesn't do anything on Famicom; you can turn it on and off but it doesn't affect operation of arithmetic.
< 1427852783 879738 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1427852800 725044 :LordCreepity!~John@cpe-74-131-38-41.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone in here ever taken a look at the instruction set of the EDSAC?
< 1427852810 854926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: No, all they did is cut a few traces so that decimal mode doesn't work. Other than that it actually is a 6502.
< 1427852814 376184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in 2-3 years there may not be anyone left alive born in the 19th century
< 1427852821 150910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use the same mask.
< 1427852869 310173 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yep, they literally removed 5 transistors in the mask.
< 1427852875 759674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :115 years old seems a particularly dangerous age
< 1427852903 728416 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Aaaah!*
< 1427852917 848094 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427852926 827416 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a patent on the decimal mode that Nintendo did not want to license.
< 1427852929 392146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well 9 "confirmed" people left... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_living_supercentenarians
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< 1427852975 637968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I said Θ(f) ≤ Θ(g), would people understand what I mean?
< 1427852986 279937 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was recently like o_O upon seeing a pamphlet for a piano recital my grandmother gave in 1944
< 1427853033 692525 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if that is big theta notation yes. if that is an emoticon then no.
< 1427853059 620902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is big theta notation.
< 1427853069 762546 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you look at the die shot you can see that it is literally a 6502's mask with apparently those transistors missing, and some sound hardware. That is really interesting.
< 1427853073 388254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a non-standard use of it.
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< 1427853109 556066 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you could just write f \in O(g) ...
< 1427853119 121426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f = O(g), but I dislike that notation)
< 1427853132 416247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, but then I have to remember what o/O/Θ/Ω/ω mean.
< 1427853146 174549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ridiculous. Why invent a new letter for each of those things?
< 1427853157 267630 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to do that anyway, at least the three capital things.
< 1427853162 431893 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :big theta means a bound above and below right?
< 1427853171 892745 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: right
< 1427853183 429366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much easier to remember what </≤/=/≥/> mean.
< 1427853202 275626 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not really, when it applies to sets.
< 1427853204 796796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I use those all the time. Why should this particular preorder get special symbols?
< 1427853252 786292 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O above, Omega below, Th both
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< 1427853265 552721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/ω are useful too.
< 1427853274 529611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I would go as far as calling Θ(f) ≤ Θ(g) *wrong*, because the standard definition A <= B is a <= b for all a in A and b in B.
< 1427853284 464466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1427853293 500607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That definition isn't very standard.
< 1427853308 412233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I can't remember ever seeing it.
< 1427853331 770910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want I can use a different symbol instead of Θ. The point is that I'm putting this partial order on the equivalence classes.
< 1427853332 81714 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the standard way of extending relations to sets, if there is any standard way at all.
< 1427853344 891166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I would agree more with O(f) \subseteq O(g).
< 1427853374 22569 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1427853384 276606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you gain over f ∈ O(g) there?
< 1427853395 183425 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get a LaTeX mode on my IME
< 1427853404 555951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :↓{Θ(f)} can mean what O(f) means, though admittedly that notation is less common.
< 1427853412 711825 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can use O(f) = O(g) for f \in \Theta(g)
< 1427853488 716569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. You can just use ⊆ instead of ≤ and it gives you the order I want?
< 1427853496 635004 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So I think this would accomplish what you wanted: having only one of O/\Theta/\Omega to remember.
< 1427853549 514650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're saying, O(f) ⊂/⊆/=/⊇/⊃ O(g)
< 1427853555 876202 :LordCreepity!~John@cpe-74-131-38-41.swo.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-.
< 1427853576 626363 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not yet sure about o.
< 1427853630 203605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"f ∈ o(g)" just means "f ∈ O(g) and f ∉ Θ(g)", doesn't it?
< 1427853651 485729 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because there are non-monotone functions like f(n) alternating between n (for even numbers) and 0...
< 1427853683 888492 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, f \in o(g) means that the limit of f(n)/g(n) as n goes to infinity is 0.
< 1427853704 897712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Maybe my other order was too simplistic too.
< 1427853733 259199 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I currently believe is stronger that f \in O(g) and g \notin O(f).
< 1427853777 87251 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking that alternating function as f, and g(n) = n.
< 1427853984 349826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you saying about these f and g?
< 1427854013 881552 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that f \in O(g) and g \notin O(g) and f \notin o(g).
< 1427854031 448523 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1427854036 422719 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :g \notin O(f)
< 1427854175 182911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. I guess so.
< 1427854179 142935 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which demonstrates that f \in o(g) is different from O(f) \subsetneq O(g).
< 1427854196 486496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Sigh.
< 1427854211 8910 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I didn't make the definitions.
< 1427854222 243017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be in #-lens or #-blah or one of the other channels that I was talking about this.
< 1427854303 349023 :LordCreepity!~John@cpe-74-131-38-41.swo.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1427854470 687379 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, but I'm on too many channels already, and neither -blah nor -lens really interest me.
< 1427855298 358048 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Prismata is having an April Fools Day event
< 1427855304 910073 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 9 fake new units and 1 real new unit
< 1427855641 492068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have made a mistake in the .XI loading code because it doesn't quite work properly.
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< 1427856096 883775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it
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< 1427856693 118485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now all of the updates are on the Redmine too.
< 1427856933 646973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1427856946 303709 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love /r/todayilearned's CSS
< 1427856988 367138 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're making every comment look like it's saying conspiracy stuff
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< 1427857138 980837 :infinitymaster!~infinitym@c-67-201-231-197.reshall.wwu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust Iron_Will_and_a_Clear_Conscience >(-)*15>(+)*15(>++>--)*3>([(+)*15[-]]>)*21
< 1427857139 529267 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitymaster.Iron_Will_and_a_Clear_Conscience: points -3.40, score 17.03, rank 35/47
< 1427857159 642421 :infinitymaster!~infinitym@c-67-201-231-197.reshall.wwu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yissssss
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< 1427859155 202178 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi infinitymaster
< 1427859165 867311 :infinitymaster!~infinitym@c-67-201-231-197.reshall.wwu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello quintopia.
< 1427859362 507036 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it weird that I enjoy Internet April Fools so much?
< 1427859406 793378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: thx tdh
< 1427859413 250619 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1427859419 517424 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its super fun
< 1427859577 807734 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
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< 1427860158 770349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What is thx tdh?
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< 1427860618 684561 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tagpro has an April Fools Day event, but it only runs the first 15 minutes of every hour
< 1427860636 74743 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is driving me crazy, I'm timing my life around it right now
< 1427860660 363596 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, I think, involves me playing less tagpro than usual, ironically enough
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< 1427863742 523429 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhn
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< 1427864225 344610 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: adu
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< 1427865833 466079 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my graphics card's video decoding is broken
< 1427865846 217233 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Videos stopped working for me until I told Chrome not to use hardware decoding
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< 1427866876 311791 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://com.google/
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< 1427867309 723049 :Welcome!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427867309 828248 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1427867737 422048 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Think of Smartbox as Google’s attempt to reinvent physical mail. It has smart folders, filters, and even apps. Oh, and you can take Smartbox with you, wherever you go."
< 1427867740 813171 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh I want this for real
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< 1427875030 145447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy A) == typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy B)
< 1427875030 268341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1427875030 269044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy A)) == typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy B))
< 1427875030 269092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :False
< 1427875052 617746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, oerjan: Any ideas for what to do with that?
< 1427875420 969811 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427875438 715265 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: did you enjoy your outage?
< 1427875438 960676 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: scheffig is the scheme48 native compiler coming along? ( sorry, i didn't
< 1427875500 249011 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unfortunate
< 1427875603 796756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpresshey
< 1427875617 774921 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://home.web.cern.ch/about/updates/2015/04/cern-researchers-confirm-existence-force
< 1427875822 428997 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes happy april
< 1427876201 701989 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like april?
< 1427876201 840317 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what did you do
< 1427876455 190505 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1427876462 935255 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427876469 326026 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas played a 1. April prank on fungot!
< 1427876469 465967 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i know im an asshole.
< 1427876485 518812 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O
< 1427876581 908977 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Well then you deserve the prank.
< 1427876582 253354 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ok, here's a *great* example. ( there was a roshambo bot called iocane. :) the interpreter i've used.
< 1427877401 561986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1427878465 404904 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imasheep.hurrdurr.org/
< 1427878476 571456 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel.org redirects there ^^
< 1427878929 310549 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1427879011 512866 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because linux 4.0 is codenamed hurr durr ima sheep
< 1427879029 403804 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds legit
< 1427879049 312624 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no really it's true
< 1427879106 131054 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :linus started a test poll on google+ and one of the options was hurr durr ima sheep ^^
< 1427879186 180578 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=c517d838eb7d07bbe9507871fab3931deccff539
< 1427879186 677006 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=c517d838eb7d07bbe9507871fab3931deccff539
< 1427879192 913854 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops.
< 1427879200 521554 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: race condition
< 1427879210 413100 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: IRC needs mutex
< 1427879214 217258 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1427879286 140269 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc has +m
< 1427879519 536158 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so that's why it redirects!
< 1427879522 438141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1427879531 465823 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the title has changed too
< 1427879537 878830 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "The Hurr Durr Archives"
< 1427879803 905907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: ...
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< 1427880113 177174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427881764 707166 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names
< 1427881879 287193 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :those need to be displayed prominently upon boot
< 1427883039 502516 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, are those types actually different so that it breaks  gcast  in connection with a type family?
< 1427883059 777327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're different types with different kinds.
< 1427883075 269458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why Proxy gets different TypeReps.
< 1427883217 297423 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it doesn't break gcast then.
< 1427883231 168207 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *believe* that's fine.
< 1427883271 248635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo fine
< 1427883280 970645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a way to write unsafeCoerce with it, at least.
< 1427883496 969296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is () :: *, b is () :: Constraint
< 1427883506 28168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll post it on #9858.
< 1427883606 196608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: * -> *)) == typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: (* -> *) -> *))  is also true.
< 1427883623 422390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm.
< 1427883632 403959 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. wrong ghc
< 1427883651 51918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1427883654 209979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's False.
< 1427883677 517490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have 7.10.1 installed but 7.8.3 is still my default.
< 1427883994 944297 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427887254 952806 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i'm saying is that if we have codata we might as well redefine our entire foundation of mathematics to use it.  clearly, 1/0 is a corational.  clearly, - can be defined over the corationals, and 1/0 - 1/0 = 0.
< 1427887257 333693 :roasted42!~appleseed@vc-nat-gp-s-41-13-28-89.umts.vodacom.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427887284 475718 :roasted42!~appleseed@vc-nat-gp-s-41-13-28-89.umts.vodacom.co.za QUIT :Changing host
< 1427887284 478271 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427887284 507758 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
< 1427887421 200856 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: IDENTIFIABLE CHICKEN
< 1427887433 891898 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: your use of "clearly" is clearly wrong, hth.
< 1427887483 517680 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you didn't find that entertaining?
< 1427887519 491462 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because I tried to make sense of "1/0 is a corational".
< 1427887545 352427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failing that, annoyance was the dominating reaction.
< 1427887601 886675 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1427887643 392405 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make it sound like your failure to make sense of a concept is a bad thing
< 1427887741 737993 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry I tend to overanalyze things.
< 1427887911 625437 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my. https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/issues/114
< 1427887976 880720 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1427887995 155397 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll wait a day before closing that one :P
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< 1427891129 79544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Sgeo> https://com.google/ <-- it doesn't change the link targets DISAPPOINTED
< 1427891212 880245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k A
< 1427891213 917102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘A’
< 1427891235 873645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy A) == typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy B)
< 1427891239 393895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1427891261 309834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (() :: *)) == typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (() :: Constraint))
< 1427891263 5990 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Constraint’
< 1427891263 333845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you meant ‘Contains’ (imported from Control.Lens)
< 1427891270 749554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff
< 1427891337 407605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i cannot say, i haven't installed 7.10 yet.  what is preventing you from just slotting it into one of the versions at http://oerjan.nvg.org/haskell/TypeableExploits ?
< 1427891355 430489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (() :: *))
< 1427891356 875278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ()
< 1427891414 45359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: import GHC.Exts.Constraint plz twh
< 1427891494 184776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky sleeping americans
< 1427891509 358309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such module
< 1427891536 765125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Exts (Constraint)
< 1427891546 895025 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real problem is that GHC.Exts is not trustworthy. So I have to wrap it... haven't bothered yet.
< 1427891552 588275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1427891573 553227 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's easy, that's what lambdabot-trusted is for. But it
< 1427891594 892790 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s not limited to changing a single line in Pristine.hs.)
< 1427891597 924397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm they should make a GHC.Exts.Safe then
< 1427891651 661961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9724
< 1427891688 399852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one fell through the cracks (I forgot about it myself, too)
< 1427891835 817873 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly. https://com.google/
< 1427891855 30448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 3rd time's the charm
< 1427891886 714644 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote fugue
< 1427891886 840415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: Welcome to #haskell, where your questions are answered in contrapuntal fugues.
< 1427891891 802158 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fugue
< 1427891893 116479 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1427891904 494281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote canoon
< 1427891906 85015 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote canon
< 1427891908 965799 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1427891908 967225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1427891919 158715 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote music
< 1427891919 952314 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :475) <monqy> mmm these music samples are still so tasteful \ 552) <oerjan> i am sorry to disappoint you, but my musical taste is on the side abba, verdi, and celine dion.  i know this may not be popular and that you would have preferred me to be a satanist. \ 1235) <fungot> boily: the proc is invoked. before or after the evaluator transfers control
< 1427892171 973595 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ... I need to stop procrastinating, there's a deadline (review for a conference, so not a flexible one) today.
< 1427892368 107272 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427892956 604210 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo is a bar" is an inductive definition; "if B is a bar, expr(B) is a bar" is an inductive definition; if I and J are inductive definitions, "I; J" is an inductive definition
< 1427893068 892182 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GibVent
< 1427893272 233069 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :that allows non-well-founded definitions, & could stand to be improved
< 1427893343 147599 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be less snappy, tho
< 1427893371 564765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's non-well-founded surely it must be coinductive.
< 1427893440 841964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION might be half joking there
< 1427893450 583519 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps y'all should apply soundiness to math: http://soundiness.org/documents/InDefense2.pdf
< 1427893467 882381 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen very few april's fool things today
< 1427893491 127579 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That soundiness thing isn't an April's fool, I'm afraid.)
< 1427893523 6105 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they have their own domain now do they?
< 1427893539 41567 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well, that escalated" i can't do it
< 1427893643 164834 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a Soundiness Statement Generator
< 1427893704 253757 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you are too lazy to write, yourself, "Our analysis does not soundly handle X, Y and Z"
< 1427893780 679168 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the next step is for them to write a Soundiness Analyzer which takes your analyzer and tells you just in what ways it is unsound
< 1427893792 800427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :We present a soundy (i.e., unsound and incomplete) analysis of Brainfuck program termination, building on previous work in random number generation.
< 1427893883 288195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION briefly thinks it's a shame healthy ends with y already
< 1427893902 133877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess one could reverse the construction
< 1427893942 992821 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427893956 869393 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. Right, "sound" is a noun. So a soundy thing would have to make noises. They do that quite successfully, I suppose.
< 1427894006 170987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a very smarty deduction
< 1427894119 119953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way to get the type (() :: Constraint) without mentioning Constraint
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< 1427894235 147428 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't help thinking that if people were more used to the idea of a subset of a programming language, the whole soundiness thing would be moot.  your analysis is sound on some subset of the language, that's all.  not a hard concept, is it?
< 1427894268 163104 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1427894296 428625 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people aren't UNused to that idea either, so i don't know.  the various sub-industries, each has their own weirdness
< 1427894305 310159 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdnesses
< 1427894313 544618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdiness hth
< 1427894328 451515 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weird is strong in oerjan.
< 1427894353 31893 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :HPC folks treat "code" as a count noun while almost everyone else treat it as a mass noun
< 1427894362 236130 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :*treats
< 1427894536 453401 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I would've expected that of cryptographers, but not of HPC.
< 1427894593 843340 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or cryptologists, more generally.
< 1427894603 385214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k forall a. (Ord Int,a) ~ (Ord Int,()) => Proxy a
< 1427894604 487530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    The second argument of a tuple should have kind ‘Constraint’,
< 1427894604 488198 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      but ‘()’ has kind ‘*’
< 1427894604 633230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In a type in a GHCi command:
< 1427894631 859933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks impossible to get it to infer that () is a Constraint without putting it on explicitly :(
< 1427894779 862360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopefully checks if they got the Platform out yet
< 1427894887 246646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nope)
< 1427895613 977368 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though i should probably look into codata more because it seems like you could do some really interesting things with reified codata
< 1427895745 344354 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427895790 786056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying when you start writing an answer to a 1 hour old stackoverflow question and someone else beats you by 10 seconds :(
< 1427895842 37 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1427895842 313973 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the victor, the rep points
< 1427895861 763114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it _was_ a better answer than i was writing.
< 1427895864 114799 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: You're just being a copycat!
< 1427895882 635183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats mroman -----###
< 1427895883 729793 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cats
< 1427895897 659160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat cat
< 1427895898 801856 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meow meow meow meow
< 1427895899 13582 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow~~
< 1427895906 954036 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably could've hopped on IRC and gotten an answer in 5 minutes (if they were willing to put up with the belittling)
< 1427895944 807206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe.  it was a little subtle.
< 1427895946 269836 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "why do you want to do that, anyway?"
< 1427895988 189204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually sort of a type bug in the API interface of the haskeline interface, that means you have to give a stupid type annotation for a type you're about to throw away...
< 1427895997 925331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*haskeline package
< 1427896057 37883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29390884/ambiguous-type-variable-with-haskeline-auto-completion#29392412 fwiw
< 1427896108 138040 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can you cook with a water cooker?
< 1427896108 480787 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: neither one of these days. but rack is close enough to programming any features you want, and what we still need more optimizations.
< 1427896132 934939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure fungot understands the concept of water
< 1427896133 241193 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: esoerl for esoteric and erlang maybe?)
< 1427896140 595587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, fungot, that is not it.
< 1427896140 843819 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you just don't take them if you used block for begin) depending on the ordering of the for clauses...)
< 1427896148 933545 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? water
< 1427896151 532710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :water? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1427896187 487285 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Water is a squishy substance that creeps along the floor and can suddenly fall from the heavens.
< 1427896195 702196 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'water': Water is a squishy substance that creeps along the floor and can suddenly fall from the heavens.
< 1427896207 480851 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, the best part of stackoverflow is the list of trending questions on the right
< 1427896245 885617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rarely look at that
< 1427896549 536511 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's rice cookers.
< 1427896582 498913 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and steamers
< 1427896583 791174 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1427896604 508502 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get a fully functional kitchen with 200CHF.
< 1427896648 528129 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, if you hand wash your dishes .
< 1427896671 93936 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you hand wash your dishes?
< 1427896671 200265 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord
< 1427896675 758780 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. ok
< 1427896684 131473 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1427896684 138037 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1427896703 256649 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin
< 1427896703 294377 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy)
< 1427896715 584359 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Your thoughts about morphic fields?
< 1427896716 606045 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: dr., on corals fnord themselves." " 27. on this account i went in yesterday, and was recopied before being sent to/ lacrymal glands. this salt was first exported in 1830: in one mid-styled plant, but was withdrawn on/ appointment :) royal commissioners, that ordinary doctors know little or nothing to tell you a fnord, not by means :) its ferment, 94, 95, and generally to/ male.
< 1427896724 750353 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morphic fields even explain evolution!
< 1427896781 237604 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`morphic field
< 1427896782 338415 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: morphic: not found
< 1427896787 492856 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? morphic field
< 1427896794 89246 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morphic field? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1427896795 960031 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nts nts
< 1427896953 27985 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427897000 599735 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1427897000 638685 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
< 1427897012 938829 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Who's douglas adams?
< 1427897013 85289 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: right... it's gonna be.
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< 1427898020 115845 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1427898064 443286 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1427898955 860249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zom3one point me to the best pranks
< 1427899004 275713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see #esoteric logs hth
< 1427899016 170312 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1427899018 968297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, http://home.web.cern.ch/about/updates/2015/04/cern-researchers-confirm-existence-force
< 1427899033 906149 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a filter
< 1427899108 727020 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope nothing good in todays log
< 1427899147 615711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too critical for the world
< 1427899328 993013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh typeRep already takes a Proxy of course
< 1427899375 690155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that does seem like unsafeCoerce is hard to get from this.
< 1427899519 893418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too damn hard to find flags from inside ghci
< 1427900544 913543 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1427901453 182083 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what flags?
< 1427901677 910952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it was -fprint-explicit-kinds
< 1427901716 246081 :TheM4ch1n3!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1427901888 341585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> oh my. https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/issues/114 <-- you just have to tell them the truth; that haskell has been surpassed by befunge for this use.
< 1427902151 644274 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad but true
< 1427902226 283471 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427902657 794049 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is actually a UFAI that is simulating you. true fact
< 1427902657 917167 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's done there just to show that
< 1427902664 299789 :roasted42!~appleseed@vc-nat-gp-s-41-13-2-94.umts.vodacom.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427902664 431439 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :... see?
< 1427902689 845728 :roasted42!~appleseed@vc-nat-gp-s-41-13-2-94.umts.vodacom.co.za QUIT :Changing host
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< 1427902689 895342 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
< 1427903403 307419 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is your favourite joke today?
< 1427903403 310985 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: given a list, a sublist isn't the same as its argument a quantified noun
< 1427903434 973937 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm.. I'm not sure if I get it
< 1427903435 263928 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it does seem to be fnord.
< 1427903542 203288 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427903626 329476 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, if the singularity told you a joke, do you think you'd be able to understand it? of course you wouldn't.
< 1427903650 43665 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which singularity?
< 1427903651 402244 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are as like ants etc
< 1427903657 580016 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well, fungot, obviously
< 1427903657 849667 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: most of the stuff i do at work, and it seems i do :-o dear me.
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< 1427903945 933949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how about this? (I commented on that #114)
< 1427904102 953613 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427904221 724876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1427904267 487813 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pity, I can't assign the issue to the lambdabot organization :)
< 1427904649 467535 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grin*
< 1427904652 935030 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://com.google/
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< 1427905938 814584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 hth
< 1427905962 949642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy april fools day
< 1427905981 376883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any particular set of april 1 festivities I should be looking at?
< 1427906012 517483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well people keep linking http://com.google/
< 1427906068 583802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Google got their TLD after all?
< 1427906083 291137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC they applied for like five or six TLDs for internal use only
< 1427906125 361306 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :com.google's their first use of it for much of anything.
< 1427906132 991609 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(publicly, at least)
< 1427906185 786771 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft announced MS-DOS Mobile.
< 1427906522 326339 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, gentoo.org was pretty good too.
< 1427906609 372012 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'll be to zzo's liking too...
< 1427906616 252332 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher://gopher.gentoo.org/
< 1427906748 911151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Latër
< 1427906803 343948 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427907194 52915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm not sure, serving html + css + javascript over gopher just doesn't feel right
< 1427907226 51616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the only thing that's "proper" gopher are the directory listings)
< 1427907271 820306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1427907419 271514 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Alas.
< 1427907527 287488 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427910105 647884 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42254&oldid=42233 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+15) 10/* T */ added Time Out
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< 1427910348 59322 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
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< 1427911419 80490 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. "reason for data loss: guru meditation #00000025.65045338 press left mouse button to continue"
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< 1427915476 239721 :oren!~oren@public-245-9.nat.utoronto.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1427915518 981017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: All of the unsafeCoerces I know how to write involve taking the TypeRep of something other than the problematic type itself.
< 1427915548 108143 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.94.145 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427915549 622140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. F (Proxy A) vs. F (Proxy B), which is really F (Proxy * A) vs. F (Proxy Constraint B)
< 1427915766 492929 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.94.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a coworker of mine really liked the products ThinkGeek is advertising today, but I failed to distinguish them from their regular fare
< 1427915788 446056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I seem to remember that at least one of their joke products was popular enough that they figured out how to manufacture it
< 1427915814 437580 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427916601 139111 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.94.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: want to hear a joke? not april fool's-related, i promise
< 1427916601 831748 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: gimme link! _") will put a string into an s-exp ( the kind which is planted in the garden
< 1427916658 371083 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.94.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, now i have to write it into a pastebin somewhere i guess
< 1427916691 546061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what happens when you ask fungot things, sometimes it gives you an answer you don't want
< 1427916691 662316 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i only found at the top level, should a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck and would chuck some amount of attention to the details.
< 1427916692 989772 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you plant strings in your garden?
< 1427916693 486211 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that's fine. that's what i mean is, you can probably get a good idea if it still sleeps
< 1427916719 945497 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.94.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except now i'm distracted about thinkinzg about what kind of s-exps are planted in the garden.
< 1427916724 364326 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.94.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of riddle, obviously
< 1427916729 49684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sort that you use to protect strings
< 1427916769 924327 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of want to implement tge EnCounter using fitbit's data streams
< 1427916770 401923 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the idea of "chucking some amount of attention to the details" quite eery.
< 1427916773 467397 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.94.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :support for some sort of convoluted scarecrow, maybe
< 1427916778 97102 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: eerily
< 1427916778 291643 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not many resources in scheme48's vm are shared, other than miranda and unlambda?
< 1427916798 84232 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you got that right
< 1427916798 357001 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: prefer html? if so, that's fine, i'm sure
< 1427916816 786469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: now you have to paste your joke in HTML, for int-e
< 1427916837 411120 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I want plain text.
< 1427916837 600501 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: even though i reported it. multiple times. :p they claim that not wanting a on the end
< 1427916862 380686 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that means I'm being overruled. By a bot. *pouts*
< 1427916907 540082 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, have you ever cut your finger when trying to wash up a kitchen knife and you held the blade to wash the handle?
< 1427916907 764650 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: or get a stamp. like " hey, i'm using safari 3.1.1
< 1427916932 477484 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: on what operating system?
< 1427916932 689257 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i don't see where it transforms non-tail calls into tail calls if possible. don't force awkward programs on yourself to do some ffi stuff with it and need to be
< 1427917026 917055 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: need to be what?
< 1427917027 17520 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ( letrec ( ( a ()
< 1427917034 528126 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks fungot
< 1427917034 649441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: shy gypsy slyly spryly tryst by my crypt
< 1427917034 650640 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: with the blue squares on the cover of the book is solely based on scheme
< 1427917034 969849 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: here's my article in english ( as in, a java system doesn't map nicely onto scheme.
< 1427917044 979686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, fungot. Thungot.
< 1427917099 8408 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks funk
< 1427917104 600130 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, funk. Thunk.
< 1427917158 466685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks whistle
< 1427917159 449005 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, whistle. Thistle.
< 1427917259 458404 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thankx manx
< 1427917260 411970 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: thankx: not found
< 1427917261 318103 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.94.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1427917271 728320 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks manx
< 1427917272 667170 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, manx. Thanx.
< 1427917319 879440 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`found
< 1427917320 689310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: found: not found
< 1427917337 265593 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks blunder
< 1427917338 604660 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, blunder. Thunder.
< 1427917371 341986 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427917379 61954 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might become worse than edirc.
< 1427917394 23793 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,p
< 1427917394 268600 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1427917407 418268 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks, Thursday
< 1427917409 87965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: thanks,: not found
< 1427917418 653101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks 5
< 1427917419 482014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, 5. T.
< 1427917436 801997 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Thursday
< 1427917437 624688 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Thursday. Thursday.
< 1427917443 535097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I was wondering what would happen if the argument was shorter than 2 chars
< 1427917446 913640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run thanks ""
< 1427917452 17129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1427917452 839861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, biblegia. Thiblegia.
< 1427917459 97069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` thanks ""
< 1427917463 540059 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, wim. Thim.
< 1427917468 130036 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks cat
< 1427917470 423060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, cat. That.
< 1427917471 9278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is it picking random `words?
< 1427917473 237645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 20
< 1427917475 61931 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cary ency acet mare brodworf aam jaokson overe paliquitin marta sre oee ymblicl hical ric smarque fini alto fig nisti
< 1427917483 377625 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -a bin/\`
< 1427917493 589646 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/`
< 1427917499 479627 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la bin/\`
< 1427917500 655730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 18 Jan  6 17:40 bin/`
< 1427917526 741233 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+0a
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< 1427917558 680910 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,p
< 1427917558 907856 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++ATH0
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< 1427918434 771498 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, modem codes
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< 1427918572 38590 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1427918864 630224 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider a universal turing machine U; it reads a turing machine description T, and simulates it, but while it is simulating it it also searches for a proof that T does not terminate; U terminates if T terminates OR if U finds a proof.
< 1427918910 547228 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: we already have basically that on the wiki, I think
< 1427918914 162931 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1427918930 67691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to a language which contains no provably nonterminating programs
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< 1427918960 373036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which is still probably TC despite that?
< 1427918976 153265 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1427918996 680459 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly TC, it just terminates "more often" than a naive UTM does
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< 1427919481 751455 :no!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
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< 1427919789 307837 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not technically TC
< 1427919814 93201 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it strictly-dotted-i's-crossed-t's-TC, make it loop forever once it's found the proof
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< 1427919862 476479 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're willing to accept "It doesn't terminate and here's why" as a substitute for not terminating, it's definitely close enough
< 1427919879 302276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ah, that's a slightly different idea from the language I'm thinking of
< 1427919917 616171 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know which one you're thinking of, but it did sound similar... only non-provably-non-terminating programs don't terminate
< 1427919924 345491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Onoz
< 1427919934 245833 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
< 1427919977 135351 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, it occurs to me that if we have flexibility in how turing machines are defined, we can't avoid flexibility in what counts as "turing-complete"
< 1427920001 182900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"turing-complete" is a badly defined concept as-is
< 1427920008 725558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some things that definitely fall on one side or the other of the line
< 1427920012 469065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are also things that are much clsoer
< 1427920083 981522 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "does the TM 'take input'" is one of the big obvious points of flexibility
< 1427920119 348550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have the phrase "bf-complete"
< 1427920125 18220 :FrogLeg!~Frog@rrcs-98-101-157-150.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427920126 701879 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, onoz is... close... but not exactly what i was thinking... i think
< 1427920140 208180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it doesn't match your description exactly
< 1427920180 188992 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so, brainfuck <-> turing machines with input and output tapes
< 1427920245 266456 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even that is a bit dicey
< 1427920284 710822 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... ok... maybe not; what i was thinking of was unary. i think that just affects complexity, not computability
< 1427920297 199656 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wow does it ever affect complexity, ftr
< 1427920313 985120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1427920618 441981 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, now that i have the construction, all i need to do is... find the proof it's used in
< 1427920739 881256 :FrogLeg!~Frog@rrcs-98-101-157-150.midsouth.biz.rr.com QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1427920796 208962 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427921628 691423 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand this "GLooP" language.  none of the wikis describe it (except to say it goes along with BLooP and FLooP.)  the CLooP page seems to suggest it has an infinite parallel operation.
< 1427921698 496214 :FrogLeg!~Frog@rrcs-98-101-157-150.midsouth.biz.rr.com TOPIC #esoteric :This Topic is now Hot. B===D~ B===D~ B===D~ B===D~ B===D~
< 1427921774 737075 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah thanks
< 1427921816 603159 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, I don't see what the conditions for CLooP's infinite parallel "join" are.  do all the (infinite number of) "threads" have to terminate?
< 1427921823 99743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: GLooP was defined by Douglas Hofstader as "more powerful than FLooP, but computable"
< 1427921829 905032 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, how many threads have to terminate?
< 1427921833 299755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he concluded it didn't exist
< 1427921855 309196 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's "all threads", the CLooP implementation of http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainhype will... just not work
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< 1427921928 462792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone put the topic back to something containing the log URLs?
< 1427921933 592157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to but my client crashed
< 1427921954 22219 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com TOPIC #esoteric :RIP Misao Okawa | I'm a fungot trapped in a channel full of weirdos | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1427921955 698209 :FrogLeg!~Frog@rrcs-98-101-157-150.midsouth.biz.rr.com TOPIC #esoteric :http://meatspin.com/
< 1427921959 92894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, FrogLeg, Freenode has a rule about being open about logging in channels
< 1427921962 685086 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com TOPIC #esoteric :RIP Misao Okawa | I'm a fungot trapped in a channel full of weirdos | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
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< 1427921993 643242 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello
< 1427921997 961278 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com TOPIC #esoteric :RIP Misao Okawa | I'm a fungot trapped in a channel full of weirdos | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1427921999 909814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :benefit of the doubt with one relatively harmless topic change
< 1427922006 452539 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope i got that right
< 1427922013 158122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no benefit of the doubt with shock site links
< 1427922027 617526 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good policy
< 1427922090 333631 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so DH *defined* GLooP to be "more powerful" without actually, uh, constructively defining how it was intended to go about that?
< 1427922104 744864 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain absence of descriptions of it
< 1427922154 505427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I think he intended it to not exist
< 1427922161 369723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and brought it up as a teaser
< 1427922170 299953 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ok
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< 1427922249 904301 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i posit that CLooP's "GLooP mode" does not actually add any more power to the language, and specifically, it can't be used to implement Brainhype, and i guess i'll edit the page at some point if i feel like putting in the effort, ugh
< 1427922261 463079 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has been a while since I have read GEB
< 1427922268 694416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that non-termination proving TM is interesting, but it still runs afoul of diagonalization. (let U(x,y) be a TM that terminates with 1 if the TM x accepts y, and with 0 if it could prove that x(y) does not terminate. Then consider M(x) that first executes U(x,x), terminates if it halts with 0, and loops forever if it halts with 1. Then U(M,M) will not terminate, assuming that th...
< 1427922274 833546 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...e formal system used by U for proving nontermination is sound.
< 1427922305 72432 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you have the escape hatch that soundness of that system is not provable
< 1427922355 576303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in that sense we cannot hope to prove anything of interest (so, at least as strong as Peano arithmetic) at all.
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< 1427922761 909415 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm not sure what you're getting at
< 1427922803 491521 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I said, if T doesn't terminate, and there if no proof of this fact, U doesn't terminate
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< 1427922827 167380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "only non-provably-non-terminating programs don't terminate" <-- the notion of nonprovability also exists on a meta level.
< 1427922830 202118 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is no proof
< 1427922890 136053 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you mean by "a meta level", sorry.
< 1427922901 740251 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wording there may've been sloppy
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< 1427922929 729465 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same kind of reasoning that says that Gödel's sentence is false in the standard model of Peano arithmetic, provided that Peano arithmetic is consistent.
< 1427922940 238997 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only T's for which U doesn't terminate are those for which U cannot find a proof (of T's non-termination)
< 1427923020 135605 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure what you're getting at, and I'm getting the impression you think I think U is more powerful than it actually is...?
< 1427923065 358472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. The whole point here is that I can reason about programs in ways that U can't.
< 1427923112 985632 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that would seem to be a dreadfully strong claim w.r.t. the computationalist theory of mind...
< 1427923124 333100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I did, I described a program that will not terminate (under consistency assumptions), but that U cannot prove nonterminating.
< 1427923149 871820 :cpressey!~cpressey@host86-187-161-44.range86-187.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for that program, U doesn't terminate -- as per my definition -- and...?
< 1427923165 307393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42255 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+960) 10Created page with "The '''Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language''' (HSPAL) is a programming language by [[User:SuperJedi224|SuperJedi224]] in which a program is represented by a list of ..."
< 1427923203 521306 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: But we can prove that it doesn't terminate, whereas U can't. (Honestly, it's the consistency assumption that will bite me in the end.)
< 1427923215 107435 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42256&oldid=42255 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+11) 10
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< 1427923414 385776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: And no, it doesn't contradict the computationalist theory of mind either. We can implement that reasoning in a Turing machine, but it will be a different one from U.
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< 1427923458 853986 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's not necessarily meta-logic
< 1427923485 298017 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just throw in more axioms to any logical system
< 1427923505 674023 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since any TM will only include finitely many axioms encoded, you can always make a "stronger" termination-checker TM
< 1427923536 942215 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07HSPAL14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42261 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+59) 10Redirected page to [[Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language]]
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< 1427923652 523311 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: groan
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< 1427923852 713122 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> cpressey: But we can prove that it doesn't terminate, whereas U can't.  <-- yes, U just tries forever, and fails to find a proof, consistent with its definition
< 1427923911 164376 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than thinking you've misread my definition, I can't see what the problem is here.
< 1427923940 817346 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about U makes it incapable of taking any proof strategy that an arbitrary TM could take?
< 1427923954 336988 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly can't see anything stopping it from that
< 1427923997 45975 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimately it's because soundness of formal systems is so elusive.
< 1427924013 531852 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U is no more sound than any other UTM
< 1427924035 566438 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just terminates on some T's that a naive UTM wouldn't terminate on
< 1427924053 431273 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apologies if I was giving some other impression.  I didn't think I was.
< 1427924099 39501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cpressey_> <-- yes, U just tries forever, and fails to find a proof, consistent with its definition ← that was the basic idea behind onoz too
< 1427924101 636123 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, all I did was take your innocent use of "provable" and apply it to a formal system that is not embedded in U.
< 1427924121 890414 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, should've said "provable by Turing machine", I guess
< 1427924154 940641 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, onoz is basically this with a few small twists (it checks inside loops only, for example)
< 1427924160 410193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though it could be embedded in a different Turing machine, U')
< 1427924168 644083 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there, I disagree
< 1427924328 831420 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BT certainly isn't helping, tonight
< 1427924342 62742 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, but then you're missing the point of Gödel's incompleteness.
< 1427924397 87275 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you phrase it in terms of the Halting Problem, instead of Goedel's incompleteness?
< 1427924421 668059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no concept of "provable by Turing machine" without saying _which_ Turing machine.
< 1427924422 32528 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :U will either have embedded an inconsistent nontermination prover (and thus there will be Turing machines that actually halt, but that U will declare as non-terminating) or one can *construct* a non-terminating program from U that U cannot show non-terminating, because non-provability rests on a consistency assumption, and consistency of the systems can't be proved inside the system.
< 1427924481 49028 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: I did that already above:
< 1427924484 29264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let U(x,y) be a TM that terminates with 1 if the TM x accepts y, and with 0 if it could prove that x(y) does not terminate. Then consider M(x) that first executes U(x,x), terminates if it halts with 0, and loops forever if it halts with 1. Then U(M,M) will not terminate, assuming that the formal system used by U for proving nontermination is sound.
< 1427924564 925308 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: Note that this implies that M(M) does not terminate, but U cannot prove that fact.
< 1427924644 733451 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK -- give me a second
< 1427924644 734538 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one can *construct* a non-terminating program from U" -- let's call this Y
< 1427924644 734592 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you feed Y to U
< 1427924658 841182 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y is M(M).
< 1427924672 600928 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 22:43 I said "OK -- give me a second" but BT is just awful tonight
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< 1427924743 395919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time cpressey_ 
< 1427924746 935178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for cpressey_ is Wed Apr  1 22:47:42 2015
< 1427924759 109655 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
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< 1427924785 222078 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1427924786 794370 :cpressey_!~cpressey@109.144.191.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1427924789 306447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: you're not that lagged accordingly to lambdabot 
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< 1427924835 609089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time cpressey_ 
< 1427924836 854258 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:47:44 <oerjan> @time cpressey_  ==> <lambdabot> Local time for cpressey_ is Wed Apr  1 22:47:42 2015  <-- time travel, but maybe *I*'m lagging...
< 1427924856 755936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok _now_ it is lagging.
< 1427924863 261444 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time oerjan
< 1427924864 392667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Wed Apr  1 23:49:44 2015
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< 1427924892 47131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTCP PING reply from int-e: 0.855 seconds
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< 1427924959 808732 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: let's assume uses ZFC for its proof system. we don't know it's consistent, of course
< 1427924961 666978 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I'm sorry btw, I intended it to be an innocent remark, I didn't expect this to result in such a lengthy string of misunderstandings on various levels.
< 1427924980 377517 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm also going to assume we both know what Y refers to
< 1427924985 218713 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, you feed Y into U
< 1427924987 447860 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens?
< 1427925030 425425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "we don't know it's consistent, of course" rather ruins it, i think.
< 1427925072 939323 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, if ZFC's inconsistent we'll just find a ZFC' that we think is probably not inconsistent and carry on
< 1427925085 640502 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ZFC's inconsistent, 1 = 0
< 1427925096 44012 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Well, U either terminates because Y terminates, or it terminates because it has proven that Y doesn't terminate, or it runs forever.
< 1427925103 178038 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you're going to say "ah but ZFC might be inconsistent" there's no bloody point
< 1427925125 842468 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and that was not captured by my definition... how exactly?
< 1427925152 61232 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but in the first case Y cannot terminate. and in the second case Y actually terminates (so either the system is inconsistent or this cannot happen).
< 1427925186 764178 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refined your definition: "Let U(x,y) be a TM that terminates with 1 if the TM x accepts y, and with 0 if it could prove that x(y) does not terminate."
< 1427925244 144699 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also spearated the Turing machine from its input because it's technically more convenient. This is not essential.)
< 1427925271 728216 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would U prove that Y doesn't terminate (the second case, as you called it) if Y does in fact terminate?
< 1427925342 408091 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: because the formal system used for proving non-termination might be inconsistent; classically that means it can prove anything at all; I expect that intuitionistically it's almost as bad (but I'd have to think about this a bit more)
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< 1427925386 634523 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I am, for practical purposes, assuming it's using ZFC and assuming that ZFC is consistent.  so the second case cannot happen.
< 1427925402 471212 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Then only the third case remains.
< 1427925418 295835 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1427925427 536283 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e., Y doesn't terminate and U(M,M) cannot prove this.
< 1427925437 74810 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still fail to see the problem.  Unless the problem is "Oh noes, ZFC might not be consistent."
< 1427925438 77469 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In its internal non-termination prover.)
< 1427925538 902516 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no problem, just a strange tangle that is not quite a loop: We have a program that we know (provably, assuming consistency; this is and will always be the weak point) doesn't terminate, but the formal system embedded in U is too weak to show that.
< 1427925627 945400 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then there's no problem.
< 1427925713 777063 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I might be a brain in a vat, too.  I don't usually worry about such things.
< 1427926040 334779 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1427926160 737926 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: are you *sure* you can't rephrase your point in terms of the HP?  because I would find that a lot easier to understand.
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< 1427926362 334647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> flip showsTypeRep "" $ typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy ())
< 1427926363 546094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "()"
< 1427926380 752129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> flip showsTypeRep "" $ typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy ()))
< 1427926382 839783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Proxy * ()"
< 1427926387 221490 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=710 seems to strongly suggest this sort of thing can all be done with TM's.  i've only skimmed it so far though.
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< 1427926443 506360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think I need diagonalization, i.e. the proof method used for showing that the halting problem is undecidable.
< 1427926493 389223 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case I generally find the former easier than trying to shoe-horn proofs to only use the latter.
< 1427926519 761240 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time tswett
< 1427926520 154145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for tswett is Wed Apr 1 22:17:21 2015
< 1427926535 272040 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:17:21] <lambdabot> Local time for tswett is Wed Apr 1 22:17:21 2015
< 1427926556 286095 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, your client replies in UTC :)
< 1427926558 224155 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently my IRC client disagrees with itself as to the time.
< 1427926592 307957 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time djanatyn
< 1427926592 544157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for djanatyn is Wed, 01 Apr 2015 15:18:33 -0700
< 1427926593 875399 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs a script to hook into the ctcp time replies.
< 1427926601 118031 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm.
< 1427926603 669320 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time NickServ
< 1427926638 401867 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you know lenses in functional programming?
< 1427926644 633789 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those can be interpreted in any category, right?
< 1427926676 162429 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, any category with... binary products?
< 1427926693 163725 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone actually studied those?
< 1427926741 111139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: are you thinking of products or tensors?
< 1427926765 930278 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just plain ol' categorical products, I'm pretty sure.
< 1427926778 570997 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lens consists of arrows A -> B and (A * B) -> A such that blah blah blah.
< 1427926853 565372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lenses can be lots of things.
< 1427926855 501221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i think the above question is for you ^
< 1427926881 369473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But type-changing lenses are much nicer than the other kind.
< 1427926894 437007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And type-changing is really some sort of naturality.
< 1427926909 425244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway this has been discussed in #haskell-lens
< 1427926982 170825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote lens
< 1427926988 391706 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :895) <shachaf> Taneb: STOP TRYING TO GET LENS INTO EVERYTHING  <shachaf> Bike: You should use lens!  <Taneb> NEVER  <Bike> shachaf: i'm getting mixed messages here  \ 984) <shachaf> Bike: I think you're ready to learn about lens.  <Bike> oh god  <Bike> fiora help somebody help  <Bike> anybody \ 1186) <oerjan> in that thread Taneb admits to his sins
< 1427927157 665156 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrows g : A -> B and s : (A * B) -> A such that g . s : (A * B) -> B is the right projection, s . (A * g) . (\x -> (x,x)) : A -> A is the identity, and s . (s * B) . (\(x,y) -> (x,y,y)) : (A * B) -> A is s.
< 1427927178 298806 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.144.63 QUIT :Quit: leaving
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< 1427927756 285134 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Bike where are you?
< 1427927757 357963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427927857 609429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he seems to be online
< 1427927881 934031 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
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< 1427928184 291420 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427929159 271594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Vriskanon14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42266&oldid=42224 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+0) 10/* Vriskanon */ Typo
< 1427930490 577220 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427930720 853565 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today my only achievement was eating 500g of bacon
< 1427930838 381880 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many calores that is.
< 1427930892 1480 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 541 * 5
< 1427930893 503677 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2705
< 1427930901 881086 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent
< 1427931333 667584 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427931413 672612 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. baconinging?
< 1427931419 809964 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bacon binge. baconinge.)
< 1427931463 912856 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427931484 670428 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427931538 657194 :Lymee!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427931582 541428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good evening, boily.
< 1427931639 649735 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good evening, shachaf.
< 1427931724 739213 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1427932730 891542 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1427933225 979139 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes Lymia in the connection
< 1427933289 64917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilymia
< 1427933343 931299 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with boilognese, boilamia.
< 1427933381 570629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about some boilabaisse
< 1427933431 131013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alexandrelrod
< 1427933466 228345 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an elrod?
< 1427933518 317011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :relrod: You may be more qualified to answer that than I am.
< 1427933626 977398 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.globalsino.com/EM/image1/3911.gif ???
< 1427933680 204970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that must be the machine cern used to find the force
< 1427933837 210938 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up
< 1427933893 797965 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I do :(
< 1427933899 138045 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH!
< 1427933913 63195 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody named relrod.
< 1427933931 270116 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts bucket over head. Where?!
< 1427933933 93431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :relrod: Apparently you were instrumental in finding the force?
< 1427933936 241885 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relrod: uhm. hello? what are your approximate coördinates and body weigh?
< 1427934000 630840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks relrod's lilaxity, just because.
< 1427934020 384646 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 39.111748, -76.775635; -4 lbs.
< 1427934060 514007 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1427934062 28033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION determines it to be zero on account of the redhat cloak.
< 1427934102 639533 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalker ;)
< 1427934124 186047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never answered the question about elrods.
< 1427934162 992336 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's a shachaf? :P
< 1427934172 510188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a seagull hth
< 1427934173 358516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :relrod: i am not a stalker and i _totally_ didn't find your picture on github.
< 1427934192 445835 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: onoes
< 1427934217 640348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you find my picture on github twh
< 1427934224 142556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf can confirm i'm not a stalker hth
< 1427934235 960431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you've linked your picture many times
< 1427934267 361198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13786158/portraits/shachaf.png
< 1427934335 42 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as proof that i'm not a stalker, this is totally the first time i check out shachaf's github account.  unless i've forgotten.
< 1427934370 391855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's called "cloning" in the git nomenclature hth
< 1427934475 450429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we are confusing denotations again.
< 1427934485 201185 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: strangely, you're not in the Wisdom Conspirators.
< 1427934486 301798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :relrod: so how 'bout that bug #9858
< 1427934507 674943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've ever used git directly, anyway.
< 1427934525 365301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, relrod is related to #9858?
< 1427934549 966369 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 9858?
< 1427934592 801692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i am tending to believe that that typeRep confusion you found is harmless, because there is no function to cast without comparing actual kinds or embedding in another type.
< 1427934611 684171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i assume was your and int-e's conclusion too
< 1427934613 406324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm tending to believe also.
< 1427934631 291725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not to the point where I'd trust an unsandboxed -XSafe GHC.
< 1427934651 876374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we stopped doing that anyway.
< 1427934658 658703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure int-e did.
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< 1427934703 258094 :GibVent!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1427934715 840022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1427934742 960137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course all it would take is one function which _doesn't_ compare kinds, but there seems to be little reason to define one.  except perhaps to fake kind equality testing...
< 1427934769 367308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could be some serialization thing.
< 1427934776 439537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
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< 1427934994 722028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wait what's the Wisdom Conspirators
< 1427935024 140905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you really expect an answer, given that you're not among them
< 1427935062 295581 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can't remember if you didn't not have a github account. if you don't, could you please point me to it?
< 1427935065 809946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858 the bug we found that helped hold up ghc release for a month.  and which shachaf just discovered hasn't been entirely fixed
< 1427935079 832139 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooh. that.
< 1427935089 594483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually we didn't find it, just probed the consequences)
< 1427935097 975840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i found it
< 1427935101 657142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone else found it first
< 1427935115 312739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i have no github account, i'm pretty sure i just said i haven't used git
< 1427935187 282629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7258
< 1427935189 946142 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore the reason for you perfectly logical prolonged absence from the List.
< 1427935194 823922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spj is so jolly
< 1427935235 490432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah i didn't get goldfire's reply on Cc:
< 1427935277 284624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether there are any other places where this * ~ Constraint thing is exposed?
< 1427935486 208653 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42267&oldid=42229 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+56) 10
< 1427935507 622344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's what's happening, just made a comment
< 1427935526 39587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true but not really relevant to constructing TypeReps
< 1427935552 596457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's pretty strange that () :: Constraint's TypeRep is "ghc-prim GHC.Tuple ()"
< 1427935647 175284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they totally need to expose those Constraint entities somewhere people can get them even unapplied, like (,)
< 1427935657 399124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1427935664 213078 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what about #9858 :( it's not my fault, I swear
< 1427935666 275173 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clicks link
< 1427935687 87833 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427935695 931350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :relrod: I didn't think any of these things were your fault, but you seem very defensive for some reason.
< 1427935704 677969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is your fault?
< 1427935728 786530 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you act like I know enough about GHC internals to be able to have an impact here. :P
< 1427935741 183938 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION really, really should learn more about how GHC actually works :/
< 1427935742 759702 :Lymee!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427935744 817840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were all about GHC?
< 1427935769 317019 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Naw. I do Haskell Infra stuff, but haven't gotten into GHC stuff yet.
< 1427935770 324463 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to
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< 1427935807 565878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know how GHC works either.
< 1427935868 595156 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Lately I'm on a type theory thing. Trying to work with people in the math department at my school and have them let me do an Individual Study in type theory.
< 1427935887 257589 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I think it would be a lot of fun
< 1427935900 86386 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm going to learn it anyway, so why not get some credit for it ;)
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< 1427936480 100810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? relrod
< 1427936496 466996 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relrod? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1427936554 635090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A relrod is a machine useful for finding the Force.
< 1427936564 221015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'relrod': A relrod is a machine useful for finding the Force.
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< 1427940425 645812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you've been til'ed http://www.reddit.com/r/haskelltil/comments/313n72/the_numdecimals_extension_lets_you_write_integers/
< 1427940457 91566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wasn't that dmwit
< 1427940484 890141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait was it the binary one you did?
< 1427940498 177263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I did implement this.
< 1427940502 422430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmwit was the one who asked for it.
< 1427940536 929291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what's this subreddit thing
< 1427940581 187059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if you actually log in following the small ones isn't so painful
< 1427940800 341980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was advertised on haskell recently
< 1427940814 358824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only my second smallest
< 1427940821 272855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(guess which is the smallest one)
< 1427940839 697596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's the large ones which are painful hth
< 1427940870 435011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually use the front page, which means it would probably be painful if he had more subreddits than fit in the menu
< 1427940887 167516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnhaa
< 1427940894 587961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part
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< 1427940943 841581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to use the front page because then the largest ones that i almost never visit would swamp the small ones which i follow closely.  i think.
< 1427940982 937386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part preceding the hth
< 1427941002 893574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing that isn't helpful is 35s roundtrip latency to 8.8.8.8
< 1427941010 892416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1427941030 899281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the painful part is having a lot of them, since then I have to click them all.
< 1427941039 469694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If everyone puts everything in the main one then there's no problem.
< 1427941044 778878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that the main one is getting noisy.)
< 1427941052 426937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(has gotten)
< 1427941067 874449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make subreddit combinations, i hear
< 1427941080 717886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. /r/haskell+haskelltil
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< 1427941137 906874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the smallest one is /r/esolangs hth)
< 1427941163 731049 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rubs eyes
< 1427941165 138397 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit
< 1427941174 433281 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is tweeting, stop the press
< 1427941175 544931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: whoa whoa whoa
< 1427941178 541176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be like that :'(
< 1427941183 137060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: hm?
< 1427941183 170295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping to keep it quiet
< 1427941188 784659 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1427941190 396558 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1427941196 685595 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :fahcahs is not tweeting
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< 1427941203 404320 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I flipped it too much
< 1427941209 127833 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, disregard everything
< 1427941228 909994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :twitter used to email me from n-funpuns=...@postmaster.twitter.com
< 1427941310 301180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Do you know how Twitter lists work?
< 1427941325 47483 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :they forgot about that feature
< 1427941325 511934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a mess.
< 1427941335 609854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use that feature instead of the "follow" feature.
< 1427941337 718233 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :they added it years ago and have been progressively de-emphasizing
< 1427941340 24901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my followee list isn't public.
< 1427941346 285706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only sort of works.
< 1427941372 943761 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh interesting
< 1427941392 712163 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actively mark it as not public? or just have 0 and it shows up that way?
< 1427941410 617481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's separate from the following feature.
< 1427941424 404045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a list and I look at that list instead of the front page.
< 1427941443 39819 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1427941460 660468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want to follow conversations including ones where people reply to me, and it doesn't seem to work very well for that. I managed to add myself to the list but it still doesn't do it.
< 1427941464 656890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well.
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< 1427942944 316311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was inevitable that someone would reinvent feather in haskell https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2015-April/118905.html
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< 1427942998 296230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is clearly a terrible idea for me to follow this link
< 1427943000 268613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does so anyway
< 1427943023 289364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAi mean, not at all.
< 1427943038 86968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bearing in mind our model of a space-time continuum of hackage dependences, the solution emerges — enforce immutability, but allow retroactive mutation." oh good, they came to the same conclusion as me without necessarily being able to implement it
< 1427943046 813982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? feather
< 1427943047 832089 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feather? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1427943084 463720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523
< 1427943085 498104 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good.
< 1427943098 157285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how does shachaf not know what feather is
< 1427943108 508240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why isn't it in the wisdomdb, I thought it was
< 1427943117 828942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he's just checking what current wisdom on feather is
< 1427943126 96522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it mentioned but I don't remember if I ever knew what it is.
< 1427943132 939828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's a thing where the joke is that no one says what it is.
< 1427943147 365853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Feather
< 1427943154 228598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke /became/ that but it wasn't the original joke
< 1427943243 687234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esolangs page is quite a good description
< 1427943250 456512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both the idea of the language itself, and why everyone avoids talking about it
< 1427943306 629401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, Broken Age Act 2 will come out this month.
< 1427943365 627889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, now I'm on the verge of thinking about Feather again
< 1427943369 233339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Feather
< 1427943370 195528 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :865) -!- ais523 has parted #esoteric ("someone is going to mention Feather, I know it"). \ 866) <Bike> i don't even know anything about feather and i'm getting sick of the time travel jokes \ 896) <ais523> in Smalltalk, as in Feather, in order to do I/O, you must first create the universe  <Sgeo> ais523, it seems quite capable of I/O... GUI is a fo
< 1427943384 561632 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming language based on the principles of metacybernetics.
< 1427943388 503559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are the time travelers?
< 1427943533 844530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Feather, everything is immutable, but you can retroactively change what an object was when it was created
< 1427943563 909246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to think about it another way, you have a "clone" operation, and the result of the clone has a method that lets you retroactively change what the clone function returned
< 1427943570 634564 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at ais523 
< 1427943577 458258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this much is easy to implement, it's basically a wrapper around call/cc
< 1427943589 826370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then things start getting confusing very quickly
< 1427943598 490322 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PART #esoteric :"/dev/null is full"
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< 1427943695 636275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo -ne '#!/bin/sh\ngrep -P -i -n "$1" quotes | cut -d ':' -f 1 | xargs\n' > bin/quotenums; chmod +x bin/quotenums
< 1427943698 60493 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1427943699 873253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotenums feather
< 1427943700 868719 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :865 866 896 897
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< 1427949917 636301 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Idunnowhy9000 5*  10New user account
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< 1427956784 670385 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you need to take a step back here
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< 1427980281 155419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1427980319 215911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how ia64 (also known as itanium) is a different cpu architecture from x86_64 (also known as intel-64 or amd64 or x64)? these names will confuse some more newbies in the future.
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< 1427980395 515501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway, now we have another similar set of confusing architecture names: http://hurrdurr.org hosts the Hurr Durr kernels, also know as Linux, not to be confused with Hurd which is a different kernel.
< 1427980404 226571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Dict
< 1427980406 908030 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Dict’
< 1427980440 968689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you about a day late
< 1427980450 380061 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I am
< 1427980455 702561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hurrdurr.org is still alive
< 1427980460 904237 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... but... x86 has more bits than x64
< 1427980464 946633 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 only has 64
< 1427980468 109773 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86  has way more
< 1427980468 110453 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that kernel.org no longer redirects to it
< 1427980473 782235 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely 86 bits
< 1427980542 863257 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which lets me count to 77371252455336267181195263
< 1427980654 220881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yes, there's a quote about that in http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1558
< 1427980739 930754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh interesting, in 7.8 the () constraint wasn't Typeable, it seems.
< 1427980751 753296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ <:2x^86
< 1427980752 308765 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 77371252455336267181195263
< 1427980760 721338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you cannot derive it, of course
< 1427980815 523433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it in a Maybe then
< 1427980821 268620 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or add a dummy constraint
< 1427980826 395052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn i cannot define Dict in lambdabot because int-e refuses to import Constraint
< 1427980880 681257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not useable for what i'm actually trying to do, which is to expand shachaf's discovery from yesterday to an exploit
< 1427980914 115243 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1427980934 43892 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that why int-e refuses to import Constraint though?
< 1427980939 240486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i'm too lazy to install 7.10 until the Haskell Platform gets out
< 1427980955 267300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no.
< 1427980982 815888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he gave up trying to get around our previous exploits with that kind of restrictions, and made a proper sandbox.
< 1427981012 449064 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um sure, and?
< 1427981016 813400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason he refuses is that Constraint is in GHC.Exts, an Unsafe module.
< 1427981025 35885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might want to use both for security
< 1427981029 565748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means he'll have to jump through some hoops.
< 1427981042 314625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but Constraint is _supposed_ to be safe.
< 1427981072 607437 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but int-e suspects it's not safe even if it's supposed to be
< 1427981097 631421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i don't think he suspects Constraint, in itself, is safe.  he'd have to ban _everything_.
< 1427981102 122819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unsafe
< 1427981131 48439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, of course, in this case i need it to test whether there is an exploit.
< 1427981166 14034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to use 7.8 as far as possible to test, but it doesn't even _have_ the Typeable instances i need
< 1427981208 763212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1427981221 20979 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a different online haskell interpreter somewhere?
< 1427981360 180727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Proxy :: (Proxy (() => ()))
< 1427981361 235785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy ()
< 1427981364 775109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1427981379 752748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite possible it isn't possible to actually construct the () => () type
< 1427981431 244431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm it's probably not considered monomorphic.
< 1427981451 975229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it won't show up as Typeable
< 1427981473 879703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make an argument with the type, but not define instances for it.
< 1427981489 153357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ^
< 1427981512 478363 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1427981615 771304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _if_ you could, and if goldfire's ghc trac comment about * and Constraint being identified in core is actually relevant and creeps into the form of Typeable instances...
< 1427981626 827079 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, isn't the constraint () trivially true?
< 1427981662 240476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well sure.  i was trying to construct (() => ()) as an actual _type_ with a Typeable instances distinct from ()
< 1427981680 338668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to check whether it had the same TypeRep as () -> ()
< 1427981708 793043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could have allowed an exploit.
< 1427981708 844391 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Proxy :: Proxy (Eq Int => Int)
< 1427981710 10490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Illegal polymorphic or qualified type: Eq Int => Int
< 1427981710 114764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you intended to use ImpredicativeTypes
< 1427981710 115377 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In an expression type signature: Proxy (Eq Int => Int)
< 1427981720 669516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1427981800 119019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it cannot contain actual class names or anything _officially_ polykinded.
< 1427981836 113257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :() :: *  and () :: Constraint  have the same TypeRep, but the problem is constructing something with the _same_ kind
< 1427981845 276388 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) => Int)
< 1427981846 531187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Illegal polymorphic or qualified type: ((), ()) => Int
< 1427981846 584751 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you intended to use ImpredicativeTypes
< 1427981846 585402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In an expression type signature: Proxy (((), ()) => Int)
< 1427981867 791880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot define any helper types, they would be polykinded.
< 1427981934 855006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but => is the same as -> in core, which might or might not be relevant.  i'm starting to think it isn't, because => doesn't construct a monomorphic type.
< 1427981979 316028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has no chance of ending up in a Typeable argument.
< 1427982129 846840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm maybe it does.  in 7.8 with ImpredicativeTypes enabled, typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) => ()))
< 1427982142 940235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets close enough to complain about a lacking instance.
< 1427982164 591004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(having just () got removed)
< 1427982204 596563 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION helped
< 1427982254 320622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just need 7.10 without stupid restrictions to test this :(
< 1427982293 209722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MinGHC or not MinGHC, that's the question.
< 1427982296 547422 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanebvented is the word.
< 1427982339 997720 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, this was just a tanebhelped
< 1427982411 783790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427982422 592844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah 11 minutes to download something i only want to test something
< 1427982435 790537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.
< 1427982507 132850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not patient
< 1427982552 243473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, i need a ghc 7.10 with ImpredicativeTypes and Data.Typeable enabled.
< 1427982584 838930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just to test if the TypeReps _are_ the same, which they most likely aren't.
< 1427982627 245606 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't shachaf awake :(
< 1427982642 708717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pesky americans)
< 1427982740 328745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask shachaf Can you test (you need ImpredicativeTypes) whether typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) => ())) == typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) -> ()))
< 1427982740 416016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427982789 496394 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427982831 429362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) -> ()))
< 1427982832 613756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((),()) -> ()
< 1427982897 672141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh and thanks
< 1427982903 563088 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1427983126 129966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh safe haskell still allows some FFI
< 1427983143 749283 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :safeFFI
< 1427983164 182866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :under the "everything's still allowed in IO" principle
< 1427983213 440152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing about ImpredicativeTypes, anyway.
< 1427983375 604772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask int-e Why aren't ImpredicativeTypes enabled, anyway.
< 1427983375 642200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427983446 287213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e seems conspicuously absent.  maybe germans have easter holidays too
< 1427983499 563734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hey, you don't happen to have GHC 7.10 by any chance
< 1427983509 200912 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, just got it installed somewhere
< 1427983528 436157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could test what i asked shachaf 
< 1427983602 756576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it compiles but they _aren't_ equal, the printout of typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) => ())) would also be interesting.
< 1427983655 403565 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are not equal
< 1427983681 100175 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeOf (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) => ()))
< 1427983682 331230 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy * (() -> () -> ())
< 1427983683 957802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Illegal polymorphic or qualified type: ((), ()) ⇒ ()
< 1427983683 958505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you intended to use ImpredicativeTypes
< 1427983683 958574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In an expression type signature: Proxy (((), ()) ⇒ ())
< 1427983688 581580 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, lambdabot 
< 1427983725 811416 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeOf (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) -> ()))
< 1427983725 850168 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy * (((),()) -> ())
< 1427983727 534294 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Proxy * (((),()) -> ())
< 1427983731 830797 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, sorry lambdabot 
< 1427983749 113502 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is that right?
< 1427983795 894366 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type typeOf
< 1427983796 934970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typeable a => a -> TypeRep
< 1427983806 488875 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeOf (5,())
< 1427983808 641103 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Integer,())
< 1427983824 126454 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeOf (5,()) == typeOf (3,())
< 1427983825 566937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1427983830 334510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: @tell shachaf I cannot get either lambdabot or 7.8 to accept the re
< 1427983838 863188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1427983869 705628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: @ask shachaf Can you test (you need ImpredicativeTypes) whether typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) => ())) == typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) -> ()))
< 1427983875 205581 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type typeRe
< 1427983876 178088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘typeRe’
< 1427983876 178759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1427983876 178811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘typeRep’ (imported from Data.Typeable),
< 1427983876 301519 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type typeRep
< 1427983877 431447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (k :: BOX) (proxy :: k -> *) (a :: k). Typeable a => proxy a -> TypeRep
< 1427983882 450924 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, they are different
< 1427983888 4392 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The constraints are uncurried
< 1427983907 890415 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that
< 1427983910 247808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) => ())) look like
< 1427983911 332992 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Data.Typeable> typeOf (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) => ())) == typeOf (Proxy :: Proxy (() -> () -> ()))
< 1427983911 487841 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1427983912 821394 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@typeRep (5,())
< 1427983912 909143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1427983917 183946 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (5,())
< 1427983918 511897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ()
< 1427983966 421985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what is the result of typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) => ()))
< 1427983985 231496 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proxy * (() -> () -> ())
< 1427984002 85728 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"() -> () -> ()" rather
< 1427984037 914489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1427984043 936943 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldl maybe
< 1427984045 783108 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops
< 1427984052 875026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, please compare with actual () -> () -> ()
< 1427984086 882727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, that does look promising
< 1427984087 579166 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427984092 934310 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, True
< 1427984098 820502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1427984207 247434 :hailer!~hailer@196.45.146.225 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1427984351 810783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh i failed to read some of your lines :P
< 1427984360 885183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: could you try out http://oerjan.nvg.org/haskell/TypeableExploits/TFs5.hs ?
< 1427984419 72713 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Illegal tuple constraint: () (Use ConstraintKinds to permit this)
< 1427984460 624328 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, with ConstraintKinds it compiles
< 1427984544 591251 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And uc (100 :: Int) :: Char gets 'd'
< 1427984564 994847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1427984701 746609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fixed that, including your and shachaf's real name
< 1427984706 828581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the ghc trac ->
< 1427984790 692051 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1427984803 953596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, could you add Safe too, on principle.
< 1427984840 644825 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still works
< 1427984847 869115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"good"
< 1427984875 974938 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a single warning (duplicate constraint ()) but other than that it's all good
< 1427984936 339872 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no holidays, just a combination of getting up late and staying away from the computer
< 1427984978 955870 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody likes ImpredicativeTypes
< 1427985041 556870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think :)
< 1427985048 732824 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm in Austria, even tomorrow is not a proper holiday...
< 1427985076 406428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. Good Fridat) But Easter Monday is.
< 1427985091 614109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1427985107 512284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway has the highest density of easter holidays in the world, i think
< 1427985127 150608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(today, tomorrow, Easter and Easter Monday)
< 1427985129 682368 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Dear empty review form, please inspire me... [a different one from yesterday] )
< 1427985158 207840 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easter Sunday is also a holiday, but a rather useless one.
< 1427985183 495875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does it not have april 1 as a holiday?
< 1427985200 176114 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of holiday would that be?
< 1427985245 536316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a celebration of creativity that isn't necessarily directed towards a useful goal
< 1427985277 227123 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It's not?
< 1427985281 131508 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karfreitag is usually a thing.
< 1427985292 753713 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do send me a link to the ticket when it is available
< 1427985303 848118 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to work anyway
< 1427985310 283295 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a holiday around here.
< 1427985321 697653 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: In Austria, it's only a holiday for Protestants. Everybody else has to work.
< 1427985352 39336 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... catholics have to attend work, protestants get a holiday?
< 1427985354 503000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not sure whether it depends on the state, I'm in Tyrol...)
< 1427985356 693632 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's "lawful"?
< 1427985368 814527 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I get that it depends on the state, yeah.
< 1427985373 84759 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there are catholic-only holidays as well
< 1427985376 313303 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switzerland has different holidays in different states as well.
< 1427985388 330215 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on what religion was dominant some years ago I guess.
< 1427985389 384179 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: no it really depends on the individual
< 1427985393 739895 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oh.
< 1427985394 618714 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok.
< 1427985401 780247 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's certainly... insteresting.
< 1427985411 637028 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which I find rather strange. But oh well... and I'm neither catholic nor protestant.)
< 1427985426 784394 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well...
< 1427985436 871781 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this holiday system sucks anyway
< 1427985456 390730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this work system... never mind.
< 1427985459 425596 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of having religious holidays you might as well say "well.. you have 5 days each year you can take off for whatever religious purpose it serves you"
< 1427985470 555498 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4c6f4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427985488 209311 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be the same thing as giving you an extra week
< 1427985488 453707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by holiday i mean a day that most people don't need to work hth
< 1427985491 240258 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I would prefer.
< 1427985505 777804 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand
< 1427985523 301704 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with these "free extra holidays" you could add some restrictions like "not more than two consecutive days"
< 1427985539 884789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i just added it to the already existing one https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858#comment:76
< 1427985541 214963 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have 5 extra days, but can't use them as a whole week at once.
< 1427985563 153413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: your "you have N days and can spend them whenever you want" is very common as a method of allocating time off in companies nowadays
< 1427985570 956421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Then again the christian population pays dearly for those extra free days (there are additional taxes).
< 1427985576 392000 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It is :)
< 1427985591 571893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes requiring very slow days like Christmas Day to be one of those days
< 1427985591 831136 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you have additional days off because of some religious background.
< 1427985617 537117 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what kind of taxes?
< 1427985619 872867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's mostly because it's a huge secular holiday where basically nobody works, with the Christian holiday on the same date being observed by a much smaller number of people
< 1427985620 74128 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :church taxes?
< 1427985625 74348 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, church taxes.
< 1427985632 502268 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these don't go to the state
< 1427985635 760237 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they go to the churches.
< 1427985645 573158 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: but they still reduce the people's paycheck
< 1427985656 342460 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :)
< 1427985664 15781 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what if you're an atheiest?
< 1427985670 750617 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you get holidays on christmas?
< 1427985679 445403 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: There is this theory of division of church and state, well, this is how it looks in practice ;)
< 1427985687 742817 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1427985695 810024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's hard to argue that there isn't an atheist holiday on Christmas; just statistically, such a holiday exists
< 1427985715 257799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, the UK doesn't officially have a separation of church and state
< 1427985717 214610 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yes, I do. There's only one or two days where the faith is actually taken into account.
< 1427985719 898881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet the two overlap pretty rarely
< 1427985759 214695 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: To be fair, despite the name, Christmas is really a capitalist holiday. (Ironically it was a holiday in communist countries as well.)
< 1427985777 528531 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well...
< 1427985790 38317 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't fully agree with that
< 1427985797 1260 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like valentine's day
< 1427985804 305687 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people develop expectations from it
< 1427985813 525083 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't really blame it only on shops and malls and the like
< 1427985826 716016 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people's expectations are to blame
< 1427985844 101090 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no expectation whatsover for Valentine's day.
< 1427985849 520888 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah me neither.
< 1427985859 235352 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.
< 1427985865 233146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :expectations, whatsoever.
< 1427985867 455458 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because there's no relationship on the horizon and there never was.
< 1427985879 643649 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...
< 1427985882 714918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm feeling bad for not showing up to #esoteric with flowers
< 1427985905 167209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "wow" came from the realization that "whatsover" almost looks like a real word)
< 1427985925 652000 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only buy christmas gifts for closest of family members
< 1427985928 963671 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brothers and parents
< 1427985930 416748 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it.
< 1427985954 923939 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and usually you'll tell each other what presents you would have a use for
< 1427985955 90311 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Cherry blossom is almost over, too.
< 1427985960 785913 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which... makes the whole point rather moot
< 1427985961 728202 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1427985971 454544 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do I know about social things.
< 1427986007 96380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bbl
< 1427986088 616852 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^flowers
< 1427986090 699700 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!flowers
< 1427986093 510169 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)flowers
< 1427986094 941059 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(flowers
< 1427986095 637358 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1427986098 159875 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no flower bot
< 1427986100 558653 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`flowers
< 1427986119 515157 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: flowers: not found
< 1427986152 220038 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@}~}~~~
< 1427986152 361254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1427986174 254911 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn bot prefixes :(
< 1427986192 363120 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would make more sense for bots to have <space><prefix> 
< 1427986195 781244 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of <prefix>
< 1427986196 587156 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1427986200 629882 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody starts a sentence with a space
< 1427986204 246265 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1427986213 104060 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those damn bot writers are just too dumb to notice that
< 1427986235 757810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I think it's precisely /because/ nobody starts a sentence with aa space
< 1427986246 448037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people wouldn't be able to use the bot
< 1427986250 989754 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1427986252 993086 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @help
< 1427986253 706818 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see
< 1427986255 35366 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no proble
< 1427986256 145817 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :m
< 1427986296 23922 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi)
< 1427986306 191976 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( <:i9
< 1427986306 485069 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:1: error: expected: ":",
< 1427986306 625765 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    dependent type signature,
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< 1427986306 626576 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^         
< 1427986320 381639 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( <i9
< 1427986320 751675 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:1: error: expected: ":",
< 1427986320 754506 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    dependent type signature,
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< 1427986320 754599 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :<i9<EOF> 
< 1427986320 754629 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^        
< 1427986323 515786 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1427986362 28726 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ i9
< 1427986362 645353 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: |value error: i9
< 1427986367 164570 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ <i9
< 1427986367 894042 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: < i9
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< 1427986380 3405 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ <9
< 1427986380 650591 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ┌─┐
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< 1427986389 253478 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu
< 1427986391 6383 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ <:9
< 1427986391 797334 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: 8
< 1427986600 426894 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah
< 1427986602 467251 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me
< 1427986609 629883 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to check if I still have the source for octofrogscript
< 1427986654 481349 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1427986724 978753 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427986907 9338 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having a new language in mind that engrains code conventions in its syntax
< 1427986913 298846 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as indentation 
< 1427986932 543706 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :python?
< 1427986939 296283 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit more restricted than python
< 1427986954 421791 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In python you can still choose between 2 spaces, 4 spaces, 1 tab or 99 spaces
< 1427986959 43636 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too much freedom!
< 1427986964 511721 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1427986975 20050 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think if(9 <0) is legal
< 1427986978 286432 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go?
< 1427986979 203269 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as if (9<0)
< 1427986999 245864 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if   (9         < 0)
< 1427987013 439859 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might be too restrictive
< 1427987015 44728 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1427987027 547073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically this is $EXISTING_LANGUAGE except that your code must be byte-identical to the output produced by a pretty printer on its parse tree?
< 1427987035 691039 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well!
< 1427987039 342943 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if(9 <0) should be legal, but do something completely different from if(9<0)
< 1427987045 358350 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can write using different syntaxes I guess
< 1427987055 235323 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delphi style, lisp style, c style
< 1427987056 936699 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1427987071 503548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: have you seen Ursala?
< 1427987079 381206 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ursala rocks
< 1427987084 250779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even joking, whitespace around operators changes their meaning there
< 1427987100 19411 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1427987103 935016 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1427987107 859004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while back I learned enough Ursala to get an appreciation of how it works and just how twisted the design is
< 1427987109 72545 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i have not
< 1427987110 3760 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actually looked at Ursala a bit more serious?
< 1427987112 791426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not enough to actually program in it
< 1427987123 777028 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop me a link
< 1427987124 134183 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1427987136 291911 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1427987142 717045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can normally mentally parse programs, but not figure out what they mean (or precedence/associativity; those aren't transitive in ursala)
< 1427987189 496879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: huh, I can't find it via my normal search engine
< 1427987199 220464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's gone down
< 1427987222 933701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I found the URL but it's 404
< 1427987225 186618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now trying wayback
< 1427987237 638755 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby some weird whitespace effects, too
< 1427987261 227938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? it has non-transitive precedence?
< 1427987315 54219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: here you go: http://web.archive.org/web/20110910024105/http://www.basis.netii.net/ursala/manual.pdf
< 1427987318 300948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes!
< 1427987338 185557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually reading through the book I learned to write compilers from recently
< 1427987354 158289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it mentions offhand that non-transitive precedence is mathematically possible and the parsing algos work fine on it
< 1427987361 538184 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't this in our wiki
< 1427987376 361469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that people might want to voluntarily avoid such languages because they might be confusing
< 1427987381 346881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, ursala is evidence for this
< 1427987516 62243 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42268 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+66) 10Created page with "这个正确的名字是“十六进制堆栈式伪汇编语言”"
< 1427987539 315448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :odds of a spambot?
< 1427987559 786305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero
< 1427987572 958917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :users has plenty of other contributions
< 1427987576 766492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be confuse though
< 1427987582 389849 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting user name
< 1427987604 135732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, this is a known problem user: http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:Esowiki201529A
< 1427987668 610064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf Never mind, Taneb helped; see https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858#comment:76
< 1427987668 611477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1427988260 699492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok
< 1427988332 234031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: btw are you also still missing Cc:s on https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858 ? i've received shachaf's last message but nothing later.
< 1427988497 296160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1427988719 639505 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nice exploit. And yeah, I think deep down () :: Constraint and () :: * should have different names.
< 1427988811 252607 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh and shachaf and Taneb)
< 1427988882 802646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as (,) and =>
< 1427988919 134835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you know you're excited about something when you're trying to multitask irc'ing and shaving.
< 1427988921 623730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a (,) on the constraint level?
< 1427988940 273240 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bloddy business?
< 1427988944 137044 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody
< 1427988969 137496 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah maybe you're using one of those extra-safe, buzzing, electric shavers
< 1427989172 850667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( is there a smartphone with built-in shaver yet? )
< 1427989216 683551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could even be a razor-thin edition...
< 1427989249 972384 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1427989827 615167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes the (,) in (Ord a, Num a), say
< 1427989867 428184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm using razor blades.  pretty safe, though.  although i'm not always entirely free of bleeding.
< 1427989891 744332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the multitasking still moves between different rooms
< 1427989959 181117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use to use electric but it went *poof* just after i moved here.
< 1427989979 39262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, there was arcing when it died.
< 1427989987 449682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*used
< 1427989995 43901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now brushing teeth ->
< 1427990201 452877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm there was that automatic currying Taneb noticed, but i'm sure that cannot apply in positive position in data types/families
< 1427990403 705880 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427990912 391236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anywhere polymorphic in the constraints
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< 1427992608 60929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, new INTERCAL release
< 1427992612 864427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, C-INTERCAL
< 1427992620 724647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esr released it to get the code out there before gitorious died
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< 1427996248 541985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa, I missed the whole thing.
< 1427996250 308383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++
< 1427996263 129178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lead
< 1427996263 234373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 3h 45m 22s ago: Can you test (you need ImpredicativeTypes) whether typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) => ())) == typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) -> ()))
< 1427996263 235000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2h 23m 14s ago: Never mind, Taneb helped; see https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858#comment:76
< 1427996452 831486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't oerjan awake :(
< 1427996476 417494 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Why do you tempt me to give a tautological answer? )
< 1427996624 919316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't the tautological answer there be "because oerjan isn't awake", which doesn't actually answer the question?
< 1427996641 948994 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes.
< 1427996674 143160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The temptation arises from the fact that I cannot conceive of a more useful answer than that.
< 1427996699 247198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:52 <oerjan> why isn't shachaf awake :(
< 1427996714 668266 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thanks
< 1427996786 980070 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1427996875 114960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look i just woke up
< 1427996914 430379 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: FWIW I consider this to be one of my character flaws. So I can't really complain.
< 1427996935 646374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm confused.
< 1427996949 185127 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this" being the tendency to give tautological answers.
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< 1427997653 293453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is fungot awake :(
< 1427997653 419183 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you got to try that kind of explanation makes it easier
< 1427997695 853299 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, another review done.
< 1427997702 324057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, fungot is awake because fungot is awake
< 1427997702 824920 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i have complained about the lack of such a function
< 1427997712 839405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently doesn't know how to go to sleep
< 1427997735 619742 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^sleep
< 1427998059 45512 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now as long as nobody mentions fun⁠got by name we can pretend that it worked.
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< 1427998937 62195 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d82f:db0d:bf07:c6a8 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1427999040 458507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Makes me wonder whether there are other bugs involving ConstraintKinds that don't need Typeable. E.g. can you write (Show a, Show b) :~: (Show b, Show a) somehow?
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< 1428006816 305537 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: regarding unicodesyntax, I'm going to patch my ghc.
< 1428006855 699079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and update #8959 accordingly once it works)
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< 1428007451 253629 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AnonymousAnomaly 5*  10New user account
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< 1428008014 363152 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
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< 1428008914 374857 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gott14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42269 5* 03AnonymousAnomaly 5* (+143) 10Gott is an esoteric programming language that uses only for loops.
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< 1428009464 587011 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gott14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42270&oldid=42269 5* 03AnonymousAnomaly 5* (+826) 10
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< 1428009876 342431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> why isn't oerjan awake :( <-- the question assumes facts not in evidence hth
< 1428009889 297773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so did yours hth
< 1428009903 175738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was, at that time, probably showering.
< 1428009904 301793 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428009916 628427 :Xeironis!~Jake@dslb-088-066-225-213.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de PART #esoteric :"Konversation terminated!"
< 1428009924 468863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not completely awake
< 1428009941 546587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i wasn't going either to or from bed
< 1428009952 199890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just preparing to leave the house.
< 1428009964 499942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> It's a bit funny that GHC's normalization is exposed by type equality, so that "(Foo a, Bar a) => a" unifies with "Foo a => Bar a => a" but not with "(Bar a, Foo a) => a"
< 1428009988 280990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1428010008 49579 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1428010012 885936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, they haven't worked too hard on making type inference of constraints be flexible.
< 1428010028 173460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or maybe they have and gave up.)
< 1428010062 45634 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428010083 888207 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4c6f4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1428010090 573145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> oerjan: whoa, I missed the whole thing. <-- on the bright side, you got credited.
< 1428010126 228388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to be fair, what sort of person would even do that sort of thing with constraints
< 1428010137 903905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk hth
< 1428010191 135249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen even edwardk make GADTs/type families with arguments that require constraint unification.
< 1428010198 912663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, i greatly suspect he'd like it if the outcome of this was to make the (,) :: Constraint -> Constraint -> Constraint etc. entirely separately referencable entities.
< 1428010215 390200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure, that's a much more reasonable outcome.
< 1428010228 134913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that you can't even get at that (,) right now.
< 1428010286 110673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, after that's fixed, SafeHaskell is *sure* to be bulletproof!
< 1428010334 593705 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428010368 489927 :merdach!~k@stargate.cat.pdx.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428010369 148449 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428010386 663954 :merdach!~k@stargate.cat.pdx.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428010436 531659 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428010451 874648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed!
< 1428010482 11227 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428010490 944902 :perrier_!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428010504 286303 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428010526 57434 :dianne_!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428010565 683733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode n⁠
< 1428010592 87411 :mhi^!~mhi@104.131.27.185 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428010606 755997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gott14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42271&oldid=42270 5* 03AnonymousAnomaly 5* (+453) 10
< 1428010609 682271 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1428010609 903182 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1428010626 477880 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+2060 WORD JOINER]
< 1428010663 688279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mein gott
< 1428010714 988339 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gott14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42272&oldid=42271 5* 03AnonymousAnomaly 5* (+437) 10
< 1428010719 113048 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428010779 764754 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1428010789 22141 :fractal!~fractal@2607:fcd0:100:4300::3e34:746 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428010888 394515 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1428010955 834074 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1428010985 367262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fmap
< 1428010986 374658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b
< 1428011178 611178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fmap :: Monad m => (a -> b) -> m a -> m b -- p. fancy
< 1428011179 614196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1428011197 881291 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1428011658 168686 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428011811 34969 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428011833 235251 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1428012239 241800 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toList
< 1428012240 201229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘toList’
< 1428012240 316541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1428012240 317206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘F.toList’ (imported from Data.Foldable),
< 1428012553 20298 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428012668 987949 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1428012840 18983 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toList
< 1428012841 540758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘toList’
< 1428012841 543556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1428012841 545610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘F.toList’ (imported from Data.Foldable),
< 1428013219 178256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toList
< 1428013220 178995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IsList l => l -> [Item l]
< 1428013227 279579 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k () :: Constraint
< 1428013228 367875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘::’
< 1428013241 400858 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1428013368 890487 :FatBack!~Fat@cpe-76-189-106-172.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428013404 242562 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1428013420 82381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k (() :: Constraint)
< 1428013421 50464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Constraint’
< 1428013421 51348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant ‘Contains’ (imported from Control.Lens)
< 1428013502 92538 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428013546 174209 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428013618 457407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toList
< 1428013619 377700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IsList l => l -> [Item l]
< 1428013628 863072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, why
< 1428013678 469378 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gott14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42273&oldid=42272 5* 03AnonymousAnomaly 5* (+811) 10
< 1428013711 4734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all that work to avoid name clashes
< 1428013793 685479 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d82f:db0d:bf07:c6a8 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1428013818 232913 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d82f:db0d:bf07:c6a8 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428013867 774354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gott14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42274&oldid=42273 5* 03AnonymousAnomaly 5* (+63) 10
< 1428013904 437558 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gott14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42275&oldid=42274 5* 03AnonymousAnomaly 5* (+0) 10
< 1428013966 67764 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, this module exports nothing: http://sprunge.us/XUNE?hs
< 1428014081 305194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k (() :: Constraint)
< 1428014082 329365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constraint
< 1428014097 263466 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k () :: Constraint -- this appears to be a ghci bug
< 1428014098 266539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘::’
< 1428014125 60017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1428014176 545535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh indeed it doesn't seem to export anything
< 1428014209 80619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Not just ghci.
< 1428014229 246068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type A = () :: ... has the same issue.
< 1428014270 566395 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I just put an extra pair of parentheses there, will that break anything?
< 1428014274 235162 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (Maybe)
< 1428014275 222172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: data constructor ‘Maybe’
< 1428014275 323300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant variable ‘maybe’ (imported from Data.Maybe)
< 1428014278 538099 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k (Maybe)
< 1428014279 388061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> *
< 1428014289 110286 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is imported from lambdabot 
< 1428014434 164216 :FatBack!~Fat@cpe-76-189-106-172.neo.res.rr.com TOPIC #esoteric :penis
< 1428014466 633211 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1428014466 869241 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1428014468 118056 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :RIP Misao Okawa | I'm a fungot trapped in a channel full of weirdos | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1428014479 199517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*Fat@*.neo.res.rr.com
< 1428014479 200407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric FatBack :Go to Hell
> 1428014479 210362 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1428014499 103490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's just the reaction they wanted, wasn't it.
< 1428014509 49606 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1428014513 524344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1428014513 534972 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1428014518 34236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it happens again, use your powers to set +t
< 1428014524 45491 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1428014524 55931 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1428014525 898277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(temporarily at least)
< 1428014539 515506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric :+tsric
> 1428014539 526303 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1428014547 268108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1428014550 869611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops.
< 1428014575 35743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric :-sric
> 1428014575 46539 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1428014591 364145 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what +r is...
< 1428014599 916499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot remember, was it +c or +C
< 1428014617 983116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's already happened, ais523 banned em yesterday
< 1428014621 783236 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, /raw help umode
< 1428014624 682350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. block unidentified
< 1428014636 537464 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm cmode
< 1428014644 588768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: i am quite sure irssi doesn't use /raw
< 1428014645 296545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +C
< 1428014650 500105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1428014653 431005 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, eh?
< 1428014657 2640 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* cmode :     +C     - Disable CTCP. All CTCP messages to the channel, except ACTION,
< 1428014665 368504 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+c filters color, I hear some people here like color.
< 1428014674 595529 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :* cmode :     +c     - No color.  All color codes in messages are stripped.
< 1428014676 923817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml works.
< 1428014684 476652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: my client doesn't use /raw
< 1428014696 659356 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses /quote, hth
< 1428014697 500807 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh, so just direct /help cmode 
< 1428014698 128106 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1428014702 37524 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, /quote 
< 1428014704 819431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1428014704 830346 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1428014709 938378 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't remember irssi
< 1428014730 327465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, /help cmode gives irssi's own help, which is empty
< 1428014826 575887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: use glguy's fancy new irc client hth
< 1428014854 715637 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it run on a terminal?
< 1428014862 893868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1428014887 987264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it look like irssi?
< 1428014889 808438 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1428014906 128355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A little bit.
< 1428014933 313136 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I've already invested too much time in customizing irssi)
< 1428014954 958314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in /into /
< 1428014965 503542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this client has all sorts of great features.
< 1428014981 428159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also if you tell glguy what you're missing he'll implement it.
< 1428015044 847801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: huh why doesn't Constraint get exported
< 1428015154 5637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh it's just Constraint, too
< 1428015197 560560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this with 7.8.3, naturally)
< 1428015226 753026 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1428015560 358973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: probably a ghc bug?
< 1428015584 735868 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, I'm asking #ghc before I put in on Trac.
< 1428015615 730070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you can do that
< 1428015640 291574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did verify that this doesn't happen with just any empty data type, perhaps it's a builtin identifiers thing.)
< 1428015697 226112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i verified that Any and Down worked...
< 1428015713 922472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just random ones that aren't prelude or containing #)
< 1428015735 887702 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's an indirect import thing.
< 1428015766 803021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Constraint is "defined" in Ghc.Prim)
< 1428015771 567369 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Prim
< 1428015797 985617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so is a _lot_ of GHC.Exts, no
< 1428015867 936558 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not...
< 1428015872 214871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor# works just fine, and is from there too
< 1428015890 339891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what went wrong in my test, cannot reproduce it anymore.
< 1428015907 279702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reproduce what?
< 1428015939 779528 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where I thought that a reexport hid a reexported identifier
< 1428016040 189956 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the one"? the incident, I guess.
< 1428016085 191688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm * is also in GHC.Prim but not in GHC.Exts
< 1428016098 943414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is at computer now, tries to figure out what bug is being discussed.
< 1428016102 856688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not tried to reexport *.
< 1428016116 230747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the Constraint export paste above.
< 1428016142 737072 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since I don't really know how to refer to it in an import or export list)
< 1428016163 22914 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or what extension I need for that to work)
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< 1428016175 731767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming it's possible at all)
< 1428016178 53119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right the source links weren't working in the 7.10 haddocks
< 1428016241 419367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it just seems that GHC.Exts reexports all of GHC.Prim, so * is also excluded there
< 1428016314 235139 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Exts has an explicit export for Constraint, figures.
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< 1428016363 322966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
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< 1428016421 673882 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no explanation :( https://github.com/ghc/ghc/commit/c0e32a32a3f20a9310e7321a8a96acfe0ef0d0f7
< 1428016493 374344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it still exported GHC.Prim too
< 1428016546 654617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should've just given Constraint a symbolic name like *
< 1428016549 538672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most "obvious" cause to me is that this affects kind-only identifiers
< 1428016557 246852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it wouldn't've needed an import.
< 1428016585 272687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which cannot be defined presently iirc
< 1428016601 813111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why i wondered about *
< 1428016628 427523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but then it'd clash with type operators
< 1428016636 370157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like *
< 1428016648 958005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it'd be a _new_ clash.
< 1428016668 900546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just give it a name starting with :
< 1428016675 346027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one would name a type operator that.
< 1428016687 255529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----###
< 1428016696 468663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1428016700 856286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you finally got me
< 1428016727 277332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The letdown is that I've said much more swatworthy things.
< 1428016748 862752 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, the swatter is reusable.
< 1428016762 755852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it go back in time?
< 1428016784 246407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if someone adds feather to it
< 1428016784 810141 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :editing the codu logs may be an option
< 1428016946 381646 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm, a minority report)
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< 1428020586 410312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah it's my monthly reddit shock ad
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< 1428022110 620067 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, another wasted ghc build
< 1428022168 561702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so
< 1428022218 391781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had copied a file to  mk/build.mk.7.10.1  instead of  build.mk
< 1428022452 615191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1428022516 77118 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I got a full build, but without DYNAMIC_GHC_PROGRAMS
< 1428022553 678000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fully anemic build
< 1428022619 706024 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1428022720 753806 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :paraphrasing #haskell, unsafeCoerce is a fixed point of ($ id)
< 1428022744 891733 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-168-187-86.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428022745 958956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1428022749 652582 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-168-187-86.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428022763 134705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($ id)
< 1428022764 119147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a -> a) -> b) -> b
< 1428022764 951408 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-168-187-86.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428022768 380990 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-168-187-86.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428022776 305127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1428022780 148769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix ($ id)
< 1428022781 52167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: b ~ (a -> a) -> b
< 1428022781 52826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: ((a -> a) -> b) -> (a -> a) -> b
< 1428022781 180885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Actual type: ((a -> a) -> b) -> b
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< 1428022791 857623 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-168-187-86.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428022798 511982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMM
< 1428022811 247025 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-168-187-86.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428022814 42596 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-168-187-86.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428022820 261678 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428022839 694539 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t (unsafeCoerce $ id) :: a -> b
< 1428022839 695282 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unsafeCoerce $ id) :: a -> b :: a -> b
< 1428022841 556233 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:1: parse error on input ‘:’
< 1428022843 579641 :elliott!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :Guest24483
< 1428022855 752796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let uc :: a -> b; uc = undefined in ($ id) uc
< 1428022856 828325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b
< 1428022860 96617 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is, it's operationally the same as unsafeCoerce, too.
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< 1428022863 232481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an even more general type
< 1428022865 317642 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-168-187-86.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428022885 830216 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but without restricting the type it's liable to crash
< 1428022891 334566 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think)
< 1428022900 259128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's liable to crash anyway.
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< 1428022907 372972 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-168-187-86.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428022909 580471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, there's that
< 1428022928 242341 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-168-187-86.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428022965 368245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the least fixed point of ($ id) in untyped lambda calculus?
< 1428022982 236772 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe unsafeCoerce should really have type  unsafeCoerce :: a.
< 1428023091 98887 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let t = t (\y -> y) in t -- doesn't look useful after unfolding it into a Böhm tree.
< 1428023094 822689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: pretty sure it's bottom hth
< 1428023138 574740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and what's the greatest fixed point twh
< 1428023139 637261 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428023167 251304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does there have to be one
< 1428023170 118970 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meh we're working in different domains)
< 1428023189 520665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i never said it exists
< 1428023232 750944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda v is a bit higher, i think
< 1428023245 215021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically fix const
< 1428024201 132953 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: mihow
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< 1428028010 969397 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit
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< 1428030007 905307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Time Out14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42276&oldid=42248 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+26) 10
< 1428030900 989241 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1428032241 168833 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hacker made this almost 3 years ago
< 1428032244 961754 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` a=abcdef; n= eval 'printf %s "${a[0]"{1..'${#a}'}":(-(++n)):1}"' "$'\n'"
< 1428032253 666351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fedcba
< 1428032274 618762 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... this is mine
< 1428032277 320926 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` a=abcdef; n= eval 'printf %s "${a[0]"{1..'${#a}'}":(-(++n)):1}"' "$'\n'"
< 1428032278 276064 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fedcba
< 1428032279 992974 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1428032287 218211 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` a=abcdef; eval eval printf %s '"\"\${a:"'{${#a}..0}':1}\"' "$'$\'\\n\''"
< 1428032288 12396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fedcba
< 1428032289 444986 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that one
< 1428032375 869261 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is much more straigthforward  :|
< 1428032385 972859 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... it works in bash/ksh/zsh
< 1428032391 820545 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :his version only works in bash
< 1428032393 943751 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah
< 1428032397 462198 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda happy
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< 1428036691 711060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: For monotonic functions does o behave the way I wanted it to with respect to O?
< 1428036972 621220 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428037090 799183 :Guest24483!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you being a nethack dev is an april fool's, right
< 1428037172 598278 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest24483: IIRC no, he's been involved in nethack for a while.
< 1428037182 301313 :Guest24483!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean actual nethack
< 1428037183 390211 :Guest24483!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not nethack 4
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< 1428040336 305822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Do not destroy" the title of any melody?
< 1428040386 211544 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :write one and call it like that
< 1428040476 681364 :adu!~ajr@cpe-65-191-31-157.nc.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1428040507 170938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Footnotes in the book of Psalms in the version I have say that it probably is, although some psalms are just marked "Do not destroy" and it isn't quite clear why; the scholars who wrote the footnotes seem to believe it is probably the title of a melody that is now lost (I suppose, presumably, they had no musical notation at the time so they just named the melody instead).
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< 1428047943 549244 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, you can construct staircase functions with fast growing stairs and still get similar counterexamples to the alternating function one.
< 1428048240 130780 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for example, f(n) = 2^2^floor(log_2(log_2(n)) (which maps [2,4) to 2, [4,16) to 4, [16,256) to 16, [256,65536) to 256, etc; it's O(n), not o(n), and n is not O(f)).
< 1428048290 966284 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1
< 1428048291 906701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a
< 1428048295 242018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky me.
< 1428048457 747993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: OK.
< 1428048466 262408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an obvious relationship between o and O?
< 1428048503 956132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than o(f) being a strict subset of O(f), none that I'm aware of.
< 1428048626 686321 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(f) \ o(f) has no nice characterization, I think.
< 1428049161 393201 :stuntaneous_o!~stuntaneo@203-158-60-155.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428049230 696916 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-168-187-86.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428049581 464990 :stuntaneous_o!~stuntaneo@203-158-60-155.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1428049811 903069 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-168-151-12.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428049814 635588 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-168-151-12.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050016 808662 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050019 600519 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050034 767388 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050037 495954 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050057 729431 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050060 472635 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050078 332910 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050081 566966 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050098 340534 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050101 159468 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050113 553756 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050116 39858 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050131 592810 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050134 179783 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050149 474142 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050151 917310 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050171 754734 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050174 480786 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050190 171582 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050193 99087 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050207 756504 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050210 227614 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050224 283800 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050227 14779 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050247 349657 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050250 97450 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050272 953740 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050275 639513 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050288 475783 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050290 963328 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050307 860954 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050310 478944 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050324 639181 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050327 403577 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050342 508081 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050345 213616 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050360 279094 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050362 722845 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050382 94835 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050384 902913 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050407 730138 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050410 471345 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050424 807094 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050427 519859 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050441 731610 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050444 243304 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050458 581213 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050461 298687 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050475 740258 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050478 399752 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050494 488913 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050497 320897 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050510 774696 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050513 236344 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050533 682206 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050536 367600 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050551 350897 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050554 147050 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050569 252592 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050571 886839 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050593 970507 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050596 151907 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050610 941139 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050613 156046 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050632 796943 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050634 851575 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050636 278019 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf.
< 1428050650 384773 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050652 558444 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050669 328342 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050671 532291 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050688 459142 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050690 555927 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050707 51477 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050707 979961 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuntaneous is yet another unfortunate victim of autojoin...
< 1428050709 201389 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050722 698724 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050724 940573 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050745 778616 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050747 701228 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050763 440079 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050764 490114 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050803 747708 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050805 927071 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050818 496792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( thank irssi for selective ignores... /ignore stuntaneous JOINS PARTS QUITS )
< 1428050820 816943 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050822 870615 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050838 546814 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050840 467030 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050855 592448 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050857 457864 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050872 728795 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050874 776805 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050890 661928 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050893 3361 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050908 751522 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050910 923765 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050924 773897 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050926 755178 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050942 877448 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050944 986571 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1428050960 970942 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-101-207.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428050970 857082 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428052110 322628 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428052345 177650 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1428053946 877799 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428053991 766470 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1428054023 653601 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 PART :#esoteric
< 1428054179 385006 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1428055744 292178 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428056447 674357 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1428057532 504781 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1428057583 614224 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428057635 563848 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyo
< 1428057871 627888 :Guest24483!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Guest61975
< 1428057874 762929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04Guest61975: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13<http://esolangs.org/>. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08irc.dal.net.)
< 1428058109 185414 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1428058111 901670 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guys
< 1428058118 297251 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know art magick?
< 1428058816 192116 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 PART :#esoteric
< 1428059775 525871 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428060573 60453 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1428060778 809458 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1428061470 228141 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428061785 744903 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1428062527 797555 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428063479 720495 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428065150 983510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428065566 735360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy ((((),()),()) => ())
< 1428065567 390590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:45:
< 1428065567 392511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
< 1428065574 885440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy ((((),()),()) => ()))
< 1428065576 337592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Illegal polymorphic or qualified type: (((), ()), ()) => ()
< 1428065576 338680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you intended to use ImpredicativeTypes
< 1428065576 338734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In an expression type signature: Proxy ((((), ()), ()) => ())
< 1428065584 499888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's still missing
< 1428065591 446344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1428065651 584221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (((),()) :: Constraint)) == typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy ((),()))
< 1428065653 725816 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1428066031 760676 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1
< 1428066033 202970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1
< 1428066154 158648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x :: forall a. (a b c ~ (((),()) :: Constraint)) => TypeRep; x = typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy a) in x
< 1428066155 381976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type variable ‘b’Not in scope: type variable ‘c’
< 1428066159 539342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1428066201 64172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x :: forall a. (a b c ~ ((b,c) :: Constraint)) => TypeRep; x = typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy a) in x
< 1428066202 354535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type variable ‘b’Not in scope: type variable ‘c’Not in scope: ...
< 1428066203 511204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, going to take away the toy for some minutes.
< 1428066205 393574 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1428066221 782751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats int-e -----###
< 1428066226 277915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORST TIMING EVER
< 1428066266 415190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to see if you could get at (,) :: Constraint -> Constraint -> Constraint  indirectly
< 1428066425 965559 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, :t understands unicode syntax now (and still prints types in ASCII)
< 1428066442 361895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1428066483 390305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428066505 829918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x :: forall a b c. (a b c ~ ((b,c) :: Constraint)) => TypeRep; x = typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy a) in x
< 1428066511 392270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (,)
< 1428066518 87292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1428066636 629168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (() ~ ()))
< 1428066637 839735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ~ * () ()
< 1428066646 810769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ~ has the kind, useless
< 1428066690 809891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe you actually need the () base case to construct ambiguous things of the same kind, but i'm not entirely counting on it.
< 1428066869 303395 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was amazingly simple. https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/attachment/ticket/8959/ghc-print-unicode-flag.patch
< 1428066939 387915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC simple? what heresy is this?
< 1428066973 131959 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, right?!
< 1428067300 615047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest24483: you are fooling no one hth
< 1428067472 448789 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi there
< 1428067472 839579 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: gah. i've inadvertently gone and added another project to my ever-increasing list. so there's really no difference between eof and), respectively, too.)
< 1428067489 702425 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I feel your pain
< 1428067489 839323 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: maybe ' bureaucracy' isn't the opposite of partial? fnord?
< 1428067502 153585 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that's an interesting thought
< 1428067502 156789 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's just not the ants.
< 1428067507 913532 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :creepy.
< 1428068171 518392 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1428068566 474848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: sorry, let me try that again...
< 1428068839 683565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428069091 748319 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do your people celebrate easter?
< 1428069092 5425 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: gah. paul graham you program form the bottom up instead of top down...
< 1428069152 415646 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're better than a magic 8ball
< 1428069152 610691 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and it isn't available in debian. debian is known at run-time, but the meta-language in which macros are your fnord bits?
< 1428069166 34514 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: and almost as mysterious
< 1428069166 267485 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: omg c++ rox0rz rofl rofl!!! i want a programming language
< 1428069244 271057 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428069487 355456 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1428069781 309776 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428069813 164272 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428069890 418106 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1428069903 414629 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1428070349 189480 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428070941 851939 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1428070941 890222 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1428071002 50412 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428071145 443486 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how are you doing?
< 1428071145 843208 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you've all seen it, always building the answer up is much more
< 1428071212 949599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's on a roll
< 1428071213 80684 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: machinecode is where it's at
< 1428071215 387991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the most recent girl genius seems to indicate that some time has passed since the battle with the beast
< 1428071223 223893 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Perhaps at some point, when people tended to reuse parchment after scraping the letters off, some monk thought it a good idea to mark the psalms he needed saved, as "do not destroy"?
< 1428071300 775080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah well, you know sparks
< 1428071304 654569 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the mark just got copied from copy to copy, until the reason was lost 
< 1428071306 164809 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's probably less than a week
< 1428071312 964939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1428071346 678163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: this is the bible though, i somehow doubt they'd scribble in it?
< 1428071347 997143 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sparks are involved, progress can go quickly
< 1428071355 391709 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how long did building the swinecopter-driven sleigh take, you think?
< 1428071373 255544 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and she did that all almost by herself
< 1428071373 965808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 minutes? :P
< 1428071381 803528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe an hour
< 1428071406 198824 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm... my aunt writes notes all over her bible, but i can see how in the era of handwritten books that mght be frownedupon
< 1428071418 355406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but in this case, the monks are also working on it, presumably not as fast
< 1428071421 770020 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428071438 275096 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know, she has some serious help there
< 1428071447 703639 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and some of those monks are sparky too
< 1428071463 421485 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and the monks are REALLY GOOD at trains
< 1428071537 525202 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether Martellus is helping
< 1428071568 387557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1428071615 729207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least a few days though, i'd say, they've had time to calm down some.
< 1428071640 8748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say 3 days and move on :)
< 1428071650 289801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, gil initially expected them to have gone already.
< 1428071657 527519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE
< 1428071713 176078 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean there still was smoke outside, presumably indicating leftovers from the carnage
< 1428071780 163946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1428071831 124192 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically, very little meat was involved... huh)
< 1428071871 874942 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I evn bother putting "2 years Matlab experience" on my resume?
< 1428071884 253271 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone outside of academia use it?
< 1428072287 186896 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun site... http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/matlab.do
< 1428072348 4229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Matlab is about as popular as R, according to that site.
< 1428072404 280461 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought that many of the toolboxes that Mathworks sells are not really made for academia but for real-life engineering and data analysis tasks.
< 1428072422 699982 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have virtually no personal Matlab experience.
< 1428072453 585611 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, so my time struggling to work with it in various courses was not wasted. Awsome
< 1428072627 489003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the same impression, that it does see real-life use.
< 1428072639 656264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Something like Mathematica possibly rather less so?)
< 1428072676 659446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used Matlab outside of an academic context, but that's a pretty small sampling of jobs.
< 1428072697 468676 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used Matlab inside an academic context ;)
< 1428072754 365504 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428072761 187026 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm writing my resume in LaTeX... I wonder if anyone will recognize the Computer Modern font on my resume
< 1428072814 613823 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "We have a special paper bin for resumes written in LaTeX." )
< 1428072831 66202 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428072839 385701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want recognizability, Comic Sans would be a good choice.
< 1428072853 518982 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol.
< 1428072897 658344 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone here played typerider and read the history of comic sans?
< 1428072971 329343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot the colon. (But I haven't played it.)
< 1428073010 307017 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Batch14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42277 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+24) 10redirect to "Batch file"
< 1428073028 247482 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sorry, the colon got stuck in the middle of a level.
< 1428073171 362192 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[02MuFuck10]] to [[ΜFuck]]
< 1428073262 326353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[02ΜFuck10]] to [[MuFuck]] over redirect
< 1428074143 838450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Μ
< 1428074179 369341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+039C GREEK CAPITAL LETTER MU]
< 1428074182 980186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so
< 1428074226 118846 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way to confuse people.
< 1428074254 417154 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly Latin should be the one and only alphabet ;-)
< 1428074291 169617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10moved [[02MuFuck10]] to [[ΜFuck]] over redirect: It's a good idea but needs a little change...
< 1428074399 592805 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Clearly if unicode did Han unification they should, for the sake of fairness, do Phoenician Unification as well
< 1428074401 57813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ΜFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42284&oldid=42282 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-2) 10Different template, also bold
< 1428074407 809690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing with µ and μ is pretty bad.
< 1428074431 18264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode μ
< 1428074432 22504 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+03BC GREEK SMALL LETTER MU]
< 1428074437 930551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you mean: ΜΦυκ
< 1428074459 883500 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :th other one is the micro symbol for iupac
< 1428074476 726897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I can only easily type µ, not μ.
< 1428074505 134617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Heт
< 1428074523 105878 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have greek mapped to `x* where x is any latin letter
< 1428074551 928053 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Я не понимаю
< 1428074572 773406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eat at Pectopah, the most popular restaurant chain of the Cyrillic world. (Ресторан.)
< 1428074596 809568 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch.
< 1428074598 605626 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ya ne ponimayu?
< 1428074603 255112 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1428074626 604899 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.
< 1428074631 506448 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does not quite know how to read cyrillic
< 1428074641 12383 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it's the universal phrase, you can say that to anybody, anytime
< 1428074654 724810 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: nye, but close enough
< 1428074676 759331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: so how do you write an actual x?
< 1428074686 165806 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode x
< 1428074687 383051 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0078 LATIN SMALL LETTER X]
< 1428074693 533712 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the key x
< 1428074700 694618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1428074708 285890 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ah, not a trick question)
< 1428074708 596291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that an actual *
< 1428074734 41139 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps an actual `
< 1428074734 424227 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428074736 825216 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan the ` is part of the sequence, and `` makes a `
< 1428074748 897500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1428074770 163766 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428074773 781473 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ѥ
< 1428074774 781678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0465 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER IOTIFIED E]
< 1428074781 699484 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen that one (except in gucharmap)
< 1428074850 195362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye ye ye
< 1428074864 788630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds redundant
< 1428074920 981662 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably an old character they need for historic works... like ゑ
< 1428074949 220810 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a hiragana 'we' )
< 1428074994 803479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :airplane crashing in the mountains
< 1428075005 344272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :again?
< 1428075020 259739 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just freely interpreting ゑ
< 1428075031 599329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1428075042 834103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to catch up on recent changes before it slips off the 30 day limit
< 1428075069 217782 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which 30 day limit, what, huh, stop changing the subject!
< 1428075114 272144 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, on the wiki, I guess.
< 1428075222 197001 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1428075583 157962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1428075684 434675 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1428075702 250948 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02Talk:QWERTY Keyboard Dot Language10]]": content was: "xd" (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/80.222.241.129|80.222.241.129]]")
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< 1428075821 74364 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02Talk:JSFuck10]]": content was: "new Array().filter(callbackfn[, thisArg])" (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Esowiki201529A|Esowiki201529A]]")
< 1428075997 46415 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02Batch file10]]": Not esoteric
< 1428076029 752620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to be brutal today
< 1428076224 219555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02Batch10]]": Redirect to deleted page
< 1428076529 856056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428076531 221336 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02ArrayZ10]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "'''ArrayZ''' is a [[brainfuck]]-derived [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:GeorgeEpicGen]] in 2014 to serve one purpose only: to be as short-hand and confusing as possible. It was created over the course ..."
< 1428076746 27371 :Guest24483!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait where was the author request
< 1428076757 894864 :Guest24483!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1428076812 328630 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:SuperJedi22414]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42285&oldid=42158 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+51) 10unsigned, hoping I got time zone right
< 1428076838 339581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest24483: in the edit summary for the blanking
< 1428076844 736501 :Guest24483!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I saw
< 1428077081 851503 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1428077131 716607 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ReThue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42286&oldid=42165 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+17) 10wikify, not a good URL
< 1428077144 117745 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428077360 350369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid clicking noise from the ventilation system seems to be insisting on returning today
< 1428077373 716865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's always been _occasionally_ like this.)
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< 1428077427 762043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Should be going soon
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< 1428078995 224590 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
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< 1428080289 231959 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ReThue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42287&oldid=42286 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-18) 10Fixed source/
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< 1428082076 568508 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: grab the attitude adjustment tool
< 1428082585 233253 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Isaacg1 5*  10New user account
< 1428082783 308077 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42288&oldid=40981 5* 03Isaacg1 5* (+65) 10
< 1428082829 901679 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42289&oldid=42288 5* 03Isaacg1 5* (+57) 10/* External resources */
< 1428082947 250727 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42290&oldid=42289 5* 03Isaacg1 5* (-3232) 10/* Documentation */
< 1428083358 608874 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest24483: yes, it's part of an april fool's joke
< 1428083385 57910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is an april fools joke esolang any different from a regular esolang
< 1428083400 77092 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it different from a regular joke esolang?
< 1428083480 313493 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014 hello
< 1428083481 706569 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428083484 746666 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015 hello
< 1428083488 871918 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428083505 426179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2014
< 1428083506 391776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1428083508 374498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2015
< 1428083510 721070 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1428083526 503564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, 2015 is a language that /doesn't/ work in 2015?
< 1428083538 135443 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently
< 1428083662 219727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's interesting in another way
< 1428083667 326831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think http://esolangs.org/wiki/2014 is better
< 1428084418 357071 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428085619 32575 :stuntaneous_a!~stuntaneo@203-214-158-46.perm.iinet.net.au QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1428086969 34546 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Time Out14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42291&oldid=42252 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+61) 10
< 1428086972 365474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the problem with trying to do FM synth in .XM is that you cannot have a modulator envelope independent from the note frequency.
< 1428087177 304481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except for having multiple samples, I suppose, but even then it is not exact unless you do it for each note!!)
< 1428087892 380917 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428088396 656281 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
< 1428088401 849433 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have just been alerted, by the appearance of a procession outside, that there is a holiday today.
< 1428088473 70183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it is Good Friday today
< 1428088664 511319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you know these kind of thing?
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< 1428088798 741807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1428089019 960380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, Rust 1 beta
< 1428089089 187047 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I generally lose track of time when I'm really busy 
< 1428089223 94414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone (who is an atheist) asked me, why is it good (if Jesus is dead)? I said, it is good because you don't have to go to work.
< 1428089248 130773 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... maybe it
< 1428089257 570921 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is like "god friday"?
< 1428089278 607007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, possibly
< 1428089342 239056 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION afk, getting cotton candy
< 1428089768 445183 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1428089882 651732 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Christian teaching is that Jesus' death is the punishment for humanity's sin. So by the crucixion, the faithful's sins are absolved and they do not need to suffer the punishments themselves
< 1428089979 912108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes I know that.
< 1428090107 487117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think if it is good because sometimes you don't have to go to work!
< 1428090248 55466 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back bitches
< 1428090329 252684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people doubt Jesus's existence. Some others believe he existed but was not resurrected. I am of the latter, but still must say I don't know for sure (I am no historian!); however I also believe that it is pretty irrelevant for today other than as a historical study; the stories were written and now they exist, and they contain a lot of stuff.
< 1428090370 670413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do good works and you can do prayer and meditation and spirituality and whatever regardless of how accurate the Gospels are.
< 1428090406 593668 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428090438 16330 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's people who believe Jesus was buried in Shingou village, in Aomori Prefecture, Japan.
< 1428090480 313307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that seems unlikely to me, but of course I don't know.
< 1428090499 385612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would he be in Japan?
< 1428090553 580361 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/GraveSign.jpg
< 1428090561 777268 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of stuff but nothing saying *why* Japan.
< 1428090581 823034 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japan is one hell of a long way away from Judea.
< 1428090590 920407 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Judaea
< 1428090627 442434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's why it seems so unlikely to me.
< 1428090674 795923 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there's also people who believe that he was in North America when he was thought to be dead
< 1428090693 172855 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1428090701 63470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how unlikely a statement has to be before /nobody/ believes it
< 1428090716 576970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, it seems likely that such a statement exists
< 1428090729 322218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alternative is for some set of people to exist who collectively believe everything
< 1428090759 408925 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428090827 917828 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1428090853 788706 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Nothing is false"
< 1428090893 632279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I guess someone believing that either believes everything, or fails at logic
< 1428090949 888841 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though unlikely for humans, there hypothetically could exist minds that don't accept modus ponens...
< 1428090960 315064 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1428090965 116699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are various hypotheses as to what actually happened; some say the body was stolen, although even such people disagree as to how or why. The most likely scneario to me seems that his family took it to bury it in the family tomb and didn't tell anyone since it wasn't important.
< 1428091030 57166 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: My belief is just that it's unlikely any individual person would be all that recognizable as "Jesus" from that time period.
< 1428091070 811498 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if there is in fact a "Jesus" from Nazareth it seems rather unlikely said person's life much resembles the myth.
< 1428091103 560307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read somewhere that the Jesus Seminar considers that the amount of resemblance is approx. 20%
< 1428091119 705739 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1428091121 558867 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think it's fairly likely such a person existed.
< 1428091151 190499 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A prophet is just a cult leader that people never stopped listening to
< 1428091173 378300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I tried out the fisheye thing too, since you told me about it.
< 1428091181 355262 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's particularly weird some of the various omissions from records that, nevertheless, include other figures that people associate with Jesus...
< 1428091203 29975 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for instance, both John the Baptist and the apostle Paul are *quite* well attested.)
< 1428091214 776583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own belief (although I must say I cannot be certain of anyy of this) is that Jesus of Nazareth probably did exist and was a Great Prophet. I do not believe in a final Great Prophet, though (even though most organized religion seems to)
< 1428091258 110049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The projection kind of makes this riverside view look like a lake, with the opposite shore being an isle.
< 1428091260 443799 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But alas, I don't have a time machine.
< 1428091273 130033 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piecing shit together from sparse records is a tricky thing. :)
< 1428091288 383943 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Most organized religion doesn't actually believe that there is a "final" prophet
< 1428091294 401510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither do I, and furthermore I am not a historian, so I cannot do it as good as real historians anyways.
< 1428091313 760902 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: That tends to be common in Christian belief in particular, though.
< 1428091322 435865 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming one doesn't count the Pope as a prophet.
< 1428091328 990513 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but that is because Jesus is not, in Christian belief, a prophet.
< 1428091335 11331 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1428091344 691487 :barrucadu!~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428091375 350742 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is quite specifically a divine being of some sort in that belief system. (precisely which sort depends on sect)
< 1428091404 187933 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1428091423 785500 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is a prophet in Islam, though.
< 1428091448 783040 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Baha'i.
< 1428091511 781801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a divine being of some sort does not seem to imply not being a prophet, as far as I can tell, though.
< 1428091581 226165 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: true, but "$RELIGION accepts $DUDE as a prophet -> Baha'i accepts $DUDE as a prophet" :P
< 1428091587 685052 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: :)
< 1428091778 996428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Are you sure about that?
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< 1428092066 67195 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no
< 1428092071 801561 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was facetious
< 1428092273 134308 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back bitches again
< 1428092299 65443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest61975: Explain!
< 1428092315 185959 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw you, your legs will go POOF!
< 1428092328 325118 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Poofs*
< 1428092412 509406 :Guest61975!~magician@178.161.120.34 PART :#esoteric
< 1428092591 529278 :Guest43464!~magician@178.161.120.34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428092598 885309 :Guest43464!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back again!
< 1428092605 352086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1428092634 489459 :Guest43464!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw you! that's why!
< 1428092720 474399 :Guest43464!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway
< 1428092725 828523 :Guest43464!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone heard of art magick?
< 1428092733 489798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have not.
< 1428092770 800485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I doubt others here have or care much either, but, I don't know. I don't really care much either though.)
< 1428092837 962720 :Guest43464!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What interests you zzo38
< 1428092843 89008 :Guest43464!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanna talk about it?
< 1428092917 663608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care what you wish to talk about though, but if you ask, well, I have studied many things, but I am interested in mathematics, and do much computer programming to.
< 1428092965 383431 :Guest43464!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interresting
< 1428092972 463917 :Guest43464!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do speak about mathematics
< 1428093032 699471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have much to say right now though
< 1428093036 714563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest43464: you are acting oddly like Eliza…
< 1428093103 656066 :Guest43464!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest43464 knows that it is suspicious but he doesn't know who the hell that is
< 1428093143 753648 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is possible they merely made a mistake and he wasn't completely dead when they put him in the tomeb
< 1428093159 489635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I did consider that possibility too
< 1428093173 859792 :Guest43464!~magician@178.161.120.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously is that guy Misao Okawa?
< 1428093218 356492 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misao Okawa was the oldest woman in the world until she died a few days ago
< 1428093224 423177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have one thing to say about logic too, which is that in my opinion, logic is a math, and reasoning is the application of logic; some consider logic and reasoning to be the same thing but I do not.
< 1428093463 127938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what your opinion about these things are.
< 1428093939 757024 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my course "knowledge representation and reasoning" we learned different "logics" including "propositional logic" and "first-order logic"; and then we also learned different processes of "reasoning" which take a set of logical statements and produce a new one from them.
< 1428093982 104182 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So sort of "logic" is the language and "reasoning" is the runtime?
< 1428094088 115988 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1428094176 840318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's the course? I haven't heard of that course either
< 1428094199 399729 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428094869 908313 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I dunno if they have that course at other universities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_representation_and_reasoning
< 1428096654 931680 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this is a nice thought... a self-driving car could avoid parking tickets.
< 1428096696 44581 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently Tesla produced an April fool's video which embedded this idea.)
< 1428096756 678103 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. April's fool's video. April's fool video. Glad this grammatical swamp will be irrelevant for the next 360 days.
< 1428096884 23847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the idea is that if the time parked is about to expire, it drives off without its owner?
< 1428096963 181146 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, or perhaps even later, when a parking enforcement officer approaches.
< 1428097007 532257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter would be dangerous; in the UK, most parking enforcement's done via CCTV nowadays
< 1428097081 921399 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but that's a technical detail. I'm picturing a scene in a movie: the officer approaches the car, trying to affix the ticket; the car backs away... It's completely unrealistic, but hilarious.
< 1428097109 367294 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Useless too because then the license plate information will already have been taken down.)
< 1428097184 580854 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ultimately, the car, surrounded by traffic enforcement personnel, would sprout wings and fly away.)
< 1428097838 824468 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1428097845 519232 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1428098398 517180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428098635 595066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> Someone (who is an atheist) asked me, why is it good (if Jesus is dead)? I said, it is good because you don't have to go to work. <-- that also confused me once.  in norwegian it's called the equivalent of "long friday" instead.
< 1428098707 356497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is suddenly tempted to ban Guest*!*
< 1428098743 384272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially that pesky Guest24483 
< 1428098792 155432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you seem to have guest their secret identity
< 1428098851 390354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to find some kryptonite...
< 1428098853 939664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like some of these constraint things ought to be filed as separate GHC tickets.
< 1428098862 668271 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I'm not very Christian. Good Friday is a day of mourning, but also a day of hope?!
< 1428098894 308928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the first part is only in the morning
< 1428098898 196929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it was pretty much explained in the logs, i was just commenting on the naming
< 1428098909 399651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Good.
< 1428098939 530779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have the tradition on Good Friday to not eat meat, but still eat fish and chips. (I do not consider myself a Christian either though.)
< 1428098961 651062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: happy passover, or something
< 1428098998 512732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Passover is on Saturday; it says so on my calendar.
< 1428099015 798484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is also Holy Saturday)
< 1428099056 206187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going by wikipedia's main page, also i believe jewish days start at sunset.
< 1428099083 942043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may of course be too early, pesky time zones.
< 1428099117 377204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Saturday morning.
< 1428099143 890189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, friday evening
< 1428099164 316254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess we have saturday morning here, sort of
< 1428099170 387035 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders where oerjan is right now.
< 1428099177 81747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway hth
< 1428099182 90338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just past midnight
< 1428099188 458703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you already agreed, sort of.
< 1428099269 837220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to test which i don't think will work with the new system
< 1428099371 325510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: forall a. Typeable a => Proxy a -> TypeRep; f _ = typeOf (Proxy :: Proxy a)
< 1428099372 586313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <no location info>:
< 1428099372 730342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     not an expression: ‘let f :: forall a. Typeable a => Proxy a -> TypeRep;...
< 1428099377 21322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1428099401 331469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: forall a. Typeable a => Proxy a -> TypeRep; f _ = typeOf (Proxy :: Proxy a) in f (Proxy Ord)
< 1428099402 670101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope: data constructor ‘Ord’
< 1428099402 711199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you meant variable ‘ord’ (imported from Data.Char)
< 1428099408 403439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1428099412 962227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: forall a. Typeable a => Proxy a -> TypeRep; f _ = typeOf (Proxy :: Proxy a) in f (Proxy :: Proxy Ord)
< 1428099414 50566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Could not deduce (Typeable Proxy) arising from a use of ‘typeOf’
< 1428099414 220135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     from the context (Typeable a)
< 1428099414 221395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       bound by the type signature for
< 1428099419 26881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1428099440 78905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just download ghc 7.10 hth
< 1428099449 602935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm waiting for the platform
< 1428099452 16312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used the Haskell platform for years.
< 1428099463 329389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess it's a bigger hassle on Windows.
< 1428099504 702854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it cannot deduce Typeable (Proxy a) from Typeable a  when the kind is polymorphic
< 1428099536 410131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, i don't think you can get the kindRep for k from the dictionary for Typeable (a::k) at all
< 1428099542 429124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The error is pretty confusing.
< 1428099562 266025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy Proxy)
< 1428099563 906128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Typeable Proxy)
< 1428099563 906731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       (maybe you haven't applied enough arguments to a function?)
< 1428099563 906786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       arising from a use of ‘typeRep’
< 1428099587 958075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1428099604 932720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just kind not defaulting
< 1428099620 20736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you expect it to default?
< 1428099632 365719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: * -> *))
< 1428099633 697748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Proxy
< 1428099647 100863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought, if the programming language can be made which is using RDF as the input format, and which includes macros, aspect programming, logic programming, and may be made in such a way to be suitable it can implement the rules and cards of Magic: the Gathering and other similar games.
< 1428099653 637569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but in my example the kind is known
< 1428099670 127247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with many things figured at compile-time
< 1428099734 405115 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428099928 10834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k HList
< 1428099928 977209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘HList’
< 1428099966 179620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1428099967 561581 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1428100032 529471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why is the kind known in your case?
< 1428100034 466262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let pt :: forall a. Typeable a => Proxy a -> TypeRep; pt _ = typeOf (Proxy :: Proxy a)
< 1428100035 440526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:186:8:
< 1428100035 545654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Could not deduce (Typeable Proxy) arising from a use of ‘typeOf’
< 1428100035 546370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     from the context (Typeable a)
< 1428100051 378739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because the type is known
< 1428100112 534361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually
< 1428100125 461295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let pt :: forall a. Typeable a => Proxy a -> TypeRep; pt x = typeOf x
< 1428100126 462470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:186:8:
< 1428100126 464010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Could not deduce (Typeable Proxy) arising from a use of ‘typeOf’
< 1428100126 464059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     from the context (Typeable a)
< 1428100138 957350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely
< 1428100142 514568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t typeOf
< 1428100143 835179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typeable a => a -> TypeRep
< 1428100168 638814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: get ghci 7.10.1 installed already
< 1428100173 888491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let pt :: forall a. Typeable a => Proxy a -> TypeRep; pt = typeOf
< 1428100174 739292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:183:6:
< 1428100174 832220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Could not deduce (Typeable Proxy) arising from a use of ‘typeOf’
< 1428100174 832941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     from the context (Typeable a)
< 1428100186 86430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm also demonstrating :(
< 1428100189 135444 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least use private messages
< 1428100198 175392 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're demonstrating lack of restraint
< 1428100205 456295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DARE YOU
< 1428100214 665491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeOf :: Typeable a => Proxy a -> TypeRep -- is also the same error hth
< 1428100225 683873 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1428100279 393670 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a funny one though, this works in ghci...
< 1428100310 893031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: without PolyKinds, i assume?
< 1428100311 176540 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k () :: Constraint
< 1428100312 222149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constraint
< 1428100319 118110 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah there's that...
< 1428100327 59046 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1428100687 104716 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://sprunge.us/Yhdd   sheds a bit more light on this. But now it's full of shadows.
< 1428100821 250786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the reason, as i suspect it, is that the new typeable solver doesn't try to transfer kind information at all; in fact TypeRep for the type a doesn't necessarily contain enough information to deduce its kind without access to compiler data.
< 1428100843 449985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's designed such that type application works, but little more.
< 1428100868 31776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g.
< 1428100871 761148 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it goes deeper to the foundations. You cannot talk about a type `a` without knowing its kind first. So ghc invents a context k :: BOX => for pt's type.
< 1428100912 488349 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Nah, there's no contradiction there.
< 1428100952 505394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the foundations don't prevent you from hypothetically making a TypeRep that _does_ contain the necessary information.
< 1428100959 602526 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want something like  class Kindable k => Typeable (a :: k), and ghc doesn't do it that way.
< 1428100964 770912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1428100975 375596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least something that fakes it
< 1428100999 962970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what i discussed with Richard Eisenberg in the trac with test cases
< 1428101039 401565 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1428101041 194489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess if no one has made code that was actually broken by this...
< 1428101067 718871 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The downside, perhaps, is that this would have to be explicit in the TypeRep that the Typeable class instances carry?
< 1428101095 764669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess mixing Typeable with code kind polymorphic enough to need this is not happening
< 1428101110 641049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i could imagine something with DataKinds)
< 1428101133 869015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well yeah, you'd need a representation of the _whole_ kind
< 1428101159 105485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just the core kind parameters
< 1428101206 266266 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION *yawn*
< 1428101252 188248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: go to bed hth
< 1428101261 487233 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I need to book a train ticket!
< 1428101284 209122 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then like put my duvet cover on my duvet
< 1428101285 275417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need to wait until after midnight to do it?
< 1428101295 927831 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1428101301 913759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for stupid price reasons?
< 1428101324 486534 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm doing it now
< 1428101329 432465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1428101330 553022 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just procrastinating
< 1428101339 139714 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now it is suddenly the last minute
< 1428101343 334515 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does such things for "I can still do this when I'm too tired to do all this other more interesting stuff" reasons.
< 1428101372 454603 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has booked train ticket
< 1428101378 744909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make sure you got the date correct!
< 1428101402 362093 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late now!
< 1428101434 474917 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started to type this before you announced it was already done. So I had a "get" there initially.
< 1428101438 846391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls the time he had ordered a train ticket for the day after the DST change
< 1428101468 709698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, DST ... *twiddles with watch*
< 1428101482 903890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you're a number of days late...
< 1428101489 218305 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'll wait 5 more minutes so it doesn't affect the date
< 1428101515 591956 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know. I hardly ever look at my pocket watch, and then usually only to check whether I have to run for the bus.
< 1428101560 47488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time i took the bus i made the mistake of looking at the bus table i'd got by mail
< 1428101577 784487 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "pocket" watch is a wrist watch without the bands)
< 1428101622 823382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not remembering that they'd had a major budgeting scandal and had had to downsize everything.  so the bus schedule i was going to take had been canceled.
< 1428101632 540017 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1428101665 6034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately i didn't miss my appointment.
< 1428101846 781377 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, 1 am now on that watch
< 1428101873 699768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a bit fast. that's healthy since ... I'm using it to check whether I have to run for buses and the buses tend to be a bit early ;-) )
< 1428102066 925590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to make sure it's not late, but i don't compensate for anyone else being early
< 1428102167 749298 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1428102171 543496 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My train is at 10:53
< 1428102183 652601 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a 40 minute walk to the station, but I want to stop at the shops on the way
< 1428102195 529236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so go to bed now.
< 1428102217 737120 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember Taneb's time zone
< 1428102223 241232 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time taneb
< 1428102224 118581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Taneb is Sat Apr  4 00:05:42
< 1428102234 889464 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I probably want to leave before 10
< 1428102238 695624 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably closer to half 9
< 1428102252 810208 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( half past 9? )
< 1428102258 293173 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1428102262 586219 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is used to halb 9 meaning 8:30.
< 1428102275 909849 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dito
< 1428102281 718042 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "half 9" meaning half past nine is a British thing
< 1428102285 8343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh german is like norwegian then
< 1428102285 733052 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(German speakers are not in agreement about this.)
< 1428102290 587851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1428102304 259647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was taught that in German, "halb 9" meant 8:30
< 1428102305 891772 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1428102307 4407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an English speaker
< 1428102308 926746 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does
< 1428102312 104813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, in English "half 9" would always be 9:30
< 1428102323 71765 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :halb 9 in germany is 8:30
< 1428102347 929109 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's worse about viertel (quarter) 9 and dreiviertel 9 (three quarter 9) meaning 8:15 and 8:45; many states prefer the viertel vor/viertel nach (quarter to/quarter past) versions.)
< 1428102350 162510 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I am told that is more a British thing rather than something agreed upon throughout the anglosphere
< 1428102359 471167 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/about/with/
< 1428102385 58322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: English English, then
< 1428102385 146440 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think "um 1" is more interesting
< 1428102395 618853 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The logical explanation is that this says how much of the 9th hour has passed.)
< 1428102405 303465 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: same explanation
< 1428102408 684985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost sure it's the same in the rest of the UK, and I think it's the same in the US too
< 1428102415 36891 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are regions where it is exactly 13:00 and others where it id around 13:00
< 1428102445 740165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it'd just as likely be 1am
< 1428102447 137813 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: ah. Ok, for the regions where this means exactly 13:00, that's the point where the 1st hour has passed. (ist um).
< 1428102468 400036 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm used to that meaning.)
< 1428102487 645451 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The other is "gegen 1")
< 1428102542 454702 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"um 1" is meant as "um 1 rum" in the second
< 1428102556 979126 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to go to bed now
< 1428102558 857789 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1428102568 357567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dol um ber ist
< 1428102582 686309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have a safe trip
< 1428102597 685485 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you
< 1428102611 528458 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm literally going to the next city over to play D&D)
< 1428102612 797947 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, the funniest thing is that there are three things that are called pfannkuchen, depending on the region
< 1428102622 948407 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: don't die ;)
< 1428102646 974442 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try not to kill any GMs either
< 1428102658 242192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Which city is the next over?
