< 1427500826 642785 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MD5 takes an arbitrary string of characters, passes it through a deterministic blender and produces an unnecessarily long 128-bit value." < 1427501489 331031 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unnecessarily long? < 1427501562 358466 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. MD5/4 compresses it into 32 bits < 1427501598 217235 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it might help to know that the proceedings are dated April 1st 2015. < 1427501611 915595 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1427501626 352617 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Hmm, so they're from the future < 1427501640 876363 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not for long :) < 1427501655 539488 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1427501704 355658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Or, more likely, you're looking at them on a screen because you're too cheap to actually buy the proceedings." They know me so well. < 1427501713 976336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's on the paper copy at all. < 1427501718 953407 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I wasn't looking at the proceedings, and that sentence is mostly accurate < 1427501723 747761 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1427501750 181324 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh jeez, the last page is filled with lots of tiny text < 1427501767 195174 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: At the same time, no self-respecting cryptographer would write that in a scientific publication. < 1427501863 183900 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the solid foundation of the MD5/4 cryptographic hash function" < 1427501900 991475 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the RSA public key cryptosystem signing procedure [10] with a key length of 32 bits" < 1427501905 56052 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so 96 of the bits are not needed? < 1427501915 699188 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1427501942 113004 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: wait until you get to the footnote explaining why 2048 is a more popular choice < 1427501967 877041 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll read this in-depth later < 1427502004 365767 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Copyright © 2015 The Association of Computational Heresy, your leading source for cutting-edge research on Science, Computational Archaeolinguistics, and Artificial Stupidity. " < 1427502054 275021 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :owie. "Kaliningrad, Russia (colloq.); better known in the Formal Literature as Königsberg, Prussia... < 1427502057 255827 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1427502086 924739 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they aren't saying that 96 of the bits can be deduced from 32, they're just saying THEY only need 32 bits < 1427502159 673217 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is this entire thing an elaborate joke or not? < 1427502204 672696 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a valid cryptographic operation, assuming your attacker doesn't have access to modern (post 1960?) computers. < 1427502222 963680 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: you're catching on fast < 1427502237 628597 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427502248 710748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1427502251 47062 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427502269 984384 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunaely in the internet age it is hard to tell whether anything is a joke < 1427502380 225424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the website is to be believed, it's "joke realizations of joke ideaas", "joke realizations of serious ideas", and "serious realizations of joke ideas", all of which /joke/. < 1427502479 63482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a similar set as this channel, isn't it? < 1427502483 761304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least when it's ontopic? < 1427502647 780698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although this channel also has the "related to programming languages" bit set. < 1427502666 936608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allegedly, anyway. < 1427502680 903081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose is mostly the topic anyways < 1427502758 941052 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427503047 264884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`danddreclist 64 < 1427503048 143445 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danddreclist 64: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1427503595 876966 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427503623 464914 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1427503699 714257 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient greeks, including Aristotle and a mortal man [1] named Socrates. < 1427503723 263271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that about the Greeks? < 1427503780 391790 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a sentence from the artivle on "artisanal type theory" < 1427503795 887862 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1427504525 546445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My RDF namespace now has 19 leaf nodes defined. < 1427504910 425730 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By he way, the images are always 256x256, because numbers that are a power of two are faster.²" "²This is true on computers, because computers count in binary. In the human eye, powers of ten are faster, because humans have ten fingers." < 1427504914 940853 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the* < 1427504975 324080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one of those statements that's /just/ accurate enough that you can't outright call it false, while nonetheless being completely misleading < 1427505130 234855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eyes aren't fingers though, isn't it? < 1427505136 467517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1427505200 495336 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Batch file14]]4 N10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=42237 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+76) 10Created page with "== examples == === Hello, World ===
 @echo off echo Hello, World 
