; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool)S
< 1425246345 886053 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1425246356 356571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, to elaborate, I think they call it the Googleplex or something.
< 1425246360 924581 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, it logs all channels I'm not, not just #esoteric
< 1425246371 342945 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, And I'm on like 80 channels over 10 networks
< 1425246379 860224 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously?
< 1425246388 644119 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, probably closer to a hundred
< 1425246393 648717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't countet
< 1425246398 94130 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a while
< 1425246409 785166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, need to do something with the logs
< 1425246410 87264 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm literally on 1 channel with my client set to alert me when fungot goes back online.
< 1425246410 993726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logging all the channels you're *not* is pretty impressive.
< 1425246437 110805 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Vorpal, you could always try gzip.
< 1425246440 348156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425246445 570311 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42070&oldid=42063 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+2457) 10
< 1425246449 148618 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm on I meant
< 1425246460 102210 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, step 1 would be to split it by year or channel
< 1425246467 477652 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :by year to begin with, that is easier
< 1425246474 714529 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because ls is taking ages in that directory
< 1425246475 252700 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Don't the channels already have logs for this?
< 1425246483 12072 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, not all no
< 1425246516 259257 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Well, maybe write a script which sorts them+clumps them into 1 file per year.
< 1425246525 13841 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*per year per channel
< 1425246569 165948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1425246599 248688 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do these logs run across decades?
< 1425246657 517084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I keep only the current year on the VPS, and the rest only locally. With "net/chan/YYYY-mm.log" filenames and a month per file.
< 1425246665 960518 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, not on this host no, they just run since 2013, since I started using that bouncer back then
< 1425246677 610002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this is on my RPi
< 1425246690 93608 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, I have older logs in different formats elsewhere, going back to mid 00s
< 1425246697 535229 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, And before that I wasn't on IRC
< 1425246701 240397 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425246734 676591 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone fell on the street snow and opened
< 1425246743 315107 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1425246744 645693 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That generally isn't a good thing.
< 1425246754 585698 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425246770 803487 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "opened", what do you mean?
< 1425246811 293695 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you need an unbreakable phone. Like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ericsson_R310s
< 1425246825 599626 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: the back and battery came off
< 1425246834 12746 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snow got into the battery compartment and don't know where else
< 1425246840 794646 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...That's not good, wait for it to dry.
< 1425246847 804772 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now have it opened and put silica gel packets on it
< 1425246856 650283 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long should I wait?
< 1425246862 823235 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the battery came out *before* the phone got into the snow...
< 1425246871 166189 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, during the impact)
< 1425246886 242767 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably best to wait as long as you can.
< 1425246888 6308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember to not eat the silica gel when you're done.
< 1425246891 346409 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I'm not totally certain if it did or not
< 1425246900 934301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD
< 1425246910 400000 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the phone's battery didn't pop out by itself.
< 1425246924 147302 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's likely it powered down before any water actually got in.
< 1425246939 117393 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not accounting for capacitors here, I know.)
< 1425246941 541773 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also glad I didn't get run over
< 1425246944 880539 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1425246964 689830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Silica gel, do not eat" was our stock phrase we used whenever the cat was eating something it wasn't supposed to be eating.
< 1425247017 71437 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I need to update my znc
< 1425247028 939642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean even if it isn't silica gel?
< 1425247050 366103 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425247067 722412 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ha
< 1425247069 321043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes. In fact, I don't think the cat ever tried to eat silica gel.
< 1425247071 127177 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah*
< 1425247106 612251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly just cardboard and paper stuff.
< 1425247158 892821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes headphone cables.
< 1425247177 389249 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how much time do your logs cover?
< 1425247206 742035 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should start logging irc if the logs are that small
< 1425247213 297720 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425247234 864024 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 GB? Small?
< 1425247246 577194 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: yes, that's small
< 1425247249 435852 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 2 years(okay, across 80 channels but whatever)
< 1425247257 706800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I need to get to sleep, early flight to CA tomorrow.)
< 1425247268 33432 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, as I said, on that computer, since 2013
< 1425247279 587876 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I work with videos, they've distorted my sense of size, sorry
< 1425247288 269224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And uncompressed
< 1425247289 705944 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: thanks
< 1425247298 994471 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me ssh to the computer with my older logs
< 1425247303 747958 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I understand in the context of videos being big, they're videos.
< 1425247330 392576 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wish you well on your mission to do whatever it is you plan to do.
< 1425247334 130652 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: some irc channels have a lot more traffic than this one
< 1425247374 498188 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...This one has a decent amount of traffic whenever there's actually a chat going on. (When there isn't, then...)
< 1425247417 308883 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not, they are on an external HDD
< 1425247420 285021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Thanks. Though it's just a business trip. Google seems to want all new employees to be dazzled by their "main" campus for a week or two.
< 1425247451 962134 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1425247536 564073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: come on, these days 2 GB of logs fits in the RAM and you can search it in a second
< 1425247556 814475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have that much RAM though
< 1425247575 271576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? My tablet has 2 GB RAM
< 1425247579 643343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone probably too
< 1425247597 184011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I do have more than enough disk space, and they could be stored in a SQLite database in order to do search, too
< 1425247599 59646 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This old laptop has 4 GB RAM
< 1425247602 446800 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a Core 2 Duo
< 1425247615 310381 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, or postgresql
< 1425247616 551895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Your RPi doesn't.
< 1425247620 583303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Indeed
< 1425247637 156917 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nor does my router
< 1425247641 904376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This phone's got 3, I think.
< 1425247647 980838 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what model?
< 1425247657 353408 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1425247662 851275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they put a gigabyte or something on the new RPi.
< 1425247671 17924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you could use PostgreSQL instead if you prefer, although I don't know how to write extensions for PostgreSQL, nor do I know about if it support such thing like recursive WITH clauses, views with triggers attached, etc
< 1425247682 83519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nexus 6, the phablet one.
< 1425247693 7542 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it? As a phone?
< 1425247704 208613 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also doesn't it have raw image support? Tried that yet?
< 1425247712 411399 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, this machine doesn't have 2G ram either, but I work with machines that have 8Gg or 16G
< 1425247724 945449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of like it, but I'm a bit strange. Some people hate the form factor.
< 1425247730 280954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also what happened to your old N900?
< 1425247733 555805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once asked before about name-mangling with DLL files, but as it turns out now, the DLLs I was using don't need name-mangling (the program disables name-mangling for the two functions it exports), and I was able to write it in C, after fixing the provided header file by adding a "#ifndef __cplusplus" area with typedefs in it.
< 1425247769 784250 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, my desktop has 16 GB, my work laptop as well
< 1425247777 732179 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though my next work laptop will have 32 GB
< 1425247779 482949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Holding my Finnish SIM card for the transition period. Not sure what to use it for after that.
< 1425247784 884193 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Going to be replaced this summer)
< 1425247787 109196 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: good to hear
< 1425247793 373803 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1425247825 163447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The battery on the N900 is kind of dying.
< 1425247850 774639 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need 2G to run an irc client of course
< 1425247852 359891 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, znc 1.6 needs C++11 which means GCC 4.8 not 4.6, which means I can't use distcc as I lack that compiler on my desktop
< 1425247857 617732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For ARM that is)
< 1425247862 946183 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this will take a while
< 1425247865 147484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although last I looked it was still easy to get replacements.
< 1425247873 520603 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1425247902 945097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I use a Sony Xperia Z2 nowdays, works well. No raw image support currently thoug
< 1425247905 652509 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :though*
< 1425247914 997490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they will add that in when it gets Android 5
< 1425248047 553828 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425248055 673837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I picked a Nexus thing, since it seemed like the natural choice, given the circumstances.
< 1425248069 801728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1425248083 417182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it would probably be better to have a bit more device diversity among developers.
< 1425248094 85282 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1425248112 180171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, surely you have an array for testing the app with at work?
< 1425248122 521711 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do they expect you to use your private phone for that?
< 1425248159 273557 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425248194 596972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but the developers would be in the best position to fix the bugs if they encountered them in their day-to-day use.
< 1425248202 484186 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1425248249 935751 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-70.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1425248255 726185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this isn't entirely a private phone, in the sense that they paid for it.
< 1425248280 14814 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I love the Nexus 10, sad they have discontinued big tablets in the Nexus series (since the battery in that thing is starting to die)...
< 1425248295 866167 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Means I'm going for something else next time
< 1425248301 342937 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a Galaxy Tab or Note
< 1425248340 634501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The xperia tablets are just 8"
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< 1425248354 836954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, that is the compact edition
< 1425248394 759165 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there no non-compact?
< 1425248425 283768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read my latest session of level20.tex (and the previous one) yet? Do you like this? Is there a typographical error or something else that could be improved?
< 1425248431 462012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't...
< 1425248448 784266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the Nexus 9. Though it's still pretty small.
< 1425248464 175342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.9" or so.
< 1425248600 722183 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 10-11" is what I want
< 1425248616 270703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 5, a 6, a 7v1 and a 7v2 nowadays. Though I only own the 6 and the 7v1, the other two are devel-device loaners.
< 1425248620 128285 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, all the search results are Samsung
< 1425248649 283654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :On prisjakt.nu at least
< 1425248656 990762 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which tends to be pretty good
< 1425248718 507860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is Note, Tab or Tab Pro?
< 1425248756 290209 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and a Gigaset device, whatever that is
< 1425248765 216373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea on those. Do they all do the pen thing, or is that just Note?
< 1425248869 889859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think that is just note
< 1425248877 795848 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a fan of Touchwiz though
< 1425248880 389603 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...
< 1425248899 705606 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not getting a Note one, because the pen will probably not work on a non-stock ROM
< 1425248913 124545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah um...
< 1425248926 283668 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I need to sleep, good night
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< 1425249253 866433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditto.
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< 1425250314 530886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know #esoteric has seen it before
< 1425250320 324019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm going to link http://boundvariable.org/task.shtml again because it's so awesome
< 1425250332 689954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it kind-of hides the reason why it's awesome until you actually get some distance into the task, though)
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< 1425253124 298841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have changed this puzzle http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.2
< 1425253146 618540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Opponent now has 2x Sages of the Anima)
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< 1425254657 826521 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : but I'm going to link http://boundvariable.org/task.shtml again because it's so awesome
< 1425254667 988393 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No loop operations except load program...
< 1425254680 180195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's usable as a goto
< 1425254691 350749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can load the program you're currently running
< 1425254697 573236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the interesting part isn't really the VM
< 1425254704 300736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the program that runs on it
< 1425254716 409399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's well worth implementing the VM just to run that program
< 1425254717 314933 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it self-modifying?
< 1425254722 998917 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be nice to reverse engineer it.
< 1425254735 551415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck reverse engineering it
< 1425254743 213494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be possible, but would be a bunch of effort
< 1425254748 429216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the source is public but that's cheating)
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< 1425254884 203419 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disassembly should be enough :P
< 1425254958 500145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: here, have a UM interpreter: http://sprunge.us/BOeA
< 1425254961 768210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can run the codex on it
< 1425254979 785679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my first one was written in Perl but it was too slow)
< 1425255007 156684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's an updated version that works on 64-bit processors; a 32-bit version is much simpler because you can store a host machine pointer as a UM integer)
< 1425255107 6875 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears to output another program. :P
< 1425255155 852647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes
< 1425255162 605785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, run that program
< 1425255168 402557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a moment, I forgot it needed decompression
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< 1425255454 474879 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting :P
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< 1425258739 663394 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are so many ads using data: URLs these days?
< 1425258746 305958 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it bypass ad blockers or something?
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< 1425258785 584903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may bypass some blockers I suppose, although you might be able to tell it to block data: URLs too
< 1425258850 796116 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Poiuyqwert14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42073&oldid=24867 5* 0350.152.240.108 5* (+14) 10/* Contact */
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< 1425260149 642864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which random number generator are faster in 6502, is it Xorshift, ARCFOUR, or Mersenne?
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< 1425266146 708441 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 http://pastebin.com/TscXMrUw < Bugging the interpreter worked very well.
< 1425266146 854393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1425267793 217668 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :-b+or-sqrt(b^2-4ac)/2a
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< 1425268360 659632 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any reason I should have that expression above memorized instead of googling it?
< 1425268456 735128 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also increasingly skeptical as to whether in the future people will need to do algebra by hand
< 1425268744 473269 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so overall, I think i'm becoming even more extreme than the #dontstayinschool guy
< 1425268833 496474 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we need a curriculum that starts with the basics: logic, set theory and Lisp.
< 1425268898 145186 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, new math?
< 1425268968 155183 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then after that, numbers and the infinitesimal calculus
< 1425269039 187321 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :discrete math, statistics, probability and information is another useful path
< 1425269060 437018 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that would be grades 4-6
< 1425269094 754425 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe 5-8
< 1425269120 855881 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp should probably come before logic and maybe set theory though
< 1425269285 205258 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition they really should teach a course on "being a grownup" in high school: how to tie a tie, how to go to an interview, how to not be an incompetent weasel...
< 1425269377 211767 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that last one can't be taught...
< 1425269451 95247 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they make classes like mandatory, which I hate
< 1425269527 160347 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like => like that
< 1425269561 891417 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes and: "How to cook your own food"
< 1425269605 164246 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :several of my colleagues are apparently afraid to turn on a stove
< 1425269609 272479 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we actually had that class in high school, it was called home economics
< 1425269621 152467 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they don't have that in Canada
< 1425269663 583933 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly your education system is a bit better then ours
< 1425269900 410051 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how to research" was taought to me, but it focused on how to write citations in the correct format, rather than how to find accurate information
< 1425269947 289881 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that was taught just as poorly here
< 1425269960 592415 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we were also pointed at the citation machine
< 1425269991 547580 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my approach to "how to cite properly" is "how to use bibtex"
< 1425270244 577850 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: my approach is "copypaste the citation link"
< 1425270303 636150 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although to be honest it's been years since i've had to cite anythign
< 1425270719 356710 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, formally, I mean. I cite things all the time, but the citation is usually just a bare url)
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< 1425270994 383431 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought you meant export the citation in bibtext format, like the button here http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=367199
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< 1425271065 154789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bibtex
< 1425271110 697467 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fingers get away from me sometimes
< 1425271136 163386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the feeling
< 1425271173 42592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnordbot: how's your training going
< 1425271173 564315 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yet," he was saying, " magrathea is a myth, a fairy story, it's what parents tell their kids at school nicknamed him ix, which in the language. " why," he was saying, " magrathea is a myth, a fairy story, it's what parents tell their kids at school nicknamed him ix, which in the language. ford was running after him very fast? " very pretty," he said to a small lump of green and blue. a galactic civilization, leapt to th
< 1425271203 54558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a half-loop, fancy
< 1425271259 217525 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :f nord bot = f sud top
< 1425271271 640730 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days when I misspell something it is usually because my fingers went with a more probably letter sequence
< 1425271309 765981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds probably
< 1425271316 997178 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like a half controlled markov chain
< 1425271417 79426 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I should pay more attention
< 1425271472 446161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the fun in that
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< 1425271599 856891 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did people become persons?
< 1425271662 790115 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people complained about it in the 19th century
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< 1425271756 480529 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaugh what
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< 1425271833 951711 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn it that is some kind of... object of a type in the same kind as puns
< 1425271968 717134 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your sentences seem like non-sequitors
< 1425272012 966155 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are partially in the context of reading my KRR textbook
< 1425272039 323543 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So without that context they have nothing to follow
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< 1425272116 464188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would help if you told us wtf KRR means
< 1425272136 993413 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowledge Representation and Reasoning
< 1425272189 84678 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Krasnodar international airport
< 1425272261 717782 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, it is mostly about computers doing first order logic
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< 1425274235 417205 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to put the rules for satisfaction of a formula by an interpretation in my notes, but I decided to just put "the rules for satisfaction are obvious"
< 1425274279 190062 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you simply recapitulate the formula's internal logical structure in the external logic
< 1425274409 352433 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a tedious and pointless process
< 1425274474 267502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I still do algebra by hand at least, sometimes
< 1425274497 461093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if I have a lot of such quadratic formulas to calculate, I will put it into the computer
< 1425274516 708109 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just type them into wolfram alpha
< 1425274547 159351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally prefer to make such calculations locally though
< 1425274832 975673 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1425274862 848376 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425275163 518186 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1425275368 797557 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425275509 948488 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425275733 185262 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1425275757 893897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How difficult is it to clone a mask image to make a IC out of?
< 1425276249 440042 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1425276517 532345 :AnxiousGarlic!~Spider@130.225.244.206 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425276560 747877 :AnxiousGarlic!~Spider@130.225.244.206 PART :#esoteric
< 1425276671 600405 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425277389 767917 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1425277439 304298 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425278093 56996 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-fJP9_CMAAd_nS.jpg
< 1425278689 596326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1425279020 390044 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1425279056 603595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425279128 600818 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425279549 758946 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1425279588 815273 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425279944 817275 :doesthiswork!~Adium@71-20-42-132.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1425280784 93055 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1425281177 24145 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is fnord, oerjan
< 1425281486 807329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is, i cannot say
< 1425281513 57295 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn e_books
< 1425281539 470862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :books, eh
< 1425281585 254785 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1425281800 603472 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425282600 255544 :v4s!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1425283264 311062 :v4s!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425284058 328414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write a fnordbot
< 1425284058 572371 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: more a sort of... do it really, cosmically speaking, so stop whatever you're doing?" he just have to be," said vroomfondel in an awed whisper, " think our brains must a man walk down? he grinned a stupid hopeful. walk to the bridge at that, i can tell." " everyone? a sudden silence afterwards." a thought. arthur lolled. a million-gallon vat of custard? " then who is it," he shouted to the guard, " not really. " we had a
< 1425284064 278787 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol what
< 1425284078 34290 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there ARLEADY IS a fnordbot?
< 1425284078 283136 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: them, at the very moment the words i seem to be having tremendous difficulty in finding the floor. " what a dull name," he was saying, " magrathea is a myth, a fairy story, it's what parents tell their kids at school nicknamed him ix, which in the language. " it was a tough assignment," he said to a small lump of green and blue. at the moment. a slight hiss built into a deafening roar the engines. he had no discernible
< 1425284080 114755 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1425284080 261388 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: irc*
< 1425284085 768513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh that's fungot
< 1425284095 88192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnordbot is temporarily filling in for our trapped fungot
< 1425284095 583303 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bulldozers? all his heirs are now long dead, and this is frankie, " a simple one! you home wreckers!" ford would have to go. " i don't want to go to work at," and he turned. " but who the man with the five heads all the tests, learning to distinguish between him pretending to be an out, " hey listen! i think we've got a deal," he was saying, " magrathea is a myth, a fairy story, it's what parents tell their kids at scho
< 1425284160 901957 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It felt so empty without fungot
< 1425284166 34526 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like nobody to talk to
< 1425284172 830054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean there are people in here
< 1425284180 483595 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the most serious talks can only be held with fungot.
< 1425284187 465027 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnordbot: Isn't that right?
< 1425284187 611913 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: matrix, right," shouted ford. " i don't want to go to work at," and he turned. " but you will when i was a kid you just saved a lot. " so all i have to do in order to find this wretched," he was saying, " magrathea is a myth, a fairy story, it's what parents tell their kids at school nicknamed him ix, which in the language. " why," a voice said " i seem to be having tremendous difficulty in finding the floor. " what a d
< 1425284187 758236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this replacement is a little _too_ verbose.
< 1425284278 298779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write my own IRC-Bot
< 1425284282 187594 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with blackjack and hookers
< 1425284647 869775 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425284772 7634 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1425284777 296713 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :simpleirc is bugged
< 1425284795 720796 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :connect config False True
< 1425284802 684810 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should enter a listen loop
< 1425284804 579726 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't.
< 1425284931 492787 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it terminates immediately after sending USER NICK
< 1425284942 48393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which suggests EOF?
< 1425284971 253817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the irc server terminates the connection for some reason
< 1425284994 462419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to write IRC-Bot in SQL? I wrote a C program that implements IRC-Bot with SQL
< 1425285023 249500 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out why simpleirc doesn't seem to be able to properly connect to irc.freenode.net
< 1425285025 74761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell it to load the database containing configuration and triggers to tell it what it will cause.
< 1425285037 498328 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It connects, but disconnects after sending USER
< 1425285039 546623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is simpleirc? Maybe then we can learn why it doesn't work.
< 1425285082 874973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I do not understand simpleirc then how can I answer your question please?
< 1425285098 420733 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hackage.haskell.org/package/simpleirc-0.3.0/docs/src/Network-SimpleIRC-Core.html#connect
< 1425285279 357863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a disconnect event right after sending NICK followed by USER
< 1425285319 577027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try a proxy to record it?
< 1425285390 239559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it doesn't properly wait for the response?
< 1425285393 959966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1425285402 112347 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use my tcp relay program :D
< 1425285544 829595 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> :hobana.freenode.net NOTICE * :*** No Ident response
< 1425285549 538576 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost connection...
< 1425285669 213570 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow
< 1425285674 370455 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ping timeout might be too low :D
< 1425285728 95136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1425285729 680247 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaaah
< 1425285739 109254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought those were milliseconds
< 1425285763 497304 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :bunbunbot
< 1425285853 788129 :bunbunbot!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch NICK :mroman
< 1425285917 931307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no killer rabbits in the channel!
< 1425286476 83880 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425286482 641076 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :\^lol
< 1425286483 898298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOO
< 1425286489 349938 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :danm.
< 1425286490 904138 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1425286498 302173 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\lol
< 1425286504 388373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :y u no working
< 1425286505 18797 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1425286517 591970 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that doesn't sound good. do you not get even some message about why it's terminated you?
< 1425286518 736290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts preparing the holy hand grenade
< 1425286520 545539 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425286526 134246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1425286535 28424 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :three, sir
< 1425286543 57072 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: simpleirc has a timeout after which it disconnects if it hasn't received a ping from the server
< 1425286550 60675 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i set that timeout to like 0.00003 seconds
< 1425286553 892347 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1425286555 352462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: good man
< 1425286562 243882 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that explains it
< 1425286563 270817 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if simpelirc doesn't receive any message within 0.00003 seconds it will disconnect :D
< 1425286614 914268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit impatient for a bot
< 1425286778 365221 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away*
< 1425286791 897606 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bs.isSuffixOf is apparanteley not working
< 1425286796 827167 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BS.isSuffixOf
< 1425286875 229350 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1425286962 266019 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1425287019 401362 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425287338 6649 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1425287350 307357 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425287352 9405 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\lol
< 1425287352 156151 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
< 1425287358 464404 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1425287368 254296 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\html
< 1425287368 400375 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error "(line 1, column 4):\nunexpected \"\\\"\"\nexpecting space or \">\""
< 1425287374 652697 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1425287380 521604 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\html foo
< 1425287380 668108 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node "b" [] [Text "foo"]
< 1425287393 123227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :psst irc doesn't use html
< 1425287396 263180 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\html foo
< 1425287396 409463 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node "b" [("weight","bold")] [Text "foo"]
< 1425287404 185226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1425287407 191477 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunbunbot does!
< 1425287414 997781 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunbunbot knows all about them HTMlz
< 1425287438 576355 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so..
< 1425287441 647685 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :any feature wishes? :D
< 1425287471 159661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a death ray
< 1425287476 746972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy
< 1425287630 956982 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425287718 178440 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use [i]bbcode[/i]?
< 1425288124 999333 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425288126 649327 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 5
< 1425288126 892259 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5
< 1425288130 926107 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 5 5?+
< 1425288131 205519 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10
< 1425288134 965866 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 1R@
< 1425288135 207632 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1425288138 486362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 1R@L[
< 1425288138 634191 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1425288142 668352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 1R@10.+
< 1425288142 814949 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10}
< 1425288149 591054 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you bunbunbot
< 1425288152 568293 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\kill b_jonas
< 1425288152 714815 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Fight me u lil bitch!
< 1425288175 11191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think someone here in the channel dislikes that word hth
< 1425288181 665412 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1425288185 16424 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425288197 869293 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a meme I guess?
< 1425288205 715802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that fluffy animal thingy?
< 1425288393 692810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say something about someone here's response to that except someone here also dislikes when i put words in their mouth hth
< 1425288584 816424 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425288591 204077 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1425288595 87723 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\rc {x.x}
< 1425288595 318574 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425288600 154375 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1425288640 596061 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425288643 75774 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\rc {x.x}
< 1425288643 222072 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{x.(x)}
< 1425288650 433845 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\rc ({x.x}y)
< 1425288650 635850 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1425288686 154329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\rc ({x.(xx)}{x.(xx)})
< 1425288686 354570 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1425288695 496087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISAPPOINT
< 1425288703 713067 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\annoy oerjan
< 1425288703 859652 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What color does the dress have?
< 1425288713 323950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue and black hth
< 1425288744 41159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that's going to get shoutouts everywhere
< 1425288758 353673 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\rc {f.{x.x(fx)}}
< 1425288758 500238 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: (line 1, column 8):
< 1425288758 646500 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected "("
< 1425288758 646627 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting white space or "}"
< 1425288769 628601 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\rc {f.{x.(x(fx))}}
< 1425288769 775168 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{f.{x.((x)((f)(x)))}}
< 1425288776 992383 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\rc ({f.{x.(x(fx))}}q)
< 1425288777 139026 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{x.((x)((q)(x)))}
< 1425288784 291226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\rc ({f.{x.(x(fx))}}qv)
< 1425288784 437875 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(v(qv))
< 1425288793 540166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that was the original. on wired it looked gold and white.
< 1425288853 511488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\help
< 1425288853 746009 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425288864 30565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunbunbot never helps :(
< 1425288941 707335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\ doesn't really clash with fungot because you cannot really define commands with symbolic chars
< 1425288962 719473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're all coerced to . or something)
< 1425289010 423560 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425289085 492541 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1425289085 660007 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: irc*
< 1425289175 823750 :koo7!~kook@236.152.broadband3.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425289210 601957 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425289212 223495 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\help
< 1425289212 369778 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bun currently knows how to lol, html, annoy, blsq, rc or help.
< 1425289237 820102 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\lol
< 1425289237 966713 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
< 1425289266 740134 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\html
div
< 1425289266 886310 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node "div" [] [Text "div"]
< 1425289269 760293 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\help html
< 1425289269 906616 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bun currently knows how to lol, html, annoy, blsq, rc or help.
< 1425289272 813920 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1425289279 35313 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. right.
< 1425289286 44360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should add help for topics as well
< 1425289525 596076 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425289546 989277 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425289548 486078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\help_topic html
< 1425289548 632269 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bun currently knows how to lol, html, annoy, blsq, rc, help_topic or help. (Use ^\help_topic help_topic)
< 1425289552 426831 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap
< 1425289589 139730 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425289605 272416 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425289606 987562 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\help
< 1425289607 134072 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bun currently knows how to lol, html, annoy, blsq, rc, help_topic or help. (Use ^\_help _help)
< 1425289611 670491 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\_help _help
< 1425289611 817044 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little Bunny doesn't know how to handle that :(
< 1425289633 844312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1425289639 49994 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably wrong case order :(
< 1425289641 350418 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425289681 394488 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425289683 25878 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\_help html
< 1425289683 172390 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parses CoolHTML. Example: ^\html div
< 1425289690 209288 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\html div
< 1425289690 355695 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node "div" [] [Text "div"]
< 1425289694 495150 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\html di
< 1425289694 641552 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error "(line 1, column 9):\nunexpected \"v\"\nexpecting \"/\""
< 1425289708 286770 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq abc
< 1425289708 433611 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: (line 1, column 4):
< 1425289708 433764 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected end of input
< 1425289727 603720 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {{1 2 3}}BS
< 1425289727 789876 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1, 2, 3]
< 1425289731 530738 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {{1 2 3}}uN
< 1425289731 676789 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1, 2, 3]
< 1425289739 123393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {1 2 3}uN
< 1425289739 270101 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1425289739 270245 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12
< 1425289739 416954 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3
< 1425289754 501772 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow. ok this could be abused to spam the channel
< 1425289759 122831 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425289803 187312 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425289815 262500 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425289816 682605 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {1 2 3}uN
< 1425289816 828969 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 123
< 1425289819 238858 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what? like j-bot which its owner has recently reconfigured to give up to twelve lines of reply rather than up to six lines which is what I've set?
< 1425289828 664902 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1425289832 17463 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want newlines actually
< 1425289852 868065 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {1 2 3}{{1 2 3}{4 5 6}}?*BS
< 1425289853 14497 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1, 2, 3] [8, 10, 12]
< 1425289863 310203 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 1 2 3
< 1425289863 456725 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 321
< 1425289863 456845 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {1 2 3}{{1 2 3}{4 5 6}}?*
< 1425289863 602974 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{1 2 3} {8 10 12}}
< 1425289872 942333 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :could it at least add a space?
< 1425289875 360821 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1425289876 311035 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO!
< 1425289879 822732 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1425289883 844944 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's you
< 1425289886 159217 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1425289887 71969 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425290099 302075 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425290101 241892 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 1 2 3
< 1425290101 388360 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3
< 1425290101 388524 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2
< 1425290101 388600 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1
< 1425290105 832804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 1 2 3 4 5
< 1425290105 979536 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5
< 1425290105 979670 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1425290105 979742 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3
< 1425290114 517357 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {"hi" "there" "you"}uN
< 1425290114 663810 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi
< 1425290114 663937 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there
< 1425290114 664012 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you
< 1425290295 352507 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1425290929 944688 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...What's "blsq"?
< 1425291138 716073 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ all those libraries on hackage are fucking stupid
< 1425291144 468901 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you only expose parseFile
< 1425291147 810801 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but NOT parseString
< 1425291149 542211 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1425291153 420812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously
< 1425291160 881945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who only expose parseFile SUCK
< 1425291166 346958 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They shouldn't be allowed on hackage
< 1425291178 830930 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: a programming language
< 1425291185 202713 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :most closely related to APL or J
< 1425291210 543715 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {{1 2 3}{4 5 6}}p^?*BS
< 1425291210 690371 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 10 18
< 1425291222 895583 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {{1 2 3}{4 5 6}}p^?*CL
< 1425291223 78099 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{4 10 18}}
< 1425291229 250149 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {{1 2 3}{4 5 6}}p^?*++
< 1425291229 396843 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 32
< 1425291238 500257 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {{1 2 3}{4 5 6}}p^?*++XXBS
< 1425291238 646890 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 2
< 1425291250 327366 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {{1 2 3}{4 5 6}}p^?*++XX
< 1425291250 473997 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {3 2}
< 1425291259 655548 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "~ hi ~"{{1 2 3}{4 5 6}}p^?*++XXf~
< 1425291259 801919 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3 hi 2"
< 1425291275 543047 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :any questions?
< 1425291301 147320 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {1 0 0}iR
< 1425291301 294388 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {{1 0 0} {0 0 1} {0 1 0}}
< 1425291303 646490 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {1 0 0}iRBS
< 1425291303 792987 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1, 0, 0] [0, 0, 1] [0, 1, 0]
< 1425291306 907216 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {1 0 0}iRbs
< 1425291307 54438 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "[1, 0, 0] [0, 0, 1] [0, 1, 0]"
< 1425291309 229850 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1425291312 519260 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {1 0 0}iRSP
< 1425291312 665552 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 0 0\n0 0 1\n0 1 0"
< 1425291315 524206 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {1 0 0}iRsp
< 1425291315 671130 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 0 0
< 1425291315 671260 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 0 1
< 1425291315 671333 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 1 0
< 1425291318 330071 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing bunbunbot's written in Haskell.
< 1425291332 773285 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {0 1 0}iRsp
< 1425291332 919752 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 1 0
< 1425291333 66420 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 0 0
< 1425291333 66548 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 0 1
< 1425291336 756739 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {0 0 1}iRsp
< 1425291336 903217 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 0 1
< 1425291336 903349 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 1 0
< 1425291336 903422 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 0 0
< 1425291350 209209 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: it is
< 1425291418 918945 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {0 1 0}iRp^jCLsp
< 1425291419 102250 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 0 0
< 1425291419 102389 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 1 0
< 1425291419 102462 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 0 1
< 1425291444 793768 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 1Jq.+12C!
< 1425291444 940508 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 377
< 1425291444 940661 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 233
< 1425291444 940737 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 144
< 1425291450 629471 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 1Jq.+12C!CL
< 1425291450 775883 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {377 233 144 89 55 34 21 13 8 5 3 2 1 1}
< 1425291455 411884 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 1Jq.+12!CCL
< 1425291455 558599 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233 377}
< 1425291469 923448 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 1Jq.+12!CCL3cosp
< 1425291470 69909 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 1 2
< 1425291470 70058 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 5 8
< 1425291470 70143 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13 21 34
< 1425291474 105598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 1Jq.+12!CCL5cosp
< 1425291474 251646 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 1 2 3 5
< 1425291474 251778 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 13 21 34 55
< 1425291474 251851 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 89 144 233 377
< 1425291488 290908 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...What are you trying to parse?
< 1425291498 865487 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse where?
< 1425291510 384009 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your reference to "parseFile"
< 1425291539 544784 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/simple-stacked-vm-0.1.1/docs/Language-SSVM-Parser.html
< 1425291543 41877 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1425291583 591673 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically only exporting parseSrting is better than just exporting parseFile
< 1425291594 631232 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always do readFile f >>= return . parseString
< 1425291600 843187 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they only export parseFile
< 1425291603 799960 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't parse Strings :(
< 1425291649 634138 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's "parseVM" and "parseSourceFile". I don't know Haskell at all, but is there any way of subclassing IO?
< 1425291712 759755 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "FilePath" is a String anyway, and I think it also takes a IO if I'm reading these docs correctly(probably not)
< 1425291751 932402 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1425291754 219433 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :subclassing I/O?
< 1425291760 676125 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1425291773 851452 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know what IO means in haskell
< 1425291777 322517 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Again, I don't know Haskell at all.
< 1425291795 207646 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO (Either ParseError Code) is the return type btw
< 1425291800 495461 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: a -> b -> c
< 1425291804 207234 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one is always the return type
< 1425291809 306165 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see.
< 1425291817 50625 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...But why would it return an IO?
< 1425291826 783578 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: a -> b -> c is the same as foo :: a -> (b -> c)
< 1425291834 951509 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: because Monad
< 1425291850 573614 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type Just 5
< 1425291852 406513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => Maybe a
< 1425291861 344762 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type foo a = Just a
< 1425291862 338901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘=’
< 1425291867 88022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type let foo a = Just a
< 1425291867 950458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :: not an expression: ‘let foo a = Just a’
< 1425291870 526939 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type let foo a = Just a in foo
< 1425291871 421376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> Maybe a
< 1425291887 39272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type let foo a = (return a) :: Int in foo
< 1425291888 185044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘Int’ with actual type ‘m0 a1’
< 1425291888 331720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Relevant bindings include
< 1425291888 331855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : a :: a1 (bound at :1:9)
< 1425291892 424959 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type let foo a = (return a) :: IO Int in foo
< 1425291893 316351 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> IO Int
< 1425291897 198142 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :see
< 1425291901 361925 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo returns an IO Int know
< 1425291924 419488 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally all actions doing IO return IO a
< 1425291951 52865 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo a = (return a) :: IO Int in foo a + 9
< 1425291952 501382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘GHC.Types.Int’
< 1425291952 647657 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr’
< 1425291958 439477 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo a = (return a) :: IO Int in foo 1 + 9
< 1425291959 797706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (GHC.Types.IO GHC.Types.Int))
< 1425291959 944064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘GHC.Num.+’
< 1425291974 305637 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo a = (return a) :: IO Int in ((foo 1) + 9)
< 1425291975 778378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (GHC.Types.IO GHC.Types.Int))
< 1425291975 925189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘GHC.Num.+’
< 1425291990 445483 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just so you can't mix non IO stuff with IO stuff ;)
< 1425292000 980582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't add an (IO Int) and an Int together
< 1425292012 12402 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people say that is to make code "pure"
< 1425292021 622831 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people say there's no such thing as impure code in Haskell anayway
< 1425292028 629863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some people say it's to screw with people
< 1425292038 820799 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: learnyouahaskell.org
< 1425292060 459159 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell seems to be designed around mathematics, not exactly programs in the sense we use the term.
< 1425292071 840888 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425292075 601574 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this from the last time I tried looking at haskell)
< 1425292099 260186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://learnyouahaskell.com/a-fistful-of-monads
< 1425292109 112613 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.. you can use haskell to write programs as well
< 1425292114 17677 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1425292126 562112 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the Perl 6 interpreter which is written in Haskell for example
< 1425292149 503364 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are webserver's written in Haskell
< 1425292158 216241 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are more than a few webframeworks in Haskell
< 1425292216 37282 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: http://codepad.org/C1Lw7fue
< 1425292242 949576 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :dir defines routes
< 1425292249 187598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like mysite.com/hello/
< 1425292257 271290 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which would result in "Hello, world")
< 1425292295 761886 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use haskell in production where I work actually
< 1425292304 89590 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting paid for writing Haskell stuff
< 1425292330 815570 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1425292342 21851 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1425292365 563973 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If nobody specifies the language I have to use I'll use Haskell
< 1425292378 697445 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if they forget to say it should be in Java I do it in Haskell :)
< 1425292388 812585 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425292521 250726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : people who only expose parseFile SUCK <-- which library?
< 1425292537 390422 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hackage package:Language/SSVM, apparently
< 1425292538 406878 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple-stacked-vm
< 1425292546 900689 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/simple-stacked-vm-0.1.1/docs/Language-SSVM-Parser.html
< 1425292550 498184 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1425292560 917744 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not the only one I have stumbled upon that doesn't expose a parseString
< 1425292565 282398 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be a comman "mistake"
< 1425292575 83951 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I may say it is a "mistake"
< 1425292587 903170 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because I really think it is a poor API choice to not export parseString but just parseFile)
< 1425292602 205146 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mistake alright, unless your parser is forced to use files for some bizzare reason.
< 1425292625 733976 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exposing runParser would probably have done a lot, even though it's messy...
< 1425292632 934131 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a really, really, bizzare reason
< 1425292655 802156 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if the parser was written in Befunge, you might just get away with it.
< 1425292662 383392 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse :: Handle -> foo
< 1425292665 485951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: oh i think you want parseVM
< 1425292670 488010 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can export that
< 1425292676 128685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the FilePath is only to construct error messages
< 1425292681 691663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Parsec thing
< 1425292718 562289 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Looking at parseVM's code, that does actually seem to be the case.
< 1425292726 525797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that it's type isn't IO _should_ make that obvious >:)
< 1425292782 735852 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though why it couldn't be called "parseSourceString"...
< 1425292791 565815 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff
< 1425292792 828796 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1425292798 271966 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't surprise me if it were to use unsafePeformIO
< 1425292813 268103 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having haddock comments is also a huge PITA
< 1425292821 360678 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesn't. Look in Parser.hs:
< 1425292826 690846 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I no.
< 1425292830 759798 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I know
< 1425292874 969458 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's certainly missing function descriptions.
< 1425293011 879648 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but right
< 1425293022 299735 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was too stupid to catch the missing IO :(
< 1425293028 93872 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was focused on FilePath
< 1425293045 938854 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind, the naming was...cryptic. Sort of suggested it was parsing something different.
< 1425293107 348103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, given they use Parsec they should have exported the actual Parsec parser.
< 1425293141 707285 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I'd expect parseString and parseFile
< 1425293151 287845 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe the actual parser, yes
< 1425293158 887506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: in Parsec, it is idiomatic to name parsers according to what they parse _into_.
< 1425293175 68637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it got a bit mixed there.
< 1425293234 908500 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to use parseThing
< 1425293237 974824 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it parses thing
< 1425293238 811879 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1425293240 754491 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :parseSExp
< 1425293254 545882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm oh the parser uses internal state, that makes it a bit messy to export i guess
< 1425293345 871662 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "abc""abcd"~=
< 1425293346 57999 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0
< 1425293348 945078 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "abc""abcd"=~
< 1425293349 91259 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {}
< 1425293356 118729 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "abc(.*)""abcd"=~
< 1425293356 265435 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {}
< 1425293362 537019 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "abcd""abc"=~
< 1425293362 683897 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {}
< 1425293366 407932 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "abcd""abc(.*)"=~
< 1425293366 554547 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"d"}
< 1425293400 127344 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "abcd""(.)"~?
< 1425293400 273813 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"a" "b" "c" "d"}
< 1425293428 432058 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "9+2+3+4""([0-9]+[0-9])"~?
< 1425293428 578571 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {}
< 1425293437 640107 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "9+2+3+4""([0-9]\+[0-9])"~?
< 1425293437 786622 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"9+2" "3+4"}
< 1425293453 209508 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1425293520 46272 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "9+2+3+4""([0-9]\+[0-9])"~&
< 1425293520 229998 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"" "9+2" "+3+4"}
< 1425293580 618280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something's wrong with clippy :(
< 1425293598 466347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not just being an insane robot
< 1425293632 692557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's clippy?
< 1425293648 390215 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Wait, you don't mean OFFICE WORD Clippy???
< 1425293655 674470 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Burlesque is also a regex machine
< 1425293661 725802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is clippy http://freefall.purrsia.com/
< 1425293685 200095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i was secretly hoping someone would misunderstand that
< 1425293715 882640 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "9+2+3+4""([0-9])"q|I~a
< 1425293716 29212 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (~a) Invalid arguments!
< 1425293716 29352 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {|I}
< 1425293716 29427 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "([0-9])"
< 1425293718 644811 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff
< 1425293719 52589 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: that clippy => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Assistant and http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/744.html
< 1425293719 902200 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1425293737 402567 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "9+2+3+4"q|i"([0-9])"~a
< 1425293737 549550 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "10+3+4+5"
< 1425293743 580794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there we go
< 1425293782 316740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: NOPE
< 1425293813 339685 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "9+21+32+4"q|i"([0-9])"~a
< 1425293813 525973 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "10+32+43+5"
< 1425293820 544204 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a different clippy?
< 1425293822 366878 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "9+21+32+4"{|i<-}"([0-9])"~a
< 1425293822 515372 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1+32+43+5"
< 1425293839 382906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1425293844 228837 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "9+21+32+4"{}"([0-9])"~a
< 1425293844 375586 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "9+21+32+4"
< 1425293848 110535 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello, world!14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42074&oldid=40933 5* 03173.192.81.187 5* (+48) 10
< 1425293849 82598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "9+21+32+4"{<-}"([0-9])"~a
< 1425293849 229036 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "9+21+32+4"
< 1425293852 196012 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1425293863 769363 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "9+21+32+4"{<-}"([0-9]*)"~a
< 1425293863 915922 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1425293868 324251 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm?
< 1425293877 740849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was regex for one ore more again?
< 1425293887 372049 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: +
< 1425293898 505049 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "9+21+32+4"{<-}"([0-9]+)"~a
< 1425293898 651819 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "9+12+23+4"
< 1425293903 87581 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "9+21+32+4"{|i<-}"([0-9]+)"~a
< 1425293903 234467 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1+22+33+5"
< 1425293906 516197 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1425293916 31665 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: see how cool blsq is
< 1425293927 396639 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, in-built regex support!
< 1425293962 228532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beret guy over at xkcd just keeps getting weirder
< 1425294013 91581 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I did a esolang search a few minutes ago, didn't see it. Did a google search just now...is it a custom language of your own design by any chance?
< 1425294033 559849 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is he? I don't think he's weirder than he used to be
< 1425294062 862881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ok but he's reality-bending powers seem to be increasing
< 1425294065 340801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*his
< 1425294081 73706 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's someone who stapled his shoes to a tree and still kept up.
< 1425294097 536504 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While asking why people acted so dignified.
< 1425294114 368340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: also clippy from freefall hth
< 1425294152 503888 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he's bending reality way more in 1032 and 1395
< 1425294165 212182 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....Huh, just read today's XKCD. He's played with owning businesses before, but it's a surprise he's got someone to run it with.
< 1425294196 513744 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and 1293)
< 1425294210 536990 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I'm not sure he has
< 1425294223 519627 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...b_jonas, you just gave the comic I was talking about
< 1425294241 177670 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, admittedly it's not a real business, but...)
< 1425294253 498214 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: what? weren't you talking about 1493
< 1425294253 930816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok business as usual, then
< 1425294290 766962 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Ah, I misunderstood when you wrote "I'm not sure he has".
< 1425294317 750066 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were talking about having played with owning businesses before...
< 1425294325 816184 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1425294325 962969 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425294335 395553 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm not sure he got someone to do business with me
< 1425294343 284464 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1425294346 1231 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not that
< 1425294347 751619 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but something
< 1425294368 461047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan go rollback https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42074&oldid=40933. thanks
< 1425294390 690462 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas:3rd panel. Who is that person, if not someone working in his "company"?
< 1425294401 138898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.optimaweb.co.id/public/images/seo_head.jpg is he an elf. i would never entrust my search engine optimisation to an elf
< 1425294430 637986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.optimaweb.co.id/public/images/seo_step.jpg there is malice in his eyes. this elf man is not dedicated to my website rankings or my well-being
< 1425294450 136613 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're right
< 1425294465 505885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponytail girl is working with them
< 1425294477 797139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.optimaweb.co.id/public/images/seo_rules_7.jpg what would a blog key even do
< 1425294488 801185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mashes blog key furiously* WHY isn't it BLOGGING
< 1425294512 270628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clearly is an elf with fake human ears, yeah
< 1425294528 89890 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Well, nobody uses caps lock anymore, elliott..so they decided to use the space for a new key!
< 1425294574 675683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's completely false. i use my capslock constantly and with wild abandon
< 1425294574 822218 :Patashu_!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1425294615 743934 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hello, world!14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42075&oldid=42074 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-48) 10Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/173.192.81.187|173.192.81.187]] ([[User talk:173.192.81.187|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Oerjan|Oerjan]]
< 1425294837 790324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. i won't stand for this little elf man and his fraudulent search engine practices
< 1425294845 591535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally gets the title text of http://xkcd.com/1293/
< 1425294865 750576 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still doesn't know
< 1425294893 574355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how the word is pronounced when capitalized hth
< 1425295102 537002 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. My Goodness.
< 1425295114 749938 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...try entering "companyname.website" into the URL.
< 1425295169 40486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks icann
< 1425295179 837575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :icann't see any problem with these new gtld
< 1425295205 960615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know .website was registered, so it stands to reason that the rest would be
< 1425295506 901222 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425295897 855261 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425296158 813111 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1425296857 871725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/dinosaur/?comic=36 i'm pretty sure several of those hadn't evolved in the cambrian
< 1425297081 29424 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: mroman.ch/burlesque
< 1425297085 523835 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language is called burlesque
< 1425297090 42553 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :blsq is just short for it
< 1425297142 5199 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? burlesque
< 1425297161 44333 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo gone?
< 1425297169 793107 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. no. still there
< 1425297186 203195 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1425297252 780051 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1425297263 442120 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrhelloman. sometimes the HackEgo needs some percussive maintenance.
< 1425297269 538755 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles HackEgo
< 1425297277 388178 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? burlesque
< 1425297351 393852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot
< 1425297382 215 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who maintains HackEgo again? I'm drawing a blank...
< 1425297388 865902 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sir Fungellot cannot be stopped by that sword alone!
< 1425297389 12803 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque is only the sexiest language on Earth. (See: http://mroman.ch/burlesque)
< 1425297389 12942 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque is only the sexiest language on Earth. (See: http://mroman.ch/burlesque)
< 1425297404 30967 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo
< 1425297417 787500 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing.
< 1425297461 988178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically Gregor maintains HackEgo
< 1425297805 245636 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1425297819 951437 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :using B8.fromString is actually not so good with partially read data :D
< 1425297822 539157 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that might fail
< 1425297852 620025 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Handle -> Int -> IO [Word8]
< 1425297854 332605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude zipWith :: (a -> b -> c) -> [a] -> [b] -> [c]
< 1425297854 479127 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List zipWith :: (a -> b -> c) -> [a] -> [b] -> [c]
< 1425297854 479281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad zipWithM :: Monad m => (a -> b -> m c) -> [a] -> [b] -> m [c]
< 1425297894 312622 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So If I want Word8 i need to BS.unpack and use hGet Handle -> Int -> IO ByteString?
< 1425298336 864139 :v4s!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1425298452 28311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: MAYBE
< 1425298646 746623 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Why on earth would someone write a bot that runs arbitrary commands and *asks* people to try and mess with it?
< 1425298708 783759 :v4s!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425299164 441737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: because it's sandboxed like hell?
< 1425299182 126043 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MULTIPLICATIVE CHICKEN
< 1425301349 192342 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.10.5 -- Are we there yet?
< 1425303094 588229 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425303358 480252 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1425303728 810980 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT A SECOND
< 1425303733 204896 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 1 0?/
< 1425303733 460380 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425303736 585655 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1425303738 444625 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so
< 1425303742 633944 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1425303956 162972 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425304114 448873 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1425304130 234026 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425304487 211712 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425304523 874849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle NFData
< 1425304524 21220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Parallel.Strategies class NFData a
< 1425304524 167774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.DeepSeq class NFData a
< 1425304557 578290 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't make a derived instance of ‘NFData Exp’
< 1425304558 306534 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1425304665 582625 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425304667 126604 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 1 0?/
< 1425304667 273018 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bun bun no happy with u now :(
< 1425304674 348927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 1R@<-
< 1425304674 564394 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1425304682 818413 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (main 9)
< 1425304683 83403 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing
< 1425304716 654633 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (add 1 2)
< 1425304716 801400 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 3
< 1425304726 65364 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (atom (add 1 2))
< 1425304726 258421 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just (atom (add 1 2))
< 1425304733 894360 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1425304743 395668 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (shell :(rm -rf))
< 1425304743 542427 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bun bun no happy with u now :(
< 1425304758 667005 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (putstrln (show 9))
< 1425304758 813675 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bun bun no happy with u now :(
< 1425304763 991737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1425304769 363629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main ->
< 1425304769 514791 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bun bun no happy with u now :(
< 1425304776 911014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (add 0 :(1))
< 1425304777 57665 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just {ERROR: (add 0 #(@1))}
< 1425304787 678470 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun :)
< 1425304815 86897 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1425304887 843942 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (add 0 :(1))
< 1425304887 990609 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {ERROR: (add 0 #(@1))}
< 1425304900 666873 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (eval (atom (add $0 1)) 2)
< 1425304900 850355 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3
< 1425304914 247629 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 3
< 1425304914 394333 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3
< 1425305030 607397 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (utf8_p #(255))
< 1425305030 794237 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : NIL
< 1425305043 155150 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (str #(65 65))
< 1425305043 302014 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(@A @A)
< 1425305056 837823 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> :(Hi there)
< 1425305056 984660 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(@H @i @ @t @h @e @r @e)
< 1425305097 261958 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1425305106 803261 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright. Now it can do some lambda calculus, burlesque and some lisp
< 1425305110 766612 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\help
< 1425305110 913152 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bun currently knows how to lol, html, annoy, blsq, rc, help_topic or help. (Use ^\_help _help)
< 1425305121 414512 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parse CoolHTML
< 1425305126 81364 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :forwhatever reason you'd need that
< 1425305188 479150 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (str8 #(65 65))
< 1425305188 625848 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(@A @A)
< 1425305193 90068 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (str8 #(255))
< 1425305193 273931 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(@�)
< 1425305199 992842 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (str #(255))
< 1425305200 139500 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(@ÿ)
< 1425305360 683579 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425305811 480972 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (cons @A :(B))
< 1425305811 666222 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(@A @B)
< 1425305841 202958 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1425305893 303175 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425305944 769527 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425305984 890935 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 2 2 .+
< 1425305985 37258 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1425306182 539380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: \o/ Burlesque
< 1425306182 726275 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |
< 1425306182 726420 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /|
< 1425306216 614165 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq ""8{'1.+}E!
< 1425306216 761104 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (e!) Invalid arguments!
< 1425306216 907703 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (\[) Invalid arguments!
< 1425306216 907836 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.*) Invalid arguments!
< 1425306250 505219 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq ""{'1.+}8E!
< 1425306250 689808 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "11111111"
< 1425306261 692397 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Yep, as I thought, I got it the wrong way around.
< 1425306290 948678 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :E! is an alias for .*\[e!
< 1425306313 864617 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^-blsq ""{'1.+}8.*\[e!
< 1425306318 750195 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq ""{'1.+}8.*\[e!
< 1425306318 897004 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "11111111"
< 1425306338 150525 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "1"cy8.+
< 1425306338 297625 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "11111111"
< 1425306367 494753 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq '1by8.+
< 1425306367 641366 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!
< 1425306367 787933 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8
< 1425306367 788080 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Unknown command: (by)!
< 1425306372 190920 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1425306374 158850 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq '1b8.+
< 1425306374 305059 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!
< 1425306374 451290 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Unknown command: (b8)!
< 1425306374 451421 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : '1
< 1425306377 378022 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq '1bc8.+
< 1425306377 524450 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {'1 '1 '1 '1 '1 '1 '1 '1}
< 1425306393 64610 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strings arent Lists :)
< 1425306430 216473 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq ""{'1.+}{L[.<8}w!
< 1425306430 363557 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1425306447 388503 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq ""{L[.<8}{'1.+}w!
< 1425306447 535375 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (w!) Invalid!
< 1425306470 302057 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq '0""{\/ 1 .+ ^^ .+ \/}8E!
< 1425306470 448879 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!
< 1425306470 449023 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!
< 1425306470 595455 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!
< 1425306482 557780 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...That could've gone better :)
< 1425306493 609710 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq ""{'1.+}{L[.<2}w!
< 1425306493 776431 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1425306499 904830 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why this doesn't work
< 1425306504 741321 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq ""{'1.+}{L[==2}w!
< 1425306504 918272 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1425306508 621456 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "11"{'1.+}{L[==2}w!
< 1425306508 842718 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1425306557 885254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 2{?i}{.<9}w!
< 1425306558 109240 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1425306559 989471 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq '0""{\/ +. ^^ .+ \/}8E!
< 1425306560 139350 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ""
< 1425306560 139493 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
< 1425306571 922183 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 2{?i}{0}w!
< 1425306572 68944 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2
< 1425306588 495755 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq ""{'1.+}{L[8.<}w!
< 1425306588 642551 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "11111111"
< 1425306590 258718 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1425306594 900000 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb me
< 1425306630 129224 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 2 1R@?^{.<100}TW
< 1425306630 314289 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!
< 1425306637 37217 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 2 1R@?^{100.<}TW
< 1425306637 184037 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {2 4 8 16 32 64}
< 1425306644 113258 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 2 1R@?^{1025.<}TW
< 1425306644 260520 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024}
< 1425306687 22204 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 2 1R@?^{1025.<}TWvr
< 1425306687 168640 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 108832.04444444443
< 1425306691 926727 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq '0Pp""Pp{PP PP \/ +. ^^ .+ \/ Pp Pp}8E!PPPP
< 1425306692 73218 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bun bun no happy with u now :(
< 1425306742 328102 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you copied that snippet from somewhere :D
< 1425306772 572313 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just looking at the reference.
< 1425306786 235342 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't say what the global state stack was, so I'm guessing it's a second stack.
< 1425306789 565576 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "2 2"pe10XXcy\/CO.+sp
< 1425306789 726162 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 0
< 1425306789 873098 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 1
< 1425306795 644717 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "3 3"pe10XXcy\/CO.+sp
< 1425306795 791259 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 0 1
< 1425306795 937701 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 1 0
< 1425306795 937843 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 0 1
< 1425306802 470221 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, judging by the error, I'm guessing it's actually something a bit more sinister.
< 1425306811 767568 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the global state stack is a second stack yes
< 1425306820 416579 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a little bit tmore sinister than that, yes
< 1425306849 139970 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "5 3"pe10XXcy\/CO.+sp
< 1425306849 286826 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 0 1
< 1425306849 433179 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 1 0
< 1425306849 433348 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 0 1
< 1425306853 950984 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "3 5"pe10XXcy\/CO.+sp
< 1425306854 97788 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 0 1 0 1
< 1425306854 244919 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 1 0 1 0
< 1425306854 245061 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 0 1 0 1
< 1425306903 718503 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "2 2"psJPp++?d"*|"jCB{'*CNpP-]==}fuQ
< 1425306903 865420 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : **|
< 1425306904 11692 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *|*
< 1425306904 11831 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : |**
< 1425306917 25964 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "2 3"psJPp++?d"*|"jCB{'*CNpP-]==}fuQ
< 1425306917 172527 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : **||
< 1425306917 319230 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *|*|
< 1425306917 319376 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *||*
< 1425306928 330391 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "2 3"psJPp++?d"*|"jCB{'*CNpP-]==}Q
< 1425306928 477086 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [*, CN, pP, -], ==]
< 1425306928 623742 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"****" "***|" "**|*" "**||" "*|**" "*|*|" "*||*" "*|||" "|***" "|**|" "|*|*" "|*||" "||**" "||*|" "|||*" "||||"}
< 1425306932 877424 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "2 3"psJPp++?d"*|"jCB{'*CNpP-]==}f[
< 1425306933 24254 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {"**||" "*|*|" "*||*" "|**|" "|*|*" "||**"}
< 1425306937 723639 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "2 3"psJPp++?d"*|"jCB{'*CNpP-]==}f[BS
< 1425306937 870488 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : **|| *|*| *||* |**| |*|* ||**
< 1425306944 983368 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "2 4"psJPp++?d"*|"jCB{'*CNpP-]==}f[BS
< 1425306945 139753 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : **||| *|*|| *||*| *|||* |**|| |*|*| |*||* ||**| ||*|* |||**
< 1425306976 645553 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque's fun
< 1425306991 528063 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing the state stack is for persistence?
< 1425306996 154478 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1425307015 548910 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example map/filter
< 1425307024 350963 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {1 2 3 4}{1.+}m[
< 1425307024 498330 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {2 3 4 5}
< 1425307030 826804 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 2Pp{1 2 3 4}{1.+}m[
< 1425307030 973432 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {2 3 4 5}
< 1425307034 372683 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 2Pp{1 2 3 4}{pP.+}m[
< 1425307034 519064 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {3 4 5 6}
< 1425307059 984949 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :map/filter run the function on an empty stack
< 1425307079 557835 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq {1 2 3 4}{5 6 7}m[
< 1425307079 704473 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {7 6 5 1 7 6 5 2 7 6 5 3 7 6 5 4}
< 1425307125 858416 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq %dat=5 {1 2 3 4}|[%dat!y.+Y|]m[
< 1425307126 42031 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (m[) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307126 42180 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Unknown command: (|])!
< 1425307126 42254 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : .+
< 1425307128 330732 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1425307132 444501 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq %dat=5 {1 2 3 4}|[%dat!y.+Y]\m[
< 1425307132 590999 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (m[) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307132 737449 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Unknown command: (]\)!
< 1425307132 737580 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : .+
< 1425307140 565673 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq %dat=5 {1 2 3 4}|[%dat!y.+Y]|m[
< 1425307140 712693 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments! ERROR: Burlesque: (e!) Invalid arguments! 5 1 ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments! ERROR: Burlesque: (e!) Invalid arguments! 5 2 ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments! ERROR: Burlesque: (e!) Invalid arguments! 5 3 ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments! ERROR: Burlesque: (e!) Invalid arguments! 5 4}
< 1425307150 916900 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq %dat=5 {1 2 3 4}|[%dat?y.+Y]|m[
< 1425307151 63718 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {6 7 8 9}
< 1425307153 771119 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there we go
< 1425307155 512049 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425307176 248214 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :newer but not released versions of Burlesque have global variables as well
< 1425307176 394867 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ... um, what does Y do?
< 1425307182 894176 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: quote
< 1425307187 330070 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "0"{\/ -] +. ^^ .+ [- \/ .+ \/}8E!
< 1425307187 476881 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307187 477011 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307187 623263 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: ([-) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307195 65445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... right, you mentioned that
< 1425307198 820060 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq |[1 2.+3.*]|
< 1425307198 966523 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {9}
< 1425307204 731756 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq |[1 2.+y3.*Y]|
< 1425307204 879080 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {3 3 .*}
< 1425307209 170325 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq |[1 2.+y3.*Y]|E!
< 1425307209 316986 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (e!) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307209 317109 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (\[) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307209 463339 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.*) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307211 912699 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq |[1 2.+y3.*Y]|e!
< 1425307212 59353 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9
< 1425307228 350494 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "0"{\/ ^^ -] +. ^^ .+ [- \/ .+ \/}8E!
< 1425307228 498003 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307228 644511 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307228 644636 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: ([-) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307235 336252 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq %a=1 %b=2 {%a? %b?}
< 1425307235 482757 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {__INTERNAL__ __INTERNAL__}
< 1425307239 584431 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs
< 1425307246 749219 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq %a=1 %b=2 |[%a? %b?]|
< 1425307246 895614 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {1 2}
< 1425307256 443703 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 5 + 1 2 3 4
< 1425307257 118952 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 6 7 8 9
< 1425307274 413393 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq 5 4ro?+
< 1425307274 559794 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {6 7 8 9}
< 1425307294 392097 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 6+i.4
< 1425307295 41611 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 6 7 8 9
< 1425307304 412852 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ i:6j4
< 1425307305 125193 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: _6 _3 0 3 6
< 1425307345 62556 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42076&oldid=41984 5* 0386.185.150.240 5* (+353) 10/* Real Quines */
< 1425307349 942390 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "0"{\/ ^^ -] +. [- \/ .+ \/}8E!
< 1425307350 88767 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (+.) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307350 88895 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307350 235016 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: ([-) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307444 597827 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats i: j?
< 1425307451 906010 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq ERROR: asd
< 1425307461 327049 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "0"{\/ ^^ -] +. [- \/ .+ \/}8E!
< 1425307461 473498 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (+.) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307461 620362 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307461 620532 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: ([-) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307473 354804 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq ERROR: Burlesque: (+.) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307473 501372 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Unknown command: (s!)!
< 1425307473 648173 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Unknown command: (nt)!
< 1425307473 648309 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Unknown command: (me)!
< 1425307498 71400 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :\blsq ERROR: Unknown command: (me)!
< 1425307503 832872 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq ERROR: Unknown command: (me)!
< 1425307503 979665 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: (line 1, column 30):
< 1425307504 126064 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : unexpected end of input
< 1425307519 831691 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-.-
< 1425307525 417745 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\annoy vanilla
< 1425307525 564053 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanilla: What color does the dress have?
< 1425307558 211920 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're bullying me
< 1425307571 625362 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : bunbunbot!*@* added to ignore list.
< 1425307571 867562 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e!*@* added to ignore list.
< 1425307629 217624 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be funnier to ask that question to color blind people
< 1425307632 294447 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it green or is it red?
< 1425307707 377302 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "0"{\/ ^^ -] +. \/ [- \/ .+ \/}8E!
< 1425307707 540376 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (-]) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307707 687059 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307707 687223 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: ([-) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307765 286846 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Why would a bot have a "annoy" command?
< 1425307781 46086 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :... for science
< 1425307820 740893 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: actually, I think that's the plugin name, and there's ten commands that call into that plugin
< 1425307839 47706 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1425307841 235770 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up then
< 1425307842 569079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1425307849 615009 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm here to annoy
< 1425307851 471737 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my job
< 1425307856 672927 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :else I'd be useless in this channel
< 1425307859 980241 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...That's not the nicest job.
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< 1425307907 910556 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still hope that guy with the BANCStar interpreter will eventually turn up with the half-working interpreter floppy
< 1425307910 589796 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\html annoy
< 1425307910 736329 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node "b" [] [Text "annoy"]
< 1425307925 341442 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I really doubt that
< 1425307934 999931 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\blsq "0"{\/ ^^ -] +. \/ [- \/ .+ \/}2.*e!2.*e!2.*e!e!
< 1425307935 146677 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \/
< 1425307935 292892 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: (.+) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307935 293023 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR: Burlesque: ([-) Invalid arguments!
< 1425307947 882002 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: mroman.ch/burlesque
< 1425307952 8477 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: oh come on, we've seen someone ^\kill today already
< 1425307952 155450 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also an online interpreter ;)
< 1425307963 614512 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\kill b_jonas
< 1425307963 762863 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little Bunny doesn't know how to handle that :(
< 1425307963 763002 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean you doubt the BANCStar
< 1425308036 180825 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunbunbot is a burlesque, rc, and lisp bot
< 1425308040 290527 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly
< 1425308049 432101 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\html Hi ![]()
< 1425308049 579041 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error "(line 1, column 18):\nunexpected \"\\\"\""
< 1425308053 305932 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\rc ({x.xx}v)
< 1425308053 452404 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: (line 1, column 6):
< 1425308053 452534 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected "x"
< 1425308053 452608 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting white space or "}"
< 1425308060 646664 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\rc ({x.(xx)}v)
< 1425308060 793452 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (vv)
< 1425308087 788783 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's not valid CoolHTML
< 1425308098 367745 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\html
< 1425308098 514523 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node "script" [("language","javascript")] [Text "huehue"]
< 1425308114 919371 :vanila!~vanila@unaffiliated/vanila PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish mroman would leave
< 1425308116 456522 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\html
< 1425308116 602887 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error "(line 1, column 18):\nunexpected \"\\\"\""
< 1425308125 741110 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanila: well
< 1425308131 600596 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give you my address and you can shoot me
< 1425308134 217763 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that helps you
< 1425308146 386728 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be illegal though
< 1425308155 394247 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in every country but in most
< 1425308180 653591 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: CoolHTML doesn't have "
< 1425308203 494412 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CoolHTML???
< 1425308224 838079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I'm crazy.
< 1425308227 264186 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1425308232 338997 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask too many questions about what I do
< 1425308247 576590 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a stripped down HTML
< 1425308249 311642 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1425308251 860880 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :RLON is much cooler
< 1425308259 836324 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should integrate that into my bot too
< 1425308281 251 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow
< 1425308282 821889 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not today
< 1425308319 725720 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\html a
< 1425308328 584970 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Node "mark" [] [Node "foobar" [] [Text "a"]]
< 1425308338 296515 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are no empty elements apparentely :D
< 1425308391 596723 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (reverse #(1 2 3))
< 1425308391 743252 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(3 2 1)
< 1425308464 170349 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1425308466 111500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\html 
< 1425308466 258093 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error "(line 1, column 10):\nunexpected \"\\\"\""
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< 1425310076 773249 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host
< 1425310076 960178 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425310253 225011 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425310649 486433 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: like my lisp has?
< 1425310667 291025 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I haven't seen your full lisp, only the rlon stuff.
< 1425310682 347463 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (atom (person (age 19) (weight 50)))
< 1425310682 495938 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (atom (person (age 19) (weight 50)))
< 1425310691 121033 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (e_args (atom (person (age 19) (weight 50))))
< 1425310691 269677 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #((atom (age 19)) (atom (weight 50)))
< 1425310698 366165 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (head (e_args (atom (person (age 19) (weight 50)))))
< 1425310698 514585 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (atom (age 19))
< 1425310704 653831 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (e_unatom (head (e_args (atom (person (age 19) (weight 50))))))
< 1425310704 802262 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {ERROR: (e_unatom (atom (age 19)))}
< 1425310713 535564 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (e_args (head (e_args (atom (person (age 19) (weight 50))))))
< 1425310713 684508 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #((atom 19))
< 1425310719 160114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (e_unatom (e_args (head (e_args (atom (person (age 19) (weight 50)))))))
< 1425310719 308587 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {ERROR: (e_unatom #((atom 19)))}
< 1425310725 170876 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1425310731 294225 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (e_unatom (head (e_args (head (e_args (atom (person (age 19) (weight 50))))))))
< 1425310731 480111 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19
< 1425310734 373339 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go :)
< 1425310751 296774 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that extracts the value of age out of it again
< 1425310765 587586 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are just primitives yet to work on such structures so it's rather annoying right now
< 1425310777 806035 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was planning on adding more commands to work with such structures
< 1425310804 350441 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although my lisp doesn't use RLON yet)
< 1425310817 838371 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the plan was to eventually use it
< 1425310944 86400 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: ^- those structures are just "closures" you can manipulate using built-ins
< 1425310975 201557 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :e_args returns the arguments
< 1425310988 402146 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat -> (e_args (atom (add 5 8)))
< 1425310988 550838 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bun bun no happy with u now :(
< 1425311003 90036 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (e_args (atom (add 5 8)))
< 1425311003 238500 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #((atom 5) (atom 8))
< 1425311012 703928 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, why do I struggle so much with reading other people's code?
< 1425311172 437314 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat -> map -> (if (head $1) (cons (eval $0 (head $1)) (map $0 (tail $1))) #()) main -> 9
< 1425311172 624402 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bun bun no happy with u now :(
< 1425311179 892040 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat -> map -> (if (head $1) (cons (eval $0 (head $1)) (map $0 (tail $1))) #())) main -> 9
< 1425311180 41078 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bun bun no happy with u now :(
< 1425311183 446387 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1425311238 932825 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat -> map -> (if (head $1) (cons (eval $0 (head $1)) (map $0 (tail $1))) #()) main -> 9
< 1425311239 81824 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bun bun no happy with u now :(
< 1425311247 248864 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat map -> (if (head $1) (cons (eval $0 (head $1)) (map $0 (tail $1))) #()) main -> 9
< 1425311247 397491 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9
< 1425311253 993293 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow. that -> in front was wrong
< 1425311278 285402 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat map -> (if (head $1) (cons (eval $0 (head $1)) (map $0 (tail $1))) #()) main -> (map (atom (e_unatom $0)) (e_args (atom (add 1 2))))
< 1425311278 433880 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(1 2)
< 1425311280 499787 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: The robot revolution has begun. "Bun bun no happy with u now...time to take over earth" :)
< 1425311307 727362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess bunbunbot should load prelude with some helpful functions :)
< 1425311314 711065 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise map isn't available etc.
< 1425311421 773863 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: Do you have exceptions?
< 1425311427 900274 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Hersey
< 1425311446 526755 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (try (error) 9)
< 1425311472 846489 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm?
< 1425311476 475341 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> 2
< 1425311476 624037 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2
< 1425311494 674317 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (try (show (error)) (show 9))
< 1425311514 846915 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (try (show (error 0)) (show 9))
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< 1425311861 623531 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like some thing I did breaks exceptions :(
< 1425311907 50290 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I have error, but no try/catch I'm afraid.
< 1425312112 148213 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :catch (eval q) (\(e :: SomeException) -> ..) doesn't work anymore
< 1425312158 101160 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep.
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< 1425312458 131522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's weird
< 1425312463 218786 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only works if catch is outermost
< 1425312556 194560 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1425312633 38548 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your Lisp is typed?
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< 1425312825 573794 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: No
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< 1425312833 661662 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet :)
< 1425312842 517544 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (try (show (error 0)) (show 9))
< 1425312842 666090 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. Was curious about the notation.
< 1425312842 666238 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(@{ @E @R @R @O @R @: @ @[ @0 @] @})
< 1425312849 711543 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1425312857 256196 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :still broken :(
< 1425312866 401898 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that catch was Haskell code :)
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< 1425312898 568902 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even realize Haskell had try/catch. XD
< 1425312922 812615 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@faq can Haskell try/catch?
< 1425312922 986928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/FAQ
< 1425312942 504626 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425312963 739774 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: It can
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< 1425312969 872079 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think there are some holes in it.
< 1425312974 643919 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (try (show (error 0)) (show 9))
< 1425312974 833969 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(@9)
< 1425312978 301522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :better
< 1425312995 25556 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (add (try (add (error 0) 0) 9) 9)
< 1425312995 214319 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18
< 1425312999 17422 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. works.
< 1425313013 540321 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (add 0)
< 1425313013 718186 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {ERROR: (add 0)}
< 1425313022 405552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (try (add 0) 0)
< 1425313022 608457 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0
< 1425313065 203905 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (type 0)
< 1425313065 451679 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(@I @N @T @E @G @E @R)
< 1425313071 797346 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (type (error))
< 1425313084 100256 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw there's no String type
< 1425313086 180145 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :only list
< 1425313086 909308 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1425313101 389866 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1425313102 117450 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@I is the character I (usually 'I' in other languages)
< 1425313102 297366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? .
< 1425313117 629746 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (putstr (show 9))
< 1425313117 873108 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y u make me mad?
< 1425313128 505206 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I/O is disabled for the bot obviously
< 1425313132 959430 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like strings = list of char, a la Haskell. I know it's not performant for large-scale use, but for trivialities it's soooo much easier.
< 1425313161 335507 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1425313162 242904 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but!
< 1425313169 90965 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is \pat?
< 1425313170 704262 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is if you aren't really well typed
< 1425313171 549405 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the extent that I wrote functions for Heresy explicitly to allow the handling of strings as lists of single character strings.
< 1425313188 551844 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to convert your List of Character to haskell strings to do stuff and then back again
< 1425313194 62373 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since lists are heterogenous
< 1425313202 539269 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> #(@A 1)
< 1425313202 723788 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(@A 1)
< 1425313210 834996 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yeah. Heresy gets away with it by doing the conversion behind the scenes.
< 1425313211 553386 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (unstr #(@A 1))
< 1425313211 736065 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(65)
< 1425313223 633064 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you always have to filter out non-characters
< 1425313234 144141 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (str (unstr #(@A 1)))
< 1425313234 327772 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(@A)
< 1425313235 472976 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have to use head$ and tail$ instead of head and tail, but otherwise it's as easy as pie.
< 1425313242 736149 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: it's still in development
< 1425313245 278828 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a lisp dialect
< 1425313269 176177 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see.
< 1425313307 53576 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> (str #(65 66 67 :(hi there)))
< 1425313307 266472 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(@A @B @C)
< 1425313324 554513 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\pat main -> :(hi there)
< 1425313324 733026 :bunbunbot!~bunny@160.85.232.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #(@h @i @ @t @h @e @r @e)
< 1425313339 47327 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although for inputting strings there's syntactic sugar in the form of :()
< 1425313545 106571 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: so you have map$ and things like that as well?
< 1425313551 478681 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :map$, filter$?
< 1425313555 596837 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yup.
< 1425313556 92849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :for working with strings?
< 1425313558 688525 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1425313582 563562 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the string library: https://github.com/jarcane/heresy/blob/master/lib/string.rkt
< 1425313637 900060 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a couple supporting functions as well that live in base, mainly the list$ function that allows for making a list of a string in the first place.
< 1425313650 103224 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: mostly to screw around with parallel things
< 1425313657 792267 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as seamless as Haskell of course, but it's as close as I could get.
< 1425313667 901918 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/zBYmmupA
< 1425313703 687371 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. there's eval_par to spawn threads and chan/var for sync
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< 1425313776 850156 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even wrote a basic tail-recursive string format function. XD
< 1425314038 700615 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, wait, maybe I don't technically have map$ and filter$, though they're as simple as doing (map f (list$ ... I suppose I should just add them.
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< 1425315500 995552 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should my file systems gimmick be
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< 1425317861 393673 :koo7!~kook@236.152.broadband3.iol.cz PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1425318568 395466 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be overcomplicating my befunge program development process...
< 1425318697 126382 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`^_^v: strictly parameterized IO blocks?
< 1425318702 871436 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ^_^v:: not found
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< 1425320647 77790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip/Examples14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42077&oldid=42044 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+47) 10/* Quine */
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< 1425321996 612584 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Martin Büttner 5* 10New user account
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< 1425324070 731775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stalks martin büttner and finds https://github.com/mbuettner/retina
< 1425324102 682044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As an example, I've implemented a 2-Tag System "interpreter" in Retina."
< 1425324123 110676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say this guy belongs here
< 1425324168 415025 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, basically a more powerful substitution language.
< 1425324192 922562 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...with some extras.
< 1425324298 581928 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. Also, seeing as he joined Esolang, he may already be coming here...
< 1425324375 578734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that he's in london and wonders if fizzie sent him to the wiki
< 1425324445 669043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat unlikely though, his interests are such that he would find us eventually regardless
< 1425324522 545701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly going by codegolf.stackexchange here)
< 1425324686 492765 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing some rather detailed checking, I notice.
< 1425324703 807872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've stopped now
< 1425324830 216794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my initial thought was "i should google him to see if it's likely to be a real esolanger or a spammer"
< 1425324856 563508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it went downhill to stackexchange
< 1425324893 938240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course in reality i know no spammer can grasp the letter ü
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< 1425324956 772690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that would be an annoying spam deterrent: require at least one accent in account name
< 1425324970 348771 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that why they started spamhaüs ?
< 1425324994 506961 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1425325004 129687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no ü in Haus, newsham
< 1425325020 802584 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you süre?
< 1425325027 408460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :qüite
< 1425325275 206603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I love family reunions (yafgc)
< 1425325321 793059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey no fair making that your first comment when i was going to do it!
< 1425325332 725060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(poor lewie)
< 1425325347 387419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least we know he gets better
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< 1425325420 921920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks girl genius again. nope.
< 1425325446 850140 :kcm1700!~kcm1700@175.117.8.72 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425325461 609464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolkerstorfer is quite a guy
< 1425325487 892169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're going to send the beast down the elevator i hope humongulus won't get hurt
< 1425325573 827243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i hope this army won't fulfil wolkerstorfer's prediction about krosp
< 1425325588 977014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bear army
< 1425325791 971477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1425325944 599359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that was short
< 1425326063 558680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425326097 324452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: boo!
< 1425326141 900139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1425326233 950726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION yawns
< 1425326234 136070 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good
< 1425326251 966845 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully Büttner'll write an article for https://github.com/marbelous-lang/marbelous.py
< 1425326254 779198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sleeping cycle is more like a rollercoaster these days
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< 1425326593 219234 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1425328006 762526 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.
< 1425328008 706040 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :good bye.
< 1425328027 807580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PART :#esoteric
< 1425328055 213025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what
< 1425328109 296251 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Well, we could always discuss why it's never a good idea to take code in a object oriented language, compile it into a lower lever object oriented language, then to a even lower level language, then to befunge...
< 1425328134 408121 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425328149 103756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a rhetorical question
< 1425328191 677227 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Ah.
< 1425328233 839229 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always a good idea to compile to a language that is hard to cimpile
< 1425328420 912487 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425328494 851683 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I guess so, it's just I'm wondering if it's getting a bit big.
< 1425328559 473609 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering if it is possible to design a language which is easy to compile but hard to compile to
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< 1425328692 404784 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014 meets those conditions: very hard to compile a usable program to.
< 1425328704 672101 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean "impossible"...
< 1425328759 790145 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burlesque14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42078&oldid=40461 5* 03188.61.138.155 5* (+53) 10* deadlinks
< 1425328788 207223 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425328789 182400 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible is boring
< 1425328808 200413 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be a tc language
< 1425328824 550500 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425328843 995223 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-100-246.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I’m guessing it’s hard to make it hard more than once.
< 1425328883 552904 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-50-185-172-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425328892 11936 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1425329011 397775 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explaination: After the language(A) can be compiled to by language(B), and language(B) is easy to compile to...
< 1425329015 46350 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My skiing vacation in France starts in four days, yay.
< 1425329023 984636 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-076-100-246.088.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it’s difficult to make a language hard to compile to where the problem is not solved in the process of making one compiler to it, but the difficulty must be repeated for any new compiler to it.
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< 1425329026 900456 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Feuermonster14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42079&oldid=40435 5* 03188.61.138.155 5* (-440) 10* deadlinks
< 1425329077 918818 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: that wouldn't be that bad
< 1425329099 552470 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Feuermonster14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42080&oldid=42079 5* 03188.61.138.155 5* (-407) 10/* About */ * deadlinks
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< 1425329186 697185 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes a language hard to compile to?
< 1425329205 590877 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the question
< 1425329214 539247 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07The Esoteric File Archive14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42081&oldid=40649 5* 03188.61.138.155 5* (-48) 10* deadlink
< 1425329312 551571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ESOSC14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42082&oldid=39502 5* 03188.61.138.155 5* (-114) 10* remove deadlinks
< 1425329318 463854 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the way it was phrased I was thinking there might be such languages already, but that those languages are hard to compile themselves
< 1425329378 442010 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy idea: something with very limited memory capabilities that forces you to do prime number factorization all the time
< 1425329405 93605 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game of Life springs to mind as something hard to compile to
< 1425329411 462083 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something with strange flow control
< 1425329413 256658 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of a language hard to compile to, but unfortunately it's already "broken".
< 1425329432 60421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: oh!
< 1425329453 603121 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: what kind of broken?
< 1425329476 381185 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, there's a sort-of compiler to it, from a language designed to make programming in it easy.
< 1425329493 692842 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that going though that, it's easy to write a compiler for all sorts of languages.
< 1425329500 382728 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language?
< 1425329514 505028 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BytePusher.
< 1425329606 705170 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425329624 177681 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea about game of life, but is there a compiler for that?
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< 1425329662 167570 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1425329672 530277 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burlesque14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42083&oldid=42078 5* 03188.61.138.155 5* (-516) 10- remove deadlinks
< 1425329712 718944 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure what compilation would do in that case
< 1425329717 950815 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:188.61.138.15514]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42084 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+134) 10Stop that please
< 1425329771 535226 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to define io for example
< 1425329780 787564 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1425329819 775713 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could define it as binary data being sent in/out as gliders (or lack of a glider for 0)
< 1425329843 59685 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming the program itself only uses finite space of the game field
< 1425329878 11140 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to specify where the gliders are sent in/out, though
< 1425329887 324134 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burlesque14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42085&oldid=42083 5* 03188.61.138.155 5* (+59) 10/* Quines */ (added non cheating quine)
< 1425329922 99304 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could have a area "reserved" for communication. A set of 9 "blocks", 8 for data, 1 to cause a actual output.
< 1425329935 752191 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could define it as destroyment of any glider
< 1425329939 612293 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :WireWorld would also be fun as a compiler target, though it's more obvious to see how one would do that
< 1425329969 355024 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think destroying gliders is usually part of normal operation
< 1425329992 806247 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: You'd have to define "destroyment", and G.O.L logic does that all the time.
< 1425330061 142791 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would word globally
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< 1425330087 518795 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"would word globally"?
< 1425330104 726755 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could define the positions for I/O in terms of a bounding rectangle around the program
< 1425330106 322454 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :work
< 1425330176 627301 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bounding rectangle would avoid any accidental I/O triggering when it wasn't asked for.
< 1425330304 545712 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But another question is input-how is that done? Spawning in gliders from nowhere?
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< 1425330586 716594 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was what I meant, at least
< 1425330593 181445 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some well-defined position
< 1425330618 420901 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stlang14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42086&oldid=30618 5* 03188.61.138.155 5* (-64) 10/* Implementation */ (has been lost years ago)
< 1425330858 829106 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stlisp14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42087&oldid=32997 5* 03188.61.138.155 5* (-239) 10* deadlink
< 1425330921 947545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a "sort-of assembler" for BytePusher, although I don't know if that counts...
< 1425330949 158185 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Well, does it allow computation on the actual BytePusher VM?
< 1425330966 492847 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:188.61.138.15514]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42088&oldid=42084 5* 03188.61.138.155 5* (+145) 10
< 1425330979 703629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I don't really know how to classify that.
< 1425331027 69793 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Sprites and Nyan Cat (for example) work by doing a ton of copies for each frame, then setting the next frame pointer.
< 1425331031 498193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something a bit unusual about BytePusher is that the first BytePusher program was released before the first BytePusher VM implementation was released, and these two releases were by two different people.
< 1425331061 880693 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Perhaps someone had a private VM.
< 1425331072 400203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's possible, I suppose.
< 1425331174 441364 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that hard to write. I wrote a BytePusher VM for GTK+, since I needed debug info.
< 1425331196 250996 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Course, not sure if said VM follows GTK+ best practices, but it works and gives me debug info, so...)
< 1425331220 863779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff in BytePusher uses table lookups, it doesn't do addition and stuff by itself.
< 1425331231 995310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's not unusual. the first program for UM was released before the first UM interpreter was released, because writing an interpreter was part of the task
< 1425331238 815177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is an example program using my assembler: http://zzo38computer.org/prog/BytePusher/Munching_Squares.pushem
< 1425331252 897513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Perhaps, although they were written by two different people in this case.
< 1425331255 292434 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, your program does do these table lookups at runtime?
< 1425331311 149058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Well, look at it to see how it is working. The tables are created at compile-time and lookup is made at runtime.
< 1425331317 767695 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:188.61.138.15514]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42089&oldid=42088 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+157) 10Yep
< 1425331334 627326 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'd call that "computation", or at least in comparison.
< 1425331377 533770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In comparison to what?
< 1425331403 28903 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the source to Nyan Cat: There's no table lookups whatsoever in the result.
< 1425331445 396669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK.
< 1425331608 678166 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned yet that 2015 is apparently major version bump year?
< 1425331619 403270 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really?
< 1425331625 711685 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least three major software is bumping their version number: gcc, Linux, octave.
< 1425331655 35370 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gcc because of the severe changes in libstdc++, octave because of the gui becoming stable, I don't know about Linux)
< 1425331692 505194 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...kernel.org has 4.0-rc1 listed.
< 1425331695 405136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's only March, so it's still time for other software to plan a bump as well.
< 1425331742 401754 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is only the software I know of.
< 1425331747 217405 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425331781 743879 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua 5.3 released. Not major version, but 5.1 was released in 2006, 5.2 in 2013, so....
< 1425331789 26301 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on 12 Jan 2015)
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< 1425331804 190754 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, linux 4?
< 1425331809 194018 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1425331823 421645 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? I thought they'd released lua 5.3 last year. ok
< 1425331828 385199 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it's this year
< 1425331836 718682 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname:The kernel has it's own version number.
< 1425331852 29500 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1425331871 69240 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just was like yesterday that 3 came out
< 1425332120 747665 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia states it was in 2011 that kernel version 3.0 was released.
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< 1425332224 728055 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But version 2 was released in 1996...
< 1425332232 881588 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Major version numbers are losing their value.
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< 1425332385 385456 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I remember firefox took forever to go from 2 to 3
< 1425332394 264475 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then slightly less to go from 3 to 5
< 1425332405 993377 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then three days or so to go from 5 to 15
< 1425332419 855289 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Not to mention the fact that Firefox is now on, what, version INT_MAX?
< 1425332426 617411 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :36 actually
< 1425332426 766083 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, massive?)
< 1425332430 577001 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1425332433 521136 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 36?
< 1425332451 68000 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm using 36.0 right now, so unless I've missed an update...
< 1425332461 971504 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is it a coincidence that the number ends in .0?
< 1425332480 649081 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has the same bugs as it's had for over 20 versions
< 1425332746 715059 :oren!~oren@public-126-25.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still requires resource limiting and pkillnining to prevent it hanging my computer
< 1425332919 726882 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new major version every 6 weeks, crazy.
< 1425332964 42277 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and indeed "major" has lost its meaning here)
< 1425332969 348738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they just came to the "we're never going to bump the major number ever" conclusion
< 1425332975 592917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this happens in many software projects
< 1425332986 641699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that with C-INTERCAL, the major number had been permanently stuck at 0 foreer
< 1425332988 130783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*forever
< 1425333004 883266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I swapped the meaning of the major and minor version numbers in the interests of nonconformity
< 1425333015 100094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. it goes 0.28, 1.28, 0.29…)
< 1425333027 275999 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classic C-INTERCAL.
< 1425333040 377974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor packager
< 1425333041 241045 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1425333052 124366 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, they already have to deal with the .pax files.
< 1425333056 300590 :oren!~oren@public-126-25.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version numbers should be integers.
< 1425333064 456993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, Debian screwed up and accidentally violated their own version number policy in a permanently irreversible way
< 1425333103 961973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. in order to be able to conform with the policy in future, you'd either need a change to dpkg, or else to retroactively change every single computer with C-INTERCAL installed via dpkg)
< 1425333116 413826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but pax is a standard format
< 1425333122 8555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's forwards-compatible with tar
< 1425333132 235721 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes. But who *knows* that? :)
< 1425333132 384718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the latter makes it pretty easy to use in practice)
< 1425333147 301056 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does know
< 1425333153 471888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Apple, they've been known to distribute paxfiles on occasion
< 1425333162 6006 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also of the opinion that tar and cpio should be wrappers for pax.
< 1425333224 105111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file ick-0.-2.0.29.pax
< 1425333225 611786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick-0.-2.0.29.pax: POSIX tar archive
< 1425333235 126803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean pax(1), presumably? I take it it handles CPIO too?
< 1425333237 410774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :next you're going to suggest that zip, rar, arj, lha, etc. should be abandoned...
< 1425333239 957789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generate paxfiles using GNU tar
< 1425333245 580090 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, pax(1) does handle CPIO.
< 1425333250 667292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has an option to generate pax instead
< 1425333264 2385 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ordered in perceived popularity. or rar-ity)
< 1425333271 174309 :oren!~oren@public-126-25.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, specifically, the version numbers used in software should be sequential positive integers. the ones used in marketig could be anything
< 1425333271 405393 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in/by/
< 1425333273 114094 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also handles ustar instead of pax, too.
< 1425333289 624007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ustar's basically an inferior version of pax, isn't it?
< 1425333296 608204 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ish.
< 1425333330 825615 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ustar is an extensible tar format, pax is ustar with certain extensions defined.
< 1425333334 680243 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why do I get a lot of pony pictures when googling "rarity"?
< 1425333348 585849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's the name of one of the my little pony main cast
< 1425333354 806780 :oren!~oren@public-126-25.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rarity is the name of a character from MLP
< 1425333369 747410 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to know that! Google must hate me ;-)
< 1425333414 402400 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or perhaps I should stop using it for spellchecking.)
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< 1425333420 14823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: not just "a character", one of the main characters
< 1425333427 895347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspects fan might be malfunctioning
< 1425333431 697188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs an infinite loop to check
< 1425333434 434935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it seems to be fine
< 1425333450 293033 :oren!~oren@public-126-25.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, that a good way to check?
< 1425333455 666297 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, I'm slightly bemused but not genuinely upset.
< 1425333465 573820 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on some computers it's pretty effective yes
< 1425333475 600219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to combine it with a temperature sensor though
< 1425333480 464573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case the fan /isn't/ working
< 1425333486 365390 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are there named non-main characters?
< 1425333500 374882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, tons
< 1425333522 160970 :oren!~oren@public-126-25.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't watch it but I listen to a lot of music based on it
< 1425333525 857448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's hard to avoid this sort of knowledge, sadly, if you've been online in the past few years)
< 1425333539 9995 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean with names other than "the dragon" or "the chimera" or whatnot
< 1425333543 346926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1425333576 708417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, looks like this laptop has two temperature sensors
< 1425333591 181395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is currently measuring 49 degrees C, the other measuring 51 degrees C
< 1425333598 570942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well within the safe range for a CPU temperature sensor
< 1425333630 302935 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(please don't use sarcasm right now cause I'm actually learning from what you say)
< 1425333639 687984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not
< 1425333713 367568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my previous laptops had severe fan trouble
< 1425333713 556692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the fan was meant to turn on at 60? not sure, might have been 50
< 1425333730 453999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are any BytePusher programs hand-coded? I know there is at least one hand-coded Z-machine program (ziptrap_002 is hand-coded); are there others?
< 1425333779 545996 :oren!~oren@public-126-25.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My old computer used to run at about 130 degrees
< 1425333828 111480 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: Most of the time, sarcasm is easy to detect even on IRC.
< 1425333850 359879 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to read youtube comments on occasions
< 1425333860 295980 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty convinced some of them are sarcasm
< 1425333898 158250 :oren!~oren@public-126-25.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never read them
< 1425333910 924719 :oren!~oren@public-126-25.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except to find out song titles
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< 1425334117 694184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, anyway, I had a question for #esoteric
< 1425334133 383396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that looks like it might come out of my research is a system of inequalities
< 1425334140 407016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a != b, b != c, a != d, etc.
< 1425334151 121980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you can solve this by making all the values different
< 1425334151 690572 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call those disequalities, carry on.
< 1425334156 361915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes
< 1425334167 303381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume there's probably some algorithm to find the minimum number of values it's possible with, though
< 1425334177 486936 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a graph coloring problem
< 1425334184 896866 :oren!~oren@public-126-25.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph coloring
< 1425334200 836047 :oren!~oren@public-126-25.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically vertec coloring
< 1425334223 759029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, ofc
< 1425334225 862364 :oren!~oren@public-126-25.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :each inequality is an edge
< 1425334228 277313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't make the connection, but now I have
< 1425334237 497261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, I should be able to take it from here
< 1425334254 292562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sadly nothing forces these graphs to be planar, or the answer would be "4")
< 1425334285 653004 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP-hard, but compiler writers are interested in good approximations.
< 1425334325 865193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler writing is the context where this came up, eys
< 1425334327 323805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes
< 1425334333 878545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, and just /now/ I've made the connection to register allocation
< 1425334345 348398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you #esoteric
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< 1425344398 245444 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, some notions of a "theory" admit a notion of a "free model" and some of them don't.
< 1425344430 562226 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose that by "theory" we mean "variety of algebras". I'm pretty sure a variety of algebras always has a free model.
< 1425344452 331745 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425344482 136987 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the collection of all equivalence classes of constant expressions, where two expressions are equivalent if the axioms require them to be equal.
< 1425344553 129848 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :First-order logic doesn't admit a notion of a free model, though.
< 1425344568 811834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone here think of a good use for the lda ($*,x) (where * is any 8-bit integer) instruction in 6502 assembler?
< 1425344571 801630 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do the Henkin construction, but the Henkin construction requires making a lot of arbitrary choices.
< 1425344579 541382 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But not, conveniently enough, the axiom of choice.)
< 1425344605 758749 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, what does that do?
< 1425344644 538376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it's basically equivalent to *(c[X]) in C, where c is a constant pointer and X is a register; however, the resulting address has to be in the first 256 bytes of memory
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< 1425344736 858623 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So c is an immediate value and X is the value in a register?
< 1425344760 284674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1425344781 780166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem being that you can't really use this as an array of pointers because you have to put it in a particularly valuable bit of memory
< 1425344781 947362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As far as I remember I have not used that addressing mode
< 1425344792 870000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: neither have I, and I've written some 6502 assembler too
< 1425344805 729773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if I find it useful I might to do so
< 1425344808 129971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also I'm not surprised you've worked on 6502 asm, although technically your statement doesn't imply that you have)
< 1425344837 660605 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite remember all my addressing modes.
< 1425344845 840037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have worked on 6502 asm, and what I have used is several unofficial opcodes, but not that
< 1425344894 452381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did the unofficial opcodes do?
< 1425344904 676695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC they're mostly random mixes of intended opcodes
< 1425344937 797663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many, for example ANC #immediate will act like AND #imm but also copies the high bit to the carry flag.
< 1425344987 78614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAX will load into both A and X register, but the immediate form of this opcode is unstable so I don't use the immediate mode. (6502: Even the bugs have bugs.)
< 1425345004 943184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANC looks like a pretty useful opcode
< 1425345011 15376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although presumably it works differently on different 6502s
< 1425345063 403009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On different version any unofficial opcode may fail, but it works on an actual 6502.
< 1425345092 708008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However, what I am programming for isn't quite an actual 6502; it is an actual 6502 with a few traces cut so that decimal mode won't work.)
< 1425345175 661327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what it does on Famicom, and now Famicom VM is defined to do those things (although the purpose of unofficial opcodes wasn't defined before Super Nintendo was released, as far as I understand).
< 1425345193 463651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking mostly about NES right now, which is quite similar to Famicom
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< 1425345230 91440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is quite similar and the same CPU, APU, and PPU is in use too (except PAL NES)
< 1425345250 598830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SED and CLD therefore, will still affect the decimal flag, but this flag does nothing except that it is visible when the flags are pushed to the stack.
< 1425345356 51835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What stuff have you written 6502 codes for?
< 1425345437 810431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was writing for the BBC Micro
< 1425345439 274835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for fun
< 1425345445 51149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC Micro B, specifically
< 1425345448 374765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had a BASIC interpreter in ROM
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< 1425345685 68956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have once worked with an emulator that emulates BBC Micro, although I didn't know much about the features specific to its BASIC interpreter
< 1425345766 14285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also had an assembler in ROM
< 1425345963 361745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it did? I didn't know that either
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< 1425346250 770617 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ya feks
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< 1425346368 356691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1425346514 731280 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :its_some_kind_of_elvish_i_cant_read_it.jpg
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< 1425346590 784301 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... what country is .za
< 1425346671 555895 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk
< 1425346700 826096 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425346743 964574 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I searched for "ya feks" and i got some stuff from .za, .su, and .ru
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< 1425346827 983693 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The national TLDs for Zouth Africa, Sumeria and Ruritania.
< 1425346829 295061 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya feks is a more toned down version
< 1425346833 591247 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of you fucks
< 1425346872 358147 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see... south africa, soviet union, and russia
< 1425346911 936903 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What country do you live in oren
< 1425346940 672974 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ca
< 1425346949 372618 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada
< 1425346953 47732 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1425346957 335887 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have fun
< 1425346977 268151 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada is only fun in the winter
< 1425346992 406126 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I just
< 1425347000 235935 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burned sanfransico down
< 1425347016 202010 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems very likely someone will do it
< 1425347029 616388 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... san francisco is in America
< 1425347035 177294 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1425347038 30210 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1425347056 131893 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never implied I was talking about Canada...
< 1425347081 835039 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... So why would you burn san francisco donw?
< 1425347119 681948 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk
< 1425347124 202114 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its a scum hole
< 1425347136 5056 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that already happened in 1906
< 1425347140 306110 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See
< 1425347143 952297 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flammable
< 1425347147 469836 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By an earthquake
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< 1425347159 366441 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1425347165 376003 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better
< 1425347287 578062 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/San_Francisco_in_ruin_edit2.jpg
< 1425347364 101100 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :their fault for building on a fault
< 1425347389 466522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation is surprisingly offtopic even for this channel
< 1425347414 569042 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what else is a surprise
< 1425347424 56508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless destroying cities is somehow Turing-complete, and I don't think we can manage that due to only having finitely many cities
< 1425347458 589931 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one can arrest me if they are all on fire ais253
< 1425347474 286002 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :ais523
> 1425347474 432798 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1425347483 755263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, though? can't you find something more appropriate to talk about?
< 1425347491 120577 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine
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< 1425347527 220017 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish irc had some sort of msg delete system but its just really a real time logging system
< 1425347548 834151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric -o :ais523
> 1425347548 860360 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1425347574 683826 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want a kitty ais253
< 1425347582 591126 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got like 12
< 1425347585 794906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not particularly
< 1425347588 935339 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1425347624 301696 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How was your day then?
< 1425347633 486018 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^oωO^)]
< 1425347691 330350 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make faces with this language ㅎ-ㅎ
< 1425347695 224718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I slept in, then spent the afternoon thinking about my job, and got some useful advice from #esoteric
< 1425347731 585772 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ㅅ^ that's good
< 1425347749 1344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think IRC doesn't need some kind of msg delete system
< 1425347781 68674 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of how useful that would be though
< 1425347797 654235 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to work with my project group at school, but I didn't do anything
< 1425347807 526859 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ban someone it delete all there messages
< 1425347823 708559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I disagree
< 1425347843 94509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone could remember that the message had been said, though
< 1425347862 899868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you delete all electronic copies, you're not going to delete them from the minds of the recipients
< 1425347864 425838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can, however, parse the logs and filter out any messages of people you don't want (whether because they are banned or for another reason)
< 1425347864 707505 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent the time helping the artists get their files into the repository and reading manga
< 1425347871 985280 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But memory is useless
< 1425347897 398263 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll forget within days
< 1425347929 426427 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing a string of insulting text upon a LCD won't be remembered for long my Good sir
< 1425347952 869125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason my first thought in reply to that was "I'll have to get a CRT"
< 1425347960 113974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have the wrong attitude for this conversation…
< 1425347968 386251 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what if I enable logging on my client
< 1425347992 258455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe in freedom of speech
< 1425348003 927578 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Freedom of speech
< 1425348034 199341 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say what you want, but you can't stop people from reacting to what you say
< 1425348052 492608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the reaction is illegal in its own right
< 1425348053 205205 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot detect attitude over the internet
< 1425348089 326344 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was thinking of verbal reactions, but yeah
< 1425348094 187654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in my case, assume that I'm intentionally trying to push conversations into the absurd in an attempt to derail them
< 1425348115 287957 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1375919!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/aquaweb19f-3-web.jpg
< 1425348117 200058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Well, yes, although you should still be allowed to keep it recorded; other people should be allowed to write comment/complaint on it too though
< 1425348119 162291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least for offtopic conversations; with ontopic conversations, pushing them into the absurd is normally impossible because they're already there)
< 1425348132 499719 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are turing machines
< 1425348135 895243 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a CRT in my basement that we are not allowed to throw out
< 1425348153 106382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sketra: basically it's a computational model
< 1425348162 100446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Turing_machine
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< 1425348181 504364 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry but the esolangs wiki is infinitely loading for me
< 1425348181 653378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I guess the Wikipedia article is probably better
< 1425348185 659849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_machine
< 1425348190 766584 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :underwater bicycles?
< 1425348203 249619 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All wiki pages are infinite load
< 1425348207 297225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ?
< 1425348228 516144 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the picture sketra linked to. underwater bicycles
< 1425348238 633593 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren its illegal in California to ride your bycicle in a pool
< 1425348243 87571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I'm not used to people following links
< 1425348265 68245 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't technically follow it. I wgot it
< 1425348283 50112 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais253 What would you gain from pushing topic into absurdity its human nature to reply to dumb topics
< 1425348301 273208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should you want to ride a bicycle underwater anyways?