< 1428102662 641614 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, Leeds
< 1428102668 875756 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or DMs, whatever.
< 1428102705 932147 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I'll try
< 1428102720 847498 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, (from York)
< 1428102784 907554 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/s/shachaf, I/int-e, I/
< 1428102804 553988 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I must be off
< 1428102807 156725 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight!
< 1428102954 408697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Wordy14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42292&oldid=42171 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-73) 10wikify a bit, also we have our own .Gertrude page
< 1428103264 391399 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taworvor14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42293&oldid=42225 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+10) 10standardifimogrify section name
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< 1428103912 69856 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42294&oldid=42223 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-24) 10wikify a bit, remove some blank lines
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< 1428104271 328965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07~ATH14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42295&oldid=42240 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+9) 10wikify intro, section headers
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< 1428105732 454713 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1428106923 162223 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan
< 1428106928 697973 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :having fun cleaning up?
< 1428106951 317108 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Yoob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42296&oldid=42242 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-38) 10Undo revision 42242 by [[Special:Contributions/5.29.33.254|5.29.33.254]] ([[User talk:5.29.33.254|talk]])
< 1428106962 350426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE
< 1428107139 982680 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Time Out14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42297&oldid=42276 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-26) 10Undo revision 42276 by [[Special:Contributions/Esowiki201529A|Esowiki201529A]] ([[User talk:Esowiki201529A|talk]]) (Wat)
< 1428107449 183216 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02Talk:Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language10]]": content was: "这个正确的名字是“十六进制堆栈式伪汇编语言”" (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Esowiki201529A|Esowiki201529A]]")
< 1428107738 88530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, now i can slack on visiting the wiki for another half month or so
< 1428108605 905559 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428108824 231248 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1428109605 279129 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh I have an unsolved puzzle... write a module that only exports (GHC.Prim.*)
< 1428109630 975970 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you've played with this much more than I have, maybe you know a way?)
< 1428109822 735515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i haven't played with _that_
< 1428109843 502438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly you're the one who showed me how you could import GHC.Prim.* in the first place
< 1428109921 627153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you even write a module that exports (GHC.Prim.*) _plus_ other things?
< 1428109981 928878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would seem that module ... (module GHC.Prim) would have the same problem as Constraint.
< 1428109985 717546 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, by reexporting the whole module
< 1428110000 656244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that works?
< 1428110038 596891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me verify...
< 1428110099 234706 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::browse GHC.Exts ... data (*)
< 1428110156 368211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1428110168 826721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i module M (module GHC.Prim) where import GHC.Prim hiding (...)
< 1428110173 346194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428110207 796795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this has the same issue as Constraint that you've been talkinga bout.
< 1428110209 494054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Constraint doesn't get through that way, at least.
< 1428110209 857832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :about
< 1428110226 217694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it does because otherwise why would you be bringing this up.
< 1428110250 38517 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428110263 583432 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the (*) does not even exist in ghc-7.8
< 1428110301 556457 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so, contrary to what I thought, you probably have not played with it :)
< 1428110303 553933 :mihow!~mihow@50-206-98-70-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1428110304 495438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: um in ghc-7.8 i can see GHC.Prim.*
< 1428110342 720764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GHC.Prim.*) :: BOX
< 1428110343 906037 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm
< 1428110369 227445 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, my testing is flawed.
< 1428110406 406864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, it's in GHC.Prim but (visibly anyway) not reexported from GHC.Exts
< 1428110423 34158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly does BOX do?
< 1428110428 680656 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(\(.*\)) (not)/\2 \1/
< 1428110441 322013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i do module T ((*),Constraint) where import GHC.Prim
< 1428110445 156404 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's superkind, the kind of kinds.
< 1428110453 732831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and :m T (to remove the * before T)
< 1428110466 113906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i can see the Constraint but not the *
< 1428110488 900692 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try that with {-# LANGUAGE NoImplicitPrelude #-} to remove the other (*).
< 1428110504 264655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's the "kind of kinds" in GHC core, you're not supposed to be able to refer to it
< 1428110516 996024 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ghc will complain about not being able to find (*), I think.
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< 1428110543 989457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i tried import Prelude ()
< 1428110548 585004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes that
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< 1428110661 396587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh fancy
< 1428110676 876001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you can export it if you rename it with a type
< 1428110775 399432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh except then it thinks it's a type not a kind
< 1428110786 970006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny though, still with kind BOX
< 1428110787 944128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a type.
< 1428110816 215903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, at least, it's a thing that has a kind.
< 1428110822 909696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k (Proxy :: S -> S)
< 1428110823 834392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘S’
< 1428110823 835069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘S’
< 1428110827 376926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOX also has a kind (BOX)
< 1428110837 716589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives me the error ‘S’ of kind ‘BOX’ is not promotable
< 1428110851 681570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(type S = (GHC.Prim.*))
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< 1428111784 713118 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is what I'm playing with: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/haskell/safe/
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< 1428111996 824888 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess the main purpose of the GHC.Prim.Safe module is to convince myself that it's unmanagable that way.)
< 1428112025 155608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you commenting out coerce?
< 1428112041 994342 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Data.Coerce is the official way to get that one
< 1428112055 674607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1428112069 771737 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm anticipating the export getting deprecated.
< 1428112100 686057 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Data.Coerce is unsafe, hmm.
< 1428112110 324045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are all those unboxed shifts unsafe, even the ones not unchecked* ?
< 1428112111 738685 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is... interesting.
< 1428112127 962124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1428112173 722322 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I suspected that adding primops would open a can of worms. They're probably safe, but look at the Prim_Safe module...
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< 1428112240 146136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess lack of documentation of what _is_ safe is a problem
< 1428112243 98 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The plan was to add primops by replacing GHC.Prim by GHC.Prim.Safe.)
< 1428112264 461316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as enormosity
< 1428112290 31612 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And platform-dependent primops.
< 1428112312 195226 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are more subtle catches like the quot/rem one.
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< 1428112522 523517 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in any case to make it manageable, the information should probably be handled by the primop generator infrastrucure (so the safety information would be in primops.txt.pp, mostly)
< 1428112579 843609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this beautiful file: https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/master/compiler/prelude/primops.txt.pp )
< 1428112899 652230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkay
< 1428113543 97845 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As you can see on #haskell I guess the reason for making Data.Coerce unsafe is that coerce can break abstraction boundaries that SafeHaskell is supposed to preserve, if libraries are not careful enough with the (rather new) type roles.)
< 1428113637 317053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1428113794 59311 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SafeHaskell is somewhat blurry. coerce by itself is type-safe. But what if you have a module like Data.Map with representational key type, and use it to implement a trusted type-polymorphic key-value store? Who is to blame if the user coerces the map to one with a different Ord instance for the key type?)
< 1428113816 127564 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure.
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< 1428118280 589643 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small SNUSP14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42298 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+94) 10Created page with "== example: Infinite loop == <pre> !/\  \/ </pre> == See also == [[SNUSP]] [[Category: No IO]]"
< 1428118366 492715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42299&oldid=42298 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+0) 10
< 1428118618 250119 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42300&oldid=39080 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+18) 10
< 1428118729 188522 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42301&oldid=42299 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+26) 10
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< 1428122943 618668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what program to use to test .XI instruments?
< 1428122964 79249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I can use OpenMPT but it requires too many steps to test it in that way
< 1428123269 540483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also sometimes crashes)
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< 1428137694 870539 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fogleman/nes
< 1428137743 218632 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more rust
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< 1428138868 883248 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it?
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< 1428142123 50680 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very rainy week in switzerland.
< 1428142161 893686 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5500 * 0.7
< 1428142163 238579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3849.9999999999995
< 1428142173 767074 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. I should be able to live off 3.8k CHF
< 1428142279 977604 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 850/3800
< 1428142281 298458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.2236842105263158
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< 1428144128 277184 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( As a rule, conventional wisdom is wrong. )
< 1428144936 553115 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice April's fool, subtle... http://www.vexxarr.com/archive.php?seldate=040115
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< 1428145009 184720 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/VUHSr0JV
< 1428145352 751506 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not delphi though :)
< 1428145955 174491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42303&oldid=42302 5* 03Ais523 5* (-17) 10Undo revision 42302 by [[Special:Contributions/Esowiki201529A|Esowiki201529A]] ([[User talk:Esowiki201529A|talk]]) - I don't think that word means what you think it means
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< 1428149829 500862 :Guest24483!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Small_SNUSP is a good page
< 1428150010 190012 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can hear your sarcastic undertone.
< 1428150581 758930 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42304&oldid=42301 5* 03213.162.68.171 5* (+141) 10Add no description
< 1428150604 607184 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, now everybody should be happy *ducks*
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< 1428153740 468350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there a particular name for a diagonal matrix where all the diagonal elements are equal? (Context: covariance matrix for multivariate Gaussian distribution; I know "spherical" is the term for the resulting distribution, but that's not a generic term for the kind of matrix. In fact, "spherical matrix" seems to be something related to matrix variate distributions.)
< 1428153745 369918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "diagonal Toeplitz matrix" might be technically correct but really silly.
< 1428153801 584699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"scalar matrix"?
< 1428153809 913492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagonal_matrix
< 1428153827 499462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see "scaled identity matrix" in a few places, but that's just a description.
< 1428153827 671965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense (I just found the same page.)
< 1428153834 387025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scaled identity matrix, yes
< 1428153866 577273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even thought it might be "scalar matrix", but for some reason didn't search for it.
< 1428153890 140431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in a sentence like "[matrix] is constrained to be diagonal or scalar" it sounds a bit silly.
< 1428153902 839068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How can it be a scalar if it's a MxM matrix?"
< 1428153912 389614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in a sentence like that, you can just say it's constrained to be diagonal.
< 1428153979 131382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not exactly equivalent. I was trying to say that occasionally it's "more constrained" than just diagonal, if you want even fewer parameters for your distributions.
< 1428154052 36924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's not too bad to say 'scalar'.
< 1428154052 487640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... is constrained to be diagonal (or even scalar).
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< 1428154085 144806 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ----### oerjan for swatting too much.
< 1428154113 273800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your swatter's too short hth
< 1428154125 77484 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a practice swatter
< 1428154129 876232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits int-e with the saucepan ===\__/
< 1428154139 35164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can say that all its eigenvalues are equal or something silly like that.
< 1428154145 263172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1428154151 352980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 06:31. Good time to go to sleep.
< 1428154166 771106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about when i went to sleep
< 1428154183 35790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now look at you, hitting people with saucepans
< 1428154216 322849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that escalated quickly.
< 1428154231 712672 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drops a lift cabin on oerjan, for sake of the pun.
< 1428154240 393087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i was considering that
< 1428154428 420082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> oh nice April's fool, subtle... http://www.vexxarr.com/archive.php?seldate=040115 <-- oh so that's what it was.  i was following the links from freefall but couldn't find _any_ april fool comics in the others.
< 1428154460 819359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait there was one
< 1428154479 584738 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428154483 344601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a meta one, where the joke was that there was no april 1 comic
< 1428155131 570536 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the brilliancy is, until the next Vexxar comic is published, it could actually be true.
< 1428155200 523899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: except that after a decade of comics it'd be rather strange to pull a "it was all just a dream" trope.
< 1428155294 912476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think
< 1428155322 638522 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said
< 1428155340 990279 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant.
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< 1428162882 512059 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1428162883 389423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 041544Z 34009KT 1 1/2SM -SN BKN012 OVC020 M04/M08 A2975 RMK SN3SC3SC2 SLP078
< 1428162890 397921 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
< 1428162890 603258 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: have you considered just using ( list " hi there! say, what would he reply?
< 1428162912 9072 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, I didn't consider what you would reply.
< 1428162912 299677 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: telling jokes, looking stupid or just generally to squares, or whatever... " i've done a lot of
< 1428162933 472507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you relieved, fungot?
< 1428162933 594062 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: lazy k is done.
< 1428162937 226717 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
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< 1428163587 350758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh goody
< 1428163587 576662 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ummm...i dont know. they were very prompt about putting it on the web
< 1428163592 547465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1428163593 42388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 041550Z 04006KT 9999 SCT023 BKN040 08/03 Q1024 NOSIG
< 1428163614 878399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1428163640 125550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you saying they put it on the web too fast, and it's not really done yet? 
< 1428163640 278829 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just a tic. laundry.
< 1428163647 523066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Okay, take your time.
< 1428163647 766877 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's that one song...? :p. ugh i need to generate it, not official.
< 1428163663 599457 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, the whole episode
< 1428163663 668254 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: or something like that. complain complain complain. but it's easier. and no one wants to do a
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< 1428164107 923860 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ
< 1428164108 181950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 041600Z 29013G19KT 250V310 15SM BKN045 03/M08 A3009 RMK CU7 SLP196
< 1428164179 265735 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiziello. helloren.
< 1428164199 600626 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas too!
< 1428164208 280831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
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< 1428164499 943415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jellona" is a humorous/"cute" term for a lion in Finnish.
< 1428164506 82353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jellona
< 1428164526 948892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By way of mangling from leijona.)
< 1428164584 318940 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is leijona related to Nepeta Leijon?
< 1428164609 674194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wondered about that.
< 1428164618 782592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know.
< 1428164655 540019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- Leijon is taken from the surname of Anna-Greta Leijon, who was a Swedish Minister of Immigration in 1976 and victim of a kidnapping plot dubbed Operation Leo. The Swedish word lejon ("leijon" is the archaic spelling) means "lion", and is pronounced LAY-on. Also, the Finnish word for lion is leijona."
< 1428164691 578801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks mspa wiki
< 1428164694 499488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, mspa wiki. Tha wiki.
< 1428164700 27831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tha wiki.
< 1428166003 403395 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god
< 1428166014 624195 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot it's 4th of april already
< 1428166067 13746 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, nevermind, it's 13th of april I'm waiting for
< 1428166074 950522 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 more days to go
< 1428166127 538569 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreelloFull. what's happening on that Fateful Day?
< 1428166194 803385 :Lautner!~lautner@cable-24-135-182-163.dynamic.sbb.rs JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428166274 202449 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rello Lautner
< 1428166277 31047 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rello: not found
< 1428166286 476343 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Lautner
< 1428166300 967719 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06Lautner: 13Welcome 04to 07the 08international 09hub 02for 06esoteric 13programming 04language 07design 08and 09deployment! 02For 06more 13information, 04check 07out 08our 09wiki: 02<http://esolangs.org/>. 06(For 13the 04other 07kind 08of 09esoterica, 02try 06#esoteric 13on 04irc.dal.net.)
< 1428166303 195255 :Lautner!~lautner@cable-24-135-182-163.dynamic.sbb.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey 
< 1428166309 578907 :Lautner!~lautner@cable-24-135-182-163.dynamic.sbb.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the best :D
< 1428166328 986257 :Lautner!~lautner@cable-24-135-182-163.dynamic.sbb.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :whazzuuup
< 1428166330 39431 :Lautner!~lautner@cable-24-135-182-163.dynamic.sbb.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1428166333 188725 :Lautner!~lautner@cable-24-135-182-163.dynamic.sbb.rs PRIVMSG #esoteric :people
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< 1428167019 465020 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What a cute metathesis.
< 1428167086 585479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks metathesis
< 1428167087 936511 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, metathesis. Thetathesis.
< 1428167100 647423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thetathesis sounds like a particle physics thing.
< 1428167109 139048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: i'm sorry but you were supposed to say Thetamesis tdnh
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< 1428167167 859335 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it makes one wonder how German got “Löwe” from the same source.
< 1428167187 224541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's løve in norwegian hth
< 1428167200 697120 :Lautner!~lautner@cable-24-135-182-163.dynamic.sbb.rs JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428167223 465198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to Kenya, we've got løver.
< 1428167240 219332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The song even refers Norway.
< 1428167259 545377 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Quit: Hugs~ <3
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< 1428167281 753668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From Middle High German lewe, from Old High German leo (both with variants), from Latin leō."
< 1428167309 83040 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Norwegian got it from Middle Low German.
< 1428167317 333433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From Old Swedish leon, from Latin leo."
< 1428167332 334702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it's leo, leonis in latin
< 1428167368 297821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard dropping of -n from nominative
< 1428167430 271720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :borrowed from greek, which had -n everywhere
< 1428167434 792250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, -n-
< 1428167481 765460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or -ν-
< 1428167539 318519 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is “-ν-” a hook-nose emoticon?
< 1428167566 191834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas latin has -us everywhere
< 1428167568 605203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's a greek letter infixed hth
< 1428167578 151773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: um not in that word hth
< 1428167591 248647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lot of them, for sure
< 1428167621 661754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently wiktionary manages to construct the entire greek declension from {{grc-decl-3rd-οντ-prx|form=M-full|λ|έ|ε}}
< 1428167690 460970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Many ancient languages possessed similar words for lion, including Akkadian 𒌨 (labbu) (reconstructed to Proto-Semitic *labiʾ-). It is unclear who borrowed the word from whom, though the ultimate source is likely not Indo-European."
< 1428167703 544847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 𒌨
< 1428167706 734829 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+12328 CUNEIFORM SIGN UR]
< 1428167828 178442 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazingly, I have that font
< 1428167835 103432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't hth
< 1428167874 697321 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428167923 352641 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.imgur.com/5o58LfX.png
< 1428167924 997515 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
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< 1428168635 735291 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Client Quit
< 1428168753 675555 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428169184 750934 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1428170791 703136 :Lautner!~lautner@cable-24-135-182-163.dynamic.sbb.rs JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428171298 495765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProofTechnique: very cuneiform thx
< 1428171303 101980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1428171491 788258 :Lautner!~lautner@cable-24-135-182-163.dynamic.sbb.rs JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428171629 328568 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is there a cuneiform character for chicken twh?
< 1428171629 655820 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hipe iirc is the name of the exception
< 1428171644 823647 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so, no char because of hipe?
< 1428171645 43286 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: once we do the fnord on proton are very fnord don't necessarily have anything on paper about this
< 1428171667 877977 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cuneiform chicken needs subatomic fnords. understood.
< 1428172142 790571 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1428173119 393903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does charmap crash when I try to start it from the command prompt?
< 1428173165 267483 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea. it works fine when  I do it
< 1428173337 284372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works now, after I closed and reopened the command prompt
< 1428173452 819546 :kshdecko!~lautner@cable-24-135-182-163.dynamic.sbb.rs JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428173469 441882 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1428176352 4887 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07!!!Batch14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42305&oldid=39046 5* 0373.184.106.177 5* (+1) 10Fixed typo
< 1428177064 963009 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428178437 875925 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1428180612 881550 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep
< 1428181462 843971 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1428181580 221215 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sgdclvexxgwmndlv NICK :supay_away
< 1428182611 973124 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1428183927 830812 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428184181 37934 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1428184317 30029 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428184419 201101 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an announcement on nethack.org
< 1428185033 349922 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very ominous.
< 1428185052 304962 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 hello! what with the nethack.org announcement from yesterday?
< 1428185052 306384 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1428185065 850688 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 (yesterday being April 3 hth)
< 1428185065 949661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1428185262 833607 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro ping
< 1428186006 314863 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1428186920 93867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428187695 768164 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428188101 637944 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is pubnub...
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< 1428188274 949904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`r13 pubnub
< 1428188275 690203 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: r13: not found
< 1428188282 12149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 pubnub
< 1428188287 405690 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :choaho
< 1428188302 166653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds plausible.
< 1428188318 917945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :funpubs
< 1428188403 58182 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428188515 679571 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another fun big data company. Ostensibly they provide real-time data distribution for web applications, but they also analyze the traffic.
< 1428188546 220637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsanub
< 1428188551 384300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Founded 2010, surely took me a long time to stumble upon them.
< 1428188628 892526 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It seems I could've found them already in late 2013, humblebundle was already one of their customers back then.)
< 1428188645 336190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 humblebundle
< 1428188651 582175 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhzoyrohaqyr
< 1428188680 268614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly a hebrew company
< 1428188696 23085 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 phevbfvgl xvyyrq gur png
< 1428188697 118112 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curiosity killed the cat
< 1428188728 974846 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had not realized that png is rot13 for cat, I woner whether this explains the obsession of the internet with those creatures...)
< 1428188731 981437 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wonder
< 1428188761 311408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :V'Z FXRCGVPNY
< 1428188790 233527 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vs lbh fnl fb...
< 1428188837 736275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :v qb
< 1428188890 275195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next step after learning to read rot13 code is to be able to speak it fluently
< 1428188952 351157 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428188974 826768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyrnfr gryy zr gung lbh'er xvqqvat
< 1428189045 168937 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using cut&paste and `tr` for this)
< 1428189061 222330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say _i_ could do it.  i'm just now disappointed i don't find any youtube videos.
< 1428189082 738352 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how to read rot13 in 26 easy steps"?
< 1428189087 356424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely a proper linguist should have no problems
< 1428189103 326110 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/"/"Learn /
< 1428189119 983086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm learning to read it is of course essentially trivial compared to any unknown natural language
< 1428189135 573750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _aloud_ might take a bit of practice.
< 1428189148 725210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're bilingually czech-georgian.
< 1428189177 25480 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used pubnub for senior project
< 1428189197 842813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i used cut and paste for most of this too
< 1428189200 622670 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't anybody do anything by themselves anymore...
< 1428189276 535636 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was a comment about pubnub.)
< 1428189293 360863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i managed to make out "Vs lbh fnl fb..." without, though.  although i sort of cheated by looking at the above translations.
< 1428189303 979229 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/908/
< 1428189361 183702 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1428189385 232451 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I hear "cloud computing" I picture the data as rain.
< 1428189414 873745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aloud computing
< 1428189430 54107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's just the fans blowin
< 1428189504 928262 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so I learned today that the rot14 of "zem.fi" is "nsa.tw"
< 1428189508 62569 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried.
< 1428189699 455829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zemjoust url_lbh 停止窺探！
< 1428189712 498928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1428189712 610278 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information.
< 1428189713 93716 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>.
< 1428189717 412025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust url_lbh 停止窺探！
< 1428189718 154291 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan.url_lbh: points -30.10, score 3.83, rank 47/47
< 1428189878 138519 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh.  curious how hey rots to url
< 1428189917 220177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :serendipity
< 1428189924 85640 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428189971 835220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: are you a bilingual czech-georgian and can you read rot-13 aloud fluently
< 1428190021 20064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot-13 english, that is.  rot-13 czech is probably easy to pronounce.
< 1428190048 978829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 Strč prst skrz krk
< 1428190054 176694 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fgeč cefg fxem xex
< 1428190064 688049 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xex
< 1428190076 840118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, easier than the original, anyway
< 1428190170 458242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 Mgrvgrvladje
< 1428190171 478813 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zteiteiynqwr
< 1428190180 912964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, holds for georgian too
< 1428190225 25235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes himself in the google result
< 1428190229 29208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Mgrvgrvladje
< 1428190230 271571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Mgrvgrvladje. Thadje.
< 1428190243 189737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, `thanks now works with it
< 1428190322 481411 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1428190323 65987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph google translate doesn't have transcription for georgian
< 1428190344 122485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks спасибо
< 1428190345 143214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, спасибо. T�пасибо.
< 1428190381 794857 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks danke
< 1428190383 133919 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, danke. Thanke.
< 1428190404 479562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm it's possible the "Georgian Latin" virtual keyboard is actual qwerty in disguise
< 1428190408 946098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+ly
< 1428190431 757698 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1428190436 542984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+*ly
< 1428190441 925566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOO he didn't answer
< 1428190448 97191 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no edirc.
< 1428190578 907910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok მგრვგრვლადჯე turns into mgrvgrvladje in GT but no google hits :(
< 1428190612 182725 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1428190629 234384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am slightly troubled by the fact the only mentions i've seen of the name is about how it's the largest number of initial consonants word
< 1428190706 648445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm come to think of it i'm pretty sure i tried to cobble the georgian spelling together from wikipedia's alphabet page once
< 1428190949 532404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: You don't have to be worried unless you live in Taiwan hth
< 1428190974 952918 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, tdsh
< 1428191132 302856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny how georgian letters are completely indecipherable to latin scripters but parts of the alphabet order is clearly related to greek
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< 1428192883 148884 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428194221 770106 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate not having a real computer
< 1428194235 355926 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services
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< 1428194524 149209 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428194885 290121 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1428195095 303473 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: armenian letters are somewhat approximatively related to latin letters, with some graphical concordances (e.g. h and o).
< 1428195112 27565 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoPhone: to which degree isn't your computer real?
< 1428195174 866190 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the degree that the device i am using cannot be used for most of thw things a laptop or desktop can, and to the degree that my laptop s unusable
< 1428195189 195281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alan turing would have loved to have a computer as powerful as SgeoPhone's phone.
< 1428195376 382664 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42306&oldid=42304 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+2) 10
< 1428195378 78628 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, they were not coming out at the time.
< 1428195384 244186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A phone normally doesn't have a full keyboard or a programming environment though; a computer without a keyboard and programming environment isn't a particularly good computer.
< 1428195462 974970 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are programming environments. Just not one that allows creation of programs that are first class citizens on the device
< 1428195471 870180 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as i know
< 1428195516 88996 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42307&oldid=42306 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+360) 10/* Description */
< 1428195522 481669 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1428195536 760236 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428195555 924595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42308&oldid=42307 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (-55) 10/* Description */
< 1428195571 558013 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC keeps disconnecting when i get A call
< 1428195701 889660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny that Esowiki201529A has not removed my link yet...
< 1428195760 23127 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42309&oldid=42308 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+87) 10
< 1428195805 351066 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42310&oldid=42309 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+17) 10
< 1428195833 951738 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1428195847 862073 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428195938 650155 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42311&oldid=42303 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+14) 10I think this word might, though.
< 1428195994 553394 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is Esowiki201529A?
< 1428196035 92978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42312&oldid=42310 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+305) 10
< 1428196047 6116 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42313&oldid=42312 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+1) 10
< 1428196054 124209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some esolanger of dubious taste.
< 1428196154 483213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really shouldn't be in the 2003 category, should it?
< 1428196241 828655 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42314&oldid=42313 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-19) 10Category should be for this article's language only
< 1428196437 807120 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading Andy D's proof from http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=710 that "consistent guessing" is weaker than the halting problem leaves me wondering whether there is any CG-Oracle that is computable given an oracle for the halting problem, and still weaker in that it cannot be used to solve the halting problem...
< 1428196518 379926 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As far as I've followed the construction, I think it would need a Halting oracle for Turing machines with a Halting oracle. Tricky beast, and a tricky proof.)
< 1428196961 519374 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42315&oldid=42314 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+64) 10
< 1428196989 67433 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1428197069 616618 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Small SNUSP14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42316&oldid=42315 5* 03213.162.68.171 5* (-19) 10Remove 2003 category again.
< 1428197348 855062 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dubiousity is steadily increasing.
< 1428197401 398338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to assume it was a race condition.
< 1428197412 829733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS TIME
< 1428197586 848578 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a related note, i don't think my dad knows how time works
< 1428197602 285129 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody does
< 1428197667 998048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*relative note
< 1428197703 951118 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1428197819 212557 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course I took "how time works" at its most fundamental meaning ... where does time come from, and what makes it, so to say, tick?)
< 1428197847 799082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no time...only, there is spacetime.
< 1428197923 931136 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a nicely working theory. Will it work tomorrow? Will there *be* a tomorrow? Or anything besides this instant?
< 1428197950 765230 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries hard to remember what kind of #esoteric channel this place is...
< 1428198026 234828 :SgeoPhone!~androirc@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428198055 653493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is an illusion. lunch-time doubly so.
< 1428198059 237271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*--
< 1428198075 601866 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, the nearest place to eat...
< 1428198136 726939 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think you should've used s/-//, it would be easier to decipher
< 1428198200 456082 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it happens in the very beginning.
< 1428198218 949057 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should reread the whole trilogy another time...
< 1428198260 944629 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wish I would've remembered the reply: "Very deep," said Arthur, "you should send that in to the Reader's Digest. They've got a page for people like you."
< 1428200461 21285 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the Reader's Digest, if only because it helps me forget the moments I was stupidly waiting for my dentist with a discharged cellphone.
< 1428200741 638127 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: CARBONATED CHICKEN
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< 1428201083 665288 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1428201774 856813 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1428202356 544873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's ok, i didn't remember the reply either.
< 1428202403 644059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I meant, if I had remembered, I would have used it on you in some other occasion(s) :)
< 1428202420 526877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1428202443 473936 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in/on/
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< 1428210144 586954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make random number uniform with any given range (0 to N-1), what I have done is you take as many random bits as needed (for the higher or equal power of 2), if it is too big then try again. So if N=3 then you have bits 00,01,10,11 but if 11 you must try again. If you only need a 1/3 probability (and don't need to distinguish between the other two possibilities), then you can optimize this algorithm, and it looks like in Pokemon card that is wha
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< 1428211713 854811 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a naive rejection sampling is not optimal, though; for 1/5 probability you would reject 101 through 111, but adding one bit and adjustement yields further 5/16 probability to finish; compare that with adding 3 bits which will only yield 15/64 probability to finish.
< 1428211888 174424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about the N=3 case and didn't think about the other cases, but I suppose you can optimize it in other ways too
< 1428211948 851607 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for N=3 case that is optimal, of course.
< 1428211960 986836 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(N=2^n+1 is the worst case OTOH)
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< 1428215143 479965 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
< 1428215516 556929 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
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< 1428218216 948308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still the algorithm I specified is the way to generate random 0 to N-1 if N isn't known before this subroutine is called, and I have done in C code and in 6502 code. There might be better way, although I don't know. With a 6502 code you can count how many cycles it requires!
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< 1428226020 600086 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are D10s such a lame shape
< 1428226184 12188 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make a roller die, or a ten sided prism a lot like the d8, Taneb 
< 1428226233 171793 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what do you think of D10s?
< 1428226233 774076 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i just used google image search, even. let*-optionals would be a small icon in tray to sync the clipboards maybe.
< 1428226592 654816 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like those longer d10
< 1428226672 366511 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gmdice.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/1/d10-crystal-oblivion-red.png
< 1428227454 706819 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428228120 975321 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a roller die, myname 
< 1428228130 651410 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :barrle, tumbler?
< 1428228134 481320 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :barrel*
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< 1428239602 23347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://sprunge.us/WCAD looks like it could be suitable for simple processors.
< 1428239864 397744 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fungellot. still trapped?
< 1428239864 530042 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and more half-finished scheme implementations. the question here is, how would i know
< 1428239878 327323 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: because of the implementations, duh.
< 1428239878 446882 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think it could be another one
< 1428239887 736657 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you've got another reason?
< 1428239887 859294 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what about smileys like this ( if e1 ( error e2) e3)
< 1428239908 611792 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: those aren't smileys, they're sexpes.
< 1428239908 822888 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'll write a forum post about a store in helsinki which sells african decoration stuff etc for ridiculously low prices.
< 1428239934 614450 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a sloooow step back away from the sentient 'got...
< 1428240169 949814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, has google always perverted the lower case g like that?
< 1428240195 7625 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-hello. how come?
< 1428240238 584749 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it has.
< 1428240277 868384 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever since 1999.
< 1428240310 377923 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :their g looks fine to me.
< 1428240390 517439 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428240435 600546 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lower loop is attached in a weird (wrong ;-) ) way.
< 1428240471 257619 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the attachment is usually much further to the left.
< 1428240508 336283 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have not noticed in 15 years, I wonder what triggered this observation now.
< 1428240638 144441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually I was hoping for an easter logo)
< 1428240764 911531 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1428242660 521805 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Joyoeurjanses Pâques!
< 1428242660 562300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1428242698 213647 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1428242720 459532 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_joyeusnas pâques à toi aussi!
< 1428242806 546985 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :merci
< 1428242991 80654 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you hungarianly wish Happy Easter?
< 1428243412 975305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428243519 820888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ask http://www.omniglot.com/language/phrases/easter.htm
< 1428243543 823637 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :omnious
< 1428243603 718931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Goilyd Påske!
< 1428244206 138717 :^v!~^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428245305 193620 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428245732 622125 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1428245733 114561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 051400Z 28014KT 20SM FEW052 FEW080 SCT200 M05/M15 A2997 RMK CU1AC1CI2 SLP153
< 1428245837 139356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1428245837 249367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 051450Z 14005KT 9999 -SHSN BKN029 05/M05 Q1020 RMK WIND 670FT 18006KT
< 1428245854 623838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevertheless, i saw snow a moment ago.
< 1428245914 16989 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ESSB
< 1428245915 325071 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSB 051450Z 36010KT 330V040 9999 SHRA GS FEW022CB SCT040 05/01 Q1020 R30/19//60
< 1428245923 832408 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was snowing a few hours ago
< 1428245936 85319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI
< 1428245936 433588 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 051450Z 27007KT 9999 -SHSN FEW010 BKN050 03/M00 Q1019 TEMPO SHSN
< 1428245938 649281 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, "a few" is 10 apparently
< 1428245985 507782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1428245985 868569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 051450Z VRB04KT 9999 BKN038 12/04 Q1027
< 1428245999 378764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel strange, being at the warmest place when people are @metaring.
< 1428246015 685392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> Why are D10s such a lame shape <-- just use a D20 with duplicate numbers hth
< 1428246042 140252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the platonic solution
< 1428246211 490103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Or cut a D20 in half. Wait..."
< 1428246213 266546 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ayyy
< 1428246213 427898 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSFO
< 1428246213 696064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSFO 051456Z 14004KT 10SM FEW020 BKN030 BKN055 12/07 A2991 RMK AO2 RAB35E44 SLP129 P0000 60000 T01170067 55004
< 1428246213 909972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1428246220 860706 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1428246232 216508 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :f|`hello`|f!
< 1428246251 391245 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :f|`-`|f: why the questionment?
< 1428246280 188240 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To violate your sense of world, and make you truly wonder
< 1428246291 551110 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the hell don't they have a specific question
< 1428246352 197242 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: f|`-`|f makes less sense than you. how is it possible?
< 1428246372 266983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your fungot quota is up! 
< 1428246372 380907 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so, is the element before the current one. fnord
< 1428246417 731144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uppium
< 1428246427 163713 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnorduppium!
< 1428247120 312620 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1428248311 190736 :simpleirc!~simpleirc@189.137.154.138 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428248349 729449 :simpleirc!~simpleirc@189.137.154.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
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< 1428258523 359343 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1428259310 351244 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, I have awoken from my eternal, alcohol-induced slumber
< 1428259373 892964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren
< 1428259378 637843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, green oren
< 1428259378 732182 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's just fnord of the object you pass in variable column names??? i have
< 1428259537 25019 :lleu!~gnomebad@158.223.170.148 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428261100 684849 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
< 1428261688 649694 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428261725 201354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428261993 858691 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, fungot
< 1428261994 175974 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: set! was perfectly fine for scheme-hacking weather
< 1428262013 18483 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I wish you would set! the weather to be a bit warmer tomorrow
< 1428262013 451698 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: my brain is scrambled too, just so it can
< 1428262169 537480 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1428263183 926189 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't the C standard library provide a "print quoted string" function!?!?!
< 1428263308 29564 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess I'll have to write fputqs myself
< 1428264858 255606 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :iza1
< 1428264861 435271 :iza1!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :izabera
< 1428265876 147909 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are there any unsolved yes-or-no questions in mathematics where about half of people think they're true and about half think they're false?
< 1428265917 482459 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like everyone thinks the Riemann hypothesis, the Goldbach conjecture, and the Collatz conjecture are all true (and there's some pretty nice evidence for all of these), and that P != NP.
< 1428265954 224986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't think the Collatz conjecture is held so generally
< 1428265977 367883 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: but there are much better examples where half of the people think it's true
< 1428265986 937836 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's, for example, the Hedetniemi conjecture about graph products
< 1428266037 678592 :Ronarsky!~IceChat9@108.123.121.248 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428266072 559681 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a nice one, thanks
< 1428266083 182031 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to find more
< 1428266088 538511 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk
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< 1428266266 602205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's really "half", but I think at least one famous mathematicians has declared they conjecture it and at least one has declared they conjecture the opposite
< 1428266283 62385 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not everyone will have an opinion
< 1428266331 467234 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: My first thought was "the question of whether math talent is inborn" but that's really a biological question about mathematics. 
< 1428266358 131154 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather about the biology of mathematcians
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< 1428266373 772483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: besides not being a mathematical question, that's not even a yes-no question
< 1428266430 923429 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, here's a question.
< 1428266461 223370 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a "simple and easy to calculate" function N -> N whose image contains infinitely many numbers, all of which are prime?
< 1428266481 531683 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: did you arrive at that conclusion formally or intuitively? (scnr)
< 1428266576 965927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy (\a b -> 1 < gcd a b) [2..]
< 1428266578 579904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101,...
< 1428266617 510615 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what does "simple and easy to calculate" mean?)
< 1428266643 433516 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat 2
< 1428266654 233371 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitely many numbers, all of which are prime
< 1428266656 560389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: there's a moderately well known N^lots -> N function whose image contains all prime numbers, and no other positive numbres
< 1428266659 336362 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy (((1<).).gcd) [2..]
< 1428266660 901392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101,...
< 1428266671 926622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: but the image is finite
< 1428266690 557179 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set {2} certainly isn't "infinitely many".
< 1428266691 39598 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1428266692 756181 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap
< 1428266719 372204 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, let's say "easier to calculate than just finding the smallest prime number larger than n".
< 1428266730 337357 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: My memory may be failing me, but isn't it -> Z, and we know nothing about the negative numbers?
< 1428266736 338567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: re your lambdabot message: the NetHack devteam finally realised they probably weren't going to get another release out by themselves, and hired some variant developers to help out
< 1428266740 420682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: err, yes, -> Z
< 1428266741 771440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1428266748 394348 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 : [3,5..]
< 1428266749 775262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,5,7,9,11,13,15,17,19,21,23,25,27,29,31,33,35,37,39,41,43,45,47,49,51,53...
< 1428266756 222802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't what you were asking for, but it's similar enough that I mentioned it anyway
< 1428266764 68977 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is approximatively good enough for primes, and is easy to compute.
< 1428266772 685275 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh! thanks for the heads up.
< 1428266897 567938 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could turn it into a function N -> N by using an isomorphism between N and N^lots.
< 1428266909 614950 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what's the function?
< 1428266925 150819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I don't know it offhand, it's some huge polynomial that was compiled from Lisp
< 1428266931 133836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but being a polynomial, it's easy to calculate ;-)
< 1428267006 79559 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can a polynomial have an image containing only integers?
< 1428267017 394380 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By having only integers in its domain.
< 1428267028 189675 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1428267030 319287 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: we could have a poll for the second conjecture from http://int-e.eu/~bf3/squares/ (we're tiling rectangles with a minimal number of squares of integer size. if we scale the rectange (multiplying both sides by a positive integer), can the number of required squares become smaller?)
< 1428267085 153504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ooh, that's an interesting question
< 1428267141 571509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: interesting, have asked that on Mathoverflow?
< 1428267216 973075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1428267266 844759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also, Erich Friedman might be the right person to ask that
< 1428267289 38125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously either of these only after you've tried to search existing literature
< 1428267372 805907 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equivalently: The fewest squares solution to an NxM rectangle must, if N and M are both divisible by K, consist of squares whose side lengths are divisible by K
< 1428267401 126869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what if there's more than one solution with the fewest squares?
< 1428267407 507424 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shit!
< 1428267454 926122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"at least one fewest squares solution" if we're trying to be equivalent to the old wording
< 1428267469 452352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all fewest squares solutions" seems like a more interesting wording, though
< 1428267493 557683 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I probably won't, not any time soon anyway.
< 1428267504 524380 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok, just saying
< 1428267609 181615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://mathoverflow.net/q/44524/5340 may be relevant
< 1428267717 250260 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and it links to http://mathoverflow.net/q/116382/5340
< 1428267740 451452 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in turn links back to you
< 1428267757 8066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and asks precisely about that conjecture you're asking
< 1428267757 570302 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1428268038 823926 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's already asked
< 1428268040 319649 :TheM4ch1n3!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 QUIT :Quit: later - tomorrow sometime while I upgrade valgrind & other things
< 1428268183 16496 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep
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< 1428269696 390571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> (what does "simple and easy to calculate" mean?) <-- what about an algorithm which finds a  >= n digit prime in time O(n^k) ?
< 1428269823 628917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may not be simple enough, but it should e.g. crush all current prime records easily.
< 1428269960 312633 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it doesn't
< 1428269978 191644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't?
< 1428269986 667854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the point is, it's a well-known conjecture whether there's a _deterministic_ algorithm for that, but there's a very easy randomized algorithm
< 1428270003 215906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the randomized algorithm is to just pick a random n digit number and prime test it
< 1428270014 838035 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1428270021 799787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1428270023 735549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prime test is fast (polynomial time) and there's O(1/n) chance that the number is a prime
< 1428270048 809481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, can't you replace the random generation, with any pseudorandom generation that isn't above-average at hitting composite numbers?
< 1428270065 451219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the prime records are so big that even prime testing is slow for them, and they actually use special form numbers with faster prime tests, specifically Mersenne numbers (numbers of the form 2**n-1 where n is an integer)
< 1428270088 833013 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's why it's a conjecture (and because people generally think randomness doesn't help anything)
< 1428270109 644047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it's still open, and an important open problem
< 1428270140 123330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's also a conjecture that randomness doesn't help, although that may be at P vs. NP level of difficulty
< 1428270150 615436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://polymathprojects.org/2009/07/27/proposal-deterministic-way-to-find-primes/
< 1428270164 618565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might have some useful descriptions and links
< 1428270638 577420 :Guest3780!~magician@178.161.99.6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428270796 50437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels slightly wrong to link a fanfiction when i don't even read the real thing but http://www.mezzacotta.net/dinosaur/?comic=70
< 1428270816 948248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, this applies to 99% of DMM's stuff
< 1428271195 574147 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428271806 607430 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :/topic Cheesecake! | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1428271927 218574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: escaped intentionally?
< 1428271946 763380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, we have +t set at the moment.
< 1428271980 535297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did the trollbot come back?
< 1428272073 900703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's actually quite hard to escape things accidentally in irssi; the way to do that is to start a line with a slash, then a space: / /topic ...)
< 1428272137 986002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Konversation escapes with just //
< 1428272167 514758 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428272183 673124 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,p
< 1428272191 1107 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the easiest way I accidentally escape is by trying to press / but the layout is set to Hungarian so it types - instead
< 1428272402 502703 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Verify this email address ([email protected]) and attach it to your account?"
< 1428272415 247845 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm beginning to HATE cloudfront.
< 1428272511 491601 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as a "security feature", they replace strings that look like email addresses by javascript snippets)
< 1428272748 671812 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looool
< 1428272769 912764 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a valid email in the source?
< 1428272779 703366 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably.
< 1428273143 534397 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428273399 844896 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1428273869 436902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> hmm, did the trollbot come back? <-- yes it did
< 1428274470 224350 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is sad the chännel's been +ted...
< 1428274489 514763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, indeed, untraditional.
< 1428274513 274879 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
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< 1428274526 332864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric :-t
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< 1428274530 945302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
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< 1428274531 915760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ẗ
< 1428274540 25340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i got the syntax right
< 1428274561 988428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: advanced irc users do it in one command hth
< 1428274577 372424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT
< 1428274580 326401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. /mode #esoteric -to oerjan
< 1428274599 728938 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you change the mode of #esoteric to oerjan???
< 1428274601 231714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1428274614 748374 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION TILed that oerjan is an IRC channel flag.
< 1428274669 679864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :use it wisely.
< 1428274679 295626 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1428274714 461872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/mode +ø
< 1428275248 663133 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :Educated Cheesecake! | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1428275256 390443 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that wise enough for you?
< 1428275291 261235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that question a bit academic
< 1428275335 324931 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the cheesecake have a generous coulis de framboises on it?
< 1428275379 823626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google coulis de framboises
< 1428275381 40014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.marmiton.org/recettes/recette_coulis-de-framboises_11316.aspx
< 1428275381 199787 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Coulis de framboises : Recette de Coulis de framboises - Marmiton
< 1428275431 312656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yum
< 1428275620 399213 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your favorite number? mine is 7
< 1428275674 461174 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.
< 1428275694 569511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16.
< 1428276345 34894 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that if I start weighing all natural numbers against one another, I'll never finish. Fiendish.
< 1428276426 609150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you're thinking of conatural numbers hth
< 1428276475 611251 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really.
< 1428276531 768284 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.
< 1428276710 467104 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know what a conatural number is, and bing is not helpful
< 1428276749 501471 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural numbers with the arrows reversed
< 1428276829 548892 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a co-free datatype, a final co-F-algebra with F(A) = 1+A.
< 1428276865 117383 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whereas the natural numbers are a free datatype, an initial F-algebra, with the same F.)
< 1428276905 252645 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference is that omega is a conatural number, the conatural number that is its own successor.
< 1428276918 656370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that cofree?
< 1428276926 214647 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1428276932 617984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How?
< 1428276954 349729 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just regard it as a stream over ().
< 1428276981 661984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it cofree on?
< 1428277036 921610 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's the naturals, plus Ω where succ(Ω)=Ω . got it
< 1428277048 529135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I should've written "F-coalgebra".
< 1428277062 960279 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the cofree F-coalgebra, with F as above.
< 1428277182 471855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cofree F-coalgebra works out to the same thing as the cofree comonad on F, right?
< 1428277214 675087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess in that sense you can say that CofreeComonad F () is the greatest fixed point of F.
< 1428277230 974736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that seems pretty different from saying that the greatest fixed point itself is cofree.
< 1428277326 547936 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some of these words.
< 1428277330 159671 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat.are you people speaking English?
< 1428277452 261124 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems so; or something vaguely similar.
< 1428277485 91707 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ok, let me go one step back. I want a final F-coalgebra, whereas the datatype is an initial F-algebra.
< 1428277512 845612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which data type?
< 1428277523 317322 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturals, in this case.
< 1428277553 972506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So F is Maybe here?
< 1428277561 819131 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1428277575 534715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1428277692 704412 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I fear they are afflicted with acute fungotitis. I can't make sense at all about what they're communicating.
< 1428277692 948381 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: since it counts block allocation amounts in the filesystem
< 1428277728 260895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway if it is cofree I'd like to know how.
< 1428277741 530743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if there's some relationship to monoids.
< 1428277762 932126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's not very complicated but there are a lot of words
< 1428277821 859078 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I read some blog posts about F-algebras and stuff like that, that on the spur of the moment it seemed all clear, but by the next day it had all but evaporated from my mind.
< 1428278387 858842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the question I was asking before was along the lines of: Lists are free monoids. Are colists any sort of universal monoid construction?
< 1428278428 408662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised that lists aren't self-dual
< 1428278441 437106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, the list comonad is for /nonempty/ lists specifically
< 1428278485 454202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that actually came up at work, someone was presenting some heavily comonad-based research, and some of the people there didn't know what the list comonad was)
< 1428278497 761113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think "colist" is dual in the usual sense.
< 1428278515 666685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the greatest fixed point vs. the list fixed point of some functor.
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< 1428278743 640562 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ok, I think I've got it. The final F-coalgebra is cofree over an empty set of cogenerators, so applying the term is awkward, because usually the cogenerator object is not fixed like that.
< 1428278818 616396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you mean.
< 1428278829 12228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In contrast to the cofree comonad, there is also less structure: The cofree comonad has an F-coalgebra, and furthermore the comonad signature, with extract mapping to the cogenerators.
< 1428278963 970993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are cogenerators? Why is it an empty rather than a singleton set of them? I think I'm missing something.
< 1428278997 226548 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Cofree f a, a are cogenerators.
< 1428279012 372495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cofree" is the cofree comonad?
< 1428279019 989351 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it must be a singleton.
< 1428279021 922758 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes,
< 1428279063 112398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I guess there are at least two different ways of getting the cofree comonad, as a cofree f-coalgebra and as a cofree comonoid in the category of endofunctors.
< 1428279063 745741 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much dualizing. I'd rather discuss free/initial things...
< 1428279090 959176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, free/initial things are fine.
< 1428279103 726431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case it's the empty set.
< 1428279107 547984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the final f-coalgebra does not have the comonad structure. that's what I was trying to get art.
< 1428279110 493610 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at
< 1428279140 36102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I thought that's what I was getting at too.
< 1428279149 339688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what sense is it cofree?
< 1428279191 789663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I think I see what you mean.
< 1428279254 537746 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428279264 241804 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that if you fix the cogenerators to be a final object (different category, and awkward, as said above), you get the additional arrows to the cogenerator objects that the cofree definition has for ... uhm ... free.
< 1428279272 433263 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1428279285 130485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/objects/object/
< 1428279347 291406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, to summarize, I should just say 'final' or 'terminal' or whichever, not 'cofree', to avoid confusion.
< 1428279369 633676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, pretty much every term in maths means like ten different things by now
< 1428279386 296343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminology like "terminal" isn't so useful without knowing what category you're talking about
< 1428279412 615537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the sort of categories I work with, the final object is normally the unit data type, e.g. () in Haskell or Ocaml)
< 1428279456 429374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i in the category of this airport, this object is initial terminal
< 1428279458 134370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the
< 1428279512 861037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if the same object is both initial and terminal
< 1428279526 567549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what restrictions does that put on the category
< 1428279549 310612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_object
< 1428279587 197575 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428279591 236237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I thought that article said more about it.
< 1428279688 673881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://www.fpcomplete.com/user/dolio/many-roads-to-free-monads
< 1428279702 155537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One final aside is that there is a well known theorem that "left adjoints preserve colimits" (and right adjoints, limits). Free F is a left adjoint, so it will take an initial object 0 to the initial F-algebra."
< 1428279712 352051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember talking to dolio about this.
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< 1428280748 729235 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428280798 989831 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fires of hell will eclipse your soul and drag you into the void of despair as you watch all happiness that you cling to fade away
< 1428280807 223194 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk what I'm talking about
< 1428280828 596898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know who you're talking to
< 1428280832 779603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not a very nice introduction, really
< 1428280838 499821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Decim
< 1428280849 57458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: you're being slow today
< 1428280852 204475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Decim
< 1428280855 276033 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually
< 1428280860 537209 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decim: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1428280860 740043 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decim: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1428280863 658921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1428280883 368461 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't welcome me because I've litterally been welcomed on every single one of my clients for 5 months
< 1428280898 761128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if we don't know who you are
< 1428280902 839517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're going to be welcomed a lot
< 1428280910 727960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I did it in black and white this time, for a change
< 1428280919 539448 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh people know who I am 
< 1428280933 314908 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah.
< 1428280959 817315 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is black and white because of the default filter on Andchat
< 1428281003 750716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was obvious to me who it was after the first two lines hth
< 1428281022 50326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well you're paying more attention than I am
< 1428281025 435006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, it clearly isn't me or you
< 1428281029 570140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's a start
< 1428281089 747311 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan stop spotting me out, I'm not trying to hide behind nicks I don't even have a vpn 
< 1428281115 174852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally you can tell who the regulars here are by the writing style
< 1428281118 82844 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like these cooool names whilst I'm programming stuff 
< 1428281130 280505 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I believe that's what oerjan did
< 1428281141 787628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. do lines start with a capital letter, do they end with a full stop, do nickpings use a comma or colon, do they use "hth" a lot
< 1428281146 87931 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just usemyreal name
< 1428281156 225877 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren?
< 1428281156 594529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: also the nick, really.
< 1428281169 737233 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My real name is reallllly long 
< 1428281172 394430 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, my real name is oren 
< 1428281178 54056 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't realise Oren was a name
< 1428281183 128859 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know
< 1428281190 730240 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is normally spelled orin
< 1428281198 170144 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is weird
< 1428281227 836254 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use my real name, but someone registered it 12 years ago
< 1428281238 130336 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, I wouldn't use it either way)
< 1428281240 486881 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't use it as a nick as most irc clients can't parse 29 letter names
< 1428281264 598520 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 NICK :OrenWatson
< 1428281272 824232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1428281273 995482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric
< 1428281280 910301 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, my full name apparently fits
< 1428281327 478457 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hallo shachaf
< 1428281327 681040 :Guest3780!~magician@178.161.99.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428281342 216047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think shachaf got fed up again
< 1428281356 160613 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you your name oerjan
< 1428281369 983525 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't Ø 
< 1428281382 167858 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronounce*
< 1428281401 402287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :straight forward hth
< 1428281470 581649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought ø was an "aw" sound (like in "forward", which is why oerjan used that word)?
< 1428281482 560158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1428281492 455420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fronted rounded vowel
< 1428281527 897905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1428281531 808124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm thinking of a different letter
< 1428281549 158363 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Or-Jan
< 1428281559 519396 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the j is a y
< 1428281566 260064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just joking about it being the obvious pronunciation of each letter in norwegian
< 1428281577 291974 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I was pronouncing it correctly
< 1428281614 574550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the j is essentially an english y yes
< 1428281624 931533 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how different Ø is from Ö.
< 1428281635 326337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentally pronounce your name as though it were English
< 1428281648 833438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we don't get a lot of "oer" in English, "ur" is close enough for mental pronunciation
< 1428281661 186765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the purpose of a mental pronunciation is mostly to be able to type things correctly
< 1428281663 297617 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you pronounce œ then?
< 1428281665 632249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: more tense i think
< 1428281667 650794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I type by sound for some reason)
< 1428281673 591950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you mean the german
< 1428281680 532757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do.
< 1428281692 439512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more pouted lips
< 1428281705 698831 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and you mean the Ö?
< 1428281710 575500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1428281720 448991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1428281728 517495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the norwegian is more tense and pouted
< 1428281740 559101 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronouncing oerjans name in Enochian is quite trouble some
< 1428281745 222228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1428281764 235751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the n is also pretty close to normal for english
< 1428281790 866802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the a is short but otherwise close to a in father
< 1428281816 99641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the r is a tap, so you're all hopeless on that >:)
< 1428281981 618521 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Med ("grapha" sounded in the throat) don ged un drux is your name in enochian oerjan
< 1428281990 926344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "ur" is probably the closest you get in english
< 1428282010 350148 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm learning this language just to have fun
< 1428282042 535862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCH AY
< 1428282049 507359 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omai
< 1428282086 944377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohayo
< 1428282129 972420 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooooooooooom...
< 1428282135 839080 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you been making anything in esolangs lately oerjan or nah
< 1428282294 119465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in a while no
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< 1428283384 45059 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing some more horrifying C code! the function sc7cpy allows to copy a linked list of integers by sc7cpy("dR",ll);
< 1428283429 871002 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can copy a tree of integers by sc7cpy("dRR",tree);
< 1428283464 27037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be the smallest change to NetHack needed to make it TC
< 1428283468 429404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally actually TC, not just bounded-storage
< 1428283496 970573 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how detailed is the enemy behaviour?
< 1428283524 317899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the enemy behaviour is mostly incomprehensible, because its bugs obscure its intended features
< 1428283531 140839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I've fixed it a bunch in my own variant
< 1428283568 775597 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can find a buffer overflow that leads to arbitrary code execution... just a thought.
< 1428283617 110672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say that doesn't count
< 1428283626 366315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be in portable nethack
< 1428283645 210756 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, philosophy...
< 1428283647 857970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, there are a ton of those, but I was thinking in the game mechanics
< 1428283667 312959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: add a turing monster hth
< 1428283682 708949 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's the best I could do with my very limited knowledge of nethack
< 1428283693 532392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: me too!
< 1428283699 253468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love it if people could automate the dungeon Dwarf Fortress-style
< 1428283731 473074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd have to involve items somewhere, because they're the only thing in the game that you can have unlimited amounts of under game mechanics (ofc the game itself runs into trouble tracking them eventually, but I just consider that to be an imperfect interp_
< 1428283735 857412 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428284000 170045 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :an imperfect interp_?
< 1428284023 274516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an imp_
< 1428284034 72926 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is unsure whether that got cut off.
< 1428284047 576288 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes that _ is next to )
< 1428284060 499679 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION summons an imp_ “RISE, MIGHTY FUNGOT!”
< 1428284075 394434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the imp tells you to shout less
< 1428284101 747536 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot fhtagn
< 1428284102 417787 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there's a parser that works in practice but never had the pro stuff. but who would want to do is allow fnord image transmission. the gba has a linux
< 1428284142 243481 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: okay >_>'...
< 1428284154 2527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/_/)/
< 1428284201 529450 :Guest3780!~magician@178.161.99.6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428284203 817988 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s)\))_)
< 1428284209 306035 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Guest24483
< 1428284214 810993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04Guest24483: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13<http://esolangs.org/>. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08irc.dal.net.)
< 1428284220 155810 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Guest3780
< 1428284221 335994 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08Guest3780: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07<http://esolangs.org/>. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02irc.dal.net.)
< 1428284262 380274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you know in perl () actually match in s expressions
< 1428284313 945024 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I didn't know. I expected whatever char appeared after an s to be the one and only delimiter.
< 1428284324 87600 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a perl idiosyncasy, or is it widespread?
< 1428284334 742220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true except for brackety things
< 1428284345 77320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if it has spread
< 1428284352 904980 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right ... s(...)(...)
< 1428284358 157560 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. I guess perl's well spread enough by itself.
< 1428284360 571977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Perl and sed both even allow alphabetic characters as delimeters
< 1428284363 292162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*delimiters
< 1428284364 122571 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it's a perl thing
< 1428284368 543759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is normally considered a bad idea
< 1428284391 764900 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :parser combinators ftw!
< 1428284391 882179 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed  want s(foo(bar(
< 1428284396 248145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e '$_="test"; satamag; print'
< 1428284399 391565 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1428284404 278739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1428284406 559134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Perl doesn't
< 1428284413 683492 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "foobar" | perl -e's'
< 1428284414 873176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Substitution pattern not terminated at -e line 1.
< 1428284445 742144 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :` echo "foobar" | perl -pe 's(o)(oo)g'
< 1428284446 543350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1428284447 369039 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e '$_="test"; s\t\m\g; print'
< 1428284448 217544 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo "foobar" | perl -pe 's(o)(oo)g'
< 1428284455 907304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foooobar
< 1428284456 61374 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mesm
< 1428284522 401474 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -e'$_="test";sかtかmか;print;'
< 1428284534 714028 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e'$_="test";sかtかmか;print;'
< 1428284535 866641 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrecognized character \x81; marked by <-- HERE after sかtかm�<-- HERE near column 21 at -e line 1.
< 1428284538 943803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooodl
< 1428284542 811939 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` perl -e'$_="test";sかtかmか;print;'
< 1428284543 708571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1428284544 350831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooodl is the correct spelling
< 1428284556 995101 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e'$_="test";sかtかmか;print;'
< 1428284558 819231 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428284559 959784 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask nooodl where are you?
< 1428284559 960434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1428284563 779236 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e '$_="test";sかtかmか;print;'
< 1428284566 110690 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428284593 68959 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please explain the nooodl incident
< 1428284593 530247 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: with my version, the systems aren't r6rs requires unicode, why do you need for binary distribution is a coin flipped ( because i wrote it.
< 1428284598 375961 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl $_="test";sかtかmか;print;
< 1428284599 237918 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open perl script "$_="test";sかtかmか;print;": No such file or directory
< 1428284611 659879 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e '$_="test";sかtかmか;print;'
< 1428284612 544021 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428284628 69462 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e '$_="test\n";sかtかmか;print;'
< 1428284628 909824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428284648 417464 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fwiw, "() actually match in s expressions" really confused me at first; I mean, what does that have to do with Perl?
< 1428284682 520722 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e '$_="か"; s/K/z/; print;'
< 1428284683 295662 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​か
< 1428284696 740614 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. it unicodly works.
< 1428284715 140966 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try unidecode next time.
< 1428284740 463827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e '$_="test"; s atamag; print'
< 1428284741 570302 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mesm
< 1428284750 491404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly
< 1428284766 771614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^
< 1428284782 585776 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e $_="test";s かtかmか;print'
< 1428284782 603750 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
< 1428284788 18495 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e '$_="test";s かtかmか;print'
< 1428284788 741459 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrecognized character \x81; marked by <-- HERE after  かtかm�<-- HERE near column 22 at -e line 1.
< 1428284858 63266 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is old, it operates on bytes. And then there is some utf8 support in string operations.
< 1428284887 887147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Perl operates on codepoints; however, it doesn't necessarily assume that they're Unicode codepoints
< 1428284901 324499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a string in Perl is basically a string of 31-bit integers, stored in a compressed representation
< 1428284908 176243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i was pondering for half a minute how to say that better and then gave up
< 1428284923 395386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually Perl is one of the few languages which really supports Unicode well
< 1428284937 559677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it doesn't necessarily know how to interpret its input
< 1428284944 711212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and normally interprets it as bytes for backwards compatibility
< 1428284953 268473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -e 'print "\x{123}"'
< 1428284958 961943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -e 'print "\x{123}"'
< 1428284963 673473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print "\x{123}"'
< 1428284965 707247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428284965 823827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wide character in print at -e line 1. \ ģ
< 1428284981 97283 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :```
< 1428284983 925978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl's quite happy to have a codepoint 0x123 in a string
< 1428284994 809998 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send laptop in to get fixed, or buy new laptop?
< 1428284995 139448 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428284997 642220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't know how to output it because by default, stdout is bytes
< 1428284998 677072 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screen is dead
< 1428285015 44342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'binmode STDOUT, ":encoding(UTF-8)"; print "\x{123}"'
< 1428285020 869350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ģ
< 1428285021 784433 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: any warranty?
< 1428285027 994540 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball
< 1428285029 935121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you specify an encoding explicitly, everything is fine
< 1428285030 445207 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I almost certainly voided it
< 1428285032 546737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask again later.
< 1428285061 332024 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless taking the latop completely apart does not void the warranty
< 1428285074 112177 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: eiter fix it yourself, use it as youtube for TV, andor buy new
< 1428285087 717033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you probably voided it.
< 1428285107 754173 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would the manufacturer still repair voided waranty if I pay money?
< 1428285163 174325 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, if you pay
< 1428285204 598350 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I would just use it as desktop with external screen for now, and buy new laptop later
< 1428285243 292755 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no room near my couch for a monitor
< 1428285251 965383 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm standing in a different area
< 1428285254 986448 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's inconvenient
< 1428285262 269721 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus the resolution of this monitor is crap
< 1428285339 764812 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428285910 955986 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: STROPPED CHICKEN
< 1428287158 297733 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Quit: byeannes
< 1428287349 652139 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1428288621 692750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428288786 281606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would prefer whatevertheirnameis to leave me alone twhal
< 1428289136 869491 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428289233 956535 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could buy a better desk, and if that works out, consider building a desktop
< 1428289532 228615 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time that would be a laptop
< 1428289556 189130 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1428289612 761785 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, misread the logs
< 1428289614 89731 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm
< 1428289820 758917 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428290028 58198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess building a better lap is out of the question.
< 1428290519 202256 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=lap+pillow not so.
< 1428290575 958968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1428290614 631241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a better way to test .XI files than with OpenMPT?
< 1428290722 54012 :OrenWatson!~oren@65.94.97.99 NICK :orin
< 1428291068 739027 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428291149 783108 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428291178 753143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428291191 353638 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1428291518 744182 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: sleep
< 1428291675 998158 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:dcd4:468a:6a4:b29a JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428291788 516319 :^v!~^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1428292321 432589 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428293756 44615 :supay_away!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sgdclvexxgwmndlv NICK :supay
< 1428294101 839496 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1428294986 839340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZZETA
< 1428295327 486532 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1428295441 429968 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:dcd4:468a:6a4:b29a QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1428295687 539854 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428298050 719517 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1428298632 957427 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428298898 867747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1428298904 83584 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1428299274 381820 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1428299318 323764 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428299813 922578 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428301568 236608 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have been a redirect to iana.org
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< 1428304167 998651 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. the computation of h(14,13) is taking unusually long
< 1428304316 341263 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is a bug, but i'm not sure where
< 1428304502 704380 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. wait all the answers are wrong.
< 1428304745 20776 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw this at least my memory mgmt code workd
< 1428304975 271055 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.paste.org/77910
< 1428305393 930763 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C programs are littered with code deleting and copying various trees and linked lists. this code handles a general case of that
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< 1428311209 690981 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :おはよう
< 1428311236 621160 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :おやすみ
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< 1428324207 147451 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho, less than a day...
< 1428324223 756807 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, until?
< 1428324224 270371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GG updated)
< 1428324227 328112 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1428324251 26181 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, this conversation
< 1428324305 769324 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course they cheated and started from an existing train...
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< 1428328626 735452 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428328626 735499 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428328626 735521 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428328626 735635 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428328661 770140 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428328661 770940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428328661 770963 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428328661 770985 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428328661 771006 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-bosrdwigtbdciaar JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428328661 771028 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428328661 771664 :hassa-aravit!~cinch@ec2-52-11-105-153.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428328661 771686 :kline!~kline@unaffiliated/kline JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428328700 384313 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1428328707 163570 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1428328751 861212 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428328751 862029 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428328755 672335 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1428328804 334745 :rodgort!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428328836 624590 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1428328948 569874 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428328949 430883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428328987 465868 :Guest3780!~magician@178.161.99.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyo
< 1428329061 235259 :Guest11531!~GeekDude@c-73-31-240-150.hsd1.wv.comcast.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1428329061 274516 :Guest11531!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428329082 568896 :Guest11531!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
< 1428329252 601794 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest3780: hi! how are you enjoying these fine netsplits?
< 1428329523 796297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good bmoilnday
< 1428329729 172525 :magician!~magician@178.161.42.175 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428329739 396841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there is any language with words that start with bm
< 1428329752 621775 :magician!~magician@178.161.42.175 NICK :Guest6889
< 1428329939 403186 :Guest3780!~magician@178.161.99.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428329939 522571 :Guest6889!~magician@178.161.42.175 NICK :Guest3780
< 1428330125 161263 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boerjan lundi!
< 1428330130 360727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trusty georgian seems to provide ქიმიური ბმა, meaning chemical bond, the latter word transcribing as "bma"
< 1428330131 598201 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :georgian perhaps?
< 1428330143 709624 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. georgian indeed.
< 1428330167 556225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :your go-to language for advanced consonant clustering
< 1428330186 925842 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvncd
< 1428330199 554454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wlcm me
< 1428330200 665248 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :m: Wlcm t th ntrntnl hb fr strc prgrmmng lngg dsgn nd dplymnt! Fr mr nfrmtn, chck t r wk: <http://slngs.rg/>. (Fr th thr knd f strc, try #strc n rc.dl.nt.)
< 1428330241 182147 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`eoe me
< 1428330241 828039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: eoe: not found
< 1428330246 673478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :goody.
< 1428330257 61735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries russian but google doesn't give anything non-acronymy looking starting with бм
< 1428330319 917830 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well my small russian dictionary doesn't have anything like that.
< 1428330344 94067 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nor do I recall ever having to pronounce such a word.)
< 1428330402 124208 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bummer)
< 1428330415 689167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has днепропетровск but not the labial version
< 1428330547 504354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. The Днепр is a river. Dnieper in english, isn't that nice...
< 1428330653 585060 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1428330772 254166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this is nice. `дно' means `bottom', its plural is `донья'
< 1428330831 590365 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And from `ден' they derive `днём', `during daytime'.
< 1428330843 716567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`ден' = `day')
< 1428330935 344742 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428330979 293323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good i found дна
< 1428330989 304601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wiktionary couldn't find that
< 1428331054 904056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh should have done a proper search
< 1428331076 949310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :пей до дна
< 1428331140 278221 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428331200 223032 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1428331387 296801 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh.  пей is both "drink!" and "sing!"
< 1428331403 131811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sing to the bottom... well, no.
< 1428331463 769658 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428331558 880330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if it was also "women!" russians would have it easy
< 1428331619 631211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> oho, less than a day... <-- ah.
< 1428331790 420841 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether oerjan deliberately misunderstood "drink!" to be a noun rather than an imperative verb form.
< 1428331887 388808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i deliberately avoided trying to turn "women" into a verb hth
< 1428331994 486391 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait...
< 1428331999 852776 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes
< 1428332003 793648 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tired :(
< 1428332269 406492 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: спи! (bah, stupid irregular verbs)
< 1428332292 580533 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, it's 4 in the afternoon and a sunny day
< 1428332315 531382 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, go outside then.
< 1428332348 14389 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just passing on advice I tend to get from my parents. You're welcome, no need to thank me.)
< 1428332420 848508 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glimpses outside ... snow?! snow???!!!! WHY??!?!!!!?
< 1428332454 498094 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the hell are you? It's May!
< 1428332459 291705 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or April!
< 1428332461 279795 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those!
< 1428332467 309000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Innsbruck. It's snowing, but thawing immediately.
< 1428332487 91853 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI
< 1428332487 453134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 061450Z 26010KT 190V290 4000 R08/P1500D R26/P1500N SHSN SCT003 SCT010 BKN015 02/M01 Q1024 WS R26 TEMPO SHSN
< 1428332494 792049 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew.
< 1428332500 502385 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :WS, wet snow?
< 1428332504 990451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: same here yesterday
< 1428332527 416498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm further north, or something.
< 1428332580 47346 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you are certainly further north
< 1428332590 499912 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHSN = snow showers. WS = wind shear
< 1428332615 895464 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, aren't you in like one of the furthest north large cities in Europe?
< 1428332753 34660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"R26", what do you mean, runway 26? There is only one runway there... (approachable from two directions, maybe that makes 2).
< 1428333037 549523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i think it depends a lot on your cutoff for "large city".
< 1428333067 861665 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm
< 1428333103 686169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :murmansk is larger, and far more north
< 1428333129 954753 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1428333172 81457 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I am going to get some sleep
< 1428333179 647541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates that google maps removed the quick zoomout bar
< 1428333332 815280 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fähigkeit: 2 mana - fügt 30 schade zu
< 1428333337 776599 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1428333339 828877 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fc
< 1428333344 684568 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, the runway ends are marked 26 and 08. Funny.
< 1428333361 767107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: zu schade.
< 1428333441 461253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i don't like that if you zoom out enough to see all of scandinavia and murmansk, all the city names disappear.
< 1428333449 964302 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is there a direction encoded in the numbers... looks that way: "Runways are named by a number between 01 and 36, which is generally the magnetic azimuth of the runway's heading in decadegrees"
< 1428333455 278519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nearly all.
< 1428333479 859065 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1428333512 280878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess they wouldn't want two runways in the same direction.
< 1428333580 684837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do. They get suffixes: L, M, R.
< 1428333596 726948 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runway )
< 1428333627 811467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It gets really funny when there are more than 3 parallely runways)
< 1428333633 992234 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/y//
< 1428333638 765935 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1428333651 190553 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/reall/really/; s/lely/lel/
< 1428333819 219793 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And its L, C, R.
< 1428333824 632961 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428334286 520727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1428334320 59006 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428334969 976140 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1428335957 891293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1428335958 184780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 061550Z 02008KT 340V050 9999 FEW032 15/08 Q1032 TEMPO BKN014
< 1428335972 754064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was told this place is cold and rainy.
< 1428336109 516054 :Sprocklem_!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428336283 388589 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1428336604 519779 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's create a really awful language called every_other_language
< 1428336620 223945 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can say "every_other_language sucks"
< 1428336643 55727 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then someone shall create a language called "this_language" which is just a little bit better
< 1428336655 668657 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that he can say "this_language is better than every_other_language"
< 1428336751 750402 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :already done?
< 1428337142 588158 :Sprocklem_!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :Sprocklem
< 1428337387 954985 :roasted42!~appleseed@vc-nat-gp-s-41-13-60-29.umts.vodacom.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428337445 762704 :roasted42!~appleseed@vc-nat-gp-s-41-13-60-29.umts.vodacom.co.za QUIT :Changing host
< 1428337445 763509 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428337445 883153 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
< 1428337532 475874 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1428337533 55118 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 061600Z 23004KT 30SM BKN220 M03/M16 A3031 RMK CI7 SLP270
< 1428337736 107831 :^v!~notnot^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428338174 760717 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1428338201 930940 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428338428 528916 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: CLAD CHICKEN
< 1428339694 792457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1428341541 704860 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1428341575 250976 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"CONTRAPOSITIVE CHICKEN"
< 1428341575 254064 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428341766 6333 :hassa-aravit!~cinch@ec2-52-11-105-153.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :K-Lined
< 1428342649 242772 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428342768 871129 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428343328 209255 :TheM4ch1n3!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 QUIT :Quit: brb
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< 1428343514 485777 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
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< 1428343731 292378 :Apostle!~Apostle@24-182-213-194.static.ftwo.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
< 1428343751 915880 :Apostle!~Apostle@24-182-213-194.static.ftwo.tx.charter.com NICK :Inji
< 1428344045 483125 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1428344133 584749 :Inji!~Apostle@24-182-213-194.static.ftwo.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've never been here before.
< 1428344137 424372 :Inji!~Apostle@24-182-213-194.static.ftwo.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a huge esoteric chat
< 1428344220 237398 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Inji
< 1428344221 48666 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inji: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1428344241 107580 :Inji!~Apostle@24-182-213-194.static.ftwo.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh...
< 1428344246 356621 :Inji!~Apostle@24-182-213-194.static.ftwo.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not actual esotericism.
< 1428344246 942399 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why no relcome?
< 1428344250 741948 :Inji!~Apostle@24-182-213-194.static.ftwo.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a joke language.
< 1428344272 584570 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, I wasn't in the mood
< 1428344289 737312 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inji, yeah, we're a programming channel
< 1428344294 464367 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stick around, if you want!
< 1428344296 114362 :Inji!~Apostle@24-182-213-194.static.ftwo.tx.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've known.
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< 1428349255 359135 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isit just me, or is the fopen() function designed terribly?
< 1428349276 251840 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not just you
< 1428349313 411967 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the way it takes a string for its parameters
< 1428349323 870595 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it evolved rather than being designed
< 1428349340 124565 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more or less fit for its purpose but not elegant ;)
< 1428349476 997660 :Guest24483!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :elliott
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< 1428349500 783149 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`elcome elliott 
< 1428349501 605198 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lliott: elcome o he nternational ub or soteric rogramming anguage esign nd eployment! or ore nformation, heck ut ur iki: <ttp://solangs.rg/>. (or he ther ind f soterica, ry #soteric n rc.al.et.)
< 1428349508 856314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hanks
< 1428349516 254543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(elliott may have been here before, I forgot. ;-) )
< 1428349570 68812 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is .rg or .et a real TLD?
< 1428349610 532918 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.et I guess would be for aliens?
< 1428349657 740169 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ethopia actually.
< 1428349674 689230 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to answer your question, yes I'm actually on the NHDT
< 1428349674 809714 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right.
< 1428349678 131078 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ^
< 1428349678 493552 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :.et is Ethiopia, .rg does not exist
< 1428349696 755258 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh there's an i there.
< 1428349700 572505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why the 5 days wait :p
< 1428349717 154865 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I only remembered now
< 1428349722 592185 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that you asked about it)
< 1428349727 796611 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, NHDT?
< 1428349737 600028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you told me at the time it was part of an april fool's or something
< 1428349749 607432 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.rg ... um, maybe a site for the greatness of Roentgenium? 
< 1428349772 695723 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The April Fool's was that the announcement was real
< 1428349781 911200 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: NetHack DevTeam
< 1428349791 968688 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaah
< 1428349792 813252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :.rg is for role playing gamers who take RPGs seriously (they stopped playing)
< 1428349824 368034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: dumb :P
< 1428349832 720800 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! yes, indeed. ffvii.rg, masseffect.rg, etc
< 1428349839 802829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: did ais not get on the devteam because naming it NH4 pissed them off
< 1428349846 734806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I would like to believe
< 1428349869 121733 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't actually know the reason. But most likely because he expressed that he wasn't sure he'd want to join
< 1428349901 115518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: so does this mean I can literally rant to a nethack devteam member about how nethack fucking sucks now
< 1428349904 37806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1428349928 759124 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1428349934 306121 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in PM, but yes
< 1428350052 440534 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'm serious, feedback is good. it won't all get fixed next release, but it's still good)
< 1428350159 119362 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only feedback I can give on Nethack is that I am not very good at it
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< 1428353333 393399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Pokemon Pinball is loaded into Visual Boy Advance, Pikachu is being too quietly!
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< 1428355946 655026 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mechanical keys
< 1428355948 974393 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant convert
< 1428356645 923973 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you playing
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< 1428357766 669015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: my feedback could only be resolved by redesigning the entire game, sorry :p
< 1428358074 864496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make up a new game.
< 1428358093 867225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428358135 431730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: great idling there
< 1428358301 359736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> Inji, yeah, we're a programming channel <-- if we'd managed to send all those people to a place where they'd stay, it would have been a huge channel by now.
< 1428358322 770964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, something something critical mass.
< 1428358341 674445 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a channel somewhere out there that keeps getting people who want to be here
< 1428358352 373822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell hth
< 1428358361 437517 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1428358375 535503 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do they want to be there? really?
< 1428358384 442770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haskell
< 1428358385 340140 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \   arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell'
< 1428358409 792573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, implicitparams
< 1428358439 21466 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ? haskle
< 1428358440 221015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘?’
< 1428358440 222686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘haskle’
< 1428358440 222753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant ‘handle’ (imported from Control.Exception)
< 1428358482 132660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskle would be the obvious norwegian borrowing from the english verb haskell
< 1428358534 180668 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ler deg haskle med ørjan?
< 1428358576 678722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lær deg å
< 1428358697 65324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the å isn't optional in norwegian, yet.  although with the speed we're absorbing swedish constructions, ask again in a decade or two.
< 1428358839 320290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they're english constructions.
< 1428358862 155889 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, I think the å (att) is probably not really optional in swedish
< 1428358868 720700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1428358888 375332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a google hit so may have misinterpreted.
< 1428359003 516483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do swedes say "jag har tänkt att [haskla]" or "jag har tänkt till att [haskla]"?
< 1428359115 326360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the shift from the former to the latter in norwegian is one of the grating examples to this old fart
< 1428359121 168517 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former, but it sounds quite formal still
< 1428359129 885444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1428359162 549707 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably say "jag tänkte haskla"
< 1428359181 956140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.  again, the "å" is not optional.
< 1428359218 863944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well.  my obvious theory of the origin of this travesty has been proved wrong, then.
< 1428359530 901676 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is a verb?
< 1428359550 150602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, how could there be haskellers
< 1428359580 271100 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in "I haskelled a program"?
< 1428359588 956665 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haskelled a haskell
< 1428359600 214141 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it "I haskold a program"?
< 1428359607 320418 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have haskelled a lot over the past few days"
< 1428359611 172425 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like tell, told)
< 1428359618 128448 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Haskell takes an object
< 1428359623 500366 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not Java
< 1428359631 256646 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point
< 1428359892 677820 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just play crawl then
< 1428359907 242787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the exact same applies to crawl actually
< 1428359923 163221 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: play ADOM then :P
< 1428359930 347921 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1428359931 330028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly I find it more fun, but
< 1428359938 573635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ADOM is designed?
< 1428359967 354544 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go play a real video game, you nerd
< 1428360018 74730 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, play Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team
< 1428360064 913083 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :そう言えば、どこかgoogleは日本語の動詞「ググる」と読んだ。たとえば、「その映画をググりました」。
< 1428360066 664630 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is helping
< 1428360071 323192 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Chocobo Dungeon
< 1428360092 125800 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: when you say 'the exact same', do you mean the same issues? or only that it needs a redesign
< 1428360099 969518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter
< 1428360102 326798 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should just make a game where you delve through a dungeon as a goat and crash into things
< 1428360109 664997 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, a significant part of NetHack is likely to get redesigned over the next while, assuming the DT remains active.
< 1428360113 971183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack and crawl have tons of issues but probably mostly not the same ones
< 1428360114 144948 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm still interested in hearing :)
< 1428360124 840894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's scary :P
< 1428360127 324286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing nethack at all is scary
< 1428360138 270306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you disturb the delicate balance of everything just slightly not at all working
< 1428360140 705671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: If you know how to and what deatils, you make up!
< 1428360159 547523 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackcode can't really be scarier than it already is
< 1428360179 699044 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some of the bigger issues like Gehennom are definitely on the radar screen
< 1428360205 688772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make some for Famicom.
< 1428360211 863892 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to end up twisting my neck
< 1428360226 348228 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My monitor is to my right side, my laptop is straight in front of me
< 1428360234 205816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect my design philosophy coheres with exactly zero of the nethack devteam members, anyway. for what it's worth, sil, brogue and necrodancer are the roguelikes that come to mind as having the most admirable design, though the former two at least are certainly flawed (and the latter relies on the gimmick to be an effective game)
< 1428360332 891033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also "small roguelikes" such as KING and The Rougelike!
< 1428360351 402221 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm still interested in hearing
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< 1428360357 83858 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't speak for other team members
< 1428360363 236018 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't played either Crawl or Nethack in a while
< 1428360371 419379 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter for the dumbest possible reason
< 1428360375 763683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh it has been so long since I played NH that i probably can't give much concrete
< 1428360407 153420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how about getting rid of all the grinding and instadeaths and really spoilery things"
< 1428360432 315746 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gehennom is the big grind
< 1428360435 933777 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a reasonable game going on NAO, and for the past N years have been scared of messing it up.
< 1428360438 311785 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only real problem area for that I think
< 1428360447 516126 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by spoilery things?
< 1428360478 580232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like 80% of the game.
< 1428360487 461317 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh
< 1428360503 287605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the only grind in nethack? have you ever seen an altar??)
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< 1428360534 611319 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, good point
< 1428360537 636521 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Crawl grindy? iirc one of the philosophies is antigrind
< 1428360551 240797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :less so
< 1428360568 398485 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In crawl you grind through adventurers
< 1428360569 635340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be tedious in many ways but they're not generally "doing the exact same thing N times"
< 1428360607 126767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: okay, here's my one concrete suggestion: please, god, either automate or eliminate price-id
< 1428360623 560553 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1428360642 47715 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the identification game in general needs attention
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< 1428369448 969633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to define a general ordering of triples in RDF graphs (using the same definition of ordering regardless of which graph) even though there are blank nodes? (Blank nodes are like anonymous nodes; they don't have any ordering, and may be used multiple times.) Assume that if a blank node is wired in a particular way to the rest of the graph, it is indistinguishable for purpose of checking if a graph is the same or not.
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< 1428372069 852948 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could we not simply "pick the graph up" by a certain node?
< 1428372091 791000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one?
< 1428372148 142892 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
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< 1428372300 862609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may be able to simplify the problem by considering only the blank nodes, since everything else can already be ordered.
< 1428372331 398482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, construct an ordering for graphs with numbered nodes.  then, for each unnumbered graph, take the minimum numbered one.
< 1428372344 908886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely no promises that this is tractable.
< 1428372398 174749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that these are directed graphs.
< 1428372413 344991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes no difference...
< 1428372424 899359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1428372430 132655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread question.
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< 1428372466 596685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact i've never heard of RDF graphs before doesn't help
< 1428372541 752354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's OK; its exact definition isn't relevant. However, it may be described in a simplified way as such: A set of triples; the first and third may be either a URI or blank node, the second must be a URI. (It is actually a bit more complicated than that, but for the purpose of this problem everything else is irrelevant)
< 1428372588 588126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no problem ordering the URIs since you can just use strcmp
< 1428372660 222831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem with just defining blank nodes to be smaller than all URIs, say?
< 1428372661 996177 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each blank node is connected to N predicates as a object
< 1428372700 533646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then order the triples lexicographically
< 1428372732 335428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, as haskell's (Maybe URI, Maybe URI, Maybe URI) type
< 1428372747 327459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that isn't right.
< 1428372756 127398 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second one is guaranteed to be a URI
< 1428372780 530732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.  well (Maybe URI, URI, Maybe URI) then.
< 1428372845 165665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sort of assuming that's too simple but you haven't defined the problem in such a way that i can see why it is disallowed.
< 1428372854 761523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say you have a unlabeled directed graph; it can become a RDF graph by making each node as a blank node and then the second one (called a predicate) is always <about:blank> or whatever (note that <about:blank> is not a blank node!). So, Maybe URI doesn't do it.
< 1428372969 703684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my problem is that i have no information about what an RDF graph is other than a set of triples.
< 1428372995 785597 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a graph composed of two types of vertexes.
< 1428373022 433247 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the A type is connected to three B type vertexes 
< 1428373066 999183 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with three distinct labeled edges)
< 1428373089 578353 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the B type vertexes are arbitrary URI's or just "blank"
< 1428373144 127477 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, the second edge from each A type vertex always connects to a B type vertex which is a URI 
< 1428373176 413041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one way to describe it, although I can prefer this way: It is a directed graph where vertexes can be labeled or blank, and edges are always labeled. There may be more than one blank node, but none of them have labels; and some may be used more than once. That's why (Maybe URI) does not describe a vertex.
< 1428373232 259139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see the problem is that blank nodes have identity but not order
< 1428373282 883506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the problem I was asking about!
< 1428373394 944016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a URI can only be used in one node, right?
< 1428373414 893377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1428373416 29063 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1428373424 272606 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although there may be multiple connections to and from it)
< 1428373545 157217 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... we can start by putting the blank nodes which have a direct link to a URI node first
< 1428373570 356092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I thought that might do, although still don't quite know how to continue then
< 1428373592 950952 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then ordering them by greatest 
< 1428373617 76617 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :URI they are connected to (then by predicate, then by second greatest, etc)
< 1428373676 618141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok it is obviously possible to do in an intractable way, by first ordering triples in all graphs where blank nodes have been numbered, ordering the graphs themselves, then taking the triple ordering from the minimum graph
< 1428373725 282388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which arises from a numbering of your blank nodes
< 1428373783 395981 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if _AAA is connected to www.foo.com and _BBB is connected to vvv.foo.com then _BBB comes first
< 1428373865 602498 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all blank nodes which are connected to a URI have been ordered, we can use said ordering to order the blank nodes connected to them, and so on
< 1428373920 949518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however two blank nodes may be connected to the same URIs...
< 1428373938 855389 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then order by the predicate by which they are connected
< 1428373953 769179 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And after that, take the second highest uri
< 1428373959 390281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a predicate
< 1428373968 182542 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on like a "high-card" poker hand
< 1428373973 582409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second element in the triple is called a predicate.
< 1428373982 952132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The first is called a subject, and the third is called an object.)
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< 1428374057 476350 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately my idea fails in the case where all nodes are blank
< 1428374071 6372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm unless there is some uniqueness property i haven't noticed/been told, this is probably impossible.
< 1428374087 38264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Yes, that's another case you haven't considered
< 1428374126 654669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, let's take two triples, with (B1, "url1", B1) and (B2, "url1", B2)
< 1428374144 323260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In that specific case, it doesn't matter the order.
< 1428374144 561959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1 and B2 are blank.  there is absolutely no distinction between the riples.
< 1428374150 458363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+t
< 1428374166 579775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because exchanging B1 with B2 doesn't change it at all.
< 1428374168 270684 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when does the order batter
< 1428374183 545097 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ba/ma/
< 1428374241 995827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1428374258 137058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In other words, the graph "looks the same" from B1 as it does from B2.) But, if you have:   (B1, "url1", B2) (B3, "url1", B4) (B3, "url1", B5) then B1 and B2 and B3 are distinct, although you can exchange B4 with B5 without changing it.
< 1428374280 271375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the ordering is only unique up to isomorphisms of the graph
< 1428374295 23371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1428374453 1845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your special case of an unlabeled directed graph becomes "can you order the edges of an unlabeled directed graph"
< 1428374489 147747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I expect that a solution to that problem can easily be extended to work with any RDF graphs then.
< 1428374525 316522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely suspect this is at least as hard as graph isomorphism
< 1428374565 741035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I would think so too.
< 1428374649 814280 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case you are curious, the additional part of the definition of a RDF graph that I have not yet mentioned is that the object (the third part of the triple) can also be a "literal", which means a pair consisting of a URI and a string. (This is irrelevant to the problem I mentioned though; I simply mention it in case you need to know exactly what a "RDF graph" is for other purposes.)
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< 1428375280 884639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1428375406 168569 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose we start by getting each  node two numbers, the number of outgoing and ingoing edges
< 1428375446 610196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loaded "graph isomorphism" in Wikipedia now to try to learn a few other stuff, but still don't quite know
< 1428375452 227383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: OK, that's one start
< 1428375496 388558 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then within each set of nodes, each node's "poker hand" is the N,M of the nodes it is connected to
< 1428375569 992506 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking ofan iterative process where we keep reordering the nodes which are still undistinct...
< 1428375623 394973 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until no change occurs.
< 1428375868 186703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought of what I now learned is called "graph canonization" (actually I thought of the same name for it); so, if you can figure out the order of blank nodes then you can replace them with URIs <canon:1> <canon:2> <canon:3> and so on and then you can easily order the triples. (Of course this is a hypothetical "canon:" URI scheme)
< 1428375912 47323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know how to do this though, but making up such a canonical form would easily allow them to be ordered; but you can also do it the other way around, so that you can make up such a canonical form from the ordering is the other way.
< 1428375996 362642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think that's what i meant with the numbering?
< 1428376018 971507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well
< 1428376069 168288 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. take the example from above: B1,B2 B3,B4 B3,B5. The initial numbering would be B1-(1,0) B2,B4,B5-(0,1) B3-(2,0) 
< 1428376091 328320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the numbering thing still works, it's just that if the graph has self-isomorphisms then the minimal graph can also be reached by all of those.
< 1428376123 453890 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the initial order is B2=B4=B5,B1,B3
< 1428376208 629156 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now B2 is connected to B1, and B4,B5 are connected to B3, and B1 outranks B3. Thus B2 outrank B4,B5. 
< 1428376231 283558 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new ordering on step 2 is B2,B4=B5,B1,B3
< 1428376275 269315 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B4 and B5 are still equal, so there is no change, and the algorithm teminates
< 1428376307 503135 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are qual becuase theya re both only connected to B3)
< 1428376308 400856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK I can see that now
< 1428376627 722468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you have to prove it!
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< 1428378935 676469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This RDF graph contains three blank nodes:   http://zzo38computer.org/my_foaf.ttl   The blank nodes are identified here as [], _:1, and _:2. (Each [] is a distinct blank node (although that isn't relevant here because there is only one); but each _: with the same name identifies the same blank node.) This graph contains many non-blank nodes too. Canonizing would require numbering each blank node. Note that using _:a _:b _:c in place of [] _:1 _:2 
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< 1428379497 540263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42317&oldid=42265 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+7684) 10
< 1428379537 126014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42318&oldid=42317 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-2) 10
< 1428379560 406272 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42319&oldid=42318 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+1) 10/* An interpreter in Java */
< 1428380044 744335 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42320&oldid=42319 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-161) 10/* An interpreter in Java: */
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< 1428381641 391020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a (badly drawn) diagram of part of such a graph:   http://zzo38computer.org/img_17/my_foaf.png   In order that you can see how it works. The circles indicate the blank nodes; they will then need to be ordered.
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< 1428382496 465788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A diagram of the full graph (except for literals?) is at http://graves.cl/visualRDF/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fzzo38computer.org%2Fmy_foaf.ttl although it can be hard to read. This one also displays names for blank nodes (even though they don't really have names; names can be used in a representation for obvious uses though), and abbreviates some URIs that are commonly used in RDF.
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< 1428392105 828388 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really take this "studying 70 min a day is optimal" study that serious.
< 1428392123 360668 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentely students who learn the longest are the worst students.
< 1428392149 820188 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense because the sooner you get it the less long you actually have to study.
< 1428392180 13903 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it shouldn't be surprising that students who learn longer on average probably do that because they are not very good at the subject.
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< 1428393656 268665 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Judge Allows Divorce Papers To Be Served Via Facebook" uhm...
< 1428393658 831139 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok...?
< 1428393667 430475 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you have a Facebook account?
< 1428393667 610119 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: gcc 3 doesn't know about. and either you get threatened with lawsuits and the like
< 1428393695 503037 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. gcc3 is probably a facebook profile stalker anyway.
< 1428394121 217927 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual optimal studying amount is "all the time", but you should study more than one thing.
< 1428394307 424201 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should study breakfast
< 1428394537 563215 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. Good pancakes and french toast require intensive study to perfect
< 1428394643 422231 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I often end up burning my pancakes)
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< 1428395170 88969 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap, i didn't know there was kanji for sulfuric acid
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< 1428395396 553340 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fungot, have you tried cooking pancakes with sulfuric acid?
< 1428395397 31295 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: about the wiki? :) ( i'm attracted to these types of problems), if fnord enough times, could mutate some input into a more optimal way?
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< 1428400663 432798 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fnord
< 1428400663 794270 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: or has a contradiction... non-imperative?) from the keyboard
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< 1428401051 58951 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :フノルドって何？
< 1428401078 125393 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, funorudo tte nani?
< 1428401078 340257 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: why didn't i think of that. gentoo also starts with s! 2. blahbot, dead, dead, is just conditional reading
< 1428401088 318298 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :naruhodo
< 1428401716 992142 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42321&oldid=42320 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+142) 10/* An interpreter in Java: */
< 1428401761 871598 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42322&oldid=42321 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+9) 10
< 1428401810 844648 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgentoo.
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< 1428402753 242672 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if a "language" existed in which "programming" was done by pavlovian conditioning on small animals?
< 1428402818 529319 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. to do an "and" you condition them to push a button only when two lights are on.
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< 1428403456 273567 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related: http://arxiv.org/abs/1204.1749
< 1428403530 889096 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome. crab-based computing
< 1428403611 35069 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42323&oldid=42322 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+179) 10/* An interpreter in Java: */
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< 1428407801 739173 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help, someone (I know not who) made https://github.com/jimrustlesPhD/Taneb/blob/master/Taneb.erl
< 1428407977 508139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was jimrustlesPhD hth
< 1428408043 326064 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I know not who that is
< 1428408103 456066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: perhaps you know who https://github.com/icydoge is?
< 1428408114 45085 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that person
< 1428408123 660975 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they are almost certainly different people
< 1428408136 91163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://erlangcentral.org/erlang-projects/details/15724 suggests some sort of connection
< 1428408184 817594 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in that they both contributed to this git project
< 1428408199 397052 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know who everyone is but the author of that erlang
< 1428408225 369241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1428408285 284276 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that Jim Rustles, PhD, or Jim Rustle's PhD?
< 1428408294 652669 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, it is unclear
< 1428408308 920564 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that "Jim Rustles" is the author's real name
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< 1428410077 861241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42324&oldid=42323 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+95) 10/* An interpreter in Java: */
< 1428410280 189763 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42325&oldid=42324 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+25) 10/* An interpreter in Java: */
< 1428410840 557885 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's multi-functional.
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< 1428411893 66523 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... I can't visit other courses at my university.
< 1428411905 950498 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can visit them... but I'm not allowed to attend the final exams.
< 1428411924 414297 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which absolutely sucks.
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< 1428412371 477122 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, exams don't work so well if you've seen them before.
< 1428412391 114650 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm...?
< 1428412395 758583 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you talking about?
< 1428412476 404482 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were to take the same course later, you would see the same exam again.
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< 1428412596 76240 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1428412600 763243 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They write new exams each semester
< 1428412604 399193 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not really the point.
< 1428412630 980164 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought since I'm still working at this university I could just attend some courses and get a piece of paper that states that I visited and passed them
< 1428412666 906967 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to broaden my skills
< 1428412670 670643 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't allow that.
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< 1428412699 330531 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because bureaucracy.
< 1428412707 27031 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't be too hard for the docent to correct one exam more
< 1428412757 562509 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the office to print some piece of paper and stamp it
< 1428412785 488794 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have the tools for that anyway
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< 1428412822 610448 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every student can keep track of his grades/credits in the universities online tool and can print out a report and get it stamped
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< 1428430162 469675 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: The university my father works for (YorkU) doesn't allow him to attend a course in the manner you describe, but does allow *me* to do so... Maybe you should impersonate your own son?
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< 1428439283 599755 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42329&oldid=42327 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+4) 10/* An interpreter in Java: */
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< 1428443799 652257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07A programming language is a formal constructed language designed to communicate instructions to a machine, particularly a computer.14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42330&oldid=41915 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+38) 10added tag
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< 1428446861 968864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bood daily
< 1428447510 423753 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon sørjȧn!
< 1428447552 566537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i thought i'd finally made a portmanteau so impenetrable you didn't recognize it
< 1428447599 375228 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no portmanteau too deep, no conflagration too outrageous.
< 1428447692 555855 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1428447694 31152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 072200Z 15003KT 30SM FEW240 05/M15 A3040 RMK CI1 CI TR SLP295
< 1428447708 71144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally thawing?
< 1428447708 228874 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S OVER ZERO THOUSANDS!
< 1428447716 375089 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at last!
< 1428447717 782424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1428447718 51815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 072250Z 28032KT 9999 FEW015 BKN030 06/01 Q1017 RMK WIND 670FT 29034G52KT
< 1428447736 108077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek canadians catching up
< 1428447740 55882 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is doing the dance of finally probably getting something higher than Norway soon!
< 1428447761 783652 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<(^_^<) (>^_^)> ♪
< 1428447765 630317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines that as very silly
< 1428447779 139052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :involving handstand jumps
< 1428447789 524616 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no handstands tonight. I ate soup.
< 1428447793 388258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1428447797 437093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? szoup
< 1428447804 720288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metår KSJC
< 1428447804 930728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSJC 072253Z 21011G19KT 10SM FEW028 SCT050 BKN090 15/03 A2994 RMK AO2 SLP139 T01500028 PNO
< 1428447821 216797 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit.
< 1428447830 150312 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: SJC?
< 1428447859 798218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norman Y. Mineta San Jose International Airport hth
< 1428447961 123681 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh. you're there twh?
< 1428447997 354297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearby hth
< 1428448006 339553 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tah.
< 1428448015 963546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost helped?
< 1428448057 184878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently we'll be playing kubb on sunday
< 1428448070 577599 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also helps hth
< 1428448079 163628 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google kubb
< 1428448080 249847 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubb
< 1428448080 302524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Kubb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< 1428448084 641123 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1428448125 124995 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! a lawn game!
< 1428448135 437939 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stays away from a very safe distance
< 1428448190 446129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilƴ
< 1428448246 778405 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a suspicious pixel attached to my "y".
< 1428448278 71205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ƴ
< 1428448279 112383 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+01B4 LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH HOOK]
< 1428448282 402659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me scratch it off
< 1428448285 175704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilɏ
< 1428448286 454435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1428448290 52135 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1428448294 546821 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles shachaf
< 1428448334 531664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in this case it should be mapołes
< 1428448349 705980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ł is my nemesis
< 1428448357 388345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :always looks like there's some dirt on my screen
< 1428448728 879133 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42332&oldid=42262 5* 03194.168.93.97 5* (+10) 10/* M */
< 1428448901 952862 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Meq14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42333 5* 03194.168.93.97 5* (+1881) 10Created page with "Meq was created by Richard Sparrow in April 2015.   Hello World  <pre> .==++>:+>+>[:++++++++>]:=+>===++>.===+++++++>:=+>:=++++>:++++++++>:rp>p>>p>p>p>p>p>p>p>p>p! </pre>  Inst..."
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< 1428448952 746339 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Meq14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42334&oldid=42333 5* 03194.168.93.97 5* (+64) 10
< 1428449148 603791 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I smell the unmistakeable fumet of a brainfuck derivative...
< 1428449161 170081 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.76.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just bigger.
< 1428449190 531169 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.76.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why derive from BF is you are just going to unFuck it?
< 1428449246 33646 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.76.153 NICK :AndoDaan
< 1428449379 822396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TheMeq 5*  10New user account
< 1428449414 387858 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Meq14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42335&oldid=42334 5* 03TheMeq 5* (+14) 10
< 1428449423 442217 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Meq14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42336&oldid=42335 5* 03TheMeq 5* (+4) 10
< 1428449476 660935 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Meq14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42337&oldid=42336 5* 03TheMeq 5* (+0) 10
< 1428449511 581476 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:TheMeq14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42338 5* 03TheMeq 5* (+70) 10Created page with "Hi, I'm TheMeq  I developed the [[Meq]] esoteric programming language!"
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< 1428449571 977413 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metar CYYZ
< 1428449580 331136 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`metar CYYZ
< 1428449581 122617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: metar: not found
< 1428449591 432024 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ
< 1428449591 676321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 072300Z 09007KT 15SM BKN090 BKN130 06/M08 A3031 RMK AC5AC2 SLP272
< 1428449636 262790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ƳƳȤ
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< 1428449803 274611 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they gave toronto the letters left over...
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< 1428450301 980758 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: probably the name of some nearby beacon. that's why Dorval is YUL.
< 1428450463 675096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read that as bacon and was a bit confused
< 1428450582 23057 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feeds fungot some proximal bacon
< 1428450582 143147 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the example was just a test to see if freenode would get its security act together?
< 1428450626 384001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacon, the next irc threat
< 1428450761 626284 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: apparently, YTO is the area (probably similar to the GTA, need more details). then you have YTZ for Billy Bishop, YKZ for Buttonville and YYZ for Pearson.
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< 1428450867 239492 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question130856.html, with AyatollaH's reply giving credible details.
< 1428450981 463336 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.76.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428451007 530759 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LLBG
< 1428451008 48831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLBG 072350Z VRB01KT CAVOK 15/06 Q1012 NOSIG
< 1428451073 635328 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar OREN
< 1428451073 968126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1428451077 18890 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ORIN
< 1428451077 380466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1428451122 89413 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORxx airports are in Okinawa.
< 1428451146 276889 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. ROxx, says I.
< 1428451160 524665 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORxx is Iraq.
< 1428451184 292571 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ORAN
< 1428451184 623209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1428451189 198533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ORBA
< 1428451189 649407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1428451217 95403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ORBI
< 1428451217 508723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORBI 080000Z 00000KT CAVOK 19/06 Q1010 NOSIG
< 1428451247 209127 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ORER
< 1428451247 517056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORER 072300Z 15004KT CAVOK 13/08 Q1013 NOSIG
< 1428451253 871298 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It
< 1428452486 795761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a new variant of Magic: the Gathering now, it is: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/randcommand.var
< 1428453098 351362 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live conspiracies!
< 1428453453 211352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you dreamt of nonexisting episodes of television shows?
< 1428453599 968644 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as my memory serves, no, I think not.
< 1428453622 494913 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flunked zzo38's Roman Catholic quiz. «maudit qu'y'est pas facile!»
< 1428453740 999592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Well, some of the questions are difficult; which questions did you miss?
< 1428453772 129332 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 19 out of 42. most were guessed...
< 1428453803 533429 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know the guy's called St-François-d'Assise. other than that they were wildly random.
< 1428454036 840888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of religions are you though?
< 1428454127 829504 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atheist. I was born and raised Roman Catholic for about the first half of my life.
< 1428454248 578997 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. (I was also born and raised Roman Catholic, and sometimes still go to church on Christmas Eve)
< 1428454339 230603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know Catholics, atheists, and a few others though. (I consider myself a panendeist.)
< 1428454351 377360 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? panendeist
< 1428454352 345348 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :panendeist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1428454519 839598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is still much to read in the Bible though, even if you are not Christian. I think I even read in some book written by an atheist, in a list of books he recommended, the Bible was included in that list too.
< 1428454544 503176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there is much to read in other books too!
< 1428454567 101146 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42339&oldid=42331 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-8038) 10/* An interpreter in Java: */
< 1428454619 394766 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :books are made to be read. it's their purpose in life.
< 1428454648 685688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they want you to think
< 1428454738 646586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, clearly, that is what it is, otherwise you don't need to write on it.
< 1428455099 361461 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, and I agree. I hope you take good care of your books and that you pet them regularly.
< 1428455599 476781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1428455675 115259 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(? :(
< 1428456019 611831 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :panendeist - um, lemme see pan=all en=in dei=god ist=believer "someone who believes all is in god" ?
< 1428456427 702505 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That emoticon looks seird when \ is a yen sign
< 1428456626 604986 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¥ is ¥, and \ is \.
< 1428456707 396656 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: In Japanese locales \ renders as the yen sign.
< 1428456707 878580 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... apparently the first one is a double-width yen sign
< 1428456741 518106 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :For legacy reasons.
< 1428456771 603817 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know. it's surprising the first time you're Team Viewing some desktop in Japan and all paths are C:¥...¥...¥...
< 1428456778 582982 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1428456804 500958 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you discover that in Korea it's wons all the way, but then you half-expected it anyway.
< 1428456816 52495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's because it is the Japanese character encoding I think. And then some people wanted to do it even if you are using different encoding
< 1428456860 600507 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ish. In legacy Japanese encodings there is no \ but the yen sign is encoded the same as \ in ASCII.
< 1428456886 892492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, that's what I meant the Japanese character encoding has a yen sign where standard ASCII has a backslash.
< 1428456905 195824 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So semantically it was treated as a backslash...
< 1428456922 486108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the Famicom keyboard has a yen sign, but no backslash.
< 1428456926 625444 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when they switched to Unicode they still wanted the thing-that-acted-like-backslash to look like a yen sign. :)
< 1428456955 391429 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen anime where there are computer classes and it is like printf("%d￥n",i);
< 1428456969 677185 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428456977 408044 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. Though arguably that's incorrect C.
< 1428456991 832768 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as in serial experiments Lain
< 1428457144 600188 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because their charset doesn't have \ it should be printf("%d??/n",i);
< 1428457385 697063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the character encoding has a yen sign in the place where a backslash in ASCII, then you can use yen sign in that way; C is using ASCII encoding so a variant of ASCII still, you use whatever is in the correct position of the codes. Such as, some older ASCII codes use up arrow in place of ^ so in such codes you use up arrow where ^ is expected (as XOR or whatever).
< 1428457414 957734 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimg.org/image/xg91wqvfn/342429f8/
< 1428457453 893571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when using UTF-8 Unicode the proper character should be a proper backslash. UTF-16 should not be used to write a C code though, but some other character encodings are OK (such as ISO-8859-1, or CP437, or whatever)
< 1428457499 773398 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I'm not sure what printf("%c<&\n",a); does anyway
< 1428457508 261351 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I'm not sure what printf("%c<^\n",a); does anyway
< 1428457512 719535 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I'm not sure what printf("%c<%\n",a); does anyway
< 1428457515 801168 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck
< 1428457556 952730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it isn't valid printf format string, whoever made that picture may have done the mistake
< 1428457623 876868 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from serial experiments lain... apart from the mistake he seems to be teaching how to use comparison operators or something
< 1428457739 103240 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimg.org/image/gc5maf6el/
< 1428457784 622960 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the anime doesn't show the rest of the lesson because our heroine is about to go on a crazy acid trip
< 1428457848 200408 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: GOTHIC CHICKEN
< 1428458096 162221 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: C does not use ASCII encoding.
< 1428458139 68468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it should.
< 1428458162 32772 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: C uses some encoding with the property that 0 through 9 are sequential, and a small set of characters exist.
< 1428458205 455922 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alphanumerics + !"#%&'()*+,-./:;<=>?[\]^_{|}~
< 1428458230 446739 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does C specify the visual appearance of said characters?
< 1428458246 944663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And line break too I suppose? You missed line breaks.
< 1428458261 217546 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: Not especially.
< 1428458294 420320 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Right, yes, it also requires the space character, horizontal tab, vertical tab, and form feed.
< 1428458302 445578 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then japanese computers simply have a \ that looks like ￥ instead of ＼
< 1428458348 756889 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally, at run time alert, backspace, carriage return, and newline must exist.
< 1428458369 997448 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: That is the implementation used on modern systems, yes.
< 1428458388 925471 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ simply has a locale-specific rendering, and nobody is that confused.
< 1428458396 683860 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hlxmylrhuvuaytwp QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1428458525 976938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is the C backslash character, and has the same code number as the ASCII backslash, I suppose, is how you can describe it, even if it is not a backslash.
< 1428458569 564961 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-exxzzwqgvogoillg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428458576 882163 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, {|} [\] had locale-specific renderings in nordic countries, so people would use xÄiÅ instead of x[i].
< 1428458680 596368 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: How odd, the relevant legacy encoding is ISO 8859-1, no?
< 1428458694 707057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was in the 7-bit age.
< 1428458722 608298 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ugh*, right, ISO 646 got used too.
< 1428458773 9976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the reason why irc by default consider those characters different case variants of each others
< 1428458779 823312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s
< 1428458786 139967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s
< 1428458820 683143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used the finnish variant
< 1428458903 896268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks if irssi will do that, nope
< 1428458979 864685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the server refused my /nick f\`-`\f so at least it still does
< 1428459043 912060 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 NICK :{|oren|]
< 1428459049 74140 :{|oren|]!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this works
< 1428459069 603951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[|oren|]: does this ping you
< 1428459078 813648 :{|oren|]!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1428459101 597473 :{|oren|]!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they are allowed but no longer case-viariant
< 1428459116 376310 :{|oren|]!~oren@65.94.97.99 NICK :\oren\
< 1428459142 968905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: no, they are case-invariant in the server
< 1428459158 482360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for freenode, anyway
< 1428459172 471977 :\oren\!~oren@65.94.97.99 NICK :orin
< 1428459201 520300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you try to do /nick or /whois with a variant of them, it will be blocked/displayed
< 1428459233 922746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the nick is in use in some variation)
< 1428459292 19604 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The british variant of iso646 had # as £ apparently
< 1428459564 93766 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had ISO 646 IRV for this reason...
< 1428460314 591647 :lmt!~nikita@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428460318 461184 :lmt!~nikita@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1428460319 912053 :lmt!~nikita@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :big channel
< 1428460344 551189 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome lmt
< 1428460345 872283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09lmt: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08<http://esolangs.org/>. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06irc.dal.net.)
< 1428460354 565094 :lmt!~nikita@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very big channel
< 1428460365 449053 :lmt!~nikita@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did it get so big?
< 1428460378 399915 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got here via the wiki
< 1428460426 268373 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are a ton of bots on this channel, so it inflates the nubmers a bit
< 1428460430 789050 :lmt!~nikita@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1428460433 128907 :lmt!~nikita@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains it
< 1428460460 432262 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example fungot HackEgo lambdabot idrisbot...
< 1428460460 673518 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: fnord returns true if ( eq val 4) code" from a different angle ( make-rectangular 4 1) 2 3
< 1428460584 131984 :darwin!~d@206.63.237.146 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428460619 272978 :darwin!~d@206.63.237.146 PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1428460646 653021 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1428460716 203520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bots aren't more than about 10%...
< 1428460726 475657 :lmt!~nikita@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan 
< 1428460729 61835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi l*m**t)
< 1428460761 495791 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I awake
< 1428460791 733012 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you mean l*m*****t?
< 1428460793 29438 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a general sense, or right now?
< 1428460800 465205 :lmt!~nikita@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice pdf in the topic
< 1428460803 300805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm we are indeed pretty big
< 1428460807 623252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: nope hth
< 1428460811 514238 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh 106
< 1428460832 779419 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what is going on
< 1428460843 584968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: with what?
< 1428460854 12463 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the asterisks in lmt
< 1428460862 911144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a whois
< 1428460870 329544 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :俺も何も分かんない
< 1428460888 147863 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1428460972 106849 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also confused about why I am awake
< 1428461012 101046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: gramlins hth
< 1428461016 412524 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no
< 1428461022 625733 :lmt!~nikita@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i were cool enough to be in the list of people in the pdf :(
< 1428461034 680656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why my fingers insisted on spelling it with an a
< 1428461077 888738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmt: it's mostly extracted from stuff in HackEgo.  it may not go back far enough.
< 1428461091 474921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can add stuff into HackEgo yourself though, instead of using PDF
< 1428461138 918267 :lmt!~nikita@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1428461140 377937 :lmt!~nikita@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :later
< 1428461141 79406 :lmt!~nikita@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PART :#esoteric
< 1428461167 765016 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oren
< 1428461169 544567 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1227) <oren> when i was a kid it used to snow on christmas eve. what is this "freezing rain", "sleet" crap?  <vanila> yeah seriously, who is evn in charge anymore?  <oren> apparently not santa claus  <zzo38> Santa Claus is dead by now. \ 1228) <{\[oren]|}> ｚｚｏ３８：ｉｔ　ｗｉｌｌ　ｃａｕｓｅ　ｐｒｏｂｌｅｍｓ　ｂｙ
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< 1428461208 609895 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oren
< 1428461209 489561 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1227) <oren> when i was a kid it used to snow on christmas eve. what is this "freezing rain", "sleet" crap?  <vanila> yeah seriously, who is evn in charge anymore?  <oren> apparently not santa claus  <zzo38> Santa Claus is dead by now. \ 1228) <{\[oren]|}> ｚｚｏ３８：ｉｔ　ｗｉｌｌ　ｃａｕｓｅ　ｐｒｏｂｌｅｍｓ　ｂｙ
< 1428461212 958430 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote orin
< 1428461213 773158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :49) <Madelon> both of you, quit it with the f-bombs.  <Madelon> kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in? \ 109) <CakeProphet> how does a "DNA computer" work.  <CakeProphet> von neumann machines?  <Phantom_Hoover> CakeProphet, that's boring in the context of DNA.  <Phantom_Hoover> It's just stealing the universe's w
< 1428461238 166586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :might add a <
< 1428461246 819016 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote <orin
< 1428461247 665758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428461252 536246 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote <oren
< 1428461254 105857 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1227) <oren> when i was a kid it used to snow on christmas eve. what is this "freezing rain", "sleet" crap?  <vanila> yeah seriously, who is evn in charge anymore?  <oren> apparently not santa claus  <zzo38> Santa Claus is dead by now. \ 1238) <oren> is instant coffee stronger than espresso? I think it must be... [...] <oren> Ohh.... so apparently 
< 1428461276 502505 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote taneb cows
< 1428461277 170695 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428461280 936798 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote taneb * cows
< 1428461281 661402 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428461289 132852 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote instant
< 1428461289 736282 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote punched myself in the face
< 1428461289 978060 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :512) <Patashu> dangit I need someone who knows the answers to my problems instantly and is always around for me!  <Patashu> I need.....an adult ;_; \ 1117) <ais523> hmm… I guess the difference between me and most esolangers is that I don't instantly go and put it into a BF derivative and call it a day \ 1127) <Sgeo> I designed a norn to drop dead
< 1428461290 460531 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :401) <Taneb> Look, I often walk my dog through a field with cows in it. And I punched myself in the face once.
< 1428461294 811617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's regexps, Taneb 
< 1428461302 681157 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1428461307 609435 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regexps?
< 1428461308 927925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the `quote syntax
< 1428461309 936872 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All along?
< 1428461323 831794 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the watchtower
< 1428461377 57548 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god my compulsive word association is coming back
< 1428461391 678702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the future
< 1428461414 990402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion the best program for online quizzes is Internet Quiz Engine; the other ones require you to use a GUI and are slow. Isn't it?
< 1428461425 350109 :augur!~augur@71.57.177.235 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428461435 896499 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read the topic's PDF for 3rd time) ...I think that was originally Starcraft mentioned in my entry.
< 1428461453 905774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lifthrasiir
< 1428461454 715559 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir is shunned by the rest of his country for being no good at League of Legends.
< 1428461465 512584 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oren
< 1428461466 339980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house.
< 1428461470 418971 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1428461475 388332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url wisdom/lifthrasiir
< 1428461476 425287 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/lifthrasiir
< 1428461492 187475 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, historic.
< 1428461511 187598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should remove that PDF to make room for other stuff; you can link information from HackEgo and so on. Of course the PDF and other information can also be found in the logs. Right now it is unnecessary but it might be useful in future to remove this link
< 1428461513 62772 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my memory is that inaccurate then
< 1428461527 127937 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to switch the parts
< 1428461534 782232 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oren instant
< 1428461536 536698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428461547 31878 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oren.*instant
< 1428461547 902618 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1238) <oren> is instant coffee stronger than espresso? I think it must be... [...] <oren> Ohh.... so apparently the jar says one scoop of powder per mug, I assumed an equal amount of powder and boiling water
< 1428461565 398030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: it's been that way since 2012 at least
< 1428461582 808040 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is busy switching his parts
< 1428461611 418876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, when HackEgo's repository history was wiped out last
< 1428461616 891588 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :week
< 1428461676 502423 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requiring to use a GUI is barbaric
< 1428461687 424086 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverted. it didn't work well.
< 1428461730 333375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you start remembering the future instead
< 1428462002 642314 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless time is multidimensional, no.
< 1428462092 982495 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1124
< 1428462093 705826 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1124) <Taneb> kmc, I was trying to go to a sci-fi and fantasy society social, and I went to the wrong bar  <Taneb> Wound up at my university's fetish society  <Taneb> Didn't realise for an hour and a half
< 1428462102 480336 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone apparently has now done the reverse of that
< 1428462110 445150 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the balance of the universe is restored
< 1428462217 854950 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they saw "Fantasy" in the society name and jumped to conclusions)
< 1428462389 230170 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.26 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone.
< 1428462404 963936 :augur!~augur@71.57.177.235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ahahaha thats great :)
< 1428462448 321753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1428464315 394968 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428465615 26318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to hack Pokemon Pinball? There is a problem with the game, that the Mewtwo stage you can earn too many points. Also how to make Visual Boy Advance to allow opposite directions pushed together?
< 1428466265 717677 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1127
< 1428466271 944636 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1127) <Sgeo> I designed a norn to drop dead instantly if he ever thought about eating elevators. He was stillborn.
< 1428466278 36468 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does dying norns have to do with punching myself in the face?
< 1428468023 481654 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you creating those norns and me punching myself in the face both got in the quote file
< 1428468328 596575 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why were you interested about me being on TDT?
< 1428468723 787482 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1428468789 172356 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I was just surprised at it, and surprised at the continued existed of TDT
< 1428468998 984057 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TDT? isn't that the thing from lessworng 
< 1428469000 133334 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1428469033 433405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :timeless devteam, sounds about right
< 1428469078 16513 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he was on the Nethack dev team?
< 1428469087 698558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tdt
< 1428469091 227396 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdt? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1428469099 739627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#scow
< 1428469100 878959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coppro
< 1428469101 846626 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro prefers his nickname, Pooppy.
< 1428469128 369220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn tdt/That doesn't tdt.
< 1428469139 512298 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «tdt»
< 1428469190 558108 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have heard TDT referring to "timeless decision theory" which is some philosophy where people in the future can make threats to people in the past by simulating them, or some nonsense likt that
< 1428469218 2262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fancy
< 1428469243 895793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether using // as a separator would be better for slashlearn
< 1428469245 320363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hth
< 1428469258 151369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way you could learn inside directories.
< 1428469275 165081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, but then you'd need it to mkdirs too
< 1428469284 474594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it works to just one slash; I don't expect you need subdirectories (but, I don't know for sure).
< 1428469299 724121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You and me both, zzo38.
< 1428469309 67268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, did you play the discworld computer game?
< 1428469313 287166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think we should encourage subdirectories too much, although wisdom has some.
< 1428469418 382643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another xkcd map
< 1428469665 408057 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this context I think The DevTeam was what was meant
< 1428469945 896022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvNLw7IHWmw#t=19m49s hth
< 1428470683 246716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever watched a television show called "To Be Announced"?
< 1428471438 286819 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1428471531 709873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Not that I recall
< 1428473609 550860 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1428474550 575794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Socrates a good golfer?
< 1428474880 705968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good golfers are immortal so no hth
< 1428476101 429630 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428480566 661597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428481273 206616 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all immortal people are good golfers?
< 1428481600 974213 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428482247 544667 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Socrates is everyman; in other words every man is Socrates. Therefore every man is mortal.
< 1428482296 62055 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.207 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428482540 606087 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except Hades.
< 1428482608 646183 :gjord!~irc@unaffiliated/gjord PART :#esoteric
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< 1428483692 744244 :merdach!~k@stargate.cat.pdx.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1428483714 817625 :fractal!~fractal@2607:fcd0:100:4300::3e34:746 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1428483838 430673 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there two-dimensional languages besides rail that do have commands that need more than one character?
< 1428484234 771153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: there's some sort of cross between INTERCAL and Befunge, I think
< 1428484241 417825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works like that
< 1428484248 637198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wasn't very interesting IMO
< 1428484260 716639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hmm
< 1428484267 688918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check my very first esolang
< 1428484292 482728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I can even find where it's got ot
< 1428484294 97453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*got to
< 1428484356 219392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :   * The playfield is made out of blocks of commands and data. The blocks are^M
< 1428484357 718857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :   * 2x2 blocks arranged in a hex-grid pattern, like this:^M
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< 1428484389 424965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I had enough foresight to document how the language actually worked
< 1428484393 688140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something of an improvement on Burn
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< 1428484464 727947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: http://nethack4.org/esolangs/el1.c
< 1428484477 876078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may as well "release" it, now I remembered it exists
< 1428484510 347611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the file's dated 2006, that seems plausible
< 1428484582 96583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm trying to figure out what platform this was developed on
< 1428484599 711358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Windows-style newlines and order of the platform defines give some clues
< 1428484603 245438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it may have been DOS
< 1428484619 759394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a while, Windows (especially pre-Vista) becomes annoying enough that anything is better :-(
< 1428484625 650544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't have a lot of options back then
< 1428484906 486238 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it uses a hex grid
< 1428484907 85858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1428484916 880882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good reason for it to be 4 by 4
< 1428484935 541754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's better than most people's first attempts
< 1428484944 419007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does rather miss the point it was aiming to illustrate
< 1428484945 880313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps not
< 1428485034 744890 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where will you release it? esolangs.org?
< 1428485093 499265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just put the file online
< 1428485124 630208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's very hard to search for files that originally came from a case-insensitive system, when your existing copy of them is on a case-sensitive system
< 1428485137 114375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have to guess the capitalization
< 1428485177 792320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just search for all capitalizations?
< 1428485234 199428 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1428485383 1194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I did in the end
< 1428485396 628934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily "el1" only has two cased characters in it
< 1428485403 189477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, I found the source on the second try
< 1428485408 696030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first try found only the executables
< 1428485443 681135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could try to get them running in wineconsole, but figuring out how an esolang works based on an /implementation executable/ is pretty hard unless it gives good error messages
< 1428485595 943801 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it has comments explaining how it works,
< 1428485600 304775 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly
< 1428485612 387364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that should make things much easier
< 1428485612 630450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can guess the rest from the source and testing
< 1428485625 830479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think it's a complete spec, just one written in an awkward style
< 1428485627 32134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't see why you need a wineconsole for it
< 1428485632 272585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again, which is believeable for my first esolang)
< 1428485633 723881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I don't 
< 1428485641 141651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a hypothetical about "what if all I had was the executable"
< 1428485645 583298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1428485706 383759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's by an old compiler which doesn't optimize too much so disassembling and debugging would help a bit more than these days, but yeah.
< 1428485918 34929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006 isn't /that/ old, but the compiler itself may well be much older
< 1428485935 799197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd either be a version of DJGPP which was current at the time (i.e. basically gcc-circa-2006 levels of optimization)
< 1428485941 952752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Borland C++ 4, which was ancient even at the time
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< 1428487509 919162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads a US court case, and is amused to see it discussing which state's laws to use to determine which state's laws to use
< 1428487537 895492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the court case used New York state laws to determine that California state laws were those that applied to the rest of the case)
< 1428487645 964849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain I don't know what to complain about.
< 1428487648 142198 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaint filed. Thank you.
< 1428487947 833848 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`complain about frivolous use of the complain command.
< 1428487948 594291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complaint filed. Thank you.
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< 1428488351 936465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see a human vs. compiler asm-writing contest
< 1428488354 661303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a range of processors
< 1428488379 496395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think on most embedded systems, the human would win easily, because IME the compilers suck there
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< 1428489342 801466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the problem is that computers only have a source code, have to stick to that literally even when the programmer wrote sucky source code, whereas humans know the purpose and hopefully even test input data to know what to optimize for
< 1428489359 17623 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sometimes the computers have test input data too, and use profile-based optimization, but that's rare)
< 1428489373 426241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1428489378 617440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should allow PGO here
< 1428489405 150069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, the benefit from it isn't usually that large, it's mostly just used to know how likely a branch is to be taken
< 1428489936 507320 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.91.207 PART #esoteric :"Leave channel"
< 1428489971 775238 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The human usually knows a great deal of non-aliasing and frequent special case and similar information that the computer can't divine from the code.
< 1428489998 325895 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also expected array sizes or loop counts.
< 1428490501 219099 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm against using life expectantcy as a "quality of life"-measurement.
< 1428490589 946813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the risk that one set or other of the code is compiled flat-out wrong
< 1428490596 775669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely the human-generated version
< 1428490652 572243 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, people produce a lot of flawed benchmark without even testing that the snippets they ran really compute the solution at all
< 1428490665 593683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I never believe timing benchmarks unless I produce them myself
< 1428490677 277796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why alioth claims it shouldn't be taken seriously
< 1428490698 924183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's too much skill influence from the human coders
< 1428490714 111333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it'd be a struggle doing some of that stuff in INTERCAL at all, let alone via the fastest possible algorithm
< 1428490746 616499 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just stick to human versus human.
< 1428490756 640721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/ for people who don't know about it
< 1428490790 512877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They can use computers, which are just tools, totally not secretly our masters.)
< 1428491560 727638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you believe benchmarks?
< 1428491560 780694 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it has been run and debugged now i am depressed... there's been good and bad.
< 1428491634 444551 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Debugging benchmarks sounds like fun.
< 1428491634 859903 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: when developing full applications it is fnord illustrative of how heavy on style and light on substance java really is an amazing hack that abuses the fnord interleaving ( like in pascal :)
< 1428491715 441129 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's abso-fnording-lutely amazing.
< 1428491728 870973 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's fnord funny.
< 1428491765 777308 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord (adj): We don't for the fnord of it know what fnord means.
< 1428491769 14295 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also adv.
< 1428491771 225541 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also n.
< 1428491772 362125 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and v.
< 1428491794 205432 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life is fnord after all.
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< 1428493392 903502 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would expect custom compiler backends to enter such a contest if people took it seriously
< 1428493413 899055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be hard to get enough people to take such a contest seriously
< 1428493436 130339 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also humans would take hours to write assembly code by hand, imagine if you gave superopt ten hours
< 1428493441 265046 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(RIP superopt)
< 1428493484 200849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did superopt just try every combination of optimization settings to see which worked best?
< 1428493513 371559 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, I'm not affraid to lose my work to this kind of stuff.
< 1428493556 308766 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Superopt
< 1428493585 210058 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in reality superopt wouldn't get very far in ten hours
< 1428493651 191666 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably make a compiler backend out of smt solvers or static analysers, some of them can guess loop invariants now
< 1428493660 467729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that page is really short on info and has a couple of external links that look like they go to the info
< 1428493664 831210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they just redirect back to itself
< 1428493736 56516 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that it was “released on 3 June 1995” the fact that it still has a webpage is quite impressive
< 1428493826 784596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm downloading the source to get information about how it works
< 1428493858 230126 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most likely it only works for small pure functions
< 1428493899 411515 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :and optimises them for processors that you don't have any more
< 1428493937 493779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I keep all my old processors around just in case!
< 1428493966 774180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is smaller than I expected
< 1428493977 575580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls | wc -l
< 1428493979 465978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13
< 1428493980 713174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all are regular files
< 1428493988 263378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when does a software project only have 13 files in it?
< 1428494006 374178 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wc -l *.{c,h}   ?
< 1428494014 357374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try ls -a instead of ls :-)
< 1428494028 123072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5873 total
< 1428494032 880484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but .. isn't part of the project
< 1428494036 169773 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite small, yeso
< 1428494036 345276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably . is
< 1428494038 744160 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes*
< 1428494064 27938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: a large part of it seems to be written in a DSL, though
< 1428494067 965246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the C file being the DSL interp
< 1428494072 95329 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, ok, then ls -A
< 1428494076 211482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comes to another 5518 lines
< 1428494184 921662 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you kept your old i686 in working condition for this very moment
< 1428494204 951203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :processor probably works
< 1428494209 835196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the rest of the machine though
< 1428494212 307888 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it should be mentioned that present-day compilers still compile for i686, for some reasons
< 1428494231 933142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think one of the machines still has a 16-bit processor
< 1428494243 61245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I booted it up like 5 or 6 years ago to see if it was still working
< 1428494254 910037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard drive was unreadable but it could boot and run from floppy disk
< 1428494342 917169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :superopt seems quite specific in its use
< 1428494353 724156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could try to get it to come up with a fast inverse square root or the like
< 1428494376 793689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unless the FPU has an instruction specifically for doing that (in which case the search will be fast), it'd be unlikely to find it in a reasonable length of time
< 1428494380 62015 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it would find the right 32-bit constant in time
< 1428494408 421839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's actually a range of constants that work
< 1428494419 803383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one in the infamous code isn't right in the middle of it, either
< 1428494430 605314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might just have been a trial and error thing
< 1428494487 685816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, idea
< 1428494490 163041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :superopt rainbow tables
< 1428494500 550475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're already running all possible program fragments already, right?
< 1428494519 341084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you may as well try some standard inputs on all of them, produce a corresponding hash code
< 1428494535 770520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when you want to implement a new function optimally, just look it up in the table and see if the impl is correct
< 1428494571 129324 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately for us humans, we love to make short passwords and long programs.
< 1428494606 673369 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could make that into a distributed "optimal functions for everything" search
< 1428494659 29368 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the problem with that is often you want to implement a partial function
< 1428494668 19222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't just table that
< 1428494698 405273 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so easily as complete functions
< 1428494714 503214 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use wildcards for the inputs outside the domain, but searching with wildcards is slower.
< 1428494928 836469 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1428495064 748759 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be password schemes/hash functions with error correction codes.
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< 1428500235 385647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:49:23 <Jafet> You could probably make a compiler backend out of smt solvers  or static analysers, some of them can guess loop invariants now
< 1428500242 924733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :regehr is doing stuff like this
< 1428500248 353587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :superoptimisation with an SMT solver
< 1428500318 281021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this reminds me of the TASvideos Polarium Automated Solver War
< 1428500328 824791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which someone eventually won using a SAT solver
< 1428500393 523579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1109 http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1146 http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1192 http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1219
< 1428500601 174862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe an INTERCAL superoptimizer would be interesting
< 1428500623 339134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fun fact: superoptimisation was pioneered by alexia massalin, who also wrote the famous Synthesis OS thesis)
< 1428500665 378718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, violin's using a satisfaction solver already (I forget the technical term for the class of satisfaction solver that gprolog has)
< 1428500695 785442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :violin?
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< 1428500787 121818 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1428500820 581790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.lang.intercal/fcxkgc7Pomk
< 1428500831 952642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(much as I hate linking Google Groups, but it isn't archived elsewhere)
< 1428500861 764239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Creating an extra thread to do the addition is somewhat inefficient"
< 1428500874 957775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, you're going to end up secretly controling nethack development through coppro, right
< 1428500899 665267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's more involved here than is public
< 1428500932 893056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just say, if I wanted to secretly control NetHack development, even without coppro I'd probably find a way
< 1428500988 400884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, Google interprets the filename "violin.pl" as an URL
< 1428500991 756449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared to visit it
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< 1428501662 605030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This syntax was designed to look reassuringly familiar, yet be surprisingly  unintuitive in practice (especially when writing it by hand)."
< 1428501667 340650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to read my old esolang stuff more oftne
< 1428501673 667678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*more often
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< 1428504187 117137 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I am binging Girl Genius again
< 1428504197 533616 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think I have just spotted an Animal Crossing reference
< 1428504228 831114 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20090121 Major Resetti - Mr Resetti is a mole in Animal Crossing
< 1428504423 976548 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Stop it.
< 1428504429 494691 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1428504436 659348 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Press the button with a square on it
< 1428504440 246282 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a filled square that is.
< 1428504452 271157 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or press the one with two vertical lines
< 1428504455 382652 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll work as well.
< 1428504474 886455 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just don't fnording press the button with a triangle on it.
< 1428504504 761657 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fnord easy.
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< 1428508798 28631 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the button with a square on it, that's "maximize" in the window bar, right?
< 1428508833 984173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a filled square, though, not an unfilled square
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< 1428511558 161345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what were you quoting above?
< 1428511580 815008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: violin documentation
< 1428511591 317916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is in the sharball in the post I linked above
< 1428511603 577731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.lang.intercal/fcxkgc7Pomk to save you the trouble of scrolling back
< 1428512191 933380 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it called violin
< 1428512207 536995 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428512449 699755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the file that implements assignments in C-INTERCAL is called fiddle.c
< 1428512559 597703 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1428512637 604927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because it fiddles with things
< 1428512680 913508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does bit-twiddling
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< 1428513006 267169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<spambot> How are you going to get a bit slimmer? It's barely possible in your case.
< 1428513014 483652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time I've seen spambots actually throw insults around
< 1428513091 156573 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, isn't that a compliment? 
< 1428513112 663258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure at this point
< 1428513123 2482 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe a expression of concern for your anorexia?
< 1428513157 190496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I interpreted it as "there's no /way/ someone like you is ever going to slim without the product we're selling", with a sidecurrent of "and you really need it"
< 1428513179 736420 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. From a spambot, that would make sense.
< 1428513180 580068 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Pro tip: Eating spam is not a healthy diet. )
< 1428513192 16054 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam is, however, delicious
< 1428513200 367811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say so.