" < 1427505253 83733 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Batch file14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42238&oldid=42237 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+24) 10 < 1427505276 548293 :augur_!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427505278 791663 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it these earbuds have too much bass < 1427505295 575002 :augur!~augur@c-71-57-177-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1427505342 718222 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _knew_ I should have bought cheaper ones < 1427505604 372999 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Batch file14]]4 10 02http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42239&oldid=42238 5* 03Esowiki201529A 5* (+6) 10 < 1427505654 8565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is PDJSON larger than my RDF Turtle parser when both are compiled with -s -O2 options? < 1427505794 20171 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1427505899 783354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't RDF Turtle more complicated than JSON? < 1427505968 664632 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the error handling compare in each piece of code? < 1427506074 539273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; maybe you should look. Although, both do check for several errors (there are probably more errors to check for in RDF). < 1427506094 681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can look though, and see if that help < 1427506278 410156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427506577 465435 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1427506640 558680 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... maybe it's strerror? < 1427506710 220587 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would implicitly include a bunch of strings, most of which are never used, < 1427506775 494747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, maybe < 1427506798 634477 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rerere loop unrolling < 1427506837 42494 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: aww < 1427506837 323478 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: fnord by pikhq already exists and doesn't require tcness from that. therefore, a language with card decks. yarr. < 1427507195 424433 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427507210 765748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, strerror is linked externally; the compiled DLL doesn't include all of those strings < 1427507216 137159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked < 1427507249 452490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite that, sqlext_pdjson.dll is 46K and sqlext_turtle.dll is 22K < 1427507659 788799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDJSON does have smaller source-codes though. < 1427508167 371406 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427508308 784400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1427508369 912681 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45c7:74aa:917f:8c54 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427508387 765593 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45c7:74aa:917f:8c54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427508591 451387 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427508778 527158 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427508872 235380 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427509655 201651 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Quit: {{{}}{{{}}{{}}}{{}}} (www.adiirc.com) < 1427509995 851612 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1427510366 198077 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427513680 788280 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427513935 733864 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427514436 949727 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: adu < 1427514825 316466 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427515090 798928 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1427516170 73300 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1427518780 517134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1427520570 223477 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/30hk3l/github_may_be_inaccessible_today_due_to_a_ddos/ < 1427520572 850487 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta love JSONP < 1427521224 918371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1427521363 38407 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that other people are pointing out the obvious right way to fix the DDoS attack, is it that bad if I mention it too? < 1427521375 201574 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first few things I said I avoided mentioning it, but now I haven't < 1427521391 416370 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's an obvious thing... but apparently not obvious to the Chinese gov < 1427521555 731017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's ddos'ing china? < 1427521603 934734 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :China is attempting to DDoS GitHub < 1427521620 597348 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By causing sites using Baidu analytics to make JSONP requests to GitHub < 1427521635 499052 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to cause users to make etc < 1427521645 134326 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GitHub responded by making that URL return an alert() < 1427522911 147517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427522917 24563 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427522928 715029 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427524470 470558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427524485 895753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427524630 267399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427524634 766156 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427524641 996943 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427525069 454290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : god damn it these earbuds have too much bass <-- bass are inferior to babel fishes, anyhow < 1427525186 698117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i suggest featuring Esme for april 1, on the reasoning that it will likely greatly speed up the next feature. < 1427525416 16151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427525423 50024 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427525448 133028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the new version of CLC-INTERCAL is released on April 1, then should you feature the new version of CLC-INTERCAL on April 1? < 1427525519 847638 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Esme is better as a 'this should not be featured' language being featured < 1427525562 666916 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't recommend featuring Esme < 1427525565 678995 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1427525601 955482 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If VeeBeeWiki needs Esme to run, maybe there would be hints of what the language is actually supposed to be < 1427525686 66138 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except only link apparently was dead < 1427526073 567506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked on a TV guide and on the guide in the cable box with DVR to figure out when the show is on, and then I went into the basement to record it on the VCR; are you going to call it strange if I do such thing? < 1427526170 160477 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427526174 592376 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly strange that you'd use VCR if a DVR is present, also wondering why you needed to check two sources < 1427526189 540239 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :videotapes aren't used anymore in Canada, but they are used a lot in Japan, so it' relative < 1427526326 806931 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway DVR can have limitations as to getting the data off the DVR < 1427526386 484763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out they connected it to an input on the DVD recorder on the