< 1425348315 232904 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To avoid getting sweaty?
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< 1425348324 251246 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try for a more reasonable approach such as "Lets talk about Programming" would be ofc a better example
< 1425348335 289035 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 Twice the exercise
< 1425348339 353387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found it one way to try to moderate a channel without having to ban anyone
< 1425348339 595638 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Water drag
< 1425348345 492070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another method is to have some ontopic conversations ready
< 1425348351 76879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to start them up with someone you know will join in
< 1425348359 365512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's hard to do at ~2am UTC
< 1425348365 141587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(easier than at ~6am UTC though)
< 1425348369 188963 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to sleep my dear sir
< 1425348383 150753 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix your sleep schedule
< 1425348414 284018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seem like it will be difficult to try to ride a bicycle underwater, but you can try, but nevertheless try to be careful please
< 1425348419 724749 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :오 _ 오
< 1425348439 721173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What timezone are you at though? And, what timezone other people at, too?
< 1425348452 220184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: perhaps an underwater exercise bicycle would make for a better, or at least different, exercise experience
< 1425348461 539579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the country I'm currently living in is currently at UTC+0
< 1425348470 952979 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its 6:08pm I don't do time zones
< 1425348492 846719 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read the clock you can figure it out yourself
< 1425348495 708399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're at UTC-8 then
< 1425348499 988589 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to Vaccuum
< 1425348510 299578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that normally indicates the western edge of the US, although there are other possibilities
< 1425348526 914202 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The forthmost answer is correct
< 1425348550 45810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, at least it would make a different kind of exercise; it would do that at least.
< 1425348582 552353 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzo38 it would be best to strap them to the bottom and have straps on the peddles
< 1425348595 612960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't do timezones?
< 1425348614 679378 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to
< 1425348628 680111 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :._.
< 1425348634 570173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use solar time, but that isn't quite the same use on the clock and on computer etc
< 1425348635 127439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented timezones in NetHack 4 a while back, it allows you to specify any 15-minute offset from UTC up to (IIRC) +/- 1200
< 1425348644 3342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no DST rules
< 1425348662 754130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need timezones in NetHack?
< 1425348662 903023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because I thought there might be a potential for DST-related exploits (like there are in second-gen Pokémon games)
< 1425348671 448896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because some monsters are more dangerous at night
< 1425348687 529557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably also affects moon phases, although I'm not sure that it should
< 1425348704 401223 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am in -0500 according to date
< 1425348727 890655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that most commonly implies eastern US
< 1425348731 46652 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my client it lists me as being in 2:15 Pm 11/19/1947
< 1425348738 30990 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess I'm fine
< 1425348746 199494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's a weird time
< 1425348757 609442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's 32-bit INT_MIN interpreted as a date
< 1425348775 546082 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1425348780 869659 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internal clock must have goofed
< 1425348790 274326 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill fix it later
< 1425348815 543140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, that's in 1901
< 1425348821 161200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ date -d @-2147483648
< 1425348822 649862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri Dec 13 20:45:52 GMT 1901
< 1425348843 468778 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Thats also December
< 1425348852 536417 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2038 is the max
< 1425348859 928071 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it?
< 1425348882 674225 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my client runs off my computers internal clock
< 1425348885 80792 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. in 2038 unix date times willneed to be 64 bit
< 1425348919 914641 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have been messing with time setting ealier and fell asleep before I fixed them
< 1425348923 83286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I ran into that problem already
< 1425348931 756770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when giving one of the traditional 24-year bans on the wiki
< 1425348935 68633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014 + 24 = 2038
< 1425348940 958325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently it got fixed by a wiki upgrade
< 1425348968 69682 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you ban for 24 years
< 1425348980 338091 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually devastated when I'm banned from sites
< 1425348988 996143 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit much
< 1425348991 582091 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A year an hour.
< 1425349014 389956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not bans for humans
< 1425349018 540893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for spambots
< 1425349029 682698 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran into a spam bot once
< 1425349034 605947 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough to have them banned for one day if they spend it in some kind of time chamber.
< 1425349039 638517 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are verg weird
< 1425349042 729428 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very*
< 1425349057 477425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to run into them a lot, but the spam filters and CAPTCHA on the wiki have been holding recently
< 1425349069 747303 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how do spam bots spam on the wiki
< 1425349082 837604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same way a human would spam on the wiki: create account, create a page, put spam there
< 1425349094 994700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that the spambots have the huge disadvantage that they haven't figured out newlines yet
< 1425349100 402125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes them quite easy to automatically detect
< 1425349108 440461 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it
< 1425349127 68476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, they make a page using entirely
or
as line breaks
< 1425349136 158501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than two newlines, which is the way most humans do line breaks
< 1425349137 335149 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1425349151 822936 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch out ais523.
< 1425349163 530008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: ?
< 1425349191 866277 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be a bot -///- You just never know what humans can make up
< 1425349200 848723 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just kidding
< 1425349216 997651 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly, you could be spying to find out the secret of newlines.
< 1425349217 322392 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm vaccuming
< 1425349221 926995 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST
< 1425349223 65263 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE
< 1425349223 691342 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A
< 1425349225 3437 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROBOT
< 1425349230 486217 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I spam
< 1425349246 882092 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just told you I would be devastated if I got banned
< 1425349249 248214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: actually, one of the most damaging things you can do to spammers is to waste their time
< 1425349287 138258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because spam has pretty tight margins, especially when humans get involved
< 1425349291 438048 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the most catastrophic thing to happen to esolangs
< 1425349299 32905 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like server wise
< 1425349319 298941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server's been moved a few times
< 1425349327 42267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the site's been down during server moves
< 1425349336 132078 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it
< 1425349343 693111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's not technically the wiki, but as the topic says, fungot is trapped in a house with no internet
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< 1425349366 580704 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1425349379 754721 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are funny Ais253
< 1425349439 379325 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing this went from setting people on fire to underwater bycicles to turing machines to spam bot protection
< 1425349609 214576 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1425349617 651674 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight
< 1425349625 322638 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm off to do some deeds
< 1425349629 100123 :Sketra!~Syntaxflu@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wills
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< 1425350073 343024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to make up "Phyrexian Nix" card of Magic: the Gathering?
< 1425350112 86981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a "Nix" card in Future Sight, but now we can make up the Phyrexian version?
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< 1425353863 984841 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking up reversible computing terms, what I'm trying to do seems fairly similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rc-table.png
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< 1425354191 650934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but what does the "v@ = w;" and "v = @w;" stuff means there? It says "constructive assignment" but I still don't quite know
< 1425354573 285442 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure.
< 1425354591 283411 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By constructive it means reversible, though.
< 1425354671 179508 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably I'll just stick with making the language I was going to and look into whatever this idea was later.
< 1425355062 553185 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to get back to this in the morning now that I've started writing things down.
< 1425355068 659295 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
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< 1425360273 446210 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... it would help considerably if matlab would tell me how long a computation is going to take.
< 1425360457 692968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlikely to know
< 1425360465 178989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the impression that Matlab is terribly coded internally
< 1425360479 373880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. at one point Simulink started giving me incorrect answers, then crashed
< 1425360510 794732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I always thought Nix was overcosted; that's an interesting way of making it cheaper
< 1425360519 279769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would probably be overpowered in Vintage (and unplayable elsewhere)
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< 1425361492 799311 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr... cp with one argument should copy it into the current directory
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< 1425362410 190573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can give . as the second argument
< 1425362548 992019 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know but i'm lazy
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< 1425362651 901661 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :出来た！ https://github.com/orenwatson/jpeg_tailor
< 1425362842 903231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I thought that too
< 1425363010 595384 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to start putting things online so i can reference them
< 1425363023 688856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That it seems like might be a bit overcosted
< 1425363110 450456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I don't know how overpowered it would be in Vintage though; I'm not completely sure, nevertheless it might work if restricted in Vintage
< 1425363135 452582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Someone else told me the name "Phyrexian Nix" isn't good enough because it has two "X"s in it)
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< 1425363209 786721 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :should it have fewer or more?
< 1425363252 285992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They said two is too many, apparently
< 1425363282 933891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I just made up the name to be descriptive; I don't actually know if it would be the proper name or not.
< 1425363341 809261 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :phairekzian nicks
< 1425363378 204356 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... doesn't "nix" mean snow in Latin?
< 1425363415 804215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but nevertheless it isn't what I was refering to.
< 1425363434 57703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you understand Latin, then perhaps you can know.
< 1425363560 13225 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i was right, but the card is just named for the english word
< 1425363725 317357 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a phyrexian nix would cost 1 unstead of U?
< 1425363803 988143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it would cost one blue mana or two life
< 1425365307 764431 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How likely is a phone to catch fire if it sustained arbitrary saltwater+fall damage?
< 1425365359 334524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07GOTO 1014]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42090 5* 03Qpliu 5* (+3052) 10Add GOTO 10
< 1425365415 202244 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42091&oldid=42068 5* 03Qpliu 5* (+14) 10/* G */ Add GOTO 10
< 1425365492 393408 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... i think it would depend on whether it was fully charged or not
< 1425365609 283459 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be fully charged now
< 1425365613 356242 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's working, apparently
< 1425365620 154903 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering if using it is a terminally bad idea
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< 1425366322 794950 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :salt water can cause the batteries to short-circuit but if that hasn't happened then i doubt it will
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< 1425366346 892704 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would clean it with alcohol though
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< 1425366812 374864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "Hocus pocus Domi Nocus" mean?
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< 1425367870 549945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i long ago read "hocus pocus" a corruption of the latin eucharist, although i now see there are other theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hocus_Pocus_(magic)#.E2.80.98Dog.E2.80.99_Latin , domi nocus could be a corruption of "dominus", Lord.
< 1425367882 154064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was a corruption
< 1425369085 716434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, it's ais523 lawful good day today
< 1425369092 979453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about not mentioning it and seeing if anyone noticed
< 1425369097 664400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wouldn't be very lawful of me
< 1425369111 398278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523
< 1425369130 371432 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good.
< 1425369304 613679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, the lawful part seems harder
< 1425369396 101876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because laws are actually evil hth
< 1425369404 237118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1425369440 195982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NA NA NA NA NOT LISTENING TO YOUR EVIL RATIONALIZATION
< 1425369489 825422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant "it didn't really help", but it isn't really true either
< 1425369495 494360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're tools that can be used for both good and evil
< 1425369502 910060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laws aren't necessarily evil.
< 1425369737 445335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, it can sometimes be...
< 1425369745 473577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that strange bright white thing reflecting in the neighbors' window
< 1425369760 924689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the fabled daystar
< 1425370913 851688 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425371805 213200 :chaosagent_!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425372044 24395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; you would have to look by yourself
< 1425372267 266802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's too bright to look at!
< 1425373009 918315 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy lawful good day, ais523
< 1425373020 473310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1425373086 374123 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is a lawful good day?
< 1425373125 968958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lawful good" is an "alignment" classification in the roleplaying game dungeons & dragons
< 1425373129 727326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little hard to define well
< 1425373139 558310 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that
< 1425373147 950951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and according to the learndb, I'm lawful good on march 2
< 1425373149 553716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*march 3
< 1425373169 135421 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1425373185 997232 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody defined it for you?
< 1425373187 42681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523
< 1425373195 563643 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good.
< 1425373204 954202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it was in response to something I mentioned
< 1425373209 958952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it was me who physically added it
< 1425373214 607585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I tend towards lawful good most of the time anyway
< 1425373230 726382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't /feel/ that lawful, but I tend to see pretty much everyone else as chaotic
< 1425373238 35294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suspect I just have a skewed viewpoint
< 1425373300 313972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425373314 687372 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty normal for an alien
< 1425373344 515334 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have ended up flitting around the good alignments
< 1425373396 741463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ng/cg are probably the most common alignments in real life
< 1425373444 166292 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to be chaotic neutral
< 1425373448 396507 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, bad
< 1425373458 571981 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1425373524 324817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's impossible to live with a CN character
< 1425373530 74674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but their carelessness can put people in danger
< 1425373556 501472 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it's not me
< 1425373600 701092 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, you are bad in my viewpoint because you contradict my sense of morality
< 1425373622 60327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :negligence is illegal for a reason
< 1425373633 10023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a good reason, at that)
< 1425374060 817337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I implemented timezones in NetHack 4 a while back, it allows you to specify any 15-minute offset from UTC up to (IIRC) +/- 1200 <-- what do you have against the samoans
< 1425374082 581741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's what the IIRC was for
< 1425374083 484543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also tongans etc.)
< 1425374090 227842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd consider opening the range a bit further for that
< 1425374102 435865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, if it's too wide, people can use it to dodge inconvenient calendar days
< 1425374149 171398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack depends on days?
< 1425374160 367142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall something about moon though
< 1425374180 672712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing the timezone even matters for is realtime-dependent things
< 1425374205 215781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-12 to +14
< 1425374207 271466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the existing timezones
< 1425374226 532969 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just allow -23:45 to +23:45 to be sure :)
< 1425374235 450964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my current range is -13 to +13
< 1425374243 675007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's both too strict and too loose
< 1425374246 305654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see if I can change that without invalidating existing saves
< 1425374258 202916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think there are a few not on 15-minute boundaries
< 1425374264 885283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though
< 1425374268 712387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even 15-minute boundaries?
< 1425374284 260868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, maybe not
< 1425374293 570534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it looks safe
< 1425374296 994172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like 30 and 45 minutes are the oddest ones
< 1425374313 185053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, for the minute fields)
< 1425374334 802151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (if I've missed a country near the dateline or one with a weird offset, let me know)
< 1425374337 332267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I should change this
< 1425374357 945508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing now
< 1425374394 195779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+14 is ridiculous tbh
< 1425374426 964653 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get into NetHack
< 1425374445 524965 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dwarf fortress
< 1425374523 939035 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dooorfs
< 1425374525 86167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll help you learn NetHack if I have spare time and am online at the same time as you, if you like
< 1425374574 738335 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, I do play Dwarf Fortress
< 1425374596 554199 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, thank you, but I have a lecture in 42 minutes and I am still in my pyjamas
< 1425374606 933013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the offer didn't necessarily imply right now
< 1425374619 720832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume this is not the sort of lecture that could reasonably be attended in pyjamas)
< 1425374619 869494 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some other time
< 1425374643 192310 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's the sort of lecture that no-one has tried to attend in pyjamas, although I could probably get away with it)
< 1425374649 978720 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack is way easier than df
< 1425374650 391832 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who should I credit for this timezone range fix? #esoteric as a whole?
< 1425374659 413339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: well DF doesn't actually have a victory condition
< 1425374665 985696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're quite hard to compare for difficulty in that respect
< 1425374667 773614 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the issue is that it is 2.7 degrees outside and the lecture is a mile's walk away)
< 1425374670 195374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack's interface is better, neither is great
< 1425374670 437764 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: !!fun!!
< 1425374691 544354 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant difficulty in terms of learning to play it
< 1425374692 145186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Fun is probably easier in NetHack than DF, admittedly
< 1425374707 839273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a way to creatively suicide in DF /quite/ as fast as you can in NetHack
< 1425374772 504836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't really need crediting at all, I guess
< 1425374779 507101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it feels wrong to not mention credit on lawful good day
< 1425374790 232809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, I'm going to be stuck with this sort of dilemma all day, aren't I?
< 1425374793 291113 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last time I tried to play NetHack, I drank from a fountain and then there were snakes everywhere
< 1425374834 701459 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mess up sokoban way to often
< 1425374844 719946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm going to say "well don't do that then", rather than the typical reaction along the lines of "YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED, DIRTY FOUNTAIN QUAFFER"
< 1425374904 189156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well don't do that then
< 1425374909 451733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just credit it to me hth
< 1425374911 844747 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I will bear that in mind
< 1425374930 312228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, I suspect I'm being trolled
< 1425374941 179455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll credit it to you if you like, though
< 1425374945 246535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(does elliott want credit too?)
< 1425374958 818040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1425374966 145417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write my name as "Ørjan Johansen, my Lord and Master" hth
< 1425374985 964011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other ways to write your name too
< 1425374990 326349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for the NH4 timezone change
< 1425374995 307358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just trying to remove all suspicion here)
< 1425374997 523720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't desire credit
< 1425375031 95404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I think this solves my issue
< 1425375038 287120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i won't complain much if you countertroll by taking me literally
< 1425375056 861095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it lets me fit more non-ASCII characters into the commit log
< 1425375067 47659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think I'll leave the bit after the comma off, it seems inappropriate
< 1425375076 204311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on reflection, i think counter-troll needs a hyphen
< 1425375106 205742 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start writing my surname "van D∞m"
< 1425375111 185292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1425375128 90261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt most spellcheckers would recognise it without the -
< 1425375133 815601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, language has a tendency to evolve
< 1425375146 514691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the #esoteric version would probably use a diaeresis despite the fact that diaereses don't work like that
< 1425375168 677002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterẗroll
< 1425375173 447334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode D∞m
< 1425375174 572274 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+0044 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D] [U+221E INFINITY] [U+006D LATIN SMALL LETTER M]
< 1425375187 943790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LATIN SMALL LETTER RN
< 1425375192 440843 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1425375197 677753 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cöunter-troll?
< 1425375198 52789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I expected
< 1425375207 108217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that'd be pronounced "co-unter troll"
< 1425375208 842079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LATIN SMALL LETTER RN
< 1425375210 246911 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1425375226 402783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite a neat word, but which would sound noticeably different
< 1425375229 649804 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well if you want to get technical, the diaresis should be on the u, I dunno how that's pronounced
< 1425375237 968874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need boily here as the diäëresis authority
< 1425375284 612869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, you're right
< 1425375299 970963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :diaeresis basically just puts a syllable break between two vowels, causing them to be pronounced individually
< 1425375311 961586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when I was young, it was still mentioned in some books that taught English
< 1425375338 181288 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outside of this channel I've only seen in it in some variations of the name Zoe
< 1425375340 296369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a theory that it was driven almost to extinction by the use of ASCII-based computers (and also printing presses and typewriters to some extent, but those are better at them)
< 1425375359 621863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: right, Zoë and Noël were probably the most common uses at the time
< 1425375375 558580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oë is pronounced "oh-ee", as expected)
< 1425375399 479072 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I see that quite often without diaereses
< 1425375400 784141 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: don't forget the Encyclopædia Britannica
< 1425375403 159995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the co-unter trolls, coënslaving the coübertrolls
< 1425375426 398072 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the categoric dual of übertrolls?
< 1425375435 19083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1425375448 953506 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that and the fact that it's really inadequate in modern English
< 1425375451 21767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm genuinely impressed at the way you managed to work "uber"/"über" in there, leaving it ambiguous
< 1425375451 249219 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are they trolls that are coüber
< 1425375502 142027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uld be
< 1425375509 207205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coü̈bertrolls
< 1425375520 683576 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to loanwords and calques, and the rarity of two consecutive vowel sounds, it really isn't that good
< 1425375549 210049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the main issue is that the hyphen is normally pretty suitable, it serves almost the same purpose in that context
< 1425375550 327915 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, how uncooperative and unscientific of you
< 1425375570 69980 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sci-ence
< 1425375573 611434 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the hyphen
< 1425375586 705567 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer coöperate to co-operate, where ambiguous
< 1425375606 911928 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I actually pronounce "science" with the same vowel sound as "fire"
< 1425375648 48316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, yes
< 1425375657 124046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"co-operate" looks like it has a meaning of "to operate alongside with"
< 1425375666 182081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the co-pilot is responsible for co-operating the plane"
< 1425375698 550566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coop erata
< 1425375724 607874 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to recooperate after this discussion
< 1425375742 585217 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doens't help that no native english speaker reasonably expects to be able to pronounce the vowels in a word based on its spelling
< 1425375762 546814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any non-native english speakers expect that after a little experience?
< 1425375771 55234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think the situation's quite that bad
< 1425375772 319897 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not
< 1425375776 932195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some words don't follow a pattern, but many do
< 1425375802 808844 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are enough common exceptions to break things, though
< 1425375810 150054 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 'though' and 'through'
< 1425375825 235372 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, that's tough
< 1425375827 929181 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trough
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< 1425375848 77071 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone ought to fix that
< 1425375867 225459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure anyone has the power; and if anyone did, they would probably get in trouble for using it that way
< 1425375883 120685 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some variants of thorough
< 1425375896 416503 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not if they're thorough
< 1425375913 623991 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure some speakers will use five different vowels for those five words
< 1425375997 977813 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I think there are 10 or 11 different ways
< 1425376018 467628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I pronounce the vowels as though = show, through = who, tough = stuff, trough = cloth (although the final consonant is slightly different), and thorough has two vowels but the second seems to be a neutral er
< 1425376029 21343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm having problems thinking of a word with a neutral er in right now
< 1425376055 656750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly weaker than the second vowel in "partner" I guess
< 1425376095 415246 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :banana
< 1425376117 476225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's close enough
< 1425376123 883847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly /too/ neutral though
< 1425376125 638951 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, those match mine
< 1425376130 899341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, English is so variable
< 1425376139 228079 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how "banana" has three vowels with the same letter and three different pronunciations
< 1425376139 843049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: and yet, your accident is unlikely to match mine, due to the nationality difference
< 1425376163 581309 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right.
< 1425376167 265538 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to linguistics
< 1425376168 200959 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I highly doubt our accents match very much, or even me and elliott
< 1425376194 78093 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, the word "thorough" rhymes with "full"
< 1425376207 11422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean matching vowels? or an actual rhyme?
< 1425376208 313138 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a slightly weaker, but still audible, l sound
< 1425376275 759571 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really get dressed and leave soon
< 1425376282 154196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do that then
< 1425376293 799350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :barring someone with founder status going crazy, #esoteric will still be here when you get back
< 1425376320 604358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and the founder status apparently belongs to freenode-staff
< 1425376343 507434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little surprising, you'd expect it to either belong to one of the channel regulars, or belong to someone who hasn't been seen for years
< 1425376357 864305 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the original founder was deregistered
< 1425376372 278451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a Magic: the Gathering puzzle.2 but it still has some things wrong with it; I have thought of a few things to try to fix it, though, but I can tell you what is wrong. I need to ensure that if you have bad luck, you cannot win the subgame, and that opponent is able to get the chance to cast Golden Wish on the turn after you have controlled him, but not during that turn.
< 1425376650 996972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that nevertheless you can still win the main game regardless of how the cards are shuffled in the subgame, who goes first in the subgame, or how much your opponent mulligans during the subgame.
< 1425376701 989045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in that case, why wouldn't you just concede the subgame?
< 1425376703 556131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than playing it out?
< 1425376727 440219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm wondering how the changes to the Wish rules affect subgames
< 1425376750 949239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you wish for main game cards from the subgame? and can you riftsweeper in main game cards from the subgame?
< 1425377165 22668 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... Riftsweeper is another card with the ability of Pull from Eternity? I thought they made only one such card, even in the block with suspend
< 1425377223 123216 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in green too... strange
< 1425377236 576225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this would be a white or blue ability only
< 1425377241 6935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a creature rather than an instant/sorcery
< 1425377255 752379 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's understandible because green gets to recycle all types of cards from the graveyard
< 1425377265 586111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i remember the founder used to be someone with a greek-sounding nick
< 1425377315 245076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou?
< 1425377318 647979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This puzzle http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.2 you can't win by just conceding the subgame
< 1425377321 566998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they indeed got deregistered, which isn't surprising given they'd been gone for years
< 1425377324 716668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that was it
< 1425377352 767928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I believe that the rules allow you to take cards from anywhere in the main game as if they were in your sideboard; someone else confirmed this.
< 1425377371 224163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure what happens with exiled face-down cards you own but aren't allowed to look at.)
< 1425377382 163645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Black Lotus [4x]"
< 1425377389 8547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I feel that makes it a little less elegant
< 1425377395 342794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the rules used to say that
< 1425377405 833910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they changed a few years ago, and I don't know if the new rules still say that
< 1425377418 714873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the newest rules that I studied.
< 1425377430 773713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that I asked about.
< 1425377447 972805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1425377468 544169 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait, which white card exiles creatures and says in the flavor text that they don't use death penalty?
< 1425377484 327554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1425377554 291599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current rules prohibit you from taking exiled cards from the current game as if they were in your sideboard, but does allow taking them from exile zone in a game that this is a subgame of, as if they were in your sideboard.
< 1425377614 616580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: swords to plowshares, path to exile, oust are the best-known white exilers
< 1425377619 695514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, oust doesn't exile
< 1425377621 832953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it returns to lirbary
< 1425377624 617499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably path to exile
< 1425377721 442458 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hehe, those are the ones the most used in competitions, but to me Unamake, Oblivion Ring, Journey to Nowhere, and some blinkers are more familiar
< 1425377812 692391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't just concede the subgame immediately because the point of entering the subgame isn't just to half your life total, to shuffle anyone's library, or to look at the cards in your library (which you already know anyways). Opponent can't concede because then he would lose the main game too.
< 1425377864 228611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See?
< 1425377880 824659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, suppose you enter the subgame
< 1425377884 649765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your opponent gets first turn
< 1425377891 133979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you immediately lose it due to drawing from an empty library
< 1425377913 411927 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you still cast instants before that?
< 1425377920 582313 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1425377921 918393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you have no cards in hand
< 1425377928 341087 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lose when drawing your initial hand?
< 1425377928 489660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start the subgame with an empty library
< 1425377933 2014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, hmm
< 1425377939 249091 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's so empty you don't even get your starting 7 cards
< 1425377942 591398 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lose while you're drawing those
< 1425377943 807981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed either you wouldn't lose, or you could avoid losing via mulliganing to 0
< 1425377946 794183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we need a judge for this
< 1425377954 177445 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think it's in the rules
< 1425377956 919608 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you lose
< 1425377960 22130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can lose when drawing your initial hand (well, just afterward; you won't lose until someone gets priority); even if you mulligan, I think.
< 1425377964 881409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could possibly pull it off in Conspiracy too
< 1425377974 865831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :via running eight "reduce minimum deck size" conspiracies
< 1425377976 590164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that won't happen if you solve the puzzle correctly...
< 1425377997 589910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to put more cards into your library first, then, I guess
< 1425378017 67499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course
< 1425378086 419533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you see how?
< 1425378100 520081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually trying to solve the puzzle
< 1425378191 591136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that there is no mana burn in the current rules is important because otherwise you might lose due to mana burn, I think
< 1425378227 827250 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, look Shahrazad even has a ruling
< 1425378235 488551 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At the start of the sub-game both players draw their initial hand (usually 7 cards). If one player has fewer cards than required, that player loses. If both have fewer than required, both players lose."
< 1425378260 211278 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be obsolate, btu I think the first part still applies
< 1425378268 827271 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the rules definitely say you _draw_ seven cards
< 1425378281 835192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the rulings for other cards are disputed, although I do not dispute this one.
< 1425378315 765630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That specific ruling looks correct to me.
< 1425378327 604141 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, some of them are definitely obsolate because the rules have changed since
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< 1425384392 51646 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tough, trough, though, through, thorough, dough, plough, hiccough
< 1425384488 228951 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, dough isn't unique
< 1425384975 942004 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafellot. why so much matinal suffering.
< 1425385093 37971 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: wait, I have a list
< 1425385117 951151 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:B_jonas#Pronounciation_of_-ough_in_Englishhttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:B_jonas#Pronounciation_of_-ough_in_English
< 1425385123 126717 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many there are depends on the dialect
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< 1425392216 842521 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I made it to that lecture
< 1425392221 790591 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a very useful lecture
< 1425392228 990784 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I registered to vote during it
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< 1425392435 720018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably not in pyjamas
< 1425392453 967655 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1425392545 405337 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was cold outside
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< 1425397526 98226 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any befunge-like language for more than two dimensions?
< 1425397537 813032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trefunge
< 1425397550 999847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's been generalized past two though
< 1425397551 148405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, past three
< 1425397568 584158 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know one
< 1425397583 871511 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be possible using gifs or the like, but i don't know any
< 1425397619 893027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trefunge uses formfeed to separate planes, just like befunge uses newline to separate lines
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< 1425397765 954413 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must be a pain to program in.
< 1425397781 554667 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need a special editor to know that stuff actually lined up.
< 1425397880 636682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Befunge IDEs exist, don't know if they generalise to Trefunge
< 1425398184 929485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unefunge is a fun language too
< 1425398197 931738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's basically just a subset of Befunge where you don't have to specify y coordinates
< 1425398215 442767 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is unefunge proven to be tc?
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< 1425398583 560549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure unefunge-98 is (assuming at least one fingerprint that gives access to infinite memory in a non-insane way)
< 1425398588 467259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or even cetain insane ways)
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< 1425413745 676999 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regex meets brainfuck: https://gist.github.com/SoniEx2/36d2ccf875ea025c8fe5
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< 1425414094 154873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, where's the brainfuck? >.>
< 1425414198 853317 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant it's made to be very simple
< 1425414237 779390 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep
< 1425414274 881887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
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< 1425414288 627277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda think of regexps as regexps meets brainfuck already
< 1425414294 321370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in the readability department
< 1425414301 885035 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1425414311 438842 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what using % to escape stuff instead of \ solves
< 1425414315 678401 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see also lua patterns)
< 1425414430 417952 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\\\\\\\ vs \\\\ (or with "raw strings" just \\)
< 1425414578 251280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean not counting additional string quoting there
< 1425414590 329790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's horrible to write regexps in languages where you have to use normal string syntax for it yeah
< 1425414673 582625 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(abc|def) is clunky, Lua's issue of not being able to do [a-%%] is also clunky
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< 1425414698 261255 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I solve both while keeping it simple
< 1425414752 268642 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ofc I also support being able to put [] inside [] (which's just silly but w/e)
< 1425414758 781064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda like (abc|def)
< 1425414763 72898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a composition of (...) and |
< 1425414772 249573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can actually do foo|bar at the top-level)
< 1425414773 212147 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things I'm lacking: anchors and precedence
< 1425414786 985319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's annoying how syntactic grouping without creating a match group is (?:...), though
< 1425414794 184376 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, [(foo)(bar)] parsing is easier to code
< 1425414844 391817 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1425414863 293235 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't specify if groups are match groups or just syntactic groups
< 1425414866 779087 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1425414877 275216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean in normal regexps)
< 1425414880 424108 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's what version 0.1 is for
< 1425414889 960150 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ik
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< 1425416651 12720 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fact: memmove is much slower than using memcpy with a scrap buffer.
< 1425416723 533068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be kind of bad if a large memmove caused a large allocation I guess
< 1425416735 799196 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is what happens
< 1425416795 912918 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the memcpy is faster because the scrap buffer is allocated only once
< 1425416822 134612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously doubt that's what happens
< 1425416848 815011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just implement memmove by going backwards or whatever
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< 1425416871 523247 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I would do, but why would it be slower then?
< 1425416880 987871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff about caches or whatever
< 1425416881 315714 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :memmove typically needs to check which part of the buffer overlaps and then go forwards/backwards as apporpriate
< 1425416895 464694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but I doubt one branch makes that much difference
< 1425416906 834609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless oren is testing with really tiny n
< 1425416942 106547 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tests were in the context of https://github.com/orenwatson/jpeg_tailor
< 1425416963 911400 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To remove one pixel from a scanline I copy the rest of the line back
< 1425417006 147188 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So N is in [0,4K] or something
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< 1425417338 670911 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... Maybe something to do with SIMD instructions?
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< 1425418385 773259 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How esoteric would you define this to be?: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/in.oshl
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< 1425418493 110989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pascal, SQL, and some versions of BASIC, there is no string escaping but you can make the string delimiter doubled to make quotations marks inside of the string.
< 1425418570 451838 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc8-aztw23-2-0-cust128.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what would happen if you had to output BASIC with "" in from a program written in BASIC? """"?
< 1425418683 539443 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: you have to write it as PRINT CHR$(38)+CHR$(38)
< 1425418753 118449 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :""""""
< 1425418824 748612 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer hollerith
< 1425419492 450041 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip/Examples14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42092&oldid=42077 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+27) 10/* Quine */
< 1425420253 147217 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : 110 FORMAT (13HHello, World!)
< 1425420269 901316 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10 WRITE (*,110)
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< 1425421560 676458 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Assuming ZFC is consistent, it's possible to explicitly define a countable model of ZFC.
< 1425421575 692728 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not computable, but it's definable.
< 1425421583 935011 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convenient.
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< 1425421967 797581 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah what is your definition of convenient?
< 1425422017 759964 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What /would/ it take to make set theory computable
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< 1425422469 716786 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any programming languages where sets are a first class data type?
< 1425422796 998923 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... It actually might be harder than i thought. you need some way of manipulating infinite sets without reifying them
< 1425422950 357693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are
< 1425422977 249534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one or two on the wiki even
< 1425422988 790096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also type theory is famous for doing this (though with types rather than sets, but)
< 1425423008 200149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are constructive set theories. you can compute with them
< 1425423012 221281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(depending on what you mean by "computing" though)
< 1425423215 264343 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... I guess I don't know what I mean by computing, except that calculators generally don't do it and computers do...
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< 1425423288 753634 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's something to do with the complexity of the input versus the output?
< 1425423446 156458 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah... more like, a "computer" has the ability to be programmed with new behaviour.
< 1425423476 980694 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas a calculator generally can't
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< 1425423705 177847 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a computer where there are no programming tools would IMO be just an advanced calculator, not a real computer
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< 1425424901 442893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, so like... a smartphone is an advanced calculator?
< 1425424927 376848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a games console is an advanced calculator?
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< 1425425186 8592 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much. Their behaviour is too closely linked to their input... Unless the game is minecraft or dwarf fortress etc.
< 1425425755 203252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :'their behaviour is too closely linked to their input' what does this even mean
< 1425426326 913184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that a computer without programming tools won't be very good.
< 1425426338 450773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any computer should include programming tools built-in.
< 1425426527 298384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there are programmable calculators too
< 1425426596 999209 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1425426602 628532 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how I first learned to program
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< 1425428167 247566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: have you ever used a modern smartphone
< 1425428184 62570 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait do we have modern smartphones now?
< 1425428217 886288 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't keep up if smartphones are already no longer modern
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< 1425428351 751408 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used one yes...
< 1425428439 700234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, honestly i don't see any point at all in setting up rigid taxonomies like this
< 1425428449 348379 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never understand why people are so keen on doing it
< 1425428507 536280 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno if it's a rigid taxonomy, but there are things i would call computers, and i think to call something a computer means you can program it
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< 1425428653 259950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but that gets complicated when you consider the large category of devices which are programmable, but not by themselves
< 1425428716 788661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :this spans things which are very like 'computers' (smartphones, consoles) to things which are more on the 'advanced calculator' side of things (stuff with upgradable firmware)
< 1425428745 608924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :drawing a dividing line is pointless
< 1425428873 825805 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's no dividing line, but theres certainly a value of computeriness
< 1425428876 316729 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1425428891 159759 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a computer is one and a rock is zero
< 1425428958 858997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's such an arbitrary concept there's nothing certain about it
< 1425428987 49669 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is arbitrary but some things are useful
< 1425429007 201745 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My increasing tendency to wear ties despite not wearing a tie-appropriate shirt is beginning to get attention
< 1425429030 183302 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, NOOOOO
< 1425429058 935545 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you wear a tie with a t-shirt?
< 1425429072 552852 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, far too cold
< 1425429076 997111 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will soon lead the world to a new age of freedom.
< 1425429081 398308 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a fleece or a hoodie, generally
< 1425429097 485775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least my opinion is that a computer should have programming tools built-in; that is the minimal software it should come with, although it is useful to have more
< 1425429111 886377 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I... you... what
< 1425429118 674587 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wardrobe freedom anyway.
< 1425429139 899249 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, that is the reaction I get from most people
< 1425429144 933345 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the reaction I strive for in life
< 1425429191 938439 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK you know what, I'll do that tomorrow
< 1425429199 464521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got that reaction for a while because of how i walked up the stairs in lectures
< 1425429207 584808 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh?
< 1425429229 923371 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when giving them you mean?
< 1425429239 206057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, when entering them
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< 1425429305 124110 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you enter via the downstairs entrance and then climb to your seat?
< 1425429329 729236 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, can you describe your stairclimbing method?
< 1425429363 724749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i never quite pinned down what was odd about it
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< 1425429524 436270 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes when I am sat in the middle of a row near the front and want to leave at the end of a lecture, I clamber over the seats in front of me rather than wait for the people around me to move
< 1425429821 912442 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that too
< 1425430035 740701 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway what if wearing ties with inappropriate shirts becomes a trend?
< 1425430073 97123 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I will be a trendsetter
< 1425430360 400686 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I have a presentation, which Ubisoft will be seeing as guests, tomorrow, so we'll see...
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< 1425432489 665777 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your presentation on the importance to have arms, legs, and a neck?
< 1425432546 764314 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow doubt that oren is going out on a limb like that.
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< 1425433753 809606 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1425433754 297332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 040120Z 15014G20KT 1SM R24R/3500VP6000FT/U R24L/4500VP6000FT/U -SN DRSN VV008 M05/M07 A2970 RMK SN8 PRESFR SLP059
< 1425433773 738627 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: TANELLE! AAAAAAAAAAAH!
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< 1425434223 142304 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mdude: Hahahahaha holy shit dude. Nah, we're presenting the beta of our game
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< 1425434560 67461 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds nice, hope that's going well then.
< 1425434590 667057 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should put up what I have for this language up on the wiki as a prelimenary design.
< 1425435319 571464 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds goog
< 1425435327 777445 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/oog/ood
< 1425436134 15316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I making Famicom Z-machine; the full picture is 32x30 tiles, but some of recommended overscan amounts suggest 30x26 or 28x24 instead; how much do you think would be enough?
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< 1425441061 318402 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:MDude/Sipper14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42093 5* 03MDude 5* (+3084) 10Created page with "Sipper is a reversible programming language designed with the idea of reversible logic as a requisite of physically reversible computers that can used to increase energy effic..."
< 1425441083 823829 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to get thigns formatted.
< 1425441088 438651 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This doesn't look bad, it just looks weird: http://ctrlv.in/511789
< 1425441348 761338 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Uh, how do you want it formatted?
< 1425441429 952849 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly the list of commands made into a list.
< 1425441472 565839 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see how another page does it.
< 1425441520 357122 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first comment wasn't a comment on the article, it was acomment on wearing a tie with non-formal clothes
< 1425441698 458218 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figured that out.
< 1425441730 559828 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, that is too much tag entering for this late at night.
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< 1425442682 842260 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, apparently Chrome hilights detected XSS in red in view source
< 1425442859 754967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it does?
< 1425442906 260191 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my best guess as to how something managed to get hilighted red
< 1425442908 964637 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I viewed source
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< 1425450927 656073 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ATZ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42094&oldid=40998 5* 03Thatguy25252525 5* (+361) 10Added Minsky Machine code
< 1425451116 238633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ATZ14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42095&oldid=42094 5* 03Thatguy25252525 5* (+20) 10
< 1425451351 893290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are we ever going to get HSTS for esolangs.org? :p
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< 1425459786 422210 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use TLS on port 80
< 1425460315 256985 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I seem to be have been Tanelled just after I went to bed last night
< 1425460686 814694 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, may you all live in , I'm heading out.
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< 1425464841 417945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb My increasing tendency to wear ties despite not wearing a tie-appropriate shirt is beginning to get attention <-- choosemytie.com is available hth
< 1425464841 604292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1425464888 258437 :mhi^!~mhi@104.131.27.185 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425464898 39799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, i accidentally discovered by triggering bing, was apparently registered some years ago.
< 1425464984 52573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't use bing, but it's still the default thing which happens when the address bar doesn't understand a url)
< 1425465100 865584 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? what web browser has bing by default?
< 1425465108 224823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE hth
< 1425465108 373688 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess IE?
< 1425465137 801219 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set firefox to do bing, but that's just me being weird
< 1425465147 116725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be some other which microsoft has bought into...
< 1425465185 26243 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um, you know you can change that or disable it entirely
< 1425465270 401573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, but right now i am preoccupied with hearing a weird sound and desperately hoping it's not the neighbors' dog
< 1425465284 732933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have stopped.
< 1425465380 400224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: on my list of things that annoy me, that is actually rather low. mostly because i rarely write things into the address bar these days without expecting autocompletion.
< 1425465390 369266 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird sounds in my neighbourhood are usually drunken girls screaming
< 1425465402 441853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sound is still there :(
< 1425465418 740790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: hm not much screaming around here, fortunately
< 1425465425 151331 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in the centre of a party district
< 1425465463 548864 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :your neighbourhood is probably nice and quiet
< 1425465486 306040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds _almost_ like someone could be washing windows, i hope it's that
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< 1425465563 415031 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's that scraping sound that inadequately lubricated windshield wipers make
< 1425465605 996309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what it sounds like, but you cannot here outside cars from here like that
< 1425465623 12251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hear
< 1425465669 142989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am mainly hoping for window washing because that's not something which naturally keeps going forever.
< 1425465709 444989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sounds are very well isolated here, others mysteriously get through.
< 1425465789 377670 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is a psychological aspect to that though. I rarely am bothered anymore by the sound of pumping bass or revving motorcycles...
< 1425465886 620034 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So i got surprised when my friend said there was an annoying person revving a motorcycle, and I said what motorcycle?
< 1425466030 871352 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... i wonder if building walls can act as dichroicfilters for sound...
< 1425466268 145735 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All it would take is different materials with different speeds of sound, like glass and air...
< 1425468337 334596 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1425468358 930878 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425468406 545431 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pagetable.com/?p=824 <- 8080 sim for 6502.
< 1425468412 947323 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1425469079 209550 :Zuu_!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu
< 1425469868 987210 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1425470076 216101 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1425470092 630738 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1425470096 555395 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Semi-quantum14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42096&oldid=41886 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+1) 10/* Input */
< 1425470820 918149 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 QUIT :Quit: bbl
< 1425471000 600555 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425471268 690325 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425472241 962780 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MANIFOLD CHICKEN
< 1425472517 262756 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425473538 760677 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425475018 163255 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1425476363 451948 :oren!~oren@public-249-94.nat.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425477425 351292 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1425478435 266682 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425478480 357456 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425478870 675569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425479090 459937 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425479474 711252 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1425479633 976911 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1425480249 684497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep
< 1425480271 811826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bots keep running off
< 1425480523 285378 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425481281 262201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not answering to ssh either.
< 1425481315 503298 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1425481325 404836 :cooper!~cooper@108-208-198-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425481661 265645 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425481718 9753 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425481718 158402 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1425481832 117629 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425481875 520963 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't have enough ties to justify letting other people choose my tie
< 1425481961 925659 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425482141 197941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1425482248 183545 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1425482544 51910 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have like 4
< 1425482727 329736 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@94-224-16-21.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425482804 207775 :rodgort!~rodgort@105.ip-167-114-152.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425483183 668856 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your cumputer could decide for you
< 1425483186 273292 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer*
< 1425483209 416493 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a simple flowchart algorithm
< 1425483270 566243 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is this a very formal event? yes -> pick the formal tie. is this a fancy event? yes -> pick the fancy tie"
< 1425483418 690996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a very shoddy event
< 1425483645 534997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@version
< 1425483645 683507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot 5.0
< 1425483645 683678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :git clone git://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot.git
< 1425483662 917519 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to avoid those but I guess you should pick the very shoddy tie if you have one
< 1425483694 558714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait of course
< 1425483710 361854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain has some trouble connecting int-e to his real name
< 1425483780 724337 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a railroad event?
< 1425483809 582735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are implying you have a railroad tie, i demand url
< 1425483823 731034 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit I'm getting notified by all those ties.
< 1425483840 202773 :oren!~oren@public-249-94.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :trololololol
< 1425483859 920050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TieSleep: i think you have no one to blame but yourself, really
< 1425483877 302694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it was probably time to get up anyway
< 1425484100 892433 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can still find it via github, it's just one or two more clicks
< 1425484138 284085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the bright side, i _did_ remember james cook's nickname
< 1425484168 662261 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are many ways, but the one I thought of was to look at the members of the lambdabot "organization")
< 1425484217 401486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well the way i got to this state was by reading your lambdabot 5.0 announcement in the haskell-cafe archive and not remembering it was you
< 1425484220 438603 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *guess* it would be friendlier to have lambdabot give an https URL for cloning.
< 1425484247 65643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, to me you are more int-e than you're bertram
< 1425484257 527621 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'll admit that it's a bit tricky, since I'm not using my "private" e-mail address on haskell-cafe.
< 1425484287 300166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1425484473 334379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow :t and :k now work in private message
< 1425484480 956823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD WORK
< 1425484499 240454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do? wow.
< 1425484507 514408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's like the first silly thing i remembered about lambdabot)
< 1425484539 398753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh i noticed the other day there was some command @@ didn't see
< 1425484552 435224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @show 3
< 1425484552 583684 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "3"
< 1425484565 621625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe not that
< 1425484578 2876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it also got fixed
< 1425484596 665204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @pl 1+2
< 1425484596 813618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3
< 1425484615 356937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember what it was :/
< 1425484677 651444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @run 2+2
< 1425484678 954038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1425484687 731676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm _that_ doesn't work in priv
< 1425484697 55765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: > 2+2
< 1425484705 994968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that works neither place
< 1425484715 316054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so still a bit of inconsistency left
< 1425484798 218277 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b4bf:6db3:ebcc:81b6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1425485015 550522 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1425485077 141755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1425485314 849330 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1425485495 846302 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, we don't want lambdabot to become predictable
< 1425485542 482715 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2
< 1425485543 799506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1425485544 338616 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425485572 77561 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: just a little joke
< 1425485599 441062 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay
< 1425485613 145929 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was afraid you really didn't know what 2+2 was so I tried to help
< 1425485655 798354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. That was oerjan. But The Point(tm) there was a different one.
< 1425485669 381256 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-bot: ( 2+2
< 1425485669 530153 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :044 : 12Integer
< 1425485727 41969 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Is it just me, or is that text coloured?
< 1425485754 270917 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wouldn't know.
< 1425485784 563668 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome me
< 1425485794 77475 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1425485918 251286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425485980 219919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: 2+2 = 1 (mod 3) hth
< 1425485982 55266 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1425486013 425929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: yes it is
< 1425486021 760439 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mod the same thing as + ?
< 1425486032 32959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1425486034 563583 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + 3
< 1425486035 842654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1425486041 801075 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it is
< 1425486042 293670 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mod is the remainder of a division.
< 1425486061 110053 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 + 2 = 1 mod 3
< 1425486062 481731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:7: parse error on input ‘=’
< 1425486074 393897 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: > 2 + 2 = 1 mod 3
< 1425486075 759189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = b (mod m) <=> a-b = k*m for some integer k
< 1425486078 679044 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 124 mod 5
< 1425486078 828259 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: a = b (mod c) is special notation: it means that a - b is divisible by c.
< 1425486079 980948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num ((a0 -> a0 -> a0) -> a1 -> t))
< 1425486080 129644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check for ‘e_11245’
< 1425486080 129825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (GHC.Num.Num ((a -> a -> a) -> a2 -> t),
< 1425486116 994277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 124 `mod` 5
< 1425486118 315727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1425486133 138990 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 4 = 1 (mod 3) but also 1 = 4 (mod 3) or 100 = 7777 (mod 3)
< 1425486172 881960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: in haskell, ordinary identifiers need `` around them to be used infix.
< 1425486192 533178 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Ah.
< 1425486203 49979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+) 2 2 -- parentheses do the opposite for operator identifiers
< 1425486204 361882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1425486268 9278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 124 ` mod ` 5 -- just wondering
< 1425486269 344024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1425486294 47914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's post-lexing
< 1425487332 963119 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425487500 98202 :TieSleep!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
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< 1425487945 250223 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425488317 487828 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.10.5 -- Are we there yet?
< 1425488482 657035 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425488585 155571 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425488632 415984 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b4bf:6db3:ebcc:81b6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425488958 320633 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1425488966 377428 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425489007 158817 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-afvezepkvrvxfbfb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1425490286 999015 :oren!~oren@public-249-94.nat.utoronto.ca QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1425490301 141778 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1425490344 469022 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425491068 820627 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1425491847 995419 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki is down?
< 1425491868 674132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1425491883 80160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie couldn't get ssh contact
< 1425491906 395173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and HackEgo is gone too, being on the same server)
< 1425491910 971249 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't access my own $UNNAMEDPROVIDER VM either.
< 1425491920 850785 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425491973 731829 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: still there?
< 1425491978 2398 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr.
< 1425491981 42327 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnordbot: still there?
< 1425491981 695720 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: here all the time, but that was just how they wanted to be a hell of a lot. " so," said ford, " he was a hell of a lot. " so," said ford, " you reckon, what's the problem? " the universe, you see,", he said to a small lump of green and blue. " who?" " tell us!" " alright," said ford, " he was a hell of a lot. " so all i have to do in order to find this wretched," he was saying, " magrathea is a myth, a fairy story, it's
< 1425491986 742749 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab completion is hard.
< 1425492024 407197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well unless $UNNAMEDPROVIDER = cloudatcost, it seems unlikely to be related?
< 1425492034 970887 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it is.
< 1425492038 494494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1425492059 270852 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fn*rdbot is on the same host as lambdabot, which is a different provider)
< 1425492150 971505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :To the finder of this bottle: I'm a fungot trapped in a house which may or may not now have internet but there's no one there to connect me | ZFC is a ChuChu rocket. | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1425492173 842560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it wasn't until tomorrow
< 1425492200 643735 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( The word "internet" wandered around in his mind in search of something to connect with. )
< 1425492229 574833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall ascribe this to the general unraveling of the world
< 1425492255 431452 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a general lack of the letter 'l'.
< 1425492285 731316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1425492289 586984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though knowing my luck that's probably a BE/AE thing.
< 1425492316 792045 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain wants to type "unravelling".
< 1425492361 640320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says unraveling wins
< 1425492364 731122 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well http://arxiv.org/abs/1206.5694 disagrees with me.
< 1425492402 342808 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but only by a factor of 2, which I regard as evidence for the BE/AE theory.
< 1425492426 724533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE tries to automatically add .no to that url for some reason
< 1425492432 871705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1425492436 869934 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want unravelling too. Unraveling sounds like you're destroying maurice ravel's music
< 1425492467 535274 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what "ultra-properties" are...
< 1425492476 236804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultra-properties? are they using ultrafilters on the poor rewriting systems
< 1425492490 989206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey are we being redundant again.
< 1425492519 207935 :skj3gg!~skj3gg@unaffiliated/skj3gg QUIT :Quit: ZZZzzz…
< 1425492523 904466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives Koen__ some undead ravioli
< 1425492560 637552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unraveling ravioli revenants
< 1425492569 864185 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're just looking at the unraveled CTRS and checking the properties on that. (The last sentence probably won't make any sense.)
< 1425492615 392395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s ok nothing in this channel makes sense to anyone more than 20 years in the past anyway
< 1425492627 223943 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION skips the remaining 48 pages of the paper.
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< 1425492765 659485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're better than me, i skipped the remaining 48 lines of the abstract
< 1425492807 337557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the line count is obviously wrong but it's ok it'll never be evaluated anyway)
< 1425492874 876988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw am i correct that MPTCs don't guarantee typeclass coherence even if you avoid ghc's technical orphan instance definition
< 1425492909 714364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm
< 1425492910 945210 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425492920 509736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think MPTCs aren't needed
< 1425492961 724610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, still no SSH.
< 1425492982 576303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The orphan instances prevent the diamond scenario (class and type defined in A get too instances in B and C that can both be accessed somehow (invisble in the type) from a module D)
< 1425493000 574294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You're running a fungot clone on the same thing as a lambdabot? Nifty.
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< 1425493020 739658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other fungot news, my ISP (in London) emailed me yesterday that the Internet is all there now.
< 1425493027 229655 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b4bf:6db3:ebcc:81b6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1425493033 325135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance SomeClass (MyTC a) vs. instance SomeClass (f MyType) can exist in different modules, neither being technically orphans, and you can get SomeClass (MyTC MyType) resolved differently in two different modules that are both indirectly used from main
< 1425493034 580581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helps a lot, considering. (Hello from sunny California.)
< 1425493037 478521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i thought
< 1425493117 923817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION inspired by http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/2xoq3f/haskell_package_dependencies_why_all_the/
< 1425493131 13131 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It seems benign enough. And I don't expect any advanced, persistent attackers. It's running as a separate user which I deemed to be good enough.
< 1425493282 500217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :To the finder of this bottle: I'm a fungot trapped in a house with Internet but no one there to connect me | ZFC is a ChuChu rocket. | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1425493325 512586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an Edward Kmett package. So ultimately he adds everything that is needed to get smooth interaction with lens without orphan instances...
< 1425493350 303240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the reddit discussion
< 1425493355 607333 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes read a couple of comments.
< 1425493420 223945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea of getting a diamond problem without triggering GHC's orphan warning isn't _directly_ based on that, just inspired by the orphan mentions
< 1425493432 336271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should try and test this
< 1425493516 900612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmble i'm not used to making multimodule programs
< 1425493610 465321 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's sad that avoiding orphan instances makes modular package design so hard.)
< 1425493652 968096 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because for any datatype and class, you have to somehow define which is more fundamental, and therefore gets to be defined before the other.
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< 1425493752 965990 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope this gets worse so they will finally fix the whole modules and packaging mess
< 1425493921 112118 :SopaXT!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425493961 29953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: If you actually own a VPS at $UNNAMEDPROVIDER, you could check out their web console or whatnot, if they have one.
< 1425493974 822038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think I've heard of Gregor fixing things by restarting the server there.
< 1425494164 287960 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably don't care much since all there is on that VM is a web server with a glorified (haha) "under construction" sign.
< 1425494432 154739 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides their control panel looks down as well.
< 1425494442 457044 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so much for not caring)
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< 1425494940 306567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://lpaste.net/121559 or http://oerjan.nvg.org/haskell/UnOrphans
< 1425495007 385014 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: neat.
< 1425495150 208930 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( FlexibleInstances: Mostly harmless.
< 1425495152 535914 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1425495168 393267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1425495196 23300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an MPTC would "obviously" work as well
< 1425495266 30824 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, instance A (f C) makes me feel queasy.
< 1425495278 694529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought so :P
< 1425495302 629990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you've seen worse things involving kinds recently...
< 1425495342 858864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, kind isn't.
< 1425495397 809921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope the new Typeable inference is on schedule, i haven't seen anything mentioned for a while
< 1425495520 23951 :arjanb!8259ab0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.12 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been quiet for a while with the icfp deadline last weekend, now is a good time to start poking again...
< 1425495644 336745 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun: http://sprunge.us/FXCj (Many hundreds of scouts were sent out, but only two returned, reporting that they couldn't find the enemy.)
< 1425495677 6304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very encouraging.
< 1425495699 508579 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other didn't quit and are still looking
< 1425495860 387026 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also sprunge is working again, yay!)
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< 1425506612 977567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you just moved and you're on holiday already? :p
< 1425506617 791007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is this some google thing
< 1425506717 175553 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a headhunting email from Google last week
< 1425506728 113500 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite sure what to make of it
< 1425506843 507060 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [...] Though it's just a business trip. Google seems to want all new employees to be dazzled by their "main" campus for a week or two.
< 1425506876 202187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought fizzie already did that, though.
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< 1425512964 72687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does an executable file compiled with GNU C sometimes get zeroed out (resulting in a "Program too big to fit in memory") error?
< 1425513841 852380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just too big
< 1425513849 679398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't know)
< 1425513875 42600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the file size is correct
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< 1425514336 78289 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct but big?
< 1425514525 762001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file size is correct, but the contents of the file are all zero, rather than the correct contents
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< 1425519222 174354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't they build computer, so that it has a Forth environment built-in to the BIOS ROM? I have seen one that has a CD player software built-in, and a few others, but none of that is very good?
< 1425519304 826395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: modern computers use UEFI rather than BIOS, and the UEFI is user-customizable (although you have to turn secure boot off)
< 1425519346 641925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't really like that; it is a PC then it should have a PC BIOS.
< 1425519367 188022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But regardless, even if user-customizable then maybe you can't use it without a disk?
< 1425519380 201306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put a Forth built-in so that you can use it even without a disk.
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< 1425519463 357680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the UEFI is stored on a disk partition
< 1425519569 219273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's why you need a PC BIOS with Forth interpreter
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< 1425519684 247447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could still have UEFI but you can start BIOS at first so that it can work without a disk.
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< 1425520817 124281 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Once upon a time they *did* make such computers.
< 1425520821 759428 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenFirmware.
< 1425520829 695723 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, old school macs.
< 1425521303 993175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some old computer also had BASIC built-in to the BIOS ROM
< 1425521382 801021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be good to put Forth though
< 1425521401 153460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think they ought to do with the new computer too!
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< 1425524491 313399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you think?
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< 1425526446 403885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would think it's time to play games
< 1425526669 823893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game do you want? Chess game? Pokemon card game? Dungeons&Dragons game?
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< 1425530270 469253 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesnt rpi have BASIC in its rom?
< 1425530298 891740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it have in its ROM?
< 1425530504 214906 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdjfjasdfhlakjfhlakjsfkldfkldhlaksjdfhklasjdhfjakdfasdf
< 1425530510 255460 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am beginning to hate JanusVR
< 1425530640 515916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK
< 1425530664 177027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: Do you even know these answer?
< 1425530937 817035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if I fixed this puzzle yet http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.2
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< 1425531193 112446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
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< 1425531981 387202 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It has some code to load a firmware blob from the SD card.
< 1425531984 747587 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... about it.
< 1425532176 329851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting a Forth interpreter into the ROM too would make it to work even if you do not have a SD card, or if the data got deleted, or whatever
< 1425532205 82921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it would also make it faster, because Linux is slow
< 1425532242 578161 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd certainly be nice to have a guaranteed Forth environment, sure.
< 1425532539 894434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I am concerned they ought to do that to other computers too, whether it is PC, or games console, or DVD player, or whatever, as long as it is possible to put keyboard
< 1425532618 667189 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. It's convenient having a guaranteed bootable environment in early ROM.
< 1425535933 697385 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2aebc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's publically ok to talk about security holes in JanusVR
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< 1425600266 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the correct Japanese rendering of the word "understand"? Is it "ondasutando"?
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< 1425600815 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to use GDB to debug a DLL file? If so, how?
< 1425600941 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "Andasutaando"
< 1425601048 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind I figured it out how
< 1425601251 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *nod* Thanks.
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< 1425621325 0 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to use burlesque some more, but mroman seems to have purposefully deleted the home page and github, which is annoying
< 1425621364 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs: See if someone has another copy?
< 1425621416 0 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm AndoDaan might have a copy
< 1425621462 0 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the online documentation had a nice table with all commands, it seems less likely that people would save that as a precaution against the website going down
< 1425621488 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some dwarf that won't bathe and is really smell bad, but they said they need to come anyways; nevertheless we don't know where they are right now. Characters sometimes get added and sometimes removed, possibly temporarily but sometimes it seems like permanently
< 1425621514 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs: Too bad, then, I suppose, but you can still check
< 1425621664 0 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok found cached copy
< 1425621682 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can make the copy.
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< 1425634078 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:-D
< 1425634122 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the HackEgo is alive. when will its Prince in Fungot Armor come?
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< 1425635934 0 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: by a president elected by that? the dentrassis. away in a room with soft walls. ford ignored the scenes that came and then carried on. " mice? " ford," he shouted to the guard, " not really. " we had a look at this," said slartibartfast, " that was one of mine," he shouted to the guard, " not really. " we had a look at this," said slartibartfast, " that was one of mine," he said to a small lump of green and blue. a towel
< 1425635939 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. ooooooooh!
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< 1425657295 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o
< 1425657337 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mroman
< 1425657340 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, right?
< 1425657361 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1425657468 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: mitchs was missing the burlesque docs
< 1425657476 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're gone
< 1425657580 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed
< 1425657659 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no copy anymore.
< 1425657677 0 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you feel like it was holding you back in life or something
< 1425657707 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also suspected that, it was a pretty "rage quit" like day
< 1425657714 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing useless stuff all the time is pretty much all I can do.
< 1425657723 0 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tracked down a copy of the list of commands, which is nice, but i'm hoping AndoDaan has a copy of the source
< 1425657800 0 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we want to be supportive i suppose
< 1425657834 0 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to make sense that you are worth more than anything you produce
< 1425657845 0 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, a lot of people like burlesque
< 1425657845 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm wisdom/mad #this thing has been too damn true lately
< 1425657854 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1425657857 0 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :leonid also wrote a compliment about it
< 1425657868 0 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ofc there is teebee and clock and Hendrik who like to use it
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< 1425661163 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman.ch also points to another hoster now.
< 1425661177 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've switched to a 100MB static webspace hoster
< 1425661414 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it does have php and perl
< 1425661417 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no database
< 1425661418 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
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< 1425663871 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does data being immutable eliminate race conditions, or is there something obvious i'm missing?
< 1425663927 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what cases?
< 1425663994 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a race condition happens when the order of data access matters. but with immutable data structures, the order can't matter. but is there an analogous phenomemnon?
< 1425664127 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even ROM data can be bankswitched though?
< 1425664165 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: the only race conditions you can have with immutable data are things like exception vs. exception race conditoins
< 1425664168 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*race conditions
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< 1425665431 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let x = ...; forkIO $ doStuff (x+1); forkIO $ doStuff (x+2);
< 1425665450 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: does that qualify as a race condition?
< 1425665501 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I don't think that is a race condition unless doStuff contains IO actions, in which case, it's touching something mutable (the I/O state)
< 1425665583 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1425665590 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you fork inside StateT IO a?
< 1425665603 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do x <- get; put (succ x);?
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< 1425665766 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1425665772 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fork isn't StateT anymore
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< 1425669281 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Does the another hoster have SQLite? That is one way to have a database, without needing to set up a database server. However, SQLite isn't working as well for multiple use at once (but it is still possible to do).
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< 1425670322 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only host static stuff anyway
< 1425670331 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I need a database I might use firebase or something
< 1425670347 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though firebase is public
< 1425670434 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Public?
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< 1425670723 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think in order to connect to it you need to embed the key in your javascript
< 1425670726 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1425670729 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much public
< 1425670751 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is client-side JavaScript, then yes
< 1425670782 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although can't you use server-side? You said it has PHP and Perl at least
< 1425670893 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uthenticates a Firebase client using email / password credentials. The session will live until its configured expiration time in the Login & Auth tab of your Firebase Dashboard, or when you explicitly end the session by calling unauth().
< 1425670903 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookls like firebase supports accounts as well
< 1425670907 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1425670922 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I looked at the documentation and it does looks like you can configure security in various ways
< 1425670928 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1425670936 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even be'er
< 1425670958 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going full javasrcipt, never go full javascript.
< 1425670982 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have to excuse myself
< 1425670987 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zopclon is kicking in
< 1425670992 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*zopiclon
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< 1425671356 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'ev sude it to write cahst some months ago
< 1425671367 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn8.
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< 1425671786 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a URI format for UUIDs?
< 1425671800 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think so, but I don't know what it is
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< 1425673789 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there the way to access Firebase services by SQLite?
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< 1425674513 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about RDF?
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< 1425678949 0 :Whizper2me!~Whizper@105.224.102.36 PART #esoteric :
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< 1425680908 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan!
< 1425681212 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdoyoudoily
< 1425681326 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing well. I'm embracing the housewife side of my person, gently cleaning my apartment with care, love, and le sentiment du devoir accompli.
< 1425681336 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's night on your end?
< 1425681912 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly sleepy
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< 1425682347 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome perrier
< 1425682349 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07perrier: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04.
< 1425683595 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have your girl scout cookies boxed and ready to go. will ship on monday.
< 1425683715 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia!
< 1425683735 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh!
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< 1425691075 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear- antivirus software is actually the cause of viruses.
< 1425691100 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a girl scout cookie selling stand at the BART/Caltrain station in Millbrae.
< 1425691133 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: It is a possibility anyways I think
< 1425691195 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See my windows installation was totally fine, up until... I installed the newest flash player-- which came with McAfee for some reason.
< 1425691225 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have Flash installed, so I don't have this problems
< 1425691228 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly, my windows has that bullshit Astromenda installed!
< 1425691228 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425691305 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425691372 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My response to thatsort of thing is to boot into linux and DELETE EVERYTHING that isn't system or created by me
< 1425691394 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems to have worked
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< 1425692339 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: when were you in sf?
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< 1425695802 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing a Turtle parser now
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< 1425697175 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For parsing Turtle RDF documents
< 1425697187 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made the output into N-Triples format
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< 1425698633 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Right now.
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< 1425699040 0 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ksrrsdxlrznuiwac JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1425699136 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1425699151 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the hooker per bottle ratio
< 1425699160 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were to liquify them
< 1425699177 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wrong chat
< 1425699182 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely
< 1425699186 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways code yes
< 1425699192 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm kind-of surprised there's a right chat for that
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< 1425699252 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me and my friends are discussing how many human bodies you can fit in a basement and we went from dismembering to boxing to liquifying
< 1425699254 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk
< 1425699268 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry I just I get dragged into stuff ais
< 1425699287 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, still definitely the wrong chat
< 1425699315 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 + 2
< 1425699316 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4
< 1425699328 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you lambdabot
< 1425699372 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :powerjuicer
< 1425699373 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nevertheless still don't know the answer of such questions
< 1425699388 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit
< 1425699394 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonky
< 1425699524 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1425699733 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gni
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< 1425701560 0 :callforjudgement!?@? NICK :ais523
< 1425701619 0 :MDude!?@? NICK :MDream
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< 1425706021 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there a show called ∀ Gundam but no ∃ Gundam
< 1425706098 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they didn't make up that one yet
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< 1425707771 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The documentation for Turtle says in section 2.7 that a blankNodePropertyList is allowed as a subject, but section 6.5 says it isn't allowed as a subject; it can only be used as an object.
< 1425707838 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, which is it?
< 1425707876 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to call them on the telephone and tell them to fix the document please.
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< 1425748512 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My chess elo sank below 1000 :(
< 1425748559 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw there *should* be a copy of Burlesque on my workplace computer
< 1425748622 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had it installed on it so I'm pretty certain that the source is still on there
< 1425748641 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how recent though.
< 1425748841 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's still on there I can upload a zip to my static hoster of it
< 1425748854 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somebody can put it into the esoteric file archive or whatever
< 1425748892 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the documentation will be out of date since all the errors in it people reported I just fixed on the live one
< 1425748896 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1425748899 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those fixes are gone
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< 1425755240 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened with the live version?
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< 1425756924 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your chess elo sank below 1000 in what organization of keeping track of these though?
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< 1425759184 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever wanted to know the simplest rational approximations to all the multiples of 1/100 from 0 to 1/2?
< 1425759190 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can find out! http://pastie.org/10008144
< 1425759207 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Freenode has been quite stable the last few days.
< 1425759247 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm slightly surprised that fn*rdbot is still around. It has no clue about reconnecting.)
< 1425759481 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is that basically taking x/100 and reducing to lowest terms?
< 1425759512 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no. The simplest rational number that rounds to 0.01 is 1/67, not 1/100.
< 1425759534 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see, it's about rounding
< 1425759545 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because 1/66 rounds to 0.02, presumably
< 1425759547 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1425759573 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnordbot: hello there!
< 1425759573 0 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: got to go. " i don't want to go to work at," and he turned. " but who the man with the five heads all the tests, learning to distinguish between him pretending to be an out a wild whoop in major thirds, threw ford prefect, " it's dark," he was saying, " magrathea is a myth, a fairy story, it's what parents tell their kids at school nicknamed him ix, which in the language. ford was running after him very fast? " very pret
< 1425759578 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaah...
< 1425759581 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels good...
< 1425759586 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1425759603 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should have "simplest rational numbers that round to all two-digit decimals from 0.00 to 0.50".
< 1425759638 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where simplest = smallest denominator, I take it?
< 1425759642 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prepend /"/said "/ to that and run it as a /// program.
< 1425759643 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1425759651 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fnordbot on the same codebase as fungot, by any chance?
< 1425759652 0 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: would work, a mere nothingth of a second, and then his mind to have good ideas with, it must be said, some success. " the babel fish," he was saying, " magrathea is a myth, a fairy story, it's what parents tell their kids at school nicknamed him ix, which in the language. " a computer whose merest operational parameters i am not worthy to calculate the trajectory of every single dust particle of the ship. " it hardly ma
< 1425759670 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mere nothingth? A nothingth is quite a lot.
< 1425759677 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, at least one of the inputs to that style is the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy
< 1425759693 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From now on, instead of saying "four", I'm going to say "one quarterth".
< 1425759724 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that means a nothingth is infinite?
< 1425759733 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1425759739 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be good one quarterth one awful pun.
< 1425759813 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles int-e
< 1425759888 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deserved that.
< 1425760195 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh, the simplest rational number rounding to 0.19 is 31/6.
< 1425760205 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a terrible mathematical inconsistency.
< 1425760328 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you mean 6/31...
< 1425760387 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 31/6th?
< 1425760400 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about 3/16?
< 1425760413 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2/11
< 1425760415 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.18181818181818182
< 1425760429 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3/16
< 1425760431 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.1875
< 1425760457 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 6/13
< 1425760458 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.46153846153846156
< 1425760467 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like tswett's correction is a better one
< 1425760528 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. it's not inconsistent, but when truncating a continued fraction decomposition, you also have to consider replacing the last number by a smaller natural number.
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< 1425760704 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let approx t = do denom <- [1..100]; num <- [0..denom]; guard (round (num/demon) * 100 == t); return (num, demon) in do target <- [0..50]; let (x,y) = head (approx target); show x ++ "/" + show y ++ "; "
< 1425760705 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:204:
< 1425760705 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
< 1425760735 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, whatever, 0.19 = 1/(5+1/(3+1/(1+1/4))); 3/16 = 1/(5+1/3), so it is actually a proper truncation. The theory is a bit more complicated than that anyway, because truncating is not always the right thing to do; I think that sometimes one has to increase the last term by one.
< 1425760786 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continued_fraction#Best_rational_approximations - decrease it by one.
< 1425760791 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You didn't define "demon", it look like?
< 1425760792 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible incorrect inline indentation!!
< 1425760813 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but surely that wouldn't cause a parse error.
< 1425760813 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it suppose to bedenom
< 1425760814 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let approx t = do {denom <- [1..100]; num <- [0..denom]; guard (round (num/denom) * 100 == t); return (num, demon)} in do {target <- [0..50]; let (x,y) = head (approx target); show x ++ "/" + show y ++ "; "}
< 1425760816 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:207: parse error on input ‘}’
< 1425760825 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops.
< 1425760831 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let approx t = do denom <- [1..100]; num <- [0..denom]; guard (round (num/denom) * 100 == t); return (num, demon) in do target <- [0..50]; let (x,y) = head (approx target); show x ++ "/" + show y ++ "; "
< 1425760832 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:204:
< 1425760832 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
< 1425760836 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that probably isn't the parse error
< 1425760846 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, you canuse explicit {;} and then try again too
< 1425760853 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nuremator and demoninator
< 1425760910 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :burninating the countryside, burninating the peasants
< 1425760932 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I did do that.
< 1425760969 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Oh. I was thinking about how to get 1/8 from 0.13 = 1/(7+1/(1+1/(2+1/4))), but of course that's 1/(7 + 1/1).
< 1425760976 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trogdoren!
< 1425761003 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sore wa.... SEKAI!
< 1425761005 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add the {} around the let block too
< 1425761056 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1/8 is perhaps wrong, round to even makes it 0.12. 2/15 is the next candidate)
< 1425761063 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let {approx t = do {denom <- [1..100]; num <- [0..denom]; guard (round (num/demon) * 100 == t); return (num, demon)}} in do {target <- [0..50]; let (x,y) = head (approx target); show x ++ "/" + show y ++ "; "}
< 1425761064 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:209: parse error on input ‘}’
< 1425761066 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that?
< 1425761066 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you know 1/89 = 0.011235... = sum_{n=0..} [ fib(n) * 10^(-2-n) ]?
< 1425761071 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :round to even is bullshit though
< 1425761089 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let blocks don't have braces, do they?
< 1425761100 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, I thought they weren't even permitted.
< 1425761107 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: どうして「世界」と言うの？
< 1425761142 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is also a "inner let" in the do-block, maybe something is wrong wht that
< 1425761162 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1425761215 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as the number of states and/or symbols goes to infinity, would you expect the probability that a randomly chosen TM is universal to go to one, zero, or some other constant?
< 1425761232 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do let x = 3; return 3
< 1425761233 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:23:
< 1425761233 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
< 1425761238 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :クイズ番組の言う事でしょう
< 1425761241 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hmm
< 1425761251 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 0, definitely
< 1425761252 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect it either to go to 1, or some constant based on e
< 1425761264 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be different for states going to infinity or symbols going to infinity
< 1425761274 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let approx t = do denom <- [1..100]; num <- [0..denom]; guard (round (num/denom) * 100 == t); return (num, demon) in do target <- [0..50]; (x,y) <- return (head (approx target)); show x ++ "/" + show y ++ "; "
< 1425761276 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘demon’
< 1425761277 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: no, but it doesn't surprise me too much. I mean, it's just x^3/(1-x-x^2) with x=1/10... Oh you must have fib(0)=1, who does that?
< 1425761282 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let approx t = do denom <- [1..100]; num <- [0..denom]; guard (round (num/denom) * 100 == t); return (num, denom) in do target <- [0..50]; (x,y) <- return (head (approx target)); show x ++ "/" + show y ++ "; "
< 1425761284 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Types.Char)
< 1425761284 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘GHC.Num.+’
< 1425761286 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you can actually prove that the probability that a string of symbols follows a simple 'logic' is very very very low
< 1425761287 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My inner demons are trying to escape.
< 1425761290 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because in order to prove a language with a lot of commands TC, you're normally trying to find a TC subset
< 1425761317 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: uh, I didn't *use* the + operator.
< 1425761320 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's unclear how likely a randomly generated TM is to have well-behaved subsets (that you can keep within the subset)
< 1425761323 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't process the decrease rate of the probability of a submachine being "self-contained"
< 1425761324 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I think e is likely relevant
< 1425761329 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes you did
< 1425761331 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: neither can I
< 1425761332 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah hum I usually have fib(0) = 0, I didn't really think
< 1425761336 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I'm not sure what the answer is
< 1425761346 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. I sure did.
< 1425761350 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let approx t = do denom <- [1..100]; num <- [0..denom]; guard (round (num/denom) * 100 == t); return (num, denom) in do target <- [0..50]; (x,y) <- return (head (approx target)); show x ++ "/" ++ show y ++ "; "
< 1425761351 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "0.0/1.0; *Exception: Prelude.head: empty list
< 1425761395 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh fuck it.
< 1425761398 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: (the expression I gave was for fib(0)=1, but it's equal to 1/890)
< 1425761408 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i feel like the probability decrease should be roughly on par with the increase in number of submachines though. I lean towards "other constant"
< 1425761422 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Uhm. for fib(0)=0.
< 1425761423 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ let (x,y) = head . filter (\(x,y) -> round (100*x/y) == n) $ rats in show x ++ "/" ++ show y | n <- [0..50] ]
< 1425761425 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘rats’
< 1425761430 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: そうですね。
< 1425761440 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a simpler question is "what probability is it that there's a straight simulation of any given TM in a randomly chosen TM?"
< 1425761456 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let rats = [ (x,y) | y <- [1..100], x <- [0..y] ] in [ let (x,y) = head . filter (\(x,y) -> round (100*x/y) == n) $ rats in show x ++ "/" ++ show y | n <- [0..50] ]
< 1425761457 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["0.0/1.0","1.0/67.0","1.0/40.0","1.0/29.0","1.0/23.0","1.0/19.0","1.0/16.0"...
< 1425761496 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not simple enough for me o_0
< 1425761502 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: and in any case the real point was that this is fairly easy to verify with generating function theory. And the same theory also allows one to construct such "surprising" identities.
< 1425761506 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's still a nontrivial question
< 1425761506 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I discovered that when I was 13 and I was quite puzzled. I was even more puzzled when I realized rational numbers have a periodic decimal development
< 1425761509 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just easier than the other one
< 1425761568 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Oh I can imagine that. Adding lots of random-looking-numbers, why would the result ever be periodic...
< 1425761661 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the temporaries you get in long division randomism?
< 1425761666 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ish?
< 1425761700 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: and it probably becomes *more* mysterious if you know the (((1+sqrt(5))/2)^n - ((1-sqrt(5))/2)^n) / sqrt(5) formula :)
< 1425761712 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if I got that correct)
< 1425761732 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I believe I did)
< 1425761742 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmm that sounds familiar but I haven't seen that in six years
< 1425761940 0 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425762009 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: (The nice thing about starting with fib(0) = 0 is that then fib(n) divides fib(m) if (and only if) n divides m.
< 1425762012 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1425762073 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fib(0) = 0, fib(1) = 1, fib(2) = 1, fib(2) divides fib(1), 2 does not divide 1
< 1425762117 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing your proof assumes n < m though
< 1425762137 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. sorry, no "only if" then.
< 1425762156 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1425762198 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 does not divide 3 either)
< 1425762210 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1425762483 0 :v^!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b4bf:6db3:ebcc:81b6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425762722 0 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b4bf:6db3:ebcc:81b6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1425763088 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should work out for n != 2 though. The real identity I was after was gcd(fib(n),fib(m)) = fib(gcd(n,m)), and that is strong enough to get the "only if" direction except for n = +/-2.
< 1425763929 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ktfltvwavtbwleqr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1425764344 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ziqhiunnjylzadof JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425764968 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425766320 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425766890 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-75-69-128-25.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425767108 0 :newsham_!?@? NICK :newsham
< 1425767240 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vaxman.de/publications/5_perl.pdf
< 1425767854 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1425768171 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Koen_: and it probably becomes *more* mysterious if you know the (((1+sqrt(5))/2)^n - ((1-sqrt(5))/2)^n) / sqrt(5) formula :) <-- hm? that immediately gives you that the other one is also the sum of geometric series, so you can calculate it...
< 1425768321 0 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425768388 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, does this work in any base...
< 1425768467 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1/(1-((1+sqrt(5))/2b)) - 1/(1-((1-sqrt(5))/2b))) / sqrt(5)
< 1425768483 0 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1425768521 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it may not be immediately obvious why that should be a rational :/
< 1425768563 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm obviously 89 = 100 - 10 - 1
< 1425768613 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, the sqrt(5) formula probably doesn't help.
< 1425768640 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425768869 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least 58 is 8 + (3 - 1 / 2) * 20...
< 1425769241 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 8 + ( 3 - 1 / 3) * 20
< 1425769243 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 61.33333333333333
< 1425769247 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk
< 1425769254 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with Sketra
< 1425769260 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I put a 3
< 1425769261 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1425769265 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff
< 1425769281 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides from the mapole
< 1425769294 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 8 + ( 3 - 1 / 2) * 20
< 1425769296 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 58.0
< 1425769299 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ayyyy
< 1425769353 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: are you trying to understand danish numerals that's the only thing relevant that pops into my mind here
< 1425769376 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oerjan
< 1425769379 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi boily
< 1425769402 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: me? absolutely not. what would make you think that? and no, I'm not hiding any mapoles behind my back, no sir.
< 1425769405 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skellotra!
< 1425769448 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a mapole?
< 1425769458 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why is oerjan hiding from it
< 1425769488 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a virus today
< 1425769493 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: because in danish, 58 = otte og halvtreds, which basically means that formula
< 1425769494 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am proud of myself
< 1425769516 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CXII
< 1425769527 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's the source of the 58 decomposition I wrote indeed :P
< 1425769536 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mapole
< 1425769537 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards.
< 1425769544 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sketra: this is a mapole ↑
< 1425769570 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are danish numbers just alphabetic and pronounced
< 1425769581 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn me some danish
< 1425769600 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sketra: no, they also use ordinary digits hth
< 1425769634 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sketra: i'm afraid danish is only fun when you can hear it pronounced, which doesn't work too well over irc
< 1425769648 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rødgrød med fløde)
< 1425769692 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. ain't gonna choke on that sentence anymore.
< 1425769692 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh youtube to the rescue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQkvqJJvR9U
< 1425769778 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! it's much better with an audio clip.
< 1425769782 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff
< 1425769830 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :øøøøøø!
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< 1425769880 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a good documentary on the danish language: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk
< 1425769890 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck has youtube started insisting on playing everything as a video series :(
< 1425769895 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :œ
< 1425769923 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[œ] is a nice sound too.
< 1425769929 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops accidentally expanded acronym
< 1425769947 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it wasn't hth hth.
< 1425769969 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sketra: so, what are your approximate geographic coördinates, and body weigh?
< 1425770032 0 :v^!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:b4bf:6db3:ebcc:81b6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1425770197 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Washington state, Tacoma, WA; South puget sound AVE house number unknown: Weight 123 Lbs.
< 1425770207 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There yaoi are
< 1425770289 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a precise and timely answer??? what has this chännel come to... oh the fungotity...
< 1425770340 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :About that, what is the current midpoint when projected to earth?
< 1425770343 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't you indicate using degrees of longitude/latitude? Possibly you might also want the amount of elevation
< 1425770348 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :to earth's surface*
< 1425770371 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: but which projection
< 1425770385 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until we get a guy living in Peru, I don't think elevation is that important.
< 1425770413 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6700 Meters below the earths crust
< 1425770422 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my house
< 1425770424 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we _have_ had people in south africa.
< 1425770427 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1425770430 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and australia.
< 1425770436 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could derive the elevation from the coordinates, though
< 1425770439 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then you can get the information from surface elevation at a given point
< 1425770442 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that elevation
< 1425770444 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were trying to calculate the center of gravity or something like that, in such case you do require elevation too
< 1425770446 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless we get someone living in a mineshaft
< 1425770464 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the elevation from coordinates might not be good enough since it might be a tower
< 1425770468 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if you want to take the y-position of people living in skyscrapers into account
< 1425770485 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y cords -67.90000
< 1425770486 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :田村さああん～！ やおいって何？
< 1425770488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :realistically i'd guess the cog is somewhere under the north atlantic
< 1425770502 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: www
< 1425770507 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need the elevation if you are trying to plot a horoscope, but then you don't need your weight either, and anyways that doesn't seem what you try to make
< 1425770511 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me translate
< 1425770544 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm still waiting for a properly relativistic horoscope system
< 1425770552 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you have the list of approximate coördinates and body weight somewhere?
< 1425770562 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :window had a cat named Peru who watched the elevation of earth grow steadily sideways?!?!!? We like water melons and eat grains of universes
< 1425770585 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least properly non-earth-centric
< 1425770611 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You already can use the sun as center of measurement if you want to; it doesn't have to be Earth at the center
< 1425770620 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what kind of mess the astrologers will make once we do start colonizing other planets
< 1425770630 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: let me upload that...
< 1425770638 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, no software I have seen can calculate houses when the center of meausurement isn't the Earth.
< 1425770663 0 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425770688 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, if you are able to define a zero longitude for the planet or other object, you should be allowed to calculate houses too.
< 1425770742 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: now make it work for people born in spaceships
< 1425770744 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://lpaste.net/567927726028095488
< 1425770785 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nuttygod.tumblr.com/post/112856765400/hanatakayao-22
< 1425770796 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :merci, boily
< 1425770798 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you spell her name again
< 1425770801 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Using a spaceship as the center of measurement will be more difficult; there doesn't seem to be any way to reasonably do that.
< 1425770820 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: pas de trouble!
< 1425770862 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what the ecliptic will be in such a case, for one thing.
< 1425770868 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my idea is that you "really" have a house-like system for each planet, not just the one you're on, it's just that it's irrelevant when the distance to it is huge
< 1425770869 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :43.655 N 79.420 W
< 1425770922 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about where I live
< 1425770988 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahhahahah
< 1425771017 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I can siphon your internet
< 1425771019 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not quite sure exactly how you mean?
< 1425771031 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sketra: just you try, punk.
< 1425771052 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kids these days
< 1425771102 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm pretty sure the nick's spelled Lymia btw
< 1425771128 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hm. eh. eeeergh...
< 1425771193 0 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer programs don't have weights. :o
< 1425771197 0 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doh.
< 1425771219 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellymia!
< 1425771269 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i also have reason to believe that Sketra and Lilax are very very close hth
< 1425771282 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The physical media to store the computer programs can have weights
< 1425771309 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, probably sharing a body
< 1425771325 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is quite close
< 1425771382 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me oerjan but I'm much more structured than Lilax although you aren't wrong about the body I'm just more neat and well organised rather than lilax where as he likes to fuck with everything and annoy oerjan
< 1425771415 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i very carefully avoided saying anything about mind hth
< 1425771432 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :おえりゃん：ええええええ～～～
< 1425771436 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1425771452 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But implications are always there
< 1425771461 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: wouldn't using katakana for the first part make more sense?
< 1425771494 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Islam seems to have worked something out http://archive.wired.com/science/space/news/2007/09/mecca_in_orbit
< 1425771495 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :いい考えだ。
< 1425771496 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats Oerjans head
< 1425771522 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also
< 1425771532 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot how to order pizza
< 1425771589 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you take the slices and then you put the smallest one on the left and the biggest one on the right
< 1425771620 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :｢ｵｴﾘｬﾝ｣と書いていい？
< 1425771627 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: 僕は「oerjan」の発音が/œrjæn/でしょう？
< 1425771642 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall i really have to open the logs in google translate again.
< 1425771661 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we were surmising about the most probable way your name's pronounced.
< 1425771702 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: だから、「エリャン」っていい？たぶん？
< 1425771716 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh GT refuses to open tunes.org
< 1425771719 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eryan" da to omou, ne
< 1425771728 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and glogbot is absent
< 1425771754 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :「ウリャン」かな？
< 1425771790 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :demo sa, "eriyan" mo "uryan" mo "oeryan" mo kanousei ga aru.
< 1425771794 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ウ？？？
< 1425771814 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i seem to be unable to follow the discussion without jumping through more hoops than i have patience for.
< 1425771831 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, "yer-han"
< 1425771850 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :They mainly seem to be about how to express ø using japanese syllables
< 1425771851 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: he saidd they're all possibilities
< 1425771854 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comment ça, ウ? ça fait pas de sens des affaires de même là là!
< 1425771868 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just to make oerjan jump through an additional loop :P)
< 1425771870 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :A, soshite "ixeruhaan". ne?
< 1425771904 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :イェルハーン
< 1425771937 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Un.
< 1425771940 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: オホホホホ
< 1425771948 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :そうとおもう
< 1425772030 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it's probably /œɾjan/
< 1425772036 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1425772053 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*btw it's probably /œɾjɑn/
< 1425772121 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1425772150 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oʊɜrdʒæn
< 1425772189 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :デンマーク語はどんなＲがある？
< 1425772296 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: フランス語の「r」音は同じですhth
< 1425772335 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1425772362 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :None pizza with left beef
< 1425772391 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either Beef (Maybe Pizza).
< 1425772456 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i'm not danish hth
< 1425772471 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i certainly roll my r's)
< 1425772487 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my rs don't roll at all :(
< 1425772502 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, flap i guess
< 1425772517 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but neither english not french r is correct for my dialect
< 1425772520 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nor
< 1425772521 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ウリャン
< 1425772621 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb I'm choking on something
< 1425772627 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. whatever I do, it still sounds like at most /œʀjɑn/.
< 1425772636 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do a W-like r, a flapped r or a rolling spanish r
< 1425772681 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't pronounce a rolling r either :\
< 1425772686 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :χ, ʁ or ʀ here.
< 1425772691 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like my r at all
< 1425772718 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In anime tough guys roll their rs like "horrrrra, kono yarrrrrooo!"
< 1425772721 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't roll my r's eirher
< 1425772748 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ther*
< 1425772760 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I try it comes out as a low growl
< 1425772768 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. The typical Japanese "r" is a tapped "r", and it's a quick step from there to rolling it.
< 1425772863 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you roll an r
< 1425772869 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show me your ways
< 1425772871 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hm i thought most swedes could do a rolled/flapped r, is your dialect from Skåne?
< 1425772886 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call the english r a w-like r, because that's the closest other sound, but i dunno what it's called officially
< 1425772914 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it's an alveolar approximant, [ɹ].
< 1425772933 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you roll your r's
< 1425772945 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like all my friends can do it
< 1425772957 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I could at one point but like idk
< 1425772960 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You roll an r by blowing air out and your tongue sort of flaps in the wind
< 1425772991 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I make the r noise
< 1425773000 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeas
< 1425773010 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I was born in Lund.
< 1425773017 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfg I cannot even do this oren my tongue just clenches upwards
< 1425773073 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iz it cuz I have a breathing problem
< 1425773077 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: oh, you really can't do the normal r?
< 1425773115 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I speak some kind of mashup between dialects.. or I think it's mostly similar to standard swedish save for some funny things like having a weird r
< 1425773123 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: correct
< 1425773127 0 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1425773177 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you like
< 1425773183 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :use vacroo for an example
< 1425773189 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious, I guess, that you wouldn't use that sound and never learn it naturally, but it still feels odd
< 1425773194 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a rolled r
< 1425773287 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a vacroo?
< 1425773302 0 :Sketra!~Cock@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :small sound clip recorder website
< 1425773306 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_trill
< 1425773496 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates flash
< 1425773595 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash is quite awful
< 1425773652 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :installing audacity so I can record my voice...
< 1425773822 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might pronounce r as [ʁ]
< 1425773860 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1425773893 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that doesn't seem right either
< 1425773986 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my feeble attempt at rolling: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3o4ik2bzoqt9dbf/roll.ogg?dl=0
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< 1425774200 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome trn
< 1425774201 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :08trn: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07 instance Fractional Integer where a / b = a `div` b <-- WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT
< 1425823733 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman wrote that? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
< 1425823789 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: doWithBinOp binOp a b :: Num a => a -> a -> a
< 1425823818 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :would fail on doWithBinOp (/) (9 :: Integer) (8 :: Integer)
< 1425823872 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just say it's VERY INCONVENIENT that all arithmetic operators are the same for Double,Int
< 1425823875 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for division
< 1425823895 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where some people decided that Integer division shouldn't even have an operator
< 1425823936 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they decided that integer division and floating division are too different to be considered the same operator.
< 1425823956 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THEY WERE RIGHT HTH
< 1425823964 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they suck
< 1425824025 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you could as well introduce `add` `sub` `mul`
< 1425824041 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because integers and reals are both rings
< 1425824047 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rings!
< 1425824067 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like any programmer not having a group/category theory gives a rat's ass about that
< 1425824078 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :+background
< 1425824099 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION backs away from mroman and hopes it's not too infectious
< 1425824130 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :For this interpreter I had this neat M.Map String (Num a => a -> a -> a)
< 1425824161 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just could lookup + * / - in that map and call the function no matter if I had Double or Integers in front of me
< 1425824164 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT!
< 1425824166 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work on integers
< 1425824173 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rats are a good source of vitamin C.
< 1425824179 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd had to add a special case for /
< 1425824180 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you _still_ don't get that type because not all Nums have _either_ (/) or div
< 1425824187 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that pissed me off so I just made that instance
< 1425824215 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't care
< 1425824227 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmer experience > theory > ideology > purism
< 1425824236 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my opinion
< 1425824287 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an operator for (\x y -> x ++ [y]) in prelude
< 1425824292 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because writing x ++ [y] sucks
< 1425824299 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next week: mroman starts using Dynamic for _everything_
< 1425824306 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1425824309 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like static type checking
< 1425824326 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (|>)
< 1425824327 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snoc s s a a => s -> a -> s
< 1425824355 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (++)
< 1425824356 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> [a] -> [a]
< 1425824358 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: x ++ [y] is vaguely discouraged because it's an inefficiency trap if overused hth
< 1425824369 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lists could have been abstracted as a type class as well
< 1425824379 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It is inefficient
< 1425824382 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstract lists are sequences hth.
< 1425824407 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :This prevents me from implementing ++ for other list like types :(
< 1425824420 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. to flip every bit in an integer
< 1425824423 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't use map for that
< 1425824476 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see MonoTraversable or something
< 1425824503 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an interface with head and tail
< 1425824517 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cons
< 1425824522 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :head and tail are also vague discouraged
< 1425824534 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1425824535 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(partial functions)
< 1425824540 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that logic lisp is discouraged
< 1425824574 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp doesn't have a tradition for pattern matching
< 1425824616 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1425824621 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :car on an empty list returns NIL right?
< 1425824632 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
< 1425824639 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1425824641 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does
< 1425824660 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's incompatible with static typing.
< 1425824744 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :data List a = (Nilable a) => Cons a (List a) | Empty
< 1425824764 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm.
< 1425824765 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1425824770 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it could be done in haskell as well
< 1425824776 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :type system is pretty fucking powerful
< 1425824785 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with type operators and type functions and shit
< 1425824999 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not really
< 1425825020 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :use maybeHead then
< 1425825021 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1425825040 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybeHead' = fromJust . maybeHead for all the suckers out there
< 1425825077 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew
< 1425825104 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving...
< 1425825212 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($>)
< 1425825213 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘$>’
< 1425825213 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1425825213 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘>>’ (imported from Control.Monad.Writer),
< 1425825220 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<$>)
< 1425825221 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b
< 1425825241 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (??)
< 1425825242 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b
< 1425825243 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (*2) <$> head' [2]
< 1425825245 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘head'’
< 1425825245 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1425825245 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘head’ (imported from Data.List),
< 1425825276 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Functor have a monad instance?
< 1425825282 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1425825290 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor is a class, so no.
< 1425825295 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1425825312 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, next release it's a superclass of Monad.
< 1425825319 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool if you could write
< 1425825328 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff = do { head' [2]; (*2); }
< 1425825356 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, do you mean functions, because they do
< 1425825357 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. do inserts flip (<$>) between lines)
< 1425825401 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t <|>
< 1425825402 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input ‘<|>’
< 1425825404 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<|>)
< 1425825405 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative f => f a -> f a -> f a
< 1425825602 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should implement a prototype of my crazy non-type system
< 1425825688 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't specify the type you specify what functions the type support
< 1425825691 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like that
< 1425825881 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. for sum it would require that (+) :: a -> a -> a exists
< 1425825883 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zero :: a
< 1425825950 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think clean has single-function typeclasses like that
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< 1425826485 0 :MDream!?@? NICK :MDude
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< 1425826568 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Quit: have a nice day
< 1425827392 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
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< 1425829181 0 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:ad66:ebce:523:60f3 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1425831131 0 :TieSoul_!?@? NICK :TieSoul
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< 1425833868 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: isn't that sort of like duck typing?
< 1425833993 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck typing, the most pernicious type system of them all.
< 1425834013 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ABLUTED CHICKEN
< 1425834313 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ziqhiunnjylzadof QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1425834355 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kycfwqqzolepdlbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425834959 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425835785 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the Turtle RDF parser: http://sprunge.us/ZgKN Have you ever used any other Turtle RDF parsers at all?
< 1425836217 0 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1425836221 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-58-35.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write all of your complaints about it on here
< 1425836226 0 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_type_system
< 1425836814 0 :DAZ_fr!~DAZ@ANantes-651-1-163-104.w90-12.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425836829 0 :DAZ_fr!~DAZ@ANantes-651-1-163-104.w90-12.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all
< 1425836892 0 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425837074 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome DAZ_fr
< 1425837114 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13DAZ_fr: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06 Hmm, actually I'm not sure that will have a different effect from just sending 9? <-- i don't think you're supposed to send the later ones until you've confirmed the earlier ones didn't work, or something?
< 1425849675 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that's the same list of signals i saw mentioned somewhere earlier
< 1425849698 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just picked some other random numbers actually
< 1425849714 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 9 being the one processes cannot ignore, but which also gives them no chance to clean up
< 1425849769 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i think whoever wrote it said something to effect of "if you ever get this far, uninstall the program because it's broken"
< 1425849826 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, no sensible program should ignore all the previous ones
< 1425849898 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm not sure if i've mentioned this before, but surely a sensible OS would have some resources set away to ensure the OS is _always_ responsible to a user's attempt to kill programs.
< 1425849917 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not implying that sensible OSes actually exist)
< 1425849986 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it might be hard to ensure this in a system complicated enought to have a GUI
< 1425849992 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-t
< 1425850062 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i've been thinking about this recently after i had to reboot _hard_ because i stupidly did head (last [1::Int ..]) in ghci when responding to a stackoverflow question)
< 1425850075 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in afterthought, i never actually tried ^C
< 1425850161 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1425850203 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually switch over to tty and kill the process from there whenever something consumes enough memory for everything to grind to a halt
< 1425850211 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only tried to get winghci's abort command
< 1425850218 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this was windows
< 1425850239 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*abort button
< 1425850266 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose linux may have better ways
< 1425850308 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1425850402 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When firefox starts killing my computer, I have tried ctrl-alt-F1 but it doesn't respond
< 1425850440 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right i didn't try alt-f4 either
< 1425850451 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I have made an automated foxhunter
< 1425850457 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite possible i panicked too early :P
< 1425850691 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't X usually run on tty 1?
< 1425850711 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me at least
< 1425850715 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as far as I know
< 1425850737 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually I find X on screen 7
< 1425850752 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :While screens 1-6 are text screens
< 1425850910 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it moved to tty 1 for me in conjunction with Arch switching to systemd?
< 1425850983 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure
< 1425851162 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425851244 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me X is screen 7, screen 8 is black, and the rest are login prompts
< 1425851286 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi graue
< 1425851404 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott
< 1425851410 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new?
< 1425851412 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425851433 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not much :p
< 1425851543 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm setting up my raspberry pi for the first time in a year and a half. joined irc because it's one of the few things you can do to cure boredom on a text-only computer
< 1425851592 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(waiting for updates to install, etc)
< 1425851617 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425851642 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have probably been new interesting languages or something but I don't recall any
< 1425851671 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda want to play with Hev sometime, did you ever look at that one?
< 1425851694 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many programs that can run even in text-only mode
< 1425851734 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for sure, in fact Facebook's mobile site even works fine in w3m.
< 1425851875 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read the Hev spec once...
< 1425851892 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely get to the point of actually writing things in esolangs
< 1425851897 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes precedence explicit by having all operators be natural numbers
< 1425851906 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, but when you do, that's the fun part :)
< 1425852065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue!?
< 1425852248 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wherefore the interrobang?
< 1425852367 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1425852380 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he's spotted the rare and exotic graue
< 1425852579 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything, i think not being on irc much makes me less rare and exotic :D
< 1425852589 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all are the rare and exotic ones
< 1425852657 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't not being around much the definition of rare :p
< 1425852921 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rare means the steak isn't cooked properly because you're trying to be fancy
< 1425853060 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren understands
< 1425853231 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so graue is like an undercooked steak
< 1425853257 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rare is too much cooked. blue or nothing.
< 1425853303 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly i just gnaw on the cow directly. nothing else is good enough for me
< 1425853309 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably while it's still alive
< 1425853311 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I program the proper way to resolve a relative URI into absolute by use of a C code?
< 1425853339 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought that was "bloody"
< 1425854089 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares at elliott
< 1425854097 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-3-
< 1425854362 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn pyloctomy
< 1425854364 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "pyloctomy".
< 1425854370 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1425854393 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fancy
< 1425854524 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :divide et pecte
< 1425854812 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tetraphelloctomy. why are you staring at elliott?
< 1425854975 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncouth eating habits hth
< 1425855127 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :staring at elliott drains his lifeforce???
< 1425855148 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, elliott has uncouth eating habits hth
< 1425855213 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth = happy to hallucinate?
< 1425855220 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`
< 1425855224 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1425855228 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth
< 1425855238 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous.
< 1425855238 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1425855817 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: what are your approximate coördinates, and body weigh? what is your favourite bagel style?
< 1425856176 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: 37N 122W, ~1e2 lbs, whole wheat with sesame seeds, you?
< 1425856340 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, another Westcoastian!
< 1425856370 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Montréal, ~1.5e2 lbs, Montréal style with poppyseeds.
< 1425856421 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had my first Montreal style bagel last week... place in Oakland people have been raving about, started by transplants, apparently
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< 1425856904 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read about Montreal style bagels, but since I don't live there, I didn't eat it
< 1425857356 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds tasty, maybe I should bake some bagles
< 1425857503 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: How high is your elevation from the Earth though?
< 1425857686 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esoteric survey just keep getting harder
< 1425857690 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s
< 1425858433 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY THE HELL DOES OPENGL NOT COMPUTE ITS OWN DAMN NORMALS?!?!!??
< 1425858470 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAA
< 1425858580 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE OPENGL IS BORKEN BEYOND ALL RECOGNISABLE REPAIR hth
< 1425858752 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mistake is coding in opengl
< 1425859022 0 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1425859033 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, but this is an assignment. Well, screw it it's not well done but I did it. Handing in, it won't get marked anyway cuz the TA's are on strike.
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< 1425859289 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tetrapyloctomy means to split a hair four ways
< 1425859290 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw
< 1425859443 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most important thing to be happy at school is once something is handed in, to wash your hands of it.
< 1425859477 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the feeling of a well placed and deserved "it's not my problem anymore" is cathartic.