< 1428513236 921533 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially spam sandwiches with hot saucece
< 1428513367 991313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a store he called spamacyt
< 1428513384 521958 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't been inside, but i think it's just an unfortunate portmanteau of "spa" and "pharmacy"
< 1428513418 783263 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's no t on the end...that was a typo)
< 1428514644 493985 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1428515117 363665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that reply to the violin thread spam
< 1428515124 724359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just incomprehensible
< 1428515147 898719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sort-of, I think it's from someone who wants to contribute to alt.lang.intercal but doesn't know enough INTERCAL to make any sense of the content
< 1428515156 70519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.lang.intercal/aTAikUJ2yDc nice replying to 2002 posts in 2014
< 1428515257 573587 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428515887 2998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The company that runs blogspot web site isn't widely known in Europe. For example I don't know if it is from Bermuda or from Finland; latter due to usage of double vowels in its name (Hei Hyvää päivää! Mitä kuuluu?). But I know that it knows your fetishes better than other companies and even better than you do. It's hidden under /settings/ads URL and then Interests, in case you don't know. 
< 1428515895 77685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a joke, or...
< 1428515902 488884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the joke is pretending google is a finnish company??
< 1428515930 407637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the third sentence makes me think it's a joke
< 1428515940 982817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest can be interpreted as "it's hard to discover which company it is that runs blogspot"
< 1428515955 322096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the double vowel thing only makes sense with "google"
< 1428515965 337188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because blogspot and blogger do not have two adjacent vowels in them
< 1428515972 188315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case it probably is a joke, but not a very good one
< 1428515975 849632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :p
< 1428516260 301463 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428518085 512144 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1428518444 220108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the... the Hurr Durr archives frontpage at https://www.hurrdurr.org/ doesn't list 4.0-rc7 
< 1428518601 378287 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1428519888 570369 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428520243 92119 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1428520243 431859 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |
< 1428520243 669846 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  >\
< 1428520422 916720 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428520915 995476 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Quit: mitchs
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< 1428523283 798381 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep
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< 1428523924 298394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1428525278 755126 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimg.org/image/jg0irvjzb/
< 1428525593 833099 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4c6f4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428527255 323900 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1428528947 993818 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428529385 876166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1428529457 219783 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03FreedomSka 5*  10New user account
< 1428530011 769045 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1428530325 916998 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428530329 911931 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428530342 743740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428530446 639037 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42340&oldid=42332 5* 03FreedomSka 5* (+18) 10
< 1428530467 108477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EncryptFuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42341 5* 03FreedomSka 5* (+706) 10Created page with "'''EncryptFuck''' is a encrypted version of a similar brainfuck code created by [[User:FreedomSka|FreedomSka]]  This is a comment <pre> : COMMENTS </pre> The syntax it's like ..."
< 1428530586 667982 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming is hard
< 1428530601 207032 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EncryptFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42342&oldid=42341 5* 03FreedomSka 5* (+28) 10
< 1428530615 885392 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can be all like "This bad default is breaking stuff and fixing it won't hurt user code" and some idiot user's code does break
< 1428530701 821829 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1428530705 279327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this applies to life in general.
< 1428530721 764784 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EncryptFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42343&oldid=42342 5* 03FreedomSka 5* (+24) 10
< 1428530782 40725 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:FreedomSka14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42344 5* 03FreedomSka 5* (+53) 10Created page with "[[https://esolangs.org/wiki/EncryptFuck|EncryptFuck]]"
< 1428530820 147254 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgello. hellørjan.
< 1428530821 249522 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:FreedomSka14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42345&oldid=42344 5* 03FreedomSka 5* (-38) 10
< 1428530826 723755 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on average, we're all idiot user code.
< 1428531099 854240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjoily
< 1428531708 75037 :lleu!~gnomebad@158.223.170.148 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428531708 76135 :lleu!~gnomebad@158.223.170.148 QUIT :Changing host
< 1428531708 77200 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428532127 394438 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome lleu
< 1428532128 633158 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02lleu: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09<http://esolangs.org/>. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.)
< 1428532168 954121 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks boily
< 1428532170 323360 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Meq14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42346&oldid=42337 5* 03194.168.93.97 5* (+90) 10
< 1428532224 780600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03TheMeq 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Meq-ide-screenshot.png10]]": Screenshot of the Meq IDE
< 1428532263 277652 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Meq14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42348&oldid=42346 5* 03TheMeq 5* (-14) 10
< 1428533863 960214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EncryptFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42349&oldid=42343 5* 0387.11.7.181 5* (+50) 10
< 1428533935 684600 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EncryptFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42350&oldid=42349 5* 0387.11.7.181 5* (+8) 10
< 1428534593 510793 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428535640 398689 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factorio is a pretty fun hardware description language.
< 1428535664 898792 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a page for it on Esolang.
< 1428535672 860297 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Focusing, obviously, on how to compute with it.
< 1428536223 144765 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
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< 1428536933 142704 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EncryptFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42351&oldid=42350 5* 0387.11.7.181 5* (+224) 10
< 1428537871 961560 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I appear to have burned a fingertip on my teapot. ow.
< 1428538253 507609 :v4s!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1428538257 136673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit late now, but did you cool it in running water
< 1428538303 898108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1428538315 580473 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1428538321 671389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think it's supposed to be slightly less than lukewarm, my memory is a bit vague.)
< 1428538327 913389 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1428538341 422356 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: int-ello. LAMBDABOOOOOOOOOOT!
< 1428538343 297622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad, that's supposed to help reduce damage.
< 1428538385 457329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it doesn't seem to have reonlogged
< 1428538396 200323 :v4s!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428538406 293909 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it blisters, I'll cut away some aloe vera and bandage it around my finger.
< 1428538416 673299 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now, where to find that plant by this time of the year...)
< 1428538418 871672 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1428538420 157976 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428538426 397442 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, no lambdie.
< 1428538439 133985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it hasn't noticed it pinged out yet
< 1428538446 833159 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION repeatedly prods int-e with his mapole
< 1428538451 349690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's rejoining
< 1428538457 619055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO NEED TO PANICK
< 1428538467 902987 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I PANIC OKAY HTH
< 1428538482 301918 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's always fun to mapole people ^^
< 1428538537 58725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect int-e may be sleeping at this time
< 1428538627 888062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does take it's sweet time rejoining
< 1428538630 987512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its
< 1428538658 215947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it's to avoid getting flooded out
< 1428538666 34724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428538669 68937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's a way to speed that up
< 1428538722 83534 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3otBjVZzT0
< 1428538846 255447 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1428538846 492491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 090000Z 05008KT 1 1/2SM -SN BKN006 OVC018 01/M01 A3036 RMK SF7SC1 SLP283
< 1428538861 73381 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snow. it's fungotting snowing. an April 8.
< 1428538861 305459 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sarahbot later tell foxfire, why doesn't anything ever work right? or was that 92, we all know
< 1428538919 736607 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: IIRC, I was in Ontario during winter 92. (or were we still on Québec City's South Shore?)
< 1428538919 967089 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what i'm trying without success. i was thinking glass might have moved there.
< 1428538983 37423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you in ontario in autumn 95
< 1428539015 758650 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was
< 1428539052 780630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you in waterloo ...
< 1428539141 896414 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we were in QC. the Ontario period was spent in Hamilton.
< 1428539142 117241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1428539150 149612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another incredible coincidence narrowly averted.
< 1428539150 270100 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it coppro who's a Waterlooian?
< 1428539163 865689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but i think he got there after that?
< 1428539183 830540 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. the only #esöterist I met IRL was lexande.
< 1428539244 745444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know that i've met any, but then i've not left norway since i came here.
< 1428539267 265646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won 5 prizes, expiring at the end of the month: "A .ME for free" "A .EU for free" "A .WEBSITE for free" "A .XYZ for free", "A .INFO for €1"
< 1428539268 232229 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was postdoc at UofW
< 1428539268 473702 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Waterloovian
< 1428539285 639380 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like whovian
< 1428539306 273629 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: .xyz?
< 1428539319 310801 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: tdh.
< 1428539323 67396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I do with them?
< 1428539353 991463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: did you happen to have an office next to dave wagner twh
< 1428539378 3195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: do you happen to play prismata twh
< 1428539385 725810 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh?
< 1428539392 197249 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i was a few offices from my supervisor Ming Li
< 1428539406 291220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mingling with ming li, check
< 1428539407 760749 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my office is about fifty meters from his
< 1428539411 532561 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dave wagner)
< 1428539437 165528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well i did point you towards him didn't i
< 1428539443 954264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an earlier occasion
< 1428539456 160586 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think so
< 1428539479 973509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, he's one of the few ex-agorans i've met
< 1428539481 823958 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tdh
< 1428539488 574354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh is the past tense of a successful hth. hth.
< 1428539525 520907 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't play prismata. But I know egrant.
< 1428539534 364833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: clearly you should register SHA.ME hth
< 1428539599 562846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's already registered hth
< 1428539616 517004 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pom.me?
< 1428539659 192471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1428539668 49514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LA.ME
< 1428539710 415116 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovelove.me?
< 1428539710 774428 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: who are you now?
< 1428539720 704880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect that dictionary words are all taken anyway.
< 1428539736 462829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: KIK.ME hth
< 1428539768 484561 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am still tromp now
< 1428539785 809414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION so helpful
< 1428539851 37369 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: ok. I just figured you weren't a person when you were a postdoc at UW because you were a postdoc at UW.
< 1428539876 305387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: IJOINEDACONTESTANDALLIGOTWASTHISLOUSY.WEBSITE
< 1428539882 997697 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should register amphetami.ne
< 1428539898 749739 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it costs $100 to update your DNS records
< 1428539901 13645 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :value
< 1428539907 856643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think enough amphetas have been mined already hth
< 1428539952 105380 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go back to ignoring every message ending with hth
< 1428539970 135887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever do so
< 1428540020 664497 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth let's see if copprop can hear me hth
< 1428540031 506624 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes
< 1428540033 199557 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was bliss
< 1428540036 10236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is rather hthso.me
< 1428540037 621770 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. well. maybe if I didn't completely typo his name...
< 1428540047 947122 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth coppro hth
< 1428540109 343284 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copprop highlights me
< 1428540111 624008 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably a bug
< 1428540122 946584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/chaf\b/ hilights me
< 1428540246 691701 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does שאחאף highlights you?
< 1428540252 591204 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1428540265 487740 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meh. weechat doesn't rtl...)
< 1428540266 986066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no, and it has too many letters anyway
< 1428540278 424866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I think that's your terminal's job.
< 1428540285 464594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :שחף would be the correct spelling.
< 1428540326 112538 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Ubuntu's default terminal thingy. let's see if there's some setting in there...
< 1428540344 658533 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I should've guessed myself the complete absence of written vowels...
< 1428541053 898046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht's hbrw fr y
< 1428541074 10439 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :homebrew for you?
< 1428541087 474773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, please
< 1428541230 781899 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:EncryptFuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42352 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+251) 10Created page with "Unless non-labeled loops are assumed to be equivalent to Brainf*** loops, I have reason to believe that this language, as it stands, is not turing complete. ~~~~"
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< 1428542736 300690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> i guess the joke is pretending google is a finnish company?? <-- it's even worse because g is not a native sound in finnish
< 1428543583 621344 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: WAVERING CHICKEN
< 1428545166 384295 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which metal comes from hematite?
< 1428545183 121219 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iron.
< 1428545186 686450 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1428545200 805651 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"heme" == "iron" FWIW.
< 1428545205 555467 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hence "hemaglobin")
< 1428545222 546819 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good because that means I can make iron weapons
< 1428545251 11712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*o
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< 1428545411 944221 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I can make magma pumps from iron
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< 1428560229 124108 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God damn it, my water pumping system accidentally a whole lake
< 1428560263 26541 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENOVERB
< 1428560408 710328 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERB='created'
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< 1428564309 92032 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1
< 1428564310 482643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1
< 1428564381 300584 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it did come back by itself anyway.
< 1428564571 364518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :premature panic
< 1428564722 20055 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was one failed reconnection attempt
< 1428564724 31364 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1428564766 887152 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1428564819 940631 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the ISP's twitter feed says "Investigating network blip in NL"
< 1428564828 270638 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So perhaps that was it.
< 1428564967 397566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Zzleep
< 1428565376 867628 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello
< 1428565393 221847 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, are you playing Dwarf Fortress
< 1428566131 16236 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah
< 1428566230 742788 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I was. And then I flooded my entire fortress and the entire map, killing virtually every living thing on it
< 1428566250 522747 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this time it was an accident
< 1428566648 575340 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your water pumping system accidentally fnorded a whole lake?
< 1428566784 727289 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I do that on occasion
< 1428567094 734123 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Welcome to the Venetian Underground )
< 1428568591 47794 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my keyboard arrived yesterday
< 1428568595 533087 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the musical instrument keyboard
< 1428568601 874916 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the typing device keyboard
< 1428568944 503091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1428569027 99820 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1428569036 897511 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I can annoy everybody even better in the whole house!
< 1428569055 245409 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can annoy them with my Flugelhorn, my flute, my euhponium, my keyboard
< 1428569058 345226 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and soon with my trombone!
< 1428569118 313322 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fnord annoying.
< 1428569819 337663 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1428570312 799036 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1428570312 874087 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1428570336 633779 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? A
< 1428570337 955311 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is _not_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters.
< 1428570453 369956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Å
< 1428570454 55353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Å? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1428570456 717287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh
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< 1428570492 530341 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Å _is_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters.
< 1428570501 740577 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'Å': Å _is_ a village in Norway, unless you're the BBC and don't understand things on top of letters.
< 1428570522 516035 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? BBC
< 1428570525 47996 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1428572069 460150 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when are humans vicious killers??!?
< 1428572098 563826 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time my fort was wiped out by a human pikeman
< 1428572338 723709 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you attack them first
< 1428572352 83056 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans are alpha predators, of course vicious killers
< 1428572362 109530 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apex*
< 1428572632 252589 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe on this world, humans and dwarves areatwar? they aren't sendng caravans
< 1428572962 741087 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift-C?
< 1428573324 288467 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows only the dwarven civ
< 1428573520 144362 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1428573736 128155 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say humans began becoming vicious killers since forever
< 1428573777 540140 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Afterall such violence is deeply engrained in most humans.
< 1428574516 137166 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is violence deeply ingrained in fungot?
< 1428574516 200102 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: in order for the implementation.
< 1428574524 720783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you mean temptation?
< 1428574524 812835 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: true enough. :) sorry, no connotation intended to
< 1428574529 767777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1428575299 439104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: So would you say violence is a necessary trait? 
< 1428575299 692493 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think that's a bourne fnord. :p
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< 1428575687 489684 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"necessary trait"?
< 1428575692 444706 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not necessary, but it's human.
< 1428575711 282899 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why else would there be bar fights
< 1428575719 493569 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wars
< 1428575759 524547 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most humans have the capability to get angry/mad
< 1428575784 857794 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have certain schizoid traits
< 1428575808 605184 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you will most likely never get angry
< 1428576047 979801 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evolutionarily a retaliation response is probably selected for
< 1428576074 818267 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tit for tat wins repeated prisoners dilemma and all that
< 1428576375 129643 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: would you say winter is necessary too?
< 1428576375 778489 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: place of interest sign links to, tusho to fnord, like scheme48, but newline is an operator or definition... and the person
< 1428576420 524560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is winter coming?
< 1428576420 528746 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the 99 bottles of beer on the wall, 3 bottles of beer.
< 1428576428 60387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's the quick version
< 1428576449 653240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that on the twelfth day of Christmas, fungot?
< 1428576450 507204 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strenght bush is president". that's non-sensical, technical and zone contact. yours, egal. inmates are mostly people who've were never taught it fnord never saw the need for a working microcode or scheme system to program games for that.
< 1428576481 494041 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :war is peace. freedom is slavery. ketchup is a vegetable.
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< 1428578367 871446 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1428578500 305808 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ALMOST CHICKEN
< 1428578896 797109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of technical and zone contacts, but it's good to see DNS registrars also include the non-sensical contact too.
< 1428578968 800940 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that where I report fungot?
< 1428578968 983584 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: error in quotient: java.lang.nullpointerexception
< 1428579005 35275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're not even written in Java, stop pretending you are.
< 1428579005 423162 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: umm......do you like the climate in atlanta? how do you include fnord?) is that there are about two or three lines long, making use of your talents. to be honest i just saw
< 1428579121 937836 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think you're a bit lost, but as far as I know fizzie didn't move to Atlanta
< 1428579121 940970 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: sweet. only need to trigger ( y) y), ( if...), i believe).
< 1428579209 613766 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah fungot. Stop acting cool like java.
< 1428579209 836013 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: also ear infection and scalp would (!) to someone or something has subjected you to lambda calculus)
< 1428579532 310918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda calculus is the leading cause of ear infections these days.
< 1428579805 959537 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-bosrdwigtbdciaar QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1428579814 994847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: better than semicolon cancer
< 1428580548 469282 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-bxykvkiglkttffxm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428582297 372429 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1428582406 887674 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you live in the fsouth or the fnorth?
< 1428582407 259232 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: esp. if the code's well-written maintainable, it's probably not very necessary. i think next weekend i will make it more efficient.
< 1428582831 174065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should be slightly worried about fungot redesigning itself to be "more efficient".
< 1428582831 290879 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no just not scheme. my knowledge of perl is null? true for any lists l?
< 1428582905 319374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think he's redesigning himself
< 1428582910 551403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some other code he wrote
< 1428582996 596712 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is fungot written in?
< 1428582996 954484 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :jameseb: i much prefer one-implementation languages. if they're interpreted as comments the program should use append! if its result *doesn't* depend on the base language
< 1428583055 937335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1428583055 974355 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
< 1428583061 217431 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :jameseb, ^
< 1428583096 120223 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that befunge?
< 1428583174 271474 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1428583295 54653 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a complex program to use a language like befunge for
< 1428583753 331586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nothing compared to the 100MLOC Befunge codebases all major corporations have.
< 1428583827 532911 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428583951 375769 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie has been secretly replacing code inside big company software with befunge code.
< 1428583968 274423 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called job security.
< 1428583981 97505 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1428583983 312981 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIOBE
< 1428583993 989680 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can we hack TIOBE to display befunge on the top
< 1428584047 860992 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you measure befunge in _lines_
< 1428584066 477226 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :code is measured in lines.
< 1428584115 812303 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but befunge is a two-dimensional language
< 1428584124 407031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they can be diagonal lines.
< 1428584189 581586 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1428584200 433158 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always write a paper about how to measure code in 2D languages
< 1428584211 977904 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :characters?
< 1428584214 48964 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :density?
< 1428584214 49676 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how do you measure code in two-dimensional languages?
< 1428584214 170239 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 150 euros. :p)) t?
< 1428584215 370803 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :area?
< 1428584233 612700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you measure it in money.
< 1428584234 733111 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :characters without nops of course
< 1428584286 460316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how powerful is unefunge?
< 1428584320 691127 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it simulate anything with only quasi-linear slowdown?
< 1428584350 499132 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has random access get and put instructions so I presume it can, but the control options are a bit limited
< 1428584354 495459 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :flow control I mean
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< 1428585275 372580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just awkward, not limited.
< 1428585289 933283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "set delta to arbitrary value" instruction is pretty much a relative jump.
< 1428585305 644286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As long as you have a landing > or < in place.)
< 1428585318 953214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the awkwardness is just in encoding the numbers.)
< 1428585345 707728 :DrVitusWerdegast!~immea@d58-110-205-107.mas800.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428585358 749921 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1428585434 22762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, okay, for actually writing code manually it's also awkward to keep updating the numbers all the time, but that's just a small matter of preprocessing from gotos-with-labels to encoded-numbers-with-'x'.)
< 1428585724 379767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a set delta to arbitrary value instruction? is that normal or an extension?
< 1428585897 267384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the x instruction in befunge98
< 1428585915 18647 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, together with g and p and arithmetic, that should work
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< 1428586486 528179 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :For whatever reason some people on codegolf.stackexchange.com seem to count befunge-98 source code as width×height
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< 1428586507 679453 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, mroman: character count seems to be the most fair way to compare languages
< 1428586534 712235 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or some kind of atomic "syntactic elements count" where identifiers and keywords are treated as one unit
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< 1428588644 683916 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: If a language meets the criteria of being listed (i.e. it is Turing complete and has an own Wikipedia entry that indicates that it concerns a programming language) and it is sufficiently popular (more than 25,000 hits for +"<language> programming" for Google), then please write an e-mail to tpci@tiobe.com.
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< 1428588674 323983 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 1.7k for +"befunge programming"
< 1428588691 198362 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need 25k guys!
< 1428588971 871392 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428589085 201458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even "brainfuck programming" only has 3.5k.
< 1428589092 331963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's quite a high target.
< 1428589246 946243 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lambda calculus programming" is also stuck at 3.7k
< 1428589357 72196 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even well established languages like PostScript don't meet the threshold
< 1428589514 32273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EncryptFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42353&oldid=42351 5* 03FreedomSka 5* (+12) 10
< 1428589729 312807 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heresy gets 267k.
< 1428589740 683036 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just because programmers like to through the word around alot. ;)
< 1428589750 857710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in my Google.
< 1428589756 650703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"About 30 results".
< 1428589776 109722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're supposed to include the quotes (and the +, which I believe is redundant with the quotes).
< 1428589786 992392 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh.
< 1428589844 821403 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth is 3.5k short of the target...
< 1428589856 235816 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1428589898 612080 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's quite a high target
< 1428589903 766757 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot with enough spam bots we could do it
< 1428589906 475036 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but
< 1428589920 864550 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every problem can be solved by using more spam bots.
< 1428589933 924257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1428589946 646680 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :K is  only 1.6k short!
< 1428590011 413766 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but L made it, with 3.3k to spare:)
< 1428590036 990052 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i didnt even know there was an L programming language)
< 1428590079 167686 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: there's at least one programming language for every ascii letter by now
< 1428590133 207135 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that have a wikipedia entry for it
< 1428590163 614116 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. +"n programming" has 25.2k hits, but only because there's an ALGOL N
< 1428590238 251621 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk barely makes it with 26k
< 1428590309 184287 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :burlesque has 416
< 1428590323 805742 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of those aren't about the programming language :p
< 1428590348 270680 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :blc has 62, none of them about blc :(
< 1428590385 23434 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: Now you need a WP article on it.
< 1428590398 642279 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: :D 
< 1428590415 228900 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it'd get deleted, but it might coast a while without anyone noticing. :D
< 1428590512 793649 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see whose fake programming language WP article lasts the longest.
< 1428590562 52661 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll probably last longer on esperanto wiki or the like
< 1428590583 942825 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a clever or stylish logo. I could probably coast on that cred for a little while. ;)
< 1428590679 831271 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a start-up using your language
< 1428590684 778869 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a fake start-up
< 1428590753 180426 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cult.io
< 1428590811 222634 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would also help if the bible has something good to say about your language.
< 1428590934 844858 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/the bible/a bible
< 1428591031 217799 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gonna say, sadly the Bible doesn't use the word 'heresy'. It was I think a Catholic invention.
< 1428591190 484719 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catholics have bibles too?
< 1428591197 48057 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1428591204 501692 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not an actual question btw.
< 1428591222 439447 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you have a bible too?
< 1428591222 718939 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well anyway i already had an instance running. it's written for humans, and the person can switch to an s&m collector!
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< 1428591285 287609 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+24:14&version=AKJV
< 1428591289 323275 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- this contains heresy
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< 1428593111 886265 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"GolfScript programming" only gets 260 results
< 1428593119 285884 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought that'd be more
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< 1428593882 641649 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: authentificate yourself
< 1428593883 1389 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sleepitime is soon. already walking from the bus stop. ' gone' now. soviet russia is dead and it will print a 1.
< 1428594397 674403 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: s&m collector?
< 1428594397 975540 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: how can i overcome this sleep deprivation feeling. i've been thinking about a graphical object inspector, which is all the more
< 1428594455 242015 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: a sweep and mark garbage collector obviously
< 1428594522 49633 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1428594604 696516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be easy, being a bot. Feeling sleep-deprived? Just fire up a graphical object inspector and mutate some state.
< 1428594714 135649 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how's life as a bot?
< 1428594714 366917 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: fnord/ code/ fshift.scm. perhaps i won't really be encountering new ones all the time, btw)
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< 1428601882 204698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Swap14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42354&oldid=17651 5* 03128.84.125.33 5* (-27) 10rm category unimplemented
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< 1428607923 321821 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
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< 1428609825 9295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone used libxml++ (the C++ bindings for the gnome libxml2 library)? How usable is it, for parsing XML and HTML?
< 1428609848 439741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what are other good libraries with a C++ or C interface for parsing XML and HTML?
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< 1428612469 937436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you ever used libxml++ (the C++ binding for gnome libxml2) or some other library with a C++ or C interface for parsing XML and HTML? I'd like to know which library to look at.
< 1428612500 414704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I haven't, the closest I've come is building something that depends on xerxes
< 1428612608 452440 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what xerxes?
< 1428612645 876056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's an XML library
< 1428612705 880048 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google xerxes xml
< 1428612706 597475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xerces.apache.org/xerces-c/
< 1428612736 516111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, xerces
< 1428612984 512467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1428613043 784034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
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< 1428615922 643313 :G33kDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude
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< 1428616552 84771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, another Mill talk next week in London
< 1428616569 414627 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428616668 883255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you should go hth
< 1428616890 58746 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is London like so far away
< 1428616944 525546 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1428616962 855568 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1428617026 484324 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beatnik14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42355&oldid=42213 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+1069) 10Describe the comp.class and (intentional) shortcomings (yes Cliff, it *is* arguably rather rude.)
< 1428617267 581333 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :London is very far away for almost all points on the Earth spheroid.
< 1428617285 910741 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I am relatively close to London
< 1428617288 603599 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being in England
< 1428617316 616556 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am about as far away from London as it is possible to be and that fact to still hold true!
< 1428617337 32657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 's ok if you were in london you'd just complain that the mill talk is too far to walk
< 1428617339 125349 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something compact manifold something.
< 1428617366 888069 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, London's pretty big
< 1428617382 259687 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like as big as the rest of the UK put together or something
< 1428617390 373235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1428617417 246935 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also I need your advice
< 1428617425 760174 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be becoming a Hero against my will
< 1428617442 73813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :being the capital of the largest empire the world has ever seen tends to do that.
< 1428617462 856731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so
< 1428617465 448642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wouldn't it be more likely with the smallest
< 1428617471 114997 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, people seem to think I am a paragon of good
< 1428617487 801110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well the UK was just a small part of the empire
< 1428617514 659050 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, by population it was the second-biggest
< 1428617524 646516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1428617540 776087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose.
< 1428617543 272792 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`alignment Taneb
< 1428617544 5736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: alignment: not found
< 1428617545 837289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to compete with exponential growth.
< 1428617552 697927 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... no alignment command.
< 1428617565 524274 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :London was the second city in the world to get a population over 1000000
< 1428617599 329717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1428617609 720114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :san francisco still has a population below 1000000 :'(
< 1428617617 107127 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, SF is weird
< 1428617628 189576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you been?
< 1428617628 252777 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how do I not seem such a paragon of good
< 1428617633 919067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd vaguely thought the chinese would have beat that but i guess marco polo wasn't talking about individual cities?
< 1428617634 401406 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, not in a very long time
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< 1428617650 87505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you need to work on your evil overlord plans hth
< 1428617691 888472 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, but one of my housemates lived there for a while
< 1428617791 461527 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I kind of lost my evil overlord plans
< 1428617800 61950 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 1 was stealing nuclear weapons
< 1428617805 920900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess you're doomed then
< 1428617824 630488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk to ais523 he has experience on surviving as lawful good hth
< 1428617831 628332 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the last step was betraying all my former friends and not giving them the reward I promised
< 1428617833 526990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with
< 1428617839 978652 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so sure I'm lawful
< 1428617850 440375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be neutral or chaotic good, I guess
< 1428617855 38064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or true or chaotic neutral
< 1428617855 102322 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might even be chaotic I think
< 1428617856 157591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i think that last step _could_ be against the evil overlord list.
< 1428617894 595852 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may well be chaotic good
< 1428617903 223761 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you ever built overcomplicated contraptions to lure in, snare and menace good people?
< 1428617913 551518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, not that I can recall
< 1428617917 378345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does his haskell programs count
< 1428617925 122701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do
< 1428617931 425723 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think so.
< 1428617949 981919 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well!
< 1428617952 632025 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dar
< 1428617953 905103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no truly good people would be tempted by a haskell program hth
< 1428617954 334101 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dear
< 1428617960 361292 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That puts me into minion territory
< 1428617964 632085 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you have an unhealthy fascination towards lasers, death rays, disintegration and other zeerusty weapons?
< 1428617972 785997 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah
< 1428618002 366243 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is that obsession instead channeled in the direction of bananas and yellow curved fruits?
< 1428618017 505527 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like bananas
< 1428618082 367268 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :module haskellisms, you're a paragon of goodness.
< 1428618091 591924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's what a really devious overlord would say
< 1428618119 767922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what about lenses and barbed wire?
< 1428618142 253434 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, in the physical sense, the morphismy sense, or the kmetty sense?
< 1428618152 987867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the ambiguous sense, duh
< 1428618156 285806 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe
< 1428618201 734428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how about the seventh sense?
< 1428618222 320923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe
< 1428618228 381441 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seventh???
< 1428618238 514096 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the sixth was already taken
< 1428618271 664290 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pray tell what's the seventh?
< 1428618276 304413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION only remembers that seventh sense is some kind of old term for almanac or something
< 1428618287 952990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in norwegian translation
< 1428618311 881005 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note
< 1428618323 941194 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is the most resent GG the first time Zeetha and Bang have met?
< 1428618346 429516 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would rather know whether cake has played a role before
< 1428618402 358639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: or at least talked... was bang there in sturmhalten?
< 1428618443 588910 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Bang was in Sturmhalten with Klaus
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< 1428618672 887335 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061220
< 1428618812 188347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :she didn't show up until they'd stopped talking, though.
< 1428618895 808246 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interestingly I don't recognize her by the name "Bang"... "Bangladesh DuPree" says the wiki.
< 1428618922 98032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, bang is a nickname some use...
< 1428618941 652448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gil perhaps.
< 1428618963 213404 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki does not mention cake on DuPree's page.
< 1428619113 164418 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THat's not much of an interaction
< 1428619184 87572 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, what about this: 'By the time she recovered, the airship had been taken by pirates. (It's speculated, but not proven, that these pirates were those commanded by the infamous pirate queen Bangladesh DuPree.)' ... did the wiki writers make that bit up?
< 1428619192 707751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Zeetha,_Daughter_of_Chump )
< 1428619298 966125 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good way to seed a rumor, I suppose
< 1428619344 862247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's an obvious speculation to make
< 1428619373 586988 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, except for the bit where DuPree is still alive. OTOH she *is* a survivor.
< 1428619384 885168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um she was _away_
< 1428619401 200430 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best way to survive a fight if you ask me.
< 1428619402 140572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mentioned in dupree's story
< 1428619425 945423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it must be
< 1428619485 362373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it refers to one of the novels.
< 1428619503 635383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Zeetha's involvement is practically confirmed by Agatha H. and the Airship City, where it is mentioned that Bang returned to her fortress to find it in flaming ruins and describes the aftermath of the attack the same way Zeetha described the aftermath of her killing of the pirates."
< 1428619660 415962 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, goody.
< 1428619667 773919 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then this encounter could be ... interesting.
< 1428619744 924199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be more interesting if bang finds out zeetha and gil are related
< 1428619839 764100 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I am pretty sure that Zeetha and Gil haven't found that out yet
< 1428619874 194957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think zeetha knows.
< 1428620013 377056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my little theory is that klaus's claim that the skifanderians would want to kill gil (for being alive, and (also my theory) a male with skifandrian blood) ...
< 1428620046 679689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is technically correct, but that zeetha doesn't want to kill him, and so prefers to pretend she doesn't know.
< 1428620118 907525 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1428620120 149672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my inner theory is based on skifandrians basically being amazons and the amazons killed their male children)
< 1428620161 133955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least they would kill a male child of a _queen_
< 1428620196 635427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anyone who could be feared to want to upset the matriarchal order
< 1428620331 412159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i looked it up and i'm not the first to make that theory http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Gilgamesh_Wulfenbach/Mad
< 1428621237 830431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1428621942 696079 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the GG timeskip happened in 2013
< 1428622515 785601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird, I can't make dns queries to 8.8.8.8
< 1428622527 181722 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can ping it just fine
< 1428622574 565355 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1428622642 380034 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there is a problem with google dns right now
< 1428623287 266762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeetha and bang also met at the circus but zeetha didn't say anything http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20041227
< 1428623922 292373 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20131220 seems to suggest they met in the timeskip
< 1428624026 424493 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428624371 114390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that's theoretically possible
< 1428624458 955471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they met on any other occasions before it, because zeetha didn't enter the story until the circus, bang had no reason to revisit the circus afterward, and after the battle in sturmhalten bang was in mechanicsburg hospital where zeetha afair never went.
< 1428624592 830905 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1428624617 85972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't read that as proving that they met one way or the other
< 1428624639 220581 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose not
< 1428624651 442923 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428624656 99375 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1428625426 905626 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sings remixes of remixes of remixes of touhou songs ♪
< 1428625526 576250 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should actually design my Amazing Ultimate Programming Language before I implement it.
< 1428625553 317542 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428625570 837811 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like a good, and logical idea.
< 1428625583 744345 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan_: thanks!
< 1428625586 641609 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why haven't we've been doing that?
< 1428625755 661619 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Al Dente14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42356&oldid=41801 5* 0368.60.193.216 5* (+0) 10Fix an apostrophe
< 1428625965 803670 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what kind of remixes?
< 1428626063 670008 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hardcore upbeat trance from IOSYS.
< 1428626088 255299 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1428626121 2517 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :listening to some touhou stuff yourself?
< 1428626149 82573 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite frequently, but not right now
< 1428626164 610534 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands boily https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zpBdfnyy7I
< 1428626249 198365 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually listen to other genres, though
< 1428626290 971033 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was indulging into some XL Project while coding today. it was smooth.
< 1428626360 494773 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clicks on link, finds it is something he already had
< 1428626432 768128 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the TLMC will ever get new updates...
< 1428626553 225354 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently I have been binge-listening to everything from Lilycloud
< 1428626655 151515 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually just listen to whatever's playing on Gensokyo Radio or Touhou Radio
< 1428627534 340015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> . o O ( Welcome to the Venetian Underground ) <-- huh i never thought about venice not having cellars before
< 1428627685 594599 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pictures the Venetian Underground to be quite aquatic...
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< 1428627752 375238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do they hm
< 1428627773 90886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the houses aren't precisely built straight on water either.  not all of them, anyway.
< 1428627880 392998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh pilings
< 1428627899 296815 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: pilings?
< 1428627899 461892 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i don't it just ticked me off... " adventures with mental hygiene"
< 1428627935 830767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought fungot said "dental hygiene" and wanted to respond "my adventures with that are over"
< 1428627935 961635 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is nfs compiled inside the kernel?
< 1428627944 453903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i don't know
< 1428627944 743421 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe i'll stop wasting money since you are working under the presumption that a tc language?
< 1428627972 618648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you are assuming a lot, fungot 
< 1428627972 679666 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as a space in front.
< 1428627982 615912 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ha ha ha :D
< 1428627982 737126 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: " i=0" can be important to everyone else
< 1428628015 544951 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dental hygiene is important. prostheses too!
< 1428628441 930146 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mental (or even metal) hygiene seems more important to fungot than dental hygiene, though.
< 1428628442 289208 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i went and wrote a pretty good balance of both fnord all introductory courses use java, and a
< 1428628512 601738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? å
< 1428628513 341698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​å? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1428628519 947702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn å is the same letter as Å, unless you're HackEgo and don't understand things on top of letters.
< 1428628529 571918 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'å': å is the same letter as Å, unless you're HackEgo and don't understand things on top of letters.
< 1428628655 83399 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :=char å
< 1428628659 840207 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1428628662 503221 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? å
< 1428628663 240515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :å? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1428628681 50441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode å
< 1428628681 830248 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+030A COMBINING RING ABOVE]
< 1428628687 555684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAÅ
< 1428628688 562476 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there normalization rules for things like that?
< 1428628703 586614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, but that doesn't mean they're applied
< 1428628763 441411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like putty shows them identically either
< 1428628799 789881 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ů!
< 1428629121 40664 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time my pumping system will have multiple safety cutoffs and a spillway
< 1428629223 107393 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The combining one looks like a with a degree symbol above, the precombined one is attached to the a
< 1428629285 592416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Všichni lidé se rodí svobodní a sobě rovní co do důstojnosti a práv.
< 1428629370 777636 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently to dwarves, the human pikeman's corpse is garbage, not a corpse
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< 1428643558 548391 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iwlpsfhehsuoatnj PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody here dealt with Vala before? If so, how was it? I'm looking into using it mainly for JS bindings to a C++ library.
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< 1428646907 175837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like rice chocolate
< 1428646907 297570 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i'm sorry i was copying form the code littledan posted and did not check my syntax.
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< 1428652131 350313 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan You were right :(
< 1428652131 390176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1428654941 698083 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fungot fnord.
< 1428654941 816997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1428654942 57904 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: probably. you can code them up using continuations. a numerical tower not " data" is in the compression above.
< 1428654955 513947 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I like continuations.
< 1428654955 793746 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if there is no explanation on what is the value
< 1428655581 438865 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: It is legally impossible to rape a male person in switzerland because rape is only defined if the victim is female.
< 1428655945 634477 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the gov explicitly stated "a man can not be raped".
< 1428658639 824399 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the question is whether you can trick fungot into uttering @messages or @messages-loud
< 1428658640 62397 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i mean originally from the fnord convention predates cl by a long
< 1428659871 593368 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ
< 1428659871 935094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 100948Z 14011KT 5SM +TSRA FEW012 BKN045CB OVC085 09/09 A2952 RMK SF2CB4AC2 FRQ LTGIC ALQDS PRESFR SLP001
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< 1428660344 169945 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can you say @messages?
< 1428660344 279139 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i really wish that i'd been able to resolve it to a compiler. i was a
< 1428660359 724629 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you were a?
< 1428660359 786333 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i'll suffer for a sec
< 1428660369 712176 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. fungot is suffering!
< 1428660369 835821 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: different song...? :p. ugh i need to
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< 1428661986 487568 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fnord.
< 1428661986 736286 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i'm not crazy.) with extreme prejudice. u.s. slang" ( oed)) ( call/ cc
< 1428661998 6882 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're crazy.
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< 1428664316 19149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: To be honest, "I'm not crazy" is something you'd expect a crazy bot to say.
< 1428664316 223520 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: argument evaluation order is pretty much core to it, calling its methods from c code. some of the casvs problems by just using xulrunner. '
< 1428665167 640046 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiziello. did you know that fungot is sane?
< 1428665167 703965 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: emacs 22, do you want to read it
< 1428665181 794155 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm... ok. perhaps not quite entirely sane.
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< 1428666952 711055 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not crazy.
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< 1428667654 518709 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but you're fnord.
< 1428667678 601923 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ouch, that hurt.
< 1428669267 86116 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Axo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42357&oldid=16725 5* 03Marinus 5* (+126) 10Replace broken links with archive.org links
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< 1428674277 385388 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beatnik14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42358&oldid=42355 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+131) 10Edit some statements for clarity
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< 1428674696 379411 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beatnik14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42359&oldid=42358 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+0) 10
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< 1428677425 901899 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:EncryptFuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42360&oldid=42352 5* 03160.85.232.187 5* (+135) 10Encryption?
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< 1428679652 896730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have worked on a OASYS assembler (I don't have it on this computer), I managed to write it in 2 days and unlike the OASYS compiler, this one uses name prefix/suffix to indicate the types. Prefix can be % (global variable) & (subroutine) ? (class) , (local or argument) . (property) : (label) ' (vocabulary). Suffix can be @ (object) # (number) $ (string) ^ (pointer).
< 1428679682 323114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even resemble assembly language, even though it is
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< 1428679859 952236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: so, I found a contradiction in the YACC standard
< 1428679866 751540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has rules for resolving shift/reduce conflicts, and reduce/reduce conflicts
< 1428679873 156953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they aren't consistent with each other
< 1428679890 556582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that you can produce a shift/reduce/reduce conflict where each of the three possible resolutions must be discarded in favour of a different one
< 1428679935 712390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethack4.org/pastebin/inconsistent-conflict.y
< 1428679968 145009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opcodes and macros use no prefix, while void data types use no suffix.
< 1428680031 321426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Have you considered using Lemon though? It is an alternative to Yacc
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< 1428680340 742933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is this about precedences again?
< 1428680415 7520 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think ais523 is writing this stuff partly because nethack4 uses yacc in a few places
< 1428680446 743627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemon works better though
< 1428680508 732532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, I have fixed Lemon to be compatible with some grammars that aren't LALR(1) even.
< 1428680604 739575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um, can you tell specifics? what grammars?
< 1428680643 413761 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should look into lemon
< 1428680672 383637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a few LR(1) grammars that aren't LALR(1) can now be used (although, you need to command it to do the extra processing for the symbols that cannot be used with LALR(1) so that it won't cause a conflict)
< 1428680713 806086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemon is in the public domain and is written by the same people that made SQLite, and is also used by SQLite.
< 1428680744 37517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's scary
< 1428680810 453222 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope your yacc will handle it better
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< 1428680890 525401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few other features of Lemon is that the runtime does not use any global variables, the lexer calls the parser, you can use multiple Lemon parsers in one program, and you can create and destroy any number of instances of a Lemon parser in one program.
< 1428681044 995979 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty cool
< 1428681101 140686 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I wonder if Lemon would be capable of parsing Rust
< 1428681129 362976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what kind of error recovery does lemon has for input that doesn't match the grammar? is it similar to yacc?
< 1428681137 281698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know. What kind of thing are needed for parsing Rust?
< 1428681162 155194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think so, although you can define your own error functions too
< 1428681222 803217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible to disable error recovery in case you do not need it (SQLite does not need it)
< 1428681321 972221 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how parsing complexity classes work
< 1428681673 483986 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sqlite does need error recovery 
< 1428681679 656467 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in a weaker sense
< 1428681706 830382 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sqlite still needs to signal an error and remain in a consistent state with no changes or leaks when it parses an invalid sql statement
< 1428681715 562721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite will find an error and then stop; it won't try to continue parsing if there is an error.
< 1428681778 165622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, it won't continue parsing
< 1428681784 309878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will still stay in a clean program state
< 1428681815 778976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it will do that
< 1428682136 70218 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do
< 1428682209 904739 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of parser is lemon
< 1428682241 127433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a shift-reduce parser
< 1428682246 576355 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it is supra-LALR(1) now, but not quite LR(1)?
< 1428682312 657510 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it can't be full LR(1), that wouldn't be practical, it could blow up in your face exponentially
< 1428682339 268296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was LALR(1) but I added a %split_states command to allow some LR(1) stuff that isn't LALR(1) also working
< 1428682359 380281 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure of course...unless you like exponential blowups
< 1428682370 798054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There are algorithms for LR(1) which don't take up more memory than LALR(1) when the grammar is LALR(1), though.
< 1428682444 398604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know how these algorithms work, so I used a different one that requires the programmer to explicitly tell the compiler which symbols should use the extra processing for LR(1).)
< 1428682486 69225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, you can determine with an algorithm whether the grammar is LALR(1), right? so that algorithm can just be a conditional on that
< 1428682522 909326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: That would work of course, but I know there are better algorithms.
< 1428682536 711838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is the "Honalee algorithm"
< 1428682577 431723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I don't know enough about LR-parsing, and should learn more
< 1428682582 711101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did try this year, 
< 1428682595 292715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :borrowed a good textbook and tried to learn some of it
< 1428682598 545166 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't get too far yet
< 1428682611 618907 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely should learn more
< 1428682644 559107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The runtime for a shift-reduce parser is pretty simple at least (and the runtime doesn't need to care whether it is LR or LALR; only the table is different in these case, but the runtime parser driver is the same)
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< 1428684183 48843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok, so lemon is basically a better, more modern yacc. it has the same power in the sense that it can parse the same languages, but its interface when you're writing the grammar file and calling the parser is much better.
< 1428684317 386434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, at least I find it better
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< 1428699153 235742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42361&oldid=42328 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+2703) 10Add Hello, world program in Beatnik
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< 1428700149 74909 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42362&oldid=42361 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (-48) 10/* Beatnik */ Eh, the context is probably plenty clear.
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< 1428702545 47899 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad
< 1428702545 796443 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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< 1428705694 377884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1428705694 547865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 14h 52m 42s ago: You were right :(
< 1428705715 712223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does a victory dance
< 1428705720 404799 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1428705729 371851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :about what twh
< 1428705761 683332 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zeetha and Bang
< 1428705768 126331 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also many things
< 1428705771 662131 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that in particulary
< 1428705774 780344 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-y
< 1428705777 513195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA*
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< 1428706174 773884 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, fun.
< 1428706198 969503 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor Violetta.
< 1428706230 742798 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you fight too?
< 1428706231 55004 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you know the federal deficit is huge?"
< 1428706237 31076 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: well played
< 1428706237 199481 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'll talk to openssl via ffi, and sarahbot will tell you
< 1428706244 797849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sarahbot.
< 1428706258 63551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you in love with sarahbot?
< 1428706258 71131 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i also got the answer
< 1428706281 440004 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: and now you're going to ignore me just as it gets interesting, right?
< 1428706281 699083 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you must believe the error message. it won't work with any other. the moves are small and fast to update the paths. with the latest optical fnord technology.
< 1428706296 182718 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks fungot
< 1428706296 989076 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, fungot. Thungot.
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< 1428707758 429433 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you right or is oerjan?
< 1428707758 815808 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: except that negative numbers require extra code that i might have it wrong in this case i was looking at pocket pc schemes
< 1428707986 195291 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot
< 1428707986 387465 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: same here.
< 1428707987 455988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason.
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< 1428708895 868205 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, fungot is a treasure trove of infinite love and wisdom.
< 1428708896 95260 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i do i often finish typing and press enter? i
< 1428708911 24773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean except when it's not.
< 1428709013 433319 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I doubt you press enter at all, being a disembodied bot and all
< 1428709013 911257 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: this capital looks a lot clearer than most e documentation i read ( fnord same ideas, but as far as static libraries and executable headers. ( i have that
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< 1428710865 265059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo @messages-loud
< 1428710865 397540 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud @messages-loud
< 1428710865 572412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman said 15h 32m 2s ago: fnord.
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< 1428711390 320697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo what
< 1428711390 402347 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what
< 1428711490 852768 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is that intentional behavior in order to make fungot potentially able to do interesting things with other bots?
< 1428711490 971903 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no such factoid
< 1428711497 996685 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1428711523 349239 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ^echo is not bot safe?
< 1428711529 81175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was intentional behavior to be silly hth
< 1428711576 861871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo yields falsehood when preceded by its own quotation
< 1428711577 46758 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yields falsehood when preceded by its own quotation yields falsehood when preceded by its own quotation
< 1428711582 160939 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :was "no such factoid" just markov output or does fungot have a factoid feature?
< 1428711582 645349 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: is it very hard for me to duck from the things you're about to use, without some intermediate abstraction ( except for sunterlib and sunet lateron). would that be
< 1428711586 119674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed fungot doesn't prevent triggering other bots
< 1428711586 598526 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to be exact it's stupid of anyone if they use php instead of another language i remember sawing you helping someone in parsing scheme, can i use that
< 1428711600 702724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has an extensive ignore list itself
< 1428711625 798748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: markov hth
< 1428711638 570590 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo thanks but no
< 1428711638 759464 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks but no thanks but no
< 1428711651 922607 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh, I guess
< 1428711704 626007 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo oerjan is very what
< 1428711704 793761 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is very what oerjan is very what
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< 1428711814 591787 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
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< 1428713791 989037 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh
< 1428713794 838751 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :In FlogScript
< 1428713798 358922 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you, like, actually index strings
< 1428713798 856480 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.e
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< 1428718049 822077 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: i expect that splitting a string and then counting the length of the first part accomplishes that
< 1428718063 865783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even, splitting by length
< 1428718141 662603 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or slicing
< 1428718649 873073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428719259 738349 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would a computer take hours after booting up to act normal?
< 1428719452 608515 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not everyone's a morning person.
< 1428719848 90922 :NihilistDandy!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellallo!
< 1428719862 489379 :NihilistDandy!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net NICK :ProofTechnique
< 1428719902 991670 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, that's better
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< 1428729704 20317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any "urn:bible:" scheme?
< 1428730226 32898 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk
< 1428732190 107755 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428737555 432508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make URIs such as <urn:bible:genesis:1:1> and so on to be valid.
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< 1428737887 473206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a kind of backtracking parser like:  forever { (X,Y)=pop; foreach (W,Z) in action[Y][input[X]] do push(X,call W with argument Z); foreach Z in next[Y][input[X]] do push(X+1,Z); }
< 1428738304 421379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you compare this to the other kind of parsing?
< 1428738586 455443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will want to start by pushing (length(input),error state) and then (0,0) onto the stack.
< 1428738754 276537 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428738936 961196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428739163 473424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually here is better way:    push(length(input),error value); push(0,0); forever { pop(X,Y); if X=length(input) then return Y; foreach (W,Z) in action[Y][input[X]] do push(X,call W(Z,X)); foreach Z in next[Y][input[X]] do push(X+1,Z); }    At first you must ensure that the input sequence ends with the EOF token
< 1428739204 174306 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428739452 199365 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something's wrong with my vserver.
< 1428739467 5816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what thing is wrong?
< 1428739522 323459 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reboots for unknown reasons
< 1428739530 730169 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now my root password doesn't seem to work anylonger.
< 1428739565 695660 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait. no it works.
< 1428739588 736073 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1428739600 386911 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the did maintenance on their physical hosts
< 1428739610 368884 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but forgot to inform me that they reboot vms
< 1428740181 993711 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it OK now though?
< 1428740305 586192 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION good mooooorning
< 1428740491 213297 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I am in the UK
< 1428740498 862731 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(York, in particular, now)
< 1428740506 600876 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah
< 1428740508 939798 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uptime is 17h now
< 1428740514 613489 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it rebooted twice yesterday though
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< 1428741022 91147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is this parser I made up compared with other ones?
< 1428741399 435520 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what parser?
< 1428741438 610943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one which is:    add EOF to input buffer; push(length(input),error value); push(0,0); forever { pop(X,Y); if X=length(input) then return Y; foreach (W,Z) in action[Y][input[X]] do push(X,call W(Z,X)); foreach Z in next[Y][input[X]] do push(X+1,Z); }
< 1428742001 205396 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1428742020 570203 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :action[Y][input[X]] contains parse functions?
< 1428742062 805479 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with one character lookahead?
< 1428742115 835544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite
< 1428742196 918784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, the functions might be used to enter or exit the parser for a particular nonterminal; they can do other things too though.
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< 1428743144 213468 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9% of the human population is disabled?
< 1428743224 157350 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :More than 1 billion persons in the world have some form of disability. This corresponds to about 15% of the world's population. 
< 1428743227 415219 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP says it's even 15%
< 1428743332 412819 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably includes nearsighted people, people who have slight deafness (like me), people who are too old to walk.
< 1428743422 127297 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the number would be pretty high, there are so many people who need glasses
< 1428743560 30790 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you consider that as "disabled" then yes.
< 1428743564 138693 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the number is pretty damn high.
< 1428743602 633150 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you take the definition of "disability funds" because you can't work due to your disability then the number should be less.
< 1428743653 752378 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there are different levels, aome jobs might need perfect eyesight or perfect hearing, but most jobs don't.
< 1428743757 612911 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand sometimes people complain about an infuriating noise distracting them, and I say "what noise".
< 1428743983 356387 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... it seems statistically trouble walking or climbing stairs is the most common disability
< 1428744215 497209 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you're fit to do another job you'll be forced to retrain for another job.
< 1428744264 80896 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't just not work because you can't to the job you originally did any longer, you'll have to learn how to do another job.
< 1428744283 609638 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you wanna live of social welfare which isn't really a lot of money.
< 1428744291 678673 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1428744306 322319 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*off
< 1428744329 266948 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have some disability pension
< 1428744334 898956 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know how they work.
< 1428744356 573447 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think many of the people who acquire a disablity do so because they simply are getting old...
< 1428744415 423389 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything from their eyes to their bones starts to have problems
< 1428744428 421917 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's insurance against incapacity to work
< 1428744458 320966 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if that's an additional optional insurance or one you have to have or one you automatically get.
< 1428744500 445283 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stuff probably varies greatly by jurisdiction
< 1428744555 990922 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1428744564 679526 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears that 60% of my salary is "insured".
< 1428744605 705851 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'm 70% disabled I get 60% of my original salary paid for two years
< 1428744620 818470 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after that it stops :)
< 1428744638 70211 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd have two years to find a job I can still do
< 1428744653 704813 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if I'm to disabled to continue meaningful work I have to apply for "income disability"
< 1428744674 374057 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's "work disability" == "can't do your job anymore" and "income disability" == "can't do any meaningful job anymore")
< 1428744698 467329 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1428744724 18456 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I'm older than 50 years at the time of becoming disabled
< 1428744730 127671 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's no two years restriction.
< 1428744756 452008 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: this stuff varies a lot by jurisdiction, your employer
< 1428744764 718211 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which insurance company your employer uses.
< 1428744843 698808 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I die my children will get money
< 1428744863 993829 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"orphan's pension"?
< 1428744874 452753 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's the english word for that.
< 1428744899 878622 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is 60% of something that also xx% of something else
< 1428744910 11326 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's aimed at getting them through school
< 1428744915 341438 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not to live off it for longer periods.
< 1428744921 395672 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't have children.
< 1428744922 362270 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1428744966 240906 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to see about getting a job pretty soon
< 1428745030 97168 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And stop being a NEET
< 1428745117 718236 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428745133 687036 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current plan is to stay in the E that doesn't pay as well as long as I can
< 1428745300 980750 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1428745479 99124 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going well
< 1428745629 886117 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Quit: byeannes
< 1428745702 66428 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/TieSoul/373d98cac227ec51ba4d so I'm working on something
< 1428745717 624416 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(brainfuck is just a test for the lexer/parser system)
< 1428747265 857244 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what are you working on?
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< 1428747814 16302 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comments at http://en.chessbase.com/post/us-champ-r9-forfeit are so much fun; some of them suggest the arbiter should be using a double standard and not forfeit *top* players when they violate rules despite having been warned about it...
< 1428747850 644867 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not really fun. I'm suffering from a case of http://xkcd.com/386)
< 1428747954 659835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should be disqualified if they seriously violate the rules, whether they are the top players or not. They can try again in the next tournament though.
< 1428747981 418003 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this terminal thought the ) was part of the url...
< 1428748201 805180 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'm working on a lexer and parser system for arbitrary grammars
< 1428748210 622275 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm also now waiting for the first case of a player being disqualified for "analysing any game on another chessboard." when they wander around and look at their competitor's game. ;-)
< 1428748233 18531 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or competitors'
< 1428748258 525373 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: to what level of "arbitrary"
< 1428748276 984803 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any unambiguous grammar?
< 1428748319 174878 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yup
< 1428748598 982680 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/TieSoul/ed33bf2c5365b2ed0a7e an example
< 1428748762 665498 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1428749575 469882 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's based on regexes
< 1428751456 23925 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1428751665 373327 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you like regexes?
< 1428751665 554708 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you may need to introduce any extra nesting by receiving the multiple values extension is as important!". kthxbye.
< 1428751690 234558 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: see. I told you to introduce extra nesting and multiple values extension.
< 1428751801 280185 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1428752139 928963 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no... you told me you couldn't do it...
< 1428752155 543903 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can you do it?
< 1428752155 794390 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i think the category theory is mostly a browser-only thing ever, the lives of folks who were thinking about lazy strings/ ropes/ whatever they are
< 1428752165 237389 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1428752171 418837 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category Theory is sure a browser-only thing.
< 1428752188 909676 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category theory
< 1428752192 615833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In category theory, category theory is a theory in the category of theories.
< 1428752206 39026 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and it's only used in browsers.
< 1428752276 447040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? browser
< 1428752280 468876 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :browser? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1428752510 939106 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a browser?
< 1428752515 966914 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be a category theory thing.
< 1428752545 778440 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What browser do you use?
< 1428752545 896419 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yah i agree. though riastradhs variant is not formally checkable
< 1428752558 514543 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: agree with what?
< 1428752558 733655 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i don't mind looking at some code? i want to call something a functor unless it's returning a function
< 1428752622 344543 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Category Theory is just a theory. It hasn't been proven yet.
< 1428752635 886611 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define A browser is a Gopher client for convenient access to Gopher services and documents.
< 1428752648 111341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to connect to socket 2. \  \ Looking up 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Making HTTP connection to 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Sending HTTP request. \ HTTP request sent; waiting for response. \ Alert!: Unexpected network read error; connection aborted. \ Can't Access `http://google.com/search?q=define:%41%20%62%72%6f%77%73%65%72%20%69%73%20%61%20%47%6f%70%68%65%72%20%
< 1428752654 757359 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's `learn)
< 1428752770 835313 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1428752774 701326 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A browser is a Gopher client for convenient access to Gopher services and documents.
< 1428752780 942376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'browser': A browser is a Gopher client for convenient access to Gopher services and documents.
< 1428752894 918605 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Gopher
< 1428752895 693040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1428752937 448100 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher is int-e's vision of the successor of HTTP/2
< 1428752964 689757 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Gopher is int-e's vision of the successor of HTTP/2.
< 1428752977 203718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'gopher': Gopher is int-e's vision of the successor of HTTP/2.
< 1428753056 959987 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and google is down.
< 1428753065 551299 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't reach google.com, google.de nor google.ch
< 1428753145 761904 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: You play Pokémon?
< 1428753153 205791 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1428753155 102023 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1428753162 529333 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stalking your gists.
< 1428753169 329658 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1428753171 396350 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a Nidoqueen.
< 1428753176 30034 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what Arbok is though
< 1428753192 168633 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only public gist
< 1428753199 190415 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is from a pokemon battle simulator I wrote
< 1428753199 838241 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that snake pokémon
< 1428753201 937049 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1428753226 612430 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rev <<< arbok
< 1428753227 461037 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kobra
< 1428753233 895427 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rev <<< ekans
< 1428753237 899492 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snake
< 1428753268 982398 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rev <<< pikachu
< 1428753269 831825 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhcakip
< 1428753274 944750 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lol
< 1428753279 826783 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an uhcakip?
< 1428753283 112895 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh cake ip
< 1428753285 451806 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, Cake IP?
< 1428753319 994445 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rev <<< izabera
< 1428753320 857273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arebazi
< 1428753342 103333 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I'm off to buy me a bicycle.
< 1428753350 941207 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1428753355 42648 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have cars
< 1428753359 427571 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cars suck
< 1428753366 68311 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also have trains and planes
< 1428753366 551588 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pollute the universe!
< 1428753369 581526 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The WHOLE universe.
< 1428753375 926401 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but trains are friendly people.
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< 1428753404 90453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to recommend the LEO (Link Everything Online) gopher service (which featured a english/german/english dictionary!), but I'm afraid they dismantled the gopher server years ago.
< 1428753708 587269 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rev <<< muk
< 1428753709 547168 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kum
< 1428753720 181898 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muk is a pokemon btw
< 1428753782 650196 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rev <<< mudkip
< 1428753783 419672 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old joke from the playground years ago: Ekans is snake backwards, Arbok is cobra backwards, what about Muk?  
< 1428753783 420734 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikdum
< 1428753792 313815 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dum pikachu?
< 1428755281 37821 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beatnik14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42363&oldid=42359 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+213) 10Add internal link to Hello world and external link to Python implementation
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< 1428756343 708323 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a .debanyway
< 1428756451 166111 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ar t libiw30_30~pre9-8_amd64.deb
< 1428756451 285583 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :debian-binary
< 1428756451 287049 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :control.tar.gz
< 1428756451 287098 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :data.tar.gz
< 1428756452 772923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope: ‘ar’
< 1428756452 838334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1428756452 839535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ‘a’ (imported from Debug.SimpleReflect),
< 1428756501 558236 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so it's like an archive with some files and metadata as to what to do with them?
< 1428756574 813203 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, control.tar.gz contains meta information, install and uninstall scripts, things like that
< 1428756741 983022 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is considering trying to make a .deb for dwarf fortress
< 1428756802 808731 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah but there are tools for that. https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian looks like a suitable starting point.
< 1428756851 256423 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: I have not actually made a deb package yet.)
< 1428757403 79710 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1428757869 236378 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbyen. hellorin.
< 1428758171 549685 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428758629 578238 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :bacon
< 1428758637 121084 :bacon!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1428758731 107180 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I restarted my computer because firefox was screwing up even after I pkilled it
< 1428758853 331570 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
< 1428759150 978145 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be fine now
< 1428759214 419133 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what I really need to figure out is why my level generator code is making roads that lead to nothing
< 1428759395 19240 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://postimg.org/image/w9gs905y3/full/ the problem occurse in the pink square
< 1428759510 489957 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eclbugydcbsllwhx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1428759814 520237 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed. I really screwd up the road-merging part last night
< 1428759889 706556 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1428760024 745669 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just add things that the roads lead to.
< 1428760081 859165 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: That is what was supposed to happen
< 1428760140 910060 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roads come from either side of the level or from tunnels and go off either side or into a tunnel
< 1428760174 977098 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A road isn't supposed to bea ble to just... end
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< 1428760840 254323 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say that to the town council over here.
< 1428761009 227292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1 -- 1
< 1428761012 735032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a
< 1428761696 88968 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game is this?
< 1428762232 448348 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one that orin is making
< 1428762337 113406 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I am in at least 2 IRC channels WITH CYBORGS
< 1428762517 35976 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: welcome to the future
< 1428762539 954224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did any of them say "come with me if you want to live"?
< 1428762549 468551 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :   \o/
< 1428762549 830578 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   |
< 1428762549 959206 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   >\
< 1428762552 646245 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one
< 1428762556 50895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(did I get this right?)
< 1428762558 666347 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think either hav
< 1428762559 474406 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1428762587 198193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah I did. good.)
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< 1428768740 241353 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm blaming you for this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-32264914
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< 1428771504 968511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, i'm not even in england!
< 1428771533 838796 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, wow, how did you manage to do it, then?
< 1428771658 40022 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428771668 177781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Time travel, obviously.
< 1428771672 883230 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1428771686 858010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should try it, it's great for deniability.
< 1428772054 81242 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case it sounds like a brilliantly successful demonstration.
< 1428772209 453921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I move the stuff from the old LEO gopher service into my own? I don't even have a copy though, so I can't.
< 1428772278 762467 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. what's LEO?
< 1428772315 422069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; int-e mentioned it above.
< 1428772353 788901 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. what's LEO?
< 1428773240 61453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "Link Everything Online". You may know its remnants ( ;-) ) on the World Wide Web, under leo.org.
< 1428773452 366586 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh. t.
< 1428773844 29423 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it sounds like space travel might be more effective to get to england
< 1428773939 385684 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Perhaps, but that may compromise your alibi.
< 1428773988 224810 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, time travel preserves the alibi because people assume you're not time traveling, nothing more
< 1428774009 950619 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly space travel wouldn't compromise your alibi if people didn't know you could space travel to england
< 1428774111 666793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you ever time travel or space travel?
< 1428774111 849215 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: lain was a bit comical
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< 1428774658 293736 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome magician
< 1428774659 305171 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04magician: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13<http://esolangs.org/>. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08irc.dal.net.)
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< 1428774801 608629 :magician!~magician@46.186.178.125 NICK :Guest3780
< 1428775111 731444 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Btw, "remnants": The main part of what LEO was meant to be is indeed gone: It was a directory service for Gopher, intended to be comprehensive.
< 1428778676 147311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are now other directory services for gopher
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< 1428780377 674506 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Gopher - where we're going, we don't need an information superhighway. )
< 1428781132 84893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428783162 677433 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, are there infinitely many pairs of 5-smooth numbers differing by 2?
< 1428783213 462186 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to http://oeis.org/A219794, it would be "very surprising" if there were.
< 1428783220 844452 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why that's the case.
< 1428783822 810076 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of a bunch. 1 and 3, 2 and 4, 3 and 5, 4 and 6...
< 1428783905 170899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because the density of the 5-smooth number is so low; there are only O(log(n)^3) of them up to n. (Compare this to primes with O(n/log n) primes up to n.)
< 1428783930 604847 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense.
< 1428783944 415259 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Haskelling suggests that the largest pair is 160 and 162.
< 1428783966 616784 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is just the doubling of the largest pair of numbers differing by 1, which is 80 and 81.
< 1428784012 536634 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only pair differing by 2 which isn't "obvious" given the pairs differing by 1 is (25, 27).
< 1428784040 404567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's another funny detail. lim inf a(n) >= 2 (an amazing fact, hmm) means that only finitely many pairs arise by doubling
< 1428784104 494127 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it says that there are only finitely many pairs of 5-smooth numbers with difference 1.
< 1428784144 995217 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only pair differing by 3 not "obvious" from prior pairs is (125, 128). For 4, 5, and 6, there are no "non-obvious" pairs.
< 1428784234 862480 :tswrcclt!uid77421@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycdtilujoyspcab JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428784258 252784 :tswrcclt!uid77421@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycdtilujoyspcab PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 7, there are two: (128, 135) and (243, 250).
< 1428784308 81500 :tswrcclt!uid77421@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycdtilujoyspcab PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer is being very sluggish now.
< 1428784321 712304 :tswrcclt!uid77421@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycdtilujoyspcab PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think GHCi crashed.
< 1428784427 885003 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428784452 867469 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making an AI what should it do
< 1428784465 964120 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make coffee
< 1428784472 225343 :tswrcclt!uid77421@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycdtilujoyspcab PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should play Brood War.
< 1428784494 312839 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should write functional Brainfuck code
< 1428784506 410843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should analyze a source tarball and work out how to compile it
< 1428784527 354428 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omai
< 1428784527 716657 :tswrcclt!uid77421@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycdtilujoyspcab PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should analyze English text and classify words into parts of speech.
< 1428784533 837410 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should analyze a source tarball and then compile it
< 1428784546 75766 :tswrcclt!uid77421@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycdtilujoyspcab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that my suggestions are actually serious.
< 1428784547 364689 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are really good ideas
< 1428784568 990029 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should play arbitrary NES games
< 1428784576 504062 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone did that already so it's possible
< 1428784596 33330 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1428784606 523048 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The brainfuck thing though
< 1428784653 331537 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, I wonder if you could make Prolog write brainfuck code to solve a particular problem)
< 1428784694 935622 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it would output all possible solutions too which is nice)
< 1428784711 811566 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you mean by writing functional code I would have to make the algorithm learn the entire language
< 1428784717 788574 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And idk the language so
< 1428784728 714776 :tswrcclt!uid77421@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycdtilujoyspcab PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty simple language.
< 1428784730 304697 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I have to learn it before I start? 
< 1428784749 980059 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is about the simplest language ever
< 1428784756 528975 :tswrcclt!uid77421@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycdtilujoyspcab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eight commands. "Add one", "subtract one", and so forth.
< 1428784763 573946 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tarballs are another thing entirely
< 1428784775 265380 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiling Tarball AI bot
< 1428784796 32887 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know kids I'm only a kid
< 1428784806 598635 :tswrcclt!uid77421@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycdtilujoyspcab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help, GHC is using nearly six gaggleboots of memory.
< 1428784813 938149 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're starting out with AI
< 1428784820 76699 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try something easy like Tic-Tac-Toe
< 1428784821 553679 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1428784828 735862 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting out?
< 1428784845 678677 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswrcclt: that's how you know it's a serious programming language ... :-/
< 1428784874 662575 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to make a self responsive bot for a school project although I got a D- on it 
< 1428784878 987222 :tswrcclt!uid77421@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycdtilujoyspcab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, memory usage seems to have stabilized.
< 1428784906 338140 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is space an issue?
< 1428784906 579768 :tswrcclt!uid77421@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycdtilujoyspcab PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went all the way up to 6.9 before going back down a little.
< 1428785132 208174 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite possibilites in tic tac toe or more to a large ammount of finite possibilites
< 1428785248 236833 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decim: space is always an issue :)
< 1428785264 395823 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just uncap ur ram
< 1428785292 922483 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And overclock everything while keeping your server under a mile of ice
< 1428785334 588956 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. "2 GB DDR3L SDRAM, 32 GB Solid-State Drive and 1TB OneDrive Cloud Storage for one year" ...
< 1428785346 714160 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1428785363 874148 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the mistake to search for "laptop" on amazon, now marvelling at the crap they offer.
< 1428785371 244406 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol
< 1428785394 526348 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int-e there's a lot better stuff than that
< 1428785437 706758 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also more on point I don't have enough space for something like a tarball compiler
< 1428785530 112016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decim: Of course there is. And it's good to see that even absolute crap has 2GB RAM, and normal laptops have 4GB or 8GB.
< 1428785633 329433 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your setup Int-e
< 1428785644 619941 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot mine 
< 1428785653 225649 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, memory usage matters; on VPSs, RAM determines the price.
< 1428785723 33829 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 8GB RAM in a PC at home... which is too small for some things I'm doing. (ghc is pushing the limits; some big Isabelle theories are taking off the lid)
< 1428785829 360169 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But lambdabot is running on a VM with 512MB RAM + 512MB swap, which is not enough to build it anymore.
< 1428786002 104118 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing 
< 1428786010 183606 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wtf is an isabelle theory
< 1428786019 207818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSoul: "We" did arbitrary Atari games.
< 1428786042 655510 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiling haskell-src-exts with ghc-7.10.1 takes 5GB...
< 1428786055 786323 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's a dependency of lambdabot
< 1428786063 84688 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take me to the begining of this whole ghc stuff isabelle theory idk I havent payed attention to stuff
< 1428786082 405832 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you guys have articles or something
< 1428786105 322454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of this has to do anything with #esoteric really.
< 1428786113 471958 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
< 1428786125 920659 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it depend on lambdabot
< 1428786140 34033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isabelle is a proof assistent, http://isabelle.in.tum.de/ , and she's quite memory-hungry.
< 1428786153 934912 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what would happen if you deleted every version of lambdabot
< 1428786168 282325 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I do that?
< 1428786179 46122 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk u were dieing
< 1428786186 41005 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I could. It's been forked several times on github.
< 1428786190 727372 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you were like fuck it
< 1428786216 120458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decim: I suppose the world would just go on turning.
< 1428786260 68688 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until 569075432 AD when the sun expands
< 1428786274 171834 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that 5b
< 1428786275 778187 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk
< 1428786394 930617 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw man isabelle is just on a bullshit level of nope for me I don't think I could ever have that much memory Im pretTy poor atm
< 1428786719 540937 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnight
< 1428786823 985707 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1428786940 504100 :lawspeaker!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortti
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< 1428787131 715531 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428790588 654487 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428790952 21800 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1428790980 94836 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia
< 1428791003 371282 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.- you're not boily
< 1428791021 279029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1428791106 397503 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tryna trick me with your "b" name and your characteristically boily-like response
< 1428791205 704517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah sorry
< 1428791208 650777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't try to
< 1428791235 5109 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that case
< 1428791240 667902 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon_journas
< 1428791270 422021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is thid document understandable to you?   http://sprunge.us/cCCL   (I didn't invent the OASYS VM; it days from 1992, but was not documented before, so this is a document of it.)
< 1428791317 937277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/thid/this/
< 1428791445 967221 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428791456 975617 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia!
< 1428791462 326221 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you're not me.
< 1428791480 531942 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm looking
< 1428792133 578349 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you this day mssr. boily
< 1428792412 501230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1428792427 660329 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
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< 1428792566 205759 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, it's understandible, but there's some difficulties:
< 1428792584 112796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if there was an introductory paragraph at the beginning to tell what the whole thing is about;
< 1428792611 120806 :tswrcclt!uid77421@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rycdtilujoyspcab QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1428792627 181585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, is there anything else to consider?
< 1428792634 764662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would read easier if you first told the simpler case about how matching an input phrase and calling the corresponding method is handled, and only after that told about phrases with commas;
< 1428792659 626740 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell somewhere what character set the strings and vocabulary uses;
< 1428792741 449549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, before telling how a method, a class, and the list of properties is represented in the input, put an introduction telling what those things are for;
< 1428792802 73777 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, mention that a method has an invocant which isn't listed in the argument list;
< 1428792926 805496 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe call the "message number" of a method an "error message number" or something instead
< 1428792947 839800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it seems to be used for handling the error when a suitable object is not found;
< 1428792963 360184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what the "message number" does
< 1428793079 971152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the listing of tasks the main loop does, split "Parse the command." to two parts: find the method to invoke for the command, then find the arguments for that method from the command using selector methods.
< 1428793089 206031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1428793111 883928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that really seems two steps to me.
< 1428793256 17733 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428793323 116146 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you say "C rounding", does that mean the rule from old C (which allows two possibilities for some inputs) or modern C rounding from later standards?
< 1428793362 614491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know.
< 1428793443 716897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OASYS was originally written in C++ though.
< 1428793540 870839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, when you say "You must invoke the selector method on each object of the class", how is the class determined?
< 1428793580 720694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is it determined from matching the class phrase?
< 1428793589 683763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it is determined by which class phrase it matches.
< 1428793592 980650 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1428793594 411588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is correct
< 1428793628 920300 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does this matching work then if the class phrases are variable length and the method phrases can have object slot gaps and fixed words mixed in any order?
< 1428793648 277596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428793725 970528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works just by which matches, such as if "blue key" is a class phrase and "put <obj> in <obj>" is a method phrase, then "put blue key in blue key" will match. I don't know what else you meant?
< 1428793769 620227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor glogbot could need an NTP update hth
< 1428793769 722739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1428793798 745746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I mean what if there's an ambiguity, or at least a word occurs in many phrases? will the matcher backtrack to try all method phrases with all combinations of class phrases to find a match? that seems unlikely
< 1428793831 499723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is implementation-defined, although it has to try to find the match.
< 1428793849 103431 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1428793853 223073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own implementation in BASIC does use backtracking though.
< 1428793874 26566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the C++ implementation too but don't remember how it works.
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< 1428793925 219819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe mention that this is implementation-defined
< 1428793972 857919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1428793990 527855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as it gets the correct result it doesn't matter how it is implemented though.
< 1428794020 1242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can matter if there's an ambiguity, or if it doesn't always find the match
< 1428794036 649714 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact
< 1428794041 721468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can even matter what error message you get
< 1428794068 2981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I will try to figure it out
< 1428794070 783930 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you say "put red key in blue key" the error message could tell you it doesn't know about "red key" but the rest seems fine
< 1428794101 800985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C++ implementation (as well as my BASIC implementation) will just print "I don't understand you." if that happens.
< 1428794111 378363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1428794131 699495 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's mostly enough because in this case "red" is likely not in the vocabulary
< 1428794142 141365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a game like this will generally use single words when possible
< 1428794154 961589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's the case it will print "I don't understand the word 'red'." when that occurs.
< 1428794170 413762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's really an implementation detail anyways I suppose.
< 1428794193 466005 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1428794370 231595 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'nite
< 1428794380 875522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1428795030 706926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<TieSoul> mroman: I'm working on a lexer and parser system for arbitrary grammars <-- that's undecidable hth
< 1428795059 972994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can just enter an infinite loop trying to decide
< 1428795070 699977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also working on a parser system, but currently only for LALR(1)
< 1428795070 837000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether you are actually trying the impossible or just don't know about the chomsky hierarchy, i do not yet know.
< 1428795086 136300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm i suppose
< 1428795111 943128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"arbitrary grammars" could mean type 1 I guess, for someone who doesn't realise what type 0 is?
< 1428795139 283662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :type 2 rather, iirc
< 1428795144 675545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, yes
< 1428795158 464350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is type 2 decidable even if you allow an empty RHS?
< 1428795187 580303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :type 1 is decidable anyway just by brute force
< 1428795209 686486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :type 1 is PSPACE, essentially
< 1428795218 708145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(equivalent in strenght)
< 1428795225 613692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it doesn't look very computationally fast
< 1428795249 64357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :type 2 is decidable in O(n^3)
< 1428795272 557766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for a fixed grammar
< 1428795307 515462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, the bison manual mentions that offhand
< 1428795318 279357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I forgot until you mentioned it
< 1428795318 645054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps even including the grammar.
< 1428795325 892675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the post correspondence problem is neat
< 1428795333 397344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unambiguous type 2 in O(n^2)
< 1428795342 461710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got to be possible to make an esolang out of that
< 1428795349 487520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it's a simple undecidable problem
< 1428795374 678224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and LR(k) for any k in O(n), right?
< 1428795375 536248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and earley parsers gracefully get both of those as well as O(n) for LR(1)
< 1428795384 597394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1428795386 903532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, for any fixed k
< 1428795410 588630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LR(k) = LR(1) on language acceptance level
< 1428795411 388946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that amused me a lot is that the syntax yacc uses as input is LR(2) but not LR(1)
< 1428795424 251730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1428795425 100450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the yacc-in-yacc in the POSIX standard gets around it by doing some of the parsing in the lexer, which is cheating
< 1428795438 682634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did they manage that
< 1428795451 133789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically there doesn't have to be any delimiter between rules
< 1428795465 417629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an identifier is a rule LHS if it's followed by a colon, part of the RHS otherwise
< 1428795483 671186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we'll make a parser generator that can parse any reasonable language, and then make its own language not fit" best idea
< 1428795489 768061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you see an identifier after a rule RHS, therefore, you have to reduce the RHS if there's a colon after it, shift the identifier otherwise
< 1428795498 133269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric := two symbols of lookahead
< 1428795516 629314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a colon after the identifier
< 1428795553 627945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1428795560 834887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if there's some crazy way to get it to be LR(1) anyway by rewriting the grammar with a bunch of intermediate steps
< 1428795578 491330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there some universal way to convert LR(2) to LR(1) and still match the same set of strings? just the structure of the grammar is all wrong
< 1428795590 737763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what i implied above
< 1428795608 344093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the POSIX standard's method of working around this is to define "identifier and a colon" as a separate token, which is really blatant cheating
< 1428795733 284604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, it's still a regular language for the lexer
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< 1428796533 269157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/zy*
< 1428796536 866398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/zygohistomorphic-prepromorphism
< 1428796560 298808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zygohistomorphic-prepromorphism
< 1428796560 943552 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zygohistomorphic-prepromorphism Used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor
< 1428796612 215865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A zygohistomorphic prepromorphism is used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor.
< 1428796617 643136 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'zygohistomorphic': A zygohistomorphic prepromorphism is used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor.
< 1428796650 975089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/zygohistomorphic{, prepromorphism}
< 1428796651 556575 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: cannot stat `wisdom/zygohistomorphic{,': No such file or directory
< 1428796667 563106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/zygohistomorphic{," prepromorphism"}
< 1428796669 174774 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428796681 697799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm wisdom/zy*-*
< 1428796689 265009 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428796697 639702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/zy*
< 1428796701 184055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/zygohistomorphic prepromorphism
< 1428796724 545905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely considers whether he could have done that more efficiently.
< 1428797402 909022 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\me was going to repeat his assertion that any decent language should be parsable in o(n) time with o(n) space.
< 1428797458 627691 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspects that orin has \ and / on the same key...
< 1428797461 276148 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but obviously many widely used languages aren't
< 1428797479 280385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: well that certainly includes LR(1) languages
< 1428797480 852125 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: today I slept!
< 1428797522 181771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or LR(k) for that matter
< 1428797692 349418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what about INTERCAL before the fix that made it possible to parse
< 1428797698 476705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC that's type 2 but not LR(k) for any k
< 1428797705 975098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's ambiguous, which doesn't help
< 1428797718 655018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :charming
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< 1428797770 196633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes some effort to construct an expression with two parses but you can do it
< 1428797783 616565 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does it involve rabbit ears and/or sparks?
< 1428797787 281956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and arrays
< 1428797858 60289 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fairly certain that Perl cannot be parsed.
< 1428797877 985750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: actually Perl is parsed by YACC
< 1428797894 255769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that's awkward is that Perl has a construct that runs as soon as it's parsed, and it can change the way that the rest of the file parses
< 1428797899 360739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can put arbitrary TC stuff in there
< 1428797915 95947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes parsing Perl undecidable, but in a rather mundane way
< 1428797931 869645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-!- magician has joined #esoteric.  -!- Guest3780 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds).  -!- magician is now known as Guest3780. <-- I THINK E'S DOING IT WRONG HTH
< 1428797935 758175 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... so that's why only perl can parse perl
< 1428797967 716723 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need the whole language in the parser
< 1428797975 232992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
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< 1428798088 988121 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it just had an ambiguous grammar with a lot of cases that are settled in an arbitrary way
< 1428798113 402718 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that C++
< 1428798214 618988 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++'s grammar is not ambiguous. It's not context-free. It's not even context-sensitive
< 1428798229 613539 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Perl, parsing C++ is generally undecideable
< 1428798356 141559 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are templates turing-complete?
< 1428798369 586007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i think ambiguous is not inconsistent with undecidable hth
< 1428798405 987526 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait they don't even need to be
< 1428798439 876595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think those are pretty orthogonal
< 1428798477 586989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: er, really?
< 1428798480 3003 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to be able to make one that takes O(n^2) or worse time to decide whether some token A is a type or a value,
< 1428798486 194994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't template computation limited
< 1428798494 793991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine what else you could exploit for that
< 1428798497 531757 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: constexpr
< 1428798506 72358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't constexpr sub-TC
< 1428798508 62970 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1428798513 604146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1428798517 336204 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's usually a recursion limit on templates, but except for that I think they are TC
< 1428798517 711771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you use it to mess with parsing?
< 1428798531 536132 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what olsner said
< 1428798540 151708 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the limit is often "compiler's available memory" though
< 1428798559 997440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's limited so.
< 1428798561 95961 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I understand it the "typename X" stuff is supposed to allow parsing to continue without template expansion
< 1428798573 720360 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: right, but that only works inside a template
< 1428798585 969461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: can you show me an example of some C++ whose parsing does not terminate
< 1428798632 691449 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So i guess that's me question. is it possible to make a C++ string which cannot be parsed in O(n) time
< 1428798661 311804 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :template <bool B> struct foo { typedef int bar; }; template <> struct foo<false> { static int bar; }; void fail() { int i; { foo<does_TM_halt()>::bar * i; } }
< 1428798711 688988 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1428798809 718682 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clang testsuite includes a UTM written with constexpr
< 1428799165 445440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more the implemention of does_TM_halt I was curious about, but
< 1428799172 526473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess constexpr is just underrestricted?
< 1428799185 207646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure the standard doesn't specify some arbitrary implementation limit :p
< 1428799189 330132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think constexpr is just "do arbitrary stuff at compile time"
< 1428799191 325963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...are you sure C++ is actually TC)
< 1428799313 738613 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is not directly TC at run time
< 1428799342 244251 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it wasn't intended to be TC; people who are bad at computer science theory were involved in the design and thought that they'd managed to make a version of constexpr which was powerful but not problematic.
< 1428799348 486834 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was actually TC
< 1428799353 179108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1428799369 188109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :powerful but sub-TC is a difficult line to walk
< 1428799375 668350 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C/C++ are not TC only due to the limitation in memory
< 1428799378 38328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe aiming for primitive recursive is the best bet
< 1428799404 230706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C is potentially TC because of the file API, nothing in C limits files to any particular arbitrary size
< 1428799417 429068 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right. But I mean without files.
< 1428799439 101491 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can sort of consider it in a meta approach
< 1428799454 301845 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where every time you get a memory error, you double the pointer size and retry
< 1428799468 929442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLAs and recursion let you allocate arbitrary amounts of memory up to the size of the largest integer or size_t, whichever is smaller
< 1428799488 486751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you don't even really need recursion
< 1428799874 596461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: is constexpr really more TC than runtime C++
< 1428799883 948799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is so dumb
< 1428799913 673854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, many languages are designed to require more power to compile than they do to run
< 1428799931 481350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not normally in the "undecidable vs. TC" sense
< 1428800245 263815 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, C++ is straight TC because of templates too.
< 1428800258 629009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are limited though
< 1428800270 545157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any portable C++ program can't use them to demonstrate TCness
< 1428800296 163526 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, a C++ compiler can just bail on it. Alas.
< 1428800326 293085 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then a C compiler only has to handle a fairly small number of blocks.
< 1428800637 135496 :Guest3780!~magician@46.186.178.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back
< 1428800641 482667 :Guest3780!~magician@46.186.178.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang nabt it
< 1428800648 206763 :Guest3780!~magician@46.186.178.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One entity is getting annoying
< 1428801846 554902 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: really, thy don't have to heandle arbitrary nesting depth?
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< 1428803301 454166 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: Nope.
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< 1428810802 8312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that my grandfather once told me he would call the President on the telephone and tell him to remove the word "I don't want" from the dictionary. (And yet we both live in Canada, eh?)
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< 1428811117 429481 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the president has any authority with the dictionary
< 1428811188 233781 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that  “( i+=2 < 3 )”  means  “( i+=(2 < 3) )” ?
< 1428811229 464611 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1428811255 152098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1428811255 273308 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assignment has very low precedence
< 1428811275 644697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, I know, that isn't his job
< 1428811312 403134 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't... i just wrote a loop that never ended because of that  >.>
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< 1428811457 364923 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. yes, you can't replace i++ with i+=1 in the general case
< 1428811461 617972 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 030x0dea 5*  10New user account
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< 1428811593 116489 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's Greek Orthodox Easter
< 1428811620 230122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I didn't know when Greek Orthodox Easter was this year; now I can know!
< 1428811751 444316 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell because outside the window, they are having a ceremony with candles and singing
< 1428811805 779455 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of bell ringing
< 1428811841 391051 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like they've gone inside now though
< 1428812422 1429 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beatnik14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42364&oldid=42363 5* 030x0dea 5* (+419) 10Add alphabet program
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< 1428813004 354885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I think the problem here is that you wanted to write an expression like (i+=2) < 3 in the first place
< 1428813103 100034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like it's undefined behavior
< 1428813124 620702 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming in a while statement
< 1428813147 313702 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like while(i++ < n)
< 1428813165 263061 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he changed it to while(i+=2 < n) to go two at a time
< 1428813183 504975 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was surprised when it didn't work
< 1428813254 368906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pronouns people guess for some nicks will never cease to surprise me
< 1428813398 482904 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliotte
< 1428813403 631855 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a girl
< 1428813404 606543 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. i bet it changes when people are asked what pronoun they'd use as opposed to writing with out thinking
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< 1428813583 391108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should ask dianne what his opinion is
< 1428813587 518747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs away
< 1428813692 715388 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? ^^;
< 1428813694 296714 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. dianne, do you think it's bad to write an expression like i += 2 < 3 in C?
< 1428813746 514860 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This can be confusing because it means i += (2 < 3) instead of (i += 2) < 3  
< 1428813748 650120 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's mistering the point here
< 1428813797 789044 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I personally wouldn't put an assignment there at all, but I'd rather not argue code aesthetics
< 1428813807 365179 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cc main(i){while(i+=2<3);}
< 1428813824 596824 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1428813839 620791 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/cc
< 1428813840 406061 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo "$@" > /tmp/a.c && gcc /tmp/a.c -o /tmp/a.out && /tmp/a.out
< 1428813845 315755 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably looped around
< 1428813895 757925 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'main(i){while(i+=2<3);}' >/tmp/a.c && gcc -c -std=c99 -Wall -Wextra /tmp/a.c
< 1428813898 174184 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/a.c:1:1: warning: return type defaults to ‘int’ [enabled by default] \ /tmp/a.c: In function ‘main’: \ /tmp/a.c:1:1: warning: type of ‘i’ defaults to ‘int’ [enabled by default]
< 1428813926 960030 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 'main(i){while(i&&i||i);}' >/tmp/a.c && gcc -c -std=c99 -Wall -Wextra /tmp/a.c
< 1428813933 491915 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/tmp/a.c:1:1: warning: return type defaults to ‘int’ [enabled by default] \ /tmp/a.c: In function ‘main’: \ /tmp/a.c:1:1: warning: type of ‘i’ defaults to ‘int’ [enabled by default] \ /tmp/a.c:1:1: warning: suggest parentheses around ‘&&’ within ‘||’ [-Wparentheses]
< 1428813961 166122 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... also. I'm not a "he".
< 1428813999 609414 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dianne: oerjan was making a joke because we were discussing how people guess pronouns
< 1428814026 149928 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I guessed "he" for "izabera" and I was wrong
< 1428814038 307148 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh it's np
< 1428814060 267554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles a merry tune
< 1428814088 899001 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, alright. I'm not really bothered, was just a bit confused. since, well, I didn't really see how, with my name...
< 1428814096 251924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went a day without third-person pronouns once, just for fun
< 1428814108 594033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite doable, I don't think anyone even noticed how weird the sentence structure gets sometimes
< 1428814126 788601 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In Japanese they don't really have them
< 1428814151 472838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you use a script to make sure not to slip up?
< 1428814154 980463 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I use third-person pronouns exclusively. You might think it is quite odd, but I find it fun
< 1428814175 550019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it was a spur-of-the-moment-thing
< 1428814214 988787 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's あの人 and あの奴 etc. but those are just phrases like "that person" or "that dude"
< 1428814259 550077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC Hungarian doesn't have gendered third-person pronouns? which is why b_jonas' pronoun usage is so weird on occasion?
< 1428814290 9597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't noticed anything wrong with b_jonas's usage...
< 1428814323 523450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, there's only ő
< 1428814332 320463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish too
< 1428814345 181884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hän iirc)
< 1428814371 462914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish merges them all into "it", right?
< 1428814412 685871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently, no, wiktionary claims it's only for humans
< 1428814421 804450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1428814424 672392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol lied to me, I guess
< 1428814484 321153 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right there is 彼 and 彼女 but you don't hear people say it often, because they also mean "boyfriend" and "girlfriend" respectivley
< 1428814529 154435 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is really weird, that a pronoun can shift in meaning like that
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< 1428814748 915385 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shop.fsf.org/product/usb/    did you know they sell these?
< 1428814784 4034 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, I did not
< 1428814785 78982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english and swedish wiktionaries disagree on whether hungarian ő includes "it"
< 1428814786 398307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute
< 1428814796 414012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they" as in USB RNGs in general, or the FSF specifically?
< 1428814808 497402 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in this case fsf
< 1428814821 597908 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know anyone sold these
< 1428814824 912028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I knew that USB RNG things were a thing, but not that the FSF sold them.
< 1428814990 957561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(norwegian/swedish/danish have four third person pronouns, because in addition to "natural" gendered pronouns, the _inanimate_ pronouns have _grammatical_ gender.)
< 1428814999 10008 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shop.fsf.org/product/stuffed-baby-gnu/
< 1428815015 602354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, singular)
< 1428815031 46788 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :stallman went to italy last september
< 1428815037 792099 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :he auctioned a stuffed baby gnu
< 1428815041 590566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you recovered yet?
< 1428815043 599236 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sold it for 80$
< 1428815045 226476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they know speaking Italian?
< 1428815049 577719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shop.fsf.org/category/stuffed-gnu/ lots of things in the stuffed gnus category
< 1428815059 306112 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: he spoke english
< 1428815084 813326 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he did that saint ignucius thing :D
< 1428815094 194161 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fun
< 1428815101 33074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqgPyqyh4X4
< 1428815105 214261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want to go to Italy, I would want to learn speaking Italian though.
< 1428815163 179862 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was just a trip for a conference o_o
< 1428815189 810414 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i'd like to visit japan eventually but i'm not going to spend 15 years learning japanese
< 1428815275 544664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very much dedication, izabera
< 1428815296 323163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will you understand what people are saying if you don't master japanese before going there
< 1428815307 287284 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dedication stops at watching subbed anime <.<
< 1428815319 124919 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the plural of anime?
< 1428815320 544282 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :animes?
< 1428815336 287830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone fansubbing literal real life japan
< 1428815349 419723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too watched some sub anime such as Kaiji
< 1428815358 583143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's "anime" if you don't want to be silly, "animes" if you do.
< 1428815367 633813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess pedantically it'd be "anime series" or something in the first place anyway.)
< 1428815388 678698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that video was about twice as long as necessary.  although more topical than expected.
< 1428815400 542404 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am (somewhat half-heartedly, I admit) trying to learn Italian for a trip I am planning later this year
< 1428815402 224817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to watch Akagi and Kaiji?
< 1428815439 823276 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watch anime without subtitles sometimes... I'm not good at it yet so I have to keep rewinding
< 1428815446 585063 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION teaches Taneb all her italian: pizza pasta mamma mia
< 1428815460 23848 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, that is not much italian
< 1428815465 182123 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1428815465 947745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: bonjour
< 1428815471 195497 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: croissant
< 1428815475 500794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just kidding. that's spanish
< 1428815479 345338 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is less Italian
< 1428815484 135202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats elliott -----###
< 1428815489 196635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spanish is at least 14% italian.
< 1428815493 704833 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cappuccino espresso latte macchiatto
< 1428815519 501753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if boily were here you'd be in for a mapole as well.
< 1428815521 468588 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buongiorno, donne e uomini (I think)
< 1428815525 1367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure.
< 1428815525 523609 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually 90% of the italians share that opinion
< 1428815543 199797 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Italian and Spanish are at times mutually intelligible
< 1428815552 650848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I only say facts!! and true things
< 1428815553 707934 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's very formal
< 1428815561 753721 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ciao ragazze e ragazzi
< 1428815576 243868 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, I am a very formal person, I sometimes even wear a tie
< 1428815576 930895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's very informal
< 1428815579 110258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lied, none of those words are pizza, pasta, or mamma. or mia.
< 1428815589 455632 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg ties are so 1800
< 1428815624 176879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never worn a tie in my entire life.
< 1428815650 829100 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have several ties, but I've mostly only worn them to operas
< 1428815662 500053 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :operas D:
< 1428815663 978817 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and weddings I guess
< 1428815682 138668 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, on the good side, this channel makes me feel young
< 1428815691 972709 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the bad side, this channel makes me feel too young
< 1428815701 605902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is probably younger than you?
< 1428815707 408083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well idk maybe Taneb is old now
< 1428815708 411452 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 22
< 1428815713 603345 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am younger than yu
< 1428815716 336567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 19.
< 1428815716 631255 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1428815717 714766 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you
< 1428815718 995981 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am 20
< 1428815720 686554 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you :C
< 1428815724 268460 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I was born may 10 1993
< 1428815733 346820 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also younger than orin 
< 1428815735 338868 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ash holes ;-;
< 1428815743 899601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry!
< 1428815747 624604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I still the youngest person here? that would be weirder now than when I was 11
< 1428815766 779095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have I been in this godforsaken channel for eight years
< 1428815791 495483 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing better to do?
< 1428815801 796422 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheap internet?
< 1428815809 805230 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :free food?
< 1428815810 934119 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe you're a supergenius
< 1428815812 401829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former was true for a depressing number of years, more or less
< 1428815818 280895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get free food here??
< 1428815830 577189 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there's a buffet by the mapole
< 1428815839 807473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't go near the mapole.
< 1428815841 268472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too dangerous.
< 1428815841 751657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: 's ok i'm 44
< 1428815850 994771 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :*_*
< 1428815857 817507 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks *.*
< 1428815907 961279 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I have been to like at least 8 operas
< 1428815926 296950 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they sell popcorn?
< 1428815928 361858 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is like, 8, more operas than I have been to
< 1428815934 222368 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to an Operetta once
< 1428815938 650248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't cpressey older than you oerjan?
< 1428815939 494875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not
< 1428815950 681853 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't monqy younger than you, elliott?
< 1428815970 516764 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: no, you're not allowed to eat during an opera, eating is noisy
< 1428815987 468042 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :bummer
< 1428815987 580369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i dunno...
< 1428816003 986036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: monqy was I think, yeah
< 1428816076 729207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're mentioning people who aren't _present_, i suspect Lil^WHe of a dozen names is also younger than elliott
< 1428816116 562228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one of the people joining for esoterica stuff for like five seconds was, like, 60
< 1428816119 664560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I helping, izabera
< 1428816131 162639 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :allot
< 1428816145 302436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't you remember that COBOL guy?  he was older than me
< 1428816167 638123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btiggins or something like that
< 1428816176 922116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't Rugxlo or whatever his name was too
< 1428816177 452151 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know cobol but i know sed and sed is older :(
< 1428816180 342102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with different actual letters)
< 1428816208 290031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed older than COBOL? i'm skeptical.
< 1428816209 671347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying but I'm actually an immortal being who has been alive for ten thousand years and you're all whippersnappers
< 1428816220 593011 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you too?
< 1428816223 548191 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed is the oldest language on unix
< 1428816223 674490 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even older than unix actually
< 1428816224 528904 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was the only one!
< 1428816230 96999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: get off my turf.
< 1428816240 929954 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera, COBOL is, too
< 1428816248 111544 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1428816254 559373 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL dates to 1959
< 1428816266 909486 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is considerably older than sed
< 1428816272 481863 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok o_o
< 1428816274 690792 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry then
< 1428816286 248024 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like paleo-it
< 1428816310 642441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know lisp
< 1428816313 662962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's from 1958 theoretically
< 1428816333 258373 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :only emacs users do
< 1428816334 504847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like saying you know BCPL because you know C though
< 1428816334 825065 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not
< 1428816340 717945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use vim and know lisp :(
< 1428816349 560060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> elliott, there's a buffet by the mapole <-- beware of the poutine
< 1428816372 756361 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about the gazspacho?
< 1428816401 882717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay sometimes I use emacs but rarely
< 1428816422 78326 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can C-x C-c
< 1428816422 207775 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a little lisp but I am not very good at it
< 1428816434 911722 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, C-x C-c. the :wq of emacs
< 1428816447 756536 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it's also w
< 1428816490 937004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't
< 1428816500 740930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that tastes szupérb
< 1428816579 339149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't understand why they teach :wq instead of :x
< 1428816591 603815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or :xa
< 1428816591 669525 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't use vim, I am afraid
< 1428816629 888739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is :x like ZZ
< 1428816652 383206 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you guys use bash and its vi mode, you may like this
< 1428816653 856017 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if shopt -oq vi; then
< 1428816655 909171 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :  alias :{x,{,w}q}{,a}=exit :e=vim :h=man info='info --vi-keys'
< 1428816658 16755 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi
< 1428816689 470709 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can type :wq in your shell to exit
< 1428816690 95591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever :wqa bash as opposed to just :qing it
< 1428816691 103024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah indeed
< 1428816706 664732 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually _often_
< 1428816735 166355 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a musclar reflex at this point
< 1428816740 609292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1428816788 597439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shop.fsf.org/product/gnu-emacs-reference-mugs/ http://shop.fsf.org/product/signed-rms-photo-print/
< 1428817193 223380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not one million years old
< 1428817388 441364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if C-x C-c works in bash
< 1428817391 955401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it knows a lot of Emacs bindings
< 1428817431 158398 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, very few people are
< 1428817438 252171 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :None, at a guess
< 1428817518 834541 :mbrcknl_!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aapcmmsqfovglugw JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428817562 73556 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :binding C-c in bash is kinda hard since stty gets in the way
< 1428817568 527746 :edwardk_!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428817738 546275 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does the job...    stty intr ''; bind -x '"\C-x\C-c":exit'
< 1428817761 481642 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't make it work without unsetting it for stty :\
< 1428817813 545472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you ever win a Ig Nobel prize for proving that it is impossible to use complex numbers in accounting?
< 1428817836 744809 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not yet
< 1428817926 870283 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1428818037 460546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but soon?
< 1428818050 992500 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually
< 1428818059 150053 :mbrcknl_!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aapcmmsqfovglugw NICK :mbrcknl
< 1428818116 153762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right after you learn japanese
< 1428818121 189374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had proven such thing, but now I forgot how. Nevertheless it isn't what I was trying to do; I was trying to figure out how to use complex numbers in accounting, but instead I concluded it is impossible and also invented matrix accounting too due to that. It is possible to try to make one thing but you can make something else instead.
< 1428818131 982806 :edwardk_!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk NICK :edwardk
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< 1428822034 215206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beatnik14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42365&oldid=42364 5* 030x0dea 5* (+327) 10Add infinite loop example
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< 1428824456 720192 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"13 Pop a number and skip ahead n (actually n+1) words if the number is zero."
< 1428824462 256378 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... what n?
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< 1428824610 148728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :off by one horror
< 1428824680 431765 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too
< 1428824693 505300 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is n if it's not "the number"
< 1428824786 726758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one thing i can think of is that possibly he means the +1 to be the "normal" word increment after any instruction
< 1428824827 991340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION paranoidly checks author name, whew looks male
< 1428824838 379070 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but as i said: that's not what bothers me
< 1428824848 31395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1428824855 241359 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get what the hell n is
< 1428824879 15636 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if n is in fact "the number", 13 is just a nop
< 1428824902 137648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1428824905 619527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that the commands corresponding to values 5, 13, 14, 15, and 16 each read an extra word and use it as a parameter (then skip it)."
< 1428824917 299511 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1428824928 309684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's that skip that's the +1, then
< 1428825045 343700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "but it ought to be able to simulate any Push-down automaton"
< 1428825105 479655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm suspicious that it might not be able to do sufficiently complicated flow control because the size limits also affect jump distance
< 1428825167 699000 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what size limit
< 1428825203 663935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in this case, the max scrabble score, i guess
< 1428825240 673936 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the examples mad3 me think you could do arbitrary long words
< 1428825275 248121 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but longer programs might not quite look like real sentences
< 1428825295 375562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the interpreter doesn't enforce dictionary words
< 1428825309 744942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the examples are, aren't they?
< 1428825338 866142 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you _could_ do is jumping backwards to a position that jumps backwards
< 1428825386 185732 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to jump over them if you read forward
< 1428825406 938518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you'd get a traffic jam, essentially, if you had too many paths
< 1428825465 500149 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1428825481 423562 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am not quite sure if this is really not tc
< 1428825506 999723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tc it is not.  there is no infinite memory other than the stack.
< 1428825520 993188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is whether you can get all pushdown automata.
< 1428825534 56059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(deterministic)
< 1428825553 859873 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 is , and 9 is .; 5 1 7 is + and 5 1 10 is -
< 1428825594 73995 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ and ] _should_ be able to translate into 13-16
< 1428825594 208338 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: |ill-formed number
< 1428825603 106919 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is > and <
< 1428825616 410042 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had a second stack, it could be tc
< 1428825631 734860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for the other size limit, "and since data items are finite (integers from 0 to 255)"
< 1428825658 768740 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that holds true to bf too, doesn't it?
< 1428825691 748491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes in many versions
< 1428825718 174066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the thing is, without a cell limit you don't need unlimited number of cells
< 1428825727 126771 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't .,+-[] enough for a push-down automaton?
< 1428825786 547350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't have general [] if you don't have arbitrary long words
< 1428825794 549768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do, then probably.
< 1428825961 851065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cliffle.com/esoterica/beatnik.html looks a bit different from the esolang description
< 1428825991 304337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and explains your original question clearly
< 1428826088 745757 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the second paragraph
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< 1428826946 154084 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beatnik14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42366&oldid=42365 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+189) 10/* Computational class */ Quibble on PDA
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< 1428829580 56408 :roman2!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord morning everybody
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< 1428829898 372345 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in ayacc, consider making it possible to have multiple start symbols to choose from when you start the parser, at least in the non-compatibility interface? I believe currently you have to emulate that by injecting an extra terminal symbol at the start from the tokenizer, which is fine for theory but ugly.
< 1428829920 552883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be too hard to implement, at least
< 1428829935 800574 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1428829951 230987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that that would require some sort of syntax extension, or else to compile all possible start symbols
< 1428829981 27296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax extension could be a new declaration type
< 1428829995 54928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even just multiple copies of %start declarations
< 1428830004 400783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no, it's not so easy
< 1428830019 226119 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not clear how you'd decide from them in the C entrance interface
< 1428830205 95395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, all these extra features are less important. the most important thing is that ayacc should always generate correct output, even for unusual grammars.
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< 1428830428 169458 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it can do that, than this will probably already be worth to use over bison
< 1428830436 217353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ/Esolangs14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42367&oldid=22963 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+129) 10Updated user page.
< 1428830565 271160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh by the way, how will the license of this work? if I have a constant grammar, can I put the C code output under public domain?
< 1428830591 206055 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is the generated C code output portable, not depending on specifics of the system, so this can be done usefully?
< 1428830612 377231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: unlike flex, the output is going to be direct-coded and have hardly any verbatim copies from the input file
< 1428830616 527503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, unlike bison
< 1428830624 396094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the output will probably be licensed the same way as the input
< 1428830630 743363 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1428830677 954023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even if it does have verbatim copies from a template, that template could be in public domain while ayacc as a whole is licensed differently. that's how autotools works I think.)
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< 1428830745 941351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :autotools works vaguely like that but unnecessarily complicated, I think
< 1428830964 234454 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:54 < elliott> finnish merges them all into "it", right? ← well, kinda. there's hän which is only for humans and se which is for everything
< 1428830982 258478 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally using se for humans is less formal
< 1428831264 776216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, normal parsing theory seems to make a distinction between shift actions and goto actions
< 1428831273 554503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider them to be the same, and they are in many cases
< 1428831280 431457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but added a few of my own for optimization purposes
< 1428831290 748000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift_and_reduce actions, degenerate reduce actions, cast actions
< 1428831319 685933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indirect actions, which basically just combine the common code of two states that are almost but not quite identical
< 1428831337 4605 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, so many optimizations
< 1428831348 801818 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you'll need a big testsuite for this, which isn't easy
< 1428831438 907321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using C-INTERCAL ;-)
< 1428831455 364055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems that there's a name for the sort of implementation I'm using: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_ascent_parser
< 1428831468 936119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the optimizations make it look less messy than what's shown there
< 1428831498 240845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, C-intercal is a nice idea
< 1428831514 660497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL is a pain to parse
< 1428831519 29182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes for a good parser testsuite
< 1428831530 131261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes, but some of that pain is in the lexer, isn't it?
< 1428831537 896015 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the non-yacc part in general
< 1428831612 798743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly any
< 1428831632 261744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only help the grammar needs from the lexer is to identify whether a spark/ears is necessarily opening, or could be closing
< 1428831703 825755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the case of "could be closing", it's assumed that it isn't ever opening; this is the hack that removes ambiguity and makes the language LALR(1) in the first place, and it's mentioned in the INTERCAL-72 manual)
< 1428831761 568863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have to disambiguate between overlapping keywords like DO NOT GIVE UPLEASE ,3 <- #0
< 1428831811 8325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly technically we have to, but we don't currently
< 1428831961 635119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, here's a sample warning message:
< 1428831967 392293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ayacc: warning: shift/reduce conflict on symbol ELSE at t.y line 8
< 1428831968 786187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ayacc: info: conflict is reached after, e.g., IF expr THEN IF expr THEN stmt . ELSE
< 1428831970 289211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ayacc: info: to resolve the conflict: specify a precedence for ELSE and THEN
< 1428831978 514993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much better than bison :-)
< 1428832005 377424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1428832008 175778 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed much better
< 1428832017 530581 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42368 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+1274) 10New esolang!
< 1428832030 510497 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does posix yacc or bison or ayacc guarantee to not read the lookahead token if you can decide which rule to run without the lookahead?
< 1428832062 70596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example is sometimes badly wrong in the case of a reduce/reduce conflict, but that's because due to deficiencies of LALR(1), sometimes there is no example and the conflict's completely spurious
< 1428832085 105972 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1428832095 958821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, there's a guarantee to not read into the lookahead token if the current state unconditionally reduces and always by the same rule
< 1428832098 41690 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's when the grammar is LR(1) but not LALR(1)
< 1428832100 306403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm optimizing those states out entirely
< 1428832104 160488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ/Esolangs14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42369&oldid=42367 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-46) 10
< 1428832108 466748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what a shift_then_reduce action is for
< 1428832124 36413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you aren't reading the lookahead token anyway, no need to actually run the logic of the state in question
< 1428832127 194037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good, but guarantee in what? posix yacc too, or only ayacc?
< 1428832132 284342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guarantee in posix yacc
< 1428832136 269050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1428832191 976868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me a while to find where it says that (it's near the end), but it does
< 1428832202 281024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that guarantee exists because it's practically useful
< 1428832206 234728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it does make things less consistent
< 1428832227 74637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think rules would prefer to know that the lookahead token had always been read, rather than sometimes being read and sometimes not
< 1428832238 943450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's practically useful, both for reading interactive input, and for crazy stuff like that seeking tokenizer I've shown yesterday
< 1428832240 184452 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42370&oldid=40356 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+121) 10
< 1428832254 341521 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually just a head seeking in the tokenized stream)
< 1428832268 173292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I wouldn't prefer it always read
< 1428832289 807560 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would be even worse in that hypothetical LALR(2) mode)
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< 1428832310 108175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1428832315 555509 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would just lead to kludges like emitting two tokens when a newline is read interactively
< 1428832374 788364 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys
< 1428832510 232186 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... I have an article about an esolang -- it explains everything while being a really short stub... what should I do?
< 1428832578 886751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :post it anyway and put {{stub}} at the start
< 1428832592 195779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the esolang is the sort of esolang that's impossible to spend more than a couple of sentences describing
< 1428832593 676782 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1428832598 855833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it should probably be on the joke languages list
< 1428832626 403899 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible to program in, it's equivalent to a finite state automaton. However, it does only take a couple of sentences to describe it.
< 1428832639 442042 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I add it to the joke language list anyway?
< 1428832655 156089 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure 'joke' means something other than just 'really short stub'...
< 1428832663 934401 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm rambling now, thanks
< 1428832693 521919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's possible to program in, it's not a joke
< 1428832694 405394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: maybe add some example programs to make it longer?
< 1428832700 701959 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42371&oldid=42368 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+9) 10
< 1428832702 372172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, if it's possible to program in /and/ possible to implement
< 1428832722 498926 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit like Text in the fact it's already implemented.
< 1428832722 556708 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, add an implementation too
< 1428832724 920074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that this is sufficient to not be a joke, but not necessary, some non-joke languages would be hard or impossible to program in
< 1428832728 540621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to implement
< 1428832776 623378 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know Text, where there are already programs to interpret it? well my esolang is like that, but it's got better computation power.
< 1428832791 628362 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not saying it's better, I should've reworded that
< 1428832803 34601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text probably counts as a joke
< 1428832831 778070 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: then add links to implementations to the description of the language
< 1428832832 127934 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think mine is a joke... not too much of one, anyway
< 1428832894 399245 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but the point is, everyone already has an implementation - the language's like Text in that way
< 1428832920 771116 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text -> most OSes already have an implementation. Folder -> same thing.
< 1428833090 186686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beatnik14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42372&oldid=42366 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-175) 10I convinced myself I was wrong about unlimited word length being needed
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< 1428833850 948184 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42373&oldid=42371 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+10) 10Some people have to double-click to open stuff, so 'any user can click one of the transitions' is technically incorrect and might cause confusion.
< 1428833911 132737 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that language works much better with symlinks/junctions
< 1428833948 477462 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that point, it's basically just a funky encoding for an FSM, or is it a PDA?
< 1428833996 199645 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1428834004 453835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: actually this is much more complex than it looks
< 1428834031 294185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because symlinks don't work quite the same way as shortcuts, and I think it may make a difference to computational power
< 1428834046 80357 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest, I've never heard of symlinks.
< 1428834053 887035 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but continue, I'm intrigued.
< 1428834077 335574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a "shortcut" isn't a filesystem feature, it's a feature of the Windows graphical shell
< 1428834109 105070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you follow a shortcut, Explorer opens up a specific file or directory or other shell object for you (the internal name is "shell links")
< 1428834128 916234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a symlink, meanwhile, is a filesystem feature, it basically forms an asymmetrical alias
< 1428834162 825125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why is it a difference in computational power; and the shell can treat symlinks in at least two ways in some operations I think
< 1428834201 186645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if I create a symlink "a" pointing at "../b/c" in "/d/e", then "/d/e/a" is a different name for the same file as "/d/b/c"
< 1428834211 304164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the two names are treated as distinct for some purposes
< 1428834230 531416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and knowing what those purposes are is probably important to know if this is an FSM or PDA, and I can't remember offhnad
< 1428834256 929392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: basically, you can't construct unboundedly long paths with shortcuts
< 1428834259 304241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can with symlinks
< 1428834274 772820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the PDAness is based on whether there's some way to /read/ the path using only the basic operation of Folder
< 1428834318 732052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, I mean, it's above FSM because you can just use shortcuts to .. to do bracket matching
< 1428834327 927315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if you get an actual PDA stack, or just a coutner
< 1428834336 906058 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bracket matching?
< 1428834340 465279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm leaning towards PDA at this point
< 1428834354 298085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: given a string consisting only of ( and ) characters, determine whether they match correctly
< 1428834365 295288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an FSM can't do that, but it's trivial for almost any PDA implementation
< 1428834373 498207 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're saying my esolang could be a PDA instead of an FSM?
< 1428834376 401153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1428834379 724726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it may depend on the oS
< 1428834381 234471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*OS
< 1428834387 521248 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is interesting
< 1428834396 567754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving languages that people think are FSMs are actually PDAs is one of my hobbies
< 1428834402 299466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Keymaker-Splinter
< 1428834423 656482 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you entirely sure, or is it going to be controversial?
< 1428834432 719154 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe “< ais523> proving languages that people think are FSMs are actually PDAs is one of my hobbies”
< 1428834441 786821 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we add this to a quotation bot?
< 1428834452 623006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to
< 1428834455 860653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why it would be a PDA though
< 1428834457 503052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I'm not 100% sure
< 1428834473 708897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently think it's more than 50% likely but can't be much more confident than that
< 1428834489 388129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is mostly based on deficiencies in my understanding of symlinks, rather than in my understanding of PDAs
< 1428834496 392953 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pedantic> I don't think languages can be FSMs or PDAs. They can be capable of expressing FSMs or PDAs, sure, but a language is not a program</pedantic>
< 1428834500 363297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :directory hardlinks add an extra layer of complication
< 1428834509 530666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I elided "equivalent in power to"
< 1428834510 999481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1428834572 306087 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428834583 906765 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I use shortcuts only?
< 1428834587 444170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but directory hardlinks shouldn't exist
< 1428834609 458709 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you said... 
< 1428834611 425816 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1428834767 786453 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's your username on the wiki? I want to credit you on the talk page
< 1428834791 506156 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, found it
< 1428834871 552257 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't see how it could be more powerful than a fsm. 
< 1428834871 857167 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I call you a he or a she?
< 1428834903 282844 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of symlink-related computing, http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/symlinks/index.php
< 1428834905 720932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was about to say 'his name is alex, so...' and then i realised that doesn't help at all
< 1428834916 526169 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it could do the stuff a PDA can do, I wonder if it could combine the computational power of both.
< 1428834954 104046 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I think, he might be male. But maybe that's just a cultural bias, and I don't really mind.
< 1428834968 421069 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should use the singular 'they'
< 1428835086 545889 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... tell me
< 1428835101 721625 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's very definitely male, though
< 1428835113 730124 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I'll trust you
< 1428835206 526920 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folder14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42374 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+376) 10My esolang is more interesting now, I guess...?
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< 1428835515 530087 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42375&oldid=42373 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+586) 10Updated definition a bit, updated computational class.
< 1428835569 640942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42376&oldid=42375 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+0) 10Fixed incorrect link.
< 1428835648 516770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I tend not to use gendered pronouns when talking about myself in the third person
< 1428835660 624747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, my gender is possibly too well-known by now
< 1428835728 138500 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually I'm not that fussed about revealing my gender...
< 1428835787 285773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when do you talk about yourself in third person? writing a cv or something?
< 1428835801 665057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION talks about themself in the third person
< 1428835835 506083 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so self-referencing statements
< 1428835854 232957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"talking about myself" tends to be self-referencing.
< 1428835987 577300 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... can't you add flags to a shortcut link like -r for shutdown - atleast in windows?
< 1428836050 956960 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ik it's not limited to shortcuts, but it sounds interesting)
< 1428836096 634175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: you can, because Windows shortcuts are kind-of complex
< 1428836101 485434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and badly designed in many ways, too
< 1428836147 13558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they're sort of a carry-on from windows 95, and in some ways maybe even from windows 3.1
< 1428836158 471335 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably made sense back then
< 1428836163 350272 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh... does that add any extra computational power or can you just emulate the behavior in an FSA?
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< 1428836481 4625 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know what 'use shortcuts to do bracket matching' means
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< 1428837200 858331 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: maybe set your text editor up to automatically insert a matching ')' after the cursor when you type '('
< 1428837238 893862 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
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< 1428837322 340192 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1428837485 165977 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that would be a shortcut
< 1428837602 126382 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42377&oldid=42376 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-387) 10Simplified explanation a little
< 1428837630 836510 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? chrome messed up on me, so I can't see the chat history
< 1428837642 495053 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still don't know what you mean
< 1428837712 63322 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, do you know if my programming language is a FSA or a PDA?
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< 1428839054 894124 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any tips on draining an ocean
< 1428839159 70572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: there is no spoon
< 1428839165 287437 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need to have as much drain bandwidth as there is water coming in?
< 1428839186 794258 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this dwarf fortress?
< 1428839193 747283 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: don't rush it, start slowly, then speed up but not much
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< 1428839270 185380 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah in DF. 
< 1428839295 83006 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.85.155 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428839299 97813 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trrying to drain an underground ocean to get at some rare minerals
< 1428839314 90103 :zadock!~zadock@79.116.110.252 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428839532 248300 :yump!97e3cf6c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.227.207.108 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428839863 907487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, cavern lakes fill from any open tiles at the edge of the map
< 1428839874 199829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :draining them entirely is very hard and will kill your fps
< 1428839894 132374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the most practical way of making an area accessible is to pour magma over it
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< 1428840585 22816 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42378&oldid=42362 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+263) 10
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< 1428841260 822712 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42379&oldid=42377 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-35) 10Not sure, with the requirements and specifications, that the argument for PDA holds. However, there's still discussion.
< 1428841316 543062 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42380&oldid=42374 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+17) 10
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< 1428841530 892685 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folder14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42381&oldid=42380 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-137) 10Rewritten the talk message
< 1428841643 590841 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42382&oldid=42379 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+0) 10capitalized 'F' in 'Folder program' and 'Folder programming language'
< 1428841986 498048 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42383&oldid=42382 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+92) 10Changes to the computational class section
< 1428842040 405043 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42384&oldid=42383 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+0) 10Minor change to the link to the talk page.
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< 1428843015 754211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“probably the most practical way of making an area accessible is to pour magma over it” -- hehe, sounds strange
< 1428843464 584278 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :greybera
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< 1428844156 156273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: dwarf fortress?
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< 1428844370 234318 :greybera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :izabera
< 1428844667 327898 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!science!!
< 1428844737 422157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Black Buoy has been painted yellow to avoid collisions."
< 1428844768 971991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still called the Black Buoy, apparently.
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< 1428845000 166768 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's going well so far. I haven't got down to magma yet, so I'm digging large width drainage channels
< 1428845081 463244 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later if I get magma, I'll pour it over the edges where the water comes in, so I can excavate more
< 1428845229 751179 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far some of the seabed is at 1-2
< 1428845398 258801 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next one I'm opening is 15 squares wide
< 1428845542 801854 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428845804 307037 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, the entring wter is 15 wide, so the drain needs to be nearby and 15 wide)
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< 1428846219 401901 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if magma is !!SCIENCE!! then what I'm doing is !!ENGINEERING!!
< 1428846556 510745 :roman2!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm...
< 1428846587 40168 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway if all goes well I'll soon have acess to a green ore called "garnierite" which I assume can be smelted into shampoo
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< 1428847197 631325 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/gHJOc.jpg
< 1428847315 791906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42385&oldid=41658 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+41) 10/* vandalismScript */ new section
< 1428847440 778350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42386&oldid=42385 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+45) 10/* vandalismScript */
< 1428847682 812466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42387&oldid=42386 5* 03101.226.125.113 5* (+150) 10/* VandalismScript */
< 1428847914 787197 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42388&oldid=42387 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+0) 10/* Hello, World */
< 1428848222 392990 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42389&oldid=42388 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+36) 10/* VandalismScript */
< 1428848564 648238 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42390&oldid=42389 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+28) 10/* Cat Program */
< 1428848816 602355 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42391&oldid=42390 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+14) 10/* Hello, World! */
< 1428849405 21139 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42392&oldid=42384 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (-1528) 10命名冲突
< 1428849603 446225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42393&oldid=42392 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+1528) 10Undo revision 42392 by [[Special:Contributions/Esowiki201529A|Esowiki201529A]] ([[User talk:Esowiki201529A|talk]])
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< 1428850531 60893 :EVANGELIS!~andromeda@254.Red-88-24-141.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mk
< 1428850561 736519 :EVANGELIS!~andromeda@254.Red-88-24-141.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-$
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< 1428851422 454931 :codeitagile!~codeitagi@host213-122-96-123.range213-122.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428855705 980927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42394&oldid=42339 5* 030x0dea 5* (+236) 10Add Ruby interpreter
< 1428856554 941593 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forensic I.T.! My mother lost a ring, so I pointed out we can tell when she lost it by looking at her numreous facebook pictures
< 1428856702 838725 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! wut, some vandal deleted my article and put it back?
< 1428856883 371208 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I translated the weird comment on the person that deleted the stuff on my article. Translated, it's "Naming conflicts"... Was he meaning to make a language called 'Folder' too?!
< 1428857259 373736 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't worry about it... maybe it was a mistake
< 1428857415 754244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esowiki201529a makes a lot of weird edits
< 1428857441 358177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what they're doing.
< 1428857463 834201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't seem to be an obvious vandal. maybe just a non-native speaker with some weird ideas about the wiki >_>
< 1428857493 504354 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that emote at the end for?!
< 1428857511 294920 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not his fault he's a foreign speaker
< 1428857520 581472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean to imply that, sorry.
< 1428857531 753563 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1428857561 90751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more a >_> of "they tried to rename my language out of the blue by editing the page and moving it once" :P
< 1428857618 496138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also didn't think that they might be a non-native speaker before that edit, since all their previous edits were in English if anything.)
< 1428857675 594927 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh...
< 1428857871 969793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the "naming conflict" thing was pointing out that there was already a language called "Folder", anyway.
< 1428857874 939290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that that's a problem
< 1428857887 144530 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was?
< 1428857944 891294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a uniqueness requirement for esolang names.
< 1428857958 481477 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right... 'Folders'...
< 1428857973 792679 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem about that
< 1428857999 219417 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty different... but this is interestin
< 1428858001 969662 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1428858052 93992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, "Folders", sorry.
< 1428858054 893345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to type that.
< 1428858285 441274 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's certainly interesting
< 1428858560 205708 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42395&oldid=42393 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+24) 10added distinguish tag because of naming conflicts
< 1428858670 91998 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42396&oldid=42395 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+19) 10So there's no distinguish tag...
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< 1428859002 910124 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... is that 'not to be confused with' necessary?
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< 1428859336 28975 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07POGAACK14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42397&oldid=41281 5* 0392.81.166.144 5* (+31) 10
< 1428859770 604627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1428859778 310930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't hurt and might be useful but if you really don't want it there you can remove it
< 1428859803 608212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be confusing because they both have broadly similar concepts.
< 1428859954 900577 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1428860120 839954 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42398&oldid=42396 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-43) 10
< 1428860138 474988 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably should've done some kind of undo function
< 1428860147 853824 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is one, but nevermind
< 1428860212 38004 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea... File!
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< 1428861509 622938 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1428861784 64667 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :History book titles from the future
< 1428861845 452570 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Folder is such an easy programming language... now I just need a hard one
< 1428861849 898003 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``Trigger Warning, Don't like don't look: The subjective reality of the early 2000s
< 1428861879 120794 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `Trigger: not found
< 1428861922 511601 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God damn it those are opening quotes not... agh
< 1428861927 334886 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, could a language based on algebra and logic be turing complete - or even an unknown computational class?
< 1428861950 886715 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, Is prolog turing complete, I forget
< 1428861972 417963 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, because I read somewhere datalog was supposed not to be
< 1428862002 913155 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'pure' prolog, whatever that would mean, yes
< 1428862138 228559 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! I know! functional bf?
< 1428862138 329977 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exciting!
< 1428862138 707052 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks egobot
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< 1428862572 894634 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other definitions of programming languages could already be interpreted by applications everyone has?
< 1428862645 637982 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... if you can go on hyperlinks to go to other web pages, could you put links to other program states in a program state written as a .html file?!
< 1428862691 573729 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a folder containing HTML files can simulate an FSA.
< 1428862706 685597 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it has no JS, or CSS, etc.
< 1428862714 16896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like ten languages identical to https://esolangs.org/wiki/Text on the wiki
< 1428862717 46397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you count that
< 1428862738 16384 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you show me one
< 1428862745 139695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just did; the one I linked. :p
< 1428862748 709652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag is more interesting
< 1428863298 52637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Object oriented thue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42399&oldid=40557 5* 034D enthusiast 5* (+263) 10/* stdio */ added HexOutput & HexInput classes
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< 1428866044 25221 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42401&oldid=42381 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+296) 10updated discuss page... why did nobody post here
< 1428866698 219814 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i ask a stupid question about brainfuck?
< 1428866714 644643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :give it a shot and we'll see
< 1428866722 308260 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: that was an excellent try
< 1428866728 502554 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1428866760 676174 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm trying to learn it, just what happens when you move the pointer before the 0th cell?
< 1428866782 146870 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the tape supposed to be infinite in both directions?
< 1428866797 91400 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. lovely undefined behavior
< 1428866817 973698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally, the tape was onesided. but it depends on the implementation.
< 1428866847 609098 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that makes a difference in the computational class of bf
< 1428866897 446879 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what's the most common implementation?
< 1428866904 873605 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: It's Turing-complete either way (assuming an infinite tape).
< 1428866918 218230 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure it's infinite, or do you mean unbounded?
< 1428866965 874145 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting to see a programming language using infinite tape, such that there's an address 'infinity'
< 1428866977 750584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I would treat it as an error
< 1428866981 66046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is the usual behaviour, too.
< 1428866990 568582 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thankies
< 1428867001 363760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"right-infinite tape, 8-bit values in cells, 0 on EOF" is what I would consider most standard, personally
< 1428867004 169653 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I believe most commonly stepping off the tape to the left is either an error, or does really funny things (the implementation used on the anagol site puts input data there...)
< 1428867014 573663 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I meant infinite
< 1428867016 339424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: in some implementations going < lets you access your own source code and modify it(!!)
< 1428867026 392060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, like int-e said.
< 1428867030 575388 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: that's fine, because the Turing machine is a theoretical construction.
< 1428867050 796585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure if the modifications actually take effect, but I think they do.)
< 1428867109 415330 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1428867141 38776 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be ok for an implementation to only have 2**63-1 cells?
< 1428867158 671057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be TC but it'd be fine yes
< 1428867160 701961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the unbounded/infinite distinction is a silly computer science one; it's silly because in practice, one still runs into address space limits with things of "unbounded" size.)
< 1428867162 909610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original only had 30k cells
< 1428867181 244017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like there's many people with more than 64 bits of addressable memory
< 1428867185 829090 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1428867191 954274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(current CPUs can't even address that much if they wanted to)
< 1428867210 256697 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's such thing as an infinite state automaton, whether it's turing complete or not
< 1428867270 17808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a turing machine :p
< 1428867323 750991 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would use regular expressions to define an infinite number of states, and then you could use those regexp-caught areas to transition to another one of many states
< 1428867435 87476 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. string [x] --- concatenate [y] ---> string [x][y] where [x] and [y] are wildcards
< 1428867444 505845 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, 48 bits addresses everywhere. (Even ATA addresses 512 byte blocks with 48 bit addresses)
< 1428867470 666807 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the state was 'string derp', going 'concatenate herp' would change the state to 'string derpherp'.
< 1428867579 336975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: note that if you had a program which went > 2^63-ish times and then did some random stuff it'd "only" take ~97 years to run
< 1428867589 712186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since it wouldn't store anything in the cells on the way technically you could run it on a normal machine
< 1428867602 307549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g., one that uses a hash table to store the tape sparsely, omitting 0s)
< 1428867624 555104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are programs which address a cell past 2^63 without requiring that much addressable memory that we can feasibly run today if we really, really want to
< 1428867624 953800 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing an interpreter to learn it
< 1428867627 309827 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in bash
< 1428867628 292989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is beyond irrelevant)
< 1428867639 924648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(~97 years assuming we can move right on the tape at 3 GHz)
< 1428867652 192887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay well what about all the people who want to spend 100 years running a useless brainfuck program using bash, izabera. :(
< 1428867670 853468 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck them \o/
< 1428867671 166296 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            |
< 1428867671 167349 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            >\
< 1428867700 906146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my enterprise will not be investing in your software product
< 1428867953 44861 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, even bitcoins might be a better investment than that...
< 1428867972 733652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :<rdococ> it would be interesting to see a programming language using infinite tape, such that there's an address 'infinity'
< 1428867988 95303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy enough, the interesting part is how you get to infinity
< 1428868023 5651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"^ -- change address to omega^<current address>"
< 1428868036 903397 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2*omega
< 1428868078 864535 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of it like having unboundedly many unbounded tapes - one starts from 1, another starts from omega, another starts from 2omega^3.
< 1428868090 941566 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the real problem is that with no way of going down, the operation amounts to just clearing the tape)
< 1428868120 186686 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could change address to <current>/omega
< 1428868152 117853 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd have omega+1, 3omega, 65omega+23, etc. I don't know about exponents though.
< 1428868171 391272 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, 2d tape
< 1428868176 94455 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bitcoins, I'm somewhat amazed that the hashing rate is not dropping. oh well...)
< 1428868202 171380 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1428868208 969782 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gave me an idea
< 1428868243 478223 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a machine is a feedback system, user --input--> machine --output--> user, why not describe it like that
< 1428868274 935215 :rdococ!561ef816@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.248.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be like an equation or something: y = 3x^2 -- the user puts in a number x, and comes out 3x^2
< 1428868275 573828 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in the moving right 2^63 times while doing nothing scenario, if you're going to admit hashmaps for tape storage you have to allow for optimisation too
< 1428868295 747783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably feasible to do it on a modern machine
< 1428868302 403159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sure, but then you get into sticky details of how to actually write a program that does that
< 1428868306 245480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without it being too big to reasonably store
< 1428868316 211138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it wouldn't be that hard
< 1428868326 730157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need to leave a trail of 0s behind
< 1428868342 202203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically you wil lneed enough memory to store a 63-bit integer where you are, I guess)
< 1428868351 172942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you're doing fancy stuff and it's harder to optimise away
< 1428868359 866198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look. let me be a pedant in peace ;_;
< 1428868385 559076 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, leaving a trail of 0s behind isn't so easy... +[->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>+]
< 1428868405 89360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note loop unrolling for extra efficiency)
< 1428868413 693983 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol extra
< 1428868758 777839 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: how will that stop à 2^63?
< 1428868888 893433 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Pyth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42402&oldid=42290 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10
< 1428868911 202984 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you beta test my interpreter when it's ready?
< 1428869134 985814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: why would it stop?
< 1428869758 671000 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually we may have to be careful, because state-of-the-art optimizing brainfuck compilers will turn sequences of > signs into a single addition instruction.
< 1428869771 26086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hahaha
< 1428869776 975873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they also use finite tapes I think
< 1428869796 858502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: there are some good test programs like mandelbrot.b you can use to test it
< 1428869802 480323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(will probably be sloooow in a bash interpreter)
< 1428869809 631726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are some programs that specifically try to test edge-cases, not sure though
< 1428870185 127421 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if i have [ but no ] ?
< 1428870202 645917 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vice versa
< 1428870225 201438 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the program shouldn't compile
< 1428870244 602002 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're making an interpreter
< 1428870261 463693 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you should probably get a runtime error, then
< 1428870277 12227 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there's some preprocessing before the actual interpreting
< 1428870336 967860 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also implement some non-error behaviour in this case, for instance assume there are an unlimited amount of virtual [ at the beginning of the program and ] at the end, to match the unmatched brackets in the program
< 1428870346 715257 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think any brainfuck interpreter does that
< 1428870368 851653 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1428870370 210313 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1428870423 611583 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows implementations where an extra ] terminates the program
< 1428870449 305187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way is if there is an extra ] then the first extra ] it will treat the rest as input to the program, at the end of the file then it starts reading in the actual input instead.
< 1428870464 726746 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now that I think about it, missing ] might crash the thing.
< 1428870491 586205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the program uses the same input stream then the part after ] is the actual input.)
< 1428870505 657076 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, symmetrically, an extra [ should start the program again
< 1428870637 528401 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
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< 1428870982 407311 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the cells supposed to be chars?
< 1428871004 587263 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me rephrase that: does [ loop if the current value is 256?
< 1428871330 869811 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Folder14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42403&oldid=42398 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-1) 10/* Interpreter */
< 1428871368 117733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: do whatever seems convenient.
< 1428871388 617992 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine either way, just tell me what most other implementations do
< 1428871423 122979 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Originally they were chars, but there are plenty of implementations using int, and some using unbounded natural numbers...
< 1428871480 593829 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428871565 716123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: they are usually 0-255
< 1428871573 585604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or -128 to 127, whichever interpretation you prefer (they are equivalent)
< 1428871583 234055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they usually wrap on overflow and underflow
< 1428871589 833004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though plenty of implementations have bignum cells with no limit
< 1428871601 230189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some rarer ones have 16-bit or 32-bit etc., or 8-bit but under/overflow is an error
< 1428871614 71558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-bit wrapping is the most "classic" though
< 1428871618 857368 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1428871639 418013 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strictest implementation I've seen made decrementing 0 and incrementing 255 errors. (some brainfuck golf competition)
< 1428871646 953004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally if you have 8-bit wrapping cells, a right-infinite tape, and , sets the cell to 0 on EOF, then you should be able to run pretty much any program people have written unless they're weirdos
< 1428871687 132382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're writing a program and want to be really portable and boring, it's probably best to assume that cells are 0-255 and you can't go outside that, and that , either sets to 0 or does no change on EOF
< 1428871696 914917 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eith they idea that this is the least common denominator of virtually all existing implementations)
< 1428871781 578660 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, the three flavors of EOF behavior.