main floor, so that is one way to copy it I suppose < 1427526412 915240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although someone else is using the DVR and that TV set so I don't want to fill up the disk space or to interfere with their TV shows < 1427526459 80263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I checked two sources is that the TV guide doesn't list shows on at 3AM < 1427526480 380323 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 3AM now < 1427526521 81211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in my timezone < 1427527120 234043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: agreed re: esme < 1427527126 476519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even ironically < 1427527129 660309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1427527130 724945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ironically < 1427527132 583262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not on that level < 1427527974 9981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1427528534 910841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1427528579 69900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the haskell wiki is so broken i cannot even view diffs :( < 1427528612 422646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact no one else has seemingly noticed doesn't bode well. < 1427528624 256104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it means no one is checking edits. < 1427528650 204275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell-infrastructure hth < 1427528702 453726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1427529059 909789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i hats that help < 1427529389 98651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it did, just look at the response < 1427529460 974550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's p. late in haskellland < 1427529708 822714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky western hemisphere < 1427531977 536071 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1427532883 87840 :hjulle!~hjulle@ankadagen.vth.sgsnet.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1427534490 55528 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro JOIN :#esoteric < 1427535519 160512 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric : struct mytest A = {3,5.6,"World",0}; < 1427535522 190482 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric : struct mytest B = {5,3.1415,"Hello",&A}; < 1427535525 277187 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric : prin7f("{%d,%f,%s,%R}",&B); < 1427535551 541951 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :output is: {5,3.141500,Hello,{3,5.600000,World,}} < 1427535557 349888 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :muhuhahahaha < 1427535628 358381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :charming < 1427535713 824770 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prin7f family of functions works sort of like the printf family, except they take their data out of a given buffer instead of from dynamically typed arguments < 1427535757 149703 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The %R specifier recurses into a pointer with the same format < 1427535854 46529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :must it be the whole format? otherwise it seems a bit limited. < 1427535897 991274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we need the full power of BNF here < 1427535909 755927 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm.... < 1427535989 188892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution: make the first argument a struct also >:) < 1427536019 344552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...might be a bit tricky. < 1427536042 889941 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm just covering onw of the most common cases. Full BNF would use an array of formats that can refer to each other with "%{N}" < 1427536138 706602 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1427536221 58910 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I'd have to write code to detect looped pointers.... ugh < 1427536268 330801 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I already need that < 1427536526 480655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 979 < 1427536527 449741 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 979: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti < 1427536548 560854 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, list < 1427536583 902512 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh my FB page hasn't said anything yet < 1427536679 190048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ol' ist < 1427536864 802906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ can just take your trademark like that? < 1427536875 124874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :next it'll have to be ølist < 1427536948 636426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :øl, øl, og mere øl < 1427537237 651879 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Cyclic_Tag_System < 1427537319 763977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: oh wow < 1427537374 981443 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427537463 883588 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The guilty party seems to be http://assets.en.oreilly.com/1/event/27/High%20Performance%20SQL%20with%20PostgreSQL%20Presentation.pdf) < 1427537688 943866 :orin!~g2watson@wolf.cdf.toronto.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/orenwatson/985cdf4a945ee80f756d < 1427537960 265946 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427538044 666205 :zadock!~zadock@muscalu.tuiasi.ro QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1427539133 264326 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427539980 800669 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1427539980 956626 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1427540303 497882 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1427540376 12146 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1427540569 488391 :MoALTz!~no@78.11.179.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427540963 274193 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1427541350 894425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1427541547 489867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: More nagging later < 1427542097 85386 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1427542311 341123 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427542665 344325 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1427542675 340460 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427546072 984043 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427546158 51699 :Patashu_!Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1427547061 872363 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1427547221 240304 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-138.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1427549114 957094 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1427549115 594156 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 281300Z 35011KT 30SM FEW090 FEW240 M09/M17 A3006 RMK AC1CI1 AC TR CI TR SLP181 < 1427549150 468456 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minus fungotting nine. and it was snowing yesterday... < 1427549150 918335 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and diamondie; if they'd still age at this speed and stayed in bed the last 100 years, i'd say. < 1427549190 907786 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I wouldn't mind cats or dogs or diamondies pouring down. as long as it isn't any more snow. < 1427549191 279790 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: also pushing should be fnord?? weirdo! set-car! set-cdr! are functions, but f takes as an argument < 1427549224 155987 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it's not weird, it's common sense. you push and shovel and hurl the snow away. < 1427549224 486130 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: tell me what " fnord" is longer than < 1427549235 236798 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fnord is longer than snow. < 1427549235 546722 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: anyone here familiar with dr scheme? fnord! < 1427549247 275777 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: perhaps. I think racket's more popular nowadays. < 1427549585 821711 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45c7:74aa:917f:8c54 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427549611 483536 :^v!~^v@2601:4:680:104c:45c7:74aa:917f:8c54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427549621 670097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar uh what was that code again < 1427549625 711611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1427549626 794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 281320Z 23017KT 9999 OVC013 13/09 Q1010 TEMPO SCT012 BKN016 < 1427550118 340955 :jameseb!~jameseb_@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1427550118 443646 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1427551048 775973 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you know why fungot forgot about ^rerere and ^rreree? < 1427551048 923561 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i just want to dump the fnord leaves. < 1427551062 346610 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: brilliant excuse < 1427551062 499754 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in your file makes it instantly clear. chopping it into at least two other links that don't work < 1427551152 477166 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps a better question is, does fungot support remembering defined commands over restarts? < 1427551152 531517 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's a zip file stored in a hash-table? what's wrong with it just pointing out that a lot < 1427551240 282900 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427551293 655635 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a zip file in a hash table seems a bit cumbersome for befunge processing < 1427551349 878487 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're underestimating fungot's prowesses. < 1427551350 372872 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm afraid i haven't read it yet. also, saying the f word more than once ( per invocation). < 1427551374 747962 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I wouldn't know. I'm seriously lacking in the f-word department. < 1427551375 104418 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: which is good. ( well, it seems... < 1427551381 625013 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: it is. < 1427551382 49242 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and merging is great!" and was curious if scheme code were parsed textually, you'd never know what you'll find over the rainbow"? x_x < 1427551511 165226 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphical parsing of scheme sounds very cumbersome, fungot < 1427551511 471371 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it's unnecessary, especially if one restricts it to working stuff and marks them appropriately) < 1427551520 989394 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why indeed < 1427551521 343877 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: in c. " fnord"? when i load it?' and how will that help me tracing the prog? hardly < 1427551612 641270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Nobody ^saved? < 1427552100 201767 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a ^save? < 1427552128 644748 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: quite possibly. < 1427552220 300050 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def rreree bf ,..>,[.<.>.>,]<. < 1427552220 401495 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1427552231 631462 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def rerere bf ,.>,.<.>>,[.<.<.>>>,]<.<.>. < 1427552231 632127 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1427552233 887642 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1427552251 155614 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(am I even allowed to do that?) < 1427552363 487512 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ŝave < 1427552366 276061 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1427552369 106009 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1427552378 155560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :revive keys! < 1427552398 252731 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my keys are dead and I like it that way. < 1427552428 704441 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a certified necrokeyboardomancer :D < 1427552776 107919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't think it works for anyone but fizzie to ^save? < 1427553062 426162 :zadock!~zadock@81.180.210.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427554385 546124 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427554946 112116 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c JOIN :#esoteric < 1427555089 639867 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1427555365 150393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1427556267 194235 :Tritonio!~tr@2a04:1980:3100:1aac:92e2:baff:fe42:f24c QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1427559151 452726 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427559300 666272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1427559476 604287 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427559599 243246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1427560148 741385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1427560148 775272 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1427560160 455502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's one of these restricted ones. < 1427560528 822857 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unrestrict < 1427560552 49682 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please, unrestrict yourself. it's for the Greater Good® < 1427560552 331188 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm getting rather tired of incessant divergence from the topic has the url :) :) 3 :) < 1427560562 674871 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: bleh to you too! < 1427560562 968634 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's put onto amb-fail. < 1427561044 434285 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, fungot < 1427561044 861089 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it was some other programming language, it's just too difficult in a statically typed macro system from a large variety of broken keymaps < 1427561949 655533 :vodkode!~vodkode@fl-71-49-15-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427562716 37024 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I could see that, yes < 1427562716 415572 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: well at least it will be a variable name is really call-with-current-continuation. amb is somewhat more roundabout than i thought < 1427563172 984028 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427563472 198392 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/rntz/rotten#rotten < 1427563480 985858 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp compiler that compiles in a backdoor < 1427563492 177624 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when self compiling < 1427563917 573916 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham: you know "reflections on trusting trust", right? http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html < 1427564043 516479 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's the first thing mentioned in the readme.md, I should've clicked the link before answering < 1427564315 12664 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inte: nevah hoid of it! < 1427564322 677555 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inte: you know about diverse double compilation, right? < 1427564332 294835 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1427564752 946096 :GeekDude!~GeekDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1427565812 146440 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, lisp is a poor attack vector for this because we know that every lisp hacker can make their own implementation of lisp < 1427565866 80392 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Large defense surface?) < 1427565963 231829 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is lisp a poor attack vector? < 1427565963 560290 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: seriously i mean da scm monster. water walker. < 1427565985 67344 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, have you tried to make your own dialect of lisp yet? < 1427565985 500425 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: forget your religion is i am an image artist" fnord, i'm sorry, but i can't make < 1427565996 280037 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that parenthesis stuff you mentioned a few days ago I thought you would < 1427566037 293813 :Nokaji!~tris@host-92-31-78-136.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1427566390 222608 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know suckless? < 1427566552 750753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: brb < 1427566641 138043 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1427566680 945212 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, because i need to rant < 1427566684 356669 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEIR NAME IS WRONG < 1427566688 256884 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEIR STUFF SUCKS < 1427566704 795398 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY WROTE LIBUTF AND THEIR SED BREAKS UTF8 < 1427566706 717045 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1427566709 255171 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok /rant < 1427566846 820300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1427567753 608390 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: does suckless suck less? < 1427567754 62558 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ' these people's c is horrible' for ' binary', though. i rather enjoy sounding the opinions of other schemers, but if they used python or scheme or cl < 1427567771 402270 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fungot agrees with you, izabera < 1427567771 733615 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i suppose doom iii on geforce 4 under the hurd might be an example of upwards only continuations. < 1427567782 304368 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. I don't think so < 1427567832 703560 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: maybe (turning an old joke about MS around) they tried to write firmware for a vacuum cleaner... < 1427568708 521179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: you'll need to handle padding < 1427568922 76407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that? How does their sed breaks UTF-8? < 1427568968 669490 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1427569134 394373 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427569241 705612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: the suckless people rarely seem to bother being consistent in their philosophy... < 1427569271 696576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Unicode support thing seems like kind of an outlier to me. I have a feeling that if Plan 9 didn't have such a focus on it, they'd consider it unnecessary bloat :p < 1427569716 617566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to add Unicode support into sed and stuff that using regular expression, is easy to do, is make up a regex modifier flag to enable UTF-8 in which case when it read the byte 0xC0-0xFF then read however many next bytes 0x80-0xBF are considered as part of the same character. Nothing else needs to be done, and now you can even turn it off by just not specifying this flag. < 1427569739 529879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't try to add in everything else like character classes and so on < 1427569852 218407 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the meaning of [a-ä] is very different with and without the flag; you cannot encode the resulting unicode range conveniently in a 256 bit array. < 1427569990 356427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is true, but, such ranges are not likely what you would want anyways, whether or not the flag is set. < 1427570015 632079 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a DFA based regex engine around that uses arrays of size 256 for transitions.) < 1427570037 133837 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It would be ... interesting ... to try to make it work with utf-8) < 1427570094 797833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should instead use multiple ranges together if you really want to include both accented and unaccented letters in the same range like that. < 1427570200 638320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Ah, well I suppose it may be possible to compile UTF-8-based regular expressions into byte-based regular expressions, like I explained how to compile the dot, for example < 1427570222 911230 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1427570267 55447 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess negating ranges is the tricky bit. < 1427570946 668677 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1427570986 907889 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an issue a while ago where a sed script worked differently depending on the locale, due to character ranges < 1427571030 841196 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even happened when I used escapes. You'd think [\x30-\x3f] would unambiguously match the set of bytes 0x30..0x3f, but apparently it doesn't < 1427571040 126322 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :collating is the worst idea ever. < 1427571090 191326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like bolting unicode on in a kind of ad-hoc manner after the fact doesn't go to well :p < 1427571094 209528 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, [a-z] should