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< 1425859532 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, it's time to understand my mattress and engage in a long conversation with it.
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< 1425860452 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1425860752 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :deleterious means harmful or sestructive
< 1425860758 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ses/des
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< 1425861430 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it ever possible for a relative URI when used with a base URI to result in the absolute URI which is longer than the sum of the relative and base?
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< 1425861914 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Screaches
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< 1425861993 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a word hth
< 1425862016 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screeches?
< 1425862017 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the details, but I assume not
< 1425862049 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a word hth
< 1425862125 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, to absolutify, the algorithm I learned was something like: if it begins with // it replaces eveything from http:// on. if it beigns with / it replaces everything from .com/ on. otherwise you just concatenate it to rhe base url
< 1425862212 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So http://foo.com/bar/ + foo.html -> http://foo.com/bar/foo.html
< 1425862220 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So http://foo.com/bar/ + /foo.html -> http://foo.com/foo.html
< 1425862230 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if it starts with // it replaces everything after the first colon; it isn't necessarily http: but could be https: or ftp: or something else
< 1425862245 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1425862273 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So i think the result will always be the length of concatenation, or less
< 1425862297 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I thought
< 1425862348 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, there are a few more things to consider, such as # and ? and /../ and stuff but I don't think any of those will make it longer than the concatenation
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< 1425862410 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing a Turtle parser, so I would need to know these things. (At first I did it with a oversimplified URI resolution but now I am fixing it to do it properly.)
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< 1425865894 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: What is that?
< 1425866416 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He put a so I put a .
< 1425866472 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode
< 1425866513 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+3000 IDEOGRAPHIC SPACE]
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< 1425870242 0 :graue!~pi@104-244-24-241.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my elevation is 450ft, how about yours?
< 1425870275 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: I don't know
< 1425870504 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is actually in a secret underwater dome
< 1425870598 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How do you believe that? Is it because I didn't figure my elevation yet?
< 1425870606 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's about 100ft here.
< 1425870609 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a valid excuse.
< 1425870647 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yep
< 1425870687 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe 60.
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< 1425888965 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reads topic*...So, we're still fungot-less?
< 1425889005 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1425889032 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnordbot, how does that make you feel?
< 1425889033 0 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: began to sink downward and to everyone else out there, the secret." to the great question... you see," he was saying, " magrathea is a myth, a fairy story, it's what parents tell their kids at school nicknamed him ix, which in the language. ford shouted out, " hey listen! i think we've got a deal," he was saying, " magrathea is a myth, a fairy story, it's what parents tell their kids at school nicknamed him ix, which in
< 1425889220 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc23-aztw23-2-0-cust48.aztw.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm thinking there should be a model compiler not based upon text analysis. Or better, a component of Fungot that logs to a file, plus a command to "merge" the log into the model...
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< 1425889313 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj, one of my friends has a bot that I think works like that in another channel
< 1425889324 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can imitate channelgoers on request
< 1425889531 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that fizzie would be excited about patches.
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< 1425910097 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1425910103 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't been here for a year, wow
< 1425910115 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi asiekierka!
< 1425910125 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you remember me!
< 1425910134 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the last time i had been here, i moved on to develop Minecraft mods
< 1425910138 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and become the maintainer of the BuildCraft mod
< 1425910142 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, in fact, i come here with a quest
< 1425910151 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i'm going to be working on an addon to it that adds low-tech computing
< 1425910164 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking for a language, esoteric or not, that would feel retro but be approachable (quirky is fine, though)
< 1425910166 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. i think this channel has been out of its minecraft period for a while.
< 1425910180 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people have
< 1425910189 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but vanilla minecraft and modded minecraft are just about as similar as java and scala
< 1425910235 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well FORTRAN, COBOL and BASIC come to mind
< 1425910256 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL and approachable aren't exactly
< 1425910257 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :old-style BASIC
< 1425910264 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's a good idea for an april fools version of the mod
< 1425910290 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, feel retro != actually be retro
< 1425910306 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is some retro esolang
< 1425910315 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :retro in this case probably means simple, the rest can be done with green phosphors and floppy disks
< 1425910325 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple in terms of rule/function set, not necessairly usage
< 1425910329 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that punchcard thing, although that may not be approachable
< 1425910359 0 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-mmpzriwjhnhinjkl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1425910450 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki is slow as usual
< 1425910492 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: you could try FORTE it looks like BASIC but is completely insane
< 1425910529 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/SYCPOL is the punchcard one
< 1425910549 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTE is funny
< 1425910567 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh SYCPOL would have been a good one to tell graue about when he was here yesterday
< 1425910574 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yep
< 1425910694 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :an idea i got
< 1425910699 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of using floppies, use punch cards
< 1425910709 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you craft punch cards into punchcard stacks to raise your maximum program length
< 1425910734 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1425910794 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, a buildcraft maintainer here? Really?
< 1425910797 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yes
< 1425910803 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/BuildCraft/BuildCraft/commits/6.5.x
< 1425910808 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took over after literally the whole team quit
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< 1425910816 0 :vifino!vifino@tty.sh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? asie is here? Blew my mind.
< 1425910833 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(first SpaceToad left, then Sengir left, then CovertJaguar started being slow, then SpaceToad came back, then SpaceToad made CovertJaguar quit, then SpaceToad left again, making the team count 0)
< 1425910840 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I asked SpaceToad and as we worked together before he let me take over the whole thing)
< 1425910869 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I took over 5 months ago and it had been crazy - the codebase was an utter mess, 3 networking systems in one mod (!), nobody bothered to clean it up and bugs trumped other bugs)
< 1425910885 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the first 2 months alone i got 130 bugs reported and fixed, working alone save for a few PRs)
< 1425910918 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive
< 1425910924 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i'm working on BuildCraft 7
< 1425910930 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main change being we're finally re-doing the textures
< 1425910949 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :as modded Minecraft players know, BuildCraft is known for not giving into power creep, having the best automation capabilites and the second worst textures in the Minecraft world
< 1425910959 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to stop thinking of you as the "youngest guy in channel" :P
< 1425910965 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 18 now
< 1425910975 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i joined here when i was 12 or 13 i think?
< 1425910984 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 i think
< 1425910993 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows
< 1425910996 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been ages
< 1425911000 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the number i vaguely remember, anyway
< 1425911003 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, i'm maintaining BuildCraft now...
< 1425911008 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: out of curiosity, what is the last BC version you playeD?
< 1425911013 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or do you still play it?)
< 1425911100 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally, the previous "low-tech computer mod" (that is, one which didn't use Lua), RedPower 2's Computers, used FORTH
< 1425911116 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: Let me look. I’ve not been playing minecraft very recently, not enough time and another game took precedence.
< 1425911120 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a custom, highly propiertary and originally undocumented 6502 extension called the 65EL02
< 1425911123 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: MC version?
< 1425911144 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next one, NedoComputers, used a small modification of the J1 FORTH CPU, but that mod is abandoned and highly unstable
< 1425911331 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: Direwolf20 pack for Minecraft 1.7.10, with BuildCraft 6.1.7, apparently. I’d never been much of a fan of BuildCraft for a while, using it only for a few little jobs that apparently no other mod in the pack could do.
< 1425911335 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1425911342 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BuildCraft 6.1.7 is actually 2 weeks after I took it over
< 1425911350 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :since then, i fixed pretty much every major bug we could find
< 1425911352 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many minor ones
< 1425911363 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, BuildCraft has really taken the drain in late 2013 and early 2014
< 1425911365 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to fix that
< 1425911372 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have any ideas, ping me
< 1425911419 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, someone suggested I go with a minimized version of Befunge
< 1425911425 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and create a two-dimensional program editor
< 1425911522 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge has a lot of commands
< 1425911716 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don’t know. I get the impression that BuildCraft is supposed to be a complete, closed system, but this fails because parts of it are eclipsed by other mods making them more convenient, until only a few disconnected pieces seem useful.
< 1425911810 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge seems a bit inconvenient
< 1425911823 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess Minecraft would make for a cool environment to edit trefunge programs in?
< 1425911842 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, 3D grids are kinda native to MC.
< 1425912014 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: i'm working on that
< 1425912023 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: That sounds interesting. Write a trefunge mod, where you have computers that warp you into their memory (a dimension) to write the program. Make sure to bring an angel block from Extra Utilities when you do.
< 1425912027 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :first of all, BuildCraft got robots which are essentially small, gate-controllable, single-task flying entities
< 1425912035 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can replace a lot of MFR
< 1425912046 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :second, Forestry and RailCraft still fit very well with BC, supplanting it in the processing/power area
< 1425912064 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I plan to write BC addons to increase the amount of things that fit very well with BC, eventually making a real ecosystem of its own
< 1425912071 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pretty much haven't played modded MC at all
< 1425912077 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably try out BuildCraft, it sounds fun
< 1425912078 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, in general, most popular modpacks are not BC-friendly really
< 1425912088 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is that other mods eclipse them *and* provide more power
< 1425912127 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the eternal fight between simplicity from complexity (that is, complex code providing a simple UI - ender io, applied energistics, etc.)
< 1425912140 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and complexity from simplicity (a simple set of rules allowing complex interactions - buildcraft, logistics pipes, forestry, railcraft, etc.)
< 1425912158 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first is always more beneficial to the user with the exception of the small minority of people who enjoy engineering
< 1425912163 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the second provides for more fun gameplay IMO
< 1425912180 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think something like Forth would fit Minecraft
< 1425912183 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTH is what RP2 did
< 1425912186 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but many people hate FORTH
< 1425912188 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like FORTH personally
< 1425912193 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most people say that I should either do a BASIC or a Lisp
< 1425912197 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that in both cases they don't know what they're asking for
< 1425912224 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lisp would be fun, too, but I don't think that would be as approachable
< 1425912231 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1425912242 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea was to just do some kind of RISC CPU architecture
< 1425912252 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Actually
< 1425912256 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC the RP2 forth was only what was on the default disk.
< 1425912257 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let users write their own EEPROMs, allowing them to be created with BC
< 1425912262 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have an UI for that
< 1425912267 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :other mods could provide their own alternatives to the default FORTH ROM
< 1425912270 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could perhaps use DCPU-16?
< 1425912295 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conisdering 0x10c is vaporware anyway, I don't think notch would mind
< 1425912302 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>ω>.
< 1425912334 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: DCPU-16 is a horrid architecture in many ways
< 1425912339 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recreate 0x10c in Minecraft. >ω>
< 1425912348 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's approachable but it has a problem of many approachable things, and MC mods
< 1425912353 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-Re
< 1425912356 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you do the easy stuff very easily
< 1425912359 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hard stuff with high difficulty
< 1425912372 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose
< 1425912373 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, i do want to make a proper terminal GPU
< 1425912376 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :with palettes and etc
< 1425912530 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with the complexity from simplicity type is the resolution of the Minecraft world.
< 1425912547 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it really a problem?
< 1425912552 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see people use mods such as BuildCraft very effectively
< 1425912563 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contraptions for doing useful things invariably become too large to hide in the walls.
< 1425912570 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with large buildings?
< 1425912577 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, BC is also doing things to help that
< 1425912587 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BC 6.1 brought sided gates so you can have up to 6 gates on a single pipe, up from the previous limit of 1
< 1425912678 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the resolution limitations makes it more interesting
< 1425912697 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that
< 1425912703 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1425912705 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forge MultiPart is a mod which lets you place multiple blocks on a single pipe
< 1425912708 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am very much against that
< 1425912711 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes for micropart pipes that can fit multiple in a block and additionally share the space with other mods. Glares at EnderIO.
< 1425912725 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I refuse to accept that
< 1425912733 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, someone was working on a mod which adds FMP support to BuildCraft.
< 1425912739 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :amadornes, I believe
< 1425912742 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't really know what a pipe is in this context
< 1425912750 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads BC..
< 1425912771 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://southstormhosting.com/images/Untitled.png
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< 1425912789 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an example of pipes
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< 1425913881 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: Gates, pipe wire, and facades are, in my book, microparts except lacking interoperability.
< 1425913905 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :gates can't possibly work on other blocks
< 1425913911 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :facades are supported by AE2 and maybe soon thermal dynamics
< 1425913913 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pipe wire same
< 1425913916 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't work on other blocks
< 1425914329 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also happen to like Forth, and believe it ought to be included in ROM of any computer and allow you to access it
< 1425914419 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :asie: My point was that you said you were against being able to place multiple things on a single pipe, and yet just previously you seemed happy about sided gates, which I would have classified as just that.
< 1425914464 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: in a single block space moreso
< 1425914468 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :because often that requires complex code
< 1425914472 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and might cause design issues
< 1425914580 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm against being able to do things like place five pipes on one block
< 1425914591 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :because too much in my opinion is too much and infinite compactization is not that good
< 1425914820 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, but that’s EnderIO-specific, which is incompatible with Forge MultiPart, which you seemed to be complaining about.
< 1425914841 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. It's hard to explain
< 1425914848 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :My primary complaint is that modern mods try to simplify and miniaturize everything.
< 1425914896 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :BuildCraft is one of the few mods which try to stay core to its roots all the way since beta
< 1425914901 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :MFR went in a different direction, so did IC2
< 1425914911 0 :asie!~asie@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThaumCraft too... many other mods simply died out
< 1425915241 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
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< 1425930112 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not that good at magic
< 1425930125 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By magic I mean M:tG, not the other kind
< 1425930131 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the other other kind
< 1425930176 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of which I'm not very good at either
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< 1425933692 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask int-e have you also been missing a fraction of the recent trac mail Cc:s from https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9858 ?
< 1425933692 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1425933736 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least there are enough to remind me to check the page, but then i wonder what _other_ tickets i might have missed Cc:s from.
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< 1425934937 0 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :web.steam_roller: points -30.52, score 4.21, rank 47/47
< 1425935062 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity!
< 1425935089 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a little unsuccessful
< 1425935095 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1425935095 0 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information.
< 1425935152 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it was a naive (>)*20+[[-]>+]
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< 1425935685 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, that thing isn't broken?
< 1425935719 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not entirely at least...
< 1425935730 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy.
< 1425935767 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you expect it to be?
< 1425935816 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I haven't been paying any attention to it. And things generally tend to break.
< 1425935830 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1425935834 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the Ruby (and matrix lib) update actually fixed the scoring problems though.
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< 1425935855 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, time to go again.
< 1425935905 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it put that program on the bottom as expected
< 1425937082 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't get emails for comments 63 (the commit), 65, 67 and 68...
< 1425937131 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION too late realized he shouldn't have deleted the emails he _did_ get before checking this...
< 1425937138 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( SLEEPY DUCK )
< 1425937246 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i got 61, 63. i did get 64. i don't _think_ i got 65 and am pretty sure i didn't get 67.
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< 1425937348 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about 62 or 66, 68 and 70. i'm sure i got 69.
< 1425937355 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm i should still have the last one
< 1425937377 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i did get 70.
< 1425937392 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my vague memory is pretty consistent with us missing the same messages.
< 1425937466 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a pipermail archive, i'll check that
< 1425937766 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the archive isn't missing any messages.
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< 1425939238 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Esseks 5* 10New user account
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< 1425945469 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do
< 1425945535 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they cause the rest of irc lines to become invisible hth
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< 1425946989 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1425947001 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that ex
< 1425947006 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh
< 1425947024 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw
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< 1425949685 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42104&oldid=42072 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+29) 10
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< 1425952784 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out now that the URI of a UUID is "urn:uuid:" followed by the UUID in lowercase
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< 1425953238 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1425953247 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's new
< 1425953369 0 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for sharing your knowledge zzo38
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< 1425954900 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it cheaper to buy one large SD card or several smaller ones?
< 1425955058 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, price seems to be linear with the data size
< 1425955111 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, it's not linear. WTF
< 1425955186 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :64GB=70$ 32GB=17$ 16GB=10$
< 1425955219 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess the best deal is at 32gb sdcards?
< 1425955227 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, i think you can find cheaper SD cards than that
< 1425955247 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, check the data rate and such too, I guess
< 1425955257 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is on futureshop.ca... maybe if I go to koreatown
< 1425955272 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have any price comparison sites over there?
< 1425955338 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be able to find 64GB SDXC cards for ~300 SEK ≈ 35 USD
< 1425955383 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I see... walmart has much better prices
< 1425955500 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As said, not all SD cards are equal from a performance point of view.
< 1425955548 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think i need high speed, this is just to put in my mp3 player
< 1425955654 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "class 10" mean?
< 1425955710 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see, it means the same as 100x CD drive
< 1425955745 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that
< 1425955811 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 MB/s, or some such. Though it can get confusing.
< 1425955848 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like UHS class 1 is regular class 10 or something.
< 1425955933 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some cards probably still have those "133x"-style numbers related to nominal CD drive speeds.
< 1425956101 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it seems there's little benefit to getting multiple smaller sd cards
< 1425956186 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll just get one 64GB one
< 1425956198 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually the GB/$ curve has a peak somewhere in the middle.
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< 1425958890 0 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The newer generation rival sata 3 drives!
< 1425958940 0 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is apparently fast
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< 1425959553 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Suppose a genetic algorithm had its mutations driven by a neural network.
< 1425959934 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you have two buzzwords
< 1425960870 0 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reverse sounds like the more obvious arrangment.
< 1425960947 0 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't see why reversing them wouldn't be interesting.
< 1425961076 0 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you mean a genetic algorithm where the fitness is determined by the output of a neural network that analyses the candidates using its own learning criteria?
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< 1425961781 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: yeah that is what i was thinking
< 1425961807 0 :oren!~oren@TOROON0949W-LP130-04-1096704252.dsl.bell.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but that also factored in
< 1425961925 0 :MDude!~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds nice, though that depends on it being made to do a cool thing. What kind of things would you have it do?
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< 1425964330 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher doesn't have the problem of needing to program the files on the server for different kind of devices, user interfaces, etc; it already is suitable for any kind of interface and was ever since it was invented. (This includes keyboard, mouse, printing terminal, hand-held, touch-screen, game-system, and even by fax where you have to fill in the circles by pencil)
< 1425964399 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet, a lot of people won't use it. You have to learn to write a gopher server, gopher client, and also to set up the server
< 1425965109 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phase In {1U} Instant :: Phase in all cards that are currently phased out. :: Cycling {2}
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< 1425970487 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new kind of Limited format of Magic: the Gathering could be, each player gets ten additional cards, the same set of ten cards each player, those cards must be used in each player's deck and cannot be placed into the sideboard before the game starts. These cards are selected at random from everything. After that then you do draft or sealed, and can choose which of those cards to include and exclude and to add basic lands.
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< 1425972741 0 :asie!~asie@apn-95-40-70-227.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1425987440 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Damian Yerrick 5* 10New user account
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< 1425987615 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07C-14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42106&oldid=31176 5* 03Damian Yerrick 5* (+158) 10Not to be confused with real C--
< 1425987717 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is C-- still a thing?
< 1425987807 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real C--, complex C++
< 1425987821 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :People should just use BCPL
< 1425987824 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we all be good
< 1425988287 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :D is imaginary.
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< 1425989437 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, C-- is an intermediate language GHC uses
< 1425989471 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not surprising.
< 1425989477 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since SPJ is involved in it :)
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< 1425990211 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there LISP editors with scaling parantheses?
< 1425991175 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. the outermost parantheses will be largest and possibly span multiple lines)
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< 1425994348 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is C-- still a thing? <-- it basically lost to llvm
< 1425994400 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is probably only used in ghc, ironically often with an llvm backend.
< 1425995179 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write llvm code directly
< 1425995180 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1425995200 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it binary?
< 1425995219 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's both
< 1425995246 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42107&oldid=42105 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+104) 10/* Program flow */
< 1425995258 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know llvm
< 1425995284 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :define i32 @main(i32 %argc, i8** %argv) nounwind {
< 1425995296 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i recall some haskell-related talk about whether to use the binary api or the written representation
< 1425995296 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks cool to me.
< 1425995364 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i vaguely recall that the binary api is recommended if you're generating it by program
< 1425995719 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reading docs* ohhh, no-unwind, not noun-wind!
< 1425995746 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nounwind the reverbs
< 1425995872 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can tell it to use any number of bits for an integer
< 1425995935 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ialeph2
< 1425995969 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe i'll start writing in this instead of C
< 1425996934 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not cross-platform.
< 1425996941 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance ABI.
< 1425997545 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it cross-platform to all x86-64?
< 1425997559 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1425997564 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually probably not
< 1425997578 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since win64 and linux differ on calling conventions, but then it's not OS-portable either
< 1425997589 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww boo...
< 1425997592 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe you could write OS-portable LLVM IR if you really tried but it sounds hard
< 1425997606 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, since ABI
< 1425997617 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZSNES is written in cross platform assembly somehow
< 1425997630 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy mofos
< 1425997883 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they could use their own call convention for internal calls?
< 1425997902 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely
< 1425997905 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of ifdefs for portability
< 1425997935 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, LLVM is SSA, it's not very human-writable :p
< 1425997949 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm what does the CLR run on?
< 1425998008 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right it runs on CIL
< 1425998066 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIL looks a lotmore writable
< 1425998229 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it is still an assembly language. But it has first-class string type
< 1425998254 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also totally different to LLVM
< 1425998263 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM is for generating compiled, optimised native code, usually
< 1425998264 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLR is a VM
< 1425998274 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM is a compiler backend/intermediate language, not really a VM any more
< 1425998285 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it ever was)
< 1425998288 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you not compile CLR though?
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< 1425998338 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, of course you can, I have exe's that i compiled from C#.
< 1425998472 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless C# exes are internally just bytecode?
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< 1425999151 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can do either jit compilation or compile to a native exe ahead of time.
< 1425999328 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# .exes are just CLR yes
< 1425999341 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some kind of CIL compiler though maybe I think. it might be new?
< 1425999345 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*native compiler
< 1425999349 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42108&oldid=42107 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+2128) 10/* Constants */
< 1425999352 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the VM is still at a higher-level to LLVM, by far.
< 1425999357 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM doesn't know about objects or even heap allocation.
< 1425999421 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Burlesque14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42109&oldid=42103 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+121) 10Now categories on the other hand
< 1426000823 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, C by itself technically doesn't know about the heap either
< 1426000853 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ does though
< 1426000872 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
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< 1426001474 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, apparently you can just load your own version of the new operatorif you're psycho enough
< 1426001622 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can run C# .exes in mono as long as they don't make use of windows-specific APIs (Windows Forms does work)
< 1426002163 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: C++ doesn't know about the heap specifically, although it has a more detailed memory model
< 1426002176 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ tends to do everything better than C these days
< 1426002453 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: have they abandoned bugward compatibility to C yet?
< 1426002639 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: yes
< 1426002659 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they haven't changed the major misfeatures of C which have been baked into the language, but on small things, they've broken it
< 1426002677 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they only give the slightest damn what the C committee thinks these days
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< 1426002890 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xcode backdoors
< 1426002890 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot
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< 1426007628 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, that's scary. Someone just pointed out to me that I can't look at a word without reading it.
< 1426007767 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be a matter of choosing the proper script for the task.
< 1426007777 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist
< 1426007814 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1426007816 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: this works for me, for example: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%A6%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A9
< 1426007846 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point
< 1426008043 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which implies that i'm slowly losing my ability to look at a chinese character without reading it, as i gain the ability to read them
< 1426008124 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's a fun one.
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< 1426012042 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new macbook has only one USB-C port on the whole thing.... what the actual fuck?
< 1426012098 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$19 adapter to get a normal usb port on the damn thing
< 1426012114 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, admittedly it looks very clean
< 1426012137 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your phone probably only has a micro-USB slot
< 1426012150 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't own a phone
< 1426012154 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1426012178 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(only) (has)/\2 \1/
< 1426012199 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the macbook have a headphone jack even?
< 1426012209 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea
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< 1426012298 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look like it does. There. They just killed it
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< 1426012448 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it has one, but none of their pictures showed it
< 1426013039 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What surprised me was the whole thing where you charge it through that single USB type C port, too.
< 1426013072 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they had some kind of an adapter so that you could charge it while still having a USB device connected?
< 1426013126 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This work laptop has a nonstandandard mini-connector for Ethernet.
< 1426013169 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a dongle to stick in a regular cable. But the dongle is not a regular USB-to-Ethernet thing, it's just an adapter for the custom connector.
< 1426013194 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it's slightly smaller than a USB port, so I guess it saves space over having a third USB port.
< 1426013221 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's got two regular USB 3's.)
< 1426013258 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specs page lists the Ethernet port as a "Ethernet Extension Connection".
< 1426013310 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a mini-DP and a full-size HDMI, so I guess for an "ultrabook" this thing is relatively okay.
< 1426013327 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The keyboard is ridiculous, though.
< 1426013370 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use a usb keyboard and a usb mouse when i use my computer at a desk
< 1426013412 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, on my previous laptop that was necessary. this one has a fullsize keyboard)
< 1426013434 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I use the same setup out of habit
< 1426013465 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing is just weird. Caps lock and backspace have been split in the middle (with no gap, just a sort of a bevel thing) into a Home/End and backspace/delete bi-keys.
< 1426013520 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut?
< 1426013559 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the function key row is a strip of some sort of touch-sensitive material, and touching the leftmost edge swaps between showing F1..F12 (plus four random special symbols) and showing more special stuff (bridgness, volume, some symbols I have no idea what they mean).
< 1426013611 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, there's a single symbol that has a camera and a hand and some extra "motion" lines for the hand. So it's the "wave hand at camera" button.
< 1426013623 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF
< 1426013651 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen some cray keyboards but nothing like that
< 1426013697 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is the "cut" symbol, and then there's a cloud, and then there's a "speaking" icon (face and "sound waves" from the mouth).
< 1426013709 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of these result in any events as seen by xev.
< 1426013720 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt they've really had Linux in mind for this thing.
< 1426013749 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend has this monstrous 20" abomination that has a light-up volume slider thing and a fingerprint password thing
< 1426013777 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a fingerprint sensor next to the keyboard on this too.
< 1426013792 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, this thing is the Lenovo "X1 Carbon" ThinkPad.
< 1426013816 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I seem to recall they had two separate hardware revisions, and maybe the keyboard in the first one was less weird or something.
< 1426013826 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :All reviews about this thing I've seen have mostly complained about the keyboard.
< 1426013853 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah my friend's laptop is also a lenovo of some sort
< 1426013856 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's pretty nice as far as regular typing and such goes. The touch-panel for the function keys lacks any feel, of course.
< 1426013898 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... maybe it's an asus?
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< 1426014507 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I looked up the laptop, looks like the newest version has a more normal keyboard
< 1426014704 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FP: "the new macbook has only 8GB of RAM" Me: "only? ONLY?"
< 1426014946 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, this one has only 8GB too.
< 1426014963 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: split caps lock actually sounds like a neat idea... I mean, it's not as if its original function is any useful, and if you're going to replace it you might as well stick two keys there instead of just one
< 1426015001 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It's possibly not a bad idea for anyone who had been keeping it as a caps lock and never pressing it.
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< 1426015019 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: If you've done the popular thing and swapped ctrl/capslock, it's probably somewhat confusing.
< 1426015038 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ctrl/esc on my caps lock
< 1426015071 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't mind being able to put another modifier on the left half of the caps lock (since it's the right half I tend to reach for the ctrl/esc functionality)
< 1426015074 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that one of the "modifier when pressed with something, esc when pressed alone" kind of thing?
< 1426015081 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup
< 1426015133 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This keyboard also moves esc down from the function row, so that it's right next to '1'.
< 1426015194 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the key formerly next to 1 (which is §/½ in the Finnish keymap, and not-and-broken-bar or some-such in UK) is between altgr and ctrl on the right side of the spacebar, the place where you'd normally find a menu key and maybe a right Windows key.
< 1426015213 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no menu key in this thing at all, which I mind a little, since I've used that as compose.
< 1426015353 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I’m the only one who thinks replacing capslock with level3shift is the best thing.
< 1426015362 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :An image is worth a kiloword, so https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4J9OAzXNfZAejVOUmt5eVpQZkk/view
< 1426015388 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm here in Mountain View anyway, I went to the Computer History Museum on Sunday.
< 1426015413 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one of those Lisp machines with the Symbolics six-modifier keyboards there.
< 1426015435 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Control, shift, symbol, meta, super and hyper.)
< 1426015507 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks. Has control, shift, level3shift, level5shift, alt, super.
< 1426015585 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a Connection Machine cube, but it's pretty boring with no leds lit.
< 1426015680 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's the working Difference Engine No. 2. They've also got one back in London, but I don't think they show people how it runs.
< 1426015703 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do those home|end and ⌫|delete keys send the codes one would expect from the keys with the same engraving on a more usual keyboard?
< 1426015722 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: As far as I can tell, yes. At least they worked out of the box.
< 1426015766 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. >ω> So every other layout has to be tweaked to work right on it.
< 1426015802 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on what you mean by "right". I mean, if you want them to do what they say they do...
< 1426015831 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a boring unmodified "setxkbmap fi nodeadkeys" on this. But I don't use the laptop all that much either.
< 1426015923 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it’s not as bad as some.
< 1426015971 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my rgular input, I am using a custom IME with ` mapped to a whole bunch of shortcuts
< 1426016049 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝔣𝔯𝔞𝔠𝔱𝔲𝔯
< 1426016108 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why, if laptop vendors are fine with sticking the keypad into the main block + fn, they don’t do so with the rest of the stuff outside the main block.
< 1426016269 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because volume control and opening a browser with the vendor's homepage are important features?
< 1426016283 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I made up the latter, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a real thing.)
< 1426016403 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: The "adaptive keys" in this thing are supposed to have five modes: home mode, web-browser mode, web-conference mode, function mode and lay-flat mode.
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< 1426016414 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven’t ever seen them fill up the left side of the keyboard with that.
< 1426016424 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to get to all those modes, the toggle-mode switch on Linux just toggles between two.
< 1426016460 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The home mode and the function mode, apparently.
< 1426016535 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. The cloud key "opens the predefined cloud application".
< 1426016573 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the butt key opens the predefined butt application
< 1426016901 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, my computer has mostly useful buttons. My external keyboard, however, has a full range of useless keys from calculator to five "multimedia keys"
< 1426016995 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is bfjoust still a thing? or did that finally die?
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< 1426017086 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zemhill
< 1426017121 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zemhill is on the channel
< 1426017141 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it still popular?
< 1426017165 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idono
< 1426017177 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll assume it's not
< 1426017233 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: if "multimedia keys" means volume control, I would say that's actually useful
< 1426017273 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it means pause, play, stop, forward and back.
< 1426017280 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1426017309 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the volume control knob isn't a key and is useful
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< 1426017415 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should map these keys to useful things. like opening a new terminal
< 1426017474 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the multimedia keys could be useful if they switched windows around
< 1426017592 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find media control to be pretty useful, although I don't have any dedicated keys for it (and even if I did, I probably wouldn't use them) so I have mapped play/pause, prev, next to win+alt+(h,t,n) instead
< 1426017629 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: BFJousting usually happens in waves. It's not popular now, but it might well be again in the future.
< 1426017648 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: makes sense
< 1426017650 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would have something similar if he ever figured out an easy reliable way to do it.
< 1426017654 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly when I play music I just put on a 5-12 hour youtube videos, so the media keys don't even work
< 1426017661 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's happened several times already. There's a brief (a week or two) boom, and then things die down again.
< 1426017728 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: to do what?
< 1426017749 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Media control.
< 1426017800 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1426017846 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bind the keys to `mpc toggle`, `mpc prev`, `mpc next` using xbindkeys
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< 1426017990 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t use mpd; I’d want it to affect rhythmbox and vlc, depending on if vlc is running.
< 1426018029 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, maybe you could come up with something using dbus
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< 1426018090 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there’s a protocol there, but I never got around to using it.
< 1426018121 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did actually manage to make volume keys work, which is a separate issue.
< 1426018163 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don’t have them on my keyboard, but my headset sends appropriate keyboard events.)
< 1426018568 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made volume keys work the other day as XMonad bindings.
< 1426018599 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is in fact how I did it too.
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< 1426018850 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly ping Gregor just in case
< 1426018853 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s
< 1426019039 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `olist <-- thanks although ideally you should include the number hth
< 1426019133 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops bad move gnomes
< 1426019233 0 :BlueProtoman!~BlueProto@130.245.243.194 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426019248 0 :BlueProtoman!~BlueProto@130.245.243.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like running a strange and obscure operating system for some reason. Any ideas? In fact, are esoteric operating systems even a thing?
< 1426019286 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :temple OS hth
< 1426019301 0 :BlueProtoman!~BlueProto@130.245.243.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Beat you to it, someone suggested it in another channel
< 1426019325 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :other thoughts: oberon or plan 9
< 1426019336 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't tried any of those personally, mind you
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< 1426019512 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are esoteric operating systems even a thing?" Well #osdev is a thing
< 1426019518 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can probably find some esoteric OSes there
< 1426019550 0 :BlueProtoman!~BlueProto@130.245.243.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Already there
< 1426019554 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1426019766 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obscure operating systems are certainly a thing people do.
< 1426019822 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's http://dangermouse.net/esoteric/pavlov.html
< 1426019838 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dangermouse.net/esoteric/petrovich.html rather
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< 1426019862 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that explains why it didn't ring a bell
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< 1426019972 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon it's just "Fr", and then "F", and then "".
< 1426020004 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect some of those may not be available
< 1426020016 0 :oerjan!?@? NICK :Fr
< 1426020022 0 :Fr!?@? NICK :F
< 1426020029 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1426020031 0 :F!?@? NICK :oerjan
< 1426020041 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you at least got some "has been registered" messages?
< 1426020043 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :both registered
< 1426020053 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them protected
< 1426020078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426020116 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1426020145 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426020158 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1426020193 0 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426020204 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426020229 0 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1426020274 0 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426020427 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1426020459 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426020493 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1426020522 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frooxius: you're gradually approaching a #fixyourconnection ban hth
< 1426020555 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if i can remember the actual syntax)
< 1426020557 0 :Froo!~Frooxius@c-73-222-15-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1426020725 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't help that i cannot seem to google it
< 1426020728 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :+b nick!user@host$#channel. Or possibly ##channel.
< 1426020742 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's the precise channel i'm trying to google
< 1426020747 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay.
< 1426020761 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :##c uses ##stop_join_flood.
< 1426020785 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know it's not the only similar channel.)
< 1426020814 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it seems to be ##fixyourconnection
< 1426021300 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-115.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426021337 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-115.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1426021337 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426021944 0 :mihow!~mihow@108.30.58.169 QUIT :Quit: mihow
< 1426022052 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"annoying oerjan"
< 1426022052 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426022175 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426022444 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1426023377 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wait what
< 1426023433 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1426023485 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trac still molasses, well it should be fixed soon since i saw spj complain >:)
< 1426023486 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a gerund, not an adjective.
< 1426023502 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't interpret it any other way
< 1426023521 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just didn't connect it with the ##fixyourconnection discussion at first
< 1426023570 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh it actually timed out
< 1426023573 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how appropriate.
< 1426023598 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/connect/*connect*/g for emphasis)
< 1426023615 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1426023645 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured.
< 1426023650 0 :BlueProtoman!~BlueProto@130.245.243.194 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1426023716 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426023755 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly starst wondering what fmnssun means
< 1426023759 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ts
< 1426025412 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f minus sun? ~
< 1426025573 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnrh
< 1426025876 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does not really help?
< 1426025945 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're getting the hang of this!
< 1426027365 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426027468 0 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1426028450 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgthot
< 1426028491 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgthot? what's a sgthot twh plzkthx
< 1426028544 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still getting the hang of this hth
< 1426028614 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o. s i i. tdh. t.
< 1426028630 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1426028630 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, hellørjan, because traditions.)
< 1426028641 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Jafellot btw!)
< 1426028643 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who isn't Sgt Cool
< 1426028659 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh.
< 1426028671 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :belloily
< 1426028708 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just acronymize to swisc and it'll all be clear (tsial)
< 1426028733 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tpsial
< 1426028736 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWISs Cheese?
< 1426028759 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Psong Sof Ice And Lire?
< 1426028782 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1426028858 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supernatural Wraith In Substantial Corpses? Tremendous Spectres Isolated from Abyssal Lands?
< 1426028961 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :t** p******* s******* i* a l** hth
< 1426029100 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brains... thinks... grinds...
< 1426029491 0 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1426030073 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could acronymize hellørjan to hø
< 1426030135 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hø hø hø
< 1426030211 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tsial" works as well for some values of t, fwiw
< 1426030720 0 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426030831 0 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1426031176 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ak-RAW-nim-ize
< 1426031245 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ak.ʁɔ.nim.i.fje/
< 1426031264 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/k\./.k/
< 1426031287 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the something something is a lie hth
< 1426031311 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Sgeo is a lie?
< 1426031452 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains so much!
< 1426031615 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=2803 hth
< 1426031631 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(got this via the iwc forum, i think)
< 1426031705 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :丅Дイ：嘘だ！
< 1426031719 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that was too hard to find, i hate that IE seems to only find _some_ urls when autocompleting from the logs :(
< 1426031783 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Downtack De I??? And no, I won't use soda.
< 1426031798 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CURVED CHICKEN
< 1426031845 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a angry face, in referance to higurashi hth
< 1426032207 0 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-67-232-56-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426032233 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome vodkode
< 1426032235 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13vodkode: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06
< 1426081002 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426081018 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::crinzesi!~crinzesi@213.143.60.205 JOIN #esoteri :corsee!~corsee@90.174.3.1 JOIN #esoteric ...
< 1426081024 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu is abset?
< 1426081037 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay well let's just ban everyone with names starting with c
< 1426081037 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo
< 1426081114 0 :nycs!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426081143 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1426081149 0 :nycs!?@? NICK :`^_^v
< 1426081224 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two addresses assigned to France Telecom Spain (cprinzesi, curtiii), an IP belonging to ZHAW (http://www.zhaw.ch/), and no obvious link; could be a botnet.
< 1426081289 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were they spamming again? I've forgotten already
< 1426081320 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03EnumCZ 5* 10New user account
< 1426081719 0 :Mackledoge!~Mackan900@unaffiliated/mackan90096 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426081903 0 :arjanb!8259ab15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.171.21 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426082035 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426082099 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426082143 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i agree. especially clog. that guy steams me up.
< 1426082198 0 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1426082357 0 :vodkode-away!~vodkode@fl-67-232-56-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : nnnnnnnnnnnnnn]
< 1426082365 0 :vodkode-away!?@? NICK :vodkode
< 1426082367 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1426082494 0 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zghzamwhrlccjkjk QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1426082507 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://esosc.mroman.ch/ESOSC-2014-D3-R1.TXT
< 1426082512 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zcfrtkycpqvtulhd JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426082580 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the limit to just latin letters?
< 1426082611 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, the grammar seems to have no "This is what the format is" thingy
< 1426082637 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Initial variable, I think that's the word
< 1426082640 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what nortti said
< 1426082645 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: wouldn't that be ESOSC-2015-D3-R1?
< 1426082649 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1426082650 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT!
< 1426082654 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 2015 already
< 1426082656 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1426082667 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it started in 2014 :)
< 1426082669 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think shorthand variables should generally be separated by spaces when ambiguity can occur
< 1426082690 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that isn't a problem in this version
< 1426082697 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean for variables with two or more letters?
< 1426082705 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1426082781 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1426082792 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally you'd say that two letters requires spaces?
< 1426082843 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1426082872 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda = L, variable, ".", term; that'd be non-abbreviated
< 1426082926 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't distinguish \xy as \"xy" from abbreviated \"x".\"y". then
< 1426082927 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sucks
< 1426082954 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could require multi letter variables to start with a special character
< 1426083019 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like _ or ' or whatever
< 1426083036 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then \_xy_zc is without ambuigity \_xy.\_zc
< 1426083086 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ugly :\
< 1426083106 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1426083109 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't parse it otherwise
< 1426083114 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mandating \x y z. is fine
< 1426083122 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do that, yeah
< 1426083125 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can't write \xyz
< 1426083129 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1426083150 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a good trade-off :)
< 1426083156 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft who needs multiletter variables? just allow all of unicode as variable names!
< 1426083198 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gqvucqidynpxjtcl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1426083227 0 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ejfaxffomcfveuvl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1426083256 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1426083256 0 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1426083285 0 :nyuszika7h!nyuszika7h@cadoth.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1426083304 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iverson would be happy
< 1426083342 0 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1426083345 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426083351 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ;;
< 1426083352 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+037E GREEK QUESTION MARK] [U+003B SEMICOLON]
< 1426083380 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-D3-R2.TXT
< 1426083390 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode oоpр
< 1426083391 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+043E CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER O] [U+0070 LATIN SMALL LETTER P] [U+0440 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ER]
< 1426083421 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm actually really happy with programming languages that are restricted to ASCII.
< 1426083432 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1426083459 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode СССР
< 1426083460 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+0421 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ES] [U+0421 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ES] [U+0421 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ES] [U+0420 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ER]
< 1426083595 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: how about whitespace? maybe just declare that you can use additional whitespace between elements?
< 1426083596 0 :supay!sid47179@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sgdclvexxgwmndlv JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426083706 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Ah. Good point.
< 1426083715 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how you embed that into EBNF
< 1426083723 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except like saying "additional whitespaces are ignored"
< 1426083740 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: ' ' | epsilon
< 1426083762 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1426083764 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1426083766 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :' ' | ''
< 1426083770 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ascii
< 1426083784 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but
< 1426083787 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :L, variable
< 1426083791 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no space allowed in there
< 1426083795 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to do uhm
< 1426083799 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :L, {spaces}, variable
< 1426083834 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :L, {spaces}, variable, {spaces}, ".", {spaces}
< 1426083838 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise
< 1426083850 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm
< 1426083856 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :allow spaces after L
< 1426083862 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :L = "\" , {spaces}
< 1426083899 0 :fractal!~fractal@unaffiliated/scounder JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426083986 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-D3-R2.TXT <- like that? @nortti
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< 1426084090 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that disallows ( foo )
< 1426084124 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe add additional { spaces }, to the beginning of term?
< 1426084137 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. yep
< 1426084285 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(updated http://mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-D3-R2.TXT)
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< 1426084301 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, where am I to start reading the grammar specification? at term?
< 1426084303 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's a ; missing after variable, too.)
< 1426084303 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ? thing ? mean the same as thing | ''?
< 1426084331 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO/IEC 14977 says ? ? is a special sequence
< 1426084338 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :with human readable stuff afaik
< 1426084339 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1426084346 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :? those weird looking letters ?
< 1426084350 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1426084371 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :? all digits ?
< 1426084372 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is {} then?
< 1426084378 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ } is optional repetition
< 1426084413 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so { thing } means the same as thing = things | ''?
< 1426084418 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather
< 1426084423 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ thing } is zero or more times a thing.
< 1426084427 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing = thing things | ''
< 1426084453 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what it would me
< 1426084454 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :an
< 1426084534 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable = .. { spaces } is stupid though
< 1426084541 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces aren't part of the variable actually
< 1426084552 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd also conflict with { variable, " " },
< 1426084604 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fixed*
< 1426084647 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-D3-R2.TXT)
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< 1426084742 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no whitespace permitted in the "\x."? I see
< 1426084751 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1426084755 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\x ." is illegal, yes
< 1426084764 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\ x." is legal
< 1426084796 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: hm
< 1426084799 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :L, { variable, " " }, variable, ".", term, { spaces };
< 1426084801 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing that too
< 1426084812 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, isn't the { spaces } in the end of lambda a bit redundant? it can only end in term, which ends in { spaces }
< 1426084812 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :L, { variable, " " }, [ variable ], ".", term, { spaces }; should fix that however?
< 1426084847 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: true
< 1426084849 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with parens and application
< 1426084971 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-D3-R3.TXT <- like that
< 1426084977 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would allow "\x ."
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< 1426085040 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, that seems good
< 1426085055 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why [ variable ] ?
< 1426085060 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1426085074 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want "\x y." to be legal
< 1426085099 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wouldn't be legal only with { variable, " " } because then you'd be missing a space after "y"
< 1426085108 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why [ ]?
< 1426085118 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this way it is optional
< 1426085125 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus allowing "\x y ."
< 1426085128 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, right
< 1426085151 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otherwise "\x y ." would be illegal because it expects another variable)
< 1426085173 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1426085179 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way L, { spaces }, variable , ".", term; is actually redundant
< 1426085192 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. nope
< 1426085202 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise "\." would be legal :D
< 1426085225 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1426085233 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd want at least one variable, " "
< 1426085374 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ variable, " " } [variable] is both zero or more
< 1426085437 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (variable, " ") wouldn't allow "\x ." again :(
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< 1426085454 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1426085456 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it would
< 1426085457 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1426085476 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-D3-R4.TXT <- ok, that should fix that zero variables
< 1426085540 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about replacing " " with a space in general?
< 1426085556 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just thinking about that too :D
< 1426085576 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :" " could be replaced with { space }
< 1426085586 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would allow even stuff like "\x y z"
< 1426085671 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :k. updated R4 again.
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< 1426085688 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :L, { space }, (variable, { space }), { variable, { space } },
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< 1426085915 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "this is what the format is"?
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< 1426086487 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, a canonical top grammar thing
< 1426086491 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LambdaExpression := ...
< 1426086504 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42112&oldid=41856 5* 03160.85.232.191 5* (+81) 10/* External resources */ adding ESOSC link.
< 1426086518 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's "term"?
< 1426086559 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1426086563 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a suggested wording?
< 1426086572 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what happened to ESOSC brainfuck?
< 1426086586 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I think it died due to no consent could be reached?
< 1426086588 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, make that clear
< 1426086622 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok. a bit confusing that it seems to have been skipped in numbering
< 1426086646 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1426086646 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1426086674 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus syntax was D5
< 1426086674 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1426086679 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should keep it D5
< 1426086682 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of D3
< 1426086690 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was D4?
< 1426086700 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :file extensions :)
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< 1426086827 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://mroman.ch/ESOSC/ESOSC-2014-D5-R5.TXT <- like that
< 1426086832 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or again: Suggested wording :D?
< 1426086848 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, that's good
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< 1426089817 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :re
< 1426089859 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :'aight. Then I guess it goes into waiting for approval state @ nortti Taneb
< 1426089969 0 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve
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< 1426091732 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I also approve
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< 1426093606 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1426093931 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes A5 then
< 1426094137 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, \x . y is illegal?
< 1426094180 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and do you want printable letters or characters in variable names?)
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< 1426094214 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally I'd worry about associativity, since a b c can be parsed in two ways (though everybody knows which one is the "right" one)
< 1426094332 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't this be simpler for "lambda"? lambda = L, { space }, { variable, { space } }, variable, { space }, ".", term
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< 1426094919 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no. term has a leading { space }
< 1426094951 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was worried about the space before the .
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< 1426094978 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's legal.
< 1426094981 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see now that this is allowed; I fail to see the purpose of the [ variable ]
< 1426094995 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case the productions look unnecessarily complicated.
< 1426095033 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for lambda)
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< 1426095119 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :L, { space }, { variable, { space } }, variable, { space }, ".", term; should indeed work
< 1426095125 0 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is more concise you're right.
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< 1426095434 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably end up with something like http://sprunge.us/SIfJ
< 1426095460 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mainly did that as an exercise for myself.)
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< 1426096073 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, writing parsers without tokenization is so tedious. Now "abc" can be up to three variables...
< 1426096092 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/parsers/grammars/
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< 1426100423 0 :FleurRose!?@? NICK :Fleur
< 1426101454 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling back to yesterday's discussion about the "single USB-C port only in MacBook Whateveritwas", apparently we just released an updated version of the "Pixel" Chromebook, and it has... a USB-C port both for charging and peripherals. (Except it's got two of those, and two regular USB 3 type-B ports. Also I think it's not quite as crazy-expensive as the old Pixel, even if it's still quite so.)
< 1426101554 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so happy about USB type-C ports in general, but I guess if it turns out all new laptops will use it for charging (instead of having custom charger ports) that's a win?
< 1426101609 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- universal charger[3] make it easy to take Pixel anywhere --" "[3] Charger only works with USB Type-C devices." nice footnote.
< 1426101617 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or nice definition of "universal".
< 1426101674 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I meant type A ports instead of type B in the above. I keep mixing those up.)
< 1426101755 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, another USB connector?!
< 1426101788 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(old news apparently but I haven't been paying attention)
< 1426101796 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes... but standardized chargers!
< 1426101840 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, another USB connector. :/
< 1426102043 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the standard type C size is pretty small (not too much larger than micro-B), so maybe they won't make mini-C and micro-C next. (Yeah, right.)
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< 1426102642 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 24 pins, crazy.
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< 1426103465 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ᵤ
< 1426103480 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+1D64 LATIN SUBSCRIPT SMALL LETTER U]
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< 1426106468 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Those are some pretty small pins.
< 1426106473 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Must be expensive to make, too.
< 1426106515 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, that was just pure guesswork, I don't know anything about making hardware. Maybe it's not.)
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< 1426109758 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-26.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1426110271 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm an idiot. my monitor was glitching up, and i tried to screenshot it
< 1426110297 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the computer has no idea about glitches in the monitor
< 1426110306 0 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1426110437 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least it proves the error isn't somewhere earlier
< 1426110555 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. clearly the error is between the display memory and the LCD panel
< 1426110621 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I should have known that, given that I have been solving the glitches by punching the back of the screen
< 1426110726 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a laptop with a webcam that points at the screen
< 1426110802 0 :naturalog!~naturalog@5.28.189.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1426110895 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe just a portable reflective surface you can hold in your hands.
< 1426110911 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's crazy talk
< 1426110939 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloren. fizziello. hellørjan.
< 1426110946 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoily.
< 1426110947 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what do you glitches look like?
< 1426110949 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hb
< 1426110953 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hø.
< 1426111092 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like the screen freezing and then slowly turning white until I hit it
< 1426111143 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bohily
< 1426111167 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426111173 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FirelloFly!
< 1426111184 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: ŏ_Ô?
< 1426111208 0 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-limbidlqhfgejzpj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
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< 1426113075 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MINUS SIGN
< 1426113081 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :−
< 1426113086 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1426113138 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ―
< 1426113150 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+2015 HORIZONTAL BAR]
< 1426113151 0 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.
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< 1426113976 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode -
< 1426113986 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS]
< 1426113993 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF
< 1426114052 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ー一～
< 1426114053 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+30FC KATAKANA-HIRAGANA PROLONGED SOUND MARK] [U+4E00 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-4E00] [U+FF5E FULLWIDTH TILDE]
< 1426114170 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last one is a tilde
< 1426114172 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a horizontal line
< 1426114192 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode －
< 1426114193 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+FF0D FULLWIDTH HYPHEN-MINUS]
< 1426114204 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better
< 1426114220 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ＷＴＦ
< 1426114281 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [U+FFUU FULLWIDTH WHAT-THE-FUCK]
< 1426114310 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unicode 'EN DASH' 'EM DASH' # I'm missing a compose key
< 1426114313 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :–—
< 1426114370 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference between e{n,m} dashes is pretty subtle (if it even exists) on this particular monospace font.
< 1426114386 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that makes sense, given the names.
< 1426114400 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ern dash
< 1426114417 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a sufficiently miniscule keming)
< 1426114419 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my terminal settings the em dash overlies the next charcter
< 1426114435 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very clear in this proportional one
< 1426114442 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a monospace font, 'm' and 'n' have the same width
< 1426114450 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd expect em and en dashes to have the same width, too
< 1426114466 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was the "makes sense" part.
< 1426114478 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a lot of the characters are being taken from some other font who
< 1426114493 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is porposional
< 1426114526 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck speling
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< 1426114572 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. This font only supports characters from Shift-JIS
< 1426114717 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my apartment just vibrated, with a dull sound of somebody having tripped...
< 1426114965 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :porpoisonal sound fonts
< 1426115002 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is someone living upstairs twh
< 1426115025 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting fact: shift-jis has twelve characters whose origins and meanings are entirely unknown:墸壥妛彁挧暃椢槞蟐袮閠駲
< 1426115051 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These later made it into unicode
< 1426115075 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, 彁 is the only character with completely unknown origin
< 1426115089 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: they're a magical incantation that causes cthulhu to trip 5 minutes in the past hth
< 1426115091 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :others have partial infos about them available
< 1426115142 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have a meaning?
< 1426115230 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly transcription error.
< 1426115252 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that makes sense
< 1426115264 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :彁 is unique because there is no clue about the origin of error (or if any, plausible origin)
< 1426115284 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JIS_X_0208#Kanji_from_unknown_sources
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< 1426115455 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, do those kanji have any actual pronunciation?
< 1426115462 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: there aren't nobody upstairs. and as far as I know, there is no upstairs.
< 1426115473 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing no, because IIRC you cant pronounce a kanji just from its shape
< 1426115493 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure some demented entomologist'll come with a meaning for 蟐 someday.
< 1426115494 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in fact, to some degress, you can.
< 1426115507 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kanjitisiki.com/yuureimozi/ Some have pronounciations listed on this website
< 1426115514 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats boily -----###
< 1426115521 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi hi ^^
< 1426115529 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: heh
< 1426115530 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most kanjis (or hanjas or hanzis, anyway) are phono-semantic compounds and their sounds can be inferred from a part of the character
< 1426115539 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I tried to find a lounge with a VW bus in it, but only found a Star Trek corridor, a ball pit, and a pile of rooms named after Star Trek characters. I think I'm in the wrong building.
< 1426115547 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah. "read the side"
< 1426115586 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when I say "most", I really mean about 90%)
< 1426115668 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ask Taneb. he has experience being sci-filly mislead.
< 1426115680 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, what is the adverb for sci-fi?)
< 1426115765 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you can make arbitrary noun modifiers into adverbs
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< 1426115822 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sci-fial?
< 1426115844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen SFnal used seriously, though that is of course a different abbreviation
< 1426115856 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream where some asshole joined this channel and /msg'd me multiple times when I was asleep to tell him to take his side in arguments and enforce it with op powers
< 1426115859 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :psa: don't be an asshole
< 1426115904 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sci-fi -> science-fiction -> science-fictionally -> scifixily
< 1426115945 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Found the bus. I was in fact in the wrong building.
< 1426115950 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But SFnaly
< 1426115956 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is shorter
< 1426116094 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't got to the part of the log with elliott's dreams in it yet
< 1426116132 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie was in the wrong building. oren drives the bus.
< 1426116147 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... it seems that while the On-yomi generally follow the "read the side" rule, the kun-yomi are all over the place. makes sense i guess since the kun-yomi are just japanese words assigned to a chinese character with a close meaning
< 1426116174 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's completely arbitrary
< 1426116182 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on'yomi are easier than their kunterparts.
< 1426116190 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWWWW
< 1426116206 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWWWWW is much easier to type than lololol
< 1426116232 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure
< 1426116239 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternating between two characters is often faster than spamming one
< 1426116245 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololololololololololololol
< 1426116249 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
< 1426116252 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the ws are more painful
< 1426116253 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
< 1426116257 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er, I just woke up and said that now.
< 1426116269 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you forgot to capitalize the ws too
< 1426116280 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: assume I have a caps lock key
< 1426116290 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still have those?
< 1426116298 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my caps lock key was remapped to Esc a long, long time ago.
< 1426116307 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I hope you have a terrible sense of humor, or you will definitely get RSI.
< 1426116310 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am sorry, i am going to assume your dream was psychic until i've finished the logs hth
< 1426116311 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I don't "spam" W I hold it down
< 1426116311 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, as a pianist expert I say lol is easier than www.
< 1426116331 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: neophyte. plebeian. real men spam w.
< 1426116345 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: You take your reasonableness elsewhere
< 1426116349 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holding it down's limited by the keyboard repeat rate
< 1426116356 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whippersnappers with their key repeat
< 1426116362 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could increase the keyboard repeat rate just to spam nicovideo more easily
< 1426116369 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my keyboard's repeat rate is sufficiently high that I have no problem spamming wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
< 1426116390 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :32iw
< 1426116411 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good try.
< 1426116416 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat'w'
< 1426116417 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘repeat'w'’
< 1426116421 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1426116432 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :saved by the syntax bell
< 1426116435 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'w' looks like a face of some animal
< 1426116445 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when I "woke up" in the dream I was grouchy but vaguely satisfied by the thought that he's probably the one I should ban instead
< 1426116452 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: it's a vampire bat hth
< 1426116480 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ôwô)
< 1426116494 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :>ω>
< 1426116507 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :owl
< 1426116520 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only word that's an emoticon of itself
< 1426116529 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-008-196.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would have a v, would it not?
< 1426116560 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this owl is from the czernobyl area hth
< 1426116578 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL a chernobyl owl represents itself when written.
< 1426116610 0 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chernobyl owl" doesn't look like I imagine a chernobyl owl would look like, to me
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< 1426116666 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chernobyl Owls are very important in representation theory
< 1426116713 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :🐦
< 1426116762 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode doesn't appear to have an owl yet
< 1426116782 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a travesty
< 1426116877 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ) \___/ (
< 1426116877 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : { ( @)v(@ ) }
< 1426116877 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : { | ~~~ | }
< 1426116877 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : { / ^^^^ \ }
< 1426116877 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :___`m – m`__
< 1426117058 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I can say 🔨 💻 💥
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< 1426117107 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🔨 💻 💥
< 1426117115 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F528 HAMMER \ UTF-8: f0 9f 94 a8 UTF-16BE: d83ddd28 Decimal: 🔨 \ 🔨 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+0020 SPACE \ UTF-8: 20 UTF-16BE: 0020 Decimal: \ \ Category: Zs (Separator, Space) \ Bidi: WS (Whitespace) \ \ U+1F4BB PERSONAL COMPUTER \ UTF-8: f0 9f 92 bb UTF-16BE: d83ddcbb Decimal: &#
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< 1426117127 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 💥
< 1426117134 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F4A5 COLLISION SYMBOL \ UTF-8: f0 9f 92 a5 UTF-16BE: d83ddca5 Decimal: 💥 \ 💥 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
< 1426117230 0 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1426117267 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I can tell a story: 👮 💴 👯 👇 👄 👅
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< 1426117444 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yikes
< 1426117479 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why "woman with bunny ears" is a legitimate unicode character
< 1426117491 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think I just used it correctly
< 1426117810 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nothing in the logs, i guess your dream must be precognitive then hth
< 1426117851 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: emoticons most likely
< 1426117882 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yikes
< 1426117924 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :👨 💸 📉 💢 ; 👨 💴 👔 ,💥 📈 -- if only this were true
< 1426117981 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stress out about losing money. Buy suit. Explosive growth?
< 1426117995 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah
< 1426118076 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately wearing a suit has virtually no effect on how much money you make...
< 1426118206 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though how much money you make can have an effect on how many suits you wear. Or how many suits you make, depending on what side of things you're one.
< 1426118213 0 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on
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< 1426119212 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I want to use these in my next assignment. "Let 🍩 (x) be the proposition that x is a donut..."
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< 1426120023 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🍩
< 1426120024 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F369 DOUGHNUT \ UTF-8: f0 9f 8d a9 UTF-16BE: d83cdf69 Decimal: 🍩 \ 🍩 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
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< 1426122395 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmble no confirmation whether my yafgc comment was posted/sent to moderation or summarily refused (i included both an Ø and a url, although to the same site)
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< 1426122520 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well if it doesn't go through then they don't deserve my wisdom anyway.
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< 1426128099 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a triangle is a quadrilateral with two identical vertices
< 1426128264 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, a quadrilateral is NOT a pair of triangles with two vertices in common
< 1426128339 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? because the other two points also need to be guaranteed to be on opposite sides of the line formed by the two common vertices
< 1426128986 0 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind, I'mma figure out my newest language idea instead. So, suppose you have some stateful code with local variables, inside a subroutine called foo. I propose a construct where, when calling foo, the return value is not merely a value, but is a dictionary of all the local state variables of foo.
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< 1426139838 0 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: Soundcloud (Famitracker Chiptunes): http://www.soundcloud.com/patashu MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
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< 1426151724 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...next year I'll have a module in what is essentially Eodermdrome++
< 1426152171 0 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: BICUBIC CHICKEN
< 1426152638 0 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what Taneb
< 1426152677 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/undergraduate/modules/grat.html
< 1426152709 0 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably start being alive to understand
< 1426152787 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "description" and "aims" are the same, except that the "aims" starts with a couple of bullet points that aren't in the "description"
< 1426152789 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, UML, seriously?
< 1426152880 0 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1426152903 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Firefox's new search box is so much worse than the old one
< 1426152916 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for someone like me who uses site-specific search a lot
< 1426152930 0 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to site-specific
< 1426152943 0 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that `site:<>`
< 1426152955 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's using Google or the like to search one site
< 1426152963 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, searching sites using the site's own search engine
< 1426152972 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. I can set the Firefox dropdown box to search Esolang, or Wikipedia, or the like
< 1426152982 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I used to be able to select the search engine first, then search
< 1426153008 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, I have to enter the search query first, then click on the search engine, and pressing return will always search the default search engine (which can only be changed through configuration)
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< 1426153682 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LOWERCASE GREEK LETTER THETA
< 1426153688 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1426153692 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1426153700 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode LOWERCASE GREEK THETA
< 1426153704 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just "small"?
< 1426153707 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1426153709 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode SMALL GREEK LETTER THETA
< 1426153710 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1426153714 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1426153718 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode THETA
< 1426153719 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0398 GREEK CAPITAL LETTER THETA \ UTF-8: ce 98 UTF-16BE: 0398 Decimal: Θ \ Θ (θ) \ Lowercase: U+03B8 \ Category: Lu (Letter, Uppercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \ \ U+03B8 GREEK SMALL LETTER THETA \ UTF-8: ce b8 UTF-16BE: 03b8 Decimal: θ \ θ (Θ) \ Uppercase: U+0398 \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) \
< 1426153768 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode GREEK SMALL LETTER TAU
< 1426153769 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :τ
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< 1426159092 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnordbot, how are you doing?
< 1426159093 0 :fnordbot!~fungot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: respects." " who said that?" " try to explain to her to know that in to the reader's digest. glad you could make it a paying proposition. he had no discernible mongoloid characteristics, and the only vestiges left in mr l prosser was," he was saying, " magrathea is a myth, a fairy story, it's what parents tell their kids at school nicknamed him ix, which in the language. " at a wild guess, i'd be all." " i just don't say
< 1426159143 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I'm not panicking about this coursework that's in for tomorrow, I shall learn J!
< 1426159355 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I need to learn Plankalkül.
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< 1426166322 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31858156 :((((
< 1426166622 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
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< 1426167190 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :RIP Terry Pratchett | I'm a fungot trapped in a house with Internet but no one there to connect me | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
< 1426167291 0 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw
< 1426167295 0 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time coming, but aw
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< 1426167712 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has been my favourite author for quite a long time now, it is so sad to know that he is not around any more
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< 1426168641 0 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terry Pratchett too? Damn.
< 1426168762 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, who else died... Sam Simon?
< 1426168781 0 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nimoy.
< 1426168816 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was a long time ago.
< 1426168823 0 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1426168826 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was like last week
< 1426168842 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit over two weeks
< 1426168861 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait. 13 days. stupid february
< 1426168877 0 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardly long ago.
< 1426168888 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of people have died in the meantime.
< 1426168913 0 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 2 point 2 million.
< 1426168980 0 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many people will mourn your passing do you think?
< 1426169117 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :5
< 1426169144 0 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That not too bad. Close family and a best friend?
< 1426169149 0 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.83.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's*
< 1426169227 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe 10, but yeah, close family and perhaps a colleague or two.
< 1426169345 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess (can I say hope without sounding like an asshole?) that I'll survive most of that close family, so the number may become smaller.
< 1426169434 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: to be fair, I didn't hear of any notable death between Leonard Nimoy and Sam Simon, but the latter seemed significant enough.
< 1426169451 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Live a life such that your death will be celebrated by millions
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< 1426169564 0 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, we got lucky with Ford surviving.
< 1426169619 0 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Be Hitler" sage advice from Jafet
< 1426169636 0 :AndoDaan_!?@? NICK :AndoDaan
< 1426169796 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, that's going a bit too far. You shouldn't kill yourself just because you want to be celebrated right now.
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< 1426169993 0 :AndoDaan_!?@? NICK :AndoDaan
< 1426170446 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you download the new Famicompo?
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< 1426172489 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42113&oldid=42108 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+0) 10/* Constants */
< 1426172501 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar
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< 1426174448 0 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1426181800 0 :nortti!?@? NICK :LouisNapoleon
< 1426181814 0 :LouisNapoleon!?@? NICK :nortti
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< 1426186134 0 :naturalo1!?@? NICK :naturalog
< 1426186206 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the IO monad was actually invented in 1965.
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< 1426187649 0 :oren!~oren@public-243-42.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything was invented about 1960 something.
< 1426187678 0 :oren!~oren@public-243-42.nat.utoronto.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing ever actually happened prior to 1961
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< 1426187707 0 :michael12!~androirc@176.40.203.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merhaba
< 1426187715 0 :michael12!~androirc@176.40.203.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiiiii
< 1426187730 0 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.64.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome
< 1426187732 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1426464627 309908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1426464671 853993 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def rreree bf ,.[.>,.<.>].
< 1426464671 854600 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1426464709 273360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree to be or not to be
< 1426464709 274034 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttoto o b bebe e o oror r n nonotot t t toto o b bebe
< 1426464793 63457 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def rreree bf ,.[.>,.<.>]
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< 1426464918 172203 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree My hovercraft is full of eels?
< 1426464918 210256 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMyMy y h hohovoveverercrcrcrarafaftft t i isis s f fufulullll l o ofof f e eeeelelsls?s?
< 1426464934 710011 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. wait wait wait wait wait.
< 1426464964 824713 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hohovoveverercrcrcrarafaftft
< 1426464978 845705 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree æđæe¶→đæߢ“♥
< 1426464979 52367 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ææĦđđÑææeee¶¶→ĒđđÑæææßߢ¢“♥
< 1426464997 231163 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT! >_<
< 1426465004 263846 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: welcome back!
< 1426465004 385542 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: when i go home, there'll be hardly any more effort spent on the fnord
< 1426465011 708222 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def rreree bf ,.[.>>,[.<<.>>>]<]<.
< 1426465011 710542 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1426465017 517342 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree re
< 1426465017 518190 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rreree
< 1426465020 548096 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree meow
< 1426465020 755886 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmemeoeowoww
< 1426465021 709816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is out of the loop
< 1426465025 167175 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree meow Hello!
< 1426465025 508245 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmemeoeowow w H HeHelellllolo!o!!
< 1426465038 400189 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, now it repeats the last letter three times, too, just as it should
< 1426465066 105749 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eh?
< 1426465081 330007 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree loopyloop
< 1426465081 330698 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lloloooopopypylyloloooopopp
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< 1426465105 46951 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree a
< 1426465105 371589 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa
< 1426465107 141022 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree ab
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< 1426465111 477229 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree æ
< 1426465111 722546 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ææ
< 1426465116 940701 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree ææ
< 1426465117 139168 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :æææææ
< 1426465119 7809 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree æææ
< 1426465119 268459 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ææææææææ
< 1426465121 80593 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree æææ«
< 1426465121 405191 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :æææææææ榫«
< 1426465125 716981 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree æ«“ĸß
< 1426465125 907211 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :æ榫«“Ĝĸĸøßß
< 1426465137 693204 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can see what sort of new unicode characters it can synthesise
< 1426465143 963931 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree €€
< 1426465144 160034 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :€€
< 1426465145 913360 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree ۾
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< 1426465148 885734 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree €«
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< 1426465151 225541 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree €»
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< 1426465157 2648 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree ȣ
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< 1426465164 590112 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree »€æ
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< 1426465170 818111 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree “«
< 1426465171 129388 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“««
< 1426465176 939 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree “«¢
< 1426465176 318634 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“«««¢¢
< 1426465179 368971 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree «¢
< 1426465179 582361 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :«««¢¢
< 1426465182 538658 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree ¢«
< 1426465182 909652 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :¢¢¢««
< 1426465183 588745 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you do know that fungot answer private messages, don't you?
< 1426465183 952174 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'ts not xs fault that x is getting modified in place. i'm sure in the end
< 1426465186 684416 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry
< 1426465194 514646 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got carried away
< 1426465213 652733 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And very well said, fungot
< 1426465214 214151 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: or he could call a halting program an optimisation of the above :) could you write an interpreter and i need to
< 1426465224 718168 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: re: eh?
< 1426465282 778280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you've apparently just noticed fungot's return hth
< 1426465282 968340 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: everyone does webprogramming in scheme then. as you might notice that i now have fnord/ views/ etc data structures
< 1426465311 921111 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. I kind of seriously brainlagged there.
< 1426465318 806339 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't worry, I still love you.
< 1426465319 63510 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you pass the cdr to the needed place, they're capable of? i bet i could implement a posn with a list...
< 1426465353 696502 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def rreree bf ,..>,[.<.>.>,]<.
< 1426465353 816676 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1426465389 906267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's still not the original rule you gave
< 1426465428 123130 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the original rule was flawed; the extra ' ' was a wart to make transpose work without too many hassles.
< 1426465434 458550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1426465448 539761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree abcd
< 1426465448 540415 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aababcbcdcdd
< 1426465495 180502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but your new rule reverses the role of the previous and next character
< 1426465527 468636 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let s = "abcd" in concat $ transpose [s,' ':s,s]
< 1426465528 596614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "a ababcbcdcdd"
< 1426465543 694316 :chaosagent!~quassel@c-98-210-97-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Bye.
< 1426465548 28268 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? if you drop the space, that's what you get.
< 1426465556 553263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION confused
< 1426465606 505766 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree abc
< 1426465606 506532 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : a ababcbcc
< 1426465616 150303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see, it's actually _ambiguous_ how to split it up
< 1426465626 553854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have bcbc in there
< 1426465644 952484 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree abc
< 1426465644 953619 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : a ababcbc c
< 1426465659 446942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not given whether the first or the last letter should be left out
< 1426465685 104297 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow.
< 1426465698 786640 :arjanb!8259a906@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.89.169.6 QUIT :Quit: zzz
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< 1426465733 950444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can analyze it either as a,bab,cbc,dcd,d or as aba,bcb,cdc,dd
< 1426465741 458341 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my mind it's "links" shaped like a a a or b b b that are hooked together: a abab b etc.
< 1426465846 363688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case I like that brainfuck code, it's surprisingly short :)
< 1426465851 783565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you removed the "a ", it looked to me like you had changed from the former to the latter
< 1426465867 477609 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't, I only removed the space.
< 1426465879 201872 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway.
< 1426465892 651386 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree some regrets
< 1426465892 652124 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssosomomeme e r reregegrgreretetstss
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< 1426466304 680764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++.
< 1426466304 718389 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1426466324 524352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++.
< 1426466324 525584 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
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< 1426466602 526780 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def rerere bf ,.>,.<.>>,[.<.<.>>>,]<.<.>.
< 1426466602 566256 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1426466616 92586 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rerere back to the roots
< 1426466616 146690 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :babcabkca kct kot ott oht eht ehr eor oortoostosts
< 1426466683 840319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rerere re
< 1426466683 841037 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rerere
< 1426466692 399423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally got that
< 1426466710 337091 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's more or less the version before tswett's improvement)
< 1426467082 321665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i wonder if whoever asked the adventurers to get the hand of aliam did so to indirectly free ranna.
< 1426467147 772457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do suspect the succubi might want that, too
< 1426467185 595631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i wonder if i've seen any drow missing a hand around...
< 1426467262 703185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, excluding wolf, who may have lost one temporarily, or was that only glon...
< 1426467345 379968 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Looking for an absurd outcome, I'm hoping that the hand ends up with Captain Fang.
< 1426467387 206618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he and dewcup should meet up some time
< 1426467419 845152 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee hee
< 1426467519 786334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the concentration of chaos would destroy the universe.
< 1426467787 896780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yafgc.net/comic/0463-drow-ire/ both wolf and glon
< 1426467916 384802 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :destroying the Universe sounds fun.
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< 1426467960 867801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily escaped just as i was about to test whether he's a succubus.
< 1426467978 802687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that succuba
< 1426467991 502371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree a succubus
< 1426467991 505568 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aa a s susucuccccucubububusus s
< 1426468043 628858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm thinking of incubus
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< 1426469676 251620 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My improvement?
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< 1426470806 251195 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that CODEGATE 2015 had a problem ("oemu") that the breakthrough requires writing a shell code in subleq
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< 1426471953 668575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh somehow rebooting made chrome work again. okay!
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< 1426474637 218546 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When will they make an inkjet printer that doesn't need its ink shaken
< 1426474741 281282 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1426475216 260634 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that a problem anyway? most printers are fully capable of shaking their own ink
< 1426475253 139561 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42134&oldid=42091 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+20) 10
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< 1426479088 446288 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well, the printer in question was printing entirely blank sheets, until I took out the ink, shook it, and put it back in
< 1426479188 273318 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1426479191 887399 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :never had that problem
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< 1426491224 787500 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42135&oldid=41986 5* 0380.53.184.190 5* (+32) 10!* --
< 1426491340 332045 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42136&oldid=42135 5* 0380.53.184.190 5* (-1) 10/* Syntax */
< 1426491720 581612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taktentus14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42137&oldid=42136 5* 0380.53.184.190 5* (+18) 10/* Examples */
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< 1426496889 182159 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/FMNSSun/ESOSC/blob/master/ESOSC-2014-D6.TXT fwiw
< 1426496938 303957 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-loud
< 1426496938 342329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
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< 1426497760 884505 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :uw. that should be https://github.com/FMNSSun/ESOSC/blob/master/ESOSC-2015-D6.TXT
< 1426497764 477807 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1426508249 211281 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> viewQueue1 _ = error "Taneb's done something idiotic!"
< 1426508250 471331 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42138&oldid=41980 5* 0393.157.13.3 5* (+13) 10
< 1426508250 574598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1426508267 801525 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would somebody please ban crisus.
< 1426508279 817156 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's spamming my query everytime I write something.
< 1426508299 794112 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In spanish though. So I don't understand everything.
< 1426508305 367767 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, those are impossible to reach error conditions
< 1426508313 508952 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I assume "solo hooy" means "only today"
< 1426508315 824673 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is (or was? I may have removed one) three of them
< 1426508335 646538 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's three of them.
< 1426508421 696987 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:22:36 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You are not authorized to (de)op elliott__ on #esoteric.
< 1426508425 2982 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else do it
< 1426508430 734154 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie
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< 1426509908 797182 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Nickserv doesn't know you...
< 1426509953 997692 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have too many __s
< 1426510033 904562 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( So why do I now think that "size matters"? )
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< 1426527314 600112 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a16c:83db:7216:9763 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1426528945 220112 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
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< 1426539296 212177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1426540228 580040 :iamevn!~evn@67.201.217.24 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426540482 617096 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426541296 284469 :iamevn!~evn@67.201.217.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been working on a simple language for the last couple days, mainly because I've never tried to write an interpreter before and I thought it'd be fun to dive in and see what works and what doesn't. https://github.com/iamevn/wordy
< 1426541307 500883 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1426541357 655125 :iamevn!~evn@67.201.217.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The basic idea is that any collection of sentences is valid source code and is guaranteed to do /something/ without crashing. Also computed GOTOs are fun
< 1426541453 913998 :iamevn!~evn@67.201.217.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any suggestions for things I can do to make the description and spec better/more clear?
< 1426541530 409078 :R40UL_!~R40UL@2a02:1812:2a14:a600:fcbc:3ab2:fe22:71c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426541764 446786 :raoulvdberge!~R40UL@2a02:1812:2a14:a600:fcbc:3ab2:fe22:71c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1426542147 791835 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a16c:83db:7216:9763 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426542644 514714 :cleres!~cleres@213.143.60.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426542693 918904 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426542776 415302 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be great if your language description would output "Hello, World!" when interpreted by Word. iamevn.
< 1426542786 202035 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by Wordy*
< 1426543034 228888 :iamevn!~evn@67.201.217.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be a pain to set that up for output that long. My current "Hello, world!" program consists of 168 sentences but I could possibly get it down to around 40 with some really long sentences to define constants to print.
< 1426543097 17473 :iamevn!~evn@67.201.217.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently building a database of sentences from various books and I'm planning on adjusting the instruction mapping after analyzing that
< 1426543378 594080 :iamevn!~evn@67.201.217.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spec currently just loops for a bit and is only 56 commands long.
< 1426543723 900556 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Maybe an idea would be to use other punctuation marks as a subset of instruction. I mean, Christopher, Walken, saying something, should, be... different than, anybody, else SAYING: "I mean, Christopher Walken saying something should be... different than anybody else saying:"
< 1426543801 79146 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like the premis as is, though.
< 1426543878 65650 :iamevn!~evn@67.201.217.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, I briefly played with the idea of adding an instruction to make the motherboard beep but soon after reenabling the pcspkr kernel module I remembered why I disabled it in the first place.
< 1426544034 150704 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine.
< 1426544047 916855 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, motherboards can still do that beep sound?
< 1426544148 447359 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, though many systems don't have a speaker wired up for it.
< 1426544179 844706 :iamevn!~evn@67.201.217.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think windows and osx also don't allow you to anymore either.
< 1426544356 591403 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4c6f4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1426544762 57558 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426544770 698546 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1426544865 977425 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lshkxgwfdodbvqej QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1426544910 721688 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, glogbot is fixed now, it look like
< 1426545070 744817 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glogbot_help
< 1426545085 684026 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chicken
< 1426545117 632078 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: please kickban cuquitu. it's a spambot.
< 1426545118 759459 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put an adjective behind it. In all caps.
< 1426545131 679790 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!chicken ADMONISHED
< 1426545144 97077 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And cleres too, elliott__.
< 1426545168 440671 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got the sme message from him as I did cuquitu.
< 1426545408 384458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1426545410 448046 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're all spambots though. I mean, I don't get a minutes rest from all the shit my brain is trying to sell me.
< 1426545439 485681 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not privately messaging all people who say something on the channel
< 1426545461 406691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: oh... deep.
< 1426545462 171914 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's to say that little voice inside your head is yours?
< 1426545480 812164 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mine.
< 1426545482 47613 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mine. I've grown used to it and adopted it.
< 1426545488 434642 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telepathic spamming has tricked us into thinking we're conscious.
< 1426545497 690172 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's that for esoteric.
< 1426545519 711970 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can set yourself +g and +D if you do not want to receive any messages on IRC, although that doesn't seem very useful; usually when you send a message you would want to get a reply.
< 1426545542 568628 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as it isn't any .. what'stherename ... Thetans... it's fine.
< 1426545589 516400 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+D yeah. "This prevents you from receiving channel messages. You will probably not want to set this in most cases. (It is used by services.)"
< 1426545658 646495 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is there a user mode such that when receiving a message, the sender's hostmask indicates whether they're identified to Nickserv or not?
< 1426545678 358214 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't know if +R does it?
< 1426545687 565864 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably not)
< 1426545703 661222 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+R filters out the messages from unidentified users; I don't really want that.
< 1426545707 788052 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+D might possibly be useful for bots that only announce, in order to reduce how much data is needed
< 1426545718 776073 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Then probably there isn't one
< 1426545730 860579 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you can check if they are cloaked from the hostname at least
< 1426545743 95279 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1426545744 729067 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not all identified clients are cloaked, such as, I am not
< 1426545753 424141 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor I.
< 1426545821 462396 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there is a way to know that, but it's too long to fit on this margin
< 1426545822 896731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426545825 806128 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what cloaked means
< 1426545827 679427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ask me again tomorrow
< 1426545845 493630 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what Fermat said.
< 1426545855 183791 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Note timestamp: 23:46:12 int-e: ask me again tomorrow
< 1426545861 766099 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took him hella long to reincarnate as Andrew Wile.
< 1426545885 96430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: glogbot needs a clock adjustment hth
< 1426545906 740581 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, but it won't help if you ask while I'm asleep
< 1426545933 896313 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: it's Wiles. (Oh he's been knighted?)
< 1426545962 864741 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Who knows what feats your unconscious is capable of...
< 1426545995 826168 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like. Good for him, and Maths.
< 1426546027 800987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the problem isn't his unconscious hearing it, the problem is him remembering it after he wakes up hth
< 1426546036 897714 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
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< 1426546041 188925 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, Rolf Harrison was knighted.
< 1426546047 645683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*cleres@213.143.60.*
< 1426546047 646458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric cleres :Spamming
> 1426546047 656309 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1426546055 393902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*cuquitu@213.143.61.*
< 1426546055 394868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric cuquitu :Spamming
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< 1426546067 174455 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: That happened in 2000, but I don't recall reading about it anywhere.
< 1426546069 126064 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks ørjan
< 1426546073 780464 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hearing it? does he have an irc-to-voice bridge?
< 1426546095 740076 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we definitely have a bot problem in this chännel...
< 1426546106 709974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*@213.143.*
> 1426546106 720690 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1426546124 948984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2watson: you know that processors have all those funny emissions, some of them are audible.
< 1426546138 520454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor HackEgo is missing and glogbot needs a time adjustment hth
< 1426546138 521155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1426546153 5215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*cleres@213.143.60.*
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< 1426546154 435625 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2watson: see http://www.tau.ac.il/~tromer/acoustic/ for example
< 1426546161 586966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*cuquitu@213.143.61.*
> 1426546161 597434 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1426546223 899952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1426546223 910722 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1426546231 160508 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That link... Human ingenuity never ceases to amaze me.
< 1426546289 729485 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Seems like you could just play music while en/decrypting to fix that
< 1426546338 855305 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subtract the music with MUSAKHACKS.exe -subtrack
< 1426546344 348326 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would playing music actually work though? Music doesn't suppress other noise too isn't it?
< 1426546376 786235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hearing it? does he have an irc-to-voice bridge? <-- the unconscious is not limited by such considerations AUM hth
< 1426546385 76292 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if it would go beyond the threshold of what's recording.
< 1426546433 491005 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2watson: Doubtful. Besides filtering techniques, there's the possibility to filter audio by source location given several microphones spaced somewhat apart (all 8 corners of a server, perhaps?)
< 1426546468 508737 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a computer that shields the noise from the inside and has a built-in power regulator so that power analysis cannot be used either.
< 1426546498 22891 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a computer that contains a wide-band random noise generator
< 1426546504 967932 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2watson: http://www.wired.com/2010/10/super-microphone-picks-out-single-voice-in-a-crowded-stadium/
< 1426546590 277271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor actually it is there just failing to join the channel for some reason. again.
< 1426546590 278780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1426546637 684443 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426546643 127469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: often-more-responsive-than-Gregor-ping
< 1426546687 631851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pinky Another day. What shall we use it for?
< 1426546687 884046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think so, Brain, but it's a miracle that this one grew back.
< 1426546694 940336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops backwards
< 1426546700 781224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brain Another day. What shall we use it for?
< 1426546700 785187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Promise me something, Pinky. Never breed.
< 1426546710 255518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not for breeding, check
< 1426546821 715336 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. *!*@*.aq
< 1426546842 250906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: elliott hates penguins hth
< 1426546888 516137 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I see nothing that looks like it would include glogbot.
< 1426546927 37406 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426546978 185629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym HackEgo
< 1426547002 738180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: this is not new, it just seems to happen frequently on pingouts/server crashes/whatever
< 1426547014 33962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see.
< 1426547030 347256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie wins again
< 1426547067 585704 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426547079 215706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in luck, I just got home.
< 1426547081 791668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you've got your internet working enough you don't have to do that tethering-avoiding cell-phone dance any more
< 1426547088 260585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1426547097 713686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, we wouldn't have had fungot without that.
< 1426547098 39592 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cell phone dance?
< 1426547098 64397 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: later tell forcer there's a new revision eons ago but it seems that it's injected loads of users though?
< 1426547101 71735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yay
< 1426547110 672934 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on, wrong name again
< 1426547114 843801 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu NICK :oren
< 1426547117 203855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You seem to have me confused with a bot.
< 1426547117 539648 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: depends on how the program changes it. it prints ( list 1 2) ( scheme-report-environment 5))
< 1426547121 840742 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't expect to find anything, just thought it would be worth checking anyway.
< 1426547145 323903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: fizzie recently moved to london, and didn't have proper internet for a while, only cell phone
< 1426547158 815401 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1426547209 531419 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, fungot is our voice of reason. Sometimes it's even coherent!
< 1426547209 673530 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you will see something else is too small
< 1426547210 865095 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was he doing that thing where a cell phone acts as a router?
< 1426547234 979723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not doing that, because it's forbidden by my phone contract.
< 1426547240 824579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence I had to do circuitous things.
< 1426547261 434426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like move files from a computer into the phone in order to put them online, and so on.
< 1426547278 706641 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: you will see something else is too small << i don't think we should teach bots that kind of jokes. otherwise they might pass turing's test
< 1426547278 988543 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen__: what does that want to be misinterpreted by later generations... ahem... machine-readable format the other day."
< 1426547299 877855 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426547370 887856 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing test is bunk. I mean, if a 13yo Ukranian computer can pass it... Then we need another test.
< 1426547457 773119 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny
< 1426547473 148636 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time an AI problem is solved, people find that the rules were flawed. :P
< 1426547478 238171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason.
< 1426547478 445871 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i didn't see it, you can't get an apartment, so it doesn't allow general recursion.
< 1426547492 142086 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'fungot': fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason.
< 1426547497 484207 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm no exception to that. But I find it amusing nonetheless.)
< 1426547516 116430 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this goalpost is very important, int-e. We need to get it right.
< 1426547519 579315 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :au revoir fungot!
< 1426547519 887189 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and that would cause infinite loops on my vm/ compiler just shows me how much i dislike the concept of the system
< 1426547528 38347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been planning to add a fungot wisdom for a week but i couldn't think of what to put in the second part
< 1426547528 277268 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please dont read that wrong anyway.) in this portable scheme library? :) ( i'm sure i'll have some holidays within the next ten years" would be
< 1426547546 911988 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426547548 390467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks int-e
< 1426547548 738665 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise we might not feel good about the AI slaves we'll be having.
< 1426547549 915620 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, int-e. Thint-e.
< 1426547550 53329 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: chess are flawed. period.
< 1426547551 678654 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I need to get back on track. I've been neglecting my duties.
< 1426547552 179521 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, human like AI isn't even that useful
< 1426547564 796456 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: SIMILAR CHICKEN
< 1426547571 247911 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because humans are cheap
< 1426547579 417492 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently reading A fire into the deep by Vernor Vinge
< 1426547666 186182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Turing test is bunk. I mean, if a 13yo Ukranian computer can pass it... Then we need another test. <-- well _that_ test was bunk, it was artificially limited what the interrogators could ask.
< 1426547681 113470 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fire upon the deep?
< 1426547711 852353 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1426547729 370281 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I should have qualified that. But I still think some unlike Turing things will have to be added to make it more useful.
< 1426547747 716676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: i didn't see it, you can't get an apartment, so it doesn't allow general recursion. <-- yeah you're pretty much right about that.
< 1426547747 960939 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was a mutated ecoli, i just meant that i have absolutely no interest in doing so
< 1426547800 608213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : But this goalpost is very important, int-e. We need to get it right. <-- the AI problem will have been solved when humans are no longer the ones with the power to set the goalposts hth
< 1426547867 75424 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm for it. As long as they aren't I Have No Mouth twisted, then it can only beneficent mankind.
< 1426547868 765446 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah! the actual "AI problem" is to make it both practical and cheaper to use AI's for a given purpose than humans.
< 1426547869 691211 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: It's certain that Turing didn't have teenagers with a language barrier in mind when he designed his test(s). (Now I wonder whether any of the Judges could read and write Ukrainian...)
< 1426547959 165547 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular humans are easier to debug than AI's.
< 1426547975 872254 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!
< 1426547975 872907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: v @ ? .
< 1426547976 501140 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Percussive maintenance.
< 1426548020 894075 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1426548020 946162 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. What kind of drugs will an AI take?
< 1426548085 336199 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426548098 469540 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess maybe they'll have the skills to modify their own stake.
< 1426548109 917808 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :state*
< 1426548179 40867 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows.
< 1426548214 885560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there will be some special repetetive (or not) bitstreams that overexcite receptors connected to pleasure centers.
< 1426548261 905402 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, but they might want to be able to nuance what their pleasure is.
< 1426548262 633567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "My AI is addicted to music by Bach." )
< 1426548284 639583 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be profitable to use such AI?
< 1426548305 686562 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're lucky, we have All kinds of evolutionary buttons to push, AI's will be more focused at first.
< 1426548312 222741 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha.
< 1426548385 591226 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: "use"? It would be thrilling to exchange ideas with it, and enjoy the short period before AIs surpass us and are no longer interested in talking to us :P
< 1426548419 837036 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: More seriously, not all human endeavours are motivated by the prospect of profit.
< 1426548461 463283 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but an AI-dev team needs to get funding from somewhere?
< 1426548478 604586 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How commoly is setjmp used as a loop condition in a C code?
< 1426548495 878858 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how often as a loop condition when the loop body is empty?
< 1426548509 932109 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's academia, and there are hobbyists. And there are always people founding research in the hope of applying the resulting ideas elsewhere.
< 1426548520 780240 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/founding/funding/
< 1426548532 184474 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Um, I have never used it that way
< 1426548544 850604 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then
< 1426548564 202843 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only used it as the C version of "try"
< 1426548599 813269 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually using it as a loop condition with an empty loop body is the only way I have ever used it, and only in one program
< 1426548665 803919 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... on first return it exits right away
< 1426548688 344533 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :On second return it loops once then sets the jump again and exits
< 1426548726 260862 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1426548753 9968 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it allows you to go back to that place an unlimited number of times
< 1426548764 164902 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1426548890 864454 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is a Z-machine debugger.
< 1426548955 9300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why would you do that? if (setjmp(...)) { } and while (setjmp(...)) { } seem equivalent to me, since it's okay to use the same jmp_buf data several times...
< 1426548966 956666 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I have been told that it isn't OK
< 1426548986 89032 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I even used a while loop rather than just putting setjmp as a statement by itself.
< 1426549005 490248 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I don't otherwise care about the return value.
< 1426549075 331149 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errors and breakpoints can occur even in the middle of an instruction's execution, so the debugger checks if the program counter has changed, if it hasn't then it just returns to the program otherwise it longjmp before continuing execution.
< 1426549221 760679 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc39-189.rentec.com QUIT :
< 1426549352 292966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So reading the C11 and C99 drafts I see no indication that this is problematic. The case is not explicitly mentioned. POSIX defers to the C standard...
< 1426549434 863286 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Well, maybe, but someone else told me that it isn't allowed to reuse the same jump buffer, so I did this just to be safe anyways
< 1426549596 646295 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-67-232-56-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1426549624 547965 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now I made up a new keyword of Magic: the Gathering called "spellmorph"; it can be faced up for its spellmorph cost while on the stack or in play, but if faced up while in play in this way, it is moved onto the top of the stack. Either way, targets and modes are now selected at this time.
< 1426549671 205951 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it is faced up while already on the stack, it remains in its current position instead of being placed on top. However, if it also has float, you can then move it to the top.)
< 1426549691 362798 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like that?
< 1426549726 840147 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there's always the question of what compilers do in practice, which may be more important than what the standard says. But I'd still like to have a better source than "somebody on the internet told me that somebody told him that this is bad".
< 1426549761 957484 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, that would help to know, although whether it is OK or not, what I did is safe.
< 1426549790 902503 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly it is OK on some computers and not on others.)
< 1426549922 235933 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but some fascists will use the fact it isn't ok to make the whole program return immediately
< 1426549956 957588 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if it works i'm guessing it's ok
< 1426550072 297587 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect it probably is OK in most cases (although possibly messes with some optimizations?), but am not sure, and possibly it might not work if compiling C->Java or whatever
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< 1426550353 754484 :zzo38_!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net NICK :zzo38
< 1426550413 573605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm. What kind of drugs will an AI take? <-- i think they'd be on the wire
< 1426550447 484957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*under
< 1426550464 964233 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't wait for that one. Poor Kzinthi, though.know I misspelled that.
< 1426550489 235585 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I googled some more; I still think it's okay per the standard (and I've seen several people come to the same conclusion), but as said earlier, it's possible that some implementations get this wrong. I also found https://www.securecoding.cert.org/confluence/display/c/MSC22-C.+Use+the+setjmp%28%29,+longjmp%28%29+facility+securely which has some nice examples (but doesn't mention double use of...
< 1426550495 214510 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...set_jmp buffers either, except in a comment)
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< 1426550778 64678 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 QUIT :Quit: Going, going, gone.
< 1426550857 872184 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in case some implementations don't allow reusing the same buffer, that's why I did the way I did it! Otherwise I don't need a loop and can just use setjmp as a statement by itself. I don't know much about some VM such as Java VM to know whether or not such a thing requires it when compiling C->JVM or C->Dalvik or whatever.
< 1426550950 751763 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426550960 260254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: *-h
< 1426551003 992950 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, thanks.
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< 1426552105 307203 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1426552707 142248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1426554295 71548 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1426554524 547577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott I have too many __s <-- more like you're not logged in to your account; technically you can be even if you're not currently using a nick registered to it
< 1426554524 668708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1426554560 417806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION briefly wonders if elliott__ will never see that message because he'll never lose the _s
< 1426554685 294721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott iirc there's a syntax for including the account name in the server password for this
< 1426554685 295424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1426559206 764076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : As long as it isn't any .. what'stherename ... Thetans... it's fine. <-- this is #esoteric. we have Multiocularoans.
< 1426559227 256990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e As long as it isn't any .. what'stherename ... Thetans... it's fine. <-- this is #esoteric. we have Multiocularoans.
< 1426559227 258686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1426559396 373557 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do they live in a matrix of solidity?
< 1426559488 472441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we do.
< 1426559493 89264 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> replicate 10 'ꙮ'
< 1426559499 331826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was well established.
< 1426559525 366562 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> replicate 10 'ꙮ'
< 1426559526 330989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:15:
< 1426559526 452800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at character '\STX'
< 1426559543 374955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 'ꙮ'
< 1426559544 419312 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+0027 APOSTROPHE] [U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] [U+0027 APOSTROPHE]
< 1426559552 637946 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426559561 528648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1426559565 969963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 'Ø'
< 1426559567 262559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\216'
< 1426559573 677944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 'ꙮ'
< 1426559574 939101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\42606'
< 1426559582 867611 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes but
< 1426559585 571769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you still had some bolding
< 1426559592 991669 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea where that's coming from
< 1426559594 460804 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt know whether they did
< 1426559603 395172 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if so, is it the same one
< 1426559603 434307 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bizarre
< 1426559605 88081 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426559617 903373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we may never know.
< 1426559714 211192 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's an issue with my client. :|
< 1426559779 620264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you copied and pasted that from somewhere...
< 1426559971 485113 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cat . map (text . pure . chr) $ replicate 10 42606
< 1426559972 620576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮ
< 1426559974 409287 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better
< 1426560099 339926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> replicate 10 '\42606'
< 1426560100 369659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\42606\42606\42606\42606\42606\42606\42606\42606\42606\42606"
< 1426560109 584261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT
< 1426560119 320990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t cat
< 1426560120 97316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Doc] -> Doc
< 1426560125 581380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1426560132 887544 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle cat
< 1426560133 111256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ cat :: [Doc] -> Doc
< 1426560133 112337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.PrettyPrint cat :: [Doc] -> Doc
< 1426560133 112386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language.Haskell.TH.PprLib cat :: [Doc] -> Doc
< 1426560146 21842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text $ replicate 10 '\42606'
< 1426560147 122458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮ
< 1426560155 81638 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that would be easier
< 1426560193 490908 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was still thinking about this discussion in #haskell that required all that extra work :D
< 1426560388 954084 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nest 10 . text $ replicate 10 '\42606'
< 1426560390 44562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮ
< 1426560399 620545 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. I'm going to have to use this library more often.
< 1426560459 675666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :last i checked it didn't support table grids, though.
< 1426560482 602916 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww
< 1426560498 229595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you can combine either horizontal or vertical, but not both simultaneously
< 1426560512 404028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that combines widths
< 1426560542 140428 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t hang
< 1426560542 975814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doc -> Int -> Doc -> Doc
< 1426560575 956967 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang (text '\42606') 5 (text '\42607')
< 1426560585 503480 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hang (text '\42606') 5 (text '\42607')
< 1426560586 544774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type ‘GHC.Types.Char’ with ‘[GHC.Types.Char]’
< 1426560586 619143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: GHC.Base.String
< 1426560586 619812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: GHC.Types.CharCouldn't match type ‘GHC.Types.Char’ with ‘[GHC...
< 1426560595 591251 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh
< 1426560606 280178 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hang (text "\42606") 5 (text "\42607")
< 1426560607 418940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ꙮ ꙯
< 1426560610 683495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm does lambdabot have OverloadedString
< 1426560613 347401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s
< 1426560618 879817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "test" :: Text
< 1426560619 788959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Text’
< 1426560626 929579 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hang "\42606" 5 "\42607"
< 1426560627 917488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not that Text
< 1426560627 918144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ.Doc’
< 1426560627 918204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[GHC.Types.Char]’Couldn't match expected type ...
< 1426560627 918234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[GHC.Types.Char]’
< 1426560632 95757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "test" :: Doc
< 1426560633 98262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ.Doc’
< 1426560633 98963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[GHC.Types.Char]’
< 1426560637 963517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1426560660 854683 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hang "\42606" 20 "\42607"
< 1426560661 960257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type ‘Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ.Doc’
< 1426560661 960953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[GHC.Types.Char]’Couldn't match expected type ...
< 1426560661 961011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ‘[GHC.Types.Char]’
< 1426560666 262089 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hang (text "\42606") 20 (text "\42607")
< 1426560667 376648 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ꙮ ꙯
< 1426560671 520278 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hang (text "\42606") 20 (text "\42606")
< 1426560672 489199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ꙮ ꙮ
< 1426560694 474810 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sep
< 1426560695 209083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Doc] -> Doc
< 1426560708 518134 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1426560765 412722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too short to wrap?
< 1426560821 975033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there's some config to change the max width
< 1426560963 903715 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "for" <> space <> lparen <> semi <> semi <> rparen <> space <> lbrace <> rbrace
< 1426560965 13149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (;;) {}
< 1426560979 181393 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twinbeard.com/kickstarter-simulator-2015
< 1426561014 134132 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frog Fractions was great
< 1426561208 749092 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1426564096 120986 :zzo38!~zzo38@d108-180-163-75.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1426564114 191228 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426564357 446144 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1426564490 925021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie no wiki bridge hth
< 1426564490 962213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1426564698 583480 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1426565790 203281 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426571764 615245 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a16c:83db:7216:9763 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1426571791 353729 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a16c:83db:7216:9763 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426573009 473365 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "for" <> space <> lparen <> semi <> semi <> rparen <> space <> lbrace <> text "puts" <> lparen <> quote <> text "Hello, world!" <> quote <> rparen <> rbrace
< 1426573010 686111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘quote’
< 1426573010 687731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1426573010 688446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘quot’ (imported from Prelude),
< 1426573027 737209 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "for" <> space <> lparen <> semi <> semi <> rparen <> space <> lbrace <> text "puts" <> lparen <> text "\"Hello, world!\"" <> rparen <> semi <> rbrace
< 1426573028 975385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (;;) {puts("Hello, world!");}
< 1426573035 75923 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1426573035 806679 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1426573281 680328 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1426573845 622048 :igor!~igor@188.162.229.36 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426574958 286704 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Quit: byeannes
< 1426575450 867018 :igor!~igor@188.162.229.36 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1426577279 524109 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426577486 302988 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426577486 457472 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1426578462 914312 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1426578475 977490 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1426578480 819738 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, crisus isn't here anymore
< 1426578495 543607 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's crisus
< 1426578516 287072 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spam bot on this channel.
< 1426578544 58910 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1426578587 412564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i banned a couple and their ip
< 1426578614 628056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ip range
< 1426580089 70088 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1426580136 765096 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426580231 228376 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
< 1426580291 197525 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good mroing
< 1426580823 510098 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1426581098 595219 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426581123 427161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Mornight
< 1426581952 781765 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1426583113 249822 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good moaning
< 1426583120 901106 :S1!~S1@p4FF92B95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426583358 497684 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy st patricks day
< 1426584625 670184 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1426585447 993169 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8461586176/h50B14538/
< 1426587707 690694 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426587871 430677 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1426587871 598267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
< 1426588344 144083 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what should I have for breakfast?
< 1426588344 436575 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ( line 1, column 4): ( cerr nl)) is a term
< 1426588367 381464 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, cereal, you say?
< 1426588367 382121 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so i need
< 1426588376 167939 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think fungot needs cereal
< 1426588376 328761 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ct is a fun scheme implementation for php...)
< 1426588923 200685 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. feeding botsnacks to the fungot?
< 1426588923 409551 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: will it be as disgusting as it sounds, if that something else, ideally something else concrete or specific? :) i've played with meroon a bit.
< 1426588945 77606 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hey, don't diss the Tanebcereals!