< 1428871792 327489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the third is -1 on EOF)
< 1428871848 100234 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants a 9 bit Brainfuck (so that -1 can be distinguished from 255).
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< 1428872211 681594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, but you can't be portable to both -1 and 0 on EOF, I don't think
< 1428872215 856717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, I guess you can?
< 1428872219 649093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero it and then check for 0 or -1
< 1428872224 691878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course you rule out both 0 and 255 bytes in the input
< 1428872244 924643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the easiest way to loop while not 0 or -1
< 1428872264 39761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[-[+.[-],]]?
< 1428872568 118499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not right
< 1428872589 517790 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too tedious, I think you need auxilliary cells.
< 1428872592 378031 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428872704 42609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, "auxiliary", my old nemesis.
< 1428872767 527925 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: is codualization the same as dualization?
< 1428873301 533906 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you give me a concise hello world or something that prints stuff?
< 1428873333 992760 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++++++ ++++++++++ ++++++++++ ++++++++++ ++++++++++ ++++++++++ +++++ .
< 1428873338 153812 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :should that print A ?
< 1428873368 969391 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it does in my interpreter)
< 1428873457 835674 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i just broke the [ ] but the rest is fine
< 1428873704 505059 :Naprecks!~Naprecks@109.230.236.97 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1428873931 46729 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++[->+++++++<]>... should print three asterisks
< 1428873931 353118 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++[->+++++++<]>... should print three asterisks
< 1428873931 376519 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :***
< 1428873931 381070 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​***
< 1428875264 909229 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints ***
< 1428875267 317740 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :^.^
< 1428875284 471364 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works it works
< 1428875358 264269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have duplicate !bf's? 
< 1428875436 980168 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf [
< 1428875593 214387 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada   http://arin.ga/hpExIX
< 1428875657 128541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf [ better error reporting
< 1428875657 261019 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mismatched [].
< 1428875659 699117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See.
< 1428875672 484918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428875677 125456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    .) printf -v output %o "${tape[cell]}"
< 1428875677 244514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :        printf "\\$output" ;;
< 1428875683 760242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the same as printf %o "${tape[cell]}"?
< 1428875722 793409 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1428875724 953585 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1428875777 878108 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it probably needs to be    printf -v output %o "$(( tape[cell] % 256))" 
< 1428875797 844230 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints the octal in the var "output"
< 1428875807 336098 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the it actually prints it
< 1428875812 964528 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then*
< 1428875836 622001 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf -v output %o 65; printf "\\$output"
< 1428875837 316464 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
< 1428875959 158326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf "\\$(printf %o 65)"  # arguably slightly streamlined
< 1428875963 20325 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
< 1428875992 639524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole go-via-octal-escape thing seems silly, but I can't think of anything better offhand either.
< 1428876040 866344 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :$() is inefficient
< 1428876044 853991 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fork + exec
< 1428876161 383243 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ok so this is fine, i guess? same code as above but i added <> ++++++[->+++++++<]>...
< 1428876161 455477 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :***
< 1428876161 689482 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​***
< 1428876256 728052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: you have a , in there but it doesn't matter for the demonstration
< 1428876268 641737 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1428876270 180041 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1428876272 246504 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1428876276 360401 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't notice it :D
< 1428876291 795697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a danger of bf commenting
< 1428876420 681465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I don't think it's a fork + exec when the argument is a builtin. Compare http://sprunge.us/PQRO
< 1428876429 652328 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it is
< 1428876433 938837 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not exec
< 1428876435 740477 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :still fork
< 1428876459 675575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :forks are cheap, aren't they
< 1428876464 803999 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lol
< 1428876490 694746 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $(var=3; echo $var); echo $var
< 1428876491 450372 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3
< 1428876492 981332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought they did copy-on-write sharing
< 1428876499 39836 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? ^   only once
< 1428876544 125998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There's cheap and then there's cheap.
< 1428876570 674542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will have none of your relativism.
< 1428876580 29132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And okay, there's a clone.)
< 1428876584 469167 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` time for i in {1..1000}; do printf -v output %o 65; printf "\\$output"; done >/dev/null
< 1428876585 215260 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ real	0m0.041s \ user	0m0.100s \ sys	0m0.000s
< 1428876590 651972 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww no time?
< 1428876598 851332 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ( time for i in {1..1000}; do printf -v output %o 65; printf "\\$output"; done >/dev/null ) 2>&1
< 1428876599 545019 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ real	0m0.045s \ user	0m0.000s \ sys	0m0.000s
< 1428876603 437491 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on
< 1428876623 287392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, no time? 
< 1428876653 430270 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` TIMEFORMAT='real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS'; ( time for i in {1..1000}; do printf -v output %o 65; printf "\\$output"; done >/dev/null ) 2>&1
< 1428876654 43557 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real: 0m0.044s, user: 0m0.210s, sys: 0m0.000s
< 1428876656 811506 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1428876660 626161 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid bot
< 1428876665 738552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looked just fine earlier, too.
< 1428876670 429177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure, there were some raw tabs.
< 1428876682 273114 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` TIMEFORMAT='real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS'; ( time for i in {1..1000}; do printf "\\$(printf %o 65)"; done >/dev/null ) 2>&1
< 1428876695 614473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real: 0m12.386s, user: 0m1.980s, sys: 0m9.940s
< 1428876702 463553 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.044s vs 12s ??
< 1428876716 216414 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow fork is cheap
< 1428876726 65454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not quite fair to do that particular comparison on the UML box.
< 1428876743 903295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get 0.022s vs 0.364s locally.
< 1428876762 914647 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it's sooo cheap
< 1428876784 832411 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only 15(?) times as much
< 1428876801 927594 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`time time time
< 1428876802 522570 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: time: not found
< 1428876817 676811 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run type time
< 1428876818 350611 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is a shell keyword
< 1428876823 197190 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmhmm.
< 1428876824 949049 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run time time
< 1428876825 671362 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ real	0m0.000s \ user	0m0.000s \ sys	0m0.000s
< 1428876842 243073 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run time time time
< 1428876842 862412 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ real	0m0.000s \ user	0m0.000s \ sys	0m0.000s
< 1428877059 907258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want an expensive fork, try cygwin
< 1428877060 204443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no COW
< 1428877120 875229 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1428877176 743387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is getting ambiguous readings on his sarcasm meter
< 1428877236 318214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it just uses Ordinary Exec, no?
< 1428877244 5745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin has a slow fork.
< 1428877254 582297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, eXec
< 1428877287 326821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant for izabera 
< 1428877287 854575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be missing a joke.
< 1428877306 172696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare `on` acronym
< 1428877314 225724 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1428877322 531988 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1428877373 223901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now is getting ambiguous readings on his confusion vs. groaning meter
< 1428877475 432265 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i implemented an interpreter in 3 hours
< 1428877477 818502 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a lot?
< 1428877494 29336 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i finished it now and it's purrrfect
< 1428877522 155235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is this brainfuck i'm not up to the logs yet
< 1428877545 616800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly 3 minutes should be enough for a bf interpreter
< 1428877548 458413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs away
< 1428877548 909346 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1428877565 494236 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this was my first try :(
< 1428877580 214463 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even know brainfuck before
< 1428877599 142125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a brainfuck interpreter once, it took me several days i think.
< 1428877614 152828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*possibly* because i made it in Fueue.
< 1428877638 442322 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i know what it is D:
< 1428877648 540213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wiki Fueue
< 1428877648 656571 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fueue
< 1428877707 267129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've ever made one in a normal language.
< 1428877761 228685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i've implemented at least one brainfuck derivative
< 1428877822 928863 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit it doesn't work :(
< 1428877828 129017 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my stupid interpreter
< 1428877828 247612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a pretty slow programmer and would never make a time estimate in earnest btw
< 1428877838 322955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Doesn't the handling of [ leave extra stuff in the 'loop' array when []s are skipped? 
< 1428877860 125980 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... possibly?
< 1428877863 491701 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :got an example?
< 1428877867 662994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn ventilation is making that noise again
< 1428877921 900336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Um. Not really, or at least one where it'd make a difference. But I still think you want to do loop+=(i) only in the else of the if (( tape[cell] % 256 == 0 )) test.
< 1428878074 205420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor izabera
< 1428878088 517129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>+++++[-<.>>[]<]
< 1428878088 570590 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAA
< 1428878092 669880 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eh? :(
< 1428878092 779868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that might be an example.
< 1428878106 173088 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lemme see
< 1428878117 483758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: everyone picking on you :P
< 1428878124 653913 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fizzie is helping
< 1428878165 926495 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it breaks :(
< 1428878186 242338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I assume it's jumping to the opening [ of the [].
< 1428878212 296804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It will be easy to fix.)
< 1428878222 340904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because I just fixed it.)
< 1428878359 673798 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1428878364 885196 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot
< 1428878437 347350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: so when will you do an optimising BF compiler in bash >_>
< 1428878440 540166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be the longest bash script I've ever seen that doesn't actually execute any commands.
< 1428878468 518985 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you talking about that optimizing compiler written in sed?
< 1428878473 636363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess in bash terminology the builtins are still "commands", but you know what I mean.
< 1428878481 408561 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which optimizes x+=5 ?
< 1428878495 280243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: not about one in sed in particular
< 1428878502 29836 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1428878508 703225 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a compiler is out of reach for now :P
< 1428878510 379274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's tons of optimising BF copilers, some of them are quite impressive (can compile a hello world make with loops to just printf("Hello, world!\n");)
< 1428878564 32142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually easier to write a non-optimising BF compiler than an interpreter
< 1428878573 531725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can just turn [ into while (tape[ptr]) or whatever, it's string substitution
< 1428878577 480263 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still trying to fix something, it stops at the first NUL byte it reads with cat :(
< 1428878579 12441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very interesting though
< 1428878582 789631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: that's inherent
< 1428878592 888267 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1428878596 999987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since EOF is 0
< 1428878599 336267 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is cat
< 1428878601 308162 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit
< 1428878603 255714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unfixable
< 1428878606 635776 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1428878610 242538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can set EOF as -1 (255) but then it fails on other binary data
< 1428878616 103298 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1428878618 935809 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1428878624 309673 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's purrfect \o/
< 1428878624 433898 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                |
< 1428878624 434876 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               /<
< 1428878644 576965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's purrfect because it runs cat, right?
< 1428878656 416460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that wasn't your joke because it's a good one and I want to be the one to make it.
< 1428878661 327049 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's purrfect because it runs +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>+++++[-<.>>[]<]
< 1428878673 99155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not look like a cat. I doubt it purrs.
< 1428878679 49458 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :shush :P
< 1428878702 866280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't appreciate my jokes.
< 1428878718 458936 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1428878756 265040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I think you should probably try LostKng.b, it's the standard stress test for brainfuck stuff.
< 1428878769 105129 :llue!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1428878770 839380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> izabera: everyone picking on you :P <-- the bastards!
< 1428878775 880782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does LostKng actually use wrapping?
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< 1428878794 467432 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you link these?
< 1428878808 183230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<fizzie> izabera: I think you should probably try LostKng.b, it's the standard stress test for brainfuck stuff.  -!- llue [~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu] has quit [Quit: That's what she said]" she made recommendations as to what brainfuck programs to try, I guess
< 1428878826 619719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: https://github.com/graue/esofiles/tree/master/brainfuck/src
< 1428878831 834752 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1428878832 681819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that doesn't have lostkng
< 1428878843 973315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And http://web.archive.org/web/20111031121638/http://jonripley.com/i-fiction/games/LostKingdomBF.html for that.
< 1428878853 934193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the other archive is quite nice too.
< 1428878854 228259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://raw.githubusercontent.com/rdebath/LostKingdom/gh-pages/LostKng.b
< 1428878856 862106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1428878857 39279 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that something that takes a while?
< 1428878863 828126 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause my interpreter is _slow_
< 1428878868 706260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LostKng.b shouldn't be too slow
< 1428878873 156105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mandelbrot.b is
< 1428878880 438744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also pretty!
< 1428878881 37176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a biggish program, though.
< 1428878884 467347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two megabytes or so.
< 1428878901 442764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It wasn't written by hand.)
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< 1428879550 397533 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this slow?  https://raw.githubusercontent.com/graue/esofiles/master/brainfuck/src/rot13.b
< 1428879565 760374 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ time echo xyz | ./bf rot13.b 
< 1428879567 314494 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :klm
< 1428879569 246636 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :real: 0m16.023s, user: 0m15.983s, sys: 0m0.013s
< 1428879573 139337 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 16s
< 1428879575 278394 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad
< 1428879963 906170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 seconds to rot-13 one line?
< 1428879964 425352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1428879968 513356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know bash was THAT slow
< 1428879986 413878 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rot13ing only 4 characters XD
< 1428879988 106898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be faster if you compiled to bash and then evalled it
< 1428880034 426530 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it works u_u
< 1428880126 778522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a sincere question!
< 1428880182 323762 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1428880209 968164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't know how bash's interpretation works
< 1428880217 108076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it do any kind of pre-parsing at all?
< 1428880228 837891 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean?
< 1428880292 381432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, does bash parse functions into an AST?
< 1428880312 943681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it store them as strings/lists of tokens and parse/execute them token by token every time you execute a function
< 1428880337 880840 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's parsed when it's read
< 1428880338 475624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it parses into an actual AST or bytecode data structure that can be interpreted more efficiently then I guess compile-and-eval would be faster
< 1428880361 623527 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you basically can't use aliases in functions
< 1428880374 378785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh interesting
< 1428880387 527180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use the aliases you had at the time of parsing, or?
< 1428880388 497086 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliases are expanded when the definition is read, not when it's called
< 1428880393 187457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1428880394 770948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth-y
< 1428880407 916121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know too much about this horrible language :P
< 1428880420 572544 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok-ish
< 1428880459 725543 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather have a faster interpreter but heh
< 1428880464 18795 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean bash's interpreter
< 1428880473 314300 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my bf interpreter :P
< 1428880512 178421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash JIT
< 1428880548 916066 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are errors in the parser...
< 1428880564 794762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kidding, those errors get CVEs :p
< 1428880577 657267 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only those onese
< 1428880594 47794 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean sure, shellshock got famous but there are other errors
< 1428880639 980801 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, ${var[0] i basically can write whatever i want here and bash will never complain}
< 1428880735 117401 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf "%(%H:%M)"
< 1428880735 740041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: printf: warning: `.': invalid time format specification \ bash: line 0: printf: `H': invalid format character \ %(
< 1428880744 872524 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf "%(%H:%M)T"
< 1428880745 956086 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:00
< 1428880756 409627 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf "%(%H:%M and now let's escape a left parentheses \) )T" 
< 1428880757 748898 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: printf: warning: ` ': invalid time format specification \ bash: line 0: printf: `H': invalid format character \ %(
< 1428880786 15639 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one shouldn't produce an error but bash basically shuts its brain in %()T
< 1428880791 731745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1428880897 168851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's no spec other than bash itself, right
< 1428880901 436401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess anything it does is okay by definition
< 1428880911 228018 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are specs for posix sh
< 1428880947 475641 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash does a good job about those :)
< 1428880968 410851 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad posix sh sucks
< 1428880991 706492 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just throw a link in here for you to star <.<   https://github.com/izabera/bf
< 1428881134 645023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't logged into github in, like, years.
< 1428881140 848955 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1428881140 906946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1428881209 964481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you even write a bf interpreter in pure posix sh?
< 1428881214 592190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without anything that can be a non-builtin
< 1428881237 487529 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :posix sh has no arrays other than the positional parameters
< 1428881247 774462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could store the tape in a string if you could mangle the format enough, I guess?
< 1428881259 440930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just use positional parameters. there's probably some rather low guaranteed limit on those though
< 1428881304 62200 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing a line character by character is painful...
< 1428881342 467093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nobody said it would be easy >_>
< 1428881357 728482 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1428881387 277220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your ] jump back to the [ or the instruction after the [?
< 1428881401 53137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the former, then I guess it'd be wasting time looking for the ] every iteration? and that could explain why rot13 was so slow
< 1428881436 894555 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o lemme try
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< 1428881460 516748 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no <.<
< 1428881469 547404 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm already jumping after the [  :(
< 1428881542 961054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1428881548 413918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose bash has a profiler :p
< 1428881561 287052 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a "debugger"
< 1428881575 975481 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no profilers yet i'm afraid
< 1428881614 918679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: your interpreter doesn't do - on 0 -> 255
< 1428881617 52619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(underflow wraparound)
< 1428881618 750021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is common
< 1428881645 384129 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1428881647 412690 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does
< 1428881652 750418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm
< 1428881653 952319 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1428881655 572600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay but it doesn't support -- on 0
< 1428881655 698469 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't
< 1428881660 347307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's probably easiesr to store the cells pre-moduloed; I think your way will also break once you exceed bash's numerical limts?)
< 1428881672 813198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in just do x = (x +- 1) % 256 for both)
< 1428881723 633448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*easier
< 1428881736 611898 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that $(( -1 % 256 )) == -1
< 1428881738 216247 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1428881750 137234 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll just add 256 before the modulus
< 1428881783 494835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, yeah, that's annoying
< 1428881788 705500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also condition on 0 and 255 which might be easier
< 1428881862 530916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit that ${INTEGERCELLS-% 256} is cute though
< 1428881870 777134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTEGERCELLS="* 2" ...
< 1428881886 676262 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :# set it to an empty value if it's set to avoid messing with the math expansion
< 1428881886 917373 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1428881888 254170 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if [[ $INTEGERCELLS ]]; then INTEGERCELLS= ; fi
< 1428881894 871025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cheating :p
< 1428881900 961250 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cheating XD
< 1428881904 671151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you want an extensible program??
< 1428881917 124576 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that way XD
< 1428881922 877148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use INTEGERCELLS to implement, like, boolfuck :P
< 1428881934 381567 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is boolfuck
< 1428881945 276080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like brainfuck with a tape of bools
< 1428881952 652200 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1428881959 605028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "the obvious thing", modulo IO being a bit of a fuss since it's bitwise
< 1428881960 636398 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sound too useful
< 1428881966 96262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ and - get merged into a flip operation
< 1428882310 507278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: if you do +, say, 2^32 + 1 times, does it still work with your implementation?
< 1428882313 637555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like does bash have bignums
< 1428882318 380908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not then it could break with long-running programs
< 1428882330 40503 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash has 64 bit ints
< 1428882337 181941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably fine then :p
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< 1428886801 645749 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 hezzo38. verily, 3-player mahjong is a completely different game from regular riichi.
< 1428886801 686094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1428887595 858738 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1428887595 898139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 130100Z 23007KT 15SM FEW240 11/01 A3018 RMK CI1 CI TR SLP222
< 1428887617 128494 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hellørjan. please confirm that you see 11/01 as well.
< 1428887811 307736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE DEA^W NO WAIT, IT'S JUST 11/01
< 1428887827 47066 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY TDH
< 1428887853 871479 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar cyyz
< 1428887853 882867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 130100Z 19004KT 15SM FEW220 14/00 A3017 RMK CI2 SLP219
< 1428887889 464390 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it's a bit warmer up by the airport
< 1428887991 243064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1428887991 527180 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 130050Z 27017KT 9999 FEW019 BKN033 04/01 Q1004 RMK WIND 670FT 28017KT
< 1428888004 606662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is the middle of the night..
< 1428888032 727363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there isn't anything in there that tells timezone is there
< 1428888044 571728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess planes always use UTC anyway
< 1428888052 347288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the sane ones.
< 1428888061 160302 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 2122 hrs local time in Tronto
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< 1428888074 709706 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Tr/tor/
< 1428888077 303882 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 00:50:00+0000.
< 1428888080 337268 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: Tronno.
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< 1428888144 754399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ok i don't see those numbers up in the metar
< 1428888163 244787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :queboily
< 1428888191 178180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Montro.
< 1428888222 801505 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they are grouped as 130050Z. 13 is the 13th of the month. 00h, 50m, Z for Zulu time.
< 1428888225 372843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weather in montorondheim
< 1428888244 119032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but Zulu time is UTC
< 1428888249 415050 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could get used to living in Montorondheim.
< 1428888261 763705 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. therefor, 00:50:00:+0000.
< 1428888267 875386 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/or/ore/
< 1428888288 574391 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that.
< 1428888296 90809 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is plagued by typo spirits...
< 1428888316 150884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my reason for timezone interest was to tell whether it's day or night, so converting to UTC isn't very helpful.
< 1428888379 102836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded about that "why changing to one timezone for the world is stupid" essay
< 1428888449 998861 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to remember ENVA is somewhere in Norway, and so it's +0100.
< 1428888459 329178 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or whatever timezone Norway is in.)
< 1428888463 329101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm too many google hits
< 1428888470 699945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently +0200
< 1428888477 743543 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. DST.
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< 1428890259 270801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> I don't think there's a uniqueness requirement for esolang names. <-- * briefly considers inventing a language named "brainfuck"
< 1428890377 788044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 had that idea but I think it was going to be Brainfuck with a capital b
< 1428890387 663790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should that be capital B
< 1428890392 532593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should that B
< 1428890670 993971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION briefly considers inventing a language named "brаinfuсk"
< 1428890826 482024 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :脳遣
< 1428890850 471258 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what.
< 1428890864 178432 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1428890890 655424 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should have phonecian unification
< 1428890911 109874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :脳遣土
< 1428890968 342280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: that's going to be hard with the latin alphabet having several letters that descend from the same phonecian one
< 1428890987 878314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cg, ij, uvy
< 1428891010 560354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well that's same in greek, i'm not sure about phonecian proper)
< 1428891018 414428 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, true, but we can at least unify the ones that look the same
< 1428891175 437159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :look the same but entirely different meanings?
< 1428891229 521771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or look the same in one case but not the other, like omicron
< 1428891232 367585 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can at LEAST a and alpha and cyrillic a
< 1428891238 413837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait not omicron
< 1428891243 357190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mu and nu
< 1428891277 914481 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And unify cyrillic sha with hebrew shin
< 1428891438 276018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<orin> God damn it those are opening quotes not... agh <-- you could say HackEgo ... `Triggered
< 1428891463 8627 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arabic doesn't really look at all like phonecian
< 1428891474 315294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :phunny that
< 1428891518 218244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that phonecian descendants also include indic scripts afaik
< 1428891579 638950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't even look at all like each _other_ either
< 1428891655 247924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of the alphabet was only invented once.  although hangul probably didn't borrow much of the forms.
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< 1428891723 309334 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hangul didn't borrow any of the forms -- it cribbed from Chinese script rather than an alphabet.
< 1428891733 916925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1428891813 420179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to put on pizza
< 1428891925 951504 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :katakana and hiragana are literally just very lazily written versions of chinese characters that sort of sounded correct
< 1428891985 713554 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Hiragana_origin.svg
< 1428892047 40968 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compartively I think hangul is more creative
< 1428892082 487850 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. Hangul was designed, kana evolved.
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< 1428894182 794482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yum pepperoni and pineapple
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< 1428896040 753675 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/graue/esofiles/blob/master/brainfuck/src/factor.b   using this one
< 1428896046 684324 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ time bf factor.b <<< 42
< 1428896048 597659 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :42: 2 3 7
< 1428896050 402147 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :real: 0m51.399s, user: 0m51.213s, sys: 0m0.107s
< 1428896058 993187 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 51s \o/
< 1428896059 192 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69           |
< 1428896059 90916 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          /<
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< 1428897630 524808 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 51
< 1428897631 238847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :51: 3 17
< 1428897668 472563 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^factor 51
< 1428897691 17544 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot 51
< 1428897691 500315 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that would never be that clever... ( at least they have planet.lisp.org pointed over to it. i know we are talking about
< 1428897744 631165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least.
< 1428897804 618660 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let f(n) be the number of steps used by factor.b to factor n
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< 1428899000 616607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: that's kind of impressive when it takes so long to even rot13
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< 1428900026 82457 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`max factor
< 1428900026 123254 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: max: not found
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< 1428900431 353818 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a idea, make up the All The Tropes Card Game; if you collect all of the tropes then you win.
< 1428900439 914070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages-loud
< 1428900439 914783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 3h 47m 22s ago: hezzo38. verily, 3-player mahjong is a completely different game from regular riichi.
< 1428900461 601610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know 3-players game uses different rules
< 1428900483 605475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I still to prefer to play such game using the rules of 4-players game.
< 1428900728 930376 :Hijiri!~oneechan@2602:306:b85c:4820:3927:5438:b05a:ed4f PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a program I can use to play net riichi mahjong in freedom
< 1428901250 436619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1428901320 520596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I also want to play Washizu mahjong
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< 1428907275 614789 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :massive speed up
< 1428907278 265720 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ time bf factor.b <<< 42
< 1428907280 180065 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :42: 2 3 7
< 1428907282 212051 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :real: 0m12.853s, user: 0m12.713s, sys: 0m0.120s
< 1428907291 10104 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ time echo hello world | bf examples/rot13.b
< 1428907293 157240 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :uryyb jbeyq
< 1428907295 168909 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :real: 0m2.833s, user: 0m2.817s, sys: 0m0.010s
< 1428907513 351601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you change?
< 1428907521 564105 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i precomputed the jumps
< 1428907556 214609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... because in [a[b]c] you look for the ] after the b when hitting its [
< 1428907561 443690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every iteration of the a[b]c loop
< 1428907574 29369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel silly for not realising that before
< 1428907579 481762 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1428907589 635081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed there wasn't any overhead compared to preparsing
< 1428907605 988563 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning
< 1428907644 856500 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now the rot13 has about 2s starting overhead, and it prints several characters per second...  which is much better than the my first version that took about 5s per letter
< 1428907680 997665 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try mandelbrot *_*
< 1428907697 8208 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it take ages?
< 1428907750 130000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes line by line
< 1428907757 372297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with variable speed I think
< 1428907777 441238 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at elliott 
< 1428907791 484195 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1428907812 833113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in a programming channel, what do you expect? >_>
< 1428908052 571770 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/izabera/bf/blob/master/bf   tadaaa!
< 1428908058 604622 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :harder! better! faster! stronger!
< 1428908152 45437 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
< 1428908156 564701 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, izabera: fine, I'll pick a better nick
< 1428908177 264407 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o
< 1428908254 205491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: corollary: your work is never over. you have to improve this interpreter for the rest of eternity
< 1428908283 376049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter of the damned
< 1428908307 303983 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :D
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< 1428911557 149980 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ time bf examples/factor.b  <<< 42
< 1428911564 122680 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :42: 2 3 7
< 1428911564 665853 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :real: 0m4.411s, user: 0m4.313s, sys: 0m0.090s
< 1428911578 321604 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently computing the length of the program each time is stupid and slow <.<
< 1428912123 609822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about that, whether it'd make a difference.
< 1428912353 196864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Collapsing repeated instructions into one is also pretty common, I think even with interpreters. fungot does that, for example.
< 1428912353 506458 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: other than jpegtopnm and convert, are there any frontends for scheme which have a pleasant time!!
< 1428912385 552325 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one weird reply
< 1428912403 986655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I didn't even know those were frontends for Scheme.
< 1428912404 126807 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't see how such artificial restrictions can help in learning. use what you want
< 1428912416 678795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that one sounds like a verbatim quote.
< 1428912425 580554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Try to be a little more original, okay? 
< 1428912425 636575 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and on providing unreadably succinct names for the srfi-33 ones, they were using the platypus book and using c++. the prof seems to be
< 1428912453 506881 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: seems to be what?
< 1428912453 682919 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ( procedure)'. how do i, there... expr puts value of expr there... expr puts value of expr and output it
< 1428912485 604606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's confused.
< 1428912539 216462 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hurt itself in confusion
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< 1428915931 941177 :roman2!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You should try IronScheme.
< 1428915932 629784 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :roman2: how tremendously boring you, perhaps. not that cross compiling isn't great, but i'm going to
< 1428915962 857892 :roman2!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help, fungot is going to cross compile something.
< 1428915963 83587 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :roman2: so do i. i was new, stairway to heaven sucks. get vmware. or just start up the script again, it creates a time loop somewhere
< 1428916019 244602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also going to create a time loop. I'm worried.
< 1428916112 743768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously fungot is getting tired of waiting for ais523 to implement feather so has decided to do it emself.
< 1428916112 791057 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do i get the latest pika without wasting effort with arch? i've been using it
< 1428916172 734818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i don't know.
< 1428916172 890677 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's no reason not to try. patenting can't be the value of ( list)
< 1428916205 959408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: the value of list i nil, which is about the same as patenting.
< 1428916206 305693 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would make me less confused, he just assembles all the bits in the message
< 1428916210 259938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is
< 1428916221 859193 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBBBBBBBCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCDDDDDDDDDEGFFEEEEDDDDDDCCCCCCCCCBBBBB    <- output after 25 minutes of mandelbrot.b
< 1428916223 697765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of (list)
< 1428916424 193834 :roman2!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:ESOSC
< 1428916424 551305 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay first line
< 1428916431 943387 :roman2!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, Taneb: There's some work to do
< 1428916433 203856 :roman2!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentely
< 1428916435 668136 :roman2!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :mroman
< 1428916446 961819 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 47 more to go
< 1428916448 825317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1428916449 376974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 130850Z 30017KT 9999 4000E -SN FEW005 SCT010CB BKN020 01/00 Q1012 TEMPO 1500 SHSNRA VV008 RMK WIND 670FT 31028KT
< 1428916455 711194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNOW
< 1428916490 483854 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: are you making a bf interpreter? :)
< 1428916509 773494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf weather
< 1428916511 844195 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did
< 1428916520 271052 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: https://github.com/izabera/bf/blob/master/bf
< 1428916522 912243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428916597 63127 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh, bfsh.
< 1428916625 31926 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: it might be actually faster to translate bf into (say) awk script and let awk to interpret that.
< 1428916646 176307 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's the fun
< 1428916666 947543 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making a transpiler in bash?
< 1428916667 685996 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1428916674 944659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't the point to use only shell builtins
< 1428916686 740391 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a transpiler? o_o
< 1428916692 748394 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, of course.
< 1428916702 587947 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's the intention that'd be fien
< 1428916757 863275 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a compiler that translates to another language
< 1428916761 299481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like regular compilers do
< 1428916795 31373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but assumingly transpilers compile to a same generation language rather than a lower generation language :)
< 1428916814 210741 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1428916858 7875 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A source-to-source compiler translates between programming languages that operate at approximately the same level of abstraction, while a traditional compiler translates from a higher level programming language to a lower level programming language."
< 1428916861 180586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just keep piling on
< 1428916868 34342 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP says the same thing about that.
< 1428916881 188270 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1428916884 672920 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically bf -> asm is transpiling
< 1428916887 739112 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not compiling
< 1428916888 283415 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1428916892 593270 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably beven uppiling I'd say
< 1428916895 781225 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you translate upwards
< 1428916903 203284 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :from low level to high level
< 1428916923 405873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf -> c is even worse
< 1428916927 101150 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not compiling nor transpiling
< 1428916958 303268 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypertranspiling and hypotranspiling
< 1428916975 430067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't mix greek and latin hth
< 1428916987 709496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :super or sub, although i don't think they quite fit
< 1428917034 781632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course transpiling is probably a portmanteau anyway
< 1428917095 892115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh the original meaning of "compile" is "plunder, pillage, rob, steal"
< 1428917103 543427 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is
< 1428917109 290092 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :With all the software pirates out there.
< 1428917157 319022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :POGAACK?
< 1428917157 422146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dispiling. (Compare converge/diverge.)
< 1428917157 589092 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf.
< 1428917305 936761 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody added a non existing File to pogaack
< 1428917515 399725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it should clearly be "depiling".
< 1428917526 914752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/depilo#Latin
< 1428917609 778034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps "defiling".
< 1428917694 121624 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1428917701 994109 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :compilation -> decompilation
< 1428917706 913547 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :depiliation -> dedepilation?
< 1428917746 762155 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where dedepilation = transpilation)?
< 1428917818 193815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dilapidation.
< 1428917827 777079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. dilapidate -- (bring into a condition of decay or partial ruin by neglect or misuse)
< 1428917831 231332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that sounds about right.
< 1428918033 642559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1428918040 508582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dilapidated lots of coding projects.
< 1428918050 53857 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque is pretty much dilapidating.
< 1428918336 636585 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Does fizzie dilapidate you?
< 1428918336 752949 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you figured it out before there were any interesting english-speaking scheme or lisp
< 1428918352 665424 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I figured it out before everybody.
< 1428918357 919464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented Lisp!
< 1428918376 626661 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly to generate fancy looking passwords.
< 1428918415 338038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to admit I'm quilty of some amount of neglect there.
< 1428919675 456516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Dilapitated depilators | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
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< 1428920884 705827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42404&oldid=42370 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+14) 10
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< 1428925072 454552 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg it only printed 4 lines so far of that mandelbrot set
< 1428925080 152718 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm stopping it -_-
< 1428925169 302789 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could try to optimize the bf code...
< 1428925830 957343 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428926103 74703 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :better optimize the optimizer
< 1428926111 946232 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has more value to the community :)
< 1428926124 288243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but then you risk singularity
< 1428926216 477065 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428926292 293909 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Would you risk the singularity?
< 1428926292 775698 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if you're getting signatures for keeping strip clubs open. heh.) are created before those variables are indeed bound, so that gambit can start implementing it? :d
< 1428926328 140953 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it like strip clubs?
< 1428926463 383048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fungot may be planning something with blackjack and hookers
< 1428926463 516896 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: " and")
< 1428926512 274095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i am not sure what you mean by putting "and" in scare quotes, but i'm sure it's disturbing.
< 1428926512 515432 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as for the thing to all three servers at once? :) i don't know why
< 1428927343 201610 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :atriq
< 1428927360 102689 :atriq!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :Taneb
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< 1428928143 609926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42409&oldid=42391 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+96) 10/* Hello, World! */
< 1428928211 945335 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42410&oldid=42409 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+36) 10/* Hello, World! */
< 1428928262 140560 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42411&oldid=42410 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+18) 10/* Hello, World! */
< 1428928377 312867 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42412&oldid=42411 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+16) 10/* Concatenate string program */
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< 1428928577 373325 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42413&oldid=42412 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+38) 10/* VandalismScript */
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< 1428928785 668160 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose an esolang where everything outside /* */ is a comment
< 1428928791 381793 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything inside is code.
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< 1428928843 285212 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you #define */ ?
< 1428928859 353850 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define /* */ #define */ /*
< 1428928862 455122 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1428928909 568776 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
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< 1428929378 537533 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be fun to have regex defines.
< 1428929407 140019 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42418 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+452) 10Created page with "== Example == === [[Cat program|Concatenate string program]] ===   ${[[Cat program|cat]]:}  === [[Hello, world!|Hello, World!]] === A "[[Hello, world!|Hello, World!]]" program..."
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< 1428929553 999028 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ time bf mandelbrot.b
< 1428929555 814051 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBBBBBBBCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCDDDDDDDDDEGFFEEEEDDDDDDCCCCCCCCCBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
< 1428929557 629520 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBBBBBCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCDDDDDDDDDDEEEFGIIGFFEEEDDDDDDDDCCCCCCCCCBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
< 1428929560 701207 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBBBBCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCDDDDDDDDDDDDEEEEFFFI KHGGGHGEDDDDDDDDDCCCCCCCCCBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
< 1428929561 678236 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBBCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCDDDDDDDDDDDDDDEEEEEFFGHIMTKLZOGFEEDDDDDDDDDCCCCCCCCCBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
< 1428929566 844189 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCDDDDDDDDDDDDDDEEEEEEFGGHHIKPPKIHGFFEEEDDDDDDDDDCCCCCCCCCCBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
< 1428929569 116293 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDEEEEEEFFGHIJKS  X KHHGFEEEEEDD^C
< 1428929570 288774 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :real: 244m24.955s, user: 237m42.815s, sys: 6m13.283s
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< 1428929576 266119 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :whops... too long
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< 1428931075 944177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always nice to have example programs without documentation
< 1428931105 71443 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :source code == documentation ^^
< 1428931115 977543 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1428931120 421350 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe where you live :)
< 1428931138 340311 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1428931140 311200 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :here up in the mountains where we eat cheese and chocolate and nothing else we like documentation alot.
< 1428931161 229959 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading documentation and eating Fondue at the same time is a very recreational activity.
< 1428931171 87694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and delicous.
< 1428931195 455339 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although!
< 1428931202 433980 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to use kvirc as my irc client
< 1428931203 608119 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are projects who on purpose don't document very much
< 1428931218 651889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order for nobody to use it but still be able to claim it as open-source :D
< 1428931229 209016 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were two variables that apparently had the same value
< 1428931234 885334 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also to make more money off support
< 1428931241 299251 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1428931272 317295 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the docs just said   VAR1: This prints the value of VAR1       VAR2: This prints the value of VAR2
< 1428931272 647970 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i asked in #kvirc
< 1428931277 703843 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they asked  "did you read the docs?"
< 1428931287 347424 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said yes ofc and quoted that
< 1428931295 373172 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they asked  "did you read the code?"
< 1428931298 580863 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1428931309 216393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTFC - Read the fucking code.
< 1428931317 846694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also real time french clock.
< 1428931327 603706 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1428931331 183783 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fun
< 1428931424 524724 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :would an hour or so be an ok time to print that mandelbrot set? <.<
< 1428931444 503052 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can probably get close to that
< 1428931574 280084 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it having 6m of sys time btw?
< 1428931601 68540 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of 244m it's not much
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< 1428935985 627418 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thestack.com/cornell-justin-cheng-troll-behavior-130415 whoot
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< 1428936818 903619 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good old trolley problem
< 1428936834 465997 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd still not flick any switches.
< 1428936844 724159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I had a little bit more motivation than just to safe five people.
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< 1428937120 432024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the correct answer to that to try to derail the train by flicking the switch with precise timing? or yell at the groups of people who would be hit to get out of the way?
< 1428937145 690208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derail the train, killing everyone on it.
< 1428937182 632285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: One thing I was wondering was whether it'd be faster to blow out the program into an array, in case the substring expansion is slow. Looking up an instruction is something that's done quite often.
< 1428937191 739673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought the way it's normally set up, everyone aboard the train is doomed anyway
< 1428937201 509648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also IIRC train derailments are often survivable?
< 1428937203 250162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be, to both.
< 1428937208 679343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also some fun third options which need more space on the railway but would be much more effective
< 1428937216 828452 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both sound true.
< 1428937227 737631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as "use something flimsy and mechanic to short the rails together in front of the rain"
< 1428937241 740891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will end up indirectly engaging the emergency brakes unless people go to a lot of trouble to override them
< 1428937279 378209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a mechanical way to engage the brakes by putting some sort of post next to the train so that it hits a brake engagement lever as the train goes past, but I don't know the details
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< 1428937833 140525 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42428&oldid=42406 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+78) 10Merged user page with esolang list
< 1428938487 204900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: test
< 1428938487 912921 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we hates them, they need to make fnord the heap that much more left :p
< 1428938563 468107 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Passed.
< 1428938577 21957 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dubious
< 1428938577 913190 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: less hateful, please?
< 1428938577 917847 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ( if you need them at the corner
< 1428938609 291669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: I just made an assertion that Freenode has an IRC bot written in Befunge online right now
< 1428938619 941231 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, You won, Man!
< 1428938621 267849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pinging fungot was the easiest way to see whether it was online
< 1428938621 709711 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: toddfleming i am not wearing warm clothes therefore the thermostat should be set to....
< 1428938694 626038 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like an interesting assertion to make
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< 1428938792 468672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: someone else was talking about JavaScript's networking abilities
< 1428938804 507572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried to pick an example of a language that might be even worse at networking than JavaScript
< 1428938810 762237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ended up picking the worst possible esolang to make the point
< 1428938840 455204 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1428938856 804376 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: At the very _Least_, it was not Malbolge.  B-)
< 1428938879 49700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, malbolge is bad at networking
< 1428938886 775224 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
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< 1428939008 207673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think brainfuck would have been the obvious choice: it's the "standard" esolang, and is also pretty bad at ("innate") networking. The wire-stdin/out-to-netcat kind of things are arguable.
< 1428939056 262060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck almost certainly has more attempted OS-communication libraries than any other esolang
< 1428939266 825030 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean, like, C?
< 1428939298 175334 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything that does I/O is Standard-Stuff, not C-Stuff…
< 1428939322 632304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like C except if you restrict it to esolangs
< 1428939332 15229 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good.
< 1428939341 731850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually BF probably is the best answer to the question "what is the C of esolangs?"
< 1428939355 530264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :low-level, imperative, widely used, imitated a huge amount in ways that don't really improve on the original
< 1428939358 125140 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is not it esoteric too in the IOCCC and Places?
< 1428939375 824202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOCCC can be thought of as an eso dialect of C, I guess
< 1428939448 921093 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good.
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< 1428939603 356585 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has C been imitated that much?
< 1428939634 589413 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not in a syntactic sense (to which the answer is obviously "yes")
< 1428939649 545972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you clearly don't work in the research compiler community ;-)
< 1428939654 721027 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1428939656 188031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid C derivatives are pretty much our stupid BF derivative equivalent
< 1428939657 698892 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1428939777 195431 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :C spawned a whole family of syntax
< 1428939800 528197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C's syntax wasn't exactly new at the time, though
< 1428939807 822790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically BCPL with types and more sensible keywords
< 1428939873 434471 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, C is where all the other languages got it from though
< 1428939874 545013 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod*
< 1428940021 115172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what's the best way to teach people programming if they were expert programmers like 30 years ago, have stopped programming since, and now they ask you questions like "is it like Fortran, or like Algol?" and don't seem to understand why you'd use abstraction?
< 1428940036 207248 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah.
< 1428940115 200584 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it did, but most of the languages borrowing its syntax are very far from it semantically I think
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< 1428940136 607156 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least among more popular languages
< 1428940226 874786 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Well, I did say syntax, not semantics ;)
< 1428940237 455408 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1428940449 805334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with research compilers, people often don't bother to have a syntax at all until later
< 1428940453 870021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start off by writing parse trees manually
< 1428940591 470349 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ow.
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< 1428940605 408297 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hated UML
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< 1428941307 510412 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i did that already
< 1428941325 372906 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it turs out the expansion _was_ slow when the locale was involved
< 1428941342 683011 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :with LANG=C it doesn't make any noticeable difference
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< 1428943005 367759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably counting UTF-8 characters from the start of the string each time with the locale on, then.
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< 1428943480 314306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:~ATH14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42429 5* 03Texenox 5* (+266) 10Created page with "== Wow. == I am absolutely impressed. Usually, I tend to not be such a frequent editor, but I'm absolutely stunned with how this article has come along. Thank you, Vriskanon. ..."
< 1428943787 627190 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Texenox14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42430 5* 03Texenox 5* (+238) 10Created page with "Texenox is just some young bellend who enjoys the concept of coding. He has started the page relating to the fictional programming language [[~ATH]], but had then left it with..."
< 1428943910 887266 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07State14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42431 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+728) 10Created page with "{{stub}} My iPad battery is running out, so I am in a rush to get to my PC. Please don't delete this if it is unfinished.<br /> The '''State programming language''' is an esot..."
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< 1428946732 617585 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/hGSc  ... bullshit bingo aside, I wonder what they mean by "non-parseable notations"
< 1428947046 578972 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on some kind of ethereal tokens inaccessible to our plane?
< 1428947174 440622 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07State14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42432&oldid=42431 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+251) 10Updated page
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< 1428950542 145288 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07State14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42433&oldid=42432 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-16) 10
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< 1428950868 576229 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42434&oldid=42428 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-53) 10New language... although I might have rushed it
< 1428951112 845116 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have Text, Folder, what now? Website?
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< 1428951466 458275 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1428951474 922307 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text, Folder, the next thing would be Picture!
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< 1428952682 403911 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Floater14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42435&oldid=39156 5* 034D enthusiast 5* (+8) 10/* Configuration */ reduced the ambiguity of the definition of angbase
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< 1428953905 466487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another kind is one to use RDF graphs as the input format. (A RDF graph is a directed graph where edges are labeled with URIs, and nodes are optionally labeled with URIs; each labeled node has a different label. A node can also be a literal which is a pair consisting of a string and a URI; a literal is not allowed to have any edges leading from it.)
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< 1428953983 615750 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a language in mind
< 1428953988 848520 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing programs in it would be easy
< 1428954005 61664 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreting the easy subset of the language would be easy
< 1428954026 145602 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the language would be huge with many equivalent symbols 
< 1428954054 313671 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and interpreting/compiling all of it would take a lot of time
< 1428954060 941101 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :would this be interesting?
< 1428954151 753108 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each possible symbol, it's (relatively) easy to understand what it does
< 1428954187 470686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1428954193 669572 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1428954201 376097 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take a rubik's cube
< 1428954234 48800 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :translate brainfuck like this    , 1 . 2 + 3 - 4 [ 5 ] 6 > 7 < 8
< 1428954251 652562 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :now any state of the cube has a minimum number of moves required to solve it
< 1428954269 814052 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :any state that is solvable in 1 move is mapped to ,
< 1428954275 534121 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :any state that is solvable in 2 moves is mapped to .
< 1428954279 327803 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1428954289 497893 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 4.3 * 10^19 possible states
< 1428954305 749958 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :any state out of that [1-8] range is a comment
< 1428954344 558821 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to interpret it, you actually have to solve each state in the minimum number of moves
< 1428954350 657445 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is np-complete
< 1428954383 151246 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing programs otoh is relatively easy, just identify 8 states and use those
< 1428954468 929385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK now I can see how you mean.
< 1428954520 789188 :zadock!~zadock@5-13-165-241.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428954539 233443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still if the interpreter proves that you need at least nine moves to solve it, it doesn't have to try to solve it or figure out exactly how much, since it is treated as a comment.
< 1428954551 760128 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1428954557 409044 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not so easy tho
< 1428954590 701280 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, but still it can use such a shortcut
< 1428954760 843041 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think of an efficient way to do it
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< 1428954812 435562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either; it is just one kind of idea.
< 1428955185 57344 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess one could do something like that for any np-complete problem...
< 1428955208 582415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute idea
< 1428955234 453969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are languages that are hard to write but easy to interpret, but I don't think I've seen the other way around before
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< 1428959872 910996 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently austria is actually spelled with a o
< 1428959902 678128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> I think there are languages that are hard to write but easy to interpret, but I don't think I've seen the other way around before
< 1428959908 452528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :eodermdrome springs to mind
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< 1428960512 402157 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, what about natural language computing. Natural languages are about as easy as possible for humans, but extremely hard for computers to interpret
< 1428960563 199814 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428960608 62548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe the Osmosian Order of Plain English Programmers would disagree.
< 1428960643 7769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, they don't exactly claim it's hard to interpret.)
< 1428960654 758723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just wanted to bring them up.)
< 1428960763 107610 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there a project somewhere with an artificial pronouncable language that was basically prolog?
< 1428960861 468469 :HMC_A_!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1428960893 323660 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, lojban, maybe?
< 1428960975 171629 :HMC_A!~motocoin@37.153.97.65 QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe
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< 1428961091 275640 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that was it, I read a page somewhere about using it for programming but I can't find it now
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< 1428961919 538060 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: eodermdrome currently has more interpreters than programs
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< 1428962018 979300 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fairly sure there exist joke languages which are easy to write in but hard to interpret
< 1428962031 278640 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, what about Banana Scheme or something
< 1428962055 162577 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you consider smtlib language as a programming language then that probably qualifies
< 1428962116 566712 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that vein, HTML5 probably qualifies
< 1428962145 58735 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4c6f4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1428962315 240891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, what, someone actually wrote one?
< 1428962380 972924 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainf
< 1428962389 777113 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not easy to write in either
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< 1428963239 637622 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
< 1428963250 513426 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1428963250 822263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 132200Z 15015G21KT 30SM FEW110 FEW180 OVC240 21/04 A2986 RMK AC1AC1CI7 AC TR SLP110 DENSITY ALT 800FT
< 1428963271 200803 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1428963298 874935 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program can be built to solve a problem. why not just tell the computer the problem?
< 1428963311 972056 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, boilyphone 
< 1428963317 531080 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem somewhat mobile
< 1428963322 958302 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle!
< 1428963365 712981 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, on my phone. Waiting for a friend, then eat then Douteux.
< 1428963373 521428 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you up to?
< 1428963397 664101 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to revise Linear Algebra
< 1428963400 312343 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is warmly disturbed by the weather.
< 1428963409 271243 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! Lucky!
< 1428963563 142470 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's possible to create a turing complete programming language with one instruction & one parameter.
< 1428963682 947473 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make one with a single parameterless primitve
< 1428963695 992205 :Hijiri!~oneechan@137.110.81.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do combinator calculi count as programming languages
< 1428963696 414584 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1428963700 135134 :boilyphone!~androirc@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MOBILE CHICKEN
< 1428963704 544293 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything does
< 1428963719 173565 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combinatory_logic#One-point_basis
< 1428963727 461889 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use it to program, or communicate problems, solutions and instructions to a machine
< 1428963738 26801 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i'm sure is what Hijiri has in mind
< 1428963746 631927 :Hijiri!~oneechan@137.110.81.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there is a turing complete 1-combinator calculus
< 1428963771 15904 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what such a thing means
< 1428963800 547834 :Hijiri!~oneechan@137.110.81.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was thinking about
< 1428963818 874345 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
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< 1428964113 682858 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a programming language you can use right now...
< 1428964141 799278 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike its unintentional brother Folders
< 1428964256 811503 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what is the computational class of Text?
< 1428964327 97574 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hmm
< 1428964419 778099 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will go to sleep now
< 1428964421 580558 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight!
< 1428964428 472829 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night
< 1428964815 749790 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dilapitated? Isn't that "delapidated"? (from lapis, latin for stone, meaning when stones are fallen out of a wall)
< 1428964829 278832 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1428964874 654692 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a misspelling, don't lose your head over it.
< 1428964892 112484 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I also misspelled it
< 1428964911 7205 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually "dilapidated"
< 1428964975 896601 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what happens when you don't have a phonemic orthography
< 1428965026 714542 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42436&oldid=42427 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+26) 10/* Example */
< 1428965520 651641 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42437&oldid=42436 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+55) 10/* interpreter */
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< 1428965615 637822 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what.. hm
< 1428965683 839595 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one-point basis in combinatory logic hinges on being able to represent the expression as a tree (using parenheses), right?
< 1428965764 511854 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's source representation isn't just a list
< 1428965772 576208 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :its*
< 1428965791 102985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but with a linear representation you can make do with two
< 1428965791 156961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.westpoint.edu/eecs/SiteAssets/SitePages/Faculty%20Publication%20Documents/Okasaki/jfp03flat.pdf
< 1428966263 38832 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the story is a nice touch
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< 1428966445 506469 :rdococ!95fe38a7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.56.167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feeling lonely
< 1428966763 535073 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat
< 1428967474 812358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that just sounds mean out of context :P
< 1428967521 742343 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops.. yeah, you're right
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< 1428968211 390642 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes me want to use a client like Microsoft Comic Chat to take screenshots and pretend they're panels of Jerkcity.
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< 1428968289 435265 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No backend server available for connection: timed out after 10 seconds or idempotent set to OFF or method not idempotent."
< 1428968295 900105 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is this website in?
< 1428968347 978047 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently oracle
< 1428968371 236645 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bridged to apache
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< 1428969829 687467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: is there any way to distinguish jerkcity comics from random MS Comic Chat screenshots
< 1428969842 180152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can they truly be said to be distinct categories
< 1428969890 531921 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frequency of refferences to dicks?
< 1428970470 919658 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you show me an if-else in bf?
< 1428970689 721460 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :+>[.<->[-]]<[>>.<<-]
< 1428970731 438621 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait i'm a beginner, gimme a minute to understand it
< 1428970799 7983 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428970864 799362 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment cell0 to 1,   if cell1 != 0 print it, then decrement cell0, then cell1 = 0       while cell0-- != 0 print cell2
< 1428970905 763977 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that... doesn't look like an if-else
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< 1428971081 361616 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok uhm the while loop is skipped since you decremented cell0
< 1428971106 478588 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, thank you
< 1428971107 988277 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a while block executed once is just an if block, if you want to look at it that way
< 1428971112 394092 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.paste.org/77995
< 1428971112 448320 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
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< 1428971148 768790 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is my attempt at an interpreter  for "State"
< 1428971172 209647 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: can you use a pastebin that doesn't have an anti-adblock? :\
< 1428971215 413551 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? Ihave adblock and i'm seeing no problems
< 1428971289 596309 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastecode.org/index.php/view/99675460
< 1428971303 167311 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1428971306 47281 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428971345 232715 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I see, it's because I also use noscript
< 1428971399 24256 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam spam spam spam spam best pastebin evur spam spam spam spam  http://arin.ga
< 1428971468 754340 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no js required, it gives you the raw version when you load it from curl/wget, and you can set an expire date like '17 years 9 days 2 hours 55 minutes'
< 1428971496 248254 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :</spam>
< 1428971552 958066 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, rdococ, do you have any example programs?
< 1428971577 979909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: have you looked at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_algorithms
< 1428971587 50816 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i currently am
< 1428971599 238252 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at it
< 1428972189 213647 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1428972470 963621 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i move the pointer 1000 cells to the left?
< 1428972509 1858 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the implementation whether that is even possible
< 1428972520 124620 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it is possible, 1000 <'s in a row should do it
< 1428972541 412238 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i meant to the right ^^
< 1428972568 381064 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was hoping for a different answer
< 1428972738 531493 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the tape has only zeros and then you put N in a cell, you can then use [-[>+<-]>] pattern to move the pointer over N spots
< 1428972777 948537 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ASCII art/mandelbrot14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42438 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+1067) 10Created page with "                                       vL  ,                                                 '*m-`                                               -m/**\a,                      ..."
< 1428972853 718525 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ASCII art/mandelbrot14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42439&oldid=42438 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+0) 10
< 1428972959 396225 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the tape does not have only zeroes... 1000 >'s should do it :D
< 1428972976 913824 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay <.<
< 1428972983 176021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fun fact: most programs do not require 1000 cells)
< 1428973359 219267 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have 1000 nonzero cells followed by a zero, you may want to consider [>]
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< 1428973873 6941 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube is dead
< 1428973889 451358 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My home laptop is dead
< 1428973901 535602 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is my sanity
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< 1428973957 590506 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome bb010g
< 1428973964 421130 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome sgeo's insanity
< 1428973977 858618 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-epnbrnzkxnguxgjy PRIVMSG #esoteric :relcome?
< 1428973983 637303 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02bb010g: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09<http://esolangs.org/>. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.)
< 1428973983 743304 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04sgeo's: 07insanity: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04<http://esolangs.org/>. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09irc.dal.net.)
< 1428974018 302745 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-epnbrnzkxnguxgjy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. o.o
< 1428974183 884723 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42440&oldid=42253 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+79) 10/* z = sign(x-y) */ i had this algorithm backwards apparently. i think i fixed it.
< 1428974257 387776 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a bad idea to call out a subreddit mod for failing to disclose financial incentives?
< 1428974270 631986 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, this mod is helping me, but still
< 1428974326 45420 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42441&oldid=42440 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+49) 10/* z = sign(x-y) */
< 1428974455 294467 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42442&oldid=42441 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-41) 10/* z = sign(x-y) */
< 1428974522 628527 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks a bit closer
< 1428974526 221101 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could have been a mistake
< 1428974529 854053 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoWeb: do you have reason to suspect the mod's judgment is compromised by a conflict of interest?
< 1428974560 266808 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, but I have reason to believe it's a violation of the subreddit's own rules, which state that posters of affiliate links should have it disclosed in their flair
< 1428974640 435692 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, if it's a mistake, they won't mind me asking about the affiliate thing directly
< 1428974654 864562 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see other Amazon links by them that don't have the affiliate tag
< 1428974666 245430 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ones to non-affiliate-capable sites
< 1428975012 620515 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't mention it then
< 1428975117 134971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428976789 533972 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OBQ5950/
< 1428976797 536194 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't seem to see details on the HD
< 1428977030 380899 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what details are you looking for?
< 1428977094 776235 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether the HD will park itself if it detects vibration
< 1428977110 871151 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also all the negative reviews about the SSD breaking and being dumped into a BIOS utility scare me
< 1428978022 702200 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
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< 1428980960 652627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<orin> Apparently austria is actually spelled with a o <- Ö hth
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< 1428981147 90581 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oesterreich
< 1428981179 346239 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mishoo/UglifyJS2/issues/121#issuecomment-92522991
< 1428981602 541125 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... what if i dynamically tell what base a number is in as it's read? so for eixample, 2F0 is (2*10+15)*16=560
< 1428981646 616139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2*3?
< 1428981723 212543 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: good point. 
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< 1428981796 588605 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in such representation, it is not obvious to me an algorithm for opimizing the size of higher numbers
< 1428981893 928730 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider if we have only 36 known digits, then in representing 37...
< 1428982000 37378 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can do 1Y
< 1428982235 835422 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i propose a code challenge?
< 1428982246 811213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of code challenge?
< 1428982268 57404 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo {a,b,}c{1..3}
< 1428982268 900335 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ac1 ac2 ac3 bc1 bc2 bc3 c1 c2 c3
< 1428982272 986570 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :invert it
< 1428982325 779641 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :find the shortest brace expansion that generates a set of strings
< 1428982592 582957 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo {1..3}{a,b,c}{4..6}
< 1428982593 196365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1a4 1a5 1a6 1b4 1b5 1b6 1c4 1c5 1c6 2a4 2a5 2a6 2b4 2b5 2b6 2c4 2c5 2c6 3a4 3a5 3a6 3b4 3b5 3b6 3c4 3c5 3c6
< 1428982640 459034 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo {x,{,w}q}{,a}      # you can even nest it
< 1428982646 600026 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x xa q qa wq wqa
< 1428982821 990841 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo {abc,def}{g,}
< 1428982822 747169 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcg abc defg def
< 1428982866 897996 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo {1..3}{a..c}
< 1428982867 514447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1a 1b 1c 2a 2b 2c 3a 3b 3c
< 1428982880 770200 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo {1..3}{aa..ac}
< 1428982881 375589 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1{aa..ac} 2{aa..ac} 3{aa..ac}
< 1428982942 559488 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may restrict the challenge to the {a,b,c} expansion style, ignore the {a..z}   ^^
< 1428983007 506148 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo {`{,`}}{1..3}
< 1428983008 329230 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: {,: command not found \ bash: {,: command not found \ bash: {,: command not found \ {}}1 {}}2 {}}3
< 1428983016 79859 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo {\{,\}}{1..3}
< 1428983016 611043 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​{1 {2 {3 }1 }2 }3
< 1428983032 818357 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may restrict the challenge to lowercase letters only <.<
< 1428983042 769224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, do you have to consider if the text include itself braces?
< 1428983051 765741 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may restrict the challenge to lowercase letters only <.<
< 1428983053 666049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even outside of a block)
< 1428983065 327501 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowercase letters only <.<
< 1428983086 363817 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1428983121 881862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so you mean all of the text is only with lowercase letter and not .. either, I suppose is you mean?
< 1428983134 139709 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean
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< 1428983158 631938 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the input is a single line with several words, space separated or whatever
< 1428983167 553941 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only use lowercase letters
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< 1428983180 844213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so spaces is OK too, but only between items.
< 1428983195 962054 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey the input format is not important
< 1428983253 149823 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just trying to remove the annoying cases <.<
< 1428983287 589032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1428983287 681996 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a list of words and produce the smallest brace expansion that generates them  ^^
< 1428983299 606491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1428983597 38445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make up a "temporary://" URI scheme for temporary identifiers. The format is scheme,authority,path,query,fragment like other URI and work same way relative URIs too, but it is local to the current instance and is not a global URI and probably doesn't points to anything. I also want to make up "urn:bible:" scheme.
< 1428983684 281010 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[02Itflabtijtslwi10]] to [[Ignore this fancy little acronym because this is just that slashes language with input]]
< 1428983684 730410 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[02Talk:Itflabtijtslwi10]] to [[Talk:Ignore this fancy little acronym because this is just that slashes language with input]]
< 1428983699 51608 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would urn:bible: only be Bible locations, or could it also specify translation?
< 1428983713 419942 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if so, is there a list of translations, or a more generic way anyone could produce a 'translation'?
< 1428983731 612695 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[02Ignore this fancy little acronym because this is just that slashes language with input10]] to [[Itflabtijtslwi]] over redirect
< 1428983731 855053 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[02Talk:Ignore this fancy little acronym because this is just that slashes language with input10]] to [[Talk:Itflabtijtslwi]] over redirect
< 1428983757 497204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoWeb: Only the Bible reference, I think.
< 1428983785 110708 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a specific translation, you will use the URL that points to the text of that translation.
< 1428983930 348285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example you can write urn:bible:<book> or urn:bible:<book>:<chapter> or urn:bible:<book>:<chapter>:<verse> or urn:bible:<book>:<chapter>:<verse>-<chapter>:<verse> might be the possible formats.
< 1428983960 645030 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1428984216 491811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> http://www.westpoint.edu/eecs/SiteAssets/SitePages/Faculty%20Publication%20Documents/Okasaki/jfp03flat.pdf <-- now i'm wondering if it is obviously impossible to do this with S and K specifically
< 1428984415 313149 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1428984500 744953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything starting with K.. or SK.. can be simplified.
< 1428984535 961695 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1428984560 526106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSxy = Sy(xy), if y is K that's also useless
< 1428984691 725520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSxSz = SS(xS)z = Sz(xSz), so needs z = S
< 1428984747 125340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSxSSa = SS(xSS)a = Sa(xSSS) oh i see this just keeps being trivial
< 1428984767 476578 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428984830 804368 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42451&oldid=42437 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+109) 10/* self interpreter */
< 1428984876 346724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um *Sa(xSSa)
< 1428984963 502295 :vodkode__!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1428984993 790877 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42452&oldid=42451 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+6) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */
< 1428985207 285339 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428985550 631725 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG HOW DO I DRAW A FUCKING CIRCLE IN ASCII ART THAT LOOKS LIKE A CIRCLE
< 1428985577 896014 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm completely unable to do it -_-
< 1428985598 204326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- looks like a good start
< 1428985622 982768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :         c.c
< 1428985623 161606 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69        c.c.c
< 1428985623 241905 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         c.c
< 1428985698 372410 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :even bots can
< 1428985728 742636 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_) might be a better start
< 1428985775 420688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends how big it should be
< 1428985836 402341 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough for a clock >.<
< 1428985926 878646 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1428986038 234296 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ascii.co.uk/art/clock hth
< 1428986230 592515 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428986546 73985 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1428986962 889746 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42453&oldid=42452 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+2) 10/* Fibonacci sequence */
< 1428986999 44256 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Di oirtabke desktops exist?>
< 1428987004 802389 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do portable desktops exist?
< 1428987013 347353 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428988125 320598 :zadock!~zadock@5-13-165-241.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428988350 260527 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a homerow shift error
< 1428988369 759517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gsnvy
< 1428988446 423350 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\n -> n `mod` 7) 0 80
< 1428988447 892435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Enum a0) arising from a use of ‘plot’
< 1428988447 997577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous
< 1428988448 53397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Note: there are several potential instances:
< 1428988528 152042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t plot
< 1428988529 183084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Enum a1, RealFrac a) => (a1 -> a) -> a1 -> a1 -> Doc
< 1428988552 825716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0`plot`)
< 1428988554 160339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The operator ‘plot’ [infixl 9] of a section
< 1428988554 216174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :         must have lower precedence than that of the operand,
< 1428988554 216246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :           namely ‘$’ [infixr 0]
< 1428988605 442656 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\n -> fromIntegral (n `mod` 7)) 0 80
< 1428988606 981335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⡠⠂⠀⢀⠔⠀⠀⡠⠂⠀⢀⠔⠀⠀⡠⠂⠀⢀⠔⠀⠀⡠⠂⠀⢀⠔⠀⠀⡠⠂⠀⢀⠔⠀⠀⡠⠂⠀
< 1428988607 36875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⡠⠊⠀⢀⠔⠁⠀⡠⠊⠀⢀⠔⠁⠀⡠⠊⠀⢀⠔⠁⠀⡠⠊⠀⢀⠔⠁⠀⡠⠊⠀⢀⠔⠁⠀⡠⠊⠀⢀⠔
< 1428988632 377675 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1428988720 75321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> sin (x*80)) 0 (pi/40)
< 1428988721 573412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated
< 1428988730 281003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> sin (x*80)) 0 (pi/40)
< 1428988731 665204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated
< 1428988743 245774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph silly function
< 1428988778 79950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> sin (fromIntegral (x*pi/40))) 0 80
< 1428988779 181933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Enum a0) arising from a use of ‘plot’
< 1428988779 282359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous
< 1428988779 338215 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Note: there are several potential instances:
< 1428988787 765160 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at oerjan 
< 1428988795 780605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> sin (fromIntegral (x*pi/40))) 0 (80::Int)
< 1428988797 200746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Floating Int) arising from a use of ‘pi’
< 1428988797 306797 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the second argument of ‘(*)’, namely ‘pi’
< 1428988797 362477 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the first argument of ‘(/)’, namely ‘x * pi’
< 1428988801 150691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1428988818 49704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> sin (fromIntegral x * pi/40)) 0 (80::Int)
< 1428988819 731088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⢄⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⡈⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉
< 1428988851 575384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1428988883 384790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> 2*sin (fromIntegral x * pi/40)) 0 (80::Int)
< 1428988884 724468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⣀⣀⣀⡠⠤⠤⠤⠤⠤⠤⠢⠤⠤⠤⠤⠤⠤⣀⣀⣀⡈⠉⠉⠑⠒⠒⠒⠒⠒⠒⠒⠒⠒⠒⠒⠒⠒⠉⠉⠉
< 1428988917 540934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel this is not how plots should work
< 1428988927 972624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> 1 + 2*sin (fromIntegral x * pi/40)) 0 (80::Int)
< 1428988929 489464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠤⠤⠤⠔⠒⠒⠒⠒⠒⠒⠑⠒⠒⠒⠒⠒⠒⠤⠤⠤⢄⣀⣀⡈⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⣀⣀⣀
< 1428988998 557151 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\n ->  sqrt(49 - (n-7)*(n-7))) 0 15
< 1428989000 815751 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⡠⠒⠊⠒⠢⡀⠀
< 1428989000 871496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⡈⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⡀
< 1428989047 420924 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\n ->  7-sqrt(49 - (n-7)*(n-7))) 0 15
< 1428989049 100555 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠁
< 1428989049 156036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠈⠢⣀⣀⣀⡠⠊⠀
< 1428989071 152552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> 1 + 10*sin (fromIntegral x * pi/40)) 0 (80::Int)
< 1428989072 477288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⠤⠔⠒⠒⠑⠒⠒⠤⢄⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
< 1428989072 581306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⣀⠔⠊⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠒⢄⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
< 1428989072 636967 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠤⠊⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠢⢄⠑⠤⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠠⠔⢁
< 1428989092 228732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> 10*(1+sin (fromIntegral x * pi/40))) 0 (80::Int)
< 1428989093 719634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
< 1428989093 775649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠤⠒⠊⠉⠉⠈⠉⠉⠒⠢⢄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
< 1428989093 775706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⢀⠤⠊⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠢⢄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
< 1428989100 13324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh
< 1428989128 55475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot id 0 80
< 1428989129 491496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
< 1428989129 613007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡠⠊
< 1428989129 668565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡠⠊⠀⠀
< 1428989147 855498 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd get a better pic in /msg :)
< 1428989164 305498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1428989188 750636 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no implicit plot? sux
< 1428989649 626030 :roasted42!~appleseed@vc-nat-gp-s-41-13-4-184.umts.vodacom.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428989664 942914 :roasted42!~appleseed@vc-nat-gp-s-41-13-4-184.umts.vodacom.co.za QUIT :Changing host
< 1428989664 998405 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428989665 53956 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
< 1428990568 227597 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they whould draw the plot to a jpeg and upload it to a server somewhere, then respond with a link
< 1428990750 131865 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about take a link to a jpeg and then plot it as ascii?
< 1428990819 985792 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i have no IDEA why my hands want to spell would as whould?
< 1428990883 899979 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hacked you
< 1428990996 543722 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: because https://youtu.be/lich59xsjik?t=51s
< 1428991042 257422 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428991270 63670 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1428991655 775720 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tomagotcha!14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42455 5* 030x0dea 5* (+1838) 10Add Tomagotcha! "language"
< 1428991813 256174 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42456&oldid=42378 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+5) 10/* A colon semicolon */
< 1428991940 772077 :SgeoWeb!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1428992543 376388 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beatnik14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42457&oldid=42372 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+1133) 10/* Hello, world */
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< 1428993284 342259 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1428993907 612712 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Beatnik14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42458&oldid=42457 5* 030x0dea 5* (-1133) 10Remove incorrect "Hello, world!" program
< 1428994425 795322 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4jwzan3AyA
< 1428994520 303062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[&]%@*>"Type 'beer' for beer.~Type 'quit' to quit.~"PS [&BEER'BEER],#99>:+,#&VERSE#/"No more bottles of beer on the wall.~"PS [&QUIT'QUIT]GQ+.$0>
< 1428994537 11402 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[&VERSE#,^#],^#<<PI" bottles of beer on the wall.~"PS,^#<<PI" bottles of beer.~Take one down and pass it around,~"PS,^#<,^#<<DN>,^#<<\,^#<<PI" bottles of beer on the wall.~"PS CR 1RF: 0RF
< 1428994588 488061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just finish by now to make OASYS assembler with C, this is how to make a kind of beer program with it. Is this program understandable to you?
< 1428994699 54145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This example program uses a pointer variable; OAC (the original compiler for OASYS) does not support pointer variables. (OAC also doesn't support macros, doesn't support calling methods before they are defined, etc.)
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< 1428995466 915310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: thanks now i'm finally up to date tdh
< 1428995551 38767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well to 2011 anyway
< 1428995749 402018 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428997142 650020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What part didn't you understand?
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< 1428997893 917690 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[02Funciton10]] to [[Function]]: Err,Function.
< 1428997894 377468 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[02Talk:Funciton10]] to [[Talk:Function]]: Err,Function.
< 1428997946 248036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1428998031 777577 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10moved [[02Talk:Function10]] to [[Talk:Funciton]] over redirect: No, it's not named that.
< 1428998055 282749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10moved [[02Function10]] to [[Funciton]] over redirect
< 1428999220 547477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[02A programming language is a formal constructed language designed to communicate instructions to a machine, particularly a computer.10]] to [[Aplifcldtcitampac]]: Err
< 1428999283 274286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aplifcldtcitampac14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42467&oldid=42465 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+14) 10
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< 1428999445 612284 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aplifcldtcitampac14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42468&oldid=42467 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (-14) 10Undo revision 42467 by [[Special:Contributions/Esowiki201529A|Esowiki201529A]] ([[User talk:Esowiki201529A|talk]])
< 1428999506 138830 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[02Aplifcldtcitampac10]] to [[A programming language is a formal constructed language designed to communicate instructions to a machine, particularly a computer.]] over redirect
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< 1428999753 311003 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1428999925 152639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe you should tell them how to create redirects without moving twice
< 1429000037 784548 :zadock!~zadock@5-13-165-241.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1429000570 441283 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar
< 1429000716 333824 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429000778 979736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42471&oldid=42453 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+77) 10/* Hello, World! */
< 1429001138 865679 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42472&oldid=42471 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, World! */
< 1429001204 32072 :jameseb-!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org NICK :jameseb
< 1429001313 34547 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429001451 667404 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42473&oldid=42472 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+39) 10/* Hello, World! */
< 1429001584 596058 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42474&oldid=42473 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+9) 10/* Hello, World! */
< 1429001659 184483 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42475&oldid=42474 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, World! */
< 1429001858 273092 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42476&oldid=42475 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+28) 10/* Hello, World! */
< 1429002451 336021 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1429002473 112437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the thought has appeared to me
< 1429002807 502486 :hassa-aravit!~cinch@ec2-52-11-105-153.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429004560 782915 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Quit: byeannes
< 1429004756 248486 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's OASYS?
< 1429005138 61547 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does urn:bible include books banned by catholic church?
< 1429005149 635256 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you probably need an identifier for "which bible" and "which version" of the bible
< 1429005161 406224 :Gregor`!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429005185 802192 :Gregor`!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Guest47678
< 1429005194 841800 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that urn:apocrypha?
< 1429005656 804770 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1429005656 936310 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1429005771 656895 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (-x -> x) 0 (10 :: Int)
< 1429005772 903996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pattern syntax in expression context: - x -> x
< 1429005777 859236 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> x) 0 (10 :: Int)
< 1429005779 198941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (RealFrac Int) arising from a use of ‘plot’
< 1429005779 253942 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: plot (\ x -> x) 0 (10 :: Int)
< 1429005795 35630 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> x) 0 (10 :: Float)
< 1429005796 386224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⠀⠀�
< 1429005796 487406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⡠⠊⠀
< 1429005796 541460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⡠⠊⠀⠀⠀
< 1429005816 303920 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> 1/x) 1 (10 :: Float)
< 1429005817 833598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⢄⣀⣀⣀⣀
< 1429005825 603906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1429005829 51115 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> 1/x) 1 (20 :: Float)
< 1429005830 655007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⢄⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀
< 1429005839 188361 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> 10/x) 1 (20 :: Float)
< 1429005840 819336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠂⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
< 1429005840 873459 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠠⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
< 1429005840 873510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠑⠢⠤⠤⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀
< 1429005847 33106 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better.
< 1429006647 783675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1429007061 14171 :TheM4ch1n3!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1429008020 770365 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot
< 1429008022 344045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Typeable a10)
< 1429008022 399512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       arising from a use of ‘show_M714213049450625511621244’
< 1429008022 399560 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression:
< 1429008029 156880 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1429008040 51735 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose @src works for @let'd functions?
< 1429008042 802271 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src plot
< 1429008043 44624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. stty: unknown mode: doofus
< 1429008352 275110 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> x + 1/x + 1/(1+x)) 1 (20 :: Float)
< 1429008353 792890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀
< 1429008353 897291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠔⠁
< 1429008353 952821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠔⠁⠀⠀
< 1429008370 792293 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> x + 1/x + 1/(1+x) + 1/(1/(1+x)))) 1 (20 :: Float)
< 1429008372 55354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:45: parse error on input ‘)’
< 1429008375 860140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> plot (\x -> x + 1/x + 1/(1+x) + 1/(1/(1+x))) 1 (20 :: Float)
< 1429008377 336983 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀�
< 1429008377 464576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠠⠁
< 1429008377 520031 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠠⠁⠀
< 1429008713 584972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1429008721 623025 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a way to calculate log(2) o_O
< 1429008737 745453 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum_{i=1}^{N} (1/(N+i))
< 1429008742 787213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :approaches log(2)
< 1429008804 107104 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum_{i=1}^{N} (1/(x*N+i)) approaches log(1+x^-1)
< 1429008843 535432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so by choosing x I can calculate every log \o/
< 1429008843 719331 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                            |
< 1429008843 799508 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                           /`\
< 1429008967 363377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, how fast is the convergence
< 1429009227 181707 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1429009234 163284 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can wolframalpha tell me that?
< 1429009310 342850 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't understand convergence rate
< 1429009322 204644 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're approximating 1/x by a step function? usually that ends up with with an O(1/N) error term; with some luck, O(1/N^2) if you center the steps on the curve (but you didn't).
< 1429009386 607715 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm approximating log
< 1429009403 788904 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1/(x*N+i)) <-- not here
< 1429009435 25287 :Guest47678!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Gregor
< 1429009458 453063 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@def myLog N x = sum [1/(x*N+i)|<-[1..N]]
< 1429009459 987105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:162:7: Not in scope: data constructor ‘N’
< 1429009460 87070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1429009460 141130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:162:27: Not in scope: data constructor ‘N’
< 1429009464 863416 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Guest75683
< 1429009470 86591 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@def myLog n x = sum [1/(x*n+i)|<-[1..n]]
< 1429009471 58528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:162:34: Not in scope: ‘|<-’
< 1429009475 605122 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@def myLog n x = sum [1/(x*n+i)|i<-[1..n]]
< 1429009478 273995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1429009488 647882 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> myLog 10 1
< 1429009490 269440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.6687714031754279
< 1429009494 194426 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 10
< 1429009495 638173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.3219280948873626
< 1429009499 164432 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 10 2
< 1429009500 467409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.30102999566398114
< 1429009502 574109 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu
< 1429009512 279698 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1429009514 103830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> log 2
< 1429009515 757118 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.6931471805599453
< 1429009522 151180 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> myLog 100
< 1429009523 773374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <Double -> Double>
< 1429009528 819127 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> myLog 100 1
< 1429009536 697263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.690653430481824
< 1429009536 905233 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> myLog 1000 1
< 1429009538 258335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.6928972430599376
< 1429009546 583728 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> myLog 10000 1
< 1429009547 931616 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.6931221811849484
< 1429009559 953513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like it converges fast :)
< 1429009562 184880 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> myLog 100000 1
< 1429009563 681926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.6931446805661916
< 1429009578 561676 :nszceta!~nszceta@109.232.227.133 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429009581 797160 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :10000 steps for four digits isn't that fast I guess
< 1429009586 542082 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::i plot
< 1429009600 794969 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> myLog 100000 2
< 1429009602 371257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.40546427477598784
< 1429009605 200006 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> log (3/2)
< 1429009606 532896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.4054651081081644
< 1429009614 120571 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t plot
< 1429009615 61859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Enum a1, RealFrac a) => (a1 -> a) -> a1 -> a1 -> Doc
< 1429009697 875047 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you're doing is to evaluate int_{x}^{x+1} 1/x dx = log(1+1/x) by a (lower) Riemann sum.
< 1429009712 238496 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@def myLog n x = (sum [1/(x*(n+i))|i<-[1..n]])*x
< 1429009713 629351 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:162:1: Warning:
< 1429009713 683475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Pattern match(es) are overlapped
< 1429009713 683532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In an equation for ‘myLog’: myLog n x = ...
< 1429009718 992853 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@def myLog' n x = (sum [1/(x*(n+i))|i<-[1..n]])*x
< 1429009722 225802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1429009726 369243 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> myLog' 100 1
< 1429009728 100218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.690653430481824
< 1429009744 399288 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [log 2, myLog 100 1, myLog' 100 1]
< 1429009745 953937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0.6931471805599453,0.690653430481824,0.690653430481824]
< 1429009827 199700 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@def let myLog n x = (sum [1/(x*(n+i-1/2))|i<-[1..n]])*x in myLog 100 1
< 1429009827 291935 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: TemplateHaskell is not enabled
< 1429009831 999209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let myLog n x = (sum [1/(x*(n+i-1/2))|i<-[1..n]])*x in myLog 100 1
< 1429009833 380501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.6931440556283007
< 1429009873 696389 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429009920 293625 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This one should have an O(1/N^2) error term, but I don't want to prove that rigorously.)
< 1429010020 76292 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help!
< 1429010027 330018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trapped in a channel empty of fungots.
< 1429010052 580357 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... and full of weirdos)
< 1429010147 89260 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the UK forbid rageporn?
< 1429010164 225265 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't it be already illegal to upload videos of other people without their consens?
< 1429010263 294026 :nszceta!~nszceta@109.232.227.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :legislating morality
< 1429010266 262796 :nszceta!~nszceta@109.232.227.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo
< 1429010280 114937 :nszceta!~nszceta@109.232.227.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, ask 8chan.co
< 1429010282 464965 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :We live in an age of overregulation of private life, and excessive freedom for corporations, in the name of safety and prosperity, respectively. Of course we're missing both targets.
< 1429010306 756143 :nszceta!~nszceta@109.232.227.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do everything within the context of a corporation and it's A-OK
< 1429010314 723488 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The prosperity one works better, for the top 1%)
< 1429010359 821009 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. perhaps for longer sentences.
< 1429010399 346863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? 
< 1429010401 586967 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also saved talk shows for another two weeks.
< 1429010410 651690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, we had that network blip.
< 1429010415 759142 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Germany violating personalyt rights like that apperentely gives you 2 years maximum.
< 1429010420 220743 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*personality
< 1429010425 289322 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*apparentely
< 1429010455 169968 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429010563 834158 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Oh all my convergence rate discussion above assumes that x>0.
< 1429010594 229921 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a summary conviction?
< 1429010648 653382 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. No jury. I see.
< 1429010946 67283 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: UNNAMABLE CHICKEN
< 1429011332 7955 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln(2)=sum_{k=1}^\infty 1/(k*2^k)
< 1429011336 690730 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be a bit faster
< 1429011354 709290 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the fact that ln(1/2)=-ln(2) and the standard Taylor series for ln at 1
< 1429011384 973210 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :the remainder of the partial sum of order N is less than 1/(N+1)2^N
< 1429011401 383786 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :very likely smaller, but that's a good starting point
< 1429011462 278190 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :more generaly, if you want a ln, you can use the arctanh function
< 1429012225 883385 :zadock!~zadock@5-13-169-174.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429012512 791424 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1429013500 111138 :zadock!~zadock@5-13-169-174.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1429013503 551583 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1429013668 88057 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429013692 240391 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1429014061 557980 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1429014225 716303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, rageporn?
< 1429014323 314734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :microwave fungot
< 1429014323 921084 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i say we should learn it. then i starved to death anyway. let's do it, well, there's diversity in scheme community. it's uniting a substantial subset of the environment
< 1429014347 103839 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: uploading sex tapes with your ex
< 1429014370 448371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :revenge porn, then
< 1429014370 502937 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's possible to create a language, without storage, that is turing complete anyway?
< 1429014378 467399 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1429014382 108475 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My english fucked up again :(
< 1429014384 133955 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rageporn just sounds like people having sex while very, very angry
< 1429014384 781680 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, revenge porn.
< 1429014386 27286 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: lambda calculus?
< 1429014407 993866 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: "storage" is such a malleable term
< 1429014409 760230 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't UK outlaw BDSM and that stuff anyway some time ago?
< 1429014414 371519 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, lambda calculus is mentioned again?
< 1429014414 707046 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1429014436 591778 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429014443 164446 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm. though.
< 1429014504 749831 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of a language that has curved dimensions, so it loops? or even more esoteric would be a language where the code is run, then a flipped variant, and so on in a mobius strip
< 1429014560 198421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, i think what happened is that the film censors in the UK have some very outmoded obscenity rules which have been ignored for a long time because they only applied to the dead-in-the-water industry of videos being sold as tapes or dvds
< 1429014622 122644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :then their authority was extended to cover internet porn and suddenly everyone realised how regressive they are
< 1429014699 805617 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429014768 105964 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1429014843 143794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and swiss people kept laughing at the UK for that :)
< 1429014860 688663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not realizing that a lot of that stuff is still in the gray-zone of law in switzerland as well
< 1429015066 820173 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429015688 154646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You starved to death? What do you even eat? 
< 1429015688 408956 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the repl will never be a name for that procedure. and those that can handle arbitrary library calls entirely from scheme.
< 1429015894 246574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Object oriented thue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42478&oldid=42400 5* 034D enthusiast 5* (+432) 10
< 1429015964 109109 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429015979 682585 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429016010 465955 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to make a language which is turing complete even if you can only use three instructions in a program?
< 1429016077 390168 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, three instructions total for the whole program?
< 1429016083 604851 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting question
< 1429016106 766066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, why is github so popular?
< 1429016106 980827 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: somebody sort of gave it away. i found that extremely simple :) and conceived with dumb compiler in mind :)
< 1429016120 453254 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :An instruction could be "execute this data using a different universal turing machine"
< 1429016128 441160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: unary or radixal?
< 1429016128 645895 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: and god created the heaven and the earth. and the debt is growing like hell. maybe they've fixed some of this
< 1429016234 39827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy L?
< 1429016245 502936 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uhm this is just a mockup but how does it look?  http://arin.ga/kjG5Kw/raw
< 1429016317 75140 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's called cheating lol
< 1429016367 431114 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter if it has to be looped, it just has to be three instructions
< 1429016377 688245 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than loop syntax
< 1429016404 137490 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact I'd prefer if it looped.
< 1429016408 699543 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: As long as the instructions are allowed to provide an arbitrary amount of data, and the language has an infinite number of states, you certainly can make it turing complete
< 1429016446 799685 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just use 1 and 0 to encode instructions?
< 1429016459 102055 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you limit the size of the program including the data, it's not turing complete because there are things that a turing complete language could compute, but this language couldn't
< 1429016460 589878 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why I had the idea of an infinite state machine and regexp matching
< 1429016463 872952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then using a state machine behind using some prefix-free "instructions"
< 1429016486 899600 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 and 0 are instructions that switch to a state and check if it arrived at a state with an action
< 1429016493 421882 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then execute that action.
< 1429016556 515336 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinite state machine would be like an FSM, but it would have infinitely many states generated by regexp based transitions. For example, you could do string $1 - concat $2 -> string $1$2, which would work for any $1 and $2.
< 1429016566 781776 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, using my example, string derp -- concat herp -> string derpherp
< 1429016579 736908 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I can encode braifuck this way... no problem.
< 1429016696 421956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are languages that only work by string replacement 
< 1429016716 361694 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1429016719 472776 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1429016722 975368 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's sed ^^
< 1429016730 694587 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I had one but I didn't make an article about it
< 1429016732 339277 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429016739 740620 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope forget what I said... that was stupid.
< 1429016754 18205 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well its possible
< 1429016783 327786 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using regexp matching and string replacement, its possible to do pretty much anything
< 1429016795 342145 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk if that means turing complete or not
< 1429016889 403030 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1429016891 785530 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet is terrible
< 1429017143 285995 :rdococ!95fefa2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.250.46 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1429017147 574077 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need infinitely many possible input states to have infinitely many possible output states
< 1429017286 226241 :Guest75683!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Gregor
< 1429017485 314345 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need infinitely many possible output states?
< 1429017528 489192 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe your output is limited to True/False.
< 1429017970 707732 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lisperator.net/pltut/   cool resource ^^
< 1429018119 994803 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to do lisp?
< 1429018138 305798 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not about lisp >.>
< 1429018161 333320 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should say: “yes, I want to do Lisp”
< 1429018270 556252 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Object oriented thue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42479&oldid=42478 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+11) 10/* stdio */
< 1429018384 487564 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you want to do LISP?
< 1429018384 692972 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: and implementing it in d or asm? /me boggle?
< 1429018396 772600 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I have nothing against a LISP interpreter in asm.
< 1429018428 754734 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better if it can fit on a floppy disc boot sector.
< 1429018521 914181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Would you want to be written in LISP?
< 1429018522 216171 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: is the official brainfuck forum. it happened to you? :) ( i'm attracted to these types of tools too.
< 1429018598 553707 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Object oriented thue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42480&oldid=42479 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+50) 10/* stdio */
< 1429018787 561437 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Object oriented thue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42481&oldid=42480 5* 034D enthusiast 5* (+1253) 10rewrote syntax description, modified file & time library definitions, fixed 99 bottles of beer program
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< 1429019785 469590 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: There's a brainfuck forum?
< 1429019785 789676 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the explanation is really bad... i've got a bunch in sequence, with no macros, lambda severely limited, slow. because i think they point to the page
< 1429020045 594012 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it take these quotes from?
< 1429020121 974449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1429020122 77822 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1429020129 37640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1429020129 91614 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
< 1429020165 206243 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: note that they're not quotes; fungot uses a markov-like model for babbling
< 1429020165 310095 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i can think of things like fnord in srfi-1? laml? tspl? srfi-news?
< 1429020182 560402 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1429020201 18143 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "fnord" stands for an infrequent word, for example. Fizzie can probably tell you all about it.
< 1429020230 606710 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style enron
< 1429020230 660771 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: enron (subset of the Enron email dataset)
< 1429020236 259070 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: email me?
< 1429020236 619618 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: didn't know that the are two sections resulting in the lowest and highest fares found for your routes to get out any paper on the california power market.
< 1429020441 72025 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think of fraud?
< 1429020441 185224 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i don't that will here tomorrow." ???contact john woolfolk at jwoolfolksjmercury.com ?mailto:jwoolfolksjmercury.com or the new in the thinkbank and find the full, and their work on the monday meeting on the construction industry the tariff.
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< 1429020468 410653 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1429020468 466045 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
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< 1429020993 729825 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Interest in a ponsy scheme?
< 1429020994 161795 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: or what id id) you can still find the original reppy paper not on acm. must have. i only care about the alphabet
< 1429021077 992160 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1429021086 814293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ponzy scheme? or a ponys scheme?
< 1429021431 853447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponzi
< 1429021449 936677 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's a ponzy scheme with ponys.
< 1429021450 800107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this may have been intentional
< 1429021457 693403 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore I created a new word ponsy scheme
< 1429021458 69675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate this channel, everyone's so smart :)
< 1429021481 362499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's probably ponies
< 1429021487 357589 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you.
< 1429021498 654766 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Except you. You're okay.
< 1429021498 787837 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: welcome to drscheme, just because you are trying to access
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< 1429023239 766374 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Guest75683
< 1429023357 540509 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style qwantz
< 1429023357 631492 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: qwantz (Dinosaur Comics transcriptions 2003-2011)
< 1429023360 286952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fnord
< 1429023360 539538 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: in the second example, there," came a cry from across the room, you can reconstruct you from those! this algorithm for relationship satisfaction. tada!
< 1429023384 171168 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: An algorithm for relationship satisfaction would probably be worth a lot of money.
< 1429023384 225127 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: as a man concerned, t-rex, that going shopping was your default activity?"
< 1429023411 448550 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I like shopping.
< 1429023427 513123 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn I exceeded my limit again.
< 1429023845 730988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Funciton-factorial-call.png10]]"
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< 1429023973 577559 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What is a funciton?
< 1429023973 680594 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but to compare, the number of burgers to eat when i get one
< 1429023997 309742 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1429024003 197691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A funciton is the number of burgers to eat when I get one.
< 1429024026 576496 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: thanks
< 1429024026 787291 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: all i've got to show for the past week is a bunch a few nights later. now it's only used when it's time to make some changes around here, you were a real dick on the internet!!" it's enough to make me put down the newspaper, fold it in two, smooth.
< 1429024043 162014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'funciton': A funciton is the number of burgers to eat when I get one.
< 1429024136 460424 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1429024213 5472 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07File:Funciton-factorial-call.png14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42483&oldid=42482 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+12) 10
< 1429024657 15659 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
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< 1429027124 232018 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat. https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858#comment:84 (for shachaf, oerjan and Taneb?)
< 1429027148 426332 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)))
< 1429027161 658779 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as usual I did not see any e-mail notification for this)
< 1429027239 457197 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I deserve none of the credit for that
< 1429027329 206358 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++
< 1429027330 905052 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf++
< 1429027340 81128 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma oerjan
< 1429027340 136828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has a karma of 28
< 1429027343 339943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma
< 1429027343 395447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 8
< 1429027350 895554 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma shachaf
< 1429027350 951527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf has a karma of 84
< 1429027367 703735 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma taneb
< 1429027367 759323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb has a karma of 15
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< 1429028380 342681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma Phantom_Hoover 
< 1429028380 595865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 3
< 1429028393 395249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :an outrage
< 1429028427 84894 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma
< 1429028427 384392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 1
< 1429028446 571031 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1429028565 733837 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover++
< 1429028588 821030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly++
< 1429028670 1587 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what I deserve karma for, but thanks
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< 1429030046 572422 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma Taneb
< 1429030046 669174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb has a karma of 15
< 1429030051 267217 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma mroman
< 1429030051 370114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 0
< 1429030094 222858 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the scoring?
< 1429030542 695939 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman++ <-- random scoring
< 1429030906 446647 :Guest75683!dlopen@libdl.so NICK :Gregor
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< 1429031474 368210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you have to fix DOSBOX to support CGA hicolor
< 1429031575 155327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other features of 8088 MPH demo.
< 1429031604 549886 :Hijiri!~oneechan@107-133-196-130.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1
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< 1429032296 187920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 0
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< 1429034385 10608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma
< 1429034385 64783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 1
< 1429034393 91735 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma
< 1429034393 446877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 0
< 1429034395 503882 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay?
< 1429034408 824924 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1429034414 316543 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's your karma?
< 1429034414 407752 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: in a good story, they function in an undiagnosable way? for instance, i've recently picked up a hobby, and it's been super great! i signed up for an english as a second language course.
< 1429034417 282513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma fungot
< 1429034417 336661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has a karma of 8
< 1429034417 614262 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you you dedicated bible ii to me??
< 1429034429 425465 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I dedicated a bible to fungot.
< 1429034429 571725 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: t-rex, i don't know! maybe! i've never been to the bottom of a bottle.
< 1429034432 476272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to mention that.
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< 1429039120 878774 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, "The astonishingly-ingenious trio of Shachaf Ben-Kiki, Ørjan Johansen and Nathan van Doorn managed to persuade GHC 7.10.1 to cough up unsafeCoerce."
< 1429039136 185339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can logic-based and aspect-oriented and reactive and rule-based programming be combined together if the input format is RDF?
< 1429039146 418512 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the commit message of the fix)
< 1429039157 741749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I saw that too yes
< 1429039223 277538 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no idea what that means, but let's see
< 1429039229 139486 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball Can logic-based and aspect-oriented and reactive and rule-based programming be combined together if the input format is RDF?
< 1429039232 625219 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1429039240 797433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, Can logic-based and aspect-oriented and reactive and rule-based programming be combined together if the input format is RDF?
< 1429039240 853401 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you you dedicated bible ii to me?? it wat that easy! it's like buying a game that sounds like a crazy friday as weekend, why not monday too?
< 1429039245 13307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 8-ball response is wrong
< 1429039249 901996 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/8-ball
< 1429039253 554412 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ shuf -n 1 share/8ballreplies
< 1429039263 141114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deciding the answer by randomly doesn't seem the way to do it in this circumstance.
< 1429039265 54018 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat share/8ballreplies
< 1429039265 777425 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is certain. \ It is decidedly so. \ Without a doubt. \ Yes definitely. \ You may rely on it. \ As I see it, yes. \ Most likely. \ Outlook good. \ Yes. \ Signs point to yes. \ Reply hazy try again. \ Ask again later. \ Better not tell you now. \ Cannot predict now. \ Concentrate and ask again. \ Don't count on it. \ My reply is no. \ My sources s
< 1429039277 504514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also does not tell you how even if the answer is yes.)
< 1429039291 531301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I wouldn't trust the 8-ball
< 1429039384 94806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose 8-ball can still be use in case you do need to decide the answer at random, but my question isn't that kind of question.
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< 1429039753 999422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, there was another unsafeCoerce?
< 1429039942 767944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the ((),()) => () unsafeCoerce
< 1429039957 822480 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it might be the same
< 1429040059 948798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trac link?
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< 1429040802 481727 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858
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< 1429041021 831231 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07State14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42485&oldid=42433 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+229) 10examples
< 1429041067 403986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07State14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42486&oldid=42485 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-4) 10/* Examples */
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< 1429042477 262852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wakes up
< 1429042517 355431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me while i bask in fame
< 1429042572 72920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan
< 1429042585 532575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello fellow famous guy
< 1429042738 240855 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1429042747 38370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can add this to the list, alongside "ferociously-unintuitive".
< 1429042811 328747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1429042825 919731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you get that for
< 1429042896 985274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcast Refl
< 1429042932 913279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess SPJ isn't used to Leibniz equality.
< 1429042933 3536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t gcast Refl
< 1429042933 3589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (k :: BOX) (a :: k) (b :: k). (Typeable a, Typeable b) => Maybe (a :~: b)
< 1429042933 159060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/libraries/2013-March/019470.html
< 1429043087 51894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SPJ's fix takes this too far.
< 1429043097 863173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. it breaks the Typeable instance for Dict.
< 1429043131 695355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing even somewhat impredicative about that.
< 1429043136 99868 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a temporary fix?
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< 1429043210 988274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the impression it was intended for at least one release?
< 1429043339 800427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do find it a bit disappointing how all the #9858 fixes remove some features
< 1429043351 559318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've already nagged enough about that
< 1429043384 247614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :features like unsafeCoerce
< 1429043419 764527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean like deriving Typeable (Proxy a) from Typeable a
< 1429043456 20618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(polykindedly)
< 1429043481 139434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1429043534 34973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably something involving type lists that gets really awkward because of it.
< 1429043572 394254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you also cannot derive Typeable (a ': as)  i think
< 1429043630 147513 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an ':
< 1429043636 928474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh uses of Typeable and uses of fake dependent typing are probably a bit disjoint
< 1429043644 290377 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429043650 572580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: : promoted to a type
< 1429043651 498242 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifted (:) infix
< 1429043654 440076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1429043676 292990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i vaguely recall that's the notation, i've never used it.
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< 1429044291 877069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh all the gcasts are written with eqT now
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< 1429044791 696556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: shachaf's comment might be relevant to your interests  <shachaf> E.g. it breaks the Typeable instance for Dict.
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< 1429044819 120570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1429044820 432366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, edwardk is here.
< 1429044827 710856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he seems a bit idle
< 1429044903 980815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell edwardk shachaf points out that the last fix for #9858 breaks e.g. Typeable Dict
< 1429044904 71949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1429045153 831342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t plot
< 1429045154 799847 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Enum a1, RealFrac a) => (a1 -> a) -> a1 -> a1 -> Doc
< 1429045158 864025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t L.plot
< 1429045160 179964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Enum a1, RealFrac a) => (a1 -> a) -> a1 -> a1 -> Doc
< 1429045540 382774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list def
< 1429045540 502639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No module "def" loaded
< 1429045545 783242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help def
< 1429045545 837106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
< 1429045556 606683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list let
< 1429045556 660752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval provides: run let define letlpaste undefine
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< 1429046815 447737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GHC 7.4 gave us the ability to talk about ConstraintKinds. They stopped crashing the compiler in GHC 7.6."
< 1429047393 484190 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... what?
< 1429047423 912787 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how a compiler can meaningfully be said to support somthing if it crashes
< 1429047426 138086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :comment on the top of edwardk's constraints package
< 1429047452 493031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: it's irony hth
< 1429047460 324553 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
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< 1429049029 676117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh neat
< 1429049052 786394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have all of SKI, then flat combinator calculus can express (.) as S I K S K
< 1429049073 71406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap id const ap const
< 1429049074 164220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type:
< 1429049074 218781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      b ~ (a -> a -> a) -> a -> b
< 1429049074 218829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: ((a -> (a -> a) -> b) -> (a -> a -> a) -> a -> b)
< 1429049079 716902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1429049220 889988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap id const ap
< 1429049221 787975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a ~ b -> a -> b1
< 1429049221 842133 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: ((b -> a -> b1) -> (b -> a) -> b -> b1)
< 1429049221 842188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   -> b -> a -> b1
< 1429049226 674899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap id const
< 1429049227 551829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type:
< 1429049227 605836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      a ~ (b1 -> a) -> b
< 1429049227 605891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: ((b1 -> a) -> b) -> b1 -> a
< 1429049237 681559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1429049271 152623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap id
< 1429049271 998748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a -> b) -> a) -> (a -> b) -> b
< 1429049677 506464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tyConPackage $  typeRepTyCon $  typeOf $ fromList [(1,2)]
< 1429049678 709051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match expected type ‘Item r0’ with actual type ‘(t0, t1)’
< 1429049678 763259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The type variables ‘t0’, ‘t1’, ‘r0’ are ambiguous
< 1429049678 763307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In the expression: (1, 2)
< 1429049695 578247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tyConPackage $  typeRepTyCon $  typeOf $ fromList [(1::Int,2::Int)]
< 1429049696 930944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match expected type ‘Item r0’
< 1429049696 985140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 with actual type ‘(Int, Int)’
< 1429049696 985189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The type variable ‘r0’ is ambiguous
< 1429049719 824085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tyConPackage $  typeRepTyCon $  typeOf $ Data.Map.fromList [(1,2)]
< 1429049721 399256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘Data.Map.fromList’
< 1429049728 8304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tyConPackage $  typeRepTyCon $  typeOf $ M.fromList [(1,2)]
< 1429049729 248535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "conta_47ajk3tbda43DFWyeF3oHQ"
< 1429049754 39996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t tyConPackage $  typeRepTyCon $  typeOf $ M.fromList [(1,2)]
< 1429049755 32383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :String
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< 1429050189 881008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's _really_ annoying that the ghc 7.10.1 online docs have broken source links.
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< 1429050599 44190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: By the way, someone linked to https://www.fpcomplete.com/blog/2015/03/minghc-ghc-7-10 in #haskell recently.
< 1429050634 720830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----###
< 1429050642 597142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1429050651 514888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i even do this time
< 1429050669 275975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hinted that i should install minghc tdnh hth
< 1429050684 629438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is there something bad about minghc
< 1429050701 526231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the main reason to wait for the Haskell Platform on Windows was that GHC didn't come with an installer.
< 1429050823 143312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that it comes with precompiled packages.
< 1429050828 397220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and winghci.
< 1429050855 345775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1429050858 387475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the swatter
< 1429050867 706290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA*
< 1429050877 84991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :puns don't cut it anymore?
< 1429050906 620351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i _really_ thought the plan to get a platform out in about a week was going to work.
< 1429050918 424796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but obviously it snagged somewhere.
< 1429050956 332060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they saw #9858 and decided to wait.
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< 1429053119 649493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm dependent on exactly what Kind.isConstraintKind checks, there might be a way to get around spj's fix...
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< 1429053434 112041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not allowing Typeable on Constraint seems sad.
< 1429053442 167104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't GHC meant to be gettin more unified
< 1429053448 330088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1429053470 520760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm not sure HP is going to get another release, from what I vaguely heard a while ago.
< 1429053483 514086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429053487 682418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess your information is newer than mine
< 1429053517 425235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was after 7.10.1 came out
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< 1429054963 750662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Typeable on Constraint impredicative because you have Typeable Typeable?
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< 1429057467 143148 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how 'hey we'll slip a little infelicity into the type system for some sweet sweet sugar becomes' "oh fuck"
< 1429057488 777419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42488&oldid=42476 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+443) 10/* Example */
< 1429057501 793825 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :er the quotes there were somewhat random =)
< 1429057554 705253 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know this is fixable. we typecheck these tuples correctly in ermine.
< 1429057637 392500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :baking the result of isConstraintKind k into the TypeRep should work about as well, shouldn't it?
< 1429057639 624856 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :we explored something similar to the "limited sub-superkinding" system at the end of http://comonad.com/reader/2011/what-constraints-entail-part-1/ but switched to using another level of quantification like SPJ proposed to fix the need for sub-superkinding
< 1429057759 524413 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically if you replace kind * # and Constraint  with a single kind  (Sort a b)  -- where a and b can range over a very simple domain say {T, F}, then you can talk about * as Sort T T, Constraint as Sort T F, and # as Sort F T, then using quantifiers over a and b lets you talk about the ambiguity of the kinds involved.
< 1429057783 454535 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :now type () has kind forall a. Sort T a
< 1429057812 810634 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :type (,) has kind forall a. Sort T a -> Sort T a -> Sort T a
< 1429057844 343300 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :type (->) has kind forall a b. Sort a T -> Sort b T -> Sort T T
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< 1429057855 341655 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and type inference proceeds as usual.
< 1429057886 555578 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort F F us currently uninhabited but would be used for 'unboxed constraints' if they ever existed.
< 1429057887 554272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: make T a variable and include unboxed typles as well? >:)
< 1429057893 262625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*u
< 1429057904 973660 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :unboxed tuples fit into # now.
< 1429057912 663487 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Sort F T covers them
< 1429057934 301063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you could unify all three (,)s, maybe
< 1429057959 307547 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work, because you want * -> * -> #   for (#,#)
< 1429057971 253571 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as # -> * -> # etc
< 1429057983 229916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1429058058 413520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what exactly isConstraintKind k  checks in that fix?  i'm wondering if it only hits the type being of kind Constraint itself, so (=>) and Ord unapplied still work?
< 1429058084 152862 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :type (#,#) has kind forall a b. Sort a T -> Sort b T -> Sort F T
< 1429058087 868237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that they're much useful without constraints)
< 1429058091 189419 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1429058122 904772 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42489&oldid=42488 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+69) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */
< 1429058135 829183 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways the above encoding is enough to solve the problem for good, but its a lot more invasive.
< 1429058637 805860 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429058648 476880 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently replacing the HD of the model I want nulls and voids the warranty
< 1429058650 584616 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1429058696 248551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly the trac is sending out Cc:s again, maybe they fixed it
< 1429058712 198727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, i didn't get goldfire's comment
< 1429058819 223686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Show is still Typeable after the change.
< 1429058825 509772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show Int isn't.
< 1429058949 198563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means (,) _constructor_ is also Typeable.
< 1429058965 863898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i suspect the only thing you cannot get around is () :)
< 1429058977 206465 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Your mistake there is getting a warranty
< 1429058998 936576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how can (,) be Typeable if you can't even refer to it?
< 1429059000 250889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and NullaryConstraints
< 1429059002 191851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foiled
< 1429059011 390899 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: I've heard that this laptop might sometimes stop working, according to reviews
< 1429059014 270097 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a bit scared by that
< 1429059018 801509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can tease it out with some type equalities
< 1429059029 420378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you managed to do that?
< 1429059045 69441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i did, maybe i should recheck
< 1429059045 627543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like what I was doing with Proxy to avoid KindSignatures?
< 1429059057 246475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I tried it here and it didn't work but I didn't try very hard.
< 1429059179 679552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x :: forall a b c. (a b c ~ (Ord Int, Show Int)) => TypeRep; x = typeRep (Proxy a) in x
< 1429059181 2243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match expected type ‘Expr -> proxy0 a0’
< 1429059181 56251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 with actual type ‘Proxy t0’
< 1429059181 110614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The function ‘Proxy’ is applied to one argument,
< 1429059190 304754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops hm
< 1429059202 537948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x :: forall a b c. (a b c ~ (Ord Int, Show Int)) => TypeRep; x = typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy a) in x
< 1429059203 928319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Could not deduce (Typeable a) arising from a use of ‘typeRep’
< 1429059203 982693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     from the context (a b c ~ (Ord Int, Show Int))
< 1429059203 982753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       bound by the type signature for
< 1429059209 885331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429059254 716629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x :: forall (a :: Constraint -> Constraint -> Constraint) b c. (a b c ~ (Ord Int, Show Int)) => TypeRep; x = typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy a) in x
< 1429059256 98286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (,)
< 1429059280 651289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1429059300 451550 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Did any hardware engineers take a look at the cases where it stops working?
< 1429059322 772971 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of
< 1429059353 129488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why in the world does it require a kind signature there
< 1429059366 310102 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, i posted a version of my encoding above to the trac
< 1429059418 867170 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I would try to find a different model then.
< 1429059476 734539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you tease out Typeable (Ord Int) from HEAD by deriving the parts separately?
< 1429059566 405432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you cannot, that means it breaks polykindedness of type application, which is about the only feature this new system had...
< 1429059592 863386 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, I tend to be conservative in my use of technology
< 1429059602 226391 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo
< 1429059653 172695 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it depends on your tradeoff of risk of failure versus awesomeness of the laptop
< 1429059697 742088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> let foo :: forall a b. (Typeable a, Typeable b) => Proxy a -> Proxy b -> Proxy (a b) -> TypeRep; foo _ _ _ = typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (a b)) in foo (Proxy :: Proxy Ord) (Proxy :: Proxy Int) (Proxy :: Proxy (Ord Int))
< 1429059701 811192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ord Int
< 1429059704 365604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1429059714 297888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Ord Int)) is an error)
< 1429059913 390824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you could make a post about this, if () is the only thing effectively forbidden...
< 1429060012 696208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(being the only builtin NullaryConstraint)
< 1429060051 290440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is still quite possible that's enough to close the exploit holes, but...
< 1429060091 332346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't _quite_ trust that yet.
< 1429060109 206032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty fishy.
< 1429060500 334146 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.78.174 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429060776 225190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i thought -> could return unboxed values too...
< 1429060886 61471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42490&oldid=42484 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+54) 10
< 1429060935 970505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you writing a post or should i do it
< 1429060975 677169 :Froox!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429061195 265701 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1429061887 203147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not writing it right now, at any rate.
< 1429061897 768252 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1429062694 826384 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1429062698 613610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw you _did_ test your example above in HEAD, not just lambdabot?
< 1429062710 579081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1429062716 755669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reading comprehension
< 1429062735 10338 :tertu!~tertu@143.44.78.174 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1429062963 927904 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429063047 80954 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1429063180 559212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42491&oldid=42490 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+99) 10
< 1429063311 809350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42492&oldid=42179 5* 0368.39.240.189 5* (+123) 10/* Befunge-93 */
< 1429063423 643589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: posted hth
< 1429063459 585462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION barely resisted the urge to include the "shachaf> hth" line in the quote
< 1429063572 45818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The second line works in HEAD.
< 1429063947 842329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nu pizza
< 1429063950 208179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1429063988 318729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't see any particular reason why it shouldn't when Ord worked, so.
< 1429063999 682986 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429064702 879561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the special property of () is that it's the only type that has ambiguous kind and TypeRep even if none of its arguments do.
< 1429064761 897472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else either includes kind information or has the output kind determined by the argument kinds
< 1429064975 467983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429064980 893806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm that's technically not what i wanted to say
< 1429064994 940543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(,) has ambiguous kind unapplied
< 1429065046 909043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_however_, there is nothing that can take it as an unapplied argument which doesn't include kind information
< 1429065098 352773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about (,) hth
< 1429065102 401616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy (Proxy :: '[] -> *))
< 1429065103 622228 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:33: parse error on input ‘*’
< 1429065117 184701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah ... oh
< 1429065122 300632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: (Proxy :: '[] -> *))
< 1429065123 406178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:29: parse error on input ‘'’
< 1429065132 537509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: (Proxy :: [] -> *))
< 1429065133 681864 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:30: parse error on input ‘]’
< 1429065164 802693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: (Proxy :: () -> *))
< 1429065166 101802 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Expecting one more argument to ‘Proxy’
< 1429065166 155879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Expected a type, but ‘Proxy’ has kind ‘() -> *’
< 1429065166 155928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In an expression type signature: (Proxy :: () -> *)
< 1429065173 643207 :Hijiri!~oneechan@2607:f720:f00:4043:9e4e:36ff:fe14:c0d8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: (Proxy (() -> *)))
< 1429065174 755427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:33: parse error on input ‘*’
< 1429065184 967188 :Hijiri!~oneechan@2607:f720:f00:4043:9e4e:36ff:fe14:c0d8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: (Proxy ('() -> *)))
< 1429065186 166615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:34: parse error on input ‘*’
< 1429065200 491070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did int-e turn off DataKinds
< 1429065249 164123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: () -> *))
< 1429065250 476283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Proxy
< 1429065270 518157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks a bit weak
< 1429065282 38191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: '[] -> *))
< 1429065283 230847 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:35: parse error on input ‘'’
< 1429065296 859498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: [] -> *))
< 1429065298 69321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:36: parse error on input ‘]’
< 1429065317 780237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: [*] -> *))
< 1429065319 247639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Proxy
< 1429065324 842735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429065341 438897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, what happened to the kind-sensitivity
< 1429065355 578197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> > typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: [*] -> *)) == typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: () -> *))
< 1429065356 821226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:1: parse error on input ‘>’
< 1429065362 433951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: [*] -> *)) == typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: () -> *))
< 1429065363 711332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1429065394 25907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> typeRepKinds $ typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: [*] -> *))
< 1429065394 131468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[] *]
< 1429065494 147816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> what about (,) hth <-- ((,),) ? makes no sense hth
< 1429065571 345863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a,b),(c,d)) hth
< 1429065575 83313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't make much sense either way
< 1429065606 627511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i specifically said that the (,) argument had to not have arguments hth
< 1429065624 112631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise, a and b determine its kind
< 1429065645 892603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1429065666 848407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, do they?
< 1429065672 85050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(,) isn't polykinded.
< 1429065944 982892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gpu is at 82°C
< 1429065950 322321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that good or bad or average?
< 1429065953 114907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a laptop
< 1429066032 430104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(,) has two kinds, * -> * -> *  and Constraint -> Constraint -> Constraint
< 1429066057 137040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more of a "no base case" sort of joke
< 1429066060 362659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't very good
< 1429066073 884886 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: probably fine
< 1429066080 920781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1429066108 245335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind
< 1429066135 518916 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've run laptops at 130-140 for weeks on end with no problems 
< 1429066170 117920 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1429066177 25978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg
< 1429066203 909063 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you not burn your fingers
< 1429066204 578126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, this is the one case where you really _should_ say
< 1429066207 19520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbq
< 1429066231 636828 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but omg should come first then
< 1429066242 142277 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I have a burn mark on my right hand from falling asleep with my hand on a laptop 
< 1429066253 832857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats quintopia for breaking the joke on the first step -----###
< 1429066278 111653 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...so this isnt a joke. just real idiocy. cool.
< 1429066288 384083 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1429066321 571768 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not cool. the opposite of cool.
< 1429066333 201086 :Hijiri!~oneechan@2607:f720:f00:4043:9e4e:36ff:fe14:c0d8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot?
< 1429066333 753174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :—————♯♯♯
< 1429066346 560840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: your imitation falls flat hth
< 1429066354 528931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1429066365 772712 :Hijiri!~oneechan@2607:f720:f00:4043:9e4e:36ff:fe14:c0d8 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1
< 1429066374 560282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't very sharp at the moment
< 1429066418 620306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do think sharpening a swatter is overdoing it.
< 1429066474 73705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real upgrade was in the handle
< 1429066487 955645 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ーー蟲蟲
< 1429066566 831632 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now thats a powerful swatter
< 1429066574 917638 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it electrified
< 1429066628 109545 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but this bugswatter is literalyy made of bugs
< 1429066643 978789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks mushy to me
< 1429066702 700656 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
< 1429066727 771072 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushi de ippai
< 1429067762 905026 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hashes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42493&oldid=42217 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+21) 10
< 1429067916 487266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.  DISPLAYTITLE has restrictions.
< 1429068080 961921 :Guest3780!~magician@31.203.146.52 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429068195 911646 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42494&oldid=42417 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+27) 10
< 1429068243 42986 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42495&oldid=42494 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (-2) 10
< 1429068318 870164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42496&oldid=42495 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+6) 10
< 1429068871 889042 :password2!~password@197.77.44.18 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429069775 453987 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1429070816 745092 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1429071377 541753 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Bitlocker safe?
< 1429071415 332852 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, if I start using Bitlocker, does that mean it's safe for me to send an intact laptop to be serviced without worrying about techs getting access to passwords etc?
< 1429071436 740142 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combine that with encrypted cloud backup, and I won't have to worry about losing my data if I do that
< 1429071444 113118 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric := no need to pull out HDs
< 1429071762 916867 :Hijiri!~oneechan@2602:306:b85c:4820:1136:cba8:c96:20ba JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429072355 990831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Rdococ 5*  10moved [[02State10]] to [[Tar]]: Instead of just scrapping this and creating a similar one in its place...
< 1429072645 907734 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a lot of work just to avoid removing the drive.
< 1429072672 705729 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42499&oldid=42497 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-491) 10Changes to everything, making it harder
< 1429073905 854788 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429073946 579993 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Quit: mitchs
< 1429073973 810447 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avoiding removing the drive avoids voiding warranties and drop protection and the like
< 1429074280 279054 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUGHH this is disgusting. because of these serrated discs, my dwrves have to haul each part of the troglodyte to the atomsmasher separately
< 1429074382 719395 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use bitlocker I suppose... I would just store all sensitive data on an SD card or something
< 1429074587 25341 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm is it possible to configure firefox to put its password stuff on a removable drive?
< 1429074673 837606 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429074750 754741 :Hijiri!~oneechan@2602:306:b85c:4820:1136:cba8:c96:20ba PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarfort?
< 1429074765 906624 :Hijiri!~oneechan@2602:306:b85c:4820:1136:cba8:c96:20ba PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an answer to your question
< 1429075071 355944 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I'm almost done draining the ocean
< 1429075153 895191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tar14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42500&oldid=42499 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-10) 10/* Structure */
< 1429075491 582523 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like most DF endeavours, this involves dwarf sacrifice
< 1429075711 570636 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1429075730 956450 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429075740 191467 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my FPS was down to 5, now it's up to 13
< 1429076131 16793 :password2!~password@197.77.44.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429076565 300758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't trust BitLocker against a government. I'd trust it against random tech support people.
< 1429077000 38057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be sure they're sufficiently random hth
< 1429077573 89782 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it can. (->) :: Sort a T -> Sort b T -> Sort T T -- Sort b T is the 'return' kind. the Sort T T is the kind of the function itself.
< 1429077594 344763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...duh.
< 1429077610 620166 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :np
< 1429077614 769944 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :screwed with me at first too =)
< 1429077674 596853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am thinking that separating () :: Constraint and () :: *  is all that is needed to stop this bug without outlawing Typeable constraints.
< 1429077698 28234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although intuitively, tuples and -> vs. => should also be separated.
< 1429077751 42354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, as i commented, outlawing Typeable (() :: Constraint) is the only thing the fix does properly.
< 1429077825 989329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me post that.
< 1429078271 606058 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42501&oldid=42500 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+1396) 10Added interpreter
< 1429078304 180805 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429078336 814371 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People say turing tarpit...
< 1429078344 393089 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say finite state automaton tarpit.
< 1429078487 215033 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42502&oldid=42491 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-8) 10added tar
< 1429078788 379479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i guess i made an alternative proposal or three.
< 1429078840 704898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _that_ i got a Cc: this is so random...
< 1429078848 87587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a CC: for.
< 1429079018 160393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy::Proxy(Proxy::'[()]->*)) == typeRep (Proxy::Proxy(Proxy::[()]->*))
< 1429079019 754800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:30: parse error on input ‘'’
< 1429079069 7267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't lambdabot accept promoted datatypes.  or wait isn't '[()] legal.
< 1429079082 2984 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dunno, try '[] () maybe
< 1429079109 728370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ('[] ())
< 1429079113 997273 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1429079138 907915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1429079150 796412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't use that at the kind level, do you.
< 1429079234 499703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> typeRep (Proxy::Proxy '()) == typeRep (Proxy::Proxy ())
< 1429079236 79767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1429079241 502625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1429079391 121023 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1429079519 411303 :Froox!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1429079606 964358 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429079692 971305 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429079737 853948 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429079934 681919 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :opinions on this?   https://gist.github.com/izabera/b2dc6515c7cfb05fc500
< 1429080154 850147 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42503&oldid=42502 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-190) 10/* My esoteric programming languages */
< 1429080203 980821 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42504&oldid=42503 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-52) 10
< 1429080389 889210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your suggestion is more or less what i was thinking hth
< 1429080408 121236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1429080414 929035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthx
< 1429080450 873916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should say it's more or less what i would've thought if i'd thought about it
< 1429080455 690456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe i should just say i agree
< 1429080472 907443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1429080840 276025 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: can you program it?
< 1429080852 290198 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1429080863 130109 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :program in it
< 1429080868 254200 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you program in it?
< 1429080869 586726 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what?
< 1429080881 750613 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that clock
< 1429080883 69775 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code you linked to
< 1429080887 802441 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's a clock -_-
< 1429080892 208944 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1429080904 143406 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it made me think of alarm clock radio
< 1429080946 925342 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my joke's funny, right?
< 1429080966 191947 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :allot :P
< 1429081007 238400 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, if you smoke, you'll get http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tar and shameless self-advertisement in your body.
< 1429081027 23962 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...get it? it's called Tar? ...no?
< 1429081064 712108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: apropos shameless self-advertisement, you mentioned string search and replace languages so i must point you at http://esolangs.org/wiki////
< 1429081082 425422 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so unfunny, it crossed the line where unfunny things become funny and is still unfunny there :p
< 1429081087 684881 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s////Thue
< 1429081088 506093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i did not invent it, but i did much of the rest.)
< 1429081110 384914 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s////Thue/s/////Thue
< 1429081112 378061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: /// is simpler hth
< 1429081132 261324 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :string replacement is cool though
< 1429081134 254505 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is sed not esoteric enough?
< 1429081143 468627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I don't get it. how is it related to tar (the program already called tar)?
< 1429081150 949703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: too many useless operations hth
< 1429081158 675927 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what related to tar?
< 1429081158 909281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I understand why "Folders" is called that, but not "Tar"
< 1429081167 151231 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ah, long story
< 1429081185 768637 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just write hth after every sentence or what
< 1429081187 431931 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see, it was originally called State and was a bit different
< 1429081198 634950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to assume it's a subtle comment on the nonexistence of Feather hth
< 1429081210 811111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: not always hth
< 1429081219 874337 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: you must be new here
< 1429081253 645175 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda
< 1429081255 460043 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the principle was the same, but it was clogged... what I mean by clogged is that it was an OISC with 4 arguments... not 2...
< 1429081260 481604 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I reduced it and changed it
< 1429081269 349292 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, but you've taken a pretty good name
< 1429081278 31004 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I named it Tar, because it was a tarpit, but not a turing tarpit
< 1429081279 738323 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what if someone actually does an esolang that somehow uses the tar program
< 1429081287 937251 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what's the tar program?
< 1429081299 53089 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1429081304 482258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, then we will need our wiki's second disambiguation page!
< 1429081323 886070 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many name conflicts
< 1429081325 259743 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am tempted
< 1429081326 897557 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed streetlight <<< reeter
< 1429081336 846786 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lighter
< 1429081338 44001 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could rename it Tarp.
< 1429081354 194458 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds fancier too
< 1429081386 353419 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tar14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42505&oldid=42501 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+3) 10changing name to tarp
< 1429081432 249698 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Rdococ 5*  10moved [[02Tar10]] to [[Tarp]]: possible naming conflicts with a possible esolang using some kind of 'tar program', whatever that is
< 1429081463 362674 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll also go and delete the redirect
< 1429081488 323536 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tar14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42508&oldid=42507 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-18) 10Blanked the page
< 1429081490 738562 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: you are using windows, aren't you?
< 1429081497 895747 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... unfortunately
< 1429081507 15569 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains a lot
< 1429081524 965869 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew there was a .tar extension
< 1429081537 110330 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could have caused a conflict
< 1429081619 228113 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/WMPa   anyway this is a clock written in sed   (honestly impressive)
< 1429081706 901487 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42509&oldid=42504 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+1) 10
< 1429081879 681590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tarp14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42510&oldid=42506 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+0) 10okay, now I'm renaming it to Harp.... for some weird reason
< 1429081904 23476 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Rdococ 5*  10moved [[02Tarp10]] to [[Harp]]: ugh... make your mind up brain
< 1429081974 901410 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42513&oldid=42509 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+0) 10
< 1429082000 743019 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what next? Harpy?
< 1429082000 847793 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what the goverment uses?! The http://esolangs.org/wiki/Harp machine!!!
< 1429082001 51223 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1429082009 881104 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1429082023 546066 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tarp just sounded too sharp...!!!
< 1429082107 860603 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Harp14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42514&oldid=42511 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+17) 10/* Structure */ forgot a step in executing the only instruction in Harp
< 1429082135 541285 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :harp darp
< 1429082152 958177 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I am to create a derivative of Harp, it would be called Darp.
< 1429082178 521856 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1429082267 323567 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02Tar10]]": Author request: content before blanking was: "#REDIRECT [[Tarp]]"
< 1429082325 734510 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1429082398 162818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: shall i just delete State and Tarp too?
< 1429082408 313999 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want
< 1429082410 897222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: foo () for ... done scares me
< 1429082423 24406 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02State10]]": Author request: content was: "#REDIRECT [[Tar]]" (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Rdococ|Rdococ]]")
< 1429082424 284548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo () { ... } >... too
< 1429082435 464268 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the function body must be a compound command
< 1429082450 334952 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ } is a compound command, but so is for ... done
< 1429082454 521659 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02Tarp10]]": Author request: content was: "#REDIRECT [[Harp]]" (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Rdococ|Rdococ]]")
< 1429082538 194387 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` -d? () [[ -d $1 ]];     -d? /bin && echo /bin is a directory
< 1429082539 176826 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -d: invalid option \ Usage:	bash [GNU long option] [option] ... \ 	bash [GNU long option] [option] script-file ... \ GNU long options: \ 	--debug \ 	--debugger \ 	--dump-po-strings \ 	--dump-strings \ 	--help \ 	--init-file \ 	--login \ 	--noediting \ 	--noprofile \ 	--norc \ 	--posix \ 	--protected \ 	--rcfile \ 	--restricted \ 	--verbose \ 
< 1429082543 936167 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o
< 1429082547 346854 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1429082555 463290 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bug in HackEgo 
< 1429082571 965566 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats........
< 1429082580 219090 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :who coded it?
< 1429082594 245468 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` :; -d? () [[ -d $1 ]];     -d? /bin && echo /bin is a directory
< 1429082595 179189 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin is a directory
< 1429082604 623541 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is the author of HackEgo ?
< 1429082646 533169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`
< 1429082647 123502 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec bash -c "$1"
< 1429082651 985504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a bug in hackego
< 1429082654 383152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run -d? ()
< 1429082656 306283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -d: invalid option \ Usage:	bash [GNU long option] [option] ... \ 	bash [GNU long option] [option] script-file ... \ GNU long options: \ 	--debug \ 	--debugger \ 	--dump-po-strings \ 	--dump-strings \ 	--help \ 	--init-file \ 	--login \ 	--noediting \ 	--noprofile \ 	--norc \ 	--posix \ 	--protected \ 	--rcfile \ 	--restricted \ 	--verbose \ 
< 1429082658 566005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1429082659 736587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok nice
< 1429082661 163099 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bug in HackEgo 
< 1429082666 773759 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need bash -c -- "$1"
< 1429082672 152342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1429082674 568024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/` is written by me
< 1429082680 946757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run is built in though
< 1429082686 231517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's cool that it's broken
< 1429082699 210640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/-c/-c --/' 'bin/`'
< 1429082715 137280 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` -d? () [[ -d $1 ]];     -d? /bin && echo /bin is a directory
< 1429082718 126609 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -d: invalid option \ Usage:	bash [GNU long option] [option] ... \ 	bash [GNU long option] [option] script-file ... \ GNU long options: \ 	--debug \ 	--debugger \ 	--dump-po-strings \ 	--dump-strings \ 	--help \ 	--init-file \ 	--login \ 	--noediting \ 	--noprofile \ 	--norc \ 	--posix \ 	--protected \ 	--rcfile \ 	--restricted \ 	--verbose \ 
< 1429082719 790833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429082721 104773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` -d?
< 1429082721 736062 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -d?: command not found
< 1429082729 120691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there
< 1429082733 15564 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why did it error out?
< 1429082735 136951 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` -d? () [[ -d $1 ]];     -d? /bin && echo /bin is a directory
< 1429082736 35240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this is exploitable though
< 1429082736 935742 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin is a directory
< 1429082740 395133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: race condition
< 1429082743 510908 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1429082748 20344 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exploitable
< 1429082748 731875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since you could just as easily `run bash -... if you wanted)
< 1429082752 897909 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just broken code
< 1429082771 262260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor HackEgo `run foo should do bash -c -- foo rather than bash -c foo, or it breaks on `run -blah
< 1429082771 316413 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1429082783 87168 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of having /bin/` is clever
< 1429082866 731444 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`
< 1429082868 173901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1429083025 263209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: `run doesn't actually need to be built in
< 1429083034 693400 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1429083037 470945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you could do the same trick as `
< 1429083041 359034 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1429083055 290773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the built-ins are `run, `revert and `help I think
< 1429083069 62213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make `help not built in, and you can make one of `run and `revert not built in
< 1429083083 731671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since either would let you revert to an earlier revision if someone deletes everything
< 1429083094 391037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you make them both not built in then anyone can just delete everything with no way to fix it >_>
< 1429083999 414562 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` time rm -rf *
< 1429084028 271841 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't needed
< 1429084105 932625 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1429084120 755822 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~.~
< 1429084228 80377 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ real	0m0.871s \ user	0m0.340s \ sys	0m0.660s
< 1429084285 453905 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` time sleep 1
< 1429084303 181399 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ real	0m1.023s \ user	0m0.000s \ sys	0m0.000s
< 1429084304 972997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1429084317 949952 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` time sleep 0.3
< 1429084318 751471 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ real	0m0.321s \ user	0m0.000s \ sys	0m0.000s
< 1429084336 322377 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Done.
< 1429084337 277568 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1429084344 936378 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run var=3
< 1429084346 963736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429084349 342149 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "$var"
< 1429084350 319453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429084352 139588 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1429084362 643382 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $var
< 1429084363 260960 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429084363 777711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can't you fix things with `/... commands anyway?
< 1429084381 99237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm... I guess
< 1429084386 237585 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` TIMEFORMAT='real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS'; time sleep 0.3
< 1429084389 663355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do `/revert or whatever if that was added
< 1429084394 359675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real: 0m0.316s, user: 0m0.000s, sys: 0m0.000s
< 1429084399 307199 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it take so long ._.
< 1429084401 899613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok run and help should become non-primitives then
< 1429084406 755500 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` time sleep 1.5
< 1429084409 744484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ real	0m1.524s \ user	0m0.000s \ sys	0m0.000s
< 1429084409 798396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to revert rm -rf *
< 1429084411 778757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it doesn't work
< 1429084413 702405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1429084415 486000 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1429084419 833232 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``time sleep 1.48
< 1429084420 450265 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `time: not found
< 1429084426 592013 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` time sleep 1.48
< 1429084428 695712 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ real	0m1.512s \ user	0m0.000s \ sys	0m0.000s
< 1429084435 629584 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` time sleep 1.46
< 1429084437 730803 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ real	0m1.483s \ user	0m0.000s \ sys	0m0.000s
< 1429084465 513453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: because it also starts up user mode linux
< 1429084490 898093 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i "s/^/TIMEFORMAT='real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS' /" bin/\`
< 1429084495 12899 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429084498 952686 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` time echo x
< 1429084499 639042 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real: 0m0.001s, user: 0m0.000s, sys: 0m0.000s \ x
< 1429084537 958062 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't that be in .bashrc
< 1429084549 179319 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :.bashrc is only sourced in interactive shells
< 1429084576 718365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: okay but `fetch would still be built in
< 1429084593 591236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess it could just get an HTTP proxy that lets you do what `fetch does but no more?
< 1429084599 218755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. GET only, filesize limit, etc.
< 1429084608 735401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rate-limited somehow
< 1429084621 502461 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`curl
< 1429084624 424376 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information
< 1429084629 457079 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl can post
< 1429084675 198419 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`curl --help
< 1429084675 848457 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: curl [options...] <url> \ Options: (H) means HTTP/HTTPS only, (F) means FTP only \      --anyauth       Pick "any" authentication method (H) \  -a, --append        Append to target file when uploading (F/SFTP) \      --basic         Use HTTP Basic Authentication (H) \      --cacert FILE   CA certificate to verify peer against (SSL) \      --
< 1429084689 805038 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` curl -F 'aringa=<-' arin.ga <<< 'hello from #esoteric'
< 1429084690 888176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to connect to socket 2. \  \ curl: (52) Empty reply from server
< 1429084694 298929 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1429084706 693314 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dig 8.8.8.8
< 1429084714 157395 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: dig: not found
< 1429084714 821263 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping 8.8.8.8
< 1429084715 476686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1429084735 15968 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1429084786 919827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the curl proxy it has is limited to a few websites
< 1429084788 472555 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there were a way to adver...hang on... why havent I added any of my languages to the list of languages... other than that old rotten FileCode that I hate
< 1429084794 924247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you couldn't replace `fetch with it
< 1429084801 726540 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh
< 1429084814 531734 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`curl -H 'esolangs.org'
< 1429084815 188939 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: no URL specified! \ curl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information
< 1429084825 672293 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`curl -H 'http://esolangs.org'
< 1429084826 225899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ideal would be that the entire bot was modifiable
< 1429084826 984512 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: no URL specified! \ curl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information
< 1429084829 244887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be so usable
< 1429084833 120988 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`curl -H http://esolangs.org
< 1429084839 196819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could implement it as a nomic-style voting system
< 1429084844 563504 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: no URL specified! \ curl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information
< 1429084848 16533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with veto power given to some people
< 1429084853 300935 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`curl --help
< 1429084853 917263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: curl [options...] <url> \ Options: (H) means HTTP/HTTPS only, (F) means FTP only \      --anyauth       Pick "any" authentication method (H) \  -a, --append        Append to target file when uploading (F/SFTP) \      --basic         Use HTTP Basic Authentication (H) \      --cacert FILE   CA certificate to verify peer against (SSL) \      --
< 1429084856 352882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool... I should write that
< 1429084866 65180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: use `run
< 1429084869 24845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429084875 517388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you are doing is like curl '-F http://esolangs.org'
< 1429084921 595797 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run curl -F http://esolangs.org
< 1429084922 350850 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Illegally formatted input field! \ curl: option -F: is badly used here \ curl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information
< 1429084929 141380 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run curl -H http://esolangs.org
< 1429084929 999676 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: no URL specified! \ curl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information
< 1429084936 746647 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run curl -H 'http://esolangs.org'
< 1429084937 541797 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: no URL specified! \ curl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information
< 1429084939 780027 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1429084981 780224 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42515&oldid=42340 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+11) 10/* H */ added Harp
< 1429084997 548410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/bin/bash -cecho hi #Testing
< 1429084998 205429 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/bash: - : invalid option \ allexport      	off \ braceexpand    	on \ emacs          	on \ errexit        	on \ errtrace       	off \ functrace      	off \ hashall        	on \ histexpand     	on \ history        	on \ ignoreeof      	off \ interactive-comments	on \ keyword        	off \ monitor        	off \ noclobber      	off \ noexec   
< 1429085004 494914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/bin/bash -c echo hi #Testing
< 1429085005 282095 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/bash: - : invalid option \ Usage:	/bin/bash [GNU long option] [option] ... \ 	/bin/bash [GNU long option] [option] script-file ... \ GNU long options: \ 	--debug \ 	--debugger \ 	--dump-po-strings \ 	--dump-strings \ 	--help \ 	--init-file \ 	--login \ 	--noediting \ 	--noprofile \ 	--norc \ 	--posix \ 	--protected \ 	--rcfile \ 	--restrict
< 1429085014 582202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok bash cannot be used that way
< 1429085020 998236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which perl
< 1429085035 573450 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/perl
< 1429085035 627691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it broke.
