> 1430088214 818246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430088215 994861 :glogbot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric > 1430088218 873403 JOIN :#esoteric > 1430088219 379387 JOIN :#esoteric < 1430088219 789345 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1430088223 552101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1430088245 692265 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :prgmr moved my server and apparently they didn't start properly >: ( < 1430088259 369671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never knows when is a good time to ping Gregor  < 1430088273 681993 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does Gregor. < 1430088290 129942 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you /msg me instead of the channel then I'll see it later more easily *shrugs* < 1430088296 350721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1430088301 378729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1430089306 667465 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what kind of technical measures Freenode employs to make privmsg spam unattractive. < 1430089315 693075 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07There Once was a Fish Named Fred14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42763&oldid=34094 5* 03Charlie 5* (+558) 10 < 1430089361 905753 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Given my past experiences, my guess is "none" < 1430089377 385639 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suspect there must be something, since the only kind of that spam that I'v ever seen were private messages in reaction to channel messages.) < 1430089416 959549 :fizzie!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a technical reason when they K-line people after you complain about spam? < 1430089421 961437 :fizzie!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/reason/measure/ < 1430089449 219155 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not if it involves actual people pulling the trigger < 1430089485 992456 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :As usual, there's no clear boundary there. < 1430089638 886902 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's really just diligent staff combined with flood protection and obscurity of IRC. < 1430089810 242192 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm hoping for honeypots (imagine a few idlers on ##freenode such that if any two of them get privmsged by the same user within 10 minutes, that user gets k-lined) < 1430089837 378768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, #freenode. < 1430089860 543613 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some description somewhere of exactly how gairaigo are produced from English words? < 1430089933 142076 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1430089943 187444 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makudonarudu? < 1430089947 238765 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-205.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1430089973 751414 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, none that I know of. < 1430089984 445227 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-205.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1430089984 445292 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1430089992 77090 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1430090018 921770 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pasokon! < 1430090194 224454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, n. I guess that's better than mu. < 1430090220 792603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which would be an extra syllable) < 1430090338 34581 :hamrove!~hamrove@96-8-209-215.block0.gvtc.com QUIT :Quit: hamrove < 1430090512 139427 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :パソコンㇺ < 1430090534 630280 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to be confused with パソコンム < 1430090669 573176 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually makudonarudo < 1430090772 538079 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't many rules, but ending consonants are made with *u except for t which instead uses to < 1430090891 669029 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ending R is typically done by elongating the vowel the way people from Britain do. E.g stars -> sutaazu < 1430091117 423666 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, words with 'wh' begin with 'ho' e.g. whiteboard -> howaitoboodo < 1430091150 560914 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as much as I try to really grok ソ and ン, I always mix them together. < 1430091157 819855 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even though in mopdern english wh sounds exactlye the same as w) < 1430091279 821906 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mostly wondering about the vowels. < 1430091308 434209 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ソ the small stroke ends to the left of where the long stroke begins. in ン the small stroke is above the long stroke and ends above where the long stroke beigns < 1430091379 809964 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. but at a glance they're pretty much all the same, at least when using a display font. < 1430091395 409440 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :handwritten it's a completely different matter, as stroke order isn't the same. < 1430091426 617806 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does /æ/ become "a" or "e"? Do /ɑː/ and /ɒ/ become "a" or "aa"? Does /iː/ always become "ii"? Are /ɜr/ and /ər/ always "aa"? < 1430091440 333209 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on and so forth forever. < 1430091501 74010 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it probably depends on whether the individual words was imported from Britain or America (or in many cases Germany) < 1430091525 69074 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/æ/ becomes a. /ɑː/ and /ɒ/ usually become o (IIRC). /iː/ iifies, and the latter aa. < 1430091547 207105 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aa, from the verb "to aa": to become aa.) < 1430091600 361713 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "father" and "wasp" become "fozaa" and "wosupu"? < 1430091626 72697 