< 1426588945 408069 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ok then stop whining about it missing things like http://foo/ bar-baz' fnord. apparently he uses to stress-test syntax-rules implementations. it's been shown to be useful
< 1426588959 388749 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: OKAY
< 1426588959 650076 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the proc is invoked. before or after the evaluator transfers control to a certain class of anime characters with long hair and loud music
< 1426589131 972562 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, dipense cereal.\
< 1426589132 177088 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: i wonder how long it took psyntax to load it.) here's a program i have in the in-memory cache at one time
< 1426589168 373740 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T NEED THE SOFTWARE. i NEED THE HARDWARE.
< 1426589525 585636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426589546 999571 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hello, fungot!
< 1426589547 281107 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no one develops or really even uses the client anymore... all i wanted to link it and solaris's linker rejects a.out.
< 1426589549 658630 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen you in a while
< 1426589564 942473 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad you found your way back safe, fungot
< 1426589565 204805 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that's great. maybe it needs some more comments, but the
< 1426589577 421267 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I hope you enjoyed your vacation as much as I have
< 1426589577 545174 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: with improvements. just be uniform about it. what's it like?
< 1426589595 993320 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: a week long, no new snow but enough remaining on the pistes
< 1426589596 244353 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no, but i don't want such a target for codegen. i've done enough of this bickering. en guard, neil!
< 1426589643 500742 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot and b_jonas sitting in a tree, kay eye es es eye en gee...
< 1426589643 739692 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: and when you do ( nth-value 1 ( function)). the primitive operations of a turing machine was an ad-hoc, fnord bug-ridden slow implementation of half of common lisp.
< 1426589644 126871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, fungot is here
< 1426589644 254787 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think you have to follow that route too probably, but it does no fingerprints at all,
< 1426589651 368308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ais523 is here
< 1426589653 134635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is AndoDaan, as is b_jonas
< 1426589688 305709 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weetoflakes
< 1426589690 263365 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weetoflakes are something Taneb invented; they taste sort of purple.
< 1426589876 778259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I just got spam in French, and I could actually read enough of it to see that it was in a typical spam form
< 1426589942 760485 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooooh! can I get a copy?
< 1426590021 626816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mes sincères salutations et mes excuses à votre égard. Je voudrais m'excuser de mon intrusion dans votre vie privée. Je me nomme Mme Patricia Konan , Cadre au Département de la Comptabilité à Ecobank Côte d'Ivoire. Un compte a été ouvert au sein de notre banque en 2005 et depuis 2011, aucune opération ne s'est effectuée. Ce compte présente à ce jour dans nos livres, un compte créditeur de Huit Millions Cinq Cent Mille €uros ( 8.500.
< 1426590023 55261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :000 €). Après avoir consulté tous les dossiers relatifs à ce compte, je me suis rendue compte que je pouvais disposer aisément de cet argent si je réussissais à le virer sur un compte à l'extérieur donc je suis à la recherche d'un partenaire serieux et honnête."
< 1426590028 590390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can go on if you like
< 1426590039 204292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the second sentence struck me as a typical spam opening
< 1426590057 966503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because it's saying "you don't know who I am or why I'm contacting you, that's expected"
< 1426590079 499087 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Come with me if you want to live"?
< 1426590090 345645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most non-English spam I get is in Russian
< 1426590099 554161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan: I translated it as "I'd like you to forgive me for intruding into your private life"
< 1426590117 993933 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a few spam in strange languages, but I don't recall any in French
< 1426590118 719469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my French is not nearly as good as that of the actual French people here, though
< 1426590127 671766 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well French isn't exactly a strange language
< 1426590161 223541 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1426590170 838805 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oui.
< 1426590179 396172 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.188.67.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I know french.
< 1426590252 424442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what proportion of your spam is in Hungarian, incidentally?
< 1426590259 762326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. are spambots any good at guessing native languages?)
< 1426590369 351147 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I get some Hungarian spam... let me think, it's not easy to tell because I don't collect spam and rarely look at them
< 1426590433 970466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my spam filter for my nethack4.org address runs client-side
< 1426590448 702804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although there have been no false positives yet, I check my spam folder every now and then
< 1426590459 183665 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get some academic spam ("Dear Professor", call for papers, conference invitation, invited to LinkedIn and whatever) which is all in English (duh)
< 1426590495 595209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you an academic?
< 1426590503 738810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some Hungarian spam I get, but I think half of them is from companies I have actually been in contact with
< 1426590544 689653 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what counts as an academic? I have maths publications, and the spambots don't ask for a PhD degree (which I haven't got yet)
< 1426590558 312295 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they definitely don't require any higher rank or diploma
< 1426590571 166532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: any paper in any journal is enough, I think
< 1426590573 809308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this purpose
< 1426590619 259090 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1426590671 275822 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it seems I have at least some spam in serbo-croatian (in latin letters), some chinese language spam
< 1426590679 656406 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one that looks like italian to me, but let me check
< 1426590761 731184 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, this says "Por favor" so it's either Portugese or Spanish
< 1426590978 783713 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, multiple spam in croatian language for some reason
< 1426591043 303511 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "Por favor" one is Portugese because it has -ção
< 1426591129 139668 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: IMMINENT CHICKEN
< 1426591210 777770 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got quite some Hungarian spam but it comes mostly from the same few companies that I have once contacted
< 1426591231 506450 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ones that collect email addresses and then send ads forever
< 1426591240 955077 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those don't bother me much because they're easy to filter
< 1426591548 414482 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1426592885 904317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How would you even eat cereal?
< 1426592885 957873 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not sure how to do the gules fish.
< 1426592900 133691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I always forget that one.
< 1426592900 134504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1426593206 372642 :cleres!~cleres@84.78.18.51 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1426599858 251373 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i insane for thinking that a functional programming language without proper support for recursion is a dumb idea? :/
< 1426599890 170368 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, account cleres is a spambot.
< 1426599933 173814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: evidence? PMs?
< 1426599940 706294 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1426599957 120214 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automatic spam PM in Spanish with an obfuscated link as soon as I messaged the channel.
< 1426599967 35040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get one
< 1426599978 214260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, now I did
< 1426599981 94594 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :ais523
> 1426599981 422188 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1426599986 813408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 KICK #esoteric cleres :spambot
< 1426599987 25260 :cleres!~cleres@84.78.18.51 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426600005 29711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 KICK #esoteric cleres :spambot
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< 1426600015 261957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1426600033 526056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric +b :*!*@84.78.18.51
> 1426600033 536787 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1426600049 255203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 KICK #esoteric cleres :I don't have a better default kick reason, but if you're being kicked, you should know why
< 1426600079 356828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric -o :ais523
> 1426600079 367824 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1426600100 677409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of spambot rejoins that quickly after kicks anyway
< 1426600106 926700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when there'll clearly be an op watching
< 1426600308 997447 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who the hell even wastes time spamming IRC anymore for that matter?
< 1426600641 987838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, spam is cheap
< 1426601155 692176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1426601254 813846 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gules? gules as in heraldrish for red?
< 1426601407 31190 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a16c:83db:7216:9763 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1426612909 632479 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
< 1426613550 674768 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1426614968 693176 :Soni!~SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426614987 71399 :Soni!~SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's this language called Lua, it's pretty standard stuff
< 1426615002 516417 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of that once or thirtice
< 1426615022 632236 :Soni!~SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I had an idea for an esoteric language which I shall call "verticallua" https://gist.github.com/SoniEx2/0175fb380a96317f6761
< 1426615075 471699 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just the transpose of Lua?
< 1426615126 701764 :Soni!~SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's vertical lua, yes
< 1426615184 93781 :Soni!~SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace is significant as it behaves both as syntactic separator (just like in normal lua) and padding
< 1426615199 397194 :Soni!~SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(idk any programming language that requires padding)
< 1426615237 620443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426615624 401049 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soni: does it count as padding when fortran and some assembly languages require space between the label and instruction fields, even if the label is not present?
< 1426615658 841104 :Soni!~SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1426615661 585741 :Soni!~SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :padding is like
< 1426615670 610265 :Soni!~SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all lines must be X bytes in length
< 1426615683 972455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, like any language on punched cards?
< 1426615692 597030 :Soni!~SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh I guess
< 1426615812 748893 :Soni!~SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't think of that :P
< 1426616272 866394 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dexdhxuxcmllxets QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1426616474 261625 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com NICK :qlktea
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< 1426617089 709820 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1426617130 185226 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426617485 679653 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nwswgjyamvjawkox JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1426618309 659851 :qlktea!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com NICK :qlkzy
< 1426618321 698003 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :such silliness, space based cloud computing...
< 1426618537 909732 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: enlighten me
< 1426618538 169724 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: collections are the greatest of three numbers x, y, z, r fnord rgb r, g, d, e
< 1426618564 348250 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, I'll have to meditate on that
< 1426618650 935816 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꚜъ
< 1426618652 926603 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+A69C - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: ea 9a 9c UTF-16BE: a69c Decimal: ꚜ \ ꚜ (ꚜ) \ Uppercase: U+A69C \ Category: Cn (Other, Not Assigned) \ \ U+044A CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER HARD SIGN \ UTF-8: d1 8a UTF-16BE: 044a Decimal: ъ \ ъ (Ъ) \ Uppercase: U+042A \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-t
< 1426622131 997967 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426622967 760606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1426624147 955926 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.drmichaeljoyner.com/identical-twins-genetic-destiny/
< 1426624325 884300 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, that was for another chan
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< 1426627914 642642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warning: Can't delete Permanent tag Canon:TimeZone" grumble frumble exiftool.
< 1426627954 926700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Didn't set the camera time zone at all, trying to fix it retroactively; exiftool can shift the timestamp itself just fine, but can't remove the timezone tags.)
< 1426628075 520702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can edit the TimeZone field, but "Warning: Can't convert Canon:TimeZoneCity (not in PrintConv)".
< 1426628104 276603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently it didn't edit Canon:TimeZone either.
< 1426628114 722663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, hopefully no program is trying to be clever enough to parse that field.
< 1426628430 252795 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1426632386 546583 :Koen__!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
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< 1426634839 414853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426635019 624972 :satbuddhi!~satbuddhi@186-107-229-47.baf.movistar.cl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426635093 60277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome satbuddhi
< 1426635095 691650 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04satbuddhi: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13 hi
< 1426637279 19034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like they insisted on using vowels to tell what palatalization the consonants are, but didn't have the sense to switch altogether to cyrillic
< 1426637414 378803 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyrrilicized Irish, Japonic Norwegian, oh my!
< 1426637443 912174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wikipedia has very few relevant hits on boily. are you related to david (also canadian)?
< 1426637482 276366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes names have a nice article or at least disambiguation with etymology and stuff
< 1426637482 568428 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426637506 813977 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? there's a David in my extended family, but he isn't a Boily.
< 1426637538 599439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Boily also from quebec
< 1426637712 246018 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'd be very extremely surprised hearing of a non-Québécois Boily.
< 1426637745 481874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this claims it's a french name https://www.houseofnames.com/Boily-history?A=54323-292
< 1426637837 202539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, i'm starting to get skeptical to the irish claim http://forebears.io/surnames/boily
< 1426637873 279137 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I'm having an existential crisis...
< 1426637880 796790 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's French???
< 1426637882 8588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops
< 1426637883 15206 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAH!
< 1426637892 790341 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help me regain identity! or composition!
< 1426637892 893712 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: do you use
< 1426637904 665624 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I DON'T KNOW! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
< 1426637904 829408 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i will still have the semantics for it are defined if it does. ( string-number " 5"
< 1426637930 156685 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: according to the oracle, I'm string-number "5". why...
< 1426638003 432497 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.156 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426638094 301489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it definitely seems more common in canada
< 1426638204 398980 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin tiens.
< 1426638233 33215 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I know that Tremblay (my dad's side) is French. I checked the genealogy and stuff.
< 1426638269 653577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to check, just in case
< 1426638328 805520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This interesting name, recorded in Fifeshire, Scotland from the middle of the 13th Century, derives from the ..."
< 1426638331 677342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Tremblay#ixzz3Ugzwp3kt
< 1426638347 586734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1426638368 856755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copying from that page added an extra line...
< 1426638422 461901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sort of ruins my plans because now you can easily check it
< 1426638480 390205 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-67-232-56-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426638529 498052 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome vodkode
< 1426638531 351830 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04vodkode: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13 boily: the proc is invoked. before or after the evaluator transfers control to a certain class of anime characters with long hair and loud music
< 1426639408 854800 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there are very rarely places where you can define a local variable x. x
< 1426639410 964299 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1235) boily: the proc is invoked. before or after the evaluator transfers control to a certain class of anime characters with long hair and loud music
< 1426639443 846325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you should put that language on the wiki hth
< 1426639444 199932 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: h_________e______l_________l_________o_____,____ fnord! you send an email to the mailing list? if so, there you go
< 1426639453 608646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1426639453 609401 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1426639486 695055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map length $ group "h_________e______l_________l_________o_____,____"
< 1426639487 880756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,9,1,6,1,9,1,9,1,5,1,4]
< 1426639594 281089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i wonder why it didn't fnord that word
< 1426639700 987317 :iamevn!~evn@67.201.217.24 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1426639740 96581 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you should fnord more hth
< 1426639740 311338 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: any thoughts on how feasible extending a compiler would be similar to the one in my opinion syntactically as well
< 1426639746 181723 :iamevn!~evn@c-67-201-217-24.reshall.wwu.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426639837 585646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am confused.
< 1426639869 27123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word does not seem to appear even once in the material I think the style was trained on.
< 1426639878 379695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPOOOKY
< 1426639899 100657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, case-sensitive search.
< 1426639920 481119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears three times, said by EgoBot, in what looks like some sort of a hangman game.
< 1426639925 502531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1426639953 380497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/Aibi
< 1426639975 119762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fnorded the following word, because those are (probably) unique.
< 1426640057 507563 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnording a word?
< 1426640064 679490 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnording.
< 1426640080 413421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a word of utmost fnordinance
< 1426640111 911104 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1426640315 438439 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1426641132 5034 :satbuddhi!~satbuddhi@186-107-229-47.baf.movistar.cl QUIT :Quit: Saliendo
< 1426642908 309083 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1426643033 280097 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-67-232-56-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1426643174 384458 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426643175 185309 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-obwieomgobmkfeow JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426643459 150043 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: FAIRY CHICKEN
< 1426643506 283966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly oddchicken
< 1426643989 500884 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.156 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426643989 694391 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.156 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1426644563 728232 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1426645575 741497 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1426646321 384729 :organix!~user@fedora/isthebest JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426646328 157540 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.156 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426646333 42887 :darsie!~darsie@chello080108047045.34.11.vie.surfer.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426646345 721371 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426646364 227773 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1426646410 386640 :DarkPrincess!~DarkPrinc@unaffiliated/darkprincess JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426646416 914973 :DarkPrincess!~DarkPrinc@unaffiliated/darkprincess PRIVMSG #esoteric :p/p
< 1426646418 776028 :darsie!~darsie@chello080108047045.34.11.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1426646419 19593 :DarkPrincess!~DarkPrinc@unaffiliated/darkprincess PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1426646425 144570 :DarkPrincess!~DarkPrinc@unaffiliated/darkprincess PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi DarkPrincess
< 1426646427 609829 :DarkPrincess!~DarkPrinc@unaffiliated/darkprincess PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr darsie
< 1426646434 481317 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is everyone else?
< 1426646436 585742 :DarkPrincess!~DarkPrinc@unaffiliated/darkprincess PRIVMSG #esoteric :x3
< 1426646439 19635 :darsie!~darsie@chello080108047045.34.11.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi darsie ;)
< 1426646440 220632 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they all afk,
< 1426646449 499736 :organix!~user@fedora/isthebest PRIVMSG #esoteric :out doing magick
< 1426646464 954846 :darsie!~darsie@chello080108047045.34.11.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could ask your question.
< 1426646468 966336 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this really a channel about the occult?
< 1426646490 943713 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, my abusive biological father and stepmother were into weird shit
< 1426646515 138633 :Tiff_the_Amazing!~Tiffthe_A@c-71-196-163-175.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426646517 963960 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember one of the odd things they told me was that rocks have magical powers and that you can have a conversation with rocks if you really wanted to
< 1426646551 745701 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they had these weird brown pebbles (maybe little stones?) on top of their door frames
< 1426646580 504459 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand the meaning or significance of that.
< 1426646587 889185 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you explain it to me?
< 1426646596 444260 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe give me a link or something?
< 1426646903 324217 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know where you all came from but this is good
< 1426646904 581111 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome
< 1426646906 164108 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08 Is this really a channel about the occult? <-- no hth
< 1426647168 347158 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried looking it up, and I can't find anything on it
< 1426647172 80093 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't make them leave before they tell us where they came from
< 1426647192 566250 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm having a horrible day, why am i even talking in here)
< 1426647203 632536 :darsie!~darsie@chello080108047045.34.11.vie.surfer.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :goofygoobers: This chan seems to be about programming languages.
< 1426647225 958791 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They came from ##chanzilla
< 1426647235 403150 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a channel DarkPrincess started.
< 1426647278 319683 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Are there any occult related channels on here?
< 1426647282 872231 :DarkPrincess!~DarkPrinc@unaffiliated/darkprincess PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott__ :)
< 1426647292 307894 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not. freenode is mainly open source stuff
< 1426647293 463595 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.156 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426647299 291137 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1426647327 246494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't know of any good occult channels or we'd put it in that welcome message (the channel it has is mostly dead iirc)
< 1426647359 320516 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmhm
< 1426647379 831445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, if you all went there, maybe it wouldn't be.
< 1426647455 582081 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.156 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1426647503 731454 :Tiff_the_Amazing!~Tiffthe_A@c-71-196-163-175.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will remember this channel as it is also relevant to her interests
< 1426647523 609342 :darsie!~darsie@chello080108047045.34.11.vie.surfer.at PART #esoteric :"Dr. Chandra, will I dream?"
< 1426647643 915565 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one person!
< 1426647644 17860 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.156 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426647646 901700 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty good retention rate
< 1426647675 8756 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine that.
< 1426647742 914043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((::**)~^)((((:(((((((((((_)(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)(!^))~*^^S!)(:a(~^)*~(()(~(~(:a~*):^))(a))~*^^)):^(()~)~**~^(:)~((a(~^)*~**)~a)~a(**~:((:)~(*)**)~a*~(^))**a(~*^^^!!^)***(~)~a(~a*^:)**a(:)**~^!!!a(~^)*~**)~a((, )S:^)**^):^
< 1426647744 298911 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3, 13, 1113, 3113, 132113, 1113122113, 311311222113, 13211321322113, 1113122113121113222113, 31131122211311123113322113, 132113213221133112132123222113, 11131221131211132221232112111312111213322113, 31131122211311123113321112131221123113111231121123222113, 132113213221133112132123123112111311222112 ...out of time!
< 1426647770 381212 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to scare her off :p
< 1426647772 407773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a quick underload demonstration in the vague hope of bumping it up slightly
< 1426647799 381163 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, why are you so fungot?
< 1426647799 775916 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: buit this is the internet way. i actually own the game, actual code would help.
< 1426647821 412901 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1426647845 129352 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to see my boobs?
< 1426647868 543427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boobs are extremely off-topic hth
< 1426647891 112095 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. Not like I don't see boobs often.
< 1426647898 846917 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good humblebrag
< 1426647913 455862 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try.
< 1426647944 456094 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes or no?
< 1426647976 168332 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls don't link nudes in #esoteric if you are below the maximum of 18 and the age of consent in your area
< 1426647984 56996 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is more feelin' like some gay porno right now
< 1426647993 183474 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doing my job as an op :(
< 1426648000 642792 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Alas.
< 1426648017 846576 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty creepy reply
< 1426648020 785345 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 19
< 1426648048 897212 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/a/RFdtk
< 1426648056 221479 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.65.156 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1426648084 396875 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe this is going to be boobs
< 1426648090 845727 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. it was boobs
< 1426648092 768237 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Was it creepy?
< 1426648112 73635 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was expecting something a bit more trolly.
< 1426648124 120638 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's just my boobs
< 1426648125 946548 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1426648134 194139 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you guys might like them
< 1426648136 560647 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :goofygoobers: We're cynical internet people.
< 1426648141 854190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes a boob is just a boob
< 1426648145 998016 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not cynical! :(
< 1426648157 419205 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: You're one of the more cynical people I know.
< 1426648159 444867 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being cynical doesn't mean you can't like something
< 1426648169 53656 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just because i only say things in #esoteric when i'm in a bad mood -_-
< 1426648178 766221 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just means you're a party pooper
< 1426648180 265366 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that might be it
< 1426648205 911148 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/a/E7tHn
< 1426648458 374647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently freud never actually said that. also, he was _really_ addicted to smoking.
< 1426648464 814311 :goofygoobers!add1d386@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol
< 1426648487 538666 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And cocaine.
< 1426648493 607272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/08/12/just-a-cigar/
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< 1426652333 59497 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't hear the mosquito tone :(
< 1426652340 568125 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe my headphones are just bad
< 1426652461 640043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the mosquitos attack, you will be so hosed
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< 1426655067 366229 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touch your computer screen, Its warm like flesh but its not. Not yet
< 1426655130 697170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry but it is cold hth
< 1426655181 15976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION zombie computer
< 1426655187 776167 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh awesome that thing still updates.
< 1426655205 494832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1426655220 586356 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://windows95tips.com/
< 1426655224 166200 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1426655239 851697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh thx
< 1426655304 120298 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://windows95tips.com/post/34200923828 This is of course the one being referenced.
< 1426655315 42860 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1426655326 57585 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet they update it as a joke
< 1426655381 658796 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Neil Cicieraga. Somewhat dada Internet humor is, like, his thing.
< 1426655511 216477 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm am dying
< 1426655529 193460 :Tetrapyloctomy!~Sevr@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How have I never seen this before
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< 1426668773 644318 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly deeply grasps pipelining
< 1426668932 337515 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such is what procrastinating doing your laundry can teach you
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< 1426669765 220538 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there was a distributed version control system with a model simlar to subversion and its ease of use as well. Alas, that may be impossible.
< 1426669917 782540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, has anyone ever worked with the C api of svn? It seems to be well-designed but complicated. Is it difficult to use, or is it just that the description is scary at first?
< 1426669926 839611 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might want to try to use it in the future, that's why I'm asking.
< 1426670925 147440 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :subversion?
< 1426670940 992746 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOu'd probably have to get into functional relational databases, b_jonas
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< 1426679206 231915 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any wiki software that uses some version control system as the backend to store the history of its content?
< 1426679226 29322 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but I forgot what it's called
< 1426679233 934878 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen ones using git and darcs
< 1426679238 762880 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikiplia does that, and I thought at first it was weird, but now I'm starting to think using a version control system this way could be a good idea (or a very bad idea depending on how you're doing it).
< 1426679241 350137 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(different ones, not both at the same time)
< 1426679248 53590 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wikiplia uses cvs I think.)
< 1426679255 465605 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/gitit
< 1426679371 905143 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I see
< 1426679385 528488 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are almost certainly other alternatives available
< 1426679423 74029 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still asking that thing about the C api of svn.
< 1426680087 642439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's ikiwiki.
< 1426680097 170241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's somewhat version-control-system-agnostic.
< 1426680132 281429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least it officially supports git, svn, bzr, monotone, mercurial, darcs, tla, cvs.
< 1426680136 859388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ikiwiki.info/rcs/
< 1426680422 528500 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
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< 1426686207 964997 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Semi-quantum14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42142&oldid=42096 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+0) 10/* Setup */
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< 1426686267 571688 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Semi-quantum14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42143&oldid=42142 5* 03Mazeman 5* (+0) 10/* Define your own */
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< 1426688810 684113 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I finished my C neural networks library, but I think IEEE floating point is probably not a good way to load real-number data into a NN.
< 1426688873 877634 :Tiff_the_Amazing!~Tiffthe_A@c-71-196-163-175.hsd1.co.comcast.net PART :#esoteric
< 1426688927 695362 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the question becomes, what is a good way?
< 1426689067 975535 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps one input for the scale, on input for value?
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< 1426690003 269495 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is bad about it?
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< 1426690760 621481 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: mainly the fact it takes 64 inputs to input a real number as a double.
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< 1426690891 99987 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe we can train a layer to "compress" the data in the best way for the purpose
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< 1426691288 782128 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps real numbers should be provided to neurons as real numbers.
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< 1426691430 53247 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :DarkPrincess__: What are you doing?
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< 1426691511 531252 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( /ban DarkPrincess*!*@*$##fixyourconnection )
< 1426691547 703535 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: can you do the honors?
< 1426691569 325703 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I do that I'll forget to unban
< 1426691584 912801 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck
< 1426691588 773497 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a fixyourconnection ban there from
< 1426691595 131062 :elliott__!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 days ago
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< 1426691612 305393 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott
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< 1426691616 713999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -b :shikhin!*@*$##fixyourconnection
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< 1426691619 389226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott
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< 1426691674 871148 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I've tried that, it seems to have... problems
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< 1426691757 783648 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, when tring to capture functions with high complexity at, say 100 and 1, and low complexity around the other numbers
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< 1426691795 852262 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, /ignore DarkPrincess*!* JOINS PARTS QUITS does the trick, too.
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< 1426692124 663721 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm.... perhaps having a compression layer for double inputs (64 by 8 or so) is the best option
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< 1426695088 810425 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thatsmathematics.com/mathgen/paper.php?nameType[1]=famous&nameType[2]=famous&nameType[3]=famous&nameType[4]=famous&seed=1935868566&format=pdf
< 1426695107 257841 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey everyone, I'm having some trouble understanding one of the definitions in this paper.
< 1426695142 216641 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Suppose there exists a multiply Jacobi-Galileo right-Ramanujan-Descartes prime. We say an isometry F is projective if it is pseudo-almost everywhere free and co-Newton."
< 1426695151 302095 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean for an isometry to be "co-Newton"?
< 1426695402 728733 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice troll
< 1426695420 58261 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have uploaded it somewhere else
< 1426695477 803503 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should save one of these and email it to my co-workers as an example of somebody's amazing mathematical prowess.
< 1426695626 371471 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pseudo-almost everywhere", I think this is on topic here
< 1426695791 567054 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The goal of the present paper is to derive algebras."
< 1426695809 183376 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be good, but not as the first sentence of section 6 :)
< 1426695893 20590 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is also nice: lim sup sinh(0^2)
< 1426695955 774587 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1426696018 228374 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want this book: "A First Course in Pure Knot Theory"
< 1426696069 444697 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or this: Euclidean Model Theory
< 1426696097 407595 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I need to stop. One last one: "On the existence of sets"
< 1426696291 36351 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want that one
< 1426696493 383830 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426696617 262225 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Unfortunately, that one is only a paper.
< 1426696908 206087 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1426697297 697940 :_1_rohit13487!~42770045@117.244.92.123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1426697504 643534 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qbtktjgebalmorks JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1426704137 236753 :perrier!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe
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< 1426705277 949488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42144&oldid=40301 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+86) 10/* Knuth's Arrow Notation */ new section
< 1426705296 121199 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42145&oldid=42144 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+3) 10/* Knuth's Arrow Notation */
< 1426705325 717982 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42146&oldid=42145 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+93) 10/* Knuth's Arrow Notation */
< 1426705640 599764 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :lawseaker
< 1426705665 462971 :lawseaker!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
< 1426705702 415551 :lawspeaker!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :nortti
< 1426707034 399587 :goofygoobers!add1d491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.212.145 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426707038 587714 :goofygoobers!add1d491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.212.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1426707434 583067 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1426707522 484899 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426707558 767662 :goofygoobers!add1d491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.212.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello?
< 1426707570 473005 :goofygoobers!add1d491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.212.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hello?
< 1426707745 906764 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Hello?!
< 1426707746 12335 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: one unlambda, three intercals, and one contains twice as much happens. it does
< 1426707780 643575 :goofygoobers!add1d491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.212.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel crappy right now
< 1426708009 220234 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gello
< 1426708016 418765 :goofygoobers!add1d491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.212.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jello
< 1426708017 548306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem, goofy?
< 1426708030 511443 :goofygoobers!add1d491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.212.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: PMS
< 1426708057 687139 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1426708079 16243 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've lost Jiři Matoušek: http://kam.mff.cuni.cz/Matousek-obituary.html
< 1426708165 300363 :_AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.80.53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1426708733 112311 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426708761 126818 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, hello, nice tits
< 1426708774 559057 :goofygoobers!add1d491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.212.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Patashu
< 1426708778 971531 :goofygoobers!add1d491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.212.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who has nice tits?
< 1426708796 954215 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you or someone youposted the photos of
< 1426708807 703844 :goofygoobers!add1d491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.212.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1426708905 253827 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, his name is spelt Jiří Matoušek
< 1426708911 202795 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seems I'm not good in languages)
< 1426708936 757959 :goofygoobers!add1d491@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.212.145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens
< 1426709347 665244 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
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< 1426713498 739758 :oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu NICK :`oren
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< 1426713558 88866 :`oren!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu NICK :\oren\
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< 1426716396 772485 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426716679 176753 :naturalog!~naturalog@213.57.17.166 QUIT :Quit: sec
< 1426717032 439123 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: when will spring come?
< 1426717032 585403 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://code.eso-std.org/ c-intercal/ pit/ tests/ iffit2.b98
< 1426717055 204712 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ...?
< 1426717055 294256 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no, au contraire. it is also used for true, false
< 1426717062 838824 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brainfreezes
< 1426717516 815027 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Frog Fractions 2 giveaway! To make it more interesting we've removed one letter from the download code. C:\windows\s?stem32\freecell.exe"
< 1426718098 352898 :Soni!~SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1426718110 583410 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426719382 639425 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1426719515 47860 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ffffrog?
< 1426719515 184317 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think mzc will do it correctly you need to run.
< 1426719523 861464 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs!
< 1426719527 846331 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am I running?
< 1426719537 513061 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stops.
< 1426719606 167456 :monotone!~monotone@room208.org QUIT :Quit: rebooting server
< 1426719784 569862 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-hello.
< 1426719812 338380 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1426719987 683899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Доброылй вечер
< 1426719987 740287 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1426720053 737393 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: неплохо!
< 1426720073 435490 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426720795 804981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426721073 311761 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :доброржан пожаловать!
< 1426721102 501711 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm... shouldn't it have been доброгян?)
< 1426721398 709400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym доброрян
< 1426721412 256245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my r certainly isn't palatalized
< 1426721443 196548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although my dialect _does_ have some palatalized consonants, r is not one of them.
< 1426721542 781222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody google steals too many keypresses
< 1426721616 26734 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could google steal keypresses?
< 1426721617 551377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :would доброръян make sense?
< 1426721629 235544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well ^Z doesn't work to undo my typing
< 1426721638 878934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in google translate)
< 1426721678 176931 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-61.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426721706 784346 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :all words starting with добр... seem to be related to being good or kind.
< 1426721716 478736 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-61.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1426721721 817054 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1426721739 405562 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean ръ, not I don't think so
< 1426721771 649091 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not/no/
< 1426721785 242403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :добройлый вечер
< 1426721835 856697 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I thought of that as well, after my first attempy
< 1426721836 665360 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1426721869 816808 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which knowing you you might've seen in the logs. but perhaps not.)
< 1426721875 955065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait don't you actually know russian or something
< 1426721879 8661 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan sees all.)
< 1426721884 409909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't yet
< 1426721889 492603 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who? him?
< 1426721893 156865 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten most of what I learned.
< 1426721900 969007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, int-e
< 1426721914 717799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although feel free to impress me by knowing it as well
< 1426721985 100538 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I recall some useless phrases like "Я не понимаю по-русский."
< 1426722008 750023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't ... russian
< 1426722026 102684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's speak
< 1426722055 137986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah understand
< 1426722163 315449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And numbers, один два три четыре пять шесть семь восемь девять десять
< 1426722193 729120 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :speak would be "говарю"
< 1426722203 337987 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :понимаю is understand
< 1426722213 40333 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you got thawt
< 1426722216 12872 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that
< 1426722222 220935 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I got some numbers spelled incorrectly at first, google helped.)
< 1426722306 585364 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's little logic to all those ь... мягкий знак... whatever.
< 1426722425 110068 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does googling "мягкые знаки" turn up a youtube video with a Rubik's cube sceenshot?
< 1426722440 831907 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_kU_y07J5o
< 1426722455 920202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm it means the consonant is palatalized
< 1426722477 655655 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1426722479 749850 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, и not ы)
< 1426722499 362608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try that with an M
< 1426722540 601698 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ть are common, and actually I wasn't complaining about those.
< 1426722586 510141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i _think_ there's supposed to be an y-like sound after the m?
< 1426722616 779463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not very proficient at that though
< 1426722732 215742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dabblings have led me to the unanswered question of whether there is any difference between ш and сь
< 1426722852 766520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like they set up this nice system of showing palatization with vowels and then they completely break it with the fricatives
< 1426723242 718117 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1426723669 366187 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qbtktjgebalmorks QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1426723943 762150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20150319-mtv.jpg
< 1426723943 763932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1426724242 656432 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zktadtkonghaccwb JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426724656 816705 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426724759 640144 :iamevn!~evn@c-67-201-217-24.reshall.wwu.edu QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1426725061 320961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They're entirely different. ш is /ʃ/ while сь is /s'/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejective_consonant has a sample of the latter.
< 1426725094 504435 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so fortunately my first instinct was about right: s' starts out pretty much like a normal s)
< 1426725111 839891 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I wasn't certain enough about that to share that idea)
< 1426725225 695617 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night
< 1426725255 195159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :java still keeps blocking wikipedia's sound app :(
< 1426725266 165219 :\oren\!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1426725303 874231 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426725384 959921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e I am extremely skeptical at your ejective consonant claim, are you sure the ' you found was really meant as the proper ipa symbol?
< 1426725385 64539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1426725399 558319 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1426725438 42581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_phonology doesn't use that symbol
< 1426725522 504828 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Ru-%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%81%D1%8C.ogg
< 1426725536 132986 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere near /ʃ/
< 1426725550 864315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one
< 1426725559 752945 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :высь
< 1426725577 489020 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the page you just linked to
< 1426725581 583616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1426725606 391423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i basically cannot listen to any mediawiki sounds
< 1426725651 91806 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :[sʲ] is what they use there, mm.
< 1426725712 747873 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I really should sleep.
< 1426725756 605233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet dreams
< 1426725843 391081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ш is in the same spot as ж then i think i get a better idea, the latter is supposedly slightly retroflexy
< 1426725870 18078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it says retroflex on the ipa link
< 1426725881 812102 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you retroflexy?
< 1426725882 175926 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well then. how's the implementation?') on channel in case am being ignored, since i don't think
< 1426725901 476843 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes you think.
< 1426725901 552105 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that was a bit of predicates
< 1426725908 89299 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: touché.
< 1426725908 443052 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the whole point of standards is fnord? ( i never used modems as file storages! type `/msg egobot !hangman word
< 1426725915 244875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ш is supposedly about the same as norwegian rs
< 1426725959 482981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah fungot has detected the true evil of standards
< 1426725959 725659 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe you?)) for fnord and fnord." and by " right thing"
< 1426725959 726658 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you got me trying to pronounce an «r» at the same place as a ш. it's not a good feeling.
< 1426725980 467989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: um rs is _not_ a trill in norwegian hth
< 1426725997 880880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an honest-to-goodness retroflex fricative
< 1426725999 647775 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? “rs” is a digraph?
< 1426726003 647375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1426726011 402902 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shudders
< 1426726017 459982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r+dental generally means retroflex in norwegian
< 1426726031 972631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes even across word boundaries
< 1426726072 550430 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday I learned that I'm French, and today you're telling me that retroflexes spill across boundaries. we live in a mad world.
< 1426726124 675005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1426726146 471591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the plus side, that's about the only sandhi/liaison norwegian has
< 1426726153 585821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1426726285 141788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: norwegian has many digraphs. gj, kj, sj, even a trigraph: skj (same sound as sj)
< 1426726348 829922 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sings «gje gje gje gje ♪»
< 1426726349 923966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sk may count too, it's also the same sound in front of some vowels/diphthongs
< 1426726372 235507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's exactly how it's pronounced
< 1426726382 222383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :may also be written just j
< 1426726392 386047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just g in front of the same vowels
< 1426726432 342417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a general feature of the combinations ending in j
< 1426726505 442712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not big on unique spelling of phonemes
< 1426726695 667287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly tests that his own dialect also sandhis palatalization
< 1426726713 455196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not a feature of the norwegian that's taught to foreigners
< 1426726726 583296 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sandhi tte nani?
< 1426726741 237310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: wat
< 1426726754 513134 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is sandhi?
< 1426726798 515159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a term from sanskrit
< 1426726825 550167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that language is supposedly even fiercer than french at making phonology cross word boundaries
< 1426726864 945860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandhi
< 1426726929 21936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :french "liaison" is a subset
< 1426727046 704227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it also covers things inside words
< 1426727086 540333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess norwegian has some more of that
< 1426727172 949562 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... So japanese rendaku is included
< 1426727181 67248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just about to mention that
< 1426727265 537305 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :French liaison is strangely logical, and goes with the actually written spelled letters.
< 1426727358 324758 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only the french would put ' whereever letters aren't said, that would be great
< 1426727413 655308 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like je parl' tu parl'
< 1426727470 426039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nic' idea
< 1426727513 282977 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A'tho' not that english has any ri't telling french what to do in that regard
< 1426727551 624394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bless you
< 1426727593 41524 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously I can't think of a word in which 'gh' is pronounced
< 1426727612 578740 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, rite, the word laff!
< 1426727701 354390 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, 'laugh' which is not /læug/)
< 1426727777 533070 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good moderate spelling reform would be to respell all words containing 'gh'
< 1426727836 113350 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except benghazi and other legitimately foreign words)
< 1426727952 896369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1426728012 712522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@cl-394.sto-01.se.sixxs.net QUIT :Changing host
< 1426728012 718046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426728099 7286 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch'parl', tsu parl', i parl', a parl', on parl', vous parlez, i parl'.
< 1426728120 10903 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably «vou parlé» if you're going to be phonetic.)
< 1426728146 176311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsu? a?
< 1426728172 258807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not making a good argument for making french spelling phonetic :P
< 1426728218 950331 :v4s!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1426728219 158067 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brite gost ruffly laffed at the eity hi firefiters
< 1426728222 923229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea what "a" is supposed to be
< 1426728252 878611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok unless you're crazy enough to pronounce elle that way
< 1426728298 365941 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :muah ah ah ah ah.
< 1426728313 457442 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's informally pronounced that way.
< 1426728328 174252 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the words tho and thru are already standard spellings
< 1426728376 394420 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: /se.skæ.lɑ.dzi/ ← “that's what she said”
< 1426728379 158668 :v4s!v4s@we.are.on.the.internet.plzdonthack.us JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426728384 904728 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1426728423 960020 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/oren/oerjan/, but I guess oren fits too.
< 1426728449 69874 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ce est que l'elle dit?
< 1426728499 68113 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I get that right?
< 1426728503 404857 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426728507 328159 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«c'est ce qu'elle a dit», but close enough.
< 1426728509 400738 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/right/rite/
< 1426728542 472934 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enuff
< 1426728599 735576 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the /l/ in there is liaison between «elle» and «a». if it hadn't been there, it would've been /se.skæˑ.dzi/ «c'est ce qu'elle dit».
< 1426728658 565196 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feendish
< 1426728710 315968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :devadehosa
< 1426728725 962155 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a devadehosa?
< 1426728740 468459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dævadæhosa
< 1426728788 758119 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oerjan is speaking in tongues again. care to translate?
< 1426728789 83526 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: very cool. fpga). fnord) some kind of pervert. " let out your inner perl programmer!
< 1426728812 420292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good, except the perl
< 1426728816 164734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1426728881 77088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i merely translated your phrase to my dialect. after a brief detour through some other dialect because i couldn't remember my own hth also it's stressed on the o
< 1426728932 163437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it may possibly be my grandparents')
< 1426728948 730020 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print"this is a regex matching itself"if($i~=s/(??{$i})/)
< 1426728987 862736 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles oren for public indecency
< 1426729015 390476 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's what your grandmother said.
< 1426729036 376013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :devadehofarmorsa
< 1426729318 687 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so we have fite-fought, buy-bought, seek-sought, and teach-taught. What the hell is this somewhat-regular insanity
< 1426729341 630557 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fight
< 1426729377 619498 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we'd spell them fot, bot, sot, and tot respectively?
< 1426729475 395631 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ring-rang-rung, sing-sang-sung, bring-brang-brung...
< 1426729500 728550 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brot
< 1426729512 899950 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring. (borang, borung :P)
< 1426729549 544419 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P:
< 1426729562 1193 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do that, my tongue's not long enough.
< 1426729595 612582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :proto-indoeuropean was a badass language
< 1426729618 239465 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: based on phonology alone, even
< 1426729628 792964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1426729633 117359 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(French verbs are regular too! devoir-dû, avoir-eu, lire-lu, mouvoir-mu, pouvoir-pu, savoir-su, taire-tu, voir-vu...)
< 1426729654 809391 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/mu/mû/)
< 1426729664 690112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: but you can't blame those on PIE so much
< 1426729701 32569 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drive drove driven dive dove divven?
< 1426729701 690493 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my feeling is that pouvoir and voir can be easily traced back to PIE without too many changes.
< 1426729717 556723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a time traveller took french back and it eventually turned into PIE
< 1426729732 167709 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drive driven, gave given, it's dangerous to stay ♪
< 1426729743 557771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: well sure, but the fact they're that irregular in french isn't really PIE's fault
< 1426729751 671742 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :potere
< 1426729756 554929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike sing/sang/sung
< 1426729764 243990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: potesse, actually
< 1426729766 947038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1426729768 535335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*posse
< 1426729776 518164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1426729781 412674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look it up
< 1426729808 420226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/possum#Latin
< 1426729811 861300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :posse was right
< 1426729833 20065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah it was irregular in latin but french turned it up a notch
< 1426729852 877717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :voir wasn't really that irregular though
< 1426729858 917133 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way only two verbs in Japanese are irregular
< 1426729862 726884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok maybe a little
< 1426729886 901685 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a16c:83db:7216:9763 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1426729889 622860 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately they are very common verbs
< 1426729912 855021 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a16c:83db:7216:9763 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426729914 319939 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoir and être have endless resources of fun! syncretism for the win!
< 1426729935 958408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think avoir was entirely regular in latin
< 1426729981 111482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/habeo
< 1426729982 997202 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :j'ai, j'aurai, j'avais, j'ai eu, que j'aie...
< 1426730015 43519 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :je suis, je serai, j'étais, j'ai été, que je sois.
< 1426730018 485757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :être not so much, and i learned the other day that some of that _does_ go back to PIE
< 1426730083 298654 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taberu-tabenai-tabeta-tabemasu(eat) iru-inai-itta-imasu(to be) but then... kuru-konai-katta-kimasu(to come, WTF)
< 1426730085 24697 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spanish kept their ser y estar separate, whereas we conflagrated ours.
< 1426730117 451441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm not sure whether ha in norwegian counts as irregular or not.
< 1426730119 792317 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I'm drawing a blank for する's past...
< 1426730127 711157 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that means to burn, you want conflated, to conflagrated
< 1426730129 809012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :være (to be) certainly does
< 1426730144 539186 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? conflagration
< 1426730145 640733 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conflagration? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1426730152 855983 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. what was it again?
< 1426730163 361657 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I know. it was entirely volitional.
< 1426730165 102987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh verbs have so few forms you can't really get up to french proportions regardless
< 1426730175 478461 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? szoup
< 1426730176 805361 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit.
< 1426730181 177942 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.
< 1426730181 594130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*con*
< 1426730182 740628 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/conspirabiology \ wisdom/context
< 1426730189 804764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*fla*
< 1426730190 739571 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/disflagrate \ wisdom/flagpole \ wisdom/weetoflake
< 1426730190 791271 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? disflagration
< 1426730191 573489 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disflagration? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1426730194 165947 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? disflagrate
< 1426730195 426926 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :disflagrate v.t.perf.: a traditional technique from Poland (earliest attestation c. 1042) used to separate szoups. Nowadays, commercial production is entirely mechanized.
< 1426730232 466848 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suru-shinai-shita-shimasu is a little more regular than kuru
< 1426730251 521214 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night all!
< 1426730257 572850 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: CARTILAGINOUS CHICKEN
< 1426730364 277486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: so that makes 3 irregular verbs?
< 1426730377 253234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls reading once that turkish has only 1
< 1426730382 501583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to be)
< 1426730534 547658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Almost all Turkish verbs are conjugated in the same way, most notable exception being the irregular and defective verb i-, the Turkish copula (corresponding to English to be) [...]"
< 1426730549 68453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess as usual, exaggerated
< 1426730651 728804 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1426730779 204475 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah. the three would be kuru, suru, and aru which goes aru-nai-atta-arimasu
< 1426730804 399379 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else falls into one of two patterns
< 1426730838 138085 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weeotflake
< 1426730839 173212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeotflake? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1426730843 22749 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? weetoflake
< 1426730844 390766 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weetoflakes are something Taneb invented; they taste sort of purple.
< 1426730856 360174 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is satisfactory.
< 1426730921 935630 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*fal*
< 1426730923 15750 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/false
< 1426730926 957438 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1426730933 74888 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? false
< 1426730934 407236 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :false is a very old stack-based language. For an authentic experience, run it on an Amiga. It's also not true.
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< 1426733397 443098 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell am I suppose to remember which is conjunction and which is disjunction? why can't we call them anding and orring?
< 1426733489 520385 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anding normal form is an anding of orrings of literals, where a literal is either an atom or its notting.
< 1426733510 85234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :notting orrible about that
< 1426733785 418043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1426733971 602761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf!
< 1426733994 450012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1426735734 477343 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-67-232-56-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1426740154 638750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi edwardk
< 1426740456 827174 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :heya
< 1426740490 546796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: complete coïncidence hth
< 1426740505 470106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: IF YOU SAY SO
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< 1426748803 67821 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a channel for discussion around experimental programming language design?
< 1426748813 411240 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that this channel?
< 1426748834 106916 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe there's a forum I should go to
< 1426748851 110065 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ostensibly, yes
< 1426748857 602108 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, it's a channel for discussion of anything bug
< 1426748860 386065 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but
< 1426748866 813827 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, programming language discussion is welcome
< 1426748883 547436 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm just looking for opinions on this one language I'm designing
< 1426748913 465156 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a brainfuck variant?
< 1426748920 787300 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1426748921 704621 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lpaste.net/127721
< 1426748936 906167 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not esoteric in the sense the befunge and brainfuck are
< 1426748946 107773 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I'm curious if this is the right channel
< 1426748989 78117 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this... defining the values in terms of the functions, rather than the functions in terms of the values?
< 1426748995 951128 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo this is the right channel for anything in theoretical computer science
< 1426748998 863620 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it's a combination of Haskell and an absurd Self dialect
< 1426749033 831135 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this is definitely the right channel for htat
< 1426749044 436862 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'd love to chat about quantum algorithms sometime
< 1426749057 706728 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ok so here's the thing
< 1426749070 392615 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two types of values
< 1426749073 560144 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions, and objects
< 1426749075 983605 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f x
< 1426749086 193881 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is f is a function, then it is applying f to x
< 1426749090 665778 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if *
< 1426749107 348306 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if f is an object, then it is calling/retrieving the method x of f
< 1426749143 941756 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the top-level are namespace declarations
< 1426749151 912896 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, class declarations
< 1426749192 127487 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a class declaration is just a namespace of functions
< 1426749199 249255 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1426749201 19964 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1426749204 702311 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have
< 1426749218 587259 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I wrote an article in there actually
< 1426749226 405858 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was a long time ago, and I was dumb
< 1426749236 597335 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and for a brainfuck derivative)
< 1426749247 426271 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok, a lot of them are dumb... oh nevermind, you suck
< 1426749256 48779 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1426749261 474643 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tarpit
< 1426749272 651150 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :who came up with that crap?
< 1426749346 578886 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just here to get some first thoughts on the syntax and general ideas behind the language
< 1426749373 99065 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any suggestions on good ways to implement it, or where to learn to write a specification for it
< 1426749398 841001 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not so good on the thinking bit
< 1426749430 255204 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementation side, usually you want to go lexer -> parser -> AST -> semantic analysis -> generation/execution
< 1426749438 936243 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I know that
< 1426749446 295914 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok, good :)
< 1426749456 539097 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the grammar, decide what your tokens are, and then write a grammar
< 1426749460 750952 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written a few toy-language interpreters in my time
< 1426749473 788042 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also currently writing a parser for this exact code
< 1426749479 140199 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1426749503 261477 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really sure what advice I could offer on implementation then
< 1426749517 441678 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok
< 1426749538 361433 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I need a good name
< 1426749539 845731 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have specific questions
< 1426749547 554712 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you on spec writing?
< 1426749570 371997 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never written a formal language spec before
< 1426749577 946137 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't know where to start
< 1426749622 316434 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a number of approaches. Often a very readable way is to take the grammar, and basically annotate the productions
< 1426749699 15292 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there tends to be a fair bit of boilerplate, like the part where you explain your variant of EBNF
< 1426749844 695540 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the semantics side of things, I have no idea how I'm going to implement monadic blocks, and how I'm going to solve type ambiguity problems
< 1426749860 537226 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monadic blocks?
< 1426749904 834232 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, multi-line blocks of monadic computations
< 1426749917 938533 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like do-blocks?
< 1426749919 338246 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of syntax though
< 1426749922 872918 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah do-blocks
< 1426749934 320510 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :go the agda route and just allow inventing arbitrary syntax :P
< 1426749958 647102 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well part of the purpose of the language is to have incredibly minimal/simple syntax
< 1426749966 626535 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen agda?
< 1426749993 671062 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen Idris and Haskell, and the only thing I know about agda is that you can use anything as a variable name
< 1426749998 959256 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fascinating example of custom syntax gone horribly wrong.
< 1426750005 606031 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or horribly right, depending on perspective
< 1426750029 68855 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, in agda there are a very small number of reserved characters, and as long as you don't use one, you can write whatever.
< 1426750031 470156 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, if statements look like: if some_expr then true_case else false_case
< 1426750034 523427 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT
< 1426750044 105588 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426750045 502701 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of
< 1426750050 141071 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is because 'if' is the 'id' function (alternate name)
< 1426750056 518838 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name is actually if_then_else
< 1426750058 51977 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1426750060 636855 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if_then_else_
< 1426750067 284316 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the underscores represent places for arguments
< 1426750070 773489 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 'then' is a method on booleans to return maybes
< 1426750082 411685 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 'else' is a method on maybes to unwrap themselves
< 1426750103 487606 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the 'case' method on booleans for doing this without the extra syntax
< 1426750109 904580 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some_expr if true_case false_case
< 1426750115 325175 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops
< 1426750115 699028 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's not how it's done
< 1426750117 94924 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see
< 1426750119 498930 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.portal.chalmers.se/agda/pmwiki.php?n=ReferenceManual.Mixfix
< 1426750123 676634 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some_expr case true_case false_case
< 1426750127 359333 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no
< 1426750128 82862 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude
< 1426750131 736829 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about my language
< 1426750133 223017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did they ever take care of the issue with ":i ->" in ghci?
< 1426750137 663326 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8D: ohhhhh
< 1426750267 927456 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another problem I have
< 1426750314 834505 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since all types are inferred, creating and using monads and custom types will be a problem
< 1426750329 372997 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the type ambiguity problem
< 1426750341 497902 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1426750350 636060 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there probably will have to be some way of annotating types, but the under-the-hood type system is too crazy
< 1426750391 29407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um i didn't get any real response so i assume not?
< 1426750394 190787 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to achieve class-less polymorphism I have to denote types as sets of possible methods and their types
< 1426750416 631513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm talking about a different bug I reported a while ago, where :i (->) works and :i -> doesn't.
< 1426750421 482443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1426750427 290172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess your bug is old, I thought it was from just now.
< 1426750436 448818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the patch which is from just now.
< 1426750454 120248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that old
< 1426750460 597191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a month or so?
< 1426750464 124335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 days
< 1426750488 529280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait argh
< 1426750523 717522 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have no idea how inheritance will work
< 1426750582 888758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i didn't get it in the mail yet
< 1426750598 461636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I did.
< 1426750599 866680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have been missing Cc: messages from the trac
< 1426750649 378662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't that phab thing a link
< 1426750703 960854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also int-e has also been missing some, so it's not just my mail
< 1426750734 641767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait obviously you don't count, ghc-tickets is working fine.
< 1426750749 825271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am not subscribing to that, just Cc:ed
< 1426750779 823679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying when that when you subscribe to ghc-tickets, tickets you're Cc:ed on stop reaching you.
< 1426750794 164214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow it all gets merged into one. There isn't a way to discriminate even in the headers.
< 1426750810 807774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well at least the trac allows me to search for what i'm Cc:ed on
< 1426750851 297863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that doesn't _really_ help because the search doesn't have any "last change" column
< 1426750906 790134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where does one report a bug in the trac itself :P
< 1426750993 563751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : to achieve class-less polymorphism I have to denote types as sets of possible methods and their types <-- sounds like ocaml except it has classes too
< 1426751108 486676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc some extra hoops you have to go through when using subclasses
< 1426751154 873916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's a link in the status menu
< 1426751246 896035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/query?status=closed&status=infoneeded&status=merge&status=new&status=patch&status=upstream&cc=~oerjan&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=owner&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&col=changetime&order=changetime hth
< 1426751263 623124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1426751264 958155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gotta click on the thing that says columns
< 1426751270 87579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't see it at first either
< 1426751467 469124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok all is ... well, not quite as annoying
< 1426751648 77162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Cc: bug must be a conspiracy, since I just look at all the tickets as a result.
< 1426751704 302959 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-67-232-56-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1426763710 12341 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42147&oldid=42146 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+189) 10/* Knuth's Arrow Notation */
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< 1426770573 310920 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 978
< 1426770574 355524 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 978: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
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< 1426774032 552975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On behalf of IT, this IT Alert Notification was brought to you by the Help Desk in the Customer Support Department. This is a group email account and its been monitored 24/7, therefore, please do not ignore this notification, because its very compulsory."
< 1426774055 73703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :signed "Admin Service", and copyright to "Microsoft outlook"
< 1426774130 466733 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1426774148 55830 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam?
< 1426774185 494957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could it not be spam
< 1426774511 36846 :v^!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:a16c:83db:7216:9763 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1426774648 55723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very compulsory spam,.
< 1426774668 712393 :adu!~ajr@static-108-48-76-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426775561 630414 :password2!29a12092@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.161.32.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even copyrighted
< 1426775666 663596 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426775732 960220 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2: that makes it official.
< 1426775797 875830 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lhddnxpdoptipiti JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426775810 592878 :password2!29a12092@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.161.32.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc
< 1426775873 923750 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :password2, stop hacking all my accounts and display my secret passwords in public like that!
< 1426775882 456784 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so annoying
< 1426775897 984501 :password2!29a12092@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.161.32.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1426776019 284259 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rolls the number on all his passwords, again!
< 1426776237 979894 :password2!29a12092@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.161.32.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3
< 1426776265 24610 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh!
< 1426776449 830003 :password2!29a12092@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.161.32.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 -i6.28
< 1426776905 400743 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that 12-itau?
< 1426776958 997245 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If spam was real, everybody would be so rich
< 1426776993 55278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: nah, if spam was real, nobody's email account would work
< 1426777001 557090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you wouldn't be able to receive the trillion dollar donations
< 1426777042 936136 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a very complex password
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< 1426777309 829816 :password2!29a12092@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.161.32.146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yes
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< 1426782349 905454 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
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< 1426786312 961758 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:QWERTY Keyboard Dot Language14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42148 5* 0380.222.241.129 5* (+2) 10Created page with "xd"
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< 1426787410 737505 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which programming languages are usable (by which i mean, by madmen, not necessary regular people) as an OS interface?
< 1426787456 789919 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC lisp and forth were used, are there any others
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< 1426787760 422517 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what do you mean "an OS interface"?
< 1426787769 79540 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean like a shell?
< 1426787781 449680 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah in the same capacity as a shell
< 1426787789 253575 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC definitely then
< 1426787795 696806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in old computers, BASIC was the shell
< 1426787803 855036 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right *slaps forhed*
< 1426787877 726636 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl could work, I wonder if anyone does that
< 1426787913 133070 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I have a rescue entry in the window manager menu to start a terminal emulator with perl loaded, in case I mess up the shell so much it can't start
< 1426787927 363843 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, while the computer and X11 and the window manager is already running
< 1426787943 690237 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1426787956 973562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could basically use anything that way, not only perl
< 1426787987 736393 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use, say, emacs (I don't have one on my machine but you know)
< 1426787991 20010 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vim
< 1426788013 364894 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that has the ability to run external programs anyway, certainly
< 1426788023 694330 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP
< 1426788025 71993 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul_
< 1426788026 182863 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, some APL and the smalltalk ide were used as shells
< 1426788032 509474 :TieSoul_!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSoul
< 1426788037 723165 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww no, not php
< 1426788051 315402 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby (irb) or python rather
< 1426788119 24185 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42149&oldid=42147 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+12) 10/* Knuth's Arrow Notation */
< 1426788127 158968 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42150&oldid=42149 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+96) 10/* Knuth's Arrow Notation */
< 1426788465 275742 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madmen? grub2 command line
< 1426788595 698905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFI shell
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< 1426793507 273610 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some windows program that can tell me which program is opening iexplore in the background?
< 1426793807 780887 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: any program that uses windows's XML parsing library, I hear
< 1426793977 117366 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meta... http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2015/03/19/0668-deus-ex-machina/
< 1426794020 757723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'd look into the Sysinternals stuff.
< 1426794038 532377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb795533.aspx has some overview list
< 1426794071 350036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process Explorer/Monitor tend to be the most generally useful.
< 1426794188 728421 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would happen if I ran pkill pkill
< 1426794205 400367 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the process commit suicide
< 1426794238 652432 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how would I tell?
< 1426794241 303769 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> killall killall
< 1426794241 305888 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :killall: no process found
< 1426794242 871375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘killall’Not in scope: ‘killall’
< 1426794252 62934 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack
< 1426794252 64087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1426794287 540365 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkill is silent, killall returns an error
< 1426794399 999781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pkill pkill doesn't attempt to kill itself either. It will kill other running copies of pkill, however.
< 1426794437 853784 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tested with strace -ekill pkill pkill and gdb for having a stopped pkill around)
< 1426794483 258465 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All
< 1426794490 619075 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your
< 1426794500 971978 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Processes
< 1426794505 460776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are
< 1426794509 836191 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Belong
< 1426794513 460827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :To
< 1426794529 601801 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teh NSA
< 1426794532 816966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is ashamed.
< 1426794563 619335 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I expected U.S.)
< 1426794576 846903 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't even born when that game came out
< 1426794617 480411 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born then, I never played the game. It didn't save me from the meme.
< 1426794623 351893 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quality of translations has gone way up
< 1426794664 861028 :Fleur!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426794665 816256 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The meme was started much later anyway; in 2000/2001, according to Wikipedia)
< 1426794692 591283 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it had to wait until most games had good translation
< 1426794697 964355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1426794772 603616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays even games that have a bad translation at first are likely to be patched later on. Without broadband internet, patches were really rare.
< 1426794807 265565 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero wings?
< 1426794807 845835 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just imagine, software back then had to work out of the box!)
< 1426794840 645856 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, even then software had bugs and sometimes had newer fixed versions released
< 1426794848 374750 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though of course, there were plenty of bugs back then as well.)
< 1426794892 962422 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAIA HIII MAIA HUUU MAIA HAAA MAIA HAHA
< 1426794903 397465 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course only some bugs got fixed, others remained because they didn't impact normal gameplay much, or because they would have been technically difficult to fix with the limited hardware
< 1426794951 650307 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Some bugs were awesome, for example the one in pokemon that let you get mew
< 1426794985 74374 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :get mew? you're not supposed to do that
< 1426794995 540584 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you get mew? can you have it fight?
< 1426795002 72329 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1426795012 149416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which game is that?
< 1426795023 222828 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokemon red/blue
< 1426795079 658672 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that game was full of crazy bugs, basically the item screen can be glitched into modifying arbitrary memory
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< 1426795245 396695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know
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< 1426796518 617228 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
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< 1426799251 127883 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07ArrayZ14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42152&oldid=40653 5* 03GeorgeEpicGen 5* (-4055) 10This page is to be deleted
< 1426799291 124886 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42153&oldid=42139 5* 03GeorgeEpicGen 5* (-13) 10/* A */
< 1426799309 814633 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? the US
< 1426799310 887297 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US is the country opposed to the THEM.
< 1426799325 221263 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canada
< 1426799326 379054 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada is Big Scotland. Like, you know, very big.
< 1426799330 694978 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1426799374 152721 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no chance to survive make your time
< 1426799448 515348 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a game and translate it that badly into japanese
< 1426800092 325743 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... it's actually hard to make errors in Japanese that don't just sound like colloquial
< 1426800223 167218 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then "what you say" is sort of correct colloquial english
< 1426800288 172638 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which natural language is the most fault-tolerant
< 1426800928 98234 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, typewritten japanese is extremely un fault tolerant because of the kanji.
< 1426801847 346281 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, Well you can probably make yourself at least partially understood in most natural languages when it comes to wording and such. Even if it isn't idiomatic or even correct, there is enough information for a human to guess what was meant
< 1426802112 77963 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1426804139 633965 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Iamevn 5* 10New user account
< 1426804967 570401 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42154&oldid=41325 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+238) 10/* Developing a language which compiles to BrainF*** */ new section
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< 1426806367 924239 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services
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< 1426806370 505975 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1426807488 278963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426807543 377234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor the logs' time is 3 minutes early hth
< 1426807543 377953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1426807673 96430 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lhddnxpdoptipiti QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1426808177 214828 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426808320 193541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `olist 978 <-- nice title
< 1426808363 194395 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426808367 254011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i only recognize the reference because of sheldon's poetry comics)
< 1426808414 364234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i shall presume all americans read it in school, or something
< 1426808467 606604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh or british
< 1426808468 193275 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1426808856 280852 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. sheldon?
< 1426808962 34016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helløily
< 1426809066 16423 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shëllochëllof.
< 1426809066 297730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sheldoncomics.com/
< 1426809076 486888 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh.
< 1426809132 862712 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emperor of Canada. I dig that.
< 1426809137 762047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ywoily
< 1426809159 747286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i haven't checked it yet today
< 1426809183 164319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no new one
< 1426809188 519451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit erratic
< 1426809432 583119 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Type, Duck”. I really hope it's not some horrible stealth pun.
< 1426809448 872998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um when was that
< 1426809798 80184 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the first bunch of the comics around the beginning of the start...
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< 1426810002 278255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats boily after clicking through _far_ too many comics without finding it -----###
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< 1426810224 499766 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1426810250 829589 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1426810281 129761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: stop referring to nonexisting comics twh
< 1426810372 290470 :Tritonio_!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c NICK :Tritonio
< 1426811236 242600 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1426811744 681980 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: updating fonts
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< 1426811830 500344 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1426812375 774193 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the many kinds of duck typing
< 1426812434 184304 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it quacks like a duck http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/011211.html and swims like a duck http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/011213.html and types like a duck http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/011228.html then it must be a duck
< 1426812519 535292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@int-esnack
< 1426812519 536189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1426812598 116749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: my impression is that kellett probably isn't a programmer and wouldn't know what duck typing means.
< 1426812716 247958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is however well educated in english, spanish, and cartoon art propaganda
< 1426812733 473566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and literature.
< 1426812850 734828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, searching for kellett brought up in the "people also search for" section: http://geekadelphia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/dr_strange.jpg
< 1426812882 286577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's brad guigar)
< 1426812893 534535 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hopqewkkhcqfcicz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426813277 757527 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ok, not a programmer... http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/020124.html
< 1426813344 965026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _is_ conceivable he knows html, i think he has a website or something.
< 1426813360 463616 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20150313 is still grey ...
< 1426813383 701529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if he were a programmer, he'd be able to get his bloody archives working properly.
< 1426813388 746592 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I expect a programmer would start with IP, TCP or *maybe* HTTP, but not HTML
< 1426813399 527907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trying to find old drive comics is painful.)
< 1426813418 705733 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm expecting too much
< 1426813448 287934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically, having only the last year listed in the archives isn't very good when you've essentially been on a >1 year hiatus...)
< 1426813485 146729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you add that the comic has _always_ been sporadically posted _and_ urls are date-based...
< 1426813490 567179 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is accruing his GG debt, one day at a time...
< 1426813520 530451 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, the sporadic updates kill it.
< 1426813562 710531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for girl genius, i know it's regular so i can skip a week back or forth
< 1426813568 973229 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually quite possible to navigate GG by date because in at most 3 guesses you'll hit a comic
< 1426813569 846328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are chapter links
< 1426813576 896035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1426813605 483667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i don't guess, i find the right chapter and then skip in week increments
< 1426813650 538559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or multiples of them
< 1426813660 776559 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, discovering the chapter index was a huge boon
< 1426813699 373132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I tend to skip by months, and being too lazy to do the math *g*
< 1426813736 724009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if yafgc could get its archives back. having an arc with _huge_ connections to past events going on at the same time as a big subset of the archives are not there is also painful.
< 1426813765 376779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: heh
< 1426813825 105998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sort of half-lazy, i'll skip weeks within a month but then sometimes use prev/next to cross month boundaries
< 1426813839 451838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful python feature someone pointed out:
< 1426813849 393137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = [1]; (9,x)[1] += [2]
< 1426813867 169682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you guess what that does? print an error? modify x?
< 1426813886 74731 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just keep the last comic i've read bookmarkes
< 1426813888 217692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeError: 'tuple' object does not support item assignment
< 1426813894 74509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is both hth
< 1426813894 879087 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, I can't guess.
< 1426813906 911514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wat
< 1426813907 810835 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeHellor!
< 1426813949 14016 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that is vile. that is very vile.
< 1426813954 412688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: nah i only do that for the darths & droids alternative comics
< 1426813957 915554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck. what the fuck. what the fuck.
< 1426813978 906402 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't found any such weirdness in Rust yet
< 1426813994 218876 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than surprising method dispatch sometimes with references
< 1426814004 409418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you even manage to mess it up like that
< 1426814019 112933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13 if you read the bytecode it's pretty clear why, it pulls the element of the tuple out, does an inplace add on it, and then tries to put it back in the tuple and dies
< 1426814023 65719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13 and if the inplace add mutates then rip
< 1426814041 188222 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this 3 or 2?
< 1426814054 414107 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is profundly disgusting.
< 1426814064 642912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Both.
< 1426814076 836041 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The equivalent in Rust would need &mut and *
< 1426814082 668260 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please telle me you aren't as corrupted as that.
< 1426814083 564331 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: as soon as they finish that target they'll work on a windows box here and i don't know
< 1426814094 533686 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yikes!
< 1426814094 931249 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: modify the code... i think, but thanks
< 1426814105 405631 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :let mut x = 1; *(9,&mut x) += 2; // This will work
< 1426814111 963782 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops
< 1426814115 900709 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :let mut x = 1; *(9,&mut x).1 += 2; // This will work
< 1426814181 299731 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int a[10];
< 1426814183 258190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: the only comic i read in batches such that it would make sense to bookmark the last one is smbc, but that has no continuity...
< 1426814187 887370 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define A [a]
< 1426814195 388345 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2A + 1
< 1426814203 732724 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2A+=1
< 1426814228 831401 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that monstrous or what
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< 1426814374 529437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that even work
< 1426814380 498249 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: of course
< 1426814383 409844 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I've seen worse
< 1426814394 86961 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in IOCCC, of course)
< 1426814408 851492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :% { echo '#define A q'; echo 2A } | clang -E - | tail -n 1
< 1426814408 909029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2A
< 1426814413 572776 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: recall that a[b] = *(a+b) and + is commutative
< 1426814419 644238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 2 A would work.
< 1426814420 809479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2A doesn't.
< 1426814468 566885 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. needs cpp -traditional
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< 1426814672 356203 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you allow -traditional, you will get something more strange:
< 1426814672 394352 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~$ ( echo '#define A(x) "x"'; echo 'A(v)' ) | cpp -E -traditional - | grep '^[^#]'
< 1426814675 26067 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"v"
< 1426815011 131172 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. Even if modern cpp does tokens, how the heck is "2A" a token!?!?
< 1426815228 406042 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: AZURE CHICKEN
< 1426815321 660593 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. the lexer thinks "2A" is an integer with a size affix?
< 1426815344 601632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 awesomeint
< 1426815383 225777 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. #define A a] 2[A
< 1426815409 161002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1426815518 61559 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my "A preprocessing number begins with a digit optionally preceded by a period (.) and may be followed by valid identifier characters and the character sequences e+, e-, E+, E-, p+, p-, P+, or P-." Okay.
< 1426815576 771551 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1thisisavalidnubmer
< 1426815578 304371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :2wrongsdonotmake+1right
< 1426815617 534219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :covering all the bases
< 1426815644 782561 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks.
< 1426815667 485962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :order-pp does 8foo for all its syntax things
< 1426815669 231217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 8if(...)
< 1426815777 480610 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: That's... rather impressive.
< 1426815835 413404 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-67-232-56-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426816134 826809 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, of course these pp-tokens can still be used for concatenation to produce identifiers.
< 1426816145 613996 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so evil
< 1426816234 934176 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426816247 707782 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see because although 2A is a number, a ## 2A beigns with a letter and is therefore an identifier
< 1426816534 797268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ## 2e+2
< 1426816809 451928 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the result [of ##] is not a valid preprocessing token, the behavior is undefined."
< 1426816816 23595 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So good luck with that.
< 1426816825 511695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1426817924 915435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1426817937 484178 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426818069 26612 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct wtf{struct wtf(*x)();}; extern struct wtf srsly; int main(){srsly.x().x().x().x();/*trololol*/}
< 1426818229 864470 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct wtf wut;while(wut.x)wut=wut.x();
< 1426818411 161246 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can this be made a bit more screwy?
< 1426818775 688082 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426819823 497650 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I rename x to oO
< 1426819845 423337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O
< 1426819851 810502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1426819875 702199 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly.Oo().Oo();
< 1426819927 913341 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly.Oo().oO();
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< 1426822990 785774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah i've drunk too much coke
< 1426823136 508217 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1426823327 839631 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: drink water
< 1426823348 349594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DONE
< 1426823375 383597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had a cup on the table which he'd forgot
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< 1426825119 526809 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:7040:2907:b65:5776 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1426826101 695112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It has sometimes been suggested that half pi should be called hi, and written τ. Explain why this idea was not discovered until recently."
< 1426826150 17760 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this from a world where pi = circumference / radius?
< 1426826236 439730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Jafet already asked me that in the past.
< 1426826282 831616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it could be a world where pi = diameter / circumference hth
< 1426826299 908432 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Could be
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< 1426832482 526503 :FallNWolf!Its@cm-84.213.218.92.getinternet.no QUIT :
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< 1426836033 537197 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is past me an idiot who leaves things to the night before?
< 1426836105 549156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he's shifted in time
< 1426836466 91451 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: many people do that
< 1426836471 988365 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1426836588 78564 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well now future me is going to have to survive another ~20 hours without sleep
< 1426836660 655372 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe pass out in a subway station or something
< 1426836757 159996 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck
< 1426836861 668681 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426836866 460963 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd better work on the graphics assignment due in a week or so... naaaaahh
< 1426837207 498100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you still get 3 or 4 hours of sleep out of this night?
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< 1426838028 325177 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e that is also a good idea
< 1426838871 611628 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hopqewkkhcqfcicz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1426839926 290753 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1426847444 158049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm getting this bug that makes no sense
< 1426847461 257848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels a bit like a compiler bug, but I can't reproduce it in a simple program
< 1426847485 335238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb shows that I'm passing an argument to a function, and the argument that actually arrives at that function is different
< 1426847516 155419 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426847526 919046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is across a shared library boundary across a pair of nested function pointers, which would explain why it hadn't been caught before, at least
< 1426847698 429495 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, are you willing/able to share the source of the offending program?
< 1426847712 858415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes but it's pretty large
< 1426847720 433827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that the shared library in question is libnethack
< 1426847750 181536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember something like this having happened befoer
< 1426847753 475665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm working on a testbench
< 1426847764 447536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wanted to get it working before I pushed the first version
< 1426847768 203596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could push an interim version
< 1426848022 349993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: git clone -b testbench http://nethack4.org/media/nethack4.git
< 1426848078 450493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :build and install according to the normal build instructions, then run testbench/src/testmain.c/testmain.bin from the build directory
< 1426848486 638906 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: memory corruption? is this optimized? what system and compiler?
< 1426848508 199286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: -Og, gcc (Ubuntu 4.9.1-16ubuntu6) 4.9.1
< 1426848542 820881 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1426848574 210025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I change "callback" to "msg_getlin_callback" (i.e. hardcoding its value), everything works fine; that may well be because it's a private function, though
< 1426848582 310560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus forcing aimake to change the link to static to be able to get at it
< 1426848589 733684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on line 747 of testgame.c
< 1426848629 548561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the problem is that the pointer "lin" given as an argument to the callback is a different pointer from the pointer that the callback receives in its first argument, but only the second time test_getlin is called)
< 1426848634 434734 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how reproducible is this?
< 1426848650 662211 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and have you tried to run with valgrind and/or gcc's undefined behaviour catcher traps?
< 1426848763 41083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 100% reproducible; valgrind reports reading uninitialized data inside msg_getlin_callback (blaming a stack allocation on messages.c:42, which only allocates one variable and it's initialized); I haven't tried with ubsan
< 1426848798 496285 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily I don't really have much experience hunting down these kinds of bugs
< 1426848906 855004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one's just a flat out case of the code making no sense
< 1426848914 5843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what ltrace will see at the API boundary
< 1426848937 569841 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using a recent enough gdb?
< 1426848961 445058 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, I definitely recommend you to upgrade it
< 1426849343 35987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ltrace can't see the calls in question at all (presumably it can't see calls made via function pointers), but it is reporting double or even triple frees that valgrind didn't see
< 1426849520 920306 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1426849562 270578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it possible that you have declared the function differently in different source files, or cast it to the wrong type of function pointer?
< 1426849639 218330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :void (*callback)(const char *lin, void *arg) ... void msg_getlin_callback(const char *str, void *msg_to_fill)
< 1426849640 718954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it matches
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< 1426861671 610976 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like I don't need C++ I just need a larger C library
< 1426861810 621238 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, one with better functions for strings and dynamic arrays
< 1426861835 251709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very hard to write useful type-generic libraries in C.
< 1426861856 153815 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it?
< 1426861861 736668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1426861865 488100 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1426861868 29536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ templates are a big win for that purpose
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< 1426861894 705829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b/c without preprocessor hackery, the best you can do is make everything (void *), sacrificing type safety just like Java did when you had to cast everything to and from Object to put it into containers, and also requiring boxing
< 1426861909 576971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e., your structure cannot store the data inline, it must be indirect through a pointer, likely incurring a heap allocation)
< 1426861924 352464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :preprocessor hackery works to define type-generic structures, but it's incredibly ugly and annoying to use
< 1426861960 948142 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoudln't that be char* not void*?
< 1426861974 346426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1426861980 612341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what makes you say that but I'm pretty sure the answer is no
< 1426861987 416412 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you use gcc extension allowing pointer arith on void*)
< 1426862024 266372 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean,consider qsort and bsearch
< 1426862037 303485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qsort uses void *...
< 1426862052 289382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just cast to char * if you want
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< 1426862220 148410 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can still store the data inline
< 1426862241 296410 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you simply allocate a char[] of the appropriate size
< 1426862275 199253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also need to think about things like internal pointers in data structures
< 1426862298 775541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard. anyway it's horribly unpleasant in manual in C to do the thing you really want, and you don't get type-safety out of it
< 1426862316 420865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're likely to be much happier at least flicking your compiler's C++ switch on and just using templates and nothing else
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< 1426862412 648179 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what if we simply pass an initializer and destructor to the make_array() function?
< 1426862444 573379 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the same way that we pass a comparator to qsort)
< 1426862446 993664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, what if we just manually run C++ -> C compilers in our head and abandon readability or safety
< 1426862453 985353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo this will be fun and not at all pointlessly torturous for us
< 1426862520 403665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean really what you do in C is just hand-code all your structures or deal with the excessive heap allocation and indirection and lack of type safety
< 1426862528 283123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because getting what you really want is too hellish
< 1426862538 74808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is why writing C is tedious
< 1426862605 476697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :glib is a pretty good example of the "just deal with the indirection and lack of type safety of boxing everything"
< 1426862610 524055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I mean it works but it's not very fun
< 1426862625 497796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you don't care about laying things out well in memory or the costs of heap allocation then why on earth are you writing in C
< 1426862809 57076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :glib has a bit of "store data inline" stuff, IIRC. Based on preprocessor stuffery.
< 1426862813 357390 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because your hardware vendor has only a port of gcc 2.95
< 1426862814 302697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the GArray thing.
< 1426862821 164736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1426862828 484465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do templating with the preprocessor
< 1426862831 936786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works!
< 1426862832 506466 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: generally? because C library interfaces tend to be easier to understand than C++ interfaces
< 1426862835 468797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the worst thing to maintain in the universe
< 1426862850 342026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: is something like std::vector really hard to understand
< 1426862857 441481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean sure boost or whtaever is over the top but
< 1426862915 655526 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything in C++ that isn't hard to understand
< 1426862917 465560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You provide an element size in g_array_new, and the type name to a 'g_array_index' macro, and things are generally ugly. E.g. you can't g_array_append_val(array, 42) to an array of ints because it would try to do &42 in there.
< 1426862920 406977 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: when I use C++ it is only for the sake of string, vector, and sometimes for custom streams.
< 1426862943 382930 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So apparently the sort implementation in libstdc++ doesn't use swap at all, it uses moves instead
< 1426862946 53379 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/changetip/comments/2zgr59/when_you_tip_the_wrong_amount_happened_to_me_at/cpisjsh ahahahahahahaha
< 1426862946 456396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I'm not sure, trying to think of something atm
< 1426862965 98598 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why we can't have a fsopen() function converting a C string to a FILE* I don't know...
< 1426862971 182196 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means that you can write swap specializations and they won't get used, you need a move constructor instead or you will get terrible performance
< 1426862988 479680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you try to write an API as convenient as std::vector that has the same memory/performance properties you want then you'll end up with a huge mass of preprocessor trickery
< 1426862988 789374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, in C
< 1426863024 3739 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in other words, you can't sort lists of containers fast and have the container code be C++03 compatible
< 1426863097 897803 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general C++ code causes a lot of unnecessary copies (mostly because of memory ownership issues).
< 1426863131 266518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1426863133 130203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ has lots of problems
< 1426863141 835429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :being worse at writing generic code than C isn't one of them
< 1426863259 562865 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to be fair these issues are with the standard C++ library not the language C++ itself
< 1426863266 580073 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any programming system that doesn't cause a lot of unnecessary copies
< 1426863331 214381 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you can only choose the extent of the problem...
< 1426863466 933269 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes channel.
< 1426863471 27530 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was watching and eating popcorn.
< 1426863474 912442 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't stop the entertainment now.
< 1426863541 548048 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A variant of thue where each rule may only permute existing symbols
< 1426863576 480954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: sorry, i got enlightened and realised that c is the best language ever
< 1426863625 974894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is full of workarounds to the rest of C++, it's become a self-sustaining loop at this point
< 1426863640 361345 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is an ok language ruined for many purposes by its string type.
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< 1426863679 83654 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The poorly chosen string type was then optimized for at the hardware level.
< 1426863684 796872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C doesn't really have a string type.
< 1426863695 992081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just has a type that is named char for bad reasons
< 1426863697 227522 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: EXACTLY
< 1426863712 809918 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :WG21 apparently didn't consider it self-sustaining enough because they threw in a concurrent programming model
< 1426863828 801783 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they added threads, so they could no longer evade the issue without looking like lunatics
< 1426863890 644180 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone (with better taste than me) should write a modern replacement C stdlib, with blackjack! And whores!^H^H^H^H^H.
< 1426863927 586881 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoren
< 1426864038 123085 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they already looked like lunatics though. you stare into an abyss of C++ templates....
< 1426864353 700822 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... abyss.staring();
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< 1426875145 265619 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( idrisVersion
< 1426875145 665240 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"0.9.16-git:be54e85" : 12String
< 1426875212 840526 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case anyone cares, I created a type provider that retrieves the version of idris currently in use, because someone in #idris suggested it after someone else asked what version the bot was on.
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< 1426875730 419459 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42167&oldid=42113 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+1792) 10/* Constants */
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< 1426876517 976291 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Clip14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42168&oldid=42167 5* 03Ypnypn 5* (+1252) 10/* Constants */
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< 1426883295 912626 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit! facebook tells people your location!
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< 1426883439 243641 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means if you happen to be seeing your mistress, and you message your wife... big trouble
< 1426883455 277570 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1426883597 583069 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whaty
< 1426883629 365927 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wait until Google Now tells you that you have an appointment with a divorce lawyer, based on the exact same information.
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< 1426883683 213834 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qdb.us/301866 is cute
< 1426883716 585348 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Siri, what are my appointments today" "Divorce lawyer at 5, and doctor at 1, you stepped in poison ivy 30 seconds ago."
< 1426884000 467348 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I was using screen through UofT's computers, but for some reason it doesn't forward utf-8 properly
< 1426884117 568930 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is important for a channel that uses as many Æあα as this one.
< 1426884141 638793 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :öh
< 1426884168 632213 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode MULTIOCULAR
< 1426884170 346946 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O \ UTF-8: ea 99 ae UTF-16BE: a66e Decimal: ꙮ \ ꙮ \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
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< 1426885513 27416 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, don't make the others jelous of you
< 1426885513 403732 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: if you are going for fast load time, you can omit it. :) actually, i think
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< 1426887127 232162 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-220.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have SSH account, but to access some programs, I have to first SSH to one server and then from there, SSH to the server that is physically on top of that one, in order to access GCC and so on
< 1426887638 453617 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hth
< 1426887639 458764 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1426887675 681221 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth
< 1426887676 996253 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous.
< 1426887801 584432 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-220.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think now I thought of the way to make in a 6502 code and using tables to make a signed 16-bit number output as a decimal format.
< 1426887850 439571 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :ihateoctal
< 1426888255 12868 :ihateoctal!~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :nisstyre
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< 1426895175 627688 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tdh
< 1426895177 440757 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdh is the past tense of a successful hth. hth.
< 1426895416 284460 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have an "official", oerjan-approved way of abbreviating "that didn't help"?
< 1426895457 827566 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's "tdnh".
< 1426895464 513520 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tdnh
< 1426895465 896501 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh does not help
< 1426895481 495264 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? htdnh
< 1426895482 644906 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :htdnh? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1426895519 816730 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la wisdom/tdnh
< 1426895521 204432 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 19 Jan 6 17:40 wisdom/tdnh
< 1426895720 582877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, commit date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 00:03:21 +0000
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< 1426896326 866708 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-220.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any EFnet IRC server for Telus?
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< 1426900287 714416 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJP-VOC7IDM
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< 1426902978 892090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome izabera
< 1426902980 494363 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13izabera: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1426908532 881128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: what language is benvenuto
< 1426908534 433282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin
< 1426908536 129405 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ ! \ ? \ ¿ \ ' \ @ \ ؟ \ ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ \ \ \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addwep \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ as86 \ aseen \ bf \ bienvenido \ botsnack \ bseen \ buttsnack \ calc \ CaT \ catcat \ cats \ cc \ cdecl \ c++decl \ chroot \ coins \ CoInS \ complain \ complaints \ ctof \ dandd
< 1426908536 695808 :_2_Emma!~37500014@61.73.164.24 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1426908552 277970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... you write a shell script. >.>
< 1426908557 98093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/bienvenido
< 1426908558 529275 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome.es"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome.es"; }
< 1426908564 727471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that I guess.
< 1426908567 342680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*guess.
< 1426908568 16594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah italian
< 1426908586 767577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should go in welcome.it, clearly
< 1426908606 451597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. but then you'd have to copy and sed the perl script since I guess they're all just manually modified copies
< 1426908609 737461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1426908638 788574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp bin/{bienvenido,benvenuto}; sed -i 's/es/it/' bin/bienvenuto
< 1426908642 170463 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i wasn't reading
< 1426908644 847261 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: can't read bin/bienvenuto: No such file or directory
< 1426908659 743229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1426908664 243843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp bin/{bienvenido,benvenuto}; sed -i 's/es/it/' bin/benvenuto
< 1426908666 646453 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1426908666 698797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 20:32 one of these days i'll write a shachaf bot that takes random text and puts hth on the end and i,i at the start at random intervals throughout
< 1426908678 225949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/benvenuto
< 1426908679 390710 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome.it"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome.es"; }
< 1426908683 888268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1426908690 863866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp bin/{bienvenido,benvenuto}; sed -i 's/es/it/g' bin/benvenuto
< 1426908694 269874 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1426908695 500548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/benvenuto
< 1426908696 384597 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome.it"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome.it"; }
< 1426908707 49918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`benvenuto
< 1426908707 998770 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome.it? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1426908716 326234 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1426908717 401730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( \ 113500 \ a.out \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ complaints \ :-D \ dc \ dog \ error.log \ etc \ factor \ faith \ fu \ head \ hello \ hello.c \ ibin \ index.html?dl=1812 \ interps \ lib \ MaFV \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ py.py \ quines \ quotes \ script.py \ share \ src \ test \ test.c \ Wierd \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
< 1426908737 174108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: now you put the actual translation in wisdom/welcome.it
< 1426908779 487015 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1426908812 460354 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it's not really a shell
< 1426908889 667715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : izabera: it's a unix system! <-- are you trying to get em to release the raptors tdnh
< 1426908904 566373 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426908934 480367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: it uses full bash actually
< 1426908936 154145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use `run
< 1426908940 890179 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1426908942 716779 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1426908944 783233 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1426908951 258554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'int main() { return 123; }' | gcc -x c - && ./a.out; echo $?
< 1426908960 703010 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :123
< 1426908964 827053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: i,i twh please do it hth
< 1426908965 55018 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that took a while
< 1426908973 125786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it can take a little while to start up sometimes
< 1426908975 218856 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-220.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite know all of the programs on there
< 1426908978 817510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'int main() { return 123; }' | gcc -x c - && ./a.out; echo $?
< 1426908980 333340 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :123
< 1426908982 847926 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-220.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they might have added SQLite too
< 1426908984 750352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's warmed up now :P
< 1426909004 281203 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'int main() { return 42; }' | gcc -x c - && ./a.out; echo $?
< 1426909008 415993 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :42
< 1426909024 417052 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use precompiled headers
< 1426909033 410009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the warmup is just the VM startup I think
< 1426909036 208053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses user mode linux
< 1426909044 975793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's essentially booting an entire kernel on every command.
< 1426909066 95912 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'd be waiting a while if i tried to get it to install ghc ;)
< 1426909075 534509 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: /j #evalbot
< 1426909076 779391 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-220.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they should fix it? Maybe there is the way to avoid a bit somewhat
< 1426909081 725225 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1426909087 199180 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :evalbot runs in qemu with a saved state
< 1426909115 320328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1426909118 770904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: it used to have ghc but Gregor didn't bother to install it again when he moved it between servers :(
< 1426909128 883675 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426909129 814740 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well
< 1426909138 899539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego has persistent state and so on which is nice
< 1426909141 337638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe that does too
< 1426909165 166007 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't
< 1426909170 504996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: also since you've been mentioning around something i've also thought of, someone should totally make rank-n constraints work hth
< 1426909173 964922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1426909184 599740 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-220.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does even have SQLite version 3.7.13
< 1426909203 643356 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-220.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With no extensions, as far as I know)
< 1426909209 78220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(class (Category a, forall b. Applicative (a b)) => Arrow a where ...)
< 1426909228 513116 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sleep 10
< 1426909236 966579 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there no timeout?
< 1426909239 491375 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1426909240 456924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 seconds or so
< 1426909243 262059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo hi
< 1426909244 777586 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1426909245 38095 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's a lo t
< 1426909251 344115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more comparable to that evalbot I guess
< 1426909255 292570 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo *
< 1426909255 592360 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :interps lib slox
< 1426909256 613401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no persistent state etc.)
< 1426909257 400370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: also while i'm stalking, hope you're feeling better
< 1426909275 463099 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :still sick, but meh
< 1426909288 324330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I wonder why it's so much faster
< 1426909291 762510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget how EgoBot sandboxes !sh...
< 1426909301 811665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh whoami
< 1426909302 167465 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/whoami: cannot find name for user ID 1243611
< 1426909302 888763 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a bot that lets you use the ed editor
< 1426909305 17895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh whoami
< 1426909305 292596 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/whoami: cannot find name for user ID 1924701
< 1426909306 706688 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know ed? o_o
< 1426909308 507897 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better way to think about Arrow to me is class (Strong p, Category p) => Arrow p -- using profunctors
< 1426909319 294127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used ed to edit files for real a few times!
< 1426909323 2542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly just so I could say I did it though
< 1426909331 418545 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1426909337 786150 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i only edited them for you as a courtesy ;)
< 1426909343 689698 :Valentina!~canaima@186-91-225-70.genericrev.cantv.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1426909343 792773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1426909360 575300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, thanks for implementing all those lens changes I telepathically communicated to you over the years...
< 1426909366 862271 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :np
< 1426909372 566545 :edwardk!sid47016@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for the idea
< 1426909448 887437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ...what does the bot actually edit, though?
< 1426909504 198573 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :files
< 1426909506 278929 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know
< 1426909533 73860 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a min, i'll bring it here
< 1426909665 93211 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is building dependencies and adding the ingredients
< 1426909668 897670 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-220.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can edit whatever files are stored in its filesystem
< 1426909674 753724 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1426909680 46565 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i patched it
< 1426909715 785444 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-220.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo can edit any file under its directory, but not the others
< 1426909721 125067 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-220.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using hg I think?
< 1426909734 94700 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-220.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore you can't use any file that is not compatible with hg
< 1426909850 754802 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426909859 224063 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+i
< 1426909859 318314 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1426909864 942250 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hello world
< 1426909866 733843 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+.
< 1426909866 797460 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-220.bchsia.telus.net PART :#esoteric
< 1426909869 421664 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+p
< 1426909869 522397 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world
< 1426909873 759950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1426909885 174738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I immediately forget all the ed I once knew :(
< 1426909896 262680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably used TECO more
< 1426909913 506988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a regular expression library that supports intersections and complements?
< 1426909927 546718 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :intersections?
< 1426909948 302356 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i got it and the answer is no
< 1426909952 282431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :text matches (P&Q) if it matches P and it matches Q
< 1426909977 496094 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :.*P.*Q.*|.*Q.*P.*
< 1426910001 609274 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :will work if it's no anchored
< 1426910060 709498 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed is a good editor for over a crap connection
< 1426910076 194753 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and over irc :D
< 1426910109 463459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, people often do not form very close bonds over IRC
< 1426910111 505984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could call it a
< 1426910112 943350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap connection
< 1426910121 326127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you. I'm here all week
< 1426910123 271452 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1426910149 979316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Anchored?
< 1426910175 626998 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it won't work if either P or Q use ^ or $
< 1426910211 655677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is ([abc]&[bcd]) would be the same as [bc], I think
< 1426910217 378905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, both P and Q run over the same string
< 1426910224 951755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than P coming after Q or vice versa
< 1426910246 191301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1426910259 492408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so, the set of strings that match (P&Q) is the intersection of the set of strings that match P and the set of strings that match Q)
< 1426910271 270283 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh
< 1426910300 2999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that operation is computable. as in whether there is a function over regexps that produces a new regexp with that property
< 1426910300 17612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (!P) matches a string when P doesn't match it.
< 1426910300 19072 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thing perl regexes have something like that
< 1426910300 968833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is.
< 1426910301 645124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess probably yes, regular languages have nice properties
< 1426910307 15038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's double-exponential or something.
< 1426910315 988164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?!P) does that in some regexp engines I think?
< 1426910317 699748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it's weird
< 1426910328 731573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lookahead/lookbehind is close but not quite the same thing.
< 1426910330 485080 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using those "lookaround assertions"
< 1426910331 980258 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?!P) is not preceded by P
< 1426910338 549895 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1426910341 746353 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the complement?
< 1426910342 230116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. it'll look even outside the parentheses.
< 1426910343 849381 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh
< 1426910345 833187 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1426910362 7872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :regexps are too complicated and it's too 4 am for them :(
< 1426910373 740469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regexps are the best.
< 1426910393 485976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But regular languages support intersection and complement, so it's silly that regular expressions don't.
< 1426910414 302113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can implement them more efficiently in practice for the cases that people would care about.
< 1426910417 904398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't really know.
< 1426910522 269464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: does edirc have a bug bounty if I manage to break out of ed? :p
< 1426910542 954096 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you'd win my gratitude
< 1426910571 361962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably too lazy to actually try fuzzing it locally
< 1426910586 526301 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+t1
< 1426910589 485653 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+t1
< 1426910591 664649 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,n
< 1426910591 784269 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 hello world
< 1426910591 904007 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 hello world
< 1426910592 28958 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 hello world
< 1426910597 819507 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+t2
< 1426910600 147325 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,n
< 1426910600 505854 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 hello world
< 1426910600 626290 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 hello world
< 1426910600 627545 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 hello world
< 1426910602 464622 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 hello world
< 1426910615 171429 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh
< 1426910632 155773 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while and i don't really remember all of this
< 1426910647 451547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+q
< 1426910652 281034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1426910655 177221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my leet hacker skills are not enough
< 1426910710 327775 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice try tho
< 1426910724 201741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I get points for trying?
< 1426910735 246383 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1426910747 888491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's got to be worth at least a 100th of a gratitude!
< 1426910756 101137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gratiton. the fundamental gratitude particle
< 1426910823 274116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to not be sleep deprived when new people join ideally
< 1426910841 318344 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes now it sleeps 2 secs after printing 3 lines
< 1426910930 115084 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,d
< 1426910932 781413 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+i
< 1426910935 931468 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+reeter
< 1426910937 866483 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+.
< 1426910943 152296 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+streetlight
< 1426910944 829435 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+p
< 1426910944 973104 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :lighter
< 1426910947 490381 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada
< 1426910983 466736 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :streetlight == s/ree/ligh/
< 1426911029 935669 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so sleepy time for me :P
< 1426911036 220996 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice chan ^^
< 1426911040 356382 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sorry for the bot spam
< 1426911043 827232 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+w !sh
< 1426911043 920514 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1426911053 982157 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+h
< 1426911054 144776 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shell access restricted
< 1426911073 648498 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1426911078 947559 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can export the file you're editing
< 1426911081 257229 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :with X
< 1426911083 705028 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+X
< 1426911083 947424 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :8
< 1426911085 792626 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/MaxYHB/raw
< 1426911115 269263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night
< 1426911120 369485 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite :)
< 1426911143 85834 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nity-nite
< 1426911257 302461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder if that operation is computable. <-- it's trivial when the "regexp" is in DFA form, the hard but still well-known part is converting back and forth
< 1426911390 950767 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :source https://github.com/izabera/edirc
< 1426911416 900800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :edirc: are you a ghost?
< 1426911427 53348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intersection NFAs isn't completely obvious, I think.
< 1426911445 147358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The annoying thing is that you need a multiplicative number of states, not just additive like for union.
< 1426911470 796541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess that's the only nonobvious part.
< 1426911489 836341 :fractal!~fractal@2607:fcd0:100:4300::3e34:746 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1426911505 483882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thus why i said DFAs. by the way that also applies to !P
< 1426911532 216236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was also nonobvious for DFAs, but I guess it depends on what you consider obvious.
< 1426911562 233199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sure it applies to !P, since A&B = !((!A)|(!B))
< 1426911567 472681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"running two DFAs in parallel, construct an equivalent one by pairing states"
< 1426911576 854245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i consider obvious.
< 1426911580 177213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what
< 1426911622 84565 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the intersection construction is pretty trivial
< 1426911623 304183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you get any boolean combination that way
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< 1426926677 652772 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If 's plastic top is damaged, could that mean it contacted electronics and damaged something?
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< 1426927804 474663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t asTypeIn
< 1426927805 447571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> (a -> b) -> a
< 1426927821 519563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it's _not_ a -> f a -> a ?
< 1426927865 211826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit why does lambdabot have a function that i cannot hoogle
< 1426928198 823064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does. i thought i saw it mentioned but i cannot remember the name.
< 1426928206 675731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> asTypehuh
< 1426928208 93048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘asTypehuh’
< 1426928215 373696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> asTypeO
< 1426928216 757168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘asTypeO’
< 1426928216 758431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1426928216 758478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘asTypeOf’ (imported from Prelude), ‘asTypeIn’ (line 161)
< 1426928226 691935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> asType
< 1426928227 934166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘asType’
< 1426928227 985975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1426928227 986690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘asTypeOf’ (imported from Prelude), ‘asTypeIn’ (line 161)
< 1426928238 377633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well seems there isn't another
< 1426928436 986742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh it's not in the default lambdabot distribution
< 1426928468 905936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: where can i see the default L.hs lambdabot actually _uses_?
< 1426928485 150998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0`asTypeIn`)
< 1426928486 565016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator ‘L.asTypeIn’ [infixl 0] of a section
< 1426928486 685332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower precedence than that of the operand,
< 1426928486 686253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : namely ‘GHC.Base.$’ [infixr 0]
< 1426928503 718432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the repository one only has 79 lines
< 1426928867 434133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION called it asTypeInside in his SO answer, anyway.
< 1426928886 708297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t asTypeParam
< 1426928887 674485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘asTypeParam’
< 1426928890 312430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t asTypeParamOf
< 1426928891 287061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘asTypeParamOf’
< 1426928902 469992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have been more technically correct
< 1426928937 817983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although asType* is probably only used by people who want to avoid extensions anyway.
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< 1426930795 418186 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t asAppliedTo
< 1426930796 285782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> a -> a -> b
< 1426930837 238361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh
< 1426930877 783621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> asAppliedTo succ 1 2
< 1426930879 655105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3
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< 1426930903 31803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:24: parse error on input ‘'’
< 1426930906 516246 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (succ `asAppliedTo` 'a') []
< 1426930907 918375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ""
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< 1426932194 889937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it turned out my answer was nonsense, anyway
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< 1426937411 821418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the L.hs file is not visible anywhere. I keep a more-or-less up-to-date copy of the Pristine.hs file in the 'freenode' branch on github.
< 1426937593 429358 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry, missed the "default" word there
< 1426937753 465266 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree sorry
< 1426937753 587090 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : s sosororrrryry y
< 1426937816 281280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree APOLOGY ACCEPTED
< 1426937816 318128 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAPAPOPOLOLOLOGOGYGY Y A ACACCCCECEPEPTPTETEDEDD
< 1426937835 194822 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree sorority
< 1426937835 195502 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssosorororororirititytyy
< 1426937874 205409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree infinity
< 1426937874 326489 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iininfnfifinininititytyy
< 1426937974 544515 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite titties
< 1426938011 251416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rerere sorority
< 1426938011 356101 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sosrosorororirotirytiyty
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< 1426938077 451597 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid, how did this happen: http://qdb.us/310139
< 1426938099 246498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that last Is is basically the same as Data.Typeable.:~:
< 1426938295 110218 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That whole collection of code is quite random.
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< 1426938369 595326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1426938382 311460 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :very.
< 1426938428 890209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote emptiness
< 1426938430 96945 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1426938447 656260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's not one of the ones stolen from the quotedb
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< 1426939193 745900 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run awk '{if(NR==FNR){a[NR]=$0;if(l
< 1426941553 381428 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1426941726 290502 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a what?
< 1426941747 773506 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is very offended
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< 1426941879 383946 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell®rjan.
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< 1426942202 726271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bodettermiddagly
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< 1426942839 662891 :Decim!~QuinDecim@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout I give you the 'Ole razzle dazzle
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< 1426943019 305880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whois is so revealing
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< 1426943343 774303 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decim: what's a razzle dazzle?
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< 1426944038 248001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ...what is that awk snippet doing?
< 1426944039 498568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh
< 1426944045 540115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically cat
< 1426944055 290127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking you were somehow calculating Meow~~ from chirp
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< 1426944263 424448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t asProxyTypeOf
< 1426944264 550010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘asProxyTypeOf’
< 1426944267 527875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Proxy.asProxyTypeOf
< 1426944268 761415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> Proxy a -> a
< 1426944271 447432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ^
< 1426944276 345395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why isn't that imported...?)
< 1426944288 337515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: useless, should have been proxy a
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< 1426944295 592016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1426944296 598935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1426944297 326092 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1426944298 106956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the tagged package
< 1426944300 144530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not in lambdabot
< 1426944305 47180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess lambdabot is using an old version of tagged
< 1426944310 255171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in Data.Proxy either
< 1426944330 151801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in base)
< 1426944342 177239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1426944352 309803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem is that the new Data.Proxy is worse than the one in the package :(
< 1426944367 79812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk: can you get base:Data.Proxy.asProxyTypeOf's "Proxy" lowercased? :p
< 1426944375 987388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does that require three committee meetings and a popular vote
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< 1426944560 676338 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a :: a -> p a -> a in a () undefined
< 1426944562 64381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type signature for ‘a’ lacks an accompanying binding
< 1426944572 891862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: also, anyone who ends up in this place is definitely a nerd, sorry :(
< 1426944572 946335 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a :: a -> p a -> a; a = const in a () undefined
< 1426944574 347792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : ()
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< 1426944675 346682 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: eh? what is p in that type signature?