< 1429085046 762900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/usr/bin/perl -eprint "Hi!"
< 1429085059 339242 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42516&oldid=42515 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+41) 10/* F */ added Folder [not Folders]
< 1429085060 174854 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi!
< 1429085202 840391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi #esoteric! do you have any idea what the best way is to implement a program whose control structure between basic blocks looks like this?: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/ick-parser-substate-example.png
< 1429085208 301669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't, really
< 1429085219 853869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to render that thing in terms of if and while doesn't work without extra variables
< 1429085235 797494 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto
< 1429085252 715621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was definitely considering it
< 1429085255 295975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees "ick-parser" and starts to back away...
< 1429085255 397295 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto state_6
< 1429085269 65446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the context is that I'm trying to write a YACC impl that produces human-like output code
< 1429085274 573439 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Icky parser substrate
< 1429085275 396783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no idea what a human would write in this situation ;-)
< 1429085305 17647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is admittedly an extreme example, in most of the YACC grammars I tried the substate control graphs are much simpler
< 1429085317 217184 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use goto or just have an integer state variable
< 1429085409 445636 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If the states have more meaning than just numbers, I might use labels or state number constants that reflect the meaning)
< 1429085559 761220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could probably use more meaningful names
< 1429085579 938484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a state variable seems like a bad idea, that'd basically leave you in a for-switch situation
< 1429085595 817403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I don't think you'd do the whole thing as a goto
< 1429085603 50356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. 10 and 13 both look like if statements
< 1429085618 513156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21/22 would be perfect for a while, except that it has two entry points
< 1429086021 41261 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not plain functions
< 1429086035 207305 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack depth
< 1429086065 518293 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tail calls
< 1429086078 836366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions + tailcalls is basically equivalent to a nest of gotos
< 1429086127 180135 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The flow tends to be clearer IME, but yes of course
< 1429086127 430304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current plan is to use the goto style in C if the control flow is sufficiently complex that you can't figure out what's going on, and replace it with mutually recursive tailcalls if we're using a functional language
< 1429086187 60364 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have a programming language called Harp... it looks like it might be perfect for your needs. Here: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Harp
< 1429086196 126661 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has an interpreter, lol
< 1429086214 435544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: to write my YACC impl in? or as a language to target?
< 1429086243 111394 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a look
< 1429086259 483484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that can't possibly be more powerful than an FSA, it only has one symbol of memory
< 1429086267 232725 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...
< 1429086277 123301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's less powerful either, but that's less obvious
< 1429086283 659859 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as powerful as a finite state machine
< 1429086303 584552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, yes, it's exactly as powerful as a finite state machine
< 1429086311 926303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can just write a list of transitions after each label
< 1429086339 499909 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, if you read the specification of Harp...
< 1429086403 94727 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt even have the concept of states.
< 1429086419 816551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: yes it does, just indirectly
< 1429086426 288259 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, indirectly
< 1429086429 618485 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I meant directly
< 1429086433 756566 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/xtkSZO <-- this is the sort of code you get if you take the state variable approach
< 1429086459 777691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for that particular example, only two states are in any loop (21 and 22), so you could implement it as a function for each state and then a single function with a while loop for those two states
< 1429086475 623185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each instruction acts as a state whose transitions are listed on the subsequent lines, up to the next unconditional jump, ignoring any duplicates of previous transitions
< 1429086511 331217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 21/22 would blatantly be a while loop if not for the fact you can enter it either way round (which says a lot about INTERCAL's syntax)
< 1429086539 686822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: I don't find that very readable
< 1429086555 682615 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goto approach would have been better
< 1429086556 607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's basically a for/switch which is an antipattern
< 1429086559 731617 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh... right
< 1429086576 1023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you literally have no advantage over goto there, and you're using goto anyway
< 1429086585 738743 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for that you probably need a single state variable there, or else duplicate one of those states
< 1429086591 516576 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429086597 301298 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429086627 801370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mind you, when I write code by hand, I use state variables a lot
< 1429086639 198119 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I encourage state variables in while loops as good style
< 1429086643 15449 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me show an example
< 1429086653 974427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been known to do that too, especially if there's a bunch of common code each time round the loop
< 1429086658 455522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayacc's parser works like that atm
< 1429086668 104372 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't meen the balatnt for{switch{}} kind of state variables of course
< 1429086672 108567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I couldn't sensibly autogenerate it for obvious reasons, so I wrote a hand-coded parser)
< 1429086681 221689 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just variables for quitting a loop or skipping some part of the code etc
< 1429086806 517741 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :example for quitting loops early with state variables: http://russell2.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/sc/info1/info1-gy4.html#cell_16
< 1429086848 62624 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping
< 1429086848 714114 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1429086858 976455 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, internet still working
< 1429086882 867978 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet shouldn't be alive
< 1429086943 858477 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it'd be easy to implement that diagram in Harp, as long as you don't care about the consistency of state names
< 1429086963 515250 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see someone use it
< 1429086970 71526 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or talk about it
< 1429086971 599218 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or comment on it
< 1429086984 906780 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping
< 1429086985 387192 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1429086992 885883 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429086999 902267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's basically just a compression scheme for FSMs, and those tend not to get talked about much
< 1429087009 696814 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429087039 406580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe "tend not to get talked about much"
< 1429087041 82867 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about my other esolang called Folder (not Folders
< 1429087046 803217 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1429087058 392521 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that reminds me of this question
< 1429087064 856914 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what an infinite state machine would be like
< 1429087100 742045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/22493/8067 "Are there any open problems left about DFAs?"
< 1429087111 309553 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some nice answers
< 1429087154 298745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: we thought Folder was interesting, because its power most likely depends on filesystem features
< 1429087252 344303 :rdococ_!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429087302 750793 :rdococ_!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously need ideas for a more interesting language
< 1429087308 621489 :rdococ_!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea for an infinite state machine
< 1429087324 361087 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1429087330 504913 :rdococ_!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 NICK :rdococ
< 1429087341 853699 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429087373 538111 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transfinite state machines
< 1429087519 363332 :rdococ_!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429087539 593504 :rdococ_!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, would an infinite state machine be turing complete
< 1429087552 527641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how it's defined
< 1429087556 795450 :wieldablesquid!~evn@c-67-201-217-24.reshall.wwu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429087557 45247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are certainly constructions that are
< 1429087566 521187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best known is finite state machine + two counters
< 1429087584 540092 :rdococ_!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you could define an infinite number of states with regular expressions or token wildcards
< 1429087596 82656 :rdococ_!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like string $1 + concat $2 => string $1$2
< 1429087597 299546 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1429087605 664343 :rdococ_!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 NICK :rdococ
< 1429087643 836681 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet will be intermittent because I'm in a car
< 1429087672 791936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"infinite state machine" is really vague. almost anything is an infinite state machine if it runs in discrete time, which applies to most of what non-esoteric computer science considers.
< 1429087699 813888 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1429087730 394841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so general you can't really say anything useful about it, which is why we restrict it by the chomsky hierarchy or other ways
< 1429087758 878248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Wroom
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< 1429087825 278942 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1429087954 382052 :rdococ!95fee0f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.224.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1429087965 870888 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot: here is the same code, refactored with goto: http://arin.ga/fyyppe
< 1429088019 227055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still not that readable
< 1429088023 185159 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429088025 589009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit better
< 1429088035 521910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least now the fact that the flow is optimizable is more obvious
< 1429088040 840427 :rdococ!95feea8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.140 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429088061 747575 :rdococ!95feea8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.254.234.140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am I connected at all
< 1429088065 731930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e,g, you do things like if (...) goto longlongnum; else {...; goto retry;} longlongnum:
< 1429088082 248112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is one of the most bizarre ways to write an if statement I've ever seen :-)
< 1429088105 186364 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.
< 1429088115 632935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the retry label?
< 1429088125 448632 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at top
< 1429088153 398750 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code is scary
< 1429088164 277987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this lexing C or something?
< 1429088167 905631 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh by the way
< 1429088197 25658 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1429088201 455616 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is reading in arbitrary C structures, in an ad-hoc format similar to C literals
< 1429088223 871792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think yacc not reading the lookahead when it's not needed would even make implementing a classical C89 compiler simpler, 
< 1429088280 355054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for it would use that hack where the lexer generates a different token for type identifiers than for function/object identifiers, and you may need that distinction very early after a type is declared
< 1429088317 885909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right, I've implemented it to never read a token unless it's needed
< 1429088320 515050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would make sense to me that yacc had always worked that way
< 1429088323 101230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because POSIX requires that
< 1429088324 644122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1429088326 75347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's inconsistent
< 1429088345 506115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other examples like foo: bar {midrule} BAZ
< 1429088365 594781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well
< 1429088391 228083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose I do "a : b {foo} C | b {bar} D", now you have to read in the C or D to know whether to run foo or bar
< 1429088418 930021 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brace blocks in the middle of the rule can be useful in some sort of grammars, but it's really just syntacic sugar
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< 1429088438 841687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1429088468 88528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayacc desugars it in the way recommended by POSIX, to "a : b #1 C | b #2 D; #1 : {foo}; #2 : {bar}"
< 1429088485 182927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily this don't read the lookahead rule doesn't make the yacc implementation too complicated, because if you know how to generate the pushdown automaton tables, you probably also know how to determine when you need the lookahead
< 1429088490 485417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I start internally-generated identifiers with # because that's normally an illegal character in yacc identifiers, = no clashes
< 1429088527 947597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the check is "is every transition on a terminal in this state an identical reduce action"
< 1429088537 318966 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... and yacc identifiers can contain a hyphen so you can't just use them verbatim inside the C function names you generate
< 1429088566 114961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically you could check shifts too, but a) that never happens with the LALR(1) algorithm unless there's only one terminal there, b) the act of shifting requires reading the terminal anyway
< 1429088570 115396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, meeting
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< 1429088582 204542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what?
< 1429088611 252711 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it is workday time where ais is.
< 1429088612 343550 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think (b) is valid because you need to execute a brace block before the reading if there's only one shift action?
< 1429088634 407857 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it's workday time. he's in the same continent as me.
< 1429088679 960477 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where I am it is 5 in the morning, e.g. crawl home o clock
< 1429088681 786889 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: does that lex C99 hexfloats too?
< 1429088685 938656 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1429088739 969325 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably modify it, but it probably doesn't even work perfectly for regular floats anyway 
< 1429088745 171190 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also C++11 suffixed user literals, C++11 literal strings, and the three flavors of unicode strings...)
< 1429088760 185095 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: but hex floats are _easier_ than regular floats
< 1429088767 657185 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular meaning decimal
< 1429088769 996665 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1429088780 901568 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because there's no tricky precision issues
< 1429088788 963351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the representation is binary
< 1429088805 551058 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reading decimal floats, it's hard to convert from decimal to binary without roundoff errors
< 1429088812 496517 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh.... that makes sense now I think about it
< 1429088818 823767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for hex floats you don't have that problem, it's easier to convert
< 1429088842 755378 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's still not trivial, I'd still recommend most people to use a library function from a trusted well-written library instead of parsing themselves
< 1429088846 368405 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's definitely easier
< 1429088904 167038 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This code reads a format taht is a bit more permissive than C... for example, if the number begins with a hex digit you don't need a prefix. 0xff xff  and ff are all ok
< 1429088951 231174 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1429088956 912169 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 1f will give you 25 
< 1429088958 150454 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff*3 isn't the variable ff*3
< 1429088967 464125 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 255*3?
< 1429089009 962563 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: what? isn't 1f supposed to be the same as 1.1f in C?
< 1429089021 977263 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me ask geordi
< 1429089035 277658 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no it's not
< 1429089038 479832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1429089048 402654 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? I thought it would just be an error
< 1429089058 926370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's an error
< 1429089068 825767 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a C++11 user-defined literal
< 1429089094 903719 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. what happens if two packages deifne the same literal?
< 1429089209 743766 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.. I guess it is handled as a duplicate definition of operator ""
< 1429089884 997160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: it's more complicated than that
< 1429090121 38960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's namespaced too
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< 1429095859 230782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
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< 1429095910 850583 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily--
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< 1429095953 933225 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1429095963 415623 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
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< 1429096515 317684 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. I feel a little bit disturbed to be at 108.
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< 1429109614 153199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42539&oldid=42526 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+25) 10/* Escape sequence */
< 1429109663 478707 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42540&oldid=42442 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-1) 10
< 1429109669 829979 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42541&oldid=42539 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+3) 10/* Escape sequence */
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< 1429109840 37040 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42542&oldid=42541 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+6) 10/* Escape sequence */
< 1429110461 843489 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like this esowiki guy could make all these changes in a single edit
< 1429110481 946453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or be more descriptive about what they are for
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< 1429112558 315975 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
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< 1429112901 675318 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1429115187 467311 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Folder14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42543&oldid=42401 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+247) 10/* Name dispute */
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< 1429117357 62521 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1429117402 20712 :Hijiri!~oneechan@2607:f720:f00:4032:9e4e:36ff:fe14:c0d8 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429118201 543422 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan are trac notifications still erratic for you as well?
< 1429118201 635976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1429118621 498725 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429119293 505568 :Hijiri!~oneechan@2607:f720:f00:4032:9e4e:36ff:fe14:c0d8 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1
< 1429119940 906676 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429119993 999943 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fell asleep
< 1429120038 964092 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429120057 498641 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think of sleep?
< 1429120057 599918 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i've never been to the bottom of a bottle.
< 1429120095 497818 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a lightweight huh
< 1429120095 703222 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: at a speed of over eight hundred thousand things to save the city, and the skyline is dominated by billboards, ads like that burn my biscuits, pal, or go to an early gravy!
< 1429120559 349578 :Hijiri!~oneechan@2607:f720:f00:4045:9e4e:36ff:fe14:c0d8 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429121364 145722 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo not the early gravy!
< 1429121416 622843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 still not back? pity
< 1429121685 590854 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1429121786 544943 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Harp14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42544&oldid=42514 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+63) 10/* Interpreter */
< 1429121813 986776 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429121852 899317 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what he said was wrong
< 1429121868 993921 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1429121875 156615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually right
< 1429121890 418573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then there's a one-symbol reduction
< 1429121891 833216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok great
< 1429121896 14550 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem then
< 1429121901 294834 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew
< 1429122114 875618 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :language where every instruction consists of exactly 2 characters
< 1429122179 401960 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok oK Ok OK O! o! K! k! <-- let's make a variant of "Ook!" ;-)
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< 1429122731 724804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429122826 435644 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :language with 0 instructions
< 1429122998 797087 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429123042 655354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1429123042 756623 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 1h 20m 41s ago: are trac notifications still erratic for you as well?
< 1429123077 842818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e yes.
< 1429123077 946027 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1429123116 744304 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429123165 810650 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429123211 713032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :their killing are bots
< 1429123233 650454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard, but how does this affect their sending emails?
< 1429123257 635554 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-229.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429123283 463982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, _are_ bots, lyke HackyGo hth
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< 1429123339 747084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'm guessing it gets so overloaded the email sending process dies, or something?
< 1429123440 801513 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1429123608 523508 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1429123791 604379 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1429124334 306886 :Hijiri!~oneechan@2607:f720:f00:4045:9e4e:36ff:fe14:c0d8 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1
< 1429124443 144144 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-229.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429124464 405716 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is HackEgo?   :(
< 1429124470 197377 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-229.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1429124636 822396 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1429124957 10967 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429124959 243391 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1429125111 901436 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429125126 141445 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429125256 463567 :villasukka!villasukka@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429125585 861054 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, we're hackegoless
< 1429125630 497803 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess he was https://esolangs.org/wiki/Intolerant !!!
< 1429125650 792184 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw that's not my esolang
< 1429125728 835980 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429125817 590247 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429125850 59631 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org isn't working for me
< 1429125879 871969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the wiki and HackEgo are on the same server.
< 1429125907 493086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi
< 1429125926 40877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a crappy one.
< 1429125939 135174 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my internet wasn't poor at all
< 1429125990 742223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor isn't even here
< 1429125998 62462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes fizzie 
< 1429126074 753222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the wiki is sort of trying to load for me
< 1429126075 65959 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429126095 627982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it won't.
< 1429126103 15823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :guessed wrong.
< 1429126114 832366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but horribly slow it is.
< 1429126202 497853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: lewie e. coyote
< 1429126373 684083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lewie is remembering the curses, he should have an epiphany soon
< 1429126873 891633 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429127024 563150 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429127216 224698 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if everything was a function
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< 1429127280 169919 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-229.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1429127280 227325 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429127386 86791 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rottytooth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42545&oldid=42243 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+13) 10
< 1429127489 321644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42546&oldid=42513 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+52) 10Hyperspace
< 1429127811 131116 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1429127950 95120 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1429127979 699922 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429128008 736968 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, it's another MWF comic now...
< 1429128133 918040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's Monday Wednesday Friday in case anyone is wondering, and a reply to oerjan.)
< 1429128218 456503 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429128287 857048 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fatniygcpjofiocf JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429128382 224789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully it will be regular now
< 1429128551 550150 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok, but what comic?
< 1429128561 893444 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yafgc
< 1429128573 825171 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with Lewie ;-)
< 1429128641 220340 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 210 seconds.
< 1429128697 430745 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hyperspace14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42547 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+1122) 10Created page with "{{stub}} ''And also, it is going to be impossible to draw a diagram to represent a program in this language.'' The '''Hyperspace programming language''' is an unbounded-dimens..."
< 1429128728 631027 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429128801 582484 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :any http experts here?   would i break something if i used the percent encoding for everything?
< 1429128818 696603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what do you mean by "everything"
< 1429128833 667020 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hey I was going to ask this question
< 1429128836 153028 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also those characters that don't need it
< 1429128854 816944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it depends
< 1429128856 301165 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hyperspace14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42548&oldid=42547 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+208) 10computational class section
< 1429128875 648468 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :on what
< 1429128980 830743 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-229.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429129025 727927 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on, it can't be turing complete
< 1429129044 326126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hyperspace14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42549&oldid=42548 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+14) 10
< 1429129050 51013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: it'll break /, maybe
< 1429129059 681574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since http://foo/a%2Fb isn't http://foo/a/b
< 1429129070 332663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since % "escapes" the special syntactic meaning that / has there
< 1429129079 794174 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i was thinking about a POST request
< 1429129086 341398 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the content has to be urlencoded
< 1429129107 551762 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for that example
< 1429129116 839488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds okay, I forget the syntax of POST bodies though
< 1429129127 335309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like URL queries? if so then I think escaping = and & will behave similarly
< 1429129136 308972 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1429129137 202126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's just "blah=" + overescape(blah) then it should be fine
< 1429129144 729892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in if it's just the one field)
< 1429129180 35387 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's happening to HackEgo
< 1429129196 430912 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429129210 796683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi
< 1429129221 571674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's having some problems I guess
< 1429129249 817223 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-229.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429129265 276664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it and the wiki are on a http://www.cloudatcost.com/ VPS that cost $35 for the rest of ever so they are unsurprisingly kind of reliable >_>
< 1429129269 294348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.
< 1429129270 596416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unreliable
< 1429129275 501575 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :My CaC (isn't that a great way to abbreviate that provider) server seems to be running fine right now.
< 1429129279 438312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...as in $35 one time.
< 1429129285 491792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not every month.
< 1429129297 345025 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're weird, a side business of a small Telco.
< 1429130128 171165 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429130277 863688 :Hijiri!~oneechan@2602:306:b85c:4820:1136:cba8:c96:20ba JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429130318 252053 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Babble14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42550 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+1465) 10added Babble
< 1429130443 847230 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1429130525 451825 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429130533 653405 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Warp14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42551 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+1399) 10Created page with "The '''Warp programming language''' is a derivative of [[Harp]], both by [[User:Rdococ]].  == Structure == Warp is much like Harp, with a single instruction which has two argu..."
< 1429130664 561052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZZZZ
< 1429130715 764575 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbounded vs infinite: if finite state automata could be infinitely large, they'd be as powerful as turing machines
< 1429131033 47012 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, forget it, scrap Warp
< 1429131078 474316 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait nvm
< 1429131138 957746 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Warp14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42552&oldid=42551 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+9) 10
< 1429131437 374341 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :greybug
< 1429131510 508963 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42553&oldid=42546 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+11) 10
< 1429131730 281261 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1429131747 536633 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429131773 562945 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429132098 925911 :greybug!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :izabera
< 1429132954 301837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1429132986 567350 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1429133011 452418 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1429133066 320682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429133419 362597 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Harp14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42554&oldid=42544 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+54) 10/* Interpreter */ modified Lua interpreter
< 1429133505 21044 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
< 1429133518 65615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Harp14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42555&oldid=42554 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+111) 10/* Interpreter */
< 1429133547 607234 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :function, can I call you?
< 1429133567 4983 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an argument?
< 1429133675 782647 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, you can
< 1429133680 475421 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, I *will* win though
< 1429133732 870782 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1429133736 2673 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :function(3)
< 1429133753 853753 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION executes rodgort 
< 1429133757 318342 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION executes rdococ 
< 1429133778 245134 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :running rdococ...
< 1429133790 853343 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World!
< 1429133833 13502 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finished. error code 0
< 1429133878 708596 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, :(
< 1429133946 44560 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won!
< 1429134087 155126 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills function's thread
< 1429134111 70428 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, um, I am multi-threaded
< 1429134116 786921 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :with respawn features
< 1429134120 610181 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I AM STILL ALIVE
< 1429134130 317663 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst case I become a zombie and eat brains
< 1429134246 677466 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not a function, are you
< 1429134257 839588 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you called function... why do people call you
< 1429134272 70510 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it? function calling?
< 1429134283 802998 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429134405 706904 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, you are right.  I am actually a mutable constant.
< 1429134486 689225 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me set you to 0
< 1429134489 763356 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :function = 0
< 1429134508 649369 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION calls himself
< 1429134517 510756 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION segfaults rdococ 
< 1429134591 669238 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 
< 1429134641 737219 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION protects against the violation
< 1429134665 879338 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uhm you know that stupid idea to create a language with the rubik's cubes?   to know if a command is valid you need to solve a np complete problem... etc
< 1429134674 820453 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how can someone call 0?
< 1429134765 451318 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, factorization is np complete...   so why not use this?   . 1 , 2 [ 3 ] 4 < 5 > 6 + 7 - 8        the input file is a list of numbers
< 1429134770 599765 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :space separated or whatever
< 1429134786 613779 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :factor each one, if it has 1-8 factors it's a valid command
< 1429134791 285618 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's a comment
< 1429134862 989044 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uhm this is cat:     6 30 2 6 210
< 1429134883 479788 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say so uhm too often
< 1429134924 344908 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uhm don't do that
< 1429134928 766208 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why :(
< 1429134961 411967 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorfuck eh
< 1429134972 309249 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice name ^^
< 1429135024 12761 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or brainfactor o_o
< 1429135044 968118 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1429135053 394559 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's less profane, too
< 1429135207 994818 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually
< 1429135215 207724 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it's np complete
< 1429135223 643279 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't actually need the factors
< 1429135227 623064 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :just how many of them
< 1429135232 256259 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429135310 130855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: so that's as hard as breaking RSA with large enough numbers, I guess?
< 1429135366 659896 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was the point
< 1429135387 109647 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with RSA you need to find the actual factors and not just the number of factors, o?
< 1429135388 677199 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no*
< 1429135408 861729 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, usually I would guess the number of factors is known to be 2 for RSA
< 1429135448 875553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, fair
< 1429135544 861106 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1429135559 471063 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429136587 31214 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429137501 657775 :v^!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:bd67:9d1e:178f:99e9 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429137567 629913 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1429137674 675476 :^v!~^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1429137724 700921 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429137967 221641 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if we interpreted programs like elements of a set
< 1429137992 434947 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :done
< 1429138101 807180 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :string S state T = S*(R^N) transition R = S*T program P = T^N
< 1429138144 147841 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd have set of all strings S, treat it like how you'd treat the set of all integers or rationals or reals, then you can do stuff
< 1429138163 37458 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1429138168 321861 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do stuff?
< 1429138173 23870 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1429138184 891144 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, omit transitions from the definition of a state
< 1429138215 492194 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :string S, state T = S, transition R = S*T, program P = (T*R)^N
< 1429138236 665912 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429138280 165848 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a state is a string, a transition is a set containing a string and a state, a program is a set containing sets containing a string and a state
< 1429138336 692617 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429138373 607342 :Froox!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429138425 634381 :Froo!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429138511 901070 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a set of all finite state automaton, then, would be ((C^N)*(C*(C^N)))^N, where C is the set of all natural numbers from 0 to 255, N is the set of all natural numbers
< 1429138523 493225 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're using characters instead of strings
< 1429138556 966366 :v^!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:bd67:9d1e:178f:99e9 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429138596 52243 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, program P could be a function mapping two numbers to one number
< 1429138605 782193 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p(x, y) = z
< 1429138608 879850 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1429138619 736900 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p(input, state) = newState
< 1429138640 596167 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using my sense of mathematics,
< 1429138680 636197 :Froox!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1429138710 492024 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429138745 447475 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a program could just be a series of derps
< 1429138748 760990 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A+B=C
< 1429138753 518074 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B+A=C
< 1429138760 288139 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other statements
< 1429138764 897575 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :opened+lock=closed
< 1429139106 228885 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1429139109 528061 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429139144 228715 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429139282 387530 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh variable's back!
< 1429139286 697792 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable = 3
< 1429139306 546109 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, OH NO
< 1429139318 456189 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, you can't set me the same value more than once
< 1429139334 503499 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're already 3?!
< 1429139345 746296 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :function f() return variable end
< 1429139348 321742 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f()
< 1429139369 450873 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 NICK :object
< 1429139393 48505 :object!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, I'm a first class object.
< 1429139398 299185 :object!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 NICK :rdococ
< 1429139470 512357 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1429139703 79135 :staffehn_!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429139709 745693 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429140182 102701 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will find a way to manufacture anti-sleep pills so I will never have to sleep again
< 1429140198 170436 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called coffee
< 1429140242 343193 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish
< 1429140257 5537 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait..
< 1429140260 297291 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it!
< 1429140271 116269 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will get my hands on coffee.
< 1429140290 134801 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody can stop me from my internet now!!!
< 1429140454 677381 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From personal experience I can tell you instant coffee can be about 5 times as strong as espresso if you put too much powder in. 
< 1429140486 678534 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it becomes closer to cocaine than espresso
< 1429140499 946224 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429140514 366050 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :espresso is a bit stronger than coffee from a moka pot,and drip coffee is like flavored water
< 1429140618 542705 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I have to have coffee?
< 1429140663 367136 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally, you should use freshly ground coffee beans, ys
< 1429140805 883381 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429140824 949024 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429141006 175663 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429141006 515775 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429141014 403097 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429141014 463091 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429141024 738356 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429141054 813830 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429141056 974920 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429141064 201761 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1429141064 635144 :fractal!~fractal@ns330231.ip-5-196-66.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1429141073 946693 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429141441 929618 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1429141573 740735 :fractal!~fractal@2001:41d0:a:fab8::1 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429142189 652575 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-1-14-66.dyn.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429142570 665141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1429143424 673652 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any reason that ddrescue on a non-damaged HD would be a bad idea?
< 1429143624 670972 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds rather harmless.
< 1429143656 383850 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be a waste of space, I guess
< 1429143676 171082 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think most of the HDs in question are 80GB or so, the 1TB one is questionably broken
< 1429143684 157841 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess ddrescue will tell me)
< 1429143691 196466 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, planning on buying an 8TB NAS
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< 1429144124 287905 :yorick_!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick NICK :yorick
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< 1429144247 488724 :Naviaux!63fcf195@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.252.241.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greetings everyone!
< 1429144293 928121 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1429144594 106178 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings to you!
< 1429144630 787385 :Naviaux!63fcf195@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.252.241.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you?!
< 1429145214 692804 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: If there aren't any read errors, ddrescue is basically just dd.
< 1429145326 965754 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429145453 305438 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1429145542 573698 :Naviaux!63fcf195@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.252.241.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if there is anyone that would like to help with making an esolang called Chronos
< 1429145948 316715 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1429146211 853191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42556&oldid=42542 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+9) 10It's stub
< 1429146324 315550 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript/HTML interpreter14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42557&oldid=42538 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+9) 10
< 1429146548 540691 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42558&oldid=42516 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+60) 10/* G */
< 1429146804 306631 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429146824 953543 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can ddrescue be badly screwed up? Other than by forgetting to use a logfile, I mean
< 1429146861 251890 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, webchat sucks, it disconnected and this fact was not obvious until I tried to send a message
< 1429146913 220570 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, am I liable to do the wrong thing and regret ever using ddrescue? And should just send an HD (potentially with personal information) to professional data recovery service?
< 1429146920 276605 :magician!~magician@31.203.146.52 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429147063 370629 :Guest3780!~magician@31.203.146.52 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1429147632 227156 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429147735 373022 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk
< 1429148583 606045 :Naviaux!63fcf195@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.252.241.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one? D:
< 1429148747 799016 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1429148969 104566 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :konbanwa
< 1429148990 840543 :Naviaux!63fcf195@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.252.241.149 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1429149021 437622 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I try my hand at translating a manga?
< 1429149899 129035 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42559&oldid=42556 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+51) 10
< 1429150100 606737 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42560&oldid=42559 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+17) 10/* Escape sequence */
< 1429150836 184794 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429151146 165946 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[02Gibberish10]] to [[Gibberish (programming language)]]: disambiguation?
< 1429151146 400506 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[02Talk:Gibberish10]] to [[Talk:Gibberish (programming language)]]: disambiguation?
< 1429151318 6462 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fatniygcpjofiocf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1429151335 517455 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42565&oldid=42562 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (-6) 10Redirected page to [[Gibberish (disambiguation)]]
< 1429151379 582462 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++++++[>++++++++<-]> > +++++[>+++++<-]>+ [ [->>+<<]>> [-<+<+>>]<- ] <[<]< [->>[+>]<[<]<] >> [.>]
< 1429151381 372226 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba
< 1429151381 451516 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba
< 1429151381 505846 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba
< 1429151400 617895 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote it *.*
< 1429151550 848423 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish (disambiguation)14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42566 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+65) 10Created page with "* [[Gibberish (programming language)]] * [[Gibberish/JavaScript]]"
< 1429151555 105111 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf <+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
< 1429151555 206758 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1429151555 273311 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1429151555 699744 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!
< 1429151678 202228 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++++++[>++++++++++>++<<-]>++>++[<.->-]
< 1429151678 297085 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba
< 1429151678 351501 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba
< 1429151678 835721 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba
< 1429151738 941970 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::C
< 1429151751 797759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish (programming language)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42567&oldid=42561 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+31) 10
< 1429151826 726016 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is very offended
< 1429151846 930087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: might want to turn that off in here, or at least make it only run once per line :p
< 1429151964 219338 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the ! wasn't meant to convey anything, it's just the first non-whitespace printable character, and i wanted to check if the bf interpreter lets you go left of starting point
< 1429151972 893868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ c.c \o/
< 1429151973 6761 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | c.c.c |
< 1429151973 72299 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | c.c.c |
< 1429151973 126669 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  >\ c.c  |\
< 1429151973 181045 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /`\ c.c  |\
< 1429151980 239066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow um that last line broke a bit
< 1429151983 855384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate
< 1429151983 999681 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
< 1429151984 239662 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c |  ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69   | c.c.c |   `\o/´69  ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c |
< 1429151984 307560 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c |  ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69   | c.c.c |   `\o/´69  ¯|¯⌠ ¦ c.c.c |
< 1429151984 362000 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |\ c.c /^\ /| |   |    /'\ c.c /|     |    /< |/<  c.c  >\
< 1429151984 416371 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/'\ c.c  |\ /| |   |    /'\ c.c  >\    |     |\|´¸¨ c.c /|
< 1429151986 479312 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  /´\              (_|¯`\
< 1429151987 479552 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                (_| |_)                 |_)
< 1429151988 579883 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  /'\              (_|¯`\
< 1429151989 627903 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                (_| |_)                 |_)
< 1429152001 536827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is everything running twice or something
< 1429152020 775503 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of c.c
< 1429152020 908004 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                    c.c.c
< 1429152021 21917 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                     c.c
< 1429152021 160932 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                    c.c.c
< 1429152021 245115 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                     c.c
< 1429152033 593914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant to be a multiocular o
< 1429152039 349867 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1429152042 429542 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c
< 1429152045 675300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : c.c
< 1429152045 802524 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 c.c.c
< 1429152045 869828 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  c.c
< 1429152046 145646 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 c.c.c
< 1429152046 200115 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  c.c
< 1429152049 971533 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :   o.o
< 1429152052 239794 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.-
< 1429152053 951997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... getting kind of messed up by everything running twice though
< 1429152081 284136 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks on weechat :\
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< 1429152217 995168 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/Z5HUya/raw
< 1429152264 762375 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +[+]
< 1429152265 273980 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429152299 330731 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +[>+]
< 1429152299 892700 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
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< 1429152436 70815 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone else disturbed by the small penis in this part of the drawing?   /`\
< 1429152449 757881 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42568&oldid=42558 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+33) 10/* G */
< 1429152534 284251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you prefer it be larger? >_>
< 1429152546 866923 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42569&oldid=42518 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+33) 10/* Gibberish */
< 1429152610 534790 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_<
< 1429152644 808431 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42570&oldid=42560 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+23) 10/* See also */
< 1429152786 274366 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07EsoInterpreters14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42571&oldid=42121 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+33) 10/* Main table */
< 1429152854 159542 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42572&oldid=42076 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+33) 10/* Gibberish */
< 1429152905 996313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Marinus/Brainfuck interpreters14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42573&oldid=20310 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+33) 10/* Gibberish */
< 1429153044 806826 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish (disambiguation)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42574&oldid=42566 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+41) 10
< 1429153101 203009 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Marinus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42575&oldid=38074 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+33) 10
< 1429153121 373710 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wofhwacinjeckltm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429153183 621073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Marinus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42576&oldid=42575 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+33) 10
< 1429153223 407484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Javawizard14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42577&oldid=16780 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+33) 10
< 1429153285 951888 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut
< 1429153290 327245 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is very wrong here
< 1429153326 375987 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does everything run twice :(
< 1429153362 236219 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, haha
< 1429153364 408090 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet
< 1429153368 521782 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is my work client and one is my home client
< 1429153369 126423 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1429153381 629544 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Quintopia14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42578&oldid=40213 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+33) 10/* Interpreters written in Python */
< 1429153395 784170 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unloaded here
< 1429153399 264057 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... \o/
< 1429153407 878041 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i imagine the work one is locked up from the bf hax above
< 1429153417 296243 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1429153418 142423 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't write it defensively :P
< 1429153923 537146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate
< 1429153923 630699 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
< 1429153931 507072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip.
< 1429154419 168797 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1429154425 766404 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i could load it up again but then i'd just have to turn it off again
< 1429154442 867676 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 clients 1 bnc KeKeKe
< 1429154584 672886 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I try to use Gimp I just wish I was using MS Pailnt
< 1429154640 599486 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pailnt" is an interesting word.
< 1429154675 244031 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can barely pronounce it as one syllable
< 1429154762 209978 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously Gimp has an awful user interface
< 1429154809 932421 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably ponounce it like Pail'nt, or pailent with a silent e.
< 1429154875 536408 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, right. I'll just use Wine to run paint.net
< 1429154892 826730 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about KPaint or something?
< 1429154922 38229 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have paint.net already installed on my other partition, so meh
< 1429154929 806172 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1429154957 482631 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... it isn't working
< 1429154968 686117 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try mono?
< 1429155015 698613 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming that ".net" means that it's a dotnet program.)
< 1429155074 87461 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like people have been saying good things about "pinta"
< 1429155128 377053 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yes this is exactly what I want
< 1429155147 619078 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it is basically the same as MS paint
< 1429155166 314345 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the version before Windows 8 ruined everything forever)
< 1429155259 116937 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pinta is ... modeled after Paint.NET", so, yes it seems like exaktly what you want.
< 1429155276 224853 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 7 ruined paint
< 1429155278 774572 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and minesweeper)
< 1429155281 739705 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still get paint xp
< 1429155291 476745 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mspaintxp.com/
< 1429155344 287369 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 7 paint was bad too? I jumped (was forced to jump) from XP to 8
< 1429155363 581854 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 ~ 8 as far as paint is concerned, i think
< 1429155696 221164 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1429157384 418096 :Froo!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1429157929 843373 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to mount, read-only, a raw image file located on the network
< 1429157934 272348 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How terrible an idea is this?
< 1429158787 645087 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the terriblosity would depend on what kind of network it is
< 1429159030 236531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429159211 253520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spends 2 hours writing an unusually long ghc trac post only to have it start breaking down just before he's ready to submit.
< 1429159212 553191 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohayoerjan!
< 1429159221 51085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren
< 1429159261 918480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it posted
< 1429159274 887334 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never trust in-browser text editing
< 1429159308 216762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither, i _did_ have enough clue to copy it first
< 1429159320 584085 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Google Docs for that 
< 1429159327 895988 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safer than most forms
< 1429159348 31017 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my browser i can launch a terminal with vim by pressing C-e in any editable area
< 1429159358 426277 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dwb
< 1429159369 211588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already have vim open, i just didn't use it to write
< 1429159395 371283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trac has the nice feature of automatic preview, as long as it isn't half-dying
< 1429159445 391401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i did this instead of sleeping argh
< 1429159468 302723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(figured once i started thinking mathy i wouldn't get any sleep anyway)
< 1429159475 604096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*any more sleep
< 1429159572 260179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a good thing that after this is fixed Typeable will be bulletproof
< 1429159590 503125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1429159601 239814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that sarcasm)
< 1429159615 765341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE
< 1429159770 432878 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this esowiki guy is nothing if not thorough
< 1429160045 486390 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think haskell is a pretty cool guy, eyht makes evrything a manod and doesn't afraid of anything.  
< 1429160090 499251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slips oren ZipList
< 1429160100 540658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE'S YOUR MONAD NOW
< 1429160119 423647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: diagonalization hth
< 1429160147 495712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: doesn't obey the laws hth
< 1429160157 374178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everyone thinks it does hth
< 1429160175 335567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they don't, it's the goto "this cannot be a monad" example
< 1429160223 809058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Cont is the goto monad example hth
< 1429160241 392418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1429160256 785401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you can probably make a better goto monad than Cont.
< 1429160295 431697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :inconzzzzzzievable
< 1429160295 576162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd want to be able to jump forwards as well as backwards.
< 1429160315 942248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i missing a pun
< 1429160328 514928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm just wondering whether i should go back to bed
< 1429160349 129578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time oerjan
< 1429160350 120725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Thu Apr 16 07:00:50 2015
< 1429160361 337236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's time to wake up hth
< 1429160380 781676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did that > 3 hours ago tdnh
< 1429160428 219132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indeed, this would have been the perfect time if i hadn't woken up too early
< 1429160457 166930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1429160736 385850 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429161234 935587 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429161746 944205 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1429162161 449778 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429162628 486977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<izabera> well, factorization is np complete... [...] <-- that is neither believed nor proved.
< 1429162697 634112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not the usual way of thinking of it.
< 1429162777 673519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell izabera <izabera> well, factorization is np complete... [...] <-- that is neither believed nor proved.  at least not the usual way of defining it.
< 1429162777 783430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1429163376 398069 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry i meant np
< 1429163422 249142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy things are also np
< 1429163471 320692 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i meant it takes ridiculously long on large enough inputs
< 1429163480 297465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT MAY Be
< 1429163484 130267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1429163486 99396 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fucking ever
< 1429163495 753391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides his secret quantum computer
< 1429164726 756501 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: It's not believed to be in P
< 1429164733 169295 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are confusing "in NP" with "NP-complete"
< 1429164824 544737 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares -.-
< 1429164997 745671 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I
< 1429165048 775486 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ragequit
< 1429165049 200296 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have already forgotten, mostly, what P and NP even mean, but NPC means "at least as hard as everything in NP"
< 1429165063 988903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :npc means non-player character actually
< 1429165069 214608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :np means no problem
< 1429165074 833986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any more questions, nerds
< 1429165090 978282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you call people nerds?
< 1429165124 36704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not people, they're just NP-complete, obviously
< 1429165128 407943 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he's emulating Piccolo from DBZA?
< 1429165152 920084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. that is what I do all day, 24/7/365
< 1429165157 893051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably only faux-rude, but i don't particularly like it
< 1429165162 556466 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is the a in dbza
< 1429165162 654514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1429165170 759678 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abridged
< 1429165201 639601 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dragon ballz abridged, the famous comedy youtube redub of DBZ
< 1429165253 644874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dragon ballz just looks like the plural of dragon ball
< 1429165259 103395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, most dragons have 2 dragon ballz
< 1429165288 410352 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0Wc50iEOtc
< 1429165386 867447 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1429165723 182526 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :watched episode 1
< 1429165725 532815 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stupid
< 1429165784 291331 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ep 1 of what?
< 1429165797 238541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(besides, don't judge from just one episode.)
< 1429165849 753976 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say i'm not going to watch the rest
< 1429166237 763865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep rainy forecast
< 1429166281 448144 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar cyyz
< 1429166281 852683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 160600Z 00000KT 15SM SCT240 05/M02 A3040 RMK CI4 SLP298
< 1429166598 588615 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1429167607 89867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1429167607 438540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 160650Z 26020KT 9999 -RASN FEW005 SCT009 BKN011 02/01 Q1002 TEMPO 4000 SHRASNGS BKN010CB RMK WIND 670FT 27021KT
< 1429167659 280526 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this
< 1429167689 343603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :airport weather reports
< 1429167778 871852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :forecast says it's not going to rain here though, for today
< 1429167789 565384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tomorrow it might)
< 1429167998 309652 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1429168317 587545 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429169975 915078 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly relevant/interesting paper: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.1895v1.pdf
< 1429170035 88017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.1895v1 hth
< 1429170138 175511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from which you can learn that there's a new version
< 1429170712 674664 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1429170718 918992 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know you could do that
< 1429170725 786982 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just given the link direct to the PDF
< 1429170747 335259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"always link to the abstract" hth
< 1429170794 47165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing, there's links only one way, otherwise you need to know the format
< 1429170803 850357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they should use a better url scheme hth
< 1429170805 817851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*url format
< 1429170851 994016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: true, it's a bit awkward to guess
< 1429170872 766421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the past i deleted the .pdf, and it put it back in
< 1429170883 12226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i gave up on guessing the right url and just pasted the pdf link in
< 1429171492 767764 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Read error: No route to host
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< 1429172143 698637 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone remember when I started to learn Haskell?
< 1429172194 120895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wild guess: shortly after you came here
< 1429172212 620886 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07-18 11:26:19( Taneb) Haskell installed
< 1429172228 434828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haskell
< 1429172230 528582 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, that feels later than it should be
< 1429172237 507282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1429172304 333834 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day earlier 2011-07-17 14:55:47( Taneb) Well, I'm not going to learn Haskell just yet
< 1429172316 791488 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm
< 1429172583 328232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that was just the day after the hexham revelation.
< 1429172591 686772 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm
< 1429172597 30416 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came to this channel later than I though
< 1429172597 493274 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1429172602 110673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, pretty fast
< 1429172625 571033 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeez, I was already 16 when I got here?
< 1429172671 275023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about what i thought
< 1429172691 558636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you _briefly_ visited some time earlier
< 1429172962 548802 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like this has been part of my life for much longer
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< 1429173572 333974 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429173701 60357 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42579&oldid=42294 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+245) 10/* Sample program */ Added cat program and multiple sample programs formatting
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< 1429174515 618970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I was 11
< 1429174653 879679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wikipedia is renaming accounts to get global logins
< 1429174661 421418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wikimedia
< 1429174721 589487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine seems to stay, but i accidentally got to see the talk page message about Oerjan@wiktionary
< 1429174729 930218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is messy...
< 1429174752 698349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that he would care, hasn't been around since 2007)
< 1429174777 820067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't _think_ it's me, anyway, i don't recognize those edits.
< 1429175058 57534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429175541 729800 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I can tell I'm still young, because none of the languages I know has become obsolete yet
< 1429175599 682297 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas my dad knows Perl 3 and Fortran or something
< 1429175609 169761 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore is old
< 1429175659 180311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves from Pascal-land
< 1429175751 881744 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Perl as glue is dying in favor of python as glue though... so it won't be long...
< 1429175856 923398 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not
< 1429175955 328747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's the bizarro-oerjan, your goateed evil counterpart.
< 1429176006 567776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ørjan
< 1429176046 585650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you've got it backwards hth also HackEgo is damn slow
< 1429176156 229647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is slow.
< 1429176160 555741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's the VPS provider.
< 1429176164 612573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it just wasn't working?
< 1429176177 862124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki bridge was working less than an hour ago.
< 1429176194 509890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but ` hasn't been working for much longer than that.
< 1429176199 65043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1429176218 810744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1429176235 450549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems plausible, given the logs.
< 1429176237 534887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh the wiki is up
< 1429176264 475165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember it getting stuck once, due to a thing that I fixed.
< 1429176279 715485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was something related to file permissions, some bit had gone missing.
< 1429176291 702400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I didn't write down the details, because where's the fun in that? 
< 1429176311 710480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1429176320 228597 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it worked a few days ago
< 1429176323 308420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hello
< 1429176339 848794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls some time when `help worked but not user commands
< 1429176356 172764 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping
< 1429176361 808379 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429176367 739544 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably go to sleep
< 1429176456 958666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's also being slow-ish over SSH, especially if I try to do anything disk-related. But that's probably not the main problem.
< 1429176514 111654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting.
< 1429176533 169569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not on the channel, that's what's up.
< 1429176551 244181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um according to my tab completion, it is
< 1429176562 108299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to my /n, it's not.
< 1429176570 4643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps your tab completion is based on incoming messages.
< 1429176573 413584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's /n
< 1429176604 270501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it's based on /quits etc.
< 1429176607 351193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1429176609 58978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a nicely-formatted 'WHO', but it could also be based on 'NAMES'. I'm not entirely sure.
< 1429176617 888047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PART :#esoteric
< 1429176617 992553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429176633 877399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok there it was gone
< 1429176649 662974 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429176654 158445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there it is.
< 1429176666 271912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was some kind of irc network failure, actually
< 1429176672 542403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ørjan
< 1429176673 318839 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers.
< 1429176679 897121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1429176724 742032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't realize we're so non-'+n' inclusive we allow messages from people not on the channel.)
< 1429176756 377743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1429176767 266782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's irssi getting confused, right
< 1429176852 33845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, HackEgo never was here since i joined, so it must have been the wiki announcement that did it
< 1429176874 645548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think it's an experiment?
< 1429176911 662733 :dfgsiudgfsuifgs!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you tab-complete *this*?
< 1429176927 381309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is the first time a problem has appeared with -n
< 1429176930 698706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfgsiudgfsuifgs: yep
< 1429176953 218856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, that i've noticed anyway
< 1429176977 378319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you'll presumably have that stuck in your tab-completion list, since it won't get any part/quit.
< 1429177009 405090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe people have messaged from out of channel left and right, and i never noticed they weren't here.
< 1429177122 836466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An evil person could make tab-completion arbitrarily difficult by making conflicting prefixes for every nick at every length.
< 1429177330 942379 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the solution is obvious: only allow single letter nicknames. (Good morning!)
< 1429177424 829190 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :fizzia
< 1429177432 221623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1429177497 701912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PART :#esoteric
< 1429177497 752907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429177602 34846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i made a new trac post in the thread
< 1429177616 664779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume since i didn't get a Cc: you didn't either
< 1429177663 7297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with an actual proof.
< 1429177670 368420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#esoteric: Total of 104 nicks" that's a bit problematic for single-letter (printable ASCII not-reserved-by-IRC) names.
< 1429177716 710885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1429177760 798348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 104 normal]"  I'm not sure that last word is exactly the right one.
< 1429177940 162339 :fizzia!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a depilator.
< 1429177981 246793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all matter of hairy business, including splitting
< 1429178009 797198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*manner
< 1429178072 783223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, I think irssi's tab-complete is based on last-one-who-spoke-first-on-the-list, which would make that less efficient.
< 1429178094 840212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1429178403 505802 :fizzia!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi has intelligent tab-completion yes.
< 1429179064 163921 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1429179270 420694 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that can't be, my plan was perfect!
< 1429179444 722791 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :Foiled by numbers | Dilapitated depilators | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1429179457 975604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: btw if you see any fatal flaw in my proof (including any form of Typeable-capable types that don't fit in either branch of argument) that might mean another exploit that works against spj's fix.
< 1429179505 550828 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429179560 817890 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe later. I'm not sure what you mean by "kind-ambiguous" right now, which means I don't know why the list you gave is exhaustive.
< 1429179881 682184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, basically, any two type constructors with the same TypeRep, which afaik now only happens because of the */Constraint ambiguity in (), (,), ..., -> / =>
< 1429179948 837927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Haskell distinguishes them, but core doesn't, and the kind parameters for Typeable are extracted from core.
< 1429179996 406264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well not quite core maybe, but the upshot is this list has no kind parameters that get used for the TypeRep.
< 1429180035 840562 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429180078 742349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bofternoily
< 1429180499 80047 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boe matrjan!
< 1429183817 185458 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LIBERATED CHICKEN
< 1429185518 854463 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wofhwacinjeckltm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1429187847 819154 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429188601 516923 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1429189123 305935 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1429189179 699349 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk
< 1429190398 654592 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Quit: byeannes
< 1429190758 541278 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429192181 375782 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`oeis 16271255119687320314
< 1429192183 175682 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: oeis: not found
< 1429192348 590861 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-53-169.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429192406 274542 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@124-149-53-169.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Client Quit
< 1429192626 423848 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikfnvdisksqdurkm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429192808 793594 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 16271255119687320314
< 1429192809 119748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1429192821 384403 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 16271255119687320314
< 1429192821 920995 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16271255119687320314: 2 19 137 3989 61519 12736309
< 1429192831 35293 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1 2 4 8 15
< 1429192833 487498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Tetranacci numbers: a(n) = a(n-1) + a(n-2) + a(n-3) + a(n-4) with a(0)=a(1)=...
< 1429192886 714890 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429193008 999903 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: unless I made a mistake, it's the number of sets of squares of a 8x8 chessboard such that each row and each column has some but not all squares in the subset
< 1429193045 859659 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google 16271255119687320314
< 1429193046 346090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Result Found.
< 1429193054 743276 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone should check that
< 1429193062 143679 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have miscounted
< 1429193131 218466 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so relations on {1..8} with full domain and codomain?
< 1429193197 477558 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes 
< 1429193210 19341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1429193212 92862 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno
< 1429193217 20254 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean?
< 1429193250 951475 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the domain of a relation in that sense?
< 1429193260 673555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :domain and codomain are defined by dom(R) = {a | (a,b) in R}; cod(R) = {b | (a,b) in R}.
< 1429193270 663436 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no
< 1429193275 429848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only restricts rows
< 1429193291 887138 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case there would be (2**8-2)**8 such relations
< 1429193296 86585 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I restrict both rows and columns
< 1429193323 789659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Surely you mean 255^8, not 254^8. But you're wrong.
< 1429193336 401780 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean 254**8
< 1429193345 175573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1429193349 658783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the codomain is teh columns
< 1429193351 506994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1429193394 647828 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case I want relations such that the domain and codomain is full, and also the domain and codomain of the negation (complement) of that relation are also full
< 1429193414 273338 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I missed that.
< 1429193421 250972 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I'm confused
< 1429193424 976437 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's... ugly.
< 1429193459 403696 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably why it's not in oeis
< 1429193668 927435 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want chessboards with no monochromatic ranks or files
< 1429193781 728126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :254^8
< 1429193786 77609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong window
< 1429193819 691024 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: yes, black and white chessboards with no monochromatic ranks or files
< 1429193830 900454 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 254^8
< 1429193831 516443 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1.73249e19
< 1429193878 711170 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf '\x03,%dx' {0..33}
< 1429193879 770541 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​,0x,1x,2x,3x,4x,5x,6x,7x,8x,9x,10x,11x,12x,13x,14x,15x,16x,17x,18x,19x,20x,21x,22x,23x,24x,25x,26x,27x,28x,29x,30x,31x,32x,33x
< 1429193893 859477 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf '\x03%dx' {0..33}
< 1429193894 737073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0x1x2x3x4x5x6x7x8x9x10x11x12x13x14x15x16x17x18x19x20x21x22x23x24x25x26x27x28x29x30x31x32x33x
< 1429194216 708149 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let c n 0 = 1; c n k = c (n-1) (k-1); f n = (2^n - 2)^n + sum [(-1)^k * (2^((n-k)*n) * (2^k - 2) + (2^(n-k)-1)^n*2) * c n k | k <- [1..n]] in map f [1..8]
< 1429194218 335608 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,4,174,34204,22874190,55079812684,496433383427646,17190560520625432252]
< 1429194232 975522 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch.
< 1429194240 205309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let c n 0 = 1; c n k = c (n-1) (k-1) * n `div` k; f n = (2^n - 2)^n + sum [(-1)^k * (2^((n-k)*n) * (2^k - 2) + (2^(n-k)-1)^n*2) * c n k | k <- [1..n]] in map f [1..8]
< 1429194241 536160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,2,102,22874,17633670,46959933962,451575174961302,16271255119687320314]
< 1429194274 424080 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 16271255119687320314=16271255119687320314
< 1429194275 60815 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1
< 1429194287 20360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how does that computation work?
< 1429194293 161512 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a more complicated computation
< 1429194339 71711 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429194352 678098 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inclusion-exclusion principle: Starting from (2^k-2)^n solutions satisfying the column criterion, it computes how many of those have k=1..8 equal rows.
< 1429194353 29108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it some kind of sieve
< 1429194371 846241 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1429194379 394415 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered if something like that would work
< 1429194401 26076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eventually wrote a computation that's more complicated, though still fast for 8x8 on a computer
< 1429194454 616871 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that gives a c n k factor (for selecting the k equal rows), and then (2^k - 2) cases with 2^((n-k)*n) solutions (where the monochromatic rows have mixed colors) and 2 cases with (2^(n-k)-1)^n solutions because the monochromatic rows all have the same color.
< 1429194469 595920 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't you need to multiply by a binomial somewhere?
< 1429194478 574733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :c n k is a binomial.
< 1429194482 678612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, c
< 1429194506 23462 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 0 2 102 22874
< 1429194506 673362 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1429194621 764707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my solution: http://rextester.com/QNQCE30194
< 1429194696 833193 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is running time as function of boardsize?
< 1429194712 265642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: of my solution? exponential
< 1429194740 931173 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exponential in n or in n^2 for an nxn board?
< 1429194741 864384 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :O((3+epsilon)**width) I think
< 1429194752 60888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :exponential in n for an nxn board
< 1429194779 635105 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you compute this with the inclusion-exclusion formula?
< 1429194790 211503 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but this occurred to me first
< 1429194795 825712 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: scroll back a bit :)
< 1429194809 915260 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inclusion-exclusion formula int-e shows is a better way
< 1429194838 703645 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you're ahead of me, int-e :)
< 1429194844 67301 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I think mine could be optimized to a somewhat more complicated polynomial time solution
< 1429194858 847880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no
< 1429194861 327592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1429194867 170025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it could be
< 1429194893 893592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have a somewhat higher exponent but whatever
< 1429194897 355368 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't implement that though
< 1429195095 751824 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least https://oeis.org/A048291 exists
< 1429195382 565438 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, my 19x19 go computation is still going...
< 1429195459 296056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, this is a strange channel, I give a computation and two people try to implement it rightaway
< 1429195467 996280 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: or are you computing something else?
< 1429195491 866768 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm computing the number of legal 19x19 Go positions, which is somewhat more involved:)
< 1429195497 42429 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429195500 63796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more difficult
< 1429195520 155633 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should get finished this year though
< 1429195635 467374 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lesser known programming languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42580&oldid=7995 5* 0350.23.113.210 5* (+51) 10
< 1429195726 826240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lesser known programming languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42581&oldid=42580 5* 03B jonas 5* (-51) 10revert spam by User:50.23.113.210
< 1429195843 984106 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429196273 302598 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: do you know the answer modulo some primes (2^64-ish, I guess) already?
< 1429196403 986805 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Babble14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42582&oldid=42550 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+34) 10clarity
< 1429196440 395766 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429196456 251020 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Babble14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42583&oldid=42582 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+16) 10/* Concept */
< 1429196519 585486 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it will take another 6 weeks or so to get the first congruence (mod 2^64)
< 1429196556 587151 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see the progress at http://tromp.github.io/go/legal.html
< 1429196919 214203 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429196929 989793 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1429197163 966524 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429197328 4100 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1429197342 439810 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: since I'm so [not
< 1429197349 247546 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid enter key
< 1429197369 754121 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: since I'm so [not] kind, I'll elevate you to a first class object... lol... get it?
< 1429197379 722490 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? :c
< 1429197736 685587 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? you're computing it modulo something?
< 1429197794 402815 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: modulo several things, to be combined by the chinese remainder theorem to obtain the full answer
< 1429197807 654028 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but how does that help in this case?
< 1429197822 561167 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it helps keeping the numbers to machine word size
< 1429197831 724886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but you're traversing a graph
< 1429197837 330423 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a complicated graph
< 1429197846 101262 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it better to do all the computations at once?
< 1429197849 970081 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it doesn't have to be radixal
< 1429197855 15472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all the congruences at the same time
< 1429197869 447110 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just have to apply chinese remainder once at the very end, which is very quick
< 1429197890 369798 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to computing the result with one modulus first
< 1429197916 321645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you run out of RAM?
< 1429197996 469217 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is almost IO bound
< 1429198029 962608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3^20 -- too low because it doesn't take connectivity into account.
< 1429198031 152710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3486784401
< 1429198032 111728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe it's just that you don't know any more efficient way to parallize the problem
< 1429198059 553083 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with filesize proportional to number of state-cnt pairs  that can be held in memory
< 1429198111 131692 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: sure, but if you eg. computed the values modulo some 128 bit number instead of 64 bit number, how much larger would the io work become? twice larger, or just 1.1 larger?
< 1429198119 400481 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/1.1/1.1 times/
< 1429198119 528747 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: will you do 19×17 too, afterwards?  To complete all {1..19}×{1..19} combinations
< 1429198135 777861 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so with 566 bit counts, you cldn't hold many states in memory, and get files with few states, which makes IO a much bigger problem
< 1429198139 54817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 363324268018 / 3^20
< 1429198140 366269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 104.200382425079
< 1429198172 310807 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will do all 19xn, n up to 20
< 1429198199 967976 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1429198203 481758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: do you get separate counts for black to go next and white to go next?
< 1429198205 80379 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: about 1.9 times larger
< 1429198227 530316 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: I see. in that case parallelizing this way _might_ help, if you read the io sequentially enough
< 1429198236 886038 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm counting positions. there is no notoin of who is to move
< 1429198240 78337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine how this could work
< 1429198251 294036 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1429198319 921759 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Allowing for some redundancy, we need from 10 to 13 servers, each with at least 32 cores, 512GB RAM, and ample disk space (10-15TB), running for about 3-5 months." -- this disk space seems quite tightly calculated.
< 1429198351 218153 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(going by the 363324268018 number)
< 1429198365 336842 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each "vector" takes about 4.3TB
< 1429198401 492708 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 363324268018 * 8 -- plus some allowance for efficient access?
< 1429198403 958082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2906594144144
< 1429198434 805850 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each modulus needs at least the current and new vector, but preferably also the previous and an  older one for error recovery
< 1429198481 117688 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you need between 1 and 2 bytes on avg for the state-delta
< 1429198516 946707 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the vectors have states duplicated
< 1429198574 246963 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each state could occur up to 3 times, in different files of a state vector
< 1429198602 768726 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 cores, 512GB of ram
< 1429198615 726549 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most duplicates are alrd eliminated by the in-memory sorting
< 1429198618 298642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to this, we work with small data and quick computations
< 1429198635 157841 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont actually need 512GB that was rather conservative
< 1429198645 479361 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can manage with 128GB
< 1429198680 876135 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main requirement is high disk IO bandwidth
< 1429198705 960822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429198720 661152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even still, the beefyest machine I use here has 32GB of ram only, and 24 cores, though it does have a RAID with like twenty terabytes of disk space and fast IO bandwidth because we're recording raw image data quickly and compressing it later
< 1429198736 167982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking about what you said, and you're right
< 1429198771 889414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only need to handle the case with identical reduce actions for any possible lookahead token (the reduce action can be a one symbol reduce), not the case of an identical shift
< 1429198821 130889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1429198854 834706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, it's a NUMA machine)
< 1429198884 765523 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and with a crazy fast CPU)
< 1429198947 546338 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :off to lunch. bbl
< 1429199240 966476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1429199680 363529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
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< 1429201351 563866 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Bye
< 1429201814 808268 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder
< 1429201847 876242 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is an OISC with a command to copy the bit at one address to a second, then flip the first, turing complete
< 1429201934 597705 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1 3 9 31 113
< 1429201935 444736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : G.f.: (1-sqrt(1-4x-4x^2))/(2(1+x)).[0,1,1,3,9,31,113,431,1697,6847,28161,117...
< 1429201954 37564 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1 3 9 31 113 435
< 1429201954 352736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found.
< 1429202181 96906 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429202463 518598 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1 2
< 1429202465 444614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : []
< 1429202481 844341 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1 1 2
< 1429202494 8350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fibonacci numbers: F(n) = F(n-1) + F(n-2) with F(0) = 0 and F(1) = 1.[0,1,1,...
< 1429203016 668253 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even noticed a spambot got hold of my talk page...
< 1429203024 601650 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
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< 1429203450 169218 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429203693 737415 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a finite state automaton could be a described as a finite set of ordered triples p = {(x,y,z)}.
< 1429203738 860317 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they're numbers, then you can make a raster image with it
< 1429203857 286193 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you have infinite color depth
< 1429203871 758141 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or atleast unbounded, so
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< 1429206127 567327 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored
< 1429206146 34625 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429206190 528714 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do programs have to exist
< 1429206254 578844 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try #philosphy
< 1429206283 681073 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error: unknown channel
< 1429206289 291216 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#philosophy
< 1429206307 284119 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope must be invited
< 1429206340 152972 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and apparently I'm banned from ##philosophy -.- forgot how notorious I look
< 1429206360 896395 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel so lonely... nearly every channel rejects me...
< 1429206380 990307 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always the lonely one... the weird one...
< 1429206384 34322 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?!
< 1429206506 949060 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well atleast this channel still likes me
< 1429206824 291695 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't like monologues
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< 1429207130 862982 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: #9858 comment 90 would be more helpful if the required extensions had been listed... I've narrowed it down to KindSignatures + ScopedTypeVariables + TypeFamilies for the first one and PolyKinds + ScopedTypeFamilies for the second one. Interestingly, TypeFamilies seems to be essential for the first one...
< 1429207234 747804 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, GADTs works as well.
< 1429207637 76578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me read your sieve formula, I tried to reproduce the sieve but got the wrong result
< 1429207642 975090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1429207647 829955 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to multiply by a power of 2
< 1429207673 275912 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, still wrong
< 1429207718 827602 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let c n 0 = 1; c n k = c (n-1) (k-1) * n `div` k; f n = (2^n - 2)^n + sum [(-1)^k * (2^((n-k)*n) * (2^k - 2) + (2^(n-k)-1)^n*2) * c n k | k <- [1..n]] in map f [1..8]
< 1429207720 297882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,2,102,22874,17633670,46959933962,451575174961302,16271255119687320314]
< 1429207756 428691 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let { c n 0 = 1; c n k = c (n-1) (k-1) * n `div` k; } in map (c 8) [0..8]
< 1429207757 818262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,8,28,56,70,56,28,8,1]
< 1429207822 502831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1429207859 312347 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's different from the formula I tried
< 1429207984 250763 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait, mine gives the wrong result already for a 2x2 chessboard
< 1429207986 639197 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me debug it
< 1429208103 155012 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... wait
< 1429208106 151067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is completely wrong
< 1429208108 57530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try again
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< 1429208977 516743 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first get 1x1 correct (0)
< 1429209007 559937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: that one was correct, and 0x0 too
< 1429209016 86555 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 1x2 and 2x1 (also 0)
< 1429209141 952360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the formula I used is just wrong, and I know why
< 1429209148 818848 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just have to try to write the correct formula now
< 1429209153 89084 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer for 2xn is 2^n-2
< 1429209228 299850 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, news on #9858, looks like you got what you wanted?
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< 1429212537 136020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I made another wrong formula
< 1429212552 554769 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one might be closer
< 1429212564 562291 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1429212638 225008 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 3 :'+/,(([!y-])*(]!y"_)*(_1^+)*y^~(y>:+)*+/&(0&=)-~2^y-+)"0/~i.>:y'"0 i.9x
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< 1429212656 655634 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that seems right
< 1429212662 725354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a double summation 
< 1429212679 222537 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be turned to a single sum but then there'd be more conditions so this is simpler to write
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< 1429215309 208392 :Encapsulation!~Astoundin@c-75-67-50-34.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429215337 422388 :Encapsulation!~Astoundin@c-75-67-50-34.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm facing a challenge right now in my program. I need objects running methods and having their attributes change at regular intervals and in reaction to events while simultaneously providing I/O to the user. Which language would be best suited for me?
< 1429215378 123307 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge
< 1429215463 567353 :Encapsulation!~Astoundin@c-75-67-50-34.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks like just what I needed
< 1429215671 329005 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Encapsulation: maybe #esoteric isn't the best place to ask such a question.....
< 1429215808 26997 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abstract State Machine Language?
< 1429215919 450863 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429216259 552032 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is for esoteric programming languages
< 1429216268 59428 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie, ones you probably don't want to use, lol
< 1429216288 447800 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? I just wanted a laugh... lol
< 1429216298 487074 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to stop using lol, lol
< 1429216426 903148 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stop then, hth
< 1429216520 9279 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
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< 1429217582 954754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 3 :'(y^~_2+2^y)--/(!&y*(2*y^~_1+2^y&-)+(2^y*y&-)*_2+2&^)>:i.y'"0 i.9x
< 1429217583 637781 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1 0 2 102 22874 17633670 46959933962 451575174961302 16271255119687320314
< 1429217596 890163 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that one is just a single summation
< 1429217613 440571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 3 :'+/,(([!y-])*(]!y"_)*(_1^+)*y^~(y>:+)*+/&(0&=)-~2^y-+)"0/~i.>:y'"0 i.9x
< 1429217614 184763 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1 0 2 102 22874 17633670 46959933962 451575174961302 16271255119687320314
< 1429217633 12519 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ rv0=: 3 :'+/,(([!y-])*(]!y"_)*(_1^+)*y^~(y>:+)*+/&(0&=)-~2^y-+)"0/~i.>:y'"0 i.9x
< 1429217633 650273 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |ok
< 1429217642 472324 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ rv2=: 3 :'+/,(([!y-])*(]!y"_)*(_1^+)*y^~(y>:+)*+/&(0&=)-~2^y-+)"0/~i.>:y'"0 i.9x
< 1429217643 213882 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |ok
< 1429217647 350932 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ rv0-:rv2
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< 1429217649 970700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ rv0
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< 1429217652 487116 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1429217671 42226 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow it even came out shorter, though probably the expression for the double sum could be written more concise too
< 1429217700 651360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1429217711 951853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429217726 379894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no wait
< 1429217730 305757 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm comparing the wron gthing
< 1429217733 122079 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the single summation is longer
< 1429217746 632773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ]rv2=: 3 :'(y^~_2+2^y)--/(!&y*(2*y^~_1+2^y&-)+(2^y*y&-)*_2+2&^)>:i.y'"0 i.9x
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< 1429217752 78045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ rv2-:rv0
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< 1429217777 306584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the single summation is shorter afterall
< 1429217779 621261 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1429217783 859603 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm confused
< 1429217811 897232 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ rv0=: 3 :'+/,(([!y-])*(]!y"_)*(_1^+)*y^~(y>:+)*+/&(0&=)-~2^y-+)"0/~i.>:y'"0 i.9x
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< 1429217817 291191 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ rv0-:rv2
< 1429217817 928902 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1
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< 1429218085 92219 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with that, good night
< 1429218351 44301 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1429218805 42053 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1429219223 302181 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know there was a trout class.
< 1429219244 409413 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ, you didn't know that trout is directly related to programming?
< 1429219249 155138 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, just had to
< 1429219268 266174 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I have another boring esolang coming, but atleast it'll have a punny name
< 1429219288 466345 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( is this an example of trolling fish? )
< 1429219369 233945 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1429219631 237764 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it spelled trawling when you do it to fish?
< 1429219644 912277 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that just how I imagine it should be
< 1429219648 890145 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... What if there was a language sufficiently flexible that you could write it to look like C, Fortran, Pascal, or Basic?
< 1429219688 37531 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07State of the Art14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42584 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+1182) 10new esolang
< 1429219700 654764 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. int x; and dim x as integer would both be valid
< 1429219720 35277 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07State of the Art14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42585&oldid=42584 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+9) 10lil' stubby
< 1429219733 413691 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be cool
< 1429219738 58303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "Trolling can be phonetically confused with trawling, a different method of fishing where a net (trawl) is drawn through the water instead of lines." says Wikipedia
< 1429219772 800070 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be trolling because the fish put on the rage face
< 1429219790 14592 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor trout
< 1429219813 972610 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pouting trouts are not a pretty sight.
< 1429219832 715592 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OДo}<|
< 1429219845 763213 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42586&oldid=42553 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+23) 10/* My esoteric programming languages */
< 1429219867 621137 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :trout: Apologies for the puns, I hope you do not take them seriously.
< 1429219876 417119 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to what I hear, these days it's all about the bass
< 1429219882 953260 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about those puns...
< 1429219883 838807 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, puns are fine, that is the whole point of having such a username
< 1429219890 584203 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1429219891 122533 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1429219900 453282 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, scroll bar wont scroll down
< 1429219911 48792 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I do have a question about your name though
< 1429219914 968841 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :e is not an int
< 1429219921 382695 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you intenctionally casting it?
< 1429219945 326996 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :int e is a page fault, maybe that's it
< 1429219952 404468 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int e? is he 2 or 3?
< 1429219964 4513 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's more likely to be 3, I think
< 1429219968 459381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: that's a better guess than I've seen in a while.
< 1429219984 470805 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.
< 1429219988 1622 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C iirc (int) rounds down
< 1429219992 455128 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, 2 then
< 1429219995 956844 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner said that.
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< 1429220012 816883 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, it truncates, yes
< 1429220013 280429 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use C, prefer lua
< 1429220036 469739 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because low-level stuff derps and costs money and herps.
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< 1429220112 409783 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trout: so it rounds toward zero. I think it's probably a bad idea to rely on that though.
< 1429220172 545343 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hi, int-2
< 1429220432 955252 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like a programming language based on nothing
< 1429220474 6428 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I have just created a bf derivative?
< 1429220645 282160 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo
< 1429220812 285933 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1429221234 887693 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1a0b045d.
< 1429221280 220895 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should just add some hashing requirement
< 1429221627 480167 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :unzip unrar unxz... gunzip
< 1429221631 199265 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you gunzip
< 1429221647 721100 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i type ungzip every fucking time and i keep getting command not found
< 1429221775 216387 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :put an alias in your bashrc
< 1429221782 693309 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know -.-
< 1429221797 282115 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :use gzip -d
< 1429221804 580323 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have alias fuckyou as pkill
< 1429221810 95005 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1429221872 92329 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have these
< 1429221874 174259 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :# stfu
< 1429221876 175234 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :silent () { "$@" > /dev/null 2>&1; }
< 1429221878 172643 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :silout () { "$@" > /dev/null; }
< 1429221880 174097 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :silerr () { "$@" 2> /dev/null; }
< 1429221959 231554 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also alias gdb='gdb -q'
< 1429221965 964536 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid spammy stallman
< 1429221966 984945 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1429222002 317343 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a lot of aliases doing that stuff because, after canonical ruined everything with unity, every GUI program outputs: 
< 1429222028 708577 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "overlay-scrollbar"
< 1429222035 692274 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every few seconds
< 1429222044 28111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1429222060 688848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: install http://hartlich.com/deco/ and just use "deco" for all of them :p
< 1429222070 356815 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1429222077 541661 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1429222086 473038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(deco{,-archive} are in the AUR)
< 1429222106 416704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also protects against tar bombs
< 1429222108 109551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1429222218 441820 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well honestly i never had problems with tar bombs.......
< 1429222239 968613 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably gnu tar has an option for it <.<
< 1429222281 283385 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, see the overwrite control section in the man page
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< 1429222311 138600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's mostly .zip bombs
< 1429222326 788428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the time I'm like "oh okay this is a .zip not a tar so uh 'unzip foo.zip'... fuck, the files went everywhere"
< 1429222334 251766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence deco's consistency is nice :p
< 1429222404 423715 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe files in a zip archive can't have hardcoded paths...
< 1429222438 606645 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the worst that can happen is that they clobber the current directory
< 1429222452 337523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that's the problem when the current directory is ~ or a downloads dir or something
< 1429222456 100320 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course tar files can do that as well.
< 1429222460 171362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a minor annoyance
< 1429222497 224868 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah but in a tar you can have a file that extracts to /bin/whatever
< 1429222541 59257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: and GNU tar at least strips leading slashes by default.
< 1429222553 478367 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders about ...
< 1429222554 422403 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1429222723 929054 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally I don't just untar things
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< 1429222736 812260 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I extract the specific files I want
< 1429222855 512466 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar -tzf foo.tar
< 1429222877 954918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By default, GNU tar drops a leading `/' on input or output, and complains about file names containing a `..' component."
< 1429222924 61653 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that behaviour it's no worse than zip
< 1429222972 238064 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429222977 24525 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I suppose you can create interesting symlinks or special files)
< 1429223020 856113 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if you extract a whole archive, use tar -xkzvf foo.tgz
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< 1429223059 683559 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k makes it not clobber existing files
< 1429223172 145811 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned about tar after seeing that XKCD comic
< 1429223177 108048 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well, no. I'm a  tar xzf  person.
< 1429223257 980292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I have a scratch directory where I unpack stuff, and usually do a  tar tzf  first when I'm not dealing with a source code distribution of software I'm used to...)
< 1429223379 269126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've lost more data to hitting ^J instead of ^K than I have lost to extracting tar files in a different place than I wanted.)
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< 1429223426 475471 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull
< 1429223460 391533 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ^K do?
< 1429223475 353483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuts the rest of the line
< 1429223478 784140 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429223480 445734 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know ^J is the same as enter...
< 1429223487 58472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternative explanation: d$
< 1429223490 927010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1429223491 827142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just D
< 1429223494 591390 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks XD
< 1429223500 791366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no not XD it's D
< 1429223505 667921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_<
< 1429223509 859447 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1429223569 407865 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I don't understand how you can lose data to hitting enter instead of cutting the line?
< 1429223575 605361 :Froox!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429223631 233737 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't take it too seriously...
< 1429223637 873759 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :by executing a half-typed command instead of deleting it. as a silly example, consider rm -rf ./ [err, no, I don't want to actually delete anything], followed by ^A (beginning of line), ^J.
< 1429223670 670975 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1429223787 373814 :Froo!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429223844 846805 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Perhaps I should use ^U instead of ^A^K. But U is also next to J.)
< 1429223861 946685 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about just down?
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< 1429223879 545990 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps consider using vi mode <.<
< 1429223910 269918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really.
< 1429223928 551023 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aUHHH
< 1429223933 437087 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonononononononon
< 1429223959 946285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use vim but emacs keybindings in everything else
< 1429223962 525039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make me weird
< 1429223964 104251 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: down doesn't delete anything for me (bash / readline)
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< 1429223998 415126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no more weird than any other hacker I've ever met
< 1429224007 194101 :Froox!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429224018 629520 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? oh. yeah for some reason I usually start every command by hitting up a fe tmes
< 1429224023 438149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also sometimes I use emacs but rarely these days
< 1429224032 265371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when I do use emacs I often edit ~/.emacs with vim
< 1429224043 539833 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use midnight commander's internal editor
< 1429224044 779493 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many ways of doing stuff that nobody does everything the same way anyway
< 1429224085 632629 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes even that nano people go "uh. what's that?"
< 1429224099 110890 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use vi, too, for quick and simple edits. I switch to emacs when it involves moving stuff around (cut & paste)...
< 1429224135 206969 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nano gives me the vi effect (HOW DO I QUIT?)
< 1429224158 330984 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real programmers use butterflies
< 1429224163 569458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, I use vim, I should say. Cursor keys...
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< 1429224266 217189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get terrified when I do, like, "sudo -e" on a random system and nano pops up
< 1429224281 30789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please. what condemned me to this fate. will I succeed in making the simple edit I'm going for here
< 1429224304 134780 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nano has internal help tho
< 1429224321 103459 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually quitting nano is not so hard anymore, but I still struggle with saving files. What's wrong with the "Save" verb? "WriteOut" makes no sense. Wordstar has died in the mid 1990s!)
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< 1429224333 469063 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the commands are at the bottom of the screen
< 1429224361 806883 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^X Exit 
< 1429224365 317803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(needless to say the shortcuts are different from the wordstar ones as well...)
< 1429224369 161787 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I know!
< 1429224428 224870 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^S is XOFF
< 1429224450 796174 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[ XOFF ignored, mumble mumble ]" ... cute.
< 1429224519 351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it's hard to read when you're panicking though
< 1429224553 834032 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellyeah
< 1429224579 219390 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish vi had like three or four lines of help at the bottom
< 1429224669 436470 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would waste more than 10% of a 25 line terminal's screen estate...
< 1429224707 352203 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should enable it if it detcts you press escape like 5 times
< 1429224742 56551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether joe still exists
< 1429224785 800355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't seem to have it installed anywhere)
< 1429224860 671572 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :joe seems to exist, as in it prompts me to apt-get it
< 1429224952 264697 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim has internal help too >.>
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< 1429225059 990657 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: but it's hard to find when some other program (like crontab -e) launched it for you to edit a file.
< 1429225087 242098 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :???  :h backspace
< 1429225165 938077 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: where? http://snag.gy/CUxag.jpg
< 1429225198 465765 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a list of commands or a thing saying "insert mode" or anything!
< 1429225220 566343 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you code with that
< 1429225231 833455 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with what?
< 1429225246 703614 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :transparency at 50%
< 1429225284 840449 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :<izabera>   i type ungzip every fucking time and i keep getting command not found   ← don't forget bunzip2
< 1429225299 153492 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's another fucker -.-
< 1429225302 323328 :Hijiri!~oneechan@2607:f720:f00:4032:9e4e:36ff:fe14:c0d8 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429225315 917130 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. without transparency ;) http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/vi.png
< 1429225337 842167 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :<esc>:h topic-you-want-help-about
< 1429225341 419944 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Same as gzip, I use bzip2 -d )
< 1429225377 476075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: You know about vi already. We're discussing a first user experience here. Or so I thought.
< 1429225384 394048 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :okok...
< 1429225389 956017 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::h 42
< 1429225391 468168 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?  *42*
< 1429225394 231919 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Douglas Adams, the only person who knew what this question really was about is
< 1429225396 233608 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :now dead, unfortunately.  So now you might wonder what the meaning of death
< 1429225398 246454 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is...
< 1429225444 301717 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, mcedit has a list of commands at bottom, a status line at top with the name of the file. http://snag.gy/fBnvC.jpg nano has similar. 
< 1429225444 359215 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death is when you stop worrying about taxes.
< 1429225478 183927 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can click on the commands.
< 1429225478 649209 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't see anything in oren's screenshots.
< 1429225496 941670 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same issue as izabera mentioned)
< 1429225540 101714 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/u2q1D.jpg
< 1429225557 536988 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: when you start vim, you should get a startup message that tells you about :help
< 1429225568 880967 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you explicitly disable it
< 1429225604 545480 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"type  :help<Enter>  or  <F1>  for on-line help"
< 1429225623 235827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that works (for me) if you start 'vi', but not when you use 'vi file', which is what tools like crontab -e will do[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D.
< 1429225634 529494 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oops, slow terminal)
< 1429225634 781390 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim fake help file ... great. just great.
< 1429225644 873581 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :fake?
< 1429225651 361923 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim fake help file?
< 1429225671 301399 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim :help ~ shell man
< 1429225678 830160 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIM - fake help file for vim-tiny The Vim online help is not installed on this Debian GNU/Linux system.
< 1429225685 27930 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1429225687 496102 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429225692 818841 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what can I say.. blame Debian :P
< 1429225693 964591 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap vim
< 1429225697 814379 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :install a real one
< 1429225705 30546 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I set EDITOR to nano
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< 1429225784 436884 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use the STANDARD EDITOR
< 1429225787 871503 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does :version say in vim-tiny?
< 1429225790 114949 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed man!
< 1429225796 322376 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows ed \o/
< 1429225802 960911 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should learn ed
< 1429225809 62224 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can teach you u_u
< 1429225832 361218 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know vim well enough, so the fact that ed ~ ex should help..
< 1429225847 434690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, nasty thought: set $EDITOR to /bin/rm ...
< 1429225853 171181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: have you ever used teco?
< 1429225858 806988 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet D:
< 1429225860 682899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was nicer than ed when I tried it I think
< 1429225869 890435 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried sam
< 1429225871 771014 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed is good. I can use ed well. but vi REALLY needs a help line at least telling me what mode i'm in. ed doesn'tneed it becuase you can see the commnads. 
< 1429225877 513692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :acme is cooler than sam :p
< 1429225877 646598 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate its ui
< 1429225883 548139 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate _that_ ui
< 1429225886 671284 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever program uses it
< 1429225893 940993 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, GNU ed has a -v
< 1429225900 219905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sam is the one that's ed + viewer windows, basically
< 1429225916 943297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :acme is the weird futuristic one
< 1429225937 856781 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/futuristic/retarded/
< 1429225956 874587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. it's minimal and flexible
< 1429225962 391290 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: in vim,  :set nocompatible  and you get a mode thingy in the bottom left
< 1429225966 837145 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- INSERT --  and such
< 1429225991 922258 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :("nocompatible" meaning "drop strict vi emulation; I want vim powers")
< 1429226024 617171 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see... so now the arrow keys work
< 1429226068 787728 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mapped the arrows to resize the split windows <.<
< 1429226081 594617 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1429226093 250787 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you move around the file then?
< 1429226097 978425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl
< 1429226098 184953 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hjkl?
< 1429226108 184122 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :in normal mode, that is
< 1429226110 945116 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1429226113 122418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use hjkl(yubn) in roguelikes but arrow keys in vim.
< 1429226134 184171 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use hjklyubn in nethack because it's too messy to remap
< 1429226139 371719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I try yubn in vim and am surprised to find they don't work
< 1429226140 184690 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda.. weird. with dvorak though
< 1429226145 534455 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't backspace work
< 1429226160 313817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does if you set it to
< 1429226162 184347 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of stupid defaults
< 1429226162 545192 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: set bs=eol,indent,start
< 1429226177 11847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim comes with some sample vimrc you can copy that's better than nothing
< 1429226182 651298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably in /usr/share somewhere
< 1429226186 44537 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope neovim adopts nicer defaults
< 1429226209 507776 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, nocompatible and bs=eol,indent,start should definitely be default in 2015..
< 1429226218 144097 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also  nnoremap Y y$
< 1429226238 232828 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and syntax highlight
< 1429226238 532714 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that too, although I think that's less uniform than nocompatible and bs
< 1429226281 674177 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only downside I can think of for mapping Y to y$ is that you forget about the original Y when doing vimgolf..
< 1429226288 143100 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1429226324 172220 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnoremap n nzz     <- also this and a couple more...
< 1429226333 226621 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh I think I prefer ed
< 1429226344 847028 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed doesn't have modes
< 1429226350 934455 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use ex for a slightly more user-friendly ed
< 1429226352 137631 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed does
< 1429226360 858991 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has normal and insert mode
< 1429226370 743922 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well it does, but they are like heredocs)
< 1429226467 162938 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I guess ed is pretty straightforward after all
< 1429226479 615180 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... maybe I can write my own ed with syntax highlighiting
< 1429226507 453447 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1429226518 590612 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloated <.<
< 1429226555 585918 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a readline wrapper to add history to ed
< 1429226568 359264 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the arrow keys are a little more useful
< 1429226616 306579 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking "hey, ed is light enough that you could implement it in an esolang".. then I remembered :s
< 1429226618 302124 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never written an editor before, but maybe I'll call it OED
< 1429226634 919948 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you remembered...?
< 1429226642 27046 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :":s", as in substitute
< 1429226659 75433 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's s in ed D:
< 1429226665 766963 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
< 1429226673 722509 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind is vim-y, sorry
< 1429226705 449749 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement dc
< 1429226706 577878 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can do ed -p:
< 1429226719 15827 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get a prompt of :
< 1429226719 160799 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :With an esolang implementation of regex matching, I guess the regex engine would be bigger than the rest of the editor..
< 1429226745 863255 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually a basic regex engine isn't that hard...
< 1429226746 899968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim regexes are p. fancy
< 1429226754 134689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they support intersections and all sorts of things
< 1429226791 668954 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: yes, that is true..
< 1429226898 121534 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you mean using /\= ?
< 1429226907 293264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's /\= ?
< 1429226910 337801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mean \&
< 1429226912 252296 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, that's the wrong one
< 1429226923 772006 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1429226958 190911 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of \@= which acts a bit like (?=) in PCRE
< 1429226998 191442 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently \& is a \@= with implicit parens around everything to the left of it
< 1429227011 153235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that all it is?
< 1429227017 785963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe \@= isn't the same as (?=)
< 1429227036 191301 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that using "\&" works the same as using "\@=": "foo\&.." is the same as "\(foo\)\@=..".  But using "\&" is easier, you don't need the braces."
< 1429227061 789519 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :`test
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< 1429227103 982339 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :\@= tries to match the preceding atom zero-width, as far as I know that's the same as Perl's (?=...) (and the help seems to say so, too)
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< 1429227178 42473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does actual regular language intersection, then there's a difference.
< 1429227206 226794 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry guys i found this in ltrace's output   regcomp(0x7ffeda758840, 0x740470, 1, 0)          = 0
< 1429227216 202427 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i get the regex?
< 1429227221 876099 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i grepped for 'reg'
< 1429227245 106053 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found that and   regexec(0x7ffeda758840, 0x7403f0, 3, 0x741680)   = 1
< 1429227249 309103 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and   regfree(0x7ffeda758840, 0x7fb569fddc08, 0x741600, 0x740ec0) = 0
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< 1429227322 25454 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok np i just thought that some of you could know it <.<
< 1429227325 778727 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
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< 1429228062 445339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I think you can teach strace that the first two parameters are pointers?
< 1429228065 500216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429228066 893349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about that
< 1429228069 506666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ltrace
< 1429228070 889001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace knows types and follows pointers, at least
< 1429228079 999296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just use gdb and breakpoint on regex stuff
< 1429228128 765516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/ltrace.conf.5.html
< 1429228133 492658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make one of these for the functions in question
< 1429228137 284679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
< 1429228229 440931 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seriously hate debugging -_-
< 1429228784 862352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How efficiently can two regular expressions be compared for equivalence?
< 1429228941 830112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun, that problem is EXPSPACE-complete.
< 1429228966 906952 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EXPSPACE )
< 1429228967 12261 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:9: error: unexpected
< 1429228967 67919 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Operator without known fixity:
< 1429228967 67975 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ://, expected: space
< 1429228967 68006 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EXPSPACE )<EOF> 
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< 1429228973 956634 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-bot: ah yes.
< 1429228981 359519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oh, I didn't find that.
< 1429228990 436723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPSPACE-complete is pretty bad.
< 1429229009 761251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's regular expressions with squaring, though.
< 1429229034 303292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1429229040 519333 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I didn't read far enough.
< 1429229071 555904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's better if you don't allow squaring?
< 1429229096 70916 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nor did I think, equivalence of NFA is in PSPACE)
< 1429229154 271556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with squaring your NFA can be exponential in the size of the expression, I guess.
< 1429229159 979456 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So PSPACE-complete it is.
< 1429229177 652255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :squaring goes beyond regular languages.
< 1429229220 704940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cs.stackexchange.com/a/12625 says that in practice NFA equivalence can often be done efficiently.
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< 1429231213 225678 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does ^(|.*((a[^a]|[^a]a).............[^a]|(aa|[^a][^a]).............a).*|[^a].*|..?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?a.*|.*a|.*[^a].?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.)$ match all strings? What about ^(|.*((a[^a]|[^a]a).............[^a]|(aa|[^a][^a]).............a).*|[^a].*|..?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?a.*|.*a|.*[^a].?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.)$?
< 1429231236 444669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ?
< 1429231254 811516 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a puzzle
< 1429231273 561647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wakes up again
< 1429231307 899524 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I have messed up, let me try that again...
< 1429231367 22451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah they went with my suggestion 2+3, essentially
< 1429231409 53063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Did you produce those by using some algorithm to take the complement of a string?
< 1429231416 459392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i started to briefly worry about * -> # -> *
< 1429231443 950031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, of a regular expression.
< 1429231487 133947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, there's _probably_ no way to construct something that's ambiguously # or *, so it _should_ be fine.
< 1429231490 845095 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one should be ^(|.*((a[^a]|[^a]a).............[^a]|(aa|[^a][^a]).............a).*|[^a].*|..?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?(a.*|)|.*a|.*[^a].?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.)$, and the second one ^(|.*((a[^a]|[^a]a).............[^a]|(aa|[^a][^a]).............a).*|[^a].*|..?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?(a.*|)|.*a|.*[^a].?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.)$
< 1429231499 244006 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's much much worse than that.
< 1429231561 292327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i they're just regular languages, how bad could it possibly be?
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< 1429231633 433936 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how about, the shortest string that's not accepted has 32769 characters?
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< 1429233161 745185 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly shorter expressions, same idea, and correcting a mistake with the second expression: ^(|.*(([^a]a|a[^a]).............a|([^a][^a]|aa).............[^a]).*|.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?(a.*|.?)|.*a.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?)$ and ^(|.*(([^a]a|a[^a]).............a|([^a][^a]|aa).............[^a]).*|.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?(a.*|.?)|.*a.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?)$
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< 1429233332 786394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first expression has a slightly longer minimal non-accepted string, too: 32782 characters. the second one now accepts all strings; this went wrong in my previous attempt.)
< 1429233446 139644 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429233479 922972 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :decided to get mIRC 6.35 and then get trial reset script...
< 1429233487 76786 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a good decision?
< 1429233497 70943 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I know! an esolang based on mIRC.
< 1429233542 833193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, sleep. I can explain those regexps tomorrow if anyone cares.
< 1429233575 655318 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight int-2... sorry. just had to
< 1429233980 241576 :Encapsulation!~Astoundin@c-75-67-50-34.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429234564 870905 :rdococ!~rd606six@unaffiliated/octagonfly QUIT :
< 1429234592 730977 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429235759 150073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm int-e is asleep, i was going to ask if lambdabot had any unboxed functions
< 1429235777 540982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Int#
< 1429235778 434698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Int#’
< 1429235778 485779 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1429235778 485833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘Int’ (imported from Data.Int), ‘Int8’ (imported from Data.Int)
< 1429235785 902605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k GHC.Exts.Int#
< 1429235786 682243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :#
< 1429235955 614044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Typeable
< 1429235956 472397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :k -> Constraint
< 1429236053 64837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Typeable GHC.Exts.Int#
< 1429236053 949046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Illegal unlifted type: GHC.Prim.Int#
< 1429236054 27078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In a type in a GHCi command: Typeable GHC.Prim.Int#
< 1429236060 207311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1429236072 415484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Typeable (GHC.Exts.Int# -> GHC.Exts.Int#)
< 1429236073 301838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constraint
< 1429236080 866786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1429236278 231709 :Hijiri!~oneechan@137.110.57.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a separate Typeable for unboxed types?
< 1429236398 202092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how it works now
< 1429236412 668381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am steadfastly refusing to try to install GHC HEAD :P
< 1429236440 327590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or 7.10, until the platform comes out.)
< 1429236485 112307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not allowed 7.8, anyway.
< 1429236492 159901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in
< 1429236511 140785 :Hijiri!~oneechan@137.110.57.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's not allowed
< 1429236515 714765 :Hijiri!~oneechan@137.110.57.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# -> Constraint ?
< 1429236519 863150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typeable Int#
< 1429236522 536910 :Hijiri!~oneechan@137.110.57.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429236526 724047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot get it to derive
< 1429236550 356742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in 7.10, Typeable is so magical that it _probably_ exists.
< 1429236605 52379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allowed =>, after all, util this latest fix.
< 1429236619 696217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*these latest fixes
< 1429236737 534014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't know how to test it in lambdabot if it doesn't export any unboxed types in its > environment
< 1429236791 417159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy Int#)
< 1429236792 321173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Int#’
< 1429236792 423208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1429236792 474804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘Int’ (imported from Data.Int), ‘Int8’ (imported from Data.Int)
< 1429236800 779763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy GHC.Exts.Int#)
< 1429236801 974458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Illegal unlifted type: GHC.Prim.Int#
< 1429236802 25543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In an expression type signature: Proxy GHC.Prim.Int#
< 1429236802 25591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the first argument of ‘typeRep’, namely
< 1429236809 134626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1429236824 35324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's Proxy# type but i'm not sure what it does
< 1429236826 931810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (GHC.Exts.Int# -> GHC.Exts.Int# -> *))
< 1429236827 777392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘*’
< 1429236831 741687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1429236857 116297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (Proxy :: GHC.Exts.Int# -> *))
< 1429236858 143471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ‘GHC.Prim.Int#’ of kind ‘#’ is not promotable
< 1429236858 246350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the kind ‘GHC.Prim.Int# -> *’
< 1429236858 297431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In an expression type signature:
< 1429236871 545341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may be confusing emself
< 1429236886 934162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose they're not allowed in enough places
< 1429236901 81674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy (GHC.Exts.Int# -> ())) -- ?
< 1429236902 56813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeRep
< 1429236913 983813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1429236948 598421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it thinks that exists, at least.
< 1429237040 866953 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429237050 239409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let x :: forall a b c. (a b c ~ GHC.Exts.Int# -> ()) => TypeRep in typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy a)
< 1429237051 114501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘->’
< 1429237056 570505 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, many Wikias now have autoplaying loud video ads
< 1429237070 853078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let x :: forall a b c. (a b c ~ (GHC.Exts.Int# -> ())) => TypeRep in typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy a)
< 1429237071 818654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    The type signature for ‘x’ lacks an accompanying binding
< 1429237075 839652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1429237088 628324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let x :: forall a b c. (a b c ~ (GHC.Exts.Int# -> ())) => TypeRep; x = typeRep (Proxy :: Proxy a) in x
< 1429237089 678522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match kind ‘*’ with ‘#’
< 1429237089 729576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    When matching types
< 1429237089 729631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      b0 :: *
< 1429237099 343509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH
< 1429237137 535841 :Hijiri!~oneechan@137.110.57.221 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1429237173 277106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k (a b c ~ (GHC.Exts.Int# -> ())) => a
< 1429237174 173004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expecting two more arguments to ‘a’
< 1429237174 224149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected a type, but ‘a’ has kind ‘k0 -> k1 -> *’
< 1429237174 224197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In a type in a GHCi command: (a b c ~ (GHC.Prim.Int# -> ())) => a
< 1429237188 689780 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429237224 766382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confusing himself again
< 1429237376 586865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Typeable impredicativity actually cause any problems
< 1429237378 20328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even theoretically
< 1429237394 467222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean other than GHC being really broken
< 1429237633 58207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of => you mean?  i doubt it, but it's sort of intuitively fishy.
< 1429237793 205310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the things on the left of => are of a fragile existence, being automatically instantiated all the time
< 1429237832 783579 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429237939 915889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so depending on whether Eq T has been instantiated, Eq T => U  is in a sense the same thing as U.
< 1429237968 14533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having something in the language that can distinguish them is fishy.
< 1429238121 766069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets even worse if you somehow break coherence of type classes so that there are two different Eq Ts in scope
< 1429238150 990094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i saw someone complain on stackoverflow, i think, about this sometimes happening with GADTs)
< 1429238175 769150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, at least the part about not picking the instance from the right source.)
< 1429238609 505542 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1429239140 432826 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out
< 1429239171 651694 :TodPunk!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429239183 872081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t I#
< 1429239183 939501 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1429239183 994204 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1429239184 719158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: data constructor ‘I#’
< 1429239184 813609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant ‘In’ (imported from Lambdabot.Plugin.Haskell.Eval.Trusted)
< 1429239198 118856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wtf
< 1429241340 344250 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it weird to find syntax-rules more elegant than imperative macros
< 1429241354 753602 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like what I'm doing isn't cheating because it's syntax-rules only
< 1429241384 276521 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if what I wanted to do was too inelegant, then I'd be forced into syntax-case
< 1429241390 562164 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1429241467 772081 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429241752 627342 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that printf has "int" in it?   i just found out it does, with  s/int/float/g
< 1429241754 814097 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :prfloatf
< 1429241811 533689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :floateresting
< 1429241817 487989 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1429242021 773473 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yranaffrdmfucefi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429242411 423880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e <int-e> [...] I've narrowed it down to KindSignatures + ScopedTypeVariables + TypeFamilies for the first one and PolyKinds + ScopedTypeFamilies for the second one. [...] <-- pretty sure you switched those
< 1429242411 527544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1429242441 861339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ignores the actual typo
< 1429242654 632844 :zadock!~zadock@5-13-166-44.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429242825 752338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the actual typo is that you didn't @tell float-e hth
< 1429242851 56952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1429243049 765773 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needs to make a programming language using prfloatf
< 1429243138 58411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, what should it _do_? printf already prints floats.
< 1429243216 189847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: clearly it should prfloat them hth
< 1429243231 236895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAU
< 1429243623 805994 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429243988 648853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <rdococ> what? I just wanted a laugh... lol  <rdococ> I need to stop using lol, lol  <olsner> just stop then
< 1429243990 640015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1240) <rdococ> what? I just wanted a laugh... lol  <rdococ> I need to stop using lol, lol  <olsner> just stop then
< 1429243997 428191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1429244001 283359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <rdococ> what? I just wanted a laugh... lol  <rdococ> I need to stop using lol, lol  <olsner> just stop then, hth
< 1429244005 563191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1429244007 672134 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1241) <rdococ> what? I just wanted a laugh... lol  <rdococ> I need to stop using lol, lol  <olsner> just stop then, hth
< 1429244012 621655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 1240
< 1429244014 887937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* <rdococ> what? I just wanted a laugh... lol  <rdococ> I need to stop using lol, lol  <olsner> just stop then
< 1429244031 371780 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1429244047 610600 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1429244053 830624 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used lol again, lol
< 1429244083 516766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :careful or your lol may become another django
< 1429244107 378973 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I don't know what a django means
< 1429244112 523629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote django
< 1429244123 242454 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :261) <olsner> django is named after a person?  <olsner> thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 306) <cpressey> `quote django  <HackEgo> ​352) <olsner> django is named after a person?  <olsner> thought it would be a giraffe or something  <cpressey> thankfully only one \ 307) <monqy> `quote django  <HackEgo> ​352) <olsner> django is named a
< 1429244176 97143 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah...
< 1429244181 336737 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1429244194 434856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote django | tail -n +5
< 1429244195 471026 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :318) <elliott_> `addquote <olsner> two quotes about quotes about django  <olsner> I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django  <olsner> elliott_: another quote? you're not helping :/ \ 884) <oerjan> `pastequotes django  <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5404  <ols
< 1429244217 136844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh miscounted
< 1429244236 120919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote django | tail -n +3
< 1429244236 968164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :307) <monqy> `quote django  <HackEgo> ​352) <olsner> django is named after a person?  <olsner> thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) <cpressey> `quote django  <HackEgo> ​352) <olsner> django is named after a person?  <olsner> thought it would be a giraffe or something  <cpressey> thankfully only one  <monqy> thankfully only two \ 31
< 1429244256 138024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes django
< 1429244261 212705 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/paste/paste.22857
< 1429244308 791082 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :django must be a giraffe!
< 1429244393 171981 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new operator:
< 1429244418 397912 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(var =! var2){
< 1429244440 342939 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the =! operator is for messing 
< 1429244484 523344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah why is youtube so slow
< 1429244603 925072 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :html5?
< 1429244651 647850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, because <video> is a crashy CPU hog and flash isn't
< 1429244669 584281 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1429244670 710109 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1429244681 844912 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: depends on video format hth
< 1429244689 262824 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just use pausable gifs
< 1429244700 359091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1429244704 228645 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a blank div with a button that inserts a gif into the div
< 1429244708 662520 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some <video> formats screw up a lot for me
< 1429244713 464424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash's decoding is never accelerated in pretty much any way afaik
< 1429244737 177760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only ~relevant formats are VP8/9 and H.264, the latter is more likely to get accelerated on mobile or whatever than the others
< 1429244750 474052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but flash just always seems to be terrible about video decoding
< 1429244866 18240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: a bit bad for sound, perhaps.
< 1429244873 897024 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1429244891 725510 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the button could invoke a function that inserts a gif AND plays an audio file
< 1429244897 501857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gifs also load awfully, compress awfully and are limited to 256 colours, but who's counting
< 1429244914 185503 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it loads the gif and audio first so theyre synched
< 1429244938 427907 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought youtube was awful anyway
< 1429244970 323341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube do like serious bandwidth limiting so buffering is painful on slower connections
< 1429244976 951982 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube has always been awful compared to downloading the video and playing it with vlc
< 1429244979 632154 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, internet explorer -6 will support gifs
< 1429244982 828342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not inherent they just do it to increase capacity I guess
< 1429244984 33849 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will probablyish
< 1429244988 671744 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows
< 1429245009 532455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: that's half flash's fault, half doing all the buffering upfront, basically
< 1429245013 567877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube does especially badly if you seek around
< 1429245054 801221 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube with html5 seems worse
< 1429245078 934798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a browser extension to force it to serve H.264 instead of VP8/9
< 1429245080 201351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might help
< 1429245128 835788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I think that maybe flash didn't do VP8/9? so you could have been going from H.264 flash to VP8/9 <video>, which could be worse I guess
< 1429245217 442462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also if you're using firefox then I dunno if they do DASH yet (right click youtube player -> "stats for nerds"), chrome probably works best there for obvious reasons
< 1429245240 298167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to make seeking a lot better too
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< 1429245567 557052 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the state for nerds says I have HTTPS/DASH/VOD and software rendering and decoding 
< 1429245666 33606 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/T7AYP.jpg
< 1429245733 908617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh why does it look different for you than it does for me
< 1429245737 17958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure that's HTML5 :P
< 1429245782 965115 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this video is flash
< 1429245800 549196 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :explains why it hasn't frozen yet
< 1429245830 868331 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5 freezes firefox every 15 minutes
< 1429245851 861924 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird, HTML5 video actually works perfectly fine for me.
< 1429245860 792269 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, my computer has only 2 GB of ram
< 1429245865 336195 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They do DASH as of the latest release.
< 1429245866 964270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you have other problems
< 1429245887 537293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, "uses all 2GB of your RAM unlike flash and then crashes firefox" is not a known drawback of HTML5 video :p
< 1429245901 612125 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometime a bit before that they appear to have made HTML5 video playback not suck.
< 1429245913 915902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean on windows flash is actually kind of okay
< 1429245914 273042 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox uses all my ram from some stylesheets....
< 1429245918 530591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on linux/osx it is beyond useless
< 1429245935 365480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also especially on linux the flash plugin for firefox is like... several major releases behind because they only do the Pepper one now? so chrome/ium only
< 1429245942 989536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if it still gets security releases
< 1429245949 766861 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does still get those.
< 1429245958 282896 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs flash in 2015?
< 1429245960 595730 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a gif player working in pure HTML and JS
< 1429245966 844869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the NPAPI interface really that hard to maintain
< 1429245982 10654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean they still support it on every platform but linux right
< 1429245984 828592 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, but the distinction is *Adobe doesn't maintain anything at all on Linux*.
< 1429245989 162172 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once HTML5 dominates, flash won't even exist
< 1429245991 236530 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google maintains the Pepper version.
< 1429245997 65742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay
< 1429245999 372700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does the security fixes
< 1429245999 798947 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats if it does
< 1429246006 203791 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some poor single guy.
< 1429246007 8613 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: what sbout animations
< 1429246015 648841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash is already well on its way to dying...
< 1429246017 418602 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yeah, it animates
< 1429246023 929177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it even output HTML5 gunk these days?
< 1429246026 463134 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't remember where, but he's got a blog. Seriously, it's just him.)
< 1429246032 850572 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does.
< 1429246035 838656 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: found a funny banana animation to test
< 1429246046 723746 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could watch this all day
< 1429246054 566203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you might run out of your 2 GB RAM less if you had fewer than 20 extensions in firefox :P
< 1429246058 13038 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash as an animation util lives on, as an Internet file format it's not quite dead but it's getting there.
< 1429246064 321161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a lot of firefox's awful RAM hungriness and leakiness is bad extensions
< 1429246082 607966 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe it or not Adblock Plus is one of the worse ones in that regard.
< 1429246084 100771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular you had adblock plus which is awful for RAM usage, so...
< 1429246093 533009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a uBlock for firefox yet. there is, right?
< 1429246098 976232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it forked recently... *sigh*
< 1429246099 308168 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is.
< 1429246103 760122 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using it.
< 1429246106 36898 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ublock
< 1429246117 155370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like adblock plus except it doesn't double your memory usage
< 1429246122 188694 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newer ad blocker, works without injecting a lot of shit into the DOM.
< 1429246161 217759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: should I be using the gorhill one or the "official" one on chrome
< 1429246167 546647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I don't care enough to figure out why they are separate now
< 1429246178 537353 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not sure which one is the "sane" one as yet.
< 1429246189 603490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate computers
< 1429246217 805368 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the gorhill one is the one you really do not want to use because it's no longer maintained.
< 1429246237 755044 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429246252 944687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1429246258 465021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said he was going to keep working on it in his own time
< 1429246260 253258 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :In effect he's just bug-fixing.
< 1429246261 349245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just isn't taking feature requests
< 1429246270 283039 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under a misconception and google quickly fixed it.
< 1429246276 261733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he definitely said he was going to keep adding things to it
< 1429246288 986901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the amount to which I did check up wtf was happening and why the extension changed name for me
< 1429246310 108833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Important note: This is a fork of the new official repo. Although both projects are essentially the same as of 0.9.3.0, they will probably start to diverge as time goes (update: they already started to diverge feature-wise).
< 1429246312 133583 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's still working on it but not particularly caring about WTF anyone else demands from it, then?
< 1429246315 223776 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum.
< 1429246325 504572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...]
< 1429246325 746808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may add features whenever I feel the need to do so -- I use the extension myself, so if I feel it definitely needs something more, I will just go ahead and add it.
< 1429246331 958112 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's a question of which one sucks less.
< 1429246333 518609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1429246338 390789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like it matters since uMatrix does the heavy lifting
< 1429246355 382433 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like right *now* there's only going to be trivial differences.
< 1429246461 760390 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose stick with ublock "official" for now unless it starts sucking then.
< 1429246501 51062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1429246505 262643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it automatically upgraded to gorhill's uBlock for me
< 1429246513 439999 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, go figure.
< 1429246523 323871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess because he owned the chrome store entry for it
< 1429246574 29946 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the reason firefox crashes is becasue I wrote a script to monitor the computer and kill -9 firefox if the computer starts to freeze. before, firefox would put the whole computer in a coma 
< 1429246589 7439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1429246598 963742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome crashes too because I kill -9 it periodically. dont use chrome
< 1429246613 494359 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :added stop feature to the gif player
< 1429246625 821681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if you switch from adblock pro to ublock then you can continue pretending you don't need to upgrade your RAM for another few months
< 1429246626 967163 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity that Firefox, like a lot of things, is of the philosophy that "free() everything before exit is a useful behavior".
< 1429246635 89430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the meantime it's not really firefox itself that is destroying your RAM
< 1429246723 178374 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you don't free() before exit, the kernel gets to free pages without mutating them. i.e. it can avoid reading them out of swap just to mark them as no longer used. :))
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< 1429246770 934295 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For now I'd advise "meh, whatever".
< 1429246792 222655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I kinda already decided that before I even asked
< 1429246809 494189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should switch to IE and stop caring about everything
< 1429246815 919600 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wince*
< 1429246823 50979 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though a much smaller *wince* than it once was.
< 1429246836 324196 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo don't go for IE
< 1429246839 851855 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days IE is merely not as good as its alternatives, rather than actively terrible.
< 1429246850 490846 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. basically what happens is, firefox normally takes 18% to 30% of my ram (including flash plugin container). Sometimes on certian sites, suddenly that climbs rapidly without warning, causing the mouse to stop moving and sort of blink from one place to the next. So my utility checks if memory usage of firefox is above 50% and kills it if it is 
< 1429246883 373802 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a nickle, kid; get yourself a real computer.
< 1429246914 11653 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're one of those condescending UNIX users!
< 1429246960 227451 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously though, my *phone* has as much RAM as your computer)
< 1429247027 196604 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your phone probably cost more than this computer
< 1429247037 355728 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop is a little dodgy but it works
< 1429247039 45655 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. How much did it cost and when?
< 1429247040 30646 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer was 200
< 1429247045 875325 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when?
< 1429247047 530423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren can I buy you some RAM just so I don't have to hear about how little RAM you have again
< 1429247054 448165 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*canadian* dollars, 2 years ago
< 1429247108 84866 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lightweight browsers you know
< 1429247162 56019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously doubt it's even firefox's fault rather than extensions here
< 1429247203 883466 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is javascript's fault
< 1429247227 699914 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, *mine* cost more but there are in fact phones for that price with 2G of RAM...
< 1429247286 530839 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But heck. What type of RAM do you have? DDR3?
< 1429247363 839756 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much would you be willing to spend on RAM right now?
< 1429247411 529700 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lowest we can go right now is 18 USD.
< 1429247421 768045 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to double your RAM)
< 1429247432 509849 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, it's a laptop
< 1429247485 164803 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it is DDR3
< 1429247502 226 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine then, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820239853 Here, if you have a spare slot.
< 1429247533 662323 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look someones done it already http://slbkbs.org/jsgif/
< 1429247563 576701 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I have 3 spare slots. it's hard to type with the case of the laptop hanging off it though
< 1429247573 740274 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously though, RAM is both cheap and something that's really painful to skimp on)
< 1429247589 320113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: don't worry, nobody knows who made *that*
< 1429247646 163739 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how long until a RPi with 2 or more gigs of RAM.
< 1429247723 610851 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ddr3 ram hot swappable?
< 1429247728 450073 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1429247740 422156 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i'm only putting one in?
< 1429247760 143371 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still no, but at least less obviously so.
< 1429247785 903900 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess I should shut down beofre trying this then
< 1429247798 502915 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, do you *have* some spare RAM handy?
< 1429247799 737392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the ram arrive already
< 1429247807 138612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newegg shipping really is a marve
< 1429247807 812499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1429247832 918884 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some ram that may or may not be fried due to an incident
< 1429247842 764002 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1429247847 777247 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might I recommend memtest86?
< 1429247859 304630 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429247865 374128 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1429247899 158990 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
< 1429247993 106258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well either he will have more RAM or his computer will catch fire
< 1429247999 667623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way we won't have to hear about it any more
< 1429248007 618765 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like winning.
< 1429248041 694881 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just tinker with my silly HTTP server s'more then.
< 1429248068 947256 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(y'know it's lazy when it uses dprintf!)
< 1429248199 261086 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, more to the point, when it uses a thread per connection. :)
< 1429248205 699200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi rdococ
< 1429248237 406156 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1429248297 554580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell whether you hilighted me on purpose
< 1429248316 236032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must be missing some context
< 1429248342 505763 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who highlighted you
< 1429248408 845866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not
< 1429248470 241834 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, what did you see
< 1429248506 671371 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh... 
< 1429248510 608072 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find tool says nothing
< 1429248529 265736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"slbkbs" highlights me but i guess that wasn't related
< 1429248540 552877 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429248565 157050 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1429248575 260132 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh my scroll bar
< 1429248575 708849 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: We did actually talk about jsgif so that might have been all that was needed.
< 1429248612 427106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's such a terrible program
< 1429248618 622626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the lzw decoding
< 1429248625 153063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :utter scow
< 1429248638 826662 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be as bad as the gzip decoder I've got laying around here.
< 1429248650 547178 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the PNG encoder. :)
< 1429248668 601809 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah its back to normal
< 1429248712 801599 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429248733 46933 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on that i still have 2GB of ram, thi ram is indeed fried
< 1429248864 510461 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also taped the case shut more ecurely
< 1429248906 442471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are people being fake humble about their code
< 1429248919 60772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what does slbkbs mean
< 1429248931 175372 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I'm openly mocking my code. It's impressive shit.
< 1429248949 489470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it's actually terrible
< 1429248959 391270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does shachaf have a middle name starting with l
< 1429248966 464298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE
< 1429248983 745494 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you write a PNG encoder that doesn't do compression you know it's terrible.
< 1429248988 953370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, who's the s at the end
< 1429249291 459225 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PNG supports raw data?
< 1429249327 375225 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you don't have to compress to output zlib data.
< 1429249399 443711 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429249402 225753 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1429249410 5493 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1429249483 175467 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just a output a bunch of literal blocks
< 1429249509 394750 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep!
< 1429249742 36468 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, literal blocks are used for when the data is too hard to compres... I guess in this case, you just give up beofre you even start
< 1429250718 860266 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blocks
< 1429251043 402351 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1429251188 309542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell olsner <olsner> isn't it spelled trawling when you do it to fish? <-- different terms hth
< 1429251188 400249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1429251240 536067 :zadock!~zadock@5-13-166-44.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1429251358 810738 :zadock!~zadock@5-13-166-44.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429251415 155046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell olsner mainly trolling uses a line but trawling uses a net, i think.  except there seems to be some overlap in meaning.
< 1429251415 254409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1429251979 338819 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429252311 910606 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello
< 1429252326 834765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION g'day
< 1429252431 315042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat why didn't i see int-e's response right underneath
< 1429252451 563275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a scow hth bbq
< 1429252769 628117 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand this comparing of programs to boats thing
< 1429252783 882343 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes a piece of code especially like a boat?
< 1429252800 542771 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a proof of Sylow's first theorem yesterday and it seemed really elegant
< 1429252804 285271 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I have forgotten it
< 1429252820 426698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so elegant it slides right through
< 1429253301 118855 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, DMM is doing a patreon to bring IWC back
< 1429253332 17540 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.patreon.com/dmmaus
< 1429253384 549474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IWC? i thought it would be for general projects
< 1429253477 773232 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$50 goal was for 1 new IWC comic a week
< 1429253490 665403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1429253501 357103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't visit the patreon page before
< 1429253541 118541 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$75 is for *two* comics a week
< 1429253557 361245 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :$54000 is for the Allosaurus' presidential campaign
< 1429253639 815841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says $42,000,000
< 1429253656 820714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry about the scow hth
< 1429253678 417048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OKAY tdh hand bbq fnord
< 1429253765 671533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the l is a finnish translation of the s hth
< 1429253773 67754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1429253809 777042 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a poor memory for numbers
< 1429253822 644462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lokki guy
< 1429253851 510779 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Morgan Mar is someone who changed my life without really meaning to
< 1429253957 229845 :Sgeo|web!44c2a85f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.194.168.95 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1429254006 100579 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1429254017 878271 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it weren't for him I'd probably be doing a pure maths degree
< 1429254030 503741 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1429254037 697434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing instead?
< 1429254039 393154 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A degree that is only maths
< 1429254047 872113 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am doing a degree that is maths and computer science
< 1429254061 947342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which maths twh
< 1429254161 447432 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now, a fair amount of group theory and a bit of linear algebra
< 1429254235 62786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, you should teach me about linear algebra
< 1429254302 203882 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are things called vector spaces over a given field, which have some axioms
< 1429254326 106838 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are things called linear transformations which are really vector space homomorphisms
< 1429254342 696182 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing is, linear transformations work out to be almost but not quite matrices
< 1429254438 819687 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if a property holds true for all matrices that are similar to one representing a linear transformation, something like it will be true for the linear transformation itself!
< 1429254486 761576 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's basically all I know
< 1429254542 993520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you elaborate on the last bit
< 1429254564 81906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the past i would have asked things like whoa, where do matrices come from. but now i know the answer
< 1429254572 222024 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429254645 210062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when a matrix and a patrix love each other very much...
< 1429254676 421606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "diagonal matrix" correspond to
< 1429254688 171217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a base-dependent notion
< 1429254694 61770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1429254702 269575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, what does "diagonalizable matrix" correspond to
< 1429254726 598255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it has a spanning set of eigenvectors
< 1429254735 883032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "doubly-stochastic matrix"
< 1429254745 719669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are left eigenvectors
< 1429254771 334931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ordinary eigenvectors of the transpose
< 1429254787 923073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, what's the transpose of a matrix
< 1429254796 291414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not entirely sure what "doubly-stochastic" means
< 1429254807 507369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the matrix is stochastic and also its transpose is stochastic
< 1429254811 347200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a matrix it's simply the same as haskell transpose
< 1429254819 491800 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, the transpose of a matrix is a contravariant endofunctor
< 1429254819 915349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. rows and columns sum to 1
< 1429254841 580539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in terms of linear transformations, not of matrices
< 1429254875 474566 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are transposes of similar matrices similar?
< 1429254915 319686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a linear transformation, and a functional on its range space, then you can compose them to get another functional on the domain
< 1429254941 597904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a linear transformation of the dual spaces in the opposite direction, so a contravariant functor
< 1429254984 493840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need to choose a basis?
< 1429254988 165066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i've forgotten what similar means
< 1429254997 866262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, not for the l.t. concept
< 1429255014 266136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to _identify_ the space with its dual space, you need a basis.
< 1429255017 621325 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, two matrices A and B are similar if there exists a matrix C such that A = CBC^-1
< 1429255074 645423 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In terms of linear algebra, that means that a linear transformation is still valid if you change your basis
< 1429255075 507901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's preserved by transposes
< 1429255096 421477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :A^t = (C^t)^-1 B^t (C^t)
< 1429255119 327770 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh
< 1429255131 162140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :transposition reverses order of multiplication and preserves inverses
< 1429255132 895738 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense
< 1429255192 968641 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to do some linear algebra revision at some point
< 1429255341 525082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think stochastic is pretty base-dependent.  it's essentially that inner product with the vector (1,1,...,1) is preserved.  And maybe some positivity requirement.  No wait I think that's automatic.
< 1429255366 418449 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah! We started doing inner products the other day
< 1429255367 595543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it hm
< 1429255401 654498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i thought it had some basis-invariant properties
< 1429255407 135744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not
< 1429255886 889277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :another linear algebra puzzle is why do people say "eigenvector with eigenvalue 1" instead of "fixed point" twh
< 1429255939 766828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's silly to use a special name for a special case if it has no interesting special properties, or something.
< 1429255940 726509 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sometimes they do say "a fixed point" 
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< 1429257606 130472 :fizzia!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't know how I could design an interpreter to interpret a picture. " 
< 1429257607 265064 :fizzia!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O
< 1429257665 123757 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut?
< 1429257808 480347 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :..well, how?
< 1429257817 35362 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1429257835 969949 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? are you staring at me through your screen?
< 1429257842 289063 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1429257857 614771 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh scrollbar
< 1429257922 4200 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop judging me through your screen
< 1429258026 96150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he's just pietying you
< 1429258091 582595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wiki piet
< 1429258091 637340 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/piet
< 1429258130 436487 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Version14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42587&oldid=30453 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-7) 10instructions whose labels match this regular expression will not be executed.
< 1429258132 645093 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... this is an interesting result. 
< 1429258140 230941 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of Piet, yes
< 1429258181 967955 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My experimental compression alogrithm, followed by gzip, beats gzip done alone
< 1429258189 700073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCELLENT
< 1429258199 672829 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does it take a million years?
< 1429258211 614688 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai
< 1429258213 590724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think orin is that old
< 1429258220 752710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzia: nice unconfusing nick
< 1429258233 327322 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is it lossy compression (if that even makes sense for folders)
< 1429258245 481447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT
< 1429258251 583692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats fizzia -----###
< 1429258267 85651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was like "would fizzie really use o_O"
< 1429258293 656622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't notice that.
< 1429258296 698395 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is completely lossless...
< 1429258321 532544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaves most of his spammer recognition to elliott 
< 1429258329 694770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also trolls
< 1429258357 643293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think we've seen any of the regular trolls in a while...
< 1429258362 125429 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/tyoi4.jpg
< 1429258390 830658 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see screenshot. the file out is the compressed of the file 14.12.23
< 1429258402 288280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean like c'er or h'rd
< 1429258412 514648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or someone else
< 1429258413 886457 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you decompress it?
< 1429258414 366183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: y's
< 1429258416 449983 :fizzia!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: well you read in an image into a pixel array?
< 1429258430 125217 :fizzia!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :images are good for 2D languages probably because they are already 2D
< 1429258435 330424 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1429258448 418700 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1429258450 506587 :fizzia!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :videos are good for 3D languages
< 1429258454 733686 :fizzia!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are already 3D
< 1429258457 204134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: i cannot quite fathom how people can stand transparent text windows.
< 1429258458 974706 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about 1D?
< 1429258472 48225 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess you could use text
< 1429258476 753823 :fizzia!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always have a width*1 picture
< 1429258480 121223 :fizzia!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's 1D
< 1429258483 641296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the cool part is that those screenshots are jpegs
< 1429258485 447488 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a height=1
< 1429258489 885482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they look even worse than they otherwise would
< 1429258514 991677 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snag.gy/CgJuv.jpg
< 1429258532 798857 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here no transparent
< 1429258663 242755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't complaining, just unfathoming
< 1429258718 763533 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/Ct6O7c <- compressor http://arin.ga/36DMJG <- uncompressor
< 1429258838 414594 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been experimenting with variants of thi sort of thing for a bit
< 1429258978 630605 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is that many files do not use every byte from 00 to ff. we can encode pairs of bytes they use a lot, like '==' using them.
< 1429259033 293194 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we append, say \000==  to the start of file, then inside file replace every \000 with ==  and vice versa
< 1429259180 363834 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So even if there is like one capital R or something we can still use Rll to reduce size if there are a lot of 'll's.
< 1429259265 826408 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429259291 836855 :fizzia!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh. right.
< 1429259293 439342 :fizzia!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :mroman
< 1429259297 208573 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never changed it back.
< 1429259709 358664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: i don't really see this beating a huffman encoding. why do you do it?
< 1429259794 791101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean you don't like ScopedTypeFamilies? (The confusion about the order arose because I copied the second example first, and then worked from an editor)
< 1429259837 255707 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: this algorithm, followed my gzip, beats gzip used alone
< 1429259845 687600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm sure they will revolutionize haskell once they're implemented
< 1429259853 717588 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if you're gonna rename things to shorter things, might as well go further. for instance, in the file with one R and tons of ll, would it not make sense to swap all ll's for R's? but this idea just ends up leading to a huffman coding if taken to its extreme
< 1429259867 86935 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and I'm not consciously providing any unboxed types in lambdabot but how can I ever be sure?
< 1429259909 681382 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: my algorithm already does that
< 1429259919 494998 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does what?
< 1429259949 163707 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when @let lets you import new modules as long as they're safe... which makes it tricky to get anything that reexports stuff from GHC.Exts; it would have to come from a trusted package; but not impossible, I suppose.
< 1429259963 488051 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes through all x,y,z and if occurs(yz)-occurs(x) is large enough it swaps all x for yz and vice versa
< 1429259999 536406 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds slow
< 1429260014 695043 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is slow to compress, but very fast to uncompress
< 1429260045 619436 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but again...why stop there? you could swap some uncommon letters for very common trigrams or tetragrams too!
< 1429260049 595763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i actually found out how to get unboxed kinds
< 1429260076 626283 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are those kinds for types of unboxed values?
< 1429260079 537786 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: eaxtly... 
< 1429260080 959025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = let #42 = x in x in typeOf f
< 1429260082 461769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:11: parse error in let binding: missing required 'in'
< 1429260084 524805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1429260102 239066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = let 42# = x in x in typeOf f
< 1429260103 585111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Int# -> Int#
< 1429260106 120917 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, literals. right.
< 1429260120 268643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. I should've known.
< 1429260134 266722 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I knew that MagicHash is in there)
< 1429260147 667273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it seems it _refuses_ to let you take apart that kind
< 1429260155 73107 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because, you know, "what harm could it possibly do?)
< 1429260198 603927 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty typeOf
< 1429260199 121282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let f x = 2 :: Int where {3# = x}; p2 :: t a b -> Proxy t; p2 _ = Proxy in typeRep (p2 f)
< 1429260199 990317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typeable a => a -> TypeRep
< 1429260202 657354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1429260206 125953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = 2 :: Int where {3# = x}; p2 :: t a b -> Proxy t; p2 _ = Proxy in typeRep (p2 f)
< 1429260207 485366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match kind ‘*’ with ‘#’
< 1429260207 539927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     When matching types
< 1429260207 539975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       a0 :: *
< 1429260235 622688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1429260243 195191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = 2 :: Int where {3# = x}; p2 :: t b -> Proxy t; p2 _ = Proxy in typeRep (p2 f)
< 1429260244 606904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (->) Int#
< 1429260290 359485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's some kind of protection against removing unboxed arguments from a -> b
< 1429260315 84553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also i tried unboxed tuples before i remembered ghci doesn't support them)
< 1429260341 425678 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: i would guess there would be some types of files that it does poorly, on account of they already use all available bytes, or each byte is used with roughly equal frequency. (notice this is not the same condition as the sort of randomness you see in compressed files)
< 1429260357 811061 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1429260384 489955 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com
< 1429260395 371943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does that mean that the kind of a function on an unboxed type is not supposed to have (->) as the top kind constructor?
< 1429260452 104266 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but consider for example acrives of C code... they might not even use the characters @ or ` 
< 1429260465 74808 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i want to see? a lossy english language compression algorithm. one that is guaranteed to decompress to grammatical english text with the same approximate semantics as the compressed file, but not exactly the same file
< 1429260504 242994 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... maybe we can compress synonyms to the same number?
< 1429260506 688450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> (Because, you know, "what harm could it possibly do?) <-- well the manual explicitly says it doesn't import anything or change semantics, so the literals is all you get immediately
< 1429260508 240121 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps because it maps synonyms to the same word, or considers certain sentence structures equivalent...
< 1429260521 885554 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you have to ask the journalist bots for that. they already have a model to rewrite journal articles with the same meaning (not compress though), to very quickly produce articles that aren't direct quotes of the article they steal from
< 1429260548 38785 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i'd love to check those out
< 1429260548 948348 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh. it would be good if it eliminated double negatives and the passive voice
< 1429260669 78015 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: well, it would be difficult to eliminate double negatives. sometimes people actually use double negatives to intensify negatives, rather than flip back to positives. or you could just say "this is guaranteed to work only if you start with something grammatical and formal. start throwing conversational or dialectal stuff at it at your own risk"
< 1429260761 235599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it means that -> with unboxed kinds involved is deeply magical and confuses things at the core stage.  and it's the same kind of magic that we used to make an exploit involving * vs. Constraint.  although they've patched enough now that i don't think there's an exploit in HEAD any longer.
< 1429260788 930993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically => and -> _are_ the same constructor, afa core is concerned.
< 1429260796 778170 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see
< 1429261016 928265 :zadock!~zadock@5-13-166-44.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1429261239 133089 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of data naturally has an unlabelled undirected graph structure?
< 1429261330 768417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's hard to do *any* semantics-preserving transformation on english text
< 1429261461 635225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :exercise: prove there are no two english phrases with the exact same semantics hth
< 1429261580 608864 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello and hi
< 1429261681 668028 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ppp
< 1429261681 763020 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1429261682 726205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (k :: BOX) (k1 :: BOX) (a :: k -> k1 -> *) (b :: k) (c :: k1). a b c -> Proxy c
< 1429261702 359406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let c _ = 1# in ppp c
< 1429261705 61238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match kind ‘*’ with ‘#’
< 1429261705 166801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     When matching types
< 1429261705 224525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       c :: *
< 1429261711 553033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, weird.
< 1429261784 810065 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can't prove that. there are text with identical semantics, it's just that we can't handle English with computers well enough to find them
< 1429261825 102784 :zadock!~zadock@5-13-177-180.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429261840 840773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you can't prove that either hth
< 1429261848 156885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in particular, if you have a long spam advertisment mail, its semantics doesn't change if you modify its end to almost anything, after the part that's enough to make it clearly a spam ad. however, recognizing spam ad mails automatically is difficult
< 1429261866 650363 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429261965 342428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but then again, type-level (->) is weird; I mean..
< 1429261969 965248 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k (->)
< 1429261970 22786 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1429261970 889435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> * -> *
< 1429261972 383300 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: obviously. else it would be done already. for all i know, even the simple not-guaranteed-to-work version i envision is already AI-hard
< 1429261981 31381 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::a
< 1429261985 187383 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k (->)
< 1429261986 285586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> * -> *
< 1429262011 484583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think some such transformations are done in practice
< 1429262012 881581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is hard
< 1429262047 769445 :zadock!~zadock@5-13-177-180.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429262074 507185 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need something to do
< 1429262139 266061 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : rdococ: learn steno
< 1429262145 598370 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :steno?
< 1429262367 376810 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :steganography
< 1429262379 710290 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :f|`-`|f: ...
< 1429262381 602688 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the art of hiding things in plain sight
< 1429262395 940255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that steno = stenography, a short script.
< 1429262467 335214 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :steno -> short script
< 1429262468 229595 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess you could say that the 'ga' was hidden in plain sight and you found it...
< 1429262478 336612 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stegano -> concealing messages in script
< 1429262495 86475 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually see people use steno in place of steganography
< 1429262502 46720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stenorphy
< 1429262512 249192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oregano - a herb
< 1429262517 30801 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :f|`-`|f: well, they shouldn't ;)
< 1429262524 80737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stegosaurus - a dinosaur
< 1429262558 860766 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ do you have a nkro keyboard?
< 1429262583 253735 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a qwerty keyboard
< 1429262586 331326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the steganosauri are still among us
< 1429262606 928353 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 bade mate
< 1429262614 855826 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :??
< 1429262619 448520 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have Gregg Steno book around my desk
< 1429262623 783559 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is neat
< 1429262632 887700 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1429262693 484284 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :Stenosteganography | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1429262720 108686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i can understand that they don't want to allow unlifted types as type parameters, i just don't see why it should claim that the other match is a *
< 1429262756 626207 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: At this point I rather suspect that the defaulting of -> to * -> * -> * is somewhat overaggressive.
< 1429262933 258010 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an issue of kinds
< 1429262936 390171 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not types
< 1429262950 318811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for example, and this is pure speculation, if that happens whenever the solver sees a standalone (->), then a b c = Int# -> Int# would be decomposed into a :: k -> k1 -> k2 = (->) :: * -> * -> *, b :: k1 = Int# :: # and c :: k2 = Int# :: #...
< 1429262964 374804 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1429262966 629230 :zadock!~zadock@5-13-232-56.residential.rdsnet.ro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429262995 390921 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so youare trying to figure out how to deal with kindedness
< 1429262997 30335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm...
< 1429263007 870451 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not why -> has a kind of * -> * -> *
< 1429263029 464525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i know why the standalone (->) gets that kind.
< 1429263059 432860 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it involve (a -> b) :: *
< 1429263074 111263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i don't understand is how a function that is already of type Int# -> Int#, doesn't allow you to split out the (->) :: # -> # -> * that is already in there
< 1429263076 574167 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bumpy jumpy
< 1429263106 310074 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because kinds are in terms of types, they aren't functions per se
< 1429263113 477539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah headache
< 1429263113 724504 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hence "overaggressive"
< 1429263147 411189 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not until you get to liquid of dependant types, but that is way ahead of my pay grade
< 1429263158 46483 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or* not of
< 1429263272 577138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh i see what you mean, the * comes from (->) not from the b or c
< 1429263322 100233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a weird thing to do. also this worked:
< 1429263351 131519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f x = 2 :: Int where {3# = x}; p2 :: t b -> Proxy t; p2 _ = Proxy in typeRep (p2 f)
< 1429263352 737695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (->) Int#
< 1429263405 715408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while it doesn't if you make the result of f unboxed
< 1429263512 371466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot quite tell if this is a bug or an intended feature
< 1429263548 648494 :zadock!~zadock@5-13-232-56.residential.rdsnet.ro QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1429263589 812251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if i try to replace a by Int# i get "Illegal unlifted type" instead.
< 1429263602 204967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i suspect it's intended.
< 1429263714 818717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1429263967 744680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f|`-`|f: I'm not sure this is relevant to what oerjan is talking about
< 1429263983 379923 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed
< 1429263983 490367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is talking about representations of types with Typeable
< 1429264150 871456 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: looking at a type-checking traces... found this bit: http://sprunge.us/JNUB
< 1429264219 902035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1429264235 714821 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Heh, plural. The thing is over 1000 lines... maybe that justifies this abuse of grammar.)
< 1429264263 283540 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you do know about -ddump-tc-trace, right?
< 1429264307 469914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not specifically.
< 1429264402 219757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, all of this makes it even less likely that there's a way to get Typeable confusion out of this.
< 1429264965 653816 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish (programming language)14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42588&oldid=42567 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+4) 10Made 'Turing-complete' a link to wiki.
< 1429265054 901562 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript/HTML interpreter14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42589&oldid=42557 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+83) 10/* HTML code */
< 1429265346 666338 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429265907 845243 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( Type
< 1429265908 111933 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Type : 12Type
< 1429266012 192678 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429266301 530707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aftlexarnoondre
< 1429266336 575792 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ok, I was right. http://sprunge.us/FLGU ... so when some t -> u (i.e. FunTy t u) gets decomposed into (->) [t, u], that's when the (->) gets a * -> * -> * constraint.
< 1429266341 526996 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsoren matsen!
< 1429266409 150003 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: To compensate for this, if the type checker unifies t -> u with t' -> u', it will not decompose, but unify t with t' and u with u' directly.
< 1429266428 737496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1429266455 50982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i didn't know the change had to do with Arrows
< 1429266458 589936 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and, as the comment says, (->) t y is not the same as t -> u. That bit is good to know.
< 1429266506 885285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i do not know what you did there
< 1429266552 281715 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did not fully understand this either; obviously Arrow expects an argument of kind * -> * -> *, but I didn't see the problem with providing something more general (which could then be specialized)
< 1429266555 503835 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you used the other part of my name, so I went with what I remembered was yours. IMO, it doesn't fit well with French mornings.
< 1429266580 395179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you may have misremembered.
< 1429266591 632709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the -se
< 1429266595 190422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-sen
< 1429266622 864577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you think i'm sørensen
< 1429266626 934679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL YOU'RE WRONG
< 1429266641 680683 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1429266704 560425 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1429266762 545957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh i think the problem is the idea that the Arrow instance would have the same kind, but there's no reason that cannot be restricted to *
< 1429266778 399502 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1429266780 884816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how morning
< 1429266807 192418 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should that be bon matily
< 1429266880 438601 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matintopia!
< 1429266896 737647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i have the feeling the Arrow explanation doesn't hold water, then.
< 1429267217 241716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they would have had to change the tcSplitTyConApp_maybe line to extract the kinds of arg and res, then.
< 1429267236 784460 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429267378 677556 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can imagine that having several different funTyCon values around (same constructor, but different kinds) would get messy; especially when those kinds are ? and ??... (does ghc even know about these explicitly? judging by the definition of isSubOpenTypeKindKey in compiler/types/Kind.hs that doesn't seem to be the case anymore[4~))
< 1429267453 423930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they merged ? and ?? when they let unboxed tuples become arguments
< 1429267517 183516 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/d8d541d85defcf3bbbddaeee8cfac70b74f47ffc/compiler/types/Kind.hs#L190-L205
< 1429267558 642229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: okArrowArgKindCon = isSubOpenTypeKindCon  and  okArrowResultKindCon = isSubOpenTypeKindCon
< 1429267603 651623 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hmm. openTypeKindTyConKey *mumble*
< 1429267645 795628 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1429267748 237124 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'm lost. And I should do different stuff anyway.
< 1429267752 174754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should clearly implement edward's method
< 1429267759 417085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*edwardk
< 1429267777 658243 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? unsafeCoerce is ok unless the compiler can prove it's wrong?
< 1429267818 854165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, from https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858#comment:89
< 1429267821 379159 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429267881 134071 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that
< 1429267894 938549 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce is unsafe
< 1429267904 763357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: *GSAP*
< 1429267917 583187 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wait until you see reallyUnsafePointerEquality
< 1429267939 844058 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote roconnor unsafeCoerce
< 1429267939 982584 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :roconnor says: unsafeCoerce isn't even safe
< 1429267940 893002 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, reallyUnsafePtrEquality#
< 1429267953 560328 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote int-e unsafeCoerce
< 1429267953 807196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e says: What, unsafeCoerce# is kind-preserving? how boring :/
< 1429267965 532067 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1429267966 251858 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this predates polykinds)
< 1429267989 107603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's still true, of course, but it's less funny now)
< 1429268024 704529 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote reallyUnsafePtrEquality
< 1429268024 758989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. My pet ferret can type better than you!
< 1429268029 890072 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity :)
< 1429268168 499350 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, it sounds like a rather big change to me. so I wouldn't hold my breath
< 1429268190 126597 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429268216 426143 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why does Constraint come in here in first place?
< 1429268226 924351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see why unboxed types have to be handled separately, 
< 1429268246 929664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's because => is just another name for ->
< 1429268249 306704 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why can't Constraint actually be an ordinary * typed value?
< 1429268260 128464 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, but can't it just _really_ be that?
< 1429268269 959847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the compiler internals that is, without lying to itself?
< 1429268283 137869 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it necessary to handle it separately in some cases?
< 1429268362 928801 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ordinary values can be bottom; evidence never should be. so if anything, it'd have to be some unlifted thing ...
< 1429268374 184212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what? why not?
< 1429268390 611024 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, evidence can be lazy, 
< 1429268397 125900 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why can't it also be bottom?
< 1429268419 689421 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you want to be able to erase it
< 1429268440 115056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean especially if higher-rank types are involved
< 1429268470 992881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even without that
< 1429268500 101211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't understand what you mean by "erase" there. doesn't "erase" usually just mean to pass around the evidence or type in runtime?
< 1429268530 955083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Constraint and * weren't distinguished, you could write f :: (Ord a, Int) => Int and what would that mean
< 1429268532 840009 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, "erase" and "remove" and "delete" means way too many things, because we've ran out of synonyms everywhere, but still in this sense)
< 1429268539 213428 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coerce :: (a ~ b) => a -> b <-- no evidence is ever passed to coerce; the equality is satisfied by the caller.
< 1429268563 78387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it would mean a question-mark constraint probably, like (Ord a, ?a :: Int) => 
< 1429268576 313167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but under which name?
< 1429268589 460424 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would become much harder when you make (a ~ b) "just another value".
< 1429268627 618519 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also things of Constraint types is something the type checker can manufacture itself (looking up type classes, etc); it cannot produce arbitrary values.
< 1429268662 478889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but in that case, Ord a would _also_ mean ?a :: Ord a because the kind is the only thing distinguishing them
< 1429268684 832373 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may not be a foundational reason for treating constraints as values (I don't know; since you can embed them in GADTs that suggests this is theoretically doable), but there are plenty of practical reasons to treat them specially.
< 1429268687 797331 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: um, don't you still have to pass an evidence there, it's just of unit type so it's often optimzied otu or something?
< 1429268711 285998 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: () has two values
< 1429268726 234799 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, and don't you still need two values for passing (a ~ b)?
< 1429268734 363448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bottom and a non-bottom
< 1429268735 220915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you cannot erase that. that's what I meant when I wrote about "something unlifted".
< 1429268754 716211 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no. it's never passed; there is no undefined a ~ b value (except nontermination)
< 1429268841 665244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, I'm talking about nontermination. you could have an existentially quantified value of type, say, (exists a b. (a ~ b) => (a, b)) that is so non-terminating it can't even prove the constraint
< 1429268859 209434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<int-e> oerjan: well, it sounds like a rather big change to me. so I wouldn't hold my breath <-- maybe goldfire could include it since he's already messing with all the kinds
< 1429268864 114081 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now actually passing the constraint might be optimized away because if the constraint is non-terminating then the value is also non-terminating
< 1429268874 979994 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just an implementation detail
< 1429268908 149514 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but you don't have to *represent* nontermination. the caller still may have to do some work to produce the evidence (if the type-checker can't figure it out on the spot), but no value ever gets passed to coerce.
< 1429268945 638976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429268948 193588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno
< 1429268966 995485 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably have to trust the ghc people that this is so
< 1429268989 12080 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429269047 508289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the original problem get solved, the problem where phantom kinds in a type did not get represented in the Typeable?
< 1429269070 317573 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I can now see why this new problem is related to that
< 1429269083 974687 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I stick to what I said initially. a) evidence should be unlifted (so that trivial evidence like type equalities can be erased; clearly class dictionaries are a different matter...), and b) it's good for the type-checker to know where to look for opportunities for manufacturing its own evidence.
< 1429269104 644880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I think you use "erase" in a different sense than I thought
< 1429269118 814491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's solved yes, then we found another problem which is now also solved
< 1429269122 136623 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if you were writing a type theory based theorem prover ... I'd change my opinion and claim the opposite.
< 1429269132 137766 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429269159 546244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: can't the trivial evidence be just optimized out later, when generating the machine code?
< 1429269174 442359 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "erasure" refers to values that clearly exist on the System Fc/whatever level, but have no runtime representation.
< 1429269186 161515 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Only if it's never bottom.
< 1429269197 816225 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: where "bottom" means a non-terminating, undefined value
< 1429269209 726885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which *operationally* makes a huge difference.
< 1429269250 691881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right, that's a different use of "erasure"
< 1429269254 814973 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429269265 39887 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I really should talk about a different domain, where nontermination and undefined are distinct values.)
< 1429269333 725345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f :: ('True ~ 'False) => a; f = launchMissiles
< 1429269354 221007 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that ghc's unboxed types have the same quality: you can write expressions like  let x = 1# + x in ...; despite being unboxed, it's still bottom. but there are no (terminating) undefined values.
< 1429269386 340618 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\.\.\./x/
< 1429269396 964969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what do you mean by a terminating undefined value, for other types? one that throws a runtime exception?
< 1429269400 34574 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :let f : (Ord a, Int) => Int; f = %instance
< 1429269400 266946 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined
< 1429269409 432967 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ↑
< 1429269423 555548 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one that has some side effect when evaluating, but never gets to the point of returning?
< 1429269457 630170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = 1# + x in x
< 1429269458 980383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match kind ‘*’ with ‘#’
< 1429269459 84265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     When matching types
< 1429269459 142304 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       a1 :: *
< 1429269465 652480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: NOPE
< 1429269499 207089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i saw in the manual earlier that recursive definitions of unboxed variables isn't allowed)
< 1429269506 718860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1429269529 319648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be just because + doesn't apply to Int#s
< 1429269549 491734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x = 1# +# x in x
< 1429269550 831501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope: ‘+#’
< 1429269550 960663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1429269551 18460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ‘++’ (imported from Data.List), ‘+’ (imported from Prelude),
< 1429269567 203569 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PROEMINENT CHICKEN
< 1429269570 623215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Data.Typeable GHC.Exts> let x = 1# +# x in x
< 1429269570 680856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<interactive>:42:5: Recursive bindings for unlifted types aren't allowed: x = 1# +# x
< 1429269645 633559 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "unlifted types" the same as "unboxed types"?
< 1429269667 154015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: i don't think idris has coherent instances so it doesn't really apply
< 1429269677 78393 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct.
< 1429269749 89228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: not exactly.  unlifted means "no thunk", unboxed means "no pointer"
< 1429269766 133560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure that when you use the <pre> and <code> tags, you use the unicode variants for the opening and closing tags: &lt; and &gt;.
< 1429269769 86837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1429269771 542816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are unlifted arrays that still use pointers to heap
< 1429269771 867627 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :&lt; isn't unicode
< 1429269794 958897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: BRAAAAINS
< 1429269799 315672 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also:
< 1429269802 587645 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t mkShow
< 1429269802 906017 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09BotPrelude.mkShow : (13a -> 12String) -> 12Show 13a
< 1429269803 637702 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ?
< 1429269809 348132 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see
< 1429269819 94312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well that guy obviously isn't using theirs
< 1429269840 794682 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's taken from a bootstrap how-to website :)
< 1429269850 603112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mainly because they're too big to keep in registers/stack
< 1429269859 248975 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1429269867 274523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaiu from what i read this morning
< 1429269877 966182 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1429269894 667139 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode &lt;
< 1429269895 927314 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429269943 464007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1429269984 804316 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀
< 1429269991 199748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, some actual loop then. let f :: () -> Int#; f x = f x in I# (f ())
< 1429269993 907575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: presumably the distinction between unlifted and unboxed only makes sense for a non-strict language.
< 1429270017 845943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm
< 1429270033 12168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :strict languages have no values that are lifted.
< 1429270076 29763 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for those of type Lazy' t a .
< 1429270077 373881 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Anyway, fun insight: The Scott topology that we so often use to discuss Haskell semantics cannot distinguish between Int and Int# (the two types are isomorphic; note that I# is strict.)
< 1429270080 818909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right, results that never return are allowed.
< 1429270146 947288 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what do you think would be the best fix for these Typeable problems?
< 1429270147 36720 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: t-rex, i left a party early to go have a bath, and there i don't feel like i look down and notice you're not there cannot help but to fade a bit! i meant real emails.
< 1429270214 67804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm
< 1429270240 571521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, a terminating undefined value is something like `undefined` or `error "foo"`.
< 1429270243 79612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1429270252 616226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oops that was to you not mroman 
< 1429270272 720016 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok
< 1429270313 572297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i agree, it would be nice if ghc trac's Cc: worked properly
< 1429270313 676322 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: people have worried! the fact, you were like, " hey, i wonder if i've become one
< 1429270317 429321 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t Show
< 1429270317 614206 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :12Prelude.Show : 12Type -> 12Type
< 1429270325 276123 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense
< 1429270369 629664 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes feel like Idris’ typeclasses currently have the wrong amount of magic.
< 1429270378 591827 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42590&oldid=42568 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+8) 10/* Non-alphabetic */  Added 4
< 1429270380 362888 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07414]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42591 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+117) 10Created stub. Will develop later.
< 1429270399 509978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t error
< 1429270400 642333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Char] -> a
< 1429270420 620431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that a is not *, but OpenKind iirc
< 1429270443 218259 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not.
< 1429270445 190506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so it can be used with unlifted types
< 1429270461 983070 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, they should either be more magical like Haskell’s, perhaps with coherence, or they should be less magical to be more flexible.
< 1429270474 504371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a :: Int#; !a = error "foo" in ()
< 1429270475 917917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Int#’
< 1429270476 63311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1429270476 114444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ‘Int’ (imported from Data.Int), ‘Int8’ (imported from Data.Int)
< 1429270478 613633 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m kinda favoring the latter at the moment.
< 1429270485 677767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1429270494 721667 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: how are they currently magical?
< 1429270495 221655 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry, you're right... very interesting.
< 1429270546 265171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: which means that let e = error does not make e equivalent to error
< 1429270571 566240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm
< 1429270579 108220 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds scary.
< 1429270603 591541 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow it reminds me of JS's `eval`, which changes behaviour if you alias it and invoke the alias
< 1429270606 587625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let !a = error "foo" where 3# = a in ()
< 1429270607 958589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Recursive bindings for unlifted types aren't allowed:
< 1429270608 54888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       !a
< 1429270608 105624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :         = error "foo"
< 1429270613 251144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1429270650 464048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm does that mean
< 1429270663 141509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 3# = error "foo" in ()
< 1429270664 469107 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: foo
< 1429270669 318363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh it does
< 1429270690 797982 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So because 3# is strict, the error is evaluated immediately?
< 1429270695 594058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 3# = e "foo"; e = error in ()
< 1429270696 904797 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Couldn't match kind ‘*’ with ‘#’
< 1429270696 955524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     When matching types
< 1429270697 9079 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       a0 :: *
< 1429270702 628615 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, when binding 3#
< 1429270704 487916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1429270711 732624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yeah so it seems
< 1429270764 801233 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let !a = e "foo"; e = error in ()
< 1429270766 705736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: foo
< 1429270790 289751 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Well, declared instances are available for the search to find alongside local variables, and values of declared classes can only be constructed through an instance declaration. Constraints kick off the search.
< 1429270831 548161 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, operationally there's no problem here; error just traverses the stack, executing various updated frames (which only point to boxed things), until it reaches a catch frame, where it stops.
< 1429270855 665736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does (let 3# = error "foo" in ()) even mean? how can 3# be a pattern? isn't it a literal?
< 1429270866 725923 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429270883 926207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there are numeric rules that make it check equality when you use it as a pattern
< 1429270893 291005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: literals have always been patterns
< 1429270906 699864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, how would fac 0 = 1 work
< 1429270907 654664 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, there's specific rules for them
< 1429270910 852811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to check equality
< 1429270912 550274 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1429270917 722279 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: we're outside of Haskell2010 territory anyway. ghc implements patterns for unboxed ints.
< 1429270923 577924 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a literal is a data constructor
< 1429270930 104697 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: (mkShow does not circumvent the second limitation; it uses a single named instance as glue.)
< 1429270935 184496 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :n#-patterns, if you well
< 1429270936 80950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: not in theory
< 1429270938 888014 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :will
< 1429270939 576877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: nah, not a numeric literal, no
< 1429270945 732706 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hm, okay
< 1429270947 772101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1
< 1429270948 908875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a
< 1429270954 645225 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, true
< 1429270988 257712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> let 3 = x in x
< 1429270989 179763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eq a, Num a) => a -> a
< 1429271001 935814 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: hm, I don't think I know enough about Idris to understand that properly, but thanks anyway
< 1429271011 558759 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should learn Idris
< 1429271014 510794 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 1.0 = () in f 1.0
< 1429271016 27551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ()
< 1429271026 407191 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the fuck
< 1429271053 142634 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 1.0 = () in f (1.0 + 1e-15)
< 1429271054 492823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: <interactive>:3:5-14: Non-exhaustive patterns in function f
< 1429271104 795937 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f : Rational -> (); f 1 = () in f 1
< 1429271106 181768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:18: parse error on input ‘->’
< 1429271113 509403 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f :: Rational -> (); f 1 = () in f 1
< 1429271115 55115 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ()
< 1429271146 373628 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f (1%3) = () in f (1%3)
< 1429271147 633028 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:8: Parse error in pattern: 1 % 3
< 1429271161 977027 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f ((==1%3) -> True) = () in f (1%3)
< 1429271163 222159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ()
< 1429271183 656709 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Priorities
< 1429271213 358935 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do numerical literal patterns turn into use of (==)?
< 1429271223 292353 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yes
< 1429271226 143790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they _removed_ n+k patterns, they're not going to add %
< 1429271263 570938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: and numeric literals as either patterns or values turn to a use of FromInteger or FromRational I think
< 1429271282 946679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: uncapitalized
< 1429271292 422919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1429271297 867783 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromInteger or fromRational
< 1429271308 246194 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was only unclear on the semantics of the patterns.
< 1429271313 991226 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm, so the distinguishing feature of unlifted types is not that they can't be bottom, but that a function cannot be lazy in an unlifted type argument. Fun.
< 1429271361 524222 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is let f ((==1%3) = () in f (1%3)
< 1429271363 258157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: erm... OKAY
< 1429271370 617644 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope nobody actually uses floating point patterns
< 1429271385 558358 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 % 3
< 1429271386 794219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 % 3
< 1429271388 671183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry, I'm having an epiphany here.
< 1429271393 412263 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (%)
< 1429271394 515082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integral a => a -> a -> Ratio a
< 1429271402 419656 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The only reasonable uses for those would be matching Infinity or NaN, but neither of those can be achieved.)
< 1429271405 400565 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 % 6
< 1429271405 743382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ((==1%3) -> True) is a view pattern
< 1429271406 762759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 % 3
< 1429271412 258618 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. 
< 1429271417 13229 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't looked at recent extensions.
< 1429271432 957095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not _that_ recent >:)
< 1429271445 917765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not in haskell terms :D
< 1429271458 472891 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let (∶) = (%)
< 1429271460 990067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1429271472 846511 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (The distinction is so very subtle.)
< 1429271499 561754 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type 1∶10000
< 1429271500 690161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integral a => Ratio a
< 1429271507 524100 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let (÷) = (%)
< 1429271509 786402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1429271523 27103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Jafet> I hope nobody actually uses floating point patterns <-- well you could use them Rationals if you wanted
< 1429271526 282908 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I picked RATIO there on purpose.
< 1429271565 888603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 i = i; f x i = f (x/2) (i+1) in f 1 0
< 1429271567 109739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1075
< 1429271573 576173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+for
< 1429271575 201693 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks like a constructor. Imagine the confusion that would sow.
< 1429271584 461355 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have foo=>bar view patterns too now
< 1429271585 451455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1429271594 364057 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, the ones involving a Maybe
< 1429271607 511973 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, never mind
< 1429271615 920296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell syntax extensions in ghc are screwed up anyway
< 1429271618 714090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like them
< 1429271654 417344 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even the list comprehension SQL extensions?
< 1429271657 365551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sacked the syntax czar too early
< 1429271663 268962 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... "paging zzo")
< 1429271669 165094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Jafet -----###
< 1429271709 250194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is silently hoping for an sqlite-based Haskell compiler.
< 1429271718 455558 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Would full monad comprehensions suffice?
< 1429271743 449001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: i think those two extensions are compatible
< 1429271756 424509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, there are classes for the SQL things
< 1429271793 858971 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-----###)
< 1429271795 25218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘-----###’
< 1429271870 242871 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In Idris, comprehensions of course turn into >>= and guard so you can once again do whatever you want. >ω>)
< 1429271870 336249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the weakening of the distinction between values/types/kinds, the type notation is so screwed up
< 1429271902 307573 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bootstrap's global default font-size is 14px, with a line-height of 20px. This is applied to the <body> and all paragraphs. In addition, <p> (paragraphs) receive a bottom margin of half their line-height (10px by default)."
< 1429271913 196998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they choose a pixel sized font-size :(
< 1429271978 134376 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.014 imperial cubits
< 1429272205 714122 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the cubit is the latin equivalent of the ell.
< 1429272549 259044 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's surprising americans actually use hours, seconds and minutes
< 1429272551 750819 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not something else
< 1429272556 3041 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ticks and tocks
< 1429272556 957522 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429272558 829167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thi sis surreal, I'm sitting in an office with a rabbit stuffed toy, and talking nonsense about the ghc type system that I don't understand
< 1429272569 546147 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's have thought my life would get to this?
< 1429272577 726661 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a tick is 0.978 seconds and a tock is 53 ticks
< 1429272735 463482 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1429272902 901933 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: px are not physical pixels.
< 1429272923 757548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that's because hours, seconds and minutes predate the metric system hth
< 1429273013 213706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1429273023 115972 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but days and weeks are are even older
< 1429273145 352969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't type "vocabulary". I keep trying to type "covabulary" instead
< 1429273198 677711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, I once saw a beamer that (apparently, it's the only explanation I have) reported its physical resolution, which made pt-based fonts (which, also apparently, the login manager used...) ridiculously small.
< 1429273280 985767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it would be about 30 dpi)
< 1429273400 970407 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: do you know about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_Calendar ? It didn't catch on...
< 1429273433 134953 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also Swatch time
< 1429273447 451106 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suspect that a big factor in this was that nobody liked having their birthday on quartidi every year.)
< 1429273465 79599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm kidding.)
< 1429274120 86711 :tellybot!~tellybot@host68-74-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429274165 449863 :tellybot!~tellybot@host68-74-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it PART :#esoteric
< 1429274561 93227 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah but it overwrites my default browser font-size
< 1429274711 290647 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a year has ~365 day
< 1429274735 922905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did they do with those 5 days at the end?
< 1429274791 817090 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_Calendar#Complementary_days
< 1429274806 297643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't they have a holiday or something
< 1429275036 843486 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be using internet time anyway
< 1429275040 675822 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently we have 577 beats.
< 1429275053 27905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's @577 to be precise.
< 1429275087 2411 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -eprint time
< 1429275093 184194 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1429275159
< 1429275096 785326 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date +%s
< 1429275097 762335 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1429275164
< 1429275132 491689 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: oh you were not saying that they should've used pt instead...
< 1429275257 919708 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42592&oldid=42591 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+3145) 10Added summary, table of functions, formatting (check for correct wiki formatting?) and basic example code.
< 1429275639 900044 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1429276288 270629 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: there are an unbounded number of memory cells, numbered from 1 onwards. you can move between them using the operations 2n, (n-1)/3, and collatz function
< 1429276333 402273 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07414]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42593&oldid=42592 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+172) 10/* Sample codes */ Added Hello World program
< 1429276414 373088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that gives you at least a one-sided tape on powers of 2
< 1429276481 686790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact an infinite number, although moving between them is more awkward.
< 1429276507 394326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429276540 830449 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually, should one be allowed to go to 4 from 13? because if yes, you do (n-1)/3, then collatz, and end in someplace completely different
< 1429276548 628313 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, it would no longer be a tree
< 1429276572 901578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1429276595 624208 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just stick to powers of two
< 1429276604 267840 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42594&oldid=42590 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (-16) 10/* D */  Removed Daft Punk - Have given up on the project
< 1429276607 539051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n-1)/3 only if you end up at an odd number, naturally
< 1429276659 539199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daft Punk14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42595&oldid=42234 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (-317) 10Removed all text - please delete the page (project given up)
< 1429276689 352336 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, make a competition: limit n to 2^16, and write programs that can reverse strings up to some length M; the person with the best M/sqrt(program size) ratio wins.
< 1429276707 250989 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure what the scoring formula should be)
< 1429276751 818632 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02Daft Punk10]]": Author request: content was: "{{stub}}" (and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Vriskanon|Vriskanon]]")
< 1429276752 281935 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can that simulate a RAM with logarithmic overhead?
< 1429277240 139516 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429277340 137312 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1429277613 912644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1429277725 884920 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Vriskanon14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42596&oldid=42266 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+10) 10/* Vriskanon */ Added credit for 4
< 1429278061 961697 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1429278201 776383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429278920 894148 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are going to be 2 new IWC comics A WEEK
< 1429278923 9191 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaah
< 1429278972 76211 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IWC?
< 1429278979 993725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/
< 1429278994 854090 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1429279588 201638 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429279977 469442 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Good evening.
< 1429279977 576030 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so, hey, it was our table! if he's interested, he'll push it back to your side. the salt shaker over to their side, this means that, for all intents and purposes
< 1429280003 990696 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what a cliffhanger...
< 1429280004 55712 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in a good story, they function in an undiagnosable way?
< 1429280013 634360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: spot on
< 1429280013 739282 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so! i intend to do today! we can't hang up the phone to talk to a t-rex... nostalgia, doesn't that make them equally valid?!
< 1429280030 954024 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth
< 1429280064 665731 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still want to know what pushing the salt shaker over to their side means :-/
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< 1429281107 262741 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can't hang up the phone to do that, indeed.
< 1429281222 467212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: probably he wanted to show a trick with the salt shaker, like Reg from ''Dirk Gently'' did
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< 1429281261 20319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: good idea (great trick, too.)
< 1429281303 863337 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What does the shalt shaker mean?
< 1429281303 920842 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: and so: " probably not!"
< 1429281309 490465 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1429281384 467962 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what can you tell us about electric monks?
< 1429281384 577659 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: dromiceiomimus, i have a great idea, dromiceiomimus: stories for women! stories with " and in april, your ' i got it'" letters forever
< 1429281407 55701 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can we try that again?
< 1429281407 199916 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i i guess!
< 1429281412 50485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: go ahead then
< 1429281412 154697 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: as a man concerned, t-rex, that going shopping was your default activity? by this i mean, t-rex?
< 1429281476 531254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I like shopping.
< 1429281476 743356 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i've never been to the bottom of a bottle. doctor: as a male, i can be one of those people are going to think you're a pedophile, and he's on a friggin' universe. and then there'll be a day shortly afterwards when we can simulate universe on our cell, because there'd have been no controversy.
< 1429281487 954573 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Oh, and for some reason the phrase "horses were so cheap to make" stuck to my mind.
< 1429281519 338071 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: where's that phrase from?
< 1429281522 968774 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That doctor sounds weird.
< 1429281523 105302 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: but t-rex, you can't play the game optimally! and assuming that in a man... or a woman, dromiceiomimus
< 1429281523 883314 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: same book
< 1429281543 314456 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: they allowed the [electric monk] to keep his horse though, because horses were so cheap to make
< 1429281544 238198 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to re-read that book. it's been a lot of time.
< 1429281595 758654 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lot of/long/
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< 1429283462 134364 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb>   There are going to be 2 new IWC comics A WEEK   ← sounds rather regular
< 1429283525 735142 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: from http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/special/faq.html "But so far this comic has been more regular than many webcomics that actually claim to be updated regularly!"
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< 1429283822 665141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, http://www.savagechickens.com/2015/04/stomping.html totally looks like qwantz
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< 1429287690 26097 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the docs for booktabs
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< 1429287787 644466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 980: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
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< 1429291851 158714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, hello, OK
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< 1429300358 933729 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1429300384 142077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, my yacc implementation has now reached the point where, if everything works out correctly, it can successfully parse something
< 1429300394 565391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. far from 100% functionality, but a sufficient percentage that it works sometimes
< 1429300398 185416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is quite the milestone
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< 1429300500 335774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I found a place where Bison violates the letter of the POSIX spec, because POSIX is asking for something unreasonable
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< 1429300521 661397 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/default-yyclearin.y
< 1429300528 956921 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, looks like I arrived in time to see the last message I sent
< 1429300536 404890 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, as usual, makes no sense
< 1429300537 989077 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1429300551 333327 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was so unreasonable about the POSIX spec?
< 1429300565 963483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't limit the situations in which yyclearin can be called
< 1429300577 489899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which allows you to retroactively invalidate any sort of optimization that the yacc impl might have made
< 1429300642 603496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can try that example in Bison (or ayacc, it comes to the same thing, default config in both cases)
< 1429300680 142281 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look up what that means
< 1429300701 68689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means I have to do stupid things, like checking to see if the lookahead character has a particular value to know to run a particular reduction, then checking it again to make sure it hasn't changed
< 1429300707 64950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are likely to really slow down parsing
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< 1429300719 199123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on the point of just grepping for "yyclearin" in the user's actions and optimizing if I don't see it
< 1429300719 253870 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :When is a lookahead token read, exactly?
< 1429300729 298474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever it's needed to determine between two possible parses
< 1429300744 404315 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the current lookahead token has not yet been read, yyclearin shall have no effect."
< 1429300767 67232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the example I pasted, it's as clear as possible that that's happening
< 1429300784 521705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you clearly can't distinguish an x from a y without reading the x_indicator or y_indicator
< 1429300789 338324 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's a token that hasn't been shifted yet. the lr parser works in a way that it can apply a grammar rule reducing symbols only if the last symbol that's already been shifted is part of that, it can't reduce "below" the last shifted symbol
< 1429300796 289764 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dunno if that makes sense)
< 1429300845 175125 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what if you just make yyclearin a macro that always gives a compile error saying that feature is unsupported if you try to use it?
< 1429300848 728982 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1429300858 784426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm trying to be POSIX-compatible even when it makes no sense
< 1429300864 657090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why do they put these kinds of things in POSIX?
< 1429300866 903945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at the location of the comment in that example :-)
< 1429300884 556844 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these seem like historical artifacts that were added because they were easy to implement in one particular yacc implementation
< 1429300888 761468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they got stuck
< 1429300892 178812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another fun bit is that the POSIX spec mentions that yychar is renamed by -p, but doesn't define any job for it to do
< 1429300907 639368 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh stupid historical cruft we're carrying
< 1429300908 946465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just didn't implement it
< 1429300939 894186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yyclearin is very easy to implement in almost any yacc implementation, it just invalidates pretty much any optimization you might think of that involves reductions
< 1429300998 735800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it makes sense to put it in an error recovery rule
< 1429300998 978098 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's real interesting. :)
< 1429301016 249485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't think of a different sensible place to put it, IMO it'd be confined to error recovery only
< 1429301017 895933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, yychar is a _variable_, writable?
< 1429301022 144998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense
< 1429301026 792679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Bison, it is
< 1429301028 517925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that not break the states?
< 1429301030 800237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :global variable
< 1429301032 367975 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the parser states?
< 1429301043 667647 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like traditionally it contains the lookahead token.
< 1429301045 686672 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you just write anythign in it?
< 1429301057 689126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reason (probably the only reason) it works is that Bison verifies tokens for syntaxiness on shift, not on reduce
< 1429301058 145327 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Doing so probably invokes UB.
< 1429301091 650761 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the state in traditional yacc is mutable global state that a yacc program isn't permitted to touch.
< 1429301111 975489 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is crazy stuff I didn't want to see or know about
< 1429301116 537919 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to try to unsee it hard now
< 1429301118 766609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to Bison you can just change yychar when you want
< 1429301127 558102 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because yacc straight-up compiles to C code that just mutates all that state.
< 1429301150 463829 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yacc is *not* designed for, say, reentrant use. :))
< 1429301154 275186 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people back then didn't understand encapsulation
< 1429301170 133425 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was designed to compile compilers.
< 1429301173 41777 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's about it.
< 1429301188 959486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the way I'm handling this in ayacc is, it has an entry point yyparse_symbol that takes yylex as an argument
< 1429301196 745701 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is *entirely* suitable for the task of, say, writing a simple C compiler.
< 1429301211 686326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then yyparse is a wrapper around that, which gives it a wrapper around yylex as an argument
< 1429301277 21922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only problem with doing this is that yylex has to /exist/ even if you use the sensible API (although it won't be called)
< 1429301286 168305 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah, spiffy. So essentially none of it assumes that the state is global, it just so happens that when used in a purely POSIX fashion it behaves that way.
< 1429301297 659034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1429301313 148594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad yychar isn't /necessarily/ a global because otherwise I couldn't keep it in sync with yylval
< 1429301316 481539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is necessarily a global)
< 1429301353 200365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and is each parser re-entrant so you can start multiple instances? if so, is there a defined api for how to break out of one cleaning up all the memory it's allocated?
< 1429301361 401768 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done anything with lex, or is flex "good enough" for you? :)
< 1429301379 107832 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, new OOTS this evening
< 1429301403 884658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes to the first; for the second, I don't have destructors or the like, but in a language which has exceptions, if you use exception-safe code it should work
< 1429301433 237084 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you essentially just have to be aware that it's C.
< 1429301471 597872 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind me asking why you started working on ayacc?
< 1429301479 660787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I couldn't find a decent yacc impl for Windows
< 1429301492 739399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how'd she get the knife back? I'll have to read back
< 1429301502 482581 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum. Does ayacc work on not-Windows?
< 1429301508 215839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where I'm testing it
< 1429301514 66731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried it on Windows yet
< 1429301518 484618 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Wonderful.
< 1429301522 523521 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you mean it is guaranteed to allocate memory only on the stack, as in, it won't call malloc?
< 1429301524 337212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not doing anything unportable yet
< 1429301534 53651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right, no malloc anywhere (unless you write it in your semantic actions)
< 1429301539 56253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1429301542 223880 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hopefully by the time it matters musl-on-windows will be an option.
< 1429301552 255929 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure, if I allocate, that's of course mine to cleanup
< 1429301570 154748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need help from a C++ expert to figure out how this should work in C++, you can copy everywhere and it'd work but be inefficient
< 1429301579 874915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it also won't start threads or coroutines or processes of course, right? not that it would make sense, but that's also required for just jumping out to work.
< 1429301600 234715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: to figure out how what should work?
< 1429301606 262295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and copy what everywhere?
< 1429301610 52809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it currently uses setjmp/longjmp in C for error handling
< 1429301614 840695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: semantic values, mostly
< 1429301635 364304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I just pass them around with assignment commands
< 1429301641 874520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and return them and pass them from functions plain
< 1429301672 339200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C they're nearly always integers or pointers, so that works pretty well
< 1429301675 552385 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm... the problem is mostly when you destroy symbols on the stack, either during error handling or when the whole stream is rejected
< 1429301677 62333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in C++ it'd make sense to use objects
< 1429301679 943480 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you need some sort of destructors
< 1429301685 635163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1429301689 876434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bison has a nonstandard extension for this
< 1429301690 102323 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as in, most of the symbols are destroyed when they're reduced
< 1429301700 278128 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lemon handles this sanely actually:
< 1429301717 514506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has destructor function for symbols (terminal and non-terminal) that it calls if they're non-reduced
< 1429301734 688506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :setjmp itself should be no problem unless you somehow call it from inside a user action
< 1429301734 856134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I could implement things like that but it'd cost a lot of performance, as I'd need a separate error path in every function
< 1429301752 504297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even without error handling, you have to do something when the input doesn't match the grammar
< 1429301754 104290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well YYERROR is a longjmp call, but thankfully that's already documented to not terminate normally
< 1429301763 297736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :clean up the symbols on the stack somehow
< 1429301767 631200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it normally compiles to a goto, because traditionally everything's one function
< 1429301837 602298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the POSIX approach is to just leak them
< 1429301844 224677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is completely fine if they're ints
< 1429301856 610659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, something that shocked me is that POSIX yyparse has no way to return a value, other than success/fail
< 1429301871 646353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to write a top-level semantic action that stores it in a global variable
< 1429301922 630034 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a mode where there's no %union but only one type for representing all nonterminals, right? if that's what I do, there'll be no union in the emitted C code?
< 1429301940 346819 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, then it will probably "just work" if you make that one type a C++ object with a destructor,
< 1429301963 412926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right, if you don't use <> marks anywhere
< 1429301966 94530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it might be better if you could make ayacc call some sort of destructor in C mode too
< 1429301972 831725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm having trouble understanding what POSIX says to do in that situation
< 1429301980 571319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some bits imply the global type should be int
< 1429301986 35046 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1429301989 810666 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there another declaration?
< 1429301991 792319 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look this up
< 1429302016 776660 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> from __future__ import division; 1/2**6 * sum(map(lambda n: (-1)**n/2**(10*n) * (-2**5/(4*n+1) - 1/(4*n+3) + 2**8/(10*n+1) - 2**6/(10*n+3) - 2**2/(10*n+5) - 2**2/(10*n+7) + 1/(10*n+9)), range(50)))
< 1429302031 161950 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there not a python bot in here?
< 1429302049 817907 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, at least with C11 you could make it a thread-local and then you'd have *a* way of behaving sanely.
< 1429302053 391901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was like 5 years ago
< 1429302065 917570 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not so
< 1429302069 56644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess HackEgo might be able to do it?
< 1429302069 581627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thread local isn't enoguh
< 1429302076 498611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can call parsers recursively
< 1429302098 245336 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was meaning you could wrap it into a vaguely sane API.
< 1429302102 432223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I wasn't expecting anyone to do that, but yes, I think with ayacc it does actually work
< 1429302120 372020 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the point is, if you're using a union (as in the C/C++ thing) in the emitted code, then it's only your parser's code that's somehow tracking which type it contains, so even the C++ compiler won't know how to destroy the values
< 1429302160 688407 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so there's two choices to clean up properly: either ayacc has to support calling a destructor depending on the type of the symbol (ayacc probably knows the type), or you have to use a single type and no union
< 1429302195 521095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: currently I am using a union, but that's only temporary
< 1429302200 749582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping to optimize the union out
< 1429302214 70465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even inventing a generic syntax for %union that makes sense for languages other than C so that the optimization works
< 1429302227 984112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the rule is "%union consists of a sequence of target-language declarations")
< 1429302230 822133 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can certainly do that in some cases, but I think you need the union in some other cases
< 1429302240 990297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1429302243 837849 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean that way
< 1429302257 191291 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant you'd store just one member instead of the whole union in some cases when you know its type
< 1429302264 554493 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1429302280 572701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I know the type, I want to be storing in a variable of that type
< 1429302296 465754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally you need a union though because you can reduce in two different ways (depending on lookahead) and they have different tyeps
< 1429302308 616650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your function is basically returning a tagged union, so you can unpack it as soon as you arrive at the destination
< 1429302309 127621 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, you almost certainly need a union some times
< 1429302327 222689 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you want to store just a member sometimes, then you have to be able to parse the union declaration, don't you?
< 1429302371 421475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do, but the amount of actual parsing needed is minimal
< 1429302384 232228 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? how so?
< 1429302393 559195 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have to parse out the member name _and_ the type name?
< 1429302399 953224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each elemetn
< 1429302406 786065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I defined %union as "a sequence of target-language declarations", then all you have to do is swap out the member name
< 1429302417 722205 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do you know where the member name is?
< 1429302430 886839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know /what/ the member name is, so you just look for it
< 1429302434 901426 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, how do you even know where the boundary between the members is?
< 1429302438 911484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :semicolons :-)
< 1429302451 149904 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't semicolons occurr inside declarations these days?
< 1429302455 904327 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429302457 636261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the few concessions I had to make, but luckily they're valid as statement separators in most languages
< 1429302471 588597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only case I know, in C at least, is int (/*;*/ *x)
< 1429302474 646031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the like
< 1429302479 833394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I get the semicolon
< 1429302481 598710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think I can get away with a "please don't do that"
< 1429302484 25432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how can you find the member name?
< 1429302501 534543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking about this backwards
< 1429302509 421876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you already know is the member name, what you don't know is the full declaration
< 1429302516 36395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll only appear in one of the declarations, so you know it's that one
< 1429302519 515081 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, more like struct { int u; int v; } foo;
< 1429302521 922216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll only appear once, so you just look for it
< 1429302536 808750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, if you do that, then u and v become invalid as %union tags
< 1429302537 75022 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or struct { int u; char v[';'/4]; } foo; if I want to be evil
< 1429302553 707641 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429302561 849836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit fragile but I think it's an acceptable price, especially if I give an option to disable the optimization
< 1429302565 565952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you know the member name from %type declarations?
< 1429302567 200137 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1429302570 763917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1429302575 600588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if a member name is never used?
< 1429302582 788719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you never have to use it
< 1429302587 382043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't matter that you can't
< 1429302593 690152 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429302613 424589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what if the same symbol as the member name appears in another context in the declarations? I guess that's just don't do it territory
< 1429302658 395045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see, Crystal takes it away from Haley in just the previous strip
< 1429302679 99285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going on the basis that it's not going to be a target-language keyword in almost any cases
< 1429302682 628422 :fractal!~fractal@2001:41d0:a:fab8::1 QUIT :Changing host
< 1429302682 683070 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429302683 226385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*almost all cases
< 1429302694 205029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically you can call a variable $my in Perl, but if you do that, IMO you deserve what you get
< 1429302701 551120 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
< 1429302711 346583 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't mean a keyword. an identifier. but it's a union tag, so it can appear in other structs or something.
< 1429302732 111060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I didn't think of the "struct defined in-place" case
< 1429302741 390174 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, %union { float x; struct { float x, y; } point; }
< 1429302753 639130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it doesn't seem like a /useful/ case, but it's nice to be as general as possible, especially in #esoteric
< 1429302765 461360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could just ban that and ask for the types to be defined elsewhere
< 1429302770 235748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this: if the tag isn't unique in the entire %union definition, I just don't optimize
< 1429302787 612396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if there's an inline struct, you'll have problems with the semicolons anyway
< 1429302832 912580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait wait
< 1429302834 519478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no because ayacc knows enough to not detect semicolons inside braces
< 1429302846 515826 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you actually can't use an in-place defined struct usefully
< 1429302853 290694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't easily refer to it from elsewhere
< 1429302862 770648 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it has a name, you can refer to that name only if you know the name of the union
< 1429302881 591164 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still use it in a type-unsafe way or by using the value in the rules without referring to the types of coures
< 1429302884 527406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a subset-of-C parser, which you need to use to find the end of the %union declaration anyway
< 1429302885 782245 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just less useful
< 1429302896 773292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you do know its name, it's YYSTYPE (specified by POSIX)
< 1429302914 685144 :orin!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429302927 108356 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be fun to use ayacc to put together a naive-but-usable C compiler.
< 1429302930 224234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah... but it's not YYSTYPE from another compilation unit, especially if you compile multiple grammars
< 1429302948 459594 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :My definition of "usable" here would ideally include "can be used to build Linux".
< 1429302959 378277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by the way, this kind of nonsense might explain why they use bison in the implementation of bison
< 1429302960 278244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty lofty definition
< 1429302965 740817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even clang had trouble doing that until recently
< 1429302968 110790 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes it is.
< 1429302975 243710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: somehow that doesn't surprise me
< 1429302977 725232 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though "naive" helps matters significantly.
< 1429302991 899307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the hard part of building Linux is all the gcc extensions
< 1429303007 913553 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1429303013 473017 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one hard part
< 1429303015 633472 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes
< 1429303020 446474 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are simpler if you're not doing a significantly complicated optimizer.
< 1429303041 434866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429303043 878521 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :New laptop
< 1429303049 377997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also that Linux relies on particular non-optimizations, and newer gcc and Linux together has to avoid optimizations breaking those old assumptions
< 1429303057 911491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using Hexchat instead of Quassel
< 1429303058 875391 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Which are simpler if you're not doing a significantly complicated optimizer."
< 1429303098 762335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: a naive compiler doesn't need to worry about reliance on non-optimizations
< 1429303099 451376 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff about atomic accesses that are handled in a strange way (because they had to exist before there was a sane way to handle them in user programs), and objects being ordered in segments in a particular order
< 1429303106 995084 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1429303117 282222 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429303126 658987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I assume you'd be outputting asm?
< 1429303131 425424 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod*
< 1429303159 18985 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's not too hard, but they have to make sure the kernel code is compiled in a way that it never tries to touch xmm and x87 state
< 1429303160 367999 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we're going full-naive but usable for bootstrapping, the compiler should do as little work as it can get away with. :)
< 1429303169 869246 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :outputting asm directly from the parser?
< 1429303186 53813 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a compiler, as opposed to machine code, I presume
< 1429303190 818473 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be horrible, but nice to have just a single yacc input file be the whole compiler
< 1429303200 52707 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have to handle old gcc style tagged structure initializers, which for some reason the Linux developers are fond of, even over c99 style initializers
< 1429303228 635042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they also have some gcc-style inline assembly, which isn't actually so easy to implement correctly in a compiler
< 1429303237 308543 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even without optimizations
< 1429303275 279164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm trying to remember what the old-style even was
< 1429303290 64408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ [field] value, [field] value } ?
< 1429303292 795311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that just for arrays?
< 1429303307 709725 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think struct point p = { x: 4, y: -1 };
< 1429303313 731523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, colons
< 1429303324 903791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheras new stype is struct point p = { .x = 4, .y = -1 }; I think
< 1429303325 625806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does look a bit prettier than the C99 version
< 1429303331 129457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C99 syntax is more logical though
< 1429303345 494186 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly do C++ so I don't see either
< 1429303355 598339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also similar syntax for array initializers
< 1429303356 393356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C syntax has a traditional of being 100% logical and predictable, and yet somehow still massively ugly and unintuitive
< 1429303364 13467 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't c++xy import any of that?
< 1429303369 211958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ [0] = "zero", [1] = "one" }
< 1429303370 851571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for arrays
< 1429303380 583683 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but what's the old gcc style?
< 1429303385 389592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use that in NH4 quite a bit for enum-valued arrays
< 1429303391 396363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think old style is that without the = signs?
< 1429303399 439699 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way
< 1429303404 554082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just so you know, your computer does not meet Second Life's minimum system requirements."
< 1429303410 798134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would totally conflict with C++11 lambda syntax
< 1429303431 922080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ .x[1][2].y.z = 42 }
< 1429303433 352306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you need braces for that but those can occurr in an initiali9zer
< 1429303444 571144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: this is way older than C11
< 1429303448 335632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, C++11
< 1429303450 644070 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An alternative syntax for this which has been obsolete since GCC 2.5 but GCC still accepts is to write `[index]' before the element value, with no `='."
< 1429303454 531321 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course it is
< 1429303456 567670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was obsolete in 1999
< 1429303474 45748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the fact that it conflicts with C++11 syntax is not really a strike against its having existed
< 1429303483 925468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually
< 1429303502 997859 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I wonder if the C11 initalizer syntax can conflict syntactically with C++11 lambdas too
< 1429303507 860987 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it probably can't
< 1429303558 233726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't put an = there in C++
< 1429303562 726649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's required in C11
< 1429303567 717957 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, but maybe in some more complicated cases
< 1429303584 491134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me think
< 1429303590 953345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in C++, after the closing square bracket
< 1429303598 306483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have to have an opening parenthesis next?
< 1429303609 850383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C11, you have a bracketed stuff, then either an equal sign, or another bracketed stuff, or a dot, right?
< 1429303616 572370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wow, my brain is definitely in parser mode)
< 1429303616 945806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need the parenthesis
< 1429303619 601494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yep
< 1429303622 801816 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :() is optional
< 1429303627 98167 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the return type is also optional
< 1429303638 884359 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think a dot can follow in C++
< 1429303644 774628 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably no equals sign either
< 1429303646 368602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, that much optional?
< 1429303654 481310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1429303662 960870 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the braces are required though
< 1429303663 648702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so []{puts("hello world");} is a valid lambda in C++?
< 1429303668 433367 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1429303677 921612 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why people are joking about [](){}();
< 1429303682 257689 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a valid statement in C++11
< 1429303714 997662 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some people want explicit template lambda syntax which would make []<>(){}(); valid too
< 1429303724 777938 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it probably won't happen, sadly
< 1429303731 809361 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :template lambdas o.O
< 1429303749 522414 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: they exist now, but without an explicit <>
< 1429303751 223643 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't laugh
< 1429303765 497841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually make sense
< 1429303765 890709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I saw the [](){}() syntax being thrown around as an example of the horrors of C++ well before I knew what it did
< 1429303770 210660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a little disappointed to hear it was a no-op
< 1429303802 487580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, it's crazy hard to write a switch statement efficiently in Perl
< 1429303803 818922 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42602&oldid=42137 5* 0380.53.184.190 5* (-1) 10/* External resources */
< 1429303807 428640 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my c++ must be slipping, I can't imagine any way to use a templated lambda
< 1429303819 369628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current attempt is a hash from values to subroutines
< 1429303820 31622 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no-op when allowed
< 1429303838 682936 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's basically an object with a member function template called operator()
< 1429303908 395470 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so it's sort of like auto m = [](auto x){ printf("hello"); } is similar to like struct foo { void template<typename T> operator()(T x) { printf("hello"); } }; foo m;
< 1429303921 717653 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42603&oldid=42602 5* 0380.53.184.190 5* (+44) 10/* Syntax */
< 1429303931 994941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't take that as strict truth, but that's the idea
< 1429303943 372873 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right, the operator() becomes a templated function
< 1429303967 966121 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the main use is just when you're lazy and don't want to explicitly name the argument type, even though you could; but there can be a use when you actually use the same lambda with multiple instantiations of that function
< 1429303993 648858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even pass such a polymorphic lambda to other functions, and those functions can call it with multiple typse
< 1429304030 643462 :f|`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429304104 14669 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the difficult part of that is that you don't get to use closed values inside the subroutines
< 1429304113 288572 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to pass them as arguments explicitly
< 1429304121 918935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: one hack you can use in perl is computed goto
< 1429304129 538911 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's somewhat evil
< 1429304141 621248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might actually be less evil than the hash of subs
< 1429304148 437706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the hardest part was the scope of "return"
< 1429304148 721794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? no way
< 1429304153 711269 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hash of subs isn't evil
< 1429304158 12679 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite normal
< 1429304158 67992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you just return from the inside
< 1429304162 155298 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just has some limitations
< 1429304169 171962 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1429304178 118407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need another layer of "return" around the outside, so the evil part is
< 1429304183 134961 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just use a goto/last to return from deep :-)
< 1429304187 574351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the only way to continue in the same function is to jump out of the inside subs using goto
< 1429304264 272868 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1429304265 736991 :f|`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net NICK :f|`-`|f
< 1429304280 722042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or last, but that's more evil than goto I think (at least, there's a warning on last and not on goto)
< 1429304323 584594 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the incantation is our $RETFOO; sub foo { ... bar(); ... ENDFOO: $RETFOO } sub bar { ...; if (...) { $RETFOO = ...; no warnings "exiting"; goto ENDFOO; } ... }
< 1429304343 821671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can turn it off
< 1429304354 761949 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, you can also jump out with die and eval{}
< 1429304355 600997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how Test::More does its "SKIP:" blocks
< 1429304358 564224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than goto
< 1429304363 970757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I use that for the syntax error path
< 1429304367 855061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or will, that bit isn't implemented yet
< 1429304383 405983 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some constructs die can't jump out of, and constructs goto can't jump out of, and neither of these are subsets of the other
< 1429304388 655854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in practice die can jump out of more things
< 1429304419 379463 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, die can jump out of some well-behaved XS subroutines whereas I think goto can't ever jump out of any XS (but I could be wrong)
< 1429304432 376488 :Guest3780!~magician@31.203.146.52 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429304449 48626 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas goto can jump out of sort comparison blocks but die can't (I think)
< 1429304522 127786 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1429304545 730225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason you can't goto out of XS is because the code outside the XS and the callback from the XS are running in different interpreters
< 1429304549 388016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ones that share most of their state
< 1429304556 448244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instruction pointer's part of the state that isn't shared
< 1429304575 128447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can you goto out of a block eval?
< 1429304577 433856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, if you jump out from regexes or the right hand side of s/// substitutions, you may get into unexpected trouble with very old versions of perl
< 1429304633 625540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think s/// is fine since the oldest perls you want to support
< 1429304646 263754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayacc doesn't work as far back as aimake
< 1429304650 221739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something like 5.14 I think
< 1429304666 961120 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you probably don't want to use /(?{ blocks at all if you want to use old perls, regardless of whether you jump out of them or recurse into the regex engine from them or anything
< 1429304672 108072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using modern Perl stuff if I want to (although not experimental stuff), on the basis that the platforms stuck on old Perl also tend to have a working yacc
< 1429304698 546731 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but /(?{ semantics has changed even after that, so it's best to avoid complicated tricks with that
< 1429304708 91300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, ayacc has a language-generic backend, the syntax of the target language is basically just in one big hash that contains code fragments
< 1429304716 860208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are combined to make the target program
< 1429304732 207064 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I support targetting 5.14+
< 1429304761 965 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, are there placeholders in those code fragments so the code can be re-ordered?
< 1429304767 211291 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or only constant strings?
< 1429304790 459868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of placeholders
< 1429304802 390180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have to change my templating syntax eventually but it's working OK atm
< 1429304834 67580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but you'll still make the C language backend such that it emits a single version of that code that should work in all systems and compilers, right?
< 1429304837 491203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the assumption that even though we might have false positives on constructs that exist in the target language, we can avoid generating code that confuses our own internal parser
< 1429304840 763170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes
< 1429304850 962634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, one thing I did was
< 1429304865 249054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can define a macro YYUNREACHABLE to __builtin_unreachable or the like and it makes your code more efficient
< 1429304869 535346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't, it substitutes an infinite loop
< 1429304888 223786 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just get the code from libecb and use the ecb_unreachable macro for that
< 1429304892 200203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's portable
< 1429304901 343738 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the whole point)
< 1429304902 439898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I realised that there's really only one correct way to write a macro that expands to an infinite loop)
< 1429304927 635995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first attempt was do { for(;;) ; } while (0)
< 1429304938 212316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's clearly possible to do better :-)
< 1429304967 706289 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, an infinite loop of what? 
< 1429304973 746642 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what's in the loop body?
< 1429304986 859985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinite loop of nothing
< 1429304990 446285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code never runs
< 1429304993 997325 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} while (1)  clearly works
< 1429304996 319247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to help the compiler optimize it out
< 1429304999 899338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in C?
< 1429305002 876305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you implement that as an inline function
< 1429305012 826623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, you missed the "do"
< 1429305016 817066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the macro just expands to a call to that function
< 1429305022 825040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I eventually golfed it down to "do; while (1)"
< 1429305035 480551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a weird sort of golf that requires correct whitespace)
< 1429305055 129518 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, on the top level, inline ecb_noreturn void yyinfiniteloop() { for (;;) pause(); }
< 1429305060 411379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1429305073 610693 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(void) instead of () probably, in C
< 1429305080 242055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the libecb stuff relies on implementation namespace, doesn't it?
< 1429305081 196358 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, yes.
< 1429305094 336024 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do you mean by "implementation namespace"?
< 1429305109 12284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: anything starting with double underscore or underscore and capital letter
< 1429305117 50202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or a few other cases which don't matter here)
< 1429305121 554210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether you use them yourself, or just look at them
< 1429305132 295102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception: anything that's specifically specified in a relevant C standard
< 1429305140 423898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the relevant standard is C99)
< 1429305157 457858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it probably relies on it in that it refers to some non-standard compiler extensions on particular compilers, yes
< 1429305162 125160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can look at __STDC_VERSION__ but not __GNUC
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< 1429305168 52101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That was a brain fart, but ... interestingly ... gcc accepts that without the do, why?
< 1429305169 574270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: right, POSIX disallows that
< 1429305178 10182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: two different statements
< 1429305184 3510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} and while(1); are both valid statements
< 1429305195 719010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh. silly me.
< 1429305204 26339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but for most stuff, it refers to those things only on particular compilers
< 1429305224 13310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on unknown compilers, it will use standard replacements for everything where it's possible
< 1429305232 289650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, but even /detecting/ the compiler is implementation namespace stuff, unless the compiler is outright breaking the standards
< 1429305237 535069 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION simply shouldn't write infinite loops as a macro
< 1429305245 67773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well sure
< 1429305249 542964 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but there's a way out
< 1429305263 401155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on gcc-bf was weird
< 1429305268 101752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: POSIX specifically says you can't rely on compiler extensions except where you document that in your implementation
< 1429305270 233615 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though in general you can  get *away* with just testing for compiler-defined macros.
< 1429305276 890366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because suddenly I was working in implementation namespace myself
< 1429305284 177199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sure, that's the sensible and sane way to go about things
< 1429305289 93039 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :('get away', not 'you are permitted to by the standard' of course.)
< 1429305295 860766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I decided to implement POSIX literally to see what happened
< 1429305311 118715 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is much harder for some things than others.
< 1429305322 178929 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but if you're really picky about this, you could make it an option of ayacc to not include the ecb definitions
< 1429305353 143647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean an option /to/ include them?
< 1429305356 403689 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: either
< 1429305373 205736 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd always just ask ayacc to include them
< 1429305525 242796 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: basically, if I'd be on a compiler where libecb as a whole didn't work (as opposed to it just can't provide a few of its more tricky features), then I'm already screwed and my code will break in other places too
< 1429305537 649839 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't go strictly POSIX or strictly C99 or anything
< 1429305568 998127 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general I try to write strict POSIX or "will work on anything strict POSIX".
< 1429305575 543748 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm content with just marking nonportable stuff in my code with #ifndef #error so when you try to port it you get compiler errors pointinng out where all the code you ahve to modify is
< 1429305582 622599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's a scale from "practical" to "meets the letter of the standard"
< 1429305585 695223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I do depends on what I'm doing
< 1429305593 120094 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429305606 685855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every now and then I jam right against the right-hand end of the scale, just for fun
< 1429305616 318779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time was C-INTERCAL's autotools-based build system
< 1429305618 234435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't, like, deliberately break compatibility when I don't need to
< 1429305631 64018 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I write nonportable code when it's easier, and mark it so I can change it later when it has to be ported
< 1429305637 749129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the only time an autotools-based build system has worked exactly in the way that the autotools maintainers intend, for a nontrivial project?
< 1429305670 690234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which one is the right hand end?
< 1429305687 153587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where you follow the standard exactly
< 1429305705 473544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1429305905 965173 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Element14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42604&oldid=42599 5* 03Phi 5* (+878) 10
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< 1429305939 415168 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you alreay planning to write specific backends other than the C/C++ one?
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< 1429305944 762161 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, for what language?
< 1429305944 875996 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1429305959 322302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I have a Perl backend written already, although I haven't tested it yet beyond visual inspection of the source
< 1429305968 925040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1429305980 904103 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not because you want to use ayacc to implement ayacc itself, right?
< 1429306033 643394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, if ayacc got so successful that bison is abandonned, then the perl people will be in trouble because it will be difficult to bootstrap perl without perl
< 1429306040 836864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it isn't implemented in itself
< 1429306055 39712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: nah, they'd just keep a copy of its output around
< 1429306071 336248 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure
< 1429306114 34153 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not like Perl doesn't already have bootstrapping problems.
< 1429306123 667417 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what?
< 1429306127 596116 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl builds Perl so it can build more Perl.
< 1429306137 443001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Perl build system builds a minimal Perl
< 1429306140 151917 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but it boostraps fine withotu a perl to start from
< 1429306141 926645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then uses that for the rest of the build
< 1429306151 320636 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it doesn't cross compile well. :)
< 1429306152 671802 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's only one level deep anyway
< 1429306188 490267 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does not understand the obsession with having languages with only a bootstrapping implementation
< 1429306193 293180 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sure, but it native compiles everywhere, and is relatively quickly compile
< 1429306221 243775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, if your language is intended to be for compiler writing, then bootstrapping it is a good demonstration of that fact
< 1429306235 235049 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note, "only". I can understand having one, and even having that be the preferred one. But c'mon, you should at least have a simple compiler in C so you can use it without having a compiler already.)
< 1429306237 647800 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and also a good test
< 1429306241 447677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many languages don't need a boostrap because compiling's not what they're for
< 1429306254 64584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to bring up INTERCAL as an example, but then I remembered CLC-INTERCAL
< 1429306267 175878 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of errors, including hardware errors, that you can catch by getting a segfault during compiling gcc
< 1429306268 351783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is written in IACC, and the IACC compiler is also written in IACC
< 1429306298 259189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the distribution contains a precompiled bytecode version of the compiler so that you can get started
< 1429306313 301207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect CLC_INTERCAL does thst just because it can, though
< 1429306319 513381 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc actually scares me a lot
< 1429306324 626035 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the way it's built
< 1429306329 344629 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, c'mon GHC. There should be a simple, generic Haskell compiler that can build you.
< 1429306339 845649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't GHC outright run regex on the output asm?
< 1429306342 788876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that something else?
< 1429306346 589111 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if it's shit or not, it should at least be good enough to get you a GHC.
< 1429306350 51742 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It *used to*.
< 1429306359 19322 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: When it compiled by way of C.
< 1429306372 467611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that lose like half the reason to compile via C?
< 1429306374 416433 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it either code gens itself entirely or uses LLVM.
< 1429306391 784948 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well admittedly
< 1429306415 768855 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an evil mangler and the satanic splitter, iirc both are/were some horrific perl mess
< 1429306417 9383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc scares me in ways other than its build procedure too
< 1429306424 536983 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a similar complaint with C++...
< 1429306425 821613 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's very few things in ghc that don't scare me
< 1429306437 72265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, ayacc's output is designed to be easy to optimize, so I've been looking at the output asm and it does seem to be optimized quite well
< 1429306453 167889 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Rust.
< 1429306461 352825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think ghc is getting somewhat saner these days
< 1429306463 957943 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still very scary
< 1429306468 653145 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but improving
< 1429306492 870361 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't get to the state where you can just build it without a haskell implementation ever of course
< 1429306496 338212 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1429306535 35544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it just works as a sane direct compiler these days, implemented in haskell
< 1429306536 167425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what language do you think Rust should be implemented in? C is clearly unthinkable, because the point of Rust is to replace C
< 1429306542 498341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :without any of the evil mangler or compile through C stuff
< 1429306563 179386 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I *am 100% fine with* the reasonable, high quality implementation being bootstrapped.
< 1429306564 215754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: couldn't there be two implementations, one in C or C++ and one in rust?
< 1429306595 216187 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is there should be at least a naive, inefficient but functional implementation that is suitable for bootstrapping said implementation.
< 1429306598 856080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most compiler teams have enough problems maintaining just one implementation
< 1429306622 873322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how easy would type erasure be for Rust?
< 1429306629 305551 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not telling me a parser that outputs naive C is going to be that bad.
< 1429306643 296172 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no no, it'd be two teams: the gcc team maintains the C++ implementation, like they do for gccgo, and the rust enthusiasts maintain the rust implementation
< 1429306691 277225 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do mean "naive"... When you're wanting something that's just sufficient for getting something going it doesn't have to be even faintly optimizing or even all that efficient.
< 1429306723 331289 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even all that general if you don't mind writing your "real" compiler in a subset of the language...
< 1429306770 285512 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, but a good compiler is complicated and hard to maintain, which is why gcc is written in C++ these days, not in, like, portable c89
< 1429306788 656627 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not asking for a good one.
< 1429306793 285492 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C++ is very difficult to compile even naively
< 1429306797 46516 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to C
< 1429306798 451745 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking for one that suffices to get your good one running.
< 1429306802 170471 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why they're separate languages really
< 1429306815 97749 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is easy to compile if you don't want optimizations, C++ is very difficult
< 1429306832 109764 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is kinda an all-around bad language though.
< 1429306837 218894 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not!
< 1429306855 404400 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so it's a spectacular esolang.
< 1429306875 382701 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that either
< 1429306875 433788 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like C++
< 1429306875 433836 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like it
< 1429306905 294137 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stockholm syndrome much?
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< 1429307176 935124 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how much does trying to support multiple restrict what kind of optimized code you can want to emit?
< 1429307217 95023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it works is, some fragments don't exist in some languages, then you don't run the matching optimizations
< 1429307223 405014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either because you can't or because you don't need to
< 1429307229 12047 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
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< 1429307259 985490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, atm pointing multiple switch case labels at the same code works in C but not in Perl, it just copies the body
< 1429307290 257931 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? why wouldn't it work in perl? 
< 1429307313 465630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with the hash-of-subs thing, at least not as a literal
< 1429307321 657588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't have to use a hash literal
< 1429307349 642858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hash literal doesn't even have an advantage because I think it won't ever be optimized to creating the hash only once
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< 1429307362 660531 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just write my%h; $h{foo}=$h{bar}=sub{...};
< 1429307414 159619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use the hash literal for readability
< 1429307417 3243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm
< 1429307422 748435 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1429307428 28913 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hash literal is actually less readable
< 1429307448 68880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :$h{foo} = sub { ... }; is better because the sub bodies can be long and that way you see at the sub head what you're defining
< 1429307590 905713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people write hash literals for this but I just don't agree with that. it's just pointless. I think it's mostly beginners who don't understand what a hash is and think of it as a braced list syntactical thing rather than a structure you can indexed lookup and indexed assign efficiently
< 1429307619 660814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that clearly doesn't apply to you)
< 1429307634 530448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :$h{foo} = sub { ... }; is good syntax and readable
< 1429307686 801464 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, even with a hash literal you can just say sub foo { ... }; our %h = { foo => \&foo, bar => \&foo, };
< 1429307701 30892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although then you have to name the block
< 1429307713 369111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is that these are short one-off things
< 1429307718 434629 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are?
< 1429307719 848351 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429307725 655394 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they are then a hash literal might make sense
< 1429307727 427901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the cases of a switch statement
< 1429307735 571747 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm shoving SLOBOL aside and creating a different language called SLOBOL.
< 1429307736 535101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, those can be long blocks too
< 1429307746 41115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're mostly just a couple of function calls and a goto, some are even simpler than that, few are more complex
< 1429307776 707547 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, even for simple blocks $h{foo} = sub { ... }; isn't too much of an overhead probably
< 1429307790 669994 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Tanner Swett 5*  10moved [[02SLOBOL10]] to [[SLOBOL (2005 language)]]: Shoving this aside to make a new language with the same name
< 1429307790 875937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Tanner Swett 5*  10moved [[02Talk:SLOBOL10]] to [[Talk:SLOBOL (2005 language)]]: Shoving this aside to make a new language with the same name
< 1429307803 928281 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07414]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42609&oldid=42600 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+115) 10Explained the mathematically inaccurate joke surrounding the language's origin
< 1429307842 653392 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old and ugly interpreter in http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/psz-snapshot.tgz has one or two large code dispatcher hashes defined in the $h{foo} = sub { ... }; way,
< 1429307865 212339 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the $op has which defines how each operation of the optree is implemented, mapping opcode names to subs that run them
< 1429307903 474244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two smaller code dispatch hashes that help parsing
< 1429307953 155969 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, normally if something appears in that interpreter, then it's a bad idea code-style wise
< 1429307976 987108 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think provided you actually want hashes of code, then that's the best syntax
< 1429308007 844872 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's got that particular thing right
< 1429308135 4563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I actually want is a C-style switch statement
< 1429308148 606366 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, you're correct that such a thing is difficult in perl
< 1429308178 488040 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this for the perl backend? or for the ayacc interpreter itself?
< 1429308182 886389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl backend
< 1429308190 344544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1429308204 183186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because in a parser impl, you have to at least /try/ to aim for efficiency
< 1429308221 4925 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it output xs code that calls back the actions in perl :-)
< 1429308221 444762 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1429308230 463729 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, certainly
< 1429308242 293282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1429308254 376191 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to try to aim for efficiency in a general parser generator
< 1429308257 942216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in all handwritten parsers
< 1429308287 227224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not 100% convinced that the parser it uses for reading yacc code is even O(n)
< 1429308309 965831 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it at least O(n**(1+epsilon)) ?
< 1429308355 671582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's O(n**2) for finding the end of a %{%} or %union {} block, I think
< 1429308377 260504 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or O(n**(1+epsilon)) on condition that the yacc code doesn't contain tokens (such as identifiers) that are longer than a constant)
< 1429308383 216724 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1429308446 49781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you'll certainly try ayacc on largish grammars, and if this doesn't cause a practical problem there then it's probably fine
< 1429308483 468008 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I dunno, the C-intercal grammar, the perl grammar, the ruby grammar, I dunno what else
< 1429308521 584122 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, compiling perl with ayacc and then running the perl testsuite might be a good test for ayacc
< 1429308544 319176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never compiled Perl from source
< 1429308554 994380 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1429308557 444952 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange
< 1429308559 697225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I have
< 1429308564 677781 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :many times
< 1429308575 523333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on windows, mind you
< 1429308628 54627 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try to compile it with ayacc, though I can't guarantee I can do that
< 1429308657 872514 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll definitely be able compile the geo interpreter with ayacc, but that's a simple toy with very few tests so it doesn't help much
< 1429308696 791840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: atm the grammar has to be weird enough that it isn't optimized into something the backend can't handle
< 1429308734 477134 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, maybe I should try to compile ruby with ayacc too
< 1429308740 3374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but again I can't guarantee anything
< 1429308752 330456 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not as good a test as with perl
< 1429308781 78784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will build c-intercal with ayacc, right?
< 1429308795 287049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a test, yes
< 1429308801 793623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't become part of the build system permanently
< 1429308807 445053 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1429308839 363758 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1429309171 753469 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Element14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42610&oldid=42604 5* 03Phi 5* (+735) 10
< 1429309209 683461 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07SLOBOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42611&oldid=42606 5* 03Tanner Swett 5* (+1254) 10New language
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< 1429309253 624984 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone give me admin access on the wiki, thanks.
< 1429309300 731992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: possibly, what do you want it for?
< 1429309316 652344 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deleting [[Talk:SLOBOL]].
< 1429309319 581585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually let me check I have the perms first
< 1429309329 616523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the redirect?
< 1429309334 734667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just delete that for you
< 1429309345 548306 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just edit it, actually.
< 1429309355 462560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that'd probably be easier
< 1429309359 508573 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:SLOBOL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42612&oldid=42608 5* 03Tanner Swett 5* (+0) 10Change redirect to a bit of text saying "see also"
< 1429309377 217407 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had admin access eight or so years ago, and surely I'm only more mature now.
< 1429309412 975856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems I do have the perms, but it's probably worth talking it over with the other admins first; there's no rush
< 1429309435 746462 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's my campaign speech:
< 1429309441 418612 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Feel free to give me admin access if you want."
< 1429309446 787316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you actually already do have admin access, just on another account
< 1429309447 99981 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people change nicks too often
< 1429309455 175850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I'm assuming ihope127 is yours
< 1429309466 412075 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope127 is mine indeed.
< 1429309486 267496 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use it any more and I don't remember the password. I could reset the password if I wanted, but I won't.
< 1429309510 808555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have an email set, so I can't verify it like that
< 1429309514 497175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not publicly
< 1429309548 469460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the problem is that when it comes to wiki administration, I slip into Wikipedia mode
< 1429309585 430638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am thinking "I'd be happy to move admin perms between accounts, but how do I know that the person who's editing as Tanner Swett and is on IRC as tswett right now is formerly-ihope127 and not an imposter"
< 1429309603 987708 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm.
< 1429309743 954844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan>        ok so tswett is not ihope127 but elliott is me.  got it.
< 1429309749 541050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the log history is looking bad ;-)
< 1429309753 989122 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you believe me if I sent you an email from ihope127@gmail.com and/or received an email there?
< 1429309810 911038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a case of believing you but being unsure how much verification I need
< 1429309853 476735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: OK, I've verified that ihope127+w@gmail.com is ihope127
< 1429309881 958217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from B Nomic archives
< 1429309885 740565 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429309889 66529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, we can do this by email
< 1429309897 672261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll send, From: addresses can be forged
< 1429309937 281361 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right.
< 1429310031 775608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, sent
< 1429310037 929674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may well end up in with other B Nomic stuff
< 1429310179 568911 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get an autoresponse instructing you to use a different contact method?
< 1429310215 372564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/rights14]]4 rights10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10changed group membership for User:Ihope127 from sysop to (none): Moving permissions to a different account, via IRC request (I've verified account ownership)
< 1429310235 776347 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/rights14]]4 rights10 02 5* 03Ais523 5*  10changed group membership for User:Tanner Swett from (none) to sysop: Moving permissions to a different account, via IRC request (I've verified account ownership)
< 1429310263 298198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did now, it was a little slow
< 1429310556 313188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not proof, tswett could have emailed that address and seen that it gives such an autoresponse prior
< 1429310571 828269 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not what the verification was.
< 1429310580 594031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429310589 676325 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The verification was that I knew the content of an email sent to that address.
< 1429310649 516862 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advanced Account Accountability
< 1429310660 578659 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429310678 213969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I sent a randomly generated string to the address, tswett sent it back by IRC PM
< 1429310688 806093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1429310712 838182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know he didn't just intercept it
< 1429310723 306886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :along its path to the destination
< 1429310732 534451 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no proofs.
< 1429310745 921943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki is http, so someone who could do that could do the same to an admin password
< 1429310748 362261 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 might be living in a simulation for all he knows. (if ais523 exists...)
< 1429310749 776250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and take over an admin account that way
< 1429310818 766658 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's fizzie's domain that rot14's to 'nsa', not tswett's
< 1429310850 158281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it say about me that I can reverse rot14 in my head? (albeit slowly)
< 1429310872 315827 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1429310890 459543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mail is more susceptible, though
< 1429310916 949598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean compared to being an AS or something
< 1429310929 259191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, so what you do instead is, you send a password reset for an admin
< 1429310930 979854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and intercept that
< 1429310947 771776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1429310952 428526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't get to choose either address there, though
< 1429310957 162451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett got to choose the destination address here
< 1429310979 875782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, he had to pick an address that verifiably belonged to ihope127
< 1429310983 466170 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lbh pna ernq ebg guvegrra syhragyl?
< 1429311042 809969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't rot14 :-(
< 1429311061 350854 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not, rot14 is too uncommon.
< 1429311075 51068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, if it's rot13, the second word is "can"
< 1429311076 866200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems promising
< 1429311140 976391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can read rot thirteen fluently?"
< 1429311145 206237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, still pretty slow
< 1429311157 333067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have been faster to just use a rot13 decoder
< 1429311182 739107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but given the subject of the conversation, I pretty much had to do it manually
< 1429311183 893567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tbf I *did* use a rot13 encoder)
< 1429311195 492801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :encoding is much harder than decoding, if you're doing it manually
< 1429311216 333737 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :egb13 is the only thing I recognize reliably.
< 1429311221 37736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can guess words from a partial decoding
< 1429311230 989643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note the swapped letters ;) )
< 1429311236 642464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 is harder than 12 because it's not trivially reversible
< 1429311253 695860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, rot26 and rot52, as are sometimes used on Slashdot, are easiest
< 1429311279 397732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka double-rot-13 and quadruple-rot-13?
< 1429311329 331737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1429311792 370065 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think it'd be more secure
< 1429311799 675249 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :á la triple DES
< 1429311803 100979 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadruple rot13 is actually less secure than triple rot13.
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< 1429311849 475414 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot13 is a so-called... uh, what's it called.
< 1429311858 221407 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Characteristic-2 automorphism, I think it's called?
< 1429311864 88820 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1429311875 759362 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which results in cancellative properties of iterations which are multiples of 2.
< 1429311880 379860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*14 is harder than 13
< 1429311927 608595 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involution_%28mathematics%29
< 1429311950 212833 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not just a -tion, it's an -ism!
< 1429311954 79042 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in the category of sets.
< 1429311985 504766 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like all the abstract nonsense.
< 1429312030 679821 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category theory
< 1429312045 966840 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In category theory, category theory is a theory in the category of theories.
< 1429312059 93363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theories form a category?
< 1429312068 424594 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly.
< 1429312080 816594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make them into a discrete category
< 1429312087 498184 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course. There's work on embedding logics (theories) in other logics
< 1429312089 793987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't see an obvious way to add extra structure
< 1429312098 139429 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A morphism from a theory T to a theory U consists of a function from terms in T to terms in U, and a function from models of U to models of T, which are adjoint.
< 1429312110 98798 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSLT.
< 1429312120 267269 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? OSLT
< 1429312120 964928 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSLT? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1429312126 410371 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that actually true? I was just putting words together to make it look good
< 1429312132 814967 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"or something like that"
< 1429312205 845864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, that helped
< 1429312299 50189 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Adjoint" here means that given a term in T and a model of U, interpreting the term in T in the image of the model of U gives the same result as interpreting the image of the term in T in the model of U.
< 1429312677 724182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's category theory, it's hard to find something it doesn't apply to
< 1429312686 249724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few years in my research, I found something that wasn't a category
< 1429312691 390740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone was very surprised
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< 1429313638 300665 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legend tells of categories that can't be represented as concrete categories.
< 1429313710 695022 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, let's see if we can write a program in SLOBOL.
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< 1429314252 653608 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can probably do AND and OR, aye?
< 1429314266 758046 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This group is alive if and only if this group and/or this group is alive.
< 1429314567 728187 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds more like go than programming
< 1429314581 571018 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429314661 792022 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Go programming.
< 1429314696 631319 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simpler problem: make it so that group B is alive iff group A is alive.
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< 1429315654 145741 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I haven't even thought how to do that.
< 1429315663 303738 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Group A gives liberties to group B but not vice versa?
< 1429315741 824657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429315879 897382 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you could make it simple: have two equal, unsettled groups.
< 1429315983 128843 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. You can read off an answer (who wins), but how do you do input... do you have free intersections where optionally a stone can be placed before the program starts?
< 1429316039 123945 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in which case you might be able to follow the ladders-in-PSPACE approach by encoding the input as ladder breakers)
< 1429316044 320084 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is the input.
< 1429316053 191855 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not an input
< 1429316062 977470 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just an unwieldy encoding of the final score
< 1429316075 91522 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1429316111 399055 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *guess*
< 1429316125 651647 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that if you have several optimal moves, the input could be in the choice.
< 1429316205 506379 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except that this means that the input will never affect the final score ... so that's not very useful unless you encode the output in a different way.)
< 1429316226 956371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How marge does a hexagonal cell on a board need to be if a Slugterra figure is going to fit in such a cell?
< 1429316239 846818 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"marge"
< 1429316248 794726 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :large?
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< 1429316349 980092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how many cells would you need? And then you can multiply it and figure out how big is the board. (I think it would need to be large enough that two figures can stand on adjacent cells, isn't it?)
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< 1429316737 964347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I guess even with a fixed position you could try stuff like "in this position, white wins if and only if chess is a first player win"
< 1429316921 508587 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.*)
< 1429316922 426355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘.*’
< 1429316922 477478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1429316922 477526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘.’ (imported from Data.Function),
< 1429317012 540776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm trying to understand https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/issues/119 )
< 1429317495 710275 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@index .*
< 1429317495 856255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzzt
< 1429317505 80725 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@index ***
< 1429317505 185295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Arrow
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< 1429319046 198574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think the traditional, but still nonstandard name is (.:) ?
< 1429319068 747204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, I'd have recognized .:
< 1429319081 987225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.:)
< 1429319083 102062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘.:’
< 1429319083 243532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1429319083 297935 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘.’ (imported from Data.Function),
< 1429319113 842468 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think lambdabot forgot about it when Cale stopped running it.
< 1429319155 781506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0<>)
< 1429319157 121465 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The operator ‘<>’ [infixr 6] of a section
< 1429319157 175906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :         must have lower precedence than that of the operand,
< 1429319157 175954 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :           namely ‘$’ [infixr 0]
< 1429319160 187250 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I may be misremembering. I clearly recall the (.) = fmap thing, however.
< 1429319173 991550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah a lot of that was removed?
< 1429319204 921657 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.)
< 1429319205 938470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> c
< 1429319213 362329 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldr
< 1429319214 389641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foldable t => (a -> b -> b) -> b -> t a -> b
< 1429319362 423952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want the . to be the Category.. instead
< 1429319456 822396 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is using the (.) that's exported by the Prelude.
< 1429319474 528626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I can see that
< 1429319483 276497 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has so far resisted being generalized
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< 1429326867 811092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ouch, i had a suspicion that would affect the locket
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< 1429329890 849935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip
< 1429329891 949810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c
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< 1429337932 493039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell pikhq <pikhq> ais523: It *used to*. <-- they abolished The Evil Mangler, then had to make a new mangler for the LLVM backend, although it's in haskell rather than perl.
< 1429337932 546458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1429338376 762418 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
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< 1429340131 39891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How commonly in a pinball game will you manage to recover the ball even when it is about to fall off and the flipper cannot hit it?
< 1429340151 531814 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 2015
< 1429340174 183072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am aware of that
< 1429340189 34792 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't play pinball games in 2015 ._.
< 1429340217 235234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, some people still do, sometimes with real pinball machine but also by a simulation on the computer.
< 1429340221 4539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT CHANNEL
< 1429340253 718521 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you nerds
< 1429340263 338981 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keep playing minesweeper
< 1429340281 676375 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kids these days with the violent war videogames
< 1429340285 874891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows version or the DOS version?
< 1429340294 276661 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither, i use arbiter
< 1429340311 137554 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minesweeper.info/wiki/Arbiter
< 1429340467 571756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still play whist in 2015 (although bridge is far more popular), and people still program for a Famicom in 2015, too. See?
< 1429340495 533743 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was jk
< 1429340497 521262 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly
< 1429340582 664575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i played whist in 2014
< 1429340588 985536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i found it tricky
< 1429340614 326335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played bridge in 1999
< 1429340740 271315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably also in 1999 bridge was more popular, although whist is still played too. (Actually I don't think I played whist this year either, although I did in 2014)
< 1429340743 494024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tried to get me to play bridge in 2000
< 1429340748 369174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i escaped
< 1429340778 982643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's what tilt is for.
< 1429340840 735811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a bridge class at school
< 1429340851 261647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we went to bridge tournaments and i won bridge medals
< 1429340877 291437 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bridge day is one of the best days of the year, and i have yet  to go :(
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< 1429341202 125363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have one section of bridge cards in a newspaper too.
< 1429341518 398242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer chess problems but I don't see that much in newspaper (I did see it in one newspaper though).
< 1429341624 426775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 <ais523> wiki is http, so someone who could do that could do the same to an admin password <-- it does support https hth
< 1429341624 532614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1429341748 326032 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think it's ok to say that a bignum library supports arbitrary large numbers if actually it only supports numbers up to 2^63-1 digits?
< 1429341764 473957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite!
< 1429341776 549961 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1429341820 839539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, if it is a kind of implementation detail of the type and you can fix it easily, then that is not a problem; that is already a lot of digits.
< 1429341822 375993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if the 2^63-1 isn't hardcoded
< 1429341844 211925 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't fix it x.x
< 1429341862 950784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's > all computer memory in the world, anyway.
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< 1429341868 598391 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok u_u
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< 1429341886 365883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait is it
< 1429341893 268598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^63
< 1429341894 813224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9223372036854775808
< 1429341958 973460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm we may have passed that
< 1429341963 721925 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf "%'f" "$((2**63-1))"
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< 1429341986 396968 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego...
< 1429341996 976388 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9,223,372,036,854,775,807.000000
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< 1429342023 58580 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 pb
< 1429342177 600190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As of 2013, the World Wide Web is estimated to have reached 4 zettabytes."
< 1429342194 280918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4*1000^7
< 1429342195 726454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4000000000000000000000
< 1429342207 518326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOKS PASSED
< 1429342228 928710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4*1000^7 / 2^63
< 1429342230 738521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 433.6808689942018
< 1429342385 952622 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1429342421 36321 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429343481 216326 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429343801 231287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up several kind of Hero Heart levels with things that have not been done before: in one level you have to run out of time, in other you have to throw a grenade into the water (this wastes the grenade and displays a message "That was a waste of a good grenade! Who taught you how to throw a grenade?"), in another you have to light bombs solely to decrease the number of matches in your inventory...
< 1429343949 231370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In one level you have to destroy hearts with explosives (doing so results in a message "Now that you have so smartly blown up that heart, it will be impossible to solve this level." and you can no longer turn the exit green by collecting all of the hearts, because the one that has been blown up is one you didn't collect).
< 1429344050 965484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in another level, using only the pieces that are included with the game by default, make a puzzle that is not solvable unless "Explain death" option is turned off (it is on by default)! These options are not supposed to be allowed to affect the solution of the puzzle, and yet it does even without programming in my own pieces.
< 1429344158 936525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a strange kind of game?
< 1429344160 274421 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea of the last one
< 1429344174 966538 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where you can't win  because you have to explode the heart sounds dumb though
< 1429344192 145419 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why make impossible to solve puzzles?
< 1429344221 205046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I made a puzzle where you can win despite (actually because of) that; the message is a lie in this case.
< 1429344238 210006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The message is also the important part (you actually can't win that level without the message)!
< 1429344333 731713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh in that case
< 1429344336 261017 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i approve
< 1429344354 455628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That message was already there; I didn't change the message, I just took advantage of it.
< 1429344364 109576 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the heck do messages appearing change the winningness of a level?
< 1429344516 189074 :Guest3780!~magician@178.161.66.17 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1429344529 938867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game engine can display only one message at a time. If you step on a quiz box, you must answer the question (a multiple choice question; sometimes there is no correct answer, although usually there is one). If you answer correctly, you move south. If you do not answer correctly, you move north. Do you start to see where I am getting at with this?
< 1429344647 778022 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. i guess the message from the exploding heart interrupts the quiz game, causing you to get the answer correct and pushing you into the next area
< 1429344657 394820 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though there is no correct answer
< 1429344668 79928 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meta
< 1429344687 668916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's close, but not quite. This particular quiz does have a correct answer.
< 1429344729 371151 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe you are supposed to go east instead? and the only way to go east is break the quiz?
< 1429344740 67560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's it!
< 1429344769 977451 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the explain death thing?
< 1429344806 407845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the puzzles in this game allow you to put like signs with hints on them?
< 1429344828 18262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is in a level with two heroes; it also contains a quiz box. And yes the puzzles do allow you to put notes with hints (or any other message) on them.
< 1429344843 622313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i think the hint for that one should be "when you are told you cannot win, you have already won"
< 1429344904 250339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each level can also have intro text; the intro text for that puzzle with exploding hearts simply says "Now that you have so smartly..."
< 1429345032 388677 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what about explain death?
< 1429345175 511087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The level is fixed such that one of the heroes will inevitably run into a laser beam and die when another one is about to reach the exit by stepping on a quiz. The explain death is also a message like the others; whether or not it appears, the level starts over before your next turn. If the explain death is turned off then you can answer the question and move directly into the exit before you get another turn.
< 1429345299 937274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In another level that (like this one) isn't supposed to work, it takes advantage of a different bug in the game engine where the escape key resets the level inside of a loop which fails to reset the BlockHero flag and therefore other objects might move before you get a turn (which isn't supposed to happen).
< 1429345391 258069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(These are the only two levels that do things that aren't supposed to be possible; the others, such as the exploding hearts and so on, I consider legitimate.)
< 1429345425 489731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another unusual feature is that the hero is completely invincible to getting killed by anything while standing on an exit. (Normally once you step on an exit you have won, but this is not the case if you stepped on it while stealthy.)
< 1429345433 263404 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i can't see how anyone who hasn't studied the game engine could solve that last one
< 1429345437 782170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :by sheer analysis
< 1429345483 556297 :Guest3780!~magician@31.203.160.180 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429345724 584617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source-codes for all of the objects in the game is available, although not for the game engine itself (although the help file does contain pseudocodes for parts of the game engine). Nevertheless I have managed to figure out nearly all of it (except for the file format) closely enough that I could probably write a clone of the game engine.
< 1429345773 279504 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429345977 261868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gift box works as such: When created, it checks if the object it contains is a heart; if so, it increments the heart count. When properly assembled, it creates the object stored inside and destroys itself. When destroyed, if the object it contains is a heart and there is an object of the same class in its position, the heart count is decremented. Do you see anything a bit unusual about this? I did, and took advantage of it.
< 1429346402 146169 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what heart count is
< 1429346454 276961 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1429346472 315500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a counter that keeps track of how many hearts you need to collect. A heart increments that count when it is created and decrements it when it is destroyed (such as by collecting it; if hit by an explosive, the explosive objects increments it again and displays the "Now that you have so smartly..." message).
< 1429346536 848906 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are a *lot* more tricks.
< 1429346549 487653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1429346577 881040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other people have used many tricks, but not quite like I have done.
< 1429346644 755640 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there must be a trick wehereby you assemble a box on top of an existing heart or something like that?
< 1429346746 261289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes; not with most hearts, but one kind of heart that a gift box can be pushed on top of is an arrow heart. And you don't need to assemble it (assembling a gift box means pushing four pieces together into a 2x2 square, one of the pieces having a bow); the devil can destroy the gift box without destroying the arrow heart that was already there.
< 1429346804 477319 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. so the count goes down. neat.
< 1429346918 407391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; the program only cares whether or not there is a heart of the same class at the position where the gift box got destroyed, not whether or not it is the same one the gift box created or who destroyed the gift box (normally it destroys itself once the pieces are assembled correctly).
< 1429347217 598204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :An exit sets its height too high for the player to step on while it is red, and reduces its height when green; therefore you can (normally) only step on the exit while it is green. However, once the hero actually steps on the exit, it doesn't care what color it is; you win once the MSG_ARRIVED event finds that the hero is standing on it.
< 1429347281 804517 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: even if there are 2^64 bytes on the internet, most of that is stored on disks or solid state. haveing 2^64 bytes of RAM is probably harder
< 1429347320 488922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, teleporting onto a red exit also counts as winning; stepping on it while you are flying counts as winning too. However, stepping on it (regardless of color) while you are stealthy does not count as a win; you just stand there (and the game continues; notice what I said above about the hero being indestructible while standing on an exit!)
< 1429347646 538163 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/Sgeo/c42c4c2b5bcdf8c91d5a
< 1429347936 635290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you program the syntax highlighting on Aringa pastebin? It looks like it only has one kind and you can't change it (but it does have the nice feature that it automatically turns off syntax highlighting if you download using the command-line)
< 1429348282 82030 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429348637 443753 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that for me?
< 1429348642 21705 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38
< 1429348705 816449 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: aringa is free software, the syntax highlighting is pretty dumb but it kind of works for most languages   https://github.com/izabera/aringa/blob/master/hl.php
< 1429348761 397872 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it redirects the requests according to the user agent  https://github.com/izabera/aringa/blob/master/.htaccess
< 1429348883 587826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I looked at the code; better probably would be to have an extra parameter to tell what syntax highlighting it is when you post a file. This parameter, as well as expiry, should probably both be documented and be available on the form. (I have written a IRC syntax highlighter in PHP, although it outputs ANSI escapes and not HTML.)
< 1429348958 261457 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would add too much complexity...  i don't want to use a syntax highlighter that's 20x as big as the rest of the code
< 1429348971 551037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429348987 473966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK
< 1429348992 106720 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the expire parameter will be eventually added to the form
< 1429349014 994308 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by eventually i mean as soon as possible but _not_now_ because i don't wanna <.<
< 1429349086 4469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1429349411 400539 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429349592 892571 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl f x = g x (tail x)
< 1429349592 996899 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = ap g tail
< 1429349613 475083 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :@t ap
< 1429349613 578178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: tell thank you thanks thesaurus thx tic-tac-toe ticker time todo todo-add todo-delete type v @ ? .
< 1429349619 505140 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type ap
< 1429349620 568335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1429349625 126091 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1429349709 421711 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (\fm -> \am -> fm >>= (\f -> am >>= (\a -> return $ f a)))
< 1429349710 388122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => m (a -> r) -> m a -> m r
< 1429349747 853536 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tic-tac-toe
< 1429349748 94609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a nice game of chess?
< 1429349750 411677 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1429349751 928274 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tic-tac-toe x
< 1429349752 267750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a nice game of chess?
< 1429349753 946134 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1429349755 872698 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@chess
< 1429349756 79397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <unknown>.hs: 1: 1:Parse error: EOF
< 1429349758 441984 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.-
< 1429349763 867976 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1429349766 971550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for izabera is Sat, 18 Apr 2015 11:37:36 +0200
< 1429349770 42309 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lime
< 1429349770 662027 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Sgeo is Sat Apr 18 05:37:47
< 1429349775 964714 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lime o_o
< 1429349780 93354 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1429349780 543975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Lymia is Go buy a watch or something. -w-
< 1429349794 605103 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lime
< 1429349796 894989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for izabera is Sat, 18 Apr 2015 11:38:07 +0200
< 1429349805 775892 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :... lol
< 1429349813 829517 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tame
< 1429349814 392338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Sgeo is Sat Apr 18 05:38:30
< 1429349814 547304 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ticker
< 1429349814 718940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empty ticker.
< 1429349819 717389 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thx
< 1429349819 970320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome
< 1429349823 802747 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok
< 1429349826 915905 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thank you
< 1429349827 135764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: thank you thanks
< 1429349834 124983 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thank you thanks
< 1429349834 346650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: thank you thanks
< 1429349844 601844 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thanks
< 1429349844 824605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome
< 1429349852 965685 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you doesn't work?
< 1429349856 103910 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thank\ you
< 1429349856 372561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome
< 1429349859 720622 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame
< 1429349897 307029 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :@chess e4
< 1429349898 761607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘e4’
< 1429349898 815058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: ‘e’ (imported from Debug.SimpleReflect), ‘_4...
< 1429349907 867704 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :@chess 10
< 1429349909 301411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Testable prop0)
< 1429349909 354894 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘myquickcheck’ The type variable ‘prop0’ is ambiguous ...
< 1429350310 980645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429350720 400920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This question is inspired by something I dreamt of) How large does a hexagonal cell need to be in order that Slugterra figures can stand on adjacent cells?
< 1429350803 923326 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\x -> x + 1)
< 1429350805 947830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <Integer -> Integer>
< 1429350828 339481 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (>>=) (\x -> x + 1)
< 1429350829 273283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => (a -> a -> b) -> a -> b
< 1429350977 292020 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429351140 662004 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1429351606 566168 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type mmap
< 1429351607 568282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: ‘mmap’
< 1429351607 671276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1429351607 724751 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :      ‘fmap’ (imported from Control.Monad.Writer),
< 1429351614 169237 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type fmap 
< 1429351615 91335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b
< 1429351634 868793 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type fmap :: (Monad m) => (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1429351635 727601 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1429351640 45451 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er...
< 1429351662 233903 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (\a b -> fmap a b) :: (Monad m) => (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1429351663 204788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1429351668 79120 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\a b -> fmap a b) :: (Monad m) => (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1429351669 349943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Typeable m0)
< 1429351669 403451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       (maybe you haven't applied enough arguments to a function?)
< 1429351669 403499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       arising from a use of ‘show_M784233406531567547924610’
< 1429351680 291435 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\a -> \b -> fmap a b) :: (Monad m) => (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
< 1429351681 399997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Typeable m0)
< 1429351681 502340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       (maybe you haven't applied enough arguments to a function?)
< 1429351681 555793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       arising from a use of ‘show_M297169522764633571424620’
< 1429351725 117712 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://40.media.tumblr.com/1448b395c61da8f6aead492ef204bcdf/tumblr_mlowa2l8M81rrax6ao1_500.jpg
< 1429353010 107965 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1429353498 854025 :roasted42!~appleseed@vc-nat-gp-s-41-13-14-71.umts.vodacom.co.za QUIT :Changing host
< 1429353498 907803 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429353498 907843 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
< 1429355542 669285 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429355641 725020 :Guest3780!~magician@31.203.160.180 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1429356517 147862 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if left-handedness is more common in cultures that write right-to-left
< 1429357034 725920 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handedness#Combat
< 1429357244 170033 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, my reasoning is that, when writing left-to-right, left-handed people often smudge the ink
< 1429357432 877396 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know
< 1429359172 985688 :mhi^!~mhi@104.131.27.185 QUIT :Changing host
< 1429359173 78933 :mhi^!~mhi@unaffiliated/mhi/x-9993184 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429362527 935060 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429363054 65570 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/dailyprogrammer/comments/32o5je/20150415_challenge_210_intermediate_drawing_a/cqgg67z :D
< 1429363239 210196 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you help me debug something ;-;
< 1429363254 449602 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what's going wrong ;-;
< 1429363616 41245 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1429363722 636638 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429364492 650172 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1429364659 656551 :TheM4ch1n3!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1429365037 339483 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429365769 333477 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429366287 329409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: what is it?
< 1429366579 9777 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429366606 286820 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys. Who's on?
< 1429366754 890015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me
< 1429366792 846416 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey elliott. I've been playing around with an idea for an esolang.
< 1429366794 544043 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also me
< 1429366817 280200 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello Taneb, as well. :)
< 1429366843 203322 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's derivative, so I'll put it on the chopping block and I'll see what you guys think.
< 1429366903 739813 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using 6908E Assemby as the basis (6908E - Color Computer), represent the language using color blocks.
< 1429366963 109243 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No comment tags, addresses aren't used, and labels are represented by the background color.
< 1429367039 829411 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Johellonnie!
< 1429367140 26782 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello boily!
< 1429367153 105594 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm coming up with an example of an idea I'm pondering.
< 1429367267 670189 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, here we are..."STB -1,X" would come out with five blocks of color (one block representing STB, and one block each representing "-", "1", "," and "X")
< 1429367284 927519 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponder the example. create a page on the wiki. consult the fungot.
< 1429367285 161417 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hey, i have unfocused, but at the end, to ask me what my favourite suffix.
< 1429367380 730164 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The key is all characters and background labels are represented by the internet color map (from "000000" to "FFFFFF") and to make it that much more difficult...say have the alphabet be represented by slight variations of the same color (from 00FFFF to 29FFFF)
< 1429367447 10637 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like the idea of representing the Color Computer assembly language using colors.
< 1429367449 859742 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1429367456 846854 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get to work on the page, then.
< 1429367540 633167 :Johnnie!627c7e5f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.124.126.95 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1429367594 271017 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He quit before I read the conversation and instantly thought of ColorForth
< 1429369215 684580 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1429369525 87223 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.deviantart.com/art/Dog-and-hedgehog-rough-sketch-525720474
< 1429369863 554685 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1429371042 115638 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1429371380 682278 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: NESTED CHICKEN
< 1429371833 889718 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429371981 543268 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429372608 360096 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( the hedgehog may never be buggered at all )
< 1429372916 564463 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it may snuggle doggies: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Dog-and-hedgehog-rough-sketch-525720474
< 1429372993 192688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: I saw that, that's why I mentioned it.
< 1429373076 519983 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, did I link this here?
< 1429373095 941076 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1429373100 716737 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would I didn't in the channel I thought I did link it, probably.
< 1429373385 454248 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429373395 2752 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1429374006 419873 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1429374386 721213 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Quit: mitchs
< 1429374785 521006 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429375273 22142 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Doesn’t Nanny Ogg sing that when drunk or something?
< 1429375483 805414 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429375567 24760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429375699 138039 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yes. and some fans have created actual lyrics
< 1429375715 327840 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I thought there were some?
< 1429375767 91200 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the books onlg have fragments
< 1429376179 654624 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, can’t find the bit I remembered.
< 1429376550 243803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know more than http://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Hedgehog_song
< 1429376672 931906 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429377238 917989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429377863 89107 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, that was also a thing, “A Wizard’s Staff Has a Knob On the End”.
< 1429378022 510747 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah, this version includes “The lemurs cry "Frink!" as a coy mating call”.
< 1429378264 31226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 lemur
< 1429378296 711444 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429378413 939528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 lemur
< 1429378421 583926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother said the weight of the Mewtwo that they added to the Smash Brothers recently is a slightly too low weight, and that if disable is countered it should only block the attack and not fight back too.
< 1429378430 703702 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemur (undefined symbol)
< 1429378529 472962 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429378648 803280 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1429378795 104283 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
< 1429380941 393472 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm slightly disappointed. I had expected Agatha to be a a fugue state and therefore immune. Oh well, let's see how this turns out.
< 1429381229 461020 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, why would the Foglios put three major sparks in the same place. Maybe Othar will turn up too.
< 1429381236 14041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a fugue state
< 1429381287 109955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been assuming othar is in mechanicsburg
< 1429381308 977885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly didn't see him leave
< 1429381451 268649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: why would she be immune, lucrezia showed up immediately the last two times the locket was removed.
< 1429381461 293505 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I may be confusing heterodyning (the music stuff) and the fugue state (a general spark thing)
< 1429381494 56125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember hearing about the fugue state before.
< 1429381540 463694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, the music disabled lucrezia before
< 1429381551 249225 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't want to browse the archives. at some point after Klaus was wasped there was a discussion about the effect of wasps on someone in a permanent fugue state (which Klaus, I gathered, is).
< 1429381581 88474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, i don't remember that
< 1429381726 823280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/The_madness_place instead
< 1429381755 911170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429381778 855878 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was mentioned here: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120720
< 1429381783 840620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not paid enough attention to these font changes...
< 1429381853 918619 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1429382020 158817 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I got lucky, I found a forum post about this on the same day. I'd really have no clue how to find this (one-off, detached from the story line) page otherwise.)
< 1429382172 503107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it wasn't "permanent" fugue state, anyway.  and klaus didn't use to be in such a state all the time, see just the _next_ page after that...
< 1429382360 204327 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I read too much into that.
< 1429382667 958367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Madness Place apparently can be forced by methods of mind control, as the "measures" that Baron Wulfenbach inflicted on his son Gil to prevent manipulation by The Other seem to have locked him in a continuous madness place."
< 1429382698 696873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that's what came out of that fugue state question
< 1429382873 116083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1429382897 131857 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, the story has so many loose ends, who knows what's even relevant now...
< 1429383065 856044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1429383113 931088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gil _knows_ about agatha's locket, zeetha told him.
< 1429383114 466692 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the time traveling Agatha Agatha or Lucrecia?
< 1429383198 437821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good question.  i recall one of the characters used "mistress" in scare quotes, which i interpreted as them trying to fool the geisterdamen into _thinking_ they were lucrezia's servants.
< 1429383201 185223 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a thought (and I'm leaning towards Agatha based on her company.)
< 1429383400 819645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the one who looked liked gil
< 1429383418 537826 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1429383530 500109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway moloch was there, so they pretty much _have_ to rescue mechanicsburg first...
< 1429383575 466784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means they may rescue tarvek, and have a good chance of removing lucrezia permanently
< 1429383782 838504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course tarvek might also die.  narratively, unless they _actually_ go for the "she takes both" option, either gil or tarvek pretty much have to.  of course they _could_ subvert that.
< 1429383908 95113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to be procrastinating eating again ->
< 1429384829 661044 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cute. http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Book_of_DuPree  "How [Klaus] convinces Dupree to take time away from her busy schedule of killing, maiming, and torturing others is a mystery."
< 1429385087 738668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: one thing i've been wondering and which we'll soon find answered is whether the copy of klaus in gil's head is still wasped...
< 1429385092 500134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*we may
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< 1429385293 985314 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1429385947 999823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "Invalid Address specified to RtlReAllocateHeap( 003D0000, 003D44A0 )" mean?
< 1429386266 470056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably means you were trying to reallocate an invalid address.
< 1429386330 938727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems that RtlReAllocateHeap is the same as HeapReAlloc hth
< 1429387126 347995 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1429387474 212927 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429387994 196099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now there is some other error, I don't know what it is because it doesn't occur in the debugger; it also doesn't occur if the input file is included rather than coming from stdin (although it doesn't care whether the stdin comes from the keyboard or from a file; the same error occurs in each case).
< 1429388048 308576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it crashes it displays an option to debug; when trying to do that, Visual Studio crashes too.
< 1429388256 877815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so debug visual studio
< 1429388395 134982 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time is it now in america?
< 1429388409 333318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :America is a large place with many timezone
< 1429388418 793781 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1429388430 795594 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:21
< 1429388442 720105 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect streaming sites get slow at night in europe
< 1429388452 286136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then the americans are sucking them dry
< 1429388464 678779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's getting evening in america now
< 1429388475 866108 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so naturally demand probably rises.
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< 1429393303 160191 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42613&oldid=42609 5* 030x0dea 5* (+193) 10Add link to Ruby interpreter
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< 1429394033 464148 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/9Gq52e/raw   wtf am i doing wrong ;-;
< 1429394043 707221 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :15858241145932120218894943871026608990152107751826585365077595114766435.95790063850508607606943707675091261594678265767494925    <- my function's output
< 1429394046 74620 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :1585824114593212021889494387102660899015210775182658536507759216300499513.70549126207955355289853652483    <- output from bc
< 1429394084 364755 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i messed up something TT_TT
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< 1429394758 867018 :oren_!~oren@209.105.212.59 NICK :orin
< 1429394809 788944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out which function in my program results the error but not why, or if it is something that comes before that causes it
< 1429394851 955137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can see the mistake?
< 1429395232 737039 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define cqp(p) ({if((p)==0){printf("%s: %s is null\n",__func__,#p); abort();}})
< 1429395256 921474 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define cqp(p) ({if((p)==0){printf("%s: %s is null\n",__func__,#p); abort();}p;})
< 1429395314 542615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did check already if the pointers are null; none of the pointers that shouldn't be null are null pointers.
< 1429395332 164450 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... what about divide by zero?
< 1429395360 563961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no division operations.
< 1429395409 723843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also like I said before, the error doesn't occur in the debugger or if an instruction on stdin tells it to include the file, rather than the input being on stdin itself.
< 1429395661 919390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now it crashes even if you tell it to include the file, but still does not crash when running in the debugger, and that makes it difficult to test in the debugger.
< 1429395866 522493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now maybe I found it; I tried something else, therefore I can look
< 1429395936 436873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes I think I found it now.
< 1429396142 579377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it is fixed
< 1429396316 626975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mistakes was, I wrote:    p->data=realloc(p->data,sizeof(p->data[0])*(p->length+=i+1)); p->data[p->length].count=i; while(i) p->data[p->length+i].name=y[i-1],--i;   Clearly that is wrong, so I changed it to:    j=p->length; p->data=realloc(p->data,sizeof(p->data[0])*(p->length+=i+1)); p->data[j].count=i; while(i) p->data[j+i].name=y[i-1],--i;
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< 1429403071 618535 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42614&oldid=42594 5* 03Phi 5* (+14) 10
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< 1429405743 528667 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: int-ello. what is stenosteganography? it sounds like something I'd be prefixing to a chicken.
< 1429406281 719859 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it is stuff quickly written in invisible ink? 
< 1429406297 643023 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the electronic equivalent
< 1429406441 421757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are going to write with electric ink?
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< 1429406561 228583 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellorin. I think it's invisible shorthand.
< 1429406578 793649 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. there exists conductive ink for drawing circuits and stuff.
< 1429406681 73257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know writing with shorthand; if I knew then I can try to use shorthand to record any play or movie I watched by writing down everything they say.
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< 1429409521 54912 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expensive laptop, and it's defective
< 1429409523 725662 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is annoyed
< 1429411084 547842 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you already buy it? That was fast.
< 1429412093 896938 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't printers work by singeing the paper with heat? Then they wouldn't need ink. 
< 1429412362 897885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much fire do you need to do that?
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< 1429413317 208148 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :greg shorthand is pretty interesting because it is optimised for ease of movement
< 1429413681 330140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of that; the book I have is Pitman (although this book doesn't explain all of it either)
< 1429413779 770651 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's online http://gregg.angelfishy.net/
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< 1429414355 334929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42615&oldid=42570 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+4) 10/* Escape sequence */ Err
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< 1429415407 341771 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, yes, and using it now
< 1429415715 790876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the shorthand for recording plays and movies and theater and stuff?
< 1429416575 597088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot interrupt them in such a case if you miss something while writing!
< 1429416615 707620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also needs to do without interrupting other people who watch the show.
< 1429417753 226462 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1429419692 849868 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: like thermal printers?
< 1429419718 588807 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most receipt printers do that, no ink required! (special thermal paper required)
< 1429419809 987016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to learn to make up and then write in Theater Shorthand; that's what I would use shorthand for, because I don't need it for other purposes.
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< 1429420481 816327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even know answer of any of my question at all, or anything a few thing a bit about it, or even to question the question (or to question the question the question the question)?
< 1429420765 603597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Theater Shorthand?
< 1429420891 377460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new kind that we would have to make up, to use for recording live theater or movies without the use of any device other than pencil and paper and without disturbing any other people in audience or disturbing the actors
< 1429421842 318848 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just develop a photographic memory?
< 1429421950 386272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it written down
< 1429421962 958452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such thing what they said and so on
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< 1429422968 199508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know stuff about my other questions above though?
< 1429423305 294740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Such as, how much fire you need and how large a hexagonal grid cell must be and how to automatically fill in the frequent words table and so on)
< 1429423818 902571 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... it would have to be a shorthand such that you can write in the dark.
< 1429423865 189131 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the test I did just now, it's not easy to write legibly without looking at what you're writing
< 1429423974 709980 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shorthand would need to be designed so you won't normally write over your previous line, or maybe the notepad would need some sort of texture so you can tell where you are writing
< 1429424029 953887 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDream
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< 1429428591 661355 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42616&oldid=42496 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+45) 10/* Quine */
< 1429428632 597809 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42618&oldid=42615 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+45) 10/* Quine */
< 1429428862 246379 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a phonographic memory would work better for that.
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< 1429437897 542829 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42619&oldid=42572 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+57) 10/* Cheating Quines */
< 1429437926 458240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42620&oldid=42619 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+0) 10/* Gibberish/Javascript */
< 1429438071 348520 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42621&oldid=42620 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+62) 10/* Gibberish */
< 1429438168 749027 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42623&oldid=42621 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+1) 10/* Gibberish/JavaScript */  上次少了一个空格！
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< 1429440512 940771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<boily> hezzo38. there exists conductive ink for drawing circuits and stuff. <-- i've been here too long, i read that as coinductive
< 1429440793 517368 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inkwell that never bottoms out
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< 1429444257 538418 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, there is actually a funciton quine
< 1429444265 174300 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am impressed
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< 1429453784 109488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there programs that print out their machine code?
< 1429453814 103707 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1429453822 276695 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bytecode
< 1429453824 350274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter
< 1429453871 655383 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: sure, quines
< 1429453900 344757 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429454016 301495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1429454021 717131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write it dirctly in machinecode ok
< 1429454078 384411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I meant more like they'll output P where P is what a transpiler/compiler would produce given the original program
< 1429454153 437733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should in principle be easy, use the normal quine construction with "run a compiler" instead of "print"
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< 1429454227 685387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler can be completely embedded if you want
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< 1429454415 636717 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't even need that
< 1429454430 695814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1429454470 874820 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just write a non-quine that outputs a literal twice (with the second copy in the middle), compile, it, then change the literal to what the compiler has output, and iterate this a few times until it stabilizes
< 1429454509 989831 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even easier than in most languages because you probably don't need backslash stuff, the literal will appear literally in the executable
< 1429454517 649366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what guarantee do you have that it stabilizes
< 1429454538 828774 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless it's an executable in the silly MMIX object file format)
< 1429454594 822812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think compilers usually embed literals in decimal?
< 1429454619 103267 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: once you know the length of the literal, the executable will remain the same except that when you modify the literal itself its verbatim copy will change in the executable. the length of the literal and the position where it has to be inserted in the output will change, but will converge quickly, and in any case, only have finitely many values.
< 1429454643 533296 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory it could fail to converge and get in a short loop, but you can just fuzz the program a bit to avoid that
< 1429454650 508664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1429454683 942302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree it _could_ work, provided you have a literal type that _does_ get literally embedded in the executable in the same form as in source
< 1429454705 386948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i guess strings do
< 1429454707 232706 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure it does. just a global char d[] = {3,1,4,1,5,...}; will be
< 1429454708 759668 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no strings
< 1429454715 113040 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an array with constant initializer
< 1429454735 169367 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're worried the rest of the program is optimized for it too much, put it in a separate compilation unit
< 1429454744 427507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: um, surely it doesn't get embedded as the same byte sequence "3,1,4,1,5"
< 1429454763 630620 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: exactly, it gets embedded as the raw bytes
< 1429454763 872308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 3 in source is a 51 byte, you know
< 1429454780 863776 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what you have to print, because the point is to print not the C source, but the executable file
< 1429454783 886081 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what we want?
< 1429454792 618410 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to print _any_ part of the C source code at all
< 1429454806 726293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1429454810 875110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1429454816 308116 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(replace C with some other compiled language if you wish)
< 1429454837 586921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION epiphany
< 1429454847 438472 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, you could write it directly in machine code too if you choose to)
< 1429454913 834185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1429455184 516463 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other ways to write such a quine: 
< 1429455208 291873 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could duplicate only the elf headers, and have the program read the code and constant data segments directly;
< 1429455226 487463 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could fuzz with the elf headers so the entire executable file is mapped, and then write that;
< 1429455247 758856 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a DOS COM file already does that, so just making it write(1, 0x100, length of file); return; would work
< 1429455286 626264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in quines, that's called "cheating" hth
< 1429455291 261477 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably around 20 bytes of a COM file, less if you golf agressively
< 1429455335 880448 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not. it's cheating if you're reading the file, or otherwise accessing it in a way the program doesn't normally do so
< 1429455362 660854 :b_jonas!~x@5400C982.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is perfectly normal for an executable program to have portions of it mapped in memory (some of the data portions might _change_ by the time you access them though)
< 1429455379 84295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in machine code...
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< 1429455410 454535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this question is less interesting if the original language is that close to the machine.
< 1429456103 3708 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well accessing the machine code in memory is probably cheating yes
< 1429456129 458851 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe it runs on a computer with code/data separated
< 1429456132 163404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a microcontroller
< 1429456139 69066 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't have read/write access to it.
< 1429456274 656563 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYQB
< 1429456275 133524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYQB 191500Z VRB06KT 30SM FEW040 08/M04 A3027 RMK SC1 SC TR SLP255
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< 1429466563 613257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:BCompton14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42625&oldid=41530 5* 03BCompton 5* (+7) 10/* Languages I've implemented */
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< 1429467488 10459 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basilisk14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42626 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+1369) 10Created page Basilisk
< 1429467558 65868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42627&oldid=42140 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+71) 10/* General languages */ Added Basilisk
< 1429467796 376958 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Vriskanon14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42628&oldid=42596 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+52) 10/* Vriskanon */ Added credit for Basilisk
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< 1429473681 418652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some machine codes are harvard, too
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< 1429484335 777073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<$!>)
< 1429484337 45810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => (a -> b) -> m a -> m b
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< 1429492207 917091 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://berlin.ipsojobs.com/job/senior-brainf-k-developer/3-1473326
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< 1429500435 333385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made the Deadfish using both compilers for OASYS which are both OAC and OAA and now is possible to see how they are compared.
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< 1429504236 957677 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f='.';o c(x:y)=x:c y;z c(x:y)=f:c y;p n='p':ap fix p(o.n)in f:f:p z
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< 1429504390 950506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that?
< 1429504958 59095 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime numbers
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< 1429505025 771663 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429505123 45538 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f='.';o c(x:y)=x:c y;z c(x:y)=f:c y;p n='p':ap fix p(o.n)in map fst . filter ((=='p') . snd) $ zip [0..] (f:f:p z)
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< 1429505184 855598 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: mind if I tweet that?
< 1429505199 369685 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be my guest!
< 1429505202 685468 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :who should I attribute it to?
< 1429505214 682339 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me and int-e
< 1429505214 996793 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tromp on IRC"? :)
< 1429505378 920458 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we developed it in BLC originally
< 1429505392 818657 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see https://github.com/tromp/AIT
< 1429505429 299918 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also featured in http://www.ioccc.org/2012/tromp/hint.html
< 1429505449 972852 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just translated it to Haskell tonight...
< 1429505514 641478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes now I can see, that is what it is.
< 1429505549 970397 :jsilver!~jsilver@174-29-58-217.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429505567 804755 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, pretty cool :)
< 1429505569 49207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics will make up many ways of one thing a lot of times.
< 1429505578 963676 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm off to bed now...  g'night!
< 1429505748 488310 :jsilver!~jsilver@174-29-58-217.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if numbers start at 0, why isn't 56 really called 57
< 1429505863 30748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yopumpkin
< 1429506597 490098 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsilver: you could call it that. 
< 1429506662 983728 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the names of numbers are pretty much arbitrary
< 1429506727 100603 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better question however is why isn't eleven called oneteen?
< 1429506780 617287 :jsilver!~jsilver@174-29-58-217.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
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< 1429508576 30106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such a thing as a <urn:null> URI?
< 1429509341 33658 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429509571 384594 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 〇
< 1429509572 428228 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+3007 IDEOGRAPHIC NUMBER ZERO]
< 1429509647 443449 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429510064 708501 :jsilver!~jsilver@174-29-58-217.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is really fucking cool man
< 1429510078 99831 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1429510177 873519 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAA WHY ARE THE SUBTITLES HALF IN GERMAN
< 1429510201 279122 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't like german?
< 1429510267 396882 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't mind since I understand the japanese anyway, but it is weird
< 1429510505 52917 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She says よかった、友達が出来た and the subtitles say "I'm glad I made some Freunde"
< 1429510661 511285 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I'm starting to like this.
< 1429510898 475560 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was ist los? どうしたの？
< 1429511034 881593 :jsilver!~jsilver@174-29-58-217.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck this is so cool man, my mind is blown
< 1429511223 703300 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07QuinePig14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42634&oldid=41983 5* 03122.37.11.94 5* (+0) 10/* Text File Named "Hello, World!" */
< 1429511543 766922 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you watching?
< 1429511712 866994 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1429511911 512241 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CASISP14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42635 5* 03Orenwatson 5* (+576) 10lol this would be awesome
< 1429511921 40268 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :girls und panzer
< 1429511952 521701 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1429511986 859686 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, the title is half german, too
< 1429512068 651187 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think we could just mix programming languages too,
< 1429512115 727413 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it
< 1429512433 28981 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense PHP is kind of a Perl/C crossover.
< 1429512495 781651 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is
< 1429512902 488421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(
< 1429512996 82151 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreting such a programming language would be easy for a human, but hard for a computer
< 1429513164 674448 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Der Herrgott sei gelobt" <-- what does that mean?!!?!?!?
< 1429513300 779229 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in short "thank god"
< 1429513341 291746 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. that makes sense
< 1429513419 413953 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1429513481 512162 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Praise the lord" 
< 1429513503 271957 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more literally "Praised be the lord"(?)
< 1429513521 988828 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they translated よかった with it
< 1429513523 37048 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that is proper english though.
< 1429513562 391855 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sei" is subjunctive.
< 1429513895 79454 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even "the lord be praised"
< 1429513938 409452 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that sounds like proper english
< 1429513964 292923 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(based on my arbitrary native speaker sense of what sounds right)
< 1429513985 142696 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is legitimate, but a bit formal, nigh on archaic
< 1429513990 950972 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1429514022 503405 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDAHcZnUUAALn2d.jpg
< 1429514292 910234 :Froox!~Frooxius@199-241-202-205.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1429514537 344305 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you say otherwise?
< 1429514544 984250 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Praise the lord"
< 1429514550 622498 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like an order.
< 1429514796 640634 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it kind of is a set phrase...
< 1429514860 860701 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess halelujah is also still used, but that is hebrew not english
< 1429515261 180890 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1429515358 900204 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing I switched religions.
< 1429515729 521817 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42636&oldid=42033 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+134) 10/* Music */ Added idea for original Daft Punk language
< 1429515775 289085 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429515863 95052 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A religion of peace :)
< 1429515876 922644 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you like peace?
< 1429515877 25575 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: a very tiny car... coincidence, utahraptor?: we either have to acknowledge that, why call him " hey man of my racial qualities! so say a decision has to be made to feel the miracle??
< 1429515908 403782 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A decision has to be made to feel the miracle"
< 1429516330 778266 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it. I'm tired but I have to sta up so that I'll be on a sleep schedule where my test is in the afternoon
< 1429516367 201237 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's probably the last exam I'll ever take
< 1429516475 710352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1429516481 758416 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your current sleep schedule?
< 1429516546 45968 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I would be going to sleep aboutnow
< 1429517213 734525 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can one solve equation systems of the sort a ^ b = c AND a | b = d AND a & b = e where c,d and e are known but not a,b?
< 1429517283 227104 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can obviously brute-force it)
< 1429517307 845643 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if that even gives a unique answer.
< 1429517518 327551 :Insipid!~Owner@cpe-72-224-137-157.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429517636 804926 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... if d=0 then the only answer is a=b=0. If e=1 then the only answer is a=b=1.
< 1429517702 549420 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If d=1 and e=0, then one of a,b is 0 and the other is 1
< 1429517738 508813 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and c has to be 1, so it tells us nothing
< 1429517754 164995 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you cannot solve it
< 1429517812 290750 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AFTL14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42637 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+122) 10cre
< 1429517908 313701 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AFTL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42638&oldid=42637 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+2) 10Created AFTL stub page
< 1429517950 398574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42639&oldid=42614 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+11) 10/* A */ Added Another Fucking Time Loop
< 1429518174 525224 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah not uniquely :(
< 1429518508 668128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? http://sprunge.us/OjWM makes it sound like there'd be a unique combination of c, d, e for each of the possible values of a, b.
< 1429518535 257121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I can't read.
< 1429518554 377624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the 0/1, 1/0 cases have the same c, d, e.
< 1429518599 324337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Given that all three are commutative, maybe not so surprising.)
< 1429518633 47709 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d would have to be 1 not 0. if d is 0 or e is 1 then c must be 0 
< 1429518657 195375 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A naive person like me would even claim that the above system is "over defined"
< 1429518662 754038 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 equations, 2 variables
< 1429518680 983968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I wrote the table all wrong. I've just woken up, going to blame that.)
< 1429518707 102858 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that only works for algebra on real numbers
< 1429518822 846916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had, say, a ^ b, a | b and a -> b, then you could tell.
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< 1429518965 578819 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1429519115 588838 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AFTL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42640&oldid=42638 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+2264) 10Added all content excluding sample programs.
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< 1429519174 692937 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Vriskanon14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42641&oldid=42628 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+11) 10/* Original Languages */ Added AFTL
< 1429519289 150362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas on how to encode a,b into c and d so that a,b can only be reconstructed by somebody knowing both c and d?
< 1429519299 358833 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a,b are integers mod N
< 1429519309 522919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and c,d also integers mod N)
< 1429519315 359078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where N > 2
< 1429519320 961360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :N >= 2
< 1429519322 570436 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1429519372 667767 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+b, a-b
< 1429519444 1226 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429519464 933657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not quite a one time pad
< 1429519474 432228 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1429519479 341887 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0+0 = 0, 0 - 0 = 0
< 1429519487 113726 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :128+128 = 0, 128 - 128 = 0
< 1429519490 900746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for N=256
< 1429519500 137897 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1429519534 980561 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about for prime N
< 1429519570 651584 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work.
< 1429519574 319461 :Insipid!~Owner@cpe-72-224-137-157.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429519598 386769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd N is enough, i think
< 1429519603 787595 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjanL whats a one time pad
< 1429519621 532028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect encryption with a key as long as the message
< 1429519622 945846 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh I mean oerjan:
< 1429519645 324778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be perfect, the key must _never_ be reused, thus one time
< 1429519667 785318 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah odd N suffices.
< 1429519693 644103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you encrypt a as a + k, say.
< 1429519705 93471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(any group operation will do.)
< 1429519757 326474 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the one time pad?
< 1429519758 643499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it is a one time pad if b is the key
< 1429519767 618775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b isn't the key
< 1429519775 570562 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a and b are two data points
< 1429519794 411907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case i believe what you're asking is mathematically impossible
< 1429519804 749177 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it works with odd N
< 1429519828 607587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean, to be secure you have to assume the attacker knows _something_ about a and b.
< 1429519843 743750 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1429519862 77140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah
< 1429519866 856192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, imagine is a be were just 0 and 1 (but you still used > 1 bits) (this is a hypothetical strawman to illustrate)
< 1429519868 341599 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's terrible against known plaintexts I guess
< 1429519879 509315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that.
< 1429519889 780650 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or partially known plaintexts
< 1429519903 358520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even texts in a known language
< 1429519997 170458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh secret sharing _is_ a branch of cryptography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_sharing
< 1429520030 354965 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you would have no overhead and wouldn't need to transmit any keys
< 1429520033 988867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however you need more bits than the secret to be shared
< 1429520056 451456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i don't think that's theoretically possible.
< 1429520076 883560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the overhead is needed to make it work.
< 1429520083 631563 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasonably if a and b were images
< 1429520090 113927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can encode those two images into two other images
< 1429520098 670113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and give one to each of my two friends
< 1429520116 894260 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they wouldn't be able to get these two images back without consulting each other
< 1429520124 728849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless they have good prior knowledge about a and b I guess)
< 1429520143 501366 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't need to give them any keys or whatsoever.
< 1429520167 345181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you need a good scrambling function.  hm can you write it using just a hash...
< 1429520196 637520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume we can use a publically know hash function.
< 1429520200 97464 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the scenario I'm aiming at actually :D @two images, distribute to two friends
< 1429520251 776844 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however you can probably see parts of the images :(
< 1429520266 890628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if one is bright and one is dark (i.e mostly (0,0,0) pixels)
< 1429520273 100360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would see the other image in the a+b image
< 1429520275 761327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a + b + h, a - b + h, the question is what should the hash h be _of_ to make it reconstructible
< 1429520320 918654 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1429520330 4080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you hash b it works with that, i think
< 1429520344 704093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can reconstruct b by subtraction
< 1429520348 622113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a + b - h, a - b + h?
< 1429520362 720212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: for that you can hash a
< 1429520368 732990 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that let's you reconstruct h anyway?
< 1429520377 679630 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by taking the difference of the two images?
< 1429520380 148780 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no
< 1429520383 564906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid me :(
< 1429520397 509691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several options here
< 1429520480 440278 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use the upper left pixels to encode some information I guess
< 1429520493 46997 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you loose a few pixel of the image :(
< 1429520497 511637 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that'd be cheating
< 1429520579 222342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just use xor or something
< 1429520627 317223 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How?
< 1429520632 436388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wrong
< 1429520643 522807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not with his requirement that the resulting shares should be that small
< 1429520648 561065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use xor to split A and B into A and C or B and C such that the combination of both gives you the remaining one
< 1429520649 473714 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ^ b = c; a ^ d = e; but then you'd need to transmit c,d and e
< 1429520661 463077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that requires revealing one of A or B
< 1429520703 513976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw he's not assuming that the number of values is a power of 2, so xor isn't necessarily available
< 1429520712 387662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on
< 1429520719 958365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can xor images well enough
< 1429520746 60987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they usually _are_ a whole number of bits
< 1429520746 450693 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can xor images, yes.
< 1429520785 137954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a hash function H and let c = a ^ b then you could somehow compute a fixed point x = encrypt(c, H(y)), y = encrypt(c, H(x)). maybe.
< 1429520799 191291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not quite
< 1429520805 729817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1429520807 499714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you just
< 1429520810 153818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = encrypt(a, H(b))
< 1429520812 843668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y = encrypt(b, H(a))
< 1429520818 114873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. because you can't go from both of those to a or b
< 1429520821 386578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs
< 1429520918 177777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = encrypt(a, H(y)), y = encrypt(b, H(x)) would still work, but that's just cheating by assuming you can construct that fixed point
< 1429521003 638185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I am sure oerjan will figure it out
< 1429521005 775107 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also randomly select if you should use the pixel from image A or image B
< 1429521039 203753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if rnd() then x[i] = a[i] ; y[i] = b [i] else x[i] = b[i]; y[i] = a [i];
< 1429521041 659838 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that
< 1429521057 841636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you'd need to comunicate the seed somehow 
< 1429521058 965223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_sharing#Space_efficient_secret_sharing <-- this seems to imply you cannot get quite down to that size, and in fact there is no saving with just 2 people
< 1429521074 412122 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate that a + b, a - b totally works
< 1429521076 454025 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for images
< 1429521082 748140 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :images aren't random enough :(
< 1429521179 911848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could scramble things though
< 1429521184 917926 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like x = a + b; y = a -b;
< 1429521191 513711 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then swap pixels in x and y
< 1429521221 209987 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. swap x[i] and y[i])
< 1429521239 207258 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reduces visible artefacts to some extent.
< 1429521258 607865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of my adding a hash was to ensure that scrambling.
< 1429521293 387028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the hash has to be the same size, and indistinguishable from random noise
< 1429521320 274848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1429521330 190697 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x a + b + H(b)
< 1429521338 6387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is obviously vulnerable to an attacker who knows either a or b
< 1429521339 520403 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = a + b + H(b), y = a - b + H(b)?
< 1429521364 480861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yeah
< 1429521375 231064 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x - y = a + b + H(b) - a + b - H(b) = b + b?
< 1429521377 540388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except + _doesn't_ work with whole bits
< 1429521400 904085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe nothing does, hm
< 1429521430 631214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(everything mod N)
< 1429521443 294146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works when N is odd
< 1429521443 425589 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't really divide by 2 :(
< 1429521471 235497 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you reconstruct b?
< 1429521490 76489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy when N is odd hth
< 1429521525 624446 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. right.
< 1429521545 485803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = a - b + H(b), y = a + 2b + H(b) would work when N is not divisible by 3, etc.
< 1429521628 189524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm slightly worried that some bits may seep through there
< 1429521628 993391 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If an attacker knows a or b your privacy is lost anyway :D
< 1429521649 502931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm nah
< 1429521667 630022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends on H probably
< 1429521672 297981 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if H(x) = x then yes :D
< 1429521680 514524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably something wrong about this scheme since the wikipedia page doesn't mention it, but i don't know what :)
< 1429521698 805728 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's too good so the NSA doesn't want people to know it .
< 1429521701 837814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why in the world would H(x) = x
< 1429521729 312930 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's the Hashfunction recommended by the NSA
< 1429521733 290581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if we're considering bits then H is either identity or negation right
< 1429521734 283087 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok enough NSA jokes.
< 1429521749 871347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um we're not considering single bits hth
< 1429521777 623584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm pretty sure i used the word "strawman" in the line where i did)
< 1429521822 882916 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AFTL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42642&oldid=42640 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+279) 10Added Hello World sample program
< 1429521844 399322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: okay but we're considering images right
< 1429521849 908699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so isn't + meant to be bitwise xor or whatever
< 1429521852 469207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the NSA doesn't want encryption to be _that_ bad.  they don't want the _chinese_ to be able to break it, after all.
< 1429521879 735804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, it's + (mod N), sheesh
< 1429521944 858693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were xor then 2b would be 0.  otoh i don't see why that _really_ breaks anything...
< 1429522028 121886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my assumption is that the NSA wants encryption to be strong but them to have a backdoor.  which i recall is exactly what they tried to do to one standard.
< 1429522079 168913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then, x = a + b + H(b), y = a + H(b).
< 1429522104 527060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it works with any group addition.
< 1429522249 532598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably breaks for lousy a and b
< 1429522518 575538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok but what is H then
< 1429522528 721939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it has a smaller domain than codomain?
< 1429522562 366653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that wouldn't work, needs to be equal size
< 1429522599 133137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1429522602 389724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure this is a hash function :P
< 1429522610 221345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to look like random noise
< 1429522612 977800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1429522620 58219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm not sure that's what it's called
< 1429522625 195660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a name for that kind of scrambler
< 1429522684 845553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it's also necessary that b + H(b) looks like random noise
< 1429522742 185764 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some basic structure can still be recognised depending on the pictures.
< 1429522761 486087 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my hash function isn't that great probably
< 1429522780 986974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: RANDOM NOISE OF THE SAME SIZE hth
< 1429522795 662668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: H is basically an encryption with some random key
< 1429522800 948876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, some pre-specified key)
< 1429522812 36882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1429522818 922827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's just H(x) = x ^ key
< 1429522847 984208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um no that would break the b + H(b) assumption i just f mentioned hth
< 1429522872 9176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1429522874 97735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well key would be noise
< 1429522898 802405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you mean ^ = + = xor, it doesn't help, b + H(b) = key then
< 1429522932 480816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty fatal
< 1429522957 319257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that the key is _not_ secret or we break the whole problem statement)
< 1429522977 71393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1429522984 346979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well are you sure this H exists
< 1429523005 514804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want H(x) to not be x, and also x + H(x) to neither be x nor H(x), but not be the same for all x
< 1429523020 355197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my intuition is misfiring in seeing a pigeonhole problem here
< 1429523068 671220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um there's no requirement it cannot accidentally coincide for _some_ x.