not include B-Y and one of A or Z (I forgot which one), oh and äöüÄÖÜ while we're at it) < 1427571182 356861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :character ranges just seem like a fundamentally poor idea for unicode to me... < 1427571456 208389 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i had to go < 1427571458 400576 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ suckless sed 's/[à]/x/' <<< è < 1427571461 127840 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :x¨ < 1427571466 48796 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is... broken < 1427571470 7309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's stupid it shouldn't use Unicode such thing < 1427571491 289410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't use the locale < 1427571633 350928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In byte mode it should match all bytes in range, in UTF-8 mode it should match all sequences of bytes corresponding to the shortest UTF-8 encoding of the codepoints in the given range. < 1427571668 751132 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you mean with stupid? my example or their sed's behaviour? < 1427571690 85683 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it obviously should use unicode imho < 1427571710 970339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it shouldn't use Unicode, unless you set a flag to tell it to do so < 1427571732 641562 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? why does that make any sense? the flag should be always active < 1427571757 641751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it shouldn't, you should use single byte encodings by default (the program doesn't have to care which) < 1427571769 8516 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 2015 < 1427571789 872905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for zzo it isn't < 1427571802 272748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alternative is to provide a flag to turn it off instead < 1427571819 17635 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :your reasoning is maybe valid in a 1975 background < 1427571836 948772 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` LC_CTYPE=C sed 's/[à]/x/' <<< è < 1427571852 433855 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1427571863 213779 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed 's/[à]/x/' <<< è < 1427571865 994831 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​è < 1427571890 202683 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay gnu < 1427571920 814449 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent < 1427571922 554273 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` locale < 1427571923 388574 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ < 1427571938 165836 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :New zealand? whatever floats your boat < 1427571944 543872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it shouldn't use the locale, instead add a regex flag after the / to tell it to use UTF-8, if you don't specify then it doesn't, and either way doens't care about what language or anything like that < 1427571966 506451 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you happen to read the posix standard < 1427571988 542587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you have to add another shortcut that will change the locale to C when executing the command < 1427572037 587069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In UNIX systems I have access to I had to even change the locale to C in my login scripts, since they did it bad too < 1427572047 584333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically unicode did not exist in 1975 :p < 1427572093 120468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some parts of the locale system *do* seem to mess things up more than they help, but... that's unix for you < 1427572112 824816 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean [a-z] matching X ? < 1427572121 511582 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what [[:lower:]] is for < 1427572131 668523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think [a-z] is kind of unreasonable to start with. < 1427572144 321803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think [a-z] matching X is stupid unless case-insensitive mode is selected < 1427572157 836136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By default it shouldn't do that < 1427572159 48353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I do admit that I have no idea how to reliably match "ASCII characters a to z". what if you're grepping for some programming language's syntax?) < 1427572183 83189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find, e.g. locale-based ordering annoying in "ls". it messes up SHOUTYFILES coming first, iirc < 1427572202 111129 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_CTYPE=C [a-z] < 1427572221 249039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's the other thing < 1427572227 511059 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if [a-z[ in the C locale matches X yell at your vendor) < 1427572242 30530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly unix is a mess and a whole bunch of software is never going to make sure the locale is right for what it does in its scripts or whatever < 1427572254 383920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree it is stupid, I want to force the locale to be C which is why I set up the login script to force the locale to C < 1427572255 389076 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate almost everything about locales, but I do have LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (why the en_US?) set. < 1427572282 897264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I too, but I prefer to set it to C instead of en_US.UTF-8 < 1427572285 209879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do like localised software, and I do think all software should handle Unicode, no excuses.) < 1427572289 5561 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C/Unix locale system isn't *that* bad, but very few people understand it well. < 1427572294 635448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just think the Unix locale system is about as much of a mess as Unix itself.) < 1427572305 135711 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You'd like musl's locale approach. < 1427572319 798927 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unicode is the only supported charset". < 1427572328 632673 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I hate localised error messages, because I have to read them, rather than recognize them by pattern matching.) < 1427572329 882412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does musl even support locales to the point of letting you get error messages in your language from ls or whatever? < 1427572333 662551 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1427572340 301848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree; only documentation and GUIs should be localised. < 1427572360 432477 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody's bothered doing much localization, but there's locale infrastructure in place just fine. < 1427572361 848221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you disagree with almost everything I say >_> < 1427572364 616165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, not all software needs to handle Unicode; it