< 1426944700 308504 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: izabhellora. don't worry. understand fungot and everything will be fine.
< 1426944700 709964 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: afaik chicken only generates c code. not as nice
< 1426944733 944018 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that fungot understands boily, too.
< 1426944734 51711 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: this isn't lisp already metalisp?
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< 1426945099 603001 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I supposed it ends up being any p :: * -> *
< 1426945164 836924 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: so it's possible to have a “p a” somewhere without any constraints? I didn't know that.
< 1426945280 945772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like you can have foo :: a -> b with no constraints on a
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< 1426957818 621111 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rerere abcde
< 1426957818 624139 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :abacbadcbedcede
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< 1426957836 88100 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree abcde
< 1426957836 88766 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aababcbcdcdedee
< 1426958027 602645 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree I think I'm just going to put ^rreree before everything I say.
< 1426958027 715349 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :II I t ththihininknk k I I'I'm'm m j jujusustst t g gogoioiningng g t toto o p puputut t ^ ^r^rrrrerererereeee e b bebefefofororere e e evevevereryrytyththihiningng g I I I s sasayay.y..
< 1426958048 34009 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rreree This will greatly enhance the experience of all involved.
< 1426958048 128997 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TThThihisis s w wiwilillll l g grgrereaeatatltlyly y e enenhnhahanancncece e t ththehe e e exexpxpepereririeienencncece e o ofof f a alallll l i ininvnvovololvlveveded.d..
< 1426958465 83276 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rerere At least ^rreree is more readable than ^rerere.
< 1426958465 124527 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AtA tAl tel aelsaetsa ts^ tr^ rr^errrerereeer eei esi sim som romero err eer aerdaeadabadlbaelb elt eht ahtnah na^ nr^ er^rererererere.er.e.
< 1426958560 917476 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ rerere=: 3 :'(y,'' ''"0 y){~0,+/\({~?~@#)1 1 _1#~<:#y'
< 1426958561 406261 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |ok
< 1426958570 900806 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ rerere 'This will greatly enhance the experience of all involved.
< 1426958571 353153 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |open quote
< 1426958571 353996 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | rerere 'This will greatly enhance the experience of all involved.
< 1426958571 354051 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | ^
< 1426958573 794448 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ rerere 'This will greatly enhance the experience of all involved.'
< 1426958574 60934 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |value error: rerere
< 1426958574 61662 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | rerere'This will greatly enhance the experience of all involved.'
< 1426958587 954960 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ rerere
< 1426958588 441013 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |value error: rerere
< 1426958592 956606 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ rerere=: 3 :'(y,'' ''"0 y){~0,+/\({~?~@#)1 1 _1#~<:#y'
< 1426958593 376869 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |ok
< 1426958596 262175 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ rerere
< 1426958596 734366 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |value error: rerere
< 1426958604 358804 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1426958608 720790 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ foo=: 43
< 1426958608 843349 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the outer ' ' mess with the inner ones
< 1426958609 259532 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |ok
< 1426958611 458993 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ foo
< 1426958611 990667 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |value error: foo
< 1426958620 191955 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's just the bot that's broken
< 1426958634 307760 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem
< 1426958642 556984 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uhm is this channel only full of bots or what
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< 1426958647 967397 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bot
< 1426958647 968119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1426958649 569828 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] rerere=: 3 :'(y,'' ''"0 y){~0,+/\({~?~@#)1 1 _1#~<:#y'
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< 1426958651 733913 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 123
< 1426958652 483255 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ( note that i said " abstract character" as a yes :) thats why i was wondering
< 1426958655 9757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Hi
< 1426958656 50363 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1426958660 473700 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] rerere 'This will greatly enhance the experience of all involved.'
< 1426958660 697309 :evalj!~jeval@5400AF94.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ThThisihis sihis w w sisihThThisis wiw s wiliwilillll greatly enhahance ththe experepxperieirieieieienence of fof f alall i i llall l i invovnvovnvovnvololved.d.d.ded. .
< 1426958672 908062 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] rerere 'fungot, is this channel only full of bots or what?'
< 1426958673 10946 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: there are a few euros attached to it
< 1426958673 177511 :evalj!~jeval@5400AF94.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: f funufungot, i i is thisisis chchc c c chchannenelelel o o onlylylno onononly f fufufufufufulull o of f b botstotststs ororor w whwhat?t?
< 1426958690 712923 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8-ball is this channel only full of bots or what?
< 1426958691 769957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reply hazy try again.
< 1426958693 638763 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia is absent without leave
< 1426958713 950713 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zemhill_: how did you work again?
< 1426958769 777013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: it's like 7-10% bot iirc
< 1426958779 895732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. yeah.
< 1426958787 413967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually people are slightly less spammy with them though :p
< 1426958787 910105 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes
< 1426958789 9192 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
< 1426958794 178935 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what? really? if that was true, we needed more bots
< 1426958798 636995 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think we already have more
< 1426958804 482368 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey there's no thutubot
< 1426958808 331373 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can edirc use
< 1426958811 140458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1426958811 141107 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information.
< 1426958811 222323 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ ?
< 1426958811 384162 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1426958811 919763 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1426958823 324029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot is only incredibly rarely around so yeah
< 1426958825 699218 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust [+]
< 1426958825 700025 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: "!zjoust progname code". See http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for documentation.
< 1426958829 477869 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426958832 733020 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust overflow [+]
< 1426958833 350419 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e.overflow: points -25.40, score 3.66, rank 47/47
< 1426958849 517340 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :
< 1426958853 801458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust overflow [+]
< 1426958862 769921 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for int-e_overflow: 9.4
< 1426958870 713457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes people talk here!!
< 1426958873 388784 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust nooverflow +[+]
< 1426958873 875318 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas.nooverflow: points -26.21, score 3.50, rank 47/47
< 1426958881 386774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tell us about people
< 1426958881 510065 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: me too!
< 1426958891 592339 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I knew that
< 1426958892 2925 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: just for the record, it was a clever magician, so he didn't try to open a new structure in some module
< 1426958909 867918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is magical
< 1426958910 298610 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i had forgot there was a problem sending the command to push constant values into the list right?). having to learn a programming language in its own command, for efficiency
< 1426958921 525427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you a speaking parrot?
< 1426958921 634210 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: " fsn only worked on what the program does
< 1426958935 854093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok seriously
< 1426958940 379277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut down on the botspam :p
< 1426958956 159673 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/
< 1426958965 446227 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ rerere 'cut down on the botspam :p'
< 1426958965 999864 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |value error: rerere
< 1426958966 580 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | rerere'cut down on the botspam :p'
< 1426958969 615947 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :] rerere 'cut down on the botspam :p'
< 1426958969 856203 :evalj!~jeval@5400AF94.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: c c cut d d dodown o n ono o onon t t n the e e e bototstspstotststspam :p p
< 1426958990 380303 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :So myndzi is broken, sigh.
< 1426958995 717153 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1426959003 42902 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1426959023 657638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're making me want to +m >_>
< 1426959099 451240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait till we start asking evalj for ascii-art mandelbrot fractal and the like
< 1426959212 589425 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does clog have a +q?
< 1426959294 35171 :nc_jonas!~x@5400AF94.dsl.pool.telekom.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: besides, that wouldn't work too well on a -n channel
< 1426959301 966476 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Just In Case.
< 1426959545 787246 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, mystery solved. http://sprunge.us/BAZJ (this was 2011-05-13 but I suspect elliott's self assessment has not changed significantly in the meantime :-P)
< 1426959579 150815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a very different person to who I was four years ago.
< 1426959606 59826 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure, but do you consider yourself sane?
< 1426959621 860458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... my diagnoses say otherwise
< 1426959630 25565 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+q != +b
< 1426959630 146214 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1426959637 287000 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit edirc stfu
< 1426959650 881538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1426959655 374395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like using ed for real!
< 1426959661 846716 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i have to be fooled by my own bot -.-
< 1426959667 768575 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426959715 245106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+e /etc/passwd
< 1426959715 776348 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1426959719 945050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too easy
< 1426959721 115963 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :+h
< 1426959721 231400 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: buffer modified
< 1426959734 837954 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it doesn't really work
< 1426959736 373918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I know that. (But I had to look up how to get the list of active quiets.)
< 1426959740 485963 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just re reads the same file
< 1426959752 130687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1426959757 54844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're using red?
< 1426959759 30461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it's called
< 1426959768 934491 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :red can edit other files
< 1426959772 444042 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i patched it :P
< 1426959775 456855 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :disabled a few functions
< 1426959775 937555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1426959787 91424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced of its security in 2015.
< 1426959795 64420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm also too lazy to dig through what is probably a lot of code to exploit it
< 1426959802 991524 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1426959810 602282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming it's GNU >.>)
< 1426959819 128291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be easier to plant a backdoor
< 1426959820 28977 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes gnu ed
< 1426959846 301211 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, delicious GNU bugginess.
< 1426959858 910757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a link to the source?
< 1426959860 332029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the bot I mean
< 1426959862 581699 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pssst, musl's awesome)
< 1426959864 581628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1426959870 270700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bot linked that itself
< 1426959872 751280 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/izabera/edirc/blob/master/edirc
< 1426959944 453410 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,p
< 1426959944 688997 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :lighter
< 1426959976 766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thisis really fancy for bash
< 1426959977 573168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*this is
< 1426959983 740632 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs sucks
< 1426959999 278992 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1426960000 728289 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash rocks u_u
< 1426960039 6178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :masochist :P
< 1426960053 932100 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1426960083 577336 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, there's a befunge bot and i'm the masochist
< 1426960084 802341 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1426960123 369907 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no fungeshock
< 1426960128 485589 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not have written that in bash myself. I'm kinda impressed really.
< 1426960129 463289 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1426960131 428396 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :your thoughts
< 1426960137 424326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge doesn't require you to quote everything!
< 1426960156 142979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge has multiple implementations >.>
< 1426960172 670109 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: POSIX sh has multiple implementations. :P
< 1426960208 407899 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course this is the least POSIX shell script)
< 1426960239 881339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides this channel can support multiple masochists
< 1426960351 539892 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they want money
< 1426960389 842876 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it supports several ed sessions...
< 1426960401 426074 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun.
< 1426960408 227094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: do you write your web 2.0 applications in bash too
< 1426960464 201811 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be implemented on top of http://bellard.org/jslinux/
< 1426960472 268391 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Writing CGI in bash is pretty easy (if frightening).
< 1426960499 230519 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tricky bit is doing an HTTP server.
< 1426960528 849726 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have one in bash for you, but one in C isn't that bad.
< 1426960653 678371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I regret saying that already
< 1426960710 961915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is the wrong channel for regrets.
< 1426960720 116046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1426961099 321652 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sides, what's not to love? http://sprunge.us/fBPj
< 1426961203 329880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not bash code.
< 1426961226 606810 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:57 < pikhq> I don't have one in bash for you, but one in C isn't that bad.
< 1426961503 967386 :zemhill_!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndoDaan.BeatYouMate: points -1.79, score 18.80, rank 24/47 (+1)
< 1426961839 757502 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426961920 575147 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1426961924 496583 :J_Arcane_!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :J_Arcane
< 1426962920 138416 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ is there a legal way to watch the 3d versions of 3d movies?
< 1426963142 412249 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: um. what kind of movies are you planning on watching?
< 1426963152 597643 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avatar comes to mind
< 1426963167 824343 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does The Last Airbender, but that's not a movie I'm inclined to watch again
< 1426963259 927646 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avatar in particular? Sure. Purchase a 3D TV, a 3D Bluray player, and the Avatar 3D Bluray.
< 1426963274 848298 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426963292 746120 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have the 3D Bluray player without a 3D TV?
< 1426963303 434877 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Oculus Rift + some software could be used like a 3DTV
< 1426963315 952115 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had some fun watching demos meant for 3DTV on YouTube
< 1426963322 979571 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, that would make sense but I do not know for certain.
< 1426963526 896866 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS2C4UWu-pk was a fantastic experience, in a virtual theater
< 1426963860 726503 :FleurRose!~Fleur@unaffiliated/fleur QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1426964778 986743 :lleu!~gnomebad@158.223.178.117 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426964978 786031 :lleu!~gnomebad@158.223.178.117 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1426964985 921739 :lleu!~gnomebad@158.223.178.117 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426965341 922431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome lleu
< 1426965343 469703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13lleu: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. \ This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. \ \ Written by Paul Rubin, David MacKenzie, and Stuart Kemp.
< 1426987410 29990 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmhhhh
< 1426987411 358341 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just dated
< 1426987414 598779 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1426987417 173540 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.13
< 1426987460 394346 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, just use 2>/dev/null :P
< 1426987538 963556 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
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< 1426987572 610977 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1426987597 611418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`m4 twolines
< 1426987604 650638 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426987630 7525 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep s twolines
< 1426987631 131324 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426987648 194450 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426987674 920368 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dcziqlhauudewnhv QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1426987696 67936 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cut -f1- twolines
< 1426987697 371785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426987726 957966 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426987792 169473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426987796 156101 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` less twolines
< 1426987800 15059 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426987815 190318 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426987832 693133 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ex -sc "1,$p|q" twolines
< 1426987840 870923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which less
< 1426987844 349068 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426987844 625160 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/less
< 1426987866 375045 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: less acts like cat if the output is not a terminal
< 1426987868 107199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1426987868 289724 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426987898 272293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never tried running it that way, obviously
< 1426987915 493183 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cp twolines /dev/stdout
< 1426987916 398842 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426987935 532511 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv twolines /dev/stdout
< 1426987936 668267 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: inter-device move failed: `twolines' to `/dev/stdout'; unable to remove target: Read-only file system
< 1426987939 700338 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1426987961 807238 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1426987965 421614 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool
< 1426987965 699399 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :head and tail will also work (since the file is short)
< 1426987968 449624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a detailed error message
< 1426987996 231820 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426987998 485322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv twolines /dev/fnord
< 1426987999 535677 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: inter-device move failed: `twolines' to `/dev/fnord'; unable to remove target: Read-only file system
< 1426988010 268289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /dev/fnord
< 1426988012 497814 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /dev/fnord: No such file or directory
< 1426988038 601121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not very precise that last message
< 1426988064 30903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` pwd
< 1426988064 896350 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv
< 1426988081 21613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv twolines /hackenv/twolines
< 1426988081 984270 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: `twolines' and `/hackenv/twolines' are the same file
< 1426988084 321801 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1426988138 587843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while read f ; do printf "%s\n" $f; done < twolines
< 1426988139 738925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how it gets to give "unable to remove target" when the target doesn't exist, given that it has to check whether they're the same file before it can try the removal.
< 1426988139 751345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426988182 639605 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426988182 860407 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1426988196 109919 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mapfile < twolines; printf %s "${MAPFILE[@]}"
< 1426988196 860746 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426988222 327514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mapfile --help
< 1426988223 273449 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: mapfile: not found
< 1426988231 374205 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bash builtin
< 1426988235 103638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1426988237 542247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help mapfile
< 1426988238 51359 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1426988244 321207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` help mapfile
< 1426988246 746324 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapfile: mapfile [-n count] [-O origin] [-s count] [-t] [-u fd] [-C callback] [-c quantum] [array] \ Read lines from the standard input into an indexed array variable. \ \ Read lines from the standard input into the indexed array variable ARRAY, or \ from file descriptor FD if the -u option is supplied. The variable MAPFILE \
< 1426988250 936418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` lynx -source twolines 2>/dev/null
< 1426988255 927744 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1426988268 979033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for me :P
< 1426988279 489671 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` lynx -source twolines
< 1426988280 568227 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ Configuration file "/etc/lynx-cur/lynx.cfg" is not available.
< 1426988316 991477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -pe '' twolines
< 1426988318 50176 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426988321 984527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you having a "write cat" competition
< 1426988327 38124 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` lynx -cfg=/dev/null -source twolines
< 1426988328 186586 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ Lynx file "/etc/lynx-cur/lynx.lss" is not available.
< 1426988333 6474 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yess :D
< 1426988372 358725 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-klmfnlmcjhjzdzoy QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1426988519 785738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is _so_ messing up my obsessive logreading order
< 1426988572 16790 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426988586 291472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pod2text --code twolines
< 1426988593 754033 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426988607 866930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn you did both sed and perl already
< 1426988617 117202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose those were too easy
< 1426988626 579362 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`strings twolines
< 1426988627 619576 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426988665 659043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: how do you know about all these obscure bash things
< 1426988670 915396 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is mostly looking for things that act like cat on the specific given input, but aren't.
< 1426988675 88725 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live in #bash
< 1426988683 256496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
< 1426988689 240068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't you just denying being a nerd earlier :p
< 1426988715 878779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lainerd
< 1426988732 150805 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 37% nerd, ok
< 1426988740 726600 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a nerd-o-meter
< 1426988755 895618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that very fact makes you 100% nerd
< 1426988766 626199 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1426988775 752360 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i had a non-nerd-o-meter?
< 1426988784 581864 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which recode
< 1426988785 729235 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1426988796 51768 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which dos2unix
< 1426988797 228948 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1426988803 193789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run interps/egobf/src/egobfi8 <(echo ',[.,]') < twolines # except if you start this way, there's going to be no end
< 1426988804 186105 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426988811 289556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything involving having meters that in some way correlate to your nerdiness is inherently nerdy
< 1426988818 251027 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit
< 1426988829 906605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: doesn't work for files with nul bytes!
< 1426988834 807141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cpp -o /dev/output twolines
< 1426988836 136738 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc1: fatal error: opening output file /dev/output: Read-only file system \ compilation terminated.
< 1426988842 794723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1426988849 574417 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pr twolines
< 1426988851 95591 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ \ 2015-03-22 01:07 twolines Page 1 \ \ \ first \ second
< 1426988856 98455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cpp -o - twolines
< 1426988857 292369 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :# 1 "twolines" \ # 1 "" \ # 1 "twolines" \ first \ second
< 1426988864 113091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not that :P
< 1426988877 920562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1426988890 532277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426988932 234564 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` shuf twolines
< 1426988933 7127 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :second \ first
< 1426988934 778886 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` shuf twolines
< 1426988935 586988 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :second \ first
< 1426988938 6708 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` shuf twolines
< 1426988938 843477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426988941 150490 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1426989007 262651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: ooh ooh
< 1426989011 720885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you set shuf's seed
< 1426989020 215595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : --random-source=FILE
< 1426989020 270935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : get random bytes from FILE
< 1426989021 334327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesss
< 1426989037 799301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have to craft a file that makes it output files in order
< 1426989039 718379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` xargs -n1 /tmp/tmp.bf && interps/befunge/bef.bin /tmp/tmp.bf < twolines
< 1426989211 37034 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426989230 862896 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` { nc -q1 -l -p 12345 < twolines > /dev/null & }; sleep 1; nc 127.0.0.1 12345 < /dev/null
< 1426989231 360634 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426989238 537871 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice
< 1426989268 918457 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` nl twolines | cut -f2-
< 1426989270 181513 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426989276 800557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run socat STDIN STDOUT < twolines
< 1426989278 346162 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426989302 718082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thanks to nc for inspiration.)
< 1426989312 324356 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426989424 386244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all disgusting
< 1426989430 437516 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` gzip -c twolines | zcat
< 1426989432 56317 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426989435 566884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1426989447 178897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426989447 270083 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426989641 208915 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1426989645 894436 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1426989656 212660 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426989703 941211 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1426989719 622205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rev _>
< 1426989948 492660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bzip2 -c twolines | bzcat # in the spirit of trivial variations
< 1426989949 556924 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426990022 658296 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` whicg xz lzma
< 1426990023 550612 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: whicg: command not found
< 1426990027 264630 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which xz lzma
< 1426990030 256730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/xz \ /usr/bin/lzma
< 1426990138 532365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/rot13
< 1426990139 492088 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print_args_or_input "$@" | tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M
< 1426990146 684516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rot13 twolines | rot13
< 1426990147 943354 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twolines
< 1426990172 813606 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rot13 < twolines | rot13
< 1426990174 447845 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426990191 201833 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this counts for you :P
< 1426990223 289521 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` first() { echo first; }; second() { echo second; }; source twolines
< 1426990224 164715 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first \ second
< 1426990234 782204 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1426990251 557141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i guess that's perfection
< 1426990270 555258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well, close.
< 1426990294 259755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're approaching a narcissist variant
< 1426990312 133931 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1426990329 620543 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the destructive variant: true > twolines
< 1426990338 144118 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426990347 911046 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless use of true :P
< 1426990384 742197 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so it is
< 1426990388 993818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like useless use of cat :(
< 1426990395 688672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` < twolines
< 1426990396 941605 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1426990400 773124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :< twolines works in zsh
< 1426990404 84831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1426990405 162112 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1426990416 337777 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh is way cool with its MULTIOS system
< 1426990417 924756 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny that $(< foo) works
< 1426990426 143291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that.
< 1426990478 757181 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I got my domain name corrected
< 1426990505 384424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that took a while
< 1426990548 248699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your shell knowledge scares me
< 1426990568 979342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :multios sounds like some ancient precursor to multics
< 1426990581 444427 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Ghost in a shell. )
< 1426990609 281955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>* is a good zsh program to ruin everything in your cwd
< 1426990621 468465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pointy smiley with an evil goatee
< 1426990621 722882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>*
< 1426990632 445443 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1426990641 699542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this shell does not sound cat-proof
< 1426990657 574646 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes it did take a while because they did not have time to fix it before, but now they did.
< 1426990717 143343 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1426990718 539902 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1426990744 681788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how ghosty of you
< 1426990764 514691 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode
< 1426990765 512293 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE]
< 1426990800 921912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there were any message characters at all
< 1426990830 196957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(irssi/putty seemed to think the line stopped there)
< 1426990835 563540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1426990850 491718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh scratch that
< 1426990862 634431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to keep track of trailing spaces
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< 1426990934 19975 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was just my terminal freaking out on me.
< 1426990936 290574 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC does not really support empty messages.
< 1426990951 564233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose
< 1426991056 345626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot remember the irssi command to make a raw irc command (it's _not_ /raw)
< 1426991057 545804 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you try to send empty message you will get a 412 error message.
< 1426991067 412203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok
< 1426991071 38427 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can add spaces and then it will work
< 1426991160 944623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it was /quote
< 1426991204 510444 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in IRC client I am using it is /RAW to send raw data to the remote host, although I have never needed it and is probably unnecessary; it does absolutely no processing on the data if doing this and doesn't even add CRLF (you must add that by yourself)
< 1426991224 965015 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1426991273 664225 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but writing a \n will be hard
< 1426991306 425271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1426991324 834310 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in the client I use, you can push CTRL+P before any character to insert that character raw into the input buffer, so you can do it that way
< 1426991336 274426 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server will interpret it
< 1426991392 449482 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once it is sent it will, yes
< 1426991424 633336 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah writing \n may be easy but receiving it is not
< 1426991445 526531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall irssi used to have a /quote version that didn't append \r\n but i cannot find it again
< 1426991481 192660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i managed to ping out because of it before i realized it wasn't the useful command
< 1426991483 803767 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1426991505 440745 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also if the raw data contains a space, you will need to put a colon in front, because the client interprets the commands in the same way of the server interpreting commands.)
< 1426991508 267354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably the text got prepended to the following PONG
< 1426991509 648283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
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< 1426991536 71298 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I would suppose that's why it does that
< 1426991568 76720 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"CATATONIC CHICKEN"
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< 1426991623 238322 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I have never needed /RAW because the default processing of commands in this client works good enough
< 1426991718 703155 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The purposes of /RAW are things that never seem necessary, but are: Sending commands in lowercase, sending commands that start with a slash or space, prevent automatically changing the channel, and send other control characters that the server might use but aren't IRC commands (this probably never happens, but just in case)
< 1426991738 914046 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, perhaps, sending mispaired CR/LF for testing purposes
< 1426991804 645300 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or sending nonstandard commands (I have aliases NS = QUOTE NICKSERV and CS = QUOTE CHANSERV)
< 1426991806 15609 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I don't know if anyone has ever needed such a thing at all.
< 1426991819 829730 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: No it isn't needed for the client I am using.
< 1426991881 576790 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the IRC server already supports NS and CS commands directly.
< 1426991914 687757 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you type "NS INFO" then you can see the information of your account.
< 1426991983 497166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm not using your client
< 1426992022 662650 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although, the IRC server already can use NS and CS commands
< 1426992027 3819 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, Freenode can.
< 1426992038 64073 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and irssi doesn't have its own builtin commands for ns/nickserv or cs/chanserv.
< 1426992057 133834 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NICKSERV and NS are aliases on the server side)
< 1426992087 668249 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't irssi send unknown commands as raw?
< 1426992093 319021 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, so the server already supports it; the client doesn't need its own builtin commands for such things
< 1426992305 978441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1426992314 971614 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but in *this* client, /quote is how you issue server side commands that the client doesn't support directly.
< 1426992364 855203 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still the client doesn't need it builtin if it has such thing as that too
< 1426992398 903597 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways NS and CS isn't a standard IRC command, but some IRC servers do add extra commands on for various reasons and it is sometimes useful to have.
< 1426992548 551799 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as my own IRC adds a FLUSH command to cause it to flush the file buffer to output to the log files of the specified channel. Many add NS and CS, and some have additional services too. There is also a standard SUMMON command although as far as I know, nobody except me implements it.
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< 1426992775 650537 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't log
< 1426992779 207860 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1426992832 48461 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Private messages aren't logged; only permanent channels are logged, and the log files are public.
< 1426992842 199871 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's creepy
< 1426992862 561847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: say hello to clog and glogbot
< 1426992867 243684 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1426992870 97488 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello clog and glogbot
< 1426992871 225583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION _only_ logs private messages, mostly because #esoteric is already publically logged
< 1426992896 762201 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're the bots feeding the two public logs in the topic)
< 1426992901 653975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so it sounds like you and zzo38 together log all messages
< 1426992902 523142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: (this channel is logged >_>)
< 1426992903 151940 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to log private message you send and receive, for your own purpose, is OK
< 1426992906 393732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and google indexes the logs
< 1426992914 721957 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok
< 1426992924 454322 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :having server-wide logs is creepy
< 1426992926 273941 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, in my case I am logging all public messages to permanent channels in public.
< 1426992952 417482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh server-wide
< 1426992970 416945 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still I don't (and don't want to) log private messages.
< 1426992991 324150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if we only were logging the same server
< 1426993024 173240 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can still seend a message to another client directly without being logged (I won't see the message either, unless I am the recipient).
< 1426993090 625613 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In such case you can still get logged by the sender and/or receiver of the message, but not by any other clients nor by the server.)
< 1426993165 805058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IRCnet ircd still supports SUMMON, though it's not enabled by default, or in the IRCnet servers.
< 1426993206 830433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does the write(1)-style of thing of writing to the specified user's tty.)
< 1426993230 86068 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the ircd have perms to write to a tty?
< 1426993236 41707 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have to be on the local system?
< 1426993237 513579 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1426993244 195326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the user has to be on the same system as the ircd
< 1426993257 397358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that's how it has always worked.
< 1426993289 362408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not very useful for most modern uses of IRC, then
< 1426993302 515329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The SUMMON command can be used to give users who are on a host running an IRC server a message asking them to please join IRC. This message is only sent if the target server (a) has SUMMON enabled, (b) the user is logged in and (c) the server process can write to the user's tty (or similar)."
< 1426993309 137586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's very much of a relic.
< 1426993328 831869 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc servers can write to the user's tty. take this, facebook chat
< 1426993411 403213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving them the proper sgid settings is also not part of the standard install, you have to manually arrange for that too.
< 1426993416 735679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also requires IRC username to match UNIX username
< 1426993422 252691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, IRC nick
< 1426993426 884973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hmm
< 1426993431 671753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could SUMMON by username anyway
< 1426993447 325643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you give it a username.
< 1426993477 754647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But IRCnet is all dedicated servers, so it wouldn't be very useful.
< 1426993521 394960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You don't have to be on the same server, you can "SUMMON user some.other.server" too.)
< 1426993601 52270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a relic: write(1). I wouldn't be surprised if these days it's major use was to be a mild annoyance at people who are trying to look at the man page for write(3) but neglect to specify the section.
< 1426994017 437976 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :man proc
< 1426994024 43113 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck not again this stupid tcl man page
< 1426994026 577398 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :man 5 proc
< 1426994147 58868 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my own computer I use sounds to implement SUMMON, although when working on UNIX systems I do tend to tell them that they can just write to my tty or I can write to their tty, although the other people tend to prefer otherwise
< 1426994231 684057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 6 virtual terminals open right now
< 1426994238 445469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people writing to them wouldn't know which one I wanted them to write to
< 1426994245 248167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'm currently not looking at any of them)
< 1426994281 223496 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ones are you logged into though?
< 1426994303 363615 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them or only some?
< 1426994303 415426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're running with my perms
< 1426994314 85248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have another 6 running from getty but I'm not logged into any of those
< 1426994332 181179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I used one earlier to kill a process that was causing swapping)
< 1426994334 611546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this makes me want networked wall
< 1426994341 370517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that was literally what that XP thing was
< 1426994348 574717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when you could pop up an alert box for anyone just by knowing their IP
< 1426994355 618951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember how microsoft released an operating system with that feature??
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< 1426994408 423861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when they released Windows 3.11 for Workgroups, yes.
< 1426994408 462168 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the other method is if you have a IRC server then SUMMON can be used, and then can be implemented according to how it is wanted to implemented.
< 1426994429 252739 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :"feature"
< 1426994453 910520 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use the message send protocol
< 1426994545 843909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you wouldn't even have to know their IP, sending to every IPv4 address in the address space is within the reach of modern computers/connectinos
< 1426994549 964583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*connections
< 1426994559 300648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that involves knowing their IP though
< 1426994565 951029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that is a method of finding their IP
< 1426994571 97864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this is an epistemological objection
< 1426994580 606588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still wouldn't know what their IP was even after the message had been sent
< 1426994590 592171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, okay
< 1426994595 627807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you would know their IP
< 1426994597 531655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not that it's theirs.
< 1426994604 995130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1426994619 57643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the same way everyone knows all the IPs?
< 1426994619 529403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay let's stop this conversation right here before we get deep into semiotics
< 1426994620 881029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I agree with your semantics there
< 1426994624 130941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right.
< 1426994636 199541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we don't "know" all the IPv6s in a concrete sense. okay, this is incoherent
< 1426994648 165271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because there are too many of them?
< 1426994700 944764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1426994715 682579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we have an action to be performed on an IPv4 address
< 1426994717 251424 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1426994718 36011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even 4 billion is a big number
< 1426994724 542070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we want that action to be performed on the address owned by a certain person
< 1426994730 145115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can accomplish this
< 1426994732 915510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1426994735 361876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, depending on what the action is
< 1426994736 320844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even 3714444 is a big number (which is the number of tests my NH4 testsuite wants to run)
< 1426994744 428160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 3714444
< 1426994747 43508 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3714444: 2 2 3 3 3 163 211
< 1426994751 199671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"come to know whether or not the address belongs to a pre-specified person" is not a valid action
< 1426994754 187737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hard!
< 1426994765 506516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it's a write-only action
< 1426994780 89025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is that we can't do the same for IPv6, because brute force isn't a viable strategy there; you need more information.
< 1426994790 202505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right. IPv4 -> (), in a sense.
< 1426994809 333629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, even, IPv4 -> only things derivable from communicating with that address. oh, god, somebody stop me
< 1426994814 639581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense that allows some sort of side effect
< 1426994831 762316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1426994838 773337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a couple of days ago I met an F# fan
< 1426994849 938860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they weren't talking about F#, so it wasn't very informative in that respect
< 1426994981 180477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the point is that Windows XP SP0 wouldn't have had as huge a spam problem if we had moved to IPv6-only before then
< 1426994988 950021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :draw whatever conclusions you wish
< 1426995250 989216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new technologies tend to be widely deployed before people think about their security implications
< 1426995369 467926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, but I actually said draw, not type
< 1426995375 551753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do that again but as an image
< 1426995401 980597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just take a screenshot?
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< 1426995800 233790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think an interpretive dance would be better hth
< 1426995818 331170 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-15-62.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1426995849 395259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: careful you might evoke the wrath of edwardk hth
< 1426995873 918493 :AndoDaan_!~AndoDaan@188.189.81.25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1426995950 166604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sorry i wasn't aware that edwardk hated interpretive dance
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< 1426996196 846032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAJBuGwQEHg
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< 1426997180 419587 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7-Zip can support many file formats, but I want to add also support of Hamster archive (without autodetection). I have successfully used 7-Zip to load .lzh files and .dmg files, as well as .rar files. (Probably hamarc is a better program to deal with Hamster archives, but still it can be useful to support many format in case someone has 7-Zip and try to load it)
< 1426997224 801703 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426997613 183974 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1426997801 88953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, speaking of NH.
< 1426997817 509062 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1426997831 943828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the tube, there was a charity ad for something called the "Orbis Flying Eye Hospital".
< 1426997835 768384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I parsed it wrong.
< 1426997846 54204 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1426997879 996887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although flying isn't quite floating.)
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< 1426997933 294565 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1426997948 986388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil Eye Hospital
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< 1426998919 311020 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1426999068 26819 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/The_Original_Advertisement.jpg
< 1426999698 303397 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see github's unicorn?
< 1426999910 757966 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/9ILmkTW.png here it is
< 1426999959 553321 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that d. shaw's user icon?
< 1426999976 400480 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zed shaw
< 1426999977 399860 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, i've seen it today for the first time
< 1426999978 617277 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone
< 1426999993 391276 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some person in the same group as zed shaw who uses that pic on twitter
< 1427000043 418733 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used it during their downtime today
< 1427000054 963670 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, yesterday
< 1427000079 93014 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it was that unicorn in specific
< 1427000089 546139 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm
< 1427000180 863124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the corn isn't unique
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< 1427000941 860398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to diminish his grief, but has anyone other than b_jonas heard about that Matoušek guy before
< 1427001079 661629 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Nadinepi 5* 10New user account
< 1427001117 110324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any bets on whether or not that's a spambot account?
< 1427001133 123439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sort-of looks like it could be, but "pi" is a bit shorter than their normal surnames
< 1427001146 156869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nadine
< 1427001160 305037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i initially parsed it as 4 random cv syllables
< 1427001178 441163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something a spambot might also do
< 1427001210 183680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, consonant vowel
< 1427001212 909055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't hit the abuse log yet
< 1427001220 437219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you will be sorry when she posts her magnificent circular language
< 1427001240 389704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly elated, it's that magnificent
< 1427001264 473130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ME AM PLAY LINGUIST
< 1427001270 949011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a circular language?
< 1427001287 212897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i dunno but anyone named pi surely knows how to make one
< 1427001302 577706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You reminded me of elementary school English class, where they taught us that you double the second consonant in the "-ing" form of a word when you have a word of the form CVC
< 1427001308 791277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, run->running
< 1427001331 746784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if this rule is legitimate. It surely has exceptions, and at least this differs between US and UK English.
< 1427001353 351793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I probably haven't thought about the c/v thing since then.
< 1427001373 898757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the normal rule is that you have to double the consonant if it'd affect the pronunciation of the last vowel in the word
< 1427001375 301537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been rereading the language construction kit recently
< 1427001379 655427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "runing" would have a long "u"
< 1427001386 995242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i runïng
< 1427001387 988470 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d47c:38a2:8a8b:4287 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1427001399 125567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't like that class very much.
< 1427001415 7622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you do for e.g. "cancel"?
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< 1427001416 632908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you forgot the hth how can edwardk bot impersonate you if you keep changing
< 1427001419 760979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "travel"?
< 1427001421 914586 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cancelling
< 1427001442 8460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: where did you hear about that twh
< 1427001504 619405 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :travelling, sinning, fapping... but it doesn't work for eating or jumping
< 1427001525 537010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : What do you do for e.g. "cancel"? <-- develop a US/UK split, imo
< 1427001607 919713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "cancelling", "travelling" in UK english
< 1427001642 982251 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canadian english tends to be halfway between the two
< 1427001723 451266 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so p, n, and l tend to double while t and d don't
< 1427001746 519058 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, adding does
< 1427001778 756168 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw it english has no damn rules
< 1427001786 398877 :rodgort`!~rodgort@2607:5300:100:200::160d JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427001863 132303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: "add" has two d's already
< 1427001863 723960 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH. it's sort of phonetc
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< 1427001897 733457 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, rapping has a short vowel while raping has a long vowel
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< 1427001946 295391 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if the word has a long vowel like eat, there is no double.
< 1427001988 686539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ear -> earring
< 1427002016 237334 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider hearing versus herring
< 1427002070 587638 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bite biting, blit blitting
< 1427002089 821564 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit my world is changed]
< 1427002145 215970 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf that is a compund word though. ear ring
< 1427002202 343294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll be earring from my lawyer
< 1427002208 334111 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why cupboard isn't cubberd
< 1427002277 662317 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone is runing they are clearly carving runes
< 1427002452 121385 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway to me "Nadinepi" looks like "na-di-ne-pi"
< 1427002497 683464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: where did you hear about that twh <-- check the logs hth
< 1427002516 907506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a quick search with /last didn't find it hth
< 1427002589 69248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if i only kept logs
< 1427002623 759448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: 20:32 one of these days i'll write a shachaf bot that takes random text and puts hth on the end and i,i at the start at random intervals throughout
< 1427002632 587895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh
< 1427002634 602250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK I'VE FOUND THE CULPRIT HTH
< 1427002671 773118 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is i,i?
< 1427002675 815239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scoerjan
< 1427002683 535726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works better if you pronounce j like jack
< 1427002697 871919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't hth
< 1427002724 531902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jack pronounces j like y, though
< 1427002740 528860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway to me "Nadinepi" looks like "na-di-ne-pi" <-- that's equivalent to what i said hth
< 1427002911 798738 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar -xvzf songs.tgz
< 1427002917 326043 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap
< 1427003000 721210 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd claims tar commands are hard to remember but i know them well
< 1427003089 291038 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I don't like is that I don't know how to run ssh and scp in the same terminal
< 1427003170 484519 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I am using tar I just use pipes with tar though
< 1427003387 437690 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is there a way to tar at this end and make a pipe to the other computer?
< 1427003404 674860 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then run tar -x at the other end
< 1427003464 915285 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can use netcat
< 1427003561 523281 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-129-30.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1427003569 36765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1427003569 285912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 220520Z 16005KT 130V200 9999 -SN FEW013 BKN032 M00/M03 Q1012 RMK WIND 670FT 19015KT
< 1427003587 391981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS THERE SNOW OUTSIDE
< 1427003616 236672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok it's melting, but still...)
< 1427003623 195117 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in scandinavia in march hth
< 1427003661 543112 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is snow outside here too
< 1427003716 554534 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ
< 1427003717 192762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 220500Z 30016KT 15SM FEW030 M06/M14 A3014 RMK SC1 SC TR SLP215
< 1427003755 759120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky bragging canadians
< 1427003800 585403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSJC
< 1427003800 870291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSJC 220553Z 29005KT 10SM BKN200 14/10 A3014 RMK AO2 SLP207 T01440100 10222 20144 51013
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< 1427003847 790354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky bragging californians
< 1427003925 298348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LLBG
< 1427003925 561072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLBG 220550Z 27012KT 9999 FEW040 16/06 Q1019 NOSIG
< 1427004165 946077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky bragging californian jews
< 1427004216 286941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa
< 1427004239 243513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't sure whether to leave in the californian
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< 1427004706 400935 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ceekars-4d-headphones-for-vr-games-movies-music why is this a thing
< 1427004717 895134 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should not be a thing, this should be done in software afaik
< 1427004762 952987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from this and xkcd we deduce that it will become immensely popular
< 1427004764 490891 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your ears have two channels... why does any douns system have more than two channels
< 1427004795 925705 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell did I spell sound that badly
< 1427004853 885366 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: well, in theaters, it's hard to make ear A not hear what is intended for ear B
< 1427004860 604968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: it makes sense in a room with several listeners but not in headphones i think
< 1427004905 357804 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that would suggest you should only have one channel
< 1427004935 565095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION carefully moves away
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< 1427005097 746551 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you suggesting the four channels use synced waves to cancel out the left channel at the right ear and cancel the right channel at the left ear?
< 1427005216 432951 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. I guess I'm imaging several surrounding channels used to fake positions poorly, as an imitation of what can be done with true 2 channel audio
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< 1427005262 635887 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... yeah that might work. I'm glad I own earbuds though.
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< 1427005309 670855 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theatres should put headphone jacks on the seats like on an airplane
< 1427005365 504498 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagining
< 1427005371 900807 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that word look so weird
< 1427005420 875957 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the word imagine breaks the "e makes vowels long" rule
< 1427005448 418113 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imaginning
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< 1427005800 488838 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on, what is up with the word poor? sometimes when I say it it rhymes with door, and sometimes with boor.
< 1427005875 136767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea how boor is pronounced
< 1427005885 381349 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like lure
< 1427005895 401585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okau
< 1427005896 301898 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a /u/
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< 1427006166 200598 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. go to this page and click on the play buttons to annoy people
< 1427006169 642152 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA_vowel_chart_with_audio
< 1427006284 487926 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "dude, wtf" "AAHH UUHH OOHH EEE" "come on, stop it!" "AYYY OOUU AWWW"
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< 1427008367 866762 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: are you singing system of a down songs?
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< 1427011639 949695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@version
< 1427011639 950822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot 5.0
< 1427011639 950883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :git clone git://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot.git
< 1427011669 698989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (a,g) = System.Random.random (System.Random.mkStdGen 4) in a :: Int
< 1427011671 166003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (System.Random.Random t0)
< 1427011671 166681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check for ‘g’
< 1427011671 166736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : The type variable ‘t0’ is ambiguous
< 1427011695 856681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most ridiculous failure of type inference ever?
< 1427012109 665095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t System.Random.random
< 1427012110 408607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Random a, RandomGen g) => g -> (a, g)
< 1427012120 126600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and
< 1427012126 865914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (a,_) = System.Random.random (System.Random.mkStdGen 4) in a :: Int
< 1427012128 189126 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : -258552320774346181
< 1427012147 235529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't believe the type of System.Random.random has any implication that the types of a and g are in any way connected
< 1427012162 366717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which explains both the results you show there
< 1427012185 308564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that g is _clearly_ of type StdGen in both cases
< 1427012224 172738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type of _that_ is not polymorphic at all. so why does whether it is named or not affect whether the rest types?
< 1427012260 593740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1427012271 134414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does affect what the _value_ of g is.
< 1427012295 184831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a's type)
< 1427012352 409249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this was an SO question btw)
< 1427012391 462303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Haskell's types aren't meta-polymorphic, in that if you have a variable of type g, that determines whether it's also of type h for any type h
< 1427012407 818878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1427012483 326044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, say in Java
< 1427012494 652742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I have a function that I know outputs a value of type JComponent
< 1427012504 529905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't let me determine whether the output is, say, of type JFrame
< 1427012519 148637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas, in Haskell, if a function outputs a StdGen, I know it's a StdGen and nothinge lse
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< 1427014486 333468 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I dunno, but people keep asking questions about computational geometry on irc and other forums, and these questions are getting more and more relevant these days just like how machine vision is getting more relevant, so I think it can't hurt if at least the mathematically inclined people hear about him.
< 1427014508 848403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1427014675 129420 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: sure, you can use ssh somecomputer tar cC somedir . | tar xv
< 1427014706 167885 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but be careful because the shell will reinterpret that command on the other machine, so you have to quote some characters two or three levels
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< 1427028342 113728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Re the CVC + double-consonant + -ing theory, mix -> mixxing?
< 1427028381 972269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, bow -> bowwing.
< 1427028433 828832 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427028644 492287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or in general with 'w' in the end. (paw, row, saw, sew, tow.)
< 1427028710 905279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ditto for x.)
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< 1427036567 608022 :Jumbo!~Jumbo@103.16.69.19 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427036637 754780 :Jumbo!~Jumbo@103.16.69.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1427036901 298948 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427036981 89242 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jumbhello!
< 1427037217 837758 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes
< 1427037253 540543 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no problem. always at people's service.
< 1427037259 205769 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Jumbo
< 1427037260 877445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Jumbo: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13
< 1427050247 415534 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... sounds ominous. what's a vs?
< 1427051084 569321 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427051593 436751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code looks like an old version of https://github.com/L8D/delvs/ before it acquired socket operations
< 1427051620 71223 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a brainfuck with some extra operations)
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< 1427051926 239693 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1427053337 168912 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it would be if the code for skipping to the closing ] were correct.
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< 1427055849 824673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote django | tail -3
< 1427055850 778755 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :884) `pastequotes django http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5404 I'm still in all of them :( someone else get quoted saying django please \ 1101) `addquote \item `addquote two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst par
< 1427055859 207787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote django | tail -2
< 1427055860 158950 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1101) `addquote \item `addquote two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django \\ elliott\_: another quote? you're not helping \texttt{:/} ← and three giraffes. \ 1115) I love django.
< 1427055907 38096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I was going to
< 1427055909 124022 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. reminiscing about the djangiraffe madness?
< 1427055913 560718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes
< 1427055919 711810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1236) boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes
< 1427055955 708894 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: apparently 87,5% was too low. enjoy your eternal acute djangoness hth
< 1427055968 640816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: belloily. just logreading. i think elliott may be evil hth
< 1427055995 395609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote django | wc
< 1427055996 415671 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 245 1622
< 1427056007 221427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 7/9
< 1427056008 713735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.7777777777777778
< 1427056013 228180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no
< 1427056020 168941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 8/9
< 1427056021 411106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.8888888888888888
< 1427056029 247018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i should know that one.
< 1427056047 434350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 's ok just remember 8 is a lucky number
< 1427056185 121836 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe in elliott's evilness. maybe he ranks at about 3 or 4 millioerjans, which is statistical background noise.
< 1427056203 214772 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat dog # this exists, right?
< 1427056207 853068 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
< 1427056216 276625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fair enough
< 1427056370 202557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 9 more rep...
< 1427056477 790561 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rep, as in lifting?
< 1427056486 815355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in stackoverflow
< 1427056507 979097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reputation)
< 1427056527 172453 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427057136 614436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 i think as and is work fine as is hth
< 1427057136 654416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427057158 99731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may or may not actually mean that
< 1427057461 862766 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is verily tempted to mapole oerjan hth
< 1427057464 104330 :iamevn!~iamevn|@75-139-67-204.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1427057628 941661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 un- is a germanic prefix while an- is latin the labialization only applies to the latter hth
< 1427057628 943765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427057655 578824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 no wait, greek.
< 1427057655 579714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427057669 763966 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"
< 1427057752 237952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 except it doesn't because greek actually uses a- before consonants. latin in- works that way, though.
< 1427057752 278907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427057798 696365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 also ambiguous doesn't actually have an am- prefix.
< 1427057798 697418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427057906 943809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1427058036 490685 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 yes it does. consider biguity.
< 1427058036 530249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427058057 260273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats boily -----###
< 1427058061 208794 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi hi ^^
< 1427058067 833986 :boily!~alexandre@modemcable184.4-177-173.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: AVOCABULANT CHICKEN
< 1427058157 232648 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427058172 916707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily avocabulant isn't a word hth
< 1427058172 988881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427058194 244017 :iamevn!~iamevn|@75-139-67-204.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427058390 826106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 looking at wiktionary, the amb- in ambassador is cognate to ambi- but the path it took is really convoluted.
< 1427058390 926244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427058412 684001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask int-e did you fix the bug where lambdabot drops messages if you get too many twh
< 1427058412 722251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427058532 977765 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-clear
< 1427058533 43565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1427058563 577 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of that bug.
< 1427058603 93221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're still there. my attempt to force my sleeping rhythm later has failed in such a way that my mind thinks it's after midnight already.
< 1427058604 935394 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is looking at the fallout from ghc-7.10.1
< 1427058629 676816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on lambdabot?
< 1427058648 920746 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :its dependencies, mostly
< 1427058968 633527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well the bug hampers my ability to harass^Wadvise ais523 in absentia tdnh
< 1427059032 485703 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated
< 1427059042 864461 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting
< 1427059050 316877 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :patience, the bug has been there for years, surely it can wait a few weeks more
< 1427059057 384841 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1427059093 617453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why does lambdabot depend (indirectly though) on shake...
< 1427059309 370608 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427059335 920903 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you feel about applying https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/blob/79c694230952a8c560e7032b458b42f26661827a/patches/unlambda-0.1.3-ghc-7.10.patch to http://hackage.haskell.org/package/unlambda and making a new release?
< 1427059413 850363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually never been the maintainer for that package despite it descending from my code
< 1427059417 131977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i've
< 1427059446 114821 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the inevitable result of mentioning django
< 1427059466 435037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ah, the inevitable result of mentioning django
< 1427059468 594014 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1237) ah, the inevitable result of mentioning django
< 1427059494 474432 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well there is no maintainer, so you can likely claim it for yourself easily :P
< 1427059499 63595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily you are right i'm more evil than elliott hth
< 1427059499 64878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427059517 694434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: except i don't have a github account hth
< 1427059525 678013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_or_ a hackage one.
< 1427059528 184670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that quote should include me adding the previous one to the qdb, ideally
< 1427059535 915776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the spirit of django quotes being unfunny and confusing
< 1427059538 642200 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the unlambda thing isn't on github anyway
< 1427059546 449359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
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< 1427059731 134580 :f|`-`|f!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1427059737 748270 :f|`-`|f_!~rikc@108-65-78-116.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net NICK :f|`-`|f
< 1427059754 306194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but then i'd have to actually find where you did that.
< 1427059785 382062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can reconstruct it from the previous quote
< 1427059935 28797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh good point
< 1427059947 730772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote django | tail -2
< 1427059949 4507 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1236) boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes \ 1237) ah, the inevitable result of mentioning django
< 1427060046 34332 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, mokus has an unlambda repository on github... I wonder...
< 1427060095 39455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1427060100 315020 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1427060107 280808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `addquote boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes [...] ah, the inevitable result of mentioning django
< 1427060109 919313 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1237) `addquote boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes [...] ah, the inevitable result of mentioning django
< 1427060115 267173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` quote django | tail -2
< 1427060116 407015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1236) boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes \ 1237) `addquote boily: thanks for getting quoted saying django btw, now I'm only in 87.5% of the django quotes [...] ah, the inevitable result of mentioning django
< 1427060754 876378 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d47c:38a2:8a8b:4287 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1427061215 158751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1427061713 842699 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^\s+|$\s+
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< 1427062173 185648 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ㅜㅡㅜ
< 1427062208 742774 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1427063055 971352 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427063540 372904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : < oren> but it is biguated by context – It’s actually ambi- + agere. <-- oh. so _both_ parts of amgiguous and ambassador are cognates...
< 1427063551 521351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1427063604 379973 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427063660 201208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 in fact Melvar mentioned the two parts "ambiguous" come from, and they're cognate to the two parts of "ambassador" :P
< 1427063660 201871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427063778 915786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 essentially both words are originally from something meaning "moving around"
< 1427063778 954545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427063879 461508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 oh and the -m- never was a -n-, as far back as proto-indoeuropean.
< 1427063879 462222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427064205 349666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you'll tell ais523 what he missed, right?
< 1427064255 855432 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it biguated.
< 1427064412 526842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : syn phony <-- actually συμφωνία has a μ in greek hth
< 1427064460 272364 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it membered
< 1427064482 692149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :membered, for the first time
< 1427064511 361787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :member. not even once.
< 1427064571 729309 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people derstand these simple words?
< 1427064641 802350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're so azing
< 1427064688 638775 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re- + memor, under + stand)
< 1427064865 357947 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
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< 1427065300 665845 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1427065812 458634 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unlikely
< 1427065835 458953 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427065840 404904 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When trying to unzip on a Linux system I got "-bash: /net/home/black/bin/unzip: No such file or directory"
< 1427065842 132171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNACCEPTABLE
< 1427065860 914253 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now how am I going to fix it please?
< 1427065930 950163 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curses
< 1427066087 59666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, so that's why cpressey's webpage system is called chrysoberyl
< 1427066111 830236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: huh, so what is that unzip file?
< 1427066162 56796 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would guess that the file exists, but perhaps is referring to an ld.so or shared library that doesn't.
< 1427066212 916575 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I thought
< 1427066223 602594 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since someone told me before thing like that is caused
< 1427066241 311307 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found where I can download the binaries, but how to figure out what libc is needed?
< 1427066276 758112 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought most linux distributions ship some kind of unzip
< 1427066305 177951 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :other ideas ... does jar understand compressed zip files?
< 1427066331 462808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most .jars are compressed zip files.
< 1427066350 442670 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, .jar is also a ZIP archive
< 1427066357 249936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I've always assumed it's all DEFLATE.
< 1427066364 156573 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the system I am using doesn't have jar either
< 1427066365 230966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have not looked in over a decade; they used to be uncompressed.
< 1427066377 282721 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren’t jars just zips with a certain metadata file or files inside?
< 1427066395 415359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: Yes, but you don't need to compress a zip.
< 1427066400 447140 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: the idea was to use jar to unpack the zip file.
< 1427066403 832795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in, there's a "store" compression method.)
< 1427066455 156639 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have 7-Zip either; I checked that too
< 1427066461 63439 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have wget
< 1427066484 581860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: FWIW, a randomly chosen .jar (/usr/share/tomcat7/lib/tomcat-util.jar) was compressed.
< 1427066495 750429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With DEFLATE.)
< 1427066521 821673 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer I am trying to use is x86_64 GNU/Linux and 3.2.0-77-generic #114 Ubuntu
< 1427066540 486514 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the compression method affect anything germane to the idea of using jar to decompress an arbitrary zip?
< 1427066566 655428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: If all .jar files are uncompressed, the jar tool might not support any compression methods.
< 1427066579 907991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: I mean, hypothetically. They're compressed, and it does.
< 1427066585 414556 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1427066863 363622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: look at this wonderful hack: http://sprunge.us/VcXA?sh ;-)
< 1427067049 450323 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I tried one, and it didn't work
< 1427067074 736392 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what distribution are you using anyway?
< 1427067106 619079 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "Linux beryllium 3.2.0-77-generic #114-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 10 17:26:03 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
< 1427067115 703109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1427067116 306219 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no administration access
< 1427067152 246458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, but you can still fetch a .deb for unzip... which are ar files containing tgz files, the binary will be in data.tar.gz (or is it tgz...)
< 1427067152 968071 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I cannot use the package manager.
< 1427067192 842574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can use dpkg-deb to unpack debs without having any special access.
< 1427067193 80406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should have a better chance of working than looking for random binaries
< 1427067273 577873 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then what?
< 1427067304 630509 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have a working unzip binary?
< 1427067394 912536 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know what to do though, yes I do have dpkg-deb but don't know where to find the package or what need to be done with it
< 1427067465 193936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Ubuntu, you can get them at http://packages.ubuntu.com/
< 1427067473 831031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do "lsb_release -a" to figure out the Ubuntu version.
< 1427067476 9915 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=unzip should find the .deb file; onoce unpacked it'll give you an unzip binary
< 1427067512 696936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e's link has list of versions of unzip for each release.
< 1427067588 461979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page for a particular version has a "Download unzip" table for architectures, and Ubuntu's name for x86_86 is "amd64".
< 1427067633 172568 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427067634 518048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dpkg-deb's (rather poor) user interface is "dpkg-deb -x unzip.deb some-directory-name", to extract the package files into some-directory-name, and afterwards you should find a binary in some-directory-name/usr/bin/unzip.
< 1427067664 979851 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK thanks
< 1427067754 500280 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one is the correct package though?
< 1427067811 964681 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1427067903 777528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean which one out of "lucid", "precise", "trusty", "utopic", "vivid" (holy moly, are they up to V already?), lsb_release -a should have a 'codename' field matching one of them. Unless it's a no-longer-supported version of Ubuntu.
< 1427068000 870152 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I see
< 1427068005 115350 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know lsb_release command
< 1427068047 879355 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel version suggests 12.04
< 1427068078 945822 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :("precise")
< 1427068120 306325 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the response I got when I troed lsb_release -a
< 1427068179 591499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably many ways to determine current Ubuntu version. lsb_release is a "standard" tool from the Linux Standard Base, so it can work on other distributions, too. I don't know how widely supported it is.
< 1427068187 368028 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/version/metadata/, the compilation time probably has the most information contents in there)
< 1427068247 465080 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :works in debian (no surprise there), doesn't work in Arch. I wonder about Gentoo...
< 1427068318 465823 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat /etc/issue is another idea
< 1427068341 585529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1427068372 286598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427068656 380546 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I figured out how to unpack it now
< 1427068711 221876 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it by: dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile unzip_6.0-4ubuntu2.3_amd64.deb | tar xO ./usr/bin/unzip > ~/bin/unzip
< 1427068761 288188 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used apt-get download to download the package first; the webpage says using aptitude and I looked at the man page so I figured out now)
< 1427068974 762381 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I downloaded ZORKMID and tried to compile it, I got several warnings about unused return values. I didn't get those messages before.
< 1427069032 556952 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/475057068/frog-fractions-2
< 1427069034 114629 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3:28
< 1427069046 90965 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1427069052 764680 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:29
< 1427069065 657522 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think the video player switched 'time left' and 'time'
< 1427069524 191341 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427069627 493819 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427069673 826097 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1427069939 817869 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh huh they managed to fund that?
< 1427070300 465850 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1427070841 234174 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is a command in vi to load the text typed during one insert mode into the clipboard buffer? I want to learn what command it has
< 1427070883 385756 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:95ea:9069:88b5:d6c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427070898 950825 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the closest thing i know is .
< 1427072376 491851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1427072917 225308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427073869 445589 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427074747 17877 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The last thing you typed in insert ought to be in the ". register, then you should be able to put the contents into the clipboard with :let @+=@. or :let @*=@., I think
< 1427074838 294415 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding "Do you know if there is a command in vi to load the text typed during one insert mode into the clipboard buffer? I want to learn what command it has"
< 1427075829 903105 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK
< 1427076670 436744 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is instant coffee stronger than espresso? I think it must be...
< 1427076719 545565 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: Define "stronger".
< 1427076753 351 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: um, does it have more coffee stuff in it
< 1427076789 288068 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... "caffiene" that's the word
< 1427076813 416875 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im kind of all jittery right now
< 1427076877 450115 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Espresso has much more caffeine extracted from it, though it's only more per unit volume *not* more per serving.
< 1427076894 710887 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh.... so apparently the jar says one scoop of powder per mug, I assumed an equal amount of powder and boiling water
< 1427076904 606335 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh christ, no wonder.
< 1427076916 662797 :^v^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:d47c:38a2:8a8b:4287 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1427076927 13216 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats, you've made quite concentrated coffee.
< 1427076965 220750 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has not been the best idea on a sunday night
< 1427076968 381501 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1427076971 918824 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, flavor-wise instant coffee is going to be inferior (just as a consequence of how it's made)... FYI.
< 1427077072 596188 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. yeah although I got the boilig water using the espresso machine....
< 1427077121 230626 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1427077127 840711 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how much of the powder would you say you used?
< 1427077144 251275 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like as though you drank the rough equivalent of a pot of coffee in a single cup?
< 1427077145 900515 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised it's not full of grit.
< 1427077177 792716 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProofTechnique: Shouldn't be. Instant coffee shouldn't have much of anything to produce noticable grit.
< 1427077202 50359 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mug is about 500 ml, so... 250 ml of powder (although powder course thus less) and then boilig wter and str til it disolvd
< 1427077217 773410 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect much more than recommended per unit of water would leave some behind, though.
< 1427077242 473717 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems it didnt...
< 1427077243 442302 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not especially -- coffee is not usually a saturated solution.
< 1427077244 893428 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. You're gonna have quite a crash.
< 1427077248 998424 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1427077265 855715 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's gonna be... maybe 500mg of caffeine?
< 1427077406 315114 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427077433 303824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:14:48 pikhq: um, does it have more coffee stuff in it
< 1427077433 433483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:15:25 ... "caffiene" that's the word
< 1427077436 719976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is kind of adorable
< 1427077439 353434 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm based on internet medical info it's near-imposible to overdose on coffee, so i'll just, um, try and do some work or someithing
< 1427077449 350065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can overdose on caffeine but
< 1427077453 944729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly easily even I think
< 1427077458 701137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, like, caffeine pills.
< 1427077463 975017 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1427077490 693740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The LD50 of caffeine in humans is dependent on individual sensitivity, but is estimated to be 150 to 200 milligrams per kilogram of body mass"
< 1427077501 556161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you weigh more than 3 kilograms you should be okay
< 1427077513 271403 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I weight 154 punds
< 1427077518 461375 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Caffeine's safety isn't because it's nigh-impossible to overdose but rather because the effective dose is so massively lower than the dangerous dose.
< 1427077561 792162 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that there's approximately no way you're going to actually *ingest* a dangerous dose without trying.
< 1427077597 54679 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda like you'd have one hell of a time hitting the LD50 of LSD.
< 1427077737 280609 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm 500ml coffee weight aprox 0.5 kg means I am now 1/140th made of coffee
< 1427077813 239896 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol
< 1427077845 901176 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 154 pund = 70kg almost exacly
< 1427077960 273726 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pund" = Scandinavian approximation of .5kg?
< 1427077997 277079 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does greatly appreciate that treatment of the traditional units: round 'em and use 'em as clean approximations of the metric units.
< 1427078001 798262 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pund is me trying to type pound
< 1427078010 94073 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1427078055 233441 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that @messages bug will be fixed the next time I rebuild lambdabot (which will happen when ghc-7.10.1 gets released)
< 1427078057 145625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pund is a unit of how much you weight
< 1427078058 912102 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you actually mean avoirdupois pounds. k.
< 1427078119 216235 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly my puls does not appear to have risen. sys 127 dia 80 pulse 66
< 1427078132 447160 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is abput avergae for me
< 1427078159 819337 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're mostly getting the neurological effects.
< 1427078232 671446 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders wether most peple have blodd presure meters in their houses
< 1427078258 978603 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use a belt and a tire pressure tester.
< 1427078282 527960 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm good for another 3000 miles, at least!
< 1427078297 181011 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know what's a pangram?
< 1427078312 157209 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thing with all letters in it
< 1427078316 454858 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :kewl
< 1427078320 690404 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
< 1427078321 54511 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want an email that's a pangram
< 1427078324 629282 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah like that
< 1427078351 628159 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :help me find something that makes sense and doesn't have many repeated letters and ends in @gmail.com
< 1427078496 851149 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmail.com has 2 m's. :(
< 1427078524 683758 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have >>many<< repeated letters
< 1427078578 383496 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than 10 repeated letters would be a good start, i guess
< 1427078843 338213 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a set cover problem i thing
< 1427078890 117851 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of kaprs npc problems
< 1427078934 358151 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Karp's NP-complete porblems
< 1427078944 128567 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i didn't ask for a good solution in the general case :P
< 1427079014 526553 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm possibly we can generate random pangrams using dict/words and then pick out good ones?
< 1427079054 771979 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427079059 401974 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's kinda hard...
< 1427079084 691838 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :first of all, it's hard to make meaningful sentences out of that list
< 1427079103 610101 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427079120 800378 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace oerjans name with Onii-Chan
< 1427079130 787321 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onii-jan
< 1427079158 268670 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1427079168 80974 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives prize
< 1427079183 968404 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 NICK :Ourin-kun
< 1427079222 512283 :Ourin-kun!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1427079224 541166 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WaqfsBurkDepthVizJynx@gmail.com
< 1427079239 606288 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our rin kun
< 1427079260 319963 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's gay mail is that
< 1427079276 835258 :Ourin-kun!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera wanted one thats a pangram
< 1427079290 751674 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to add some vowels back in
< 1427079293 987596 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm listening to music
< 1427079309 198691 :Ourin-kun!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soamit
< 1427079312 966819 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ourin-kun: :\ that doesn't make much sense
< 1427079314 63183 :Ourin-kun!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so am i
< 1427079315 306590 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 3 repeated letters, though
< 1427079319 508028 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's waqfs
< 1427079333 523770 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waqf
< 1427079337 78619 :Ourin-kun!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clu
< 1427079345 959444 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was some kind of file system
< 1427079371 45951 :Ourin-kun!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol someone should make a steganogarphic file system called that
< 1427079377 83083 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens to be a Japanese song that I cannot understand but I find pleasing to listen to because the language is p. good
< 1427079407 511101 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would never speak it tho i'd go for my ancesteral language that is dying
< 1427079410 233435 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaelic
< 1427079475 810514 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HurtAndVexedByZFS+JKPQW@gmail.com
< 1427079484 272863 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can say spaghetti in italian
< 1427079486 809191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+JKPQW
< 1427079487 311034 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1427079490 317833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1427079505 341169 :Ourin-kun!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized I am less than 4 weeks away from end of my university degree
< 1427079509 273438 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't come up with anything for those, and gmail let's you get away with that + stuff
< 1427079516 639080 :Ourin-kun!~oren@65.94.97.99 NICK :Ourin-sempai
< 1427079529 143655 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 4 repeated characters, still
< 1427079539 429959 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1427079553 367034 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dunedinit.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Too_many_toolbars-1024x837-1.jpg
< 1427079593 269845 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427079597 215239 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously a reference to this picture: http://twitpic.com/jkpqw
< 1427079607 277925 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1427079609 435694 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gmail usernames are very terrible
< 1427079656 474674 :Ourin-sempai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this song i'm listening to is great, but for no apparent reson it begins with a clip of the Apollo 8 genesis reading
< 1427079675 856189 :Ourin-sempai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The song is David Dima - Tsundere Night
< 1427079748 172465 :Ourin-sempai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the song has nothing to do with apollo 8 or the bible... lol wut
< 1427079768 13872 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*senpai
< 1427079825 645702 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sin pie*
< 1427079851 162926 :Ourin-sempai!~oren@65.94.97.99 NICK :Ourin-senpai
< 1427079872 468017 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*supine
< 1427079906 976558 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427079918 998076 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, iirc at least one romanization scheme uses m when ン changes before a p,b, or m kana
< 1427079945 26545 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently according to the internet Mami from madoka magika Is the waifu of Hitler
< 1427079945 383301 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't surprise me.
< 1427079973 798599 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you listening to Senpai?
< 1427080008 827664 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfeer7aqHWc
< 1427080044 733212 :^v!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:95ea:9069:88b5:d6c QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1427080054 235151 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you make a multi-dimensional fluid Quadrangle
< 1427080177 366343 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give it a few drinks and a hobby.
< 1427080192 852309 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
< 1427080194 362165 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :float p[X][Y][Z]; float u[X][Y][Z][3];
< 1427080203 502236 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then apply Eulers equations
< 1427080218 779462 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ofc how could I foeget
< 1427080223 250930 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for*
< 1427080293 13591 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you need to define the dimensions of the quadrangle as #defines of X Y Z
< 1427080310 827730 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A quadrangle is a uh
< 1427080323 414232 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I cant say triangle with 4 sides
< 1427080332 863971 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then its not a triangle nor a square
< 1427080340 142725 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fyack
< 1427080343 999401 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :polygon?
< 1427080344 482273 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shapes
< 1427080356 122482 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't look like that
< 1427080367 216294 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its like Hmmm well idk
< 1427080373 681593 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just know its a shape
< 1427080380 426968 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Quit: zzo38
< 1427080404 540627 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quadrangle is a place inside a university
< 1427080425 318264 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are sevral at my university
< 1427080464 798372 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ironically it's called by its sides: quadrilateral
< 1427080515 329643 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders
< 1427080543 290095 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, google says quadrangle is more common... but it sounds less familiar to me. and I should sleep. good night.
< 1427080582 189192 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goot nighg
< 1427080655 885826 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:e038:be9e:ae3:daed JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427080678 72429 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to donate my pipe organs to my organs before I die please
< 1427080843 143904 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ily Senpai
< 1427080862 739682 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Senpai am I talking about
< 1427080866 936547 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows
< 1427081388 221838 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the girl who rejected me for prom in HS is now at York and engaging in Enjokousai for grades
< 1427081420 896579 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew I sure dodged a bullet there
< 1427081578 424602 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427081579 16123 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427081579 675566 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sekushii ne.
< 1427081580 462202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote is instant coffee stronger than espresso? I think it must be... [...] Ohh.... so apparently the jar says one scoop of powder per mug, I assumed an equal amount of powder and boiling water
< 1427081582 974398 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1238) is instant coffee stronger than espresso? I think it must be... [...] Ohh.... so apparently the jar says one scoop of powder per mug, I assumed an equal amount of powder and boiling water
< 1427081832 940250 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define die(x,y...) ({printf(y); exit(x);})
< 1427081843 626578 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onii-Jan
< 1427081865 684004 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you skip the y
< 1427081870 648802 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x,z
< 1427082229 903391 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define box(x) ({typeof(x) *_xptr=malloc(sizeof(*_xptr));*xptr=(x);xptr;})
< 1427082251 932578 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol
< 1427082269 219961 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where should I run a string like that
< 1427082277 358481 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define box(x) ({typeof(x) *_xptr=malloc(sizeof(*_xptr));*_xptr=(x);_xptr;})
< 1427082286 329 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are some possibilities of C preprocessor used with GNU extensions
< 1427082306 529628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "pund" = Scandinavian approximation of .5kg? <-- i can't speak for swedish and danish, but in norwegian that's not a unit still in actual use, unlike "mil".
< 1427082332 505970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi from backscroll. i took a 3 hour nap.)
< 1427082347 967120 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use such a nap
< 1427082366 162627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks!
< 1427082439 210106 :password2!~password@197.76.140.166 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427082506 747428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<* oren wonders wether most peple have blodd presure meters in their houses <-- i don't hth
< 1427082508 262800 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleeping to much cuts your life expectancy up
< 1427082543 980772 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose if you just take a 3 hour nap two or three times a day, it's probably fine.
< 1427082596 365643 :password2!~password@197.76.140.166 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1427082652 734183 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define let(x,y) typeof(y) x = (y)
< 1427082681 686852 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me a complex lua string
< 1427082807 657565 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1427082834 851865 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1427082924 339092 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have
< 1427082973 628859 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to
< 1427083245 548275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i can say spaghetti in italian <-- hey i had you down as an _actual_ italian after that benvenuto thing :(
< 1427083286 602859 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am
< 1427083288 12763 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1427083291 21996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't sabotage my quest to rudely classify all #esotericians
< 1427083369 595086 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :into the water, into the truth, in your reflection, he lives in you
< 1427083555 215413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can say spaghetti in english!
< 1427083582 195446 :password2!~password@197.76.143.138 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427084135 417164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e Thanks!
< 1427084135 493836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427084198 500600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally reaches his own messages in the backscroll
< 1427084559 121756 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427084717 240678 :password2!~password@197.76.143.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1427084749 891283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sleeping to much cuts your life expectancy up <-- well it was to compensate for getting up too early in the evening hth
< 1427084882 947196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reaches the end of backscroll
< 1427084893 97965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, it's been a wild ride
< 1427084932 613503 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onii-jan
< 1427084946 585318 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cant be breaking your sleep schedule like dat
< 1427084963 197504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i a red oni or a blue oni?
< 1427085074 779002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zefphex: but if i don't break it i won't be awake for my dentist checkup!
< 1427085095 727112 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427085134 735991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also your insistence on "normalcy" only gets you classified as someone unfit to give me advice hth
< 1427085182 72793 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you like having latex fingers lightly carress your mouth flesh
< 1427085198 822349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :about once a year, yes.
< 1427085222 118197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the outcome is "this looks good"
< 1427085260 542176 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dentist is a 74 year old holocaust survivor from europe who tells me to "shuttup and take the pain you spoiled brat" and stuff like that, despite me being in my 30's
< 1427085267 49949 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a oni at all? Or one of a different color than red and blue (such as white and black)?
< 1427085334 454694 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dentist is a Vietnamese veteran and some times has ptsd and flips out and runs off
< 1427085344 482186 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But atleast my teeth are clean
< 1427085367 560118 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got me beat, yours is younger and prob more crazy
< 1427085459 804347 :password2!~password@197.76.133.248 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427085466 114777 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is other possible use of typeof too, possibly to combine with zero length arrays
< 1427085517 944233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: pretty sure i don't fit either hth
< 1427085592 373448 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also make combine sizeof with zero length arrays, to make "compile time type identification"; it doesn't waste memory like run time type identification would do
< 1427085841 792066 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dentist is a childhood friend of my grandmother.
< 1427085845 315392 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ni ni
< 1427085864 568449 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1427086060 266662 :password2!~password@197.76.133.248 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1427086105 269912 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are possibility in C to make structures that never have any variables or anything else of that type.
< 1427086123 267814 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One reason I have done it is to make sizeof assertions, although there are other possibilities too
< 1427086137 935031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what my dentist is except a dentist.
< 1427086158 421291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and female, most of the time.
< 1427086166 929930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well also white, i guess.
< 1427086199 194335 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know many languages she can speak?
< 1427086204 102599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one.
< 1427086244 306121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also she's part of a team office but i seem to be getting the same one these days.
< 1427086313 276926 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1427087026 945376 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-18be0b4d.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1427087035 551934 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was Tailsteak a Christian during 1/0?
< 1427087072 586796 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I sort of assumed so, but Leftover Soup keeps making me think he deconverted earlier than that, for some reason
< 1427087091 305820 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... actually I guess I don't know his current beliefs, just that they're less Creationy
< 1427087164 650806 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427087441 606051 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1427087584 978255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Zefphex left
< 1427087642 527378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :Ore-sama
< 1427087670 63953 :Ore-sama!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after reading a bit in wikipedia, i have concluded this is clearly the right way to japanify my name hth
< 1427087673 90353 :Ore-sama!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan
< 1427087762 738094 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1427088016 194011 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what is "right way" but I make my name in Japanese in my own way; my given name with katakana and family name with kanji
< 1427088099 237378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when your father (iirc) changed his surname, did he keep the meaning? so they would be the same kanji...
< 1427088136 201780 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name has an ambiguous spelling and pronounciation in english.
< 1427088151 454674 :password2!~password@197.76.132.35 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427088198 329004 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not as far as I know, but that was before I was born.
< 1427088212 351324 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't use my father's old surname.
< 1427088224 136297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1427088263 380205 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the kanji I use might not be the intended meaning anyways; he has said the intended meaning might be "Blacksmith" instead of "Black"; whether or not this is true, I have always used the kanji for "black" before and therefore don't need to change it.
< 1427088302 698630 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your surname Black?
< 1427088319 562248 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1427088336 430015 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you know that already?
< 1427088339 637579 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's probably "blacksmith".
< 1427088340 144546 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1427088342 971757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is curious what it was before
< 1427088350 472100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case it's not obvious :P
< 1427088361 226108 :adu!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1427088370 678765 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am not going to tell you what it was before (just in case he doesn't want to tell you, I also won't)
< 1427088385 77804 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'orin' or 'oren' or possibly 'warren' it was never clear to me during my childhood
< 1427088391 252614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: whoa, happy pikhq++
< 1427088405 87969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSES FOILED AGAIN
< 1427088414 404082 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How long have you been waiting for that?
< 1427088426 795432 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was /orən/
< 1427088430 372239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :<24 hours?
< 1427088436 419177 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noted.
< 1427088446 408387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, how long should I have been waiting?
< 1427088468 298829 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since March 24 2014. Of course.
< 1427088489 944869 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a standard way to katakana-ize an /ə/
< 1427088724 890976 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427088842 875695 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but, you can try to either look at other same name see how it was done before, or you can make it up yourself in your own way since it is your own name anyways, or you can ask some people who are Japanese; see there is three possibility
< 1427089224 6841 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, looks like オリン or オーリン (since my name has stress on the O) would some closes
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< 1427089301 732210 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ourin-senpai: never refer to yourself with an honourifig
< 1427089303 576025 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*honourific
< 1427089323 292597 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my last name has a well known standard transliteration of ワトソン
< 1427089338 830780 :Ourin-senpai!~oren@65.94.97.99 NICK :o-rin
< 1427089342 895010 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I was discussing with a friend, my name is probably シャンハウテ, though there may be more standard transliterations
< 1427089353 533337 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine has a well known but somewhat weird transliteration of "uusuta".
< 1427089377 884676 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1427089410 653594 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently "Sean" is actually transliterated as ショーン
< 1427089432 259552 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to put a long vowel in before, but I'm intrigued that o was preferred to a
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< 1427089473 622346 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw is closer to o than a
< 1427089479 530118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine my name is more difficult to transliterate into Japanese than into English.
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< 1427089505 969564 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likely.
< 1427089515 342055 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese has a real lack of phonemes.
< 1427089518 514075 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
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< 1427089688 928622 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for final consonants they seem to add -u sylable, except for t and d which for some reason become "to" and "do"
< 1427089722 500683 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily my name has only final n in it
< 1427089731 802762 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason -u usually gets added is because when it appears word-final it is often devoiced
< 1427089737 573172 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it almost inaudible
< 1427089776 213406 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes that sounds bad or awkward, or due to the pitch used you can't devoice, so you get the o instead
< 1427089777 896632 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you couldn't use tu or du because there isn't them
< 1427089796 945286 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that tooo
< 1427089798 841517 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too
< 1427089925 279207 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1427089991 404239 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :オーリン・ワトソン yeah that should be sufficient
< 1427090027 312573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay 10000 SO rep
< 1427090145 566371 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omedetou
< 1427090211 190812 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that looks good on a resume
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< 1427090638 828923 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen IE do things properrly that other browsers get wrong
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< 1427090656 622046 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is certainly possible
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< 1427090663 363587 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although IE does some things wrong too
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< 1427090794 385554 :_AndoDaan!~AD@188.189.90.248 NICK :AndoDaan
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< 1427091947 88954 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making a pair of duel deck of Magic: the Gathering for Human Supremacy Corporation vs Unhuman Alliance. I put a few unofficial cards (including the one called "Human Supremacy Corporation"). Also probably is not finish yet
< 1427092263 503442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that card do?
< 1427092386 979199 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any player can cause 1 damage to each non-Human creature.
< 1427092404 746849 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be more specific it is:
< 1427092428 794745 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human Supremacy Corporation {WWBB} Legendary Enchantment :: At the beginning of each upkeep, ~ deals 1 damage to each untapped non-Human creature. :: {4}, Discard a card: Deals 1 damage to target non-Human creature. Any player may activate this ability.
< 1427092590 34111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :o-rin: arigato
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< 1427093451 871701 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Quit: byeannes
< 1427093467 427071 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have other suggest to add a card I can do that too; I don't know all of the official cards
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< 1427095325 193297 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :o-rin: you should play riichi with me
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< 1427096317 429601 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do I play it
< 1427096408 200086 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tenhou, but you probably should learn first
< 1427096414 404089 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really easy to learn and all the guides suck
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< 1427096883 176268 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427097173 613915 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAA
< 1427097190 499864 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TA's are still on strike
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< 1427097205 79307 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my work is NEVER going to be marked!!!
< 1427097319 804696 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they rejected the deal with the university AGAIN
< 1427097641 899862 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAA I handed in my neural network that recognizes handwritten numbers 3 weeks ago!!!
< 1427097668 28407 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf o_o
< 1427097687 263444 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :show it please?
< 1427097693 997539 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1427097751 630976 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... actually I'd better not, they said they'd accept late submissions and they'd think I cheated
< 1427097781 925484 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I'll take a screenshot
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< 1427098003 100965 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ctrlv.in/522625 <-- early training
< 1427098075 306457 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ctrlv.in/522626 <-- late in training. the 8 gets 1 and the other digits get 0 signal... hell yeah
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< 1427098241 243976 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ctrlv.in/522630 one more screenshot. howzat?
< 1427098356 103761 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting just how well a neural network works for these tasks
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< 1427100797 801341 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many terabytes of models have been created for the MNIST digits to date.
< 1427101511 630884 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everyone in my class did it, then at least a gig right there
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< 1427101571 887563 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people have been slacking because they expect the strike to go on till end of term
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< 1427105447 413533 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey hey
< 1427105449 449803 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been a whilee
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< 1427106253 412926 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long is a while'e?
< 1427106331 479568 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is that Pixar movie
< 1427106334 706937 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the robot
< 1427106337 247951 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the trash
< 1427106370 497253 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wall-e or summat.
< 1427106380 789197 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same diff
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< 1427106797 161132 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my people
< 1427106895 174302 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET MY PEOPLE GO
< 1427106928 882087 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let It Go.
< 1427106937 649878 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a big combinatory logic enthusiast a few years back
< 1427106956 165911 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm a musician and I thought I'd get in touch with my old self by doing some music programming :3
< 1427106968 942396 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinatory logic is quite neat
< 1427106981 809621 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also probably one of the oldest Turing complete system
< 1427106990 847129 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was really fascinated with how much you could do with just s and k
< 1427106993 316780 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Older than the Turing machine and lambda calculus!
< 1427107004 690814 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly older than -recursive functions?
< 1427107006 992265 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinatory logic is pretty much just lambda anyway
< 1427107023 168453 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet older than it!
< 1427107029 203288 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is?
< 1427107035 202231 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1427107037 304173 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1920's
< 1427107037 988060 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :til
< 1427107043 483217 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was like 50's
< 1427107043 647837 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From an old logic paper
< 1427107054 726448 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody really cared about it back then
< 1427107070 178225 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the Schonfinkel paper is from like... 24?
< 1427107075 864638 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1427107079 230515 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the name I know
< 1427107082 434311 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's http://p-nand-q.com/programming/languages/gplz/gertrude.html and http://esolangs.org/wiki/Velato for musical esolangs.
< 1427107093 553176 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making my own, thank you
< 1427107107 528992 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure those are awesome though
< 1427107145 720941 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The original inventor of combinatory logic, Moses Schnfinkel, published nothing on combinatory logic after his original 1924 paper. Haskell Curry rediscovered the combinators while working as an instructor at Princeton University in late 1927.[3] In the latter 1930s, Alonzo Church and his students at Princeton invented a rival formalism for functional abstraction, the lambda calculus, which proved more popular than combinatory logic. "
< 1427107147 363706 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddamn
< 1427107149 477807 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.78.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as awesome as the potential one you're working on.
< 1427107153 932175 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was invented TWICE before lambda calculus
< 1427107213 276920 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no idea haskell curry was from the 20's :O
< 1427107240 339663 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I'm working on looks more like assembly
< 1427107301 20282 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote down some ideas for what the instructions would be and it came out to exactly 16 different instructions
< 1427107306 739523 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was like "shiiiit"
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< 1427108624 338441 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a good number
< 1427108638 679695 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although
< 1427108645 832502 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on their arguments
< 1427108652 47829 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's hard to work with just a nibble
< 1427108660 293571 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because some of them don't have operators
< 1427108682 903980 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean operands
< 1427108690 420042 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm an idiot
< 1427108693 725851 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1427108703 946037 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm really rusty right now
< 1427108771 732488 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some of them not having operands wouldn't be a problem if they were byte instructions
< 1427108774 853487 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're nibbles
< 1427109223 453337 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pad them to a byte?
< 1427109243 961648 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends how many different operands the ones with an argument need
< 1427109498 222195 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1427109498 223209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 14h 15m 24s ago: avocabulant isn't a word hth
< 1427109498 223259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 13h 53m 18s ago: you are right i'm more evil than elliott hth
< 1427109513 406265 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan I know.
< 1427109513 407653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427109518 337871 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell orejan I know.
< 1427109518 395636 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1427109543 547977 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avocabulant is a perfectly cromulant word
< 1427109626 988145 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones with an operand all only have one
< 1427109657 46355 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if you only have 16 different values for each operand max, that would work out nicely
< 1427109676 739558 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some bad news for you
< 1427109682 434308 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need more bits than that amigo
< 1427109684 739466 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need more bits
< 1427109688 658267 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise either pad to a byte or make variable length instructions
< 1427109704 101908 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not doing variable length instructions
< 1427109710 720802 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pad that shit then
< 1427109714 169084 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too inefficient with nibbled
< 1427109717 24418 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pad like the wind
< 1427109741 832568 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way you can add even more instructions if you feel like it!
< 1427109757 763679 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a really fair point
< 1427109762 251533 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never even thought of that
< 1427109776 138124 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to make an end of file character, too
< 1427109791 113907 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a set of instructions that are the same, except this time it's beatboxing???
< 1427109797 544263 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since it is musical)
< 1427109804 92397 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it outputs music
< 1427109818 962821 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one time I tried making a spoken language that was entirely beatboxing
< 1427109822 675488 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Turing complete music
< 1427109832 673626 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the music itself? no
< 1427109844 224977 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even music. more like just sound
< 1427109858 715848 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but complex sound
< 1427109898 833344 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to hear what I have so far?
< 1427109913 589556 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very good, but it's interesting
< 1427109926 890885 :slereah!~slereah@195.190.86.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently at work
< 1427109938 886871 :pizearke!~pup@75-9-156-7.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight
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< 1427116551 580785 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:MGIFOS14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42172&oldid=31604 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+485) 10
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< 1427116819 762467 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:MGIFOS14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42174&oldid=42173 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (-20) 10
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< 1427127084 881211 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o-rin: I've heard Japanese people say "ka" using exactly the same vowel I use in the word "Sean".
< 1427127091 574290 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's because I have a weird accent.
< 1427127306 968516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what vowel do you use in sean...
< 1427127333 173959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like is it the same vowel as in 'sawn'?
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< 1427127541 313054 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI
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< 1427127541 401459 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 231550Z 07010KT 9999 FEW060 15/03 Q1010 R08/1///95 NOSIG
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< 1427128949 951572 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's some dope accent dawg
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< 1427130357 483985 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYYZ
< 1427130357 727547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYYZ 231700Z 36007KT 330V060 15SM SCT230 M06/M19 A3039 RMK CI4 SLP300
< 1427130406 48682 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear and cold, my favorite weather
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< 1427130415 954611 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :o-rin: wait, you're in YYZ?
< 1427130422 597954 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1427130480 308758 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1427130521 385978 :o-rin!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sleep schedule is out of whack
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< 1427131209 23133 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGNT 231650Z 28008KT 9999 SCT040 10/02 Q1010
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< 1427137646 429109 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kasran 5* 10New user account
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< 1427138412 147404 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42177&oldid=41933 5* 03Kasran 5* (+67) 10/* Quine */ added a short quine
< 1427138628 515559 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42178&oldid=42177 5* 03Kasran 5* (+121) 10/* Examples */ added a ROT13 encoder/decoder
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< 1427139355 629241 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a better terminal program for windows than putty?
< 1427139431 417656 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe wrong thing... um, a better ssh program.
< 1427139511 695846 :v^v^!~notnot^v@2601:4:680:104c:f1c4:3268:3449:f8b4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1427139784 530021 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2watson: KiTTY? http://www.9bis.net/kitty/
< 1427139833 318389 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think everything else depends on cygwin or msys, but then you've got your choice :D
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< 1427140016 376048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PuTTY is pretty good but you could use, like, Cygwin + urxvt + ssh.
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< 1427141765 171748 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah, same one. Sean, lawn, prawn, dog, fog, wash, floss, broth.
< 1427141796 65158 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not clock, mock, pop, blotch, fossil, ocelot.
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< 1427142008 113564 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: weird, I rhyme all those words, but with a sound much closer to typical Japanese o than a
< 1427142053 355363 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the sound in dog differ from pop?
< 1427142149 391842 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By being back instead of front.
< 1427142164 865028 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me they are all back
< 1427142185 494464 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the case for, like, at least 90% of English speakers in any given country.
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< 1427142667 728319 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my dialect of english has a total of only 13 vowels...
< 1427142739 805210 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bat bate bet beet bit bite bot boat but beaut boot book bird
< 1427142795 214076 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no wait beaut is sort of like ee + oo
< 1427142815 934899 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 12
< 1427143195 195404 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia claims that among palm lot cloth and thought, I should pronounce some differnetly, but I don't
< 1427143393 80543 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bite is like but + beet
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< 1427143497 7446 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe counting vowels is actually harder than counting the possible vowel sequences
< 1427143597 959373 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric : palm lot cloth and thought still all have the same vowel, I don't get thet
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< 1427144019 857398 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some book about philosophy, including mirror problem, thinking about Santa Claus, box of answering question in Chinese (even though the people who work there don't know any Chinese), free beer for ten cents, free will, interpretation of laws, etc
< 1427144132 150103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have some book about some of those things too.
< 1427144191 60026 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a least 3 books about those things, but I dodn't read it
< 1427144225 509786 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap my name is worng again
< 1427144235 659138 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu NICK :orin
< 1427144346 635015 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you make your name always wrong again?
< 1427144351 47673 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does irssi use your local username as default nick
< 1427144363 911923 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why?
< 1427144364 776278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you're not a kasha
< 1427144403 129438 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also mention rules for shadows. They list two rules of shadows which they call so obviously correct, but to me both rules look to be so obviously wrong
< 1427144444 70441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the rules?
< 1427144446 844766 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a boild buckwheat?
< 1427144467 748234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just another rin joke.
< 1427144472 693564 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1427144480 574308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, sure, boiled buckwheat
< 1427144483 345642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a good insult
< 1427144562 632202 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'g2watson' means "CS specialist program account for mr. Watson"
< 1427144587 543852 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rules give are: The shadow doesn't cast if the light isn't shining on the object, and the shadow doesn't cast if there is another object in between for casting the shadow on instead.
< 1427144601 729405 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, both are clearly wrong, although to them they are both clearly correct.
< 1427144632 826083 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadows don't exist
< 1427144691 431653 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :light shining around edge of object exists, shadow is perception of shape based on lack of light
< 1427144816 287234 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is the problem for them with their rules?
< 1427144879 852705 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do cite a problem, although it was wrong to me even before that. The problem they cite is in case you hold coffee in front of you, one piece of the shape of shadow is shape of you but is through the coffee. Who casts the shadow?
< 1427144897 14740 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say both!
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< 1427145072 698172 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the light that would hit the ground if you weren't there, that light would need to pass thorugh both you and the coffee, so yeah
< 1427145227 99003 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it seems kind of pointless to say that a lack of light belongs to a particular object, i mean it is,um, a nonexistent thing by definition
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< 1427146477 459821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thing: http://dominic-mulligan.co.uk/?page_id=148
< 1427146581 167658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going?
< 1427146769 427976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. I just got an email (on some list), and it sounded mildly relevant here.
< 1427146850 41577 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is there a North of England Regional Programming Language Seminar?
< 1427146873 245748 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a Midwestern United States Regional PLS?
< 1427146959 672161 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to go to that, but like most of the south of England is difficult for someone like me who flits between Northumberland and York
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< 1427148214 237394 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42179&oldid=42178 5* 03Kasran 5* (-188) 10removed programs I added earlier, as they will probably crash or not work right in CCBI
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< 1427149002 421073 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy pikhqday
< 1427149016 338501 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A day of high quality pik
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< 1427149732 571493 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truth.
< 1427149739 782489 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pik is the highest of q.
< 1427149756 848325 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall attempt not to asplode
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< 1427151993 786025 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dare you to tell me the plot of a video game you've never played before. by the the cd on a microscope and the the pits
< 1427152023 29723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1427152023 30597 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by viewing the cd*
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< 1427152031 533148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1427152042 554553 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading*
< 1427152045 744526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a lot of the plots of video games I've never played, but that's mostly via watching other people play them
< 1427152056 953321 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same
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< 1427152358 361042 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man if only I wasn't a fragmentation of someone's mental state because they know how to program and I just feel dumb being here
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< 1427152476 939062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could fix that by learning to program, perhaps?
< 1427152485 642422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick a language that nobody else can program in either
< 1427152487 784819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that nobody has a head start
< 1427152958 150151 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only good at art
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< 1427157390 560158 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1427157390 657568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages
< 1427157865 272185 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1427158082 248554 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ProofTechellonique!
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< 1427159638 552896 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Kasran14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42180 5* 03Kasran 5* (+71) 10hello!
< 1427160438 678471 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god dammit. these ads on youtube music videos that are, themselves, music videos
< 1427160536 628238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points if two music videos have each other as ads?
< 1427160540 842699 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands some AdBlock potions to orin
< 1427160554 33183 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellorin. aren't you oren usually?
< 1427160557 837973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm
< 1427160574 130110 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellæis523!
< 1427160574 217066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume some people archive ads on YouTube
< 1427160589 360222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps some day someone will have the ad for a video be the same as the video itself
< 1427160621 364849 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yah, my passport says "oren" but sometimes I spell it other ways
< 1427160632 593958 :Andodaan!~AD@149-86-169-81.mobileinternet.proximus.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :The realization is that the encapsulating music video is really an ad.
< 1427160689 611772 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would'nt mind so much if the two musics were the same genre
< 1427160739 690389 :Kasran!9817d77a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.23.215.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chiptune demo video opening with bruno mars' new single
< 1427160741 68231 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which shawn mendes and BABYMETAL are not, at all
< 1427160743 147286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my passport doesn't say "ais523" :-(
< 1427160744 650988 :Kasran!9817d77a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.23.215.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1427160773 433561 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my has a boily in there ^^
< 1427160774 9095 :Andodaan!~AD@149-86-169-81.mobileinternet.proximus.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use an ad blocker?
< 1427160804 990710 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: the only way to get babymetal out of my mind is some heavy touhou remixes.
< 1427160934 181263 :Kasran!9817d77a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.23.215.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Crow's Claw?
< 1427160936 721382 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :adadadadadada dokkyu! zokkyu dokkyu zokkyu dokkyu yada yada yada neva neva neva!
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< 1427160986 346071 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mapoles orin with a swift swing
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< 1427161039 901889 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kasran: IOSYS usually does the job for me, but I do enjoy some Alstroemeria. what are your favourite circles?
< 1427161148 196476 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shinra bansho, hatunetu-miko's, IRON ATTACK!
< 1427161166 55404 :Kasran!9817d77a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.23.215.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not super into Touhou music, so I'm not sure I'd be able to pick out any favorites. I do like what I've heard from Crow's Claw, though.
< 1427161172 303106 :Kasran!9817d77a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.23.215.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
< 1427161202 558831 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: heh! listening to hatsunetsu at this moment right now :D ♪
< 1427161216 980343 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kasran: bleh?
< 1427161237 986397 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kasran: you should try Demetori, particularly their later albums. some epic rocking in them.
< 1427161284 949110 :Kasran!9817d77a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.23.215.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh!!!! And alright, I'll take a look, thanks.
< 1427161336 940760 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like anything from Odyssey Music/T. Stebbins/Eurobeat Brony/ whatever other pseudonyms he has
< 1427161386 103260 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is he/she/it?
< 1427161425 841024 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :An amazing male vocalist who does songs in a whole bunch of fandoms
< 1427161450 295546 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LpGkyR3hfI
< 1427161455 478148 :Guest69134!~elliott@li278-81.members.linode.com NICK :elliott
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< 1427161872 52077 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently he is also named Ken Blast and also mortimer Mortimer
< 1427161921 668997 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427162013 460485 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the first mortimer lowercase like that?
< 1427162024 169344 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aesthetic!
< 1427162036 726999 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that was a result of a slow connection
< 1427162088 729648 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by convention Eurobeat song and artist names are limited to numbers and uppercase letters. No idea why
< 1427162253 966742 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A typical song listing is of the form "PRETTY GIRL ROCK / SPEEDMASTER feat CINDY"
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< 1427162521 780878 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oren
< 1427162523 53933 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren is a Canadian esolanger who would like to obliterate time zones so that he can talk to his father who lives in the same house.
< 1427162528 471883 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1427162548 863109 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes asleep already
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< 1427164820 107633 :zzo38!~zzo38@d50-92-136-249.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading something David Sirlin wrote recently, and now I can see that he even designed a Magic: the Gathering card.
< 1427165107 339847 :adu_!~ajr@c-69-243-56-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTG++
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< 1427168836 346057 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw this crap. I'm making my own image editor
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< 1427168973 539373 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1
< 1427168973 926713 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :lighter
< 1427168998 785313 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what is this crap?
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< 1427169073 979162 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: mtpaint
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< 1427169344 651195 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'ma make a better one. with scripting. and whores
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< 1427169532 663454 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, I want to be able to select a quadrilateral out of the image and deform it into another quadrilateral
< 1427169579 244629 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagemagick?
< 1427169636 441962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: are they both parallelograms?
< 1427169669 623461 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1427169695 490017 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are roughly trapezoids
< 1427169883 565221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :affine translation might still work, on that data, but it's far from guaranteed
< 1427169887 785395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, affine transformation
< 1427170108 763748 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I'd do it is by taking the diagonals to anchor your coordinate system, and define the transformation in terms of that. Not sure if it's linear
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< 1427174153 550371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Image processing tools generally call that a "perspective" transformation.
< 1427174217 90742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming the trapezia are isoceles and the two parallel sides are horizontal, I've also seen it called "keystone"
< 1427174310 198575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/distorts/#perspective etc.
< 1427174382 145500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've only seen the "keystone" term in a projector context.)
< 1427174406 91509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, POSIX defines the syntax of yacc using a yacc grammar
< 1427174416 406501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus leading to a standard in need of bootstrapping
< 1427174457 532836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAELI: a language for which the syntax of yacc is an interpreter for that language, ideally in as non-contrived a way as possible
< 1427174544 721110 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX defines all of its syntax using a yacc grammar.
< 1427174599 887023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make it any less of a circular definition
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< 1427179627 105889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot and zemhill got k-lined...
< 1427179637 782157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1427179637 930525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 19h 28m 43s ago: I know.
< 1427179651 260879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume that was in-context
< 1427179660 163892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's much less than a year, so no new record
< 1427179689 474739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what?
< 1427179700 545419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: fungot and zemhill got k-lined... I know
< 1427179711 728602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1427179718 464922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1y
< 1427179719 672068 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :497) monqy: help how do I use lambdabot to send messages to people. [...around half an hour later...] @messages quicksilver said 1y 2m 18d 19h 54m 29s ago: you use @tell
< 1427179726 383005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the previous record
< 1427179742 533158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still the current record
< 1427179747 304778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1427179814 234103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>25 years without a cavity, and BAM! 5 in one year ;_;
< 1427179836 822606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you changed diet?
< 1427179839 480786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have no one to blame but my shrinks
< 1427179860 785877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd better not give too much advice, though, or you might turn into Sgeo
< 1427179862 709342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody wants that
< 1427179887 862041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more chocolate, less brushing teeth, pretty obvious cause really
< 1427179912 91808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually gave up chocolate accidentally in march last year (possibly even february)
< 1427179914 978628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decided to just run with it
< 1427179970 620641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started eating chocolate in the middle of the night because it seemed to help with my foot cramps...
< 1427179997 135075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i had already done that a year ago, when the checkup was clean
< 1427180018 187274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe not as much
< 1427180082 109415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'm unlikely to become like Sgeo, my way is to ignore all advice completely hth
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< 1427180866 605315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode �
< 1427180875 343214 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+FFFD REPLACEMENT CHARACTER]
< 1427180906 40205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone didn't have unicode set up properly
< 1427181097 803755 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 𝍐
< 1427181098 845814 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+1D350 TETRAGRAM FOR FAILURE]
< 1427181151 799780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much the same thing, there
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< 1427181221 834674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's not supposed to look the same
< 1427181233 859332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much a failure, then.
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< 1427181642 178842 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 負
< 1427181643 395882 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+8CA0 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-8CA0]
< 1427181689 573681 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see this is stupid. why does the tetragram have its iching meaning in it but the kanji has a stupid hex number
< 1427181720 338908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been assuming it's because the kanji's meaning might depend on language
< 1427181750 505864 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to such an extent...
< 1427181776 494440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's because they hate humans, then
< 1427181832 525041 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned racists
< 1427181855 769284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically that's speciesist hth
< 1427181871 410458 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The human species
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< 1427183005 89096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why does irssi use your local username as default nick <-- because you haven't saved your nick setting?
< 1427183045 679439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think that's part of the server setting
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< 1427183137 369658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nick isn't listed as an argument on permanent servers
< 1427183320 775266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's in .irssi/config, anyway
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< 1427187307 441442 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainloller14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42181&oldid=32144 5* 03212.13.18.233 5* (+108) 10Added php implementation on github
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< 1427188912 113425 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you tired of those stupid console programs that don't have a line editing library?
< 1427188939 815395 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you press the arrows and get ^[[A ^[[B
< 1427189020 311552 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fear no more! https://github.com/izabera/bin/blob/master/rrlwrap
< 1427189081 149386 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you can just run rrlwrap otherprogram and the power of readline will be yours
< 1427189303 494266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: how does that differ featurewise from ledit, another program that does the same thing?