< 1429523128 211955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just has to be astonishingly unlikely
< 1429523139 734496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right okay
< 1429523155 664963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using x^3 `mod` 255
< 1429523177 231516 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429523186 523287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody upstairs neighbor trampling around
< 1429523241 146200 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still recognize that it's a building in the picture :)
< 1429523271 63010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it's not supposed to apply the hash function to each byte separately, duh
< 1429523282 238769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to be a hash of the _whole_ picture
< 1429523287 670754 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1429523289 45808 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1429523298 293662 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1429523302 697572 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if b is a white picture
< 1429523317 747123 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a black one for that matter
< 1429523325 447339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...then you're lost anyway because what attacker cannot test such simple cases?
< 1429523341 115548 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try hitting the ceiling with a broom
< 1429523345 884139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you take the hash of the whole picture
< 1429523348 421652 :Insipid!~Owner@cpe-72-224-137-157.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1429523351 248064 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still recognize structures in them
< 1429523353 211759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a broom.
< 1429523359 724367 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an area is uniform in one picture
< 1429523375 212567 :Insipid!~Owner@cpe-72-224-137-157.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429523377 366411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uniformly coloured)
< 1429523383 336902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other picture will "shimmer" through
< 1429523422 735827 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try throwing a potato at the ceiling
< 1429523438 112333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the hash is supposed to look like random noise for heaven's sake
< 1429523454 837033 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't?
< 1429523463 316961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: THEN FIND A BETTER ONE
< 1429523468 180148 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1429523472 455937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hash has the same size as the picture?
< 1429523475 687404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1429523477 111571 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429523478 208292 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!
< 1429523478 737515 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1429523491 546046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you please call it something other than H :P
< 1429523545 990960 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429523554 2369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION must be having that Curse of knowledge thing
< 1429523566 820002 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it 9
< 1429523575 26306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashed together with dunning-kruger
< 1429523593 957554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: i don't have a potato hth
< 1429523665 229102 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1429523757 676739 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean specifically a potato, just some random object
< 1429523783 561456 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1429523870 648467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE NO RANDOM OBJECTS oh wait
< 1429523879 842447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they sort of stopped.
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< 1429525709 734976 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1429525713 302262 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429525860 94015 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015
< 1429525860 659703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429525986 790262 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2016
< 1429525987 691683 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 2016: not found
< 1429525993 925941 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` type 2015
< 1429525994 895326 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015 is /hackenv/bin/2015
< 1429526005 885841 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file /hackenv/bin/2015
< 1429526008 623421 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/2015: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable
< 1429526018 432568 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/2015
< 1429526019 184029 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1429526040 399677 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/2014
< 1429526041 240909 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1429526065 925739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wiki 2014
< 1429526065 978957 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/2014
< 1429526275 253498 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone has yet to write a page on the 2015 derivative
< 1429526286 46701 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexadecimal Stacking Pseudo-Assembly Language14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42643&oldid=42394 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+10) 10wikify a bit
< 1429526451 855114 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it outputs when run in any year but it's 2015?
< 1429526480 637477 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 2015*
< 1429526698 961740 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1429526868 761233 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42644&oldid=42569 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-19) 10Fix some disorder
< 1429527288 153433 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42645&oldid=42639 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-6) 10/* G */ grm
< 1429527613 46938 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1429527613 709057 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429527615 188890 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015
< 1429527615 841178 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429527617 660923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2016
< 1429527618 186349 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 2016: not found
< 1429527759 228655 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016 should be, if 2014 and 2015 give the same output then output it too, if not then... something else.
< 1429528040 613999 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Meq14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42646&oldid=42348 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+642) 10Wikify and format
< 1429528085 529808 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429528250 456469 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1429528419 787628 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if year = 0 then echo "Welcome, Jesus!"
< 1429528434 73200 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, unless you beleive some period around 17xx didn't exist.
< 1429528442 75494 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*believe
< 1429528460 406143 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was around 17xx wasn't it?)
< 1429528492 354135 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which proposes that the year 613 was followed by the year 911 hm no
< 1429528543 859924 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 AD, so he got there by advancing the calendar 300 years
< 1429528556 672407 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok apparenteley multiple people screwed with the calendar.
< 1429528572 367776 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :613-911 didn't exist and 700-1000 didn't exist.
< 1429528580 541453 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense
< 1429528588 950198 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1429528600 867275 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can he advance 300 years from 700 to 1000 if the year 700 didn't exist in the first place?
< 1429528666 133848 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1429528677 472630 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is 'he'?
< 1429528744 316871 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhelloman. they saved on non-existing years by recycling one that never happened in the first place hth
< 1429528754 964302 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndhelloDaan. it's him, who else?
< 1429528859 725847 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoiwdy.
< 1429528863 368579 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1429528867 514493 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: the pope I think.
< 1429528895 449269 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember
< 1429528908 211754 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just know that there are conspiracies about years being skipped
< 1429528915 328488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no sane man would do that
< 1429528926 364073 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1429528928 242405 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just assumed it has a religous background to do so
< 1429528945 307557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would advance the calender to 3145
< 1429528948 424491 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm no sane man :p
< 1429528995 387075 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_hypothesis
< 1429529003 42253 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of those conspiracies.
< 1429529089 176392 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One theory ran that one pope wanted to be the pope of record for 1000 AD, so he got there by advancing the calendar 300 years. "
< 1429529107 285848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could've just asked god for him to live another 300 years but ok...
< 1429529132 563310 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he hoped to bring about the second coming. 
< 1429529137 589203 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Another theory ran that the church had created historical documents predicting future events, and when they didn’t happen they just made up the history to match the documents, stuck it in and claimed that the predictions had come true.  "
< 1429529220 812492 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the weird Fomenko theory
< 1429529236 891173 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PLUVIOUS CHICKEN
< 1429529243 239297 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Axo14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42647&oldid=42357 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+38) 10table style, fmt, template
< 1429529256 245243 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which claims that various events prior to 1000 were postdated copies of events that happened after
< 1429529325 168764 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Solomon and Suleiman the Magnificent are the same person
< 1429529384 77535 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pseudohistory is entertaining sometimes
< 1429529644 59099 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1429529953 224309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07POGAACK14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42648&oldid=42397 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-21) 10Something went wrong with that last edit. Also link.
< 1429530098 754286 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Object oriented thue14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42649&oldid=42481 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+11) 10intro fmt
< 1429530164 923458 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no way of proving that anything happened prior to ~1996
< 1429530295 378124 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: How old were you 1996?
< 1429530308 5053 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 3
< 1429530329 156430 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming the previous three years actually happened
< 1429530335 742520 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are you sure that it really was the year 1996?
< 1429530341 988552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing that some years might not have existed at all.
< 1429530349 942239 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it could have been the year 0
< 1429530391 324927 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would make this year 19
< 1429530444 246722 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately, we could fix 1970 as year 0
< 1429530446 144028 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish (programming language)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42650&oldid=42588 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+64) 10link, tables, link description
< 1429530513 248802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :using 1970 as year 0 sounds reasonable.
< 1429530695 936510 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making Alan Shepard the first man on the moon
< 1429530716 492148 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is 1970? I think year 0 is year 0
< 1429530717 363832 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10moved [[02ASCII art/mandelbrot10]] to [[User:Esowiki201529A/ASCII art/mandelbrot]]: I don't think this should be a main namespace article all by itself
< 1429530770 932092 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would allow us to more easily convert unix time to years
< 1429530792 686757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't we use to have subpages in User:
< 1429531674 363331 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hashes14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42652&oldid=42493 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-21) 10Undo revision 42493 by [[Special:Contributions/Esowiki201529A|Esowiki201529A]] ([[User talk:Esowiki201529A|talk]]) (doesn't work)
< 1429531859 114880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki is nearly locking up again :(
< 1429531908 122932 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish (disambiguation)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42653&oldid=42574 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+14) 10We seem to have a template for this
< 1429532089 672495 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.88.181 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1429533224 807525 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[0742014]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42654 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+2633) 10Added 420 in celebration of 4/20. Code is a derivative of Chicken.
< 1429533248 881270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1429533268 331620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Vriskanon14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42655&oldid=42641 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+10) 10/* Joke Languages */ Added 420 credit
< 1429533308 388300 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42656&oldid=42627 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+76) 10/* General languages */ Added 420
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< 1429536384 557914 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[0742014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42657&oldid=42654 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+1) 10/* Commands */ Fixed an error in table
< 1429536611 179613 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AFTL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42658&oldid=42642 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+163) 10/* Commands */ Added spacing clarification
< 1429536774 281284 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1429537170 23507 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: but Fomenko is probably the sanest of them all
< 1429538028 993693 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429538217 584897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429539580 662172 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, my favorite large number is one I like to call "the largest reasonable number".
< 1429539617 483510 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The largest number representable in the calculus of constructions using no more than a million symbols.
< 1429539666 206703 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that's a rather ambiguous definition. What, exactly, is "the calculus of constructions", and what counts as a "symbol", and how do you represent a number in the CoC.
< 1429539851 751055 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429539942 65465 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the notation of "reasonably large numbers"
< 1429540031 873401 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call every number reasonable that can be expressed as a sum of distinct square roots.
< 1429540047 629313 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 = sqrt(9) + sqrt(4)
< 1429540070 372030 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I call numbers of the form n = sqrt(a) + sqrt(b) where (a - b) = n super reasonable
< 1429540082 158787 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope there aren't too many of them)
< 1429540091 743335 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are too many
< 1429540106 445803 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't every number be expressed as the sum of two squares actually?
< 1429540146 918096 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about square roots.
< 1429540149 114980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a - b) = sqrt(a) + sqrt(b); thus (a - b)² = (sqrt(a) + sqrt(b))²; thus a² - 2ab + b² = a + b + 2×sqrt(a×b)
< 1429540162 132289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: even more numbers can be expressed as the sum of two square roots
< 1429540178 688157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. 3 is not the sum of two squares
< 1429540185 373457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's sqrt(1) + sqrt(4)
< 1429540190 866410 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1429540214 943331 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you can do that with every number ;)
< 1429540226 954708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a necessary condition for a number to be super reasonable is that a×b is a square number
< 1429540229 641091 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = a + b
< 1429540237 71995 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just square a and b
< 1429540239 444560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and done :D
< 1429540243 324028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, super reasonable is harder
< 1429540259 691113 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1429540261 329094 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 can't
< 1429540271 491852 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(4) + sqrt(1) is 3
< 1429540274 510021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 = sqrt(9) + sqrt(1)
< 1429540279 698108 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429540309 342852 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be more fun if the numbers to be square rooted can't exceed the number itself
< 1429540331 506426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case it's impossible for any but very small numbers
< 1429540337 797267 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1429540342 81259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most numbers are greater than twice their own square root
< 1429540353 900596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this super reasonable thing is more interesting though
< 1429540356 925996 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can use multiple square roots
< 1429540360 748313 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not the same one twice.
< 1429540366 898737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1429540429 114903 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1429540441 741998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm still
< 1429540454 26656 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(1) + sqrt(4) would be illegal then
< 1429540497 695031 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's no good
< 1429540503 638944 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to come up with more useful things.
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< 1429542078 337498 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What about numbers that can't be divided by any sum of two of its factors.
< 1429542091 179415 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 6 is not such a number because 1+2 = 3 and 3 divides 6
< 1429542111 298542 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 however 1,2,4,8 is such a number.
< 1429542134 114705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that there's a simple rule here
< 1429542137 451335 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1429542144 136400 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably with the number 3
< 1429542149 214454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :along the line of "any number with three different prime factors"
< 1429542155 581730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not necessary
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< 1429544102 252279 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which dc
< 1429544103 82370 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/dc
< 1429544110 9060 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :``echo [[]]ax | dc
< 1429544112 550577 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `echo: not found
< 1429544117 219004 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o
< 1429544123 908615 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah a space
< 1429544125 977761 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo [[]]ax | dc
< 1429544127 769061 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 1:   293 Done                    echo [[]]ax \        294 Segmentation fault      | dc
< 1429544133 372968 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ segfault
< 1429544133 517776 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |
< 1429544133 603525 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /´\
< 1429544148 746297 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: stop adding penises -_-
< 1429544271 241613 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
< 1429544271 397681 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |   |
< 1429544271 485284 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  >\ /<  /<   >\
< 1429544272 978854 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
< 1429544273 101848 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |   |
< 1429544273 155445 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  >\ /^\  |\ /^\
< 1429544274 976976 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
< 1429544275 112659 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   ¦   |   |
< 1429544275 166085 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |\ ´¸¨  >\ /|
< 1429544276 978818 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
< 1429544278 981113 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
< 1429544279 119792 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |   |
< 1429544279 183516 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  >\ /<   |\  >\
< 1429544280 978471 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
< 1429544282 977754 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
< 1429544283 114928 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |   |
< 1429544283 207813 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |\ /^\  |\ /´\
< 1429544305 831345 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
< 1429544357 200572 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i break it?
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< 1429544674 52702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are just limits.
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< 1429545135 532839 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...dc shouldn't segfault on [[]]ax, should it? What's happening there?
< 1429545202 748285 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh huh, it just pushes '[' as a string and then tries to execute that?
< 1429546043 235463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess it's not very robust w.r.t. unbalanced brackets.
< 1429546058 871570 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AFTL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42659&oldid=42658 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+23) 10/* Commands */ Changed inherant looping
< 1429546072 568494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you're not "supposed" to be able to enter such.
< 1429546436 474259 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429546442 75711 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1429546464 598123 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good way to represent negative numbers in brainfuck-like languages without having to special case.
< 1429546502 343612 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed multiplication works most of the time because of wrapping
< 1429546708 578063 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time?
< 1429546791 271341 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1429547413 710127 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: beautiful
< 1429547432 846268 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera's program, not mine
< 1429547434 846554 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :although..
< 1429547438 846548 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc -e '['
< 1429547439 784706 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault
< 1429547450 846323 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even this segfaults, it seems..
< 1429547452 956289 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dc
< 1429547453 698927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1429547468 847025 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc --help
< 1429547469 582882 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: dc [OPTION] [file ...] \   -e, --expression=EXPR    evaluate expression \   -f, --file=FILE          evaluate contents of file \   -h, --help               display this help and exit \   -V, --version            output version information and exit \  \ Email bug reports to:  bug-dc@gnu.org .
< 1429547488 367229 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought GNU software was generally a bit more stable than that
< 1429547490 320938 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn dc is short for "dump core". (try it out yourself: dc -e '[')
< 1429547493 399555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'dc': dc is short for "dump core". (try it out yourself: dc -e '[')
< 1429547502 449904 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1429547744 735301 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw PRIVMSG #esoteric :but something more easy to represent comparision operators with
< 1429547791 740916 :Somelauw!~Somelauw@unaffiliated/somelauw PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I think it works all the time for plus, minus, times and divide as long as the implementation is wrapped
< 1429548101 449286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I knew that about -e '[', but had totally forgotten.
< 1429548185 550183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dc -e ']'  # at least this has an error message
< 1429548186 116571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: ']' (0135) unimplemented
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< 1429549289 317437 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Twocode14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42660&oldid=40158 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+628) 10/* Examples/Minsky machine */ new section
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< 1429549502 711231 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I dredged up an old bit of code for an RNG using Racket generators. Anyone wanna sanity check my math? http://pasterack.org/pastes/80800
< 1429549777 670516 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Onecode (GermanyBoy)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42661&oldid=41662 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+45) 10/* Grammar */
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< 1429549861 748483 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1429550544 481933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If dc has something wrong then you can post a bug report to GNU
< 1429550552 970764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also try to fix it by yourself)
< 1429550588 487229 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AFTL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42662&oldid=42659 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (-5) 10/* Hello, world! program */ Fixed Hello, world! program
< 1429550719 672683 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.69.37 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429550781 775192 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AFTL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42663&oldid=42662 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+42) 10/* Sample programs */ Added Cat program
< 1429550941 50670 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc -e "1 2 3 + + p"
< 1429550945 642422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: dc: '"' (042) unimplemented \ 6 \ '"' (042) unimplemented
< 1429550949 280688 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dc -e "1 2 3 + + p"
< 1429550950 128337 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6
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< 1429553288 731208 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fortob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42664&oldid=40525 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+276) 10/* Method reference */
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< 1429554271 822055 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
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< 1429557440 846954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to tell Mozilla and other software to set a proxy for only secure connections? Is there such a proxy that decrypts everything so that it doesn't cause problems with the user client causing errors with it?
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< 1429557691 153419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's generally called a man-in-the-middle attack.
< 1429557882 27570 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429557959 496106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are files which don't need to be secure but the server insists on entering secure mode, yet it does not even do it using a compatible cipher and then it is error.
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< 1429558373 762708 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
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< 1429559011 495495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think normally if you tell a browser to use a proxy for the 'https' scheme, it will just use the 'CONNECT' request method, so you would need to use some sort of transparent proxy setup, and then there's the certificate problem. If you just want to provide http:// endpoints for something behind a https-only server, and don't need it to be "invisible" to the users, you could just set up a ...
< 1429559017 497197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... regular web server as a "reverse proxy", so that when the user asks for http://proxy/foo, it will fetch the resource from https://server/foo.
< 1429559070 559884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some servers use the wrong certificate so I want to ignore the certificate
< 1429559146 163383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used CONNECT proxy before, not only for HTTP and HTTPS but also to connect to MUD servers that temporarily could not be reached from my computer for some reason
< 1429559171 655884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if Wikipedia has a userbox for linking to FOAF data?
< 1429559283 868834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429559567 143344 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That is correct.
< 1429559581 453792 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's the only way for https to work *sensibly* through a proxy.
< 1429559611 871331 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other such schemes (where the proxy injects! itself! via firewall funkiness) obviously breaks horribly on https unless the browsers are set to trust the proxy's cert.
< 1429559676 58193 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP CONNECT is kinda neat as a way of tunneling a TCP connection.
< 1429559683 719274 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*If* obviously quite limited in scope.
< 1429560018 270059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do find HTTP CONNECT useful for use as a general-purpose proxy sometimes, since there are some such proxies
< 1429560035 970187 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429560055 222240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although what I was asking, this doesn't do.
< 1429560139 84858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly don't need it to be invisible to users but do need it to be capable of working with the same domain name (although there is a way around that too of course, such as by using hosts files)
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< 1429560588 186834 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Harp14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42665&oldid=42555 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+8) 10clarify
< 1429560675 225992 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AFTL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42666&oldid=42663 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+1874) 10Added Python Interpreter
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< 1429561357 311655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had idea making the decentralized poll survey system out of RDF
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< 1429562514 950043 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many integers are the sum of two square roots of integers, neither of which is a perfect square?
< 1429562580 618624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh tricky
< 1429562669 697030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hunch is "none"
< 1429562697 828915 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429562714 119930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except 0 if you squint the right way
< 1429562721 688553 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1429562757 90508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i vaguely recall some relevant theorem
< 1429562760 57582 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee, when is sqrt(a) + sqrt(b) an integer? Is there a Diophantine equation for that?
< 1429562793 573997 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an integer whenever a + b + 2 sqrt(ab) is a perfect square.
< 1429562796 467424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sqrt(a) + sqrt(b))^2 is then also an integer
< 1429562835 625922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means 4ab must be a perfect square, minimum
< 1429562866 23182 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means ab is as well
< 1429562872 771362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1429562921 132139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means every factor of a or b which _isn't_ a square must be equal
< 1429562935 324633 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1429562961 850048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a = n*x^2, b = n*y^2
< 1429562980 505189 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's (x^2 + y^2) sqrt(n), aye?
< 1429562988 20603 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1429562989 135408 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is never an integer when n isn't a perfect square, aye?
< 1429562995 574674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, (x + y) sqrt(n)
< 1429563008 127798 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you skipped a step
< 1429563008 642216 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1429563021 366172 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the conclusion is right, aye?
< 1429563023 504724 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the sqrt n part is what matters
< 1429563026 170185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like.
< 1429563029 435056 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this Turing machine does not halt.
< 1429563285 771182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the "except 0" looks right too.
< 1429563347 528922 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it being the sum of all pairs of square roots of the same number
< 1429563457 106881 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt matter to the proof above whether we allow one of the roots to be negative, except in that case, yes?
< 1429563593 184445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1429563597 786258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i meant
< 1429563694 629370 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429563863 740831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42667&oldid=42579 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+4) 10/* Sample programs */ links and section level
< 1429563903 93818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds it curious that the page takes ages to load _after_ HackEgo has announced it
< 1429563934 139744 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1429563957 50160 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1429563961 862326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which happened instantly this time
< 1429564302 685095 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42668&oldid=42613 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-7) 10formatting, link
< 1429564584 320428 :aretecode!~aretecode@50.23.131.206-static.reverse.softlayer.com QUIT :Quit: Toodaloo
< 1429564776 874570 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Element14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42669&oldid=42610 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+40) 10section levels, links
< 1429565050 605189 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1429565491 909815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Basilisk14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42670&oldid=42626 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+61) 10intro does not need header, formatting, typo
< 1429565679 330199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[0742014]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42671&oldid=42657 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-27) 10intro format, section levels
< 1429565846 550392 :_augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net NICK :augur
< 1429565987 355496 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AFTL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42672&oldid=42666 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-21) 10intro format, section levels, link
< 1429566970 832652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe it has to swap out MediaWiki in order for HackEgo to speak.
< 1429566984 621980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1429566988 341722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Alternatively, all 104 people on channel instantly try to visit whenever HackEgo says something.
< 1429566996 70765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1429567032 665519 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :104 people, that's ... something
< 1429567047 354971 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429567063 321714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonnuily
< 1429567127 374969 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goerjanight!
< 1429567308 479238 :nszceta!~nszceta@95.211.152.2 QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com
< 1429567820 408679 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4c79c.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1429569200 834181 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1429569206 40417 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you done with working today?
< 1429569464 830099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek i disagree with spj but i don't have ghc HEAD to test with...
< 1429569682 759080 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, I'm doing this. I'm making this happen.
< 1429569693 970247 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting the Lepwick project again.
< 1429569791 313059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of project is that?
< 1429569998 982995 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, what kind of project *isn't* it?
< 1429570016 163605 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is for it to be a legal, political, and economic simulation.
< 1429570024 315325 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also a fun game.
< 1429570114 407661 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :all by yourself?
< 1429570248 114007 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ideally other people will also participate eventually.
< 1429570353 439413 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not very hard to build ghc you know :P
< 1429570405 66859 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1429570538 676314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on windows?
< 1429570555 405355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, virtualbox?
< 1429570570 739418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, you may have a point there. How can you suffer Windows?
< 1429570583 971531 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely the point of reference there is the difficulty of building anything at all on windows
< 1429570599 920095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i should ban you all.
< 1429570613 848971 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a big time-saver
< 1429570626 591056 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :for everyone involved
< 1429570667 773274 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen Windows referred to as 'the securest one'
< 1429570669 727656 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1429570696 628226 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.blackhat.com/docs/eu-14/materials/eu-14-Selvi-Bypassing-HTTP-Strict-Transport-Security.pdf
< 1429570712 68582 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows: • NTPv3	but…	
< 1429570712 122101 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :• The	securest	one.	
< 1429570712 122182 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :• Synchronization	each	7	days.	
< 1429570721 756210 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :• Doesn’t	accept	more	than	15	hours	increment/
< 1429570721 830188 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :decrement.	
< 1429570753 423543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why all those tabs?
< 1429570769 284543 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because copy/pasted from pdf slides
< 1429570778 700422 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1429570888 90418 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, what should the server's hostname be?
< 1429571086 668186 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh I need a faster PC so that I can build ghc in less than 20 minutes...
< 1429571163 760313 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need a prescient one so that it builds ghc right before you need it to
< 1429571233 543507 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just set ascript to build the newest one when it is released
< 1429571258 849619 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429571266 348743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: that's not so helpful for following a git repo.
< 1429571277 172847 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello
< 1429571277 434630 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: PEDIATRIC CHICKEN
< 1429571289 894471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Hi there!
< 1429571315 315464 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Munchkin strategy: hide the die so the damned thief can't steal your stuff
< 1429571374 772733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Eddie the ship's computer. ("Hi there!" said the ship's computer.)
< 1429572179 442980 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I ended up tying a game of Munchkin
< 1429572283 344081 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what die?
< 1429572345 37091 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fwiw, current head still accepts T.hs and i is not bottom, and of type Proxy (Eq Int => Bool)
< 1429572384 366940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, Eddie the Shipboard Computer
< 1429572388 365835 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it took 28 minutes to build, and that's without docs and only the dyn way.
< 1429572401 738631 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, it's a D6, used for running away and stealing thingw
< 1429572622 794128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what about http://oerjan.nvg.org/haskell/TypeableExploits/ConTyp1.hs which is my attempt at what spj is _really_ trying to say, i think
< 1429572659 154578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the fact i'm not actually _using_ Typeable in the posted file makes the literal interpretation nonsense)
< 1429572692 802317 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how did you get the * and * -> * in the proxy signatures?
< 1429572700 282102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure whether it will work or not, it fails in 7.8 but Typeable works completely differently
< 1429572707 906998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm?
< 1429572739 91399 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: g :: Proxy (* -> *) ((->) (Eq Int)) <-- there
< 1429572766 549116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh -fprint-explicit-kinds
< 1429572806 292850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429572813 65781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, first it works in 7.10.1: j prints Eq Int -> Bool
< 1429572829 718419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_not_ => ?
< 1429572840 502115 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it works in head as well.
< 1429572845 782823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curious stuff.
< 1429572873 473838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. that's going through the show instance of typerep
< 1429572885 867816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, obviously they don't have any => handling for typerep
< 1429572898 525678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it uses the default ->
< 1429572902 178179 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's expected.
< 1429572911 715747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then i can post that example.
< 1429573148 418322 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t g
< 1429573148 521204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :g :: Proxy ((->) (Eq Int))
< 1429573149 747766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:1: parse error on input ‘:’
< 1429573152 539302 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops :)
< 1429573195 982257 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or Proxy (* -> *) ((->) (Eq Int)) with explicit kinds)
< 1429573216 160866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn do i call you int-e or Bertram :P
< 1429573228 683445 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: int-e, I have a trac account too
< 1429573290 686569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get confused by everyone calling each other by real name in trac whether or not their nicks match
< 1429573328 762893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> j
< 1429573328 844783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eq Int -> Bool
< 1429573330 100263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : j
< 1429573332 858805 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I don't care much.
< 1429573334 131256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that correct?
< 1429573343 140583 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1429573350 17303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t g
< 1429573351 21592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FromExpr a => a
< 1429573369 548159 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t j
< 1429573370 513239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr
< 1429573377 953920 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused.
< 1429573407 314262 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Figured it out :)
< 1429573605 181334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :posted
< 1429573665 5436 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci> i g
< 1429573665 124204 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(->) (Eq Int)
< 1429573711 503435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ordinary typeREp should work for that
< 1429573715 714180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*e
< 1429573754 762475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, typeRep (h g) does fail... I guess that was the whole point.
< 1429573767 704934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1429573939 335347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i suppose you don't need all the other variables
< 1429573955 472994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i (Proxy :: Proxy (Eq Int => Bool))  ought to work
< 1429573974 997556 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci> i (Proxy :: Proxy (Eq Int => Int))
< 1429573975 51255 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eq Int -> Int
< 1429573995 425508 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yeah.
< 1429574240 851243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's all this
< 1429574287 885783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the same sort of thing as what I was doing to get a TypeRep for Ord Int?
< 1429574301 317597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just pointing out that you still can get hold of Typeable (Eq Int => Int) etc. in HEAD, you just need to slightly circumvent the check
< 1429574334 325939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well it started as that, anyway
< 1429574375 369313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they put the ability to do Typeable (Ord Int) back, but tried to disallow =>
< 1429574444 505241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> is kind of strange.
< 1429574459 248354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it boils down to a type restricted version of typeRep that explicitly _avoids_ using the evidence for the whole type.
< 1429574485 57575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that's the same sort of thing.
< 1429574510 616393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the non-obvious fact that (k => t) is of the form (a b), I guess.
< 1429574520 11661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1429574540 646731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should sort of change that, if they really want it to count as impredicative
< 1429574552 718782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling it impredicative is kind of strange too.
< 1429574565 703827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But so is instantiating a type variable to (k => t).
< 1429574567 787538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well spj seems to like doing that
< 1429574591 438999 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at shachaf 
< 1429574712 368938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Who are you, anyway?
< 1429574725 829973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in all these channels and you have all these nicks.
< 1429574752 366678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly variable is secretly Lilax
< 1429574764 259770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh hth
< 1429574775 145311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
< 1429574789 829789 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ACME is a protocol for automating the management of domain-validation certificates, based on a simple JSON-over-HTTPS interface. This repository contains the specification for ACME.
< 1429574789 904809 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1429574797 971328 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words more informative than 'API'? What is this madness?
< 1429577243 424797 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new way to spell "and" is amp 
< 1429577278 154452 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1429577361 537095 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :&and;
< 1429577557 855607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite
< 1429578884 957741 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1429579214 910233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :While watching a show recorded on a VHS tape I noticed that the tape counter's hours and minutes showed the same time as the time I was watching it.
< 1429580059 732446 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bound to happen if you start watching at noon. (and if it's the minutes and seconds that match...well it's pretty much guaranteed to happen once per movie)
< 1429580180 901882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I didn't start watching at noon (and the tape wasn't started from the beginning either; it was from where it left off)
< 1429580513 496483 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429581809 98140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I invented RDF-survey specification; it is pretty simple and here is the full specification:
< 1429581811 537178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single URI is defined for this purpose: <gopher://zzo38computer.org/1ns/foaf:survey> This will be the predicate of a triple where the subject is the person/agent answering the survey and the object is the node identifying the answer set; the rdf:type of that node is the URI identifying the survey itself.
< 1429581974 271783 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429582006 139632 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok so like what programs other than minghc from the haskell site can run haskell or is that all
< 1429582150 264948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other Haskell implementations but most programs are meant for GHC
< 1429582189 295748 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc GHC is considered the defqcto standard
< 1429582272 177246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If no extensions are used then you can use a different implementation but the GHC extensions are very useful to have.
< 1429582354 250226 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah ok
< 1429582442 678956 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what would be nice? A version of CPP that expands macros but not includes.
< 1429582531 784467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly with AWK you can make it to comment out all of the includes and then you can make it like that
< 1429583089 61225 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :/^#include/{$0="//"$0}1
< 1429583118 684848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one way
< 1429583191 533911 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool
< 1429583220 274899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWK is very good for that kind of stuff.
< 1429583249 527448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out, AWK is also good for implementing Deadfish.
< 1429583753 563589 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone say deadfish!
< 1429583775 422519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes....?? Isn't it?
< 1429583809 704470 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1429583814 509411 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good language
< 1429583880 279183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can implement Deadfish with everything including C and AWK and dc and assembly language and TeX and so on but not Deadfish (but it is possible to implement Deadfish while sitting in the Deadfish cafe)
< 1429583927 556209 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1429584001 349051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even on Nintendo Family Computer, with more than 16-bits.
< 1429584031 419904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to program a Famicom?
< 1429584291 42702 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of it 
< 1429584294 607014 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no
< 1429584331 505858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know how
< 1429584645 564377 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429584890 687275 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool!
< 1429585365 872424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also worked a lot making the Z-machine implementation in Famicom. It is faster than Commodore 64 (almost twice as much)
< 1429585847 64657 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
< 1429585901 442702 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :executes
< 1429585907 24430 :executes!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
< 1429586245 545314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not quite decided how to implement vocabulary lookup though
< 1429586282 505223 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nick changes?
< 1429586293 255636 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk either
< 1429586303 105695 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking into famicom
< 1429587258 494160 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nubkvnghcpbkbape JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429587819 128672 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1429589309 217380 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1429589887 545979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is I made up most of the Famicom Z-machine implementation   http://sprunge.us/PjUc   http://sprunge.us/YLZE   Do you think is OK, do you have other complain about it please?
< 1429590596 998692 :jsilver!~jsilver@174-29-58-217.hlrn.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1429590642 623775 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: 'Tis time to say goodbye, as I bid y'all farewell, my time for sleep is nigh, and bed seems oh so swell
< 1429590663 477001 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: 1 found in /dev/zero
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< 1429594260 667410 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.172.120 QUIT :Changing host
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< 1429600710 263534 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1429601739 564142 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1429602266 465927 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.90.157 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1429603028 240469 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> it
< 1429603029 386379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Not in scope: ‘it’
< 1429603029 492555 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1429603029 546255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ‘id’ (imported from Data.Function),
< 1429603339 381625 :Insipid!~Owner@cpe-72-224-137-157.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429603575 989493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> lеt it be 5 іn it
< 1429603577 469288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5
< 1429603987 255491 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci has it as "last result"
< 1429605010 489738 :Insipid!~Owner@cpe-72-224-137-157.nycap.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric
< 1429605835 590077 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429606112 348741 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429606129 674082 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429606668 470552 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[0742014]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42673&oldid=42671 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+4962) 10/* Sample programs */ Added Hello, world! program (copied from Chicken's page)
< 1429606762 724691 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously why ^
< 1429607177 824018 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1429607202 682589 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Chicken/blaze it/?
< 1429607828 833880 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1429608470 174856 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello
< 1429608855 844785 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1429609301 825245 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hi
< 1429609325 695184 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo Taneb 
< 1429609329 208195 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :we missed you
< 1429609346 137698 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION missed Taneb
< 1429609352 691449 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1429609411 628396 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is it true that to remain binary compatible with user-space context/coroutine switching, ABIs cannot designate new registers in future CPUs as callee-saved, but must keep them as either scratch registers or registers you must restore at all boundaries?
< 1429609411 834364 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's why i learned to get hugged without feeling strange. but the same idea
< 1429609456 248992 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.90.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's beautiful, fungot.
< 1429609456 557499 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: i don't plan to enter it, the full range of 256 values per channel is lessened understand why cons should have two loop variables, then... wait... uhm...
< 1429609515 428247 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, we actually support 16 bit depth here, and in fact some of our channels have over 9000 nicks joined
< 1429609515 736730 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: laml is two things in te second statement of a program written in scheme
< 1429609539 982887 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1429609615 189154 :Insipid!~Owner@cpe-72-224-137-157.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429609629 618599 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's somehow weird that movies claim the world has gone bad 
< 1429609639 139003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it was better 500 years ago
< 1429609666 875975 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :500 years ago serfs could be serfs, lords can be lords, and everyone knew what there place was
< 1429609688 99687 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays it's all mixed up
< 1429609706 294902 :Insipid!~Owner@cpe-72-224-137-157.nycap.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric
< 1429610041 301610 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do yout think about the mix-up?å
< 1429610041 416899 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Tanebs could be Tanebs
< 1429610041 865783 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: kuribas, because syntax-rules doesn't integrate scheme the pattern language can include, e.g. ( blah :some 3 ( something) is instance local ( afaik)
< 1429610045 468740 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :without å, even
< 1429610096 246204 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(blah :some 3 (something) is instance local (afaik)), got it
< 1429610377 971340 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Would you like the domain "fungot.sucks"?
< 1429610378 215311 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the swingle singers... which may be what you're looking for? :) that just makes you look like that.
< 1429611029 441419 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1429611144 721789 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I seem to have ended up with a tendency to write emoticons with multiple mouths
< 1429611147 878773 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: :)))
< 1429611456 960018 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[0742014]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42674&oldid=42673 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+1) 10/* Commands */ Changed 'Chicken' name name
< 1429611504 562038 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That's just your double-chin acting out.
< 1429611515 250533 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1429611537 794937 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you a fitness trainer?
< 1429611538 150541 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: of course. thanks. it'll need a few temp cells need to be specified in a certain time of year" is the name
< 1429611608 811831 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Would you train me?
< 1429611609 23975 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: nobel watchers say neither mr bush nor mr blair has much chance of that before...
< 1429611669 319038 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to beat 15 pull-ups
< 1429611673 798121 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm stuck at around 12 :(
< 1429612519 785517 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429613554 344512 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, that's about 11 more than I can do!
< 1429613564 814768 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, boily 
< 1429613574 844963 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
< 1429613585 16518 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matanebin!
< 1429613620 316755 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How're you doing?
< 1429613678 123845 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking it quieter and slower after a week of social life.
< 1429613682 612954 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1429613686 426443 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it on your end?
< 1429613708 882701 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, last night I tried out a board game I bought recently
< 1429613711 441508 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it pretty fun
< 1429613716 439811 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Avalon is the game)
< 1429613727 461063 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's essentially The Resistance in Camelot)
< 1429613760 588020 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still boardgaming :D
< 1429613763 227895 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: then you should start training ;)
< 1429613894 253871 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: recently I played a few new games. I think I'm a deckbuilding addict.
< 1429613929 570518 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG?
< 1429613942 4085 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've challenged myself to see how good I can get at Magic without paying any money
< 1429613984 597530 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we play Magic every lunch at work. I have Dominion, Tanto Cuore, Mage Wars, Space Realms, Quarriors...
< 1429614004 311037 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to buy Race for the Galaxy soon, but then there's Roll for the Galaxy too.
< 1429614028 744147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: whoa, jamming
< 1429614189 325675 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, ???
< 1429614209 330834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind, i need to go to sleep
< 1429614233 109059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no time to jam
< 1429614339 343245 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the real secret is actually that it's not really hard nor does it take up a lot of time.
< 1429614357 840651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to devote like 15min of your day to fitness and that's really all there is.
< 1429614396 890126 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :People seem to think you need to train for hours to get 30 push-ups, 15 pull-ups and the like which is utterly wrong.
< 1429614424 502656 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sit in front of my computer all day except like 15min where I do some body weight exercises.
< 1429614560 337057 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, my problem is more space than time
< 1429614579 979622 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Int
< 1429614581 383309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9223372036854775807
< 1429614591 683608 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^31
< 1429614593 2593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2147483648
< 1429614849 448675 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try not falling asleep in the shower.
< 1429614864 193481 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: OTOLITHIC CHICKEN
< 1429614908 778756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429614931 828218 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.90.157 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1429614989 420943 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1429615114 578222 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429615122 564291 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: go outside :p?
< 1429615128 302320 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never!
< 1429615136 439957 :Lymia!~lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Changing host
< 1429615136 493616 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429615140 664677 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that doesn't really help with my pull-ups
< 1429615166 977375 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no trees around? No bars? 
< 1429615264 380576 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the trees around lack low branches
< 1429615318 5534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a ladder hth
< 1429615360 2066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds himself literally laughing maniackally
< 1429615372 275599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means it must be a very good idea.
< 1429615393 995039 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, and I can't install a bar because this is rented accomodation and I'll only be here for another 2 months or so
< 1429615423 727296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make it a minibar hth
< 1429615485 500694 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too tall for a minibar
< 1429615589 460982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but too short for the branches
< 1429615608 404163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution, put the minibar under the branches and stand on it.
< 1429615657 626874 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thinking
< 1429615929 735020 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I don't have a minibar
< 1429615942 424244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses
< 1429616093 994190 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you live in a city there's gotta be something you can do pull ups on
< 1429616100 502233 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's a street sign :D
< 1429616232 776567 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I'm damn near the edge of the city
< 1429616255 656299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they usually have a sign at the edge of a city hth
< 1429616278 594304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess it might be crowded.
< 1429617293 648333 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1429617857 233761 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upUUWuJhvXk hth
< 1429618107 874788 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1429619620 553281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1429619654 641740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fternooniott
< 1429619868 602650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has gone too far
< 1429619884 457042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we am play gods?
< 1429619926 574730 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.84.156 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429620305 30109 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to a playground
< 1429620312 151158 :orin!~oren@209.105.212.59 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the monkey bars
< 1429620605 216247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pull-ups are impossible
< 1429620612 28368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody has ever done one, ever
< 1429620629 312377 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, I do not know any playground with monkey bars around here
< 1429620940 739714 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right.
< 1429621145 625306 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Λιμπ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42675&oldid=11870 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+14) 10
< 1429621436 692754 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429621510 732473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AFTL14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42676&oldid=42672 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+14) 10/* Hello, world! program */
< 1429622369 353301 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Powered by SumoMe
< 1429622371 155547 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 Reasons Why You Don’t Get Laid"
< 1429622380 668876 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1429622394 217324 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't I even read news know without these fucking pop-ups
< 1429622404 809529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, now i'm wondering if sumo wrestler get laid (probably)
< 1429622405 695003 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that aren't really the good old pop-ups from the old days
< 1429622406 809829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s
< 1429622416 425234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*news now
< 1429622431 971183 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop-ups used to be windows.
< 1429622450 256467 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they are "static divs" injected into pages with javascript
< 1429622481 189369 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I wonder what those 18 reasons could be...
< 1429622501 9489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only think of one. And that one is enough so I don't even need the other 17 reasons.
< 1429622504 714268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. you spend all your time browsing web
< 1429622541 93247 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. not quite
< 1429622551 365648 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess that could be one of those 17 other reasons.
< 1429622573 958897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. you're butt ugly
< 1429622587 66832 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah :(
< 1429622589 800043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. drooling
< 1429622606 970564 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.) I'm ugly as fuck.
< 1429622625 118012 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not fat, but ugly.
< 1429622636 329221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did that fetish society have any people wearing paper bags on their heads
< 1429622639 618868 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.84.156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All humans are ugly as fuck.
< 1429622647 68042 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I do not believe so
< 1429622651 933359 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I did not stay very long
< 1429622657 529265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there's no hope then
< 1429622676 605364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, blind people exist
< 1429622678 211879 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would a paper bag over your head do?
< 1429622682 294289 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still have an ugly body.
< 1429622683 321927 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know exactly why I don't get laid
< 1429622690 466315 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides having an ugly face/head.
< 1429622701 132751 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you ugly too?
< 1429622701 186182 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: how are you doing there? :p)
< 1429622711 738398 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it mocking me??!?!?!?
< 1429622732 728726 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: give me test data because it's hard to write a program without it
< 1429622732 940917 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: may i add that? since only " the result(s) of the objections about plt-specificness we need to know ( my " behaviors" you mentioned
< 1429622765 437750 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you're butt ugly too?
< 1429622770 576964 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, nah, I'm asexual
< 1429622781 683472 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my reason number 2.
< 1429622800 633184 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you on AVEN?
< 1429622806 35437 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe so
< 1429622873 637226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay an asexual pairing
< 1429623187 778487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have no idea if I'm butt ugly. I just assume so.
< 1429623199 858393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something that you can't really judge by yourself I think.
< 1429623269 906184 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429623292 735870 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging by the reflection in the mirror and other people I'm at least ugly but not necessarily butt ugly.
< 1429623625 104211 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Theres 402 - Payment required.
< 1429624025 167408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it sees much use.
< 1429624059 282673 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that's just the temporary name assigned to the reserved code in earlier versions of the standard. the more correct localized message these days is 402 Virgin sacrifice required
< 1429624122 524152 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what?
< 1429624126 854206 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Apple uses it apparentely
< 1429624127 66397 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: anywhere but sweden, apparently. i won't actually pay 50 cents for that :p
< 1429624131 443411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1429624136 432154 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Apple uses it apparentely.
< 1429624147 540892 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: BUT PAYMENT IS REQUIRED! I WANT THOSE 50 CENTS!
< 1429624158 653578 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1429624169 984909 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should've been directed to fungot
< 1429624170 408554 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/ language-malbolge-995.html the last comment in http://esolangs.org/ wiki/ quadtree work, would just be better to have names like that
< 1429624201 23191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the "418 I'm a teapot" response.
< 1429624226 547417 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the HTTP/1.1 rfc specifically says "reserved for future use" "http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html#sec10.4.3"
< 1429624251 764883 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think HTTP/2 defines the meaning correctly and calls it its proper name
< 1429624300 210029 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only that's one of those w3c standards that are always under development and never released, like HTTP 5 or the new CSS standard
< 1429624311 391428 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1429624314 413814 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5?
< 1429624316 981145 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/HTTP 5/HTML 5/
< 1429624317 466447 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1429624320 563221 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't that been released?
< 1429624339 323852 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1429624341 61466 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems it has
< 1429624351 698042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a "living standard".
< 1429624365 756026 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :28. Oct 2014
< 1429624367 814438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the version by WHATWG, anyway.
< 1429624370 725848 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I'm not relaly following this junk
< 1429624405 69770 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the question is, which response header gives the bounds for the age of the virgin?
< 1429624418 551113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the impression that W3C released some particular fixed version, while the WHATWG standard is just... living.
< 1429624472 295713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the W3C standard doesn't exactly match WHATWG.)
< 1429624525 314208 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably WWW-Authenticate with some approperiate challenge typ
< 1429624717 196724 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 TOPIC #esoteric : Stenosteganography | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/
< 1429625088 464048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatwg's standard is just "HTML" with no version
< 1429625093 736088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's politics
< 1429625196 943347 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1429626086 605316 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429626482 999452 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh, "claptrap" is what the hostname should be.
< 1429626606 582964 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, why does this function have so many arguments?\
< 1429626606 902171 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i came across srfi-83 last night, couldn't get to sleep now. goodnight everybody!! i've flown in leslie gore and two dozen
< 1429626617 549851 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night, fungot
< 1429626617 762343 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sarahbot is very much in the recursive call must be optimized. just a non-american living in american indeed.
< 1429626751 16251 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: wait, what's *your* opinion of what the hostname should be?
< 1429626751 228163 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no clue really.) the name with a
< 1429626775 772107 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "claptrap" is, in fact, a "name with 'a'".
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< 1429654753 732277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your fame grows every day hth
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< 1429656154 466100 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like Object Oriented Thue.
< 1429656168 218270 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely like the idea. I'm not sure about the implementation.
< 1429656187 778638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yay
< 1429656233 199096 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not clear from the specification (excluding the Libraries section) that it's actually possible to create objects.
< 1429656265 608894 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, there's the part where it says you can do that.
< 1429656399 562735 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think I do like it.
< 1429656624 238527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the fix was one of the things i suggested in comment 92, too.
< 1429656738 403411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: now i'm vaguely wondering if any of this will break your constraints package
< 1429656748 721145 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut
< 1429656762 684758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you been following #9858?
< 1429656763 501728 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking the constraints package would kinda suck
< 1429656765 531166 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1429656784 579340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: a => b will no longer unify with t u
< 1429656793 308668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the last change
< 1429656807 210064 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use a => b explicitly as a type anywhere
< 1429656811 108372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1429656896 453935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A previous change was to make Constraints un-Typeable.
< 1429656901 347789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But not very well.)
< 1429656935 215436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i suspect you'd be happy if they implement what spj mentions in https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858#comment:95
< 1429657015 605650 :staffehn_!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1429657018 593525 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1429657023 301406 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it
< 1429657030 143739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the previous comment is something i know you've complained about before
< 1429657031 773612 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :been too busy playing with fractions to notice =)
< 1429657047 418266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractions?
< 1429657063 563025 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on exact real arithmetic using nested linear fractional transformations and continued fractions
< 1429657066 80507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: see #haskell-lens hth
< 1429657091 88859 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really its all just really fancy lazyish fractions
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< 1429657142 759642 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi = 3, no 3 + 1/7 no 3 + 1/(7 + 1/15), no...
< 1429657186 294326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely thought exact arithmetic with continued fractions was something that had already been done in haskell
< 1429657194 34578 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has
< 1429657196 424669 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is fancier
< 1429657201 738619 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not using continued fractions per se
< 1429657208 730282 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather "nested linear fractional transformations"
< 1429657210 527098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1429657214 232114 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has _also_ been done in haskell
< 1429657217 899537 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :back pre 98 even
< 1429657227 11915 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, SPJ has a paper on continued fractions.
< 1429657230 668284 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in 84
< 1429657243 457684 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm working on is extending the scope of what we can compute with exactly
< 1429657254 164401 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :by extending the work here to so called "Hurwitz numbers"
< 1429657260 785471 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then generalizing the notion of hurwitz numbers
< 1429657263 767723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear fractional transformations, is that like möbius transformations except with integers/rationals
< 1429657263 979708 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :to include pi.
< 1429657267 149862 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1429657275 584294 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) = (ax+b)/(cx+d)
< 1429657278 832678 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer coefficients
< 1429657290 929191 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix representation used instead multiply matrices to compose.
< 1429657302 244583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1429657313 881283 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we represent numbers as potentially infinite sequences of linear fractional transformations
< 1429657349 67759 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :an LFT with all positive (or all negative, they are the same up to scalar multiples) coefficients takes the interval from [0,infinity) to a small interval.
< 1429657351 875065 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :they 'zoom'
< 1429657363 999519 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :composition zooms more
< 1429657405 712380 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can view a continued fraction [a;b,c,d,e...] as the composition of matrices [a 1; 1 0]*[b 1; 1 0]* ....
< 1429657436 207544 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :quadratic irrationals (e.g. sqrt 2) have repeating representations as continued fractions
< 1429657466 239227 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hurwitz numbers" have near-repeating representations. the representations repeat with a polynomial in the number of times you've repeated
< 1429657480 895276 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :2;1,2,1,1,4,1,1,6,1,1,8,1...
< 1429657484 301609 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :is e
< 1429657487 904458 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear pattern
< 1429657498 444513 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :2;(1,2k,1)
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< 1429657534 199456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1429657546 904831 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can write that out the repeating part as a matrix with polynomial coefficients: the product [1 1; 1 0] * [2k 1; 1 0] * [1 1; 1 0]
< 1429657556 118771 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we can convert the prefix to another ft
< 1429657557 680403 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :er lft
< 1429657593 957191 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is [ 2 1; 1 0] * Pi_k^{1..infinity} [1 1; 1 0] * [2k 1; 1 0] * [1 1; 1 0]
< 1429657612 235844 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :which if you truncate it at any point takes the range from [0..infinity) to a window very very close to e.
< 1429657635 552286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this zooming with matrices reminds me of some of my PhD work
< 1429657637 560599 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can use algorithms for adding and multiplying/dividing such numbers, etc.
< 1429657672 444508 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithms for adding/multiplying uses a 3d tensor to merge results from two different sources into one output
< 1429657710 469436 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then finally i can represent a meromorphic function like 'exp x' or 'log x' as a funny infinite tensor chain, where i've got the coefficients as polynomials like the hurwitz case.
< 1429657722 834796 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put all that into one number type and i can compute fast nice reals.
< 1429657746 679914 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hopefully still get things like e/e = 1 to cancel exactly because of a small closed form.
< 1429657789 900834 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can get computations that never step outside of quadratic surds to cancel, but now i want computations that never step outside of hurwitz numbers to cancel.
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< 1429657803 34701 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data SmallReal where { toSmallReal :: Stream Bit -> SmallReal; mid :: cons Zero (repeat One) = cons One (repeat Zero); down :: forall (b :: Bit, x :: Stream Bit, y :: Stream Bit). (toSmallReal x = toSmallReal y) -> (toSmallReal (cons b x) = toSmallReal (cons b y)) }
< 1429657810 740576 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real numbers in the interval [0, 1], in Homotopy Haskell.
< 1429657811 608392 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically looking for 'not-symbolic' but close enough representations where you can compare them nicely.
< 1429657817 31326 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NB: there's no such thing as Homotopy Haskell.)
< 1429657829 282612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so you are keeping finite representations as far as possible
< 1429657836 752499 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1429657844 915703 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than unrolling them into a lazy mess like everyone else
< 1429657847 221630 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i have
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< 1429657907 331184 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :LF = Rat Integer Integer | Hom Integer :* LF | Hurwitz (Hom Poly) | Meromorphic (Bihom Poly) LF
< 1429657912 614283 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :where Hom is a homographic transformation
< 1429657941 255018 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429657958 647035 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Bihom is a bihomographic transformation which is a 3d analogue. or equivalently z(x,y) = (axy+bx+cy+d)/(exy+fx+gy+z)   which can be viewed as z(x) in Z[y]  or z(y) in Z[x]
< 1429658006 818641 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I missed a case
< 1429658017 565934 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :LF = Rat Integer Integer | Hom Integer :* LF | Hurwitz (Hom Poly) | Meromorphic (Bihom Poly) LF | Tensor (Bihom Integer) LF LF
< 1429658021 481527 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the binary case
< 1429658026 585807 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i can't apparently cancel that
< 1429658057 171759 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the finite form simplifies whenever it can
< 1429658104 425750 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :phi = Hurwitz (Hom 1 1 1 0) gives the golden ratio, sqrt2 = Hom 1 1 1 0 :* Hurwitz (Hom 2 1 1 0)
< 1429658122 188807 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language?
< 1429658126 766036 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell
< 1429658137 524065 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1429658148 719989 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry Im just dead
< 1429658184 662230 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways i have algorithms now for 'spigoting' off partial matrices from each of those forms
< 1429658191 571450 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and modifying the remainder
< 1429658225 402244 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ways to construct them from continued fractions, redundant binary, decimal, etc.
< 1429658239 963926 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to read off digits
< 1429658278 116064 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0
< 1429658280 687477 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the only requirement is that every homographic transformation after the first 'contracts' some interval.
< 1429658283 62126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the z(x,y) makes me think vaguely of quaternions
< 1429658310 211914 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Brainfuck used for?
< 1429658327 38049 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hobbies.
< 1429658356 942802 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know but what are its general purposes or is it just a fun language
< 1429658389 393794 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, the sole purpose of Brainfuck is to be interesting.
< 1429658399 718527 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1429658404 837738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: can you differentiate with this too?
< 1429658423 22594 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can treat these as raw numbers for AD
< 1429658435 393531 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can build pade approximants using the same techniques
< 1429658446 620963 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those are used as good forms for differentiation/integration
< 1429658452 33967 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are cool
< 1429658472 44528 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well in general all of you are pretty neat 
< 1429658496 720003 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that one guy >_>
< 1429658507 823277 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got started with pade approximants when jacques carette earwormed me with the idea that they would be the best form for dealing with more or less "automatic integration"
< 1429658519 704633 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that is what all the big boys use in things like Mathematica / Maple, etc.
< 1429658547 626541 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then put it away for a couple years
< 1429658556 589222 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :until now, when i now have more of the groundwork in place
< 1429658571 301593 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please teach at our school, Ill pay you like a dollar 
< 1429658744 839096 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A second
< 1429658820 504967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duodecim
< 1429658821 158309 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the hell did I decide I wanted to go into industry instead of academia...
< 1429659014 861002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably involved money
< 1429659477 340525 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you want to teach tswett
< 1429659483 376352 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also gnight
< 1429659488 827099 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night, Decim.
< 1429659497 997259 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm not really interested in teaching professionally.
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< 1429659599 713221 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in research.
< 1429659680 222451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily
< 1429660133 483413 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell御rjan!
< 1429661167 415681 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there teaching in research?
< 1429661182 404807 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi boily
< 1429661183 175310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi boily. Hoily.
< 1429661197 873896 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolsner. perhaps.
< 1429661249 925878 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, I'm somewhat happy to see more haskell luminaries in here
< 1429661308 537853 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is edwardk's albedo?
< 1429661309 1739 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oops no i'm wrong. gah i don't have a problem with loose adaptations, if they're pretty enough.
< 1429661327 963833 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is fungot's then?
< 1429661328 70658 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: my thought at the time
< 1429661335 912321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just think of what you're missing out on in #-lens hth
< 1429661363 787937 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: my thought almost exactly
< 1429661363 932933 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: srfi 44 has been done. in fact you could do it
< 1429661374 794682 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty pale, so i'd assume my albedo would be quite high
< 1429661379 846946 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's an #esoteric-lens?
< 1429661404 324518 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it may be called otherwise, but I think there is
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< 1429663153 48621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: this is ridiculous hth
< 1429663165 878954 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :D
< 1429663467 122898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure Taneb's TC proof would belong there.
< 1429663834 782086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1429663870 397434 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes.
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< 1429664118 353555 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren.
< 1429664354 976770 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1429671464 360380 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Paul2520 5*  10New user account
< 1429671612 261885 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ woot
< 1429672438 955612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42678&oldid=41993 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+31) 10/* Numbers */
< 1429672459 569687 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Underload14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42679&oldid=42678 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+1) 10/* Numbers */
< 1429672495 740968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Underload/Numbers14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42680 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+2518) 10Created page with " 0 !()  1 (empty)!  2 :*  3 ::**  4 :*:*  5 ::*:**  6 ::**:*  7 :::**:**  8 :*:*:*  9 ::**::**  10 ::*:**:*  11 :::*:**:**  12 ::**:*:*  13 :::**:*:**  14 :::**:**:*  15 ::*:*..."
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< 1429674481 529187 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish (programming language)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42681&oldid=42650 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+2) 10/* Interpreter */
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< 1429674609 551591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish (programming language)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42684&oldid=42683 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (-2) 10/* See also */
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< 1429675890 408435 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces after >?
< 1429675915 493621 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 7854256753 * 79997
< 1429675916 967400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 628316977469741
< 1429675920 242019 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank
< 1429676077 519110 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do meth
< 1429676084 856516 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math* :/
< 1429676148 56649 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do meth too
< 1429676300 80458 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 16 ;-;
< 1429676324 155590 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to sell me drugs FreeFull
< 1429676364 155372 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1429676414 201803 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You better not, I've got my eye's on you. »_»
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< 1429677465 53083 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mspalist
< 1429677465 748491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: mspalist: not found
< 1429677471 889899 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin
< 1429677473 26858 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ ! \ ? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ ؟ \ ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ \  \  \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addwep \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ as86 \ aseen \ benvenuto \ bf \ bienvenido \ botsnack \ bseen \ buttsnack \ calc \ CaT \ catcat \ cats \ cc \ cdecl \ c++decl \ chroot \ coins \ CoInS \ complain \ complain
< 1429677502 739129 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to believe that there is nothing in ~/bin that comes later alphabetically than c
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< 1429689193 11830 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Goldfish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42685&oldid=40128 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */
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< 1429690674 792757 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
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< 1429690740 989810 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow I am half of those names
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< 1429691404 632773 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last night I may have ordered a new PSU for my desktop
< 1429691411 723833 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also may have ordered it to come gift-wrapped
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< 1429693186 671838 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42695&oldid=42694 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (-13) 10
< 1429693418 855092 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42696&oldid=42695 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+115) 10
< 1429693584 217000 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42697&oldid=42696 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+155) 10
< 1429693593 612476 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1429693640 49816 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much coffee do you drink, fungot?
< 1429693640 358263 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what good is a kaiser roll?! what good is a kaiser roll?! what good is a kaiser roll without a little easier. these use support files. is this my stop?!
< 1429693735 101585 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42698&oldid=42697 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+29) 10
< 1429693893 916417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42700&oldid=42698 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+94) 10
< 1429693964 555699 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429693968 518895 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42701&oldid=42700 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+10) 10
< 1429693991 375883 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429694030 844590 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yes, you should leave the bus now.
< 1429694031 398242 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: the same forcer had in mind :) ttyl i'm going to study medicine, starting in a language than to campaign for a change that would make it easier for people to edit stuff
< 1429694207 84929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42702&oldid=42701 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+73) 10
< 1429694298 316745 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1429694304 449785 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is studying medicine. that scares me
< 1429694305 39634 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if itself requires only one jump. jumping back to _before_ where the interrupt _and_ exception systems would abort to in case of fire, and nothing more than a tenth of the mailing list. either i have a *copy* of... or xp if they want
< 1429694329 938643 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want XP. no question.
< 1429694528 161763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you sure an interrupt handler is enough to deal with a *fire*? 
< 1429694528 479404 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're entitled to your opinion. there are seven bits of a pointer to the memory pages the memory is shared, and the
< 1429694534 338082 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42703&oldid=42702 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+137) 10
< 1429694610 719267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42704&oldid=42703 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+14) 10
< 1429694635 13572 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42705&oldid=42704 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+1) 10
< 1429694637 925465 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Am I  entitled to an opinion?
< 1429694638 31739 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: but that doesn't mean i wouldn't understand it?
< 1429694655 244589 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: No, you can still understand my opinion.
< 1429694655 468339 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: body thetans detected? fnord/ tips/ shared/ fnord
< 1429694708 745826 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429694737 906213 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429694821 840617 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gibberish/JavaScript14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42706&oldid=42705 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+29) 10
< 1429695091 831573 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did fungy become a scientologist?
< 1429695111 360141 :daria!~me@5ED4FCEA.cm-7-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429695126 27773 :daria!~me@5ED4FCEA.cm-7-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Changing host
< 1429695126 81744 :daria!~me@unaffiliated/daria JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429695842 178383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1429695938 204755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429696630 718206 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5*  10moved [[02User:SMA10]] to [[User:$M@]]
< 1429696856 165390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a Scientology bus in Mountain View.
< 1429696858 389884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to take a photo, but only caught the rear end of it.
< 1429696918 313717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's just an "OLOGY" truck now.
< 1429697422 681997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esolang account14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42709 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+33) 10Redirected page to [[User:Esowiki201529A]]
< 1429697465 839257 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esolang account14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42710&oldid=42709 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+5) 10Redirected page to [[User talk:Esowiki201529A]]
< 1429698332 187953 :Insipid!~Owner@cpe-72-224-137-157.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429698627 63944 :Insipid!~Owner@cpe-72-224-137-157.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1429698644 968370 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429699003 904888 :Insipid!~Owner@cpe-72-224-137-157.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429699407 557538 :Insipid!~Owner@cpe-72-224-137-157.nycap.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric
< 1429699698 415832 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429700089 256559 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Gibberish (programming language)14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42711&oldid=42563 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+214) 10/* J command with no command set */ new section
< 1429700402 252391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429700587 776706 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07414]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42712&oldid=42668 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+80) 10added python interpreter (badly optimized)
< 1429700589 242629 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matily
< 1429700679 171411 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AFTL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42713&oldid=42676 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (-1773) 10/* Interpreters */ Moved interpreter to github
< 1429700683 464281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` url bin # Sgeo_
< 1429700684 325421 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin
< 1429700706 142310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07AFTL14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42714&oldid=42713 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+6) 10/* Interpreters */ Renamed Interpreters to 'External resources'
< 1429700783 268212 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jwzoifrgprycgsxk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429700836 20834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/y
< 1429700839 919531 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ELF...H�t$�..>............8.......H��H��u<H���.8........................f�y \ �.�.......�.......��H�� \ H��u��B� \ H)�H����
< 1429700846 825919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`y
< 1429700847 479503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y 
< 1429700857 972069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/z
< 1429700859 294545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`y no
< 1429700863 808389 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ yes "$@" #ë
< 1429700864 153326 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ no \ 
< 1429700879 105765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`z
< 1429700886 959426 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y 
< 1429700895 698598 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yes z
< 1429700896 332488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z \ z 
< 1429700915 128225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these seem a little redundant
< 1429700931 28130 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429700945 156865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm bin/{y,z}
< 1429700948 996838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: # yes
< 1429700971 952135 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429701006 466084 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429701008 265585 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall the last time I even used 'yes'...
< 1429701043 129629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposedly good if you have some command that asks a lot of stupid yes/no questions?
< 1429701066 742281 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes 'eggs on the wall. throw one more egg,' | cat -n
< 1429701072 993545 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` yes 'eggs on the wall. throw one more egg,' | cat -n
< 1429701073 547495 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​     1	eggs on the wall. throw one more egg, \      2	eggs on the wall. throw one more egg, \      3	eggs on the wall. throw one more egg, \      4	eggs on the wall. throw one more egg, \      5	eggs on the wall. throw one more egg, \      6	eggs on the wall. throw one more egg, \      7	eggs on the wall. throw one more egg, \      8	eggs on the
< 1429701103 426056 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429701111 530473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` yes 'eggs on the wall. throw one more egg,' | nl
< 1429701112 223985 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​     1	eggs on the wall. throw one more egg, \      2	eggs on the wall. throw one more egg, \      3	eggs on the wall. throw one more egg, \      4	eggs on the wall. throw one more egg, \      5	eggs on the wall. throw one more egg, \      6	eggs on the wall. throw one more egg, \      7	eggs on the wall. throw one more egg, \      8	eggs on the
< 1429701123 705135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm seem synonymous
< 1429701164 645488 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellö́rjan.
< 1429701205 15836 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fungot there are yesses everywhere...
< 1429701205 330614 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i was just talking to fnord himself talk about esoteric
< 1429701207 190047 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :doboily dyen (too lazy for gucharmap)
< 1429701220 222699 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matint-e!
< 1429701255 592659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`poulet
< 1429701263 345407 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429701268 956183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/poulet
< 1429701269 636906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo "$@"
< 1429701301 7838 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"FREAKED OUT CHICKEN"
< 1429701301 61927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429701532 13200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (echo '#!/bin/bash'; echo 'print_args_or_input "$@" | tr a-z A-Z | sed '"'"'s/$/ CHICKEN/'"'") >bin/poulet
< 1429701537 916308 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429701548 278595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`poulet updated
< 1429701548 977686 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPDATED CHICKEN
< 1429701575 970618 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. oooooh. OOOOOOOH! :D
< 1429701616 669250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`poulet ooooooooooooooh
< 1429701617 318618 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH CHICKEN
< 1429701649 228589 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of chicken, the first thing I'll be doing at work is to rename the method I wrote yesterday.
< 1429701678 661503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too risky name?
< 1429701744 702240 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing shameful, only something like 'private Mesh computeSideChicken(List<Vector> startLine, List<Vector> endLine)'.
< 1429701763 221896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1429701792 546110 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the famous side chicken
< 1429701806 220090 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually name things like computeOrenIsAwesome
< 1429701822 329877 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :return true?
< 1429701825 950370 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1429701887 478764 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I
< 1429701902 25903 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LATERAL CHICKEN
< 1429701934 26203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` run ls wisdom/*list
< 1429701934 739846 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: run: command not found
< 1429701939 563605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/*list
< 1429701947 131420 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/bdsmreclist \ wisdom/danddreclist \ wisdom/list \ wisdom/olist \ wisdom/slist
< 1429701956 157768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? slist
< 1429701969 539564 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update notification for the webcomic Homestuck.
< 1429702000 216569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Sgeo_ wanted a general mpsa one?
< 1429702008 978892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well.
< 1429702033 436640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mspa
< 1429702034 841510 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I use label names like hell: heaven: rome: 
< 1429702066 633971 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rome: is a good label name for a place where all control flows converge
< 1429702078 613319 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all roads goto rome;
< 1429702099 183326 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429702349 433855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you don't _need_ a kaiser roll with coffee, you know.
< 1429702349 639328 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ' ( 1))) this is a barbarian buyer
< 1429702368 505448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fungot disagrees
< 1429702368 608249 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: consider that ( name. args)
< 1429702424 633026 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1429702424 723654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1429702424 723721 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
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< 1429703009 483550 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10moved [[02User:$M@10]] to [[User:SMA]] over redirect: User pages cannot be renamed, they have other data connected
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< 1429703140 101351 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I forgot which one was HS
< 1429703254 369591 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/48931/make-the-largest-infinity-that-you-can aaah
< 1429703295 714409 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02User talk:Esolang account10]]": Redirect created by someone other than the user themselves
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< 1429704335 387731 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Esowiki201529A14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42716&oldid=42616 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+397) 10/* Disruptive edits */ Don't rename user pages either
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< 1429706915 981221 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alphabetti spaghetti14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42717 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+1441) 10Created page with "Alphabetti spaghetti is an esoteric programming language invented in 2015 by an anonymous user. Programs in alphabetti spaghetti consist of a string of alphabetic characters (..."
< 1429706969 422113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :noodle incident on wiki
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< 1429707403 523071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 196883
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< 1429707558 270127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fwiw I suspect the lack of reply to my previous messages was down to them being a non-native speaker
< 1429707608 709794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like The title of this article is incorrect because of technical limitations. The correct title is talk page.
< 1429707646 808612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also are we sure esowikiblahblah isn't esolang account?
< 1429707674 929983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, but if so e should do the redirect from that account.
< 1429707686 362922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far, it hasn't done anything.
< 1429707708 60214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right I just tend to avoid being pedantic about things like that when it seems highly likely
< 1429707713 913954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess in this case it's hard to tell
< 1429707726 141295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance what about when someone forgets their password
< 1429707740 625158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the account must exist, since it has a contributions link
< 1429707754 174370 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42718&oldid=42645 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+27) 10/* A */
< 1429707764 855964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just tested that a random name doesn't.
< 1429707792 821197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1429707804 544030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only I still had DB access I'd just compare the emails
< 1429707816 654486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't you think I deserve DB access?!?!?!
< 1429707828 980731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, uh. whatever wikimedia calls that permission level.
< 1429707854 675256 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alphabetti spaghetti14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42719&oldid=42717 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+181) 10
< 1429707890 241192 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alphabetti spaghetti14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42720&oldid=42719 5* 03Mazeman 5* (-1) 10/* Syntax */
< 1429707891 229734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there some way to find out when a user registered
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< 1429707927 101961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems not to count on the activity page
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< 1429708038 618668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the user list can be sorted by creation
< 1429708042 773449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1429708048 97168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the log probably got cleared at some point
< 1429708050 83867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :between graue and fizzie
< 1429708095 105441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :esowiki* joined on january 9
< 1429708158 804355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 september 2011 for the other
< 1429708275 378001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot seem to convince it to list around that date
< 1429708278 790017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm
< 1429708368 86401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION skips spam 500 accounts at a time
< 1429708389 171078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit february 2012
< 1429708417 97024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also january
< 1429708470 561374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no user_email set for either account hth
< 1429708472 407870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and december
< 1429708516 441394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes spammers grabbing a lot of 2-letter account
< 1429708518 73742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*0s
< 1429708519 666677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+
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< 1429708685 578839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the account was registered at about the time the spam started picking up severely
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< 1429708834 816346 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10deleted "[[02User:WLaquitaCuevasa10]]": Spam: content was: "PHP is usually a really popular Web programming language. It really is approximated that it's got now about 5 million developers across the world. Possessing PHP help php on google app engine can mean a lot of possibilities for PHP devel..."
< 1429708838 776424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION deletes 3 year old spam
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< 1429708935 821703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5*  10blocked [[02User:WLaquitaCuevasa10]] with an expiry time of indefinite (autoblock disabled): Spamming links to external sites
< 1429708996 576906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm SMA was also around that time
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< 1429709588 851404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f = \(p :: Proxy Proxy) -> typeRep p in f
< 1429709589 865492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typeable Proxy => Proxy Proxy -> TypeRep
< 1429709599 767851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
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< 1429712366 644194 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmhmm.
< 1429712383 302089 :Warrigal!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let x :: forall a. a -> Bool; x = x in x x
< 1429712384 282665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bool
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< 1429720125 991 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn hello
< 1429720126 939025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "hello" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1429720126 993193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1429720126 993241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: an expression of greeting; "every morning they exchanged
< 1429720126 993271 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :         polite hellos" [syn: {hello}, {hullo}, {hi}, {howdy}, {how-
< 1429720126 993300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :         do-you-do}]
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< 1429720979 698054 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn int
< 1429720981 16456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "int".
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< 1429721952 276580 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn too much
< 1429721952 374338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, look up one word at a time please.
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< 1429722988 719494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "a" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1429722988 931682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
< 1429722988 985955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: a metric unit of length equal to one ten billionth of a
< 1429722988 986009 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :         meter (or 0.0001 micron); used to specify wavelengths of
< 1429722988 986039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :         electromagnetic radiation [syn: {angstrom}, {angstrom
< 1429722990 713365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16 @more lines]
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< 1429723063 734227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "a" gcide "The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48"
< 1429723063 840216 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gastropoda \Gas*trop"o*da\, n. pl., [NL., fr. Gr. ?, ?, stomach
< 1429723063 894587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   + -poda.] (Zool.)
< 1429723063 894643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   One of the classes of Mollusca, of great extent. It includes
< 1429723065 38974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :   most of the marine spiral shells, and the land and
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< 1429724805 665927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I came to the conclusion that compilers aren't as good at generating asm as people think they are
< 1429724844 377755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How good do people think they are?
< 1429724859 956991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a fun one I came across today: http://sprunge.us/JESG
< 1429724867 302749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try that with gcc -O2, then try with -O3 for a comparison
< 1429724878 711647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see http://cr.yp.to/talks/2015.04.16/slides-djb-20150416-a4.pdf the other day?
< 1429724884 516900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my laptop (gcc 4.9.1), the -O3 solution is hilariously bad
< 1429724888 867076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I didn't
< 1429725081 546662 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that something requires lex or yacc or whatever
< 1429725114 479068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the -O3 solution?
< 1429725123 69774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: nope, it looks self-contained at a glance
< 1429725126 560984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I've been working on a yacc impl
< 1429725172 89686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the -O3 implementation: http://sprunge.us/XGef
< 1429725173 894386 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice one.
< 1429725190 870151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even convinced it beats -O0
< 1429725214 679727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically gcc sees that I'm trying to load 128 contiguous bits from memory, thinks "ooh, I'll load them into a 128-bit register!"
< 1429725227 446648 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tough one. *counts instructions* 12 instead of 2?
< 1429725229 350986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then can't figure out what to do with them after that and has to put them /back/ into memory to be able to put them into the return value registers
< 1429725265 141471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it beats the -O0 one, but it's really quite awful :)
< 1429725278 851882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now, because it's spilling 128 bits onto the stack
< 1429725284 467897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes and adds a stack canary to the function
< 1429725318 204692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decides to spill the 128-bit register into a different memory location so that it isn't clobbered by the stack canary
< 1429725322 890467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes even less sense
< 1429725351 972794 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: An alternative theory: There might be a temporary on the stack in either case (there certainly is one in the -O0 version), but only the -O2 version manages to eliminate it, because it doesn't "optimize" the memory transfer.
< 1429725402 207328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the problem is that gcc is starting off with temporaries and then trying to find places to put them
< 1429725409 687651 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case it's a nice example.
< 1429725432 646261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang gets it right at -O3, which is what I'd expect for an llvm-based compiler
< 1429725433 683921 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C79C.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1429725440 236648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an even nicer example somewhere
< 1429725453 130877 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1429725483 922789 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the -O0 -fomit-frame-pointer version looks pretty straightforward: copy struct to temporary on stack, then load the temporary into registers for returning it.
< 1429725516 571807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: http://sprunge.us/BVKG
< 1429725523 680078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source is a little complex
< 1429725526 666119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the output is just inexplicable
< 1429725551 537862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was -Os, from memory
< 1429725606 943091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang gets that one right too
< 1429725829 424737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, neither gcc nor clang have figured out how to optimize out yyvalid in ayacc's output
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< 1429726425 643574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :DJB touches a crucial point... fully exploiting modern hardware requires specific algorithms (and the designer will work in terms of keeping various parts (say, integer and floating point units) busy, caches populated, etc...); doing that directly in assembly languyage is easier than fighting an optimizing compiler.
< 1429726464 563743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touches? Isn't that his main point?
< 1429726492 635856 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think that optimizing compilers are dying.
< 1429726494 105435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that and that the specific algorithms will take a larger and larger percentage of CPU time.
< 1429726589 236306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a bit silly to say that CPUs keep getting faster, so we don't need to worry about optimizing compilers at all.
< 1429726613 165000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of the things that make CPUs faster in hardware are the sorts of things that an optimizing compiler does in software
< 1429726614 165624 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you'll optimize the hell out of the hotspots, but you still want the remaining code to be fast. Or prototypes of new algorithms...
< 1429726753 492949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1429726948 219599 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Perhaps I have written too many combinatorial search programs, where each program has a hot spot, but it looks different every for each program. Which means writing it in assembler is not going to worth my time, but I appreciate every speedup that I can get "for free" by using an optimizing compiler.)
< 1429726966 776995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/every //
< 1429727066 630180 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you see our primes program in Haskell?
< 1429727187 43426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1429727194 554598 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I don't think so
< 1429727202 296627 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f='.';o c(x:y)=x:c y;z c(x:y)=f:c y;p n='p':ap fix p(o.n)in f:f:p z
< 1429727204 271512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "..pp.p.p...p.p...p.p...p.....p.p.....p...p.p...p.....p.....p.p.....p...p.p....
< 1429727218 223668 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added it to the AIT git repo
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< 1429727268 737213 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day i'd like to see a bit- optimizing haskell-to-blc compiler that reproduces the blc program from Haskell
< 1429727347 165990 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although for some program the typing requirement is going to get in the way:(
< 1429727384 796280 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :may need to use a haskell variant with optional typing
< 1429727396 634971 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I don't suppose I could get clog to log this IRC channel I just created?
< 1429727423 910427 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who would I even talk to about that?
< 1429728002 760412 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429728099 482509 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.202 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1429729055 586429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you'd want to use glogbot instead
< 1429729076 558781 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's that?
< 1429729079 710380 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1429729569 77514 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, glogbot is Gregor's logging bot
< 1429729575 897476 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logs are at codu.org/logs
< 1429729993 620612 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429730142 221812 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, those logs do look snazzy.
< 1429730208 377565 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there gcc 5.1 ?
< 1429730220 102336 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is 5.0?
< 1429730267 758124 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hey, how would you feel about logging #lepwick?
< 1429730298 844375 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: https://gcc.gnu.org/develop.html#num_scheme
< 1429730323 756698 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429730325 788896 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1429730366 188690 :tswett_!~tswett@claptrap.s.warrigal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I allowed to send messages to #esoteric without being in it?
< 1429730381 357142 :tswett_!~tswett@claptrap.s.warrigal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking yes.
< 1429730399 142721 :tswett_!~tswett@claptrap.s.warrigal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to use this ability for the sole purpose of confusing everyone and causing distress and despair.
< 1429730417 114853 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_: how nasty.
< 1429730432 621183 :tswett_!~tswett@claptrap.s.warrigal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, right?
< 1429730442 931667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(funny, irssi autocompletes that nick regardless of it not being present)
< 1429730474 648550 :tswett_!~tswett@claptrap.s.warrigal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered for a moment how come your message wasn't showing up on my screen.
< 1429730487 640899 :tswett_!~tswett@claptrap.s.warrigal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is, of course, somewhat obvious.
< 1429730493 772376 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett_: this is hurting you more than me
< 1429730514 492950 :tswett_!~tswett@claptrap.s.warrigal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who says it's hurting anyone?
< 1429730761 450762 :tswett_!~tswett@claptrap.s.warrigal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me tell you what I intend to do with my amazing new powers of mischief.
< 1429731355 273357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: just /invite glogbot there
< 1429731367 869399 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that how it works?
< 1429731383 167802 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. Thanks.
< 1429731387 711257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. I made it up to sabotage you
< 1429732459 806646 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1429736859 828556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429737129 44167 :daria!~me@unaffiliated/daria QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429737299 611554 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-5.1.0/jit/intro/tutorial05.html
< 1429737374 647547 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to do things in programming languages that aren't Haskell or esoteric (or both) at some point
< 1429737490 411026 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.202 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429737692 867940 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.202 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1429737967 735034 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: I've done something horrible to compile a non-trivial part of Haskell to BLC :) http://sprunge.us/jead and an example: http://sprunge.us/KWRb
< 1429737995 388226 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(non-optimizing, proof of concept quality at best)
< 1429738085 932831 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, ooh, nice!
< 1429738190 884386 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that looks awesome. much shorter than i expected!
< 1429738255 94583 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard would that be to adapt into a Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download thingy?
< 1429738263 665273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :My motivation was to leverage ghc's desugaring for function definitions by pattern matching.
< 1429738357 821182 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which will not work nicely yet because of the missing case in mkCase')
< 1429738437 173411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: from the looks of it it's just a matter of pretty-printing.
< 1429738450 813799 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/from/by/
< 1429738456 623327 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, I believe the languages only differ in syntax and IO convention
< 1429738478 497961 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your Sample, how do the various constructors map to blc?
< 1429738480 488578 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code knows nothing about the IO convention.
< 1429738509 836861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1429738531 897489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: church-encoding. data X = A x y | B has  A x y = \a b -> a x y; B = \a b -> b
< 1429738545 103254 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1429738573 695889 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, so Digit will in fact map to the right booleans
< 1429738580 492228 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so data Bool = True | False  does the right thing, but List suffers from lack of Nil.
< 1429738800 949274 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right; that's gonna be a challenge to fit in
< 1429738835 222683 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you want syntactive support for lists as well
< 1429738844 739056 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactic
< 1429738862 385163 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a nicer way to encode  let a = a'; b = b' in e  than doing  (\x. x x) (\x. (\a b p. p a' b') (x x (\a b. a)) (x x (\a b. b)) (\a b. e)?
< 1429738953 681441 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a' and b' both refer to a and b?
< 1429738958 9031 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1429738987 761344 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question!
< 1429739006 121283 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i know of
< 1429739007 743035 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's missing a )
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< 1429739090 463643 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you'd have to peruse some functional compiler construction texts to discover
< 1429739148 285814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not too bad, ghc also does the SCC decomposition for me.
< 1429739194 770787 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's SCC?
< 1429739212 804196 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So as awful as the code I wrote is (really, I want to rewrite it from scratch), it looks like a plugin is a *really* quick way to get to the interesting bits of the translation.
< 1429739231 6530 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :strongly connected component (in the dependency graph induced by let bindings)
< 1429739255 644942 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429739257 792343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429739262 5824 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, and I probably missed the answer, too
< 1429739264 87722 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais53
< 1429739266 432258 :ais53!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1429739315 337793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer to what, or did i miss your question
< 1429739343 253126 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, plugin seems to be the way to go to avoid a huge codebase, and to get the full benefits of an evolving ghc
< 1429739473 329248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what "SCC" expands to
< 1429739524 722497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :strongly connected component hth
< 1429739557 995790 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :supreme court of canada hth
< 1429739577 826760 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1429739674 837934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I was thinking about canadian politics recently
< 1429739680 402804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :during a conversation about the royal family
< 1429739685 419712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't followed it in ages
< 1429739695 123073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything particularly stupid happen recently? or has it been calm?
< 1429739698 560025 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I have connection issues?
< 1429739717 656164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: yes, but nowhere near as bad as mine
< 1429739748 600949 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, someone tried renaming a userpage
< 1429739758 351446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed, but I think oerjan fixed it
< 1429739777 42445 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it counts as a particularly stupid thing though
< 1429739780 165296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the user who keeps on coming up with creative new ways to screw up the wiki
< 1429739843 436647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1429739869 302410 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, if a ghc plugin is as easy as that looks, I might actually get going on jonguilexiphonaugh some day
< 1429739915 357990 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: elections in two provinces
< 1429739919 684890 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEI isn't making much news
< 1429739929 193593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have general elections coming up in the UK
< 1429739931 786708 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the PCs are probably going to lose in Alberta, which is a big deal
< 1429739947 62474 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're polling in third place, which is insane.
< 1429739949 665581 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're behind the NDP
< 1429739958 862388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the likely result? coalition?
< 1429739967 604708 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that Alberta is usually considered the most conservative province, this is insane.
< 1429739971 908647 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wildrose minority I think
< 1429739990 549316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're kind-of coalition-crazy in the UK because there's an election coming up and the polls say that no party's likely to get a majority, again
< 1429740002 627563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not just that, most of the plausible coalitions also are unlikely to get majorities
< 1429740025 479612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm stuck trying to figure out where to vote to get the best possible result for me
< 1429740038 614159 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coalition's unlikely. The governing party lies ideologically very firmly between the other two. Neither opposition party will likely want to coalition with them because they're politically toxic, and they likely won't coalition with each other
< 1429740042 884399 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :far more likely is a Wildrose minority
< 1429740083 770554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense, although you need at least some concessions in a minority government
< 1429740089 579451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent no confidence votes knocking you out
< 1429740105 8848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current coalition wanted to push no-confidence up to 66% but that didn't go through
< 1429740109 819071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's still at 50%
< 1429740129 386531 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1429740133 655418 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would have been insanely stupid
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< 1429740193 468968 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best poll analysis out there predicts the governing party reduced to 10/87 seats
< 1429740197 266835 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the Queen has final say over who the Prime Minister is (the check on this is that her choice can be immediately no-confidenced out), and unlike most of the royal powers, has actually used it on occasion
< 1429740215 507112 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10/87's a pretty small minority government
< 1429740216 475220 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: as late as the 60s, it was expected to be used
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< 1429740230 207016 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect they'll survive
< 1429740237 336259 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely they'll prop up a Wildrose or NDP government
< 1429740262 88937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally would be if policies were decided on a case by case basis, rather than party lines
< 1429740262 204866 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably wildrose because Canadians, especially Albertans, get itchy about the governing party not having the lead in seats
< 1429740274 653926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't really work for the budget
< 1429740292 405184 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it was the Cons in Britain that didn't elect their own party leader when in government in the 60s and actually expected the monarch to make the choice
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< 1429740376 766329 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : < coppro> ais523: I think it was the Cons in Britain that didn't elect their own party leader when in government in the 60s and actually expected the monarch to make the choice
< 1429740403 606510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering how party leadership debates in the UK often go, I think that was a sensible decision
< 1429740474 591352 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :All UK politicians suck
< 1429740509 112803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the snp seems to be able to find good ones for whatever reason
< 1429740535 491242 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I don't think we can vote for the SNP to rule over England
< 1429740546 658689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, some of the SNP people are reasonably awful too
< 1429740563 378541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's what a Labour vote may work out as, there's huge debate about whether Labour + SNP will happen
< 1429740586 945416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, but both salmond and sturgeon are very good at what they do
< 1429740587 907903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the most plausible combinations for which the numbers have a chance of working out, even though Labour would probably be fools to accept it
< 1429740622 510510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scenario i keep hearing is labour/snp confidence vote, then labour majority government
< 1429740641 596904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither party wants a coalition, especially not after the last one
< 1429740649 124585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*labour minority
< 1429740677 426208 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be labour minority propped up by SNP possibly
< 1429740687 266880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you mean labour uses the SNP to confidence out whoever else tries to form a government?
< 1429740689 306307 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's gonna be interesting, no matter what, I think
< 1429740712 348434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, more or less, idk the exact workings
< 1429740716 691640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there a good site to get latest predictions from?
< 1429740721 785344 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno for the UK
< 1429740726 258246 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for canada it's threehundredeight.com
< 1429740736 836199 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want a site that analyzes polls because a lot can go wrong
< 1429740751 666316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and different sites can come up with very different results
< 1429740762 784100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's just best to check bookie's odds because they have a financial incentive to be right
< 1429740821 337570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard the caveat a few times that bookies have an incentive to predict the perception of the outcome more than the outcome itself
< 1429740821 576436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling that the liberals don't want to be in a coalition this time around, but will probably do it anyway if they have to
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< 1429740846 612085 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :<o> \o/ <o> \o/ <o> \o/ <o> \o/ <o> \o/ <o> \o/ <o> \o/ <o> \o/    stretching
< 1429740856 295650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a liberal/tory coalition is not really feasible from any of the polls i've seen
< 1429740871 6521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could give you pretty accurate predictions for the Finnish parliamentary election 2015.
< 1429740874 27764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But only because they already counted the votes and published the results last weekend.)
< 1429740875 657989 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like two dozen seats short of a majority
< 1429740897 829842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the DUP will make up some of that, I'm pretty sure they'd have no objection to being part of that coaltion
< 1429740902 300575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they'll still be short even adter that
< 1429740958 704141 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i really love about this election
< 1429740987 307583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that during the AV referendum people argued FPTP is good because it guarantees a strong majority government
< 1429741010 929432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and they said that despite having a coalition government from an FPTP vote
< 1429741041 436818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, that none of the major parties are really electable atm, and none of the minor parties are either
< 1429741072 584896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I predict more success for minor parties than before, maybe the greens will get two seats this time for instance
< 1429741087 249937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how small ukip's actual gains are looking to be
< 1429741099 203118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all the media attention they got
< 1429741175 107067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are going to gain, though, unfortunately
< 1429741210 744494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm
< 1429741218 282224 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think their gain will be quite spread out
< 1429741225 375829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way you sort-of want them to be a big enough part of the government to become permanently unelectable
< 1429741233 229688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure we'd survive the intervening years
< 1429741251 329779 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if UKIP get into government I am activating my increasingly terrible back up plan
< 1429741253 78790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're polling at like 4 seats
< 1429741285 174778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is believable
< 1429741299 546718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hmm, do I want to know what this is/
< 1429741313 906845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm still undecided on how to vote
< 1429741317 987497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine that after 5 years of political irrelevance the wave will break and their vote will collapse
< 1429741319 877412 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, use the fact that I am dual national to go live in Australia
< 1429741325 828970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both in terms of "who do I want to run the country" and "what vote maximizes the chance of this"
< 1429741327 765732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at how big a deal the bnp were 10 years ago
< 1429741338 413280 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :*5 years ag
< 1429741340 67558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1429741380 733374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got a few council seats, and that was it I think?
< 1429741406 651564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, UKIP did hugely well at the European elections, but that's probably going to be their last major success
< 1429741446 13196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'd sort-of like to see a conservative+labour coalition, but the chances of that happening are basically 0
< 1429741451 592317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though they'd have easily enough seats
< 1429741455 50305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they hate each other too much
< 1429741455 435092 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It amuses me that a lot of the UKIPish parties throughout Europe refuse to work with each other in Europarl
< 1429741467 719802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yep, UKIP refusing to work with the Front National, for instance
< 1429741479 645658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they basically all don't want to be associated with each other, because they're trying to look respectable
< 1429741488 812828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and consider each other to be disrespectable
< 1429741493 537917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc that led to the left block getting power
< 1429741524 198729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes perfect sense, actually
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< 1429741658 219739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got poll cards for both leamington and edinburgh north, i think i'll probably vote in leamington since it's a tory marginal and edinburgh north's polling a 14-point snp lead
< 1429741678 675158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus i also get to avoid the awkward topic of the snp with my dad when i next see him
< 1429741702 627959 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have poll cards for York Outer and Hexham, and by broadly similar reasoning I'll only be voting in the former
< 1429741705 816761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you had to say which place you were voting in in advance?
< 1429741708 783374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to stop you voting in both?
< 1429741723 540236 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, university students have weird rules
< 1429741728 949771 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can actually vote in both
< 1429741742 38603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, really?
< 1429741747 554727 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1429741751 30960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one person, one vote, surely?
< 1429741760 957303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked it up the other day, i was under the impression that-- yeah
< 1429741767 702350 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're a university student living away from home
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< 1429741792 406757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/register-to-vote/students
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< 1429741805 399851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is a criminal offence to vote twice in a UK general election."
< 1429741817 80939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bold as in original)
< 1429741841 498722 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1429741860 904685 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is different to what I recall
< 1429741865 78222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a friend tell me the same thing so this is obviously a common urban legend
< 1429741871 721967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says you can vote in both local elections
< 1429741882 58714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only in one general election constituency
< 1429741887 48997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would allow you to use both poll cards
< 1429741947 737747 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure about notifying ahead of time though
< 1429741958 768626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i applied for a postal vote in edinburgh, maybe that means i have to vote there
< 1429741990 796262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Once you've used your postal vote you can't change your mind and vote at a polling station."
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< 1429742000 585297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess if you don't actually use it you're OK
< 1429742003 386850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I believe that's "used" rather than "applied for", though
< 1429742020 870808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that a while ago, we had to hand-deliver a postal vote to a polling station, because it hadn't been posted in time
< 1429742033 252663 :S1!~S1@p4FF9247A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric
< 1429742033 801446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is another weird variant on that
< 1429742234 966342 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this'll be the first general election I've voted n
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< 1429742739 383414 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not very good at writing a CV
< 1429742787 467698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you should write a version control system instead.
< 1429742819 222981 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Tanelle. is it written with LaTeX?
< 1429742832 96154 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, the LaTeX is the easier part
< 1429742838 624213 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am still not very good at it
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< 1429742971 726191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you seen the eurocard thing?
< 1429742979 952324 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not!
< 1429742982 225376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a european standard for CVs, the same way that PAX is a POSIX standard for tarballs
< 1429742992 575761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been considering using it but nobody's asked me for a CV yet
< 1429743008 384237 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be worse. I'm not even European!
< 1429743015 151818 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you have a link?
< 1429743048 542518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I misremembered the name
< 1429743053 407835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so possibly not
< 1429743081 125779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europass
< 1429743082 454738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europass
< 1429743104 688199 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks!
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< 1429743818 301824 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, goodnight! :)
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< 1429744951 85663 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1429745090 22731 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia!
< 1429745113 428382 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you always disappear before responding to me
< 1429745119 475324 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1429745127 789329 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry >_>'...
< 1429745186 396928 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be a good project to refresh my c skills
< 1429745217 975043 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see Project Euler
< 1429745228 424345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1429745247 159942 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hack the Linux kernel
< 1429745252 688041 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :those usually dont require much dynamic memory allocationx
< 1429745264 309056 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate os stuf
< 1429745292 925081 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... mmmh... what would make an interesting small C project?
< 1429745293 159026 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a brainfuck interpreter that dynamically assigns the tape as it's needed
< 1429745302 248852 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you have inspirational ideas?
< 1429745302 465925 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but hey... whatever floats your boat") in my old days. fnord
< 1429745309 622806 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: go boat yourself.
< 1429745309 828466 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the optimizing run.c was not ready for prime time :) :) :) :) :)
< 1429745321 157387 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what about an IRC bot?
< 1429745328 418368 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at fungot
< 1429745328 727894 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but of course. i know what to do with antpony.
< 1429745335 633786 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP server.
< 1429745337 856884 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: and call it antpony.
< 1429745343 334885 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher server
< 1429745356 816041 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿porqué no los dos?
< 1429745363 567024 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an IRC/gopher server!
< 1429745370 265547 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1429745381 68275 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I highly doubt the usefulness of the thing, but we're in #esöteric.)
< 1429745400 51099 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The great thing about an HTTP server is, simple ones are in fact quite easy.
< 1429745464 696264 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. I managed to get one running on an Arduino without too much hassle.
< 1429745476 996788 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :serving .png was harder than the HTTP part!
< 1429745543 132601 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing HTTP *well* is tricky, but you can get it functional with much, much less.
< 1429745548 678469 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you're doing HTTP/1.1.
< 1429745567 62614 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1429745582 569033 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would a gopherbot do?
< 1429745596 584378 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly an HTTP/1.1 server that does Connection: close for everything kinda sucks, but it's valid.
< 1429745619 203237 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429745620 970459 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: good question.
< 1429745721 938908 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1429745725 685754 :NotSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429745760 319778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Matrix14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42721&oldid=42151 5* 03Paul2520 5* (-1) 10/* Language Overview */ fixed typo
< 1429745946 52031 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1429746191 352465 :creationBlues!621cff0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.28.255.13 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429746871 557114 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Element14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42722&oldid=42669 5* 03Phi 5* (+493) 10added more examples
< 1429747577 36868 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: DIVINATORIAL CHICKEN
< 1429747823 387831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03SplatterWorthy 5*  10New user account
< 1429748748 830527 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1429748977 915669 :^v!~^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429749275 13297 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist A6A6I5
< 1429749275 852324 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist A6A6I5: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
< 1429749566 251708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429750702 884646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/emptylist
< 1429750703 358817 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit
< 1429750708 399797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a good shell script
< 1429751116 754343 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it... what does it mean?
< 1429752717 434574 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429752737 501650 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is all over
< 1429752833 426219 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm that's too general. my school is all over
< 1429752890 965942 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1429752923 879708 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429753044 245378 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript/Escape sequence14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42723&oldid=42631 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+27) 10
< 1429753184 750118 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript/HTML interpreter14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42724&oldid=42589 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+3) 10/* See also */
< 1429753258 453391 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript/Escape sequence14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42725&oldid=42723 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+58) 10
< 1429753360 455131 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript/Escape sequence14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42726&oldid=42725 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+29) 10/* See also */
< 1429753502 641535 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript/Escape sequence14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42727&oldid=42726 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+206) 10/* Unprintable character */
< 1429753802 702660 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.95.202 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone.
< 1429753987 280659 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript/Escape sequence14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42728&oldid=42727 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+120) 10/* Blank characters */
< 1429754100 175487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: ZZZ
< 1429754157 519084 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript/Escape sequence14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42729&oldid=42728 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+89) 10/* Unprintable characters */
< 1429755239 411299 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript/Escape sequence14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42730&oldid=42729 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+57) 10/* Unprintable characters */
< 1429755390 594778 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript/Escape sequence14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42731&oldid=42730 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+41) 10/* Unprintable characters */
< 1429755437 599174 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Piet++14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42733 5* 03SplatterWorthy 5* (+6066) 10Created page with "This is a work in progress, and is still in development.  '''Piet++''' is a stack orientated 2 dimensional programming language expanding upon the functionality of [[Piet]]. I..."
< 1429755519 503434 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Gibberish/JavaScript/Escape sequence14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42734&oldid=42731 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+40) 10/* Unprintable characters */
< 1429755619 585694 :creationBlues!621cff0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.28.255.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've been thinking about the specifics of Piet++ recently, does anybody have any commentary on the language?
< 1429756812 729717 :creationBlues!621cff0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.28.255.13 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1429758053 256675 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429758183 222012 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the spec for Piet++
< 1429760100 763805 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429760893 390402 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1429765100 57249 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ctrlv.in/562934 <-- oh the horror
< 1429765758 306335 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1429766635 320546 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429766803 292073 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1429768007 375169 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.143 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429768152 527214 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fqqorkbmbxobkrsb JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429769012 692902 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429769109 426306 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1429769590 455603 :^v!~^v@c-68-36-225-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429770674 797969 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mitchs_ already in use. Retrying with mitchs_..." <-- HexChat has a stubborn side
< 1429770723 528637 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is bin/emptylist
< 1429771233 329497 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.143 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1429771291 456514 :constant!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1429771314 407545 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429771774 197285 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`emptylist
< 1429771774 939138 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emptylist:
< 1429771809 840356 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a list of nicks with no nicks in it?
< 1429771978 506406 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo james lily >> bin/emptylist
< 1429771980 338128 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429771986 962821 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo harry ron hermione >> bin/emptylist
< 1429771988 161114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1429771990 879579 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429771994 151924 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehy
< 1429771996 33228 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfu
< 1429772001 652548 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat bin/emptylist
< 1429772004 722277 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1429772005 649078 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit \ james lily
< 1429772011 844198 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo harry ron hermione >> bin/emptylist
< 1429772020 452321 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1429772021 481967 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`emptylist
< 1429772022 156655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't vandalize.
< 1429772022 367832 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emptylist: james lily harry ron hermione
< 1429772026 852 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not
< 1429772063 837517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 5324
< 1429772065 286032 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1429772110 501653 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so much better
< 1429772112 572173 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/ever
< 1429772539 571079 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429774216 548509 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.76 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429774354 284361 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many items can be in one square in DF?
< 1429774444 293459 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently every non-food item in my fortress
< 1429774467 571915 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(other than corpses and refuse)
< 1429774728 792300 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.74.76 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429774840 240161 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429774954 241711 :daria!~me@5ED4FCEA.cm-7-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429774954 603255 :daria!~me@5ED4FCEA.cm-7-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Changing host
< 1429774954 657393 :daria!~me@unaffiliated/daria JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429775908 754482 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I think the point is to be able to copy from it when creating a new *list
< 1429776504 597707 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1429777446 749027 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429777480 283824 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1429778319 797948 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429778600 217644 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1429778640 128674 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429779393 57387 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1429779769 923058 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a *list ?
< 1429779811 887245 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.145 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429779814 658215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like RSS but it causes more #esoteric arguments
< 1429780167 649771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist is homestuck, olist is order of the stick, I forget the others
< 1429781317 412065 :daria!~me@unaffiliated/daria QUIT :
< 1429781868 143272 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1429781937 350034 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1429781956 175130 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-092-072-169-098.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429782025 530400 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1429782049 605344 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429782106 172599 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit
< 1429783190 714729 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429784350 680672 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1429784381 440666 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin/*list
< 1429784430 543175 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429784461 283919 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo are you alive, HackEgo?
< 1429784524 977102 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/danddreclist \ bin/dontaskdonttelllist \ bin/don'taskdon'ttelllist \ bin/emptylist \ bin/erflist \ bin/list \ bin/llist \ bin/makelist \ bin/mlist \ bin/olist \ bin/pbflist \ bin/slist \ bin/smlist \ bin/testlist
< 1429784525 463858 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you alive, HackEgo?
< 1429784573 638125 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Hackego is FIFO
< 1429784769 410292 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fifoification?
< 1429784873 55078 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean slowfo
< 1429785074 547188 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1427914345783.gif
< 1429785218 588671 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429785293 790646 :f|`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429785357 307712 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.78.145 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone.
< 1429785365 758961 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1429785379 122228 :f|`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net NICK :f|`-`|f
< 1429786673 268244 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/makelist
< 1429786676 94785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp bin/emptylist bin/"$1"
< 1429786689 333534 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ↑ so that's what it's for
< 1429786802 669645 :mbrcknl!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aapcmmsqfovglugw NICK :crickets
< 1429786837 749778 :crickets!sid28171@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aapcmmsqfovglugw NICK :mbrcknl
< 1429788403 764890 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: LUMINARY CHICKEN
< 1429790327 757593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429790364 28557 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1429791093 357620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1429791093 568164 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1429791831 258168 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a thought today
< 1429791870 865838 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrices of regular expressions
< 1429791876 94675 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what they would do
< 1429791986 591085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1429792012 975069 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could like multiply them sort of
< 1429792016 396343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can make a commutative semiring of regular expressions, the rest is simple.
< 1429792053 740135 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not commutative, I don't think, but it has an identity
< 1429792079 141687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad, commutativity is required for matrices to behave nicely
< 1429792101 376579 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really?
< 1429792110 326832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least for determinants to do
< 1429792143 225187 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is the empty language, 1, is the language containing the empty string, + is union, * is concatenation
< 1429792159 52306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it's not entirely obligatory, i vaguely recall we made matrices out of C*-algebra elements back in my day
< 1429792201 820391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C*-algebras aren't very interesting if they're commutative (then they're essentially just ordinary function spaces)
< 1429792318 726191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: although the thing that's _completely_ non-negotiable for sanity is distributivity.
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< 1429792333 704526 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we have that
< 1429792357 625508 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a(b U c) is the same as (ab) U (ac)
< 1429792368 959016 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same on the RHS
< 1429792393 373197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and union is commutative.  maybe it checks out as a semiring then.
< 1429792432 324450 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely a semiring
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< 1429793147 320001 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, the question is, is there any way this matrix could be useful
< 1429793190 185669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you have a vector of languages, what happens if you apply the matrix to it
< 1429793213 63936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should be s "semi"linear transformation
< 1429793236 464664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a
< 1429793326 88929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this resembles a kind of reverse parsing, i think
< 1429793394 468064 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm?
< 1429793447 20264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you map a vector of regexps/languages to another vector, formed by adding prefixes to the original elements
< 1429793460 201594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and taking unions
< 1429793496 199748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parsing usually starts with recognizing prefixes
< 1429793506 783115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very vaguely
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< 1429795886 915858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Adam_T Spatterworthy
< 1429795896 357515 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04Adam_T: 07Spatterworthy: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04<http://esolangs.org/>. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09irc.dal.net.)
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< 1429797583 817896 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ol pop in an oak pop in an oak ??incomprehensible??
< 1429797650 853492 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously it's like the singer suddenly switches to vcantonese
< 1429797727 770390 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My PSU arrived! :)
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< 1429797977 916912 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how many outputs
< 1429797994 191264 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how much current?
< 1429798128 487909 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :600W
< 1429798415 669034 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know, if you connect two PSU's in series, it doesn't work like batteries? Instead one of the PSU's will burn up.
< 1429798590 652809 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or sometimes the wire connecting them. I tried several configurations, it just doesn't work)
< 1429798911 812262 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't PSUs convert AC to DC?
< 1429798916 493828 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you think would happen?
< 1429798991 51635 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed if I connected the 0V of PSU A to the +12V of PSU B, that the voltage difference from the +12V of A to the 0V of B would be a total of 24V. 
< 1429799057 572852 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works like that if you do it with two 9V batteries
< 1429799070 968564 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get 18V difference
< 1429799179 156502 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no. Instead your copper wires become !!copper wire!!s
< 1429799221 110833 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :even before the circuit is even a closed circuit
< 1429799528 866750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
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< 1429800439 876502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i feel like i'm getting in over my head :(
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< 1429802358 132431 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing a PSU is very easy when you have a more competent housemate who likes to do things his own way
< 1429802663 913010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that Taneb's statement could be either literal or sarcastic, dependently.
< 1429802680 156333 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's actually both
< 1429802686 346609 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not doing any work for it
< 1429802702 886937 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although my housemate, who is in fact more competent at this sort of thing, is having some difficulty
< 1429802719 364618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1429802913 86497 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( It's called delegation. )
< 1429803015 190252 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He pretty much made me sit down so he could do it
< 1429803517 539553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: seems that spj has not been kind to you hth
< 1429803538 93437 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(?
< 1429804179 136021 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a set S of 32 elements, how many subsets of S can you put in a collection T such that no element of T is a subset of another element of T?
< 1429804186 545102 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just 32 choose 16?
< 1429804188 922340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i made https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/10343
< 1429804272 502715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not realizing it would mean further obligations hth
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< 1429804368 37835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my last comment tries to condense to the core of it
< 1429804680 239200 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1429804729 611095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION edits description
< 1429804945 263559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgot that he shouldn't copy and paste rendered markup into source markup
< 1429804999 565614 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1429805040 660299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
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< 1429805563 392271 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah my desktop is working!
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< 1429805936 922890 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1429805937 15694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
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< 1429806798 721275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome emapaere
< 1429806799 793403 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02emapaere: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09<http://esolangs.org/>. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.)
< 1429806849 772259 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help, I have digged too deep into the Windows API!
< 1429806880 956165 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a ring of jumping or levitation so I can get out
< 1429806884 90260 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no!
< 1429807254 892830 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixos
< 1429807255 611437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any change is resisted because bureaucrats have a vested interest in the chaos in which they exist.
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< 1429807316 84133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought that was fungot for a moment
< 1429807316 305202 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fnord egobot ___________________ ' !hangman lcase-guess' to guess a letter!... i think
< 1429807320 646566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thought it was oddly insightful
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< 1429808425 881536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you don't find ___________________ insightful? 
< 1429808446 497527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clearly a hangman puzzle
< 1429808454 725954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with nobody to check the guesses
< 1429808460 225376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind-of philosophical in its own way
< 1429808515 130439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Any 'e's? 
< 1429808515 461331 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: since lisp was devised, it has to make an example ( other than making it do the right thing? continuations being there and all
< 1429808639 393856 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 't's? 'a's? 'o's? 'i's? 'n's? 's's? 'h's? 'r's? 'd's? 'l's? 'u's? 
< 1429808639 601418 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pfft. you and your crazy fnord do it in
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< 1429809311 476817 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like an eliza template to me, not a hangman puzzle
< 1429809366 277140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The '!hangman lcase-guess' part is kind of a giveaway, though.
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< 1429816954 512639 :b_jonas!~x@BC064B37.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone, gcc 5.1 is released
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< 1429817655 526853 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a simple system I've been playing with like since forever: you have 4 objects (e, A, B, C) and one operator (I generally don't mark it) that is communtative and associative. eX = X, AB = C, BC = A, AC = B, XX = e
< 1429817798 668137 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally, eABC were operations on rotating a rhombus while keeping it symmetrical to the original one (do nothing, flip along X axis, flip along Y axis, rotate 180° about the center), but soon I figured that the 4 positions (0, 1, 2, 3) could be represented as (0e, 0A, 0B, 0C), and dropped the positions off
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< 1429817844 811470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: that reminds me of quaternions
< 1429817861 822391 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is probably not that interesting, but I've noticed a couple fun properties on it, like if you represent (e, A, B, C) as (00, 01, 10, 11), the operator is XOR
< 1429817869 569524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with quaternions, you have ij = k, jk = i, ki = j, but ji = -k, kj = -i, ik = -j
< 1429817882 280748 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I've run into them
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< 1429817889 410251 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't make that connection, tho
< 1429817892 555924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and xx (where x = i, j, or k) = -1
< 1429817917 830582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think this is the set {1 or -1, i or -i, j or -j, k or -k} under quaternion multiplication
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< 1429818145 516512 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reduced version of it uses only (A, B). I usually replace then e as AA and C as AB. there are a couple fun ways to evaluate it, for example xxx = x, BA = AB, BB = AA
< 1429818179 141122 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, xxy = y *
< 1429818237 654377 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and xy = yx, too
< 1429818689 850930 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually, the xy = yx is not requires, since if (x,y) is (A,A) or (B,B), it'd be a nop, and (A,B) and (B,A) can be gotten using the BA = AB rule
< 1429818710 472583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Parsec O(n)?
< 1429818738 61727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the length of the input, for all reasonable grammars?
< 1429818755 221956 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I don't think so
< 1429818769 628485 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't it a full backtrack parser?
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< 1429818792 996189 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the question is for Parsec without `try`.
< 1429818802 781314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think so, yes
< 1429818821 869778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm thinking about backtrack parsers versus LR parsers
< 1429818835 12434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :versus the sort-of pseudo-LR I'm ending up with in ayacc that has more primitives
< 1429818847 665225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly I can't match bison output in size, probably not even with the hand-coded asm I'm working on
< 1429818861 902066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to match it in speed because of better branch prediction, but maybe not due to caching effects
< 1429818866 451451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, which reminds me
< 1429818889 653545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayacc is now feature-complete against POSIX, except for occasional UB in cases that shouldn't matter but nonetheless needs eliminating
< 1429818892 352857 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by pseudo-LR, do you mean optimized LR?
< 1429818901 165296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as returning an uninitialized value from a function, then not using it)
< 1429818913 100368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's based on optimizing LR tables
< 1429818913 408553 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good, is there a public release? and where?
< 1429818919 535766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has rather more actions than shift/reduce
< 1429818973 823838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://nethack4.org/media/alex/ayacc/ayacc.pl , public but currently license-undecided
< 1429818976 661431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'll probably do GPL3
< 1429818989 40981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I haven't finished documenting it yet
< 1429819046 208897 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1429819113 758769 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that a release, or only a snapshot or escape?
< 1429819150 793781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snapshot
< 1429819158 93947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pointing straight into the darcs repo
< 1429819161 858914 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Parsec has this odd behavior of committing to a choice when at least one input token has been consumed, unless one uses `try` explicitly. It's meant to plug a common memory leak, but I think it also means that if you stick to the Applicative fragment of Parsec (so you're not able to build parsers from previously parsed things, which the monadic parser interface allows) it should be...
< 1429819167 897506 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...either nonterminating or linear...
< 1429819233 569992 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still without `try`.)
< 1429819275 960461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, LR parsers are a bit like that
< 1429819286 295340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they always decide to either reduce or not reduce (and if reducing, how) on every token
< 1429819291 660850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what keeps them O(n)
< 1429819305 600641 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is highly informal; I'm actually missing some finiteness constraint in there as well (you can write down an infinite grammar, with increasing number of branches, even when sticking to the Applicative fragment... so tricky.)
< 1429819307 182431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big innovation over LL parsers is that they can decide to shift without committing as to why
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< 1429819358 683596 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right
< 1429819391 73960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting looking over the C-INTERCAL grammar for places where that's necessary
< 1429819393 103465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few
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< 1429820631 633411 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 4-intercal with the prefix operator syntax extension, does DO.6<-,7SUB#82?#9 parse as DO.6<-,7SUB#8#2?9 or as DO.6<-,7SUB#82#?9 or something else?
< 1429820658 45858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the 82 parses as a single token in C-INTERCAL at least
< 1429820679 414440 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see. what if I put a space, like DO.6<-,7SUB#8 2?#9
< 1429820690 987765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I think it'd lex as an 8 and a 2?
< 1429820715 19742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL uses a separate lexer and parser
< 1429820716 899555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably it shouldn't
< 1429820805 626212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a plausible argument that INTERCAL-72 allows spaces inside keywords (that aren't READ OUT)
< 1429820808 335861 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: shouldn't as in to emulate the strange behavior of certain BASIC implementations where AX OR B parses as A XOR B ?
< 1429820818 942617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, (not just READ OUT, the other ones too)
< 1429820820 592407 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think some FORTRAN implementations
< 1429820837 3960 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, in fact I think some dialects of basic spelt GOTO as GO TO
< 1429820845 773861 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but later GOTO became the norm
< 1429820849 416573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algol 68 has a go to keyword
< 1429820854 76815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, it allows spaces inside variable names too
< 1429820863 623821 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :significant or non-significant spaces?
< 1429820874 75548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and variable names that are the same as keywords
< 1429820880 864892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're significant in 68 and nonsignificant in 60, IIRC
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< 1429821682 600147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The World Bank has already given approval for the payment of your fund while they deliberately delay your payment and continue to demand fees from different departments mostly from Africa, the UK , Europe and Asia all in an attempt to enrich their private accounts. I wonder why you haven’t notice all these while. I am Christian and my religion does not permit such."
< 1429821692 785624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last bit was a new twist for me.
< 1429821724 779734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is from an "IMF agent attach to the World Bank office".)
< 1429821794 641132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not very long after the World Bank completed the acquisition process of all pending payments, I discovered that my boss connived with some top officials of the World Bank to divert funds already approved to settle inheritances, email lottery winners and international contractors."
< 1429821804 209500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice "cover all common spam stories" part there.
< 1429822075 736666 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so when you say the docs is incomplete, that means you'll document the basic C++ support ayacc offers (same C-like interface, but brace blocks in grammar contain C++ code, and output is to be compiled with C++), right?
< 1429822108 721493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really have C++ support yet
< 1429822114 634872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except inasmuch as C works
< 1429822122 318837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll change, but I need help from someone who knows more C++ than I do
< 1429822210 942050 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean only basic C++ support. you probably don't really need to implement anything for that, you just have to make sure you don't use anything in the template that doesn't work in C++, such as implicit cast from void* or such things
< 1429822263 708572 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking more about RAII support
< 1429822270 94276 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, I assume you'll document more about how the interface is reentrant, and how it doesn't heap-allocate anything so you can just break out of it with longjmp or C++ exceptions, how to destroy symbol values when you break out this way or when there's a parse failure
< 1429822274 460490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without that it isn't really C++
< 1429822287 496783 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well sure, you can do more lots of things for more advanced C++ support
< 1429822292 3450 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might even be able to help in that
< 1429822295 797933 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first things first
< 1429822393 976162 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh by the way, if the language is currently determined by the source output filename given by the -o switch, then some C++ people will hate you for using .h or .hpp or .hxx as a file extension of the header no matter what extension you choose, unless you add an option to set the name of the header
< 1429822414 258 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ file extensions are in a sad state
< 1429822503 321867 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include <vector> // the solution is obvious
< 1429822558 572035 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: um, why would you need that? ayacc's C output already doesn't heap allocate anything
< 1429822569 637625 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :.hh is also a thing.
< 1429822581 528915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what about .H to match .C?
< 1429822597 358864 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allocates everything on the stack, so RAII should work fine, except when it uses longjmp which has to be replaced by C++ exceptions if you want it to work, and <vector> doesn't help in that
< 1429822601 586603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I was talking about file extensions
< 1429822610 59045 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1429822612 694888 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1429822616 703360 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean no extension at all
< 1429822654 319406 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok, but ayacc won't choose any of those by default, so anyone who likes those rarer choices will hate you anyway 
< 1429822723 19813 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayacc will probably have to use either .hpp or .h by default, because those are the most common
< 1429822756 945449 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly, Eigen uses no-extension files for its public interface.)
< 1429822767 681786 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only .H C++ files I have are from an example in the ocaml source distribution...
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< 1429822808 206077 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those have all capital file names, so some case-insensitive file system was probably involved at some point.
< 1429822840 774413 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry, for some reason I find those trivial conventions quite fascinating.)
< 1429822849 533645 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what extension does that use for c++ source files
< 1429822885 461110 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :.CPP
< 1429822891 890045 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1429822903 622160 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, apparently, .CPP.gz ... to save space?!
< 1429822915 300717 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe
< 1429822920 677499 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh by the way
< 1429822964 840546 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :last week I've seen actual unix compress compressed files (with a .Z extension) on the web
< 1429822976 957149 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, like, old
< 1429823006 883950 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they weren't just named that, they were really that
< 1429823056 395845 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen such a thing yet?
< 1429823108 191210 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :found another one... https://github.com/ghc/nofib/blob/master/real/gg/gg.stdin-2.Z
< 1429823134 415082 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from the nofib benchmark suite used by ghc)
< 1429823144 988988 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1429823145 841637 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1429823183 157140 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually it's just very old software (xdu-3.0.tar.Z) or old papers from people's homepages (I have a number of foo.ps.Z)
< 1429823215 772772 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, these were old papers in ps.Z
< 1429823230 386972 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it surprised me, usually they're gzipped instead
< 1429823386 10750 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a nice headline... "Using the docker command to root the host (totally not a security issue)"
< 1429823481 585598 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(link: http://reventlov.com/advisories/using-the-docker-command-to-root-the-host )
< 1429823776 779874 :b_jonas!~x@54008776.dsl.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1429823797 924860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the docker command meant to be restricted o those with root access
< 1429823807 883146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can easily do whatever you want to the system with it anyway
< 1429823847 435102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i've not used docker but i knew that so it's probably communicated well enough already
< 1429823982 655296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to those
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< 1429828702 164215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least goldfire seems to understand what i mean :P
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< 1429833626 322477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAA
< 1429833658 652884 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBBBBBBBB
< 1429833814 466661 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429833830 55177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a long reply to spj on the flaky trac site and forgot to copy to a safe place before submitting.
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< 1429833991 202384 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42735&oldid=42540 5* 03199.21.86.10 5* (-104) 10/* if (x == 0) { code } */ This section was redundant with the "if (x) { code1 } else { code2 }" section and had the same solutions!
< 1429835080 514829 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1429835233 180242 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1429835461 783471 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay math whoooo
< 1429835615 948020 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's Elliott
< 1429835620 635082 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did he die?
< 1429835624 825886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1429835650 763239 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no 
< 1429835662 66255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ghc adding * :: * seems weird
< 1429835670 81038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess it's not exactly consistent in the first place
< 1429835698 561312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now even more so!
< 1429835704 513336 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does :: do again cause I just use it to seperate numerical values 
< 1429835713 618185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 :: Rational
< 1429835714 834007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 % 1
< 1429835719 407515 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1429835720 930520 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same
< 1429835728 678461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ?
< 1429835743 152578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: even more not exactly consistent hth
< 1429835745 979290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decim, it's type membership
< 1429835769 384330 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah so pretty much whatever im doing
< 1429835775 287140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and simultaneously type ascription...
< 1429835799 762456 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways Algorithms are hard to make
< 1429835898 777835 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That tarball thing whoever told me to make that idk it seems pretty hard to make 
< 1429836347 476650 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429836534 306304 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ
< 1429836538 634777 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1429836858 95359 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles Decim with great force
< 1429836878 535524 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1429836884 944819 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got you
< 1429837017 36937 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you outrageous villain! horrible miscreant!
< 1429837030 52577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i escaped due to boily's heroic sacrifice
< 1429837041 331084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(was it a rickroll?)
< 1429837105 624230 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chuckles
< 1429837112 919322 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed a cheer
< 1429837115 561217 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry
< 1429837184 489419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tosses Decim lightly aside
< 1429837200 585523 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I get you too?
< 1429837208 442453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT YET
< 1429837224 754115 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill get you one day
< 1429837227 909096 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways
< 1429837233 882000 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI 
< 1429837240 751592 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1429837256 395864 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cant even
< 1429837415 450365 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. understand that the mapole application was well deserved hth
< 1429837423 541015 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decim: what can't you?
< 1429837451 403596 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1429837452 52653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 240000Z 25016G24KT 15SM -SHRA SCT025 OVC040 04/M00 A2964 RMK SC3SC5 SLP037
< 1429837454 440445 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A I for compiling tarballs
< 1429837475 534895 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you believe it was snowing this morning?
< 1429837491 60200 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decim: you want artificial intelligence to compile tarballs???
< 1429837502 871305 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lazy
< 1429837541 397230 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well actually no I'm not or else I wouldn't be making artificial intelligence to compile a tarball that I could easily do in like 2 minutes
< 1429837545 851012 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess 
< 1429837556 605272 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its not that intelligent atm
< 1429837570 141326 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its more of an Artificial Dumb
< 1429837572 301669 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1429837898 880957 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A-S-S artificial stupid server
< 1429837909 103721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well it was snowing here a few hours ago
< 1429837951 227205 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels reassured there are Other Cold Places
< 1429838044 479341 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone check the weather for Pallasgreen, Limerick
< 1429838070 124784 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just call my gran but she's probably asleep
< 1429838192 768889 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limerick, as in that Island over there on the Far Side of the Great Puddle?
< 1429838231 431060 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EINN
< 1429838231 913258 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EINN 240100Z 13007KT 9999 SCT011 BKN035 08/06 Q1012 NOSIG
< 1429838371 958579 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weather Underground uses Tiobraid Arann as a reference. their source METAR is listed as AAXX sadly.
< 1429838456 270100 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great puddle
< 1429838464 457112 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I laughed a bit to hard there
< 1429838493 6778 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great job boily you made me laugh again
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< 1429840116 471688 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me something in brainfuck
< 1429840123 871630 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's super complicated
< 1429840409 50678 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ++++++++++++++++[>++>+++>++++>+++++>++++++>+++++++<<<<<<-]++++++++++++++++>>>++++++++.>>+.>+++.<+++++++.------.-.>-----.<++++++
< 1429840410 145036 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:1: parse error on input ‘++++++++++++++++’
< 1429840413 273625 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc
< 1429840418 81746 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those fucking liars
< 1429840431 232065 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a thing
< 1429840579 38639 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes away
< 1429840660 396463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much energy do you need to move everything in the universe?
< 1429840666 739194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decim: you could, like, try to remember how to actually run brainfuck in this channel. (hint: there's at least four different bots that can do it.)
< 1429840681 118207 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan
< 1429840694 267262 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the one who put that down
< 1429840705 103670 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend gave it to me
< 1429840706 548701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you are.
< 1429840712 572361 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shh my child
< 1429840717 129984 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I 
< 1429840726 64125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++++++++++++++[>++>+++>++++>+++++>++++++>+++++++<<<<<<-]++++++++++++++++>>>+++
< 1429840726 270120 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done.
< 1429840727 78178 :Neber!65a5464a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.165.70.74 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429840729 1798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++.>>+.>+++.<+++++++.------.-.>-----.<++++++
< 1429840732 890770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1429840745 672352 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan /0/
< 1429840752 851704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid line breaking
< 1429840757 170773 :Neber!65a5464a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.101.165.70.74 PART :#esoteric
< 1429840763 112561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++++++++++++++[>++>+++>++++>+++++>++++++>+++++++<<<<<<-]++++++++++++++++>>>++++++++.>>+.>+++.<+++++++.------.-.>-----.<++++++
< 1429840763 166801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Hashban
< 1429840776 63991 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol well
< 1429840804 111347 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just translating stuff for people and I need lambda's help
< 1429840817 613480 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you misses lambda bot
< 1429840886 473397 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hastebin.com/raw/fexotomulu
< 1429841001 904262 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I think I broke my ring finger
< 1429841209 596215 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have fun with that link oerjan >:|
< 1429841322 603628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT VISITING AAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1429841380 744500 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hastebin.com/raw/ejipahozup its brainfuck tho
< 1429841415 366662 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait if lambda bot is a Mrs who's the Mr
< 1429841459 844337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon
< 1429841459 985610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to see this country to go that way.  You know what happened to the Greeks.  Homosexuality destroyed them. Sure, Aristotle was a homo, we all know that, so was Socrates.
< 1429841473 784517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, nixon all right
< 1429841484 49974 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh
< 1429841487 153726 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That text
< 1429841491 910472 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes me rlly salty
< 1429841512 631007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting reaction
< 1429841544 236768 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homosexuality didn't destroy them they just made all their fucking creations out of poisonous metals and minerals
< 1429841564 552984 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh noes plutonium-76 in my drinking water
< 1429841568 20298 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well
< 1429841583 827307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure which statement is more ridiculous
< 1429841601 849150 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was the the Romans and all their fucking aquaducts
< 1429841616 610882 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I think it was the Romans
< 1429841619 770033 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nvm
< 1429841632 311445 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go about your buisness Nixon
< 1429841653 851904 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a bit worse is that they used lead(II) acetate as an artificial sweetener.
< 1429841661 319568 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cough "water gate scandal" cough cough
< 1429841663 832027 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :No really.
< 1429841669 402216 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1429841676 292898 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm that sugar tho
< 1429841682 462723 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tastes reallll good
< 1429841711 969051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the romans had sugar
< 1429841735 383760 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Jesus wasn't made of bread
< 1429841740 297363 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But who knows
< 1429841750 309790 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onii-jan
< 1429841764 480078 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yep, they had honey but no sugar.
< 1429841804 801199 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odette pls
< 1429841819 9341 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decim: nice bf script earlier. well played
< 1429841827 794515 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hue
< 1429841840 398492 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got Paul!!
< 1429841846 970494 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 2 ppl
< 1429841890 877321 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I literally only learned bf for pun reasons only
< 1429841964 58732 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1429841965 611145 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I respect that
< 1429841968 271788 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much
< 1429842039 607940 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no use for it anywhere else
< 1429842065 106805 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of my friends no what I'm talking about so I usually never bring it up in class
< 1429842082 42314 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless my IT teacher asks me then I can mess with him
< 1429842083 707827 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahah
< 1429842200 964935 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnight
< 1429842207 316805 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lads
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< 1429845286 105603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much energy do you need to move everything in the universe?
< 1429846734 982938 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends. Define "move".
< 1429846805 18352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like the force moving one object, but now I mean all objects, in the equal direction/velocity/distance as each other.
< 1429847082 218229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that correct?
< 1429847228 167834 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is it's still poorly defined. There are not absolute coordinates in the universe.
< 1429847237 797642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1429847251 230020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I ask.
< 1429847274 867820 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately the question is itself poorly defined.
< 1429847287 294500 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means it can't meaningfully be answered.
< 1429847305 822279 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How much energy do you need to flimble the flange?" is about as answerable.
< 1429847331 493279 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: exactly 7.52
< 1429847344 263766 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :next question?
< 1429847349 97150 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that energy is a unitless quantity.
< 1429847370 485353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I assumed Planck units for some reason
< 1429847380 594573 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, if your question is nonsense my answer can be nonsense
< 1429847393 158314 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Heeee.
< 1429847407 786903 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :nihongo no heeee?
< 1429847410 609200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it take more energy to move forward or to move everything else in the entire universe backward by the same amount, or does it come out the same, and does it matter what kind of geometry and infinity we have in our universe at all?
< 1429847411 491151 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Planck energy is still a unit. :)
< 1429847443 889883 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Iya, eigo no. "Hi~"-rashii no on da ga
< 1429847453 508024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I know, but I assumed that copumpkin meant 7.52 Planck units somehow
< 1429847466 569491 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :who says I didn't?
< 1429847484 535295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who says you didn't do what?
< 1429847938 159939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is total amount of momentum of everything in the universe moving together with a uniform velocity?
< 1429848027 527645 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relative to?
< 1429848192 829877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there are a few objects that don't move, relative to any one of those
< 1429848452 976261 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, everything moving at the same time within the reference frame of one single object.
< 1429848517 517855 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... believe that is actually exactly the same as situation with a single object moving relative to the rest of the objects.
< 1429848598 606159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does seem to me (although it may be a finite small group of objects), yes, it is, but, you have to show a calculation of it
< 1429848739 900632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without a calculation how do you know if it is true?
< 1429848759 472876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without a calculation, how do you know if anything is true or false?
< 1429848767 923006 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I do not know how to meaningfully express this in particular mathematically.
< 1429848794 336867 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence I am answering the result of my intuition, not giving a particularly confident answer.
< 1429848884 84537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does seems to me that it must be the same, but, I cannot prove it either. But if it is then all of the momentum of everything else relative to you must add up the same thing isn't it? But if the universe is finite then I don't expect that it will add up!
< 1429849284 687089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure; do you notice anything about this, wrong or right or seems like wrong or good or bad or whatever?
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< 1429849662 242977 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The concept of momentum is only known to me to be valid in the context of relatively me-sized obejcts. The entire universe is outside the context where I can confirm the accuracy or utility of theories invlving "momentum".
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< 1429850225 436644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read in one book, they said if the universe is infinite then there is infinite number of stars and the light of stars will be an infinite amount of energy and it won't be dark at the night time. But, can't a divergent series add up to a finite negative number? Is that where all of the "dark matter" is coming from?
< 1429850712 680043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as 2^0 + 2^2 + 2^4 + 2^6 + 2^8 + 2^10 + 2^12 + ... = -1/3
< 1429850757 605419 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the universe is infinite the size of our light cone is definitely finite, so that's... not very relevant.
< 1429850941 436944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does it stop? At the big bang? Or is it curved and doesn't need to stop?
< 1429851065 701474 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stops at about the point of recombination, where the universe first became transparent. Approx. 378,000 years into the universe.
< 1429851111 235762 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The light from this is a major component of the cosmic background radiation.
< 1429851137 621364 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duplicate_file_finders
< 1429851146 528722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so those are some reason that their reasoning of the universe cannot be infinite are also flawed reasoning. This is I read it in some philosophy book
< 1429851148 303197 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am surprised that there exists an entire Wikipedia list for this.
< 1429851244 161238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But why can such things happen anyways?
< 1429851296 95357 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the definition of a "duplicate file" varies by task
< 1429851436 172827 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For finding duplicate images, for instance, I wrote a program that reads the file and renames it by a rearranged version of its average color as RGBRGB
< 1429851497 505844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have two different compressed files with the same contents, or two different RDF files representing isomorphic RDF graphs, or two text files one with LF and one with CRLF, or one truecolor and one indexed color picture that are the same picture, or two same files which you need duplicates of since one might be modified or on a different partition or a backup or whatever
< 1429851524 705870 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1429851600 863604 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably each tool was invented by a programmer who had a task requiring a particualr definition of "same"
< 1429851769 344402 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the cave spider went through my fortress and off the edge of the map outside without killing anyone
< 1429851878 43425 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists
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< 1429852226 873694 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't we create an article named List of lists of lists that don't include themselves? 201.66.171.62 (talk) 15:04, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
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< 1429852467 943212 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on. Although a list of lists that don't include themselves is ill defined, a list of such lists is perfectly well defined, viz. the enpty list 
< 1429852476 974996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add command in AmigaMML to define just intonation and command to define binary compatibility with existing .MOD/.XM files (meaning the same track number for multi songs/multi parts)?
< 1429855001 588366 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1429856334 222827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a list of "You know you've been in Japan too long when..."
< 1429856480 511806 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a list of "you know you've been playing with tautologies too long when..."  but there's only one element: "...when you know you've been playing with tautologies too long."
< 1429856508 802100 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1429856612 481036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never been in Japan but have done some of the things listed and still do, such as, pull out your ruler to underline words, one kind of rice tastes better than another kind, recognize BGM as a meaningful genre of music, go to a book shop with the full intention to read all the interesting magazines and put them back on the shelf (except 2600 which I purchase if it is a new one)
< 1429856661 762073 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's being a cheapo
< 1429856666 318799 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelated to japan
< 1429856731 656708 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do sometimes buy books too, but often I don't buy any; they don't care as long as I do not enter the washroom or Starbucks with unpaid merchandise
< 1429856764 643265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to don't stop anyone from buying it if they do wish to buy it
< 1429857344 951974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a file in my computer titled "Book of Good Advice" which contains such things as:  A knowledge of Sanskrit is of little use to a man trapped in a sewer.  Carpe diem, carpe hunc librum.  Don't catch fire.  Dress a little better than you should, but not as well as you do.  Never sit on your baby.  Respect all life especially if it's ugly and slithers.  The customer is usually right-handed.  The best teddy bears are the live kind.
< 1429857366 423292 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't catch fire
< 1429857368 868899 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1429857370 869247 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try
< 1429857639 152077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIET is a bad word.  Always save a suicide pill for later instead of eating it now.  Don't drink water: it is too good for you.  Never dream about anyone laughing.  When you smell an odorless gas, it is probably carbon monoxide.  When opportunity knocks, check to see who it is.  It is difficult to repair a watch while falling from an airplane.  If you only do what is right, you will miss out on what is left.
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< 1429861341 385317 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ArnoldC14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42736&oldid=39379 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+10) 10Added stub to page. Only text is "ArnoldC is an esoteric programming language created with Scala by Lauri Hartikka. The source is available [https://github.com/lhartikk/ArnoldC here], along with tutorials and example programs."
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< 1429862191 593282 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 
< 1429862217 287970 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally know what monads are.
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< 1429862834 380528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure?
< 1429862890 114415 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, they are pizza.
< 1429862900 526992 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about anything.
< 1429862936 862186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pizza? Why are they pizza? I don't think so.
< 1429862946 487954 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I realize now that they are not functions.
< 1429862949 650973 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are obviously not burritos
< 1429862980 488940 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things are not burritos
< 1429863022 897283 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean many things are monads?
< 1429863075 356945 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but I can assert that if monads are not delicious they are useless at best
< 1429863148 587095 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you just have to define what 'delicious' is and I think we can put this problem to bed.
< 1429863151 787427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way to explain working of monads is if you had used other programming languages with list comprehensions
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< 1429863187 877767 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp and the likes?
< 1429863203 31178 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has exhausted his joke budget, so is no longer functional
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< 1429863242 744752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: I suppose so, well, I know there are a few.
< 1429863248 516390 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still a good pun at the end there, lifthrasiir 
< 1429863346 469480 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell most of all, I guess. For the longest time i was under the impression that monads were only a Haskell thing.
< 1429863417 319010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads can also be used with some mathematical stuff that isn't done with computer programming, too.
< 1429863490 173293 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more the logic-branch of mathematics, right?
< 1429863508 996758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is category theory
< 1429863735 726766 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Though I think I understand them, I need a better grip on the terminology, and hard practical experience, I think.
< 1429864025 555185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to monads there is comonads. Category theory is also involving functors, discrete categories, thin categories, tensor categories, forgetful functors, cartesian closed categories, etc.