depends on the software. < 1427572377 298781 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're wrong! < 1427572386 15347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most software probably shouldn't need to handle Unicode. < 1427572394 390303 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a couple omissions? < 1427572404 862574 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Oh *right*, it doesn't support localized collation. < 1427572440 933260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should all go back to the original Emacs-on-TECO ported to TOPS-20, imo, argument over < 1427572444 405854 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a-z] matching X if /i is given is reasonable to me < 1427572461 709521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice TECO even ran on TOPS-20! < 1427572466 308623 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :without /i any range should match exactly that range of bytes IMO < 1427572470 556833 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (not exactly the same thing as locales, but somewhat relevant to some localized users) musl's iconv doesn't support *extensions* to its charset support ATM. < 1427572495 306179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making the sort command to support user-defined collation sequences (independent of chaacter set) seem reasonable to me; most other programs don't need to, but there are some such as SQLite that you can add extensions for user-defined collation sequences already too. < 1427572501 407017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I apologise for any part i had in starting this argument -_- < 1427572510 415054 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1427572556 799067 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means you're going to have some issues if the legacy charset for your languange is not sufficiently common to have been implemented in iconv. < 1427572688 135415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite has no SQL commands to implement collation sequences, but you can write them in C and then load them using the LOAD_EXTENSION function in SQL. < 1427572722 171807 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, SOL if it's not: UTF-8, UCS2, UTF-16, UTF-32, ASCII, EUC-JP, Shift-JIS, GB18030, GBK, GB2312, Big5, EUC-KR, ISO-8859*, or one of the more popular Windows code pages. < 1427572777 979500 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about EBCDIC? < 1427572791 638914 :Nokaji!~tris@host-92-31-78-136.as13285.net PART :#esoteric < 1427572818 460679 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1427572818 937714 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IBM's proprietary encryption) < 1427572887 511860 :pikhq!~pikhq@2001:470:c47a:1:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fuck EBCDIC) < 1427572969 663292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :EBCDIC isn't very good; ASCII is better. < 1427573003 251255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use ASCII when possible though rather than any other characters sets; most are compatible with ASCII though, so won't be much problem < 1427573072 131418 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, from Wikipedia: Professor: "So the American government went to IBM to come up with an encryption standard, and they came up with—" Student: "EBCDIC!" < 1427573436 884113 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is using cookies on GitHub Pages actually -safe-? < 1427573460 790418 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :github.io is on the public suffix list < 1427573492 947258 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427573650 999016 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: "safe"? < 1427573686 36420 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, if I run a.github.io and use cookies for stuff, what chance does evil.github.io have of breaking stuff < 1427573785 71960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VCR I have has no zero-return function. You can reset the counter to zero, but doesn't have the mode to automatically fast-forward/rewind until reaching zero and then stop. < 1427573797 206528 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a matter of setting the cookie's domain and path, isn't it? < 1427573872 503833 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if evil overrides a cookie that a is using? < 1427573885 413042 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But public suffix list entry for github.io should block that I think < 1427573889 751305 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For browsers that use that list < 1427573896 175345 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck cookies for needing a list like that < 1427574012 491872 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: evil.github.io should not be able to set a cookie for a.github.io < 1427574013 868748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just mention on your webpage to add such an entry to the list < 1427574073 134672 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor should the browser send a cookie for a.github.io in requests to evil.github.io) < 1427574133 884476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing you can use the client's IP address for additional security measures < 1427574241 601808 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I'd assume that the purpose of the "public suffix list" is that websites cannot set cookies with such suffixes; i.e. evil.github.io cannot set a cookie for the domain .github.io, which would then be sent along with all requests to github.io websites. < 1427574252 583808 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right < 1427574255 209985 :boily!~alexandre@96.127.201.149 QUIT :Quit: MURAL CHICKEN < 1427574265 810220 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm unsure what you're worried about here. < 1427574321 860886 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-44c2a85f.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browsers that don't use the Public Suffix List? < 1427574343 122387 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no < 1427574346 858872 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cookies would still be for the wrong domains. < 1427574368 441511 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the cookies contain the domains, so the servers can just ignore such cookies < 1427574384 805646 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes. < 1427574386 985481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A user-defined public suffix list is probably a better idea, although you can still provide lists of default values too < 1427574396 224357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to guess what the public suffix list is for: https://publicsuffix.org/ < 1427574400 575752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says right there < 1427574411 232847 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the goal of the public suffix list is to prevent a DOS attack and possibly information leakage where a website would make your browser send a dozen large cookies to every site with a *.com domain < 1427574415 202240 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1427574443 600389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could never set cookies for *.com, anyway < 1427574463 554347 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Avoid privacy-damaging "supercookies" being set for high-level domain name suffixes " is what I was thinking about < 1427574468 875201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1427574494 10854 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1427574499 460757 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm not sure what exactly I wrote that you think is wrong. < 1427574613 147501 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that I didn't consider the DoS angle of attack.) < 1427574674 546210 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: sorry, nothing, it's fine < 1427574678 237773 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wrote the right thing < 1427574695 688627 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427574801 777118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1427574815 990283 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-50-112-124-255.