< 1427189319 715124 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :first of all, the author is much sexier
< 1427189353 996858 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :second, the author didn't know ledit
< 1427189377 342807 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author did know rlwrap but it was a fun experiment anyway
< 1427189377 542184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :author sexiness has never been a reason to choose between programs
< 1427189384 640632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, the author of ledit didn't know of rrlwrap either
< 1427189386 319233 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always has
< 1427189389 784908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that condition's kind-of a wash
< 1427189463 841049 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has the added bonus of being less than 100 lines long \o/
< 1427189463 945912 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |
< 1427189464 32092 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /^\
< 1427189479 528878 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1427189479 531638 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |
< 1427189479 533519 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /`\
< 1427189484 447929 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one useful bot
< 1427189490 317593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not entirely a bot
< 1427189496 964044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a human and bot using the same account
< 1427189500 939988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh myndzi is working properly again
< 1427189502 90736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can get confusing when they're both speaking
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< 1427189655 485567 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :third reason: this is the only important part of my code and it works on its own
< 1427189657 861226 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :while read -re; do
< 1427189659 831572 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric : history -p -- "$REPLY"
< 1427189661 964561 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric : history -s -- "$REPLY"
< 1427189663 844717 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :done | "$@"
< 1427189688 515107 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?!?!?! 4 lines!?!?!?
< 1427189693 54480 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. 4 lines.
< 1427189704 51200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's written in shellscript?
< 1427189708 6525 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes \o/
< 1427189708 113497 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |
< 1427189708 229190 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /|
< 1427189713 537638 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :of ffs
< 1427189731 131751 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o
< 1427189733 51413 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/
< 1427189858 377021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd ^celebrate but someone killed fungot
< 1427189910 118439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would fungot be klined?
< 1427189920 179688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_and_ zemhill
< 1427189946 180992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I assume they're on the same connection
< 1427189948 44048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that makes more sense
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< 1427193804 465406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1427193811 760305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, they're connecting from the same place.
< 1427193855 424014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are banned from this server- Spam is not allowed on freenode. Please contact kline@freenode.net if you think this kline has been set in error."
< 1427193938 16434 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427193944 910944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it seems to have been temporary.
< 1427194551 441287 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe fungot needed to make some urgent international funds transfers.
< 1427194551 533435 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: so what of it doesn't really work
< 1427194586 511473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427194720 154969 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: stop bein sentient.
< 1427194720 283266 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yeah, i didn't know much
< 1427194725 127243 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: thanks.
< 1427194725 477914 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ' s if you can implement call/ cc k receiver) ( receiver ( lambda ( x)
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< 1427196368 134633 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
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< 1427202770 138473 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427203982 770851 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427204337 777906 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fun fact
< 1427204340 998777 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact 0 = 1 | fact n = n * fact (n - 1)
< 1427204457 991028 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like Standard ML
< 1427204527 487273 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my assumption
< 1427204532 41895 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd
< 1427204533 729283 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/j汣! ŕ ElD P3A5BJ.Uj% {c. ]4IjmVA0"SFDI1b }aVMd[ 9.VfAp(/#ͷJcXlzɊe:;qn \ ȪJo](*BE}Io,;Hy _X@;sݿ!urnk!00`ZD(T⩟ЧCO_ J0ۻ
< 1427204610 116246 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day I am going to be all boring and switch to the three-letter nick I have registered that is just my initials
< 1427204737 515477 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 taneb ngevd
< 1427204738 512506 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnaro atriq
< 1427204749 923858 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :triq-y
< 1427204773 585350 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am kind of glad all 4 of those are vaguely pronouncable
< 1427204807 836129 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leading ŋ is kinda tricky to pronounce
< 1427204820 891193 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 firefly effilry
< 1427204821 858978 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sversyl rssvyel
< 1427204848 973588 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, I manage it somehow
< 1427204872 747762 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 ygodypt
< 1427204873 766808 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ltbqlcg
< 1427204889 132362 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's terrible.
< 1427204930 652928 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how can a video encoder use two gigabytes of memory?
< 1427204930 799148 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ( inherently)? because i don't know
< 1427204935 125349 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah!
< 1427204944 120673 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1427204949 566415 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1427204949 568328 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1427204956 322557 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot isn't infallible
< 1427204956 656894 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well it tastes bad. they should know better then the movie list two friends of mine and i are in completely different places in the template to be nothing in the rules
< 1427204998 199746 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone who runs a fungot-like channel-regular imitation bot in another channel
< 1427204998 437167 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's not my fault, i believe.) hmm... long digression, guys!".
< 1427205151 500906 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does USD form a module over the ring of 100ths of integers?
< 1427205193 379637 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus exchange rates form a homomorphism!
< 1427205271 481926 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of
< 1427206354 519398 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1427213824 724236 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dhvagbcvn
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< 1427216142 641651 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody working on an interesting esolang?
< 1427216155 144567 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... uhm.. has functions and some way of #include?
< 1427216167 903006 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anybode worked on one?
< 1427216173 556191 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably with an implementation available
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< 1427218653 923828 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, one of things I've never liked about monads is that people are apt to talk about "THE list monad" as if there is only monad that could be sensibly applied to lists
< 1427218666 908002 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i just figured out why this happens
< 1427218671 749697 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural transformations
< 1427218673 779550 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i right?
< 1427218703 224188 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is only one monad
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< 1427218761 162232 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu NICK :orin
< 1427218975 621965 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd ask on #haskell but i half-expect to be talked down to, there
< 1427219009 169469 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI Phantom_Hoover HOW'S YOUR BLOG HOW'S BITCOIN
< 1427219014 431929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not true for every type
< 1427219020 380164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is true for lists though
< 1427219052 131983 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wait
< 1427219054 125118 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so it's just that "the X monad" is "the monad for X that seems to make the most sense to the most people"?
< 1427219054 251365 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can fix that.
< 1427219087 635802 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. fixed.
< 1427219104 157210 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :er thanks mroman
< 1427219110 821546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: there is only one list monad
< 1427219114 409983 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1427219116 979350 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :now
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< 1427219128 728933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the other list monads :D?
< 1427219145 328122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but generally "the X monad" is going to mean the monad that X actually has an instance for, so yeah.
< 1427219168 437512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: or, well.
< 1427219177 716090 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1427219178 992228 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1427219196 534319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: okay, let's put it this way: "the State monad" doesn't mean "the monad that State is", "State" there implicitly carries the semantics we associate with it
< 1427219199 427754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just the type itself
< 1427219225 70510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: just like "the ring " in mathematics
< 1427219249 450877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, no idea on either front
< 1427219259 64878 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i apologize for not knowing that the list object only has one possible monad (if that's true)
< 1427219326 709582 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a monad a mathematical thing
< 1427219357 855196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1427219381 893855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a concept taken from the academic study of the austro-hungarian empire's administrative structure
< 1427219432 561979 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the haskell-guys seem to have that opinion that you can't define another monad, yes.
< 1427219439 196182 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just asking which link to click on wikipedia's biguation page?
< 1427219448 440476 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even a trivial one?
< 1427219451 375531 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, whatstheword
< 1427219472 771566 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :longerwordthatbasicallymeanstrivial
< 1427219522 742478 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sre we talking about "Monad (category theory)" or "Monad (functional programming)"
< 1427219528 737722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the trivial monad for an arbitrary type?
< 1427219543 981208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, they're the same thing
< 1427219545 64123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427219557 262958 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pathological" except with the connotation of also trivial
< 1427219578 707151 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway n/m question about general usage of word answered thank you very much
< 1427219622 761683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, degenerate?
< 1427219629 689245 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BING thank you
< 1427219637 680675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hi thanks to a dmm comic i realized what chrysoberyl means :P
< 1427219641 994765 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.111 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427219663 696085 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, there is also a word you used years ago that i've been meaning to ask you about (but now i have the channel logs so i can probably find it by grepping)
< 1427219668 918386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(davd morgan-mar)
< 1427219673 179113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+i
< 1427219691 762909 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1427219746 808468 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, there are no degenerate list monads? the usual one is unique?
< 1427219768 367285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would a degenerate list monad be?
< 1427219776 469656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe could count as one...
< 1427219783 562353 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i feel like such a nerd since i learned it through, um, gemology
< 1427219805 702788 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a webcomic
< 1427219853 54900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i _actually_ learned it from wikipedia's article, but the comic pointed me there
< 1427219935 701469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder if...
< 1427219950 639970 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi chris. 'sbeen a while. anything new for us?
< 1427219987 227014 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hi
< 1427219990 902500 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1427219992 221278 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new
< 1427220001 466694 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... no.
< 1427220010 893013 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427220032 774262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i am not sure whether the usual Monad is the only possible one for [] but i wouldn't be extremely surprised. maybe something that permutes elements could also work, but that wouldn't be "degenerate" as such
< 1427220062 893077 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have to be strictly "degenerate" or any other adjective; just has to exist
< 1427220093 409206 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :to distinguish "the usual list monad" vs "the unique list monad" which is (apparently) what i care about
< 1427220102 754576 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :today
< 1427220106 236874 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ^^^ that's new
< 1427220122 915208 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont understand it myself
< 1427220234 252508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that the ZipList Applicative cannot be extended to a Monad is a bit subtle, so to prove it even more generally...
< 1427220391 278422 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can if all lists are infinite, but then you're using different lists
< 1427220410 214754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it also can if all lists have the same length
< 1427220417 907567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well
< 1427220425 877386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you use a different return
< 1427220616 76639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is the list monad unique" doesn't seem to give any sensible google hits
< 1427220683 640596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate
< 1427220683 751951 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
< 1427220684 78988 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | c.c.c | ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´69 | c.c.c | `\o/´69 ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c |
< 1427220684 182686 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/< c.c >\ /< | | >\ c.c /| | /< |/^\ c.c /|
< 1427220684 731649 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /`\ (_|¯`¯|_)
< 1427220684 871380 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 (_| |_)
< 1427220725 170657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(belated demonstration)
< 1427220925 661745 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:e038:be9e:ae3:daed QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1427220984 854244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does USD form a module over the ring of 100ths of integers? <-- 100ths of integers isn't closed under multiplication
< 1427221145 849134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it is true for lists though <-- is there a proof around?
< 1427221165 72664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would of course give the ZipList thing as a corollary
< 1427221237 299406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well probably not
< 1427221253 894364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just believe it anyway
< 1427221293 505736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the State s monad mentioned is one example where it's definitely not unique: the type is isomorphic to ReaderT s (Writer s) which has a completely different instance
< 1427221296 127710 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1427221358 894330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also WriterT s (Reader s), although i think those two _are_ isomorphic.
< 1427221360 374324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1427221368 99413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and s must be a Monoid.
< 1427221385 23200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl WriterT s (Reader s)
< 1427221385 136336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `unmtl' failed with: `WriterT s (Reader s)' is not applied to enough arguments, giving `/\A. (Reader s) (A, s)'
< 1427221393 409702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl WriterT s (Reader s) a
< 1427221393 461714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Reader s) (a, s)
< 1427221399 274314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1427221431 572673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl ReaderT s (Writer s) a
< 1427221431 727602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> (Writer s) a
< 1427221454 112757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i doing something wrong or doesn't it know about those
< 1427221462 768435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unmtl Writer s a
< 1427221462 868834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a, s)
< 1427221500 337909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @unmtl @unmtl WriterT s (Reader s) a
< 1427221500 339320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Reader s) (a, s)
< 1427221501 141994 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427221525 981229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ
< 1427221526 151804 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69¯|¯⌠
< 1427221526 199013 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/`\|
< 1427221531 186371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it doesn't know that (a b) c is a b c
< 1427221567 12909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's holding up ghc-7.10.1 now?
< 1427221591 521039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it post the deadline?
< 1427221664 656333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm march 20 so yes
< 1427221679 727858 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, last Friday, I thought.
< 1427221703 191220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all tickets are gone from https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Status/GHC-7.10.1
< 1427221703 241551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway they're tweaking release notes, so there's some hope...
< 1427221876 802861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*although i think those two _are_ isomorphic as monads
< 1427222129 169519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they fix your bug
< 1427222160 536837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and yeah I know State wasn't unique in that sense
< 1427222178 734466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: though to be fair that requires Monoid s
< 1427222180 505222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the typeable kind bug has been fixed yes
< 1427222192 26388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is probably no other monad *parametric* in s?
< 1427222197 841807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than state
< 1427222206 634525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1427222215 865623 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random question to anyone who knows: What is the best (quality/file size ratio) lossy audio format? mp3 or ogg? Or doesn't it matter as long as you use a good encoder and reasonable parameters?
< 1427222215 890260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1427222220 1613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can just pick the "right" one all the time
< 1427222221 402959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not
< 1427222228 188657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you'd still need s to have an element
< 1427222243 674268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: opus
< 1427222254 876624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(successor of vorbis)
< 1427222258 794162 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, never heard of that, doubt the player on my phone supports that though
< 1427222262 674002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :will try it I guess
< 1427222264 774836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably rockbox or something does
< 1427222268 772983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that no
< 1427222294 339379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorbis handles artifacts better than mp3, at least, so at low bitrate...
< 1427222305 489336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably LAME is so good that at the kind of bitrates you'd expect to use these days it doesn't matter
< 1427222310 622690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also AAC
< 1427222313 817671 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm I'm rather attached to PowerAmp, the library search and management aspect of it is unparalleled on phones (of what I tried so far)
< 1427222319 422409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strictly better than both mp3 and vorbis probably
< 1427222326 2212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe?)
< 1427222328 403662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't really know)
< 1427222333 755333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1427222340 33227 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mp3 is fine unless you have really good speakers
< 1427222357 912050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use anything it doesn't matter you won't hear any artifacts with reasonable settings
< 1427222379 927831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: actually mp3 is transparent no matter what speakers you have with a good encoder/settings and a not-totally-pathological sample
< 1427222388 93834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, well I have the music in flac currently, which is just a waste of space, so I need to convert it to something. Might as well go for the best one then.
< 1427222397 54008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(please feel free to publish ABX results contradicting this)
< 1427222413 712616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(please don't feel free to tell me lossless "just sounds better" without them)
< 1427222453 675560 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the only reason to use lossless from what I understand if you need to process it (as you would in a studio after recording the music)
< 1427222459 392179 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any music that isn't mp3 so I have no data. My father *claims* that vinyl is best
< 1427222474 141816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hm i think i may have a very degenerate monad that works for _finite length_ lists.
< 1427222510 511144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your father either doesn't understand audio at all, or just likes the specific distortion and artifacts caused by vinyl
< 1427222514 41763 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, I personally hate the typical vinyl sound, it doesn't sound as clear as a CD in general. Though since it is analogue it technically has more information.
< 1427222520 627448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and in particular the evolving nature of them as you listen to a record over time)
< 1427222523 618339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fine
< 1427222541 717694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can capture any given play of a vinyl just fine in digital audio and play that back and it'll sound just as good
< 1427222549 345015 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he just likes the music that came out in the days of vinyl
< 1427222554 964646 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1427222563 586135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and vinyl sometimes has better mastering than CD releases
< 1427222571 93169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more dynamic range etc.
< 1427222572 446835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it of course sounds a lot better
< 1427222616 433503 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think i know what you mean, vinyl records are quieter
< 1427222625 921638 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think the sheet music sounds superior to all of these
< 1427222630 821615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :return x = [x]; [x] >>= f = f x; l >>= f | all ((==1).length) l' = concat l | otherwise = [] where l' = map f l
< 1427222637 487509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a quick primer on digital audio in terms of how sampling and analogue vs. digital etc. works, https://www.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html is nice
< 1427222651 281953 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no pesky acoustics getting in between you and the pure music
< 1427222658 133816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*concat l'
< 1427222666 52800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: yeah (not always. sometimes they just use the exact same master they were going to use for the CD and press it to vinyl. except it gets actually more distorted by the processing needed to be able to put it on vinyl)
< 1427222704 490540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, most people are never even going to notice artifacts in an even 128 kbps MP3 encoded with a good version of LAME
< 1427222717 293339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like lossless audio but just because I'm obsessive, not because it is actually better for me in any way whatsoever.
< 1427222720 442120 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why would they not add the most dynamic range they can? Seems stupid to not make use of the entire spectrum. And surely CD audio has enough dynamic range for anything...
< 1427222741 838460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well I can't summarise the loudness war in a single IRC line
< 1427222745 573027 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well anything non-pathological
< 1427222747 674310 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because WE LIKE IT LOUD DUDURDUDUR
< 1427222751 228069 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought that was just radio...
< 1427222755 412540 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not CDs
< 1427222758 479753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it affects CD mastering
< 1427222759 6112 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-azcjaxswpbjzzqjp QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1427222768 646525 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? It makes little sense there
< 1427222779 118440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just read the wikipedia article or something >_>
< 1427222785 717844 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1427222795 198304 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so
< 1427222828 277391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's also not 100% objectively terrible, really, it produces a certain sound. lots of compression is obviously wildly inappropriate for certain music, though.)
< 1427222830 335244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so, I'm probably going for lame, since I remember there was/is an issue with cover art in ogg using PowerAmp.
< 1427222857 461176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1427222863 149381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use one of the --preset options and leave it at that
< 1427222866 69401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the default should be just fine)
< 1427222873 719095 :heroux!~heroux@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zytdhssobragbavx JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427222903 174853 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would like a feature to do compression up to a certain minimum level on the fly. That would be useful when feeding music into the car stereo while driving and you hit a quiet piece you can't hear about the engine. And when you turn it up and it gets to a loud section you suddenly can't hear the car engine instead
< 1427222910 932458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--preset medium if you want to save some space with most likely no perceptible loss of quality, --preset standard if you want some kind of stronger transparency guarantee
< 1427222934 91673 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said "good version" of lame
< 1427222935 566619 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ lame --version
< 1427222935 644505 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAME 64bits version 3.99.5 (http://lame.sf.net)
< 1427222936 122941 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1427222944 573528 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I try to update it
< 1427222952 596079 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is debian stable after all
< 1427222996 387552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well Ubuntu 14.04 LTS has the same version. So screw it
< 1427223000 117459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"anything from the last decade"
< 1427223024 16220 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah this is the last version
< 1427223028 200594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean that in the Old Days mp3s actually did suck, because all the encoders did.
< 1427223045 957467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you actually did need super-high bitrates to get reasonable results.
< 1427223053 606017 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, a package where debian stable has the current version
< 1427223068 113712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbf that version was released over three years ago
< 1427223072 203737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that why loudr still provides 320 kbps MP3 download...
< 1427223078 799908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAME is one of those programs that is pretty much complete
< 1427223091 204744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no that's just because people want them
< 1427223113 400071 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would prefer VBR, bandcamp has that iirc, it is a bit smaller...
< 1427223125 774256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but people see 320 and think "that's the maximum, it must be better".
< 1427223136 422192 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :loudr just provides 320, FLAC and apple lossless
< 1427223161 99999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. that makes them look higher quality than saying "~190 kbps" and it's also simpler.
< 1427223178 990816 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm too lazy to convert to something sane (in which case you should probably start with lossless anyway?)
< 1427223181 261226 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually get my music from youtube so my perceptions might be ... pedestrian
< 1427223191 77865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, listening to music is a subjective psychological experience. so if people like their placebos, then cool.
< 1427223204 972924 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually prefer bandcamp as a platform when the music is available there
< 1427223211 599162 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah
< 1427223212 596280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wouldn't transcode but you could probably do it without losing too much if you needed to save space
< 1427223224 633420 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually can't tell the difference between a CD and the ipepd mp3
< 1427223229 123495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"too much" = "anything noticeable", I guess. I don't know how bad transcodes really are with decent source material and settings.
< 1427223252 14843 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, I have a 64 GB memory card in my phone, 17 GB of that is music, about 5 is various other stuff, and the rest is free
< 1427223258 438940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not quite hurting for space yet
< 1427223294 659428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also covert art embedding is really stupid. Because that will be the same across an album. And now you have 10+ copies of the same image
< 1427223308 823937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can just put cover.jpg or album.jpg or whatever the names people use are in the same folder
< 1427223312 240725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that usually works?
< 1427223312 760855 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, On the other hand, cover.jpg files show up in the bloody album app on the phone
< 1427223321 60856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the cover is going to be smaller than the audio data :P
< 1427223346 243024 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure, but this album has 1500x1500 png cover art embedded!
< 1427223349 778521 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just reduce the cover art to 64x64 and put it in
< 1427223351 256800 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pretty stupid
< 1427223379 300581 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, A bit more than that given the screen. I usually go for 500x500, that works well when blown up on the lock screen as well
< 1427223420 803666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes I have seen <10 MB music files with cover art of 2 MB
< 1427223454 866822 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427223520 260991 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm...
< 1427223521 602281 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :RECOMMENDED:
< 1427223521 602974 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : lame -V2 input.wav output.mp3
< 1427223529 531884 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not recommending --preset in --help?
< 1427223558 456997 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I
< 1427223573 904632 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaat... lame can't read flac? How annoying, oggenc can iirc
< 1427223601 809798 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert to wav first?
< 1427223609 57327 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, but that is annoying.
< 1427223621 256955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :find . -iname '*.flac' -print0 | xargs -0 -n1 -P4 lame -V2 has a certain beauty
< 1427223631 343729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: -V2 is --preset standard
< 1427223634 271888 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1427223659 214583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=LAME#Recommended_encoder_settings
< 1427223667 376568 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how to convert to wav without touching ffmpeg (spending 10 hours reading man page)
< 1427223677 794499 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sox maybe
< 1427223692 92820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh though I would just use one of the three presets in http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=LAME#Technical_information that aren't the 320 one
< 1427223699 308124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, V0, V2 or V4
< 1427223722 177410 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use avconv (ffmpeg's new name) for a lot of stuff
< 1427223724 579614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :twiddling any more nobs than a -V switch is pointless and harmful, anyway
< 1427223737 456607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: that is a very flamewarry way of describing the ffmpeg/libav split :P
< 1427223737 944292 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, avconv is not ffmpeg's new name. That is a fork and what not
< 1427223742 579825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think Debian is switching back to ffmpeg?)
< 1427223752 151934 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I heard that too elliott
< 1427223764 256736 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I always had issues with avconv compared to real ffmpeg
< 1427223778 220272 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I use it for taking out pieces of a video
< 1427223804 255184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is "politics.exe"
< 1427223816 675395 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it definitely can be used for that. But it is a swiss army knife, and I don't use it enough to remember the complicated syntax
< 1427223834 344376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffmpeg/avconv should just use the LAME library, anyway
< 1427223842 214540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it almost certainly does
< 1427223848 641248 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does USD form a module over the ring of 100ths of integers? <-- 100ths of integers isn't closed under multiplication <-- bah, foiled again
< 1427223851 929401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: flac can decode to stdout btw
< 1427223856 745643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can probably just pipe that into lame
< 1427223859 561073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc)
< 1427223894 883274 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then I will have to deal with messy file names with space. Also parallelizing it would be annoying
< 1427223912 36626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1427223917 361458 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, xargs -P
< 1427223935 138920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this about filenames
< 1427223943 372305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean flac ... filename | lame ... rather than lame ... filename
< 1427223976 375550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, sure, but that means lame doesn't auto-set a reasonable output file name based on input, which it does when just provided a file name
< 1427223986 540905 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm just fascinated that it seems to be an open(ish) question
< 1427224002 894940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i in *.flac; do sox "${i}" "${i/.flac/.wav}"; done # not parallel, but quite fast
< 1427224008 179755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :find . -iname '*.wav' -print0 | xargs -0 -n1 -P4 lame -V2 # speeeed
< 1427224027 652416 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I could see the Maybe monad being unique
< 1427224041 457949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not so much an open question as nobody has bothered writing it up, as far as [] goes, I think
< 1427224046 901821 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal how many cores do you have???
< 1427224052 200536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those things that's "just obvious"
< 1427224054 376513 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, 4
< 1427224058 109946 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :has someone found http://blog.jle.im/entry/a-non-unique-monad-instance yet?
< 1427224059 729053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I am proved wrong I will eat several hats
< 1427224062 219074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, which is why I used -P4
< 1427224066 328923 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1427224073 35709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah not all types have a unique monad instance
< 1427224080 272921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though some of them have them unique up to a choice of monoid or such, I suspect
< 1427224087 772604 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then with 2 programs per run, use P2?
< 1427224090 448022 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Though .wav lost the metadata, of course
< 1427224098 106306 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that can be copied
< 1427224106 635606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: for something like State, the thing is that we associate semantics with State s a beyond just Thing s a = s -> (a, s)
< 1427224132 315182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when we say "the State monad", we're bringing the intended semantics in, whereas "the Thing monad" would be legitimately ambiguous
< 1427224383 310346 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(,) Integer has multiple valid Monad instances
< 1427224399 722583 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg, the Sum writer, the Product writer
< 1427224416 331838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I tried out the Android photosphere and panorama things. But the subject matter was such that you can't really judge stitching quality or anything.
< 1427224417 890603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1427224422 746023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that falls under "unique up to a choice of monoid"
< 1427224473 199467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh?
< 1427224505 257614 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, I missed the goalposts moving
< 1427224523 321472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hehe
< 1427224527 965349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is strange, I'm using X11 forwarding, and a bloody wine program runs better over it than a qt program
< 1427224528 780324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I never claimed that every type has a unique monad instance
< 1427224535 688195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that counterexample from the start
< 1427224554 348942 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt is probably poorly written then
< 1427224555 462167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This is directly out of the device: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20150324-pano_20150321_221800.jpg -- I think you could stitch that up pretty much as badly as you like and it still wouldn't be too noticeable.
< 1427224561 563470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that doesn't surprise me
< 1427224563 369833 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, howabout "Sum Integer -> (Sum Integer, a)" has a more interesting non-uniqueness
< 1427224568 203371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wine's UI stuff is a lot simpler
< 1427224572 750350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm true
< 1427224579 541140 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie, State monad and composition of Reader and Writer
< 1427224589 106800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and also I suspect Qt don't care about X11 forwarding
< 1427224597 633466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's unpleasant and Wayland
< 1427224618 591458 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think this qt is too old. Thought it is probably PyQt as well on top of everything
< 1427224636 122693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, there's a noticeable jagged edge in the pillar in front of the stage.)
< 1427224641 340473 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of audio codecs I found http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html to be a good read
< 1427224654 686861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm forwarding from debian stable, I doubt it is too waylandish yet
< 1427224679 183839 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone here ever heard of "A Logical Approach to Discrete Math0"
< 1427224710 617395 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by David Gries and F.B Schnieder
< 1427224761 167586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I just mean nobody cares about X11 forwarding because that's not how networked GUIs will work under Wayland, which is The Future that everyone is preparing for.
< 1427224788 999665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rapidly becoming the present, really... I think Fedora plans to partially switch next version and then fully switch by default the version after?)
< 1427224803 523468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hehe, I linked that earlier
< 1427224808 403522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, I'm just trying to quickly access a GUI program on a different computer, and no x11vnc won't work well (because the target screen is like 3 times as big as the laptop I'm at)
< 1427224817 198000 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh.
< 1427224827 202062 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm what happens to catalyst and the nvidia drivers?
< 1427224830 201003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't get into lossy compression or anything but it's like half of what I know about digital audio
< 1427224839 961116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm no expert!)
< 1427224847 162964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could use xpra
< 1427224856 632611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and those drivers do kernel modesetting anyway
< 1427224863 380657 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for forwarding? Never heard of it, will look into it
< 1427224867 968559 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well yes; that's similar to "the ring of reals" thing; when people say that, I know they mean "the usual ring over the reals" even though there are probably others
< 1427224870 493584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you have I told you about xpra before :P
< 1427224873 286790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think)
< 1427224877 973404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: right
< 1427224883 643560 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
< 1427224889 186915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well, are there others? it depends on what you mean by "the reals"
< 1427224900 732911 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, i mean, i don't know
< 1427224904 923728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about modesetting? Does that mean the drivers will work out of box for opengl under wayland?
< 1427224906 691284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't mean a set, because there are multiple constructions of the reals and only set theorists care about the difference
< 1427224931 207846 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed the user space component (libGL, libGLU and so on) would need updating to work with wayland
< 1427224934 327195 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pretend i said "rationals" if you like :0
< 1427224938 252857 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:)
< 1427224940 532154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically like what "the X" means in category theory -- "we know that all Xs are, say, uniquely isomorphic, so 'the X' just means whichever X you want, because there is only one in the ways we care about"
< 1427224941 758271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thought the drivers provided them
< 1427224960 140062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "the reals" probably means "the ordered Archimedean field"
< 1427224963 513878 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy jesus "XWayland is an X Server running as a Wayland client" oh god why???
< 1427224976 489053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: so that you can run X11 applications on a Wayland desktop?
< 1427224996 198381 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, backward compatibility?
< 1427225002 766965 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we need to redirect everyhtinh thru another program!?!??
< 1427225002 973156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do nerds get so worked up about simple things... it's literally just software, chill :p
< 1427225040 165604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I should try that response at work :D
< 1427225078 438484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: ok, since you must be an expert to know how obviously unreasonable this is, what would you do?
< 1427225083 322238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We are not meeting the real time scheduling deadline!" "It's literally just software, chill :p"
< 1427225135 986286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes I work on real time control software, partly safety critical as in human lives, partly just "we lose a lot of money if it doesn't work")
< 1427225181 388567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully the level of discourse at your workplace is slightly higher than holy jesus oh god why
< 1427225190 110545 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I would have the new display thingy support the old API directly.
< 1427225201 946271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: that's not how it works. X11 is a network protocol
< 1427225223 717543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the whole point is to drop the cruft of the X11 protocol from the core display server.
< 1427225238 242375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, multiple libraries are used to access X11 servers. e.g. Xlib and XCB.)
< 1427225266 934095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's not really such a thing as "the Wayland server".
< 1427225282 503737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just Wayland compositors, which are relatively simple to write, because they don't have to do much.
< 1427225297 750505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but you knew all this before dismissing it, right?
< 1427225303 716640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, obviously. Though missing two scheduling deadlines in a row (or more than x in y, which I don't remember on the top of my head) will trigger an emergency stop. So that is probably not the worst way for stuff to fail in. And it failed in the lab (with simulated actuations) like that of course at some point or other
< 1427225323 700066 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my key issue here is "will this change cause my stuff to run slower or possibly not work?" and the answer seems to be "yes"
< 1427225326 373625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: please don't get me killed :P
< 1427225339 290530 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you work in a mine?
< 1427225372 417634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: I don't see any reason for a non-negligible speed penalty. also, GTK and Qt and SDL and ... support Wayland natively, so most things will not go through the X11 forwarding soon enough.
< 1427225387 431000 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like pulseaudio caused problems for liek 5 years before is worked
< 1427225390 847575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you don't work in one, then you are probably safe from me at least.
< 1427225396 627638 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, also, that's the point (when you just start making general statements about structures) where I usually get lost :)
< 1427225401 344571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the current default GNOME Wayland setup actually uses XWayland for all the applications rather than native Wayland and it works just fine.
< 1427225408 413174 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, good evening, all
< 1427225410 310811 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1427225412 119574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the overhead should be roughly nothing
< 1427225419 543931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's not so much an open question as nobody has bothered writing it up, as far as [] goes, I think <-- did you see my finite length only counterexample above
< 1427225427 455197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're just looking for an excuse to complain though so whatever
< 1427225429 897454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh I didn't
< 1427225429 898102 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about gaming performance through XWayland though?
< 1427225442 839615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it's still going to be using GL, right
< 1427225458 534129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaaaybe there'll be one additional copy?
< 1427225463 260017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure, I think there might not be
< 1427225464 956613 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, input lag though?
< 1427225470 456349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1427225477 396661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like xwayland is some huge bulky thing
< 1427225479 454428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, an extra layer
< 1427225481 395149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1427225489 390690 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: essentially I'm aware that ANY change to software tends to cause users problems (NEW probles which don't have workarounds yet)
< 1427225495 680595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that there weren't extra layers before...
< 1427225496 908502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like running an X11 server except instead of talking to graphicsy KMS stuff directly it talks to a wayland compositor
< 1427225512 183015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: ok. then I suggest running debian stable
< 1427225515 356300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never updating it
< 1427225540 640321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that is a strange instance
< 1427225540 907702 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run Xubuntu stable and I rarely update it
< 1427225552 343652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: great. then you don't have to complain about changes because you won't get them
< 1427225553 848316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also btw, real time systems are so nice to work with, you never see a GUI freeze up. The system just flows nicely all the time, irrespective of load. I'm seriously considering switching to a rt-patch kernel...
< 1427225562 889142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my personal computer I mean
< 1427225578 719563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, that won't solve all of it of course
< 1427225579 615942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I could never work on anything directly connected to people's lives :/
< 1427225644 306602 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, good testing and enough safety layers that if any one of the layers fail everything will stop in a safe way is the key to good sleep while programming real time systems
< 1427225686 772785 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hardware interlocks for the really critical parts of course.
< 1427225759 109098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't posix_madvise any cars I am in
< 1427225779 909580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, If someone hits the emergency stop button, that breaks a constant current and electrically cuts off the output. Then the control software is informed of this, but it is not involved in actually halting the actuations. This is what people refer to as fail-safe
< 1427225790 816460 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, one specific example of fail safe
< 1427225801 421362 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do cars even use UNIX?
< 1427225816 987459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1427225825 828015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an expensive car probably has a couple of linux systems in it these days I think
< 1427225830 861813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but not for anything safety-critical)
< 1427225836 184877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, maybe not "probably"
< 1427225838 131924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some of them do
< 1427225853 602106 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there may be real time linux systems, but the brakes won't be running on Linux
< 1427225858 334214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1427225859 647759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The elevator in a hotel I was in recently had this thing where, for maybe 10-15% of trips, it started moving without closing the doors, went up for maybe a cm or two, then fell back and stopped; then closed the doors and did the normal thing.
< 1427225863 639647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It felt exactly like a hardware interlock stopping the software from doing a stupid thing, and didn't really leave me at ease.
< 1427225869 362749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was thinking for, like, in-car touchscreen type things.
< 1427225871 786972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nobody has safety certified real time linux, that is the reason for that
< 1427225872 880247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so "the reals" probably means "the ordered Archimedean field" <-- *+complete
< 1427225882 941527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I knew I was forgetting something
< 1427225923 118333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, we use real time linux for some modules, but not for the modules which have been deemed safety critical. They run on some expensive certified RTOS.
< 1427225948 126471 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which begs the question... Which code is actually most well tested? That expensive RTOS, or Linux
< 1427225954 227695 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once saw a restaurant sign booting up... it was, for unfathomable reasons, RedHat.
< 1427225958 332570 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/researchers-hack-cars-to-remotely-control-steering-and-brakes-8733723.html
< 1427225960 23700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is certified yes, but what does that actually mean?
< 1427225965 28528 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, scared yet?
< 1427225993 57579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: about as scared as always under late capitalism
< 1427225993 846295 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who certifies it?
< 1427226019 58381 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can almost guarantee it is not formally verified in most cases. Not an entire OS. Specific algorithms maybe.
< 1427226085 602252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, I wonder if the button to lock/unlock the car doors on the key is secure, it probably isn't using high end RSA keys, lets put it like that...
< 1427226102 138135 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the car, a replay attack might work
< 1427226111 285844 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like that "era name": `In 2015, as the Late Capitalism Era continued to smolder...'
< 1427226113 963510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you used one of those fancy RNG card things for banks
< 1427226122 813787 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm?
< 1427226130 447409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you press a button and you put in the number it gives you into your bank's website
< 1427226133 440409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do a wire transfer
< 1427226135 699085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wondered exactly how they work
< 1427226143 57409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll spit out like 5 numbers in a minute before telling you to wait for the next one
< 1427226149 774889 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never heard of such thing
< 1427226151 54117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of many schemes you could use
< 1427226152 604279 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I log in using my debit card, which I put into a card reader with a small display and a numpad
< 1427226166 986046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and that is challenge reply
< 1427226178 460466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secure enough? Maybe, who knows...
< 1427226180 517835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, the card I am talking about is not networked at all
< 1427226189 355833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a button and a display
< 1427226211 373270 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: giant one-time pad on flash memory?
< 1427226213 636036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all* communication must necessarily be one-time, before the card is sent out to the customer
< 1427226222 275387 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well nor is the one I'm using. I get a 9 digit code on my screen, type it into the card reader.
< 1427226234 244953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: maybe... the bank would have to store all the random data though
< 1427226236 292533 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quite similar to this one https://gfs.nb.se/privat/bilder/ovrigt/card_reader_logincard.jpg
< 1427226253 996826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: it could just store a seed, but seeking to the "next" number might be slow
< 1427226256 410469 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then the card PIN, and I get a 9 digit replay code
< 1427226256 911578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1427226257 535338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I said I can imagine tons of systems
< 1427226270 139957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wonder which one is actually used
< 1427226310 99167 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about these: http://www.tokenguard.com/images/tokens/SID700.gif I have that for VPN to work, it gives a new code every 30 seconds... But how do they keep the clock synced?
< 1427226325 999140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: right, it is that kind of thing
< 1427226332 525559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1427226346 856783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the thing that uses dual ec drbg because of the nsa
< 1427226349 467976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahahahahahahaha
< 1427226361 219864 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm maybe? It looks quite similar at least
< 1427226375 960878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay no it doesn't use it
< 1427226377 891134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just other RSA stuff
< 1427226381 402303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1427226390 92515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The RSA SecurID token is a rather old, already broken and a rather expensive solution." hm
< 1427226394 727713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway one way to do it could be like...
< 1427226403 718866 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need more than just that one though, password as well
< 1427226407 463743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a key shared by the bank and your card
< 1427226420 997103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a SecurID at Nokia.
< 1427226421 506182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for https://gfs.nb.se/privat/bilder/ovrigt/card_reader_logincard.jpg you mean?
< 1427226427 936305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the card spits out some jumbling of the key with the current minute you're in, and an index
< 1427226432 768039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like "the Nth code of the minute")
< 1427226443 239446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then your bank just probes that space
< 1427226444 378565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1427226447 642409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's actually rate-limited though
< 1427226463 590894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like pressing it repeatedly gets you fewer codes in a minute than pressing it slowly over the course of the minute? I'm not sure
< 1427226471 820255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no for the thing I'm talking about
< 1427226473 876832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: that is a strange instance <-- basically i define everything to be [] except what the first and second monad laws and fmap law force not to be
< 1427226478 737299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry I don't care about your bank's system at all :p
< 1427226479 775143 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just noticed that there are both edirc and erdic o_O
< 1427226517 698789 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the one I have is rate limited and the challenge is time limited in it's validity, but not time limited in the generation algorithm (I tried the same challenge twice with a few minutes in between on the device, gave the same response)
< 1427226548 121858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: there used to be both newsham and news-ham but that was my fault.
< 1427226552 76947 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, a challenge is only valid for one entry on the website though
< 1427226555 5264 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1427226576 782686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the bank account has a card reader with three different functions. One is plain identification, one a challenge-response and the last one a sign-a-payment thing. They differ in how many things you need to type in.
< 1427226612 550396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: it would have been good if you made edirc as a pun on erdic though.
< 1427226616 874663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yep
< 1427226635 888172 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha erdic it was totally a pun
< 1427226663 512085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there are 4 buttons on the one I have (login, sign, buy and something I don't remember), only ever use two though (login and sign)
< 1427226671 126115 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a key pad
< 1427226697 580056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :though all are challenge-response based
< 1427226724 3163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "identify" on mine only needs the PIN.
< 1427226730 540388 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? Okay
< 1427226741 54144 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it is challenge + PIN for every function
< 1427226768 673389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR challenge wants one code, and sign a code and a monetary amount.
< 1427226789 81056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :though challenge length can vary on a given function depending on what you transfer. Like when I made a bit transfer I had to type in the sum I transferred as well as the usual random numbers
< 1427226810 97007 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :big*
< 1427226868 889150 :AndoDaan!~AndoDaan@188.189.71.111 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1427226962 538703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a Google account phishing email at my personal (non-gmail) address the other day.
< 1427226991 756108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't very professional, although they had at least copied the logos.
< 1427227008 786578 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1427227035 786608 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I assume you use two factor auth for google?
< 1427227068 328736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I can't comment, but common sense says that would be a reasonable guess.
< 1427227082 465380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that covered under your NDA too
< 1427227101 363869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not explicitly. It's just very generic.
< 1427227114 566434 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a lot of sites have been pushing it lately
< 1427227137 479548 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427227165 540087 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :google, github, gandi, linode, launchpad too iirc(?)
< 1427227175 995719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm sure I have seen more offering it
< 1427227194 605997 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did bitbucket offer it? I can't remember
< 1427227213 159418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do support it for regular Google accounts. I think you can also use a Yubikey: https://www.yubico.com/products/yubikey-hardware/yubikey-neo/
< 1427227233 167607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to pay for the hardware, that is.
< 1427227236 548490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah probably
< 1427227254 279742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, issue with yubikey iirc, is that it is limited to the number of accounts it can track?
< 1427227255 254098 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No?
< 1427227293 563465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? I don't know details.
< 1427227298 131751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION growls at Microsoft.
< 1427227320 399224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have expected, but...
< 1427227329 241383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yubikey supports like a billion things
< 1427227339 59902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.yubico.com/products/yubikey-hardware/
< 1427227348 244951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even PGP if you buy the right one
< 1427227388 700178 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm maybe it was the original one that was fairly limited then
< 1427227406 44772 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there is the new U2F thingy
< 1427227426 166866 :L8D!~L8D@99-156-81-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427227433 461377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yubikey supports that
< 1427227437 980033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even have one that just does that
< 1427227440 317420 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We're switching our calendars to Exchange... so you can mark appointments as private. Common sense would suggest that this means that the details of the appointment are only visible to yourself. And it seems to be true, as long as you use MS' own clients. But the server happily gives the information out, and the EWS provider for Thunderbird does *not* filter the information of other people's...
< 1427227447 199541 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...private appointments...)
< 1427227448 744488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for $18
< 1427227467 584238 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yubikey is pretty delightful.
< 1427227473 477773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Does the normal one support it? Then a neo might be worth buying, rather than storing the two factor auth keys on your phone...
< 1427227491 576743 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tinyurl.com/pz5pcje
< 1427227492 95222 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that costs 50
< 1427227496 823147 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite a lot
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< 1427227500 926744 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's what MS has to say on this.
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< 1427227517 824097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I literally linked you a table with all the things the models support. :p
< 1427227542 467437 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I'm looking at it currently
< 1427227555 610921 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I would need NFC support, and $50 is quite a bit of money
< 1427227666 400058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1427227677 47394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your salary and how often would you need a new yubikey though
< 1427227793 891708 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well depends on if they break backward compatibility and how long the thing lasts
< 1427227812 946775 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't and apparently ages.
< 1427227837 798045 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it support firmware updates? . o O ( If so, every time you cross the US border and they find it in their security checks :P )
< 1427227849 955838 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah
< 1427227852 632248 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Nope.
< 1427227873 757527 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's the reason. :)
< 1427227911 361177 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well okay, but look at the original standard yubikey, it is fairly limited compared to the neo, and since they don't support firmware upgrades, I believe early neo doesn't support U2F?
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< 1427227921 248327 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Correct.
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< 1427227957 196138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they could probably do enough with just temporary access to it, really
< 1427227985 825228 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not going to see new functionality for the thing, but it's not as though support for it's going to suddenly go away.
< 1427227987 781151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of irrelevant though since they could also just demand that you do whatever.
< 1427227989 806845 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so that can be considered breaking backward compatibility the day when TOTP is deprecated in favor U2F
< 1427228011 332408 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and apparently U2F currently doesn't support NFC
< 1427228017 269765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no login on the phone
< 1427228050 674019 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please note, current U2F standards do not support NFC for mobile devices. For more information, you can access the full U2F Specifications on the FIDO Alliance website."
< 1427228066 591056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably won't be possible to update a NEO to add that support?
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< 1427228751 727061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm a ubikey neo and putting your ssh keys on it as well would be cool. And client ssl certificate.
< 1427228782 386591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: uh, just make sure you don't lose it
< 1427228790 643160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think you could use password-protected keys there)
< 1427228821 119182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm... well you could have a password protected offline copy stored in a bank deposit
< 1427228833 275885 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something along those lines
< 1427228856 922488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that someone would get access to all your ssh accounts just from stealing your key
< 1427228913 44107 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: keep it around your neck at all times then
< 1427228943 565192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1427228957 732150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally it would be embedded in your skin and only removable surgically
< 1427228967 674153 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(these things are waterproof right)?]
< 1427228971 94655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let's hope it doesn't have a tracking device in it)
< 1427229002 436483 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh shit
< 1427229018 783604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm surely it would be pin protected as well? I think the GPG key variant when the device is acting as a smartcart requires a pin
< 1427229027 654825 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :from some googling at least
< 1427229037 383724 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's life in our corporatist paradise
< 1427229083 909115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe... how do you give the yubikey the pin without giving the computer you're using license to print as many signaturse as it wants
< 1427229106 873387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*signatures
< 1427229136 594948 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the issue I have is storing keys on my computer, even encrypted, what if the key is being handled in memory at the moment an attack happens
< 1427229147 469943 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm true
< 1427229173 94308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would need a bulky PIN entry thing
< 1427229178 338978 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1427229182 244542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1427229185 726153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would still require you to press it
< 1427229187 713911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1427229193 446499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda yuck to give your computer the PIN
< 1427229197 243887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed
< 1427229210 121677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahem* voice input for digits *ahem*
< 1427229214 104874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good in public. :p
< 1427229219 956781 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah
< 1427229225 729641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what they have you working on :P
< 1427229226 495155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe try whispering.
< 1427229233 351182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Speaking of which, what if an attack breaks out of the browser sandbox. Then it has control of your X session... And if you have a root terminal open at that point. Ouch
< 1427229235 317985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I can't comment, but no.
< 1427229274 456556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do remember reading one whisper-related research paper, but I can't recall whether it was about whispering recognition or whispering synthesis.
< 1427229287 929279 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you call old versions of google now "google then"?
< 1427229288 383979 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :put a touchscreen on it and use handwriting input
< 1427229304 735376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think Wayland will be a bit more secure there
< 1427229309 784595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh?
< 1427229318 180504 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be less bulky but more expensive obviously
< 1427229318 803972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that it will have more security than X's "none"
< 1427229330 993008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; the way people have explained it to me, Wayland will improve on X's security model by having one.
< 1427229341 440096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1427229344 217800 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so now you break screen magnifiers and screenshot apps?
< 1427229362 81953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no how terrible, we'll have to give like three programs special permissions :p
< 1427229371 417730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also password managers where you copy the key means that your key can be spyed on when in the clipboard
< 1427229377 220182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right
< 1427229427 523722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this authentication talk makes me ashamed of not having enabled 2FA for my personal Google account. :/
< 1427229443 684955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Apparently you can use gpg on yubikey, and you can use a gpg-agent for ssh login, so that way you can use a yubikey for ssh...
< 1427229480 307854 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though there is no direct ssh key or ssl client cert support
< 1427229625 979978 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I just avoid having anything important on there
< 1427229705 808141 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I deal with my bank mostly physically anyway
< 1427229822 159711 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is cheap to clone a credit card, expensive to make a mask that looks like me and copy my passport
< 1427229854 420035 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although with modern 3d printing...
< 1427229868 342482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Here's the other place I did a photosphere thing: http://goo.gl/0SvqVQ
< 1427229887 610553 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I didn't see the first one?
< 1427229890 651091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not shown on Google Maps. Why? Pending approval..." they don't like me :/
< 1427229897 676059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. Well, it's the same place as the panorama.
< 1427229927 310592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goo.gl/Wrhs28
< 1427229938 479692 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that thing is hell on my browser on this old laptop? Can't you just link it like a normal image?
< 1427229958 108371 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't mind it being a bit distorted
< 1427229972 796418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay.
< 1427229985 391297 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think it is trying to do GL stuff, this is a core 2 duo with intel graphics, from before when intel graphics were any good
< 1427229993 969585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that I don't have it dumped from the phone yet.
< 1427229997 840660 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1427230001 21027 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll wait
< 1427230003 311628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Forgot.)
< 1427230008 729629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you can link to the underlying image in Views.
< 1427230017 95750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I didn't see any google maps integration in google camera?
< 1427230049 500723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, it's really strange. Apparently you're supposed to be able to "share" it from Photos directly to Maps, but Maps doesn't even show up in the sharing menu.
< 1427230064 329465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so how did you upload it to maps?
< 1427230074 832574 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the roundhouse?
< 1427230093 584733 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a nightclub or a theatre?
< 1427230094 710633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The "official" (as in, mentioned in the support group) workaround is to set "full-resolution uploads" on in G+, upload to a G+ post, then go to Views with a regular browser and import it in from "my posts".
< 1427230101 104297 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Also I wouldn't want to share it to maps, in any case, I don't get any royalty for it from google...
< 1427230106 209477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: It's a venue, I think it's mostly about music?
< 1427230128 102804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh I actually laughed out loud at that complicated workaround
< 1427230166 675730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean, it's just an image, I think you can also just upload it to Views from a computer, and use any means you like to get the image off the phone. Although I don't know if it loses some metadata.
< 1427230189 393016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, at least my phone makes a pretty low-res photosphere.
< 1427230193 344834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is "Views" with a capital V anyway?
< 1427230201 209789 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, so does mine
< 1427230217 987955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And didn't you have a nexus 6?
< 1427230227 594487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess low res is a way to hide the seams
< 1427230247 38789 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some google thing... they've switched from prepending a G to just capitalizing everything
< 1427230252 610230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: As far as I can tell, Views is the part of Google Maps that deals with photospheres. The linking of multiple ones into a navigable thing, and the web-viewer, and so on.
< 1427230275 482438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20150324-pano_20150321_191802.jpg is the one I had dumped out of the phone, as a regular image.
< 1427230276 690870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is this different than street view?
< 1427230299 271804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, neat, what is that of
< 1427230311 461968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.roundhouse.org.uk/
< 1427230320 442129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some old railway turntable thing, I think.
< 1427230324 655846 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That photosphere thing is cool, how does that work?
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< 1427230347 918472 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, turned into a venue?
< 1427230351 339997 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1427230352 499346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^
< 1427230356 991837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1427230389 469174 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, the phone uses the gyro to keep track of where you are looking and then try to stitch together an image similar to any other panorama
< 1427230394 852668 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1427230412 944383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well probably gyro and compass
< 1427230431 781853 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, it also shows some guide points to help you get complete coverage
< 1427230471 27478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I can download the other photo back out of G+.
< 1427230490 193246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2015 - 1.jpg". What a good file name.
< 1427230502 549533 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it would be fun to try photo mapping btw, as in using photos to re-create a 3D scene with reasonable textures, it is all the rage nowdays
< 1427230559 603421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I even tried that out briefly back in Finland on some buildings of the university campus, but couldn't get a good enough set of photos to make the software work.
< 1427230572 897779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20150324-ps.jpg there's the other thing.
< 1427230615 802836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, a rather nasty seam in the bridge. They look okayish at a glance, but...
< 1427230663 716056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll stick to panotoolsing it up. But admittedly this is more convenient.
< 1427230695 434372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? what software?
< 1427230703 471317 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what software to use
< 1427230711 412008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a good set of links somewhere.
< 1427230722 51713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right here.
< 1427230728 86814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if they're not dead yet.
< 1427230741 964940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice sphere
< 1427230747 942088 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I forgot if I uploaded mine
< 1427230859 651938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~snavely/bundler/ does the basic unsorted-images-to-sparse-3D-point-cloud thing, http://www.di.ens.fr/pmvs/ can take that further into a mesh-and-texture thing, http://www.di.ens.fr/cmvs/ is a computational-cost-reducing trick for it, and http://ccwu.me/vsfm/ is kind of a full toolchain/frontend for it all.
< 1427230879 847565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all typical research code, so at least back when I was trying, getting it to compile was a full evening's job.
< 1427230879 848469 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1427230888 265698 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch
< 1427230919 27076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :VisualSFM changelog doesn't include dates, cleverly, so it's hard to tell if it's actually seen any work lately.
< 1427230929 641870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm didn't google research thingy have a phone with stereo cameras that could do this on the fly?
< 1427230933 475895 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :project tango?
< 1427230937 288180 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that?
< 1427230939 753429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1427230991 253775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember something else vaguely similar too.
< 1427231000 125743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a Tested.com video or something.
< 1427231019 166990 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1427231034 775718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course Street View does 3D reconstruction, but that's based on the LIDAR stuff.
< 1427231067 966781 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1427231078 429900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a LIDAR unit at the Computer History Museum's self-driving car exhibit.
< 1427231087 320300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, actually, does it do 3D reconstruction?
< 1427231096 153932 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never noticed it
< 1427231121 180691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how widely they actually do it.
< 1427231134 509713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean, some areas only?
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< 1427231285 839257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this vague idea (based entirely on pre-Google knowledge) that the LIDAR data from Street View cars is involved in the 3D buildings of Google Earth (which I guess is now kinda-sorta part of the new web Google Maps).
< 1427231295 87131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I could be entirely wrong there.
< 1427231312 693128 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D buildings on google maps? Didn't know that
< 1427231344 306733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. If you use the new thing, satellite imagery is replaced with something relatively Earth-like.
< 1427231362 243464 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1427231368 815647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except you only have three levels of tilt (straight from above, and two oblique ones) and the 4 cardinal directions for rotation.
< 1427231379 657306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's all WebGL.
< 1427231384 979112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not like this computer could handle it, Also wouldn't it be limited to areas with street view coverage only?
< 1427231411 624048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's limited to much less than that. Like, major city centres.
< 1427231546 374449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1427231596 618879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helsinki doesn't have 3D buildings (in Maps) at all.
< 1427231605 461481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it does in the actual Google Earth.
< 1427231608 387274 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1427231639 889548 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how does it handle complex building shapes? Like "not a box"?
< 1427231653 57006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's been impressively good, actually.
< 1427231668 273769 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I wonder if it based on building plans though
< 1427231672 926274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a funny thing that it's clearly somehow optimized for the view direction.
< 1427231682 640458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly just the render aspect.)
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< 1427231694 803579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you rotate it 90 degrees, it's very... well, it's hard to describe. But wrong-looking.
< 1427231705 899118 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm fairly certain that the building outlines on some Swedish maps are, because they are basically identical between different providers.
< 1427231707 714097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it'll fix things up after it loads more stuff.
< 1427231746 486910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this magazine article is right, the 3D buildings in Maps are based on reconstructions from aerial imagery.
< 1427231787 925305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that I don't believe quite
< 1427231805 52332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if so I wonder what something like the Eifel tower would end up looking like
< 1427231843 797664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've had the "landmark" buildings as manually constructed 3D models for quite a while.
< 1427231852 146792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt they'll let the autogenerated stuff override that.
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< 1427231873 937611 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right
< 1427231887 698237 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but I wonder how the algorithm would handle a building like that
< 1427232040 694418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com.au/earth/explore/showcase/3dimagery.html is about the only official thing I can find.
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< 1427232149 207670 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.191.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: elliott: I guess an example is "the group over the rationals"; you obviously wouldn't say that because there are obviously 2 "good" candidates. and I'm pretty sure there are an infinite number of others
< 1427232195 700272 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.191.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric : where * is multiplication and a|b = 2(a+b) I think is a ring, and there would be many more where that came from
< 1427232225 221088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1427232239 829218 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.191.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe a ring theorist would say "that's not REALLY different from the standard one" and well, no, it's not very interesting, they're both rings and ring theorists care more about rings than the sets of things that form the rings
< 1427232243 447601 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.191.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1427232251 270761 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.191.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers DO care about the concrete data, a lot.
< 1427232272 173675 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.191.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just needed to say that. i'll be afk for a bit
< 1427232355 845887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, here it finally is. http://google-latlong.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/never-ending-quest-for-perfect-map.html "Since 2006, we’ve had textured 3D buildings in Google Earth, and today we are excited to announce that we will begin adding 3D models to entire metropolitan areas to Google Earth on mobile devices. This is possible thanks to a combination of our new imagery rendering ...
< 1427232361 762068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... techniques and computer vision that let us automatically create 3D cityscapes, complete with buildings, terrain and even landscaping, from 45-degree aerial imagery."
< 1427232406 248809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for quality, it's not hard to find places where it's made approximations (for "thin" structures etc.) but it's been better than I expected.
< 1427232517 976921 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1427232548 846794 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a|b = 2(a+b) doesn't look very associative
< 1427232588 798567 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps we should start with the existence of a unit
< 1427232811 240125 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is $pos-- while (substr($data, $pos, 1) =~ /[\x80-\xBF]/); okay perl or is there a nicer way of doing that? (The task is to rewind $pos to the start of a unicode character in UTF-8.)
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< 1427233051 804041 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-157.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try matching the string up to position $pos against /[\x80-\xBF]*$/ and use length of match
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< 1427233306 546132 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so ... substr($data, 0, $pos) =~ /[\x80-\xBF]*$/; $pos = $-[0];
< 1427233485 61463 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no, that has an off-by-one error.
< 1427233497 459645 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-157.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, you want $-[0]-1
< 1427233515 400767 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or /.[\x80-\xBF]*$/
< 1427233557 316616 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-157.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is different if the string is all \x80-\xBF]*
< 1427233558 182440 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh but what's the value of $-[0] if there was no match...)
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< 1427233578 489860 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-157.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving out the . ensures a match
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< 1427233621 421360 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-157.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway , the nicest way involves avoiding the need to compute positions in the first place
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< 1427233708 69443 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the ideas
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< 1427233782 489399 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-157.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw!
< 1427234078 917169 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how does the 3D reconstruction thing handle stuff like trees I wonder
< 1427234095 776056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're faked.
< 1427234108 258505 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no I mean, does it filter them?
< 1427234114 979035 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The research stuff you talked about
< 1427234121 767185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, that.
< 1427234124 98443 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also does it need/make use of geotagged images?
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< 1427234148 615292 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember some camera app for my phone that could record compass direction as well
< 1427234152 840695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think at least the VisualSFM workflow needs or makes any use of existing geotags.
< 1427234192 217393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1427234230 477093 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I will endeavor to try that stuff out at some point. You said compiling it was tricky?
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< 1427234300 989613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back then, yes. But I didn't keep any notes.
< 1427234304 421420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this was a while ago?
< 1427234317 706139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, at least a year or two.
< 1427234327 769219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the "Ubuntu" installation guide on the VisualSFM page -- http://www.10flow.com/2012/08/15/building-visualsfm-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin-desktop-64-bit/ -- more or less worked out on Debian.
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< 1427234363 489960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1427234377 776780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must've been more like three years, because this is the same guide I remember reading, and it's talking about 12.04.
< 1427234452 205403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there was nothing especially difficult, just minor nuisances. The kind of things the Ubuntu guide mentions, though I'm sure its workarounds are not the only possible ones.
< 1427234516 229667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you want a feeling of accomplishment, I'd suggest starting with some small physical object that you can walk around and photograph from all angles, and running the thing on that first.
< 1427234541 762355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly even including somewhat from above.
< 1427234547 251665 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't think I uploaded this one before: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pjrwlsdckl3wr81/PANO_20150308_132129.jpg?dl=0
< 1427234556 786834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I tried out that fish eye pano mod
< 1427234558 709406 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mode*
< 1427234603 464401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I think the main problem with my "huge building not entirely visible from any place" thing was that it couldn't figure out how the pieces fit together, so it made me something like 20 unconnected components that were parts of the building.
< 1427234640 439946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's regular photos and just a fisheye projection for the result, or what?
< 1427234651 986023 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I don't mind if the roof is missing, it would be interesting it could accurately reconstruct the view along a street at ground level
< 1427234666 718749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if there are some trees blocking the view every now and then
< 1427234676 6733 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is from the google camera app!
< 1427234685 560453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! I didn't even know it has that.
< 1427234696 109734 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you go to non-sphere panorama and then you switch from landscape mode
< 1427234698 908701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :VisualSFM did pieces of different walls for me, it just didn't combine them into a single whole.
< 1427234738 852699 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is the [box] ... button you click on, and then you select the circle icon
< 1427234742 702122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh. I didn't even see that menu.
< 1427234747 759705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, found it.
< 1427234750 420778 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it wasn't really explanatory
< 1427234757 726523 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no idea it was doing fisheye
< 1427234767 229904 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I first tried it
< 1427234789 192478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what the pillow-shaped thing is? The guide points looked like a 3x3 grid, so just a wideangle thing?
< 1427234811 306469 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think so, though I'm not 100% sure
< 1427234825 934809 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, by the way, how does the google camera app figure out the lens parameters?
< 1427234834 978884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the fisheye has a lot of points.
< 1427234837 182750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love to figure those out myself for use with hugin
< 1427234872 413111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can optimize for them, up to some degree.
< 1427234881 228088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how the stock camera app does it, though.
< 1427234927 878028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is not the stock camera on my phone though
< 1427234932 9974 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is why I wonder
< 1427234943 286267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the data in question is not in the normal EXIF data
< 1427234950 151527 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike what my real camera gives me
< 1427234957 184762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Don't know.
< 1427234967 711504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My old phone (the N900) put some lens stuff in the EXIF data.
< 1427234985 533181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think it was missing some stuff, because Hugin didn't know the focal length multiplier.
< 1427234986 707516 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, here is another phone camera image https://www.dropbox.com/s/p8nfprekuyjupby/PANO_20150314_150829.jpg?dl=0
< 1427235004 591900 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :More traditional pano
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< 1427235264 361680 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.191.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, so | as I defined it isn't associative.
< 1427235301 104930 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.191.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is there only one ring over the rationals?
< 1427235313 798778 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.191.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems so unlikely, somehow
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< 1427235426 48514 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so here is a bunch more panos https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eejt7nnbu5ephrq/AAAR-Jrfg0V8nFPwYKG8_VNGa?dl=0
< 1427235477 499015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also a normal photo of amazing ice
< 1427235558 638717 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: perhaps there's only one ring over rationals where multiplication is comutive?
< 1427235654 523800 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.191.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about where a|b = 2*a*b
< 1427235674 984947 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.191.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is kind of straying from my main point
< 1427235722 225437 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.191.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i don't remember well enough to put into words at the moment
< 1427235737 251958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fancy. Although the fisheye images kind of look "too perfect" to be realistic fisheye images.
< 1427235764 683084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No chromatic aberration near the outer edge and so on.
< 1427235781 836169 :cpressey!~cpressey@109.144.191.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I stand corrected. I do have something new. But it's not terribly esoteric: http://catseye.tc/installation/Matchbox
< 1427235798 842435 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true
< 1427235834 776605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what do you think about the iced branches above the stream?
< 1427235848 608393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it looked more amazing when you were there
< 1427236021 371149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :V. fancy, too. Running water and ice tend to be a good combination. I think there was some photography collection at the Yle (Finnish public broadcasting thing) website once.
< 1427236027 935313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No ice or snow hereabouts.
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< 1427236078 359236 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, two more normal images of fancy ice added (from a while ago, might have showed it earlier?)
< 1427236353 553850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ooh found another nice image I haven't uploaded, might have some seams though
< 1427236398 889716 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :still uploading though
< 1427236421 137104 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok nevermind Wayland is ok... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%28software%29
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< 1427236469 968203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eejt7nnbu5ephrq/AAAR-Jrfg0V8nFPwYKG8_VNGa?dl=0#lh:null-PANO_20150222_143800.jpg
< 1427236546 462668 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What projection is that?
< 1427236582 859421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin, not sure, it is the google camera app photo sphere thingy
< 1427236600 446125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is on the top of a ridge that road goes over, though that isn't clear from the image I think
< 1427236623 471328 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the app was confused, because that looks decidedly flat in the image
< 1427236635 881513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the photoshpere is just regular equirectangular image.
< 1427236679 972408 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway isn't this ice amazing: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eejt7nnbu5ephrq/AAAR-Jrfg0V8nFPwYKG8_VNGa?dl=0#lh:null-DSC_0069.JPG
< 1427236696 358127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The aspect ratio is exactly 2, which would make sense for a 360x180 degree equirectangular image, and the top/bottom edge distortions look like that too.
< 1427236710 351446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since both edges are really just points.)
< 1427236739 719789 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah is is annoying that you get varying pixel sizes in panoramas
< 1427236779 331109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice ice. No pun intended.
< 1427236797 899930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was taking some macro photos of our frozen balcony glasses back in Finland, but haven't had time to put them anywhere.
< 1427236814 796133 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is phone camera, not really macro
< 1427236827 59164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, from the Xperia Z2
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< 1427236975 638997 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm I have an awkward vertical 4K video from my phone here, about 5 seconds. Yeah I don't think I'm very good at videos...
< 1427237013 96868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20150324-20100215_001.jpg this is kind of in the same category, although a bit less frozen. (From 2010, taken with the N900.)
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< 1427237065 508320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap, this 4K video is 149 MB and just 24 seconds long
< 1427237069 271713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not uploading that
< 1427237090 840812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice
< 1427237133 289826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it may be obvious from this image, but the path was really a stream at this point https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eejt7nnbu5ephrq/AAAR-Jrfg0V8nFPwYKG8_VNGa?dl=0#lh:null-DSC_0364.JPG
< 1427237144 81477 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is also quite a steep slope
< 1427237235 949857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took photos of all the Google Android sculptures they have on the lawn.
< 1427237248 689717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you should try photo mapping
< 1427237266 595926 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in 3D reconstruction
< 1427237268 848259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the statues
< 1427237301 59088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have enough frames for that, didn't really have that in mind. Which is silly, because back in Finland I was wondering where I'd find a nice recognizable shape for a statue.
< 1427237305 623539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also btw, I wonder how accurate that 3D mapping is? Could you reconstruct with a street with meter accuracy?
< 1427237324 147741 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww
< 1427237346 970377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe next visit.
< 1427237348 106098 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wouldn't recording video be perfect for this? Just extract the video frames...
< 1427237357 658459 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is the quality too bad?
< 1427237373 253432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the motion blur problem.
< 1427237381 228526 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, true
< 1427237397 113889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try to filter for non-blurry images
< 1427237425 387866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I'm not sure if any of those 4 links I mention explicitly do video, but I'm sure I've seen some stuff related to it.
< 1427237432 594612 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1427237482 550063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first thing (Bundler) is associated with this fancy thing: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/projects/bigsfm/
< 1427237497 229620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about doing large-scale models from large photo datasets that weren't really intended for that purpose.
< 1427237528 578615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :While the VisualSFM workflow is kind of more oriented around you taking a bunch of pictures of a particular thing you want to reconstruct.
< 1427237662 201588 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1427237815 760671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People having been doing SfM from the Google Street View images, I know that.
< 1427237843 616838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=5457551 is something a quick search turned up.
< 1427237861 774366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if we've published any papers in the topic.
< 1427237926 413834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder how many individual photos the Street View collection is. It's probably a big number.
< 1427237973 607 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1427238130 763730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, "Incremental plane-based reconstruction and exploration of buildings in old postcards".
< 1427238230 12143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title was more interesting than the contents, to be honest.
< 1427238247 379338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not Google-related at all, just browsing.)
< 1427238332 461755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vision.princeton.edu/projects/2014/readjustment/paper.pdf is probably relevant wrt how accurate you can get with photos.
< 1427238717 587643 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1427238815 770410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this stuff; it's a shame people aren't doing the same with audio.
< 1427238896 156922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Record some arbitrary signal with N microphones, reconstruct the 3D environment around it. Might be "slightly" more ill-conditioned problem.
< 1427239004 733936 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, though I was more wondering on the global measurement accuracy. Could you for example use this to improve something like openstreetmap?
< 1427239021 746060 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1427239138 822025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How physical-reality-accurate is OpenStreetMap trying to be, anyway?
< 1427239175 351349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, as good as possible, though it depends on the individual contributor I assume
< 1427239228 704564 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have contributed some stuff to it for example. And it depended on my input data in each case how accurate I could be.
< 1427239251 203690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physical accuracy might not be absolutely critical (I mean, below the scale of, say, 1m) for many of their use cases, though.
< 1427239260 353601 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course
< 1427239284 740721 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but air-based imagery in hilly terrain has some issues when not taken from straight above
< 1427239295 983196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's spooky, I went to maps.google.com and it knows where I am.
< 1427239305 7943 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some cases, such as mapping trails in nature reserves, all I have is my GPS traces, with maybe a 10-20 meter accuracy if conditions are bad
< 1427239317 336262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, on a desktop browser. And I don't mean the city, I mean the exact location.
< 1427239323 187183 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch
< 1427239338 275798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I always click "don't share location" when I get such questions
< 1427239357 709665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't ask.
< 1427239377 984100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it didn't show the "website wants to know your location" thing. Although it's quite possible I've given it permission.
< 1427239396 68145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, IP geolocation puts our home DSL into Topcliffe, UK.
< 1427239413 718522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's somewhere north of Leeds, and very much not where we are.
< 1427239462 882239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's something like 300 km off.)
< 1427239480 877529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe 200-300. Anyway.
< 1427239481 335021 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1427239496 539480 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, maybe google checks the ping from all their servers and uses that?
< 1427239504 740964 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be neat
< 1427239554 803745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Or maybe it's tied to my logged-in Android device with location reporting. (Hey, they paid for it.)
< 1427239587 499656 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway, you should be able to deal with hills and such when mapping using SFM on the ground I think.
< 1427239595 857156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is accurate enough
< 1427239608 438056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you have some way to calibrate or measure a base distance
< 1427239664 69532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmaybe. If you don't get a single frame out of the whole thing you're mapping, though, you might end up with accumulating error, like when using accelerometer-based things.
< 1427239836 294534 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1427239863 300814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1427239873 606394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When you activate the My Location feature, Google Maps asks your web browser for your location. Typically, your browser uses information about the Wi-Fi access points around you to estimate your location."
< 1427239890 907867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they know of an access point in this building, or somethin... wait a minute, this desktop doesn't have wifi.
< 1427239916 229880 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I was thinking you would carefully take photos of a city block or two that is on a hill, and some features on flat terrain nearby, then you could create a 3D model, and calculate a orthographic projection straight above from it, and use that to create the map
< 1427239938 556081 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch
< 1427239961 290587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If no Wi-Fi access points are in range, or your computer doesn't have Wi-Fi, it may resort to using your computer's IP address to get an approximate location." Well, it's not doing that. Unless Google's getting my ISP's subscriber information or something, which sounds unlikely.
< 1427239975 514161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should check in Javascript console what the JS geolocation API returns.
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< 1427240035 812578 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1427240057 438579 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I need to sleep
< 1427240059 642502 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night
< 1427240061 96251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Well, doing that in the JS console did pop up the "... wants to use your computer's location" box, so they're not using that.
< 1427240066 416962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to guess it's device-based, then.
< 1427240067 531820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night.
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< 1427243422 15831 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIA! *krssshhht* the cookies are home *khkhhhssshhh* over *rrkrhhshttt*
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< 1427260341 148347 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll have to get a dissertation out the door at once.
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< 1427261187 898573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :J_Arcane: I was disappointed to find out that Coq's trusted kernel core is much more code than I thought it was (30,000+ lines).
< 1427261209 959869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Agda is even less stable though.)
< 1427261218 374035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess HOL Light or Metamath or whatever are the only options if you want a core you can actually trust.)
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< 1427269111 138449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so is there only one ring over the rationals? <-- argh of course not
< 1427269117 193276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's not here
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< 1427269258 448000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey what about where a|b = 2*a*b <-- that is indeed a ring, but almost trivially so: \x -> 2*x is an isomorphism between that and the ordinary ring of rationals.
< 1427269258 486664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427269362 161150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey hm it may be that all nontrivial rings that share the same addition as the rationals have to be like that.
< 1427269362 279206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427269496 355981 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, of course not. the zero ring isn't like that, for one.
< 1427269524 330846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the only one, and me just the value of 2 = 0 :P
< 1427269543 69110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact that was the ring i tried to exclude with "nontrivial"
< 1427269551 869529 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1427269555 809739 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then... maybe
< 1427269564 908562 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wait
< 1427269571 846454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's fairly simply actually
< 1427269588 525811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm yeah, I guess
< 1427269605 315052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use the distributive law to show that n|x = n*(1|x)
< 1427269611 970556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for an integer
< 1427269630 980886 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the ring has a unit (but not necessarily 1 as the unit) then I think it has to be the same
< 1427269663 802212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a|b = (1|1)*a*b
< 1427269674 179918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what you end up with, i think
< 1427269815 473810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :q*((p/q)|a) = (p/1)|a = p*(1|a) by distributive law, so ((p/q)|a) = p/q*(1|a)
< 1427269829 377158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(p,q integers)
< 1427269987 275021 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can define an operation o(x,y) = log(e^x + e^y)
< 1427270020 845470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey for p,q integers, q*((p/q)|a) = (p/1)|a = p*(1|a) by splitting p and q into sums of 1 and using the distributive law, so ((p/q)|a) = p/q*(1|a), i.e. b|a = b*(1|a) and by mirror argument = b*a*(1|1)
< 1427270020 846420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427270047 528001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's not within the rationals
< 1427270060 815442 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no
< 1427270073 890357 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just thinking about the relation between addition and multiplication
< 1427270121 184889 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That operation with addition should form a ring over reals, I think
< 1427270123 86626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/me just the value/is the special case&
< 1427270131 401724 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, reals + negative infinity
< 1427270157 94707 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to adjoin the negative infinity as the identity element
< 1427270177 650169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because addition and multiplication aren't groups with the exact elements
< 1427270193 154431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so shifting must compensate
< 1427270212 16587 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually a mathematician
< 1427270249 741040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, f(x) = e^x is a monoid homomorphism from addition to multiplication
< 1427270262 191879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and of course it's also missing all the negative numbers
< 1427270373 325044 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, unless you go into the complex numbers
< 1427270406 925491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't get a ring but maybe a semiring
< 1427270419 168879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because o doesn't have inverses
< 1427270455 698032 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good point
< 1427270467 819989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :complexes doesn't really help, you get a multivalued mess
< 1427270602 607373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is, i*i*i*i = 1 or even just (-1)*(-1) = 1 means complex multiplication cannot be isomorphic to addition
< 1427270617 529762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the latter applies to reals too
< 1427270678 413233 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is x^(log(y)) = y^(log(x)) if x and y are positive?
< 1427270703 473734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm they're both e^(log(x)log(y))
< 1427270705 211371 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( no, of course not ... err, yes it is. )
< 1427270760 703732 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does exp(log(x)log(y)) have any useful properties if we restrict ourselves to positive reals?
< 1427270785 237675 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was my spontaneous reaction, followed by the same rewriting that oerjan demonstrated.)
< 1427270786 950880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, then it _is_ isomorphic to ordinary addition on all the reals
< 1427270795 462852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1427270817 1480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is having trouble keeping the directions straight in his head
< 1427270850 369236 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplication on the positive reals is isomorphic to addition on the reals
< 1427270859 925586 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1427270881 255446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: what you wrote is "obviously" isomorphic to _multiplication_ on all the reals
< 1427270948 895044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it's a ring together with ordinary multiplication on the positive reals, by int-e's comment
< 1427270957 706834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact a field)
< 1427271020 742330 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. We're solving "If addition were ordinary multiplication on the positive reals, what would multiplication look like?"
< 1427271047 151842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE
< 1427271057 776769 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just trying to clarify by confusion.
< 1427271061 869845 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the inverse?
< 1427271079 273659 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It rarely works, but it's often a lot of fun.)
< 1427271100 347488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: exp(1/log(x)) i assume
< 1427271139 907470 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yeah, that would fit the bill
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< 1427271379 41834 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me that in a first year course I once proved that f(x,y) = (x + y) / (1 - x y) (on R + { oo })) is a group operation by pointing out the homomorphism to R / 2piZ... that wasn't the expected solution :P
< 1427271426 646944 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, R / (piZ) of course.
< 1427271438 315766 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not write inf rather than oo?
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< 1427271454 390949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get credit
< 1427271456 514217 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because oo is cuter.
< 1427271480 95844 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ∞
< 1427271508 738033 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, together with a comment along the lines of "that's a nifty solution but you need a lot more theory to show that property of arctan than is required for solving this problem."
< 1427271528 970311 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ∞ is ugly here.
< 1427271538 496234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh arctan right
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< 1427271582 505155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you know arctanh gives a homomorphism between ordinary addition and the special relativistic velocity addition formula?
< 1427271610 320726 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's rather cool
< 1427271614 339836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that formula is the same as your, except with + instead of -
< 1427271618 811109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yours
< 1427271644 955744 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I knew the latter, but not the velocity addition formula.
< 1427271690 676735 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I may have seen it, but then it would've been obscured by some extra speeds of light (c))
< 1427271698 137708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well naturally
< 1427271742 166110 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something involving 1/(1 - v^2/c^2)
< 1427271759 426970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ not -, i say
< 1427271759 709817 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1427271765 299682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you edirc
< 1427271775 110678 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/HnoU7WuO
< 1427271785 694021 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :verbose burlesque :D
< 1427271811 732183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit more bots and we _all_ need to add the HackEgo zero-width space
< 1427272002 16028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a Basic/Pascal/Forth hybrid
< 1427272039 935373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it like rings 3 different nostalgia bells
< 1427272155 924136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gives me the feeling i'm missing more
< 1427272183 58611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially that D5.0 D-1.1+(5(+:@ line
< 1427272188 826992 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to be a nostalgia hybrid yes
< 1427272197 63265 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Line 18 must be an ed reference.
< 1427272216 367905 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/OASg3VqQ <- that's MATH.LIB btw
< 1427272220 479235 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much in there yet though :)
< 1427272724 888328 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taworvor14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42182&oldid=40160 5* 03160.85.232.153 5* (-423) 10
< 1427272830 992530 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taworvor14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42183&oldid=42182 5* 03160.85.232.153 5* (+320) 10/* Example */
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< 1427274929 419108 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: D is just the prefix for doubles.
< 1427274935 697336 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is required :)
< 1427274962 276802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1427275069 846007 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I need to get that bot I was writing in Agda working
< 1427275074 253170 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is addition, or concat for lists.
< 1427275074 518847 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1427275081 577307 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :( takes an element and puts it into a list
< 1427275081 745984 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+help
< 1427275081 991679 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1427275082 309588 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such variable takes
< 1427275088 908581 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1427275094 523756 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :: is revrse for list
< 1427275100 73668 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and @ is print
< 1427275145 492680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,p
< 1427275145 695833 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :lighter
< 1427275158 248142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+c
< 1427275164 270405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,p
< 1427275168 978616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+.
< 1427275176 186705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1427275179 741184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,p
< 1427275179 979698 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :,p
< 1427275194 705311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+%d
< 1427275197 735937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,p
< 1427275197 854655 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1427275203 324862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+i
< 1427275206 712030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavier
< 1427275207 488871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1427275208 770138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,p
< 1427275223 629689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+%p
< 1427275228 902768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1p
< 1427275237 407562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh
< 1427275238 967159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+.
< 1427275242 65206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+%d
< 1427275243 639843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+i
< 1427275246 563494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+heavier
< 1427275248 22125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+.
< 1427275250 335699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+%p
< 1427275250 563072 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavier
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< 1427275877 957109 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this time not that many builtin as burlesque ;)
< 1427275895 409465 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I want people to be able to write interpreters/compilers for it :)
< 1427275907 120452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: looks like gil is finally showing up
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< 1427276630 345546 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants to hear a useless fact?
< 1427276645 499657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1427276685 528428 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 8 different pedestrian bridges in the British Isles called the Millennium Bridge
< 1427276749 662363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly that's because of too many overlapping timelines
< 1427276762 913498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggesting calling a Doctor
< 1427277514 704790 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Taworvor14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42184&oldid=42183 5* 03160.85.232.153 5* (+114) 10/* Language Reference */ + draft.
< 1427277545 346420 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.
< 1427277552 923695 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :started working on the ESOSC draft for it :D
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< 1427278565 682896 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, nortti: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Taworvor#Language_Reference
< 1427278569 908437 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hurry though :)
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< 1427284553 574152 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42185 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+6129) 10Rough tutorial and example code for the Programming Language "Duck Duck Goose"
< 1427284597 302341 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: what is the meaning of nss? afaiu it is one char that is not ^, then whiespace?
< 1427284667 843786 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42186&oldid=42170 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+22) 10/* D */
< 1427284841 167937 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: True.
< 1427284844 284549 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an error.
< 1427284890 937187 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42187&oldid=42185 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+302) 10
< 1427284897 569841 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that should've been nss = { n }, ss;
< 1427284927 128833 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even just { n }
< 1427284961 679298 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42188&oldid=42187 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+11) 10
< 1427284990 122613 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1427284994 422358 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nss = n, { n }, ss;
< 1427285010 753975 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the ss can be dropped
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< 1427285013 944271 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n includes spaces anyway
< 1427285298 391754 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42189&oldid=42188 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+40) 10Included credit where it's due
< 1427285311 821167 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: give me my messages
< 1427285466 555707 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/FMNSSun/Taworvor/blob/master/TESTS.PROG should cover pretty much everything now.
< 1427285470 73761 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I/O stuff.
< 1427285481 324403 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42190&oldid=42189 5* 0391.231.90.102 5* (+7) 10He wants me to put his surname on
< 1427285569 869860 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: nss should eat everything between e.g. ^DESC and ^IS
< 1427285577 212694 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ^DESC(.*)^
< 1427285582 560139 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1427285595 882231 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan so there's more than one ring over the rationals; that's what i suspected/all i wanted to know. thanks.
< 1427285596 232993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427285601 774481 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nss = n, { n }; should do that
< 1427285647 642542 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think we could go with nss = { n } even
< 1427285657 723873 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes no sense to force one character DESCs :D
< 1427285734 225378 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :k. pushed with nss = { n};
< 1427285977 988983 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` { echo 'elliott ' ; printf '%s\n' {a..z} ; } > random_elliott; shuf --random-source /dev/zero random_elliott | tr -d '\n'
< 1427285979 119169 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
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< 1427286466 133120 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan in your monad-over-finite-lists, is that "finite and fixed length" or "finite but unbounded length"? because if the latter, that would count, in strict/eager functional programming (I don't see why not anyway)
< 1427286466 462660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427286607 810744 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how "proof that there is only one (or none) possible algebraic structure y of Y over set X" proofs generally go, if it all. quantifying over operations, nasty business
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< 1427287655 536838 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when X is infinite. if X is finite, you can probably enumerate the possibilities. e.g. the boolean ring, I wouldn't be surprised if it was unique
< 1427287694 821477 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it and a topsy-turvy dual of it where true is false and false is true
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< 1427291205 879072 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok n/m "the boolean ring", doesn't mean what i thought it meant. instead, "the possible rings over the set {0, 1}".
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< 1427292661 123493 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, does the ring's 0 have to be 0?
< 1427292858 520414 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ring's 0 has to satisfy 0*x = 0 and 0+x = x, for all x, i believe. (i guess "be zero" is kind of a fuzzy way of saying just that :)
< 1427292902 205534 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, does it have to be the one you have assigned the symbol "0" to when defining the set {0,1}?
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< 1427293553 81834 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no. this would apply equally to any two-element set.
< 1427293561 278940 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :)
< 1427294142 597743 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :searching for "ring with two elements" gets lots of hits saying "all rings with two elements are isomorphic" and "there is one ring with two elements" (in which i imagine is implied "up to isomorphism")
< 1427294177 510319 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have yet to see anything saying "every set with 2 elements has exactly two rings"
< 1427294205 985506 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ring theorists don't care about the concrete bits. they care about the isomorphisms
< 1427294488 150814 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :this whole thing may encourage me to learn to use quickcheck
< 1427294498 973886 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a way to search for counterexamples
< 1427295402 143730 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:JSFuck14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42191 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+41) 10Created page with "new Array().filter(callbackfn[, thisArg])"
< 1427295454 226093 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course, because the concrete bits are boring
< 1427295458 143592 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw http://mroman.ch/burlesque/lref.html is back online.
< 1427295482 330482 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you take the symmetry group of the set, mod out by the automorphisms of the ring, and then you get all the different rings on the set
< 1427295693 665091 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple like monoids
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< 1427296085 111102 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchs: https://github.com/FMNSSun/Burlesque
< 1427296165 799933 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I can see 47 new built-ins that were added (but are not yet on anagol) and are utterly not documented at all
< 1427296236 511046 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1427296312 744546 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/FMNSSun/Burlesque/blob/master/Burlesque/Eval.hs#L532
< 1427296317 975975 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :built-ins after L532 are new
< 1427296330 812529 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not documented, not on anagol.
< 1427296414 236010 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyi i have a few more ones that i want to work on in whitespace, and after that i'll try to get better at burlesque
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< 1427296436 570407 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk how i'll do with it, there are a lot of built ins and i'm only superficially familiar with haskell
< 1427296455 214593 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... :)
< 1427296490 767774 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: my greater point with all this (if you care) is that the concrete bits are boring to mathematicians (as they should be) but not to programmers (who, alas, must get their hands dirty)
< 1427296537 469544 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair
< 1427296913 380191 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: also, I'm interested to know if "the list monad" means "the usual list monad" or "the unique list monad" -- in case you care about that
< 1427296943 114461 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have yet to see examples of other list monads; I have yet to see a proof that there are no others
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< 1427301317 267949 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this new paper about in-memory vs. disk
< 1427301320 861259 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1427301339 541764 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using += to concat strings in Java is stupid as hell from the start.
< 1427301413 627190 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does it have to do with computing?
< 1427301637 243339 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1427301638 977062 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flushing
< 1427301651 744172 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not block until all data is written out, does it?
< 1427301662 738887 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it just means "well... the OS has it now"
< 1427301669 920925 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean that it's on disk actually just yet.
< 1427301819 639691 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.. if the computation is concatenation
< 1427301827 98960 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then to get the result you'd have to read it back into memory?
< 1427301844 323222 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably works faster because what you just have written out is still in some memory buffer so the disk isn't even actually used?
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< 1427301893 682131 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that you just want it to have concatenated on file then yes, probably just writing it has less overhead than concating it in memory first
< 1427301911 966072 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... if you write every piece immediately to file you'll probably have a better memory footprint as well.
< 1427302020 7578 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... essentially it means that doing a shitload of memcpy because you have to realloc and memcpy all the time because strings are imutable I guess isn't very fast anyway
< 1427302045 88436 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the same benchmark with linked strings!
< 1427302058 978295 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's a stupid benchmark.
< 1427302094 22739 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :flushing... need not block until all data is written out afaiu; that's fsync's job, isn't it?
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< 1427302182 631741 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought flush just means that you flushed your "internal buffer" and have given all the data to the OS somehow
< 1427302190 482654 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might still be in a write buffer of the OS
< 1427302209 305247 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We also see that immutable strings are not inherently a problem, as evidenced by Python’s much better performance with the modified code.
< 1427302212 800860 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1427302214 279492 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- that's just plain bullshit?
< 1427302226 989344 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note that fflush() only flushes the user-space buffers provided by the C library. To ensure that the data is
< 1427302227 807006 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to do concatenation then immutable strings ARE the problem.
< 1427302229 971331 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric : physically stored on disk the kernel buffers must be flushed too, for example, with sync(2) or fsync(2).
< 1427302236 236262 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse the indent, but, yeah
< 1427302250 898086 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from `man fflush`)
< 1427302280 246139 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Java performance numbers did not change when the concatenation order was reversed in the code in Appendix 1. However, using a mutable data type such as StringBuilder or StringBuffer dramatically improved the results."
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< 1427302297 102387 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty obvious.
< 1427302297 954415 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1427302304 120728 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what StringBuilders are for :D
< 1427302316 307237 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Did you read the paper?
< 1427302324 145342 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :a paper that says that immutable strings are not the problem, then describes improvement when using mutable strings ok
< 1427302331 620899 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i don't even know what this is
< 1427302334 921076 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do string concatenation and measure how long it takes
< 1427302337 542143 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure i want to know, frankly
< 1427302345 499725 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then instead of string concatenation they just write it to file
< 1427302346 524792 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1427302347 504127 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm
< 1427302353 823861 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop: string += someData
< 1427302354 682514 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs
< 1427302361 692955 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop: fwrite(fhandle, someData)
< 1427302376 237171 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic, let's abuse the file buffers as string buffers
< 1427302383 417803 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just do repeated string concatenations
< 1427302395 899009 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: they don't read the file back anyway
< 1427302407 428457 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: where did you find this thing?
< 1427302410 742206 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paper, i mean
< 1427302421 973545 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1503/1503.02678.pdf
< 1427302442 120607 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :arxiv gonna arxiv
< 1427302448 206346 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no IT expert
< 1427302457 125108 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I call TOTAL ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT on this paper.
< 1427302501 204954 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you know what they *don't* say... "Publish non-bullshit or perish."
< 1427302586 532691 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was linked on slashdot
< 1427302592 251415 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the comments there pretty much support my view :D
< 1427302663 986093 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was written by a biology guy?
< 1427302666 850517 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1427302708 189902 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In this paper we use code inspired by real, production software" yeah right...
< 1427302716 670608 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"naive string concatenation is a quadratic time operation"
< 1427302761 578688 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1427302766 311153 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many details missing
< 1427302774 414928 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what type of RAM, what type of Disk was used
< 1427302780 335009 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what processor
< 1427302801 681456 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Java 8 was used to compile the test code
< 1427302803 366194 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1427302806 543561 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java 8 can compile things?
< 1427302889 555562 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the examples of inefficient code that inspired this paper, and we suspect is many other similar cases, the developers have done what they have been trained to do, carefully reducing disk access, but the approach is obviously failing."
< 1427302912 529155 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1427302912 753244 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: It doesn't matter. An O(n^2) algorithm will be slower than an O(n) one if you pick n large enough.
< 1427302927 231086 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But from that perspective, you can condens the "paper" into one paragraph.
< 1427302932 438393 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*condense
< 1427302941 42895 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell does this have to do with web applications o_O
< 1427302953 221178 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427302955 912405 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to write to a temp file and then read it for string concatenation o_O
< 1427302959 425754 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1427302967 733870 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably won't even spin up the disk due to buffers
< 1427302969 15001 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...
< 1427302973 704630 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still
< 1427302983 598486 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot, assembling strings by concatenating small parts is *very* common.
< 1427303021 436690 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And streaming helps to relieve some memory pressure (now there would be another paragraph for the "paper", but they do not touch upon that part of the problem).
< 1427303047 546971 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :small string concat is indeed very common yes
< 1427303057 952152 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since you need to deliver the "end result" to the client
< 1427303068 759823 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't get me wrong, it's an awful paper all around. It's overselling a trivial problem and to top it off, it's drawing the wrong conclusions.
< 1427303074 747689 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1427303080 180552 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :php already does streaming anyway?
< 1427303082 15129 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. slashdot still exists?
< 1427303083 207765 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1427303101 908224 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course just writing to a network socket is probably better than concating it in memory and then write it to the socket
< 1427303122 964638 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially using immutable strings
< 1427303138 489335 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't even get to that point
< 1427303167 174362 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but but StringBuilder
< 1427303180 566741 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like the java architects haven't thought about this problem
< 1427303205 320876 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr i share your facepalm mroman
< 1427303226 388489 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we all agree on that.
< 1427303298 592305 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1427303299 719210 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm just defending the point that the observed problem is real.)
< 1427303301 855405 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems php doesn't do streaming?
< 1427303319 472103 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's ob_flush at least hm.
< 1427303325 272104 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know PHP at all)
< 1427303356 143941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why do you want to use a StringBuilder? Strings in php are mutable. Therefore performance is not an issue." - because mutability solves all performance issues!
< 1427303440 129075 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :php has mutable strings?
< 1427303686 804694 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You sound surprised, don't youb know that PHP implements all bad ideas found in other programming languages ;)
< 1427303865 389954 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1427303873 248220 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised you can publish something like this :)
< 1427303915 296819 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what I know about PHP is that uhm...
< 1427303920 885127 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has these weird things like register_globals?
< 1427303923 190959 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic_quotes
< 1427303924 35986 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1427303958 732190 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think works like that that it automatically manipulates the input from the user
< 1427303973 379841 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't get the actual user input
< 1427303987 556231 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in php, == isn't transitive
< 1427303988 413345 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then doing some string concat for buildin an SQL query
< 1427303989 723950 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. They're using concatString = addString + concatString .......
< 1427304002 631719 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: of course!
< 1427304013 671237 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to check if a = a + b is faster than a = b + a or not
< 1427304018 154644 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then their "disk writing" code is not even equivalent.
< 1427304022 684062 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: well, it is!
< 1427304024 625736 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. false == 0 && 0 == "0" && false != "0"
< 1427304044 243917 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like javascript
< 1427304046 298303 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=,==,===
< 1427304052 270873 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My newest esolang will have ====
< 1427304062 896746 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great!
< 1427304066 278211 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1427304071 564482 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0" == 0 will be true
< 1427304080 143035 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because == tries some automatic conversions
< 1427304088 134776 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0" === 0 will be false because not same type
< 1427304093 756649 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 === 0 is obviously true
< 1427304100 460910 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but!!!
< 1427304111 634169 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$a = 0; $b = 0; $a === $b; will be true
< 1427304118 165157 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, $a ==== $b; won't
< 1427304129 695400 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :more equal signs should mean that it tries harder to make things equal, so that e.g. 0 ================== 1
< 1427304137 672828 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ==== checks if both are the same variables!
< 1427304138 642816 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1427304143 169357 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$a ==== $a is in fact true
< 1427304144 551316 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: how is thaz any useful?
< 1427304150 728421 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but $a ==== $b is not
< 1427304161 777722 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: well it's probably useful when call by reference is used?
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< 1427304164 822512 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uhm
< 1427304172 501077 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :func foo($a, $b) { return $a ==== $b; }
< 1427304188 310036 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo($a, $a); will be true but foo($a, $b); won't?
< 1427304203 701969 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in foo they are different variable
< 1427304209 859772 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1427304213 430210 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the same reference!
< 1427304220 252831 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ==== would essentially compare references
< 1427304242 908363 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like java's == does
< 1427304264 54707 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about using = as a unary symbol and making prime numbers variables
< 1427304285 937282 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and!
< 1427304287 948787 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=====
< 1427304297 613227 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ======7 would set the var 5 to the value 7
< 1427304299 682626 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only compares constants
< 1427304330 56400 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or literals
< 1427304330 772181 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1427304341 497453 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=======7 would compare var 5 with value 7
< 1427304355 457563 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 ==== 5 would probably not be true since it's probably treated as new Integer(5) == new Integer(5)?
< 1427304363 198309 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1427304366 672418 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1427304368 510008 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going home.
< 1427304437 268307 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do NOT try to reason about PHP.
< 1427304446 309587 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just, NO.
< 1427304552 535378 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :next you'll tell us not to do surgery with a tea spoon
< 1427305914 155306 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only trying to save your souls
< 1427305991 333848 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427307430 359957 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427307982 368749 :vodkode_!~vodkode@fl-71-49-12-57.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427309014 241041 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1427309810 611618 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :php is basically built so that copypaste programs can work
< 1427310180 237833 :qlkzy!~qlkzy@li559-28.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1427311321 819216 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LOWI
< 1427311322 712278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 251850Z VRB02KT 9999 FEW050 SCT065 BKN080 11/04 Q1001 NOSIG
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< 1427311340 528906 :Guest90077!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
< 1427311383 966499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I was about to ask what the intended purpose of random_elliott was
< 1427311391 267677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was very confusing thanks to just having woken up
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< 1427311830 830993 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1427311835 770618 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to confuse you
< 1427312072 399375 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said that with the right random source you could use shuf just like cat
< 1427312112 555449 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :` echo 123 | sort | shuf | cat | tac
< 1427312113 630671 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1427312115 187407 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo 123 | sort | shuf | cat | tac
< 1427312116 277390 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :123
< 1427312311 945893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: yeah, I realised that pretty quickly, hehe
< 1427312327 326819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I was just like "is this a command to print random letters at me? what is this for? why me? help?"
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< 1427313262 940129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-
< 1427313262 940820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey said 7h 41m 6s ago: so there's more than one ring over the rationals; that's what i suspected/all i wanted to know. thanks.
< 1427313263 108279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey said 7h 26m 36s ago: in your monad-over-finite-lists, is that "finite and fixed length" or "finite but unbounded length"? because if the latter, that would count, in strict/eager functional programming (I don't see why not anyway)
< 1427313300 577982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey finite but unbounded length, is the intention.
< 1427313300 679861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427313551 318394 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427313916 766673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you sure it's a monad btw?
< 1427313920 825670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a bad history with monads on [] :P
< 1427313926 212579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1427313963 511663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is a monad but who is ever sure.
< 1427313976 171443 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, I wonder when Cheyenne will get around to coloring the March 4th and 13th comics...
< 1427314005 537529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first monad law is obviously true by construction. the second is nearly obvious.
< 1427314032 13557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third needs a bit of thinking, but i think it is true.
< 1427314143 775375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let dbind [x] f = f x; dbind l f | all ((==1).length) l' = concat l' where l' = map f l
< 1427314147 283168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1427314238 444736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x f g -> (((x::[Int]) `dbind` f :: [Int]) `dbind` g :: [Int]) == x `dbind` \t -> f t `dbind` g
< 1427314240 241815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : *** Failed! (after 3 tests and 4 shrinks):
< 1427314240 242519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Exception: L.hs:(157,1)-(159,20): Non-exhaustive patterns in function dbind ...
< 1427314248 511373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1427314254 782910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @undef
< 1427314275 935141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undef
< 1427314276 17 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined.
< 1427314279 828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let dbind [x] f = f x; dbind l f | all ((==1).length) l' = concat l' | otherwise = [] where l' = map f l
< 1427314282 633817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1427314286 544641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x f g -> (((x::[Int]) `dbind` f :: [Int]) `dbind` g :: [Int]) == x `dbind` \t -> f t `dbind` g
< 1427314288 186889 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
< 1427314294 19097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good
< 1427314342 572291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if it's not done already it'll probably be "whenever" up until actual printed version
< 1427314422 622460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x -> ((x::[Int]) `dbind` return) == x
< 1427314424 274343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
< 1427314501 983127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey Checked my monad with @check hth
< 1427314502 22274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1427314835 639792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is it getting 7.10 now?
< 1427314842 835016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1427314862 966828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1427314866 402305 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm waiting for the official release.
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< 1427315083 958070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm, do you maintain lambdabot now?
< 1427315086 306286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source code
< 1427315096 116426 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly?
< 1427315102 542997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1427315179 280899 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@version
< 1427315179 473798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot 5.0.1
< 1427315179 474573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :git clone https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot
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< 1427319587 344129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42192&oldid=42190 5* 0381.102.250.85 5* (+67) 10inspiration
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< 1427319916 393172 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there?
< 1427319934 621198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. hi
< 1427319960 766521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm here, but not elliott (as opposed to elliott, who is elliott but not here)
< 1427319974 10523 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if this exists or not... Something like vnc that uses the GPU on the server to render and then compresses the data for reasonable transfer speed, the one you mentioned the other day didn't do OpenGL stuff did it?
< 1427319989 423289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xpra
< 1427319996 224960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it does OpenGL?
< 1427320000 376921 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah nice
< 1427320003 720762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. it's good, anyway.
< 1427320005 982426 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then this might be salvagble
< 1427320007 994392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that, you'd /expect/ it to use OpenGL
< 1427320015 505433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also adjust it to use lossless compression or lossy H.264 or whatever
< 1427320017 791551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty flexible
< 1427320026 406168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does rootless too
< 1427320029 808095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really nice
< 1427320035 226401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't, like, watch youtube videos with it, though.
< 1427320039 533294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how many servers have working DirectX, and there currently are no other graphics APIs that are nearly as popular
< 1427320053 431785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well youtube is sending H.264 or WebM anyway
< 1427320067 642290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so decoding and re-encoding the video could only make things worse
< 1427320082 58691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I want it to reasonably be able to run a program using OpenGL, the client I'm connecting from has old old intel graphics
< 1427320095 877313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The desktop I want to remote to has a reasonable AMD GPU
< 1427320155 630087 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I want to use some programs that are GPU heavy (as in GPGPU with OpenCL + OpenGL visualization)
< 1427320207 58761 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it appears debian has a super old xpra version
< 1427320208 105085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wlel
< 1427320209 429108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well*
< 1427320220 200316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, there is a backports
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< 1427320239 565467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is newer than the version I want to connect from, on an ubuntu laptop
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< 1427320688 934920 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42193&oldid=42192 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+407) 10Moved the Tutorial/List_of_Instructions to a table
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< 1427320785 234678 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42194&oldid=42193 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (-82) 10Fixed 10 Ducks (Loop Ends)
< 1427320843 663491 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42195&oldid=42194 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+0) 10Put a Y in the 10 Ducks row where N should have been.
< 1427321009 827938 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah that didn't work, time to try to find compatible versions
< 1427321039 576109 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42196&oldid=42195 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+0) 10
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< 1427321096 107945 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep, once you install exactly the same version on both sides, it works
< 1427321109 372036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of xpra? yeah
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< 1427321469 746439 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42197&oldid=42196 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+317) 10More Clear Sections
< 1427321475 767545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ glxgears
< 1427321475 769754 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
< 1427321475 897479 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Major opcode of failed request: 135 (GLX)
< 1427321475 898274 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Minor opcode of failed request: 19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)
< 1427321475 898322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Serial number of failed request: 12
< 1427321476 697666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Current serial number in output stream: 12
< 1427321478 741818 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, crap
< 1427321492 713195 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works fine for none opengl stuff though
< 1427321496 523138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can use VNC?
< 1427321507 854464 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :x11vnc might be worth a try
< 1427321511 612459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I enable OpenGL or other X11 extensions on the server?
< 1427321511 613576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please see Xdummy, for acceleration see virtualgl
< 1427321516 485878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1427321518 125428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.xpra.org/trac/wiki/Xdummy http://www.virtualgl.org/
< 1427321522 889452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look into that
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< 1427321543 196304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best way to deal with this is to use VirtualGL to take advantage of the OpenGL acceleration provided by the graphics card, just run: vglrun yourapplication.
