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11:56:15 b_jonas_: no, i mean 11:56:20 -!- b_jonas_ has changed nick to b_jonas. 11:58:30 fungot is back? 11:58:30 mroman: does the small print is meant to make liftm f x a _function_. you can't. 11:59:03 ^help 11:59:03 ^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool 12:17:49 -!- Tritonio has joined. 12:24:30 -!- Tod-Autojoined has changed nick to TodPunk. 12:44:36 -!- int-e_ has changed nick to int-e. 12:51:18 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 13:09:56 what was that other language beside rust? 13:15:37 nvm i'll learn Rust next. 13:23:19 -!- vodkode has joined. 13:30:37 -!- ^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:31:02 -!- ^v has joined. 13:37:37 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:46:08 mroman: Nim 13:46:10 ? 13:46:39 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 13:51:01 hm. 13:51:02 no. 13:52:34 fungot, can you tell me about the conditional branch prediction and branch target prediction in modern CPUs? 13:52:35 b_jonas: does formal semantics really matter? 13:53:01 fungot: yes, it certainly does in this channel, for we want to abuse it 13:53:01 b_jonas: to make it reality =d can you write anywhere?' 13:53:04 hmm, I could easily interpret that line as being from someone other than fungot 13:53:04 ais523: what is scan and are they the same? http://list.cs.brown.edu/ pipermail/ gambit-list/ 2006-january/ 000540.html how'd you go about implementing an object system 13:53:20 ais523: well, he does steal lines of others 13:53:22 b_jonas: do you consider Pure BF an abuse of formal semantics? 13:53:52 ais523: um, dunno 13:54:54 oh, I know what I wanted to ask you 14:01:28 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:20:26 -!- Tritonio has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:28:41 -!- ais523 has quit. 14:28:57 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 14:33:43 -!- vodkode has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 14:34:18 -!- ski_ has changed nick to ski. 14:36:10 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 14:37:05 [wiki] [[Secretary]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42207&oldid=40984 * Vriskanon * (+8) Fixed Wingpad 14:47:28 [wiki] [[Language list]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42208&oldid=42186 * Vriskanon * (+11) /* Non-alphabetic */ Added TillDeath 14:49:11 [wiki] [[Hashes]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42209&oldid=39481 * Vriskanon * (+12) Fixed Name 14:50:28 [wiki] [[Huh?]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42210&oldid=32607 * Vriskanon * (+0) Fixed Name 14:50:52 [wiki] [[Huh?]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42211&oldid=42210 * Vriskanon * (-2) 14:52:08 [wiki] [[Huh?++]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42212&oldid=38270 * Vriskanon * (-7) Fixed more names. 14:55:40 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 15:01:51 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 15:18:32 fungot: How you been? 15:18:32 mroman: i just got up for a while before i can get away with optimizing whole programs to nothing. 15:19:15 fungot: to nothing? 15:19:15 mroman: it can generate fortran code in any language other than english? dictionary doesn't know it! bwhaha! i'm just too fnord about it when scheme48 1.0 is in much more subtle. 15:19:35 fungot: I'm so in subtle myself. 15:19:35 mroman: a preprocessor for logic programming in haskell 15:20:05 fungot: You should learn prolog. 15:20:06 mroman: i'm workin' on it and i rewrite it for you? it tends to restart itself, and i'd like it 15:20:22 Gee thanks. But you don't need to rewrite Prolog just for me <3 15:28:08 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:37:49 -!- SopaXorzTaker has joined. 15:48:02 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 15:48:53 -!- vodkode has joined. 15:55:29 [wiki] [[Beatnik]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=42213&oldid=30345 * Marinus * (-9) fixed broken link 16:08:48 -!- cpressey has joined. 16:10:58 @oerjan 16:10:59 Unknown command, try @list 16:11:19 that's too bad, there should really be an oerjan command 16:15:59 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:45:19 -!- bb010g has joined. 17:04:15 -!- ais523 has joined. 17:06:28 what's the incantation to have ls show the size of a directory properly 17:07:11 depends on what you mean by "properly" 17:07:27 I mean the total size of all files inside it, plus it 17:07:55 ls can't do that because the information isn't stored anywhere, it has to be calculated and that's really timeconsuming 17:08:00 the program you probably want is called du 17:08:14 god damn it, windows shows that information 17:08:22 aaaaa 17:08:38 does du also ahow size of fiels 17:08:42 orin: Windows shows it in the GUI but takes a while to calculate it; I don't think dir (the equivalent of ls) shows it 17:08:53 you can use "du -a" to show size of files too 17:09:06 it's scary what crazy dangerous and complicated hooks some people in informatics will try to jump through for 20% performance increases 17:09:10 Windows shows it growing in the UI, with no indication of how far it's gotten yet, which is bad UX imo 17:09:13 Ubuntu does this too 17:09:22 also, you might want to use "--apparent-size" if you care about the size of the files themselves, rather than the amount of disk they use u 17:09:24 *up 17:09:27 because copying Windows is always a great idea 17:09:33 or "-h" or "--si" to get the answer in sensible units 17:09:40 cpressey: it's probably the lazy impl 17:11:13 so the incantation is "du -sh --apparent-size". 17:11:42 depending on what it is you're trying to calculate, perhaps 17:11:51 it has options because people don't always use it for the same purpose 17:11:57 in particular, when I want to know the total size of a directory 17:12:04 it's normally because I want to know how much disk space it costs me 17:12:08 so I leave out --apparent-size 17:12:13 (I think "du" stands for "disk usage") 17:12:23 isn't THAT the apparent size? 17:12:30 yes, I usually say either du -a or du -s 17:12:37 sometimes with a sort after 17:13:43 orin: no, apparent size is the number of bytes you'd get if you read every byte in the file 17:13:54 which could be less than the size on disk due to metadata, padding, and the like 17:14:00 or more because the file is stored in a compressed format 17:14:18 Or sparsely. 17:14:34 that's a special case of a compressed format, IMO 17:14:45 Conceded. 17:15:04 It might be the most common case for this purpose though. 17:15:09 ais523: i ... see. ok, so the incantation to see how much free space I need on a card to put my music on it, is du -s ~/music 17:15:44 silly hashtable impl: a sparse file where addresses in your file correspond to possible keys directly 17:16:11 orin: yep, you probably want to add --si to that (rather than -h) because people size storage devices in powers of 10 rather than powers of 2 17:16:26 ais523: I've seen that done on memory with hashconsing - the address of the object is its hash value 17:16:50 which is, y'know, ... interesting 17:17:10 cpressey: how can that work? 17:17:14 presumably a lot of mmap 17:17:53 plus some trick to place your stack somewhere your hashtable won't touch 17:17:57 two identical objects can have different addresses 17:18:08 orin: not if you hashcons them :) 17:18:10 orin: not in this case! 17:18:18 cpressey: I assume all objects have to be immutable 17:18:32 ais523: my memory of it is fuzzy but I assume so too 17:18:34 and I'm not sure how you do deallocation; refcounting? 17:19:16 oh, so we are replacing addresses with hashes, not replacing hashs with addresses 17:19:28 I think it was on a 680x0 architecture fwiw. no mmap. stack is just... tucked away somewhere nice 17:19:32 orin: right 17:20:03 cpressey: mmap and friends would be helpful here because it lets your address space be larger than your physical memory 17:20:36 yes, that would remove that limitation 17:22:58 hmm... if it isn't immutable, then change to one sub-object changes the hashes of every object that points to it .: it has to be immutable 17:25:42 It also means that "does the object X exist" is a reasonable question. In C for example you'd have to iterate through memory, with hashconsig you can just use that hash 17:30:57 it is... interesting. i might try to dig up the paper (which included a bunch of stuff about trees vs hash tables for some reason) 17:31:55 teach kids to code so they can build things with love and change the world 17:32:12 (unrelated) 17:32:38 orin: there are two problems with that question 17:32:42 one is hash collisions 17:33:00 the other is, in order to be able to ask the question, you need the object in the first place and thus the object definitely does exist 17:33:22 (I found both of these problems when writing my Perl memory profiler, which had a "does this object exist" as one of its side functionalities) 17:33:42 ais523: not if the question is asked from a degug envionment? 17:33:56 orin: right, or if you're asking the question of the hash rather than of the object 17:34:04 Devel::TrackAllocations' testsuite uses it 17:43:58 -!- quintopi1 has changed nick to quintopia. 17:44:26 -!- quintopia has quit (Changing host). 17:44:26 -!- quintopia has joined. 18:04:32 -!- GeekDude has joined. 18:07:09 -!- cpressey has quit (Quit: leaving). 18:21:15 -!- yukko has left. 18:25:20 -!- nycs has joined. 18:27:44 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 18:38:23 -!- nycs has changed nick to `^_^v. 18:48:41 -!- J_Arcane has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91-rdmsoft [XULRunner 32.0.3/20140923175406]). 18:49:18 -!- J_Arcane has joined. 19:00:26 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:08:05 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 19:29:28 -!- bb010g has joined. 19:34:25 -!- vodkode has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:54:38 -!- Tritonio has joined. 19:59:35 -!- Guest9353 has changed nick to Gregor. 20:04:03 -!- Patashu has joined. 20:14:01 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 20:14:28 -!- Lymia has joined. 20:15:50 -!- `^_^v has joined. 20:24:19 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 20:35:16 -!- callforjudgement has joined. 20:35:20 -!- ais523 has quit (Disconnected by services). 20:35:22 -!- callforjudgement has changed nick to ais523. 21:01:48 17:17:20 ais523: i ... see. ok, so the incantation to see how much free space I need on a card to put my music on it, is du -s ~/music 21:01:53 assuming it's using the same filesystem 21:01:57 also ignoring things like deduplication etc. 21:02:23 it's one of these apparently simple questions, where the answer is complex 21:07:56 elliott: that gives a good guess, yes 21:42:28 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 22:04:00 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:13:57 -!- boily has joined. 22:14:11 bhoily 22:15:25 bonsœrjan! 22:17:52 i think i may have drifted out of overlap with cpressey's irc time again 22:19:04 yes? which means? 22:19:43 that his attempt to catch me failed 22:20:51 oh. you were trying to meet? 22:21:34 well he was, it seems 22:21:49 although he didn't seem to say why 22:22:05 something something apocalypse something fungot something. 22:22:05 boily: fizzie you got fnord?!? 22:22:18 fungot: fizzie has fnord. 22:22:18 boily: what is lambda? why isn't ( x) ( 1+ y)) please, will someone explain to me how exactly i'm going to 22:22:21 unless he _really_ wanted to use lambdabot's @oerjan command, i guess that's a remote possibility. 22:22:25 the title is showing as RIP JiAA MatouA!ek for me? 22:22:46 ais523: ping 22:22:56 orin: there are some accents 22:22:56 orin: J i r-hacek i-acute M a t o u s-hacek e k. 22:23:10 Jiří Matoušek 22:23:27 -!- nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 22:23:28 if that _also_ shows up broken, you need to fix your unicode. 22:23:29 orin: you should try to set your irc client to use utf-8 encoding 22:23:48 I am seeig J i Ao A~ Matou Ao upsidedown ! 22:23:58 sadly IRC doesn't have a single definite encoding, people have been known to use various single-byte national encodings on different channels just a few years ago 22:24:11 these days they seem to have converged to utf-8, at least in the parts of irc I frequent 22:24:24 orin: heed the b_jonasadvice. utf8ify your client. 22:24:35 utf-8 is definitely the recommended encoding for this channel. 22:24:36 boily: you forgot the space 22:24:43 ooh, now it's working 22:24:49 great 22:24:52 b_jonas: no I didn't :P 22:25:05 (word conflagration is a fun pastime!) 22:25:17 @oerjan what does @oerjan do? 22:25:17 Unknown command, try @list 22:25:20 possibly with fallback to something latin-1'y 22:25:32 (also, his name isn't “Jiři Matoušek” despite that I wrote that a few times by mistake) 22:25:35 boily: something evil, i assume 22:26:03 pesky long vowels 22:26:21 oerjan: makes sense. 22:26:29 pesky ř. 22:27:15 yes that is pesky 22:27:47 single-language sound. well, i'm not entirely sure whether slovakian also has it. 22:27:51 -!- nisstyre has joined. 22:28:44 oerjan: yes, to an ignorant foreigner like me the “ř” is just “r” with funny spelling, not a separate sound 22:30:16 `unidecode Ẩ 22:30:18 ​[U+1EA8 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX AND HOOK ABOVE] 22:31:03 hm it exists in some dialects of other languages, including slovak, but the wikipedia page only list czech as having it generally 22:32:03 ꜳꜳꜳrgh! 22:32:20 oerjan: exists as in distinct from r, or as an allophone? 22:32:22 b_jonas: hm hungarians shouldn't be that ignorant hth 22:33:11 b_jonas: well in the polish and silesian entries in the table it's listed as contrasting. 22:33:40 ok 22:33:52 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_trill#Occurrence_2 22:35:13 Pharo 4 beta was recently released 22:35:26 * Sgeo_ will probably play with the final version when it comes out 22:35:50 int-e: int-hello! vocalizing your suffering in foreign languages? 22:36:15 fungot: You talking to me? 22:36:15 fizzie: but you can do about it? i thought since it was originally compiled with japanese perhaps that was his point... it's a bit cheap, relative to 22:38:22 `unidecode ꜳꜳꜳ 22:38:24 ​[U+A733 LATIN SMALL LETTER AA] [U+A733 LATIN SMALL LETTER AA] [U+A733 LATIN SMALL LETTER AA] 22:38:32 ais523: ping ← pong 22:40:36 boily: just questioning the sanity of unicode. 22:41:29 (Though there may not be anything there to question ;-) ) 22:42:45 I am sane! 22:44:16 ais523: you asked last time about the sound “gy” represents in Hungarian 22:44:20 yes 22:45:12 * Sgeo_ questions the sanity of cookies 22:45:56 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:45:58 ais523: one thing that might help is that even in English, a minority of people pronounce “new” and “during” with “ny” and “gy” sounds. this is because those words originally have a [j] sound after the consonant, and “j” has a place of articulation (tongue position) similar to “ny” and “gy” 22:46:30 so the “n” and “d” changes, just like how even in English “n” usually changes to the “ng” sound before a “g” or to an “m” sound before a “b”. 22:46:38 hmm, how close is English "j" to Hungarian "dgy" 22:46:49 (most people just pronounce those words with “n” and “d” though.) 22:47:02 ais523: those are the same 22:47:07 right 22:47:12 no wait 22:47:24 English “j” is the same as Hungarian “dzs” 22:47:27 different 22:47:28 oh right, yes 22:47:30 like in your name 22:47:33 what? 22:47:36 no, not in my name 22:47:38 the "zs" I mean 22:47:41 ah 22:47:42 you don't have a "d" 22:47:46 yes 22:47:49 I forgot "zs" was even a letter 22:48:02 “zs” is a letter even in Englihs, it occurs in “measure” most famously 22:48:03 -!- bb010g has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 22:48:08 it's the voiced pair of “sh” 22:48:23 -!- luis1 has joined. 22:49:04 hola 22:49:59 -!- luis1 has left. 22:50:17 … 22:53:31 b_jonas, you mean it's a phoneme in english 22:53:58 english doesn't use 'zs' to represent that sound 22:56:13 I'm not sure English has a name for it at all 22:56:19 although I agree that it is in the middle of the word "measure" 22:56:36 I guess "zsh" is the closest I can get using normal English spelling 23:07:11 -!- olsner_ has changed nick to olsner. 23:09:55 hmm, are you still on the sound of hungarian dgy? ISTR that's where I left you half a week ago 23:11:16 I don't think zsh gets us much further than bash does 23:11:21 fungot: ISTR? 23:11:22 boily: seems a popular pastime)) 23:11:31 "I seem to remember" 23:11:41 "seems a popular pastime to leave you there half a week ago" 23:11:44 oh. 23:11:48 fungot: you seem to have forgotten... 23:11:48 int-e: fnord. went to the party), better healthcare, better everything." " ok, do _you_ grok dependent types are " low level" syntax case. 23:12:15 fungot: #$%*($%) )%($* 384950 %($*#(), so you may have new words to say. 23:12:15 boily: conditions need not be duplicated at the beginning of the parameter names. at least it didn't earlier. ;-p 23:12:42 does fizzie retrain the irc model now? 23:12:52 afair it's frozen in time 23:13:36 there should be a shell called cash 23:13:54 it should be proprietary 23:15:11 -!- dianne has quit (Quit: byeannes). 23:15:21 boily: ISTR ISTR meaning "ISTR" 23:15:35 (hth) 23:16:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:16:55 . o O ( MLoM - modulo loss of memory ) 23:17:03 International Society of Technical Redactors 23:18:03 IICF 23:18:15 Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn 23:22:12 I imitate chatting fungots. 23:22:12 int-e: 1l 2l adjust axo bch bf8,16,32,64 funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple malbolge pbrain sceql udage01 unlambda 23:22:35 As used: "I think we should implement the new accounting software in MUMPS, IICF" 23:22:42 wait, why did it respond with a language list... 23:23:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 23:24:12 ISTR that ISTR has several meanings. 23:25:08 doesnt it basically always start "I seem to" 23:25:15 the fourth word can vary 23:25:41 A dictionary suggested "It Stands To Reason". 23:26:57 I disagree with that dictionary 23:27:12 what does that mean? 23:28:00 ISTR hearing "stands to reason" in a pratchett book. 23:28:46 But I don't know what it's actualy supposed to mean 23:28:55 "It Stands To Reason That" is more or less equivalent to "In My Opinion" 23:29:11 ah 23:29:55 (Though conceivably you could use it for opinions not your own. "One Might Argue That" is perhaps closer.) 23:30:38 one can argue literally anything, so that's pretty meaningless 23:30:42 I thought "it stands to reason" sort-of implies "a sufficiently intelligent person could deduce that" 23:31:12 Yeah, note the implied insult of your intelligence if you happen to disagree. 23:31:25 I guess... s/insult of/insult to/ 23:32:48 int-e: yep, I think that's part of it 23:49:30 I thought it was "I seem to recall" (which is not very different to 'remember', though) 23:51:17 That's quite possible, I tend to use synonyms interchangeably 23:52:49 Hmm, is there a special term for words that have an overlap in meaning, so they can be synonymous in some contexts but not in others? 23:53:55 not sure 23:54:08 etymologically "synonym" should be that, I guess (with two words that /always/ mean the same thing "isonyms") 23:55:48 Thanks. "Words can be synonymous when meant in certain senses, even if they are not synonymous in all of their senses."