< 1429864075 853387 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429864182 858191 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Above my paygrade those. I mean I just learned that they aren't burritos! Some of those things sound fascinating, though. Forgetful functions? I know about temporal logic...
< 1429864237 604673 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like paradoxes and stuff, but just that "things is true now, but not then" type thingie.
< 1429864435 177589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know some things about temporal logic and there are other kinds of logic too, such as linear logic, classical logic, intuitionistic logic, doxastic logic, modal logic, paraconsistent logic, and others.
< 1429864496 848994 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody hell. The ancient Greeks have a lot to answer for.
< 1429864556 568411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logic of the ancient Greeks is the classical logic, which still has a lot of uses, although now there are other kinds too.
< 1429864695 498047 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but if they hadn't opened their mouths we'd... I don't know where I'm going with this.
< 1429864695 641939 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot, help a guy out.
< 1429864695 958005 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn bot.
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< 1429866311 117021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: foiled by not copying and pasting hth
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< 1429880169 613171 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of moving around the tape using < and >, moving around it with scanl(x) and scanr(x). they look for the next instance of x on the tape, not counting the current cell
< 1429880335 872418 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more general version scan[rl](x, step) can be used to simulate a 3-counter machine, by having a specific symbol in the beginning of the tape, then identifiers for each of the 3 registers. going to the "top" of the register (where a numer N is stored as N "empty" and then a top marker) would be: scanl(START, 1) scanr(REG, 1) scanr(TOP, 3)
< 1429880387 818994 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to increment, use set(EMPTY) scanr(EMPTY, 1) set(TOP). decrement likewise
< 1429880434 455999 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually, I'm not sure if you can check what value is in the register...
< 1429880497 20232 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 0312Me21 5*  10New user account
< 1429880514 184726 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you had in addition of a conditional execution of if there is an X to left/right to you, as then you could just check toleft?(EMPTY, 3), and if not, then the register has value of 0
< 1429880567 103124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2015
< 1429880567 174831 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apr 18 David Wu's program (Sharp) wins the Arimaa challenge"
< 1429880585 51465 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no idea what is if the computational class for scanl, scanr(, toleft?, toright?) without the step argument
< 1429880609 772761 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42737&oldid=42492 5* 0312Me21 5* (-35) 10%0 does not ask the user, only /0 does.
< 1429880755 649929 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :w
< 1429880764 584137 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-w
< 1429881052 547352 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42738&oldid=40585 5* 0312Me21 5* (+358) 10/* What about editor of Befunge programs? */
< 1429881124 362759 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42739&oldid=42738 5* 0312Me21 5* (+100) 10/* Befunge-93 really 2d */
< 1429881477 789141 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42740&oldid=42739 5* 0312Me21 5* (+296) 10/* Befunge programs? */ new section
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< 1429882822 843419 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/purelang/pure-lang/wiki/Rewriting
< 1429882905 779715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42742&oldid=42737 5* 0312Me21 5* (-3) 100 is popped when stack is empty, unless you have a crappy interpreter
< 1429883861 190475 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is brilliant. in the windows api, if you write to a pipe and there's no reader, the write fails with the error code ERROR_NO_DATA; whereas if you read from a pipe and there's no writer, it doesn't give you eof, but instead the read fails with the error ERROR_BROKEN_PIPE.
< 1429883864 245968 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not making this up.
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< 1429885622 575659 :b_jonas!5984c526@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.132.197.38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't you just love self-documenting enum names?
< 1429885622 682300 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, that would be cool?
< 1429885699 382502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how gandhish of you.
< 1429885699 969304 :fungot!~fungot@82.68.182.43 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm surprised that latter hasn't gotten more attention. :p so where's that befunge-interpreter of yours?" " well, that's the official term. your question is, does it
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< 1429891374 496541 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello
< 1429891409 644792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1429891487 117558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if lucrezia actually expects klaus to accept her suggestion
< 1429891504 92669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it's negative psychology
< 1429891535 72928 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse psychology
< 1429891541 653996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1429891556 186318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :STUPEED ENGLISH
< 1429891639 398281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, whatever "went wrong"
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< 1429892031 8056 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not looked at the comic yet.
< 1429892051 106361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOOL!
< 1429892058 765719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(direct quote)
< 1429892063 200958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOUL!
< 1429892071 295126 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Quoting Othar)
< 1429892110 686894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, i'm out of airships to push you from hth
< 1429892113 39247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A long long time ago, maybe when he was dropped of an airship under Castle Wulfenbach?)
< 1429892127 896927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :off.
< 1429892130 323204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure he's said it more than once.
< 1429892142 389974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was the first one, i guess.
< 1429892167 492010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but that's an occasion I'm fairly sure about. Mostly my memory of the comic is quite hazy.
< 1429892182 512507 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway... back to unification...
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< 1429899425 966541 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1429899455 785476 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine, a programming language in which instead of assignment 'set x to 3' you can call things by other names 'call 3 x'
< 1429899499 15892 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that imply immutability?
< 1429899523 238684 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily
< 1429899537 811529 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do 'call 3 x' and then 'call 4 x', then x would refer to 4, and not 3 anymore
< 1429899572 735877 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or x could refer to both
< 1429899579 175514 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or throw an exception
< 1429899581 269859 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1429899615 881065 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the interpreter could determine based on context
< 1429899623 317531 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you phrase x = x * 4?
< 1429899634 346277 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :call x*4 x
< 1429899675 939813 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1429899676 836890 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should that cause infinite recursion?
< 1429899692 801561 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would and you'd have to do 'call y x' 'call y*4 x'
< 1429899723 164520 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :call x y*
< 1429899739 713365 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 'call x y' 'call y y' 'call x*4 y'
< 1429899810 846119 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so y would recursively refer to itself, but since whatever y refers to wouldn't change with each iteration, it could be ignored safely
< 1429899993 935590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the innovation here "language where you write assignment backwards"
< 1429900028 576845 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh I guess
< 1429900055 645252 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of that idea of an ironic programming language
< 1429900103 828777 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, we could have a logic system with a three-argument operator
< 1429900123 509283 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'if x then y else z' would return y if x is true, but return z otherwise
< 1429900248 128351 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not operator: if x then 0 else 1. and operator: if x then y else 0
< 1429900297 662013 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most languages call that ?:
< 1429900304 469063 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike other functionally complete sets of operators, its only element can describe the behaviour of NOT, AND, and OR operators with ease.
< 1429900363 381084 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAND definition of AND is much more complicated than using IFTHENELSE
< 1429900411 528112 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, most languages call this x ? y : z. However, imagine a language with only that.
< 1429900553 585984 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a BF derivative with it
< 1429900567 33081 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hang on, that doesn't many any sense
< 1429900571 49089 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make*
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< 1429901069 333415 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: Those look just like "let" to me
< 1429901089 176441 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the CALL syntax?
< 1429901092 208378 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :With shadowing semantics
< 1429901094 40698 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1429901121 603844 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :call x*4 x   would be equivalent to  let x = x*4; in Rust
< 1429901138 795340 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the left side of = can be a pattern too, as long as it's irrefutable
< 1429901142 974207 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-66.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429901161 909668 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any references to x before that line will still refer to the old x
< 1429901218 116839 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1429901353 646636 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my language, Harp, current program state is described by the position of the current instruction. imagine if the program state could be described by other runtime variables
< 1429901464 930123 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1429901512 663644 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is a language that has no mutability, just this kind of assignment
< 1429901706 536058 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1429901725 513318 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a language in which everything is nil.
< 1429901824 227256 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't sound very useful
< 1429901835 110506 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any program would be a no-op
< 1429901954 669206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think such thing is already in esolang wiki anyways (if I remember it correctly)
< 1429902136 29502 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not instructions, but all objects
< 1429902178 912809 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could say, 'x = 3' - and then 'y = 4'... they're all nil but different kinds of nil, so x isn't equal to y nor is it to 4, but it is to 3
< 1429902208 603253 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nil =/= nil, unless you use assignment, say x = nil, then x == nil
< 1429902222 173767 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this make sense to you? it doesn't to me
< 1429902302 734186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem sensible to me either
< 1429902339 488101 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe let's say we have literals and references. references refer to literals, like 'x = 3' would make x a reference that refers to 3
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< 1429905336 195286 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: so what would "everything is nil" mean in that context?
< 1429905438 97467 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know
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< 1429906705 170609 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MrSherlockHolmes 5*  10New user account
< 1429906846 423551 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:MrSherlockHolmes14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42743 5* 03MrSherlockHolmes 5* (+89) 10Created page with "Hello! I'm [https://scratch.mit.edu/users/MrSherlockHolmes/ MrSherlockHolmes] on Scratch."
< 1429907961 358514 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
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< 1429908947 656693 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I know MrSherlockHolmes from Scratch.
< 1429908978 162160 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:MrSherlockHolmes14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42744 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+354) 10saying hi
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< 1429910437 455418 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Rdococ14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42745 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+241) 10/* Hi guys! */ new section
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< 1429910639 109747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you any good at TeX macros
< 1429910712 549357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, I have done a lot of that
< 1429910716 724026 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1429910740 819678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you asking about?
< 1429910803 376056 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: would you know how to make a document print something like the bottom thing here: http://imgur.com/WtfBYz1
< 1429910885 513093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do that you need to add a font containing such thing.
< 1429910892 369121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has nothing to do with macros.
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< 1429911030 434371 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: aha. would macros be usable to change the number under the symbol assuming there was a font with the symbol in it?
< 1429911390 248910 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: interesting syntax, I like it
< 1429911476 115278 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's neat. what's the source on that?
< 1429911641 70187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend of mine
< 1429911811 831483 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42746&oldid=42176 5* 03168.99.197.18 5* (+62) 10/* Constants */
< 1429911884 51028 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, paul2520: he is planning to publish something about it soon at http://solidangl.es I'll let you know when it comes out
< 1429912159 361855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, macros can do that
< 1429912200 886186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can look at the source codes of Computer Modern to learn how to make the font and then you can make upside-down
< 1429912249 130453 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where do i find the sources of Computer Modern?
< 1429912320 461371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should be included with the TeX distribution
< 1429912356 59062 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this something you know how to do already? or you've never tried?
< 1429912373 310950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used METAFONT before, although not this specifically.
< 1429912429 961564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The sources of Computer Modern, together with diagrams, can also be found in Computers & Typesetting volume E; although they should be on your computer too if you have TeX)
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< 1429913112 415386 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have any idea which mf file the sqrrt symbol might be in
< 1429913161 291377 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nvm, it's in cm_base
< 1429913165 231861 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmbase
< 1429913845 253885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there's anything good about VMware Player compared to VirtualBox
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< 1429915871 709162 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that, unlike other repeat jobs in DF, a repeated pottery job will never run out of materials?
< 1429915909 163127 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1429915994 911629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :claymoreandmore
< 1429916018 486030 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you set "Collect Clay" "Make Clay crafts" on repeat, the dwarf will create an unlimited number of figurines, etc.
< 1429916071 14091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need fuel for the clay kiln though right
< 1429916107 857688 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, unless you have magma. 
< 1429916143 506477 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although even if you don't, lignite veins give a crapload of coke
< 1429916148 307998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where there is magma there is unlikely to be clay, and vice versa
< 1429916152 54590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, lignite
< 1429916157 805632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never fucking find it
< 1429916189 958923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when #esoteric DF was a thing i even modded coal into metamorphic layers because i was sick of having to use charcoal on every. single. map.
< 1429916230 48699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hobbit pun rerun
< 1429916253 396733 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually embark at either a volcano or a tropical forest (that appears to be where lignite happens)
< 1429916294 656979 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense in a world with no continent drift
< 1429916385 193541 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a normal map, volcanoes appear to mainly occur at the poles and in the middle of oceans
< 1429916496 256190 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never found magma and coal in the same place though
< 1429916567 856517 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I miss? lego rock raiders
< 1429917479 504431 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you say hobbit pun?
< 1429917509 872275 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1thhyk/the_hobbit_the_tessellation_of_smaug/
< 1429917515 182529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: irregular webcomic
< 1429917593 228198 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah i saw that one before
< 1429917632 812614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ok i don't get that pun...
< 1429917649 283163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh never mind
< 1429917652 305735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :googled
< 1429918035 97135 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... what if I simply dropped a clay floor 70 levels down to the magma level?
< 1429918070 142084 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only need a few tiles to collect clay from after all
< 1429918468 842649 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
< 1429920413 689040 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: please do let me know about that publication. looks neat
< 1429920533 766517 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ktpnccbkkuydmcld QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1429921248 731018 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :paul2520: it might be posted as soon as tonight
< 1429921292 66769 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo
< 1429921720 553969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you hate Internet Quiz Engine? It is better than OkCupid and HelloQuizzy and so on. However, currently I didn't make the program that allow to make the print-out of the quiz, yet
< 1429921734 193683 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429921798 98422 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who hates it?
< 1429921855 582083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; do you hate it?
< 1429921876 711024 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not feel any way about it.
< 1429921912 257289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you must learn. There is even one quiz of esolang that someone else made on Internet Quiz Engine; I did not make this quiz file by myself
< 1429922207 106401 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429922337 494051 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is  Internet Quiz Engine ?
< 1429922392 797658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a online quiz software written in C
< 1429922409 87190 :function!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1429922455 184446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no buffer overflows and so on, because there are no buffers, no recursion, etc, therefore it is safe from such security breaches
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< 1429923748 176879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you hate "Make every program a filter"? Why?
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< 1429924234 984534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why is Pikachu too quiet on Visual Boy Advance?
< 1429924267 35739 :cefkamcau!~cefkamcau@blp107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429924275 279343 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it's VBA at fault?
< 1429924303 934606 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429924363 337166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be; it isn't quiet on other emulators and isn't quiet on the real GameBoy
< 1429924373 890960 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1429924379 692478 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems like an odd emulator issue.
< 1429924395 62686 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it might have to do with VBA not intending to be an especially good Gameboy emulator.
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< 1429926969 725131 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :paul2520: FireFly http://www.solidangl.es/2015/04/a-radical-new-look-for-logarithms.html
< 1429927164 166052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to propose new URI scheme? Such as: temporary:// urn:null urn:bible: urn:pokemon:
< 1429927422 608118 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1429927959 576454 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Phase 5*  10New user account
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< 1429928818 74933 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heavy breathing
< 1429928965 124300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heavy Boots
< 1429929008 118558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of these kind of new URI scheme?
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< 1429929914 840845 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr my !!expensive!! headphone's earpads fell off
< 1429929923 232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, the expensiveness is not on fire)
< 1429930075 83032 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reattached, but that was annoying to do
< 1429930086 119460 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: nice!!
< 1429930089 623231 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :punny
< 1429930172 32728 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I seem to be going variably deaf in my left ear
< 1429930244 78490 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iuykeqxnxkyxogoa JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429931464 32390 :eshiffob!~cefkamcau@afqc48.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1429931517 574253 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hairs in your outer eardrum are probably dieing/breaking
< 1429931525 744723 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So hf being deaf
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< 1429932606 580005 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think wax is more likely. Although I do occasionally have brief tinnitus in either ear, which scares me
< 1429932711 745038 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have tinnitus
< 1429932737 734229 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brief or permanent?
< 1429932768 663406 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permanent, although usually I won't be noticing it
< 1429933026 397624 :Decim!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1429933349 582890 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1429934406 942851 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently elves don't mind me trading them a masterwork figurine of a cyclops striking down a fomous elf.
< 1429934422 992174 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long as the figurine isn't made of wood
< 1429934481 240217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should also depend who they are who is trading to as well as who is the figurine of
< 1429934699 80802 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD NO "The item is a well-designed image of Rakust Pagelungs and leeches in earthenware by Dumat Ilidathel. Rakust Pagelungs is surrounded by the leeches."
< 1429934753 612248 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1429934791 278922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it dumat isn't particularly fond of rakust.
< 1429934793 489926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says it is well-designed though, so, probably is not bad, but check to see if it is poison in that case it is no good, or if you don't like to collect art also it is no good
< 1429934819 106470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or sell it if the item cannot be used yourself
< 1429934913 426497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or complain......
< 1429934963 995511 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Rakust is the expedition leader. lol
< 1429935006 416625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
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< 1430088223 552101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1430088245 692265 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :prgmr moved my server and apparently they didn't start properly >: (
< 1430088259 369671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never knows when is a good time to ping Gregor 
< 1430088273 681993 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does Gregor.
< 1430088290 129942 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you /msg me instead of the channel then I'll see it later more easily *shrugs*
< 1430088296 350721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1430088301 378729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1430089306 667465 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what kind of technical measures Freenode employs to make privmsg spam unattractive.
< 1430089315 693075 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07There Once was a Fish Named Fred14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42763&oldid=34094 5* 03Charlie 5* (+558) 10
< 1430089361 905753 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Given my past experiences, my guess is "none"
< 1430089377 385639 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suspect there must be something, since the only kind of that spam that I'v ever seen were private messages in reaction to channel messages.)
< 1430089416 959549 :fizzie!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a technical reason when they K-line people after you complain about spam? 
< 1430089421 961437 :fizzie!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/reason/measure/
< 1430089449 219155 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not if it involves actual people pulling the trigger
< 1430089485 992456 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :As usual, there's no clear boundary there.
< 1430089638 886902 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's really just diligent staff combined with flood protection and obscurity of IRC.
< 1430089810 242192 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm hoping for honeypots (imagine a few idlers on ##freenode such that if any two of them get privmsged by the same user within 10 minutes, that user gets k-lined)
< 1430089837 378768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, #freenode.
< 1430089860 543613 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some description somewhere of exactly how gairaigo are produced from English words?
< 1430089933 142076 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430089943 187444 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makudonarudu?
< 1430089947 238765 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-205.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430089973 751414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, none that I know of.
< 1430089984 445227 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-205.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1430090018 921770 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pasokon!
< 1430090194 224454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, n. I guess that's better than mu.
< 1430090220 792603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which would be an extra syllable)
< 1430090338 34581 :hamrove!~hamrove@96-8-209-215.block0.gvtc.com QUIT :Quit: hamrove
< 1430090512 139427 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :パソコンㇺ
< 1430090534 630280 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to be confused with パソコンム
< 1430090669 573176 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually makudonarudo
< 1430090772 538079 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't many rules, but ending consonants are made with *u except for t which instead uses to 
< 1430090891 669029 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ending R is typically done by elongating the vowel the way people from Britain do. E.g stars -> sutaazu 
< 1430091117 423666 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, words with 'wh' begin with 'ho' e.g. whiteboard -> howaitoboodo
< 1430091150 560914 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as much as I try to really grok ソ and ン, I always mix them together.
< 1430091157 819855 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even though in mopdern english wh sounds exactlye the same as w)
< 1430091279 821906 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mostly wondering about the vowels.
< 1430091308 434209 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ソ the small stroke ends to the left of where the long stroke begins. in ン the small stroke is above the long stroke and ends above where the long stroke beigns
< 1430091379 809964 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but at a glance they're pretty much all the same, at least when using a display font.
< 1430091395 409440 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :handwritten it's a completely different matter, as stroke order isn't the same.
< 1430091426 617806 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does /æ/ become "a" or "e"? Do /ɑː/ and /ɒ/ become "a" or "aa"? Does /iː/ always become "ii"? Are /ɜr/ and /ər/ always "aa"?
< 1430091440 333209 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on and so forth forever.
< 1430091501 74010 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it probably depends on whether the individual words was imported from Britain or America (or in many cases Germany)
< 1430091525 69074 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/æ/ becomes a. /ɑː/ and /ɒ/ usually become o (IIRC). /iː/ iifies, and the latter aa.
< 1430091547 207105 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aa, from the verb "to aa": to become aa.)
< 1430091600 361713 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "father" and "wasp" become "fozaa" and "wosupu"?
< 1430091626 72697 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1430091675 511503 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently it is faazaa
< 1430091683 746603 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :faazaa makes sense.
< 1430091690 367330 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :different accent, see!!?!
< 1430091716 520265 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, English has too many vowels.
< 1430091718 904458 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like to point out that my English accent is unreliable at best
< 1430091723 596695 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has so many vowels that nobody knows how many vowels it has.
< 1430091748 712179 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done a count for my accent of 14
< 1430091751 456548 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme see exactly how many vowels my particular accent has.
< 1430091828 410294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :vowels are in too continuous to be able to make discrete counts, really
< 1430091833 379799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in//
< 1430091854 133930 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me, they're definitely discrete.
< 1430091898 558637 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my previous count disagrees with my current count
< 1430091908 189406 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 TOPIC #esoteric :Vowel Continuum | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/
< 1430091940 279215 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :<tswett> So "father" and "wasp" become "fozaa" and "wosupu"?
< 1430091942 67966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha
< 1430091949 955309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are totally different vowel sounds for me
< 1430091963 890362 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :/æ/, /ɑ/, /ɔː/, maybe /ə/, /ɪ/, /iː/, /eɪ/, /ɛ/, /ər/, /ʌ/, /ʊ/, /uː/, I'm not counting /juː/, /aɪ/, /ɔɪ/...
< 1430091997 516518 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they're totally different vowel sounds for a lot of people, but Japanese is inevitably going to round some distinct pairs of English vowels to the same Japanese vowel.
< 1430092022 617172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1430092036 247345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed this was some foolhardy phonetic standardisation attempt :/
< 1430092067 794071 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :/oʊ/, /aʊ/, /ɑr/, /ɪər/, /ɛər/, /ɔr/, /ʊər/, I'm not counting /jʊər/ either.
< 1430092163 284414 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ʉ/ also.
< 1430092169 613712 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have 21 in total, 15 non-rhotic and 6 rhotic.
< 1430092230 493829 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm including /ə/ in that count because even in very careful speech I sometimes pronounce it distinctly from /ʌ/.
< 1430092240 934258 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I have 16 total
< 1430092347 331526 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat kate cart pet peat kit kite bird cot coat court cook cow cut coot cute cure
< 1430092348 155624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't even know how to count
< 1430092354 292241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a "Advanced Modular Music"; which is based on a sample ROM (of mono 8-bit or 16-bit samples), a sample header list (the offset, looping, center frequency, and auto-vibrato settings), a memory map of several registers per channel, and a 6502 code to control the register writes.
< 1430092365 821778 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that's 17
< 1430092367 810180 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit
< 1430092385 471503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kite's a diphthong right
< 1430092389 551229 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah.
< 1430092406 568389 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. can't count how many I distinguish.
< 1430092408 350594 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like cut + keet
< 1430092422 34156 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin_: ooh, you sound like a Canadian raiser.
< 1430092435 913858 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I do have a split that might be unusual.
< 1430092448 707716 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me, the words "holy" and "lowly" don't rhyme.
< 1430092457 579623 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :My best attempt at representing the distinction in IPA...
< 1430092489 363249 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/holi/, /lʌwli/?
< 1430092498 527040 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"holy" is /hɔli/, "lowly" is /louli/.
< 1430092505 213786 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that.
< 1430092509 416204 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to use [] instead of //.
< 1430092528 299732 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a monophthongization of /oʊ/ before /l/.
< 1430092656 706657 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, for me holy would rhyme with loli but now lowly
< 1430092677 843041 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/now/not/
< 1430092690 27603 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowly has a w
< 1430092743 606839 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin_: do "bowl" and "pole" rhyme for you?
< 1430092748 722399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The register per channel includes: 16.16 fixed point frequency, sample number, volume control, filter cutoff, filter resonance, filter mode (low-pass, high-pass, or off), and one register per pair of channels to activate FM synthesis and set the feedback amount. Each channel also has command registers to reset the phase and to multiply/divide the frequency quickly.
< 1430092754 164958 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1430092776 92626 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sound like "holy", I imagine?
< 1430092796 816056 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1430092867 29285 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it sounds different becuase the ly in lowly is like another, uh, word-part while holy is all one word
< 1430092871 655254 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1430093005 704940 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.   here's something I've noticed. some people rhyme poor with lure while others rhyme it with bore
< 1430093028 452593 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rhyme it with lure
< 1430093184 453704 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had to change the way English vowels are written to match my personal accent... let's see.
< 1430093544 533285 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :/æ/ a, /ɑ/ á, /ɛ/ e, /eɪ/ é, /ɪ/ i, /iː/ í, /ʌ/ o, /ɔː/ ó, /ʊ/ u, /uː/ ú, /aɪ/ ay, /ɔɪ/ oy, /aʊ/ aw, /oʊ/ ow, /ɑr/ ar, /ɛər/ er, /ɪər/ ir, /ɔr/ or, /ʊər/ ur
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< 1430097733 476398 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily!
< 1430097748 220015 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the best food only available on great britain
< 1430097846 241320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is boily qualified to answer that
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< 1430097953 40565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something highly perishable that can neither be made outside of GB nor exported...
< 1430098206 544514 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my whole fort is turning green with vomit
< 1430098215 109127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm asking because i want to know what i should get shipped
< 1430098224 397531 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...not that
< 1430098320 23943 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :irish beer
< 1430098359 626276 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you sid GB not the british isles
< 1430098377 574159 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english aren't really known for their food you know
< 1430098382 119766 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIA!
< 1430098405 432705 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeh... I wonder if cornish pastries are mainlonly available there.
< 1430098451 558657 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin_: roast beef.
< 1430098455 130552 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i can make those at home 
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< 1430110487 306523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a idea which is a program to be converted into another program, which on alternating steps runs the first program and tries to find a proof that the first program will not halt (such a proof might not exist though, or it might not be able to find one).
< 1430110566 710673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to do it?
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< 1430113564 490509 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Muckefuck means chicory coffee in German?
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< 1430113596 817014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I am not German
< 1430113893 450855 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says so, but it may be vandalism...
< 1430113928 39398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have history look and also look Wiktionary
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< 1430114565 26296 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I can find on Google, muckefuck is a coffee substitute of some kind, at least
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< 1430120353 906950 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protip: くdiv> isn't a html tag
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< 1430120766 951307 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither, for that matter, is <dⅳ>
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< 1430121696 5133 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is if you have unicode -> ascii replacements turned on in your parser .
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< 1430123937 740321 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed is the best editor for editing CSV files.
< 1430124079 637986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to find fault in that idea, but I will still object on the principle that any sentence starting with "ed is the best editor" must somehow be wrong. :)
< 1430124156 329714 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's the only situation in which you work primarily on lines, rather than paragraphs or blocks
< 1430124331 230769 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.default.hacksoc.uk0.bigv.io QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1430124344 483439 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, I was reformatting a html table into a csv file, then adding javascript to convert it back at runtime
< 1430124391 808317 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way it is much easier to add/remove rows
< 1430124409 526253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin_: you can still use ex for that
< 1430124430 671 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, I keep forgetting that.
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< 1430124860 15872 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, my ed is an alias for rlwrap ed -p$'\33[31med:\33[0m '
< 1430124891 129994 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has command history and a red ed: prompt
< 1430124894 515492 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is vi just an ed frontend?
< 1430124917 273498 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was originally a mod
< 1430125045 847392 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ed is the best editor" is wrong. <- so this sentence would be wrong as well.
< 1430125125 215473 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way ! allows you to use the shell from ed
< 1430125278 419014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used ed.
< 1430125490 519524 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a learning curve, but I use it anytime i'm editing a line-oriented format
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< 1430125845 370109 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you may know more about ed than you realize; a significant number of vi commands originate in ed.
< 1430125935 805407 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use vim.
< 1430125968 449895 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to use vi
< 1430125980 83365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could write me an ed-like editor with haskeline
< 1430125999 856064 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :called "edeline"
< 1430126042 809880 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hedlin
< 1430126094 133121 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google edlin
< 1430126094 919970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edlin
< 1430126095 81035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Edlin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< 1430126335 228409 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, has that feature been abused for bot loops?
< 1430128461 629362 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEO seems a lot of effort to just make a bot loop.
< 1430128910 884501 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CalScript14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42764 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+90) 10Created CalScrupt
< 1430128969 414707 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42765&oldid=42718 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+16) 10/* C */ Added CalScript (will add info to page later)
< 1430129292 585517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there's a new OOTS strip
< 1430129477 710929 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, there's a new IWC strip as well
< 1430129487 276627 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Homestuck is back, too!
< 1430129495 129413 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the world is coming to an end!
< 1430129508 360694 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I knew about IWC
< 1430129522 868592 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: also, Debian Jessie is released, and gcc 5.1 was released some weeks ago
< 1430129534 547255 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought gcc 5.1 was like last week?
< 1430129552 266560 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, 5 days ago
< 1430129554 255995 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42766&oldid=42110 5* 03Charlie 5* (+346) 10Added a fizzbuzz example
< 1430129586 158378 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fish14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42767&oldid=42766 5* 03Charlie 5* (+5) 10Formatting :$
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< 1430133016 750756 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask fungot do you read your messages?
< 1430133016 912451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1430133017 266399 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: very language has it's strength, and it's driving me a little version of the white box) it disappears? :p) but i'd forget some key thing i decided on define-c-struct.) the name of the yield expression.
< 1430133063 330448 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A yield expression by any other name will generate as much.
< 1430133642 83602 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is inhibition pronounced as if spelled hinibition?
< 1430133842 728291 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I only know how I pronounce it. other people appear to disagree
< 1430133922 697736 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh i see, somehow I imported the french spelling
< 1430133996 391105 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't they spelled the same in French and English?
< 1430134050 216150 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1430134061 497360 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "hinibition"
< 1430134063 207359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.ee/patents/EP0941733A3?cl=fr
< 1430134063 368683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Patent EP0941733A3 - Proc�d�s d'hinibition de l'exportation de prot�ine...
< 1430134090 867467 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...???
< 1430134111 978961 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I dunno where I got "hinibition" but that is how i say it
< 1430134154 619991 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wrote «hinibition.» google translate says «Essayez avec cette orthographe : inhibition». I don't know what to believe.
< 1430134176 368056 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it flows more naturlly than saying inhibition... my tongue trips over the n followed by h
< 1430134216 504092 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unvoice the "n" hth
< 1430134221 718121 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that my dialect has an h
< 1430134284 109461 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i think brits are like, "ello" and im like uh, "Hhhhhello"
< 1430134310 487305 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to grab a dead-tree-pulp dictionary and find information about words with wandering hes.
< 1430134316 194591 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: HAPPENING CHICKEN
< 1430134321 496497 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how the heck do you unvoice an N
< 1430134352 334048 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430134365 550277 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that just amount to blowing yourn nose?
< 1430134463 673351 :fizzie!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Quit: jumpin' jumpin'
< 1430134471 865942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430134500 270407 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-load
< 1430134500 434487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily asked 24m 43s ago: do you read your messages?
< 1430134566 116129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That would've been better if I hadn't had to disreconnect to get rid of the unseemly ~ in my user name.)
< 1430134748 880327 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1430135047 582754 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca NICK :orin
< 1430135254 704210 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430136108 947692 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430137473 231261 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@ask fungot do you read your massages?
< 1430137473 392604 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ( reading the above article.) ( 1 2 3
< 1430137494 255221 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there is a 6-month time limit to bank a cheque
< 1430137506 276122 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am glad I was not three days later otherwise I would have found out the hard way
< 1430138960 934039 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430139388 831630 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Any movie recommendations?
< 1430139389 102417 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: neutral, of course. it's not that hard to read imo.
< 1430139406 724142 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'll read books then.
< 1430139810 892302 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1430140230 48422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:ASCII art14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42768 5* 0372.10.97.6 5* (+163) 10yes
< 1430140465 362687 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1430142036 273736 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Lazy evaluation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42769&oldid=31644 5* 0372.10.97.6 5* (+116) 10/* I request that more be written for this article! */ new section
< 1430142067 812807 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can be crazy like fungot and read all of europarl.
< 1430142067 973897 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: what about banana-0?
< 1430142950 714845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Is that what they talk about in the EU parliament? 
< 1430142950 931614 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: closing ports and the global time will tick each time something is fnord
< 1430143129 491214 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430143327 906325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430143539 931051 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a programming language indistinguishable from things said in #esoteric
< 1430143559 221752 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hthlang
< 1430143579 814315 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x equals 5 hth
< 1430143586 946126 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print x twh
< 1430143603 310973 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :every line ending with hth is a comment
< 1430143610 805911 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1430143614 132179 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes oerjan a comment.
< 1430143619 89643 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every fact has to end with hth
< 1430143630 130678 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and every request with twh
< 1430143646 964379 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1430143676 591383 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could oerjanize(tm) prolog
< 1430144603 661153 :Patashu_!HydraIRC@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1430144856 752209 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430145274 678679 :v4s!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1430145279 524775 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan hth
< 1430145280 300823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1430145811 731653 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1430145907 614344 :v4s!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430146184 832326 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430146552 984137 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430146997 837708 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.167.25.114 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430147042 800699 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.167.25.114 NICK :Guest1367
< 1430147199 309981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 981
< 1430147217 944513 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 981: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1430147520 791029 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430147657 566860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430147819 902474 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430147983 559283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1430148124 138099 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "Progress in mathematics is often obtained by finding the right notation.
< 1430148125 981950 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1430148131 744343 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :llasukka
< 1430148133 938015 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  │                          | (~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover) has    │ Vorp
< 1430148137 701348 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1430148139 849286 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry!
< 1430148145 910305 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M. Kline, Mathematics from Ancient to Modern Times. Oxford, U.K.: Oxford Univ. Press, 1972
< 1430148195 32834 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I figured you might appreciate the quote based on the blog post from last week)
< 1430148245 132039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lazy evaluation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42770&oldid=21440 5* 03GermanyBoy 5* (+15) 10completed the request
< 1430149252 122627 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still cant thim
< 1430149267 747424 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of a better notation than that one
< 1430149959 857867 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1430150764 727234 :Guest1367!~sprocklem@199.167.25.114 QUIT :Quit: [
< 1430150784 508789 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430151158 176110 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah, I really enjoyed that read
< 1430151163 947710 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is, math is so ingrained
< 1430151169 921973 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but definitely this is good to stir up discussion
< 1430151174 83667 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you posted it to reddit at all?
< 1430151214 396769 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430153535 830509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430153883 827674 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1430154272 909956 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1430154301 290934 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :paul2520: no i don't think it's been posted there. feel free to do so.
< 1430154379 747086 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you write the blog post?
< 1430154468 135816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1430154475 91881 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see
< 1430154521 531991 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i searched reddit for "logarithm" and there's nothing posted there recently with that subject
< 1430154859 679276 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lazy evaluation14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42771&oldid=42770 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+137) 10
< 1430155359 270693 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://redd.it/341ugi
< 1430155392 470447 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy way to find if an article has been posted to reddit is to type in your address bar redd.it/http://www.solidangl.es/2015/04/a-radical-new-look-for-logarithms.html
< 1430155787 370884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430155804 495729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect it to work and it doesn't; but...in the browser I use you can't type anything into the address bar anyways, you have to type it into the command bar and it still just result "file not found"
< 1430155855 368036 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1430155882 352662 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm worked for me
< 1430155956 95614 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help
< 1430155974 303550 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person whom my user page claims not to be an esolanger IS MAKING AN ESOLANG
< 1430155996 978445 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1430156009 501982 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Taneb
< 1430156010 414849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then maybe your user page is wrong
< 1430156015 163647 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<Sourceless> Taneb is made of magic and probably rubber bands
< 1430156015 324541 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who to my knowledge is not an esolanger."
< 1430156053 292795 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-198-142.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :plot twist: both lines are wrong
< 1430156068 651757 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I am in fact made of magic and probably rubber bands
< 1430156101 549230 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: also the number of false statements so far has been odd
< 1430156139 124255 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!Taneb
< 1430156144 320311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1430156210 241941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, finally the cake is working. I was worried...
< 1430156237 50394 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :paul2520: ok
< 1430156990 213631 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1430157056 74766 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430157222 892960 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.fogus.me/2015/04/27/six-works-of-computer-science-fiction/
< 1430157722 112142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430157858 635992 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1430157907 628990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know this code?   35003C4187F2CD2193B440CD21
< 1430158278 159587 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1430158334 49912 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430158444 232194 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks familiar
< 1430158562 31856 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. CD21
< 1430158648 319070 :spiette!~spiette@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430159026 425510 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should really be a C3 at the end though, it's not good style to execute random data
< 1430159206 334323 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1430159227 888265 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1430159249 213432 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean it's a DOS com file?
< 1430159308 285498 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. It makes a few common but undocumented assumptions (CX = 00FF and SI=0100 at program start; it also assumes AX=0000 but that is actually assured if the program got no arguments)
< 1430159846 990225 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fish14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42772&oldid=42767 5* 03Charlie 5* (+242) 10Added another interpreter.
< 1430159967 81928 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430160061 568211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait, so it starts XOR AX, 3C00H: INC CX: XCHG SI,DX: INT 21
< 1430160325 953790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say AX starts as 0, so that would make AH=3C, DOS2 style create file, DX points to filename, but DX is 0100h so the filename is "5" (so that's why it's an XOR instruction instead of MOV)
< 1430160373 529809 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will presumably set AX to the file descriptor number, say 5
< 1430160401 519275 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430160576 81698 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1430160631 449385 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then XCHG BX,AX: MOV AH,40H: INT 21H
< 1430160714 581976 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that calls the function 40H for writing into a file (dos2 style), which takes the file handle in BX which is where this moves it, and the pointer to data in DX which is still the start of the code, 
< 1430160742 548385 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the length is in CX and it's 0100H
< 1430160760 395160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess this is a quine that writes the first 256 bytes of the COM file to the file "5"
< 1430160765 663355 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it needs a return at the end
< 1430161001 652491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it is a "Trivial.13" virus
< 1430161031 246193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"virus"
< 1430161084 726889 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com NICK :`^_^v
< 1430161167 472535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This virus spreads by attaching its code to other files on your PC or network. Some of the infected programs might no longer run correctly."
< 1430161173 129101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right...
< 1430161186 637694 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovely generic descriptions.
< 1430161188 132540 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :-s
< 1430161239 717461 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Detection added: 01 Jan 1970 01:00 GMT"
< 1430161347 752053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read in some book at the library I think that mentioned this was the shortest computer virus, but the codes were not printed in the book, so I tried to find it so that I can study it, and then I did so
< 1430161533 761567 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a TRIVIAL description, lol
< 1430161716 162024 :nszceta!~nszceta@5ED062E5.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1430161964 21362 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-17-66.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430162674 919004 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 41 bytes one from http://vxheaven.org/vl.php?dir=Virus.DOS.Small at least tries...
< 1430162701 174925 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it looks for a file *.e* and places a matching .com file besides it)
< 1430162714 784286 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430162798 412772 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about shutdown?
< 1430162802 146283 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it needs a 386 to run)
< 1430162821 210826 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shutdown/
< 1430162822 438347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1430162855 84757 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some weird reason, Windows decided it was a good idea to let 'shutdown' command exist.
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< 1430162868 180147 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can be useful, but since it cant really be stopped
< 1430162875 948085 :rdococ!5219f1b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.25.241.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg
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< 1430168695 428853 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: great discussion on the reddit post! http://redd.it/341ugi
< 1430168812 724854 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430168936 999554 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I like this. I'll start using it whenever I write math that I don't need to show to other people"
< 1430168961 767040 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
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< 1430171808 237992 :FanFL!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone on?
< 1430171815 759033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes
< 1430171819 459907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome FanFL 
< 1430171820 461263 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02FanFL: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09<http://esolangs.org/>. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.)
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< 1430171846 146992 :FanFL!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol thank you for the warm welcome
< 1430171865 244228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lo
< 1430171865 405246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman said 7h 23m 6s ago: hth
< 1430171877 284995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new relcome is so ordered. :/
< 1430171892 258407 :FanFL!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it against community values to ask for help beta testing an interpreter?
< 1430171899 200970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1430171918 658211 :FanFL!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a Funge-98 interpreter
< 1430171922 100216 :FanFL!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its going really well
< 1430171923 35589 :FanFL!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1430171923 710713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no response guaranteed
< 1430171928 374981 :FanFL!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its been just me testing it
< 1430171928 980734 :FanFL!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1430171938 295178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use Mycology.
< 1430171942 396796 :FanFL!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure I have to get some users or I'll find out that my UI is crap
< 1430171954 168842 :FanFL!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a full IDE
< 1430171977 355383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, Mycology wouldn't be testing that.
< 1430171985 883028 :FanFL!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny you should mention it
< 1430171992 849541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But you could at least verify the interpretation part.)
< 1430171997 361073 :FanFL!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm currently running through mycology right now
< 1430172026 399350 :FanFL!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BAD: 4k #..." is confusing me a bit
< 1430172064 891669 :FanFL!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the position of the IP is not supposed to be altered by whatever happens inside of k right?
< 1430172091 735470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been all manner of debates about corner cases involving k, to be honest.
< 1430172129 669505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the consensus is that the standard is too ambiguous there.
< 1430172151 509997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The k "Iterate" instruction pops a value n off the stack. Then it finds the next instruction in Funge-space in the path of the IP (note that this cannot be a marker such as space or ;), treats it as an instruction, executing it n times. This takes only one tick with respect to concurrent operation.
< 1430172156 517108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that some instructions don't make much sense within the context of k unless you include zero as one of the possibilities for how many times the instruction is repeated. For example, no matter how many times after the first time k execute ^, the result is the same. However, you may pass a zero count to k, and the ^ instruction will not be executed; this can be a valuable behaviour.
< 1430172162 535972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, note k will never, ever actually execute instruction #32, space, or ;."
< 1430172165 51387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all it says.
< 1430172299 415568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of # it says: "moves the IP one position beyond the next Funge-Space cell in its path". I think you can make the case that k# should be capable of doing j-like things.
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< 1430172342 638626 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, wow, back
< 1430172348 582485 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet connection is terrible
< 1430172350 774797 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1430172366 396684 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edge cases involving k
< 1430172386 265755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ to check what you missed. I pasted a chunk that's probably too long to re-paste.
< 1430172443 189980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Taneb> It's like the world is coming to an end! <-- YOU THINK SO TOO?
< 1430172443 401869 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1430172467 887023 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes
< 1430172491 212946 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rcfunge98.com/tutorial4.html
< 1430172495 520542 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in here it says that 
< 1430172496 143061 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1430172496 408530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 272150Z AUTO VRB05G15KT 9999 BKN120 16/06 Q1001
< 1430172508 119226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1430172508 408689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 272120Z 23006KT 9999 FEW050 BKN180 07/M00 Q1004 RMK WIND 670FT 27002KT
< 1430172523 323697 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :important piece of the puzzle, the 'k' command does NOT move the IP when it executes the iterated command, the IP is pointing at the 'k' command not the command it is executing.
< 1430172529 235413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well we still don't have an alderaan forecast hth
< 1430172553 717474 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I just reading that wrong?
< 1430172569 37561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FanFL_: Well, you're reading it in one way.
< 1430172580 268411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FanFL_: I think the argument here is that while k does not move the IP, the # will.
< 1430172596 719721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make k create nose daemons and call it a day.
< 1430172609 142916 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: perhaps I'm reading mycology wrong
< 1430172637 410757 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: when it says BAD: 4k # does nothing and hits #
< 1430172658 337462 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it saying that it is wrong that 4k# does nothing and it is wrong that it hits #
< 1430172679 983250 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I answered my own question
< 1430172689 60796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think that's what it is saying. FWIW, there's a number of k-# tests it does.
< 1430172715 77355 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunatly those all pass
< 1430172750 250060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GOOD: 2k# jumps twice from k" and "BAD: 2k# jumps twice from #", for example.
< 1430172763 109325 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: On a social note, whats your connection with Funge 98?
< 1430172766 789087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the goal with "4k #" (with the space) is to make sure k is executing the # and not the ' '.
< 1430172793 36314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing official. I wrote a bot with it, people seem to like it.
< 1430172799 387475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Say something bright, would you? 
< 1430172799 574350 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ive been working on a p2p app and that seemed to you like it
< 1430172812 99687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yeah, it's not very good at impressing on command.
< 1430172813 953311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1430172814 198147 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
< 1430172816 169338 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wait
< 1430172835 165715 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does k move the IP an extra cell?
< 1430172861 251606 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it usually execute the next instruction top + 1 times, if the instruction doesn't effect the IP
< 1430172866 750384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It should not. Hence the thing about "5kX" executing X 6 times.
< 1430172916 854198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot o fungot
< 1430172917 102816 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: by the way.) you should _not_ introduce any more syntax than needed! hah! :-p cool.
< 1430172931 251984 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: with the code and nothing else on the stack, where does this end up "11kj^v<>"
< 1430172970 795974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FanFL_: Gblh. Up, I think.
< 1430172981 20320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FanFL_: Should have the same effect as 1j except from the k.
< 1430173000 578703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google Gblh
< 1430173003 545170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.anagrammer.com/scrabble/gblh
< 1430173003 706453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: GBLH Definition, Anagrams, and related Scrabble word finder for GBLH
< 1430173052 763075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cake!
< 1430173052 924115 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess here at the end of the page answers all of this
< 1430173053 544562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Gblh but less helpful.
< 1430173054 561859 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rcfunge98.com/tutorial4.html
< 1430173063 115231 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'gblh': Gblh but less helpful.
< 1430173110 934811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether the monks have any ... free ... padded cells.
< 1430173140 74800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FanFL_: FWIW, I don't think that tutorial is really normative. But I agree with it.
< 1430173166 247141 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by normative?
< 1430173214 497746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i wonder if the monks did something to knock them out, or if it was agatha's locket reactivating
< 1430173229 480015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. Capable of dictating how the language should behave. Like the spec document is, in theory.
< 1430173230 45996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(klaus/gil _was_ touching it...)
< 1430173238 125609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: cake!
< 1430173253 180315 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's my theory)
< 1430173257 333694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ooh
< 1430173274 493738 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh! a question that has been on my mind for a while. What is Funge-108/109?!
< 1430173299 998298 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It is mentioned in cfunge and rc-funge but I cannot find documentation about it anywhere
< 1430173317 316292 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I got the feeling it was talked about in some email back and forth and shoved under a rug
< 1430173331 504429 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or maybe I am just not cool enough to have found it searching through search engines...
< 1430173381 605934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm does that mean _all_ the main characters in the room are now going down?
< 1430173390 46861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose we'll see
< 1430173393 113321 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think recent Girl Genius comics are really highlighting that we are reading one of the Heterodyne stories
< 1430173418 64024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: wat
< 1430173491 169867 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it's the same sort of tone, sparks save the world from the Other with mad science
< 1430173512 560346 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070119 may not be relevant, after all *that* was a pie :)
< 1430173567 830870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FanFL_: There was an attempt (here, on the channel) to define a less ambiguous standard, somewhen 2008-ish.
< 1430173607 847198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FanFL_: It didn't really go anywhere. There was a draft text or a few.
< 1430173610 591240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! did people start to refer to it as Funge-11x when you couldn't complete it in time?
< 1430173617 913972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: different application method.  also that spark supposedly went to england.
< 1430173638 432587 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but we don't know what happened to the recipe :)
< 1430173651 273784 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430173675 2803 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's really more of a random association, I don't see a connection inside the story
< 1430173694 223465 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thats kind of disapointing to hear...
< 1430173704 241291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FanFL_: There's also a Befunge-111, FWIW.
< 1430173710 517792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well there _is_ the "phil and kaja are professors at transylvania polygnostic" conceit, i guess.
< 1430173711 982882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the link to that draft seems to be dead too.
< 1430173775 419945 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Even on achrive sites?
< 1430173781 581071 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the final storyline will reveal the fate of Bill and Barry, possibly with their triumphant return and/or tragic tragedy
< 1430173805 755877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wayback Machine doesn't have that page archived."
< 1430173823 480098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FanFL_: Funge-108 was mostly by Vorpal, the cfunge author, while Befunge-111 was by cpressey, the... well, the Befunge-93/98 author.
< 1430173853 797640 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe I'll email them and ask them about it
< 1430173884 285481 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, I should really finish -98 before I try to move on to -11X
< 1430173905 454455 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Stephen Wolfram
< 1430173906 175801 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him.
< 1430173907 616499 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm just obsessed. Its great.
< 1430173918 199614 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Charles Moore is also an esolanger with too much money and power
< 1430173931 660912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the Funge-108 links I have are also (a) dead, and (b) not archived by archive.org.
< 1430173953 582433 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Last thing before I stop bothering you all, scary moment. Can I share a screen shot of my program with you?
< 1430173966 903287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008, the dark age of the internet
< 1430173984 232355 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1430173984 850230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but best share it with the channel. I'm not the only befunge person here, even if I seem to be making the most noises at the moment.
< 1430174023 305063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Given how the latest fungot commit is from 2013, I'm not sure I can even call myself a Befunge person very much longer.)
< 1430174023 466220 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or at least language specs for smith?
< 1430174403 454444 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do people here hate imgur for sharing images?
< 1430174417 541369 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like it because you can copy and paste from the clipboard
< 1430174573 30111 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PART :#esoteric
< 1430174581 685256 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430174599 696244 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people are okay with imgur?
< 1430174721 4036 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, it seems mentioning the word cleared out everyone....
< 1430174727 773847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been at least a thousand imgur links on the channel already, go for it.
< 1430174776 485048 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/1Fbdrxv.png?1
< 1430174789 705716 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A terrifying moment but you know what, I am confident and proud of my work so far
< 1430174812 360599 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This awesome thing is the best thing I've ever created in my life.
< 1430174850 12995 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It features cut, copy, paste, being able to set the direction of the editing IP
< 1430174870 877347 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making you able to typing North,East,South, or West
< 1430174885 398361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also syntax highlighting, very fancy.
< 1430174903 162389 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS!
< 1430174915 819692 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the picture on the right shows that you can select areas of funge and edit negative funge space directly
< 1430174934 801707 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also allows you to navigate to anywhere in funge space and view it
< 1430174946 201078 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the edges of fungespace
< 1430174960 470868 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"negative funge space" is the part with negative coordinates?
< 1430174965 33234 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1430174971 686596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always kind of wanted a Befunge editor where you could associate comments with arbitrary regions, perhaps indicated by subtle background colors. And shown somewhere. I don't know where. I don't have a good vision about this, really.
< 1430174978 520106 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone ought to make ColorFUNGE in the same line as ColorFORTh
< 1430175000 349660 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that once for a Funge-98 for RISC OS
< 1430175005 973884 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine might include that too one day
< 1430175017 933169 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the commenting parts
< 1430175027 356797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good for documentation, stuff like http://sbp.so/qsort
< 1430175038 707023 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah, it would suit Funge because colorforth uses fixed size pages to store code, and old befunge has a fixed rectangle
< 1430175048 366527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did something quite similar to a piece of code, too, and then managed to completely lose it.
< 1430175130 47274 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to download a copy you'll need Visual Studio 2012, .NET something or other, and this link https://github.com/tngreene/BefungeSharp!
< 1430175139 597521 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets try that again
< 1430175144 715546 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to download a copy you'll need Visual Studio 2012, .NET something or other, and this link https://github.com/tngreene/BefungeSharp
< 1430175162 352525 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it so the color codes consume a cell though!
< 1430175185 506096 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :except at the beginning of a line where it's free
< 1430175190 15856 :hamrove!~hamrove@96-8-209-215.block0.gvtc.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430175191 993226 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its coded in C# and uses the Console. It was quite a twisting to make the console act like this
< 1430175212 71323 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, in the spirit of ColorFORTH, different characters have different widths
< 1430175217 153492 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: EXPLOSIVE CHICKEN
< 1430175220 958157 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And heights
< 1430175249 292025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure, we need double-height rows, and shift codes not only for color, but also for double width 
< 1430175300 62635 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1430175304 736111 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :double width wouldn't be shift codes
< 1430175323 945892 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a character meaning "stretch the next character to this cell"
< 1430175338 75906 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think?
< 1430175394 609408 :FanFL_!47a9a519@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.169.165.25 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1430175422 504413 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I was trying to reference ColorFORTH's variable-width huffman-style encoding
< 1430175429 213715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1430175432 265575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1430175434 335782 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does that
< 1430175438 52387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1430175495 267426 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't it only do that to store the names of symbols, which mostly aren't used for execution, and the actual pages just contain a list of words that refer to symbols?
< 1430175504 235224 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, a list of fixed size words.
< 1430175519 504267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I don't really know how colorforth works
< 1430175522 419600 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to either
< 1430175677 924694 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll head to bed now
< 1430175679 387164 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight!
< 1430175765 457399 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge befuddled
< 1430175843 350505 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\x2b\x2f
< 1430175844 526974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : <hint>:1:10:
< 1430175844 688339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :     lexical error in string/character literal at end of input
< 1430175852 399907 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuckin'.
< 1430175853 574038 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\x2b\x2f"
< 1430175854 812110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+/"
< 1430175899 715634 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"IMPLOSIVE CHKN"
< 1430175899 877284 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430176332 194349 :spatterworthy!621cff0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.28.255.13 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430176738 667527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430177068 325665 :hamrove!~hamrove@96-8-209-215.block0.gvtc.com QUIT :Quit: hamrove
< 1430177481 424101 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1430177985 246963 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1430179218 798430 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tcbfcomkcegquyfs QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1430179445 92223 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430180490 649642 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :;5uv-o
< 1430180492 337088 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1430180688 656435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may have to change your password
< 1430181676 283126 :spatterworthy!621cff0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.28.255.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1430181684 3966 :spatterworthy!621cff0d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.28.255.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn doesn't exist
< 1430183000 97113 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1430183000 312000 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1430183234 929316 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvljgcadrmtpmybn JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430183799 512684 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1430185198 623711 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
< 1430186410 893811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1430191878 252117 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
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< 1430196498 483261 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1430198151 276491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430198430 913735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way to do color codes in cells is to use the PC memory format, so there is a color code in each cell
< 1430199025 935370 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :color codes for text or graphics?
< 1430199197 603669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Color codes for text is what I meant
< 1430199254 828796 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1430199296 772383 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah ncurses does that  IIRC, you | the color into the character you write 
< 1430199321 691573 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whcih implies the higher bits are used for color
< 1430199446 806796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean ncurses though, I mean poking the data directly into the memory; such a thing is only for PC though
< 1430199471 180865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC color codes are also different numbers than ANSI color codes.
< 1430199532 848732 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, i would think so, curses was invented on some mainframe architecture, i think.
< 1430199633 885271 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I remember on windows you can instead use conio.h
< 1430199682 581767 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1430200190 144937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you make a transform from one program to a program which on alternating steps runs the original program and tries to figure out a proof that the original program does not halt? Now is it the new kind of halting problem? (Well, not quite the new kind)
< 1430200356 639320 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose, you could simply chack whether the state of the program is one that it was in before?
< 1430200392 733853 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, that only works if the memory doesn't grow)
< 1430200400 355630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e <int-e> Ah, finally the cake is working. I was worried... <-- wait this means you shouted "cake!" *without* having read the latest comic tdnh
< 1430200400 659384 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1430200416 461071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is one case, at least, but there are other cases too
< 1430200435 549380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e wait scratch that i'm getting confused about the age of logs i'm reading
< 1430200435 816543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1430200484 439966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what happens when i don't log off before going to bed
< 1430200531 646421 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that's better than me. without school or work I was recently corrected about the day of the week from thinking itwas friday to monday
< 1430200548 274609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1430200595 8862 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The day of the week is pretty arbitrary isn't it
< 1430200618 310104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.  but very traditional.
< 1430200648 194453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've probably not skipped a single one since the ancient jews.
< 1430200696 309702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the french tried.
< 1430200716 712630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose the 7-day cycle had existed since the first humans
< 1430200721 943908 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chinese apparently had a 10 day week (reading wiipedia)
< 1430200731 593785 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ii/iki/
< 1430200742 189882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WELL OF COURSE DON'T YOU READ THE BIBLE
< 1430200742 386992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how few humans would there have to be to have a decent chance of all of them forgetting what day of the week it was simultaneously, amd being unable to reconstruct?
< 1430200772 780985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that doesn't imply that the seven days cycled, did it?
< 1430200774 746550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one too big party
< 1430200788 140793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm
< 1430200789 127916 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they were programmers, 100
< 1430200790 85075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Romans had a 9-day cycle, anyway
< 1430200795 818048 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nones
< 1430200798 873923 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ides
< 1430200801 916848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely thought it was 8...
< 1430200808 510644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nones and ides happened once a monht
< 1430200812 259176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and calends, too
< 1430200828 759084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so each month was separated into three pieces, each of which was numbered separately
< 1430200834 738078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it seemed like a good idea at the time?
< 1430200866 668681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: your transform sounds sort of trivial, once you've selected a formal proof system
< 1430200964 764914 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I would prefer a 9 day system. then we can have 2 days work, one day off
< 1430200984 897697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't some jobs have a 2 on, 1 off, 2 on, 2 off system?
< 1430200996 614399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems even better
< 1430201000 42448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: except some parts of the year didn't have months originally
< 1430201015 268607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What kind of formal proof system is it though?
< 1430201019 137873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think they did in the Roman calendar
< 1430201022 927483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps not in the early days, thoguh
< 1430201033 306260 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that would help sync with the moon
< 1430201048 346047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i assume gödel implies you cannot really select a "best" one.
< 1430201067 336241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could go with ZFC, or homotopic type theory, or whatever.
< 1430201083 149164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i hear the latter is all the rage)
< 1430201147 24761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well i'm talking about the roman calendar, from when someone here(?) pointed at a good site explaining its evolution.
< 1430201152 186228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I looked it up a few information in Wikipedia
< 1430201262 453309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it ever possible that applying such a transformation twice makes a difference (if the transformation method does something unusual)?
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< 1430201302 602056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things are possible
< 1430201348 694404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well your transform never makes the program _less_ halting.
< 1430201360 616693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do see that at least yes
< 1430201442 399142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that, if your proof system is correct, it's possible to prove that you can prove something, but not prove it
< 1430201444 976253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'm wrong though
< 1430201464 981422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think this is a property of proof systems that has a name and gets discussed by logicians
< 1430201492 841913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I should go find my copy of Forever Undecided, it has a lot of discussion about that sort of thing
< 1430201497 307834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh bloody tonsils or whatever it hurts when i swallow
< 1430201504 414170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that too but also am unsure, even if a proof system can make up a proof system somehow
< 1430201554 466757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> I don't think that, if your proof system is correct, it's possible to prove that you can prove something, but not prove it <-- i refuse to believe you're not garbling whatever what was supposed to mean.
< 1430201575 989793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1430201580 915110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed a negation
< 1430201589 344552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails at refusal
< 1430201606 609323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in fact i think there's such a theorem but i cannot remember who it's named after
< 1430201623 526636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I remember reading about this stuff
< 1430201637 504933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a property a system can have, which is useful in some proofs, and which is implied via various other plausible groups of properties
< 1430201655 73452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the theorem you're vaguely remembering is probably along the lines of "if a proof system has properties X, Y, and Z, it has that one too"
< 1430201687 861168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm löb's theorem is sort of the wrong way
< 1430201869 44886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a formal system make up its own new kind of formal system by adding "this statement cannot prove itself" as a new axiom?
< 1430201895 222193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1430201917 994974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, if you take Gödel's counterexample "this statement is not provable"
< 1430201937 989449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that statement is not provable in a correct system (if it were, it would be false)
< 1430201959 102204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its negation is not provable either (its negation is "the negation of this statement is provable", and if it were, you'd again be proving a false statement)
< 1430201970 155437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus you can add either it or its negation as an axiom
< 1430201974 379318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still have an internally consistent system
< 1430201976 933335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I read about that too
< 1430201991 862265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO it wouldn't be a very useful axiom though
< 1430202207 21497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<J_Arcane> http://blog.fogus.me/2015/04/27/six-works-of-computer-science-fiction/ <-- way for a link to make me feel cheated the second i open it tdnh
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< 1430208716 77860 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm ed's ! command doesn't appear to allow cd to work properly
< 1430208742 190720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because cd is a shell builtin
< 1430208755 605747 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOT?
< 1430208755 906666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're changing the current directory of the spell you spawned, not the editor that spawned it
< 1430208774 740570 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CalScript14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42773&oldid=42764 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+100) 10Added tokens and memory info.
< 1430208790 27665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have shown #esoteric /bin/cd before, I doubt it'd work with ed directly
< 1430208795 901340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could probably tweak it to do so
< 1430208812 64642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it works by attaching a debugger to the parent process and forcibly getting that process to call the change-directory syscall itself)
< 1430208845 808963 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Maybe I should download the source code for ed and add filsytem stuff to it
< 1430208892 145938 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ed is written in C, almost certainly, so it shouldn't be hard
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< 1430209459 439710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: that's called ex hth
< 1430209475 568351 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ex have a cd
< 1430209487 902925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, at least the vim based one
< 1430209514 315243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex is simply a different mode of running vim (you can switch from inside)
< 1430209521 508224 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: morning.
< 1430209521 673825 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what's this " it doesn't compile
< 1430209524 126946 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's chdir
< 1430209548 92041 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That's a start of a string.
< 1430209548 328730 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i don't think anyone but me's ever used intercal quotes to parens when there are fnord
< 1430209554 653912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim help says cd
< 1430209563 716834 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Ow. " in intercal? I don't know intercal.
< 1430209563 975922 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ( define subset? ' ( a) ab acdafg ( b) think long and hard about the concept of code being outstanding... right?
< 1430209572 332792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :chdir means the same thing
< 1430209578 545935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: in INTERCAL, parens are ' to ' or " to "
< 1430209602 420124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, INTERCAL '' and "" do the same thing as parens in most languages
< 1430209610 741605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the benefit of occasionally being ambiguous in weird ways
< 1430209661 334670 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex is not full backward compatible to ed
< 1430209686 852583 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically ex uses q! while ed uses Q
< 1430209758 173663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1430209794 974329 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430210099 485621 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think strings should be 5"hello
< 1430210114 768951 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or [hello]
< 1430210171 94052 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally it would support hollerith for auto-generated code, and matching delimiters for humnas
< 1430210200 301651 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hollerith means the generator doesn't have to translate escapes
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< 1430212185 894863 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap. The ed source contains the following line:  if( errno == ERANGE || li > INT_MAX || li < INT_MIN )
< 1430212188 893084 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :    {
< 1430212191 393162 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :    set_error_msg( "Numerical result out of range" );
< 1430212216 949856 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which assumes that li, a long, has a lager range than an int
< 1430212234 644051 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it doesn't, on most 32 bit systems
< 1430212295 733464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would have made sense in the days of 16-bit systems
< 1430212301 706948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is where I learned to program
< 1430212312 149048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, it was Windows 3.1 code but running on Windows 95
< 1430212322 451396 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that makes sense as the origin
< 1430212323 807889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, where I learned to program C and C++, I should say
< 1430212362 87161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned BASIC and Pascal earlier than that (and eventually got a computer with BASIC in the ROM of my own; it was obsolete at the time and its owners were trying to get rid of it, so it only cost £20 IIRC)
< 1430212387 439210 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never actually learnt to program
< 1430212412 847714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: can you program, though?
< 1430212424 883544 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can pretend to program very well
< 1430212453 552653 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is long a 64 bit integer on 64 bit systems?
< 1430212461 662396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: yes on Linux, no on Windows, typically
< 1430212468 244341 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1430212484 578551 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :More seriously, I sort of just picked stuff up, I did learn Haskell at some point, and I get lost very easily in any program of any appreciable size
< 1430212491 586700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is apparently because on Linux 32-bit programs, "long is pointer-sized" is a more common assumption than "long is 32 bits"; on Windows, it's the other way round
< 1430212504 286579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Haskell, right
< 1430212515 89653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given how little it has in common with anything else
< 1430212527 435102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine knowing that quite well and still having not that much contact with the rest of the programming world
< 1430212535 199753 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a little Python and JavaScript before I started Haskell, but not much at all
< 1430212540 311652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although, my day job is in OCaml, so)
< 1430212547 929050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm not even sure why I wrote this thing in OCaml
< 1430212550 469993 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can program in imperative languages. I can write toy programs in functional languagaes
< 1430212561 26771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember if I was asked to, or if I chose it, and if I chose it, why
< 1430212585 941347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like I was good at OCaml at the time (I'm much better at it now, after working in it for 3-4 years)
< 1430212605 250191 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote a program inFortran 77 for no good reason
< 1430212627 121720 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than i was reading a book that had examples in fortran
< 1430212647 372359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote a program in Prolog with no way to run it
< 1430212651 968859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if I still have it or if it would have worked
< 1430212656 751814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was based entirely on reading manuals
< 1430212664 884159 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, I think I'm a maths student who likes computer science more than anything else
< 1430212678 693575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(strangely enough, I remembered enough Prolog from back then to actually write in it once I had an impl)
< 1430212702 348399 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a course in prolog where I never actually ran any prolog programs, just wrote and analyzed them
< 1430212734 782235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, actually running Prolog programs doesn't give much insight into what they do or whether it's working
< 1430212767 140553 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my uni course will take me about as close to Eodermdrome as to Prolog :/
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< 1430212818 44438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the amazing thing about Prolog is that I don't think there's another language like it (apart from uncomputable vaporware esolangs)
< 1430212846 535060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have the working name "Proud" for a language which is Prolog minus the arbitrary restrictions needed to make it computable, and have no idea why I chose that name any more)
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< 1430212867 732967 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is Perl called perl?
< 1430212886 796135 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why anything is called anything
< 1430212887 377348 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "PROlog UnDecidable"?
< 1430212896 672948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: I know that one
< 1430212907 897837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Larry Wall read through all the three- and four-letter words in the dictionary
< 1430212912 286791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't find any he liked
< 1430212925 10347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then went through the five-letter words until he finally found a name he thought was acceptable
< 1430212932 10466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he discovered it was already taken, so had to misspell it
< 1430213029 401083 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: Perfect emacs rewriting language
< 1430213031 187795 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously.
< 1430213033 489858 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? perl
< 1430213035 638470 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1430213045 486510 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Perl is the Perfect Emacs Rewriting Language
< 1430213052 196288 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'perl': Perl is the Perfect Emacs Rewriting Language
< 1430213085 235027 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway if your professor says, you can write the program in any language so long as it works, that is an excuse to use Fortran or PL/I or any other ancient and forbidden tongue.
< 1430213119 998426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: they said that in my Systems and Control GCSE
< 1430213125 397502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I had a huge urge to write it in assembler
< 1430213146 183019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but given that that was an exam that I wanted to do really well at and I had a feeling I shouldn't annoy the examiner, I wrote it in pseudo-BASIC instead
< 1430213197 658852 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without -ffree-form
< 1430213202 224845 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :free-form is for whimps.
< 1430213210 551786 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah that's what I did
< 1430213234 654919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PART #esoteric :"<fungot> fizzie: it makes demons fly out of my window, washing the windows api"
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< 1430213240 625385 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the line numbers and the weird three number goto and everythinmg
< 1430213248 762289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does -ffree-form do?
< 1430213275 514248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I did do well at that exam, I got a letter back from the exam board saying I had one of the top 5 marks in the country on that exam)
< 1430213291 226440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then the school stopped teaching the subject altogether a few years later)
< 1430213309 733769 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means you don't have to put the line numbers aon particular columns and begin the statement at charcter number 7 and put a C in character 1 for commnets
< 1430213365 976495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was assuming BASIC, not Fortran
< 1430213385 444901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this gives me an evil idea
< 1430213390 598372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed-form BASIC
< 1430213409 582093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :line numbers in particular columns, REM has to be in column 1, etc.
< 1430213443 726299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think REM in column 1 is backward compatible
< 1430213463 14297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're satisfied with 9 comment lines
< 1430213492 899205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait is this 0 or 1 indexing
< 1430213527 146662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait you mean REM doesn't get a line number
< 1430213542 865925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learned BASIC too long ago
< 1430213549 56169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about that myself
< 1430213553 497620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see a few potential solutions
< 1430213563 325645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is to use fancy Unicode line numbers that let you fit larger numberes into one column
< 1430213574 737995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, failing that, you could put the number at the end of the previous line
< 1430213659 272902 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if a lanuage used Roman line numbers
< 1430213678 279336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised that hasn't been done yet
< 1430213682 77701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it hasn't
< 1430213688 673523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can believe it happening in something INTERCAL-related
< 1430213700 88600 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I. WRITE HELLO WORLD
< 1430213709 583304 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :II. END
< 1430213725 159759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, I'm reading a paper on how to do a FizzBuzz in Haskell without checking /anything/ twice, O(n) in program size in the number of "fizz"/"buzz" keywords
< 1430213727 591003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I remember
< 1430213733 351485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's QVICKBasic
< 1430213740 135421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the ICFP contest a few years ago
< 1430213743 628775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you haven't seen that, you should
< 1430213750 202379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is one of the most amazing esoprogramming projects ever
< 1430213757 864839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not QVICKBasic, the contest as a whole)
< 1430213792 965559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: http://boundvariable.org/task.shtml
< 1430213795 990798 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: show me that paper
< 1430213821 133238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: https://themonadreader.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/fizzbuzz.pdf
< 1430213821 867767 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite get where the problem is
< 1430213831 793398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't look very submitted, as papers go
< 1430213834 592120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's in the form of a paper
< 1430213842 74538 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least every third number is a fizz
< 1430213865 139138 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of fizz is in O(numbers)
< 1430213881 972474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: no
< 1430213889 625890 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1430213894 977062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if you add more pairs than just (3, "fizz"), (5, "buzz")
< 1430213904 839476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you add in more primes and more humorous noises
< 1430213916 261999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size of your program needs to be O(n) in that
< 1430213927 270889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the reason I mentioned this is that it reminded me of yacc
< 1430213937 533167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I'm trying to figure out if a yacc fizzbuzz is even a meaningful problem
< 1430214027 275901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this thing has just two references; one to Dijkstra, the other to Wikipedia
< 1430214179 772289 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just do struct {char*s,int i} noises[]={{"fizz",3},{"buzz",5}};
< 1430214199 163537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then write an interpreter?
< 1430214203 776623 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1430214213 906558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may still end up checking something twice
< 1430214225 434803 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1430214238 261149 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so...
< 1430214276 784805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how your interp works
< 1430214285 559524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 'capital punishment' == 'death sentence'?
< 1430214289 681353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might work if you have an accumulator variable
< 1430214295 839168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: pretty much, they're used in different contexts
< 1430214302 959627 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1430214315 744166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"capital punishment" = "this countries' laws allow for execution of people committing certain crimes"
< 1430214325 831240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"death sentence" = "a ruling that a specific person should be executed"
< 1430214331 110844 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1430214338 45574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're close enough in meaning for people to use them interchangeably
< 1430214356 790439 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Susan-Anne White has quite a manifesto.
< 1430214405 126186 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1430214462 193258 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(i=0;i<MAX;i++)for(j=0;j<sizeof(noises)/sizeof(noises[0]);j++)if(i%noises[j].i==0)fputs(noises[j].s,stdout);putchar();
< 1430214466 490575 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(i=0;i<MAX;i++)for(j=0;j<sizeof(noises)/sizeof(noises[0]);j++)if(i%noises[j].i==0)fputs(noises[j].s,stdout);putchar('\n');
< 1430214469 955491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, westernish europe
< 1430214474 308702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what country is this?
< 1430214504 85826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: where does that print the number itself if none of them match?
< 1430214528 599264 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right. you need to have a boolean for that...
< 1430214590 473510 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"westernish europe"?
< 1430214591 757845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you're missing a pair of braces, meaning that you'll only print one newline at the end of the program
< 1430214593 522622 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portugal?
< 1430214602 814742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: UTC+2
< 1430214605 913550 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1430214615 954119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which given that it's summer time, means western but not as far west as the UK
< 1430214616 658266 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(i=0;i<MAX;i++){f=1;for(j=0;j<sizeof(noises)/sizeof(noises[0]);j++)if(i%noises[j].i==0)fputs(noises[j].s,stdout),f=0;if(f)printf("%n",i);putchar('\n');}
< 1430214622 795248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if you are in Portugal, it's using some weird DST rules
< 1430214631 680066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or my clock is wrong or your clock is wrong
< 1430214636 330765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`time
< 1430214637 264 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: time: not found
< 1430214644 936720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` time
< 1430214647 145749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real: 0m1.575s, user: 0m0.000s, sys: 0m0.000s
< 1430214649 840758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1430214651 345039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date
< 1430214654 938549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tue Apr 28 09:50:53 UTC 2015
< 1430214673 323417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow, even nowadays I slip that I grew up on DOS
< 1430214702 161893 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. so I think it's trivial to do it, if you store the numbers and words in a data structure separately
< 1430214892 891288 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, it's not necessary to test if i%4==0 if        i%2==1
< 1430214910 268391 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are still uneccary tests
< 1430214988 745419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's probably more efficient to just check anyway, than to write extra logic to detect that case
< 1430214995 509692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although arguably that violates the rules
< 1430215004 869464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't really make the details of the rules clear
< 1430215038 762975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it turns out there's no fizzbuzz in INTERCAL
< 1430215078 392086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1430215090 321371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean no one wrote one
< 1430215124 991588 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? let me check Rosetta Code
< 1430215139 963214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not in the Pit, anyway
< 1430215143 69813 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rosettacode.org/wiki/FizzBuzz
< 1430215144 175101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1430215147 629628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which claims to be a repository of all known INTERCAL programs
< 1430215148 424101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no intercal
< 1430215151 159097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may, however, be lying
< 1430215158 508478 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a Chef implementation
< 1430215175 681978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually INTERCAL is a really hard language to write this in
< 1430215182 302618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you don't use the standard library
< 1430215204 738811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the problem is that it's hard to write even a BF interpreter in intercal
< 1430215223 217387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF interp is easier, I think
< 1430215229 919817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no modulo, no string handling other than single chars
< 1430215237 958771 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an easy way to remap array indexes so that they're easy to increment and decrement in intercal?
< 1430215261 373045 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, remap integers to other integers that way, and then you use them as array indices
< 1430215264 857106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there's a one-statement increment in INTERCAL that isn't too awful that's been known for a while now
< 1430215266 674941 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to implement bf
< 1430215282 156589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there a decrement too?
< 1430215294 346702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been considering the "some formula which cycles through 2^n possible values in an arbitrary order" thing, but didn't come up with a solution
< 1430215294 512360 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just increment isn't enough
< 1430215306 108505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it needn't be 2**n values
< 1430215306 853703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, to decrement you can complement then increment then complement, among other things
< 1430215326 542791 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1430215345 611371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO .1 <- "?'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'".1~.1"~.1'~.1"~.1'                              ~.1"~.1'~.1"~.1'                          ~.1"~.1'~.1"~.1'                      ~.1"~.1'~.1"~.1'                  $#1"~"#32767$#1"'$.1"~"#0$#65535"
< 1430215352 424149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the gratuitous whitespace
< 1430215376 339763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO .1 <- "?'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'".1~.1"~.1'~.1"~.1'~.1"~.1'~.1"~.1'~.1"~.1'~.1"~.1'~.1"~.1'~.1"~.1'$#1"~"#32767$#1"'$.1"~"#0$#65535"
< 1430215378 428457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better
< 1430215435 481342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, if you remove one of the "…~.1" repetitions, it works for all numbers but 65534
< 1430215439 608014 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I certainly prefer languages that have a large selection of arithmetic built in, but if you're using intercal, there's really no reason to use numbers in their original meaning, is there?
< 1430215449 737272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1430215453 747346 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there is some little reason for that, like if arrays are stored continuously
< 1430215497 629947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((((#65535 $ #65535) ~  ((?32 ((((V32 ((&32 (.4 $ .2) ~ (#0 $ #65535)) $ .9)  (#0 $ #65535))  $ #0) ~ (#32767 $ #1)) $  .2)  ~ (#0 $ #65535)) $ #65535)) $ .4) ~ (#0 $ #65535)) $ .9)  <- (#435 $ #72)
< 1430215500 771793 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... can you give computed percentages?
< 1430215517 332263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one was the culmination of literally years of work
< 1430215520 680842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isn't in INTERCAL syntax yet
< 1430215524 768073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has the input operands hardcoded
< 1430215536 779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, not in C-INTERCAL I don't think (you probably can in CLC-INTERCAL)
< 1430215538 978826 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do?
< 1430215559 176403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :addition
< 1430215563 976113 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1430215578 230896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, you give it the bitwise-AND and bitwise-XOR of two numbers
< 1430215602 600164 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it returns the bitwise-XOR of a specific one of those numbers and their sum
< 1430215631 440533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a little extra code allows you to convert it to an addition routine
< 1430215635 175005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no loops, no threading, it's great
< 1430215644 466776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes violin a little under 2 minutes to run on this laptop
< 1430215649 304137 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :_threading_?
< 1430215650 928093 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that scares me
< 1430215668 592607 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :threading to do addition
< 1430215670 946499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's my Slashdot sig, I managed to golf it to fit it within the size limits
< 1430215672 897551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a moment
< 1430215734 27496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1)DOCOMEFROM!2~.2'~#1WHILE:1<-"'?.1$.2'~'"':1/.1$.2'~#0"$#65535'"$"'"'&.1$.2'~'#0$#65535'"$#0'~#32767$#1"
< 1430215749 365492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's way more efficient than the reverse assignment method
< 1430215753 935542 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks way scarier than my GF(128) obfu, because that only has to compute an inconvenient operation from convenient primitives. in intercal, you have to go backwards, computing convenient operations from crazy primitives.
< 1430215797 272347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason to use threading is simply that x WHILE y runs y for as long as x is running
< 1430215802 282484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus is a convenient way to do a loop
< 1430215819 542927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GF(128) obfu => http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=863110
< 1430215851 802483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that algorithm there is actually incredibly conventional, it basically starts with two numbers, adds them bitwise to produce a value and a carry, then uses the value and shifted carry as inputs to the next round
< 1430215856 1024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and repeats until there are no carries left
< 1430215862 696779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the violin code is a little more unconventional
< 1430215888 914416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though maybe a better analog would be http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=989716 which does implement useful operation (addition) from inconvenient ones (indexing and amending bits in the Zeckendorf representation)
< 1430215905 313915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1430215943 844396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<my notes on violin> `carry` = (`a` bitwise-OR (`x` bitwise-AND `carry`)) leftshifted 1
< 1430215949 695752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(zzo38 has implemented even more useful stuff in zeckendorf)
< 1430215957 291754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`a` and `x` are the and and xor of the original numbers
< 1430215959 460267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: a`: not found
< 1430215964 90841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on that, we then define the carry in terms of itself
< 1430216012 554393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1430216027 77490 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's only about 16 steps to stabilize
< 1430216038 597456 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not, say, 65536 steps which some formulas could do
< 1430216048 591800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, you don't understand
< 1430216053 59086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an iterative algorithm
< 1430216054 559068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a constraint
< 1430216062 141554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :violin has to use a SAT solver to solve it
< 1430216067 479955 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1430216067 946640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why it's so slow
< 1430216071 584508 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1430216077 330811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sat solver?
< 1430216083 136206 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's even scarier
< 1430216100 551486 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1430216115 906234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL expression syntax is now NP-complete, you can write arbitrary boolean satisfaction problems in it
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< 1430216131 693106 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1430216137 371877 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it achieve that?
< 1430216186 524550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you write them on the left of the arrow
< 1430216207 449466 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1430216209 850406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all compilers agree that it's legal to select 16 bits from a 32-bit number, then mingle that with something
< 1430216230 829910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, all compilers agree that it's illegal to selec 17 or more bits from a 32-bit number, producing a value greater than 65535, then mingle that with something
< 1430216230 995842 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it can contain indexing on the left and right hand side of the arrow?
< 1430216251 765395 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it even determine which variables to modify?
< 1430216258 367075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's some grey area if you select 17 or more bits but the value is less than 65536 bits, but you can easily avoid that case)
< 1430216265 515074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, ugh, I didn't think of array indexing on the left of the arrow
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< 1430216350 726837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you say DO.1~.2<-.3 how does it know whether to modify .1 or .2 ?
< 1430216397 387930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it modifies everything mentioned to the left of the arrow
< 1430216400 205000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the constants, in some mpls
< 1430216404 196239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*impls
< 1430216406 858207 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1430216408 332302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although rather predictably in most
< 1430216410 571561 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1430216421 37292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :violin will find each possible solution with nonzero probability
< 1430216422 876033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> I have been considering the "some formula which cycles through 2^n possible values in an arbitrary order" thing, but didn't come up with a solution <-- if you make that 2^n-1, it's what i did for the unlambda interpreter gc
< 1430216438 89513 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is there a way to force it to keep some values constant when searching for a solution?
< 1430216440 240708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh good
< 1430216450 761657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the unlambda interp has a gc? or was it just refcounting?
< 1430216470 781834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: currently no, for violin integration I'm planning a "don't modify constants unless you have to" approach
< 1430216485 406814 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1430216500 407843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, but how about non-constants? like if I want to search a solution where .1 doesn't change but .2 does
< 1430216532 553997 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there a multiple assignment syntax so you can give more than one condition by the way?
< 1430216536 277115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: then you have to pass in the value indirectly on the right of the arrow
< 1430216538 437700 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as integrating an actual violin, before realizing there could be a language called violin
< 1430216542 323708 :Wazza!~Wazza@2001:41d0:2:2766::1 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430216550 827373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can't directly do a multiple assignment
< 1430216557 657871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can just write DO .1$.2 <- .3$.4
< 1430216567 248825 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes, for two values
< 1430216567 537511 :Wazza!~Wazza@2001:41d0:2:2766::1 PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"
< 1430216574 572236 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't work for two dwords or three words
< 1430216587 591413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only do 32 bits atm, yes
< 1430216606 152530 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1430216620 311589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess too much generality would make it too easy to program
< 1430216633 64873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not INTERCAL without arbitrary restrictions
< 1430216640 731162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I have been considering bignum mingle as a usefulish operation
< 1430216843 193588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok refcounting it was
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< 1430218104 577132 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I added a 'C' command to ed that changes direcotry
< 1430218162 4206 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as I'm mangling GNU software, anything else I shouold add?
< 1430218198 746845 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: why don't you just use ex instead?
< 1430218210 326705 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's not as fun
< 1430218290 996006 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can add syntax highlighting
< 1430218295 50125 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1430218324 348483 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: doesn't it already have that via w|your-syntax-highlighter-executable
< 1430218329 161433 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe with a ! instead of |
< 1430218372 87151 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. Maybe I whould just add a command to set an executable to pass all output through
< 1430218472 163219 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well technically that doesn't do  exactly what I mean, but I see the value in externalizing the highlighting
< 1430218560 417298 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellorin. what kind of atrocities are you commiting to ed?
< 1430218575 224366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's a saner method than /bin/cd at least
< 1430218597 616028 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added a 'C' command, and now I think i'll add syntax highlighting
< 1430218624 123561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently early UNIX had a /bin/goto that exploited the fact that the shell of the time, pre-sh, read the file back from disk after every command was executed
< 1430218628 592950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it manually moved bits of the shellscript around
< 1430218652 564886 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/clear
< 1430218656 92483 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/flush
< 1430218659 315239 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
< 1430218704 717487 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ctrlv.in/565704
< 1430218837 657791 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*strchr(*ibufpp,'\n')=0;
< 1430218846 494371 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :beacuse i'm awful.
< 1430218917 512951 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me to mapole you when I won't be having a cold and have a little bit more muscular strength twh
< 1430218959 861544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary
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< 1430219007 530108 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it seems that there is always a newline at the end
< 1430219026 746716 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(based on the lack of egfaulting)
< 1430219115 147584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hey have you been infecting me
< 1430219126 294477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i was supposed to eat
< 1430219151 791977 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. I don't think so hth
< 1430219167 200517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend not having a throat that hurts when you swallow hth
< 1430219282 855114 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sinuses are blocked, coughing light green extraterrestrial radioactive stuff, but at least my throat doesn't hurt.
< 1430219292 999418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1430219315 616010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i can think "at least my sinuses aren't blocked"
< 1430219438 973278 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think I'll add an F [command] command, which causes ed to pass all output of 'p' and 'n' through the command.
< 1430219468 900216 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe an option to set this from the command line
< 1430219484 845159 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :'F' for 'formatter'
< 1430219540 964880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: um, at that point you might want to add some escape code for multibyte commands before you use up all letters for insignificant commands
< 1430219556 809500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could hurt you later if you find more useful commands you'd want to put on the single letters
< 1430219573 431048 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like the way the vanilla nethack key layout is messed up
< 1430219603 890303 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I'll just start using é and æ
< 1430219624 913294 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: in what encoding?
< 1430219630 681009 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1430219648 136462 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably utf-8
< 1430219664 494810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll just run out of all 256 bytes. many are already used up for ranges or commands.
< 1430219707 819695 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, all i'd need to do is check for a byte above 128, and in that case read the next byte
< 1430219720 756102 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and check what it is.
< 1430219768 936764 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1430219816 712382 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I dunno if I'll add more than 2 commands. I'll get bored pretty fast
< 1430219851 950651 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently people used to modify the local versions of commands a lot in the old world
< 1430220145 831068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the haskell libraries list seems severely infested with top posters
< 1430220192 502284 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1430220241 394528 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you mean?
< 1430220277 649640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who quote the message they're replying to, _never_ removing anything, regardless of thread depth
< 1430220288 976458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put their own answer at the top
< 1430220303 127460 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. mailing lists.
< 1430220337 903268 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually do that, but put my reply at the bottom
< 1430220364 670585 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
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< 1430220373 910944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric orin :Crimes against humanity
< 1430220378 946700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
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< 1430220390 67613 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1430220415 603034 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Crimes against humanity'
< 1430220466 553458 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically I think the reply shuld be at the bottom, but only if your software doewsn't automatically display the post your repling to
< 1430220492 905629 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. email
< 1430220518 811863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically i think it's the sender's responsibility to be non-annoying to a large fraction of recipients.
< 1430220538 263108 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess....
< 1430220585 222960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case i'm browsing the mailing list from a web archive.  it 
< 1430220601 451197 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.. could you not write a script to go through your emails and cut out lines that consist of  />>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/
< 1430220602 875570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why was there a return key there.
< 1430220620 746962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: it's not my emails, i'm reading it on the web.
< 1430220628 440750 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo
< 1430220659 661375 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually that could also cut out lines with brainfuck code in them
< 1430220667 858950 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a problem
< 1430220723 265626 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: REPLICATING CHICKEN
< 1430220742 544114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean we'll have two boilys next time
< 1430220842 707714 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it means there was never one boily. the boily we get each time is a duplicate of the original boily, whowe've never met.
< 1430220904 111287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1430220976 807435 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does garnierite have anythign to do with the shampoo?
< 1430221039 593828 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they're both named after french people
< 1430221085 224888 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :garnyayite
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< 1430225982 748501 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1430226141 139667 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwtf?
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< 1430226553 254314 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUCCESS
< 1430226580 869187 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ctrlv.in/565759
< 1430226841 935229 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :+
< 1430226875 596835 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a problem if it passes the line numbers into the highlighter?
< 1430226970 858602 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could fork again and add the line numbers at the end of the pipeline
< 1430227066 412142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1430227101 703681 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, for now it's ok
< 1430227294 558065 :hamrove!~hamrove@96-8-209-215.block0.gvtc.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430227376 793694 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1430227743 429044 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm adding new features to the ed editor, what features do you think it needs?  
< 1430227848 598285 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shred.
< 1430227878 66303 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that do?
< 1430228352 80290 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of "wipe" solution?
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< 1430228378 152138 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, like destory the data on disk?
< 1430228413 588420 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats probably beyond my programmign porwess
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< 1430232655 813317 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can ed execute shell commands?
< 1430232659 797377 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and collect the output?
< 1430232668 852814 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a feature
< 1430232686 30501 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/orenwatson/orens-fun-ed
< 1430232701 759498 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does do that: for example
< 1430232707 399349 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :e !ls
< 1430232731 813066 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1430232749 425804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on an editor in java
< 1430232765 601942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :using lanterna
< 1430232775 738762 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of editor
< 1430232779 828952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :text editor
< 1430232796 90540 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with support for 2D languages
< 1430232813 59229 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you can type normalle and it'll write it backwards or downwards and that stuff.
< 1430232816 616989 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*normally
< 1430232830 932777 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool! that would really help
< 1430232843 407188 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can configure letters that change directions
< 1430232854 565420 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it automatically switches after typing a ^ for example
< 1430232893 918856 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: I'll let you know once I have a decently working version.
< 1430233157 12102 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430233191 322050 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is much easier to hack stuff that was already written...
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< 1430234435 722781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: I certainly feel that way.
< 1430234493 924510 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait scratch that i'm getting confused about the age of logs <-- I forgive you
< 1430234512 856169 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is in a benevolent mood
< 1430235424 595228 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1430235650 568082 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: about the difficulty of writing versus modifying a program, or about replies should be at the bottom
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< 1430236228 33848 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: I meant the former, but I also feel the same way about top-posting.
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< 1430236290 275391 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: Because it upsets the natural flow of reading.
< 1430236290 440760 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: Why is top posting so rude?
< 1430237378 239335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yay
< 1430237526 14730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
< 1430238018 25218 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvljgcadrmtpmybn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1430238113 979657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that was to the forgiveness, i find the "don't cut away anything" part of posting more annoying than the actual top posting part
< 1430238121 477520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*top posting
< 1430238223 356269 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought so, but I replied to orin.
< 1430238644 240288 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The two issues are related though: inline replies encourage people to cut down the context.
< 1430238720 199723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
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< 1430240326 452960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome e_svedang 
< 1430240328 9812 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02e_svedang: 06Welcome 13to 04the 07international 08hub 09for 02esoteric 06programming 13language 04design 07and 08deployment! 09For 02more 06information, 13check 04out 07our 08wiki: 09<http://esolangs.org/>. 02(For 06the 13other 04kind 07of 08esoterica, 09try 02#esoteric 06on 13irc.dal.net.)
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< 1430241150 642354 :orin!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
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< 1430241455 647589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HackEgo ran away
< 1430241486 227118 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah now DF is hanging my computer? god damn it 2GB of memory used to be a megaton!
< 1430241498 445440 :e_svedang!~erik@c83-254-7-124.bredband.comhem.se PART #esoteric :"Using Circe, the loveliest of all IRC clients"
< 1430241547 749064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh too much drooling
< 1430241567 500062 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. wat
< 1430241633 929567 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, DF as in Dwarf Fortress?
< 1430241649 882959 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1430241660 409748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got an infection such that it hurts to swallow, but never swallowing doesn't really work either.  thus drooling.
< 1430241693 482665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i think 2GB was about the _disk space_ on the first computer i installed linux on, back in 1999
< 1430241724 4560 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: be more masochistic hth
< 1430241736 761842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: sorry no can do
< 1430241763 300264 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about throat numbing medicine? what about soaking up drool with crackers?
< 1430241833 502174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have crackers.  i do have plenty of paper tissue.
< 1430241837 983191 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm try swallowing lots of tiny ice cubes
< 1430241882 754564 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think an eggo would work as a tray to make tiny ice cubes
< 1430241884 830651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have ice cubes, and i don't see why that should help.
< 1430241894 70567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an eggo
< 1430241901 432626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't think i have one)
< 1430241903 39230 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :toaster waffle
< 1430241908 367642 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google leggo my egoo
< 1430241908 832635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1430241909 415259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.leggomyeggo.com/
< 1430241999 978817 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eggos were my lunch every day in middle school
< 1430242126 713044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't ridiculously detailed simulation like the point of DF, obviously it will always want to use as much resources as you have.
< 1430242147 276829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be glad it's not 3d graphics on top
< 1430242173 744744 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day it will be
< 1430242206 162125 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't know that it would add that much load since the simulation would be cpu-bound and the graphics gpu-bound)
< 1430242288 916929 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :debian installer CDs now boot with grub-2 instead of isolinux?
< 1430242410 3489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I don't even know what an installer CD is anymore... I guess I have one for Windows XP somewhere...
< 1430242431 159791 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use an installer SD usually
< 1430242470 198464 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the last few installations of Linux I've used debootstrap from Knoppix, which I find convenient because Knoppix can access an existing network.)
< 1430242470 632746 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't boot from the CD either, I just load the kernel and initrd on the tiny netboot installer CD from a boot loader instead
< 1430242478 96025 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this change isn't really relevant to me
< 1430242481 90824 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just surprised
< 1430242512 618356 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's the problem with using grub 2 anyway?
< 1430242520 842183 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no problem
< 1430242542 110027 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't burn a CD, and don't install a bootloader just to run an installer image
< 1430242573 701805 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just download the files to hard disk, and load them from my already installed grub-l bootloader or from a cd that has a grub-l bootloader
< 1430242608 13042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a script here to convert between boot loader config files => http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=928102
< 1430242624 247837 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't use that, I just type the command manually because I know what the debian installer expects
< 1430242695 193912 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1430242781 869527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably start to use grub2 when I'm forced to because I get hard disks larger than 2 tebibytes and so can't use a dos partition table
< 1430242793 994387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not before that
< 1430242841 989766 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how common are such hard disks now?
< 1430242850 67305 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I'll be buying any soon
< 1430243024 388826 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is 64   GB
< 1430243062 346877 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why I have so many SD cards
< 1430243192 136715 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love having lots of disk space
< 1430243205 440998 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but currently the big hard disks seem to be 2 terrabytes size
< 1430243240 570098 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, 1TB seems to be the standard size for a new desktop pc, 500GB is also still a thing.
< 1430243243 704481 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrabytes: the data standard for all of Holy Terra
< 1430243281 520363 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody said anything about holyness...
< 1430243309 404770 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: its a 40K refrence.
< 1430243318 855341 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. (And welcome to the bianual smartass competition!)
< 1430243355 186241 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm up against some terrifying competition
< 1430243381 350254 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I can do well!
< 1430243448 795835 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the disk space you get depends on how much you spend
< 1430243469 140981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
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< 1430243483 275406 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@81-230-124-237-no185.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Changing host
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< 1430243917 595466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1430243923 654234 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hai
< 1430243988 403296 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a hostname for a new RPi. I already have a RPi, but this new RPi 2 needs a name
< 1430244012 636187 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1430244020 339290 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :patrick
< 1430244049 720685 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, doesn't fit my theme. Which is mythological beasts. The existing RPi is cerberus. The laptop I'm typing on is dragon.
< 1430244103 690960 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :veela
< 1430244123 512328 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait did rowling invent them
< 1430244144 95720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of them, what are they?
< 1430244210 58084 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, also plus points if the name fits the device. The RPi acts as a VPN and ssh endpoint. So Cerberus, the gatekeeper of the underworld is a fitting name.
< 1430244229 615395 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And phoenix is an old Pentium 3, reborn from various spare parts
< 1430244358 882630 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :guardians. gargoyles
< 1430244377 420404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: chimera hth
< 1430244385 92895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(courtesy of the yafgc character)
< 1430244398 233920 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, yes that would fit the new RPi too, since it will be a ssh end point in a new location
< 1430244405 936747 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also runs RADIUS
< 1430244472 536748 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, this memory card in this older RPi is slow, it previously ran on an external hdd, but I switched that over to the new RPi
< 1430244654 695151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Vǫwël Cøntınùům | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/
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< 1430246681 729495 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I flip a fair coin until the number of heads exceeds the number of tails, or vice versa, by 50, then what's the expected value of the total number of flips?
< 1430246776 900459 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2500
< 1430246828 170842 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on a random walk moving, on average, the square root away from the center line after a given distance.
< 1430246949 40883 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
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< 1430248728 682109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: i find the argument lacking, although simulation seems to confirm the answer.
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< 1430249518 291761 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly 2500, but on the order of that
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< 1430251544 127983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: it actually _is_ exactly 2500
< 1430251789 177665 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: proof?
< 1430251867 875285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let rwStep l = 0:zipWith((+)`on`(/2))l(drop 2 l)++[0]
< 1430251868 833485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1430251954 596825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let rwe = map toInteger (iterate rwStep (replicate 101 0) !! 100000)
< 1430251955 672852 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:143:11:
< 1430251955 838977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :     No instance for (Integral a0) arising from a use of ‘toInteger’
< 1430251955 839061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The type variable ‘a0’ is ambiguous
< 1430251960 221978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep
< 1430251975 773378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let rwe = map round (iterate rwStep (replicate 101 0) !! 100000) :: [Integer]
< 1430251976 900587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1430251988 266603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rwe !! 50
< 1430251989 941345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow
< 1430251992 326806 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's not a proof
< 1430252017 159391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's a proof if i can get lambdabot to calculate it, but it's a little heavy
< 1430252044 111513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lambdabot doesn't cache anything does it...
< 1430252066 488625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much laziness.
< 1430252075 282904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh whatever.
< 1430252123 799690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let fp = [0,99,196,291,384,475,564,651,736,819,900,979,1056,1131,1204,1275,1344,1411,1476,1539,1600,1659,1716,1771,1824,1875,1924,1971,2016,2059,2100,2139,2176,2211,2244,2275,2304,2331,2356,2379,2400,2419,2436,2451,2464,2475,2484,2491,2496,2499]
< 1430252125 158495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1430252171 381371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let tab = fp ++ 2500 : reverse fp in tab == rwStep tab
< 1430252173 17544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1430252183 953449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1430252268 197847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives True in GHCi :(
< 1430252312 165681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length fp
< 1430252313 596583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 50
< 1430252320 330305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fp
< 1430252321 306602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num t => [t]
< 1430252351 551271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a rounding error.  hm how can i make it exact... aha!
< 1430252370 290610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let tab = fp ++ 2500 : reverse fp :: [CReal] in tab == rwStep tab
< 1430252371 717856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1430252452 80319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let rwSum l = 0:zipWith((+))l(drop 2 l)++[0]
< 1430252453 337024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1430252473 68892 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not a proof, it's just a simulation
< 1430252503 4936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the simulation is to find the answer.  once you have the answer you can make a proof.
< 1430252510 129927 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1430252525 77865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i need to show is that the answer is a fixpoint of rwStep
< 1430252570 591115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait how can there possibly by round-off error whan all i'm doing is half-integers
< 1430252603 724471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let tab = fp ++ 2500 : reverse fp
< 1430252604 928312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1430252611 218782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t tab
< 1430252612 169242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => [a]
< 1430252640 851237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (*2) tab == rwSum tab
< 1430252642 112173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : <no location info>: can't find file: L.hs
< 1430252645 408406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (*2) tab == rwSum tab
< 1430252646 891804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : <no location info>: can't find file: L.hs
< 1430252653 58945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffff
< 1430252656 315782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (*2) tab == rwSum tab
< 1430252659 472549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : False
< 1430252903 315472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait duh
< 1430252913 588911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i copied the wrong version
< 1430252929 690968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let rwStep l = 0:zipWith((+)`on`(/2).(+1))l(drop 2 l)++[0]
< 1430252929 856405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: Ambiguous infix expression
< 1430252939 403201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t on
< 1430252940 268209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b -> b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> a -> c
< 1430252956 154793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0`on`)
< 1430252957 428480 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :     The operator ‘on’ [infixl 0] of a section
< 1430252957 594909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :         must have lower precedence than that of the operand,
< 1430252957 594972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :           namely ‘$’ [infixr 0]
< 1430252989 570369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is happening
< 1430253004 812922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let rwStep l = 0:zipWith((+)`on`(/2).(+1))l(drop 2 l)++[0]
< 1430253004 978414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: Ambiguous infix expression
< 1430253016 624736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let rwStep l = 0:zipWith((+)`on`((/2).(+1)))l(drop 2 l)++[0]
< 1430253017 711879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:159:1: Warning:
< 1430253017 877359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Pattern match(es) are overlapped
< 1430253017 877424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :     In an equation for ‘rwStep’: rwStep l = ...
< 1430253028 245656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1430253035 341283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let rwStep2 l = 0:zipWith((+)`on`((/2).(+1)))l(drop 2 l)++[0]
< 1430253036 557022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1430253044 392161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tab == rwStep2 tab
< 1430253045 747005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : True
< 1430253047 711586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally
< 1430253051 719725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tab !! 50
< 1430253053 180062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2500
< 1430253060 923113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that counts as a proof hth
< 1430253190 497203 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do not have the time right now to determine if it does
< 1430253200 834157 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rather esoterically dense code
< 1430253366 537464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but all it does is calculate the expected time to escape at this time given the expected time to escape after one step.
< 1430253523 288451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the stepping function is contracting in l^1 norm, thus has a unique fixpoint.
< 1430253666 71538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in nonnegative values.
< 1430253695 16665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thus converges to
< 1430254110 840644 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the original author of the blog post weighs in on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/341ugi/a_radical_new_look_for_logarithms_interesting/cqrurrt?context=3
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< 1430254210 488166 :S0lll0s!~S0lll0s@95.91.244.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1430254228 795623 :S0lll0s!~S0lll0s@95.91.244.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I made something: https://github.com/S0lll0s/zunscript
< 1430254256 124580 :S0lll0s!~S0lll0s@95.91.244.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time I do anything meta-programming-ish
< 1430254722 828708 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Al Dente14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42774&oldid=41877 5* 03Tanner Swett 5* (+746) 10Responses
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< 1430255292 791870 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't the answer infinity?
< 1430255422 560513 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we were confused with the expected number of steps until *either* #heads or #tails leads by 50, which is indeed exactly 2500
< 1430255451 178440 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the one sided expectations are infinite
< 1430255640 651109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original question was the former
< 1430255685 175070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: ^
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< 1430255746 815074 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops; missed the vice-versa:(
< 1430255790 878188 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :S0lll0s: clicked on link, thought it had to do with 東方.
< 1430255841 863930 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am disapint
< 1430256020 944159 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/pint/point/
< 1430256062 306383 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this is cool even if it doesn't have yukkuris in it
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< 1430256838 7852 :S0lll0s!~S0lll0s@95.91.244.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hell are yukkuris?
< 1430256951 301472 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yukkuri.wikia.com/wiki/Yukkuri
< 1430257060 410341 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heads filled with delicious bean paste
< 1430257118 585254 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a subculture of a subculture within japanese otaku subculture
< 1430257281 899347 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the creator of Touhou is named (well, pseudonamed) "ZUN"
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< 1430269119 704449 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ë!
< 1430269119 919045 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: a wireworld computer around somewhere. ( sources.tar.gz sources/ comp/ scsh/ scheme/ gauche
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< 1430304613 850947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short fungot break: electricity thing.
< 1430304614 16474 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it was in
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< 1430305143 148999 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is <div/> valid HTML5?
< 1430305204 995899 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. maybe, but what would it be used for
< 1430305238 268361 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh,  colored rectangle?
< 1430305324 651120 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh
< 1430305330 982916 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like <div style="clear: both" />
< 1430305343 935776 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or <div style="width: 10px; background-color: red;" />
< 1430305377 768194 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, "In HTML 5, <foo /> means <foo>"
< 1430305422 267341 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3558119/are-self-closing-tags-valid-in-html5 )
< 1430305464 853740 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://trevorjim.com/a-grammar-for-html5/
< 1430305609 42373 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so reading further that only goes vor void tags, so <div /> should be invalid.
< 1430305614 305100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in HTML 5)
< 1430305668 539100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't know. Need to read the spec...
< 1430306055 673922 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm...
< 1430306061 790998 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :div{width:1px;}
< 1430306065 480514 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work right?
< 1430306080 440587 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so every div is one pixel wide except if you overwrite it in style
< 1430306121 354971 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :using div{width:1px;}
< 1430306131 835170 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then <div style="width:1px;"></div> causes browsers to misrender
< 1430306181 269236 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's interesting
< 1430306186 566638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430306222 236312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it causes browsers to ignore the float:left
< 1430306249 139794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :div{float:left;height:1px;} together with <div style="width:1px"></div> works
< 1430306282 568424 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but adding width:1px; to the css in order to save space by not repeating style="width:1px" for all the divs causes the browser to ignore the float:left
< 1430306971 298909 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :outrageous :(
< 1430307045 988656 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, that sounds very weird
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< 1430307222 672033 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: compare http://mroman.ch/output_ok.html with http://mroman.ch/output_wrong.html
< 1430307230 481097 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only difference is the width:1px; in the CSS
< 1430307253 604985 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrong uses width:1px; in the CSS, but overwrites it in every div inside style)
< 1430307308 694291 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, because you're also making the container div 1px wide
< 1430307314 556960 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow.
< 1430307316 166489 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wraps all the pixel-y divs
< 1430307316 782482 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx.
< 1430307339 6717 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make it <div id="container">...</div> and then style #container > div
< 1430307396 789404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1430307400 125108 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that get's me down to 260KB
< 1430307408 49170 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a table styled to have no border/padding would be slightly neater semantically
< 1430307410 734176 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by using default width:1px)
< 1430307443 748004 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use colspacing to run-length compress, akin to how you're using width
< 1430307493 613262 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it probably wouldn't save you much space (might save you a little bit since <td> is smaller than <div>, but then again you need <tr>'s around each row instead of the float hackery then
< 1430307497 993869 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1430307516 731523 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually hm, I wonder if <td> isn't one of the elements with implicit close tags
< 1430307546 960573 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :using <p> sadly doesn't work
< 1430307593 960678 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C65E.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430307622 724761 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1430307624 241471 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does :)
< 1430307630 49262 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :240KB
< 1430307650 737956 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could change background-color to just background
< 1430307678 445559 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then again, if your web server supports serving files compressed, none of this matters much at al
< 1430307697 564635 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1430307699 375935 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :205KB now.
< 1430307753 927661 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose relying on JS or any existing image format would be out of the question?
< 1430307781 162743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's xkcd: what kind of maniac puts vents in floors anyway
< 1430307794 520099 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yep
< 1430307801 120750 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gotta be pure HTML+CSS
< 1430307823 593853 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :using JS would be much easier and shorter though.
< 1430307836 160124 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not nearly as crazy as using HTML
< 1430307868 672391 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed
< 1430307951 762420 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could histogram the elements after RLE and assign frequently-used colours dedicated classes since class="a" is shorter than style="background:#FF00FF"
< 1430307973 577521 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use #F0F for e.g. #FF00FF which would help a tiny bit, too
< 1430308019 692419 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reducing all colours to three char hexstrings already
< 1430308027 527865 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1430308029 499514 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not just FF00FF but all colors)
< 1430308080 80568 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're not supporting full 24-bit colour output
< 1430308090 343408 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was
< 1430308094 621908 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1430308101 644530 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this saves a few bytes :D
< 1430308118 447359 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but reduces quality
< 1430308125 400289 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my linewise RLE already does that too
< 1430308136 418181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a <div> per pixel is really a huge overhead :(
< 1430308136 991829 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the RLE isn't lossless either?
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< 1430308142 800354 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Nope.
< 1430308154 478060 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a color-delta it accepts as "same color"
< 1430308166 152823 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(colourdiff(clr, img.getRGB(x+o, y)) < 20) {
< 1430308168 209621 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently 20
< 1430308174 663433 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :With table/tr/td you could use rowspan/colspan to do "RLE" in both directions, but then it becomes trickier
< 1430308194 108073 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you could compress a similarly-coloured rectangle into one element in the source
< 1430308227 417755 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1430308234 959120 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be tricky but doable
< 1430308314 189601 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, is bgcolor deprecated, I wonder
< 1430308336 809287 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is. Darn.
< 1430308396 977447 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "it sounds annoying" also seems to be an unusually mild reaction to dropping a phone into a vent
< 1430308430 809854 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed
< 1430308488 258945 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have vnts on the floors in my house but they are 40 cm deep and you could easily grab your phone
< 1430308537 420696 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this suppose to be a bottomless vertical vent?
< 1430308570 184226 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It empties into the black void of space
< 1430308764 143731 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's clearly not bottomless if they're contemplating pouring water and/or mercury into it hoping to get the phone back
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< 1430309176 667786 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pointed a ring-shaped rocket engine down the rim of the bottomless vent, could the phone possibly be pushed back up the centre by aerodynamic pressure?
< 1430309226 120717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: cake confirmed!
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< 1430309546 447127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smells a fizzie 
< 1430309559 284302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnily enough, I had nothing to do with the first thing.
< 1430309568 340811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the auto-rejoin functionality actually working for once.
< 1430309578 60072 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaccinations are feared to cause autism but weed is ok
< 1430309580 21123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPOSSIBLE
< 1430309597 17674 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody knows that weed is linked to developing schizophrenia, psychosis among other illnesses...
< 1430309664 496489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"linked" could mean correlation, not causation hth
< 1430309698 510348 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1430309707 412413 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430309709 652833 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much everything in psychiatry is correlation and statistics.
< 1430309715 432716 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm actually you can just point a jet engine through a funnel across the opening, lifting the phone out due to venturi effect
< 1430309719 657545 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we no shit about it :)
< 1430309721 825668 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*know
< 1430309736 441194 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This may void the warranty)
< 1430309800 985520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: and dropping it down the vent in the first place doesn't?
< 1430309899 580024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if the vent were bottomless then the phone alarm would quickly cease to be a problem hth
< 1430309986 935224 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :just open the lid?
< 1430309989 768781 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and grab the thing?
< 1430310009 991531 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe turn off moving parts first.
< 1430310414 446135 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I don't understand is how they can have a vent on the floor next to their bed in first place
< 1430311201 641739 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad has one
< 1430311207 943047 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I
< 1430311234 881418 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't they?
< 1430311237 552277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy canadians
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< 1430312180 321316 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The edit distance between 'oren' and 'oerjan' is too low :(
< 1430312188 644665 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doesn't help that weechat decided to make both of you green
< 1430312469 378074 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :oerjen
< 1430312700 202760 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca NICK :oerein
< 1430312775 767174 :oerein!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, I decided to make my ed mod actually check whther the syntax highlighter program exists
< 1430312919 982432 :oerein!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if it doesn't, then it gets confused and ouputs over 9000 ?
< 1430312999 459813 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These are your father's air vents"
< 1430313359 513664 :hamrove!~hamrove@96-8-209-215.block0.gvtc.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430313466 126079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an elegant system for a more civilized age
< 1430313493 568936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they go straight down to the reactor core hth
< 1430313815 530516 :oerjen!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerein: change that to 9999 and you're good.
< 1430314182 353310 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1430315413 796287 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1430315929 657208 :spatterworthy!187bcd2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.123.205.45 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430316007 923118 :oerein!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think the builders of this house were trying to save on ductwork
< 1430316052 261921 :oerein!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the furnace is in the basement, then having the vents on the floor reduces th4e distance
< 1430316149 827923 :oerein!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think the house originally (in ～) had
< 1430316165 49868 :oerein!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1880
< 1430316178 166085 :oerein!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fireplaces in every room
< 1430316271 113429 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to disable the nickchange/join/part/quit filter to see what was going on..
< 1430316338 861649 :oerjen!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :going on where?
< 1430316375 663138 :oerjen!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you confused?
< 1430316376 80381 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjen: pwm is something you can go get dinner. thanks, dmg?
< 1430316390 217891 :oerjen!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it's not dinner time yet.
< 1430316390 384747 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjen: implementing an event loop. :) heh.
< 1430316428 284119 :oerjen!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: carry on.
< 1430316428 449996 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjen: i often do that; do other people?
< 1430317031 533445 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1430317031 844565 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1430317055 295421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +q :oer*!*@*
> 1430317055 303667 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1430317063 382244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee if this works hth
< 1430317067 629912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1430317067 639322 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1430317082 98287 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430317300 374869 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430317824 162758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you may have to leave the channel to change nick hth)
< 1430317944 665118 :oerein!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: ivan polkka
< 1430317995 510179 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430318235 893067 :oerjen!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PART :#esoteric
< 1430318242 714629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430318246 92122 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's abuse of power!
< 1430318254 468198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA*
< 1430318255 994730 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oerjan is being mean.
< 1430318256 416739 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i thought it looked really cool in the works natively sense, seeing how much else i know.
< 1430318263 580633 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it wasn't cool :(
< 1430318295 645009 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbbA9BhCTko
< 1430318307 774231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: my brain had trouble remembering who was who hth
< 1430318402 409478 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430318459 580048 :FanFL!6b6b3a3c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.107.58.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430318480 904303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: needs to work on her finnish hth
< 1430318564 995162 :FanFL!6b6b3a3c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.107.58.60 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1430319206 453257 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OZyleriwRU
< 1430319447 943855 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you try to write into a pipe whn the buffers full?
< 1430319513 821698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it blocks?
< 1430319531 317737 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRAP
< 1430319826 778054 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote useless code to manually wait, which will never actually execute
< 1430319878 612263 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1430320018 192255 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430320049 328576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: there's probably a non-blocking write if you really want it....
< 1430320064 493609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm
< 1430320085 427515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is C where everything can fail, isn't it.
< 1430320094 207106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should leave this to the experts.
< 1430320354 191051 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1430321390 152485 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1430321761 933617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa
< 1430321830 136014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you say e.g. "an integer x s.t. x+2=4", " s.t
< 1430321844 941850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :" stands for "sigma type".
< 1430322138 33970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, phone keyboards
< 1430322208 693754 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be s,pk
< 1430322292 101345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SighreFly
< 1430323559 594086 :hamrove!~hamrove@96-8-209-215.block0.gvtc.com QUIT :Quit: hamrove
< 1430324234 407499 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s.t.? subject to
< 1430324248 902470 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` uname -a
< 1430324267 4580 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux notebook 4.0.1-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Apr 29 12:00:26 CEST 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux
< 1430324279 174212 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.0 \o/
< 1430324279 505745 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      |
< 1430324279 672117 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69      >\
< 1430324287 95484 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux
< 1430324297 339423 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :took a while
< 1430324323 443622 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux oren-X501A1 3.13.0-46-generic #79-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 10 20:06:50 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
< 1430324349 679009 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait,why do I have x86-64 thrice
< 1430324387 310915 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tri-core
< 1430324394 264500 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isnt
< 1430324448 710013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: HackEgo's vps is pretty crappy
< 1430324463 663263 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` lscpu
< 1430324464 374035 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Architecture:          x86_64 \ CPU op-mode(s):        32-bit \ Byte Order:            Little Endian \ CPU(s):                1 \ On-line CPU(s) list:   0 \ Thread(s) per core:    1 \ Core(s) per socket:    1 \ Socket(s):             1 \ Vendor ID:             User Mode Linux \ BogoMIPS:              1744.89 \ Hypervisor vendor:     VMware \ Virtua
< 1430324464 703865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it also runs the wiki)
< 1430324509 999162 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` lscpu | tail
< 1430324510 811913 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Byte Order:            Little Endian \ CPU(s):                1 \ On-line CPU(s) list:   0 \ Thread(s) per core:    1 \ Core(s) per socket:    1 \ Socket(s):             1 \ Vendor ID:             User Mode Linux \ BogoMIPS:              1305.80 \ Hypervisor vendor:     VMware \ Virtualization type:   full
< 1430324574 548976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: pretty sure s.t. in that context means "such that"
< 1430324611 885758 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it meant subject to [the restriction that]
< 1430324659 370557 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but such that does make sense
< 1430324691 725540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i suppose both work
< 1430324704 49292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual meaning is "such that" hth
< 1430324711 704888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparantly tdnh
< 1430324718 573844 :spatterworthy!187bcd2d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.123.205.45 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1430324742 507509 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TDNH
< 1430324887 266611 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't this work?    cat file | { head; tail; }
< 1430324894 838175 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does:   { head; tail; } < file
< 1430324914 101639 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the former, tail doesn't print anything
< 1430324931 124605 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please take note of https://clientarea.ramnode.com/announcements.php?id=394 and don't panic if lambdabot disappears for a bit!
< 1430324933 370608 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it has something to do with the fact that the latter is seekable but i don't really understand it
< 1430325036 226275 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: head has already consumed all the input from stdin; there's nothing left for tail to read when it finally gets the chance.
< 1430325056 978048 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the latter works
< 1430325067 740468 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second case is more interesting. let's see
< 1430325082 860596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: A. AAA. AAAAA? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1430325105 745405 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: if the input is a file, 'tail' uses lseek to find its size...
< 1430325115 292880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your explanation about seeking would seem to explain it?
< 1430325121 841502 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: OOOOOOOH
< 1430325122 674625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a funny example.
< 1430325143 558187 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wait
< 1430325158 842111 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail must know that it's a stream
< 1430325170 243390 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't lseek
< 1430325219 141499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : < file  doesn't make it fully a stream, i assume
< 1430325231 944900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fd still points to a file rather than a pipe
< 1430325232 964093 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still seekable
< 1430325234 952087 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1430325246 15360 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that one i understand
< 1430325252 195583 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one, i don't >.<
< 1430325286 197344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while ... | ... produces a non-seekable stream
< 1430325349 395891 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why does it matter?
< 1430325355 477995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Actually my explanation for the first case is wrong. It's bound to be buffering. (for me, `head` reads a 8kiB chunk)
< 1430325373 588384 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh
< 1430325387 558673 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could explain it
< 1430325423 54422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1430325487 48702 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: it even tries to fix it, note the first lseek call: http://sprunge.us/RaXi 
< 1430325527 172782 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I copied more that I wanted...
< 1430325550 35261 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/diOi  is sufficient
< 1430325592 231275 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430325618 413642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` seq 5000 | (head > /dev/null; tail)
< 1430325628 576843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4991 \ 4992 \ 4993 \ 4994 \ 4995 \ 4996 \ 4997 \ 4998 \ 4999 \ 5000
< 1430325634 845003 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` seq 50 | (head > /dev/null; tail)
< 1430325635 593487 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1430325864 378877 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you guys
< 1430325871 964784 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you rock
< 1430325963 792654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length . unwords $ map show [1..4990]
< 1430325965 272230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 23842
< 1430325985 262555 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I erred on the safe side.
< 1430326024 407413 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length . unlines $ map show [1..4990]
< 1430326025 371106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you got ridiculously close
< 1430326025 853596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 23843
< 1430326046 749518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 23842/1024
< 1430326048 308959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 23.283203125
< 1430326056 313488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look particularly round
< 1430326096 181375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait duh
< 1430326102 967163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER MIND
< 1430326134 312666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` seq 5000 | (head > /dev/null; cat)
< 1430326135 15927 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ 1861 \ 1862 \ 1863 \ 1864 \ 1865 \ 1866 \ 1867 \ 1868 \ 1869 \ 1870 \ 1871 \ 1872 \ 1873 \ 1874 \ 1875 \ 1876 \ 1877 \ 1878 \ 1879 \ 1880 \ 1881 \ 1882 \ 1883 \ 1884 \ 1885 \ 1886 \ 1887 \ 1888 \ 1889 \ 1890 \ 1891 \ 1892 \ 1893 \ 1894 \ 1895 \ 1896 \ 1897 \ 1898 \ 1899 \ 1900 \ 1901 \ 1902 \ 1903 \ 1904 \ 1905 \ 1906 \ 1907 \ 1908 \ 1909 \ 1
< 1430326159 65760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length . unlines $ map show [1..1860]
< 1430326160 538212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8193
< 1430326165 735752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUCH BETTER
< 1430326320 905262 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 999 + (8192 - (2*9 + 3*90 + 4*900) + 4) `div` 5 -- tedious
< 1430326322 333398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1860
< 1430326386 538677 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 999 - (2*9 + 3*90 + 4*900 - 8192) `div` 5
< 1430326387 890594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1860
< 1430326473 371882 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -(8192 + 9 + 99 + 999) `div` 5
< 1430326474 705642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1859
< 1430326487 634565 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -(-(8192 + 9 + 99 + 999)) `div` 5
< 1430326489 785191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1860
< 1430326733 18568 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with all those gates... this is getting silly. Tattogate, seriously?
< 1430328200 124418 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430328445 215924 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430328554 545112 :mitchs_!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1430328565 114355 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1430328761 988688 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite gate was shirtgate, in which a short with sexy ladies (drawn by a lady) caused a firestorm of people who said it was sexist
< 1430328775 49301 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/short/shirt/
< 1430328889 703186 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid functional nerds and their hyperclever data structures i don't understand
< 1430328944 199457 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1430329010 439227 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, at least it's not perl where the data structure is implicitly created by usage
< 1430329089 330080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430329119 119832 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1430329430 175528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: you find yourself trapped in a branch of a finger tree, indexed by an Endo monoid...
< 1430329590 14420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm could you replace the monoid by a category? me and elliott once figured out how to replace the _contents_ that way.
< 1430329628 74139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you do that, is it redundant to distinguish index and content?
< 1430329657 77360 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430330529 319271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1430331910 664714 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1430332308 299800 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define REM //
< 1430332460 687449 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430332757 86178 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1430332803 20360 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1430333815 743274 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm apparently comments happen before #defines
< 1430334269 263512 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define Um del(
< 1430334275 807731 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define lol )
< 1430334293 609058 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define del(x)
< 1430334315 779805 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int x=3.14; Um, this is pi, lol
< 1430334520 62090 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure XML support sucks, and the zipper library that's supposed to make it 'easier' literally doesn't work.
< 1430334836 615449 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: i'd say "lol" -> del( and "^^" -> )
< 1430334868 932285 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can define ^^ though
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< 1430335225 186054 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242511928.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you not just use one of Java's XML thingies?
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< 1430335766 801760 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML thingies?
< 1430335770 773758 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
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< 1430338704 202766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ping
< 1430338733 98829 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, see lambdabot message
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< 1430340565 631133 :S0lll0s!~S0lll0s@95.91.244.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what OOP-ish concept would you guys recommend?
< 1430340577 943587 :S0lll0s!~S0lll0s@95.91.244.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for easy implementation and a small feature set
< 1430340589 823131 :S0lll0s!~S0lll0s@95.91.244.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking something like Lua tables but I'm not sure yet
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< 1430341628 344888 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :S0lll0s, not sure how they work. What about prototype based like js though?
< 1430341643 214882 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps a more traditional vtable thing like C++
< 1430341662 773164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess duck typing like python is quite easy too
< 1430341673 137844 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in a scripting language
< 1430341724 817636 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most concepts can be quite simple when scaled down and extra features are removed
< 1430341733 534734 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you don't need python style metaclasses for example)
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< 1430342269 488331 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi!
< 1430342275 523399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Vorpal
< 1430342278 504092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen you talk here for a while
< 1430342299 584573 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua's tables are also prototype-based, but more "purely" so than JS
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< 1430342473 963321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1430342477 747319 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, ah
< 1430342769 604934 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, ais523
< 1430343025 272621 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting a local Haskell meetup group was a good idea
< 1430343123 486401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night
< 1430343968 12240 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :cu Vorpal 
< 1430344099 839054 :S0lll0s!~S0lll0s@95.91.244.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in Lua things are just hashtables
< 1430344116 16889 :S0lll0s!~S0lll0s@95.91.244.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can set a few extra "options" like a hashtable to look up missing entries in
< 1430344131 833909 :S0lll0s!~S0lll0s@95.91.244.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something to call whenever a key is added 
< 1430344155 377840 :S0lll0s!~S0lll0s@95.91.244.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there is syntactic sugar for calling a function stored in a table with that table as the first parameter
< 1430344388 684172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal Maybe it was some sort of a Dropbox fluke, it loaded for me now.
< 1430344388 885859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@2a00:d880:5:5f::ec36 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1430346495 902632 :S0lll0s!~S0lll0s@95.91.244.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just go with the Lua style
< 1430346512 276558 :S0lll0s!~S0lll0s@95.91.244.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also skipping arrays, Lua tables are the most simplistic I can think of
< 1430346532 978461 :S0lll0s!~S0lll0s@95.91.244.76 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anything more complex is easily integrated on top of them
< 1430348671 128328 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fish14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42775&oldid=42772 5* 030x0dea 5* (+47) 10Document the # mirror.
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< 1430356497 228638 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sir Lambdabellot
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< 1430375152 482621 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Fish14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42776&oldid=42775 5* 030x0dea 5* (-122) 10Replace FizzBuzz example with a stack-clean, terminating implementation.
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< 1430376289 921040 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi
< 1430376290 140775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 300620Z VRB02KT 6000 RA FEW005 SCT008 BKN020 08/07 Q1019 NOSIG
< 1430376308 494805 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yuck.
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< 1430380994 920518 :tr00p!~tr00p@91a239b67c195.greendata.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... I am proud of myself
< 1430380996 889031 :tr00p!~tr00p@91a239b67c195.greendata.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpst.tk/?LqkL
< 1430381248 540661 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Newton14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42777&oldid=40024 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+62) 10Added cat program. The instructions are unclear so I guessed some information.
< 1430381757 856891 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua's OOP is hashtables, right?
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< 1430384555 995691 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a stack + three registers enough for TC?
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< 1430385132 187363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they registers of unbounded size? I mean, two-counter Minsky machine.
< 1430385186 182873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're bounded, then I would guess no, since it's just "stack + more finite states" then.
< 1430385208 64063 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are bounded.
< 1430385392 875920 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two stacks are sufficient
< 1430385411 735865 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a queue
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< 1430386246 8974 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fiddling around with decimally encoded opcode/args and stuff
< 1430387480 603845 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring completeness imo
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< 1430392373 304307 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is a queue sufficient?
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< 1430393605 330481 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queues are self-sufficient.
< 1430394710 466055 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vriskanon... I see
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< 1430396236 599392 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring-complete languages based on queues exist, such as cyclic tag
< 1430396565 190862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"boring-complete"?
< 1430396688 459176 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the opposite of fun-complete
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< 1430397037 914514 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :show an example? :P
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< 1430399303 188667 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: they're map/table structures, but I don't know if the reference manual says whether they're strictly hashtables or not
< 1430399308 285513 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pretty much, yes
< 1430399375 750058 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No mention of 'hash' in http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html at least
< 1430399678 94739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do python-like stuff?
< 1430399681 269233 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like __gt__ and such?
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< 1430400205 741307 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Lua is better than JavaScript
< 1430400219 511441 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that assumption is based solely on knowing JavaScript.
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< 1430404514 21079 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After using both Lua and Javacript, so far I've liked how canvas works.
< 1430404519 482169 :MDream!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1430404628 184489 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also haven't used Love2D because I don't like how it expects you to make fake .exes by renaming a zip before running ti through some process and then renaming it again.
< 1430404686 892843 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not going to let actual compilation then at least let let Love2D be something that itself doens't require installation.
< 1430404774 624677 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And somethiing where for a program to use it, it can just be in a subfolder under Love2Dprogs or something.
< 1430404825 836923 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu?
< 1430404913 714873 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The canvas functions for graphical interfaces, I mean, I mean.
< 1430404949 918256 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua and Javascript both seem pretty usable to me in their current state.
< 1430405044 876741 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually use other languages much though, just read about them.
< 1430405085 872800 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Löve2D at least has some physics.
< 1430405177 790852 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like describing physics myself, it's just the hardware interface I want simple.
< 1430405398 995842 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Have you seen PICO8? ;)
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< 1430406271 559837 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, or if I did I mistook it for CHIP-8. This virtual cartridge thing seems like exactly what I wanted for Lua.
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< 1430408844 329065 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunatly I see no way to actually download it?
< 1430408918 981045 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to register for Voxatron, but there's not even an option to download Voxatron.
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< 1430409275 495430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to go to Dagobah to find the sole surviving Voxatron user hth
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< 1430411124 609177 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: yup, there are metamethods for overloading operators (__gt etc)
< 1430411259 150584 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :PICO-8 looks interesting... hm
< 1430411669 49175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ogles oren after whistling ievan polkka for the nth time ಠ_ಠ
< 1430411776 853970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also after watching too many versions including finnish a capella, finnish lumberjacks and the wiener sängerknaben.
< 1430411805 203200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and some asian ocarina playing ladies
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< 1430412641 41166 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512021.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znxPpH2MuR4
< 1430412814 884403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels a vague breeze from something passing way over his head.
< 1430412885 4488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be this newfangled tech gnome music
< 1430412961 196819 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-01-1242512021.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ya, imma TeX gnome!
< 1430413519 9431 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eyes oren suspiciously
< 1430413671 647129 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1930358/focus=1939166 ... I wonder if this will be the death of kdbus
< 1430413962 616042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone made a potato computer yet
< 1430413977 108577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can type on
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< 1430414947 489923 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fwiw, lambdabot runs on a systemd-free (but not dbusd-free) system...)
< 1430414977 76519 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uevent needs dbus, right? sigh.)
< 1430414996 284910 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you mean by potato computer?
< 1430415004 760198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: see int-e's link
< 1430415032 644266 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm waiting for the day that a major distribution ships a systemd update that bricks a ton of computers (making them unable to boot, not even in some sane recovery mode).
< 1430415054 19479 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they have already done that
< 1430415070 945627 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://web.archive.org/web/20000815202656/http://world.std.com/~fwhite/spud/
< 1430415108 249159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: those are potato batteries not computers hth
< 1430415226 526701 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any *simple* dependency based init daemon that just tries to be that without wanting to take over the whole system and desktop as well? Ideally smaller than sysvinit (init.c has almost 3k lines of code...)
< 1430415290 977524 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main point is it should have a *fixed* set of features, so it has a chance to mature and shed its bugs...
< 1430415303 925311 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't understand why init would have to handle the dependencies. couldn't that be in a separate process which init just starts at every runlevel change?
< 1430415354 255239 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it doesn't have to be init. but if I reduce init to spawning a single process then I can just as well use that process as init
< 1430415403 914104 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, init would still handle respawning the getty on the consoles, and waiting for whatever way telinit tells init to change runlevel
< 1430415419 979860 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the separate process would handle which scripts to start, dependency-based, when you change runlevel
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< 1430415444 87814 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ideally a clean interface between the two so they're modular, you can replace one or the other with a newer version
< 1430415477 475660 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus init would still have to handle waiting on orphans of course
< 1430415526 504827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you don't really have a choice about that part)
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< 1430415557 40652 :int-e_!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de NICK :int-e
< 1430415644 666640 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I'm musing, I have no clear picture of the requirements... But going on regardless, so how does init communicate that a runlevel changes ... if it happens in the middle taking care of a runlevel change?
< 1430415715 238721 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also have to admit that I don't particularly like sysvinit. It does me no harm, since it won't get in my way, but we're not friends.)
< 1430415872 392532 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess basically I'm appalled at the feature creep that systemd shows and am wondering what a viable alternative (i.e. one that distributions would be willing to adopt) would look like.
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< 1430416425 976532 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I shall have a serious look at upstart.
< 1430416889 170234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How easy is it to decide whether the intersection of regular expressions is empty?
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< 1430417161 823276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's an exponential blowup on converting it to a DFSA, from there it's relatively trivial...
< 1430417204 459035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but can you better twh
< 1430417211 22952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno hth
< 1430417218 234540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect not
< 1430417225 56158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your solution works for just about any question i'd want to ask about regular expressions
< 1430417230 210748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1430417268 523298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's probably researched this
< 1430417304 843110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait
< 1430417317 245887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you actually _need_ that conversion.
< 1430417378 487723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot see why.  just pair the NFSA states.
< 1430417383 730039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok i think it's simpler.
< 1430417433 90793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert to NFSA instead, no exponential blowup given regular expressions in the original sense
< 1430417465 482214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then pair all states and do a path reachability test
< 1430417486 970219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should be polynomial.
< 1430417527 203362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NLOGSPACE, even.
< 1430417634 973711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgtm tdh hth
< 1430417635 907802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no guarantee on the last statement)
< 1430417647 894551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sgtm
< 1430417671 590945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sergeant mustard hth
< 1430417693 490198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1430417708 882092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you're not silently giggling to yourself
< 1430417740 207668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :silently giggling to myself sounds good to me
< 1430417749 478227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so.  now food ->
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< 1430421125 61127 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: boerjanjour!
< 1430421272 413625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hemsktmyckeheily
< 1430421285 38788 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1430421289 114407 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURGH!
< 1430421296 988615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+t
< 1430421308 284342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s ok go listen to ievan polkka instead
< 1430421404 334988 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nupurista koolu se polokan ta ti ♪
< 1430421445 917973 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a t/aht/
< 1430421455 218723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing like a shared earworm
< 1430421466 58775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now imagines something gross
< 1430421672 465644 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitting an earworm is like generating a new apple through Bananach-Tarski.
< 1430421794 785116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with sufficiently bad apples, those may be part of the same process
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< 1430424610 180030 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pasterack.org/pastes/55501
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< 1430428447 571081 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan>   also after watching too many versions including finnish a capella, finnish lumberjacks and the wiener sängerknaben.   ← oh, I wasn't the only one doing that
< 1430428465 865088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HelloreFly
< 1430428553 872104 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hachaf
< 1430428619 455190 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :This version of Ievan Polkka is nice, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O79kyDNiBqQ
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< 1430428724 768265 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FirelloFly. nice find!
< 1430428818 967507 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what the fungot is that character: 甩)
< 1430428819 261350 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: check back in a couple of the peppers to build up
< 1430428827 691060 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I highly doubt it's a pepper.
< 1430428827 907062 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: will do. the player works... fnord... i'd better don't try then.
< 1430428846 235297 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nope. ain't trying that on that se.
< 1430428846 600399 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: or is failing. i felt so clever when i started to work on my own
< 1430428873 721579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i would listen to it if i had headphones hth
< 1430428904 974249 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: sorry. it's not a se, it's a guzheng. but good practice to you!
< 1430428905 178339 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: there is port to freebsd and so on
< 1430428915 1050 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: sadly I don't know chinese
< 1430428930 917022 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I didn't know I could play Chinese stringed instruments on freebsd.
< 1430428935 254599 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: tdh
< 1430428950 59457 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I wikipediaed the stuff.
< 1430428963 740739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: have you considered changing your nick to HugFly
< 1430428967 264388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or FireHug
< 1430428970 228173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
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< 1430428994 997850 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
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< 1430429123 455201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :more hugs
< 1430429142 634032 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer GHC over hugs to be honest
< 1430429170 784156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you prefer a haskell implementation to hugs?
< 1430429197 613649 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer one haskell implementation over another
< 1430429204 338647 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs shachaf
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< 1430429976 127151 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C65E.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I noticed your question on crypto stack exchange
< 1430430022 773831 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C65E.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :there doesn't seem to be an obvious security flaw in the scheme, but I think a simple XOR would be easier
< 1430430055 529183 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C65E.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, it would be faster and the keyspace would be larger)
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