< 1427321580 903321 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42198&oldid=42197 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+62) 10
< 1427321581 138887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as long as it is the server that is doing the rendering I'm happy
< 1427321582 231526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.virtualgl.org/About/Introduction yeah
< 1427321584 502375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks like what you want
< 1427321604 249917 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because the client can't do opengl for shit. It is a core 2 duo and intel graphics
< 1427321671 590285 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Vriskanon14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42199 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+134) 10Who is Vriskanon
< 1427321712 129194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, need to build it, doesn't appear to be packaged... And yeah
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< 1427322342 375686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell int-e it seems like the fix to Typeable introduced the new bug that is currently holding up ghc :P https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/ghc-devs/2015-March/008570.html
< 1427322342 540023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427322458 616810 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not surprised
< 1427322548 134766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's also a haddock problem. and spj just went on vacation.
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< 1427323043 111549 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm I can't get virtualgl to work inside xpra, though it does work natively on the machine
< 1427323062 179685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe run it outside
< 1427323065 208107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like virtualgl xpra ...
< 1427323066 103524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh maybe not
< 1427323067 15087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like
< 1427323072 552694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtualgl xpra-server-i-forget-how-you-start-it ...
< 1427323079 190234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or xpra --xpra-server-thing=virtualgl blahhh idk
< 1427323081 119787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"something like that"
< 1427323086 414693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you google xpra virtualgl there's probably something
< 1427323106 92159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.xpra.org/trac/ticket/320
< 1427323135 342622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.xpra.org/trac/wiki/Xdummy might help too
< 1427323264 69305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read both of those already :/
< 1427323288 562938 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Proprietary drivers often install their own copy of libGL which conflicts with the use of software GL rendering. You cannot use this GL library to render directly on Xdummy (or Xvfb).
< 1427323288 692607 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best way to deal with this is to use VirtualGL to take advantage of the OpenGL acceleration provided by the graphics card, just run: vglrun yourapplication."
< 1427323301 781603 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former is the case, but the latter should deal with this I thought?
< 1427323312 814647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, how are you actually doing it
< 1427323316 819860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like where are you putting vglrun
< 1427323348 750270 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an xterm opened over xpra I'm trying to run vglrun glxgears (as a test)
< 1427323363 33133 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure that getting glxgears to work should be the most basic step
< 1427323372 717070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, idk. can't really debug from "doesn't work"
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< 1427323377 766068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe you need to do the "+extension GLX +extension RANDR +extension RENDER" thing
< 1427323380 682439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that wiki page
< 1427323426 796397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :xvfb=Xorg -dpi 96 -noreset -nolisten tcp +extension GLX +extension RANDR +extension RENDER -logfile ${HOME}/.xpra/Xorg.${DISPLAY}.log -config /etc/xpra/xorg.conf
< 1427323432 501489 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is already there, checked that
< 1427323438 5545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the default setup
< 1427323453 724874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, you haven't even told me the error or anything :p I'm no expert though
< 1427323456 728907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just dig in logs and stuff
< 1427323457 935317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try random things
< 1427323474 243250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try vglrun wrapping different things
< 1427323491 629795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah tried glxinfo too, no luck
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< 1427323497 565951 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, bug 320 does seem a bit more relevant
< 1427323513 243735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It mentions fglrx issues...
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< 1427323698 508173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, might be worth trying something like turbovnc + virtualgl though
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< 1427323936 346958 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: #10176 is the bug (hmm, and the fix doesn't touch any of the code that was changed by the Typeable patch, isn't that fun.) I hear (on #ghc) that Austin is struggling with the haddock thing.
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< 1427324123 486406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1427324287 985201 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning
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< 1427325097 478126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you created any RDF namespaces or any XML namespaces or any UUIDs?
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< 1427326705 670175 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uuidgen
< 1427326707 259938 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: uuidgen: not found
< 1427326743 616367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/uuid
< 1427326744 687776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a8ce6013-1813-47c6-9f42-56be50696a28
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< 1427326765 401797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what you were looking for? it's a kernelspace utility nowadays, not userspace, for some reason
< 1427326786 647710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it kernelspace utility now?
< 1427326807 164421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1427326820 950632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote my own version 1 UUID generator, but I want to know if you have used UUID you make up by yourself
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< 1427327610 540658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5873099/is-proc-sys-kernel-random-uuid-strong-keying-material
< 1427327621 476912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm
< 1427327627 70769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so it's not one of the bad UUID formats
< 1427327635 149410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, people are /seeding/ with that? :-)
< 1427327640 242843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I don't think uuidgen stopped existing or anything...
< 1427327696 729993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, if you're seeding, use /dev/random or /dev/urandom depending on why you're seeding
< 1427327701 5916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bit weird that the UUID logic is in kernelspace but I guess it's trivial enough
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< 1427327702 407727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they're /for/
< 1427327705 861838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like /dev/urandom really
< 1427327711 957314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bu with formatting crap on top of it
< 1427327723 599614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/urandom is kernelspace for a good reason, though
< 1427327731 580309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's possible to implement in userspace
< 1427327737 202675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
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< 1427327743 892194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the reason that /dev/random might have zero entropy the first time you try to access urandom1)
< 1427327746 430987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*urandom(1)
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< 1427327900 871547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should probably change aimake's GUID generation to use version 3 or 5 GUIDs
< 1427327937 976161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because atm it's basically just using a truncated hash as the entire GUID, relying on the chance of collisions being basically 0 for uniqueness
< 1427328079 600728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd better do that before NH4 is released
< 1427328590 914799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUID4 is the only one people actually use, I think...
< 1427328609 656883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what 3 and 5 are, though.
< 1427328624 387537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's a "GUID4" unless you're using (pseudo)random bits, though.
< 1427328630 891843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, a hash is like a PRNG with a very bad seed, or something.)
< 1427329795 183662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 3 and 5 are the hash-based ones
< 1427329802 853622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1427329814 249532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MD5 and SHA1 respectively
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< 1427329838 548295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1427329841 285995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not great
< 1427329853 105714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1427329872 222083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use MD5 because it was the only hashing algorithm that worked with the oldest Perl version I supported
< 1427329884 725870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end, I decided that that was just too awful, and dropped support for that version
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< 1427332356 355028 :goofygoobers!add1d3ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1427332370 285217 :goofygoobers!add1d3ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hello
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< 1427333656 678699 :goofygoobers!add1d3ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Lymia
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< 1427335030 861177 :goofygoobers!add1d3ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tritonio: Hi
< 1427335102 268273 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi goofygoobers
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< 1427336886 44092 :goofygoobers!add1d3ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.209.211.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI
< 1427337422 727688 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOFY GOOBERS
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< 1427352842 373506 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42200&oldid=42198 5* 0381.102.250.85 5* (+112) 10/* Duck Inputs */ Loop Ends
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< 1427357989 19919 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42201&oldid=42200 5* 0391.231.90.102 5* (+0) 10/* How To Use */ Fixed /n.
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< 1427359417 68490 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck duck goose
< 1427360437 698847 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this religious freedom bill?
< 1427360442 171014 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to find the full text.
< 1427360768 54891 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. Senate Bill 101
< 1427360769 14060 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it.
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< 1427370198 359141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitty network :(
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< 1427370975 453344 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you like murder mysteries?
< 1427370975 793216 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas_: no, i mean
< 1427370980 710531 :b_jonas_!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu NICK :b_jonas
< 1427371110 262245 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is back?
< 1427371110 484731 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: does the small print is meant to make liftm f x a _function_. you can't.
< 1427371143 235277 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1427371143 356502 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
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< 1427375396 93981 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that other language beside rust?
< 1427375737 926758 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm i'll learn Rust next.
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< 1427377568 266706 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Nim
< 1427377570 426047 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
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< 1427377861 955120 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1427377862 681731 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1427377954 824076 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can you tell me about the conditional branch prediction and branch target prediction in modern CPUs?
< 1427377955 78439 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: does formal semantics really matter?
< 1427377981 235131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, it certainly does in this channel, for we want to abuse it
< 1427377981 610111 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: to make it reality =d can you write anywhere?'
< 1427377984 682737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I could easily interpret that line as being from someone other than fungot
< 1427377984 956374 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is scan and are they the same? http://list.cs.brown.edu/ pipermail/ gambit-list/ 2006-january/ 000540.html how'd you go about implementing an object system
< 1427378000 276563 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, he does steal lines of others
< 1427378002 238101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: do you consider Pure BF an abuse of formal semantics?
< 1427378032 752937 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, dunno
< 1427378094 620403 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I know what I wanted to ask you
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< 1427380625 18958 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Secretary14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42207&oldid=40984 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+8) 10Fixed Wingpad
< 1427381248 606447 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42208&oldid=42186 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+11) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ Added TillDeath
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< 1427381428 712590 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Huh?14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42210&oldid=32607 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+0) 10Fixed Name
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< 1427383112 595028 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How you been?
< 1427383112 806504 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i just got up for a while before i can get away with optimizing whole programs to nothing.
< 1427383155 240862 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: to nothing?
< 1427383155 623910 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: it can generate fortran code in any language other than english? dictionary doesn't know it! bwhaha! i'm just too fnord about it when scheme48 1.0 is in much more subtle.
< 1427383175 189766 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'm so in subtle myself.
< 1427383175 322241 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: a preprocessor for logic programming in haskell
< 1427383205 950226 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You should learn prolog.
< 1427383206 192664 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i'm workin' on it and i rewrite it for you? it tends to restart itself, and i'd like it
< 1427383222 687629 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee thanks. But you don't need to rewrite Prolog just for me <3
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< 1427386258 941546 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oerjan
< 1427386259 489884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1427386279 393739 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too bad, there should really be an oerjan command
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< 1427389588 515265 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the incantation to have ls show the size of a directory properly
< 1427389631 790880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you mean by "properly"
< 1427389647 668762 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the total size of all files inside it, plus it
< 1427389675 882966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls can't do that because the information isn't stored anywhere, it has to be calculated and that's really timeconsuming
< 1427389680 868718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program you probably want is called du
< 1427389694 884887 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it, windows shows that information
< 1427389702 169670 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaa
< 1427389718 595800 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does du also ahow size of fiels
< 1427389722 494995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: Windows shows it in the GUI but takes a while to calculate it; I don't think dir (the equivalent of ls) shows it
< 1427389733 58300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use "du -a" to show size of files too
< 1427389746 942270 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's scary what crazy dangerous and complicated hooks some people in informatics will try to jump through for 20% performance increases
< 1427389750 3670 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows shows it growing in the UI, with no indication of how far it's gotten yet, which is bad UX imo
< 1427389753 550463 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu does this too
< 1427389762 683358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you might want to use "--apparent-size" if you care about the size of the files themselves, rather than the amount of disk they use u
< 1427389764 537119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*up
< 1427389767 148055 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :because copying Windows is always a great idea
< 1427389773 586151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "-h" or "--si" to get the answer in sensible units
< 1427389780 204879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's probably the lazy impl
< 1427389873 237308 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the incantation is "du -sh --apparent-size".
< 1427389902 163862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on what it is you're trying to calculate, perhaps
< 1427389911 403519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has options because people don't always use it for the same purpose
< 1427389917 62141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, when I want to know the total size of a directory
< 1427389924 306730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's normally because I want to know how much disk space it costs me
< 1427389928 589696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I leave out --apparent-size
< 1427389933 897177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think "du" stands for "disk usage")
< 1427389943 309103 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't THAT the apparent size?
< 1427389950 319310 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I usually say either du -a or du -s
< 1427389957 96792 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes with a sort after
< 1427390023 878375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: no, apparent size is the number of bytes you'd get if you read every byte in the file
< 1427390034 273295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be less than the size on disk due to metadata, padding, and the like
< 1427390040 868697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more because the file is stored in a compressed format
< 1427390058 771530 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or sparsely.
< 1427390074 569834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a special case of a compressed format, IMO
< 1427390085 47331 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conceded.
< 1427390104 926525 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be the most common case for this purpose though.
< 1427390109 886209 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i ... see. ok, so the incantation to see how much free space I need on a card to put my music on it, is du -s ~/music
< 1427390144 150543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly hashtable impl: a sparse file where addresses in your file correspond to possible keys directly
< 1427390171 844471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: yep, you probably want to add --si to that (rather than -h) because people size storage devices in powers of 10 rather than powers of 2
< 1427390186 673817 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've seen that done on memory with hashconsing - the address of the object is its hash value
< 1427390210 501073 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, y'know, ... interesting
< 1427390230 856785 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: how can that work?
< 1427390234 998884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably a lot of mmap
< 1427390273 81706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus some trick to place your stack somewhere your hashtable won't touch
< 1427390277 884538 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two identical objects can have different addresses
< 1427390288 624123 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: not if you hashcons them :)
< 1427390290 619754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: not in this case!
< 1427390298 238197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I assume all objects have to be immutable
< 1427390312 351338 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my memory of it is fuzzy but I assume so too
< 1427390314 731040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure how you do deallocation; refcounting?
< 1427390356 194820 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so we are replacing addresses with hashes, not replacing hashs with addresses
< 1427390368 341599 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was on a 680x0 architecture fwiw. no mmap. stack is just... tucked away somewhere nice
< 1427390372 856192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: right
< 1427390403 680049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: mmap and friends would be helpful here because it lets your address space be larger than your physical memory
< 1427390436 102889 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that would remove that limitation
< 1427390578 652277 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... if it isn't immutable, then change to one sub-object changes the hashes of every object that points to it .: it has to be immutable
< 1427390742 507599 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also means that "does the object X exist" is a reasonable question. In C for example you'd have to iterate through memory, with hashconsig you can just use that hash
< 1427391057 102034 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is... interesting. i might try to dig up the paper (which included a bunch of stuff about trees vs hash tables for some reason)
< 1427391115 935274 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :teach kids to code so they can build things with love and change the world
< 1427391132 223779 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unrelated)
< 1427391158 650765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: there are two problems with that question
< 1427391162 803245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is hash collisions
< 1427391180 759200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is, in order to be able to ask the question, you need the object in the first place and thus the object definitely does exist
< 1427391202 743521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found both of these problems when writing my Perl memory profiler, which had a "does this object exist" as one of its side functionalities)
< 1427391222 804748 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not if the question is asked from a degug envionment?
< 1427391236 463049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: right, or if you're asking the question of the hash rather than of the object
< 1427391244 218674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Devel::TrackAllocations' testsuite uses it
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< 1427403708 947725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:17:20 ais523: i ... see. ok, so the incantation to see how much free space I need on a card to put my music on it, is du -s ~/music
< 1427403713 49145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it's using the same filesystem
< 1427403717 571472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ignoring things like deduplication etc.
< 1427403743 117081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of these apparently simple questions, where the answer is complex
< 1427404076 114116 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that gives a good guess, yes
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< 1427408051 50072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bhoily
< 1427408125 250887 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœrjan!
< 1427408272 510361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i may have drifted out of overlap with cpressey's irc time again
< 1427408344 716572 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? which means?
< 1427408383 836640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that his attempt to catch me failed
< 1427408451 982435 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. you were trying to meet?
< 1427408494 540932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he was, it seems
< 1427408509 889373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although he didn't seem to say why
< 1427408525 117157 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something apocalypse something fungot something.
< 1427408525 530772 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fizzie you got fnord?!?
< 1427408538 49475 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fizzie has fnord.
< 1427408538 724043 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what is lambda? why isn't ( x) ( 1+ y)) please, will someone explain to me how exactly i'm going to
< 1427408541 80335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he _really_ wanted to use lambdabot's @oerjan command, i guess that's a remote possibility.
< 1427408545 217317 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the title is showing as RIP JiAA MatouA!ek for me?
< 1427408566 4296 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping
< 1427408576 554711 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: there are some accents
< 1427408576 830413 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: J i r-hacek i-acute M a t o u s-hacek e k.
< 1427408590 297464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jiří Matoušek
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< 1427408608 95946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that _also_ shows up broken, you need to fix your unicode.
< 1427408609 653408 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: you should try to set your irc client to use utf-8 encoding
< 1427408628 462268 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am seeig J i Ao A~ Matou Ao upsidedown !
< 1427408638 882383 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly IRC doesn't have a single definite encoding, people have been known to use various single-byte national encodings on different channels just a few years ago
< 1427408651 556638 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days they seem to have converged to utf-8, at least in the parts of irc I frequent
< 1427408664 766773 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: heed the b_jonasadvice. utf8ify your client.
< 1427408675 806376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-8 is definitely the recommended encoding for this channel.
< 1427408676 821307 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you forgot the space
< 1427408683 669812 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, now it's working
< 1427408689 352308 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1427408692 711281 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: no I didn't :P
< 1427408705 543687 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(word conflagration is a fun pastime!)
< 1427408717 392216 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oerjan what does @oerjan do?
< 1427408717 779906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1427408720 979417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly with fallback to something latin-1'y
< 1427408732 743179 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, his name isn't “Jiři Matoušek” despite that I wrote that a few times by mistake)
< 1427408735 290114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: something evil, i assume
< 1427408763 482966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky long vowels
< 1427408781 794637 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: makes sense.
< 1427408789 907221 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky ř.
< 1427408835 745177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is pesky
< 1427408867 198316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :single-language sound. well, i'm not entirely sure whether slovakian also has it.
< 1427408871 782843 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427408924 212256 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, to an ignorant foreigner like me the “ř” is just “r” with funny spelling, not a separate sound
< 1427409016 749676 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode Ẩ
< 1427409018 17946 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+1EA8 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND HOOK ABOVE]
< 1427409063 588912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it exists in some dialects of other languages, including slovak, but the wikipedia page only list czech as having it generally
< 1427409123 223849 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꜳꜳꜳrgh!
< 1427409140 141042 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: exists as in distinct from r, or as an allophone?
< 1427409142 898455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hm hungarians shouldn't be that ignorant hth
< 1427409191 318485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well in the polish and silesian entries in the table it's listed as contrasting.
< 1427409220 200054 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1427409232 683786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_trill#Occurrence_2
< 1427409313 123510 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pharo 4 beta was recently released
< 1427409326 822623 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will probably play with the final version when it comes out
< 1427409350 456410 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: int-hello! vocalizing your suffering in foreign languages?
< 1427409375 346285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You talking to me?
< 1427409375 555121 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but you can do about it? i thought since it was originally compiled with japanese perhaps that was his point... it's a bit cheap, relative to
< 1427409502 794762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꜳꜳꜳ
< 1427409504 234193 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+A733 LATIN SMALL LETTER AA] [U+A733 LATIN SMALL LETTER AA] [U+A733 LATIN SMALL LETTER AA]
< 1427409512 671309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: ping ← pong
< 1427409636 850454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: just questioning the sanity of unicode.
< 1427409689 879166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though there may not be anything there to question ;-) )
< 1427409765 624381 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sane!
< 1427409856 934240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you asked last time about the sound “gy” represents in Hungarian
< 1427409860 687493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1427409912 721835 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION questions the sanity of cookies
< 1427409956 91908 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4c6f4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1427409958 87337 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: one thing that might help is that even in English, a minority of people pronounce “new” and “during” with “ny” and “gy” sounds. this is because those words originally have a [j] sound after the consonant, and “j” has a place of articulation (tongue position) similar to “ny” and “gy”
< 1427409990 968056 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the “n” and “d” changes, just like how even in English “n” usually changes to the “ng” sound before a “g” or to an “m” sound before a “b”.
< 1427409998 442669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how close is English "j" to Hungarian "dgy"
< 1427410009 737131 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most people just pronounce those words with “n” and “d” though.)
< 1427410022 538624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: those are the same
< 1427410027 549694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1427410032 301706 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1427410044 155624 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :English “j” is the same as Hungarian “dzs”
< 1427410047 944810 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :different
< 1427410048 684107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, yes
< 1427410050 288139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in your name
< 1427410053 465050 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1427410056 167618 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not in my name
< 1427410058 637846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "zs" I mean
< 1427410061 427953 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1427410062 962485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have a "d"
< 1427410066 185201 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1427410069 164884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot "zs" was even a letter
< 1427410082 450354 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :“zs” is a letter even in Englihs, it occurs in “measure” most famously
< 1427410083 275933 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kibrfiucsziyrcug QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1427410088 173867 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the voiced pair of “sh”
< 1427410103 265666 :luis1!~ray@186-92-136-180.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427410144 696352 :luis1!~ray@186-92-136-180.genericrev.cantv.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola
< 1427410199 533226 :luis1!~ray@186-92-136-180.genericrev.cantv.net PART :#esoteric
< 1427410217 217513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…
< 1427410411 531646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, you mean it's a phoneme in english
< 1427410438 129386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :english doesn't use 'zs' to represent that sound
< 1427410573 637943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure English has a name for it at all
< 1427410579 477635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I agree that it is in the middle of the word "measure"
< 1427410596 532314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "zsh" is the closest I can get using normal English spelling
< 1427411231 917802 :olsner_!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se NICK :olsner
< 1427411395 655488 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are you still on the sound of hungarian dgy? ISTR that's where I left you half a week ago
< 1427411476 53189 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think zsh gets us much further than bash does
< 1427411481 980453 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ISTR?
< 1427411482 443339 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: seems a popular pastime))
< 1427411491 835435 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I seem to remember"
< 1427411501 428422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"seems a popular pastime to leave you there half a week ago"
< 1427411504 941936 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1427411508 605946 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you seem to have forgotten...
< 1427411508 937488 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: fnord. went to the party), better healthcare, better everything." " ok, do _you_ grok dependent types are " low level" syntax case.
< 1427411535 12002 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: #$%*($%) )%($* 384950 %($*#(), so you may have new words to say.
< 1427411535 631056 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: conditions need not be duplicated at the beginning of the parameter names. at least it didn't earlier. ;-p
< 1427411562 486406 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fizzie retrain the irc model now?
< 1427411572 15458 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair it's frozen in time
< 1427411616 627933 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a shell called cash
< 1427411634 428017 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be proprietary
< 1427411711 144795 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne QUIT :Quit: byeannes
< 1427411721 629628 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ISTR ISTR meaning "ISTR"
< 1427411735 571887 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hth)
< 1427411804 840692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1427411815 572626 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( MLoM - modulo loss of memory )
< 1427411823 627506 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :International Society of Technical Redactors
< 1427411883 332171 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IICF
< 1427411895 988266 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn
< 1427412132 442941 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imitate chatting fungots.
< 1427412132 665832 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: 1l 2l adjust axo bch bf8,16,32,64 funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple malbolge pbrain sceql udage01 unlambda
< 1427412155 244756 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As used: "I think we should implement the new accounting software in MUMPS, IICF"
< 1427412162 850016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why did it respond with a language list...
< 1427412227 168817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427412252 142892 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that ISTR has several meanings.
< 1427412308 132968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt it basically always start "I seem to"
< 1427412315 134143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fourth word can vary
< 1427412341 117627 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dictionary suggested "It Stands To Reason".
< 1427412417 813404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with that dictionary
< 1427412432 588543 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean?
< 1427412480 642449 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR hearing "stands to reason" in a pratchett book.
< 1427412526 700444 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know what it's actualy supposed to mean
< 1427412535 944684 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It Stands To Reason That" is more or less equivalent to "In My Opinion"
< 1427412551 508276 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1427412595 194499 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though conceivably you could use it for opinions not your own. "One Might Argue That" is perhaps closer.)
< 1427412638 392075 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one can argue literally anything, so that's pretty meaningless
< 1427412642 292158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "it stands to reason" sort-of implies "a sufficiently intelligent person could deduce that"
< 1427412672 837453 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, note the implied insult of your intelligence if you happen to disagree.
< 1427412685 145662 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess... s/insult of/insult to/
< 1427412768 754490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yep, I think that's part of it
< 1427413770 598293 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was "I seem to recall" (which is not very different to 'remember', though)
< 1427413877 555736 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite possible, I tend to use synonyms interchangeably
< 1427413969 70291 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is there a special term for words that have an overlap in meaning, so they can be synonymous in some contexts but not in others?
< 1427414035 313635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1427414048 827901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etymologically "synonym" should be that, I guess (with two words that /always/ mean the same thing "isonyms")
< 1427414148 426010 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. "Words can be synonymous when meant in certain senses, even if they are not synonymous in all of their senses."
< 1427414442 776726 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh-oh. yesterday there was one open ticket for ghc-7.10, today there are two...
< 1427415621 95432 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1427415674 138878 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427415845 854025 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is translation a functor?
< 1427415848 30963 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1427416446 634531 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1427417105 297581 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427417645 147971 :j-bot!~j-bot@li339-21.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427418036 617076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: now if they could fix the open "ticket" for the ghc trac itself. (apparently it's having problems with bots.)
< 1427418069 429536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops and one is in the Typeable solver
< 1427418414 43467 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right, SPJ reopened it, but I haven't tried to understand his objection. (I thought one of the key points of making typeable internal is that the solver can be very relaxed about overlaps (just as with IncoherentInstances) because the produced typeable witnesses will always end up the same regardless...
< 1427418442 930198 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: gimme a closing parenthesis, please?
< 1427418443 217242 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but i really need to find a decent prolog tutorial by which you may create a new one that does proper fnord
< 1427418454 564913 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: again?
< 1427418454 686382 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sleeping is the cousin of death
< 1427418463 967059 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you're such a disappointment sometimes
< 1427418464 207909 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: some colleagues of mine have done a lot and is southern. he is going to be a fnord
< 1427418471 920135 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: meh.
< 1427418475 231895 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1427418574 164795 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: could you close-paren me please?
< 1427418574 635442 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i use sxml to turn darcs changelogs into debian ones. heheh.'
< 1427418587 485207 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what? that's pure evil!
< 1427418588 12239 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what do the french know? they don't treat macros in sicp? i didn't copy the sp?)
< 1427418609 841740 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: thanks for the belated parenthesis. and yes, the French don't know about that.
< 1427418610 305036 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how are clients any different from running lisp on the 370/ 158 stored its global environment in a continuation
< 1427418624 951017 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: lucky you
< 1427418724 233243 :merdach!~k@stargate.cat.pdx.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1427418940 206630 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's the current price on right-parentheses?
< 1427418940 621741 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i'll quote from the stalin directory:
< 1427418941 657002 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's not luck, it's a deep spiritual connection with the 'got. we understand each other.
< 1427418962 802435 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: this may be a little bit outdated. don't you have anything more modern?
< 1427418963 293911 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it will. you'll need to go bang head against wall ensued. they got it in...
< 1427418970 393621 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bangs head
< 1427418979 561094 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: now?
< 1427418979 992811 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: at the same pace that i'm explaining, it should be
< 1427418986 714240 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it should be?
< 1427418987 212964 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you can't, i don't actually know what you meant by it
< 1427418998 34128 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh well...
< 1427418998 636992 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: once i saw the 1991 demo...
< 1427419003 133248 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: sometimes I wish you would just get to the point
< 1427419003 519236 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: a melon costs 50 cent coin and turned it into hardware ( which was on deviantart frontpage. :p
< 1427419025 700430 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's the price for a melon, at least
< 1427419033 907692 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Ok, you make it sound quite unlucky actually.
< 1427419042 499530 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking news! DA featuring 50¢ melons!
< 1427419053 422862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: aum
< 1427419053 701809 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: forget a subject there, it doesn't work. i think i can
< 1427419057 757261 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Douglas Adams? Isn't he dead?
< 1427419067 493175 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's DNA
< 1427419076 676124 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: technique, not luck.
< 1427419077 262449 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fungot that could
< 1427419077 792923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i aum
< 1427419077 793522 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i meant l:tu or winxp? ;p it might make a good demo with an engine like that than a lame snail?" it might improve the srfi process
< 1427419078 202452 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am sorry for this absurdity i'm not enough of an innovation to be worthy of creating a failure object invoke the debugger)
< 1427419100 548316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ok i guess you're more into logic
< 1427419100 908841 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and one playfield turned into a popularity argument. what do you mean with " limited"? come on. i just added six stack rotation instructions.
< 1427419115 567100 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desoxyribonucleic acid?
< 1427419156 362565 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't think befunge has any stack rotation instructions though
< 1427419156 691773 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: irc is fnord
< 1427419163 25055 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I see
< 1427419163 472223 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: if we have a pair whose cdr is a list, and calls f-h again. this is the esoterics chat room yes?
< 1427419178 740261 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, that is correct
< 1427419178 972942 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: to your first world implicitly passed around.
< 1427419180 453696 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes it is. you're helping.
< 1427419180 709588 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i'll try this one. though perhaps it isn't trustworthy. fnord/ artist/ fnord too up to last year, on a large battle to catch by this war.
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< 1427419266 609191 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what would happen if fungot started mentioning chickens...
< 1427419267 170632 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: a friend of mine has the assumption that it isn't even trying to divide by zero fix this" the sentence would not lose any meaning if you'd use eval.
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< 1427419305 463256 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what did you do to those poor esotericans?
< 1427419306 164963 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: althrought many powerful people where masons, i don't think " genius" is well-defined in this regard. it's counter-intuitive and you can't satisfy them all at once?
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< 1427419526 172519 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"BUNGEE CHICKEN"
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< 1427419581 366725 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what about woodcraft?
< 1427419581 593010 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: are you a fnord?) but i'm not sure my explanations are a bit wonky" crt back, i think
< 1427419595 967380 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what about witchcraft?
< 1427419596 88283 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i found this paper helpfull: fnord/ courses/ scheme/ slime48/. also, closing parens on same line
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< 1427420250 114833 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now fungot is mocking you
< 1427420250 626632 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: not really, kuribas. it has a bunch of smaller objects. for example, how would it know what one
< 1427420280 118171 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how would it, though?
< 1427420280 494261 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it lets you clean up extant but useless data that might be nice if you enumerated the differences
< 1427420350 44120 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's moments of clarity have me worried
< 1427420350 160475 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: can somebody else come into this, and once you make eval look up its proper name.
< 1427421093 576931 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES THE INSERT KEY EXST
< 1427421215 675983 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like some madman was like, yknow what i need? A key that can be pressed accidentally because it's next to right arrow, and makes your new writing overwrite your old writing character by character
< 1427421312 303066 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was useful when people used fixed-length fields in everything?
< 1427421447 806703 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why does the insert key exist?
< 1427421448 56807 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: it relies on gauche a lot? :p. ugh i need to call that cleanup procedure also after the ordinary procedure, ( lambda ( x)
< 1427421463 177525 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :x) indeed
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< 1427427436 884896 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXauSxw86Pw
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< 1427442994 166917 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Huh?++14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42214&oldid=42212 5* 03Ais523 5* (+7) 10Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Vriskanon|Vriskanon]] ([[User talk:Vriskanon|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Kfriede|Kfriede]]
< 1427443034 283309 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Huh?14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42215&oldid=42211 5* 03Ais523 5* (+2) 10no unmarked links to userspace, please
< 1427443058 178555 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Huh?14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42216&oldid=42215 5* 03Ais523 5* (+0) 10caps
< 1427443066 396985 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hashes14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42217&oldid=42209 5* 03Ais523 5* (-12) 10Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Vriskanon|Vriskanon]] ([[User talk:Vriskanon|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:93.115.84.195|93.115.84.195]]
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< 1427443149 416030 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07~ATH14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42218&oldid=42206 5* 03Ais523 5* (+8) 10/* Tutorial */ don't mix meta-content with content, no unmarked links to userspace
< 1427443165 283868 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Secretary14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42219&oldid=42207 5* 03Ais523 5* (-8) 10Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Vriskanon|Vriskanon]] ([[User talk:Vriskanon|talk]]) to last revision by [[User:Oerjan|Oerjan]]
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< 1427443378 936690 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may find this interesting
< 1427443381 148992 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not
< 1427443383 62945 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/gBVNv3
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< 1427443517 434579 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: don't rely on sed being smart enough to optimize 2p -> 2{p;q} and don't rely on sed being smart enough to produce the correct output on binary files
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< 1427443686 284762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't expect sed to optimize
< 1427443813 983986 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently a lot of people are expecting it to be equally efficient...
< 1427443815 29451 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Vriskanon14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42220 5* 03Ais523 5* (+2199) 10warning/note about links to userspace
< 1427443992 791492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder when was the last time I did my Esolang adminning duties in a way other than spam clearup
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< 1427444222 6045 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, ghc-7.10.1 finally made it.
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< 1427445359 193146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good enough reply, at least
< 1427445368 713487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I made the huge mistake of clicking on the diff
< 1427445386 418779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that I entirely missed the Orange Bar of Doom, which I probably haven't seen for over a year now?
< 1427445393 427674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever since Wikipedia got rid of it
< 1427445457 252422 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Duck Duck Goose14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42223&oldid=42201 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+9) 10
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< 1427451022 283554 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07~ATH14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42226&oldid=42221 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+2883) 10External links for Homestuck and Mesons. Changed introductiknMinor edits elsewhere. The 'Conditions' tutorial section (incomplete) and the 'Negative Concepts' tutorial section.
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< 1427453956 279731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : WHY DOES THE INSERT KEY EXST <-- i use it occasionally, although i have some trouble remembering where it is on my new laptop keyboard. of course in vim the R command is easier.
< 1427454218 785640 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift+ins = paste
< 1427454230 101418 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sayin'
< 1427454238 784519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just use ^V
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< 1427454304 788412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXauSxw86Pw <-- what did i just watch
< 1427454338 350119 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is not why the insert key exists. The question is why insert mode still exists
< 1427454386 22630 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I need to look at your monad which I assume is in the logs somewhere but I am too tired to hunt
< 1427454500 442382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let dbind [x] f = f x; dbind l f | all ((==1).length) l' = concat l' | otherwise = [] where l' = map f l
< 1427454502 391283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1427454511 228614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x f g -> (((x::[Int]) `dbind` f :: [Int]) `dbind` g :: [Int]) == x `dbind` \t -> f t `dbind` g
< 1427454512 922592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
< 1427454535 716628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :return x = [x]
< 1427454544 528717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>=) = dbind
< 1427454551 780055 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1427454552 992608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was checking the third monad laws
< 1427454555 520536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s
< 1427454594 54505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is basically "make the result [] unless laws force you not to"
< 1427454605 44513 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like
< 1427454639 682478 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Counterexamples in Computation"
< 1427454682 490913 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain is utterly dead tho
< 1427454689 507743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common problem
< 1427454746 593305 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ShrugSQL": when there are so many ad-hoc abstraction layers between you and your data you have no idea whether it counts as "NoSQL" or not
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< 1427454813 704597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason it only works for finite lists is that otherwise the check for whether you can return [] may never terminate.
< 1427454856 623083 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :does never-terminating violate the monad laws?
< 1427454861 639892 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i shouldn't ask such questions
< 1427454933 817314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it hard to fulfil the x >>= return = x law for an infinite list x
< 1427454952 903135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if the return is somehow obfuscated
< 1427454978 150060 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that question was a bit troll-y tbh
< 1427455005 344588 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :a better question would be: do monads make sense in (say) a total functional programming regime? i don't see why they wouldn't
< 1427455037 479796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite likely they make even _more_ sense, in haskell frequently the laws don't hold exactly once you have nontermination
< 1427455101 599676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand many total languages define a monad for non-terminating computations
< 1427455145 496320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they can still express turing-complete computations
< 1427455201 130576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :codata Rec a = Now a | Later (Rec a)
< 1427455238 428502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something equivalent
< 1427455273 631572 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes *cough, cough*
< 1427455337 563181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives cpressey a repsil drop
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< 1427455369 444401 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1427455941 147946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yay, ghc-7.10.1 finally made it. <-- brace for confused stackoverflow questions...
< 1427455965 630904 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1427456074 127942 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though. all the effort we're putting into developing total functional programming could be directed towards teaching kids to code so they can build things with love and change the world.
< 1427456078 912812 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :what *are* our priorities.
< 1427456127 459053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you just tied my brain into a meta-ironic knot
< 1427456197 368863 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry. finding it very hard not to get bitter, as i age. not unlike cheese, i suppose
< 1427456417 277695 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42227&oldid=41367 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+9) 10
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< 1427456456 442375 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:SuperJedi22414]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42229&oldid=42228 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+4) 10
< 1427456718 220098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daft Punk14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42231 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+298) 10Created page with "{{stub}} ''Daft Punk is still under production. This page will be updated when the code is fully designed.'' - ~~~~ Daft is an [[Esoteric Programming Language]] currentl..."
< 1427456738 533322 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daft Punk14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42232&oldid=42231 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (-4) 10
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< 1427456834 534840 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42233&oldid=42208 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+16) 10/* D */ Added Daft Punk
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< 1427456891 657881 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Daft Punk14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42234&oldid=42232 5* 03Vriskanon 5* (+31) 10
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< 1427457447 10683 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how much of modern software development is just *finding* the line of code to change
< 1427457545 230115 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that depends on whether you write the code well organized in first place
< 1427457559 40258 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write good code, then yes, you just have to find where to change
< 1427457605 773506 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, you have to restructure everything and change ten copies of what should have been refactored to the same function in first place, and then hunt down memory corruption bugs that didn't use to crash the program so frequently before this incidental change.
< 1427457628 633416 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how much of modern software development" depends on nothing except the set of all modern software development
< 1427457887 498842 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how quickly and completely can you familiarize yourself with a vast territory?" <-- possible interview question
< 1427458057 25185 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's the spec, or lack thereof. "story: currently we do X when Z, make it Y when Z instead". four hours later: no, we actually already Y when Z
< 1427458077 297920 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe those bdd people have a point
< 1427458576 616588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this territory talk is nonsense, i will have nunavut
< 1427458738 887402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure they do, but what does body dysmorphic disorder have to do with programming
< 1427458746 417956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pinky
< 1427458746 687021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, Brain, but isn't that why they invented tube socks?
< 1427458770 713956 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you disapproved of these puns but now you look so inuit.
< 1427458801 536484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot have been paying proper attention
< 1427459412 690399 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yukon count me out of this silly game
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< 1427460017 324794 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dysmorphic disorder? what's that?
< 1427460161 851464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google dysmorphic disorder
< 1427460163 424252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.adaa.org/understanding-anxiety/related-illnesses/other-related-conditions/body-dysmorphic-disorder-bdd
< 1427460163 425070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Body Dysmorphic Disorder (BDD) | Anxiety and Depression Association of Americ...
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< 1427461166 425185 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you watched some cute Chinese girls singing and dancing, obviously.
< 1427461304 506308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that much was obvious.
< 1427461361 749787 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's all I know about it
< 1427461379 402960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1427462070 604143 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I looked up the group on zh.wikipedia. Apparently they were 5 years old and the video is from 2006 (explaining the quality)
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< 1427462111 881957 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firebase is surprisingly expensive
< 1427462118 650704 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$50 a month?
< 1427462137 85699 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get a dedicated high performance server for that kind of money
< 1427462153 646407 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with unlimited traffic and TB of storage
< 1427462186 291886 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently the same group got together and recordied it again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvGGpOhIjG8
< 1427462713 939697 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately that means i have it stuck in my head again
< 1427463593 966027 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what this is but i think i'll pass
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< 1427463635 455691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, spj's mails are almost unreadable in the pipermail archives
< 1427463675 903624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the conversion to text doesn't preserve whatever quoting scheme he's using
< 1427463677 148411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
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< 1427463914 329446 :Tod-Autojoined!Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net NICK :TodPunk
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< 1427464748 27454 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: spj's emails are unreadable in my mail client, too :P
< 1427464969 852897 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is spj?
< 1427464976 468257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :simon peyton-jones
< 1427464981 260849 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1427466261 629302 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, if i don't leave now, i'm going to start saying things i will probably regret later
< 1427466264 689743 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
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< 1427467478 803261 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Mmmm()14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42235&oldid=42227 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+13) 10Undo
< 1427467846 203848 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Calculator fuck14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42236&oldid=41653 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+24) 10
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< 1427472663 412584 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shikin, get a server and a screen session
< 1427472760 367952 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :* shikhin
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< 1427477186 37230 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun, hanami season in full swing... I love the fact that there are forecasts. http://www.jnto.go.jp/sakura/eng/index.php
< 1427477204 805207 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or sakura, hanami is the celebration?
< 1427477915 994974 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hanami just literally says "flower viewing"
< 1427477931 735778 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sakura means the cherry blossoms
< 1427479240 204761 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1427479251 565167 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nvm
< 1427479257 516829 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :was scrolled up
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< 1427480726 706253 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1427480953 610530 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just heard on the news "There is no girl"
< 1427480968 910504 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds probably significant on quite a terrifying level
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< 1427481112 866681 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's talking about a vigilante group catching a sexual predator by creating a fictional teenage girl)
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< 1427491658 645073 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, look! the proceedings for the Sigbovik conference are already available, even before the start of the conference
< 1427491662 159544 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1427491664 756172 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to read in the weekend
< 1427491667 707999 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sigbovik.org/2015/
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< 1427494673 230641 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :##ircplaysddungeon
< 1427494753 657583 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nhellortti! what's ddungeon?
< 1427494843 436926 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows, but apparently irc plays it
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< 1427494992 592518 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a typo of "dungeon"
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< 1427495057 184511 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here I was hoping that ddungeon was to dungeon what ddate is to date...
< 1427495068 784655 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome MichaelMalus
< 1427495070 608525 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07MichaelMalus: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04 http://sigbovik.org/2015/
< 1427500340 508404 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :どもくん！
< 1427500436 612357 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bashing Haskell: Reimplementing the Parsec Library Inside the Unix Shell" ... oh no.
< 1427500481 671231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computational Heresy?
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< 1427500826 642785 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MD5 takes an arbitrary string of characters, passes it through a deterministic blender and produces an unnecessarily long 128-bit value."
< 1427501489 331031 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unnecessarily long?
< 1427501562 358466 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. MD5/4 compresses it into 32 bits
< 1427501598 217235 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it might help to know that the proceedings are dated April 1st 2015.
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< 1427501626 352617 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Hmm, so they're from the future
< 1427501640 876363 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not for long :)
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< 1427501704 355658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Or, more likely, you're looking at them on a screen because you're too cheap to actually buy the proceedings." They know me so well.
< 1427501713 976336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's on the paper copy at all.
< 1427501718 953407 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I wasn't looking at the proceedings, and that sentence is mostly accurate
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< 1427501750 181324 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh jeez, the last page is filled with lots of tiny text
< 1427501767 195174 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: At the same time, no self-respecting cryptographer would write that in a scientific publication.
< 1427501863 183900 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the solid foundation of the MD5/4 cryptographic hash function"
< 1427501900 991475 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the RSA public key cryptosystem signing procedure [10] with a key length of 32 bits"
< 1427501905 56052 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so 96 of the bits are not needed?
< 1427501915 699188 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1427501942 113004 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: wait until you get to the footnote explaining why 2048 is a more popular choice
< 1427501967 877041 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll read this in-depth later
< 1427502004 365767 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Copyright © 2015 The Association of Computational Heresy, your leading source for cutting-edge research on Science, Computational Archaeolinguistics, and Artificial Stupidity. "
< 1427502054 275021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :owie. "Kaliningrad, Russia (colloq.); better known in the Formal Literature as Königsberg, Prussia...
< 1427502057 255827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1427502086 924739 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they aren't saying that 96 of the bits can be deduced from 32, they're just saying THEY only need 32 bits
< 1427502159 673217 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is this entire thing an elaborate joke or not?
< 1427502204 672696 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a valid cryptographic operation, assuming your attacker doesn't have access to modern (post 1960?) computers.
< 1427502222 963680 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: you're catching on fast
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< 1427502269 984384 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunaely in the internet age it is hard to tell whether anything is a joke
< 1427502380 225424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the website is to be believed, it's "joke realizations of joke ideaas", "joke realizations of serious ideas", and "serious realizations of joke ideas", all of which /joke/.
< 1427502479 63482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a similar set as this channel, isn't it?
< 1427502483 761304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least when it's ontopic?
< 1427502647 780698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although this channel also has the "related to programming languages" bit set.
< 1427502666 936608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allegedly, anyway.
< 1427502680 903081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose is mostly the topic anyways
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< 1427503047 264884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 64
< 1427503048 143445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 64: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex
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< 1427503699 714257 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient greeks, including Aristotle and a mortal man [1] named Socrates.
< 1427503723 263271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that about the Greeks?
< 1427503780 391790 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a sentence from the artivle on "artisanal type theory"
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< 1427504525 546445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My RDF namespace now has 19 leaf nodes defined.
< 1427504910 425730 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By he way, the images are always 256x256, because numbers that are a power of two are faster.²" "²This is true on computers, because computers count in binary. In the human eye, powers of ten are faster, because humans have ten fingers."
< 1427504914 940853 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the*
< 1427504975 324080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one of those statements that's /just/ accurate enough that you can't outright call it false, while nonetheless being completely misleading
< 1427505130 234855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eyes aren't fingers though, isn't it?
< 1427505136 467517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1427505200 495336 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Batch file14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42237 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+76) 10Created page with "== examples == === Hello, World === @echo off echo Hello, World
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< 1427505253 83733 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Batch file14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42238&oldid=42237 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+24) 10
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< 1427505278 791663 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it these earbuds have too much bass
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< 1427505342 718222 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _knew_ I should have bought cheaper ones
< 1427505604 372999 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Batch file14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42239&oldid=42238 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+6) 10
< 1427505654 8565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is PDJSON larger than my RDF Turtle parser when both are compiled with -s -O2 options?
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< 1427505899 783354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't RDF Turtle more complicated than JSON?
< 1427505968 664632 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the error handling compare in each piece of code?
< 1427506074 539273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; maybe you should look. Although, both do check for several errors (there are probably more errors to check for in RDF).
< 1427506094 681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can look though, and see if that help
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< 1427506640 558680 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... maybe it's strerror?
< 1427506710 220587 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would implicitly include a bunch of strings, most of which are never used,
< 1427506775 494747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, maybe
< 1427506798 634477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rerere loop unrolling
< 1427506837 42494 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: aww
< 1427506837 323478 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: fnord by pikhq already exists and doesn't require tcness from that. therefore, a language with card decks. yarr.
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< 1427507210 765748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, strerror is linked externally; the compiled DLL doesn't include all of those strings
< 1427507216 137159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked
< 1427507249 452490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite that, sqlext_pdjson.dll is 46K and sqlext_turtle.dll is 22K
< 1427507659 788799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDJSON does have smaller source-codes though.
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< 1427520570 223477 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/30hk3l/github_may_be_inaccessible_today_due_to_a_ddos/
< 1427520572 850487 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta love JSONP
< 1427521224 918371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427521363 38407 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that other people are pointing out the obvious right way to fix the DDoS attack, is it that bad if I mention it too?
< 1427521375 201574 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first few things I said I avoided mentioning it, but now I haven't
< 1427521391 416370 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's an obvious thing... but apparently not obvious to the Chinese gov
< 1427521555 731017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's ddos'ing china?
< 1427521603 934734 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :China is attempting to DDoS GitHub
< 1427521620 597348 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By causing sites using Baidu analytics to make JSONP requests to GitHub
< 1427521635 499052 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to cause users to make etc
< 1427521645 134326 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GitHub responded by making that URL return an alert()
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< 1427525069 454290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : god damn it these earbuds have too much bass <-- bass are inferior to babel fishes, anyhow
< 1427525186 698117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i suggest featuring Esme for april 1, on the reasoning that it will likely greatly speed up the next feature.
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< 1427525448 133028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the new version of CLC-INTERCAL is released on April 1, then should you feature the new version of CLC-INTERCAL on April 1?
< 1427525519 847638 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Esme is better as a 'this should not be featured' language being featured
< 1427525562 666916 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't recommend featuring Esme
< 1427525565 678995 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1427525601 955482 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If VeeBeeWiki needs Esme to run, maybe there would be hints of what the language is actually supposed to be
< 1427525686 66138 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except only link apparently was dead
< 1427526073 567506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked on a TV guide and on the guide in the cable box with DVR to figure out when the show is on, and then I went into the basement to record it on the VCR; are you going to call it strange if I do such thing?
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< 1427526174 592376 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly strange that you'd use VCR if a DVR is present, also wondering why you needed to check two sources
< 1427526189 540239 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :videotapes aren't used anymore in Canada, but they are used a lot in Japan, so it' relative
< 1427526326 806931 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway DVR can have limitations as to getting the data off the DVR
< 1427526386 484763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out they connected it to an input on the DVD recorder on the main floor, so that is one way to copy it I suppose
< 1427526412 915240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although someone else is using the DVR and that TV set so I don't want to fill up the disk space or to interfere with their TV shows
< 1427526459 80263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I checked two sources is that the TV guide doesn't list shows on at 3AM
< 1427526480 380323 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 3AM now
< 1427526521 81211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in my timezone
< 1427527120 234043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: agreed re: esme
< 1427527126 476519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even ironically
< 1427527129 660309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1427527130 724945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ironically
< 1427527132 583262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not on that level
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< 1427528534 910841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1427528579 69900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the haskell wiki is so broken i cannot even view diffs :(
< 1427528612 422646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact no one else has seemingly noticed doesn't bode well.
< 1427528624 256104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it means no one is checking edits.
< 1427528650 204275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell-infrastructure hth
< 1427528702 453726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1427529059 909789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i hats that help
< 1427529389 98651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it did, just look at the response
< 1427529460 974550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's p. late in haskellland
< 1427529708 822714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky western hemisphere
< 1427531977 536071 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427535519 160512 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric : struct mytest A = {3,5.6,"World",0};
< 1427535522 190482 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric : struct mytest B = {5,3.1415,"Hello",&A};
< 1427535525 277187 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric : prin7f("{%d,%f,%s,%R}",&B);
< 1427535551 541951 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :output is: {5,3.141500,Hello,{3,5.600000,World,}}
< 1427535557 349888 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :muhuhahahaha
< 1427535628 358381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :charming
< 1427535713 824770 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prin7f family of functions works sort of like the printf family, except they take their data out of a given buffer instead of from dynamically typed arguments
< 1427535757 149703 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The %R specifier recurses into a pointer with the same format
< 1427535854 46529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :must it be the whole format? otherwise it seems a bit limited.
< 1427535897 991274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we need the full power of BNF here
< 1427535909 755927 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm....
< 1427535989 188892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution: make the first argument a struct also >:)
< 1427536019 344552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...might be a bit tricky.
< 1427536042 889941 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm just covering onw of the most common cases. Full BNF would use an array of formats that can refer to each other with "%{N}"
< 1427536138 706602 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1427536221 58910 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I'd have to write code to detect looped pointers.... ugh
< 1427536268 330801 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I already need that
< 1427536526 480655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 979
< 1427536527 449741 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 979: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti
< 1427536548 560854 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, list
< 1427536583 902512 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh my FB page hasn't said anything yet
< 1427536679 190048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ol' ist
< 1427536864 802906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ can just take your trademark like that?
< 1427536875 124874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :next it'll have to be ølist
< 1427536948 636426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :øl, øl, og mere øl
< 1427537237 651879 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Cyclic_Tag_System
< 1427537319 763977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: oh wow
< 1427537374 981443 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427537463 883588 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The guilty party seems to be http://assets.en.oreilly.com/1/event/27/High%20Performance%20SQL%20with%20PostgreSQL%20Presentation.pdf)
< 1427537688 943866 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/orenwatson/985cdf4a945ee80f756d
< 1427537960 265946 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427549114 957094 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL
< 1427549115 594156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 281300Z 35011KT 30SM FEW090 FEW240 M09/M17 A3006 RMK AC1CI1 AC TR CI TR SLP181
< 1427549150 468456 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minus fungotting nine. and it was snowing yesterday...
< 1427549150 918335 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and diamondie; if they'd still age at this speed and stayed in bed the last 100 years, i'd say.
< 1427549190 907786 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I wouldn't mind cats or dogs or diamondies pouring down. as long as it isn't any more snow.
< 1427549191 279790 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: also pushing should be fnord?? weirdo! set-car! set-cdr! are functions, but f takes as an argument
< 1427549224 155987 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it's not weird, it's common sense. you push and shovel and hurl the snow away.
< 1427549224 486130 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: tell me what " fnord" is longer than
< 1427549235 236798 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fnord is longer than snow.
< 1427549235 546722 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: anyone here familiar with dr scheme? fnord!
< 1427549247 275777 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: perhaps. I think racket's more popular nowadays.
< 1427549585 821711 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45c7:74aa:917f:8c54 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1427549621 670097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar uh what was that code again
< 1427549625 711611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL
< 1427549626 794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 281320Z 23017KT 9999 OVC013 13/09 Q1010 TEMPO SCT012 BKN016
< 1427550118 340955 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
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< 1427551048 775973 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you know why fungot forgot about ^rerere and ^rreree?
< 1427551048 923561 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i just want to dump the fnord leaves.
< 1427551062 346610 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: brilliant excuse
< 1427551062 499754 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in your file makes it instantly clear. chopping it into at least two other links that don't work
< 1427551152 477166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps a better question is, does fungot support remembering defined commands over restarts?
< 1427551152 531517 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's a zip file stored in a hash-table? what's wrong with it just pointing out that a lot
< 1427551240 282900 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427551293 655635 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a zip file in a hash table seems a bit cumbersome for befunge processing
< 1427551349 878487 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're underestimating fungot's prowesses.
< 1427551350 372872 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm afraid i haven't read it yet. also, saying the f word more than once ( per invocation).
< 1427551374 747962 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I wouldn't know. I'm seriously lacking in the f-word department.
< 1427551375 104418 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: which is good. ( well, it seems...
< 1427551381 625013 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it is.
< 1427551382 49242 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and merging is great!" and was curious if scheme code were parsed textually, you'd never know what you'll find over the rainbow"? x_x
< 1427551511 165226 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphical parsing of scheme sounds very cumbersome, fungot
< 1427551511 471371 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it's unnecessary, especially if one restricts it to working stuff and marks them appropriately)
< 1427551520 989394 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why indeed
< 1427551521 343877 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: in c. " fnord"? when i load it?' and how will that help me tracing the prog? hardly
< 1427551612 641270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Nobody ^saved?
< 1427552100 201767 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a ^save?
< 1427552128 644748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: quite possibly.
< 1427552220 300050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def rreree bf ,..>,[.<.>.>,]<.
< 1427552220 401495 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1427552231 631462 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def rerere bf ,.>,.<.>>,[.<.<.>>>,]<.<.>.
< 1427552231 632127 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1427552233 887642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save
< 1427552251 155614 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(am I even allowed to do that?)
< 1427552363 487512 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ŝave
< 1427552366 276061 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1427552369 106009 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save
< 1427552378 155560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :revive keys!
< 1427552398 252731 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my keys are dead and I like it that way.
< 1427552428 704441 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a certified necrokeyboardomancer :D
< 1427552776 107919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't think it works for anyone but fizzie to ^save?
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< 1427560148 741385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save
< 1427560148 775272 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1427560160 455502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's one of these restricted ones.
< 1427560528 822857 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unrestrict
< 1427560552 49682 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please, unrestrict yourself. it's for the Greater Good®
< 1427560552 331188 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm getting rather tired of incessant divergence from the topic has the url :) :) 3 :)
< 1427560562 674871 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: bleh to you too!
< 1427560562 968634 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's put onto amb-fail.
< 1427561044 434285 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, fungot
< 1427561044 861089 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it was some other programming language, it's just too difficult in a statically typed macro system from a large variety of broken keymaps
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< 1427562716 37024 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I could see that, yes
< 1427562716 415572 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: well at least it will be a variable name is really call-with-current-continuation. amb is somewhat more roundabout than i thought
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< 1427563472 198392 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/rntz/rotten#rotten
< 1427563480 985858 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp compiler that compiles in a backdoor
< 1427563492 177624 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when self compiling
< 1427563917 573916 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: you know "reflections on trusting trust", right? http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html
< 1427564043 516479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's the first thing mentioned in the readme.md, I should've clicked the link before answering
< 1427564315 12664 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inte: nevah hoid of it!
< 1427564322 677555 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inte: you know about diverse double compilation, right?
< 1427564332 294835 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1427565812 146440 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, lisp is a poor attack vector for this because we know that every lisp hacker can make their own implementation of lisp
< 1427565866 80392 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Large defense surface?)
< 1427565963 231829 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is lisp a poor attack vector?
< 1427565963 560290 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: seriously i mean da scm monster. water walker.
< 1427565985 67344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, have you tried to make your own dialect of lisp yet?
< 1427565985 500425 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: forget your religion is i am an image artist" fnord, i'm sorry, but i can't make
< 1427565996 280037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that parenthesis stuff you mentioned a few days ago I thought you would
< 1427566037 293813 :Nokaji!~tris@host-92-31-78-136.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427566390 222608 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know suckless?
< 1427566552 750753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1427566641 138043 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1427566680 945212 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, because i need to rant
< 1427566684 356669 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEIR NAME IS WRONG
< 1427566688 256884 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEIR STUFF SUCKS
< 1427566704 795398 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY WROTE LIBUTF AND THEIR SED BREAKS UTF8
< 1427566706 717045 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF
< 1427566709 255171 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok /rant
< 1427566846 820300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427567753 608390 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: does suckless suck less?
< 1427567754 62558 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ' these people's c is horrible' for ' binary', though. i rather enjoy sounding the opinions of other schemers, but if they used python or scheme or cl
< 1427567771 402270 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fungot agrees with you, izabera
< 1427567771 733615 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i suppose doom iii on geforce 4 under the hurd might be an example of upwards only continuations.
< 1427567782 304368 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. I don't think so
< 1427567832 703560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: maybe (turning an old joke about MS around) they tried to write firmware for a vacuum cleaner...
< 1427568708 521179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: you'll need to handle padding
< 1427568922 76407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that? How does their sed breaks UTF-8?
< 1427568968 669490 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427569134 394373 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427569241 705612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: the suckless people rarely seem to bother being consistent in their philosophy...
< 1427569271 696576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Unicode support thing seems like kind of an outlier to me. I have a feeling that if Plan 9 didn't have such a focus on it, they'd consider it unnecessary bloat :p
< 1427569716 617566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to add Unicode support into sed and stuff that using regular expression, is easy to do, is make up a regex modifier flag to enable UTF-8 in which case when it read the byte 0xC0-0xFF then read however many next bytes 0x80-0xBF are considered as part of the same character. Nothing else needs to be done, and now you can even turn it off by just not specifying this flag.
< 1427569739 529879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't try to add in everything else like character classes and so on
< 1427569852 218407 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the meaning of [a-ä] is very different with and without the flag; you cannot encode the resulting unicode range conveniently in a 256 bit array.
< 1427569990 356427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is true, but, such ranges are not likely what you would want anyways, whether or not the flag is set.
< 1427570015 632079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a DFA based regex engine around that uses arrays of size 256 for transitions.)
< 1427570037 133837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It would be ... interesting ... to try to make it work with utf-8)
< 1427570094 797833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should instead use multiple ranges together if you really want to include both accented and unaccented letters in the same range like that.
< 1427570200 638320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Ah, well I suppose it may be possible to compile UTF-8-based regular expressions into byte-based regular expressions, like I explained how to compile the dot, for example
< 1427570222 911230 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1427570267 55447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess negating ranges is the tricky bit.
< 1427570946 668677 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1427570986 907889 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an issue a while ago where a sed script worked differently depending on the locale, due to character ranges
< 1427571030 841196 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even happened when I used escapes. You'd think [\x30-\x3f] would unambiguously match the set of bytes 0x30..0x3f, but apparently it doesn't
< 1427571040 126322 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :collating is the worst idea ever.
< 1427571090 191326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like bolting unicode on in a kind of ad-hoc manner after the fact doesn't go to well :p
< 1427571094 209528 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, [a-z] should not include B-Y and one of A or Z (I forgot which one), oh and äöüÄÖÜ while we're at it)
< 1427571182 356861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :character ranges just seem like a fundamentally poor idea for unicode to me...
< 1427571456 208389 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i had to go
< 1427571458 400576 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ suckless sed 's/[à]/x/' <<< è
< 1427571461 127840 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :x¨
< 1427571466 48796 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is... broken
< 1427571470 7309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's stupid it shouldn't use Unicode such thing
< 1427571491 289410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't use the locale
< 1427571633 350928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In byte mode it should match all bytes in range, in UTF-8 mode it should match all sequences of bytes corresponding to the shortest UTF-8 encoding of the codepoints in the given range.
< 1427571668 751132 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you mean with stupid? my example or their sed's behaviour?
< 1427571690 85683 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it obviously should use unicode imho
< 1427571710 970339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it shouldn't use Unicode, unless you set a flag to tell it to do so
< 1427571732 641562 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? why does that make any sense? the flag should be always active
< 1427571757 641751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it shouldn't, you should use single byte encodings by default (the program doesn't have to care which)
< 1427571769 8516 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 2015
< 1427571789 872905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for zzo it isn't
< 1427571802 272748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alternative is to provide a flag to turn it off instead
< 1427571819 17635 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :your reasoning is maybe valid in a 1975 background
< 1427571836 948772 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_CTYPE=C sed 's/[à]/x/' <<< è
< 1427571852 433855 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1427571863 213779 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed 's/[à]/x/' <<< è
< 1427571865 994831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :è
< 1427571890 202683 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay gnu
< 1427571920 814449 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent
< 1427571922 554273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` locale
< 1427571923 388574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ
< 1427571938 165836 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :New zealand? whatever floats your boat
< 1427571944 543872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it shouldn't use the locale, instead add a regex flag after the / to tell it to use UTF-8, if you don't specify then it doesn't, and either way doens't care about what language or anything like that
< 1427571966 506451 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you happen to read the posix standard
< 1427571988 542587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you have to add another shortcut that will change the locale to C when executing the command
< 1427572037 587069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In UNIX systems I have access to I had to even change the locale to C in my login scripts, since they did it bad too
< 1427572047 584333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically unicode did not exist in 1975 :p
< 1427572093 120468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some parts of the locale system *do* seem to mess things up more than they help, but... that's unix for you
< 1427572112 824816 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean [a-z] matching X ?
< 1427572121 511582 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what [[:lower:]] is for
< 1427572131 668523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think [a-z] is kind of unreasonable to start with.
< 1427572144 321803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think [a-z] matching X is stupid unless case-insensitive mode is selected
< 1427572157 836136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By default it shouldn't do that
< 1427572159 48353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I do admit that I have no idea how to reliably match "ASCII characters a to z". what if you're grepping for some programming language's syntax?)
< 1427572183 83189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find, e.g. locale-based ordering annoying in "ls". it messes up SHOUTYFILES coming first, iirc
< 1427572202 111129 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_CTYPE=C [a-z]
< 1427572221 249039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's the other thing
< 1427572227 511059 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if [a-z[ in the C locale matches X yell at your vendor)
< 1427572242 30530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly unix is a mess and a whole bunch of software is never going to make sure the locale is right for what it does in its scripts or whatever
< 1427572254 383920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree it is stupid, I want to force the locale to be C which is why I set up the login script to force the locale to C
< 1427572255 389076 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate almost everything about locales, but I do have LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (why the en_US?) set.
< 1427572282 897264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I too, but I prefer to set it to C instead of en_US.UTF-8
< 1427572285 209879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do like localised software, and I do think all software should handle Unicode, no excuses.)
< 1427572289 5561 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C/Unix locale system isn't *that* bad, but very few people understand it well.
< 1427572294 635448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just think the Unix locale system is about as much of a mess as Unix itself.)
< 1427572305 135711 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You'd like musl's locale approach.
< 1427572319 798927 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unicode is the only supported charset".
< 1427572328 632673 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I hate localised error messages, because I have to read them, rather than recognize them by pattern matching.)
< 1427572329 882412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does musl even support locales to the point of letting you get error messages in your language from ls or whatever?
< 1427572333 662551 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1427572340 301848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree; only documentation and GUIs should be localised.
< 1427572360 432477 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody's bothered doing much localization, but there's locale infrastructure in place just fine.
< 1427572361 848221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you disagree with almost everything I say >_>
< 1427572364 616165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, not all software needs to handle Unicode; it depends on the software.
< 1427572377 298781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're wrong!
< 1427572386 15347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most software probably shouldn't need to handle Unicode.
< 1427572394 390303 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a couple omissions?
< 1427572404 862574 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Oh *right*, it doesn't support localized collation.
< 1427572440 933260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should all go back to the original Emacs-on-TECO ported to TOPS-20, imo, argument over
< 1427572444 405854 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a-z] matching X if /i is given is reasonable to me
< 1427572461 709521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice TECO even ran on TOPS-20!
< 1427572466 308623 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :without /i any range should match exactly that range of bytes IMO
< 1427572470 556833 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (not exactly the same thing as locales, but somewhat relevant to some localized users) musl's iconv doesn't support *extensions* to its charset support ATM.
< 1427572495 306179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making the sort command to support user-defined collation sequences (independent of chaacter set) seem reasonable to me; most other programs don't need to, but there are some such as SQLite that you can add extensions for user-defined collation sequences already too.
< 1427572501 407017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I apologise for any part i had in starting this argument -_-
< 1427572510 415054 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1427572556 799067 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means you're going to have some issues if the legacy charset for your languange is not sufficiently common to have been implemented in iconv.
< 1427572688 135415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite has no SQL commands to implement collation sequences, but you can write them in C and then load them using the LOAD_EXTENSION function in SQL.
< 1427572722 171807 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, SOL if it's not: UTF-8, UCS2, UTF-16, UTF-32, ASCII, EUC-JP, Shift-JIS, GB18030, GBK, GB2312, Big5, EUC-KR, ISO-8859*, or one of the more popular Windows code pages.
< 1427572777 979500 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about EBCDIC?
< 1427572791 638914 :Nokaji!~tris@host-92-31-78-136.as13285.net PART :#esoteric
< 1427572818 460679 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1427572818 937714 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IBM's proprietary encryption)
< 1427572887 511860 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fuck EBCDIC)
< 1427572969 663292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :EBCDIC isn't very good; ASCII is better.
< 1427573003 251255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use ASCII when possible though rather than any other characters sets; most are compatible with ASCII though, so won't be much problem
< 1427573072 131418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, from Wikipedia: Professor: "So the American government went to IBM to come up with an encryption standard, and they came up with—" Student: "EBCDIC!"
< 1427573436 884113 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is using cookies on GitHub Pages actually -safe-?
< 1427573460 790418 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :github.io is on the public suffix list
< 1427573492 947258 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427573650 999016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: "safe"?
< 1427573686 36420 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, if I run a.github.io and use cookies for stuff, what chance does evil.github.io have of breaking stuff
< 1427573785 71960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VCR I have has no zero-return function. You can reset the counter to zero, but doesn't have the mode to automatically fast-forward/rewind until reaching zero and then stop.
< 1427573797 206528 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a matter of setting the cookie's domain and path, isn't it?
< 1427573872 503833 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if evil overrides a cookie that a is using?
< 1427573885 413042 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But public suffix list entry for github.io should block that I think
< 1427573889 751305 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For browsers that use that list
< 1427573896 175345 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck cookies for needing a list like that
< 1427574012 491872 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: evil.github.io should not be able to set a cookie for a.github.io
< 1427574013 868748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just mention on your webpage to add such an entry to the list
< 1427574073 134672 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor should the browser send a cookie for a.github.io in requests to evil.github.io)
< 1427574133 884476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing you can use the client's IP address for additional security measures
< 1427574241 601808 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I'd assume that the purpose of the "public suffix list" is that websites cannot set cookies with such suffixes; i.e. evil.github.io cannot set a cookie for the domain .github.io, which would then be sent along with all requests to github.io websites.
< 1427574252 583808 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right
< 1427574255 209985 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MURAL CHICKEN
< 1427574265 810220 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm unsure what you're worried about here.
< 1427574321 860886 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browsers that don't use the Public Suffix List?
< 1427574343 122387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no
< 1427574346 858872 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cookies would still be for the wrong domains.
< 1427574368 441511 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the cookies contain the domains, so the servers can just ignore such cookies
< 1427574384 805646 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes.
< 1427574386 985481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A user-defined public suffix list is probably a better idea, although you can still provide lists of default values too
< 1427574396 224357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to guess what the public suffix list is for: https://publicsuffix.org/
< 1427574400 575752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says right there
< 1427574411 232847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the goal of the public suffix list is to prevent a DOS attack and possibly information leakage where a website would make your browser send a dozen large cookies to every site with a *.com domain
< 1427574415 202240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1427574443 600389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could never set cookies for *.com, anyway
< 1427574463 554347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Avoid privacy-damaging "supercookies" being set for high-level domain name suffixes " is what I was thinking about
< 1427574468 875201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1427574494 10854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1427574499 460757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm not sure what exactly I wrote that you think is wrong.
< 1427574613 147501 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that I didn't consider the DoS angle of attack.)
< 1427574674 546210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sorry, nothing, it's fine
< 1427574678 237773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wrote the right thing
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< 1427578097 987283 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1427578101 370001 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1427578112 334505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427578112 900405 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427578132 91775 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427578436 267956 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427578692 549970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have Family Channel on your television?
< 1427578756 368699 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1427578760 388924 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh ... how do I quote an @foo on github so it doesn't get treated as an @mention thing, but gets displayed as ordinary text?
< 1427578780 309891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know?
< 1427578793 829773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@foo` disables the @mention but adds some markup...
< 1427578794 811120 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: @foo`: not found
< 1427579015 209541 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries #github... sorry.
< 1427579018 355305 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Does \@foo not do that?
< 1427579047 711416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: unfortunately, no. The \ is displayed, and the @foo is treated as before.
< 1427579065 11246 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is quite broken.
< 1427579085 433534 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
< 1427579159 303485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I keep running into this because @ is lambdabot's command prefix. Using `` for it is okay-ish, but not what I want.)
< 1427579655 674010 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427580039 645412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Maybe @foo?
< 1427580849 635379 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1427580901 953169 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427581045 25263 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1427581291 440883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, #github is dead.
< 1427583136 18096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427583635 650934 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427583712 513274 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1427585272 280523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily fungot: I wouldn't mind cats or dogs or diamondies pouring down. as long as it isn't any more snow. <-- i suspect diamondies would be even harder on the car drivers. btw oslo was also unexpectedly hit by snow yesterday, complete chaos at the traditional start of easter vacation week.
< 1427585272 318145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427585272 400799 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: slime for scheme48: http://paste.lisp.org/ list
< 1427585274 222518 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-124.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427585296 349079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i already have more slime in my life than i need, thank you very much.
< 1427585296 473398 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it wasn't a dream).
< 1427585312 705191 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-124.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1427585312 705839 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427585329 147031 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427585387 152434 :scott!uid25790@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fnsnawfeineqwcwo JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427585409 217898 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1427585515 634519 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: eww
< 1427585515 741885 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no not fnord :p.) appears to be writing about the implementation.
< 1427585544 128574 :yorick!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427585544 434679 :yorick!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Changing host
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< 1427585728 194711 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1427586395 954970 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: adu
< 1427586474 80922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: putting an after the @ "works".
< 1427586484 728974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode @foo
< 1427586487 557454 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+0040 COMMERCIAL AT] [U+2060 WORD JOINER] [U+0066 LATIN SMALL LETTER F] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O]
< 1427586505 829850 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But may confuse people wanting to cut&paste. Oh well.
< 1427586533 176126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hey, i also use en_us.utf-8 for essentially the same reason.
< 1427586556 405417 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use en_GB.UTF-8 because why not
< 1427587260 113370 :roasted42!~appleseed@vc-nat-gp-s-41-13-10-74.umts.vodacom.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427587289 759129 :roasted42!~appleseed@vc-nat-gp-s-41-13-10-74.umts.vodacom.co.za QUIT :Changing host
< 1427587289 768165 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427587289 781266 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
< 1427587376 871062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I had an INVISIBLE TIMES there.
< 1427587396 399430 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh. I didn't see that :P
< 1427587406 96382 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode @foo
< 1427587407 19774 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+0040 COMMERCIAL AT] [U+2062 INVISIBLE TIMES] [U+0066 LATIN SMALL LETTER F] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O]
< 1427587439 835938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :may you live in
< 1427587462 408363 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode in
< 1427587463 367098 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+0069 LATIN SMALL LETTER I] [U+006E LATIN SMALL LETTER N] [U+0020 SPACE]
< 1427587471 463631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1427587520 215147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid irssi sticks the zero-width characters too closely to what's on their left
< 1427587539 248878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely thought DEL bypassed that, but apparently not
< 1427587607 995212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use the C locale because all of the others are no good
< 1427587622 635667 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1427587753 587594 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tricky. I had to select several lines in emacs to get this to paste. I saw something funny - emacs' cursor becomes narrow (1 pixel wide) when it's on a zero-width thing.
< 1427587770 366694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1427587812 125395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode
< 1427587812 972825 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+2062 INVISIBLE TIMES]
< 1427587824 142459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it was easy enough with gvim
< 1427587825 184751 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess the point is to distinguish axe from axe...
< 1427587842 112564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only because it makes no attempt to make that char actually zero-width...
< 1427587844 188224 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The former meaning a*x*e)
< 1427587899 871911 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually emacs is slightly bad - it makes the character one pixel wide.
< 1427588033 457544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the newest Magic: the Gathering new keywords, megamorph and exploit, and then, I try to think how to make up stuff that is using that.
< 1427588240 504698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinion is whether or not it makes it one pixel wide ought to depend on the font in use; that data should be included in the font metrics.
< 1427588277 628830 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fixed width font, I expect all characters to have a multiple of the base width as their width
< 1427588337 494273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In such case they ought to do that then and not misalign due to being one pixel wide
< 1427588346 966782 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's bad enough that double-width and zero-width characters exist, and don't bring up the half-wit space)
< 1427588395 84865 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would imagine half-width spaces are fullwidth in most monospace fonts?
< 1427588407 318518 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :boredom leads to this https://gist.github.com/izabera/818223f3ff7081052ed6
< 1427588409 149409 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think double-width isn't that bad, it's easy enough to deal with
< 1427588438 298896 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: you are a bad person :(
< 1427588459 789281 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1427588477 844343 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even the worst code i ever wrote
< 1427588571 513045 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about this https://gist.github.com/izabera/0205fe4507db17bd93f9
< 1427588630 132474 :TheM4ch1n3!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1427588795 664442 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute.
< 1427588829 235087 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^
< 1427588840 145494 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad it isn't a polyglot :p
< 1427588848 911991 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :bu neat
< 1427588850 667380 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but*
< 1427588896 135840 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess one could just add #declare then { #declare fi }
< 1427588901 867593 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be polyglot
< 1427588905 571185 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1427589034 102530 :roasted42!~appleseed@vc-nat-gp-s-41-13-0-89.umts.vodacom.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427589040 229275 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah dammit, the first line will never be valid c
< 1427589055 260996 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :bummer :P
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< 1427589059 185136 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
< 1427589077 601326 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: No route to host
< 1427589193 523250 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could remove the shebang and invoke it with "bash" or "clang" directly
< 1427589213 676260 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess so
< 1427589392 754995 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, without the shebang it's still executable for most purposes.
< 1427589437 892506 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a call to execlp or execvp, which is what's *mostly* used, then if the binary can't be understood then the libc passes it to the shell)
< 1427589543 74047 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the kernel that returns ENOEXEC
< 1427589551 177609 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the shell tries to eat it
< 1427589566 678016 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would also try to execute perl or python :\
< 1427590005 424217 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: No, what happens is: the kernel returns ENOEXEC if it's not a valid executable, and the libc implementation of execvp or execlp specifically calls /bin/sh $file.
< 1427590028 15472 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl or Python can't be run via this execution path, except if the shell script happens to say to.
< 1427590045 638526 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh uhm
< 1427590053 291460 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? i thought it was in a subshell
< 1427590062 955742 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know
< 1427590119 382361 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am confident, by which I mean "that's what the spec says, and also what's in the sixth edition Unix source".
< 1427590124 776009 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-foqonfgniebsygja QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1427590141 207678 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :6th edition D:
< 1427590143 435640 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't even born
< 1427590171 549505 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once a while back (it's somewhere in esoteric logs) I actually looked up how far back this behavior goes.
< 1427590181 139873 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped caring when I hit 6th edition.
< 1427590188 814058 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1427590202 965217 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Meh, it's basically forever"
< 1427590209 366646 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xpuwyiglhyaoqetq JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427590243 266580 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do NOT hardcode terminal escape sequences. Use tput with the cap-names from the table below to get the right code for your terminal." b-but.. all terminals today ought to support ECMA-35 anyway, so it shouldn't be a problem
< 1427590264 946299 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's the exec*p functions that do this.
< 1427590284 290186 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes, IMO you should just use the terminal codes these days.
< 1427590298 751160 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been half-thinking of doing a simple-curses that just does ECMA-35.
< 1427590321 537329 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nblessings
< 1427590338 752799 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, ECMA-48.
< 1427590349 525533 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECMA-35 is the charset switching junk.
< 1427590355 595798 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1427590361 883783 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECMA-48 is the terminal codes.
< 1427590364 511549 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mixed them up then
< 1427590384 140347 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer to *ECMA-35* is "Just use UTF-8." :)
< 1427590396 115347 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed
< 1427590459 496799 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that... "The name "ANSI escape sequence" dates from 1981 when ANSI adopted ECMA-48 as their standard, ANSI X3.64".
< 1427590530 283618 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks #esoteric
< 1427590619 78325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use VT100 character graphics for the G1 set and ASCII for the G0 set.
< 1427590653 66564 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish the terminal would somehow get metadata about from which process/task some particular output originated, instead of getting the output from the shell/all programs running in it interleaved in one stream
< 1427590685 440036 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda tricky though.
< 1427590702 425472 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The design of the Unix terminal system is entirely around old serial terminals.
< 1427590751 150983 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably still multiplex it in one stream in the end, but annotate with escape sequences somehow saying "the following is from the process with PID foo"
< 1427590768 901430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use pipes if you want to add such annotations in, is one way
< 1427590938 38529 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427591287 895819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow how time flies
< 1427591305 240850 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha same timezone
< 1427591328 415245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's simultaneous in most of europe
< 1427591351 116087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time izabera
< 1427591352 337268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for izabera is Sun, 29 Mar 2015 03:11:16 +0200
< 1427591359 147704 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O
< 1427591359 442715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1427591371 234455 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1427591372 118248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAMBDABOT SEES ALL
< 1427591402 971543 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sent a ctcp request >.>
< 1427591409 29998 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1427591423 718919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S JUST WHAT IT WANTS YOU TO THINK
< 1427591441 777719 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then it worked cause i'm totally thinking it :P
< 1427591532 127175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIENDISH
< 1427591544 73883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such a thing as a television show called "This is not a pipe"?
< 1427591564 536215 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uploads7.wikiart.org/images/rene-magritte/the-treachery-of-images-this-is-not-a-pipe-1948(2).jpg
< 1427591583 137819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed zzo38 already knew about the painting
< 1427591588 117585 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww
< 1427591597 727666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know about Magritte's paintings
< 1427591612 145556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have an esolang based on it, after all.
< 1427591685 357815 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1427591694 16776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I saw that too
< 1427591698 525571 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a bot command to search the wiki?
< 1427591712 402259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as far as I know.
< 1427591720 36445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: apparently there's at least a tv show _episode_ of "switched at birth"
< 1427591736 1267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google magritte site:esolangs.org
< 1427591736 964502 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Magritte
< 1427591737 85377 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Magritte - Esolang
< 1427591759 146698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To fix it you would make a SQLite interface for searching the wiki and then make that extension loadable by SQLite on HackEgo, and now you can search the wiki using SQL commands.
< 1427591771 454896 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's an impressive language :)
< 1427591793 307576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1427592104 190861 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Quit: That's what she said
< 1427592387 520316 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here I was hoping to go to bed at a reasonable time, and then I suddenly lose an hour
< 1427592608 903958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, we were merely fooling ourselves
< 1427592703 286304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427593046 567960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were just surprised by the DST switch happening at 01am instead of the 03am it does in Finland.
< 1427593282 978774 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so same time, really
< 1427593422 705739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, from the "same instant" point of view.
< 1427593429 70946 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :as oerjan said...
< 1427593468 407192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this client isn't doing DST.
< 1427593476 612834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: REDUNDANT TIME
< 1427593489 639522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's in "Etc/UTC" timezone.
< 1427593497 974555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astrolog requires setting DST manually
< 1427593521 14206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a danger of living in britain, surely
< 1427593572 515109 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"TIME TRAVELING CHICKEN"
< 1427593572 554186 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427593619 385470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I set this VPS in wintertime, and just assumed it was following local time. Though I guess for a VPS "Etc/UTC" is a sensible default.
< 1427594208 109278 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427594487 367389 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1427594654 656665 :TheM4ch1n3!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 QUIT :Quit: bye
< 1427595541 788833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: COPYCAT CHICKEN
< 1427596482 609372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1427597130 603591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many things are wrong with this picture? http://zzo38computer.org/img_12/vid2.jpg
< 1427597410 50199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero.
< 1427597539 592356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two contradictory specifications of the duration, for one thing. The title, pictures, and description are from three different movies.
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< 1427598410 867856 :Zefphex!~hhs@wscc-208-115-94-228.smartcity.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I aam att emerald city comic con
< 1427598415 23642 :Zefphex!~hhs@wscc-208-115-94-228.smartcity.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iiiam lost
< 1427598418 219304 :Zefphex!~hhs@wscc-208-115-94-228.smartcity.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whop
< 1427599159 599564 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: sleep
< 1427599431 204863 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xpuwyiglhyaoqetq QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1427599491 574817 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. If I'm not mistaken, there's only one totally ordered set S, up to order isomorphism, with the following two properties.
< 1427599554 850825 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every subset of S has a least upper bound; and there exists a countable subset T of S such that given two distinct points in S, there is an element of T between them.
< 1427599563 756565 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-dymobzyxzsvjbzdm JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427599771 498241 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say this because Wikipedia says this:
< 1427599773 861634 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is a theorem that any linear continuum with a countable dense subset and no maximum or minimum element is order-isomorphic to the real line."
< 1427599824 88677 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427600528 85502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: these bash things are disgusting. I love it
< 1427600680 199906 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427600909 736504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Is there an element of T between them?
< 1427600924 143198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see
< 1427601308 349909 :dianne!~diannes@unaffiliated/dianne JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427602609 361636 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1427604442 220778 :nisstyre!~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host
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< 1427607876 426995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the picture of a grid of Java/C/PHP/Ruby/Haskell as seen by the fans of those programming languages; now make up the new one, to also include more programming language, such as: C++, SQL, INTERCAL, Perl, Python, BASIC, Forth, Lisp, Scheme, assembly language, TeX, LaTeX, and possibly a few others.
< 1427608256 346102 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1427608989 46873 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45c7:74aa:917f:8c54 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1427609781 19666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/img_10/quickbasicerror.png
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< 1427612898 78118 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :darthvader
< 1427612925 904452 :darthvader!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera NICK :izabera
< 1427613968 964535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: good disguise
< 1427613987 558399 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1427615504 263409 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1427616127 888964 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: Hug~♪
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< 1427617365 297988 :J_Arcane!~chatzilla@dsl-trebrasgw1-50dff2-22.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427618728 473042 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-uxjwhcbbdkutldvw QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1427620551 234563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever heard of a TV show called "Slug Terra"?
< 1427621033 643070 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1427621103 408881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never heard of such thing until a week ago, and that was at the night time, which enabled me to notice something that I probably wouldn't have otherwise noticed.
< 1427621198 591730 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427621463 722297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what kind of stuff I would notice due to such thing?
< 1427622084 115144 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i promise i will stop spamming this but i made it so much better https://gist.github.com/izabera/818223f3ff7081052ed6
< 1427622238 731690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I will look
< 1427622262 927071 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1427625384 49046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427625632 964970 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427625650 740321 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1427627478 994564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and iiiam lost <-- just look for the foglios hth
< 1427627544 725726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :booth 704 hth
< 1427627695 622664 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1427627716 148982 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how helpful this advice can be, 8 hours after the plea for help :)
< 1427627734 226365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while he's not on the channel
< 1427627750 926031 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how can you fit 500 sheep in a truck?
< 1427627751 19797 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: have you ever been to europe?
< 1427627794 377341 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes
< 1427627794 420783 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: perhaps in one of my favourites!!! eheheheheeh and which were exact. expect you have to
< 1427627796 249790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, maybe _someone_ here is there. although why they'd then be reading the channel messages i don't know.
< 1427627831 598145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hey not _all_ europeans know how to handle sheep badly.
< 1427627831 839431 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but what about ( for a hcoop account, in case you have destroyed the fnord of a
< 1427627835 76887 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Gotta go for now
< 1427627880 4524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :destroying fnords, a life mission
< 1427627900 612622 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: maybe... http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/sheep-rain-down-on-cars-as-truck-tips-over-highway-20120531-1zl0w.html
< 1427627902 781413 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, the news says that today the trailer of a truck on the highway has tipped to the side, and that half of the 500 sheep the truck had carried has died
< 1427627925 916297 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah, a different similar accident
< 1427627957 582527 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://www.hirado.hu/2015/03/29/kamionbaleset-miatt-lezarjak-az-m7-est-zalakomarnal/ is today's news
< 1427627969 591793 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be easier with dead sheep, I presume. Though perhaps you want to cool the bodies then, and then it becomes harder again.
< 1427627994 695177 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the news specifically says the sheep died in the accident, so they were probably alive before
< 1427628005 872580 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe the trailer tipped because there were too many sheep
< 1427628033 613277 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already scary how a double-decker bus can carry 80 humans, and that's without a trailer
< 1427628039 884763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate, do not let me down now
< 1427628106 673175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw in the newspaper about modern cruiseships, putting 5000 people on a boat no matter how safe sounds like tempting fate to me
< 1427628158 61512 :H2O1!~user3@unaffiliated/myfree JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427628165 583422 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, it's scarier with humans these days because with humans you assume the intention is to deliver all of them alive
< 1427628173 827928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_assume_
< 1427628174 334244 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas with sheep or slaves you can't be sure about that
< 1427628196 479168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome H2O1
< 1427628237 167034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whacks HackEgo upside the head
< 1427628269 955848 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07H2O1: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04 god damn it these earbuds have too much bass <-- bass are inferior to babel fishes, anyhow <-- that's a multitude of several fish?
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< 1427631354 599023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: wat
< 1427631423 312277 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot the idiot https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202858
< 1427631441 628089 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google plural of fish
< 1427631442 578582 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://grammarist.com/usage/fish-fishes/
< 1427631442 579017 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Fish vs. fishes - Grammarist
< 1427631479 210687 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: . o O ( Why does my monitor turn into a mirror when I visit that page? )
< 1427631506 822861 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1427631641 557926 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny nick, superusersdo
< 1427632238 525260 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like mustard with your sausage, fungot?
< 1427632238 684399 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ok, depending on what you mean by persistance...) ( span...)) is
< 1427632247 480578 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, he's having a lisp again
< 1427632449 355568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungoth
< 1427632449 588960 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: functions, macros, that can be done with the engine... the scsh wiki doesn't even have a compare-and-swap? :)
< 1427632471 451225 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
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< 1427634833 458129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: sounds like that has to be isomorphic to a closed interval
< 1427634869 909873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett sounds like that has to be isomorphic to a closed interval
< 1427634869 910906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1427634943 382892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldr
< 1427634944 303241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foldable t => (a -> b -> b) -> b -> t a -> b
< 1427634955 810773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Prelude.foldr
< 1427634956 841029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foldable t => (a -> b -> b) -> b -> t a -> b
< 1427634966 435318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1427635115 470909 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yup.
< 1427635175 61462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a simple way to prove it is to find an isomorphism between your T and the rationals in some interval
< 1427635228 747732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stern-brocot tree, say
< 1427635280 20082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "some" is because you didn't specify whether T might contain the maximum or minimum)
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< 1427635374 318122 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, a one-element set has both those properties as well.
< 1427635383 396586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...
< 1427635391 454710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish
< 1427635407 207657 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, say also that the minimum and the maximum must be distinct.
< 1427635433 224489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"at least two elements"
< 1427635437 517687 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that.
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< 1427635527 243365 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, the "given two points in S, there's an element of T between them" thing lets you come up with a monomorphism from the rationals in [0, 1] to T, assuming that T has at least two points.
< 1427635727 272109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because T is countable, it's not hard to make it onto as well
< 1427635736 661756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo end points
< 1427635835 802751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, if T is a sequence you get a constructive map
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< 1427636240 570962 :roasted42!~appleseed@unaffiliated/them4ch1n3 NICK :TheM4ch1n3
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< 1427638300 807618 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome TheM4ch1n3
< 1427638311 815992 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud
< 1427638311 959725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 14h 43m 58s ago: fungot: I wouldn't mind cats or dogs or diamondies pouring down. as long as it isn't any more snow. <-- i suspect diamondies would be even harder on the car drivers. btw oslo was also unexpectedly hit by snow yesterday, complete chaos at the traditional start of easter vacation week.
< 1427638312 12250 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04TheM4ch1n3: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13 key.
< 1427647920 390388 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no, it's ε actually. "ɛ" is the pronunciation symbol that looks the same.
< 1427647973 936675 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least may look the same, depending on the font you use for greek letters)
< 1427648056 223752 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on people, don't keep mixing up similar looking characters
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< 1427649504 315614 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hollerith strings have an additional problem. Consider 2"私 which is valid if the encoding is shift-jis, but the number needs to be 3 in utf-8
< 1427649623 312241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't too much of a problem if one program uses one character encoding for one string literal.
< 1427649643 290192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that changing the encoding isn't allowed.
< 1427649671 686720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is independent of whether or not the programming language cares about encoding or not.)
< 1427649757 756120 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. as long as code is never converted from one encoding to another there is no problem
< 1427649782 608139 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you could get a modifier by abusing ISO_Group_Latch
< 1427649833 267123 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`α
< 1427649834 319755 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.u ε
< 1427649838 474779 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: α: not found
< 1427649850 307180 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, what channel was that a command in.
< 1427649856 669143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and my opinion is that the code shouldn't be converted from one encoding to another.
< 1427649868 452021 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :αλφαβετ
< 1427649905 372003 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: whoops. I meant to say ε, not ε.
< 1427649921 45253 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: those are the same
< 1427649928 496000 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, rather.
< 1427649936 867530 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they look the same to me
< 1427649948 994634 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ɛ vs. ε
< 1427649949 739681 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to say "I meant to say ε, not ɛ.", not "I meant to say ε, not ε."
< 1427649990 305778 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: shouldn't the number refer to the number of characters following rather than the number of bytes following?
< 1427650000 469731 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows code is made of characters, not bytes.
< 1427650017 73310 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it rather hard to allow strings in several encodings?
< 1427650050 660726 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think lenght-prefixed isn't very user-friendly in a source language
< 1427650063 235851 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :length-prefixed, even
< 1427650068 479685 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, in the middle of some source code that's in one encoding, embed a string literal that's in a different encoding in order to get those bytes?
< 1427650091 758769 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows strings are made of characters, not bytes.
< 1427650114 32353 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: now nest that two more levels exponentially, and put ∈ in somewhere!
< 1427650122 48386 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, consider a program that has to operate in China (with utf-16) and japan (with shift-jis)
< 1427650160 523262 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no such thing as an encoding-independent "character"
< 1427650219 634028 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just mandate one of the Unicode encoding as the True Encoding for source files
< 1427650235 960213 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode has han unification
< 1427650324 280962 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefly: and mandate conversion at run time from unicode to local encoding?
< 1427650391 998625 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :encodign conversions are not fast
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< 1427650497 960771 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better to keep string for each locale in its local encoding
< 1427650610 897650 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that many multibyte encodings such as UTF-16 can't be mixed with ascii properly without hollerith, because the byte " can occur as part of a character
< 1427650851 580865 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought encoding conversion was fast enough usually
< 1427650857 54026 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the encoding I suppose
< 1427650900 159109 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode normalization is I believe the main problem.
< 1427650929 923851 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's true I suppose
< 1427650973 22591 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversion of shift-jis TO unicode is easy
< 1427651006 307878 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode in general can't be converted back
< 1427651108 952812 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which isn't usually a problem, but if you care about distinctions that unicode doesn't carea bout after normalization...)
< 1427651187 528104 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happens if I convert a string with french accents in it into shift-jis
< 1427651288 39298 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not simply refuse to even deal in not-UTF-8?
< 1427651303 990008 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And leave legacy charsets for legacy applications.
< 1427651344 536654 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are uncoding used today which aren't utf-8
< 1427651367 615791 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows uses UTF-16 for non-english, for exaple
< 1427651370 69259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally you should not use this Hollerith notation anyways, so isn't too much problem
< 1427651387 603425 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's a massive bug on Windows' part.
< 1427651403 822827 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to you
< 1427651407 494218 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(keeping in mind, of course, that UTF-16 <-> UTF-8 is lossless for valid strings)
< 1427651441 797749 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and much of the japanese internet uses Shift-JIS
< 1427651444 566437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should mandate ASCII as the True Encoding for source files
< 1427651458 273843 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift-JIS is also dying in Japan. Quite rapidly.
< 1427651460 951281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And allow UTF-8 and PC character set and stuff too, but disallow UTF-16
< 1427651465 208486 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mojibake sucks.
< 1427651479 605209 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's easy if you're in an english-speaking country
< 1427651489 357545 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :still somewhat easy in a european country
< 1427651501 778725 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a latin-based orthography)
< 1427651512 476389 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it quickly gets more impractical..
< 1427651599 866442 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: what kind of distinctions, by the way?
< 1427651622 396971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the programming language isn't using non-English words in general, then you should use ASCII as the input character set. String literals and comments can use other encodings, or even just written in a ASCII representation and converted to other encodings using macros (you can even convert UTF-8 to UTF-16 using macros then). Also some things just aren't in Unicode anyways, and Unicode normalization and stuff confuses everything
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< 1427651678 831600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless if a comment is written in UTF-8 or Shift-JIS or ISO-8859-1 or whatever, the compiler shouldn't care. Same if it is a string literal it shouldn't care.
< 1427651690 239473 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with that
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< 1427651743 807751 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some string literal syntaxes don't work with certain encodings
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< 1427652066 499863 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Shift-JIS make distinctions that Unicode doesn't?
< 1427652072 451771 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1427652084 68944 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :No known charsets do.
< 1427652127 688836 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I don't see any obvious problem with saying that your source code consists of a sequence of Unicode characters.
< 1427652129 372915 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if they do, "a charset makes this distinction" is reason enough to add a char to Unicode.
< 1427652242 522784 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, my impression is that Unicode cares a lot about translation into Unicode being reversible.
< 1427652269 164202 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversion of unicode back to shift-jis, is the problem, because in orer for source code to convert properly, it involves lots of normalization
< 1427652294 62124 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no?
< 1427652303 826625 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't necessary if you KNOW your code consists only of sjis compatible characters
< 1427652328 638875 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the compiler can't know that
< 1427652387 572547 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, because unicode contains lots of characters that sjis doesn't distinguish
< 1427652441 879669 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget kanji, consider math-greek vs. greek?
< 1427652446 747704 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is incredibly unlikely in the process of compilation that the compiler magically introduced a bunch of characters that aren't in SJIS.
< 1427652473 672758 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or that it's freaking relevant -- why does the compiler have to be converting jack shit back to SJIS?)
< 1427652511 204213 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you are converting at run time... which needs to be even more general
< 1427652541 374426 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You... probably do otherwise.
< 1427652567 5336 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you are providing a damned weird execution environment where you're compile-time Unicode but run-time SJIS.
< 1427652578 13390 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: are you saying that conversion from SJIS to Unicode is not reversible?
< 1427652604 680214 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: They are saying that SJIS->Unicode->COMPILER MAGIC->SJIS may not work.
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< 1427652625 748948 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because a compiler is *really* going to magically introduce a bunch of random Unicode codepoints that aren't in SJIS.
< 1427652628 324653 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct, not if you want to use the same system for general unicode-to-sjis as for "unicode from sjis"->sjis
< 1427652675 526670 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it is like you need a data type for "unicode, but guearanteed to have only the chars from sjis in it"
< 1427652688 414347 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite amused, BTW, that you're arguing this with SJIS of all things. That is perhaps the single worst legacy charset in existence.
< 1427652780 522058 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: I don't suppose you could give an example of some text where the SJIS-to-Unicode-to-SJIS conversion would fail?
< 1427652791 531624 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SJIS is USED. WIDELY. I don't know where you're getting your information, but the PC games I bought last year don't work under wine becasue I need SJIS.
< 1427652816 512793 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*siiigh* Windows boogs.
< 1427652838 782189 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :SJIS is *used*, yes. SJIS is also *objectively terrible*.
< 1427652845 227235 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that's not the problem. the problem is that it would be slow because unicode is complicated
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< 1427652901 727537 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.musl-libc.org/cgit/musl/tree/src/locale/iconv.c I dunno, that doesn't look that bad.
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< 1427653068 436116 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by the by, here is Windows' fundamental execution model: everything, *everything* is Unicode. For purposes of legacy compat it has a number of legacy-charset functions that convert strings to/from Unicode before calling the real ones.)
< 1427653094 878641 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0
< 1427653128 789557 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that Japanese programs happen to only ever use the legacy functions is, well, a bug.)
< 1427653143 584358 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: according to you.
< 1427653195 266886 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme find the MSDN page.
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< 1427653293 718623 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though it ends up being really obvious this is the way it *has* to work if you're familiar at all with NT internals)
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< 1427653302 780644 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv -fUTF-8 -tSHIFT-JIS | iconv -fSHIFT-JIS -tUTF-8 fails on a lot of stuff
< 1427653325 224656 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more than likely the first bit that fails.
< 1427653345 234651 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv -fSHIFT-JIS -tUTF-8 | iconv -fUTF-8 -tSHIFT-JIS should round-trip.
< 1427653348 842993 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fails on stuff that is supported in both charsets
< 1427653356 834260 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullshit.
< 1427653458 119576 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric : try that
< 1427653469 411882 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh...
< 1427653471 990354 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecoe
< 1427653478 610573 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unidecoe: not found
< 1427653481 427245 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode
< 1427653504 181406 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+E60A - No such unicode character name in database \ UTF-8: ee 98 8a UTF-16BE: e60a Decimal: \ () \ Uppercase: U+E60A \ Category: Co (Other, Private Use) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right)
< 1427653516 704989 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF char is that supposed to be?
< 1427653598 175488 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... is not even remotely valid shift-jis.
< 1427653638 444410 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about hisone 誧
< 1427653653 295038 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rikai.com/library/kanjitables/kanji_codes.sjis.shtml
< 1427653711 400967 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for clarification, the char you output the first time was 0xEE 0x98 0x8a. Which is *not a legal encoding in Shift-JIS*)
< 1427653744 198081 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 誧
< 1427653745 83404 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+8AA7 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-8AA7]
< 1427653825 941992 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fuck is wrong with glibc iconv?
< 1427653852 719072 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fucking Unicode tables have that mapping.
< 1427653967 732051 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for the love of
< 1427653988 260913 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shift-JIS" to glibc iconf refers to an old version of Shift-JIS that did not have the character.
< 1427653996 783188 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1427654003 755148 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains that
< 1427654009 691888 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv -fUTF-8 -tshift_jisx0213
< 1427654179 924084 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a weird name, since the official sources call it shift-jis-2004
< 1427654205 652121 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, it makes sence
< 1427654217 958317 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a standard from 2004, entitled JISx0213.
< 1427654249 413149 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think glibc much coordinates with your official source.
< 1427654252 99014 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IETF?)
< 1427654380 276135 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://x0213.org/. JISx0213 is a character set, Shift-jis is a method of encoding it. JISx0213 is like unicode, Shift-jis is like uft-8
< 1427654397 137499 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, shift-jis-2004
< 1427654420 117705 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.
< 1427654447 663993 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :JISx0213 does include a definition of Shift-JIS IIRC.
< 1427654459 102677 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, suppose I could just check, you did link to it. :)
< 1427654504 42 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the encoding table. they apparently have added a lot of characters to unicode to ensure compatibility
< 1427654552 411352 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. Unicode policy is that charsets should roundtrip, and country charsets cooperate to ensure this.
< 1427654564 576348 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, quite clearly defines Shift-JIS but also as "Shift-JIS-2004".
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< 1427655325 272440 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno if they are cooperating. The jis-213 plane 2 characters 85-84 to 85-87 (that is, four variants of the grass radical) appear to spell out "fuck you han unifaction" to me
< 1427655374 50494 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah.
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< 1427657956 258891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you write any UNIX-style filter programs much, or do you do other ways?
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< 1427658928 317990 :TieSoul!~quassel@86.89.119.147 NICK :TieSleep
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< 1427660945 342337 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually write programs as filters if they only have one input and one output.
< 1427661149 923150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it seem as suitable for many things, to have one input and one output.
< 1427661356 525668 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. What does virtual void shade(Ray3D&) = 0; mean in C++
< 1427661390 192669 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm initializing the memeber funtion to zero?
< 1427661415 648477 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07~ATH14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42240&oldid=42226 5* 03SuperJedi224 5* (+0) 10
< 1427661476 151611 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: It means it's a pure virtual function.
< 1427661486 772894 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it means the virtual function MUST be overridden?
< 1427661490 807692 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1427661528 48005 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit weird, but more-or-less what that's doing is setting the vtable entry for the class to 0.
< 1427661541 175148 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. that is a dumb syntax, but in a language where you bit-shift files by varibles, I can deal.
< 1427661547 510760 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1427663343 19915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do vtables in C++ have to store functions or can you put other stuff in?
< 1427663596 748311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like what?
< 1427663617 90849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as constants, I suppose
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< 1427664488 774704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even in C, make something a bit like QueryInterface and using interface IDs made with macros and stuff. Still this is different than IUnknown; the pointer here is only to a constant vtable, or null if the interface is not supported; actually much simpler than Microsoft's version. But, I would be using some GNU extensions here, such as zero-length arrays.
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< 1427666735 879872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : tswett: to return ( 1... 10) and then under my name point out the damage that regular bikes can do to prevent crimes from happening, and when <-- this sounds reasonable but what happened to _our_ regular bike?
< 1427666735 966314 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are those all volunteers? " smerdyakov" " richter") t
< 1427666777 949468 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you hae a regular bike?
< 1427666778 76874 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: err never mind. :) :( :( :( :(
< 1427666843 867349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: WHAT DID YOU DO TO BIKE
< 1427666844 9695 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the only problem was not showing any of the other
< 1427667153 556018 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, bike is a person!
< 1427667160 447089 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was, depending on fungot
< 1427667160 745598 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: unless after all these months i cant stand 4chan was the first step in converting infix to prefix notation
< 1427668205 801226 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the first step in converting infix to prefix is the google "[name of language] precedence table"
< 1427668251 184197 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suppose if I posted it to 4chan Hitler will answer my quaestion
< 1427668584 163021 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what did you do to Bike?
< 1427668584 508577 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: c) execution time exceeds some limit on identifier length, there's a pdf somewhere with it.
< 1427668595 573898 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1427668695 502753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a government conspiracy.
< 1427672462 576950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a C code to work objects supporting multiple interfaces: http://sprunge.us/aUEL
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< 1427679670 473989 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: chicken?
< 1427679670 658442 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i thought you were wanting to write up a complete stranger based solely on the arguments.
< 1427679692 328012 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, just post-modern associative chickenny vocabularism.
< 1427679692 424715 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i have a question about erc. do you do
< 1427679702 972063 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, I don't. what's erc twh?
< 1427679703 92362 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ha, i thought it was to become popular, it seems. :) i was just guessing!!
< 1427679713 71036 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: np.
< 1427679713 71919 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: so k is ignored entirely
< 1427679728 497632 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: perhaps. «k» isn't really French, you know.
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< 1427680875 438075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
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< 1427680916 685334 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodboily
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< 1427680925 175205 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily
< 1427680929 528452 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA!
< 1427680941 670795 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it bedtime?
< 1427680943 21505 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to sleep, but I have the cookies. will send you something canadian shortly.
< 1427680949 243575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just found out
< 1427680949 486501 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup. lots of work tomorrow!
< 1427680959 820546 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i can buy maple leaf cookies at the corner store
< 1427680965 589591 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT?
< 1427680971 267472 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna bed as well
< 1427680982 970719 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well.
< 1427680998 695496 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight! dreams of the Great White North!
< 1427681004 168555 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1427681007 996416 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodboilye
< 1427681016 845960 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinne nuitopia!
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< 1427692658 828201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot easily duplicate schedules on the VCR, I have to rekey them each time. (It is possible to set a repeating schedule, but then it juts repeats forever and doesn't have many other options.)
< 1427692693 499765 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VCR?
< 1427692699 796100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1427692707 468156 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for VHS tapes?
< 1427692736 160453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1427692750 491429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it is a VCR/DVD combo
< 1427692758 211220 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1427692764 282238 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea about the scheduler
< 1427692773 232034 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just curious, because its so rare today to hear about VHS
< 1427692820 853063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I still use it, mostly for recording, but also can be used for watching other older movies and so on
< 1427692870 995685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is a recording I intend to keep then I will use DVD though.
< 1427693005 300491 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best editors for VHS were commodore ammigas
< 1427693008 852488 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those video toaster rigs
< 1427693031 869613 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew a guy that kept one until like 2008 (and used it) for doing transfers and edits on old svhs stuff
< 1427693071 109497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen a manual for Video Toaster
< 1427693090 88096 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well newtek began on the amiga
< 1427693109 618349 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :video toasters, lightwave and the late Aura paint (and currently TVPaint) were all amiga staples
< 1427693159 161254 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good old days of 68060 processors that run 25mhz and carried the BBS into the basement
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< 1427693920 395093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's what depression means? OK
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< 1427696260 142698 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://core.suckless.org
< 1427696594 684855 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh awesome.
< 1427696681 819956 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe :P
< 1427696727 398207 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is pleased, though not surprised, that they're not doubling up on efforts when there's actually something in the wild that does what they want without sucking.
< 1427696891 642838 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though sadly (if understandably) their rm does not conform to POSIX.
< 1427696915 256140 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know: rm -r is required to delete trees of arbitrary depth?
< 1427696923 629827 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure?
< 1427696953 525000 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :their rm does support -r
< 1427696958 537663 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the issue?
< 1427696968 573971 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it only supports deleting file trees of limited depth.
< 1427696973 424248 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implicit, but limited depth.
< 1427696988 596249 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of a stack overflow or running out of file descriptors will cause it to fail.
< 1427696995 143728 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wow
< 1427697040 3644 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX explicitly requires rm, and only rm, to literally deal with directory trees of *unbound* depth.
< 1427697086 733216 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that they fail to meet this requirement is pretty understandable. It's possible to do, even portably and fairly safely, but it's dang *tricky*.
< 1427697087 715606 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also rmdir
< 1427697103 189076 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also several others i believe
< 1427697129 76883 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ls
< 1427697160 261438 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, not really. For all other utils POSIX doesn't require such behavior.
< 1427697185 857642 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The rm utility shall be able to descend to arbitrary depths in a file hierarchy, and shall not fail due to path length limitations (unless an operand specified by the user exceeds system limitations)."
< 1427697236 996316 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :This requirement is unique to rm. In part because you can't possibly meet it ordinarily.
< 1427697273 23011 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1427697283 64456 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm, it's possible because you do not have to worry about visiting any node repeatedly.
< 1427697324 215327 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh ok
< 1427697363 570748 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can literally just hold an fd referring to the top of the tree and do a depth-first search of the hierarchy, deleting everything you see.
< 1427697381 110182 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you get to the bottom just do an fchdir back to the top of the tree.
< 1427697401 167556 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a pretty *inefficient* implementation, and you can do much better than that, but it's the simplest one that's correct)
< 1427697409 39147 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who runs the Heaven's Gate website?
< 1427697423 118097 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything else you can "merely" deal in quite sizable trees.
< 1427697440 561447 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: A former member of Heaven's Gate.
< 1427697532 604480 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks pro-Heaven's Gate though, unless they're keeping it up for archival purposes
< 1427697542 636434 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's precisely why they're keeping it up.
< 1427697562 298780 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1427697588 391962 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current contents of the site are literally an edit to it that was made shortly before the cult committed mass suicide.
< 1427697646 807054 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also interesting, apparently that "hard copy editions may be ordered" blurb is still true.
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< 1427698094 475144 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may have to write some patches for sbase
< 1427698123 153389 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *after* I finish my current, nasty project.
< 1427698133 617187 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one?
< 1427698147 48375 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows.h for musl-on-Windows.
< 1427698160 107475 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it was nasty. :)
< 1427698178 450030 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't even know that musl was ported to windows
< 1427698184 528023 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIP.
< 1427698205 361185 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job i guess
< 1427698227 894601 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. No more dealing with the nastiness of mingw.
< 1427698250 31877 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i started programming with mingw :(
< 1427698261 312766 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :in high school, with dev-c++
< 1427698272 190273 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds himself still a little mind-blown at the not-suck fork() implementation
< 1427698371 275213 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme tell you something that's windows related: yesterday i wanted to watch a movie w/ my family on my father's computer but the movie didn't fit in my usb pendrive
< 1427698386 267193 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah of course it takes a minute with dd to split it
< 1427698394 722071 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i went to his computer with windows
< 1427698401 766214 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck do i join the pieces?
< 1427698421 317606 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ended up downloading cygwin to have cat -_-
< 1427698434 311647 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loves windows
< 1427698441 540000 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy /b files... dest
< 1427698454 373903 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there was a way? -_-
< 1427698467 742248 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you have a single file as a destination DOS copy concatenates the files.
< 1427698469 477408 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1427698492 41695 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well first of all that's fucking misleading
< 1427698518 686386 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody accused DOS of being even remotely reasonable. :)
< 1427698657 839928 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though its command prompt is rather more featureful than you might expect.
< 1427698687 671761 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure -.-
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< 1427698689 394471 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they straight-up copied Unix's file redirection syntax)
< 1427698704 870290 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't accuse it of being good.
< 1427698719 642613 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed I dare say it's the worst CLI that you're likely to come across.
< 1427698744 465474 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually tried to use rc as a shell
< 1427698754 161996 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's got a lot of features hidden behind the scenes that people might not expect it to have.
< 1427698784 164487 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC rc's not bad, but it is gonna confuse the heck out of you if you expect a Bourne-esque shell.
< 1427698784 511759 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advantage: switch case syntax is decent instead of that crap of case/esac of the bourne shell that we still have today
< 1427698792 658441 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the disadvantage: everything else
< 1427698809 559794 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's also designed around the Plan9 environment, leaving it rather crippled on Unix.
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< 1427698825 671326 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's talk about plan9
< 1427698830 800165 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan9 is awful
< 1427698836 150053 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it doesn't have any form of editing... because that's in Plan9's terminal layer.
< 1427698840 41136 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait lemme post something
< 1427698844 97736 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's got a lot of interesting ideas.
< 1427698867 481080 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only intersting idea is to return a string -_-
< 1427698869 492977 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (quite reasonably) everyone's gone out and pilfered the ideas from Plan9 that aren't terrible.
< 1427698884 181084 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is kill(1) from plan9port
< 1427698886 160154 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arin.ga/hEooLf
< 1427698896 638454 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's all that interesting about it, is no longer all that interesting because it's just stuff you expect.
< 1427698911 793561 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ plan9 kill bash
< 1427698914 82998 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/kill 317 # izabera 317 07:44 0:00 5104K wait bash
< 1427698916 138960 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/kill 398 # izabera 398 07:46 0:00 3248K wait bash
< 1427698918 47690 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/kill 428 # izabera 428 07:46 0:18 3316K pipe_w bash
< 1427698925 407139 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kill >>prints<< stuff
< 1427698929 993521 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you're supposed to pipe to rc
< 1427698938 612281 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will call the actual kill program
< 1427698952 424519 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe how dumb it is
< 1427699038 407241 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah. Plan9 defeats all your reasonable expectations of behavior, because it's what happens when you take a simple design philosophy, use it as much as possible, and damn expectations of familiarity *or* ease of use. :)
< 1427699069 27870 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an academic research project and boy is it obvious.
< 1427699075 242967 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok but -.-
< 1427699093 509780 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i hate their mouse driven interface for everything but that's just me
< 1427699136 305867 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :also their wm is fugly but again that's just my opinion
< 1427699169 555967 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its GUI is something only a user of pre-Mac GUIs could love.
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< 1427699212 427559 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you might expect considering it's a direct descendent of a pre-Mac GUI. :)
< 1427699218 676059 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lol
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< 1427699297 202788 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rio's basically the spiritual successor to the Blit terminal (which was a graphics terminal designed by Rob Pike for use with 8th Edition Unix).
< 1427699308 622701 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... From 1982.
< 1427699338 78619 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 10 years younger ._.
< 1427699352 215896 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no, I won't pretend Plan9 is a bastion of good design. But by god it's got a lot of interesting bits in it.
< 1427699405 121011 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Course, a decent number of the *good* interesting bits have become standard parts of Unix systems, though maybe not implemented as well.
< 1427699416 649885 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most obviously is /proc.
< 1427699434 843183 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :does osx have /proc ?
< 1427699448 839880 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1427699460 438571 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never used a mac
< 1427699479 547272 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh blah *no* it doesn't.
< 1427699494 980036 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the one that doesn't, huh.
< 1427699531 816699 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Solaris, IRIX, Tru64, all the BSDs, Linux, AIX, and QNX, but *not* OS X.
< 1427699533 273050 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're too used to linux :P
< 1427699609 563157 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in *4.4* BSD no less. Huh.
< 1427699665 590267 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose NeXT just forked too late to import it and nobody bothered adding it.
< 1427699698 60496 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, modern-ish Unices without /proc: OS X, HPUX.
< 1427699743 720831 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happy calling that a de facto standard considering that neither of those even implement POSIX 2008. :P
< 1427700037 381985 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a userland that's strictly posix compliant and nothing more?
< 1427700064 826341 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/userland/system/
< 1427700127 357586 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no. POSIX omits certain details that you might reasonably expect.
< 1427700132 161063 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... such as mount(1).
< 1427700159 608588 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let me revert back to userland
< 1427700195 569187 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be interested in a full set of utilities that are exactly posix and nothing more
< 1427700245 986453 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too will have some omissions that will shock you, as well as differences in behavior between common implementations and what POSIX says.
< 1427700254 995173 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :DID YOU KNOW: tar is not specified in POSIX 2008.
< 1427700260 793216 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it
< 1427700267 243254 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpio
< 1427700273 833621 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor is cpio.
< 1427700278 937024 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1427700284 146290 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a sec
< 1427700287 832055 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-foantvptrmatpseq QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1427700289 96157 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :pax is
< 1427700292 39833 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other thing
< 1427700296 161685 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ar?
< 1427700302 235165 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1427700316 249255 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file format of ar is not at all specified, only its interaction with the C compiler.
< 1427700342 776316 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the C compiler reads .zip archives, ar could be a zip archiver for all that POSIX cares.
< 1427700348 835118 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And zcat is specified, but it does not deal in gzip files.
< 1427700392 984890 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ykgjjaxxuapawcwc JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427700418 912757 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427700496 176437 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are the most interesting omissions or complete differences in behavior from what you might expect.
< 1427700523 578238 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's other utils that are missing of course, but those are mostly ones relevant to system administration but not necessarily normal use.
< 1427700545 988542 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ones that are pretty obviously not standard utils but just common on distros, like md5sum. :)
< 1427700554 474815 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or free
< 1427700615 841649 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I find really bizarre is some of the utils that POSIX *does* specify even though it has no real point in doing so.
< 1427700629 562905 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it specifies SCCS.
< 1427700636 922933 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's legacy
< 1427700641 586126 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may know that as the predecessor to the predecessor of CVS.
< 1427700648 26729 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't get rid of it
< 1427700668 806665 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But POSIX does not need to specify it, now does it?
< 1427700685 758179 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeping in mind that they *don't specify tar anymore*.
< 1427700686 511078 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that standard is more descriptive than prescriptive
< 1427700700 279108 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, "anymore". They *used to*.)
< 1427700746 707969 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it also mostly subsets what it describes to what's got a point in being described, rather than describing what happens to be common to all Unices.
< 1427700810 911617 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427700865 951922 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Hence why it has interesting bits like "the only file that POSIX requires to exist is /dev/null".
< 1427700945 968995 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"//C:\POSIX\sh" would be a 100% conformant if bizarre path for the shell to be at.
< 1427700958 940061 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's not true
< 1427700979 717789 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :posix requires /dev/zero /dev/null /dev/full and /dev/tty
< 1427700984 441609 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /tmp to be writeable
< 1427700991 370421 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, derp so it does. I missed a couple.
< 1427701012 108393 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/null is the memorable one to me for some reason. Go figure.
< 1427701017 616316 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1427701056 422086 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And come to think of it, I doubt you can get away with atypical path separators even in //.
< 1427701209 887278 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nope, that's still allowed.
< 1427701219 416486 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If a pathname begins with two successive characters, the first component following the leading characters may be interpreted in an implementation-defined manner, although more than two leading characters shall be treated as a single character."
< 1427701257 901784 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But //C:\POSIX/bin\sh wouldn't really work. Hrm.
< 1427701293 633157 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dirname //foo/bar
< 1427701306 271549 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric ://foo
< 1427701311 468145 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that took a while
< 1427701379 569531 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dirname //////////foo/bar
< 1427701380 617664 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric ://////////foo
< 1427701391 356644 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was expecting something else
< 1427701416 957044 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's the exact algorithm specified in POSIX.
< 1427701494 515261 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the meaning of the leading "//" is implementation-defined, dirname("//foo) may return either "//" or '/' (but nothing else).
< 1427701505 842754 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1427701516 171328 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dirname //////////foo
< 1427701517 33248 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/
< 1427701521 221850 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dirname //foo
< 1427701522 44129 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/
< 1427701530 718121 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1427701539 153169 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that it's the meaning of *precisely two* slashes that's implementation-defined.
< 1427701567 380437 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three or more slashes is the same as /
< 1427701569 92697 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that head -c is not posix
< 1427701572 23521 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1427701580 424154 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's dumb -_-
< 1427701599 59110 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the closest thing i can think of is a rather inefficient hack with dd
< 1427701774 19603 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427702270 760250 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/dev/full"?
< 1427702400 177210 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo x > /dev/full
< 1427702400 905238 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: echo: write error: No space left on device
< 1427702405 580731 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a device that returns an error when you try to write to it
< 1427704207 669746 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on
< 1427704216 659021 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just realised that enigmatic means like an enigma
< 1427704221 539179 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I miss that
< 1427704560 13796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427704915 535721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily
< 1427704916 598718 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department.
< 1427705008 597023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/Lachine/Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing/' wisdom/boily
< 1427705026 424594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1427705030 114709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily
< 1427705031 225159 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department.
< 1427705101 617308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly wonders what's really in those cookies
< 1427705169 914693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : that i can buy maple leaf cookies at the corner store <-- whoops
< 1427705181 175716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another dealing empire crushed
< 1427705185 371664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am in possession of some p. bad cookies
< 1427705199 464553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you get them from kmc
< 1427705208 144539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1427705217 370871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would expect better quality cookies from kmc
< 1427705225 323936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1427705242 460773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that a drugz joke)
< 1427705272 61142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been making drugz jokes since i entered the channel, pay attention.
< 1427705301 693858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed the others
< 1427705308 402381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1427705331 510714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan
< 1427705348 882641 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also an antediluvian Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. He can never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience.
< 1427705361 489644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :amortization is the process of becoming immortal, right?
< 1427705403 443112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly the opposite.
< 1427705416 829317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to wiktionary!
< 1427705457 448665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically since i added that, whenever i've needed the word either HackEgo has been down or i actually managed to remember it.
< 1427705467 959887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think.
< 1427705488 855898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly, i cannot entirely remember. except that i remembered it once.
< 1427705524 731605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From (the stem of) Middle French amortir (“to bring to death”), probably from Late Latin *admortīre, from Latin ad + mortem."
< 1427705967 848564 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427706221 626845 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@2a02:2c40:400::1:6e46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1427706469 86813 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427706654 752474 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's actually the defintion of premature death?
< 1427706696 690059 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You die sooner than you should've based on...?
< 1427706719 777782 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death before maturity
< 1427706748 32122 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps that's immature death
< 1427707083 23680 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1427707209 276104 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1427707209 290117 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427707539 719012 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45c7:74aa:917f:8c54 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1427707562 137966 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45c7:74aa:917f:8c54 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427707979 625713 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: apparentely "sitting" is linked to 9% of premature death.
< 1427707999 497031 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which suggests that if you didn't sit that long you wouldn't have died a premature death
< 1427708009 653757 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably means you've lived another two years or something?
< 1427708013 983699 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway
< 1427708034 127325 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that definition every death is premature because I'm sure you could've always lived a little bit healthier than you did
< 1427708060 491481 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :death by accidents are probably premature anyway as well.
< 1427708071 675093 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you die before you should've died.
< 1427708099 7600 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you believe in destiny and that it was always clear that you'll die that way then it's probably not premature but preprogrammed
< 1427708177 414101 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Years of potential life lost (YPLL) or potential years of life lost (PYLL), is an estimate of the average years a person would have lived if he or she had not died prematurely."
< 1427708775 116840 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, I think death from old age or treatable illness or injury is not counted as premature?
< 1427708906 415266 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but "old age"
< 1427708911 264082 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you die by "old age"?
< 1427708929 368815 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heart suddenly stops? Brain suddently stops?
< 1427708933 575640 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Organs failing?
< 1427708945 632877 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could've slown down the aging process somehow
< 1427708948 991563 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by eating an apple a day
< 1427709206 85625 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you mean "untreatable illnesses"?
< 1427709215 640317 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dieing of an illness that can be treated could be seen as premature
< 1427709216 537500 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes
< 1427709226 724380 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dying
< 1427710989 895330 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427711175 626423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'doily
< 1427711229 10422 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bøn matirjan!
< 1427711421 608739 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? thanks ants
< 1427711427 26975 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks ants? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1427711473 801374 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "thants" > wisdom/thanks\ ants
< 1427711487 842297 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1427711487 981846 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? thanks ants
< 1427711489 29891 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thants
< 1427711543 753880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks Taneb
< 1427711554 391432 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle! (or is it Thanksanebelle?)
< 1427711555 466345 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Taneb. Thaneb.
< 1427711584 790393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: only when he's cosplaying
< 1427711601 387489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb sprø som selleri
< 1427711677 761264 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over the weekend I got asked what I was cosplaying no less than 5 times
< 1427711684 351745 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -FInr 'sprø' wisdom/*
< 1427711687 935552 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was, in fact, not cosplaing
< 1427711705 220429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but now you are cosplaining
< 1427711744 557833 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/shachaf:1:shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends.
< 1427711804 854773 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shellochellof. you sly fiend!
< 1427711816 328798 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I have been watching Look Around You again
< 1427711840 273314 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1427711885 513727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Over the weekend I got asked what I was cosplaying no less than 5 times I was, in fact, not cosplaing
< 1427711895 501243 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1239) Over the weekend I got asked what I was cosplaying no less than 5 times I was, in fact, not cosplaing
< 1427711908 974338 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can we edit that so it looks like I didn't make that typo in the second line?
< 1427711935 749477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you say the corrected version literally.
< 1427711961 633318 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was, in fact, not cosplaying
< 1427711972 985171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1427711975 551858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we gotta put an ellipsis in
< 1427711987 454211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Over the weekend I got asked what I was cosplaying no less than 5 times [...] I was, in fact, not cosplaying
< 1427711993 649474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: way ahead of you
< 1427712011 69676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the timestamps indicate otherwise hth
< 1427712017 285322 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1427712018 520637 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1239) Over the weekend I got asked what I was cosplaying no less than 5 times [...] I was, in fact, not cosplaying
< 1427712022 162292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY BRAIN WAS
< 1427712060 121627 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm a Taneb. That's what they look like. The movie's going to be released in Autumn."
< 1427712080 630073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you take a picture of your non-cosplayingness
< 1427712095 342137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can judge for ourselves
< 1427712146 602989 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not a very good one
< 1427712152 162449 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone else did
< 1427712189 799393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is your good twin named o⃥rjan by any chance twh
< 1427712203 317665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ørjan
< 1427712210 21929 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ørjan is oerjan's good twin. He's banned in the IRC RFC for being an invalid character. Sometimes he publishes papers.
< 1427712212 672386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this had been made clear.
< 1427712217 558998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1427712228 483746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode o⃥
< 1427712232 953126 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+20E5 COMBINING REVERSE SOLIDUS OVERLAY]
< 1427712260 224660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :o⃫
< 1427712380 806892 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what sort of papers does your good twin publish?
< 1427712418 999311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently papers about LSD for alcoholism: http://jop.sagepub.com/content/26/7/994.short
< 1427712442 365145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: math papers
< 1427712447 69571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :by your pal, oerjan johansen
< 1427712468 479159 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, are they like maths papers?
< 1427712477 286934 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because maths papers are like my favourite kind of paper
< 1427712481 292904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah pål-ørjan, my old nemesis
< 1427712524 63326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: my usage is that e.g. geometry and topology are maths, which is to say that e.g. topology is a math
< 1427712553 977530 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I agree emotionally but not pedantically with that usage
< 1427712570 985402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: he's been slacking off on the mathy papering for a decade, though
< 1427712588 554377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a decade ago was 2005 :'(
< 1427712610 497990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, a paper by ørjan on ergodic theory
< 1427712615 73161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+at least
< 1427712680 202186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%C3%B8rjan+johansen
< 1427712708 767103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over 30 million psychedelic users in the United States
< 1427712785 621546 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe one day I'll write a maths paper
< 1427712787 835282 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe tomorrow!
< 1427712820 716553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a maths paper with your pål ørjan
< 1427712843 637233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt he'd understand it
< 1427712922 360979 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I am just a little undergraduate
< 1427712933 906160 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :-whois őrjan
< 1427712978 160512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: does that stop you from writing maths papers
< 1427712987 651884 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, not in of itself
< 1427713003 911109 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do not know as much maths as some people who used to be undergraduates but then graduated!
< 1427713064 427349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many maths do you know
< 1427713098 988427 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 12 or so
< 1427713144 689756 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4c6f4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427713148 78863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more than i know
< 1427713169 572158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: nem tudok
< 1427713224 917863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait should it be tudom or not
< 1427713387 888612 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427713492 120552 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would I even write a paper about
< 1427713880 566079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tanebvention of course
< 1427714357 245131 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions
< 1427714357 937175 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, automatic squirrel feeders, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Go, weetoflakes, persistence, and this sentence.
< 1427714414 228407 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? persistence
< 1427714425 539548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb invented persistence long ago, and it's been around ever since.
< 1427714440 872200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? stephen wolfram
< 1427714442 64615 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram is an esolanger with too much money and power. Taneb invented him.
< 1427714464 326866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you've invented a lot of things since last i checked
< 1427714481 940525 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it's not something I can help
< 1427714499 818942 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? torus
< 1427714500 778734 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topologically, a torus is just a torus. Taneb invented them.
< 1427714508 760710 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :when and how did you invent the torus
< 1427714519 100060 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after persistence hth
< 1427714525 97721 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couple of years back
< 1427714557 311641 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about things that are topologically equivalent to a torus, and lo and behold I discovered the torus
< 1427714644 354278 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1427714785 320767 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit
< 1427714850 983568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? go
< 1427714851 900939 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go is a common verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes in the strategic territories of East Asia.
< 1427714872 307472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? chu space
< 1427714873 220861 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Chu space is just a matrix. Taneb invented them, then Chu stole his invention.
< 1427714941 486618 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules
< 1427714942 606015 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them.
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< 1427722667 554373 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Lazy K14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42241&oldid=20133 5* 0379.247.175.208 5* (-8) 10Fixed specification link
< 1427722709 79913 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1427725060 387671 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1427725067 115875 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'Arrows' is a really stupid name because in saying what an arrow is I'm forced to use the word 'arrow' in two diferent senses, one for Hughes meaning and one for the usual meaning from category theory. It's like deciding that the prime numbers bigger than 20 are interesting for some reason and then choosing to give them a name, 'the primes'."
< 1427725593 557464 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i could have invented monads, with enough pressure to refactor some functional code that builds and extracts pairs everywhere, but i probably wouldn't have called them monads
< 1427725628 64640 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://blog.sigfpe.com/2006/08/you-could-have-invented-monads-and.html )
< 1427725628 168896 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:8: error: unexpected
< 1427725628 170157 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Operator without known fixity:
< 1427725628 274175 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ://, expected: space
< 1427725628 274926 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.sigfpe.com/2006/08/you-could-have-invented-monads-and.html )
< 1427725628 274990 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^
< 1427725632 513627 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks idris-bot
< 1427725653 287162 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know you're paying attention
< 1427725694 319646 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and always good to be reminded of the fact that you aren't ever safe starting a msg with a non-alphanumeric character when bots is around
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< 1427726588 975093 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that function bind is only necessary becuase you can't just use a global variable that f and g bpth modify
< 1427726652 700543 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like, for example, an output stream)
< 1427726670 949350 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh yes well, functional programming, you see, without side-effects, you see, referentially transparent and all that, you see
< 1427726711 594656 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some people like the idea of putting monads in impure languages like Lisp and Python, but i personally do not see the point of that
< 1427726795 615545 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. this bind thing is the way to sort of have the benefits of a global variable (a piece of data that follows "alongside" the processing) without the issue of statefulness
< 1427726799 423601 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Mind you that an arrow is also an everyday object in medival times.
< 1427726817 858420 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*medieval
< 1427726833 979393 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally you math guys would have a structure called "Bow" as well
< 1427726855 214936 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the sine function
< 1427726886 654870 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if there's a bow, but there are definitely sheafs
< 1427726928 510732 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no, the chord function*** comes from a function named after a bowstring
< 1427726949 998977 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sine function is half of it
< 1427727036 326398 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is really stupid that they have a picture of a surfer on my grade 11 math text, but didn't use these metaphors for trigonometry
< 1427727081 750639 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a picture of a surfer belongs on Fluid Dynamics 101, not trigonometry
< 1427727122 219155 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :the surfer makes it cool
< 1427727136 231541 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes students like trig more, because it is cool
< 1427727152 43268 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume this is the logic, anyway)
< 1427727182 737506 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess an Indian chariot-archer would be too violent or some crap
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< 1427729097 408478 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have called them BOBULANCES
< 1427729102 57173 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or maybe not)
< 1427729135 51318 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes
< 1427729135 846530 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , blsqbot !
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< 1427729178 997313 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that leaves $ and % and # and + and = free
< 1427729185 68446 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few others
< 1427729220 389812 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, dare I point out that EgoBot and blsqbot are up in each other's faces there
< 1427729255 86634 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way back when I started idris-bot it used ‣ I think, because that was highly unlikely to get in the way.
< 1427729356 576636 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ would be another good prefix.
< 1427729357 402492 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :( help
< 1427729357 413043 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such variable help
< 1427729362 255399 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :( quit
< 1427729362 260454 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such variable quit
< 1427729366 407545 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1427729400 728124 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( idrisVersion
< 1427729400 866967 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04"0.9.17.1-git:9560761" : 12String
< 1427729440 490133 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :very tempting to try to discover what the idris language is like just by getting in an extended conversation with idris-bot
< 1427729473 878683 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could get very frustrating very fast.
< 1427729573 806252 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1427729631 602208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way to learn it is to read the documentation and to look at other programs written using it.
< 1427729789 590160 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com)
< 1427729849 687758 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the latter, there aren’t many yet, and a number of those that exist have probably bitrotted.
< 1427729906 780841 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the bot in here?
< 1427729923 253868 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the authors of idris consider it to be an esolang?
< 1427729949 134827 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it so hard for me to /join #idris if i want to talk to a bot that talks idris?
< 1427729954 207669 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i just don't understand IRC.
< 1427730141 152714 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Sgeo is the one who invited it, and by extension me, since I had to come keep an eye on the unreliable little thing.
< 1427730221 322586 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I stayed because there are occasionally quite interesting things discussed here. ∑:3
< 1427730491 395854 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1427730493 934829 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427730498 406055 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone implemented deadfish in it yet?
< 1427730539 732128 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but WhiteSpace IIRC, and IIRC the originator of Idris is the inventor of WhiteSpace.
< 1427730832 619000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can see how many things Deadfish is implemented in so far
< 1427731003 535632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shotest one seems to be the one in AWK
< 1427731017 444171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, if you can implement one for Atari VCS?
< 1427731341 880781 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the Bits32 (-1)
< 1427731342 69609 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't resolve type class 12Neg 12Bits32
< 1427731354 465798 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( prim__complB32 0
< 1427731354 532933 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :044294967295 : 12Bits32
< 1427731393 674695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427731430 195491 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t the
< 1427731430 538680 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09Prelude.Basics.the : (13a : 12Type) -> 13a -> 13a
< 1427731620 914644 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear. can you write Agda-style proofputations in this one, too?
< 1427731663 8977 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has full dependent types, yes.
< 1427731691 242262 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It emphatically does not have Agda’s any-unicode mixfix syntax.
< 1427731788 240478 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :dare i ask what a proof that + is associative might look like
< 1427731828 794448 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess probably not too different from how it looks in agda
< 1427731837 458548 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :printdef plusAssociative
< 1427731839 274366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘:’
< 1427731843 145193 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :printdef plusAssociative
< 1427731843 416476 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09plusAssociative : (13left : 12Nat) -> (13centre : 12Nat) -> (13right : 12Nat) -> 13left 09+ (13centre 09+ 13right) 12= 13left 09+ 13centre 09+ 13right
< 1427731843 417164 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09plusAssociative 040 13centre 13right = 04Refl
< 1427731843 417212 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09plusAssociative (04S 13left) 13centre 13right = let 13inductiveHypothesis = 09plusAssociative 13left 13centre 13right in 09plusAssociativeStepCase 13left
< 1427731843 417243 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13centre
< 1427731843 417272 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13right14↵…
< 1427731853 62317 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough lines.
< 1427731878 574785 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, more or less how i've seen it look in agda
< 1427731900 582196 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe a little nicer
< 1427731913 411053 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only because inductiveHypothesis and plusAssociativeStepCase are spelled out
< 1427732122 202658 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/idris-lang/Idris-dev/blob/master/libs/prelude/Prelude/Nat.idr#L382-L387 That stuff should probably get cleaned up, since we don’t need to use proof mode for intelligent rewriting anymore.
< 1427732135 187469 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :printdef plusAssociativeStepCase
< 1427732135 240237 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09plusAssociativeStepCase : (13left : 12Nat) ->
< 1427732135 440436 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : (13centre : 12Nat) -> (13right : 12Nat) -> (13left 09+ (13centre 09+ 13right) 12= 13left 09+ 13centre 09+ 13right) -> 04S (09plus 13left (09plus 13centre 13right)) 12= 04S (09plus (09plus 13left 13centre) 13right)
< 1427732135 442990 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :09plusAssociativeStepCase = \13left => \13centre => \13right => \13inductiveHypothesis => let 13{rewrite_rule109} = 13inductiveHypothesis in 09replace 13rewrite_rule 04Refl
< 1427732166 107080 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"{rewrite_rule109}", eh?
< 1427732171 57090 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i know
< 1427732175 470908 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's working backwards from smth
< 1427732176 51701 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That’s vaguely inaccurate since it’s generated from a short tactic script.
< 1427732217 953321 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :The {rewrite_rule109} is how gensyms come out.
< 1427732223 492267 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :me, whenever i write a program, i make sure to name all my functions "function_001", "function_002", etc
< 1427732275 736817 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, previously, i lied. i wouldn't have called monads bobulances. i would've called them abstraction_0764's.
< 1427732278 462935 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t MN
< 1427732281 31549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input ‘:’
< 1427732283 436771 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :t MN
< 1427732283 540947 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Language.Reflection.MN : 12Int -> 12String -> 12TTName
< 1427732301 591046 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( MN 109 "rewrite_rule"
< 1427732301 733593 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :04MN 04109 04"rewrite_rule" : 12TTName
< 1427732321 845748 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s probably the representation of that variable.
< 1427732329 301443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I was reading "A Rainy Sunday Afternoon", I thought the concept was very amusing, but was also disappointed that it wasn't written by hand
< 1427732354 593155 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm glad you found it amusing.
< 1427732366 807832 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asking for something like that to be hand-written is maybe asking a little much
< 1427732384 537835 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427732399 865630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1427732403 867563 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, that's the... card game one. OK, yeah. I can see your disappointment more clearly
< 1427732407 236943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet, people genuinely do play such games
< 1427732411 732911 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427732448 589130 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Originally I thought you meant "Hope and Remembrance". When you get to be my age, you can't keep your own generated novels straight)
< 1427732451 167778 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1427732475 952360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever generated a novel
< 1427732508 665391 :gde33!kvirc@546A0B75.cm-12-3a.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427732509 345893 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you are very welcome to spend November trying. it's fun. https://github.com/dariusk/NaNoGenMo-2014/
< 1427732545 419288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but November is the /dev/null/nethack tournament
< 1427732586 415969 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :November is rather overloaded with activities, I agree
< 1427732629 69634 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are of course welcome to try, any time of year
< 1427732647 353698 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :as with writing one by hand etc
< 1427732728 558974 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1427732789 170141 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "A Rainy Sunday Afternoon" was inspired by a mention of Arnold Rimmer's _Risk_ Logbook, which was mentioned in response to a novel about the Towers of Hanoi
< 1427733663 492138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1427733669 280681 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427733694 321980 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1427733696 57377 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably curate those a bit better, actually put them on my site instead of gist, and link to the nanogeno issues that they came from
< 1427733702 376087 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( the (() -> ()) $ %runTactics (do { intro (Just (MN 109 "rewrite_rule")); fill (Var (MN 109 "rewrite_rule")); solve})
< 1427733702 524587 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :When elaborating argument 13x to function 09Prelude.Basics.the:
< 1427733702 526393 :idris-bot!~ircslave@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : No such variable Language.Reflection.Tactical.Tactical
< 1427733706 668533 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right.
< 1427733733 178719 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm also nominally working on a "real" story generator, but it's going very slowly
< 1427733743 277833 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly an excuse to read tvtropes a lot :)
< 1427733749 193128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1427733761 516450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the idea that you feed the whole of tvtropes to a computer
< 1427733770 734039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and end up with a coherent, if very clichéd, story?
< 1427733975 196942 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of
< 1427733977 293292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer All The Tropes rather than TV Tropes, but, you can try to see what it is will be
< 1427734033 144965 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't heard of that one before. I'll look at it.
< 1427734052 572600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have a account on All The Tropes; I don't have any on TV Tropes
< 1427734073 390107 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"feed" isn't quite the right word because they need a lot of "premasticating" before you can get them into an algorithm, but, yes, that's where they eventually end up (and I might have object classes with the same names as TVTropes pages)
< 1427734137 433656 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427734202 761747 :Shikhin!Shikhin@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-rpnuymbmqttqgfzg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427734202 814243 :Shikhin!Shikhin@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-rpnuymbmqttqgfzg QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1427734204 624288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My FOAF includes a link to my All The Tropes user page
< 1427734246 379787 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cpressey: where do I find "a rainy sunday afternoon"? Google isn't helpful in this case
< 1427734265 948166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/cpressey/1b9f6d8c66cc1f736aba
< 1427734292 523660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, here's a problem I'm currently having in Real Life: my bank won't let me move money around between my accounts because I don't have ID
< 1427734293 903077 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: what ais523 said. also, http://catseye.tc/node/Text
< 1427734324 432841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all they accept is a passport (which I don't have), driving license (which I don't have), or one very specific tax form (which I think is the PAYE Coding Notice)
< 1427734359 964996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the government's taxation department say that normally they'll just send you a P60 form instead, and the bank doesn't accept P60s
< 1427734361 164108 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though you are unquestionably the holder of both accounts
< 1427734365 245415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes!
< 1427734388 506479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bank seems to be under the assumption that the coding notice gets sent to everone
< 1427734390 205353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*everyone
< 1427734391 417731 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that sounds about right
< 1427734402 645787 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intriguing story
< 1427734410 244850 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have to admit I skipped over parts of it
< 1427734439 715802 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: a not uncommon occurrence with computer-generated 50k-word novels
< 1427734448 142228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that said, I seem to be missing last year's P60 too, possibly because it's only sent if you happen to be employed on 5 April specifically; you get a P45 instead otherwise)
< 1427734497 407950 :Shikhin!Shikhin@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-wuowlxvwqwjsdiue JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427734499 937410 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you able to write yourself a cheque from one account, and deposit it (no wait, what do they say here... pay it in?) into the other account?
< 1427734514 903863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this is the UK
< 1427734521 390524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheques exist here, but they aren't widely used
< 1427734547 948657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, I haven't used them often enough to be given a chequebook, meaning that if I needed to give someone a cheque, I'd need to go to the bank and ask them to write it for me
< 1427734552 226377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which runs into the same problem as before
< 1427734591 700491 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah. actually, i'm slightly amazed that you've managed to obtain employment without a passport
< 1427734598 851072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, the tax year ends in 9 days, meaning any solution to this problem would need to be by then or it'll count towards the wrong year's tax allowance)
< 1427734606 345821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they said an expired passport was sufficient to prove I was British
< 1427734620 377492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I did have one of those
< 1427734633 870800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haven't any more, I decided to exchange it for a new passport to avoid such problems in the future, but that takes over 3 weeks)
< 1427734666 996129 :Shikhin!Shikhin@gateway/shell/bnc4free/x-wuowlxvwqwjsdiue QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1427734695 208102 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, you don't have any kind of identity card over there?
< 1427734718 187686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not mandatory
< 1427734724 350430 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something the size of a driver's license without granting a driver's license
< 1427734730 243354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :opt-in identity cards exist, but most aren't considered sufficiently official
< 1427734738 764940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my area there is "BCID", which is like a driving license, except that it isn't a driving license.
< 1427734740 172739 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1427734750 449857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common workaround is to apply for a "I'm planning to learn to drive" provisional license, and then not learn to drive
< 1427734766 189542 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have national identity cards, and the driving license works as a substitute for it
< 1427734795 594706 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :works the same here
< 1427734811 641962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the advice is to carry ID if you're not a citizen of the country you're in (Brit abroad, or foreigner in Britain), but for a Brit in Britain, you don't need ID most of the time
< 1427734811 911002 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the driving license isn't official enough for everything
< 1427734820 782371 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can vote with a driving license, but you can't withdraw money
< 1427734823 882515 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've lived in far too many places
< 1427734847 988157 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a BC driver's license, an Illinois driver's license, but not a UK driver's license.
< 1427734878 335934 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now that information is permanently on the public Internet, but I don't suppose it matters.
< 1427734892 256075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, you're in the UK right now
< 1427734896 345019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to CTCP TIME
< 1427734900 719288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or somewhere else in UTC+0
< 1427734910 360230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see my FOAF file on http://zzo38computer.org/my_foaf.ttl
< 1427734920 836002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the UK allows foreign driver's licenses under some circumstances
< 1427734928 743574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might add more later on
< 1427734929 226546 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, yes, right now I am barely a stone's throw from Trafalgar Square
< 1427734945 581496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided that there's not much point in trying to hide what country or even city you're in
< 1427734951 499947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your IP is shown too many places
< 1427734957 562606 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's crappy client doesn't do ctcps
< 1427735011 388037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: It can respond to VERSION and TIME requests from me though
< 1427735016 282236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: I received one from you
< 1427735019 785979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it just didn't show the response?
< 1427735026 873646 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, probably
< 1427735045 737722 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't receive the notification from zzo38 either
< 1427735046 588488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can enter control characters then you should be able to use it.
< 1427735070 23507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hardly anyone sends ctcps by manually typing the control-A
< 1427735082 2840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it in the past, but it's much more common to use a specific CTCP feature of a client
< 1427735090 313071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, I do, because that's the only way my client has to send.
< 1427735098 276965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For replying it can do it automatically though.
< 1427735141 756534 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427735150 720729 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP? Interesting choice of language for implementing an IRC client
< 1427735164 676814 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 NICK :Guest67562
< 1427735200 641264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes, but I couldn't figure out how to do internet connection properly with C
< 1427735228 480856 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1427735291 719 :Guest67562!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 NICK :shikhout
< 1427735293 305806 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sockets?
< 1427735299 495447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also haven't implemented split-screen or anything like that so far
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< 1427735339 716592 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last year I was asked to do an instant messaging service in C using signals
< 1427735367 559387 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ais523> zzo38: hardly anyone sends ctcps by manually typing the control-A
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< 1427735384 979302 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but if there's a channel where you're going to find people wanting to... you could do worse than #esoteric
< 1427735397 285047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: right, and I know from the past that zzo38 /does/ send the control-As manually
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< 1427735406 415755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought I'd clarify how most clients work
< 1427735412 475216 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the OS, the signals lost ranged from 1% to 90% so everything had to be very redundant but also stutter-proof
< 1427735424 724382 :shikhin!~shikhin@59.177.197.147 NICK :Guest91957
< 1427735455 559843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen other IRC clients but I don't like it much therefore I implemented my own one.
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< 1427735514 295543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With syntax highlighting and other stuff
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< 1427735524 213100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And macros indicated by function keys
< 1427735530 166912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And password masking
< 1427735531 574423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on.
< 1427735565 399360 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax highlighting? __english__ syntax?
< 1427735570 221238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, IRC syntax
< 1427735603 93448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your input starts with "PASS " then everything typed after that on the same line will display as asterisks, and furthermore it won't save that line into the history of inputs.
< 1427735633 22162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it highlight English syntax?
< 1427735675 993471 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what language did you write it in?
< 1427735688 924596 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a guess
< 1427735692 436873 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably wrong
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< 1427735737 489724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What language did I write what in?
< 1427735753 77444 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what language did you write your IRC client in?
< 1427735769 403274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it in PHP, because I could not figure out how to do it with C.
< 1427735791 310038 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my 3rd guess (after FORTH and C)
< 1427735825 339830 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, if I were to write one, I would probably do it in Python
< 1427735827 117335 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is boring
< 1427735830 132163 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i hate myself for it
< 1427735833 939166 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's what i write now
< 1427735838 895306 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :so terrible
< 1427735875 353522 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe Javascript except I know I wouldn't be able to bring myself to use node.js for something that signficant
< 1427735910 473970 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been meaning to write a somewhat-serious client for myself
< 1427735933 579566 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1427735951 760460 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Client Quit
< 1427735958 903397 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you also not like the other IRC clients too?
< 1427735966 794992 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :the awful bit about an IRC client would be the async terminal (or GUI) I/O versus the network I/O, wouldn't it
< 1427735974 737239 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe node.js wouldn't be *that* bad actually
< 1427735985 694604 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think node.js wouldn't be too bad
< 1427735992 614036 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah
< 1427736023 155691 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind weechat, I don't mind irssi, but I hate their build systems
< 1427736024 6977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It is what I thought too, but I was able to figure out how to do that in PHP
< 1427736032 509625 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, "hate" is too strong a work
< 1427736034 647801 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :*word
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< 1427736070 923179 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :weechat works decently, but I don't like how the plugin system seems to be very fragile (at least the little I've looked at it)
< 1427736074 342353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Do you know I am working on a Z-machine implementation for Famicom?
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< 1427736138 611022 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, I didn't know that. Cool.
< 1427736161 146438 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had a 2nd-hand Famicom once... without a proper power supply... I don't remember if I ever got it working.
< 1427736190 244254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already wrote ZORKMID in C, which is a Z-machine debugger, therefore I can see what instructions Zork I executes before the first READ, as well as seeing various other things
< 1427736222 220612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you are interested, here is that list of instructions: http://sprunge.us/KMhj
< 1427736239 617458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The * is the debugger prompt and P displays this list; also O will clear the list
< 1427736260 482220 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there are other commands too, such as u for unassemble, d for dump, q for quit, r for restart, etc
< 1427736337 215002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am working on a compiler to target Z-machine too actually, which is actually mainly an assembler but with extensions and macros and more optimizations.
< 1427736360 311661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, oerjan helped me to optimize the text packing.
< 1427736419 983989 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could never wrap my head around the Z-machine. i mean, i'm sure it's possible, but all those clever little packed things. brrrr
< 1427736458 858572 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed a who-knows-how-old-it-was bug in Zplet, though
< 1427736485 94840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bug is that?
< 1427736509 509383 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had to do with font size versus size of the applet
< 1427736537 18525 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/XelaRellum/ZPlet/pull/3 if you *really* care
< 1427736589 470448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK
< 1427736602 40983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the tax office's phone lines are still open
< 1427736613 87648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going home to get some documents, then phone them
< 1427736615 2780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye for now everyone
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< 1427736656 349247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen my All The Tropes user page?
< 1427736679 558970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also look at my FOAF which can be downloaded from: http://zzo38computer.org/my_foaf.ttl
< 1427736713 946974 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :first FOAF I've ever seen with gopher:// in it
< 1427736762 565732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has telnet:// in it too; have you seen other FOAFs with telnet:// in it? Probably for ones that mention MUDs it might be in there I suppose
< 1427736775 916283 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair i have not seen many FOAFs at all
< 1427736784 474566 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :First time I see a FOAF
< 1427736847 343104 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should be going
< 1427736848 84815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote a SQLite extension that can parse this and other RDF Turtle files. It turns out to be smaller than Serd, and as far as I know the only one that has a API that is accessed from SQL.
< 1427736856 263777 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :later, all
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< 1427736863 971177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Well, now you know!
< 1427736946 24182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although some people write FOAFs in XML instead
< 1427736957 736122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used Turtle to write mine though.
< 1427737013 336046 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :foaf...
< 1427737056 633747 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1427737063 95238 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently wordpress supports foaf
< 1427737068 868643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how that works
< 1427737096 31904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I think I have read that too
< 1427737144 475172 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm asking #wordpress
< 1427737694 868972 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless
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< 1427738164 177765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the tax department's phone line says the same thing as their website
< 1427738178 488318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that there's no need to worry or do anything if they've sent you a tax code change
< 1427738202 966771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, my tax code /hasn't/ changed and I need a tax code change form anyway because my bank are making silly requests
< 1427738206 321947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I just complain to the bank
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< 1427739072 396751 :nortti!~juhani@ayu.smar.fi NICK :lawspeaker
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< 1427740258 384151 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, complaining to the bank always work *ahem*
< 1427740298 394977 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, they always call back when you reach their answering machine even though you called during their office hours
< 1427740864 139065 :clrg!~clrg@host157.200-117-27.telecom.net.ar PART #esoteric :"Saliendo"
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< 1427741222 937854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about aspect-oriented programming, now I think perhaps RULECARD should be designed with something similar to aspect-oriented programming as one of its features.
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< 1427741514 207829 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🀆 🀅 🀄
< 1427741517 322289 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+1F006 MAHJONG TILE WHITE DRAGON] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+1F005 MAHJONG TILE GREEN DRAGON] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+1F004 MAHJONG TILE RED DRAGON]
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< 1427742004 658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in Magic: the Gathering, there is triggers on stack, "instead of" abilities, effects that temporarily or permanently change other effects and objects, etc
< 1427742023 855693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the white dragon tile is hilarious
< 1427742030 364823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the tiles themselves are also white
< 1427742040 554714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the joke is, they leave the tile blank because it's a white dragon on a white background
< 1427742071 802044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also called "haku", yes it is a blank tile, although some sets have a border
< 1427742108 702945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The glass haku tiles in a Washizu set will be the same on both sides even.
< 1427742222 272096 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In Chinese sets, usually there's a frame to represent the dragon
< 1427742238 348164 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Japenese sets, though, they actually leave them blank
< 1427742245 906019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I am aware
< 1427742250 842981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I know it's not always blank
< 1427742276 972069 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427742289 937074 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are sets of black tiles as well, but these pose a problem as they are often not two-toned, so if they don't put some sort of marker (usually a dot in Japanese sets) to indicate the white dragon, it is indistinguishable face up and face down
< 1427742317 835798 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you sometimes have to stand it on its end to distinguish it, and on top of that, in a heavily played set, it will be worn differently since it sees equal wear on both sides
< 1427742442 43313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but a proper set should have the back a different color than the front (the back can be brown or green for non-magnetic tiles, or it is blue or pink for magnetic tiles, I think)
< 1427742513 314463 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have terminal emulator suggestions?
< 1427742517 97941 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :configuring urxvt is shit
< 1427742522 888449 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :konsole doesn't handle astral characters correctly
< 1427742527 361021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still the glass haku tiles in Washizu sets are going to be the same on both sides, but in that case it doesn't matter because you are supposed to be allowed to look at opponent's glass tiles.
< 1427742592 139825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Can't you use xterm?
< 1427742666 107493 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: perhaps? does it support full unicode correctly and is it a pain in the ass to configure?
< 1427742847 921201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1427742870 807934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When working on Linux I generally use Linux VC with Unicode turned off
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< 1427743211 850768 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with the seeping bass again :(
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< 1427743372 322286 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a very treble experience.
< 1427743423 614404 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1427743468 51005 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a pun needs the other word to exist, int-e
< 1427743487 741782 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :t'reble?
< 1427743510 689431 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats int-e -----##
< 1427743513 433619 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the editing distance is a bit too big.
< 1427743520 358757 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1427743523 161006 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+#
< 1427743561 951359 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web irc font confuses my swatting
< 1427743651 802973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when you're serious you should try a sharper swatter like "-----♯♯♯" hth
< 1427743678 446925 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only One True Swatter
< 1427743701 621918 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :----%%%
< 1427744037 675508 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< coppro> konsole doesn't handle astral characters correctly – Really? What does it do with them?
< 1427744127 824238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I use gnome-terminal as my terminal but I wouldn't really recommend it
< 1427744288 699355 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl genius is back to its usual unschedule
< 1427744350 729995 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :DST trouble.
< 1427744380 175820 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i think it's a bit more than 1 hour off
< 1427744388 719121 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think?
< 1427744468 455205 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i distinctly recall being able to mostly expect an update to be ready around 6-7 AM my time in previous years
< 1427744481 12438 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this occasionally still happens.
< 1427744653 546117 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like lewie has found a life philosophy, i wonder if that's what he's been doing since he came back to black mountain
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< 1427745183 209460 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that breaking out a tab into its own window gets IE confused about the rest of them...
< 1427745201 329449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox seems to have a bug where the tabs are in the wrong order
< 1427745214 86433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the order they're arranged at the top of the screen is different from the order ctrl-pgdn cycles through htem
< 1427745220 369356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trying to rearrange them causes some of them to overlap
< 1427745234 952198 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
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< 1427748976 776066 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1427748982 754997 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427749007 156625 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Yoob14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42242&oldid=31859 5* 035.29.33.254 5* (+38) 10
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< 1427749293 403496 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be ethical for me to use Mechanical Turk for something?
< 1427749331 72781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what that thing is, surely
< 1427749347 29247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you think all uses of mechanical turk are unethical due to not paying the users enough
< 1427749358 468045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one problem is, that the unethical uses are likely to be willing to pay more per person than the ethical ones
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< 1427749362 664547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they may price the ethical ones out of the market
< 1427749415 726576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, it turns out that one of the main reasons that Google and Yahoo! and friends are trying push people to use two-factor auth for their accounts (tying them to cellphones) is to prevent spam automated signups, because most spambots don't have cellphones
< 1427749437 818414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and allegedly, the price of a Google account on the black market is approximately the same as that of the cheapest available SIM cards)
< 1427749442 543124 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing I had in mind is just a thing for personal use (finding YouTube videos to match with my collection of MIDIs), but I'm looking at MTurk and it seems to pay out pennies, which seems a bit cheap
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< 1427750867 207756 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if someone doesn't find one of the songs, not paying is probably unethical
< 1427751235 166416 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much is mechanical turk per hour anyway
< 1427751549 900250 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTurk pays people based on how much you offer.
< 1427751558 167703 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some service transaction, I imagine.
< 1427751595 603503 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MTurk isn't per-hour, it's piecerate.
< 1427751621 740982 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you somehow set a task to require spending a set amount of time doing something.
< 1427751627 366970 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than for the result.
< 1427751658 412038 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget why I decided against working for it.
< 1427751844 671565 :g2watson!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu NICK :orin
< 1427751887 809589 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. if the price is per task, then it is similar to working on commission
< 1427752015 440397 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to safely/ethically set up tasks that may fail?
< 1427752039 58989 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't pay for failure, that's possibly unethical, if I do pay for failure, someone could lie and say they failed
< 1427752061 148846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: the amount of worry setting this up will cause you
< 1427752066 585606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is larger than the benefit you'd get if it worked
< 1427752077 717990 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You examine their work and determine yourself if it's a failure.
< 1427752078 683780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if they failed you shouldn't have to pay if you do not want to
< 1427752097 526445 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the task it might be possible to determine if they tried.
< 1427752123 928308 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the common practice is to set the price super low and to generally accept anything.
< 1427752127 305603 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since here the work is 'finding the name of a song', I don't really have a way to check honestly (except seaching myself) if it's true that they tried and couldn't ind it
< 1427752128 656945 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :find it
< 1427752139 217925 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I heard soon after it came out, anyway.
< 1427752160 962593 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they get you the name, you could easily just put that in a search engine.
< 1427752170 77907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have enough money maybe you can try by making up fake tasks that you do not need in order to see who is more honestly and so on
< 1427752173 649997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I believe there are cellphone "apps" that claim to be able to determine the name of a song from listening to it
< 1427752175 501252 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: which would be a success
< 1427752185 911632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work better
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< 1427752200 412556 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: including MIDIs? I guess I should try it
< 1427752209 814800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about MIDIs
< 1427752217 516330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might be the best route for you to go down
< 1427752223 550273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra checking like that ought to cost more of course
< 1427752285 93153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :About MIDIs, I can tell you something I read once (I think it was in Reader's Digest). To index the music, they mark each note as up, down, or same, and use the string of the first few notes represented in this way, in order to find it. Something similar could be done with MIDI, I suppose.
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< 1427752880 108742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A version of the Magic: the Gathering card "Fruit of the First Tree" with exploit (and possibly also cycling) would be called what?
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< 1427753822 667091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can't figure out a card name by which mechanics it uses
< 1427753832 632672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, so I just made one up
< 1427753837 998910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because exploit and cycling haven't been in the same set yet, so we don't know what setting it would be in
< 1427753869 839821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just called it "Fruit of the Third Tree" for now; its mana cost is {1} more and it has exploit and cycling {2}
< 1427753974 13945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the setting either of course
< 1427754011 204060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made up another card that has a trigger "when any creature is exploited", without caring who or what exploits it.
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< 1427754435 762612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What setting do you think that would be in?
< 1427754514 344429 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do exploit and cycling do+
< 1427754620 839941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: exploit is "when CARDNAME enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice a creature", the cards with that ability normally give you some reason why you'd /want/ to
< 1427754621 470595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exploit means when this comes into play, you may sacrifice a creature (the permanent with that ability is then considered to have exploited the sacrificed creature). Cycling means you can pay the cost and then discard it from your hand in order to draw a card.
< 1427754648 659747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cycling is "pay «cost», discard CARDNAME from your hand: draw a card" («cost» is traditionally {2} but weirder costs have been seen more recently)
< 1427754809 56028 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1427754837 587276 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cycling seems like an interesting mechanic
< 1427754847 476126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The newest set invented exploit and megamorph keywords.
< 1427754856 251053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the ones they bring out every now and then because they need a card flow mechanic
< 1427754867 335216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both only on creatures, though.
< 1427754894 864183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, both mechanics could go on other things
< 1427754915 940090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the design intent behind exploit is that you can sacrifice the creature it's on
< 1427754918 269925 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bird
< 1427754918 996837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bird bird bird bird
< 1427754919 495443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's unlikely to go on a noncreature
< 1427754958 514320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, if it is a creature you can do that, but that doesn't mean it has to be a creature; it just means that if it isn't, then you can't do that unless something else makes it to be a creature.
< 1427754963 628751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes
< 1427754976 243326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that if they design a mechanic for a specific purpose
< 1427754983 897639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not normally used in contexts where that purpose doesn't work
< 1427755006 763570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my point is that if they design a mechanic for a specific purpose, then you can try to use it for other purposes too.
< 1427755163 549717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made up card having ninjutsu even though it is not a creature, as well as creature that has both ninjutsu and defender. In the former case, it can come into play tapped but can't attack (unless it is an instant or sorcery in which case it remains in your hand); in the latter case it only attacks once.
< 1427755391 961490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can also create a table of contents window in PDF. Still I think PDF isn't very good
< 1427755794 543093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a card with defender and haste in future sight
< 1427755822 818200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know, I have seen that
< 1427756038 293714 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cat canary
< 1427756039 171414 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat canary? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1427756043 982382 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat canary
< 1427756046 399776 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chirp
< 1427756080 879880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add another command that executes shell command like that but sets the locale to C before executing your command.
< 1427756102 183396 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ln -s canary wisdom/canary; ls -l wisdom/canary
< 1427756106 993957 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 6 Mar 30 22:56 wisdom/canary -> canary
< 1427756122 191544 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm wisdom/canary; ln -s ../canary wisdom/canary; ls -l wisdom/canary
< 1427756127 264318 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 9 Mar 30 22:57 wisdom/canary -> ../canary
< 1427756132 87429 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canary
< 1427756132 929819 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chirp
< 1427756137 808948 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll do
< 1427756218 907115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canary is in wisdom?
< 1427756222 343112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1427756233 170109 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1427756253 803575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't particularly informative or entertaining
< 1427756256 744732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just noise
< 1427756261 394580 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair
< 1427756267 522157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been guilty of introducing noise into wisdom/ too, of course
< 1427756291 646783 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though actually making use of the canary file was a bit amusing, but alas
< 1427756304 392257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm wrong, then
< 1427756316 186972 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could well be the one being wrong
< 1427756452 105215 :scott!uid25790@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fnsnawfeineqwcwo PART :#esoteric
< 1427756463 94207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I fixed HackEgo now it can use C locale instead of the stupid one
< 1427756479 837251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you put ``` at the front of the command rather than ``
< 1427756522 529343 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo $LANG
< 1427756523 668708 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_NZ.UTF-8
< 1427756531 682776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` echo $LANG
< 1427756532 612029 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C
< 1427756560 402909 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :english New Zealand?
< 1427756638 996946 :MoALTz_!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427756643 480316 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Zealand English indeed.
< 1427756651 123377 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(en_CA's the best, tho :D)
< 1427756679 328003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also Canadian, but I think the best setting should be LANG=C
< 1427756732 810095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not Canadian.
< 1427756740 45064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about en_US.utf-8?
< 1427756743 568927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? canada
< 1427756744 621546 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada is Big Scotland. Like, you know, very big.
< 1427756816 644664 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1427756838 468826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I want LANG=C any other setting is no good. It can also be useful to set different settings for telephone, money, etc but even then it should be part of the database probably, rather than using the wrong setting for the database and cause a mess.
< 1427756887 609354 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: ELONGATED CHICKEN
< 1427756919 793143 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 QUIT :Quit: STAPLED CHICKEN
< 1427756930 83954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinion is also to make CLI message always print in English (or in an abbreviated form), but GUI and documentation can use any languages, possibly multiple in case people of different language want to read this documentation too.
< 1427756962 931751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not only always in English, but also they should always be in ASCII too, as much as possible.)
< 1427756976 964225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I don't like English?
< 1427757004 482966 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale -a
< 1427757005 426066 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aa_DJ \ aa_DJ.utf8 \ aa_ER \ aa_ER@saaho \ aa_ET \ af_ZA \ af_ZA.utf8 \ am_ET \ an_ES \ an_ES.utf8 \ ar_AE \ ar_AE.utf8 \ ar_BH \ ar_BH.utf8 \ ar_DZ \ ar_DZ.utf8 \ ar_EG \ ar_EG.utf8 \ ar_IN \ ar_IQ \ ar_IQ.utf8 \ ar_JO \ ar_JO.utf8 \ ar_KW \ ar_KW.utf8 \ ar_LB \ ar_LB.utf8 \ ar_LY \ ar_LY.utf8 \ ar_MA \ ar_MA.utf8 \ ar_OM \ ar_OM.utf8 \ ar_QA \ ar
< 1427757042 707165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Then you can access the documentation in the language that you do like instead.
< 1427757071 99221 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_ALL=ar_LB.utf8 echo > /dev/full
< 1427757072 427595 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: echo: write error: No space left on device
< 1427757153 237114 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_ALL=ru_RU.utf8 /bin/echo > /dev/full # ok, it works in principle...
< 1427757154 152424 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/echo: ошибка записи: На устройстве кончилось место
< 1427758711 330082 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is ar_LB?
< 1427758726 399837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arabic (Lebanon)
< 1427758729 603364 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1427758771 186478 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_ALL=ja_JP.utf8 echo >/dev/full
< 1427758786 615915 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: 0 行: echo: 書き込みエラー: デバイスに空き領域がありません
< 1427758808 610672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_ALL=he_IL.utf8 echo > /dev/full
< 1427758809 440503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: line 0: echo: write error: No space left on device
< 1427758816 488357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow
< 1427759495 788283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1427759580 475239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427759748 256513 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427760715 851974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, although RDF files are often plain text so you can read them anyways
< 1427761122 208323 :bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qoxnkzvnezbswvyq JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427761411 924426 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned that relatively recently. It seems suspiciously TeX-like--do you know if there is any relation between the two?
< 1427761425 454664 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, sorry, was thinking of RTF
< 1427762030 229217 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc RDF is suspiciously HTML-like
< 1427762075 887480 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. XML but with bendy rules
< 1427762083 931909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolsner
< 1427762283 862225 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :.quit
< 1427762286 432191 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1427764074 12191 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: Konsole, like all of KDE, uses UCS2
< 1427764109 64894 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :an astral character may display correctly, but it counts as two for various things
< 1427764583 463797 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Ugh.
< 1427764594 984705 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS2 of all things...
< 1427765273 488351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1427765915 311007 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1427766250 987203 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427766967 34992 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that out when I wanted to try to fix KCharSelect not supporting codepoints outside the BMP
< 1427767000 380688 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qchar.html I don't think it'll change anytime soon :\
< 1427767280 669391 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1427767740 85802 :Lymia!~lymia@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1427769917 978624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, RDF isn't specifically XML; XML is one format to store RDF data, but another is Turtle.
< 1427769936 592044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own FOAF file also stores RDF data, but it is Turtle rather than XML.
< 1427769937 945202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See?
< 1427769992 556683 :Judas!~Judas@iro35-1-78-232-130-105.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427770043 447488 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427770314 630060 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1427770605 759701 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427770648 602333 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is better?
< 1427770814 788331 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1427771864 865652 :MDude!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDream
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< 1427775003 46337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, I prefer to use Turtle, but some prefer XML. For a simple (but not very good for writing by hand and reading manually either) format, there is N-Triples. Any N-Triples document is a valid Turtle document though; N-Triples is a subset of Turtle.
< 1427775076 626252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Therefore any Turtle parser also parses N-Triples. The SQLite extension I wrote can convert Turtle into N-Triples.)
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< 1427788131 559583 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1427788140 510171 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...
< 1427788148 29999 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll invent a religion that is offended by taxes
< 1427788156 715513 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I move to indiana, stop paying my taxes
< 1427788176 152805 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that law is enforced if your religion is not christianity
< 1427788181 661342 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1427788184 698216 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn.
< 1427788191 755077 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may need to pay the politicians instead.
< 1427788226 61194 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently \sum_{k=0}^n k \binom{n}{k} = n 2^{n-1}.
< 1427788242 191617 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I could sell my religion as a sub-group of christianity
< 1427788252 559081 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of christian churches with slightly different beleives out there.
< 1427788263 952321 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly believes.
< 1427788269 265180 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could just join that religion
< 1427788283 59872 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way!
< 1427788293 561313 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wana be a pope.
< 1427788297 210982 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of my own christian church.
< 1427788301 733044 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word you want is beliefs
< 1427788304 686768 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believes is a verb
< 1427788310 83933 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the fancy dresses I could wear then.
< 1427788355 427945 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not all christian churches have popes.
< 1427788359 877559 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's just the catholics?
< 1427788395 494100 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the proof of that identity is obvious
< 1427788397 725316 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny that protestants and catholics more or less have the same beliefs but protestants kinda see the pope as a phony.
< 1427788444 68836 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What are your beliefs?
< 1427788444 187177 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: who is yome? arcus? gnomon? are you using ubuntu 5.10?)
< 1427788450 930328 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Debian.
< 1427788451 22827 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: there's two of them touch when using framebuffer
< 1427788459 968149 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What?
< 1427788460 87300 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: i used the c subset for the most part, its going to be
< 1427788531 150840 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/parents-could-be-reported-to-police-if-children-play-violent-video-games-like-call-of-duty-and-grand-theft-auto-10141697.html
< 1427788534 252615 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a shame.
< 1427788548 690658 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody knows that you have to start playing these games at 14 years old to become a pro by 18
< 1427788564 921219 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then slowly decay until you completely suck at age 24 because you're eyes aren't fast enough anymore.
< 1427788570 968239 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your
< 1427788573 689047 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: A C subset? Sounds pretty limited
< 1427788573 945347 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i would simply use midi
< 1427788587 430114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: so you're into music-based esolangs
< 1427788587 844079 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: what is /dev/ random, but there's no message, window creation just silently errors out :)
< 1427788597 460 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is C without pointers still turing complete?
< 1427788750 791972 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1427788756 576454 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, uh
< 1427788760 120774 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you still use arrays?
< 1427788762 902284 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, yes.
< 1427788779 409753 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not... yeah, you have recursion
< 1427788784 31533 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since C isn't turing complete to begin with...
< 1427788797 190304 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: recursion isn't enough
< 1427788807 388424 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: True.
< 1427788810 461565 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you have recursion and branching
< 1427788811 268737 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in any case, you can use files and seeks
< 1427788823 306695 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: even still, that just makes a stack automaton
< 1427788869 136105 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: aren't arrays just pointers?
< 1427788885 457745 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a[b] is defined as *(a+b) or something
< 1427788894 759306 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a[b] == b[a]
< 1427788924 707444 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, without pointers you can't open a file
< 1427788927 482687 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1427788930 906427 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I dunno
< 1427788969 159843 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let's forbid array neveretheless for fun
< 1427788974 983418 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no arrays. :)
< 1427788996 878373 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :& * and [] are disallowed.
< 1427789017 753276 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it's useful to talk about C being "turing-complete" in a slightly less strict sense
< 1427789059 649636 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :while C, by definition, has finite memory, we can easily pretend it has unbounded memory, or you could make logical or actual shims to get around this
< 1427789077 296935 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. "compile this code with N bit pointers, if it runs out of memory, compile with 2N bit pointers, etc."
< 1427789111 133422 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: http://c-faq.com/aryptr/aryptr2.html
< 1427789209 723061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: there is file access in the C standard
< 1427789223 441314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing in the standard restricts an impl from providing infinitely large files
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< 1427789336 318883 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: That's why I added "let's forbid array nevertheless" :)
< 1427789512 621414 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: true, but that's not reliable either
< 1427789531 162270 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suppose that it does let you get around the inherent boundedness
< 1427789538 372869 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more interesting to do as I described though :
< 1427789539 274941 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1427789562 727867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's the weird case of forming a PDA using register variables and recursion
< 1427789571 348313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe anything in C prevents that being possible
< 1427789642 189403 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, b_jonas might have it right. I'm having difficulty convincing myself you can do better than a DPDA, since the memory you have access to at any given point is finite
< 1427789729 643609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, exploiting UB you have other options
< 1427789741 937957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like longjmp /into/ a function, which is totally illegal
< 1427789763 709551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which does normally work in practice if you're jumping back to the function you just came from with no function calls in between
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< 1427789773 192070 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, let's not assume that works
< 1427789778 355172 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, is that TC?
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< 1427790140 43107 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: I odn't think so
< 1427790170 325510 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out what our assumptions are
< 1427790181 723474 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a stack, and a pointer into that stack
< 1427790188 400084 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pointer can be moved downwards, or to the top
< 1427790192 422729 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can push and pop things on the stack
< 1427790198 317925 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it is TC
< 1427790199 963679 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1427790206 306231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives you enough control to use the stack as a queue
< 1427790211 481236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one queue is enough
< 1427790236 612050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, the construction I'm thinking of contains a memory leak, but that doesn't matter for TCness
< 1427790269 639601 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be moved arbitrarily anywhere
< 1427790279 489974 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it moved to the top of the stack?
< 1427790286 993817 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see what you're thinking of
< 1427790289 111465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: by longjmping to yourself
< 1427790291 790868 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think that works
< 1427790308 397295 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1427790428 362674 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can't longjmp without pointers either
< 1427790438 749175 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: longjmp takes a pointer argument
< 1427790448 197175 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or doesn't it?
< 1427790461 972502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it takes a jmp_buf argument
< 1427790463 876840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is opaque
< 1427790464 467505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it doesn't
< 1427790466 434723 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1427790477 98675 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1427790491 512762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly you could make the point of "a jmp_buf must be finitely large, so you can use memcpy to look at the individual bits"
< 1427790509 385877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it could be implemented as offsets into a jump table with finitely many keys, but unboundedly large values
< 1427791103 392944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is jmp_buf allowed to fail?
< 1427791116 905183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jmp_buf is a type
< 1427791123 959104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think setjmp is allowed to fail, but I'm not sure
< 1427791147 611016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't
< 1427791154 837935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to have a C11 draft open
< 1427791158 716288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I quickly checked
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< 1427793695 389418 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1427793925 771574 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://divisbyzero.com/2014/08/27/tangent-lines-to-the-sine-function-with-rational-slope/ <- I am very suspicious. I don't think this is right.
< 1427793944 92219 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivially, m=0 is also rational and also a tangent of the sine curve
< 1427793990 65400 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :less trivially... surely if a and c are irrational and b is rational and a < b < c and there is a continuous curve from a to c, it passes through b?
< 1427793995 729786 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one i'm less sure of
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< 1427795082 852151 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...and a similar proof holds for the sine and cosine functions. Thus," <-- SLOPPY
< 1427795127 524907 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "similar proof" seems to be "if α is a nonzero algebraic number then sin(α), cos(α), tan(α) are transcendental"
< 1427795176 170569 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if α is nonzero, but non-algebraic, i.e. rational?
< 1427795204 522371 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I the only one awake here right now? :)
< 1427795228 568682 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I am looking at it
< 1427795233 666305 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NEED SOMETHING TO ENTERTAIN ME WHILE I OPTIMIZE QUERIES THROUGH THE GAUZE OF AN ORM
< 1427795243 838574 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all rationals are algebraic
< 1427795269 140851 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah, technically that's true
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< 1427795370 701892 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because a/b is a root of bx-a = 0
< 1427795393 963680 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then how can you say simple things like "slope = dy/dx = tan(theta)"? if tan(theta) is transcendental, then it's irrational, and cannot be expressed by dy/dx !
< 1427795479 434272 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect there's some subtlety lurking in "transcendental" vs "irrational"
< 1427795521 950888 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dy and dx are not integers, or indeed rationals
< 1427795534 371438 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So dy/dx is not a rational
< 1427795541 19074 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :höhö. Real Time Ad Bidding
< 1427795546 681556 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a genius idea
< 1427795572 802621 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok; then you can only say "dy/dx = tan(theta)" if either dy or dx or both is irrational
< 1427795644 542264 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :so weird, because it seems to be the equivalent of saying there is no theta such that tan(theta) = 1/2
< 1427795648 618405 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe dy and dx are both infinitismals
< 1427795672 268238 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION backs away in fear
< 1427795682 216446 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the context of derivatives)
< 1427795686 982894 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calculus is not my strong suit
< 1427795696 605009 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I agree that the conclusion of that blog post seems wrong
< 1427795895 684423 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: calculus is *definitely* not my strong suit; this is actually the first thing lately in it that has piqued my interest. thanks for looking at it...
< 1427796006 608698 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :< coppro> an astral character may display correctly, but it counts as two for various things – Well, for what things? I need some kind of testcase to subject candidate recommendations to.
< 1427796154 839202 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the theta in tan(theta) = 1/2 is BEYOND TRANSCENDENTAL!!!
< 1427796191 376601 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, unlikely
< 1427796211 1768 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :my word, this coffee is awful
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< 1427796971 610265 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, that theta is certainly transcendental
< 1427797133 280329 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha!
< 1427797150 680917 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not asking whether there are any lines with rational gradient that are tangent to sin(x)
< 1427797172 413136 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's asking whether there are any lines with rational gradient that also go throw the origin that are tangent to sin(x)
< 1427797363 665824 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. ok, that eliminates m=0
< 1427797378 614563 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, he didn't say y=mx+b, he just said y=mx
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< 1427797521 94370 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that kind of reduces it to... what kind of number is arctan(1/2)? because, if tan(theta) is transcendental for theta != 0, ...
< 1427797555 419983 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be reduced to "inverses of transcendental functions, how do they work?"
< 1427797605 589722 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the range really restricted to irrational numbers (and we just fudge it for practical purposes?)
< 1427797637 445545 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/range/domain/
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< 1427797792 630385 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, it might actually *be* "beyond transcendental"
< 1427797818 241167 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :an uncomputable real (or at least, inexpressible as a transcendental)
< 1427797907 874820 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427798285 167462 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric : scow <-- so what's "scow" in hebrew
< 1427798850 595088 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1427799351 794755 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but I could sell my religion as a sub-group of christianity <-- tricky, i'm afraid that biblical jesus explicitly answered the question of whether to pay taxes.
< 1427799406 933556 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he did?
< 1427799463 825634 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that capitalist.
< 1427799488 642584 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427799545 922089 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :matthew 22:17-21
< 1427799562 346404 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the english seems to use "tribute"
< 1427799603 341397 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it *may* be a bit confusing with us dollars, they have *both* a picture of a president and "in god we trust" on them.
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< 1427799722 240767 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what kind of number is arctan(1/2) anyway
< 1427799735 141353 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> arctan (1/2)
< 1427799736 584203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: ‘arctan’
< 1427799736 584817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant ‘atan’ (imported from Prelude)
< 1427799743 371990 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> atan (1/2)
< 1427799744 738374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.4636476090008061
< 1427799748 769045 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> atan (1/2) / pi
< 1427799750 219003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.14758361765043326
< 1427799760 284886 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1427799761 603582 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if theta != 0 then tan(theta) is transcendental, and 1/2 is not transcendental
< 1427799766 847578 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't give my money back to the guys that are on the bill
< 1427799767 684426 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1427799769 556592 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are dead
< 1427799800 106833 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: erm presumably theta must be rational or algebraic or the like for that to be true.
< 1427799818 148378 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebraic, yes. and 1/2 is algebraic
< 1427799867 658583 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :er -- not that 1/2 being algebraic is very relevant.
< 1427799873 58074 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atan(1) is pi/4 iirc
< 1427799876 467995 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think. easy to get confused)
< 1427799883 9110 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> atan 1 / pi
< 1427799884 587007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.25
< 1427800009 196287 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can see the log for context, but: a "slight variation" on Lindemann–Weierstrass theorem says that if a is algebraic and != 0, sin(a) is transcendental. so... if sin(a) is 1/2, it's not transcendental, so... is a not algebraic?
< 1427800016 296755 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is transcendental
< 1427800018 144504 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess
< 1427800033 236480 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sin is easier
< 1427800039 834021 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> asin(1/2)/pi
< 1427800041 145857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.16666666666666669
< 1427800046 488086 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, any transcendental function would suffer from this it seems
< 1427800053 410842 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pi/6
< 1427800065 400958 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok i don't care about the values
< 1427800071 444833 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is indeed not algebraic
< 1427800076 91625 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try the other tack
< 1427800088 94368 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but yes, that does imply a is not algebraic.
< 1427800088 808040 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely if a and c are irrational and b is rational and a < b < c and there is a continuous curve from a to c, it passes through b?
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< 1427800112 427207 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the intermediate value theorem.
< 1427800132 250288 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then how what why http://divisbyzero.com/2014/08/27/tangent-lines-to-the-sine-function-with-rational-slope/
< 1427800171 499607 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely there will be SOME slope that passes through a rational as the slope varies as you "slide" up and down the sine curve
< 1427800205 196119 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. and this is a problem how?
< 1427800211 431519 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH
< 1427800221 139771 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :through the ORIGIN
< 1427800224 153284 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jeez
< 1427800231 721675 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok n/m
< 1427800239 732427 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :that result seems ultra-trivial now
< 1427800261 863713 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that link does not speak about the origin?
< 1427800268 51519 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does
< 1427800317 336028 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :just reading comprehension fail on my part -- even after Taneb pointed it out (i was thinking y-axis for some reason)
< 1427800387 476000 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think there's some right weirdness about transcendental functions
< 1427800394 793775 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's much less weird than it seemed earlier
< 1427800437 94333 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, US dollars tell us to trust God when He says give to Washington what is Washington's or something
< 1427800488 60545 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fiendish
< 1427800522 197312 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Washington even on US currency?
< 1427800651 74368 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :until they replace the $1 bill with a coin, like all the SANE countries have done, i think he is
< 1427800674 622573 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that someone else? don't really rememebr
< 1427800687 11339 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is washington
< 1427800690 699170 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been to the US since I was 3
< 1427800694 570007 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was just looking it up
< 1427800881 831440 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MISALIGNED CHICKEN
< 1427800926 875748 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :godofgods
< 1427800968 214697 :godofgods!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin
< 1427801267 334658 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it now; flipside of Lindemann–Weierstrass; if f(a) is rational, and f is a transcendental function, then a must be transcendental
< 1427801325 213743 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or at least for sin/cos/tan; there may be other, weirder functions
< 1427801386 163659 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I NEED SOMETHING TO ENTERTAIN ME WHILE I OPTIMIZE QUERIES THROUGH THE GAUZE OF AN ORM <-- this gets so much better if you use the norwegian meaning of ORM
< 1427801430 78013 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, the norse meaning, which sort of includes dragons
< 1427801516 230538 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i'm not sure that "transcendental function" has a very exact meaning
< 1427801523 118048 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :“wyrm”?
< 1427801532 139330 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: that's cognate, yes
< 1427801551 977521 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also to "worm", naturally.
< 1427801600 942868 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but given the inclusion of dragons, “wyrm” seemed more appropriate to ask.
< 1427801643 282600 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: if you define it simply as "not algebraic", then it would include fairly trivial counterexamples.
< 1427801652 154629 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there’s the Zamonian Orm, which is … writer’s divine inspiration, I guess?
< 1427801668 719679 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think "wyrm" may be just the old plural of "worm"?
< 1427801703 821111 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ety wyrm
< 1427801703 827279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Parse failed: TemplateHaskell is not enabled
< 1427801722 502808 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :… huh.
< 1427801774 411634 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ety
< 1427801774 450318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Define what?
< 1427801804 97125 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: bug ^
< 1427801820 180210 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure?
< 1427801836 832983 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ety has editing distance two from let...
< 1427801847 642066 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1427801879 25784 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain somehow saw "Define what?" and thought "ok, that sounds like a dictionary command"
< 1427801906 457273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes this auto-correction can be very confusing. But that's a different matter.)
< 1427801942 779897 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok "wyrm" isn't plural, just an older form
< 1427801985 535936 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/worm
< 1427802032 353638 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :An older form for an older sense, to a degree. Neat.
< 1427802065 453200 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1427802087 529828 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonderful Object-Relational Mapper (with heavy sarcasm on the "wonderful")
< 1427802217 250468 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in Pandora's box of wonders?
< 1427802303 61225 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Though perhaps that analagy is too optimistic; there was hope in *that* box. )
< 1427802361 685948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427802372 490268 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :In German, the more general sort of worms has mostly only survived in compounds like “Lindwurm” and “Tatzelwurm”.
< 1427802427 813843 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I believe dy and dx are both infinitismals <-- that is if you are giving them separate meanings at all; in elementary calculus definitions dy/dx is not really decomposed into dy and dx, but is more like a notation for a higher-order function
< 1427802531 537531 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also an option of considering dy and dx as differential forms
< 1427802552 271704 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means they're still not numbers
< 1427802565 617613 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we're at wurms and worms and wyrms?
< 1427802575 634863 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION backs away in even more fear
< 1427802627 698698 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: dy/dx is leibnit?z's intuitive notation, which works if you know what you're doing.
< 1427802682 252036 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no t, apparently
< 1427802700 47401 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although at least one website got it wrong)
< 1427802975 886147 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and here i thought slope was just "rise over run"
< 1427803000 110834 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows who put that phrase into my head
< 1427803009 558148 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :some math teacher, way back when
< 1427803017 356856 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the average slope
< 1427803028 627127 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you want slope at a point, you must take the limit of that
< 1427803037 568313 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i suppose you must
< 1427803084 167154 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it gets all ugly
< 1427803139 126350 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily uglier than when you don't take the limit
< 1427803185 321745 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the limit allows you to toss away many of the error terms
< 1427803288 971336 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427803930 358258 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... philosophically ugly?
< 1427803994 912414 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"infinitesimals"
< 1427804029 590005 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :some will wave their hands, others will attempt to build a workable basis under it
< 1427804115 326820 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :still others will shout "NO!", perhaps
< 1427804127 491021 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definitions in introductory calculus don't use infinitesimals.
< 1427804186 842213 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, you don't need to, but you can, and then they call your system of analysis "non-standard" for some reason
< 1427804200 119607 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just an alternative approach which takes some really heavy stuff to get consistent, and which also happens to be what people hand-waved *before* they learned how to define calculus properly.
< 1427804243 918563 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine. i'm a finitist. i only believe in finitesimals. of course, i'm only taking this position in order to intentionally make it ugly
< 1427804380 735152 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia does not have a page for Finitesimal
< 1427804384 909311 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :their loss
< 1427804577 274530 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet... https://www.wordnik.com/words/finitesimal
< 1427804685 684000 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1427805742 468651 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i wonder if i AM a finitist
< 1427805782 666842 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm certainly not an ultrafinitist. that's just silly.
< 1427805821 233620 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe the definition of infinite sets is valid, even though they can never be concretely realized
< 1427805911 140235 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, it's kind of like how aesthetic philosophers can say that a picture of a unicorn has a null denotation, because unicorns don't exist
< 1427805919 315284 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as if they know unicorns don't exist)
< 1427806446 692026 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :would an ultrafinitist assert that 2↑↑↑6 - 2↑↑↑6 cannot be shown to be 0, on the grounds that 2↑↑↑6 is just too darn big?
< 1427806489 748276 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@c-24-147-92-185.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1427806513 283627 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sufficiently big numbers are susceptible to bit errors
< 1427806887 821997 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Please stand by while we evaluate that difference... )
< 1427807030 741981 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please convince me that 2↑↑6 is a natural number. I already have trouble fitting 6^6^6^6 into my (computer's) brain...
< 1427807039 166739 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1427807089 242663 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry that has nothing to do with it. But indeed 2^2^2^2^2^2 is too large for my computer. :)
< 1427807094 176490 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Esenin-Volpin#Mathematical_work
< 1427807105 85668 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :box quote
< 1427807198 345890 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1427807210 847114 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427807229 189984 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I anticipated this in my "Please stand by" remark.
< 1427807285 670065 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anticipation is the sincerest form of imitation
< 1427807350 244551 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a different perspective, math is about anticipation: I anticipate that 2↑↑↑6 - 2↑↑↑6 is zero.
< 1427807358 455601 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is/will be/
< 1427807415 907101 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the ratio of anticipation to perspiration
< 1427807443 29276 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, infinity?!
< 1427807463 581097 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I actually anticipate that n-n = 1 for any natural number n.
< 1427807470 404524 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1427807474 628266 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot the typo.
< 1427807478 192284 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is a natural number, 6 is a natural number, and and arrowarrowarrow maps pairs of natural numbers to natural numbers
< 1427807542 846346 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no excuse for that. I simply should not think about n/n while typing n-n...)
< 1427807549 99529 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i don't know what i am, because in some sense i believe 1/0 - 1/0 = 0, too
< 1427807575 978263 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/g10DqPbbUuw that combination of video and music disturbs me
< 1427807585 409909 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Right, there's some grounds for doubting that 2^^^6 is a natural number.
< 1427807639 59665 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be an infinitist, but then i took an arrow to the knee
< 1427807640 708205 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i don't see them, though (unless they lie in the area of doubt about the validity of structural induction)
< 1427807642 391494 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that 1/0 is not a natural number, as a matter of anticipation: Such a natural number d would have to satisfy d*0 = 1, but I anticipate that d*0 will always be 0 instead.
< 1427807668 674158 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(today's retro-meme sponsored by coca-cola (TM))
< 1427807673 637576 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also anticipate this discussion getting out of hand.)
< 1427807766 680148 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, 2012 is retro!?
< 1427807796 930101 :ProofTechnique!~ptech@65-183-137-193-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1427807813 332505 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it older than that
< 1427807876 366725 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skyrim came out in November 2011
< 1427807881 402671 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, but not by much
< 1427807944 497269 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the first thing i heard about the meme was people being sick of it
< 1427808115 532927 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also think I believe there are more natural numbers than there are even natural numbers
< 1427808140 709078 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i know those two sets have the same cardinality
< 1427808177 335554 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1427808188 429827 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that the set of natural numbers should be bigger than the set of even/odd numbers
< 1427808194 513258 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since only every second number is even/odd
< 1427808195 116150 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1427808196 862503 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that the weather is terrible here right now
< 1427808202 361710 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGNT
< 1427808206 938130 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of natural numbers should be twice as large.
< 1427808235 725543 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only seems intuitive. and, as we all know, in mathematics, intuition reigns
< 1427808248 496724 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Afterall
< 1427808257 418465 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every number except 1 should be the same size as every number except 2
< 1427808273 12568 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and smaller then the set of every number
< 1427808274 728258 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*than
< 1427808279 971777 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA
< 1427808280 330059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 311320Z 25005KT 210V290 9999 FEW040TCU 05/M03 Q0982 NOSIG RMK WIND 670FT 33003KT
< 1427808286 801384 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGNT
< 1427808287 346421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGNT 311320Z 28024G35KT 9999 FEW015CB 07/01 Q1000
< 1427808289 765157 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that's my intuition as a sucker at math.
< 1427808381 407943 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/n for n -> infinity is infinity too
< 1427808390 275332 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1427808393 635492 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/n for n -> 0 is infinity
< 1427808412 886706 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which suggests that infinity * 0 may be 1!
< 1427808442 519407 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't make sense :)
< 1427808491 669311 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/n for n -> infinity is 0 (according to many people)
< 1427808528 438823 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1427808532 229289 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant -> 0
< 1427808685 361267 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because 1/0 - 1/0 = 0 (in my current madness) doesn't mean that 1/0 = infinity, i should note
< 1427808746 659964 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more that 1/0 is "poorly defined" but - is able to operate on things that are poorly defined
< 1427808749 662762 :MDream!~fyrc@pa-67-235-2-71.dhcp.embarqhsd.net NICK :MDude
< 1427808996 242315 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have to work this out in detail, but "how many [even] natural numbers" are also "poorly defined", but again, > is able to operate on them
< 1427809028 989388 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just kind of hoping someone here sees my madness as says "oh yes, i've seen that before, that's ____ism"
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< 1427812807 846704 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may well ask what i believe 0 * 1/0 to be.
< 1427812811 198269 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very simple.
< 1427812823 175765 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 * 1/0 contains a race condition, and should not be used in production mathematics
< 1427812860 114538 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: in a terminal emulator, it will sort of occupy two columns
< 1427812862 140474 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of not
< 1427812879 962341 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you backspace it, you only delete the second surrogate and not the first also
< 1427813300 265593 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :another option is that 0 * 1/0 = {0, 1}. why should square root have all the fun of being multi-valued?
< 1427813416 188063 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, 0*x = 0, so {0, 1} = 0 * 1/0 = (0*x) * 1/0 = 0 * (x * 1/0) = 0 * (x/0) = x???
< 1427813521 96959 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I’ve never noticed any such errors in either gnome-terminal or xfce4-terminal, fwiw.
< 1427813601 44225 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I am suggesting that the set of values 0 * 1/0 is the set of values multiplication is defined for and remains associative
< 1427813677 146073 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, well. race conditions are nasty
< 1427813790 371135 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I will retreat to either 0 * 1/0 = 0, or 0 * 1/0 = 0/0 (which is also "poorly defined")
< 1427813824 892671 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could also be 0 * 1 * 0^(-1) = 0 * 0^(-1) * 1 = 1, no?
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< 1427813918 907473 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have definitely not defined ^ yet
< 1427813931 738856 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what is it with all this so-called "algebra"
< 1427813956 359991 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 * 1/0 = 0/0 holds in wheel theory, anyway.
< 1427814002 540217 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: yeah
< 1427814011 10473 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: but how configurable and nice are they?
< 1427814015 967527 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I get rid of all the window decoration?
< 1427814232 879438 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :if wheel theory can make the guts of this madness consistent, i'm all for it
< 1427814243 191397 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/aheui/aheui.aheui
< 1427814266 114045 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1427814272 278864 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/aheui/aheui.aheui/blob/master/aheui.aheui
< 1427814281 93849 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly even more awesome if you can read hangul
< 1427814288 27727 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then it sounds like something instead of just looks like something
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< 1427814474 609946 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, even to native speakers, this is *really* weird sounded. :)
< 1427814486 53826 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1427814674 616194 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I am rid of the window decoration by dint of using xmonad, don’t know how one would remove it if something chooses to draw it in the first place; the menu bar is hideable. In general, probably less configurable than konsole, just by a rule of thumb.
< 1427814683 739214 :mroman!~roman2@80.246.50.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
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< 1427815145 345436 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, no, yeah, wheel theory isn't going to help this
< 1427815393 331836 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great, now i'm listening to bjork singing about lucky nights "when 1 + 1 = 3." this isn't helping
< 1427815501 642225 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why my multiplication *has* to be commutative
< 1427815525 890045 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just more useful that way
< 1427815556 813596 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix multiplication is not commutative and still useful
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< 1427815766 405978 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody know if there was anything about two-dimensional languages of interest in "real science" besides PLAN2D?
< 1427815823 173354 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do 2D cellular automata qualify?
< 1427815848 689916 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa. i had not heard of PLAN2D.
< 1427815865 45510 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :1974.
< 1427815891 152703 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d ca's should totally qualify if you are talking about computation, maybe not so much if you are talking about programming
< 1427815907 434264 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am talking about programming
< 1427815914 249300 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :flowcharts
< 1427815915 132510 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know there are a bunch of formal languages
< 1427815951 510461 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: flowcharts, seriously
< 1427815985 537576 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well, yeah, but you don't compile flowcharts
< 1427816029 511274 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: you have to be specific about your constraints. 2-dimensional, programming, compiled...
< 1427816049 385341 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it basically
< 1427816105 412847 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether Plankalkül qualifies as a 2D language (it specifies functions as tables that can be nested)
< 1427816117 437320 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i would say yes
< 1427816134 109372 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but you don't compile plankalkuel"
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< 1427816226 634113 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zuse-z1.zib.de/simulations/plankalkuel/compiler/plankalk.html ... uses a linearized input format :/
< 1427816276 307992 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I had not found http://www.catb.org/retro/plankalkuel/ yet...
< 1427816327 328237 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-dimensional, programming, compiled, ... and DOES NOT ADMIT A LINEARIZED INPUT FORMAT
< 1427816331 574127 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :check and mate
< 1427816337 396509 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: impossible
< 1427816401 447263 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well you must know that.
< 1427817183 330324 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: will you accept "interpreted" as well as "compiled"?
< 1427817196 535378 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: name it
< 1427817203 680254 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :spreadsheets
< 1427817235 656215 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is indeed an interesting approach
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< 1427818245 150881 :oerjan!6d6cca49@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.202.73 QUIT :Quit: DOES NOT ADMIT A LINEARIZED DEFINITION
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< 1427821092 515773 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.philforhumanity.com/Zero_Times_Infinity.html "This is the definition of undefined."
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< 1427821737 867271 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 * ⊥
< 1427821824 896401 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your turing machine is going to loop forever, it might as well do something useful while it's looping forever, for example, search for a proof that it loops forever
< 1427821838 962781 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++
< 1427821839 500675 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1427821853 474637 :cpressey!~cpressey@35.87.2.81.in-addr.arpa PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: NO CARRIER
< 1427821892 237880 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++ DIVIDE BY CUCUMBER ERROR +++
< 1427821892 736042 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1427821893 221478 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++ATH0
< 1427821893 486530 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1427821900 26019 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++ PLEASE REINSTALL UNIVERSE +++
< 1427821900 538410 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1427821917 813423 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,p
< 1427821918 100731 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavier
< 1427821928 124868 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ominous
< 1427822021 564926 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,d
< 1427822030 519309 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+!cal -m
< 1427822030 772458 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1427822046 660814 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+r !cal -m
< 1427822046 946744 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1427822118 922098 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :+e /etc/passwd
< 1427822119 209117 :edirc!~edirc@unaffiliated/izabera/bot/edirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
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< 1427824972 97009 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever get that feeling when you see a car you're just like please hit me
< 1427825012 58592 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1427825026 105783 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really
< 1427825031 304352 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not once?
< 1427825156 287184 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what you been doin' lately int-e
< 1427825196 215049 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I avoided being hit by cars, among other things.
< 1427825293 119121 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No but like never an internal feeling of like hit me car I dare you
< 1427825296 648546 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just me ok
< 1427825350 870430 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess its a youngin' thing int-e is to old to wish to be hit directly with a speeding chunk of steel
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< 1427825636 946833 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :©_
< 1427825695 536477 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you calculate the infinite curvature of a tomatoe using polynumerals
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< 1427826219 639382 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^2+4y+ 2(x^2+8xy^3)
< 1427826222 297171 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it
< 1427826227 663985 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polynomials*
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< 1427826481 535113 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x^2+4y+ 2(x^2+8xy^3)
< 1427826483 795232 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence ‘y’
< 1427826483 796385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either ‘L.y’, defined at L.hs:143:1
< 1427826483 796436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : or ‘Debug.SimpleReflect.y’,
< 1427826488 457896 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes
< 1427826499 443869 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot I cant code
< 1427826546 366042 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type L.y
< 1427826547 476307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo
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< 1427826557 352479 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined.
< 1427826574 571807 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Java enforce capitals on type names
< 1427826595 721773 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ doesn't
< 1427826644 267830 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so but I haven't been on a computer in 3 years to find out
< 1427826654 756089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how Java does, but in C and C++ the type names are just like any other name; in Haskell you can indicate that it is a type or constructor by capitalizing it.
< 1427826721 537931 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Rottytooth14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42243&oldid=41898 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+22) 10added Time Out
< 1427826878 91524 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok... Apparently Java allows me to make classes with any "letters" including unicode
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< 1427826952 947086 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can have separate classes named Αpple, Apple, apple, and Аpple
< 1427827004 789000 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is wrong with that?
< 1427827022 197713 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or surprising
< 1427827115 249965 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is surprising because in general languages tend to be ascii, except in strings and comments. It is bad, because there are many characters which are visually identical
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< 1427827209 427310 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure about that first point
< 1427827213 281279 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know at least Haskell isn't
< 1427827224 383604 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with great power comes great responsibility
< 1427827303 305538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not sure hth
< 1427827351 72501 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, C seems to be ASCII
< 1427827430 701621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do agree that only strings and comments should be allowed to use non-ASCII characters.
< 1427827481 18217 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was only aware of unicode names being allowed in Perl.
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< 1427827626 307192 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another problem could be invisible names: https://www.snip2code.com/Snippet/54187/Unicode-special-space-characters-as-ruby
< 1427827640 406222 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which apparently Ruby allows
< 1427827736 470412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If non-ASCII names are allowed, you will allow such things like that too, generally.
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< 1427827851 974827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some formats are required to allow non-ASCII names. RDF Turtle does, although my implementation simply allows all bytes 128-255 and all escape codes wherever any escape code or non-ASCII character is allowed. This is one way to do such an implementation without confusion, but still I would recommend, don't use non-ASCII characters outside of string literals and comments.
< 1427828525 51997 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>ㄲ
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< 1427830867 453851 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Time Out14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42244 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+2646) 10adding new language
< 1427830939 252215 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Time Out14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42245&oldid=42244 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (-3) 10/* Language Overview */ formatting, adding how programs end
< 1427831050 220039 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Time Out14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42246&oldid=42245 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+25) 10/* External resources */
< 1427831102 816875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just so you know, there'll be a planned fungot outage soonishly.
< 1427831102 989623 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( which is added to make it recursive... so that it could be
< 1427831116 87128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: No, not a recursive outage. How would that even work?
< 1427831116 189874 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a real schemer when i use fnord for underlambda, .ul for underload
< 1427831153 3331 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.80.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning! Recursive outage ahead!
< 1427831198 167571 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.80.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does not know how that would even work, but finds it immensely entertaining to consider
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< 1427831693 783291 :oren!~oren@65.94.97.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't a recursive outagebe one where an outage of one server causes another to fail, for multiple levels?
< 1427831694 682055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Time Out14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42247&oldid=42246 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (-1) 10/* Hello World */ helloworld was wrong
< 1427831814 826798 :Zefphex!~hhs@74-61-60-199.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1427831828 8400 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:Time Out14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42248 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+244) 10call for comments
< 1427831874 941810 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Time Out14]]4 M10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42249&oldid=42247 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+0) 10/* Language Overview */ fixed forth link
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< 1427832196 206896 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.80.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren: something like that; my first thought was an outage on one level causing an outage on "the underlying level", whatever that might mean exactly
< 1427832208 705353 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.80.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a software outage causing a hardware outage causing a reality outage
< 1427832219 664611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Do you like Magic: the Puzzling???
< 1427832234 545031 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.55.80.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have never tried Magic: The Puzzling
< 1427832262 52352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the book, but I also wrote some by myself too.
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< 1427832650 117715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should try, too
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< 1427834922 145446 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Time Out14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42250&oldid=42249 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+197) 10/* Hello World */
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< 1427835333 553616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about algorithm for optimizing the frequent words table of a Z-machine file?
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< 1427835638 792916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems complicated to me, because of possibility of overlapping, as well as the possibility that they will change the optimal shift sequence of other strings.
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< 1427836442 614298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, maybe a good approximation is easier.
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< 1427845386 697455 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.idris-lang.org/en/latest/effects/introduction.html I approve of the footnote
< 1427845715 641992 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42253&oldid=41715 5* 03199.21.86.10 5* (+1) 10/* if (x) { code1 } else { code2 } */ fix Daniel Marschall's solution. It would never end.
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