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427576670 605531 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427576709 198694 :Albert_!6d62884b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.98.136.75 JOIN :#esoteric < 1427577117 889672 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1427577510 357374 :Albert_!6d62884b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.98.136.75 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1427577769 453023 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1427578097 987283 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1427578098 253677 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1427578098 698857 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1427578099 306455 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1427578099 376395 :ineiros_!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1427578099 504003 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1427578101 370001 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1427578110 322159 :mitchs!~canissimi@unaffiliated/canissimia JOIN :#esoteric < 1427578112 334505 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1427578112 900405 :ineiros!~itniemin@dsl-hkibrasgw1-58c3fe-184.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1427578131 887971 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1427578132 91775 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-012.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427578436 267956 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-116-33.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1427578692 549970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have Family Channel on your television? < 1427578756 368699 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1427578760 388924 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh ... how do I quote an @foo on github so it doesn't get treated as an @mention thing, but gets displayed as ordinary text? < 1427578780 309891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-84-223.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1427578793 829773 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@foo` disables the @mention but adds some markup... < 1427578794 811120 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: @foo`: not found < 1427579015 209541 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries #github... sorry. < 1427579018 355305 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Does \@foo not do that? < 1427579047 711416 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melvar: unfortunately, no. The \ is displayed, and the @foo is treated as before. < 1427579065 11246 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-062-106-110.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is quite broken. < 1427579085 433534 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1427579159 303485 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I keep running into this because @ is lambdabot's command prefix. Using `` for it is okay-ish, but not what I want.) < 1427579655 674010 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1427580039 645412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Maybe @⁢foo? < 1427580849 635379 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: adu < 1427580901 953169 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-115-204.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1427581045 25263 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4C6F4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427581291 440883 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, #github is dead. < 1427583136 18096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1427583635 650934 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1427583712 513274 :CADD!~CADD@12.227.104.109 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427585272 280523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily fungot: I wouldn't mind cats or dogs or diamondies pouring down. as long as it isn't any more snow. <-- i suspect diamondies would be even harder on the car drivers. btw oslo was also unexpectedly hit by snow yesterday, complete chaos at the traditional start of easter vacation week. < 1427585272 318145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1427585272 400799 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: slime for scheme48: http://paste.lisp.org/ list < 1427585274 222518 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-124.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1427585296 349079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i already have more slime in my life than i need, thank you very much. < 1427585296 473398 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it wasn't a dream). < 1427585312 705191 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-33-124.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1427585312 705839 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1427585329 147031 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1427585387 152434 :scott!uid25790@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fnsnawfeineqwcwo JOIN :#esoteric < 1427585409 217898 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1427585515 634519 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: eww < 1427585515 741885 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no not fnord :p.) appears to be writing about the implementation. < 1427585544 128574 :yorick!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1427585544 434679 :yorick!~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Changing host < 1427585544 480030 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1427585728 194711 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1427586395 954970 :adu!~ajr@rrcs-65-34-31-2.se.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: adu < 1427586474 80922 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: putting an ⁠ after the @ "works". < 1427586484 728974 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode @⁠foo < 1427586487 557454 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0040 COMMERCIAL AT] [U+2060 WORD JOINER] [U+0066 LATIN SMALL LETTER F] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] < 1427586505 829850 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :But may confuse people wanting to cut&paste. Oh well. < 1427586533 176126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hey, i also use en_us.utf-8 for essentially the same reason. < 1427586556 405417 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use en_GB.UTF-8 because why not