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1430091675 511503 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently it is faazaa < 1430091683 746603 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :faazaa makes sense. < 1430091690 367330 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :different accent, see!!?! < 1430091716 520265 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, English has too many vowels. < 1430091718 904458 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like to point out that my English accent is unreliable at best < 1430091723 596695 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has so many vowels that nobody knows how many vowels it has. < 1430091748 712179 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done a count for my accent of 14 < 1430091751 456548 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme see exactly how many vowels my particular accent has. < 1430091828 410294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :vowels are in too continuous to be able to make discrete counts, really < 1430091833 379799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in// < 1430091854 133930 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me, they're definitely discrete. < 1430091898 558637 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my previous count disagrees with my current count < 1430091908 189406 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 TOPIC #esoteric :Vowel Continuum | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ < 1430091940 279215 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric : So "father" and "wasp" become "fozaa" and "wosupu"? < 1430091942 67966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha < 1430091949 955309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are totally different vowel sounds for me < 1430091963 890362 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :/æ/, /ɑ/, /ɔː/, maybe /ə/, /ɪ/, /iː/, /eɪ/, /ɛ/, /ər/, /ʌ/, /ʊ/, /uː/, I'm not counting /juː/, /aɪ/, /ɔɪ/... < 1430091997 516518 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they're totally different vowel sounds for a lot of people, but Japanese is inevitably going to round some distinct pairs of English vowels to the same Japanese vowel. < 1430092022 617172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1430092036 247345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed this was some foolhardy phonetic standardisation attempt :/ < 1430092067 794071 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :/oʊ/, /aʊ/, /ɑr/, /ɪər/, /ɛər/, /ɔr/, /ʊər/, I'm not counting /jʊər/ either. < 1430092163 284414 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ʉ/ also. < 1430092169 613712 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have 21 in total, 15 non-rhotic and 6 rhotic. < 1430092230 493829 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm including /ə/ in that count because even in very careful speech I sometimes pronounce it distinctly from /ʌ/. < 1430092240 934258 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I have 16 total < 1430092347 331526 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat kate cart pet peat kit kite bird cot coat court cook cow cut coot cute cure < 1430092348 155624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't even know how to count < 1430092354 292241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a "Advanced Modular Music"; which is based on a sample ROM (of mono 8-bit or 16-bit samples), a sample header list (the offset, looping, center frequency, and auto-vibrato settings), a memory map of several registers per channel, and a 6502 code to control the register writes. < 1430092365 821778 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that's 17 < 1430092367 810180 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1430092385 471503 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kite's a diphthong right < 1430092389 551229 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah. < 1430092406 568389 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. can't count how many I distinguish. < 1430092408 350594 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like cut + keet < 1430092422 34156 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin_: ooh, you sound like a Canadian raiser. < 1430092435 913858 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I do have a split that might be unusual. < 1430092448 707716 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me, the words "holy" and "lowly" don't rhyme. < 1430092457 579623 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :My best attempt at representing the distinction in IPA... < 1430092489 363249 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/holi/, /lʌwli/? < 1430092498 527040 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"holy" is /hɔli/, "lowly" is /louli/. < 1430092505 213786 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that. < 1430092509 416204 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to use [] instead of //. < 1430092528 299732 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a monophthongization of /oʊ/ before /l/. < 1430092656 706657 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, for me holy would rhyme with loli but now lowly < 1430092677 843041 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/now/not/ < 1430092690 27603 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowly has a w < 1430092743 606839 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin_: do "bowl" and "pole" rhyme for you? < 1430092748 722399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-9.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The register per channel includes: 16.16 fixed point frequency, sample number, volume control, filter cutoff, filter resonance, filter mode (low-pass, high-pass, or off), and one register per pair of channels to activate FM synthesis and set the feedback amount. Each channel also has command registers to reset the phase and to multiply/divide the frequency quickly. < 1430092754 164958 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1430092776 92626 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sound like "holy", I imagine? < 1430092796 816056 :orin_!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP140-03-1279268808.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes